You drift away in the familiar feeling of pleasure, yes that’s it Lirael, that’s exactly what you need, take as much as you need Lirael...
Through your rapport with Lirael you can feel her intense pleasure as well, of course you can, she’s the one feeding on you, but no wait, this feels different, this is not the way it felt last time the two of you fed in a gestalt, what is happening to you?

You force your eyes open to see the pale vampire standing as his tendrils connect him to Lirael, Kaelyn, Rainya...and you. All of you are kneeling or lying down, the shadowy tendrils pulse, as if something is being moved along their lengths, in their dark forms you can see streams of some sort of liquid moving up the arms from you and your allies...towards the vampire. As you watch, Kaelyn weakly grabs the tendril in her neck with both hands and screams in effort as she pulls it out, blood pouring from the wound.

[Kaelyn HP 110/113, Con 24/25]

Your own stubborn nature exerts itself and despite the bliss, despite the sheer joy you are feeling right now, you realise that this vampire is going to drink you and your friends to death. Your hand caressing and stroking the tendril in your arm forms into a fist and tears the thing out of you. Its toothy maw snaps at you, spraying you with droplets of your own blood.

Lirael and Rainya both lay on the floor twitching. Their mouths open as they moan in pleasure, their eyes unseeing.

[Lirael HP 111/114, Con 15/16]
[Rainya HP 55/58, Con 25/26]

Your mind is still connected to Liraels, she’s overwhelmed by the intense pleasure and unable to act herself, but can still use her psychic powers as you direct, you manage to maintain the gestalt.

You’re in an alleyway battling a shadow-using vampire you’re trying to capture, so far you’ve stopped him escaping and got him somewhere without any witnesses, but subduing him isn’t going to be easy it seems.

Actions?

Shee
>Attack (weapon?)
> Use Power (what?)
>Other (what?)

Kaelyn
>Attack (weapon?)
> Use Power (what?)
>Other (what?)

Rainya and Lirael are unable to act, but the gestalt is intact.

You’ve been affected by two magical powers

One Hundred Hungry Maws
You can create mouths anywhere on your body or upon Shadow Arms you create. These mouths do your normal bite damage and you gain vitae as normal from victims of these bites. These bites have all of the normal effects of your own bites including disabling the target, addiction etc. To gain Vitae from Shadow Arms the Arms must be connected to you. This power costs 3 psychic energy points and allows you to create or banish extra mouths at will, for one encounter, or 10 minutes outside of combat.

Long Shadow Reaches the Horizon
When attacking a single foe with two or more of your limbs or Shadow Arms, if you miss with all of your attacks against that foe you can use this power to have one of your attacks hit, with its normal effect. This costs 22 psychic energy points, less 1 per attack you made, to a minimum of 2 psychic energy points.

Absorb One Hundred Hungry Maws? (10 PE/Vitae)

>Y/N

Absorb Long Shadow Reaches the Horizon? (10 PE/Vitae)

>Y/N

Both of these are techniques from the Grasping Abyss Mystical Style.

Grasping Abyss
This mystical style was invented by the Oubliette to make better use of their Shadow Arms and focuses on using these Arms in combat. Followers of this style learn techniques that focus on grappling and using a vampires natural bite attack to disable their targets, as well as the use of multiple limbs in combat. Of less use to those without bite attacks or lots of limbs, some of its powers are still useful to those who want to learn how to evade any attack, slipping past attackers like a shadow.

>>38214332
>Quickened Dominate
>Force Blades

So, we can't block that LSRtH with Invulnerable Hide, because it doesn't technically cause damage?

>>38214371
You can't block it hitting you with Invulnerable Hide, but you can block the bite damage.

If players want I can call for a vote on using Invulnerable Hide to avoid getting bitten and partially change OP post as a result.

>>38214398
No, it's too pricy and we recovered anyway.

>>38214332
Shee
>Dominate(Quicken)
Kaelyn
>Dragon’s Shielding Wings
N
N

>>38214332
>N
>Y

>>38214398
If the bite happens anyway, there is no point.
Would Liquid Shape prevent the effect of being bitten?
And shouldn't we get a Willpower roll to act while being bitten, at least Lirael should have made one, no?

>>38214332
>>38214371
Adding
N
N
Wasting our PE on that now would be retarded.
If we win, we can still learn it.

>>38214332
>Quickened Dominate
>Force Blades
>N
>N

>>38214332
Shee
>Dominate (Quicken)

Kaelyn
>Dragon Style

>N
>N

Both of those abilities kinda suck anyway.

>>38214452
>Both of those abilities kinda suck anyway.
I dunno, if we could get them to work with our tentacles, that'd be pretty amazing.

>>38214421
>Would Liquid Shape prevent the effect of being bitten?

It the bite failed to beat the damage from Liquid Shape, yes.

>And shouldn't we get a Willpower roll to act while being bitten, at least Lirael should have made one, no?

You can act normally, I made Will rolls whilst writing the OP, you and Kaelyn passed, Lirael and Rainya failed.

>>38214470
I guessed as much, I just wasn't sure if the willpower roll only applies to the super-bite of FoL.

>>38214470
>It the bite failed to beat the damage from Liquid Shape, yes.
So even if his tentacle hits and it fails to penetrate our DR, the effect doesn't happen?

>>38214332
Shee
>Dominate (Quicken)

Kaelyn
>Dragon Style

>>38214489
>So even if his tentacle hits and it fails to penetrate our DR, the effect doesn't happen?

Correct

So Quickened Dominate and Force Blades

Ok, 4d20 roll for

Quicken
Dominate
Force Blades
Backlash

please

Rolled 15, 3, 16, 15 = 49 (4d20)

>>38214522

Rolled 2, 3, 11, 14 = 30 (4d20)

>>38214522
5/15

>>38214522
And forgot to say, please vote on extra PE/Vitae used for

Quicken
Dominate

Average of 3 votes usd

Rolled 8, 4, 10, 16 = 38 (4d20)

>>38214522
0
20
0?

>>38214536
2/ 20

Rolled 20, 5, 3, 5 = 33 (4d20)

>>38214522
5 10

Rolled 11, 20, 8, 3 = 42 (4d20)

>>38214522
0/21

>>38214528
>>38214532
>>38214539
15, 4, 16, 16.

Fucking seriously dice gods.

Also, why are some people spending PE on Quickening? The first roll had already passed the DC without any overcharge, we only need to beat a 12 with the natural roll for it to work.

>>38214559
>Also, why are some people spending PE on Quickening?
Because they hadn't seen the first roll when they poste, obviously.

Luckily even with a roll of four he would need a will check of 60+. Thats pretty much impossible.

>>38214572
Unless he has a defense that lets him burn vitae for points.

>>38214572
I can understand that first guy because there was only an 18 second gap, but everyone else has no excuse.

>>38214588
Then he's either fucked or has to burn so much vitae he's in a much weaker position.

>>38214572
>he would need a will check of 60+
In addition to having a -5 on all defenses due to Imposibility, and the Bonus to cotrol from Corruption.

>>38214588
Even assuming he happens to anticipate that massive psychic onslaught I heavily doubt he can beat that.
If he does have a ability that can beat even that, then we are better of transforming into Titanic Shape and Ego-Humbling Strike him into a coma.

>>38214600
>>38214607
Yeah but he's getting Vitae from Rainya and Lirael, and digging in even more invasively by the second.

Before the vampire can hurt your friends anymore you lash out with your psychic powers, boosted by your gestalt, freezing him in his tracks, even as Kaelyn summons a pair of magical blades into being.

[Lirael Vitae 28/160]

The vampire simply stands there, held in the grip of your will. You can feel him fighting you still, trying to break free, trying to slip away from your control. Holding him isn’t easy, but you manage it. At your urging his shadowy limbs release your friends and Lirael and Rainya recover, looking around as if unsure where they are, slowly climbing to their feet.

“Shee?” says Rainya “What just happened?” She is clutching the wound on her neck.

“He bit you with his shadow arms” you say, pointing to the pale vampire, his shadow arms still coiling around him slowly.

“It was...it was...wow...” says Rainya, her eyes still unfocused.

“So” says Kaelyn, giving the vampire a hate-filled glare “now what?”

You can feel Liraels hunger inside you. Actions?

>Teleport to desert
>Take the vampire to the Waystation
>Other (what?)

The vampires will struggles against yours but fails to break free, so far.

[2XP, Forged by Battle]

>>38214625
And? That makes no real difference.
Assuming he has some ability that allows him to resist Psychic invasion by spending vitae, then there isn't really anything we can do about that.
Then we need to go Titanic Shape in the next round and beat him to barely living paste.

>>38214653
>Beat him up, KO him the regular way

>>38214653
>Take the vampire to the Waystation
>Subtle Teleport

>>38214653
Kae knock his ass out. then
>Teleport to desert
then
>Take the vampire to the Waystation
Misdirection.

>>38214653
>Take the vampire to the Waystation

>>38214653
>Take the vampire to the Waystation


>>38214665
>>38214676
You guys do realise forcing him to not resist getting knocked out violently can end the power?

Can Lirael feed from this guy and get vitae back??

>>38214690
Yes

>>38214688
Yeah but as soon as we drop domination he'll get free and we don't have enough vitae or pe to actually mindrape him right now.

>>38214653
>Take the vampire to the Waystation
>Make him relase his shadow arms

>>38214704
We don't need to, the moment we put him in our realm we can restrain him with no shadows at all available.
And there we can knock him out without troubles.

>>38214722
Pretty sure our realm has shadows, and to reshape it like that while dominating him? We'd lose control.

>>38214653
>Take the vampire to the Waystation
>Subtle Teleport, if that isn't already assumed

>>38214749
Let's at least get him to the realm where he can't teleport out before beating him half to death.

>>38214749
>Pretty sure our realm has shadows
Not if we don't want it to.

And we certainly won't lose control from just conjuring a few chains.

>>38214756
Thing is right now we're not in any shape to fight him. Nor is Lirael.

>>38214757
>Not if we don't want it to.
Takes time and effort to do anything in our realm and this guy is not peacefully under our control. Breaking light physics would require a lot of effort and focus. As would making chains strong enough to hold a vampire who likely has at least a few points in might.

>>38214779
>Takes time and effort to do anything in our realm
Yes, appropriate to the change we make, having shadows not be there under the full sun, isn't exactly hard.

>>38214779
>Thing is right now we're not in any shape to fight him.
If we wanted to, we could still definitly fight him.
One Life Drain and then Titanic Shap, no problem.
As long as he can't teleport, we can fight him easily.

>>38214806
We're trying not to murder him anon.

>>38214797
Breaking physics actually is kinda hard.

Anyways I gotta go Don't let Rainya get bite addicted cause of this guy.

>>38214839
>Breaking physics actually is kinda hard.
Dude, we violate the conservation of energy with a thought.
You think making light bend, or the sand glow is hard?

“We take him back to the Waystation” the part of you that is Shee says “everyone grab me.” Your friends close in and you mask your psychic powers before teleporting back to the Waystation and having the vampire walk up to the stairs to your Realm, dropping his shadowy arms as you do so.

All the while his Will battles yours, you keep a firm grip on him, but you know that a single moments lapse of concentration and he could be free.

You all stand around looking at him, standing their on the beach, his face a picture of effort, as if he’s trying to lift a boulder, but otherwise doing nothing.

Rainya waves a hand in front of his eyes, he doesn’t react. “So he’s under your control?” she asks.

“For now he is” you say, keeping your voice even despite the constant battle of wills.

“So what are you going to do with him?” asks Kaelyn “construct a prison of light or something?”

“Maybe” you say “I’m not sure.” You’re not exactly sure what to do.

You could keep him under your direct control whilst he teaches Lirael how to use shadow powers, but that could take days, and either you or Lirael would need to watch him whilst you maintain the gestalt the entire time.

You could try and build a prison of some sort for him here in your realm.

You could perform psychic surgery on him to make him more pliable. But both you and Lirael are running low on energy, and if she feeds on you to recover, you’ll almost certainly lose control. Still, she could feed on the vampire, or on someone else...

Or you could ask Kaelyn to knock him out or beat him so badly he can’t escape, but he’s a vampire, he will recover quickly, and you’re not exactly sure how badly you’d need to hurt him without killing him, to stop him getting away.

Or you could try talking to him in his own mind, see if a deal can be made. Or you could try something else.

Actions?

>Maintain control directly
>Build a prison (what?)
>Psychic surgery (who does Lirael feed on?)
>Knock him out (beat him up? Y/N)
>Try negotiating
>Other (what?)

>>38214882
>Knock him out N
then
>Build a prison, put him in the old shack, restrain him heavily, make everything glow light. Then reinforce the walls and make the door disappear.

Could we drain him of blood until he reaches a point where he's not able teo use any of his abilities? That seems like a good way to nullify his threat. Feed him the smallest amount needed to survive and no more.

>>38214869
>>38214898
This but in different order
>Put him in the old shack, restrain heavily, Knock him out, make everything glow light. Then reinforce the walls and make the door disappear.

First restraining, then knocking out, in case that makes the power end.

>>38214912
We don't know how much that is.

>>38214912
That's certainly possible, but will you just cut him, or have Lirael feed on him, or will you do so yourself?

>>38214882
>Feed directly from him
>Psychich surgery

>>38214882
>Knock him out
>Psychic surgery (him)
If we can't down him
>Try negotiating

>>38214882
>>38214914
Seconding.
We need a good rest before deciding anything else

>>38214939
>>38214944
Why do you want to do anything right now, when we are weak and beat u, instead of just improsining him until we are ina better shape tomorrow?
You don't negotiate while you are weak.

>>38214927
If we fed on him ourself, do we think we would be able to sense the point of death?

If so...

>Maintain control directly while feeding on him
>Psychic surgery.

>>38214882
>Put him in the old shack, restrain heavily, Knock him out, make everything glow light. Then reinforce the walls and make the door disappear.

>>38214960
I don't want to negotiate, it's too lat efor that. I want Lirael to feed from him to drain his vitae and recover Lirael's.

>>38214960
Feeding on him removes most of his threat. We can then make the prison. Trying to reshape our reality so we can make a prison before nullifying him seems more likely to break the domination to me.

>>38214961
Clearly we can't or we wouldn't have needed Rainya to watch Lirael.

>>38214960
Why do you assume he wont escape?

>>38214989
Yeah and having Lirael feed on him while we have amnetal link to him and get the feedback is a fantastic idea that won't at all break the control.
We can still do ANYTHING after properly restraining him.

>>38215002
How?

>>38214996
That's a matter of losing control from hunger. And we didn't need Rainya, we were just over cautious.

>>38215011
>That's a matter of losing control from hunger.
Except she wasn't hungry at that point.

>>38215011
>That's a matter of losing control from hunger.
No? Lirael wasn't hungry at all. Quite the opposite.
NOW she is hungry and could loose control.

Stick him in the shack it is, please roll Willpower 1d20+12

Rolled 8 + 12 (1d20 + 12)

>>38215025
Isn't our Willmod +13?

Rolled 3 + 12 (1d20 + 12)

>>38215025

>>38215018
And she didn't lose control. I don't see your point

.>>38215022
I'm voting for Shee to drain him, not Lirael.

Rolled 1 + 12 (1d20 + 12)

>>38215025

Rolled 1 + 12 (1d20 + 12)

>>38215025
Why +12 and not +13?

>>38215035
Still have the shards presumably.

>>38215032
>I'm voting for Shee to drain him, not Lirael.
We can't use a vampire in hunger frenzy.

>>38215050
Pretty sure we picked that one shard out by now.

>>38215035
>>38215033
Jesus christ, thank god this is a best of three.

Rolled 10 + 12 (1d20 + 12)

>>38215009
>How?
How good do you think we are at making prisons? It could happen if the dice favor him.

>>38215068
>How good do you think we are at making prisons?
Its not particularly hard to make a big box out of steel. Problem solved. He can't go anywhere.
Have Kaelyn stand watch.

>>38215051
Yeah, but having him weak like that will give us time to take stock. Once we have him properly contained and weak we can recover ourselves in order to deal with him on better terms. I suspect this attempt at creating a prison with the vamp at full power is going to end in failure.

>>38215068
The dice can't favour you to do things that you just can't. If there is no exit, he can't escape.
We even remove all shadows in it, there is no way to escape.
We can even drain him AFTER restraining him. But draining him BEFORE is stupid.

>>38215079
And hope that counters every trick he has. It might work, it might not and I hope it will.

>>38215079
We've already seen this guy can teleport. He can teleport anywhere within our realm no problem. Outside, probably not. Also he's mostly at full strength.

>>38215032
>I don't lose see point
You said it was a matter of losing control from hunger. It was not, as she was not hungry, meaning Lirael hypothetically could've killed or seriously injured us despite being well-fed. Based off that, it's unlikely that vampires can sense the point of death or severe injury, because she'd never do that knowingly.

>>38215116
>We've already seen this guy can teleport.
Thanks to Shadowcraft, no shadows, no teleport.
And it doesn't take vitae to teleport anyway.

>>38215109
>And hope that counters every trick he has.
Where does it say thats the only thing we do? We cans till drain him after putting him in the box, fuck, we can have the box drain him.
The point is to not drain him before we have made sure he can't escape if Dominate breaks.

>>38215118
If that were the case there'd be much more dead feeders around. Still seems speculative as to what the case actually may be.

The Rainya precaution seemed unnecessary over-caution. Unless I was reading that part entirely wrong.

We should really construct a huge barrier in front of the entrance/exit to our realm. Even if he gets free of our control, he'll be trapped in here and we can re-capture him.

“We’ll deal with him properly when I’m feeling better” you say “for now the prison sounds good.”

You walk the vampire over to the first building you made here, the shack by the door and you conjure chains that you wrap him in, layers and layers of them.

“Kaelyn if you would be so kind?” you ask, Kaelyn kicks him hard and he falls down, but doesn’t truly pass out. His will smashes into yours but you retain control, for now.

“Sleep well” you say to him as you leave. Thanks to your link with Lirael you can maintain control of him even though you can no longer see him.

You close the door on the recumbent vampire even as the inside of the shack starts to glow. Then you wipe away the door, leaving only a smooth stone wall.

But its not thick enough, he could break out. You thicken all of the walls, and the roof, and add a layer of thick stone underneath.

“That should hold him” you say “I hope” you are staring at a building that looks like a fortified bunker.

“Yeah” says Kaelyn “I am not sleeping up here alone, no way.”

“We’ll figure that out later” you say “for now, I need to spend some time digging bits of metal out of me.” You flex your hand, its still burns, and you head for the bowl and tweezers you used on Ash only a few short hours ago. Rainya and Lirael move to help you, and almost as an afterthought you end the gestalt, alone in your own mind once again, you link to Lirael and ti the vampire in the prison gone. Lirael gives you a worried look, as if she’s concerned by your thoughts.

Other than digging bits of Antinite out of your flesh, what are you doing this evening?

>Nothing, just resting
>I’m going to (what?)
>Drain the vampires blood (how?)

And tonight, who is staying with Kaelyn?

>No one, she can watch alone
>Someone will stay with her (who?)
>No one is staying in the Realm tonight
>Other (what?)

>>38215167
>Heal up, and feed Lirael
>Everyone stays in the realm tonight and we take shifts watching the shack.

>>38215167
>Nothing, just resting
>Someone will stay with her (Shee)

>>38215167
>Psychic Healing(Everyone, no CON healing)
>Feed Lirael
>Someone will stay with her (Lirael and Shee)

>>38215167
>Heal up, and feed Lirael
>Someone will stay with her (Shee)

>>38215167
>Drain the vampire's blood (Shee drinks)

>>38215167
>Heal up and feed Lirael
>Someone will stay with her (We'll all stay in the realm tonight, make a few guest bedrooms for her house if there aren't already some)

>>38215141
Fine, let's deal with how things are now.
>>38215167
>Drain the vampires blood (Any method)
>Heal up
>Someone will stay with her (shifts)

>>38215167
>Psychic Healing(Everyone, no CON healing)
>Feed Lirael
>Someone will stay with her(Shee)
>Rainya and Lirael guard the exit on the other side

>>38215167
Block off the door to our realm with a big solid block of metal so he can't get out even if he gets out of the shack.

Heal everyone.

>>38215167
>>38215198
Changing to
>Psychic Healing(Everyone, no CON healing)
>Feed Lirael
>Someone will stay with her (We'll all stay in the realm tonight, make a few guest bedrooms for her house if there aren't already some)
>Take shifts guarding, wake Lirael to scan for his mind if anything suspicious happens

>>38215217
>>38215198
>Psychic Healing(Everyone, no CON healing)
Why? Nobody took more than superficial damage and we need that psychic energy.

>>38215235
Because Psychic healing doesn't take PE except for CON healing, which I specifically said no to.
Please read the rules, guys. They are not that hard.

>>38215248
>Because Psychic healing doesn't take PE except for CON healing
>Psychic Powers all cost a single point of psychic energy to use.
It does, take your own advice. It only costs nothing if it specifically mentions costing nothing, which Psychic Healing does not.

>>38215267
>It only costs nothing if it specifically mentions costing nothing
No? Where do you even get that idea from?
Psychic powers don't cost anything unless they have a cost mentioned.

>>38215276
And they do, it's always a single point, as mentioned at the beginning of their damn segment.

>Psychic Powers

>Psychic Powers all cost a single point of psychic energy to use. Spending extra psychic energy has additional effects as listed under the psychic power in question, and, unless contradicted by the powers description adds a +1 bonus to the Willpower roll to use the psychic power, per extra point of Psychic Energy spent.

>>38215276
He means that one PE it costs, which we will have regenerated easily by then.
But it does cost one
Under psychic powers, in the Rule paste.

So healing, feeding Lirael and shift guard, ok, writing

>>38215291
It's not that fast of a regeneration rate at 1/hour, we currently only have 5 and we have a very, very hungry vampire to feed.

>>38215314
Even if she feeds until above 80, she only needs to feed 10 bites to get comfortably above 80, which we can easily survive and heal.
And we barely ever use CON anyway.

>>38215340
We don't really need to leave it, we can heal CON with 3PE so 3vitae from Lirael. If we feed her in gestalt we can heal one CON for every bite she takes and she still makes a plus in vitae of 2.
Makes the whole affair a bit drawn out, but we can be completly(as far as we can currently be) healthy at the end of it.

>>38215370
>virtually ulimited PE thanks to efficient feeding
Loli vampire daughterus, is there anything they can't do?

Can anyone explain to me the mechanics of World Humbling Strike more clearly?

If I'm understanding it, with our current stats/abilities it adds 72 damage to every attack with our infernal rifle thingy and it instantly tells you how the attacks you made with it affect whatever you hit and then lets you spend PE to alter the damage?

After digging the Antinite out of your skin and placing it with the pieces you took out of Ash you head down stairs to eat with your friends, you catch Dev up on recent events over your meal. After dinner you spend a thoroughly enjoyable hour or so feeding Lirael, followed by healing your companions and adding a few spare rooms to the beach house.

By the time you’ve done that it’s late enough for everyone to retire “I’ll take first watch” you say “and even when I’m not on watch, wake me if anything suspicious happens, ok?”

“What, you’re not staying for the pillow fight?” asks Dev with a grin

“What pillow fight?” asks Lirael, giving Dev a curious look.

“A sleepover with a lot of girls has to have a pillow fight its the rules I saw in a holo once” says Dev

“Exactly what sort of holo was this Dev?” asks Kaelyn, one hand on her hip., already in a night dress.

You shake your head and chuckle, closing the door as Dev protests his innocence.

You wander over to the bunker-prison you have created, wondering how to handle this vampire. Then you feel a familiar feeling in your mind, the vampire in your prison is using some kind of powers! You extend your psychic senses, can he teleport somehow despite the light, what-

Huh, he’s using telepathy but not on you, and after a quick check, not on your companions either, weird, is he making some sort of telepathic defences in anticipation of you reading his mind maybe?

What do you do?
>Nothing, just watch and wait for now
>Talk to him (precautions?)
>Lirael reads his mind (gestalt? Y/N)
>Other (what?)

>>38215441
>Regional Rule: No vampiric powers inside the prison
Can we do that yet?

>>38215441
>Lirael reads his mindY
If he communicates to his mates because Shee felt the need to say "Waystation" for no good reason, I'm gonna be mad.

>>38215441
>Lirael reads his mind (gestalt Y

>>38215465
>Can we do that yet?

It will cost XP but it is possible, yes.

>>38215469
Is interdimensional teleportation even possible?

>>38215484
He can't teleport out, we don't know if communicating with telepathy is possible. Using the Abyss might circumvent that barrier.

>>38215484
Telepathy I meant.

>>38215481
How much XP? If we were to spend this XP, would it be the ability to put (specific/non-specific) power blocks wherever we want, the ability to put blocks on vampire powers, or just creating this one regional block in this particular area?

>>38215481
How much?

>>38215441
>Lirael reads his mind (gestalt? Y

>>38215499
>>38215501

10 XP to block vampire powers from areas you designate, or telepathy powers.

Purchase this?

Y/N

>>38215521
Y

>>38215523
Yeah, I realized I kinda went fullretard after I hit the submit button and was waiting for the delete wait timer to run down.

>>38215521
>N
Far too expensive, we are supercharged on vitae enough now to Psychic Surgery him if we want to.

>>38215521
As in, its 10xp to block one of these, if you want to be able to block both, thats 20XP, a yes vote is assumed to be for vampire powers, sorry it wasn't clear

>>38215521
>N
5? Yes, 10? No.

>>38215521
N

>>38215521
>N

>>38215521
>N
We're better off buying up oceanic dream or defensive realm powers that are more general.

>>38215521
>Y

>>38215521
>Y

Ok, mind-reading + gestalt with Lirael, please roll 1d20+38 and vote on extra PE/vitae used.

[Shee HP 46/147, PE 5/48]
[Lirael Vitae 160/160]

And no vampire block purchased, just yet

Rolled 19 + 38 (1d20 + 38)

>>38215602

Rolled 12 + 38 (1d20 + 38)

>>38215532
>>38215570
>>38215581
Shouldn't you at least say what you want to buy? We don't have 20XP.

>>38215602
15vitae

>>38215437
That seems to be how it works, as far as I can tell.

Rolled 2 + 38 (1d20 + 38)

>>38215602
10

Rolled 1 + 38 (1d20 + 38)

>>38215602
5

>>38215437
>If I'm understanding it, with our current stats/abilities it adds 72 damage to every attack with our infernal rifle thingy
It ads +26 damage right now.
+13*((Willpower-15)/10)

>>38215656
The formula isn't completly accurate because it adds our Willmod for every 10 we have over 15, so it multiplies by whole numbers only, but it gets the point across.

You head back into the beach house as the girls harangue Dev and you say “Lirael I need to borrow you for a minute, could you please come and help me find out what he’s doing?”

“Sure Shee” says Lirael, the both of you head over to the prison and link minds, reaching out the vampire within the prison. Your combined telepathic touch simply rolls off his mind. You try again and again, to no avail, his shield is simply too strong.

[Vitae 150/160]

Through your link with Lirael you can feel that she is...confused about what she felt when the vampires shadowy limbs bit her, and a part of her wants to experience that feeling again.

What do you do?

>Keep trying to get into his head
>Nothing, just watch and wait for now
>Talk to him (precautions?)
>Other (what?)

>>38215684
>Keep trying to get into his head

>>38215656
It would be +72, since it add the Score (36) rather than the Modifier.

>>38215684
>a part of her wants to experience that feeling again
This gonna be good.

>>38215684
>Talk to him (Disable vampire abilities)

>>38215684
>Talk to him
>Take on Titanic Form, open the Box but make sure no shadows appear.
Might as well talk to him now.

>>38215698
I think thats a typo, since Ego-Humbling Strike also says score, but only adds mod in the actual write-up of Titanic Form in Shees charsheet.

>>38215684
>Talk to him (from outside)
>Explain to Lirael how bad being addicted can be.

>>38215684
>Talk to him
>Take on Titanic Form, open the Box but make sure no shadows appear.

Doesn't she already know how good it feels to be bitten, from the gestalt?

>>38215684
>Talk to him (precautions?)
Don't open the thing up, just create a phone thing to communicate through. And make it be made out of light. Have a microphone and a speaker embedded in the wall, and they'll both be made of light. We can have a speaker on our end too.

>>38215751
Its a physical and psychological addiction, she hadn't experienced the physical part yet.
And "normally" a vampire bite isn't addictive until after a lot of bites.

How do we want to open the talk? I think pointing out that he attacked us is worth trying if he complains about what we did.

>>38215684
this >>38215755

>>38215794
We definitly attacked him first.
Its pretty simple, we proven we can get into his mind if we really want to, so there is two ways this can go.
He helps us, and we get him something nice, we are fairly wealthy afterall, or we break his mind into pieces.

ok, 5 votes to tal, 2 with titanic form, 2 via phone and 1 *from outside* so I'm going with phone

>>38215755
>>38215735
I would prefer to have the ability to beat him unconscious if he doesn't stop whatever telepathy thing he's doing, isntead of just letting him keep doing it.
Just talking won't do much.

>>38215820
I'd prefer to not potentially let him escape and kill us+Lirael.

>>38215837
How would he potentially escape? In Titanic Form we can easily beat his shit in now.

>>38215850
If we open the room up, then that means there's a spot not making light. If he's not completely surrounded by light, he do shadow stuff.

>>38215820
We could've made our realm block telepathy permanently but no one wanted to.

You create an intercom in the wall in front of you that connects to another one inside the room and you say through it “What are you doing in there?” Your gestalt with Lirael fades.

A voice answers that is cultured, upper class, and utterly unlike the vampires voice from before “I’m curious child, why did you kidnap my servant?”

“Who am I talking to?” you ask, as Lirael gives you a curious look.

“The superior of the vampire you have imprisoned in your Realm, mageling” says the voice “I ask you again, why?”

Your response?

>Write-in dialogue

>>38215869
>, then that means there's a spot not making light
Except we can totally have light shine into the room when opening it.

>>38215878
Because we don't know if he uses psychic telepathy or vampire powers.

>>38215884
>I have need of your secrets of Shadows. I need someone to teach them to a vampire, and I would be even willing to bargain for them. Sadly I had no way to gain access to one of your kind, except through this crude kidnapping, for what its worth, I apologise for the necessity.

>>38215884
backing >>38215911

>>38215884

this >>38215911 seems good enough

>>38215884
>"ayy lmao"

>>38215890
>Because we don't know if he uses psychic telepathy or vampire powers.
Non-psychic Telepathy powers also count as Telepathy and would therefore be blocked.

I just didn't want to spend XP when we're trying to save it for Primacy of Blood.

>>38215884
>Necessity, most likely. The fae and the powers that be are growing more...active, and your clan's Shadow arts are needed, but not from your clan.

“I have need of your secrets of Shadows.” You say “I need someone to teach them to a vampire, and I would be even willing to bargain for them. Sadly I had no way to gain access to one of your kind, except through this crude kidnapping, for what its worth, I apologise for the necessity.”

There’s a pause and the voice says “Your methods are crude and violent, but I am listening, what do you offer in return for Guterins services as a teacher?” It adds “it goes without saying that any bargain will include his safe return, and don’t waste your time asking for his memory of your little hideaway to be taken, what he knows, I now know too.”

What do you offer?
>Money (amount?)
>Equal Exchange: Lirael teaches him her bloodline power (Ascension)
>I can offer you greater powers over the shadows (Void Bloodline power)
>Other (what?)

And what do you ask for?
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)
>Grasping Abyss Mystic Style
>What else can he teach?
>Other (what?)

>>38216100
It's something she has been thinking about as a way to keep Lirael free from Baalzamon

>>38216070
>Is there something you want?
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

Welp, and I thought that our realm is safe place.

>>38216070
>Money
>Given some time, I could enhance him by giving him powers too, depending on how long the teaching takes
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216070
>Equal Exchange: Lirael teaches him her bloodline power (Ascension)
>Why this is happening (Baalzamons plan)
I doubt we have enough money to matter to them.

>>38216070
>Money: Half a million.
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216070
>Money
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)
Or
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)
>Grasping Abyss Mystic Style
>I'm experimenting with transforming these shadow powers of yours into something even greater, if you help me succeed, I will teach you what I gleaned from it too, I believe that would help both of us to gain some freedom from the Heart of Darkness.

>>38216155
>>38216123
>>38216143
I really don't like the thought of offering Void to these guys. They aren't our allies and I'd really not like to ally with them and turn Baalzamon against us.

>>38216070
>Money (amount?)
Or brain rape.

>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216178
The other powers I mean isn't Void, its either mutations or psychic powers. Hence why we are being vague on purpose.

>>38216070
>Equal Exchange: Lirael teaches him her bloodline power (Ascension)
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216070
>Money
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216070
>Wealth, perhaps some form of power, or maybe you'd prefer I try to create for you a new form of flora with properties useful to your clan?

>Shadowcraft, nothing more.

>>38216192
Well, that's alright.

I just really don't want to get super chummy with these guys and have Baalzi turn on us. Mirror alone is bad, but both of them would be ridiculously horrible.

>>38216070
>Money
>Given some time, I could enhance him by giving him psychic powers too, depending on how long the teaching takes
>Just Shadowcraft power (nothing else)

>>38216070
Adding some of Kaes knowledge about the Fae to >>38216132

>>38216213
Thats a good idea too.
>>38216070
>>38216123
Adding
>or maybe you'd prefer I try to create for you a new form of flora with properties useful to your clan?

>>38216070
>Other
Idea: We can make any plant. We can make them remain real in the real world. They can do impossible shit.

How about we offer, on top of money or some other stuff, some kind of impossible plant to go with it? He can ask us to make it do something, like flowers that make blood or grow shadows or whatever. Let him pick something.

Do people think that sounds alright?

>>38216213
>try to create for you a new form of flora with properties useful to your clan?
Love it anon

>>38216070
>Money
>Pissing Baalzamon off
>Whatever info about the Fae
>A favor?

>Just Shadowcraft power

>>38216236
I think the plant alone would be worth it, I definitly like the idea enough we can at least suggest it.

>>38216213
this is actually better then what i wanted first

So, have we figured out we're half Old One yet?

Just to say I'm not sold on money or owing a favor.

Money for shadow powers alone seems to be the winner, plus an interesting write-in

add offer to create flora?

>Y/N

If yes, he might go for that alone, and not even want the money

>>38216260
To what are you referring? Are you talking about the new Ichor power from yesterday or are you talking about how Shee is actually literally descended from the Five?

>>38216276
>Y

>>38216276
>Y

>>38216276
Y

Which writein were you going with?

>>38216276
>Y

>>38216276
>Y

>>38216276
>Y
A plant that makes sweet blood would be worth a lot.

Although we should probably find a way to restrict its ability to produce seeds, we don't want them to become super powerful by creating a blood producing business.

>>38216279
I just finished reading the archives, and at the beginning...well, we weren't human from the start. We're a hybrid, of sorts, and not half-fae. Our other half was considered 'classified information'.

>>38216276
Y

>>38216310
Shee figured it out. After the scan said that she was a human hybrid, the Five explained that Reunited were descended from then and she realized that that's what the scan must have detected.

>>38216310
That was the part of us being descended from the Five, yeah.
I don't think Shee ever thought back to that, but she probably realised it when she was told by the Five.

>>38216326
>>38216330
Eh, that seems like a bit of a stretch...I mean, wouldn't that mean there are descendants of the five in the general population? It'd be like Genghis Khan.

>>38216344
Seeing as the Five regularly make them all go Highlander on eachother, not really that much of a stretch.

Plants it is

will be a short delay in posting, thank you for your patience

>>38216344
Its magical descendance genetics. Don't question it.
It might be a matter of percentage, or having specific sequences, and you need sequences from all Five anyway.

>>38216368
>>38216361
...would banging Baalzamon be bestiality? Or would Infinite Mirror be selfcest?

>>38216384
Every single one of them is some deviant fetish.

>Baalzamon - bestiality
>Mirror - selfcest
>King - demon
>Ichor - tentacle monster
>Jaggantha - hyper / size difference

>>38216384
Xenophilia is the word, I believe.

FoL 4, anyone? We'd get 8 vampXP that we could put towards shadow stuff which would turn into void stuff once we get PoB

>>38216401
Do you think some Reunited chose who they worshipped based on compatible fetishes?

>>38216422
We need FoL6 for PoB anyway, but not much point getting it before we are in the position to get it all and develop Void.

>>38216428
at lest one of them has statistically speaking

>>38216439
>not much point
After having gotten a taste, you better believe Rainya will jump our fangs hard.

>>38216439
I'd just really like to start spending towards it because we're going to end up nickel&diming ourselves to death as we hold on to the xp.

Fuck yeah, psychic rebel quest!

>>38216453
>because we're going to end up nickel&diming ourselves to death as we hold on to the xp
Not really? How so?
We don't get anymore or less XP from not spending it, so the only difference is cost of opportunity, because if we spend it, we can't spend it on something else we might desperatly need at some point.
Better to hoard the XP and then blow it all on FoL when the time comes.

>>38216447
we better get fangs before they go looking for other fangs... no one bites our waifu but us

>>38216422
I like it more for the 20 Vitae pool. That would help out so much.

>>38216475
They aren't addicted so thats not an issue, but Rainya knows we have fangs, so...

>>38216489
Not really, unless we feed on Lirael the exchange rate for Blood/PE spend on healing CON means we make no gain at all.

>>38216447
Lirael wanted to try getting bitten again, so she'd probably end up asking Shee if we got some actual fangs instead of the FoL2 piddly pokers we have now.

>>38216510
>Lirael wanted to try getting bitten again
No she didn't.
>Part of her
Isn't
>Lirael wants
Its just the after effect of having been bitten for the first time only a short while ago. It goes away by tomorrow.

>>38216439
If Rainya asks us to bite her and we accept for some reason, we should get FoL 4 before the actual bite so that it matches the normal vampire level of pleasure and she isn't disappointed. Other than that scenario, I'd like to save XP.

>>38216537
Pretty much, yes.

And I'm not really sure I would want to indulge her in that regard, bite addiction is still a problem, even with a regular biter.

Wish we'd gone for the Grasping Abyss. That shit would be insane with the hyperaddictive bite that FoL has at higher levels.

>>38216589
I rather get something that allows us to mutate fangs at our regular tentacles.

Am I the only one who wants to upgrade our melee weaponry?

>>38216617
Yes, unarmed combat tentacles are significantly better.

>>38216617
If you mean upgrade the tentacles no. If you mean trying to lash about with a sword or something.. when we have tentacles. Yes you're alone.

>>38216632
>not wanting flaming superheated machine daggers that can carve through flesh like melted butter in each of our tentacles

>>38216650
Which we would all need to spend an action summoning to get into our tentacles.

“I only what him to teach the power over shadows” you say “as for what I offer, how about money?”

“One hundred thousand credits” says the voice “per day.”

You wince at that, but rather than complain about how insane that offer sounds you reply “I can make plants that can do all sorts of amazing things, like fruit with blood in them, or artificial substances” you imagine plants that purify metal from stone or ones that make plastics or polymers.

“I’m listening” says the voice. You give a barebones explanation without really explaining how.

“What about ICE 39, or Freakout?” asks the voice.

“I don’t know what those are?” you say

The voice mentions other names, none of which you recognise, until it mentions the names of some street drugs you are familiar with.

“Those I do know” you say.

“Can you make plants that make them?” asks the voice

You can but....the drugs he has named are illegal, very addictive drugs. Although they are mostly made from plants the refining process is what makes them so addictive, and over time, lethal. You’re no expert but you imagine that the usual refining process is expensive, time consuming, and requires specialised lab equipment. A plant that makes the drugs on its own would be worth....millions.

“Because if you can” adds the voice “that’s my price, right there.”

Your response
>Ok, I’ll do it
>No, no plants
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs
>Offer plants that do something else (what?)
>other offer (what?)

And limitations?
>No limits
>Plants that are expensive to keep (specific pH, temperature, humidity etc)
>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)
>Plants with a limited lifespan (1 year? other?)
>Other limits (what?)

>>38216602
One Hundred Hungry Maws does that

>anywhere on your body

>>38216679
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs or things with medical use
>If he doesn't want that, go with the money

>>38216665
We spend actions getting weapons out anyways. How is this a problem?

>>38216679
>Ok, I’ll do it
>Plants that don’t reproduce
>Plants with a limited lifespan (5 years)

>>38216679
>Offer plants that do something else (Trees that produce nuts which explode into shadow tentacles that grapple everyone without Shadows skill when thrown; Fruit that grants a bonus to Shadowcraft rolls for a few hours after consumption)

>>38216679
>Ok, I’ll do it, but I would ask for Grasping Abyss in addition to shadowcraft if I am to make these plants.
>No limits

>>38216679
>No, no plants

How rich are we anyway?

>>38216716
That is currently beyond your skills

>>38216700
We don't need to spend an action getting out tentacles, and otherwise our pistols are superior.

>>38216679
>Offer plants that do something else
>Tree that produces fruit with (sweet blood) enhanced blood
>>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)
>Otherwise money

>>38216679
>If I can make the plant addictive without being directly harmful, would you accept that?

>Additionally, I can make them require a specific chemical to grow, which would make you the sole supplier even if someone else did get seeds.

>>38216727
Dammit.

>>38216721
We've got about a million and Lirael needs to learn Shadows within the next few days no matter what to complete the deal, so we could definitely pay the cost.

>>38216679
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs
If they don't accept then
>Ok, I’ll do it
>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)
>Plants with a limited lifespan (1 year)

>>38216679
>>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs
>Plants with a limited lifespan 1year

>>38216679
>Ok, I’ll do it
>Plants with a limited lifespan (5 years)
>>38216716
Dude we can make those for us later. Why the fuck would we buff our enemies?

>>38216679
>>38216696
changing to
>>38216730
That sounds better

>>38216679
>No, no plants
Don't need to be giving these guys even more advantages. We can pay the cost in cash and use our plants to make more money.

>>38216679
>Offer plants that do something else
>Tree that produces fruit with (sweet blood) enhanced blood
>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)
>Otherwise money

Supporting this, and better than being responsible for making their drug empire grow.
And if they like it, they come back to us for more.

>>38216721
>How rich are we anyway?
Not as rich as we will be when start making home grown health kits

>>38216679
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs or things with medicinal uses
>Offer plants that do something else
>Tree that produces fruit with (sweet blood) enhanced blood
>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)
>Otherwise money

>>38216749
Because I'd rather buff our not-enemies than give them access to infinite incredibly harmful drugs.

>>38216730
Why wouldn't he just.. you know keep feeding on people? He's not squeamish about it like we are.

He's trying to make money.

>>38216788
Because the plant is (sweet blood) enhanced, which means its more nutrituos and tasty than regular blood.

>>38216679
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs
>Plants that don’t reproduce (and cuttings die)

>>38216802
I'm not sure if it's "That" tasty and it doesn't have the feeding connection so the euphoric sensations are lost.

>>38216679
Alright, I'm going to suggest a plant.

>Has hallucinogenic properties of varying kinds (Leaves have THC comperably to weed, stem is pretty much like shine, the buds can produce something else lower grade, roots might be a cheaper variation of an ingredient of Shine/other shit)
>Requires very specific chemicals feeding it at different stages (hydrochloric acid when a seed, switch to regular water but needs argon gas once sprouted)
>requires buds (which produce harder drugs) not be harvested in order to reproduce, artificial insemination fails automatically, cuttings die
>One crop per 8 months, slightly expensive process keeping plant alive once it has been harvested, even if they only took the buds

Seems that blood plants that don't reproduce or money if that doesn't work is the most popular vote.

Writing

>>38216679
>Offer ones that make less harmful drugs with tree that produces fruit with (sweet blood) enhanced blood
OR
>Plants that don’t reproduce
>Plants with a limited lifespan (5 years)

>>38216839
I'd be willing to lt him baerter us down on the blood tree to having it reproduce but not live for long.

>>38216835
That actually sounds pretty cool.

>>38216727
Can we make it so that the plant will produce harder stuff if it's harvested earlier, but that will kill it and any cuttings taken from it, or you can let it grow up and get to maturity but it'll just produce less hard stuff?

>>38216839
I'd be okay with reproduction if it's just blood plants.

>>38216839
ADDENDUM TO BLOOD PLANT!

Is still a viable source of blood even when dried for storage.

>>38216839
Fill me in anons, why can't he have blood plants that can reproduce?

>>38216815
It would let a vampire rapidly recover their vitae reserves without risking their feeder's health, since each fruit would probably be ~8 vitae and there would be a lot of them.

>>38216835
....I like that. Can we still vote for this?

>>38216864
>Is still a viable source of blood even when dried for storage.

it can be, though it would need to be mixed with water or other liquid before being consumed.

>>38216864
>a viable source of blood even when dried for storage
I hope you realise how nonsensical that is
>source of blood when DRIED
Having the fruits stay non-dry for a longer time suffices.

>>38216876
Just to see if thats already enough for him, and if avoidable I don't want him to make too much money out of it.

>>38216888
Vampire military ration plant would DEFINITELY be worth it. They'd make millions.

>>38216893
See >>38216888

>we could have just offered him money and then made the super cash-crops ourself and sold them to recoup all the losses incurred by paying for shadowvamp's teaching services.

“No I can’t do that” you say, thinking that it’s best not to tell him that you can, and maybe paint another target on your back “I can make plants with fruits full of blood, that tastes better than normal and is more potent than normal blood.” You think that plants that don’t reproduce would be sufficient, that way you can control how many he gets.

“No deal” says the voice “I have enough feeders.”

“But these can-” you start to explain the benefits.

“No” says the voice “if you can’t make me something I can make money from, then you’ll be paying the full fee.”

Your response
>Fine money it is (try to bargain the price down? Y/N)
>Other offer (what?)

>>38216927
>Fine money it is N

>>38216927
>Fine money it isN
We can make money from other sources easily.

>>38216927
>Fine money it is (try to bargain the price down? Y)

>>38216927
>Fine money it is

>>38216927
>Fine money it is N
No sense for business that guy.

>>38216927
It's cheaper than feeders. Buying it from you will make you wealthy and make Feeders more status symbols than things of necessity.

>>38216927
>Fine money it is N

We can grow our bullshit awesome plants and sell the stuff they make for our own profit later.

can we make a credit tree?
Can we just make money?

>>38216924
You realize those drugs are extremely addictive and ultimately fatal, right?

I wouldn't vote for them when they were off-planet and not a real part of the story, why would I vote for them under those circumstances?

I regret even making the write-in to bring up plants, honestly.

>>38216927
>Fine money it is (N)

>>38216991
>You realize those drugs are extremely addictive and ultimately fatal, right?
There are other sorts of cashcrops we could make that aren't drugs.

I still say we should make blood-fruit tree. If we actually include it in our restaurant's menu, we can attract more Vamp customers.

>>38217008
The way it was phrased made it sound like you were talking about the drug plants.

>>38216893
>I don't want him to make too much money out of it.
I was set to ask WTF was up keeping vampires from free food but then it hit me that their population would just grow to account for the new food source.
>>38216927
>Other offer Ascension and info on Baalzamons being behind this

>>38216987
Considering we have a restaurant and the ability to grow every vegetable and fruit imaginable by ourselves for free.
Yes, we can just make money.

>>38216991
>You realize those drugs are extremely addictive and ultimately fatal, right?
Yes, and I also never said to make those drugs he wanted.

We could make plants that grow other stuff and then sell the other stuff. Either some not harmful drugs or some superblood or just whatever.

Since we'll actually have the plants ourself and we'll only be selling the produce, we don't have to worry about enemy factions gaining an advantage from being able to infinitely produce the things.

>>38216927
>Fine money it is
(try to bargain the price down?)
>N

wait, can't we make really powerful drugs with not of the downsides?

>>38216927
Woah woah woah, you mean this asshole can't make money selling delicious bloodfruit to vampires?

>>38217022
We should do that, cutting down on our restaurants expenses would definitly help us out.

>>38217047
sorry I mean Couldn't, not can't

>>38217020
>>Other offer Ascension and info on Baalzamons being behind this
Let's not...

>>38217020
I'd rather offer Void, if anything, since it wouldn't stack with Shadows, instead replacing it.

Fuck giving dickass drug pusher vampires angel powers or making Lirael teach them it.

The power of money still reigns supreme.

>>38217047
They want most of the downsides.

>>38217047
That wouldn't serve his purpose, and you can't really make a drug with non of the downside,s because the downsides are pretty much always effects causes by what causes the upside.

>>38217047
>>38217066
We could, but making them non-addictive would cut into the profits somewhat.

So it being super addictive is only a downside if you aren't an asshole. These guys would want the things to be addictive.

>>38217080
I'm fine with void instead.

>>38217080
>>38217099
>giving them void
>when we could just give them 400k
What the hell are you guys doing?

ok, writing

>children need feeders
>it's basically mouth sex that all children are required to undergo
>might actually be the full reason so many vampires are fucked in the head
>This asshole thinks there's no market for blood fruit for vamps who want a cheap alternative to committing to a feeder

Can we at least propose this scenario to him?

>>38217128
You honestly think he gives a shit?

Also its not "mouth sex", anymore than a massage is "hand sex".

>>38217056
Probably not. It's a really stupid idea.

"Hey Hey I can give you really good blood!" They've all got feeders and thralls to eat.

>>38217128
He's an ass who wants to peddle highly addictive shit to people for maximum profit and you want to lecture him about how most vamps are fucked up because they have to feed as kids? And you want to do it while Lirael's right next to us?

Not to mention that Shee has said before IC that she doesn't equate feeding to sex, multiple times?

We should still make a blood tree to feed Lirael with when Shee's too weak or can't for some reason. And to keep this guy healthy enough to teach.

>>38217108
I said *if anything*, I don't want to give them anything more than money, it just goes like Money > Void > Ascension in terms of what I'm willing to give up.

>>38217147
But not everyone does as we know for a fact, a cheap alternative to feeders, especially a transportable one, has pretty significant value.

>>38217128
Even if your assertion were correct, and its not, he wouldn't care about that sort of thing.

>>38217163
Eating from the blood tree will most likely be like feeding from blood bags, so its not really a actual alternative, although we definitly will grow one for the shadow vamp.

>>38217170
>Cheap
You starting to see a problem? This guy isn't some down on his luck bum who wants to make the world a better place for vampires everywhere!

>>38217146
>>38217160
>>38217170
Well shit, I still think we should make it. In a vamp world, a cheap, reliable source of potent blood can always be a moneymaker.

>>38217201
Are you being reatrded on purpose or don't you understand the basics of economics?
Just because he produces it cheap, doesn't men he needs to sell it cheap.
You usually produce alot cheaper than you sell, and taking advantage of the need of poor vamps is exactly the sort of thing he'd be into.

>>38217211
Yes, I think that -we- should make this stuff too. And sell it ourself.

Shadow man, however, doesn't give a fuck about it and trying to convince him to give a fuck is an exercise in frustration and futility.

>>38217201
If it's cheaper than feeders, someone will buy it.

Could we make addictive Sweetblood Trees?
Should we send these to high ranking vamps or vow never to make any?

>>38217231
>>38217230
Let it go

>>38217211

We should make and sell it on the black market.

A cheap, safe, reliable blood source, that also happens to have no effort or emotional attachment is a GOOD idea.

Sweet Blood Apples.

>>38217216
Your trying to sell blood that either the elites don't need because they've already got a massive supply of willing feeders and thralls.

Or that the poor won't buy because they can jump someone on the street.

Drugs are more profitable.