>>35872732
Hahahaha time for WIZARDING!
On a completely sidenote,QM did you check out REQM's quest i linked you last time?

>>35872732
Updated character sheets

openoffice:https://www.dropbox.com/s/136cm3u5qyaa45l/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.6.ods?dl=0

excel:https://www.dropbox.com/s/be277dpxrdzv9rm/Reborn%20Character%20Sheets%20v1.6.xls?dl=0

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>>35872732
Athena ~ Our baby sister
Danren ~Our godfather
Cedric Lightbringer ~ Our cool dad
Lunda Lightbringer ~ Our cool beauty-type, scholarly mom.
Baldric Lightbringer ~ Our grandfather. He hasn't made a personal appearance yet, but his influence has a vast influence in the world around us.
Zoe & Stella ~ the latest additions to our family, we bought/rescue them in Opal city, and dad adopted them as part of our family. A lion and wolf beastgirls, respectively.
Ellizabeth (Elli) ~ Our house's nice, cheerful, busty vanilla elf maid
Kalkah ~ A pretty caramel elf slave fruit salesgirl wandering about on Albion's market district. She gives us discounts whenever we want her apples, oranges or melons.
Grummir ~ The boss of our first adventuring party, Grummir has since semi retired to dedicate himself full time to crafting with the mountains of loot he stored during his adventuring career
Miiyau ~ A golden fluffed catgirl and Grummir's companion, Miiyau seems happy to go along with our shenannigans and is ready to help us bury the bodies, should we ever need it.
Asmund ~ Vampire prince of Sbastia, the country neighboring Eopolis. Right now he's an unknown quality.

<-- latest pdf. The ever updating pdf with our home cooked system

TKOAND <-- bit of an asshole, also described as "barely coherent at the best of times" by anons before

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>>35872754
no, i was busy updating the pdf.

The reason Virtuosso has no passive is because I don't know what would be a good passive for it. It happens with more than just that one job

>>35872774
thanks

>>35872754
Patch Report

Minor changes to Duelist, changed wordings here and there

Dagon's Force ~ Made it clear that you can use less than your max MP with it, made it so you cant use die for power with it anymore. You have to admit it was too much damage that way.

Using Dragon's Force no longer prevents you from replenishing MP afterwards

Reworded Arcane Chronoshift a little. Hopefully made it better

Rather confident on having made wind blade and wind road much better. Now wind blade strikes all enemies in a 20" line, and you can extrend it by +10" each time you take it again.

Wind Roar makes your lines into cones. Worried about Justicars, now.

Started changing the format of job entries from 2 columns to one. Not really going to call it a 2.1 when that's done since its just a looks update rather than mechanics.

Updated Archbishop a little, but dont get too comfy because I will probably recreate both bishop and archbishop to make them more related to eachother

Going to shower and brb while everyone else shows up

>>35872954
In regards to your modified dragon force and die for power, this is what I see us doing.

turn 1:Use 1mp metal+1mp wood+remaining mp dragonforce+blast+cascade+chain for 17964 overlapping area damage that bounces.

turn 2:Use 600hp to cast 6x hybrid+3x magic bullet+blast+cascade+chain for 5730 overlapping area damage that bounces, sword set to MP drain

turn 3: repeat turn 1

Continue the pattern until you take like 5000 hp damage and then use a modified turn 2 with the sword set to HP drain.

All that damage will be halved against anyone significant because Wis scaling just utterly destroys Int scaling, so 8982 and 2865 damage respectively.

>>35872954
>Updated Archbishop a little, but dont get too comfy because I will probably recreate both bishop and archbishop to make them more related to eachother


Good, that 2as one of the ones that kinda jumped out at me when I was reviewing the t3 classes.

The singer/dancer/bard line also ahould have aome work I think. Maybe introduce a villager musician line for 3 classes, tops out at bard and a t3 bard/dancer/muscian merges into a top performer class. Instead of having 4 layera of singer going to bard.

so what do think we should do about Asmund

i think caution when dealing with him; he could be up to some bullshit with spiders besides using mana to lessen his times to feed

>>35873037
Basically, with the way you made die for power, there is no reason for us to ever use MP to cast damage spells unless it's a dragon force.

>>35873077

Find a way to break the mana drain portion for our friends, then interact normally.

I think the vampire portion set off loud warning bells in people however.

>>35873294
Him setting up a massive MP drain net without people's knowledge or consent isn't exactly endearing him to us either.

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>>35873044
>The singer/dancer/bard line also ahould have aome work I think. Maybe introduce a villager musician line for 3 classes, tops out at bard and a t3 bard/dancer/muscian merges into a top performer class. Instead of having 4 layera of singer going to bard.
I blame my english, but didint quite get that, could you reword it please?

>>35873077
OoC, Ive been using Asmund in my games for almost two decades. His role is always up to the players. She can be a recurring mid-boss, a vegeta, or a friend. Its really up to you guys

>>35873173
uhmm will have to re read it then, i guess

You guys liked the 2.0 cover image? do you prefer the slavegirl?

Anyway, let's continue...

***
Mako is playing with a deep look of concentration as she tries to ignore her shadows, who try to cheer her on, by softly chanting "princess, go! you can do it, princess, go!".

After a bit, it's obvious they are actually trying to cheer her, rather than making fun of her.

Well, she's a smart girl, but she's still a nine years old, so you don't really have much trouble leading her into traps here and there.

After a while, the young count wanders over.

"Oh, young Beowulf, was it?" ~he greets you politely~ "I have just arrived to this academy, thus I am your junior. Please take care of me"
"Good evening, count. Uhmm... about my name..."
"I know, but I think everyone has the right to go by whatever name they so prefer, don't you? Excuse me for interrupting your game of... chess, was it? interesting game"

Mako nods politely towards the count, and the count bows deeply, then walks away.

1/?

>>35873326
>nine years old
She had her birthday already?

>>35873326
if we can decied then i want him to be the spy friend the kind of friend who would sell information about us but ultimately helpful in the long run

like zevern from dragon age origins

>>35873044
I did like the idea of basically swapping savior and archbishop's movesets. Makes the bishop line the massive healing one, and the prophet line the mass summoning one.

>>35873408
Healing spells have the problem that they're incredibly weak relative to our HP.

It would take a 1:40 mana:heal ratio to get us a 10% heal from mana. That's nuts.

>>35873326
>>The singer/dancer/bard line also ahould have aome work I think. Maybe introduce a villager musician line for 3 classes, tops out at bard and a t3 bard/dancer/muscian merges into a top performer class. Instead of having 4 layera of singer going to bard.
>I blame my english, but didint quite get that, could you reword it please?

I blame typing on a phone for making it into hash.

Shorten the singer line into 3 tiers of jobs. Singer/idol/diva.

Keep the current dancer line, or introduce a tier tier 3 dancer that needs 2 of the tier 2 to hit level 10.

Introduce a musician line off the villager class. This is a 3 tier line that uses instruments.

Finalize it with Virtuoso, a tier 4 job that needs the final class from all 3 lines.

>>35873374
yes, but remember that in this world we only celebrate 5/10/15 years old

***

After teasing Mako for a bit but letting her win as much as she loses, her shadows take her away for a nap, with Ami carrying her on her back while Mai thanks you for playing with her.

"No, no. I love Mako a lot, so I like playing with her?"
"Oh, the young lord does? that's good" ~she smiles and bows, then leaves with Ami

A little later, you stop by Okaba's lab. Since he wasn't at the chess club, this was a pretty safe bet. And indeed, there he is, looking at the straw spider through several different crystal shades.

The lion beastman that always opens the door wasn't there this time, so instead Aura invites us in.

"Ah, Eldric, how are you doing?" ~she says with a smile as she holds the door open for you
"Fine, thank you."
"Please excuse me"

Going in, you greet Okaba, who greets you back and takes his shades off to talk with you

"Well, rather than going after vermin, it seems to have strong predatory instincts. It simply goes after any living tthing smaller than itself"
"And since it's palm-sized..."
"Right. It pretty much only goes after vermin. It also seems to syphon off a tiny bit of mana from the surrounding area. We are talking about 3MP a day, but I'm not sure on where it is going." ~Okaba looks at it and places it inside a crystal cage~ "Could I keep it for a bit longer? It seems pretty harmless, but I am curious about that mana shyphoning effect"
"Sure, but... I think I have a hunch on where the mana is going."

2/?

>>35873547
So if the spider is siphoning mana rather than making accessible the mana pools of nearby people, that means the count has a way to store incredibly large amounts of mana.

That would be quite useful if we could get our hands on it.

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>>35873460
eh, thats because we have so much hp. rather than healing being weak, i think

>>35873515
I have no idea what effects to give to musician. Dancer has debuffs and singer has buffs, and bard has both.

I thought about it, but I dont really know.

***
"Well, we can't work on hunches. Let's go slowly and figure out how it does what it does, first."
"Alright."

Lyann meanwhile is happily talking with Aura, the girls exchanging small books while they both blush brightly and go "kyaa~!"

Well, it looks like they're having fun.

As you head home with mom, Zoe, Stella and Lyann, your mom steers everyone towards the market to buy some underwear for the girls.

That is fun on its own, somehow.

"M-mom...?" ~says Zoe timidly
"Yes?"
"Can I pay today?"
"Sure?"
"Can I buy you clothes, too?"
~Mom cmiles and pats Zoe's head~ "Sure, honey."

She probably imagines Zoe made some money helping you with the soaps. Of course, she didin't know you took your lion sister to a dungeon.

Well, it's fun to see mom's reaction. She seems to think about it, and puts down the cheap stuff she had picked up, then selects something a little bit better.

It could be taken badly, but mom has a great figure. She's really pretty.

Of course, the other girls jump on the wagon, and leech off Zoe, who doesn't really knows how to say "no" to them.

That may end up being a problem. The truth is, all three of them are too naive, way too naive! the boys at the college look at them with eyes that make you feel uncomfortable.

That's rather nice, actually. It makes you worried, more than jealous. They really are your sisters, uh? Well... it also makes you a little jealous when Lyann is involved, but since she has to stay close to you...

Yeah, it is a little bad, but the leash effect is being useful in unexpected ways.

3/?

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>>35873764

Anyway... this world's underwear is quite boring. It's all grandma-type of bodices... it looks more like large pajamas than anything else.

The most playful ones look like a combo of shirt and puffy short pants. Someday, we really need to introduce more exciting clothes into this world.

Speaking of which, master Tazar, that fabulous heretic of a dwarven armorer (tailor?) said he was going to move to Albion, didin't he? Mayhaps we could look him up.

Well, as you are heading home with everyone, you spot Aur-- no, wait... you thought it was Aura when looking at her from behind, but when you approach to her and look at her from a side... how to put it kindly...

~~~flat~~~~

It's not BAD. It's... uhmm... well, certainly, there is that type, too, the type of "big brothers" that prefer DFC, isin't there?

She's also wearing much flashier clothes. A set of wizard-like robes, with twin tails, and high heel boots that go up to mig thigh.

"Good evening!" ~she gives you a large smile~ "Would you like to buy a Pest Killer? just 1s. It will need a day to get to know your home, but afterwards it will keep it clean of mice and other vermin! It even hunts fleas anf thicks, it's great of you have pets or childre-- oh it's just a kid. Hi there kiddo, are you with your parents?"

She leans over with a good natured smile.

...she's really flat, uh?

* Buy her a straw spider
* Inquire about her
* Other

>>35873927
* Inquire about her

>>35873927
>* Inquire about her

Time to utilize that 400 cha and 200 app

>>35873927
>* Inquire about her
>*"You work for the count?"

soo i was thinking lets get into a magic duel at the school to scare the guys at the school from trying anything funny to the girls

>>35874061
>magic duel
Call it that, then let them burn out all their mp on us and beat them senseless with fists. While shirtless.

Cause seriously, cadenero is crazy broken with 1360 wis.

>>35874091
We muscle wizard? Im totally okay with that.

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>>35874091
Keikaku doori?.Keikaku doori!

>>35874126
>...but, you didn't use any magic
>I CAST FIST

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>>35874046
>>35874009
>>35873973

"Ah, hello. This one is Dawn, the count's slave and assistant. Are you an acquaintance? This one can give you a spider as a gift, then."
"Eldric."
"Well, you're a very cute kid. Are your dad and mom around? are you lost?"

She crouches down so she's eye to eye with us. Well, that's just common sense when you deal with lost children, so they don't feel scared by someone staring down at them.

"No, my mom's right there... do you make these?"
"Yup! This one's actually very capable, you know? They're really handy around the house. In a couple of months, this one may even start selling broom dogs!" ~she expects you to go "Oooh" for a couple of moments, then explains~ "Ah, those are similar, but they are shaped like one of those fluffy small dogs, so they keep your house clean for you, you know?"
~Eldric shakes his head~ "Elli does that already."
"Oh? Elli is your big sister?"
"No, Elli is our house's elf maid"
"Ooooh that sounds nice. Well, this one has to keep selling her spiders, alright?"
"Sure, thanks"


This [Exceptional][Demon Spider Token] is... pink. You get a strong girl vibe out of it. Of course constructs are generless, but... you still get a girl vibe out of it.

"Eldric, who's that?" ~your mom asks you when you go back to her side
"I thought it was Aura"

You head back home.

*Throw the spider token into a trash can along the way
*Keep it

>>35874255
>*Keep it

>>35874255
>*Throw the spider token into a trash can along the way
We're going to be nuking this guy's system anyway, why make things harder for ourselves?

>>35874255
>*Keep it and give it to Okaba to examine

>>35874255
*Throw the spider token into a trash can along the way

>>35874255
>Keep it and give it to Okaba

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>>35874290
>>35874298
>>35874303

**A few days later**

"Well, I understand how it works, how it syphons mana, but I can't figure out where it is sending that mana"
"Is it dangerous?"
"Not really. It's a very small amount. Oh, that pink one you brought over... can you sell it to me? Aura took a liking to it"
"Keep it"
"You sure?"
"Of course"
"Well, here's the other one."

He gives you back the spider token the count gave you,

Nothing in particular has happened in at the school. The count ended up joining the Alchemy club, so you hardly ever come across him nowadays.

You have seen Dawn going around campus a few times. Unlike Aura, she is an actual flirt, and you often see her talking to the older boys and girls in a very intimate attitude.

That evening...

*Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop
*Practice magic at home
*Go talk with your uncle about the count
*Other

>>35874461
>Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop

I can almost smell a plot hook

>>35874461
>*Go talk with your uncle about the count

>>35874461
>*Go talk with your uncle about the count
more info

>>35874461
*Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop
we might need to protect elli

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>>35874461
>*Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop
Must.Protect.Glorious.Elf ears

>>35874461
>Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop

if that vampire douche keeps appearing around our family i say we do one of two things

1 we question him with what he is doing

or

2 we investigate him more thoroughly and depending on what we find out kill or talk

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>>35874760
Instead of killing him,Find a nice secluded place and start..."Experimenting"....Heheheh.....

>>35874461
>*Go with Elli to the market. She wants to buy some strawberries for a dessert she wants to prepare that night, you could look around for Tazar's shop

>>35874815
you sir have excellent ideas on what to do
but that is not the type of thing Eldric would do tho he would kill not torture

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>>35874481
>>35874534
>>35874599
>>35874664

>Go with Elli++++

>>35874510
>>35874490
>Talk with our uncle

"Young master, I will be going out for a little while, is there anything you want from the market?" ~Elli asks us while wearing a long white dress and a wide wing strawhat that makes her look rather luminois
"Can I go?"
"Sure? but who's going to stay with the girls, then?"
"I can" ~says Lyann
"Well... alright"

Elli offers you to hold her hand as she walks with you. It is a very nice, summer-like feeling.

"Young master, hold my hand, alright?"
"Alright"
"Is there a reason you wanted to come along?"
"I like spending time with Elli." ~Eldric says while looking down
"Aww... your Elli adores the young master" ~she leans in to kiss the top of Eldric's head

As it turns out, Elli is acquainted with Kalkah, the fruit salesgirl. They don't seem to be specially friendly or to hold any animosity to eachother. Somehow, it's a nice image, two cute elf girls talking about tasty desserts.

One if a slave and the other is a house maid, but they give off a nice and gentle upper class atmosphere while talking. It looks like two older sisters talking about feminine things. If they were working at a tea shop, it would be the sort of tea shop that serves french pastry on the open air.

It would also be ver popular.

"--ung master, are you bored?" ~Elli looks at Eldric with some worry, since he seemed to be somewhere far away
"No! no, I was just thinking of something else"
"Ah, surely your young master would get bored seeing two girls talking for so long." ~says Kalkah.

We are being taken care of like a child, aren't we?

1/?

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>>35874892

"I'm really not bored" ~says Eldric with a small frown~ "I was thinking, if Elli and Kalkah worked in an open air tea shop, I'd like that"
"A open air tea shop? is that different from a restaurant?" ~Elli leans her head a little bit as she thinks about it
"Yes, you only serve tea, coffee and desserts, and of course, its out on the street somewhere pretty."
"Oh... that sounds nice, but would people go?"
"Yes, if Elli and Kalkah were waiting tables there, people would definitivly go!"
"Te~hee, the young master it's so silly"

Well, it's nice getting pampered by two pretty elf girls, so let's let them do as they wish.

"Miss Kalkah, have you seen any new shops, lately?"
"Are you looking for anything specific, young lord, or just novelty? there always are shops that close and open with completely different products inside"
"Ah, I'm looking for a dwarven smith that likes to make clothes."
"That is... quite specific. There is one such shop... yes, there is one." ~she gives us the address
"Thank you"
"Aaah~~ your young long it's so polite and cute"
"Isin't he?"

Now we are just getting embarrased, tho

"Elli, can we go look for that shop?"
"Ah, of course young master, I already got what I needed, after all." ~she says farewell to Kalkah together with you, and starts looking for that address

You find the shop without much trouble. It's just a block away from the main shopping street.

Indeed, you see a great many armors and clothes you recognize, displayed over wooden mannequins.

2/?

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>>35875062
>your young long it's so polite and cute

>>35875062
We /fa/ now?

>>35875062
Reminder that this dwarf has a theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUhVCoTsBaM

>>35875102
i am not acquainted with that board

>>35875132
You won't find a more FABULOUS dwarf.

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>>35875162
I cant find a properly fabulous dwarf pic. All I found was this one, that is quite fit, but not quite fitting

>>35875133
FASHION!

>>35875198
okay then

we are gonna be fucking FABULOUS when we leave

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>>35875062

"Is there no service here, what kind of low-quality shop is this?!" ~Eldric calls back into the store
"WHAA~ Who wants to d--!? oh, if it isin't my favorite customer! Hello, young lord, please be welcome! You shouldn't play such jokes, you know I almost threw the axe before checking who it was!"

Tazar is dressed in a pair of fitting black pants with short, high-heel gentlemen's boots, his muscular chest exposed as he wears a very fluffy-looking open shirt with exquisite details nears the end of the sleeves. He's braided his hair backwards and adorned it with gold rings, while his beard is braided in a very complex patter before cascading in two thick braids at either side of his chest.

"It is nice to see you are already installed. But isin't this shop a bit too far away from the main street?"
"Of course not. This shop is exclusive, you know? And now that you are here, I'm sure you will allow me to unleash my full powers from now on. Why, surely in a few weeks, I will have customers going around the block, so long as ... huh... where's the beautiful young lady?"
"She's home today, but I will bring her around soon."
"Ah, good, good! so who do we have here today? I am Tazar, master Tazar, but you can call me master Tazar, young lady!"~he does a deep bow

Come think of it
* Get something fabulous for Elli
* Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?
* Other

>>35875226
Revolutionizing modern fashion is another thing we need to put on our resume

>>35875390
>Get something FABULOUS for Elli
>Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

Por que no los dos?

>>35875390
>* Get something fabulous for Elli
>* Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

>>35875390
>* Get something fabulous for Elli
gift for Elli

* Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

>>35875390
>* Get something fabulous for Elli

>>35875390
>Get something fabulous for Elli
>* Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

Eli could use a dose of fabulous. We have the money to splurge, she is family.

>>35875390
>* Get something fabulous for Elli
>* Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

Both of these

>>35875409

We are going to need to work with him on both swim wear and unmentioables.

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>>35875409
<-- pic related?

>>35875458
>>35875463
>>35875483
>>35875453
>>Get something FABULOUS for Elli
>>Inquire about master Tazar's situation, maybe offer to get some materials for him?

"E-eh!? b-but... young master... uhmm..." ~she looks quite uncertain about trusting a dwarf's sense of fashion
"I know what you are thinking, miss, but the truth is that I have spent over half my life traveling the world. I assure you, I have ample knowledge and first hand experience with the fashion sense of the world at large."
"Oh, sorry, I didin't mean to..."
"No, it is quite alright. I was something of an heretic when I went back home. Is why I ended up following the young lord's advice and opening shop here, instead. Now, please come in, take your shoes, shirt and skirt off so I can properly measure you."
"W-wh!?"
"Miss, I am an artist, this is an absolutely essential part of my craft. This is not a mass production shop, where the clothes will be "fixed" to the customer. Everything I do is exclusive and tailored to my every customer!"

"It's alright, Elli. I have worked with master Tazar in the past"
"B-but... there's no changing screen!"
"Oh, don't worry, for the young lord, i'm closing the shop for today." ~Tazar lowers a metal screen over the window, turns around the Open/Closed sign and locks the door~ "there, see?"
"...right..."

We take Elli by the hand and guide her into the bowels of the beast, so to speak. In this case, to master Tazar's platform so she can be spun, measured and sized in every way.

"So, you work for the young lord?"
"Y-yes, I'm his house's maid... I've taken care of him since he was born."
"Uhm hu. Young lord, do you want to look at that purple tome over there while I measure your maid?"

1/?

>>35875636
It is full of sketches. Both men and women.

It looks like it is a collection of the clothes domestic staff wear around the world. Of course, it goes from the openly lewd and inviting, to the modest and even into the stiffing.

So... do you want something more french maid-like, fluffy and short? something more long and traditional, something not-arabian, something not-asian? or some party "sunday's best" type of clothing? an elegant cocktail dress, what?

>>35875722
>something not-asian

>>35875722
>something not-asian

>>35875722
> long and traditional
if we can get some thing for our sisters as well

>>35875722
One French Maid-like, one not-asian, and one formal maid type.

One for fun, one for everyday, and one for formal occasions.

>>35875754
>>35875768
>>35875790
>>35875795

On second thought, I should have asked

Under 1g ~ Several good every day work clothes
Up to 10g ~ At least one high fashion dress for special occasions, several good sets of work clothes
Up to 20g ~ Several dresses for every occasion, plenty of high quality maid-like clothes, and while we're at it, let's make some sketches for modern underwear for master Tazar to look at.

Yeah, really should have asked it that way. Also, do you want the clothes to double as armor or just be fabulous dresses?

>>35875882
20g armor

>>35875882
Hell why not we can blow 20g go for it

>>35875882
Is there any reason to not go 20g? We have a decent amount of cash.

>>35875882
20g, and for the clothes to double as armor.

>>35875882
>Up to 20g ~ Several dresses for every occasion, plenty of high quality maid-like clothes, and while we're at it, let's make some sketches for modern underwear for master Tazar to look at.

just fabulous dresses?

>>35875882
>Up to 20g ~ Several dresses for every occasion, plenty of high quality maid-like clothes, and while we're at it, let's make some sketches for modern underwear for master Tazar to look at.
sure.
would be good to start up another business.

>>35873326
>"Good evening, count. Uhmm... about my name..."
>"I know, but I think everyone has the right to go by whatever name they so prefer, don't you
Gee, its almost as if I told you so.

>>35875882
>Up to 20g ~ Several dresses for every occasion, plenty of high quality maid-like clothes, and while we're at it, let's make some sketches for modern underwear for master Tazar to look at.

Also some classic high quality modern style suites/tuxes for us too. We have bond like charisma, might as well looknthe part.

>>35875998
We can just make him disappear. Actually let's do that.

>>35875998
Sorry, couldn't hear you over the sound of your overinflated sense of importance.

>>35876027 Instead of disappear how about....
>>35874815

>>35876066
We've been stonewalled at every turn for the vampire by QM, so it seems we're just going to have him complete his evil master plan.

>>35876061
Sounds more like you can't handle being told that your plans are stupid and only serve to make the character appear foolish and incompetent.

>>35875998
>>35876061

Apologize and be done with it. Let him know you were mostly worried about wmpire spies. He would understand, we are worried bout dad.

No reason being iverly antagonistic

>>35876118
Except for the whole gigantic mana tap he's building in the city.

>>35876105
Sorry, should've listened to your brilliant plans of giving up all the secrets we had to a total stranger that's incredibly creepy. I'll remember that next time.

>>35875390
that is how honoria looks? hot damn

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>>35875920
>>35875913
>>35875902

"Well, you see, I was thinking..."

The dwarf leans over to look at some of our doddles...

"I see... interesting. Yes, that would be doable, but it completely different from this world's common sense."
"So it's not good?"
"It's amazing, I am excited about being the one to bring about this new revolution!"
"Oh, and for work clothes..." ~Eldric makes a couple of sketches, some with long skirts and very innocent presence, clean and tidy, some more playful."
"Uhmm... can I get dressed again?"
"Ah, just a minute, young lady."

Tazar walks over to Elli and takes a completely profesional look at her hips and at the small crevice between her thighs. He measures eeeeerything.

"K~kyaa!"
"Uhmm we are done now."
"Don't worry Elli, I trust master Tazar"
"B-but I don't know him, young master! m-my maidenhood, how am I going to marry now!?" ~she says tearing up

It wasn't that bad, really. Tazar just used several triangular rulers to measure Elli's hip and waist.

"Alright, I have everything I need. It should be... about a week for the first dress, and... yes, about a dress every week once I have a mannequin polished to the righ sizes"
"Could you give them some useful features?"
"Such as?"
"Well, I'd like it if it could also protect Elli some"
"Ah, I see. Yes, it would be better if such were part of the underwear? that way she can always rely on them, regardless of her clothes."
"That's... not a bad idea."
"Oh, and I'd like something for myself, like this..." ~you sketch some modern suits
"That's interesting. Would you like it if I added the logo of the local college? that way you could use it as uniform"
"I want some for normal wear, however, and... welll... some good clothes I can play in the grass with, too" ~Eldric blushes a bit, but the fact is that we want to be able to play with Athena, Mako and the other girls too, after all

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>>35876157
i found very few female dwarves that didint look like bodybuilders, and one was funny in that she has a huge axe, and had ojou-sama curls, but she seemed to show/lose panties a lot

>>35876118
There's plenty of reason to be antagonistic to this guy.

>>35876154
That's really no better than walking up to him and giving him a fake name when we're easily identified in the city.
The entire plan was stupid from the beginning.

>>35876211
And your alternative was? Crying like a bitch? Oh wait, that's your real life plan for everything.

>>35876222
Getting Brass to be the contact, a known merc and former slave, with just a little bit of knowledge that the new ships are going to be armed and armored with dwarven weapons (which would only confirm obvious suspicions since the dwarves are members of the Coalition), while we watched from another table like our uncle did, would have been a much better plan.

Sounds like you just can't handle having the flaws in your brilliant plans called out, or pointed out that your plans were mediocre failures.

>>35876206

We lose nothing, just a little face which might be meaningless if we apologize. We are suspicious of him which is good. No reason to gut punch him yet.

Personally I would not mind using multiple of the spiders to see if we could triangulate where the batter is. We know some advanced math so it might be possible.

He might be trouble, he might not. He might be the same as other nobles at the uni. Go, learn and make contacts.

>>35876292
>is a spy for a rival nation
>is a fucking vampire
>building a citywide mana drain network

Yeah, nah, fuck off with your appeasement.

>>35876154
>Sorry, should've listened to your brilliant plans of giving up all the secrets
1. NOT all anons are the same person.
I >>35875998 am not >>35876105

As to what I advocated on that vote, it was
>Our name is not a secret, lying about it is stupid
>We should NOT reveal anything about the ship to him. But deflect it with a "I am here to catch a spy for the empire, now that I found you aren't one, well I don't really have anything for you"

Instead we went with lying about our name, and claiming that this is a ruse.
He caught us at the lie about the name. He will be 100% certain we lied about the ruse when the ship is finished and possibly before it since it isn't a secret that we are the owner of the shipyard.
He is the prince and next in line of a major nation and our fellow student at the school for the next few years. We made an awful first impression on several levels (including appearing incompetent).

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>>35876291
>gave no alternative plan at the time of the vote
>comes up with an absolutely terrible plan a day later
>thinks it's other people that are mad

>>35876292
I think it'd be cool. If we created these little spiders on a massive scale, as well.
Doing the same thing would be nice.
drain just a tiny bit of mana and send it to our selves.
We could sell it super cheap. And start exporting it asap. And make them target other spider coins not our own. So if they make thier way to the vampire city we will over run them..

>>35876324
I think it was said last thread they were marginal allies of the coalition. Barely did shit basically.

I don't view it as appeasement if we just apologize for what he rally knows anyways.

Get that done with and continue looking.

>>35876374
Absolutely terrible? Instead of looking incompetent, lying to a nominal ally to their face? That's supposed to be better?

>>35876397
There is no reason to interact directly with him at all. He is not friendly. Handing out artifacts that drain mp secretly is a hostile action, and should be treated as such.

>>35876374
>I think all anons are the same person
we are not you retard

>gave no alternative plan at the time of the vote
Objectively false.

>comes up with an absolutely terrible plan a day later
What is so horrible about trying to make a better impression?

>thinks it's other people that are mad
Nobody is mad, but some retards like to post
>U mad
and
>Keep crying
and make themselves seem like fools

>>35876372
A way to salvage it
is to simply go to him and say
>Look. about before. I was expecting to find and catch an empire spy. And when I found you instead I kinda panicked and didn't know what to say.
We could also potentially also say that we figured out the spider thing, but that we will keep the secret.

We could even discuss things with duncan first, to find out more about the exact specific nature of our nation's relationship and whether we should be friend or cool to him. as well as what we can/should/can't tell him.

>>35876292
I agree we can use the power of Friendship !

or at least not be a ass.

>>35876324
half assed spy
racist
so he don't burn in the sun or drink blood, its treating his medical condition.

>>35876324
>is a spy for a rival nation
actually, they are openly and officially on our side. But provide only token financial contribution

>is a fucking vampire
And okaba is a demon
so what?

>building a citywide mana drain network
And? it doesn't harm anyone and eliminates his need to drink blood.
Also, you know that tg would jump at the chance to make one of our own.

>Yeah, nah, fuck off with your appeasement.
Not being an asshole is not the same as appeasement.

>>35876433
>salvage
Sure thing, Chamberlain.

>>35876324
The mana drain network is so that vampires don't burn in the sun and only have to feed rarely, if at all.
Why are you so opposed to a medical procedure that so happens to have a military application?

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You walk back home with a somewhat shaken Elli. She really is worried about her chastity, but it was obvious (to you) that Tazar was being as professional as possible.

Holding her hand helps her calm down, and after a while she seems to be back to her usually cherful self.

That night, we had strawberry cake together with everyone. Mom cut the strawberries into little slices for Athena, and our baby sister seemed to be undecided between loving them or not.

Sharing the bath with Zoe and Lyann, we mention to our favorite redhead that we'd like to take her out to shop for clothes tomorrow.

"Really? ah, yes please!" ~she says with a wide smile.
"And me? can I go, too?" ~Says Zoe while leaning over from behind, hugging Eldric and washing him gently
"Sure, I don't see why not."
"Yay! I'm going out with Eldric! we're going on a date!"
"Wait, do you know what a date is?"
"Well, people is always asking me to go on dates, so I asked mom."
"Alright...?"
"On a date, the boy takes you out, and you have fun, and then if the date was good, you kiss, right?"
"...right"

Really, it's a little worrying. But you have to wonder if she quite gets it.

Well, the girls double team Eldric to tickle and wash him, so he doesn't really has time to do much thinking.

It's kind of hard to wrestle beautiful naked girls while keeping a clean mind, too. Damn difficult

Well, Eldric changes into his pajamas and slips into bed. It was a fun day...

In class, the teacher explains about [Float], which makes the target immune to [Earth] damage but weak against [Wind] damage.

Roll 1d100. Need 5+ to learn it

>>35876523
Yes, it's only for that and not being able to tap unlimited magical power at will. Totally. His clan has only been the major power in his home city because they bake the best bloodcakes.

>>35876503
>But provide only token financial contribution
I think it was purely symbolic"
As in saying they're on our side and are allies with us. while doing absolutely nothing for us. but I may be wrong.

>>35876540
>She really is worried about her chastity
did... anyone ever explain to her sex education?

Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>35876540
they se me rollin they hatten

Rolled 21 (1d100)

>>35876540

>>35876504
>Chamberlain.
Oh for fuck's sake, at least use the right politician, you shitstain!
Chamberlain delayed the war with Nazi Germany because Britain would have been utterly fucked if they had gone to war then. He bought England the time necessary to build up their war machine, assemble and staff factories, churn out war material and supplies, put together the logistical supply lines and stockpiles needed to fuel those factories, and to train and equip the needed soldiers.

Unless you are complimenting >>35876433 on buying time to complete preparations for a military strike later, at least learn your goddamn history.

Rolled 74 (1d100)

>>35876540

Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>35876540
Time to save the day

>>35876575
>THE poster boy for appeasement
>he did nothing wrong

Why am i not surprised at your retardation?

>>35876550
Symbol contribution = token contribution

Basically, they pulled a UN and said they denounce the empire and that the coalition has their "full support (TM)", where full support means "just words, really"

that being said. It is a far cry of being an ENEMY

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>>35876540
Hey King, is Mana just in the environment as an ambient energy?
Do the spiders draw from the environment or from surrounding people?

If the former, wouldn't a large collector array be possible, rather than all these small constructs?

>>35876608
It's also a far cry from being a trusted ally. We shouldn't act as if he is a guaranteed hostile but that doesn't mean he's on our side.

>>35876523
Are you seriously this stupid? Medical condition? Really?

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>>35876559
Somehow,,, actually, probably not

>>35876562
We learn float. 20mp cost

Mako and Lyann sneak away to feed the guinea pigs together after lunch, leaving us by ourselves. On the next table, you can see Dawn and Aura talking while eating.

It's rare to see Aura eating with someone else, but Dawn is the only other succubii you've ever seen, so it's understandable is they want to spend some time together. They probably don't get many such chances.

"B-but things aren't meant to go into that hole, only out!" ~says Aura in a secretive-type of tone as we approach them
"That's what makes it so fun, you know?" ~says Dawn with a mischievous look

...
*Maybe we should just go back to our seat
*Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.
*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

>>35876638
>>>HURR THEY ENEMY
>>No, here are the facts.
>It's also a far cry from being a trusted ally
No shit its a far cry from being a trusted ally. find me one person who said they are a trusted ally?
Stop it with the retarded false dichotomy.
If someone calls you out on being a retarded shit and making an objectively false statement, that does not mean he belongs to the "other team" nor does it mean he supports the polar opposite of your objectively wrong statement. Especially when he explicitly SAID what he is for.

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good
save the pure one

>>35876597
And why am I not surprised at yours?

You actually believe that what Chamberlain did was the wrong thing to do.

>>35876674
>Somehow,,, actually, probably not
Well we should probably rectify that.
Seriously, there are now 4 girls in the house in desperate need of some basic sex ed.
And while at it. basic explanation about romance too.

>>35876715
That you don't speaks volumes.

>>35876674
>*Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.
>>35876695
>(You)
Different person. I was just chiming in on the stupid argument going on. It seems to be latest idiocy that has popped up in this quest, the last one being our reaction to the MC's godfather.

>>35876674
>*Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

gotta save bro's girl

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

>>35876674
>Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.

We may be misunderstanding, and she needs seduction advice if she wants her happy end.

>>35876674
>Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.

This will be amusing

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

>>35876726
Then explain what Chamberlain should have done instead of buy time to get Britain ready for war.

>>35876674
*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

SAVE HER

>>35876734
>Different person. I was just chiming in on the stupid argument going on.
But you were NOT chiming in on the stupid argument. You were taking the side of the retards.
So far there are two sides

One that said
>Hey, we got caught on lying about our name, just like we said we would.
>That also made us seem incompetent and stupid
>Being a racist asshole here is not useful. We should at least try to be a little friendly for now and see where it goes
>They are not actually an enemy nation. not close allies, but not enemies either.

and one that says
>OUR PLAN WAS PERFECT!
>Vampires are literally hitler!
>Any plan to try and appear less incompetent or to befriend the vampire is NAZI APPEASEMENT!
>They are an enemy nation, and any claim otherwise is to claim they are close allies!

>>35876674
>*Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.

Ah, there's the samefagging.

>>35876674
>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, micing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good
Best to get her away

>>35876806
We'll now I'm certainly taking sides, I was going to stay out of it. For someone advocating diplomacy you certainly seem to lack the ability to use it.

soo how about next time we see the count we just ask him straight up what he is doing with the mana he collects and his intentions after he is done here

>>35876833
Just think of it as a critfail on his diplomacy roll.

>>35876833
>I will punish you by making eldrik act like a retard
>THAT WILL SHOW HIM! HURRR!!!
You were most certainly taking a side. And I seriously doubt you weren't on that side of the argument in the first place

>>35876674
Hey King, can you explain if Mana is just in the environment?
Do the spider constructs take minute amounts of MP from people, or just from the environment?

>>35876848
Why would we believe any answer he gives us?

>>35876674
Save the pure one

>>35876719
Mom probably needs to talk to them.

>>35876695

My view is don't trust him, but don't needlessly antagonize him.

I think /tg/ is more trusting of Demons then Vampires cause of sparkling vampires.

>>35876848
that is the single rudest, dumbest Idea I have ever seen.

>>35876883
Vampires are inherently parasitic. That does not build good will.

>>35876848
We know for a fact what he is doing with it
>Eliminate sun volnerability
>Eliminate blood thirst
>Kill his enemies

The only question is whether it absorbs the power from the environment or from people.
And and whether there is anything wrong with using such widespread mana traps.

I honestly don't see any problem with this.

>>35876608
>Basically, they pulled a UN and said they denounce the empire and that the coalition has their "full support (TM)", where full support means "just words, really"
>
>that being said. It is a far cry of being an ENEMY

This is pretty accurate, and makes me chuckle a little bit.

>>35876625
Living beings in a fixed environment tend to create floating mana in the environment. Thats where the spiders tap from, not from people. However, this mana is pretty vague and normally is wasted when doors/windows are opened/closed. A huge array in the middle of a street wouldnt be able to collext anything.

A small spider locked in with that mana, on the other side, can. Which is why its better to try and get one into every home.

That said, little constructs like those are pretty normal in Sbastia, and only the spiders have that function. They also have lots and lots of constructs (and undead) programmed to sweep the streets, repair fences, paint houses, etc.

If you dont pay a special tax, your body will be repurposed upon death to serve the state as a public, cheap worker, or maybe in the army.

Thus, despite being a small city state, they actually have a rather MASSIVE undead army, since it tends to stockpile over generations.

By the way, their "token contribution was " don't worry about the home front, if they launch a sneak attack, we got it." basically they wont supply man(skeleton?)power to the war front, but are acting as national guard in the home front
>>35876754
>>35876760
>>35876709
>>35876791
>>35876690
>>35876804

>>*Perhaps we should pull Aura away. Yeah, her mixing with "actual" succubii slaves cannot really teach her anything good

>>35876769
>>35876785
>>35876746
>>35876734
>>*Take a look at those two, it may give us some insight.

>>35876894
Well, if our resident retard says it's a bad idea, that means it's a great idea. Let's do that next time we see him.

>>35876883
Not a single person actually advocates trusting him.
But anyone who has advocated not needlessly antagonizing him has been strawmanned
accused of wanting to reveal all our secrets to him (which all 3 people explicitly said isn't their goal) as well as being accused of being literally nazi appeaser.

Then again, they were voting to literally murder him for being a vampire. despite the fact that it WOULD start a war if a lightbringer murdered the crown prince of their nation

>>35876906
>By the way, their "token contribution was " don't worry about the home front, if they launch a sneak attack, we got it." basically they wont supply man(skeleton?)power to the war front, but are acting as national guard in the home front
that is actually a fair bit more than token support... as long as they actually uphold this rather then reneging on said promise the moment our troops fall

Are their troops actually physically stationed on our borders? or have they just said that they would if it becomes necessary?

>>35876906
>By the way, their "token contribution was " don't worry about the home front, if they launch a sneak attack, we got it."
That's kind of a big deal, though.
Securing the home front of the entire Coalition, right?
That would mean defending the borders of all of the Coalition member-states so that each member could concentrate all of their military force on the Front, rather than keeping their armies divided between the Front and a home guard.
That's actually kind of a huge deal.

Also, their nation sounds exactly like a /tg/-based Good Undead Kingdom.
Undead being used for the common good so that the living can work on what they want, rather than drudgery.

>>35876906
Can we send mana up the stream to the spiders to burn them all out at once?

>>35876932
I knownofbthere was a vote we would get 15+ responses, like any heavily contested decision.

So it will likely be a wash really. Those are very hard to get a true decision without samefag being throw around.

It likely should be dropped until we need to make a decision on it. Time it is made would also effect it.

we need more information on the count be for we make a decision on him he good be a good guy or a bad guy but right now we dont know what he is

>>35877073

They likely feed mana to an array of mana crystals. The family likely is spell chanters that can easily drain them either remote or each hold a large one.

That gives them the mana to spam high power magic to secure rulership.

So there's an entire city state full of people that spam dragon force, which is coincidentally one of the only things on the planet that can kill us.

And there are no defenses against that.

>>35877228
we can counter spam just as hard if not harder

>>35877073
why would we want to?
If we want to really hurt them, all we have to do is reveal the secret.
Most likely scenario is that power utility companies will arise that pay people for taking in a spider into their house (or some alternative form of gatherer), and their family might lose their monopoly on said power.
Regardless they will be at risk of losing their next tournament depending on politics and the rules involved thereof.

Of course, that could backfire in all kinds of interesting ways. But really, I don't see why we would want to pick a fight with them over it. This literally harms nobody

>>35877257
>being alive to do anything against unlimited mana dragon force

Good luck with that.

>>35877228
not everyone in the nation can spam it, just the ruling family.
And you don't even need to spam it in order to assassinate someone.

>>35877278
>This literally harms nobody
Then they won't mind if we tell everyone about it.

>>35877296
its not unlimited mana, its arbitrarily high mana.
And who goes first matters

>we go first
>dragonforce
>they ded
or
>they go first
>dragonforce
>we ded

also, we are wearing a resurrection ring. Than agian, so might they

I think ultimately it is a question of how many people are in each party that can go nuclear. If 6 of their royals come after us all spamming dragonforce, we are fucked

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>>35876995
>they just said that they would if it becomes necessary
this, but i wanted to have our uncle tell us IC.
We are talking about MASSES ...of low level skeletons, tho. Like, level 15 on average. Well "quantity has a quality all its own"

>>35876906

"Aura. Dawn. Hi."
"Hi!"
"Hello, young sir"
"Aura, could you take me to Okaba?"
"Ah, of course. Please excuse me" ~she says goodbye to Dawn and goes with you

"How have you been?" ~Eldric asks her
"Ah, fine, thank you" ~she gives us a shining smile
"Aura... I don't think you should mingle with Dawn... she... well, I heard what you were talking about"
"I know, right!? did you know she's playing in the boys bathrooms? she..."
"Ah, I dont think I want to know"
"Really?"
"Yes, really"

Well, we make small talk with Okaba, and tell him about what we heard.

The prince looks at us, and seems deep in thought for a few moments.

"I see... I think I'll go have a chat with young Asmund."
"Why?"
"Well, if his slave is lurking around the men's bathrooms, it is unseemly"
"Right"

Afterwards on your way out, you spot Honoria and her dwarven friends playing chess on the gardens, and head over to talk with them.

"Eldric, dad wanted me to remind you about his invitation to go stay with us during the next summer break."
"Thanks. I may, but I'd like to try somewhere new, as well. I want to see as many different places as I can."
"Well, that skyship thing should make it a breeze, right? what do you want to try, forest, lake, sea?"
"I don't know yet? I guess it depends on if the war is over by then"

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>>35877339
>>This benefits them
>>It harms nobody
>>Telling people harms them
>Then they won't mind if we tell everyone about it.
How can someone be this retarded?

>>35877375
>>It harms nobody
>>Telling people harms them

The second is only true if the first isn't.

>>35877359
Man, looks like we became a massive killjoy for everyone. Why didn't you people let Aura develop her succubus side? She'll never get Okaba to treat her like she wants if she never learns how to be seductive.

>>35877391
>>It harms nobody
>>Telling people harms them
>The second is only true if the first isn't.
You are a complete and utter retard

This is NOT at all an analogy to what they are doing. Mana harvesting is very different from being gay. But:
>Someone is gay in the privacy of their home, in iran
>This harms nobody
>Telling people harms that gay person

Something can be a harmless activity that, if made public, harm will come to the person performing it

>>35877457
>wanting aura to be lewd

Fuck off and die.

we need more info on Asmund be for we do anything he might jut be here to learn but if he is here to start shit i have no problem giving him a dragonforce blast to the face

>>35877471
So theft is now equivalent to being gay. Thanks for clearing that up.

>>35877457
Yes, we are being kind of an asshole recently.

>>35877479
>we need more info on Asmund be for we do anything
yes

>i have no problem giving him a dragonforce blast to the face
did you miss the part where we are both princes of our respective nations and murdering him would be war? not to mention it would violate the neutrality of the local nation.

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I'd just like to repost
>>35876375
I think it'd be cool. If we created these little spiders on a massive scale, as well.
Doing the same thing would be nice.
drain just a tiny bit of mana and send it to our selves.
We could sell it super cheap. And start exporting it asap. Also make them target the vamp spider's not our own. So if they make their way to the vampire city we will over run them..

We could make our spider's unique..say making them colorful. Making them possibly sturdier. anything that would make it a better product. And try and flood the market with it.

They would likly still have an over supply of mana if they were storing it properly. But with a sudden stop to their supply. Would limit them greatly. IF we can get it into their nation.
Either way. would be cool if we could do the same. and send our mana into stones. And we could go about mass creating golems. Creating a shit ton of tireless workers for our empire..

>>35877488
learn to read retarded faggot
>This is NOT at all an analogy to what they are doing.
You made the retarded argument that
>>It harms nobody
>>Telling people harms them
>The second is only true if the first isn't.

This has made the argument completely independent of what those vampires are doing.
It is now about whether it is possible for there to exist a thing that harms nobody, but if made public, harms the person practicing it.

Now, if we can settle that this is a RETARDED STATEMENT then we can go back to arguing about whether what these vampires are doing is actually harmful.

>>35877475
She *wants* to be lewd numbnuts, with Okaba and only Okaba. Okaba just isn't having it because he's got issues. She needs to power through those issues with sexiness. She isn't using the pheromones because she wants him to want her for being her.

It's already a pretty pure relationship, just can't advance because both parties lack the critical element needed for it to fully develop. Or are you saying that a husband and wife shouldn't ever fuck? Because that's flat out retarded.

>>35877359
King, I have to say I have significant reservations about dragon force after the most recent change. Being able to spam something that completely ignores defenses and has the highest damage potential in the game is pretty caster edition.

>>35877359
Also I love that pic
>>35877391
honestly I think its a matter of human nature. If someone has a near infinite power source, people will want a part of it, even if they didint build it or own it.
***

That evening, we take Zoe, Stella and Lyann to master Tazar's tailoring shop. Lyann is quite excited... until she recognizes the dwarf.

"You're making a face as if you had smelled something sour, young miss. I don't think you arebeing very fair." ~says Tazar
"Ah... i'm sorry. It's just that it's a little embarrasing still."
"But you are wearing it all the same. You are making an old dwarf very happy"
"...Eldric likes it" ~se says, blushing a little bit
"Oooohm you made Lyann's pretty dress?" ~asks Zoe
"Tis was me" ~nods the dwarf

Today, Tazar is sporting a kilt and shirt, complete with a berett. Where the hell did he ever see a kilt, its a mistery.

"Can I get one like that?" ~she looks at Eldric
"Oooh, me too!" ~adds Zoe
"I would prefer to make something just for you, young miss, and... well, you are no dancer, right?"

***
What job do we keep Zoe ad Stella on, normally?
Predator and Arcanist?
Anyway
*Get them good gear
*Get them some pretty dresses
*Other

>>35877543
You are literally arguing that theft is not harmful. So the fact that you keep trying to label anyone else as the retard is hilarious.

>>35877488
>theft
Collecting trash isn't theft. the harm to the vampires would be that if people found out about it, they will no longer "throw out" their trash, but sell it to interesting parties.

>>35877554
Different anon here:Then we should try and help them along that path.Later though because seriously we're still a kid to them,But we can help nudge them along the path because we've clearly noticed that they like each other

>>35877572
Ok, i'll be at your house tomorrow to pick up all the stuff you haven't used in a while.

>>35877559
>*Get them some pretty dresses
because they deserve it

>>35877559
>*Get them good gear
>*Get them some pretty dresses

>>35877559
*Get them good gear
*Get them some pretty dresses
Why not both?

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>>35877559
>*Get them good gear
>*Get them some pretty dresses
Why not both?

>>35877457
you are the worst sorta skum there is a special hell for people like you

>>35877475
Not that anon, but being a killjoy isn't the same as wanting her to be lewd.
there are other solutions than "tell on her"

>>35877554
The main issue actually is that they have completely different understanding of romance and desires.

She sexually fetishized being a slave due to reading taudery romance novels.
She wants him to dominate her as a master. He does not want to take advantage of her as a slave.

They need to talk about it more clearly and compromise.
Like, maybe do some dom-sub things in bed while being married.

>>35877572
Wow, so they'd have to actually pay for the things they take. What an injustice we'd foist upon them.

>>35877559
>Other
We have the money, so get them both good gear and pretty dresses. Preferably if they're pretty dresses that also function as good gear.

Stella - Predator
Zoe - Thaumaturge
I though Zoe was leaning towards Healer and Bishop, and Divine magic, since you mentioned that she was learning Divine spells.

>>35872732
Any updates from...it was your uncle, right?...about where you can get your surgery?

>>35877570
>You are literally arguing that theft is not harmful
FALSE
I am saying that whether the vampires are stealing or not is irrelevant to the question of whether or not there can exist a thing which harms nobody, but if made public will harm the person practicing it.
I have given the iranian homosexual as an example of such a thing.

If you want to argue that the vampires are harming people because what they are doing is thievery, then make THAT argument instead

But it is a completely different argument

>Not retard argument
>>The vampires are not doing a harmless thing, they are committing theft

>Retard argument
>>It is impossible for somebody to be harmed by the revelation of a secret of them doing something that harms nobody.
>>Therefore, the vampires MUST be doing something that harms others, because revealing it to the public would harm them

>>35877588
I have had plenty of people take away parts of my trash before.
I have never begrudged them that. nor have i ever complained.
In fact, many people intentionally sort out their trash to recycleables and non, despite the fact they are not being paid for it, and that the recycling companies make a lot of money.

>>35877646
I said nothing about it being morally righteous to keep their secret. Only that they will be harmed by it being revealed.
EXPLICITLY stated to be in the form of competing trash collectors and the need to pay people for their trash

>>35877623
It's more deep seeded than that. Okaba thinks she's coming on to him to repay him for saving her from the life of a traditional succubus slave. That's the reason he refuses to take advantage and give her the D or make more overt shows of affection.

Aura's sexuality has been informed by her choice in smut, but the reason she got into that sort of thing is because the plot lines are similar to her own life. She sympathizes with the characters, and finds that end to be the happiest possible for a slave. The slave submits to the loving and caring master who does all they can to make their slave happy. She loves him, and she wants him to love her. In her mind, that's lovingly dominating her.

In the end, it's a perfect set up for a somewhat sad romantic comedy. The two are coming at each other from radically different angles and can't achieve a full reconciliation of their desires.

>>35877674
You're right, I expected too much from you to realize that taking something from a property without the owners knowledge or consent was theft.

>>35877778
>trash
Sure thing, chum, I'll just be the one deciding what's trash and not. And I won't tell you.

>>35877821
>Nobody collects it or uses it
>Everyone just throw it out
>Its not trash

>>35877829
Glad you agree with me. Don't mind anything missing, now. It was obviously unused.

>>35877806
>>>>>Logic statement
>>>>Logic statement is fallacy
>>>its theft
>>that is a different argument, unrelated to logic fallacy discussion
>so you are pro theft
does it hurt to be this retarded?

>>35877891
Dunno, you tell me.

>>35877555
>highest damage potential in the game

Im not sure on what to do about it, tho

>>35877570
honestly I think of it as stocking on rain water. In some states it is allowed and in some it is illegal
See: Bolivia. It is illegal to store rainwater in Bolivia because it breaks the british.owned water company's monopoly.

>>35877572
true

>>35877655
>I though Zoe was leaning towards Healer and Bishop, and Divine magic, since you mentioned that she was learning Divine spells.
thats what i thought too, but it doesnt hurts to ask
>>35877658
nope

The tailor stares at the beastgirls for a bit...
"I made something for you before, right? How old are you, miss?"
"Two! I think!" ~says Zoe with a beaming smile!
"Four" ~says Stella
"Alright... I think something cute will do, then. Please take your clothes off and step into that platform so I can measure you"

The dwarf writes down their measurements on individual notebooks, asking the girls to do things like stretching and kneeling, twisting their bodies to a direction or the other... after a few minutes of this, you realize he's thinking of clothes they can play with

In fact, the designs he shows you are cute. They are definitively cute clothes for children, with just a tiny hint of playful sexy on them.

"I like them. Please go ahead"
"Alright. I will be done with your maid first, however. Is that alright?"
"Of course"

As you go back home, Lyann holds your hand.
"What is it?"
"The clothes you are getting them are really cute"
"Do you want some like those?"
"Not really... you like these on me, right?"
"You look lovely"
"...okay" ~the girl blushes deeply, and keeps quiet on the way home while Stella and Zoe play around

2/?

>>35877806
>>35877674
how about instead of revealing/not revealing it to the public.
We keep it as a bargaining chip? We could tell our grand father about our theory. And possibly strong arm them into doing something to help the coalition army. Now rather than later/possibly never.

>>35877924
There's no need for a bargaining chip, the war is almost over.

Copy the design of the spider, release it as our PhD thesis.

>>35877806
You are suffering from the "us vs them" binary thinking mentality
You assume that if someone points out a factually wrong statement that you have made, or a logically flawed one, than he must belong to the "other team".
This is false, he could be on your team, or he could be neutral.

Furthermore, you then completely ignore the fact you have made an objectively false statement, and use completely different arguments, as if trying to win the "overall argument" as a personal attack on their integrity, because only a person without any integrity would ever be for the "other team".
This is stupid, you should just admit that you have made a mistake, but then contend that this mistake does not nullify the whole argument. That is still stands based on all the other points, or with a correction.

>>35877918
>honestly I think of it as stocking on rain water. In some states it is allowed and in some it is illegal
So...the vampires are the water company? I'm not following this analogy.

>>35877918
>Im not sure on what to do about it, tho
before there was a 12 hour limit on using it.
some sort of burnout effect.

>>35877918
>"Two! I think!" ~says Zoe with a beaming smile!
>"Four" ~says Stella
aren't they 1 and 2 respectively?

>>35877964
Yes the war is almost over.But I would rather the coalition uses dead bodies. to fight the enemy rather than live bodies. And increase the death count on both sides.
Over whelming the enemy now is better than soon.
Possibly thinning out a future enemy's forces would also be nice.

>>35877918
>Im not sure on what to do about it, tho
If it's spammable, then it should be at least affected by abilities like magic rend.

>>35877910
You are too retarded for words, so let me give you an example of how it is done

>I admit I have made a mistake in claiming that it is impossible for there to exist a thing that harms nobody, yet if made public will harm someone.
>That being said, in this particular case, the vampires are not doing a thing that harms nobody. They are in fact, committing theft, which harms people

ok king from what you have said mana is generated from two things

1 the world its self; were mana flows through out it

and

2 the people them self's

and the spiders take mana form the world and send it to the one controlling the focus

made a few typos retype it

>>35877910
honestly, I think he has the better argument

Is Asmund good or bad? he's more of the "pragmatic" faction, which is why some groups couldnt forgive some of the stuff he does for what he perceives as the greater good, and others could. But I think you should wait until you know of those before deciding.

>>35877984
no, the vampires are the farmer stocking rain water,

>>35877997
How about ising it once per day, and once more per day every 5 arcanist level, up to 5 times per day?

>>35878011
I think Stella is 4... may have said 2 at some point, but that would be my mistake

>>35878021
sounds reasonable

***
A few days later, you are leaving the bathrooms at the school when you hear a girlish chuckle and catch a glimpse of a blue, heart-tipped tail quickly sliding out of the room through a window.

Looking at the small mirror before you, you can see a couple of horns and blue hair, and a couple of pinkish red irises peeking in as you go to wash your hands.

Opening the faucet does nothing. There's no water coming out. You open it a bit more, and nothing.

*giggles come from outside the bathroom*

*Open it all the way
*Go see what's so funny
*Other

>>35877924
that is a sensible thing. and will make grandpa proud
but it can be quite detrimental to any potential friendship with the heir to the vampire throne.
I think it would be better if we befriend him. (at least until we find indication of him being evil)

>>35877964
there is always a need for a bargaining chip
and the war is NOT nearly over. what is nearly over is us pushing back their invasion force. But we still lack the force to invade them in return. They will just build a new invasion force and try again

>>35878113
>*Go see what's so funny

>>35878113
>*Go see what's so funny
she is a prankster plus we could learn about the count

>>35878113
>Other
Turn the water off. Then go over and tell them that they need to keep quiet if they want their prank to work.

>>35878152

Turn water off, use magic to summon some water to wash your hands, then go see whats so funny.

>>35878113
>*Other
Clean our hands with magic'd up water and leave.

>>35878113
>I think Stella is 4... may have said 2 at some point, but that would be my mistake
iirc you said
>She is 4
>She is 2
>She is 2 year old in a 4 year old body due to minor age acceleration.
So, you said all 3 at different point. been really inconsistent about her age :)

>>35878113
>no, the vampires are the farmer stocking rain water,
That's...nothing like the situation described.

>>35878137
>but it can be quite detrimental to any potential friendship with the heir to the vampire throne.
>I think it would be better if we befriend him. (at least until we find indication of him being evil)
It shouldn't effect our relatioship with the heir.
Considering he may not even know what the spider does.
Since OP mentioned him doing it out of good will.
And it would make sense that only the crown'd prince/king and a select few would know of the spider trick. Considering it would be huge if it was leaked.
So our grandfather knowing may just be he ran into the spider some where, and had an enchanter look into it. And linked it to thier family. Or we can tell our grand father our theory and he could really look into it. and play his cards as he see's fit.
And we could play none the wiser. Befriend the heir as best we can.

>>35878230
if someone majorly undermined our granpa and dad, we would be upset, no?

a non overtly aggressive method I can think of is to copy the tech and start a power company that buys it. then when people start using it with spidered home they would notice an unusually low draw. and the thing will get revealed on its own.

>>35878273
The current ruling family would lose all their power if this became public. Their opinion is pretty irrelevant.

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>>35878103
If you want to get really feep into it, my idea is that the interaction between the different mana sources creates floating mana that just burns out and dissapears on its own

The vampires are channeling that mana

>>35878176
>>35878152
>>35878141
>>35878139

You wash your hands and go around the bathroom to the side window... and find Dawn on tiptoes over a crate, trying to see whats going on inside the bathroom, quite confused as to why there's no big splash yet.

"Dawn?"
"Eeeee!" ~she is so surprised she falls out from the crate and lands on some boards. She looks lightly hurt~ "Ouch..."
"Are you alright?"
"...no..."

She boke a few tables when she fell over, but at least there's no blood or broken bones. It looks like she got some bruises, tho.

"What are you doing?" ~Eldric helps her up
"..I was playing."
"So I noticed. Come on, what were you doing?"
"Well, I... huh..." ~she looks to a side and the other, trying to find a way to sneak away
"You can tell me, or you can tell me and Asmund."
"No! no... I was... playing a prank..."
"How?"
"I shoved some knead from the kitchen into the fawcett... if you'd open it a bit more, you'd have ended with it on your hand, and water would have splashed out." ~she says, the very picture of a child that knows she did something wrong
"Oh... is that what you were talking about with Aura?"
"Y-you heard us...?"
"Yes, listen, I think you need to be careful with what you say, people tend to have the wrong impression because you are..." ~Eldric pauses. He realizes this is racist, but... ~"Well, because you are a succubi"

1/?

>>35878273
I still think using it for our personal wealth would be good..
We could mass produce 1000 of them. sell em for 10s.
basically thats 3000 mana a day. we could be funneling into a mana stone. And create Super Golems. And create 1 day. And create a smart/tireles workforce that works for free. And it would be a huge increase into our baking soda business. Since we could even rent them to our merchant friend to increase production at the new factory.

Also for the white knights. we could use 10% of the profit towards funding orphanages. Funding public schools the whole 9 yards with a % of profit.

>>35878342
I knew we were misreading that situation. We really are killjoys.

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>>35878342
Shit man...Now i just feel bad thinking she was trying to make Aura more lewd....

>>35878342
>The vampires are channeling that mana

So let's simplify this: Do you see what they are doing as morally right?

>>35878425
ya i know your pain i thought the same thing

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>>35878342

"Dawn doesn't mind. People tend to think that way about master when they find out he i--- ayaya. Bad Dawn!"
"That he's a vampire?"
"...yes" ~she says softly as she looks at Eldric, then she gets down on her knees and holds from his shirt "You are not going to tell anyone, right? after all master passed through back home..."

*What happened back home?
*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone
*Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me
*Other

>>35878425
The perils of being a succubus, people imediately assume everything you say/do are going to be lewd. Let that be a lesson to all of us.

>>35878476
>*Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

>>35878476
>Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

>>35878339
>>>It shouldn't effect our relatioship with the heir.
>>if someone majorly undermined our granpa and dad, we would be upset, no?
>The current ruling family would lose all their power if this became public. Their opinion is pretty irrelevant.
what?

>>35878476
>*What happened back home?
>*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone
lets not be a dick

>>35878476
>*What happened back home?
>*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone

>>35878501
The heir would change. They'd probably be thankful for us breaking the old family's power.

>>35878494
>>35878496
Extorting favors out of a succubus slave is kind of dickish, guys.

>>35878476
>*Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

No one even considered that he wasn't a vampire.

>>35878527
It is called pragmatic

>>35878476
>*What happened back home?
>*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone

>>35878358
I agree with you about stealing the design from them and using it for personal wealth

We could "invent" it without exposing them then openly get people to hold such items in their home for a monthly cut of our profits.

>>35878476
>*Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

Tell him to get a spray on tan or something.

>>35878476
>*What happened back home?
>*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone

>>35878339
>The current ruling family would lose all their power if this became public. Their opinion is pretty irrelevant.
this is hilarious. their nation literally has a law that you have to pay money to not have your corpse raised as a zombie owned by the state.
If it became public they will just pass a law where you have to pay money to not have to have one of those things at your house

>>35878476
>Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

The way everything happened the man could have had a giant sign sticking out of his head saying "Hey everyone I'm a Vampire!".

If he doesn't want to be seen as one, he shouldn't act like one in front of people who know the signs. And that's going to be anyone educated.

>>35878563
>the current ruling family has only held it's position by keeping mana drain spiders secret
>AFTER THE SECRET IS OUT, THEY'D JUST PASS A LAW, HURR

>>35878431
Does it harm anyone? no
Are they profiting from people's ignorance? yes

IIRC the pilgrims when they arrived to america said they would not be traders, but farmers, because trade, by definition, involved buying cheap deom A and selling to B at a higher cost, so it is "dishonest"

So please allow me to answer you back with that example.

Do you think that, if you were the only one in the world who knew how to perfectly harness solar power, and stockpuled it, that would automativally mean you are harming everyone else? they dont even know your power reserve exists

This is exactly like that.

Sure, it COULD be used for the betterment of all manking, but ultimately, it is YOUR KNOWLEDGE, YOUR POWER PLANT, YOUR POWER STORAGE so it is your call.

COULD they do BETTER than to selfishly stockpile that power? of course they could!

Is it morally wrong of them to do it that way? of course it is.

Ir it unethical of them to do it? no. It's not. There's not any law anywhere that says "if you manage to produce something, you are obliged to sharing it with everyone else"

Actually nm... I think there probably IS a law like that in communist states, isin't it?

>>35878476
>What happened back home?
>*I've known for a while and hadn't told anyone

No reason to be an asshole.

>>35878548
>We could "invent" it without exposing them then openly get people to hold such items in their home for a monthly cut of our profits.
why...
I don't know about the others. But I don't mind stealing civilian excess mana with out telling them. Or giving them much back.
I feel we're already doing our part by funding the orphanage and supplying them with jobs so they don't go around stealing food. And providing an education to them * the last one in the near future*

>>35878591
dunno ask your neighbours

>>35878591
Are the undead raised as the cheap workforce and military of that nation also powered by this mana array setup?

>>35878591
So yes, you think it's morally right and will ignore any attempts to break their power like the thing with stella's aging.

That saved me some time at least.

>>35878476
>*Uhmm.. if its that big of a secret, I have to say he sucks at hiding it. Besides, now you owe me

>>35878621
it likely is, especially if there is upkeep to having them on stand by.

>>35878609
>I don't know about the others
they seem to be vehemently opposed to it.

>>35878591
There is a significant difference between

>knew how to perfectly harness solar power, and stockpuled it

and selling people things that take things from their home secretly.

One actually is going out and doing harm to others.

>>35878609
>Or giving them much back.
Or giving them money back from
>>35878548
>for a monthly cut of our profits.

I'd rather not lose profit. and Just use it for
1. Expanding our wealth.
2. General betterment of the lower class.
2.1 - Educating/safe housing/food for the poor is better for the city as a whole. There would likely be less crime.

>>35878591

I don't see anything wrong with it, people set up lop sided trades and deals all the time

Only thing I see is that they are making marginal use for it, enhancing the families position.

Of course this is to be expected with 'The most Serene City of Vampire Venice.'

With modern eyes I see it as cheap, easily accessable energy that can be used for all sorts of things.

>>35878621
>>35878682
If the mana array network is also used to keep the economy going, keep vital infrastructure in working condition, and provide for national defense, that also has to be taken into consideration.

Also, since ambient mana dissipates if someone so much as opens a window or a door, isn't it more akin to someone figuring out a way to cheaply make energy from sewage, and then tapping everyone's sewage lines?

>>35878494
>>35878496
>>35878532
>>35878556
>>35878568
>now you owe me+++++

>>35878509
>>35878544
>>35878546
>>35878559
>>35878599
>>35878508
>lets not be a dick++++++

either we have 11 people, up from our usual 6, or people is samefagging HARD. Then again maybe its a bit of both. We seem to get more people on fridays

>>35878621
>Are the undead raised as the cheap workforce and military of that nation also powered by this mana array setup?
yes

>>35878626
I specifically said it was NOT morally right
It is ethically not wrong, however

>>35878724
Well, they get a lifetime bug zapper for really cheap

>>35878802
thats a good comparison, really

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>>35878591
The whole matter is morally ambiguous and could be debated all day really. I do find it unethical that they are using a secret means to retain power though.

I mean, when it comes to duels to the death you'd expect a kind of informed consent between each party for it to be above board. You know their skills and weapons, they know yours. Not all the ins and outs mind you, but you do get the basics. Things like "uses dual pistols, [martial art/weapon] master, hints at the quality of their gear, ect... This way people don't go challenging someone they stand zero chance against. For instance, in one webcomic I read duels were legal in a country. Any exceptionally potent mage was legally required to wear special gloves whenever they were out and about. That way people knew that, if you do challenge this dude, expect a hard fight at best because he's an archmage.

They're cheating by not informing people about the secret power stash. Cheating in a duel is both a violation of the rules and immoral.

>>35878431
let me put it this way
what they are doing is less bad than eldrik exploiting the card market.
because he is profiting from people's ignorance by actually taking the money of ignorant people. something they have a use for

>>35878626
>So yes, you think it's morally right and will ignore any attempts to break their power like the thing with stella's aging.
that one had an overwhelming majority in favor of aging.

>>35878880
That only depends on the rules of the duel, and the culture behind it.

What you are describing is only one possible set of rules, from one cultural outlook on honor.

>>35878870
Counted one guys vote twice there for the 'lets not be a dick' column.

>>35878724
the equivalent here is selling people roof tiles that collected solar power.

>>35878895
Hey. Let me tell you something. You are going against cards. You are against cards. That means you are calling everyone who plays cards wasting their time.

Look at it this way. Cards is not worse than chess. If you say cards don't have a purpose than neither does any other form of entertainment.

>>35878931
No, the one that had 2 votes against aging that were ignored and then one finally went through after everyone got sick of votes being ignored.

>>35878870
I missed the vote, is it too late for me to vote lets not be a dick?
i promise i hadn't done so.

>>35878870
just do a timed vote

>>35878870
I missed the vote, is it too late for me to vote now you owe me?
i promise i hadn't done so.

>>35878957
what? those aren't playing cards, they are magical enchantment cards that people use to enchant weapons and armor for fighting
having the right card can save their life.

>>35878984
jesus christ, final destination has been cracked. Just type in invisible characters and you bypass the spam filter.

>>35878957
>That means you are calling everyone who plays cards wasting their time.
>Cards is not worse than chess
What?
The other anon is talking about how we exploit the Card market, around the buying and selling of magic Cards that are slotted into magic weapons.

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>>35878895
that's true.

***
"Alright, please don't kneel, you are going to get your clothes dirty." ~Eldric helps her up, and heals her a little bit. That's enough for her bruises to go away
"Thanks"
"What happened back home?"
"I could tell you, but I don't think that's the sort of thing you tell a 10 years old." ~Asmund

Asmund and Okaba are standing behind you. Aura is behind Okaba.

Ah, that's right. Okaba was going to talk with Asmund about whatever Dawn was up to, right?

"Actually, Asmund, Eldric seems quite worried about this. As I appreciate him a lot, could you please inform us both about it? I won't press if you really want to keep it private, but I am afraid we will not be able to move from acquaintances towards friends if we don't know"
"Well... alright, but let's go somewhere else."

1/?

>>35878870
>>now you owe me+++++
>>35878989
wow, turbo asshole mode engaged.
I really hope it is one nasty samefag.

>>35879024
Why bother giving votes if you ignore the results?

>>35878880
The biggest problem is that it would be argued that a family who can work out the process, use it continually and keep it secret is worthy to be in charge there.

It is a morally grey area. They are arcane duels, so it maybe allowed that using any method to win through arcane means is valid.

It is ethically ambiguous in their home city. Spreading them here is even a deeper grey, since others in the local power structure will start asking questions.

>>35879033
It is what I would do
Leverage on the slave of a probable enemy

>>35879053
what?
the vote was 6 in favor of "don't be a dick" to 5 in favor of "turbo asshole"
He went with the 6, the clear winner.

>>35879086
He counted the dead vote, which was from a namefag that voted again the same way. So it was tied.