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>>36608025
So there are two purposes to this thread. The first is to clarify what is going to happen when I resume on the 17th or 18th, because I gave the wrong impression last thread about that. The second is for anybody who wants to discuss their plans or the quest to, well, discuss. I’ll also answer any questions. Otherwise the thread can die off and my posts can sit in the archive for those interested in the heads up.

GDOCS

Firstly, brand new GDocs folder: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1Qxe-FljPXpMTNrOWltTXlBLTQ&usp=sharing

The only documents missing are the faction/npc list, province list, lore doco and recap. Of these, the lore doco is what I’m concentrating on. It needs the focus.

The character sheets are all in one file and many have been updated and some added. There is also a WIP skill/ability reference at the end, because many of the descriptions of the skills and abilities don’t make clear how I actually use them. Completely optional to read.

As you can see from the attached images, I now have separate province and world maps which have both been updated. The province map will have additional info added as necessary. The MG need resources added to their provinces. It should be noted that the Sithran Mtns will have a dedicated map due to its strange structure (caverns, tunnels etc) when necessary. On the world map, Pharos lacks detail because it’s not hugely important right now.

The Empire sheet has received a number of updates, including numbers of mages and noble knights. A lot of the info on Shropham hasn’t been added for reasons that will be explained immediately below. I know what I want to do on Research now, which is to cut it down severely – fewer items to research but each matters more.

>continued

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>>36608041
WHAT NEXT?

So in the last few threads I’ve been indicating that there will be a timeskip. This isn’t accurate and I apologise for that. What is going to happen when I resume is that you will be playing through the high-level ruler stuff, with timeskips if nothing is happening. This means that if you don’t choose to do additional things (like hold a meeting with Grand Magister Darvui or declare war on the Mage Guard) then things will shoot along until the next major event.

In detail, what will happen next thread is that you’ll have to manage the aftermath of your Shropham conquest. The League, Guard factions and Raphael all have their own opinions on how things should be done and you’ll vote on how to handle that. This could lead into Mage Guard politics if you wanted or you can choose to stay out of that for now.

What will happen concurrently with any decisions will be the economic and diplomatic issues in your empire. This includes the dwarves and Eastern Winds Trading Company wanting additional trade rights; the other fox clans and their interest in you; and the diplomatic problems surrounding the RSK. There’s also the seizure of the nearby PoPs and Sylph, which I planned to make a Finn thread (depending on how things go). 2-3 threads of content there, plus anything else you guys elect to do. I’ll favour anything you vote to do over the preplanned stuff (e.g. if you wanted to grab the Mage Guard PoP as part of a raid on the Guard themselves).

The main reason to make this clear now is so that people can make plans without thinking, “Oh, Aspir’s just going to do a timeskip to some big event. I’ll just wait for that.” I also didn’t want the first thread after the break to get bogged down in this stuff.

Feel free to ask me any questions or comment, or just discuss things. I’ll make a post about the changes on the world map and some intel on the Mage Guard in a while. After that, I have no more preplanned content for the thread

>>36608061
what are the official power levels of all our hero characters?

>>36608041

>islands

Neat. Can we get a rundown of those and interesting bits surrounding them?

>>36608061

I, for one, really think we should focus on getting more PoPs, Sylph or not.

>>36608061
Regarding the Mage Guard, I think we should hold off on war so that the foxs can migrate more. Rereading the old tourney threads has reminded me of that conman we know. He is part of the Warden faction, so we might be able to use him to create division in that faction, while also growing support for Sylvian.

>>36608222

I agree, I think we should do two of our PoPs, and Sylphs. If only for the jump in power level right now, the surrounding issues with any PoPs can be mitigated by only doing a few now.

Just to say personally I think we should make a deal with Fenix eventuality. From the looks of that map Asfael is going to be making a move soon. So it may be a good idea to take her and allow the RSK room to work on Darvui and keep him away from us.

>>36608222
>>36608251
The biggest issue I could see arising from trying to take PoP's is their current owners. We don't want to piss off any big players unnecessarily.

>>36608261

I'd wait to see what Darvui has to offer first. He has a healthy swath of coastland and is a well known powerful mage, he might be aiming to ramp up some naval might and take over the eastern coast via it. Or just plain out have a better offer.

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>>36608184
Well, for one I'm probably going to move them further north so they're tropical/equatorial because that will give them more interesting resources. They're mostly unsettled, except for some natives and RSK and Malataine colonies. Pharos has little interest in them due to the issues of controlling them over Malataine and RSK plus there's not much there that isn't on Pharos.

Lack of settlement probably means there's some native fantastic creatures there and it's probably that the islands were settled pre-Cataclysm by one of the divine powers.

>>36608157
I'm not sure what you mean by official power levels.

Also I have to say we need to get our adorable vampire exercising. She has a higher level of strength enhancement then fucking Talon does. So she needs to get fit.

I really like Felix's vamp powers. They make me feel sorry for him though.

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>>36608061
MAP CHANGES

So all those map changes that have been hinted about since, like, thread 5 have been implemented. These will be discussed IC. The Farloun sorcerer has denied the RSK the region of Farlou; Princess Asfael and Magister-General Falwick have declared regency over two northern regions of the RSK (not so much rebellion as autonomous rule under King Fenix); Grand Magister Darvui has declared that two south-eastern regions of the RSK are under his control and the RSK is still focused on him.

The new additions to the world map are Pharos and the Taurine Islands. I’ve also finally placed Pharos on the map (insofar as there is one) – it’s northern hemisphere, but with the southern regions quite firmly tropical/subtropical. Any geographical/climatic deviations from reality are because a wizard did it. God knows there’s enough of them. Pharos isn’t hugely important right now, but I will note that it is effectively under the control of one empire, even if that empire is heavily factionalised due to the obviously different regions (which should be obvious from the naming patterns).

The Taurine Islands were added by popular demand. I’m actually probably going to move them further north so that they’re tropical and have interesting resources. They’re largely unsettled, apart from some natives and RSK and Malataine colonies. This also brings up the issue of sailing – the world is round and you can sail south from Gauron to reach Pharos (though it’s a longer trip) but you can’t sail east to Pharos because all the ships that try vanish. The same issue applies if you sail west from Pharos to reach Gauron.

>continued

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>>36608341
MAGE GUARD INTEL

As has been mentioned before, the Guard are a heavily militarised nation. This should be obvious from the map, where almost all the provinces have strongholds and castles. Much of their fortifications were built during the Shadow Beast invasion and have been maintained since, particularly in the direction of the Magi League (or the nations that formed them, really). The cities tend to be smaller but wealthy, with high rural populations (but relatively low densities due to poorer farmland). Staropol is the exception, with massive slums surrounding an absurdly wealthy core. Total population of the Guard territories is about 24 million people with slightly below average urbanisation.

In normal times, the Guard would maintain a military of around 500k soldiers (including garrisons). Losses from fighting Ember mean they probably have closer to 400k, but are likely rapidly recruiting to replace them. Such a large professional military puts a large strain on the economy and the nation has issues despite high levels of magitech industrialisation. The military, which is the true Mage Guard, also has factional splits. The two main factions are Sylvian’s, which are focused mostly on containing ancient evils and deviant magical research, and the Wardens, which are very firmly anti-mage in general. The Wardens have gained the upper hand after Sylvian lost a great deal of face fighting Ember and failing. Sylvian’s influence is mostly in the east, in Balkarin.

>And that's it for preplanned posts

>>36608317
who can beat who in a fight ranking

>>36608317
I have to say. Felix's sheet is just amazing. Nothing quite is as fun as shanking dickass wizards. I also noticed that Finn is getting physically stronger.

>>36608296
I honestly wouldn't trust Darvui. Fenix seemed to think him quite nuts and I trust Fenix a lot more. Just because he is in a way far more predictable.

>>36608251
We should at least go for Sylph. It's around the time Talon needs to bind the source. So it may be a good idea to check out what our dragon friend knows about the POP.

>>36608393
Taira > everyone else

>>36608406
>I honestly wouldn't trust Darvui.

Haven't met the guy. We'll see.

>>36608418
I know that much
although now that you mentioned Taira I wonder how she measures up against Alyce and that one Heldragon chick.

>>36608360
>Sylvian’s influence is mostly in the east, in Balkarin.

Useful useful. Once we attack we should have her create a civil war.

>>36608393
Personally I am kind of interested in how well Finn would do against vampire Felix.

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>>36608317
>native fantastic creatures

?

>>36608406
>I honestly wouldn't trust Darvui. Fenix seemed to think him quite nuts and I trust Fenix a lot more. Just because he is in a way far more predictable.

Yes. Trust the genocidal guy man over issues relating to his enemies.

>>36608462
If I remember right she is weaker then both but strong enough to keep Talon from dying in a fight between the two.

>>36608469
IIRC Finn was way worse than Felix at fighting technique and shit, but could win easily because magic powers. Felix would probably wipe the floor with Finn now that it's evened out.

>>36608472
Thing there is I got the feeling he was being honest. Fenix may be a bastard but he is pretty easy to figure out in general. The guy in darvui might be planning on bringing a world wide plague of zombie dragons for all we know.

>>36608490
Did you get that from the time we were hoping to call them both to a negotiation table, and someone told Taira it was her job to keep us safe if a fight broke out? I don't think that's very conclusive, not like word of god from aspie would be.

Was thinking about the topic of Juggernaut Mage knights. What if we designed them to be defensive units whose job is to stop enemy advancements or hold key strategic areas. I think our HMK's, LMK's and FMK's are already doing great work in the field of offense but our defense outside hero units and Noble Knights is lacking.

>>36608504

I want a Felix/Finn spar now please. Or them broing it up learning how to use their powers together.

>>36608504
Nah. Finn started out with a little weaker skills I think. But also has like 7 endurance. and only like 4 strength when boosted.

Now he has weaponry 2 and 5 strength due to combat experience. So it's really a question if Felix's power drain is enough to beat finns endurance.

Hey Aspirational, so the Consume ability we now know about on Vampires is pretty universal yeah? I ask because Blackwater drained that singer vampire right before our fight, did that give him a significant boost right before our fight?

>>36608525
I basicly asked in one of the threads a long ass time ago if we could use a three way sending just in case. Then Aspirational basically said it would be risking one of the others just getting angry and turning it off. Then he said that Taira could protect Talon anyway. So we do know she would do well enough to make it a small risk.

>>36608555
>>36608548
>>36608504
The thing about Felix's transformation is he cant really measure himself against a single powerful opponent anymore. His full potential is only realized when fighting against multiple foes. That the sad part now. He judges right and wrong depending on how strong someone is and he cant tell how strong he is anymore. Clever Aspie

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>>36608406
>I honestly wouldn't trust Darvui. Fenix seemed to think him quite nuts and I trust Fenix a lot more.
Darvui has a really good rep in mage circles and he was also a close confidante of Fenix. His split mostly leaves everybody scratching their heads given it's completely out of the blue and he's not supporting the League. He wants to establish an embassy in Harrowmont, which will annoy the RSK for obvious reasons.

>>36608470
Maybe, maybe not.

>>36608222
Aside from the Balkarin PoPs, you don't have easy access to any of the others or the Sources. The Sithran Mtns ones are no go thanks to the shadow beasts; Guelburg possibly has Darvui holding it; Terrnaine is full of elves and the PoP is a sacred place to them (it's basically a memorial according to Finn); and Raphael isn't going to let you touch the one in the Retreat.

The Balkarin ones are fair game, however. You could, if you really wanted to, try to get another.

>>36608318
Given her slight build and physical age, it's amazing that her physical stats are that high as is. She might need to do more than just lift.

>>36608338
I figured that being able to gain power quickly through eating people's souls would be ironic enough. Also the fact that he can't fight people without sapping their power, meaning his ability to fight isn't his own anymore.

>>36608540
Personally for me they would work better as high powered defensive units. After all their biggest use would be trying to even out the God knights with durability and numbers. Though thinking on it we should start construction of anti-arcane archer measures for when it spreads around and on building our arcane siege contraptions.

>>36608617
Nah, If he has a single powerful opponent then he gains more power then a cannon fodder. So he works best if he murders a ton of fodder first then fights a single foe supercharged. That way he can keep on beating down the single guy draining him each time.

>>36608649
The best measure against arcane archers is either combined unit armor enchants that work together so long as the unit remain in cohesion (close enough together) to block, deflect or dull the impact of the arrows, or to develop a more advanced form that shoots further.

This is ignoring the idea of fast strike assault teams or magically enchanted scorpio light seige engines.

>>36608738
Problem there is the pure range the arrows have. We would basically need to stick the HMK in front to weaken it.

>>36608618
You know I'm wondering something. Why does Finn have both Weaponry 2 and Archery 2? Considering weaponry includes archery.

>>36608504
>>36608548
>>36608555
>>36608504
>>36608548
>>36608555

I dunno, I'm sorta getting the whole 'talent vs effort' vibe. Not saying that Finn isn't talented, because he is, but his way of fighting is basically full on beastmode and bullshit hax because of his insane magic capacity and tattoos buffing his regen/enhancement. He doesn't have to learn the subtleties of combat, because he can just tank the shit out of any damage and retaliate by stabbing someone in the face.

Comparatively Felix fights like a normal knight, which, unfortunately, wasn't enough (hence his dismay and the need for him to turn to vampirism) He had the skill, but not the innate magical capability. Now that he's a vampire, he'll have that natural abilities as well as his learned skills.

Plus if you look at it, Felix is basically the worst possible matchup for Finn in a 1v1 now. Finn's entire shtick is "lol don't care if you stab me in the gut because I can heal, you're in range now and I'm gonna wreck you m8"

Felix's Power Drain I kinda invalidates this advantage though, in that all that damage Finn ignores (hypothetically) feeds power to Felix and makes him stronger. Plus he also has Finn tier regen/tank capacity through Vampire blood abilities. Curious to see what other abilities manifest based on his worldview.

How are we progressing with Alyce and Sylvian?

>>36608781
>>36608738

I believe it was mentioned the Anti Magic Knights(I can't remember the name) the Guard produces it bulk have a group enchantment such as this. It's just weak and out of date tech.

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>>36608589
No, Consume is actually Aladria's specific power. Blackwater was just topping his reserves off (oh, right, I should probably add that to Vampiric Body - they can only get MP back by drinking blood or through a familiar connection). I should also probably add something about their thralling technique... Damned vampires having so many bloody abilities.

Basically, Consume is why the vamps were all terrified of Aladria and why she's quite powerful despite being relatively young.

>>36608462
Taira relies too much on raw power and both Alyce and Sylvian have more than her (despite the astral v sorcery thing). Her teleportation ability is her only real edge over them and the reason I (may) have commented about her being able to protect Talon. Spiritual Body could also be used to let her do a suicide bombing against one of them, too (I've changed that ability significantly, btw, so that it's not so terrible).

>>36608516
Darvui does have a big bad black dragon fighting for him now.

>>36608504
Finn and Felix would be closely matched, actually. Finn's improved his stats a bit alongside Felix. Finn's Transmutation would probably give him the edge over Felix who has no extra abilities apart from Power Drain (which can be countered with Express Power). OTOH, Felix will get super powerful from Power Drain if Finn lets the fight drag out.

Also for the foxes we really should invite all the clan heads to visit us. That way we can personally get this shit done. It should be easier with Ren as well.

I remember Aspirational saying there was a hard counter to our AA's, and that we could see it in the GDocs if we looked hard enough. I cant read them very well so I don't know were to start there.

We should start diplomacy quickly with Asfael and Falwick to see which is the one in charge.

>>36608781
Not really. You either outrange them, or weather the storm. The anti magic group enchant may just turn them into normal arrows if it was strong enough.

>>36608815
This just means that the old tech could be revamped and improved for this purpose. The arrows themselves will be singular small enchants.
Frankly as far as long lasting enchants go, Arcane archers are not very hardy, because they dont need to be.

>>36608799
Thing there is Finn does have more durability when boosted and now with experience Finn now has equal weaponry to him. So it's more even.

>>36608823
I think it's amusing Felix inherited that abillity. We need to start feeding our vampires evil dragons and shit to see what happens.

>>36608823
>No, Consume is actually Aladria's specific power.

Ohhh, so is that what you mean by inheriting power from your sire?

>>36608823
Darvui does have a big bad black dragon fighting for him now.
Wait when did this happen? Why are there so many dragons on the east coast? Soon the general population will be talking about the east coast being the center of monster wars.

>>36608823
any chance we can get a list of other notable NPCs in the character sheets gdoc?

Alyce, Mercenie, me, Hallim, etc

or maybe a separate gdoc that lists notable characters + physical descriptions without the ability/statblock. Makes it easier to keep track of different dudes we've encountered/fought/dealt with

on that note, would like to request a (general) physical description of Felix and Aladria (height, build, hair length, clothing, accessories etc)

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>>36608781
>You know I'm wondering something. Why does Finn have both Weaponry 2 and Archery 2? Considering weaponry includes archery.
Because Finn will likely level up Archery before Weaponry. He's still a specialised archer unlike Talon.

>>36608837
AAs have a lot of difficulty with powerful magical wards and warded armour.

>>36608902
Daywalkers get their affinities and powers based on their sire and their own proclivities. Aladria would have been a fantastically powerful mage, so she was shadow-focused but her sire also gave her powerful Empower Self and Regeneration abilities (and the combo of the two helped create Consume). Felix is blood-focused and so inherited that side and barely netted Consume (in a modified format - Aladria's Consume I involved her actually eating people, whereas she now just absords them into a mass of shadow).

>>36608947
Well, the monsters are on the east coast because the God-Knights and Malataine are on the west coast. And Darvui's dragon is recent.

>>36608832
The Pride leader will be trying to meet you in Shropham but you can try to bring all the leaders together. Or get Ren to, really.

>>36608812
nothing's really changed. You've been a little busy in Shropham.

>>36608991
The NPC/Faction list will make that easier. I'm slowly creating char sheets for powerful characters as I fill out the ability reference. THis is mostly so that I don't accidentally create people that are stronger/weaker than they should be (like Ren, who probably needs a slight nerf).

>(general) physical description of Felix
Tall knight dude in plate armour with fangs? Probably about 5'10, more lean muscle than a tank (leaner than Talon), very short hair (probably like a No 3/4), favours slimmer functional plate because it's not being enchanted.

>Aladria
Pic related, basically.

>>36609124
What colour was Matthias again?

So, I have a list of ideas, most of which I expect OP to ban due to the whole "Break the setting in half" aspect of some of them.
First off, the use, and abuse, of summoning:
1. Tarpitting: basically, you send a bunch of summons on a suicide attack against enemy elites (Knights, Wardens, Spellblades, w/e) and they all die tying up the enemy while our elites murder things that actually matter.
2. Other suicide attacks: first through the breech, flying summons suiciding enemy archers holding the line while the rest of the army pulls back, and otherwise taking causalities in place of things that don't dissapear at the end of the battle anyway
3. Sacrificing them to Felix or Aladria (I don't expect this to work at all)
Use and abuse of the source's godmode:
1. Hyperbolic time chamber.
2. Remember how spiritualism can blow you up if you aren't extremely careful? Which is why it takes so long for spirtualists to learn techniques, to say nothing of inventing new ones? Yeah, Talon will make that not a thing in his place, so fluffy tails and others can improve and innovate much more quickly. (also makes a powerful political lever for said spiritualists)
3. The greatest hotspring in the history of Gauron.
4. Rapid mana regeneration for sorcerers, so that our armorer can make nice sets of armor much more cheaply.
Other fun ideas
1. Punitive tariffs for Albanon, because fuck those guys.

>>36609124
>The Pride leader will be trying to meet you in Shropham but you can try to bring all the leaders together. Or get Ren to, really.


IT would probably work best one at a time. That way the place doesn't explode.

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So I'm around if anyone wants to discuss possible future expansions to Harrowmont, fortresses, cities, or general architecture related things.

Here's a picture of one of the things I've been working on post canal, or current, to further our hold on the eastern coast. I can give further explanations if necessary or dimensions, whatever. There's a lot that goes into the defenses from the sea, it's a lot of fun actually. It also includes a new system I'm trying to work out to make elevations make more sense for everyone. That said translating it to Harrowmont is a bitch.

I also have a WIP of the Mier fortress that someone suggested if anyone wants to see that. It's still very early, and I haven't sent it to Aspirational yet, so some of it is subject to change.

>>36609204
>3. The greatest hotspring in the history of Gauron.

Sold. Fund it.

>>36609235
We should probably build fortifications at regular intervals along the canal stretch. While usually open, it'll limit the ability of an invader to use them without any resistance, it would also allow us in future to establish a large network of check points for the identification and seizure of smuggling.

>>36609204
I would assume 1 and 2 could work as a strategy but would require most of our mages abilities and prep in a battle. After the first time you would expect disruption mages to destroy them with little effort.

3 cant be done because what they consume needs a soul

>1. Punitive tariffs for Albanon, because fuck those guys.
I think that would go against many of our trade deals with the guard.

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>>36609171
It's not Matthias (who is a black dragon). Darvui's dragon is named Prague and is a regular great dragon (not a helldragon).

>>36609204
Oh boy.
Summon abuses:
>1. Tarpitting
Completely doable. Hard part is making enough summons that they can do this.
>2.
Breach clearing with summons would require hardier summons but could be effective in setting off traps or taknig the first blasts from the mages. Suiciding archers could work if they don't get shot down first.
>3.
Summons don't have souls so this won't work. Felix's power drain will but Consume won't.

Source abuse:
>1.
Time manipulation is one of the few things that is outright impossible.
>2.
Sounds a little too simple a method. If you're changing the way the astral power is channelled, how do the foxes know tht they're not going to blow up outside of the Source?
>3.
Doable.
>4.
Doable.

>>36609326
>I would assume 1 and 2 could work as a strategy but would require most of our mages abilities and prep in a battle. After the first time you would expect disruption mages to destroy them with little effort.
Summons aren't that easy to dispel. If they were, Mal would have dispelled the summons that that CM did easily. If mal, a famous dispeller, can't do it, we shouldn't have to worry about it very often

>I think that would go against many of our trade deals with the guard.
Well, one, its in the League, not the guard, and two, they supplied troops to shroopham and are currently in the doghouse because of that. The rest of the League would probably be pretty unsympathetic.

>>36609359
>Sounds a little too simple a method. If you're changing the way the astral power is channelled, how do the foxes know tht they're not going to blow up outside of the Source?
They get tazed instead of blown up basically. Enough pain (or nausea) to know "you're doing it wrong" not enough to kill them.

>>36609291

I was actually thinking about that myself. I assume a lot of the more important locks that are out in the open will have something similar. But building a network of mini forts along it would serve a far greater function. I like it. Can easily design a few different kinds we can employ if that's something we want to do.

>>36609124
You know this does make me curious what would happen if we feed one of them a helldragon. Or a astral being.

>>36609204
>1. Tarpitting: basically, you send a bunch of summons on a suicide attack against enemy elites (Knights, Wardens, Spellblades, w/e) and they all die tying up the enemy while our elites murder things that actually matter.

That's basically what we do if we have time.

>>36609359

Speaking of dragons, what color is our new assistant?

>>36609488
Other than that, the rest is just designing deference for city's, towns and key defensive locations (mountain pass, river crossings etc).

After that, we could try make some civic buildings, A simple coach and post system might be a good idea to implement.

>>36609359
You know this does make me wonder. If talon is using the source though a POP. Could he like troll spiritualists via making all their astral techniques instead create roses?

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>>36608025
FUUUCK, how'd I miss TWO threads back in November!? Be right back guys, gotta go play catch up now

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>>36609553
This reminded me of the fact that Sources can't really play with astral power - the whole counter to them is basically the fact that astral energy can't be manipulated in the same way that sorcery can.

So you can't really modify the way spiritualists use their magic. You could have silly things happen anytime they use their magic but you can't modify the magic itself.

This also applies to >>36609484

>>36609488
A lot of the locks would be small forts and castle. Heck, I imagine a lot of the canalisation would be through rivers that already have forts and the like on them.

>>36609505
This reminded me that I don't think I ever posted Rayza's colour. Rayza is blue, Kyria is white. Both have a strong magic focus, though Kyria's isn't as good as Rayza (which is why she wasn't able to trick Finn even though Rayza was).

>>36609406
>Summons aren't that easy to dispel.
This is more or less right. Once a summon is, well, summoned they can't be disrupted in the normal way. Disruption magic can still effect them strongly, however.

>>36609659
I got a brilliant idea. Each time Vad uses his techniques in harrowmont we should have an invisible hand stroke his tails gently.

> Rayza is blue

I think it's kind of interesting that the only black dragons we have seen so far are related to the big guy.

>>36609359
Couple of notes and thoughts:
1. In the battle calculator, the Ranger's don't have their armor mentioned (maybe add that in a column in the unit detail that lists armor, would make it more easy to look up)
2. The empire sheet doesn't have the tower of Holland (The Farunese tower Finn saved), its probably considerably more loyal than the average tower in that area. Also, the Shroopham provinces claim that they are attached to Darlesia and Taour, which seems wrong.
>>36609659
Could we change it so that instead of modifying how the foxes channel their power, we change how their body reacts to dangerous asteral energy, like that which is formed by improperly channeling their power? Within the bounds of the source obviously. This is to make training spiritualists and making new techniques easier, not to somehow turn them into Gods or what have you.

Either a typo or terrible spoiler, but in the Gdocs, under astral power it reads
Archangel-Death - the angel Raphael's version

>>36609826
>not to somehow turn them into Gods or what have you.

Technically speaking I can't see a reason we couldn't give foxes astral power in the source. They could use it outside though.

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>>36609484
Thinking on this idea, it's semi-possible. If their technique backfires on them, you can save them and they'll know it won't work. The problem is that you don't have any real way of saving them from misusing the astral power within themselves - if they mishandle the power they draw in or draw in too much, they'll still go braindead. Luckily, spiritualists don't really do this unless they're beginners.

In other words, you can't accelerate the training of beginner spiritualists but you can help those who are already adept at it (basically, all adult foxes and trained monks). Once you get the Source reality-bending.

>>36609496
>You know this does make me curious what would happen if we feed one of them a helldragon. Or a astral being.
if they take in too much power it's still dangerous to them. They'd ahve to work their way up the food chain but it is theoretically possible, at least for Aladria. Felix might not be able to feed from astral beings.

And the results are nasty - Aladria can become absurdly powerful if she uses Consume enough.

>>36609825
>I think it's kind of interesting that the only black dragons we have seen so far are related to the big guy.
You mean the only black feldragon you've seen?

>>36609836
Fixed, thanks.

>>36609826
>Ranger's don't have their armor mentioned
Fixed.
>The empire sheet doesn't have the tower of Holland
Added
>Also, the Shroopham provinces claim that they are attached to Darlesia and Taour
Forgot about that. I was wondering why Shropham's trade tax was so low...

>>36609856
>Could

Couldn't I mean

>>36609856
Well, yeah, but that's not all that useful outside the source. I figure that if we put enough fluffy tails in a room they'll be able to figure out some way to abuse our control of reality to improve their abilities.

I honestly think we should give the next PoP to Undine again.

>>36609934

I like this guys logic train. We need more rooms filled with fluffy tails.

>>36609978
We probably won't be getting a next chance for a while and the power to bring shit out the domain is pretty damn useful once we bug Raphael into explaining it.

>>36609913
>And the results are nasty - Aladria can become absurdly powerful if she uses Consume enough.

She shall become the devourer of worlds.

Do Rayza and Kyria have full dragon forms or are they like Lynn.

Also
>Kyria, Rayza, Caitlynn, Tylarne, Sylvian, Matthias, Larios
The two dragons without Y's in their names are dicks. Clearly when we get dragon kids we have to make sure they are well behaved with a Y in their name.

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So it's clear that everybody wants to grab both Balkarin PoPs. I'm not sure if anybody wants to do much about the Guard or the RSK before sounding them out, though.

Also, I need to spec the navies at some point. And respec the general military.

>>36610047
>We probably won't be getting a next chance for a while and the power to bring shit out the domain is pretty damn useful once we bug Raphael into explaining it.
"Hey, Archangel Raphael, protector of existence, why don't you show me this super-awesome technique using this source of nigh-infinite power that has been abused before and could potentially destabilise the world?"

I'm sure she'll be sold instantly. Might want to brush up on your charisma first or do something puts her in your debt.

>>36610143
>The two dragons without Y's in their names are dicks
Christ, that applies even with the dragons you haven't met. Lyria and Prague fit that to a 'T'... Dunno if Kyria's pals do, though. Still need to name all of them.

>Do Rayza and Kyria have full dragon forms or are they like Lynn.
Lynn is literally the only person with Draconic Transformation. All other dragons, helldragons and feldragons have distinct human/dragon forms and no mixed one.

I think its strange we are going own the power astral path and also trying to court Sylvian. If we go down that route eventually we will get to the point where we can start empowering our friends and allies. What happens when she disagrees with that practice?

>>36610205
>"Hey, Archangel Raphael, protector of existence, why don't you show me this super-awesome technique using this source of nigh-infinite power that has been abused before and could potentially destabilise the world?"

Perfect. I can't see a problem with saying this exactly.

>>36610047
Well that, and we can use the spiritualist training room (we shall call it the room of spirit and time), to wring more fluffy tails out of the clans. Also, we might be able to make hand enchanted Basett armor no longer insanely expensive.

>>36608341
>The Taurine Islands were added by popular demand. I’m actually probably going to move them further north so that they’re tropical and have interesting resources. They’re largely unsettled, apart from some natives and RSK and Malataine colonies. This also brings up the issue of sailing – the world is round and you can sail south from Gauron to reach Pharos (though it’s a longer trip) but you can’t sail east to Pharos because all the ships that try vanish. The same issue applies if you sail west from Pharos to reach Gauron.
How long would this have been settled? I'm mainly asking because it might be more interesting to have one of the kingdoms that got knocked out by the Seraphs, (or maybe the magi league though that seems unlikely) have set up a court in exile sort of thing.
>>36610205
Well, I was thinking we could use that spiritualist trick with Sylvian's faction to get some exchange students and shore up her support base actually.

>>36610342
She mostly dislikes making subraces. Using astral power to boost someone up I don't think would be a problem until we start making them their own race.

>>36608341
>The Taurine Islands were added by popular demand. I’m actually probably going to move them further north so that they’re tropical and have interesting resources.

Would cocoa and coffee beans both be on that? We should corner the mango and coconut market and build an empire upon tropical fruit.

>>36610361
We really do need to get some dwarfs and human enchanters in Harrowmont so we can start building up our knights and our guards armor and weapons.

Also another trick we could do with it is help Mal with his research. I"m certain there has to be something sorcery can't do very well that it can that would help. Also we could also do something like build batteries and jam it with power. Talon couldn't run out of energy so he could just convert it to something mages could use.

>>36610361
>How long would this have been settled? I'm mainly asking because it might be more interesting to have one of the kingdoms that got knocked out by the Seraphs, (or maybe the magi league though that seems unlikely) have set up a court in exile sort of thing.
Or have a nation north of the barrier that he likes have fled there and set up.

>>36610481
>Or have a nation north of the barrier that he likes have fled there and set up.

Those guys would be some next level hardasses.

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>>36610412
There'd probably be different beans there, though coffee is already a thing in Gauron because it's largely subtropical (from my really crappy understanding of climate). Cocoa would be, yes. As would a number of spices.

>We should corner the mango and coconut market and build an empire upon tropical fruit
So begins a war between TYE and Malataine over fruit?

Mind you, I still need a proper way to show natural resources. The simplest way is probably just to boost the wealth levels in the provinces that have them, I guess. And use them as growth modifiers once I finally implement that system.

>>36610361
>How long would this have been settled?
Within the last century, probably. I'll still fleshing it out.

>>36610465
You'll be seeing a fair few dwarves in the diplomacy arena. They're very interested in the canal, for one.

Aspirational could we please have a sit down with our Machinist(s)? There have been a lot of ideas floating around and I think it's time to hammer some of them out properly.

>>36610205
Aspir, is such a thing as a mana well possible to make? I was thinking that if it were we could use them in our cities and hook them up magic barriers and other enchantments and give extra power to our mages in case they get besieged.

>>36610524
Those guys would be more like high tier astral beings.

>>36610621

Is that pretty much what Mal's crystal research was hinted at being?

>>36610609
>So begins a war between TYE and Malataine over fruit?

Yes.

>They're very interested in the canal, for one.

Interested as a dwarf would be in the shoddy construction of a human building interested? Or interested in why the fuck are we building this shit interested? Also, where do dwarves fall on the respecting Pure Elementals thing? I could imagine they'd see Gnome as a goddess but not care much for say Sylph.

>>36609913
>In other words, you can't accelerate the training of beginner spiritualists but you can help those who are already adept at it (basically, all adult foxes and trained monks).
Just to clarify, this would work on trained wardens as well right? And theoretically they might be able to raise the "cap" on their abilities. Assuming a sufficiently talented warden managed to figure out a few techniques.

>>36610671
That is more figuring out how to jam Copious magical energy into something I think. Making it easier to say give +2 physical stat bonuses instead of just 1. It helps with the efficiency and strength of the enchantments.

>>36610609
Talking about the foxes reminds me. Did you finish how odd their tails are?

Also we may want to see how Termina is doing with the new governor.

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>>36610712
Dwarves are trading animals, so they're looking at the canal in that respect. Combined with the fact they only need to negotiate with one power (instead of the two or three before) and that you might be more receptive than Vitria ever was, they're going to launch a charm offensive.

>Also, where do dwarves fall on the respecting Pure Elementals thing?
Most of what Gnome is wearing (including the gauntlets) are gifts from the dwarves.

>>36610753
Wardens are different. They don't try to invent new techniques so much as learn and master the old ones. Most of them also have a hard cap because humans suck at using angelic techniques, not because they're not powerful enough. It's a similar reason to why only black-tailed foxes can use Disruption Techniques.

>>36610618
You can just ask me questions and I can answer as necessary.

The ideas I've got down are the juggernaut armour (which has been sold as everything from being Super HMKs, to purely defensive phalanx style units, to elite breach-clearers) and the man-portable scorpions (I'm trying to work out how these would work stat-wise).

>>36610671
>>36610763
Mal's crystal research is mostly about power sources and magical batteries, things that are sorely lacking. Basically, the only way to store power is to place it into an enchantment (which slowly runs out) or to have a mage there but the crystal research might change that.

>>36610822
Sai has bronze-gold tails with black streaks; Dain and Naite have vivid silver tails (more of a platinum colour) with a black base and tip.

>>36610910
Pretty normal. Lyyph is mostly spreading his control and standardising all the rules, laws etc across the territory. He's turning Termina into the centre of law and order and Avinou into the agricultural and trade hub of the region (not for manufactures, though, keeping Vitria happy).

>>36610973
>Sai has bronze-gold tails with black streaks; Dain and Naite have vivid silver tails (more of a platinum colour) with a black base and tip.

On a 1-10 scale how big of a "what the hell?" will this cause with Taira and Vad?

>they're going to launch a charm offensive.

Lets see what we can get out of them.

I see Gespad is still part of the RSK. Any reason they didnt join the other two rebeling factions near them?

>>36611091
That is something Talon noticed a while back actually. When Fenix showed how the RSK would break down.

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>>36610973
>and the man-portable scorpions
Fuck yeah son.

What about the whole standardizing our military uniform thing? Is that mostly a fluff bit or something that would confer bonuses in any way?

>>36611140
I honestly assume at this point that it's already pretty standard.

>>36610973
Just to be sure we have got a familiar contract with Aladria right? I could of sworn we did off screen at some point. Also we really should ask her about her sire. Since it seems odd she doesn't seem to have anything against Talon for killing him.

So, in the interest of stimulating discussion, I think we should talk about who we want to suggest Lyra takes as her master. Here are the options:
Adele Genedarme: Member of the Tower of Harrowmont. Loyal to talon, and probably sleeping with him. Described as Talented, but we don't know how much power she actually has.
Archmagister Holland: Head of the Tower of Holly (not Holland, my bad). Loyal to Talon, dislikes royalty and the Royalty of Farun in particular (though this might have changed with the way the nobles murdered the king and wrecked her country, and the Princess now cleaning up their mess).
Sarah Hawkins: Extremely talented, but currently rather weak.
Archmagister Saril: Head of the Tower of Kassick, a summoner tower. Loyal to Talon, and is running the Imperial Battlemage training program (IIRC, I could be wrong). May have a Familiar.
Grand Magister Spoker: Old enough to be rather powerful, but not particularly talented in the grand scheme of things. Politically shrewd, and knows which side his bread is buttered. May have a familiar.
Some random Magister or archmagister of Shroopham. Powerful enough, not that loyal, if at all.

>>36611211
We going to want a grand magister. That way we can use her powers efficiently.

>>36611236
That's basically Spoker or Some asshole we can't trust then. And Spoker is weaker than Mal

>>36611211

Whomever is the most apt within the IECs. Having a talented Magister that focuses on construction is the best way to utilize her talents.

Really we don't even need to go straight to Magister, if someone is talented enough, has the future potential, and can progress with and under her that's all the better. That way we gain two longer term units with a deeper connection, then one that might not be around as longer and has last time to foster a relationship. After all did wonders for Gnome and her former master.

>>36611269
>Mal

Pretty much every mage in the empire is weaker then Mal so that's kind of like saying a bomb dropped out of a bomber is weaker then the Tsar bomba.

Aspirational you mentioned that summoning familiars is becoming more common place within the Empire. Willing to expand on that? I'd think it was a common practice before, but perhaps I was wrong. What's the benefit to it, other then the obvious, drawbacks?

Side questions regarding familiars. Will Bartom ever get to see Gnome again, because that's hysterical. Are Bartom's siblings still active? Could we summon them? If so, does Arail possess the magical ability to summon his Air Elemental brother if helped by Mal or Saril?

>>36611342
Yup, and Mal can't (currently) maintaine Salamander at a level equivelent to Lyra

>>36611368
Yep, and Salamander is absurdly more powerful then she is at max.

>>36610973
>Most of them
There are exceptions?
Oh, random question, but have you managed to flesh out the Mage Guard more? Because to me, it looks like the most powerful person personally after Slyvan is probably a mage. Which I find hilarious

>>36611348
We know arail actually is a decent enough mage to get a mid tier familiar. So he might be able to get a decent air elemental.

>>36611430
...My point is that Spoker probably couldn't power up Lyra fully, which leaves some asshole from Shropham.

>>36611462
She does have a different cap though and it isn't like it really matters if we are BFFs with the guy so long as she is efficient at what she does.

>>36608041
>Islands
I want to conquer them...

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>>36611211
>Adele Genedarme
It occurs to me that I never gave any of the Gendarmes' ages. Adele's probably still a journeywoman but is quite powerful. Probably around half-strength at first.

>Archmagister Saril
has a familiar.

>Grand Magister Spoker and Sarah
Won't leave Vitria and Larrya is focused on Shropham.

>Holland
Could support her near full strength. Would leave her at arms length compared to Adele, however.

>>36611348
>summoning familiars is becoming more common place within the Empire. What's the benefit to it, other then the obvious, drawbacks?
Many mages don't bother summoning a familiar because it requries a lot of research and time, and means they land someone who will permanently intrude on their life. That and many familiars aren't tremendously powerful - for every Gnome or Laryya, there are fifty Bartoms and a hundred sprites for every Bartom. If Gareth had summoned a familiar without Mal he would ahve gotten a sprite, as most mages do.

As for why it's more common, Mal and Saril have been spreading the knowledge to mages who are interested, particularly the League ones coming over.

>Are Bartom's siblings still active?
Only pure elementals have the sibling thing because normal elementals don't take as long to form. The whole point of it is so that pure elementals don't take decades to become active.

Arail could summon a mid-greater air elemental with help.

>>36611368
If Mal had Laryya he could maintain her at full power. Sala and her sisters are just harder to handle in general (you lose efficiency simply from trying to handle too much power).

>>36611440
>There are exceptions?
In the past, yes. The Archangels used to hand out the Sword of Order, an artifact that granted the angel's reality-bending astral power, to the head Warden if they were talented enough. This last happened around the start of the Golden Age, though they may have stopped giving them the sword for political reasons (namely, all the crazy shit they did in the Golden Age).

>>36611663
>As for why it's more common, Mal and Saril have been spreading the knowledge to mages who are interested

Based Mal.

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>>36611440
>Because to me, it looks like the most powerful person personally after Slyvan is probably a mage.
Almost certainly, once you take the foxes out of the picture. Except that mage could be killed by the wardens quite easily.

>>36611185
>Just to be sure we have got a familiar contract with Aladria right?
Yes, you made a proper contract instead of the primal one.

>Since it seems odd she doesn't seem to have anything against Talon for killing him.
Given her physical age and her sly comment about her master when you first met her (I did leave that in, right?), there might be a good reason for that.

>>36611091
Falwick and Asfael have no influence over Gespad, which has historical links to the RSK. Why Darvui didn't seize it is another matter - Fenix probably deployed a lot of resources around Worremburg to keep it as it is an important trade network.

>>36611088
>On a 1-10 scale how big of a "what the hell?" will this cause with Taira and Vad?
Vad is a 10, Taira about a 7. Taira is mostly surprised about the multi-coloured tails than the fact that they have new colours.

>>36609204
>3. The greatest hotspring in the history of Gauron.

You've gone too far Blackwater! You'll destroy everything!

>>36611663
>Adele or Holland

I'd say Adele because of the relationship they could build. We're building for the long term, lots of potential to cultivate.

>Archmagister Saril has a familiar.

What kind? What's their name?

>Arail could summon a mid-greater air elemental with help.

Based on assumptions would his other affinity be Fire? So it would come down to whether we want to amp up his fire power during fly byes or support abilities with an air elemental. Actually how much would summoning a Familiar help him? Put him a good head above the other generals?

>As for why it's more common, Mal and Saril have been spreading the knowledge to mages who are interested, particularly the League ones coming over.

Curious, are any Knights becoming interested? They seem to like to follow in Talon's footsteps, and seeing Gnome and him fight together would certainly be inspirational.

>>36611779
>Vad is a 10, Taira about a 7.

On a scale of 1 to 10 how proud is Vad of his own breeding stock now?

>>36611779
>Vad is a 10, Taira about a 7

We should screw with Vad here. "What did you expect your kids to be normal when someone like me is around to show them the way?"

Though speaking of Vad when will Noah be showing up?

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>>36611831
>What kind? What's their name?
An infernohound, which is a spirit beast. Basically a big, shaggy dog with golden-white hair that can burst into flame and breathe fire. About the same level as Bartom in terms of familiars.

>Based on assumptions would his other affinity be Fire?
Water, actually. Arail is a thinker, which sometimes works against him in his line of work.

>Actually how much would summoning a Familiar help him? Put him a good head above the other generals?
Air elemental would essentially boost his combat ability whereas water would give him more utility and diversity.

>Curious, are any Knights becoming interested?
The problem with knights doing it is that it's still formal magic. It's one thing to help a mage that already knows how to cast a ritual but something else entirely to each a knight who isn't even evocating.

>>36611877
Given his suspicion over Talon's influence, probably not super high.

>>36611779
>Almost certainly, once you take the foxes out of the picture. Except that mage could be killed by the wardens quite easily.
I more meant that when we fight them any boss battles seem likley to be another mage, which is quite ironic. Well, unless the Archangels hand out the Sword of Order to a warden fighting us for some odd reason. Or they have some sort of knockoff.

Speaking of the Sword of Order, how much would we have to put Rapheal in our debt in order for her to agree to granting it to a warden of our choice? And would that have an interesting effect on the Mage guard internal dynamic?

>>36611831
Knights in general suck with magic so they probably wouldn't get much good.

>I'd say Adele because of the relationship they could build. We're building for the long term, lots of potential to cultivate.

Personally I just say which ever mage is strong enough to keep her efficient and able keep her on shropham. Larrya is pretty one tracked mentally.

>>36611779
>her sly comment about her master when you first met her (I did leave that in, right?)

Not that I remember. I remember her talking about divine and then pouting about failing to enthrall Talon then getting beat down.

Which reminds me what is Felix's enthrallment method anyway?

>>36608317
>there's some native fantastic creatures
Didn't we at one point establish that horse based cavalry is bleh in a magic world and we would like to instead get genuine fantastic magical creatures as cavelry? like, wyvern rider corps or giant shock lizard cavalry, etc.

>>36612098
It could be useful. Honestly the biggest issue is we would have to armor them. I mean riding a giant lizard is fine and all until a LMK takes a sword though it's legs.

>>36608341
>the world is round and you can sail south from Gauron to reach Pharos (though it’s a longer trip) but you can’t sail east to Pharos because all the ships that try vanish. The same issue applies if you sail west from Pharos to reach Gauron.
mysterious. very mysterious. I bet there is something terrible there that is a threat to the whole world.

>>36612200
Actually this post reminds me. There was once four continents in the world and four divine races. So I think I have a good idea why the archangels don't stay there for long.

>>36612098

I still want Talon to start breeding his own creatures, since we known the RSK has magically laced horses. Breeding Gyrfalcons or wardogs sounds cool as fuck.

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>>36611980
>Though speaking of Vad when will Noah be showing up?
Whenever I remember to include her in a scene.

>>36612046
>Speaking of the Sword of Order, how much would we have to put Rapheal in our debt in order for her to agree to granting it to a warden of our choice?
I can't see that happening. For one thing, you can't guarantee that the warden could even use the sword properly. Raphael probably wouldn't like handing the sword out at random (effectively).

>Or they have some sort of knockoff.
The closest they could get is an enchanted weapon or item that makes their Arts more powerful. The Sword of Order is literally impossible to replicate as it embodies a universal concept.

>>36612055
>Not that I remember. I remember her talking about divine and then pouting about failing to enthrall Talon then getting beat down.
Yeah, I suspect I left it out due to the fact that Aladria already has some undertones that people might not appreciate.

>Which reminds me what is Felix's enthrallment method anyway?
He doesn't know and hasn't tried to find out.

>>36612224
I've dropped so many hints about Pharos it should be reasonably obvious.

>>36608618
>The Sithran Mtns ones are no go thanks to the shadow beasts
wait what? there are shadow beasts in the sithran mountains? aren't the a huge risk and should be stamped out ASAP?

>>36612230
Honestly feels like a waste to me. Be much more efficient to use magic to build creatures.

>>36611981
You know this does make me wonder how Ren will react to this that is if he finds out.

>>36611642
We all do. Unfortunately, its apparently split between two powers we aren't at war with yet. Attacking them both would be incredibly stupid.
>>36611981
>An infernohound, which is a spirit beast. Basically a big, shaggy dog with golden-white hair that can burst into flame and breathe fire. About the same level as Bartom in terms of familiars.
You can use a random name generator if you want.

>>36612300
>Aladria already has some undertones that people might not appreciate.
>/tg/

I wouldn't be too worried.

>Whenever I remember to include her in a scene.

I'll make sure to bug you to remember. I kind of want to see her reaction to her brother having children now.

>>36612343
>We all do. Unfortunately, its apparently split between two powers we aren't at war with yet. Attacking them both would be incredibly stupid.
Actually, most of them are simply uninhabited, the two powers have SMALL colonies there. If we are willing to invest in it, we could probably finance a colonization effort and simply dominate most of those islands that way... of course that is mostly a waste of money.

>>36612317
>Honestly feels like a waste to me. Be much more efficient to use magic to build creatures.

That's basically what you're doing, only via breeding +magic. It would be more of a hobby then something done purely for purpose. If the RSK nobles get to have their fun with horses I don't see why Talon can't do something similar.

>>36612230
I guess this is something we can add to our research's to do list.
But it is very much a long long long term project compared to domesticating existing magical creatures.

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>>36612305
This got mentioned ages ago when Gnome was first brought up, but yeah, the lower levels of the Sithran Mountains are a refuge for a number of shadow beasts that managed to slip past the Magi Line mountains and take refuge. The dwarves keep them at bay with little difficulty and knightly orders like to go in and blood themselves like their ancestors from time to time.

The main problem with stamping them out is that the tunnels underneath the mountains are huge and it would take years or decades for a large force to weed out all the beasts.

>>36612343
>You can use a random name generator if you want.
I spent an hour yesterday making up all the names for the Mage Guard provinces. Saril's familiar can wait until he's vaguely relevant.

And the name of Shropham's Grand Magister who was overwhelmed with magic is Bob Smith. He was very unhappy over his family's refusal to change their traditional surname to match their long, storied history and the fact that they actually named him 'Bob' instead of 'Robert' simply because that's what everybody called his father, grandfather, great grandfather etc anyway.

>>36612317
>You know this does make me wonder how Ren will react to this that is if he finds out.
He'd be keeping a very close eye. And probably being jealous over the fact that he's 'Chief Ren' and you're 'Uncle Talon'.

>>36608618
>Also the fact that he can't fight people without sapping their power, meaning his ability to fight isn't his own anymore.
he could go luchadore route. broken bones aren't open wounds to sap power from.

>>36612300
>For one thing, you can't guarantee that the warden could even use the sword properly. Raphael probably wouldn't like handing the sword out at random (effectively).
Presumably we'd basically chose the most powerful and talented member of Sylvian's faction. You've mentioned that the Wardens are actually split ideologically. One of the hopeful upsides is to basically form our own, non insane, Warden order with blackjack and hookers, while basically discrediting the Hardliners.

>>36612395
>of course that is mostly a waste of money.

Building a naval base of operations to further our dominance of the eastern ocean is a waste of money both militarily and financially is a waste of money?

>>36612453
2 things.

1) Hol up Rapheal is a chick? U wot m8? I thought it was a dude forever... This changes everything. EVERYTHING.

2) Can we expect to have a dedicated unit of summoners any time soon? How large and powerful would it need to be effective?

>>36612453
>Dat spoiler

My ribs.

>He'd be keeping a very close eye. And probably being jealous over the fact that he's 'Chief Ren' and you're 'Uncle Talon'.

You know we really should try to mend Ren and Vad's relationship. They seemed to have been pretty bro at one point.

>>36612453
>And the name of Shropham's Grand Magister who was overwhelmed with magic is Bob Smith. He was very unhappy over his family's refusal to change their traditional surname to match their long, storied history and the fact that they actually named him 'Bob' instead of 'Robert' simply because that's what everybody called his father, grandfather, great grandfather etc anyway.
Nice touch.

>>36612453

>spoiler

Your hatred of naming things will never cease to amuse me.

>>36612489
We really should start building on the water bases when we get stronger. That way we can go to the mid point of pharos and just park.

>>36609124
>AAs have a lot of difficulty with powerful magical wards and warded armour.
This reminds me, now that we gave out the secret to AA (and the fact various world powers were researching ways to duplicate it anyways), we should probably direct our MMK research on those "wards against ranged weapons" route (in the old research document it was one of the two possible routes for MMK to go). This will be invaluable once AA become standard throughout the world.

>>36612595

This is just me, but I see establishing naval dominance as just as valid a route as attacking the Mage Guard/RSK/etc. Don't get me wrong our homefront would be important still, but starting early and slowly reaching up towards Malataine's level before we get to them seems smart. We have a considerable coastline, and the canal is going to bring in some business, therefore a lot of seabound assets to protect, or tax, or make money off of on our island resort/refuel/whatever station.

>>36612453
>ealous over the fact that he's 'Chief Ren' and you're 'Uncle Talon'.

You know would Vad's kids really be in his clan anymore? He has pretty much up and joined the empire fully at this point.

>>36612600

We did speak about this a little earlier.

Hey Aspirational what's the status on this sort of enchantment? Would we need to nick some Spellbreaker Knights stuff to get it worked out via reverse engineering? Buy the pattern? Start from scratch(seeing as the current method is bordering obsolete anyway)? Is it something we could just apply to our MKs at large or would they need to be their own unit? That seems a good question regarding new units and such.

>>36610205
>So it's clear that everybody wants to grab both Balkarin PoPs. I'm not sure if anybody wants to do much about the Guard or the RSK before sounding them out, though.
I had an idea bout the RSK, they give us gespad, then we both gang up on that rebel archmage in guelberg and horijessel. With talon taking (and keeping) guelberg and RSK taking horijessel.
We end up getting 2 more territories, the RSK gets to close off a front and then focus on their trouble to the east.

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>>36612409
>mfw I never got to make the "Talon's Breeding Bitches" joke

>>36612591
Honestly, I'm surprised he doesn't just outsource it to us. Stealing from your players for character ideas is completly legitimate, as long as you change things up just enough to throw us off the trail.
>>36612300
>The closest they could get is an enchanted weapon or item that makes their Arts more powerful. The Sword of Order is literally impossible to replicate as it embodies a universal concept.
Well, if those enchanted weapons were made by archangels or the angelic equivalent of Great Knights, then that could help quite a bit I imagine.

>>36612802
>on their trouble to the east.
i meant west.

>>36612823

It's okay Anon, maybe one day. Maybe one day.

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>>36612523
>1) Hol up Rapheal is a chick?
What Raphael is is up to interpretation. IC, Raphael is a 'he'. I just used 'her' a few times because I'm terrible at the super-sekret thing. Samael is definitely a girl, though. Insofar as angels have gender.

>2) Can we expect to have a dedicated unit of summoners any time soon?
I'll probably review that along with military units in general over the next week and a half.

>>36612479
>You've mentioned that the Wardens are actually split ideologically.
Yeah, and Irlin is very much a moderate. To use a US political example, he's basically a (formerly) working-class Republican candidate. He pulls in both sides of the divide but drives away the extremes (except when they hold their nose and support him over the other guy).

>>36612591
I could argue that Shropham was a case of not wanting to humanise a monster, but yeah, I just hate naming things. Names lend themsevles an image to me and RNGs tend to be bad at that for obvious reasons but the names I create tend to be silly anyway.

>>36612765
Vad's officially clanless like Fuurin and all the foxes working for the Eastern Winds Trading Company. Naturally, his kids are clanless too. Not that any of the other foxes treat them poorly as a result. Tsucchi would probably make a snide comment about it being better this way.

>>36612797
Building anti-magic wards into MMK plate would jsut be a major research project for your machinists. I'm leaning towards research being a case of making mutually exclusive decisions on time-consuming research (kind of like paths, but not). The RSK would be the best place to go for anti-ranged/magic wards as the Guard have mostly focused on their disruption ward style (which is firmly anti-magic, less anti-ranged).

>>36612842
>Honestly, I'm surprised he doesn't just outsource it to us.
Feel free to make up names, then. I probably will just take them if I like them.

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>>36612842
>Well, if those enchanted weapons were made by archangels or the angelic equivalent of Great Knights
Whilst the angels made a lot of weapons and stuff (it's something they were very good at), anything lying around is junk because only angels can use it. The Sword of Order is a big deal because it's the only real exception, potentially granting true angelic power to humans.

>>36612802
I'm sure Fenix would be interested in negotiating over that, althoguh Alyce might get upset. Also, I wouldn't underestmate Darvui.

>>36610973
>man-portable scorpions
the what now?

>>36610973
>Pretty normal. Lyyph is mostly spreading his control and standardising all the rules, laws etc across the territory. He's turning Termina into the centre of law and order and Avinou into the agricultural and trade hub of the region (not for manufactures, though, keeping Vitria happy).
Lyyph continues to impress, I am glad we took him on.

>>36612972
How accurate is this description?

>My literal headcanon of Falwick is a fuck huge brute thats always pinkish red from constant anger and forthing at the mouth at all times even when he speaks.

>Like literally every time he talks froth flies out in every direction

>His helmet is shaped in the form of a snarling dog and he has "Top Dog" painted right on his chest in blood.

>>36613052
Yeah until he shanks us in the balls.

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>>36612842

I tend to name most of the stuff I send Aspirational. Or give names to things that otherwise wouldn't have them. I like naming things.

Speaking of. Here is Harrow's Gate. Because someone requested a Mier fortress, and then someone else suggested build a fortress wall from Marnn to unpassable terrain north to south, and west to east on lower Mier. I personally like the idea, despite it being another other of those engineering feats, but it sounds fun.

Anyway, Harrow's Gate is basically another play on Star-forts, along the lines of Fort George in Scotland. Lots of uses of layering, lots of working off of having foxes able to teleport units out of fire should their bunkers be over taken. The main defense along the canal itself are the two giant ass gatehouses, and the castle the straddles the canal with maybe another gate for shits and gigs. Thus the name.

Subject to change, subject to never being a real thing, etc. I just like making stuff now.

>>36611779
>Yes, you made a proper contract instead of the primal one.
can you further explain this whole contract thing?
I get the feeling this is more than just a legalese document written on paper like you would have when say, renting an apartment.

>>36612972
Would Talon actually IC know about this sword? Though personally I feel if we do get a favor from them it should be used on picking their brain for source cheats.

>'m sure Fenix would be interested in negotiating over that, althoguh Alyce might get upset. Also, I wouldn't underestmate Darvui.

That is honestly something I would be interested in negotiating. We already won points from our dear Alyce due to protecting shropham so I'm pretty sure we could deal with her.

Random question.

How did Talon canonically know about Griffons? At least to the point to wanting one on his standard (and obsession with wanting to bring them back magically or not to use as badass battlemounts?)

>>36613083
Eh, Honestly he is just a really ambitious guy. As long as we give him something to do we shouldn't have to worry. Talon is excellent with people like him.

>>36613217
>At least to the point to wanting one on his standard (and obsession with wanting to bring them back magically or not to use as badass battlemounts?)

That would be /tg/ which contrary to belief doesn't stand for "Totally Gay" but actually "Totally Griffons" or Gryphons if you want to get real fucking fancy

>>36612300
>The closest they could get is an enchanted weapon or item that makes their Arts more powerful.
>The Sword of Order is literally impossible to replicate as it embodies a universal concept.
interesting. VERY interesting
I wonder if that is how that antimagic blade works
... and I now also wonder what other universal concepts can be made into unique impossible to replicate weapons.

>>36612453
>The main problem with stamping them out is that the tunnels underneath the mountains are huge and it would take years or decades for a large force to weed out all the beasts.
ok, thanks for clarifying
but now that we know, how is that actually a problem for talon to snag himself that pop?
in fact, the shadowbeasts there serve as a line of defense against someone else snagging it. and it is a perfect chance to experience some genuine shadowbeast combat as well as testing the AA on them.
As such, I would advocate we take a trip there to bind that pop. and in fact, that is the pop I think we should bind to talon

>>36612912
>Feel free to make up names, then. I probably will just take them if I like them.
For Saril's familiar I would recommend Cinder or Spark. For others, well, it would depend on what their characters are.
Famous knight or grandmaster: I'd probably turn to Arthurian legend for inspiration. (Any particular reason why the Mage Guard attack force didn't have any knights incidentally?)
Mage: Either down to earth, or fanciful, one or the other. Morgana is a good name for a female mage I think.
Asteral Adepts: Puns on historical gods of course.
In general, puns work well really
>>36613171
>That is honestly something I would be interested in negotiating. We already won points from our dear Alyce due to protecting shropham so I'm pretty sure we could deal with her.
I'd be strongly against it.

>>36612453
>And the name of Shropham's Grand Magister who was overwhelmed with magic is Bob Smith. He was very unhappy over his family's refusal to change their traditional surname to match their long, storied history and the fact that they actually named him 'Bob' instead of 'Robert' simply because that's what everybody called his father, grandfather, great grandfather etc anyway.
hahahahaha

>>36613171
Though thinking about it now if we got any land from that it would be deep in RSK territory and thus hard to make work. If we wanted anything I would go after Asfael. Though I suppose we could do two deals. The big thing is I don't trust Falwick down there and the more the RSK fights the absurdly competent mage the weaker they will be.

>>36613271
>and I now also wonder what other universal concepts can be made into unique impossible to replicate weapons.
>Other Universal Concepts

>Sword of the Dickings

>Legendary blade forged by the angels in a forgotten time. Embodies the concepts of the head smith Angel Descartes.

>>36612489
it is at this point in time. when we have conquered much of the continent we are currently in, then it becomes a valuable strategic base.

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>>36613019
See the picture at:
>>36611140

>>36613060
If AEQ were more light-hearted in its action, that would be very accurate. As it is, he's a barely restrained ball of rage and destruction. Fuck huge brute is pretty accurate, he's like 2.5m tall before he puts on his armour and is almost as wide as he is tall, and it's all muscle. More cold, ruthless anger than frothing madness - he's the sort of person who would physically injure somebody for being sarcastic and is kind of crazy in battle. My mental image for him is basically a Dragon Age ogre but with more armour and a massive axe.

>>36613154
It's a little more rubbery than that as it only exists in spirit (there is no letter of the law). They usually boil down to an agreement for the mage to supply power in exchange for the familiar not doing certain things, with the implication that if the familiar also fails to fulfill the general obligation of service then they fail the contract.

Actually breaching the contract is lethal or close to it, but that's hard to do because it can be cancelled relatively easily and it warns people that are close to doing so. Mind you, if Aladria cancelled it then the primal contract would come back into force and it's a tad more restraining (as the spirit is enforced by what Talon wants, meaning she'd probably be less mentally capable of refusing).

>>36613271
>... and I now also wonder what other universal concepts can be made into unique impossible to replicate weapons.
Saving the world from unspeakable evil.
The hatred, pain and desperation of an entire plane of existence.
Sacrifice.

Not really universal, but Items of Power are conceptual in nature. The Sword of Order is slightly more special because it is universal (due to the way the angels created it) but the generic concept actually makes it weaker than the specific ones.

>>36612523
>1) Hol up Rapheal is a chick? U wot m8? I thought it was a dude forever... This changes everything. EVERYTHING.
Angels are supposedly like ken dolls down there, and the terms he and she is used for them by various individual interchangeably since the angels themselves never clarify, so people go based on what they believe

>>36613331
>I'd be strongly against it.

Well personally I say it depends on the time. The big thing right now is building up for the mage guard. If we got a chance I would say getting into a agreement with Fenix to help bump off a rival would be worth it. But only if it wouldn't negatively effect our build up with the mage guard. That's my thoughts at least.

>>36612562
>You know we really should try to mend Ren and Vad's relationship. They seemed to have been pretty bro at one point.
I agree, especially now that we found out more about the fox rulership and that basically I am wishing really really hard we had 12 rens to go around. The least we can do is apologize to that one and start working with him and fixing up the deep issues the foxes have

>>36613380
>spoiler

We're fucked.

>>36613380
Just thought I would mention it, but the new factions don't have capitols on the map.

>>36613380
You know this does make me curious how one even builds a item of power. Could be useful to have one or forty of them.

>>36612912
>Building anti-magic wards into MMK plate
not anti magic, anti arrow.
the original research doc you put up had a choice on the MMK for 2 mutually exclusive future research paths. one of them was wards vs arrows and other physical ranged attacks (which incidentally would protect against enemies with AA)

>>36612972
>Whilst the angels made a lot of weapons and stuff (it's something they were very good at), anything lying around is junk because only angels can use it
Even the sword of sharpness +1 and the armor of being hard to kill?

>>36613412
>The least we can do is apologize to that one

Nah, Personally I can't really see Talon doing that. He would probably just think they both got too heated but wouldn't really see a issue. What Talon needs to do is get Ren and him alone with some food and just talk. Talon needs to make him feel like it's a good idea for him and Talon to ally.

>>36613486

The basic idea is creating a two in one enhancement. Anti-magic/warded plate that canceled out the enhancements on the arrow would effectively become anti-ranged, and then the rest of the plates enchantments would handle the otherwise mundane arrow at that point.

>>36613060
my sides

captcha: purty

>>36613083
>Yeah until he shanks us in the balls.
I am honestly not seeing him as being insane enough to pick shit with talon once it becomes apparent that talon has astral power (since at that point most would assume him to be the fourth lord)
Unless we greviously mistreat him.

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>>36613112
Remember that only six-tail-plus foxes can teleport. I wouldn't rely too heavily on having of those, let alone six-tail-plus foxes that have trained to be able to teleport many people at once. Pride is probably the only Gauron clan that has any number of them.

>>36613171
>Would Talon actually IC know about this sword?
Gnome knows about it. It's also a rather famous legend, as it features heavily in myths and legends about the Great Fae Marches.

>>36613217
He probably read about them when he was adventuring and decided they would be the way he'd distinguish himself from all those other wanna-be emperors.

>>36613319
Well, fighting through a massive horde of shadowbeasts requries you to take along an army or take a lot of risks with a small party. So it's not the easy hop-skip-and-jump that some people have previously suggested taknig a PoP would be.

I'm mostly trying to differentiate the PoPs so that seizing them aren't all dungeon-dives.

>>36613331
>Any particular reason why the Mage Guard attack force didn't have any knights incidentally?
The Guard don't have as many noble knights and they tend to be either in Sylvian's faction or attached to the military itself (and thus not prone to going on a fit of fancy and pillaging a neighbour).

>>36613462
Ah, you're right. I'll fix that shortly.

>>36613495
Angels don't so much make enchanted items as they make items that do specific things when supplied with angelic power. So the Sword of Sharpness +1 is basically just a sword that has a rote spell built into it that is cast when fed enough tokens (angelic power).

>>36613412

I always sort of figured the best way to getting to Ren would be for Talon to show a little bit of humbleness. Ren knows his shit, Talon asking him for advice or being taught the inner workings of the clan politics might help show Ren the genuine interest Talon has in integrating his people into the Empire. Granted we'd need to way to balance this so Ren doesn't get too big headed over this.

>>36613602
>Pride is probably the only Gauron clan that has any number of them.

We will be meeting with the leader so it could be useful to try and snag a few. Which reminds me does Fuurin have any teleportation skills?

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>>36611663
>a hundred sprites for every Bartom. If Gareth had summoned a familiar without Mal he would ahve gotten a sprite, as most mages do.
what is wrong with having a sprite as a familiar?

also, I wonder if we should encourage vampires as familiars considering how ridiculously efficient they are in terms of power consumption compared to any other familiar choice.

>>36613351
dickings are a universal concept?

captcha: philadel ahdoith (... Ah Do It H)

>>36613608
I kind of feel the opposite here. Ren is like Talon in many ways. I think Talon should go for usefulness not Humbleness. Giving a inch will just lead to him taking as much as he can like Talon would generally do. So we need to get something personal going on or something that makes Ren think Talon would be useful to him.

>>36612972
>I'm sure Fenix would be interested in negotiating over that, althoguh Alyce might get upset. Also, I wouldn't underestmate Darvui.
Nice

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>>36613602
>Well, fighting through a massive horde of shadowbeasts requries you to take along an army or take a lot of risks with a small party. So it's not the easy hop-skip-and-jump that some people have previously suggested taknig a PoP would be.
Oh, I didn't think it would be easy to fight shadowbeasts, those things are beasts!
I just think really want to bind that one and think it is the ideal one to bind to talon since the shadowbeasts provide excellent defense against someone else sneaking in and severing the connection.

>>36613602
>Great Fae Marches.
what are those?

>>36613814
That is brilliant anon. If we could actually get there without dying we could just wait for them to repopulate from the other tunnels then laugh as they become our guard dogs.

>>36613760
See the Fox training room. (which we can probably extend to other people. Change the rules so they don't get sleepy, or run out of mana, so mages and knights can practice more.)

>>36613833
900 years ago or so the fae slapped the shit out of Gauron. Then Kushan showed up and slapped the shit out of the fae. Then Kushan slapped the shit out of everyone. Then everyone ganged up and got the shit slapped out of them but killed Kushan somehow.

What ever happened to the rest of the dwarven settlements? Did they pull a DA:O and get wrecked by darkspawn/shadowbeasts?

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>slightly updated world map

>>36613482
They're either very dedicated works or completely accidental. If Malataine's Knight-General Lysander's armour is an Item of Power then that would be the most recent Item of Power to be made. Many of them date back to the Golden Age, Kushan or even pre-Cataclysm.

>>36613486
Well, that's mostly just protecting more against physical attacks. I'll probably be more specific about it once I actually finalise research.

>>36613686
>Which reminds me does Fuurin have any teleportation skills?
Of course. He's long-range individual teleportation, however. Kind of like Karise.

>>36613696
>what is wrong with having a sprite as a familiar?
Many mages are a prideful lot and worry that they'd be embarrassed by them. Plus, they would probably look at the research involved and consider that a poor payoff.

>I wonder if we should encourage vampires as familiars considering how ridiculously efficient they are in terms of power consumption
You'd have to work out how to do it, first. Talon could only do it because you already had the primal contract and Alyce's trick is pretty significant.

>>36613833
900PC-950PC - The Great Fae Marches. The mages say that the faeries nearly conquered Gauron, until the Great Mage Kushan pushed them back. Some knightly orders claim that they trace their founding back to this great war.

The Wardens were founded during this and the concept of Fae Blessings also came about.

>>36613908
>but killed Kushan somehow.
or did they?

>>36613886
It could also be useful to grant some people immortality. Imagine keeping the top tier knights there only now they don't age until they leave so they can live to be 100+ years old and look like their 30.

>>36613908

I enjoy the amount of shit slapping in this story, tell me more.

>>36613933
BlackWater is Kushan while also simultaneously being our dick

>>36613927
>Karise

That does remind me. How often can she teleport herself? She seems to spam it a lot.

>>36613696
>also, I wonder if we should encourage vampires as familiars considering how ridiculously efficient they are in terms of power consumption compared to any other familiar choice.

The thing with vampires though is they will probably be much more willful then elementals. When you really think on it elementals are pretty much designed so that they need the mage. Vampires could just cancel the contract at anytime and wouldn't have any issue supporting themselves.

>>36613927
I realize the Taurian islands are rather unfinished, but have you figured out their rough population or the number of cities?

>>36613954
>It could also be useful to grant some people immortality
I have previously suggested that talon create and maintain a "fountain of youth" hotspring where anyone who bathes in it regains youth up to their physical prime.
This would be an incredibly valuable resource for future negotiations and enticement.

>>36614008
I honestly think the most enjoyable part is that Kushan bitch slapped the archangels. I can just imagine this big evil bearded mage jumping up and back handing them.

>>36614027
>BlackWater is Kushan
>while also simultaneously being our dick

Talons dick confirmed for most powerful thing on the planet now.

>>36614108

I wonder if that idea falls under time manipulation though and the further restrictions of the idea itself.

>>36613696

Well once the blood sub becomes a thing it may become redundant. Perhaps if they established a mutually beneficial relationship, say a Knight and a Vampire working in tandem in may happen, but I'd imagine they'd rather stay self sufficient.

Speaking of, how is the blood substitute research coming along?

>>36614081
>Vampires could just cancel the contract at anytime and wouldn't have any issue supporting themselves.
well, at the moment they do kinda need that
but we are going full steam ahead with that blood replacement research after talon (/tg/'s anon that is) figured out the first principles for it. (actual research is done by actual research mages, not talon himself, he only came up with the hypothesis).
so, once that is done (which IIRC is about 6 months from now) vamps will potentially no longer benefit from that much (it is still a boost to their power)

incidentally, I bet being proven right on that one would net talon an FR point.

>>36614108
Depends honestly if it would work outside of the place. If it does then Oh, Nellie we could keep our knights alive for a long time.

>>36614170
>I wonder if that idea falls under time manipulation
why would youth fall under time manipulation. you are making alteration to the biology of a person to cure systemic degredation.
Furthermore, this is something that many archmages already figure out how to do for their own body. the difference here is that he would be doing it to the bodies of others. Alyce for example, has eternal youth and will only die when killed. but can't apply it to another person

>>36614170
>Perhaps if they established a mutually beneficial relationship, say a Knight and a Vampire working in tandem in may happen
I was under the impression that having a familiar/being a familiar provided a power boost to BOTH individuals. This is probably why mercenie is alyce's familiar despite being a powerful transmuter in her own right.

>>36614170
>I wonder if that idea falls under time manipulation though and the further restrictions of the idea itself.

I wouldn't think so. He isn't turning back time so much as taking your body and reversing your biological aging. If Ember can turn a man into a 9 foot tall immortal giant and sorcery can stop your aging I can't see why having infinite astral power couldn't deage someone.
>>36614175
Depending on when that research started. The date was like 500 days last I checked. So it depends on how Aspirational does the new research.

>>36614193
>Depends honestly if it would work outside of the place.
Do you mean "if someone smuggled the water out" or do you mean "do they re-age once they leave the area".
Obviously them NOT re-aging is a requirement for it to be of much worth. And there is no reason for it to not be possible to make the changes such that they won't re-age. since after all, things created inside the zone can go into the rest of the world as long as they can exist in normal unaltered reality.

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>>36614090
The islands don't have any real cities. The colonies might have a large-ish town or three. Perhaps 100,000 people, including the islanders?

On the other hand, I do have a better idea of Pharos demographics (despite the difficulty of comparing historical information due to the general ability of ancient China to starve half its population to death with frightening regularity).

4.2m sq miles land mass.
Population of 800m.
40m urban population.
155 cities, population of 10m.
15000 towns, population of 30m.

Not all cities will be represented on the map as they tend to be smaller than Gauron cities (for reference: 84 cities, population of 20m, in a total of population of 300m).

>>36614146
>I honestly think the most enjoyable part is that Kushan bitch slapped the archangels.
Well, it's really that a young Samael asked him (naively) to stop and he just bitchslapped her.

>>36614170
>Speaking of, how is the blood substitute research coming along?
Poorly. They're having difficulty putting enough power into the substitute to actually satisfy the vampires without requiring them to drink literal gallons of it each day. They have a worknig substitute but it's not viable.

>>36614255
>I was under the impression that having a familiar/being a familiar provided a power boost to BOTH individuals.
The familiar is the only one that gets power. The master merely gets the implicit guarantee of the familiar doing what they ask them to.

>>36614222
The thing there is that it is stopping aging not deaging. We have seen one but not the other. I mean personally I can't see why it would be impossible but there might be something we don't know about. If it isn't impossible then time for a lot of fun.

>>36614255
They drain mana from the mage mostly. Merce and Alyce is basically married at this point. Though I imagine being able to drain power from the archmage helps merce in a tight spot.

>>36614320
>The familiar is the only one that gets power. The master merely gets the implicit guarantee of the familiar doing what they ask them to.
doesn't the constant strain of maintaining the mana flow to the familiar help the master develop their mana better?

>>36614296
Well if they would reage they could stay inside. I mean if someone told me I would be immortal but would need to stay inside a keep and defend it I wouldn't say know if I was like 80. Though you do bring up a good point with if it's natural outside.

Kind of makes me want to see what would happen if we deaged some of our older knights back to 19-20. All the experience and their bodies returned to their prime.

>>36614328
>The thing there is that it is stopping aging not deaging
Actually I explicitly said de-aging someone until they reach their prime, NOT stopping their aging.
Why in the world would we want to stop someone's aging?
1. we want them to come back for more treatments on a regular basis. (repeat customers)
2. we want them to have an interest in keeping talon alive and remain in his good graces (without him, there is no more fountain of youth)
3. we want to make sure that it works once they leave. and de-aging is much more managable there than permanently stopping their aging

>>36614320
>Poorly. They're having difficulty putting enough power into the substitute to actually satisfy the vampires without requiring them to drink literal gallons of it each day. They have a worknig substitute but it's not viable.

So whose library do we have to raid to get past that hurdle and/or how much money do we need to throw at it?

>>36614328
>We have seen one but not the other.
actually we have seen both. talon stopped aging about 10 years ago, and during those 10 years have been regaining his youth, slowly de-aging back towards his prime years.

So I'm not too sure about this, but there isn't anything actually stopping us from binding the Source to us/Harrowmont right?
Why have we put off the whole reality manipulation thing for 55 threads when we have all these great ideas?

>>36614398
True, but it would be obviously more valuable if they can retain their youth once they leave

>>36614428

Because that's not how that works?

>>36614446
Fair enough, my mistake. How does it work though?

>>36614320
>Well, it's really that a young Samael asked him (naively) to stop and he just bitchslapped her.
my sides.
I am imagining this to be a literal bitchslap

>>36614428
Because being able to warp reality would have put us under a huge spotlight and we didnt want that. Better to power up Undine, who turns out is op as shit. Also while all these ideas are cool, we have been conquering. We cant use the reality bending in Shropham.

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>>36614081
>That does remind me. How often can she teleport herself? She seems to spam it a lot.
She can basically use short-range individual teleportation without expending energy, like Aladria.

>>36614363
Well, yes, but that's a very indirect benefit.

>>36614461
You have to bind a Place of Power, and there's only a few of those. You sold your first one to keep Gnome and the second to make Undine happy. You've got your third lined up shortly, though. All the rest will be a slog to get by comparison.

>>36614423
Talon hasn't been de-aging.

>>36614428
>Why have we put off the whole reality manipulation thing for 55 threads when we have all these great ideas?
The reasons are as follows
1) All the major powerful beings will instantly notice it when talon does so. We were trying to stay under the radar. When we were visited by raphael was the moment we decided enough power players know to stop hiding it
2) the reality manipulation is limited to a 1 mile radius around the source. and hypothetically will give talon no extra powers outside it. While upgrading undine gives her power anywhere in the world
3) most of the ideas mentioned in this thread are actually new. Before it our ideas were only
A - fountain of youth thing
B - a magitech factory producing Super MMK (would require significant research, it will take about a year of research just to make a regular MMK factory that doesn't explode from power overload, then years to work out how to increase its output to take advantage of the source to create super MMK)

>>36614461

Simply explanation is you bind a PoP to oneself. We burnt one on summoning Gnome as Talon's familiar, and the other on Undine thus far. The Source is just the point that facilitates all of these actions, among a medley of other things.

>>36614461
We need a PoP bound to the Source. Then it needs to be bound to us. That way we have the power going into it.

>>36614468
Welcome to the club. I was imagining this 30 threads ago and I'm still laughing.

>>36614320
Just to ask but do we have any idea how Kushan looked like?

>>36614550
>Talon hasn't been de-aging.
I remember you at some previous thread mentioning talon actually getting more closer to his prime in terms of youthfulness ever since he has figured out agelessness.
so, if he hasn't actually done it, what is his biologically apparent age?

>>36614596
>Just to ask but do we have any idea how Kushan looked like?

genocidal santa

>>36614626
hahahah, I like you anon

>>36614468

>we'll never have a Kushan thread involving all of the bitch slapping of all of the big powers

I bet he was the coolest dude, probably had a Pompadour, blackjack, and hookers on tap constantly. Man, all our mage ever does is research and allow Talon to fuck his familiar.

>>36614320
>Well, it's really that a young Samael asked him (naively) to stop and he just bitchslapped her.

He obviously took off his immaculate white gloves and slapped her with them right? Kushan was a man of refinement above all else

>>36614582
>2) the reality manipulation is limited to a 1 mile radius around the source. and hypothetically will give talon no extra powers outside it. While upgrading undine gives her power anywhere in the world

Not quite it's limited to how many we bind. At 3 we have a fairly significant area.

>3) most of the ideas mentioned in this thread are actually new. Before it our ideas were only

Not really. The original ideas was building a golden fort with walls that can't be broken keeping our allies immortal building a giant flying machine or tower to see all around the area for danger in war.

Honestly I always wanted to bind one when we got 3 region hexes or more. But it being mentioned that there is a trick to get things created on the inside to the outside made me speed up my time frames a bit.

>>36614707
>Not quite it's limited to how many we bind. At 3 we have a fairly significant area.
IIRC its 1 mile radius per pop. that is
at 3 it would be a 3 mile radius.

>>36614617
I'm pretty sure he looks pretty young actully. Talon right now is about 34 and he told Alyce he hasn't worried about age for a decade or so. So 23-24 I think.

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>>36613926
Kushan happened.

Basically, pre-Kushan and evocation, the elves, dwarves and dragons were the biggest powers. The humans were still more populous but tended to form nations together with other races rather than human-only nations like the other races did.

Then Kushan came along, gave humanity evocation, destroyed one of the two remaining royal lines of dragons (the third was destroyed by the Fae before him), almost wiped the Aefir out and chased the non-human races away from a lot of their established settlements.

Although the shadowbeasts under Sithran seems like the darkspawn, they're not much trouble for the dwarves.

>>36614617
Talon is about 24 or so in terms of physical age. He is considerably fitter/buffer/manlier now than he was then, however.

>>36614656
>Man, all our mage ever does is research and allow Talon to fuck his familiar.
He will probably also be happily married soonish.

>>36614754
If I remember it goes.
1 is the keep.
2 Is basically all of the fort and a little ouside of it.
3 is basically a good bit outside of it.

7 would be like a good chunk of the entire Hex.

>>36614794
>Then Kushan came along, gave humanity evocation, destroyed one of the two remaining royal lines of dragons (the third was destroyed by the Fae before him)
so the lines are not actually connected? odd... that sounds more like a type of enhancement, like the feldragons, with three different individual dragons undergoing that enhancement, and then just convincing people its "dragon royalty" rather than just some boosted dragon.

>>36614794
You know this does make me wonder how Mal would react if we told him we want him to bind another pure elemental. The mental image of how big headed Mal would get is amazing.

>>36614794
>He will probably also be happily married soonish.
dawww

>>36614809
well, considering we aren't getting raphael's, and 4 have to go to undine, we are going to have 2 max for talon and only 1 until undine herself is at max.

>>36614794
>The humans were still more populous but tended to form nations together with other races rather than human-only nations like the other races did.

Wait... So is Talon basically saying fuck this with his policies regarding other races? That's... Interesting.

>He will probably also be happily married soonish.

RIP fun Mal, we hardly knew ye.

>>36614406
I was talking more about we haven't seen deaging done yet but we have seen stopping done. So we know one is possible but not the other.


Though personally I kind of feel Talon should keep deaging only for his guard and his royal knights. After all it's basically a miracle of god like power. Bartering it kind of cheapens it unless they bring something really damn good.

>>36614859
We can get Raphael's when we go save the other archangel. Also when Talon gets strong enough he can Undue the PoP binding on Gnome and then bind it.

So it would probably end up being 3 for Talon 4 for undine.

>>36614879
>Wait... So is Talon basically saying fuck this with his policies regarding other races? That's... Interesting.
well, a large difference is that back then humans were a race of subjects under stronger races as rulers.
while with TYK its a human empire that has nonhuman subjects (which are treated equally unlike most human empires).

>>36614794
Where do we go for better equipment for us personally?

How long until we're breeding griffins mang?

>>36614794
>chased the non-human races away from a lot of their established settlements.

That reminds me, I fee like you mentioned there were dwarven ruins within the Marnn mountain range. Do we know much about those? Would dwarves be interesting in resettling them if we allowed it?

>>36614928
>Though personally I kind of feel Talon should keep deaging only for his guard and his royal knights. After all it's basically a miracle of god like power. Bartering it kind of cheapens it unless they bring something really damn good.
I didn't say anything about selling it for cheap.

If we had chosen the mage or monk PC would we still have the same source of power Talon does? Or would it have been entirely different?

>>36614879
>So is Talon basically saying fuck this with his policies regarding other races? That's... Interesting.

Not really. It's not like it's a law or anything that other races can't live around humans. It's more Talon doesn't give a crap which attracts people that want protection.

Though this does make me want to see how Rayza looks in her dragon form now thinking on it.

>>36615008
Aspir said before it would have been different. He had a different major plot twist for each of them

The mage for example, would be kushan tier transmuter instead of astral power.

>>36614999
True. I kind of feel if should be a huge offer though. Nothing screams godking like granting immortality to your closest followers and it would probably build up the legends with the peasants.

>>36615008
Entirely different. We know the mage PC would have had a knight ally with astral power though much weaker then Talons. We also know astral and sorcery doesn't' play nice. So the mage PC I think would have been a genius.

Though I do kind of wish we could see his stats.

>>36615061
You know I've always wondered if he would have only had transmutation or if he would have known that and evocation.

>>36615118
What's evocation again?

>>36615061

My personal head canon is mage-Talon would have picked up Sareeg as his champion, allied with Blackwater, and possibly became the most badass vampire transmuter to ever exist, despite having no idea if that would even work. So basically evil.

Wait a minute, if we can alter reality inside that 1-mile area, can't we just create more PoPs there?

>>36615183
evocation is a method of using sorcery via drawing in and manipulation external power from the environment. It is how the vast majority of humans do magic.
It was invented by kushan in order to empower humanity, since transmuters are very rare, but any human can learn evocation.

>>36615183
>All these newfags.

Human only magic that Kushan created. One of the biggest reasons humanity is doing so well. Numbers+Learnable magic=fun.

>>36615217
that sounds pretty catastrophic considering that each source maintains exactly 7 pops which (along with the source) provide all the magic of this dimension (and magic is required for life)

Creating an additional pop near the source is both redundant and potentially result in one of the other pops ceasing to be a pop, which would cause a magic imbalance (since magic is not distributed properly across the world anymore, since the pops are located where they are for a reason) and potentially devastate ... well, everything.

>>36615213
doubt that one vampireism would be a massive step down given they have weaker magic then mages. Personally with what I know now I would have went with

Mage Talon +Sareeg.
Mage Talon has the personalty Kushan had.
Dead hopes dead dreams.

>>36615236
>Newfag

Yeah sure

>>36615278
I honestly want to at some point research how to bind PoP bound to other sources. We know right now that the other sources are non-operational and it would take a stupid level of power to do so. But still if we could bind like 7 PoP to talon dear lord.

>>36615391
>I honestly want to at some point research how to bind PoP bound to other sources.
One way to do it would be to actually bind those other sources to talon. Although each would come with its own champion. Of course there are angel issues here what the angels sealing the other sources.

>But still if we could bind like 7 PoP to talon dear lord.
but, talon doesn't get any stronger with bound pops, it just extends his "domain" further out from the source.

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>>36614969
>Where do we go for better equipment for us personally?
I'm debating whether to offer up a new weapon from Shropham's vault or to wait on it or require you to hunt for one. The dwarves will probably have a nice gift for you, though.

>>36614975
One of the settlements that was abandoned long ago. Overrun by monsters and in ruins. The dwarves may be interested in resettling it but also may not be - it could be too much work for too little gain.

>>36615084
>We know the mage PC would have had a knight ally with astral power though much weaker then Talons
No, the knight would have used sorcery. He just would have been hilariously hypercompetent. The sort of knight who sees a dragon and goes 'Imma deck that.' and then goes and does it. Or at least, he'd get that good over time.

>>36615118
Just transmutation.

>>36615217
No, for the same reason you can't use the Source's power to unmake the Source. You're not actually omnipotent, you just get a taste.

>>36615467
if sylph dies we would want to get her source ASAP so that she would be the champion from it.

>>36615513
>>Where do we go for better equipment for us personally?
>I'm debating whether to offer up a new weapon from Shropham's vault or to wait on it or require you to hunt for one. The dwarves will probably have a nice gift for you, though.
I was wondering, aspir, does our current armor slow down talon's growth? It seems a little too effective at stopping hostile magic and damage, which prevents talon from getting as much practice in his resistance and endurance.
inb4 talon starts fighting naked

>>36615513
>The sort of knight who sees a dragon and goes 'Imma deck that.' a

Can we have this guy anyway? He sounds hysterical and it would piss off Felix to no end.

>>36615467
Yes but remember 7 of them is like 2/3 of the entire hex. Like if 100K RSK knights charged into the place talon could litterally make it impossible for them to move or breath without using archmage tier sorcery.

>>36613927
>Look over on pharos side of the map
>Eyes wonder over thinking about how Aspirational mentioned that the empire is factional due to culture differences which can be spotted by the name.
>See the far left hand side.
>I now hear fucking nothing but "Howdy partner." and "Get those damn Mexicans out of our land."

>>36615513
>One of the settlements that was abandoned long ago. Overrun by monsters and in ruins. The dwarves may be interested in resettling it but also may not be - it could be too much work for too little gain.
So, if we were to do the actual clearing out for them, it would potentially tilt the balance on that?

Although, for now I am rather content to have dwarves come in to settle in the undercity of taur

>>36615562
>spoiler

Just as Blackwater planned. That sly bastard.

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guys I've located an ancient illustration of the great mage himself

>>36615596
blackwater was showing us how its done... he is our mentor.
he turned us to the D side (not dark)

>>36615521
Doesn't work like that. All the sources have already bound who they get down.

>>36615576
>Yes but remember 7 of them is like 2/3 of the entire hex. Like if 100K RSK knights charged into the place talon could litterally make it impossible for them to move or breath without using archmage tier sorcery.
which is nice, but it is still only the one hex.

>>36615576
>Look over on pharos side of the map
Oh hey, pharos! it never had kushan, or the darkspawn, nor angels AFAIK...
I bet their sources are unguarded and untapped.

>>36615634
Ah derp misread that. Yeah if we could unseal it we should. But honestly it's more effective to just bind one PoP and let Mal take care of it.

>>36615615
hahahaha
>Red robes are a sign of power
>Great beard is a sign of a great mage
>Being fat is par for the course for a great mage
>Santa hat = wizard hat
>Keeps elves in slave sweatshops producing trinkets for humanities benefits
it all fits.

>>36615634
>Doesn't work like that. All the sources have already bound who they get down.
Actually, aspirt said that the champion summoned is the last person who was bound to a pop and died.
Each source has 7 pops. so when one dies, they become the next champion candidate, replacing whomever was there before.

>>36615615

This picture has given me a serious case of the giggles. Cannot unsee.

>>36615673
It's godlike power in one hex that someone would have to go around the world and fight our armies to depower if they want to stand a chance. That's a lot of power right there. Talon could like build unbreakable walls or build a army of stone men and send them outside once he figures out the trick to send things outside.

That's pretty useful right there. Especially once he gets set up and doesnt' need to leave that often to make sure things work.

>>36615673
>I bet their sources are unguarded and untapped.

I honestly get the feeling they don't have a source. Most likely the continents where designed or had things done to them by the divine races that ruled there. So there is probably wards for other divine races and probably wildly different shit on each one.

How's the construction of Ren's village coming along?

>>36615743
>It's godlike power in one hex that someone would have to go around the world and fight our armies to depower if they want to stand a chance.
And? its not like someone can just march on our capital without first taking out a lot of our surrounding territory.
Also, getting another super unit sounds way more useful for both offense and defense than getting a super fortress.
For one thing, if someone does attack us, we can get all the super units to come together (that is, undine can defend any source we own, with sufficient foxes to teleport her there in time)
And its not like we won't get any superior defense. Since 4 of 7 go to max power the champion. that means 3/7 bound to talon.
So anyone attacking it already has to do it. going from 3 to 7 pops bound to a source just extends that protection to extra farmland.

I think it would actually really shine if we do something exotic with it. Like create a zone where nobody ages or some such.

>>36615513
>The dwarves will probably have a nice gift for you, though.

We honestly should get a high quality weapon from the dwarves then maybe have Mal enchant it since he is good with that.

>>36615784
>I honestly get the feeling they don't have a source. Most likely the continents where designed or had things done to them by the divine races that ruled there. So there is probably wards for other divine races and probably wildly different shit on each one.
hmmm, interesting point. it was only earlier in this thread that someone figured out that bit about continent to divine race correspondence and that there is a missing continent in the death ocean where no ship ever returns from which used to belong to one of the exterminated divine races.

But, if they don't have sources that doesn't mean they don't have something else that is suitable awesome and worth tapping.

>>36615816
We could try and create a zone where no one ages and we could turn an army of 100K mens lungs into stone without needing to bother with bringing our elites back.

It's not like Talon can't do more then one thing at a time with it.

>>36615856
Problem I see mostly is it's one empire so the shadow empress would most likely own it already. So we would have to fight it first.

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>>36615576
Actually, Texas being in Pharos is a joke from Sengoku Rance. I didn't import the rest of the silliness, though.

>>36615813
It's basically done. I'll probably add a Castle-Town icon to the Harrowmont hex.

>>36615562
>I was wondering, aspir, does our current armor slow down talon's growth?
Well, insofar as you're slightly more capable, yes. Otherwise, no.

>>36614820
The royal dragon lines were more or less unconnected.

>>36615984
>Actually, Texas being in Pharos is a joke from Sengoku Rance. I didn't import the rest of the silliness, though.

Yeah I know. I love the Rance games so I caught that one. It was pretty damn hilarious.

>>36615878
Doesn't change anything.
The point is, what is the exact added benefit of expanding the range of your "unconquerable" terrain from "a single town" to "that town and some surrounding farmland"?
The town is still unbeatable unless they conquer ALL our surrounding territories anyways. The source is still protected.
The benefits to such extension are on the civil side, or if military, in terms of production and export (magitech factories, sorcerer and spiritualist training grounds, regrowing veins of ore, etc) rather than in terms of unbeatable warriors and indestrcutible walls

>>36615922
sounds fun