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You step up to the counter, picking up the spear carefully and inspecting the prongs. You're looking for any signs that runes might have been carved on the surface, but you don't see anything immediately obvious. If what the old man says is true, you're definitely interested in acquiring such a powerful artifact. If for nothing besides your wish to study it.

Setting the spear down, you lean over the counter to get a look at the armor. You wouldn't ask the old man to lift the stuff, it must weight a ton. You'd really been shopping for Chrys, but if this armor is indeed merely a heavier version of your warlock armor, you can't deny your own interest. It would probably kill Chrys if she tried to wear it anyway. Then again, it might kill you as well. You'd still like to have it, if only so you can have a goal to strive for.

You reach down to poke and prod at the materials the armor is made out of. It feels much the same as the material your Warlock Armor is constructed of, although much thicker. There's also far more metal strapped onto it in various places. You note with some curiosity that instead of a helmet carved to resemble the enraged face of Surya, the helmet is rather plane. It has two rows of vertical slits but other than that little decoration.

“I'm interested in both, but how much are you asking? These artifacts seem a step above what you've already showed me.”

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The old man rubs his hands together excitedly. “Well, oh valued customer. I ask but the meager sum of three thousand silver for the spear. A bargain, considering its capabilities. As for the armor... well, I'm afraid it's rather more expensive. Six thousand silver and it could be yours, if you have the coin that is.”

Yeesh, six thousand silver is a lot to spend on armor you won't be able to wear for quite some time. Coupled with the spear, that's more than three fourths of your remaining wealth. You'd be down to a measly twenty-six hundred silver. Of course you could likely negotiate the price down to some degree but even if you cut the price in half, a task you doubt is possible, that's still a significant chunk of your wealth down the drain.

>You'll buy them both! Haggle.
>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.
>You'll buy the armor! Haggle.
>Nevermind! You've got what you needed.
>Write-in

>>37704463
>>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.
I fear that people will want to use the spear, which we shouldn't, but the enchantment knowledge possibilities is just too good to pass up.
Armor is way too expensive.
It looks cool and all, but not worth it.
Maybe we could stop a bit early with the spear haggling in return for being allowed to investigate the armor a bit? We promise to buy for it if we damage it, of course.
I was about to ask you for an ETA, you're just in time Soma.
Is it time to git gud this thread and make a language finally?
First?

>>37704463
>You'll buy them both! Haggle.

>>37704463
>You'll buy them both! Haggle.


>>37704514
Armor is way too expensive.

the armor is the upgraded version of the one the varista used. it will not be usefull soon, but it's clearly a top tier item.

>>37704463
>>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.

>>37704463
Whoa, that's expensive. I still think I want both. One possibility would be to only buy the spear now, then hope we get more money in the Pa'vala, then buy the armor after we return. Since we can't wear it anyway right now. I don't think anybody would buy it in the meantime, only a few very rich people would be able to and they probably a) don't need it and b) don't know where to get it if they do.

>>37704463
>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.

>>37704463
See, if we hadn't split our wealth equally for some retarded reason, we could buy this without becoming a pleb (relatively) poorfag.
>>37704575
It's not like we have even been using any functions of our present armor anyway.
you know as well as I do that we will never even find out everything about the armor, much less use it in any significant way except for its passive effects and what our Warlock armour already gives us.
It could be better to just use our Eulidean armor and make some enchanted shit to wear under it that give us the special shit we might need.

>>37704629
We already found out what the warlock Armour does.

>>37704682
I'm talking about the expensive armor.
And the only reason we DID find out everything(which isn't actually certainly everything) was that Varvar had notes on it, by ourselves we never would have experimented with it, since /tg/ can't stay dedicated to a single task at a time in this quest.

tfw no thread 100.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5.5

>>37704711
Its high level fire priest armour, i'm sure we can use that hint to find info about it at the library, soma did confirm that both libraries(here and the uni) we know about could contain the a lot of different info.

you guys sure like wasting money

>>37704463
>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.

>>37704463
>>Nevermind! You've got what you needed.

>>37704463
>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.

>>37704786
not a big fan of the spear, i want the armour though.

>>37704463
>You'll buy the armor! Haggle.
Or both

>>37704463
>You'll buy them both! Haggle.

>>37704463
>You'll buy the spear! Haggle.
We don't need an armor that just kills us.

>>37704463
>>You'll buy them both! Haggle.
Its a stronger warlock armor.

>>37704463
>>You'll buy them both! Haggle.
Could we offer some of our magic items for it?

>>37704463
>You'll buy them both! Haggle.

>>37704759
We don't actually know if it's a Surya priest armor, to be fair, just that it was found in a temple.
I also kind of doubt that one of those would be significantly different from a normal one, except for a bit of specialization and enhanced Fire functions.
>>37704786
I assume you mean this refers to those aiming to buy the Armor? Because although the spear is not useful in combat, since we don't want to completely destroy our enemies in cruel ways, but I'm curious to see if we could find out some cool runes from it. Also if the "soul" prong could maybe kill spirits.
>>37704822
>>37704831
>>37704832
>>37704833
>>37704857
>trying to samefag this early

>>37704832
nigguh
>>37704833

He thought that the warlock armor kills you.
The only problem with the warlock armor is that you need a "big" vys pool.
So the upgraded warlock armor just needs more vys and it shouldn't be an issue.
I am guessing once we hit 50 vys the warlock armor shouldn't give us much of a problem.
now the upgraded warlock armor... im seeing that as a long term armor. when we have 60-70+ vys and it shouldn't be much of a strain.

>>37704833
>>37704831
>>37704575
>>37704566
>>37704857
>Both

>>37704514
>>37704584
>>37704622
>>37704797
>>37704806
>>37704832
>Spear

>>37704822
>armor

>>37704805
>Nothing

VOTE
1
To buy both!

VOTE
2
To buy the spear only!

Final destination, of course.

>>37704887
2

>>37704878
son are you retarded. 4/5 were posted in the same minute.

>>37704887
1

>>37704887
2

>>37704887
2

>>37704887
>>37704876
Forgot to click on a both vote, but counted properly anyway.

>>37704887
2

>>37704887
2

>>37704887
1

>>37704887
1

>>37704887
1

>>37704899
4chanX shows what someone's first post in a thread is.
There were 2 IPs in this thread whose first post wasn't a vote.

>>37704887
1

>>37704887
1

>>37704892
2

>>37704887
2

>>37704887
1

>>37704887
1

>>37704900
1

>>37704887
>asking us to decide whether to spend 3/4 of our wealth at once this early in the thread with 18 posters only
I guess the timing just came out badly.

>>37704945
wrong place anon.

Let's throw away all our money for something that we can't use and will probably kill us if we try to use it some time in the next 100 threads.
smart

>>37704887
1

>>37704963
Does this come as a surprise to you, anon?
Don't worry so much though.
There's a chance we roll a nat30 for this haggle roll.

>>37704887
2

>>37704629
Except the passives may ALL be upgraded. Which is why this would be a stronger warlock armor.
SO it be a great addition long run.
Man it'd be nice to get a natural great success on this. cause things are getting real expensive real fast.

Consider this, among worried about our wealth.
We already have considerable amounts of money tied up in assets. Investments and real estate. We are about to embark upon an incredibly dangerous journey, where money will be useless and sweet gear will mean everything. There is no reason to not get the absolute best stuff we can.

Additionally, this will hopefully motivate us to hit more hid, so we can wear the armor.

>>37704981
No, people in this quest being stupid and irresponsible has stopped surprising me a long time ago.
And no, we will not be getting a nat30 on this haggle roll, if we do, quote me and mock.
Just remember that if we fail both rolls we'll be left with 2000 silver.

>>37705012
And by hit more hid, I mean git more gud.

>>37704963
>>37704981
>>37705018
If you really want we can sell him some artifacts we never touch.
or books we finished.
http://pastebin.com/9mxDQn7N

>>37704900
>>37704911
>>37704917
>>37704919
>>37704927
>>37704937
>>37704942
>>37704944
>1

>>37704941
>>37704910
>>37704908
>>37704904
>>37704902
>>37704892
>2

>>37704944
Last valid vote.

>>37704946
Yeeeah, I would've preferred to wait at least a while to host this vote but, hindsight 20/20 and all that.

Writin' for 1, I suppose.

Oh, right. ROOOOLL 3d10+6 vs DC 22 (+2 circumstantial bonus)!

>>37705035
And by git more gud I assume you mean get more vys primarily.

Rolled 5, 10, 9 + 6 = 30 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705061

Rolled 3, 8, 1 + 6 = 18 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705012
There are a shit ton of reasons not to buy this armor, main one being us not being able to use it for at least fifty threads.
Also the whole having money thing, kind of important when we're offered something else we want to buy and can actually use, or run into Sadik and want to buy new brooches and his latest wares.

>>37705061

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Rolled 3, 7, 9 + 6 = 25 (3d10 + 6)

>dat Elaudia image shown
Tree/tribalism/chrys people confirmed.
>>37705061

Rolled 9, 3, 4 + 6 = 22 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705061

Rolled 9, 2, 5 + 6 = 22 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705048

Rolled 1, 9, 7 + 6 = 23 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705061
here goes nothin

>>37704878
i mean both, you guys are just way too short sighted and aren't jewing hard enough, you know what a real zionist jew would do in our situation?
just for example we could start up a logging company at the edge of the forest with our funds and sell it cheap to our father which would in turn give our family the biggest navy and we could set it up by the ocean as well and make a water purification facility with runes and start a farm and then grow poppies and food that we sell cheaply to our father our we could just set up a company that does that as well, wouldn't be that hard and we are capable of handling any troubles that occur. you guys don't want to play trader quest? delegate the business to our father or someone else we trust enough to do it.
i know this is an adventuring quest but it could be a fun pet project. plus it would have to be done after getting rid of the demon god in our head and knowing Soma we'll probably get dragged in on a couple of side quests again. and during the sut up of the business we could just timeskip and during that timeskip focus on metal

>>37705068
I am master roller.

Rolled 10, 4, 1 + 6 = 21 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705069
you ruined it

>>37705099
You ruined it by voting 1.

>>37705108
No I didn't, because I voted 2

>>37705061
>>37705069
spend 4 for saving money

I'm not too worried about the money. Like >>37705012
said we have wealth in investments, they will give us income after a delay (except if Soma rolls a nat 3 so the ships are sunk and the mines cave in). There's a good chance we'll get more money/wealth in the Pa'vala.

>>37705069
Who's going to be in the Pavala? Nobody there is going to take gold as payment. If anything, the !Fremen are going to want to buy our barrels of water.

>>37705061
Yes Soma I want to spend 4

>>37705068
>>37705069
>>37705075
>30, 18, 25 vs DC 22
>Regular Success!
Spend 4 vys to make it a Great Success?
You're at 24/41 at the moment.

>>37705095
No anon, no.
I don't mean to be condescending or insulting, but I doubt this playerbase is capable of such large projects, especially ones involving economy.
If the players were willing to really jew it up, we would grind metas, effects, techniques, GM as many elements as posisble, and grind runes before we do anything big, then learn everything SK has to teach us, and make some incredible shit, develop more techniques, and THEN start playing the Jew of Wall Street.
>>37705151
We should really learn Create before we go. And get a shit ton more vys because holy shit, with just 40 we will be annihilated, since we don't know anything about how to survive there.

>>37705095
Oy vey!

Rolled 10, 4, 8 + 6 = 28 (3d10 + 6)

>>37705171
>Spend 4 vys to make it a Great Success?

>>37705171
spend

>>37705171
Yes, of course, spend.

>>37705171
YES
I'm just waiting until you let us spend vys on an important/smeiimportant roll, and have someone inquest react negatively and make us come out worse for spending vys than we would have had we accepted the will of the dice.

>>37705171
Spend

>>37705171
Spend 4

>>37705171
spend 4

>>37705196
Well, Hayes remarked on us spending, but was neutral about it. Then again, Hayes is not a normal person. Not spending on the whipping gave us cred in the temple. But I share your worry.

>>37705196
I still find it funny that people are waiting for this.
I think soma either forgot or just makes most characters don't care, ever since i asked him that question.
He did say that most will think of it natural though, and we used it against spirits with out harm.

>>37705246
He did the hayes thing, after some one asked if other people will notice us spending vys.
But, comparing not using vys when getting punished and haggling are two different things anon.

>Spend 4
Writin' That'll put you at 20/41.

Fuck, I spent way too long looking for good art. I need to leave for class. Sorry about the delayed start folks. Post when I return.

>>37705175
yeah i know, they don't seem to be capable of such simple feats but i guess adventure quests get that kind of simple minded audience, i'll be off then gents

>>37705036
Shit we can sell:
Ornate Dagger (Does this do anything?)
Blowgun - Never used this.
A Treatise on Advanced Water Magic by Master Yusef - Finished
Abusing Metaphysics - Finished
Metamagic Instructions: Ranged - Finished
13x Magic Lanterns (I'd rather use these to decorate the estate though.)
11x Monster Venom Glands (We can save a few for Mortia though)
3x Technician's Armor (Maybe save one to study.)
Clavichord
Brass Horn
3x SMGs [146 shots remaining]
2x Shotgun [5 shots remaining]
1x Oversized Handgun [5 shots remaining]
1x Needlegun

Stuff to study and then sell:
Enchanted Gauntlet (Might be useful though)
Shockwave Sword (Unless you guys want to go back to using it)
Compact Sword (We never used this, but we could study elaudian metal through it.
Hiacian Sabre
1x Optio Armor

Stuff I'm not sure if we opened:
4x Hazardous Materials Shipments
3x Bandit's Personal Chest
Ornate Lockbox

>>37705333
>Hiacian Sabre
I believe this is the better version of the shockwave sword, and i would like to keep it, but this is why i think we should organize and go through our cloak.

>>37705151
You do remember we're heading to Khemdi first while possibly stopping by Anthus where we might want to buy that vys scroll we were talking about, or something else in the countless stores that litter those places.
We might run into Sadik on the road as well.
Besides, there are a few cities in the Pavala as well as travelers who could take our money.
Also, we're still in El-Amin and buying expensive artifacts, there's also the option of wanting to buy other things before leaving the city.

>>37705386
>Besides, there are a few cities in the Pavala
you mean ruins/death traps.
The only people living there are nomadic tribes.

>>37705333
>not inspecting Ornate dagger
>not letting our companions read our books
>selling the mysterious lanterns we need to study
>selling the interesting Technician armors
>RELEASING ACTUAL MODERN FIREARMS INTO THE WORLD, HOLY FUCK ANON YOU ARE RETARDED
>selling the Shockwave battery and possibly XBAWXHUGE energy slicer
>Selling our eludian metal sword
>selling a sword we don't know what it does
>selling a good armor
>SELLING LITERALLY RADIOACTIVE SHIT, DO YOU WANT TO KILL HALF OF EL-AMIN'S POPULATION ANON????

anyone know a trader quest or a quest with players smart enough to jew big time?

So lads, I've found another interesting bit of information while cataloguing the archive.

>>32553303
Airship Acquisition: Airships are possible and have been used in the past, though it would be more feasible to salvage one than try to build one solo or with your small party. You'd need to hire architects, engineers, other vatis, and purchase the raw materials. It would be a massive undertaking more suitable for a guild/corporation/mercenary band/whatever than a party of adventurers.

We know the location of the main Rhynian research headquarters. What say we head on over there and get us a mobile flying fortress? Or at least, information for one of their docks? That would make the Pavala expedition much more easy.

Alright more stuff to add to the pile of things we'll never use.

>>37705285
>literally less than an hour of run time
Anyone know how long Soma's class will take, approximately? I might want to squeeze in a nap.

>>37705443
Usually he's gone for about four hours Anon. Three for class, and one to get set up and churn out the next update. You've plenty of time to snooze.

>>37705333
I could part with one Technician's armor.
Dagger, blowgun and such aren't worth much. SMG and Shotgun are from namek and so they are unique, we won't sell them. And how do you dare selling our Shockwave Sword, it's our extended vys pool!

Even after haggling the price of the armor and trident down, the merchant will be one of the richest men in the country.

>>37705386
Oh, you're right, the vys scroll might cost a few hundred gold. We'll probably have to ask our friends for money, they will want to learn it too, after all.

>>37705443
About two hours, then writing time. Good night

>>37705436
No anon, no.
Stop it.
We are going to get better, have an adventure in the Pa'vala, return, get better, have an adventure in Eulidea, and maybe, MAYBE after that, look through those ruins again.
There's already too much shit on out plate, having a flying fortress would just have more people wanting to kill us.

Here is hopping anons have common sense and actually go through our cloaks shit.

>>37705474
Who and why? It's a ruin! It doesn't belong to anyone. And that Pa-valan expedition could off half the cast, if not the MC himself.

>>37705460
He already was, to be honest, just not in actual currency, if this armor is worth this much, then he must have the worth of a treasury in there.
>>37705478
Would probably take a whole day.
I'm in, could double as the thread for making the language as well.

>>37705436
silly anon, they aren't capable of big projects, ADD or ADHD will do that to you but my recommendation is to take your medication

>>37705495
>Who
Anyone who wants wealth or power or influence.
>Why
Because we have a working fucking flying fortress!! Do you not realize how valuable that shit is?

>>37705506
It's a hell of a lot quicker and "easier" then my flight chasis idea, not to mention safer in actual implementation. We know there's airships and we know the location of one of the most advanced research facilities in the entire world.

>>37705526
Very descriptive Anon. You've elucidated profoundly the great number of people who'd like to murder us for the fortress. I'm so glad you took the time to write such an all-encompassing and well thought out list. Then I guess we better fly *around* the major population centers. It's not that terribly hard. Hell, we could just go up and over. It's a fucking Airship.

>>37705410
No, I mean literal, populated cities, not to mention the ones on the way to the Pavala, and El-Amin when we return from Khemdi.

>>37705418
>not inspecting Ornate dagger
The pastebin doesn't mention any hidden effects.
>not letting our companions read our books
Alright, didn't think of this.
>selling the mysterious lanterns we need to study
They're probably composed of simple fire magic + Permanency. Besides, I was suggesting using them for our estate.
>selling the interesting Technician armors
We have three.
>RELEASING ACTUAL MODERN FIREARMS INTO THE WORLD, HOLY FUCK ANON YOU ARE RETARDED
Who gives a shit? We already released dragons into the world, might as well give them the tools to fight back.
>selling the Shockwave battery and possibly XBAWXHUGE energy slicer
We haven't used them in a while.
>Selling our eludian metal sword
We haven't used it once.
>selling a sword we don't know what it does
I was suggesting we study it first, and if it's any good we don't actually sell it.
>selling a good armor
We have better and unless we give it to Mortia, no one to use it on.
>SELLING LITERALLY RADIOACTIVE SHIT, DO YOU WANT TO KILL HALF OF EL-AMIN'S POPULATION ANON????
I wasn't suggesting selling it.
>All of your post.
The list was just a list of items to discuss selling, not really a suggestion or anything.

>>37705558
Right, okay, I will just ignore your condescending tone.
>who
the elven warlord, Sadik, any important political figure with military aspirations, Kadir, icebitchqueen, literally anyone we come across who's somewhat megalomaniac
>implying once we have the fortress, we will never ever have to go down tot he ground again

>>37705614
We didn't release dragons in the world.
We brought a single one to the surface, our son, who we will raise to be a cool dragon, and he will stay within our party.

>>37705614
Actually, according to Fulvia, they're a simple form of void generator.

>>32147046
Void Generator Basics: Chryssa buts in with. {What is a Void Generator?} Fulvia responds after a brief pause. {I'm not actually sure why it's called that. I simply know that as material approaches a Void Generator it is destroyed and its vys harnessed, which is then harnessed before it can collapse into the generator. It makes them extremely dangerous to work with. The lanterns you've been hoarding are actually a form of minor Void Generator.}

>>37705642
They won't bloody know. The facility is in the middle of bumfuck nowhere embedded in the Earth. Sadik can't read our minds, the Elven Warlord doesn't even know we exist, and Kadir is really bloody busy killing bitchqueen. Your concerns are totally warrantless.

>>37705558
It may be that but if you think back to the previous threads you'll remember what kind of people are here, i'm sorry but if you want any in depth planning you'll have to find another quest

>>37705701
How do you suppose actually making use of a flying fortress without anyone noticing?

>>37705460
>SMG and Shotgun are from namek and so they are unique, we won't sell them
Fair enough.
>And how do you dare selling our Shockwave Sword, it's our extended vys pool!
We haven't used it for that purpose in months irl.
>Even after haggling the price of the armor and trident down, the merchant will be one of the richest men in the country.
He still has to restock.
Though I doubt he was lacking money in the first place.
>Oh, you're right, the vys scroll might cost a few hundred gold.
Actually, if we take the archeotta with us, we probably won't have to buy it.

>>37705704
That's literally the silliest argument against a proposed plan of general action I've ever heard. We know the very real dangers of a TPK. Soma has never bullshitted us before. We know that as we are, we are woefully underequipped. And we know that Air superiority is a massive advantage based on past questions. As such, making it a mission to explore the facility for Airship locations or an actual Airship is a perfectly reasonable course of action.

>>37705719
It's a flying ship that can go upwards where there's no plant-life for detection or Vatis to sense vys expenditures or dragons to detect life or guards to inform the government or bandits to prey upon travelers or giant worms to hear our footsteps and consume us alive?

>>37705754
And how do you suppose we'll use it for anything? Just sit up there forever? Or do you want to go to a place hundreds of miles away from civilization to land so we don't get noticed?

>>37705732
Hey man i'm on board but i don't expect it to happen/work
Feel free to prove me wrong

>All these anons freaking out about introducing guns
I'm not the guy suggesting selling the guns, but you do know that there is a tech city that has old style guns(i believe they have muskets), and than there is SK, who knows how to build them.
I do think we need to be careful to who we give them to/sell them if its decided to sell the weapons.

>>37705790
You're making it sound like we're going to live in an airship forever. This argument has no application when the goal for airship acquisition is solely for the Pa-valan venture. Here's how it's going to play out:

We raid the facility after resting in El-Amin to git gud and regenerate sanity.

Once we have an Airship, we use it to explore the Pa-vala to our hearts content.

We dock the ship back in the facility or dock we found it in and proceed with our lives.

Your chain of logic proceeds only if you assume that we're going to hold onto the airship at all costs. That was never part of my plan nor was it mentioned. It's something that you conjured completely out of thing air and has absolutely no basis in reality.

>>37705842
Better to hold on to them until SK starts manufacturing them but feel free to do something that might fuck us up the ass in the end it wouldn't be the first time

>>37705889
reread what i siad.
>I do think we need to be careful to who we give them to/sell them if its decided to sell the weapons.
I'm not in favor of handing it out like candy to who ever ask.

Isn't trying to build a flying ship a little to metagaming? I mean sure we saw them and got inside a helicopter or gunship back in the other world but "we" don't known the basics requirements for flight and for all we know its advance technology that can't be easy reproduce.

>>37705725
>in months irl.
>Months, while Mik's started this journey 2 months ago at most
We used the sword on the corrupted IA back in the mines didn't we? that

>>37705926
Again, we know in character that

>>32553303
Airship Acquisition: Airships are possible and have been used in the past, though it would be more feasible to salvage one than try to build one solo or with your small party. You'd need to hire architects, engineers, other vatis, and purchase the raw materials. It would be a massive undertaking more suitable for a guild/corporation/mercenary band/whatever than a party of adventurers.

And here's our in character knowledge of the research facility:

>>31765240
Central Research Station: Then you could also try diving more ruins, unfortunately this one's library was mostly empty but maybe you'll luck out. There's also that encoded missive you found in the commander's office. Some sort of 'central command' facility would probably have way more good stuff than some research station in the boonies.

I'd say this is much more in character than my earlier, "build a flightsuit in a cave, with a box of scraps!" plan.

>>37705937
Do you not know what irl means?

>>37705926
Right now I'm thinking instead of what those other anons are babbling about, we just ask SK about a flying vehicle, ask him what it would require, suggest the design to Mik's father, and have the guy build a fleet of those while giving us a discounted/free one.

>>37705984
That was exactly my plan also. Apparently, that's freaking out of character and instead of asking our resident scientist who comes from a time of flying cars and helicopters about it, we should do hump the desert on foot or by "sliding ice" or whatever retardation the elemental minded lads wanted.

>>37705984
for the IRL matters it's only because Soma got lazy and forgot to make it an automatic process like he'd agreed to do so everytime we'd start a meditation, also pretty sure we drained the sword in between Namek and our return in our world.

>>37706000
Mate, I agree with you, but either way we won't be using an air ship to cross the Pavala, developing a solid design and building one in the desert could take years.

>>37706022
It was both Soma being lazy, and us forgetting about it. Go spam his ask page to remind him.
Also, escaping Namek happened about five months ago.

>>37706060
>>37706022

I can get behind this idea. Talk with SK set a meeting with father, get funding for a prototype. Take it from there. Of course not right now, maybe after getting back from Pavala.

>>37706151
We could just give him a research queue to work on while we're gone, top on that list would be water filtering and vys research.

>>37706022
>>37706151
Last time we drained it was after the Baldev debacle.

We agreed not to do it in Namek cause lasck of Vys.

But Soma forgot to do it when we got back.

Someone wanna be an asshole and go count the meditations and how much Vys we should have in there? Be a REALL asshole move

>>37706151
Designing and refining such a design would still take months, maybe years, even with all the knowledge. Figuring out certain ways to manufacture the materials needed alone could take weeks, it's not an undertaking I want to spend dozens of threads on.
We can pitch the idea and let our father handle it from there.

Something MUCH quicker would be building a hot air baloon to get into the Pavala, that wouldn't take much and we could do the heating part ourselves. If we meditate on fire a little more we'd even be able to (somewhat) steer it with wind.

>>37706060
The way I see it, we've got three ways of crossing the Pa-vala. Walking doesn't count for the same reason sitting in a parked a car in front of a train doesn't count as taking the train.

OC Flight-suits: Study Zahak's wings with the assistance of Skull kid to develop a small flight chassis for single man flight. This has the benefit of possibly taking the shortest amount of time and being the simplest, with the drawback that it's the least safe.

Rhynian Airships: We go to the central headquarters outlined in the Dux's letter and either steal the location of or an actual airship, and use that for our Pa-valan expedition. Their technology has shown immense staying power and the mine facility stayed operational for millennia. Anything that needs repairs/improvements will be Skull Kid's job. The benefits of this approach are that it's the most safe (protective) and allows us to bring more support staff and people. However, we'll need to keep this a secret, and it'll take a moderate amount of time to get it done.

Skull-Tech: Have Skull kid build a basic airplane or whatever using his Vys harvesters. It kind of combines the simplicity of flight suits with the more durable, protective nature of an airship. However, it'll be expensive, and take the longest amount of time. Also, we won't be able to keep it secret.

>>37706151
That's a horrible idea. We've been told by Sehzade that his friends, top tier grandmasters who knew dozens of metas and grandmastered multiple elements died there. We're a young grandmaster with less than a dozen effects and metas. We won't be able to survive, much less keep our companions alive. We need flight and we need flight now if we're going to get through what Soma has been calling an end game area for a hundred threads now.

>>37706151
We could gain a steady income to fund it with that plan an anon posting earlier about starting a logging company or using runes to make salt water into fresh then building or buying some farms and since we have a free steady income of water we could farm the most thirsty of crops and i think those would sell pretty good in the desert

>>37706212
Or, you know, a hot air baloon. At most 2 days to set up.
Minimal effort, not very fast but safe. And faster than walking for sure.

>>37706201
>>37706212
>>37706245

I was thinking about going for a hot air balloon with a propeller first. You know cheaper and easier.

>>37706212
Pretty sure walking is a perfectly fine way.

Thousands of people make trips into it eveyr year.

There are people who live in the Pa'vala and walk it.

You're freaking out over something small. Best method of travel of probably sandships anyway. Little bit of earth magic and we can Go Fast.

>>37706193
>Be a REALL asshole move
Just the last three meditations shoulda put ~90ish+ vys at least if we purged our full reserve into it.

>>37706212
You're freaking about about nothing.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.

It's not a fucking death sentence. They only died because they tried to truly "explore" and plunder it. They searched for the most dangerous places and went as deep as they could go. We're on a simple in and out mission.

>>37706324
Oh god I feel like we should get SOME sort of recompense for that. IT's just too good to forget about.

>>37706302
>>37706333
Around the edges. That still has a 30% mortality rate. No-one goes into the center, which is where the library with the mechanism is and coincidently, has a 99.9999% mortality rate. Do you really think it'll be that easy? The Sehzade would have told us if it were so.

>>37706266
>>37706297
Ugh. Fine. We can do that just fine too. Fire enchantment to keep the air heated and Skull-Tech for propulsion.

>>37706302
>Thousands of people make trips into it eveyr year.
actually those are adventuring parties of small armies by foreigners, and only 70% of them survive, and that is with going the known safe routes.
>There are people who live in the Pa'vala and walk it.
Nomadic tribes that spent most of thier lives surviving in the hell hole
>>37706302
>l. Best method of travel of probably sandships anyway
I think it would be better to do hot air balloon route.

>>37706212
>OC Flight-suits:
Not gonna happen
>Study Zahak's wings
Not an applicable form of flight.
>develop a small flight chassis for single man flight.
Would take even longer than any of the other options.
>This has the benefit of possibly taking the shortest amount of time and being the simplest
So fucking wrong.
>Rhynian Airships:
So fucking meta, we would need to actually find the place, and no actual guaranty of the tech being there.
>Skull-Tech:
>Have Skull kid build a basic airplane or whatever using his Vys harvesters.
His vys research is a long way from being used in that capacity.
And an airplane would be even harder to design.
>It kind of combines the simplicity of flight suits with the more durable, protective nature of an airship.
Flight suits aren't simple, and how exactly would it include the protective nature of an airship (Whatever that means)?
>Also, we won't be able to keep it secret.
Shouldn't be too hard to build the thing out in the mountains with our funds.

>>37706333
>They only died because they tried to truly "explore" and plunder it.

I do not believe its a death sentence but that's more or less what we are going to do. I mean we much information about artifact we are looking for.

>>37706353
>>37706324
I'll laugh if the gem breaks.

>>37706297
With a steady income we could hire a research team lead by SK and imagine what he could do with all that funding

>>37706358
Where are you pulling these numbers from?

>>37706368
>>37706358
Hot air balloon is probably the best way but seriously you guys are flipping out for nothing.

>>37706333
>They only died because they tried to truly "explore" and plunder it
Which is what we are gonna do, the artifact is supposed to be in the center of that bullshit, inside a ruin.

>>37706358
I just don't want to spend another few dozen threads arguing about airship mechanics and generally not making much progress. Also the ideas are a little too meta for my taste.

Hot air baloon would be slightly meta too, but less so. Also we could actually get it going in 1 or 2 threads if we wanted to, it's easy, it's practical and we can even steer it with magic.

>>37706395
A combo of the ask and threads questions answered by soma.
Soma confirmed the only reason the desert was an option at the start, is because we would have met a tribe.

Why the shit are we even going to the Pa'vala before checking our other options of removing the entity?
We could probably forge a deal with some high ranking spirit or void being to remove it.
Maybe study the mask and try to bind it back into it?

>>37706414
You forgot the most important part: If we construct the basket so that we can disassemble it, it might actually fit into our cloak, and that would be amazing.

>>37706414
Airships will either be late game, or when we stumble across an ancient one or find some schematics.

Beyond that it's too meta to even try for.

Not that I dont really want it.

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>>37706371
Do you have any idea how simple jet gliders are? Here's a .webm. Zahak's wings are the basis for the aerodynamic gliding. I'm using his wings because that's an in-character object and motivation to develop propelled flight.

We know all of that stuff in character. Soma said exactly as such.

That's why I said it would take it the longest. Because of the bloody research Flight suits are comparatively simple to a multi-ton ship that flies powered by vys generators, don't you think? And such a ship would be more protective than one man gliders, with all the sheer mass and vys generators instead of dinky Vys harvesters?

>>37706450
Funny enoughone the methods varvar mentioned we can do is almost already possible right now, but its pretty risky and anons would hate to do it.

Where are Soma? We are close to turning on each other like animals here.

>>37706450
You must be new here.

>>37706460
reptillian wings and a glider are two entirely different designs. Not that a set of glider wings aren't simple enough that most of our party could design them.

It's the propulsion that is the problem. We have nothing that could privide reliable thrust like that. Especially steadily over a decent amount of time.

>>37706483
I'd rather not go crazy from lack of senses with a fake body.

>>37706392
Tfw getting ignored by stupid faggots that can't even jew properly

>>37706495
I AM SPARTACUS!

>>37706460
>Do you have any idea how simple jet gliders are?
Ah, right, I just remembered how we had those way back before the invention of jet engines and advanced understanding of aerodynamics and manufacturing.
>I'm using his wings because that's an in-character object and motivation to develop propelled flight.
Those wings would never work for a jet glider mate. Not even close.

>>37706450
We have other shit to do first anyway, plenty of time to discuss our approach to the Pavala.

>>37706459
I want one too but I'd rather find some schematics from a random loot table later on than trying to justify in-character to build one right now.

>>37706460
Where do we get the lift from? Those wings you showed are stationary, Zahaks wings generate lift more by flapping than their aerodynamic profile, your jet glider needs jet engines to generate enough of an airflow around the wings to generate enough lift. How are we gonna do that? How is the rest of our party gonna do that?

>>37706460
>simple jet gliders
>thinking Jet-powered wingsuits are simple in anyway or form
>showing a webm, that proves we need to jump off from a flying machine to used it in the first place.
Wing suits is a pretty bad idea.
>>37706495
Reread the thread.

>>37706460
>>37706540
>>37706554
The hang glider part of simple, elementary.

It the jet engine part that is complex.

I'm sure SK could hook us up with a couple given a few years, but until them it's not really possible.

>>37706521
Like i said, anons wouldn't risk it.

>>37706554
To be fair, SK probably knows about jet engines, and some smart enchanting could easily make a self-sustaining at-will pair of jet engines.
Of course, Mik would never be able to work out the specifics by himself.

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>>37706504
>>37706554
The reason I'm specifically looking at Zahak's wings for are for development of a aerodynamic shape for gliding. Soma said that Zahak soars on updrafts and such. The general shape of his wings obviously can be implemented for gliding. Skull Kid has on his hands right now a Vys harvester that captures ambient vys and forces it out in bursts, for a "blast" effect. We can, with our more refined knowledge of magic and enchanting, modify it for creating upward and forward force. Rhynian generators could do the same, only sucking inwards.

>>37706540
Yes. We did. Thank you for pointing out that we did in fact have functional gliders in the 1890's before the Wright Brothers invented first propelled glider. This is instrumental to my argument and you have my sincere gratitude for your contribution.

>>37706612
>Skull Kid has on his hands right now a Vys harvester that captures ambient vys and forces it out in bursts, for a "blast" effect. We can, with our more refined knowledge of magic and enchanting, modify it for creating upward and forward force.
We can't. Don't have the runes.

>>37706612
Ah yes, the jet engine in that image is perfectly visible.
Jeez, thanks for being so smart and teaching me about completely unrelated stuff mister anon!

>>37706607
>smart enchanting

Talk to me once you have the run for flight. or really any runes that would even sort of be applicable there.

>>37706612
>development of a aerodynamic shape for gliding.
>thinking animal wings are even sort of similar in concept to a glider.
you're a fucking idiot.

but that isn't even the problem because we could come up with the concept with a little hard thinking.

>>37706612
Lenardo Davinci invented the first functional hang glider back in the renaissance.

>>37706665
Well gee. I'm soo happy you got the last part of my sentence where I mentioned the Wright brothers. And their function plan. Powered by basic engines. Built into a large glider. Before jets were ever invented and we attained knowledge of "advanced aerodynamics." It truly warms my heart to see that /tg/ anons have retained their advanced reading comprehension after all these years.

>>37706612
Jesus you are stupid, to get what you want, we would basically need to make jet packs not gliders.
Its far easier to just make planes instead.

>>37706612
Yes, because we were totally talking about gliders, and they are totally related.

>>37706554
I don't understand why people are so focused on a mechanical solution, you want to lift off? just create a pilar of stone under you that project you ten or twenty meter in the air. you want to move? just use fire magic to warm air (as we do for ilusions) and create gushes of wind.

sure we may end up with one or two broken leg from time to time, but we are GM water vatis, we don't need to worry about it.

>>37706745
Totally sustainable for weeks in the deep desert with a party of at least five people.
Sure mate.

>>37706745
Or we could Metal and attempt to shield our self from gravity.

>>37706590
>>37706612
Gliders have the problem that they are, you guessed it, gliders. They allowed for controlled descent, if they are refined and even that took a long time. Lift is not simple. Even unpowered flight took ages to develop and not because no one was interested in it, it is one of the quintessential dreams of mankind and it STILL took so fucking long that we actually have black and white pictures of the earliest good gliders.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_%28force%29

>>37706607
Contrary to popular believe jet engines are NOT simple, knowing about jet engines does not enable you to build them.
Smart enchanting won't help you refine the knowleded metalurgy by about 2000 years to enable you to construct rotorblades that can withstand those forces and so on.
Magic might be a possible way around this but the knowledge for that would be so entirely meta that there is no conceivable way to construct that in character in any reasonable timeframe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbreathing_jet_engine

>>37706745
So you are gonna ignore the constant drain on our vys reserves this will do, or how the method you said is useless for our companions?

>>37706789
Jet engines aren't in the equation. We want Skull Kid's Vys harvesters since they'll have a source of energy, the ambient Vys. They don't drain personal Vys or else Skull Kid would have been a lifeless husk.

>>37706789
One cool idea is that if there is a repel rune you could repel earth and have an antigrav sort of vehicle. There would have to be many more aspects to it than that of course but just as a concept it could be interesting, especially for overland trade.

So our choices is either good old fashion hot air balloon with propellers, or a wright brothers styled airplanes.
Both are low tech enough and aren't too advanced that soma it isn't meta.

>>37706745
Imagine just how fast that would drain our vys pool, oh and if we fumble a roll we break our back. Oh also we need to do this for the entire party. For days.

Your idea is retarded.

A hot air baloon can lift 500kg powered by a laughably small flame we could keep up pretty much forever without any checks.

Try to think about what you write a little more before you click "Submit" please.

>>37706864
That's basically it. I think we've established everything that's worth establishing at this point. The only productive thing to do is to stop, cool down, and wait for Soma. I know tempers may have gotten heated, but this is all meta. We don't know anything for sure until we make the in-game decision to start talking to Fulvia and Skull Kid about flight/local airships. Let's not have this argument and our bad feelings seep into the quest. We're all here for the same thing, to have a good time, Soma's storytelling, and your favorite NPC, Waifu, whatever.

>>37706840
You do realize how impossible it would be for one man (albeit a very smart one) to adapt a simple, basic engine, in it's very early stages of development, that he barely knows anything about it's fuel source, into an engine capable of lift and sustained flight? Not to mention adapting that to an actual flying contraption, any flying contraption really, and perfectly adjusting it so it doesn't crash and burn as soon as we try it?
This shit just isn't a good idea, drop it.

>>37706864
The airplane isn't much of an option for the near future.

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>>37706789
Okay, I'm no engineer, but what I get from pic related is
>aerodynamic shape
Can be done, Eulidean steel if necessary
>moving air into the engine itself, or rotating it
Probably can be done with some rune, speed maybe, although obviously complex
>heat
Fire runes, and if one needs to keep the air flow not in the center relatively cool, then that can be done with runes while it's inside the engine itself as well.
I do not support the idea itself, actually.
>>37706864
Balloons are more reliable.

>>37706864
Or maybe ask SK about since he's from much more advanced society

>>37706965
None (probably) of us here are, so let's not actually consider adapting an incredibly advanced piece of technology into use here.

>>37706864
ballon should be the best, also it is easy to do an enchantement similar to the one we did for master's pipe to provide hot air.

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>>37706864
I don't think the plane is an option, we have no practical way of generating enough propulsion for suffiecient lift and then we'd still need to STEER it, an enourmous undertaking. It would also need to transport the entire party.
Not really an option.

Steering a baloon would be much easier, also it won't fail and crash into the ground with enormous speed if anything even slightly goes wrong. Deadly hot air baloon crashes are rare, google it, even struck by lightning they hold up pretty well.

>>37706965
I'm no engineer either but I do know that highly simplified diagrams can be deceiving.

Soooo....next item on the agenda. I'd like to address the possibility that Profectus is being drained by the little spirit we saw with our magic sight. Before we started teaching him, he told us that he was a Fire vatis. However, he had a pitiable amount of Vys in his reserve. In addition, when he expanded it, this is what happened:

>>32664167
Spirit Leeching Profectus?: Profectus is next. “I haven't really flexed my new powers yet, but it seems like I'm more in control of my arm. It doesn't hurt nearly as much, and overall I just feel... I don't know, happier. More energetic. I would wager that I can also produce more powerful blast if I need to.” Fulvia remarks. “You also wagered you could beat me in a game of cards. We both know how that ended.” He waves her off. “Oh come on, you were cheating. You had to have stuffed some cards up your sleeves or some such. Anyway, I'm doing well is what I'm getting at.”

There's a very real possibility that the parasite or symbiote or whatever is and was draining Profectus' Vys. All of the those symptoms, the depression and the aches and the lack of drive, coincide with the effects of a low Vys pool.

>>37707121
Mechanical diagrams don't matter as much when dealing with just the effects it is meant to create though.
That's like making a diagram of a fridge or super-high heater and thinking it's complex because it looks that way, when we could make a basket and do a combination of fire+contain so the basket withstands the heat unharmed while everything inside gets subjected to 100000K theoretically.

>>37707137
We know young spirits drain mortals' souls and vys, anon, it was stated by Soma himself.

>>37707003
This, he probably knows how to build an airship or at least a ballon

>>37707206
Should we do something about that? Get Profectus into contact with that little bugger so he can negotiate a better deal than "fiery arm cannon?"

So my inner jew has awakened, is there anyway we can help get gold back in our pockets and help our family with one if its made(air balloons)?

>>37707137
I don't know, his hermit girlfriend is apparently fuck old (at least way older that prof in term of life after waking up) and doesn't show any sign of being drained.

perhaps it's real, but it seems that we have time to handle this. also I think rhynians at least tried (and probably succeeded) to prevent that, because that an obvious side effect you don't want.

actually studying prof arms could reveal some way to contains spirits, perhaps.

>>37707274
Honestly SK is our meal ticket.
He can make our family us, and him pretty rich.
we just need to think of a perfect split for profits and what he should make/design.

>>37707137
Pretty sure the old vatis he encountered took care of it, we should probably check what he did some time anyways.

What if we just directly approach Skull Kidd and say something like:

"Hey, for the upcoming journey to the Pavala, we know that walking along the ground is incredibly dangerous. Is there perhaps something we could use to fly over the sands? I know the Rhynians had airships in the past, do you know of something simple that could be built in a fairly short period of time (ie weeks. We could meditate while construction goes on for like a hot air balloon or something). We have the funds to do so, and magic could probably help with the process or function of such a machine."

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>>37707183
That diagram shows what is actually needed to create that simple looking airflow. I tried to find one of a very early jet engine but was mostly unsuccessful, the ones I did find looked mechanically just as complicated.
Making a diagram of that airflow and putting a line showing you a "Combustion chamber" makes it look simple, you still have to construct a combustion chamber, with or without magic, to make it work and let's not even talk about the materials involved in the entire thing.

I wanted to show that there is an actual reason why the development of jet engines took teams of the brightest engineers of the planet decades.
I could also post a simplified diagram of the effects an Alcubierre drive creates, doesn't mean we can make one.

>>37707371
probably did a rune that allowed him better access to the power.
Soma confirmed that he could get his old arm(well close enough atleast) back if he ever raised his mastery in both earth and fire.

>>37707317
Prof was possibly the first though.
What was wrong with him may have been fixed by the time they got to Tercia.

>>37707389
Pretty much, yeah.

>>37707342
I think SK could make tremendous progress if we linked him with our master ability to make (what we alas only in meta) electricity.

by the way, morcia migth bring a lot of dosh if she set up a medicinal office.

>>37707407
same spirit it seems, so my guess is that she is stronger and the arm doesn't cause her pain.

>>37707392
The reason it took decades to develop was probably at least partially because the engineers couldn't just write a couple words on a surface and have incredible, infinite heat flow from that surface.

So are we gonna ignore that our son could hear our brooche convos?

>>37707389
Well yes. That's the only thing we really can do IC without getting meta which Soma doesn't allow and I would find stupid.
SK would think about it for a while and come to the conclusion that a plane is not an option in any reasonable time span and tell us how to make a hot air balloon, which, the more I think about it, would be extremely easy to both make and operate with magic and very practical all things considered.

>>37707532
Yeah

>>37707532
I think it's fine. Fulvia can hear all the brooch conversations too. We don't really have anything to hide from Zahak in those conversations anyways.

>>37707581
>>37707570
It just shows that maybe the brooches can be heard from other beings, but also could help him speak to the others.

>>37707532
I'm not worried about it, it's probably only through his mental connection with Mik

>>37707581
It's not about hiding it, it's about him being able to do it at all. He shouldn't be able to, from what we know of the brooches.
Also
>implying we don't have anything to hide from Zahak
Good parenting doesn't mean saying thetruth 100% of the time, and one may also wish to have private conversation not meant for the ears of one's son,
telepathic sex/erp, anyone?

>>37707632
That is a problem.

Next sparring session when?
Equipment meditations when?
Gittin /fit/ when?

>>37705061
So it's perhaps a bit late to write-in for Haggle, especially since we already succeeded, but I want to talk about demand while we're haggling.

Something like "While I understand the power of these artifacts, how do you expect to sell them? Who out there has the desire for such things, the coin to purchase them and the power to wield them. Why the armor alone is likely beyond the capabilities of all but the greatest vatis to wear. Many of them are recluse and uninclined to adventure, which is what the armor could conceivably be used for in this age. Of the ones who do adventure, how likely is it that they will find your shop and have the money to pay for the armor? I am probably the only person who will come here with the potential to buy this armor in hundreds of years, and even I have alternatives. I think you are overestimating how much this armor is worth."

I also think that we can talk to him about the centurion armor and our own warlock armor in conjunction with our adventures, and make not of how they never lead us astray. We can use illustrations to tell the story as we did with our family. He was probably an adventurer, so I imagine he'll respect the tales we tell him.

I HAVE RETURNED
Typing.

>>37708186
Out of curiosity boss, is the super late write-in any good?

>>37708218
p good/10. I mean, it is very late but I guess... I can knock 2 points off what you spend. So you'll have 22/41.

Incidentally, I am so fucking glad you guys got gud at illusions. They're incredibly useful for justifying vys expenditure.

>>37708359
It is nice not having to force Vys into our voice and posture to intimidate people.

>>37708218
At least I managed to get the write-in in before Soma got here.

>>37708186
Soma last thread people wanted to ask about what he knows about the desert and the jungle, can we still ask that?

>>37708472
Sure, I'll write it in.

>>37708359
I wish we'd get even better and get sound on those illusions as well.
We should definitely keep at it with the fire magic, especially if we want to go through with the balloon.

>>37708472
We could segue into his adventures if we do end up talking about ours. It would be a fairly natural flow of the conversation too.

>>37708496
And people in Mundus say fire magic is only useful for offense and destroying your enemies.

>>37708527
Casuals. It's useful both for offense and utility and if we get good enough we can do both at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNJjnz-GdlE

>>37708586
How fucking funny would it be if we could create music better with lightning than we could play the oud?

>>37708618
Considering we'd purely be using magic for that, which we are actually good it, it's not unlikely this could actually happen.
Which would be hilarious.

>>37708496
about ilusions, I tought perhaps we could use ice prisms to make them, that would help us with color.

perhaps we could do sound by vibrating minuscule ice shards?

doing ice lens should also be trivial.

>>37708926
I don't think we have a problem with colors in the first place and I don't know if water ice has strong enough refraction to even work very well as a prism but we could try.
Vibrating tiny things to produce sounds is also terribly inefficient, sound is compression waves in air, tiny thing = tiny compression wave = high energy loss = you don't hear anything.

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Brass Horn - 2

>>37709665
Nothing good can come of this.

>>37709696
Only if you fight it

You hold up a finger. “First, let us agree that we are negotiating for the armor and the spear as a pair. That's nine thousand silver, an exorbitant sum. Don't misunderstand, I know they're surely powerful artifacts. Yet I'm forced to ask who your intended buyers are. Powerful vatis capable of wearing the armor? Why would they seek out your shop? They do not rush off on adventures, they wall themselves off in their homes to train apprentices and perform research in private.”

“Do you instead court daring adventurers like myself? Why would a man like me wish to waste a vast portion of their wealth on an armor they cannot even wear? How many of them will even find your store? I happened upon it only by chance whilst wandering through the Vatis district. Judging by the state of the place I'm probably your first customer this century.”

The merchant notes, with a somewhat amused tone in his voice. “If you can't wear the armor perhaps you ought not purchase it, thus saving yourself the money you would've otherwise spent.”

You falter for a moment. You... well, you can't really fault that logic, but damn it you want that armor. “Consider it an investment in the future. It is a goal to strive for, or if circumstances grow desperate a secret weapon, so to speak. If I don't buy it now, who's to say it will be here the next time I am in town? Who is to say I'll have the money next time I'm in town?”

The old man retorts. “The wanderlust I so avidly pursued in my youth has faded with age, lad. I won't be going anywhere for quite some time I'm sure and as you so succinctly pointed out, I do not get much business. Not that I need much business to sustain myself, one or two purchases a year are more than enough for me to live comfortably after taking into account the stipend payed to me by the Shah for... services rendered.”

(1/4)

You wonder if he means he's worked with the new Shah or if he's merely referring to the wages all Vatis receive from the government. If he is indeed as old and powerful as you're inclined to believe he is, then he'd be receiving quite the generous allowance from the government each month. Regardless, he's made a very grave mistake.

“Then by your own admission you've no need of the money! What's the harm in knocking a few thousand silver off the price? Assuming I survive my future endeavors, you'd have one yourself a loyal customer! I'll happily admit I'm quite pleased with what I've seen so far of your shop.”

The old man folds his arms across his chest. “It's the principle of the matter. One does not give a child the keys to the Shah's Vault for naught but a silver piece. That, oh valued customer, is what you ask of me! You cannot be more than, what, perhaps thirty at most? By your own admission, the armor is worthless to you! You can't wear it, nor should you. To do so could result in your death or the loss of your sanity. Then where would I be, without my newfound loyal customer?”

You get the impression that he's playing with you, or at the very least not taking this all that seriously. It frustrates you but only mildly. “You would not call me a child if you knew the things I've seen, or the places I've been.” Above your head stretches a pale canvas, scenes of the Mines of Longia painting themselves upon its surface. “I have delved deep beneath the surface of Mundus in search of ancient artifacts.”

>>37709042
would it work with one correctly sized (I imagine something around a fist size) ice shard vibrating inside the illusion then?

“I have traveled to impossible lands-” The image above you is replaced by one of the futuristic city in which you were imprisoned for a brief period. “-and learned things you cannot imagine.” You let the illusion drop, light returning to the room. You hadn't realized you'd dimmed them. Oddly enough you feel that headache you experienced yesterday starting to return, but as it stands it's merely a dull throb in your temples.

“In only a few days time I will voyage into the Pa'vala myself in search of an artifact to free the mind from foul influences and restore one's sanity. I am more than capable of taking care of myself, the fact I'm still alive should testify to that.”

You can't really be certain, but you think that you've won a bit of the old man's respect. “Longia? I recall that ruin well. I led an expedition once to map out the upper levels. We didn't get more than a hundred feet down before we had to abandon the entire endeavor. Giant spiders, lizards the size of a man, foul entities from the Void itself, and all sorts of other monstrosities walk those halls. If what you say is indeed true... well, I could accept six thousand gold for the armor and spear.”

That's not a bad price, really. You got him down to less than seventy percent of his original price. You knew that the fifty percent you'd hoped for was a pipe dream, but you think you ought to be able to negotiate for a little less than what he's offering. “Five thousand silver, it's a fair price. It's a fortune, really.”

The old man shakes his head. “I could get four thousand just for donating the armor itself to the Shah. Eight hundred or so for the sword. At that price, I may as well donate them.”

>>37709665
You aren't thinking big enough, how about a sousaphone to go with an oud?

You question whether or not it's really a donation if they pay you for the items, but push that thought from your mind. “So far as I was aware, forty eight hundred was still less than five thousand. Unless they altered some basic rule of arithmetic while I've been wandering the waste. What's your counter offer then?”

There is a long pause as the merchant considers. “Fifty six hundred. You're practically stealing them from me at that price.”

There is a brief back and forth as you name one price and he names another. Eventually you settle on fifty two hundred silver. You really feel like you came out the winner, but that's still a significant sum. Not half your wealth, but nearly so.

You lay your cloak on the floor and pull it away, revealing a small chest sitting neatly on the floor. The old man doesn't even seem the slightest bit phased by your little trick. Unlike your usual tendency to pay as much of the cost in gold as you could, you decided to distribute the cost more evenly. Three hundred gold pieces, and seven hundred silver, for a total value of five thousand two hundred silver.
>New Wealth: 6410 silver (298gp, 1940sp); Very wealthy, seldom little is beyond your price range.
>Gained Fiendish Trident!
>Gained Heavy Warlock Armor!
>Gained Shield of the Scorpion!
>Gained Shield of Leleki!

You heft the chest of coins onto the counter and slide it across to the old man, grabbing the spear and sliding it into your cloak. The armor is a bit trickier of a prospect, as it doesn't easily fit inside your cloak. Fortunately when you drape it over the massive construction of carapace and steel, Ricky does the rest of the work for you by dragging it inside. Once your new gear is safely within your possession, you drape your cloak over one arm.

(Still writing dialogue with old man, but wanted to get this out to y'all. Man, I say really too much. I need to cut down on that shit.)

>>37709882
Ice isn't really flexible. Vibrating ice really isn't that great of an idea, just like vibrating most solids, really. If you really want to vibrate something to produce sound a flexible membrane is by far the best thing you can get, but then you'd just have an ordinary speaker and you have to ask yourself the question why we would do something as lame as that we can can produce sound with lightning.

>Fiendish Trident ([Range: Medium] Deals soul and sanity damage, Hidden Effects)
>Heavy Warlock Armor [STORED] (+10 Soak Damage, +6 Attack, -4 Dodge, Passive Vys Gain [10/hr], Passive Health Improvement, Hidden Effects)
>Shield of the Scorpion [STORED] (+4 Attack, +4 Soak Damage, +2 Dodge, Hidden Effects)
>Shield of Leleki [Profectus] (+8 Soak Damage, +2 Attack, Hidden Effects)

>>37710037
>10/hr
Holy shit that's insanse.

>>37710087
Indeed, it's five times more per hour than your Warlock Armor.

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>>37710037
>Hidden Effects
We've got to meditate on all of that at least once, especially the tident. I mean, really especially the trident.

>>37710087
you just noticed that?
It was said it does that at the start.
>>37710113
I forgot that it does that since we rarely wear it for longer than an hour.

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>37710037
>>Heavy Warlock Armor [STORED] (+10 Soak Damage, +6 Attack, -4 Dodge, Passive Vys Gain [10/hr], Passive Health Improvement, Hidden Effects)
Jesus Christ

>Shield of Leleki [Profectus] (+8 Soak Damage, +2 Attack, Hidden Effects)
Holly fuck. We have to teach Prof some Metal magic for his Centurion Armor. He'll be able to tank it up.

>>37710113
Does that mean we'll need five times more than the warlock armors req. vys pool to withstand it?

>>37710169
Who knows~

>>37709888
>“In only a few days time I will voyage into the Pa'vala

Hol da fug up I thought we was gunna let that fall down the list so we can Git Gud?

>>37710037
>Shield of the Scorpion [STORED] (+4 Attack, +4 Soak Damage, +2 Dodge, Hidden Effects)

When we get back to the house can we spar with Darzi? Then maybe meditate on the shield so we can figure out what it does before we rely on it to save our life.

Just another thing to put on the to do list.

>>37710113
soo between 200-300 vys pool

>>37710189
No that was one person talking while the most ignored him.

>>37710189
Well if we end up doing >>37707389
Then we can meditate while SK does whatever it is he decides to do.

>>37710113
So Soma, since our old warlock armor was totally not!Chitin armor, how far up the total power scale was it to say, compared Daedric armor (on-lore strength, not in-game) and how good is this new warlock armor?
I just kind of want to know how close to engame this armor is.
It's fine if you don't want to spoil anything by answering.

>>37710189
Not really, the plan was going to Khemdi, possibly going to Anthus, coming back to El-Amin to pick up our companions and then heading to the Pavala, nothing has changed since.

>>37710189
We're killing Chryss husband, picking up Vys, then setting off to the Pa'vala

>>37710228
You dont seem to understand the time it would talk for that. years.

>>37710255
This is pretty much what I thought it was.
Zahak's presence or absence yet to be decided, and barring all the wonderful situations between El-Amin, Khemdi, Anthus, and back that will be encountered.

>>37710252
>how close to engame this armor
Endgame armor is crafted and Enchanted by us for us.

>>37710189
Why do you think there are anons trying to figure out how to safely travel it, and there are some wanting a change of course.

>>37710288
Years to build a hot air balloon?

There's gotta be a rune for the concept of flight, if there are runes which express most things...

I just noticed that we can use the spear to help bring our insanity back up, when we want to enchant shit.

>>37710317
Well if enchanting was somewhat common knowledge once there were bound to be enchanters more knowledgeable and powerful than us that could pull of stuff we can't even dream of yet.
Just because we're currently one of two enchanters in existance doesn't mean we're very good at it.

>>37710370
>nigga wants to stab himself in the dick to be better at enchanting

>>37710370
That's a terrible idea.

>>37710376
That's why Endgame isn't for another few hundred years

>>37710370
No.... just no.

>>37710341
I just assumed you were the guy begging for airship/wingsuits

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>>37710370
>hey Chrys, can you stab me with this demonic looking spear repeatedly? I need to get a little more insane to pull off this enchantment that fills this tub I have in my cloak and heats it so I can bathe whenever I want

>>37710420
>>37710407
We do have the ring, and once we get rid of the entity, the only other way to raise our insanity is to have some one use earth on us.

The old man is quite engrossed in counting your money, but you figure there's no reason not to make light conversation. It's not like counting coins is a particularly thought intensive process. “You seem a well traveled sort, would you mind sharing tales of your past adventures? Any advice for one who intends to journey into the Pa'vala?”

The merchant looks up from his counting, nodding his head. “Oh yes, plenty of advice. Perhaps the best advice I could give you is this: Don't go there. I know that will mean nothing to you, but trust me when I say that the Pa'vala is an inhospitable wasteland. I lost many dear friends on my voyage into that blighted realm.”

He pauses counting for a moment, consumed by a fit of coughing. Once it subsides he clears his throat and launches into a story. “I recall once, we were in the company of some of the natives. Believe it or not, people do live in the Pa'vala. Not many people, but a few. Anyway, they spotted signs of a worm on the approach in the distance. I didn't see anything, but they all insisted we pick up the pace.”

“They have this strange, shuffling way of walking. Like they're all touched in the head. Rather comical to watch, supposedly it prevents drawing the attention of the worms. Regardless it didn't work on that specific occasion. Beneath us the sand began to turn, and in an instant we were rising through the air as massive jaws began to enclose our entire band, swallowing us whole. Fortunately I was able to escape thanks to an artifact I had in my possession, I called them Boots of the Giant, they allowed me to travel an inordinate amount of space with but a single stop. I think it relied to some degree on the same principals by which spirits jump themselves all about the place.”

(1/2 or 3)

>>37710468
That sounds something that mik would say.

He waves a hand dismissively. “Anyway, two of my companions were not so lucky, nor were the vast majority of he natives. Only myself, our guide, a human I'd met in Aleamond, and my first wife, may she find peace within Pani's embrace, managed to escape death. Our guide led us to an old ruin where we took shelter for the night.”

He shakes his head sadly, a rattling sigh ushering from beneath his mask. “In terms of practical advice? Hire a guide, an experienced guide. It's the only way you'll have a chance of making it through the Pa'vala alive. Do exactly as they say, when they say it. Regardless of how strange what they ask may seem.”

He sets the last of your coin atop one of the many piles arrayed before him, nodding. “Everything seems to be in order. I wish you luck, though I will not be holding my breath until our next meeting.”

Upon exiting the shop you find Stelios leaned against the side of your carriage, staring off down the street at two arguing Vatis. One of them shoots a jet of flame at the other, who merely extinguishes it without so much as a glance. It seems rather heated, to say the least. Not that it's any of your concern.

>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.
>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.
>Instead of meditating, you ought to read a book.
>You should see about sparing with one of your companions.
>Write-in

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

>>37710520
>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.

>>37710520
>>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

>>37710520
>>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.

>>37710468
>fills this tub I have in my cloak and heats it so I can bathe whenever I want
You could totally make a self heating tub as it is right now. Unfortunately you don't yet know the rune for water, so it couldn't be both self heating and self filling.

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.
The carriage ride back there takes quite a while doesn't it? If so could we read a few chapters during that?

>>37710520
>>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.
Let's hit 50 Vys before heading into the Pa'vala yeah?

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

>>37710603
This.

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

>>37710520
>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.

>>37710603
Seconding.

>>37710520
>>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.

>>37710520
>Honestly, you're tired of shopping. Head home and relax, meditate.

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.
Even the old man says its a death trap, i wonder if soma is giving us a hint on how deadly the place is?

>>37710636
>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

Sorry just remembered we told her we were going to do this. Changing my vote.

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.
Didn't we promise to do this?

>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.
ayy fug ur plot hooks

>>37710657
>>37710652
>>37710620
>>37710592
>>37710570
>Shopping is gay

>>37710666
>>37710663
>>37710634
>>37710622
>>37710603
>>37710572
>>37710559
>>37710691
>>37710696
>But you did promise...

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

Hey archive anon, how far are you into the quest?

>>37710520
>You should see about sparing with one of your companions.

I really hate shopping and negotiating. Maybe I'm just getting that adventuring itch but damn.

Also I no longer want to go into the desert. I used to be vocally for it, but Soma has told us through enough characters for even me to realize we aren't ready

>>37710520
>Back to the estate! You need to pick up Chrys and find a smith to fix her armor.

>>37710726
The e-book guy or the other guy?

>>37710742
We could try raiding the nearby ruins.

>>37710742
Obviously we're not ready. That why we've repeatedly discussed how we're going to prepare and who we're going to seek knowledge from in order to become prepared.
But before that we have a husband to off and very likely some other things.

>>37710755
I thought it was the same guys.

>>37710520
>my first wife
>Vatis with not just one, but multiple wives
wut

>>37710776
>>37710742
We can always take care of the bandits near anthus and the like.

>>37710811
>believing vatis follow those retarded rules
>not knowing that most just fuck around
Most vatis keep their relationships low key.

>>37710811
He never said what service he performs for the Shah.

>>37710878
>>37710811
His "wives" were all Shahs.

Did we get traveling clothes yet?

>>37710878
>>37710811
Doesn't the shah have 3 types of guards, one is vatis hunters, one is the royal guard, and the other is his fabled assassins.

>>37710742
We've got some other stuff to do first, in that time our party could try to get gud and informed about the Pavala, especially since that mansion now has pretty awesome training rooms.
Once we return we'd also spend some time actually preparing of course if people don't try to rush things, which could actually get us killed this time.
I hope this doesn't happen, I really do.

>>37710936
No?

>>37710811
Vatis are not the exclusive wielders of magical power in Pidjata, as I've said most everyone knows at least a little magic. Parlor tricks. Only those of exceptional talent or those with enough money to bribe a few officials end up being Vatis.

Thus, most talented magic users ought to be Vatis, but it's feasible to believe that a magically powerful Samjan could escape detection throughout his life and learn to cast on his own. Granted it would be incredibly difficult, but not impossible.

>>37710936
For the most part, vatis are employed to hunt down other vatis once they've gone rogue. All Vatis are technically employed by the shah. His Royal Guard are more like a personal retinue, a force to keep the nobility in check. The assassins supposedly vanished along with the Hiacian Empire.

>>37710941
We should at least be able to Wearlock armor armor for extended periods of time.

We should at least try on the Heavy Warlock Armor. Just to see what it's like.

>>37711009
Yeah.

But no longer than a minute.

>>37710994
Doesn't the duration we can wear it have more to do with our vys pool than anything else?
If anything we should try enlarging that, finish our books, learn effects and so on, plenty of time for that during our upcoming travel.

Centurion Armor [STORED]: (+5 Soak Damage, Spell Amplification, Magic Detection (Active), Hazmat Gear (Active), Self-Repairing (Active), Health Improvement (Passive), Boost Physical Attributes (Active), Hidden Effects)

Warlock Armor [STORED]: (+4 Soak Damage, +2 Attack, +2 Dodge, Passive Vys Gain [2/hr], Passive Health Improvement, Hidden Effects)

Heavy Warlock Armor [STORED] (+10 Soak Damage, +6 Attack, -4 Dodge, Passive Vys Gain [10/hr], Passive Health Improvement, Hidden Effects)

>>37710993
Of course the assassins vanished with the Hiacian Empire, they failed to prevent their final mission of stopping the cultists who were trying to resurrect Prvthi, ultimately leading to the Hiacian Capital becoming the Pa'vala.

>>37711009
>>37711028
No
No please

>>37710993
Soma have we ever heard of any sort of rumor or legend about the Shahs Heavy Guard or something along those lines?

>>37710993
Soma would a tower shield go well with the Heavy Warlock armor?

>>37711066
>>37711066
Yeah.

Also better to drain your Vys pool first. Half is probably good

>>37711077
That actually sounds like an awesome table top.

Party founds the Assassins of Hicia for the glorious shah and they're sent on a mission to stop the resurrection of a dead god. and they failed.

That'd be pretty fun.

>>37711176
It was the plot of that shitty assassins creed spin off.

>>37711176
The DM really wanted them, to feel that one.

>you failed
> and pretty much threw the entire known world into a dark age