>this is not a bad premise
Keep believing in yourself, OP, even if no-one else does.

Wheres the dulahan

>>42088577
Not an animal person.

>>42088541
>making animals smarter, more adaptable, and easier to relate to is a good idea
This is not how people think, anon. This is not what selective breeding is like. This is the opposite. This is full retard.

>>42088635
Which was acknowledged by that thread. It's reason beastmen still exist and the Ancient Wizard empire doesn't. Some people raised it as an issue, but mostly it was handwaved with "wizards do retarded things that blow up in their faces", which you have to admit is kind of a running theme with fantasy settings.

>>42088635
(I would just like to add that I acknowledge that wizards are known for occasionally going full retard.)

>>42088658
Right, and it turned into magical realm, doesn't that tell you anything?

>>42088541
I get minotaurs, I sort of get centaurs (perhaps created as ultimate cavalry? Horses were originally domesticated for war, so a horseman who is literally that would be a superior skirmisher...), I get harpies, but why the fuck would anyone create snakegirls or satyrs? Domesticated snakes serve basically no purpose whatsoever, and while goats definitely do satyrs don't exactly go around providing wool and milk. They exist to rape. Even retarded wizards won't do that.

>>42088686
What about retarded submissive female wizards?

>>42088686
Adding to that, I suppose you could say that satyrs are just "male goatgirls" whose purpose (like domesticated male goats) is just to procreate but if you're already a wizard, why bother? They can clearly create races out of thin air, why not make wool/milk providing goat girls reproduce via mitosis?

>>42088686
>centaurs (perhaps created as ultimate cavalry? Horses were originally domesticated for war, so a horseman who is literally that would be a superior skirmisher...)
Centaurs would be awful cavalry. All the squishiest bits up front and comparatively no ability to twist and turn around compared to a man in a saddle.

>>42088707
Because that's disgusting. Have you read Franken Fran?

>>42088686
>They exist to rape. Even retarded wizards won't do that.
>They exist to rape.
WIZZARDS!

depending on how you spin it, snakes and cats could be vermin-hunters. just like they are now.

>>42088731
perhaps WIZZARDS gave them exceptionally flexible and rotatable spines.

>>42088707
because WIZZARDS and RAPE

>>42088541
Would /tg/ let this idea rest? It was created to justify a magical realm, there's no amount of good intentions that will make it anything else.

So why does the drider have a human ass? There's no legs below them for the glutes to pull back.

>>42088764
>Ancient Archmaster Djab-Ukh: "My esteemed colleagues of the high academium, we gather today in the Yellow Tower to discuss a matter of utmost importance: our vast and glorious empire is in dire need... of rape."

>>42088793
"TO DEMORALIZE THE ENEMIES OF OUR MOST GLORIOUS EMPIRE!"

"Shut up spymaster cedric."

>>42088791
Do they even HAVE domesticated spiders? Why would you create a spider person?

>>42088793
>>42088818
>Ancient Archmaster Bal-Suum: "You all know what this means. Time to create another race of sentient, physically powerful monster people whom we will then subjugate ruthlessly, thus breeding in them an intense hatred against us and everything we represent."
>The entire gathering of wizards: "BRILLIANT!"

>>42088791
One of the manga pages mentioned those polyps on a drider are used like legs during sex instead of eating.

>>42088820
perhaps to graft a talented weaver to a spider to make a huge profit in the textile industry.

like the cotton-gin and the auto-loom

but with SILK.

we be outsellin' china now boys

other than that I can think of no justification, so they may just get left out.

>>42088835
>it was a long and happy life led by the man Archmagister Bal-suum, on his deathbed his final words were "I am the last of my line, and I have no family, I've sown seeds of the empires falling; I REGRET NOTHING; it's been real ya'll peace out" and with those words he passed from the mortal coil.

>>42088541
Is this the same one were minotaur culture was based on Judaism for some reason?

>>42088541
So you want a backstory for beast races.
Sit down, think what races you have around, make up a back story for them. Done.

So, beast people to replace domestic animals:

Incredibly stupid idea. Workers cost way more than livestock. If they don't have rights like normal people and can only work on the jobs the animals would get, why the fuck would they need intelligence?

Could some crazy wizards create some anyway? Yes. But if they do so to replace domesticated animals, you would only get domesticated animals as beast people. No snakes, spiders or cats, maybe some individual outliers as test subjects.

You want other beastmen? Get a backstory that allows for them. Have a magical disease that had people take on traits of random animals. A thousand years later, 5-10 races managed to survive and formed stable communities.

But what has to be said on this topic: Keep the sexualisation low.

You mentions minotaurs: it's quite a bit to swallow that sexual dimorphism creates two completely different skull structures, with all the muscles and sensory organs that come with it.

If one sex looks monstrous, and the other human, that's basicly screaming "fap to our beautiful weird women!".

>>42088541
>monster musume fixfic thread
Stop this shit already, /tg/.

Just stahp.

>>42088541
Actually ran a game like that once (with a difference that it was god of monsters, not wizards).

The campaign was surprisingly non-lewd - players grew too invested into first establishing centaur reich and then, after a very stupid TPK, removing centaur reich. I guess settings with races that differ so much is a fertile ground for racial tensions.

>>42088658
>LOL THOSE DING DARNED SILLY OLD WIZARDS XDDD
I wish this meme would just die already.

>>42089313
it isn't silly, its usually senile that causes this, but people think that it's just how wizzards are because they only ever deal with the end products...

>>42088686
Naga would be the ultimate answer to guerilla warfare, particularly in swamplands, jungles, or any other terrain with lots of trees and brush. They'd make pretty decent scouts, too, seeing as they don't need to cut a path through the forest and can hide their trail.

Satyrs would be kinda the same deal just for treacherous rocky/mountainous terrain, as goats can get damned near wherever they goddamn please.

>>42089342
>LE NO SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG XDDDDDD
Like I said, this meme needs to die already. The sooner the better.

>>42089358
I think you are ignoring the effort it takes to make half-human bodies work. Just because the animal can do something better than a human doesn't mean a half-human version of it is a human with a flat bonus to those skills.

I don't think just any animal people can be made into a specialist, and building an entire society of them is frankly ridiculous.

>>42089414
so you're saying that someone deep into senility, dementia, and Alzheimers would be totally capable of making exclusively rational and reasonable decisions to the end of his days?

this is the excuse I've used to justify so very much in a lot of my fantasy settings.

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>>42089414
Wizards are just scientists in worlds powered by magic instead of scientists.

And fiction literally never ever gets tired of blaming scientists.

Its not a meme bro. Its a trope.

>>42089449
>I think you are ignoring the effort it takes to make half-human bodies work
LOLMAGIC seems to be a valid answer for everything else in this shitty thread.
>I don't think just any animal people can be made into a specialist
I was just trying to think of something since you put forth the challenge
>and building an entire society of them is frankly ridiculous.
Wasn't the original idea that it's some sort of faggy monstergirl coalition?

>>42088541
I am reading a story where the beast-races were created by an ancient civilization of wizards to fight an even more ancient kind of mindless, unusually strong and hard to kill monsters that basically lived EVERYWHERE and came in lots of different forms. Think stupidly strong magical dinosaurs.
So, the beast races were meant to battle them in the air, in the water, on land, and under the ground for several generations if needed, each kind (or several kinds) of races for each environment. And they did, and eventually they defeated the ancient monsters.
And then they were kind of just left there. Killing them off because they no longer had a purpose would have been an extremely asshole thing to do, so while the wizard civilization was still around, the races lived in its shadow and more or less enjoyed themselves.
Then the civilization disappeared in a cataclysm, stopping the said cataclysm from devouring the world in the process. The last wizards ordered the survived members of the beast-races to guard the remains of the civilization's capital, and later died one by one.
With time all but one race completely forgot the order and their origins, and started to simply live the way they saw most fit, developing their own cultures, religions, customs, etc.

>>42089479
I'm saying it's a tired, inane, cliche, boring, stupid, shallow plot device that makes you look like a shiteating redditurd whenever you use it.

Especially since if magic was widespread enough for faggot old men to be breaking everything all the time, there'd be a system in place to stop that shit from happening.
>>42089500
Tropes are literary memes. Quite literally. Especially the comedic ones.

>>42088541
You know, we keep complaining about how the whole idea is inherently stupid and fetishistic and all that but this is basically the plot of Werewolf: The Apocalypse, replacing crazy wizards with Gaia. Races of animal people created to perform symbolic roles (wolfmen to war, bearmen to heal, boarmen to clean, bullmen to fertilize, crowmen to send messages, catmen to spy, ratmen to spread disease, etc...)

>>42089504
>LOLMAGIC seems to be a valid answer
That's never a valid answer and if a creator thinks so, I'll see my way out.

>you put forth the challenge
I didn't, but should have said I'm not the one you replied to originally. I was only reading the text, not the reply chains.

>Wasn't the original idea that it's some sort of faggy monstergirl coalition?
That's the thing that was supposed to be fixed. If you want to fix it, why only go half the way?

>>42089580
Oh, and then she made foxmen to sort of be jack-of-all-trades troubleshooters. The Kitsune splatbook literally says she had no particular role in mind while creating these fucktards. Somehow they ended up ruling the Beast Courts. Back in the day White Wolf really couldn't into anything Asian.

>>42089504
>Wasn't the original idea that it's some sort of faggy monstergirl coalition?

You mean in the minotaur culture thread? No. Each type of beast race had their own civilization and they mostly fought with each other (primarily because the minotaurs were all about settling down and having an agricultural society whereas the centaurs and satyrs were all about being roving marauders and living off raiding minotaur lands).

>>42089615
>if a creator thinks so, I'll see my way out.
Read the thread and then leave, because literally everyone defending the cowgirl fuckspecies is going LOL SENILE OLD WIZARDS CONTROLLING THE WORLD XDDDDD

Jesus Christ, I leave 4chan for two months and this is what I see when I come back? Retard posting magical realm retardery and then ten other dudes frothing at the mouth to compete which of them hates it most? Where the fuck did /tg/ go wrong?

>>42088541
It bugs me more than it should that the spidergirl has two asses.

>>42089706
And it doesn't bother you that the centaur probably has two of every one of her internal organs? Like, think about how fucked up her digestive system should look. The food goes all throughout the process, THEN it enters the horse-part's system. The horse part is either mostly empty, mostly fat, or it digests literal shit all day.

Could've worked if he hadn't insisted on using that image for OP. Idea is solid, but done like that there's no way it can go other than magical realm and rage. Would it've really been so hard to use a picture of anything else at all?

>>42089706
>>42089789
There's a page where the centaur girl imagines herself pregnant. With a normal human big belly.

>>42089789
Or the human part doesn't have a digestive system, which would make much more sense.

>>42089851
Then what is it filled with? It clearly has plenty of the requisite internal organs (LIKE MAMMARY GLANDS)

>>42089866
Very big lungs probably.
Or lungs and a part of the stomach, with bowels and other organs in the horse part.

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>>42089155
>You mentions minotaurs: it's quite a bit to swallow that sexual dimorphism creates two completely different skull structures, with all the muscles and sensory organs that come with it.
Who says the skull structures are different?

>>42090287
>horns
>tranny minotaur

>>42089238
>don't ruing my fantasy with your stupid logic!

>>42090287

>(the type where the males look like the real thing and the females are big titted women with horns)

The females of this species are described as "human + X". Pardon my misinterpretation. My point still stands, this particular race just doesn't screw up.

>>42090501
>LOLOLOLOLOLOL WIZZERD DID IT XDDDDDD
>logic
I'm not saying Monster Musume is good, I'm saying that /tg/'s "fixes" are always that much worse.

Or do you not remember the Knights Inductor?

>>42090485
Several species of cattle have horns on the females, too.

its WHIZZARD

wizards are scientist that use magic as a tool.
in my settings they need to, like a scientist, know what they doing to do it.
you can't turn cooper into gold without know the lements, or do healing without knowing how cells work

in my settings anyway, i like logic, but the DM may as well go LOLMAGIC so long the players are ok with it
i wouldn't, prob only That guy would

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>>42090503
>The females of this species are described as "human + X". Pardon my misinterpretation. My point still stands, this particular race just doesn't screw up.
True, and honestly I wouldn't give the males bovine snouts in the first place...

...Or even have males for that matter...

>>42088541
>ntr
So what about the mermaid makes her NTR-fish?

>>42090712
>...Or even have males for that matter...

Which even more screams "Fap to me!", bonus points if they need humans for sexual reproduction.

If that's what you want, go for it. But don't pretend to make something different.

And don't bring that pseudo-porn into discussions where people try to make serious settings with beast races, because that's what leads shot posting and insulting.

>>42091017
>Implying ND can't stop shitposting

>>42091017
out of the subject but i would like to see an warcraft style harpy civ with magictech late game

>>42090925
Within the context of Monster Musume, the mermaid is herself an NTR fetishist. The joke is that she's a gigantic The Little Mermaid fan (the original story, not the Disney version), so the thing that turns her on most about relationships is tragedy and seeing her beloved ending up with somebody else. She's fucked up.

>>42091138
anon, all woman are fucked

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>>42091017
Hey it's already been pointed out why combining human traits with most domesticated animals is a bad idea...
Since you wouldn't want to use cowgirls for MEAT, as the human frame is generally poor when it comes to thick slabs of musculature, the only thing left they can produce is Milk.
Since you can't milk a steer and you're creating this servant race whole cloth to begin with, why NOT make them female only?

>>42091178
Because the bullmen are used for manual labor. Makes more sense to me than milking a humanoid.

>>42090925
>>42091138
Don't forget how centaurs are a literally cuck species in MM.

>>42090568
Yeah but they're tiny stubby ones on any cattle that looks like that face.

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>>42089414

You've never played a wizard, or what?

>>42088541
>when I came upon a thread dedicated to turning fanservic-y anime comedy fantasy minotaurs
link to the thread?

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>>42091258
EBIN XDDDD

>>42091178
>>42091209

i'm assuming the whizzards created the bulls for work and war, and the girls to fufill their breastfeeding fetish.
i would do the same, albeit i would make the females much, much more human.

>>42091258
Is there some line in the D&D books I've consistently missed that says wizards are required to be the worst kind of chaotic neutral or something?

>>42088731
>Centaurs would be awful cavalry.
No, they'd be mediocre heavy cavalry. They'd be amazing light cavalry and skirmishers. Their mobility coupled with ranged weapons would be great.

It you went with a combined arm approach, they'd also form the basis for a good dragoon unit. The centaurs could provide troop movement for the infantry and then serve as fire support, ala the ranged weapons mentioned above.

>>42091258
this, not right and wrong tho, see begin OP isn't fun if you not having fun
if I was a wizard, i would create entire races to be my sex slaves (acutally created one in paper), materialize more than I need, and fuck shit up for fun

come one guys, if you had that much power, would still act like an avarage joe?

>>42091291
If I recall the original thread (wasn't it like two years ago? I remember reading it while I was in the army), female minotaurs were created to be tenders of children. So yeah, wet-nurses, but I'm assuming that also matchmakers, fertility doctors, midwives, tutors, nannies, etc. (that's why they look more humanoid. They need to work with women and children). And yeah, it sounds like retarded magical realm but like someone said before, that's literally what the Apis were in Werewolf: The Apocalypse. There used to be a Changing Breed of matchmaking, midwifing, children nursing minotaurs. Then they all got eaten by werewolves because GRIMDARK.

>>42089155
>If one sex looks monstrous, and the other human, that's basicly screaming "fap to our beautiful weird women!".
Even if they're just fap bait I don't see the point in making the female minotaurs not have cow heads

You want a big titted minotaur girl? She's gonna look like a minotaur then, not an anime girl with horns

>>42091391
Yep, that's where the thread originally started. "How do we justify the females looking so human?" -> "They were created to fulfill different roles, and the female's required human interaction while the males just had to be strong."

Never underestimate the lengths to which fa/tg/uys will go to justify their magical realm.

>>42091343

What? That's NG, bro. This is why I said you must not play wizards. Its like Bird Person said about Rick in the latest R&M. You can't judge that person by your standards. You can't destroy worlds. In the time it takes BIll Gates to chase down a pickpocket, he could have fed seven thousand children for their whole lives if he'd just ignored it and gone to work. You see? There are scales of operation. What looks evil to you isn't always evil when you're looking down from the top.

>>42091354
I don't know, if I had the arcane might of a powerful wizard I'd feel obligated to try to use it to help others as well as myself. I'd be a bit worried about doing big things with magic for selfish reasons and without careful consideration, for fear that either the cost or the effect of the spell might harm other people.

>>42091464
When a fighter breaks down a door, that's willful destruction of property. But when someone who can cast "fabricate" breaks down a door, its just a funny story.

>>42091391
Just so you know, saying "white wolf did this" INCREASES its likelihood of being a fetish fueled clusterfuck, not the other way around.

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>>42091209
>Because the bullmen are used for manual labor
If the females are going to be stronger than you anyways, why bother with a second superfluous physiology?

>Makes more sense to me than milking a humanoid
Actually, this is one of the reasons crossing human and cow that makes the most sense.
Humans have some of the most complex and nutritious milk of the animal kingdom AND our mammary glands aren't linked to any point in a breeding cycle, allowing a female to induce lactation basically whenever.
Cows, on the other hand, need to be bred and birth a calf before they'll start making milk, and need to regularly give birth every couple of years after that.

>>42091538
Magic privilege, man. It's total bullshit.

When a scientist creates a sentient species of sexy, scantily clad catgirls, they're 'gone too far'... But, when a wizard does it, it's just quirky!

>>42091510
You're not thinking big enough. If the effect of your spells harms people, you just fix it with more spells.

>>42091551
Isn't that more Onyx Path's shtick? White Wolf had their share of problems when it came to writing (like the aforementioned inability when it comes to anything Asian), but I don't recall much magical realming outside of a select few products (Blood-Dimmed Tides was legitimately awful)

>>42091178
>Since you wouldn't want to use cowgirls for MEAT,
Well, you could...

>as the human frame is generally poor when it comes to thick slabs of musculature, the only thing left they can produce is Milk.
And most people don't realize that cows are literally huge chunks of muscles with a layer of fat over it, adding to that if you use the males for manual labor you're likely to end with a race of strongfat male and female cowpeople

>Since you can't milk a steer and you're creating this servant race whole cloth to begin with, why NOT make them female only?
As others have said, manual labor

>>42091291
>i would make the females much, much more human.
I wouldn't, out of laziness and maybe a bit of fetish reasons

>>42091576
Listen buddy, you know as well as I that genetic manipulation is not going to get you a pure human brain in that thing, and that is opening some moral doors I DO NOT WANT to look behind, so just leave it to the professionals, alright? We have fuckin magic. We can give it three heads that all have equal control over the body, if we want. A whole live snake as a tail. It's MAGIC. It can be done /properly/.

>>42091538
>>42091606

that's whizzard logic right here
you must be responsable and diciplined to achieve great powers, once they achieved you can just fuck shit up, its easy to fix it if anything
that's why everyone wants to be a wizard

>>42091568
>Humans have some of the most complex and nutritious milk of the animal kingdom AND our mammary glands aren't linked to any point in a breeding cycle, allowing a female to induce lactation basically whenever.
>Cows, on the other hand, need to be bred and birth a calf before they'll start making milk, and need to regularly give birth every couple of years after that.
I suggest you look up Dairy Cows Life by ShindoL. For, you know, research purposes.

>>42091435
Then there was the rest of the threads. Shit got interesting.

>>42091646
>>Since you wouldn't want to use cowgirls for MEAT,
>Well, you could...

Actually, if we strongly imply that those Ancient Wizards used half their beastmen stock for literal eating, we'd be going a long way towards making this whole story more of a proper fantasy background (well, a little grimdark, but not overly much) and less of a magical realm.

>>42091695
I remember something about the Hebrew language and how to combine Kosher law with cow puns.

>>42091699
Except for the cannibalism fetishists, of course.

>>42091699
That was the implication.

The precursors, from what little knowledge of the remained, were cruel. Meat and sacrifices to their old gods of blood and bone.

>>42091699
Depends on your magical realm

Though seriously, I'd be fine with that as long as it's a "not really done now" situation

...would this mean pig beastmen would be p'orcs?

>>42091765
>>42091773
The idea was for the whole wizard empire thing to have been a part of the background anyway. All those beast races have independent civilizations by now.

Also, regarding OP, since when the fuck are werewolves "beastmen"? They're shapeshifters.

>>42091178
Because, like I mentioned before, workers cost more than livestock? Besides, there's reasons to doubt that humanoid bodies can produce as much milk a cows specifically bred for it.

And with female-only, how would they reproduce? Crossbreed with humans? That puts them somewhat equal to humans if the sec is consensual, making it harder to keep them on low pay.

What are you gonna do? Keep them as slaves and have them be raped regularly to stay near childbirth, which is required for milk production? That totally doesn't sound like fetish porn.

>>42091793
Used like dogs. Hunting, guarding, "companionship" (sure does explain why they can take a human form...)

>>42091510
This is true for maybe the first century, but what about the next five? Fantasy worlds are known to sort of be stuck in a stagnating progression loop, be that because of a Tarasque or Mage wars happening every x centuries. Ultimately whatever "Good" you do will get washed away.

A true good wizard would still try, a neutral wizard would slide toward self interest and isolation in his tower, and a not so good wizard would turn to doing whatever he wanted since the consequences didn't really matter. Then the Good wizard and the Not so Good wizard would get in a pissing contest over the lesser mortals until BAM Mage war and the cycle repeats.

It doesn't matter if 9/10 wizards are paragons of virtue, all you need is one bad egg to push an issue at just the wrong time to send it all crashing down. And thats before the Divine get involved in the kerfuffle.

>>42091835
You only need your home guarded/want to go out hunting on nights of the full moon?

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>>42091812
>Because, like I mentioned before, workers cost more than livestock?
Which is why you now have Livestock that can do work.

>Keep them as slaves and have them be raped regularly to stay near childbirth, which is required for milk production?
Again, the point of the human bits is so they DON'T have to be bred to continuously produce milk.

>>42091699
friendly reminder tha canibalism in mammals is bad
see spongiform encephalopathy, such as mad cow.
trust me, i work with that

>>42091354
You're making it sound like you just need to clap three times to get whatever. But in most settigs, being a wizard requires a lot of work, mobey and an education not many could ever have.

You at first would need enough money to keep you afloat for however long it would take to develop/find these spells.

With that, sex goes down on the priority list. 'cause you know, hookers.

>>42091872
Depends on how often they can change shape.

I want to see the look on the face of a werewolf who gets told his life's mission to lead around some blind old wizard, though. And given that he can have opposable thumbs, that probably involves being used as a general caretaker/assistant, too.

>>42091648
Is it sentient
Is it considered an adult
Can it consent through speech, writing, or pantomime.
then your good to go
>>42091793
>>42091835
This always annoys me too. Werewolves are either natural shifters or cursed.
You want a dog or wolf like beastmen go with Canids or Vulpids or Lupids (alternatively -ans) Werewolves are a very specific thing they aren't simply wolf people.

>>42092029
>your
My good to go what

>>42092050
Yo dick son! Yo diiiiiiiiick

>>42092104
YOOOOOOO!

>>42092029
>Is it sentient
>Is it considered an adult
>Can it consent through speech, writing, or pantomime.
Who cares lol, time for magic.

>>42091876
>Which is why you now have Livestock that can do work.
If they are intelligent, those cow girls are the workers. So either enslave the entire race or make them mindless.
Both sound borderline porn in this context.

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>>42092285
>So either enslave the entire race or make them mindless.
>Both sound borderline porn in this context.
Why would enslaving them be borderline porn?
They were a manufactured race to begin with...

>>42088686
>Horses were originally domesticated for war
pretty sure when we domesticated horses they were far too small to use in war

>>42092285
why would any of that be borderline porn?
i think you been watching too much hentai,anon

>>42092413
>>42092357

>we have made an entire species so that we can screw around with their breasts, don't care they like it or not

>we made these mindless beings in a way that allows milking of human breasts they can't object to

>>42092357
source?

I think what we need to do now is try and determine what races the ancient wizard civilization made, for what reasons, and how they adapted without them.

I actually really like the idea of wolf/dog people originally being an assistant/helper class in addition to being used for guards and hunting like dogs normally are, so they may actually be the ones with the closest cultural similarities to the wizards. And having the cow people being used for meat as well as manual labor and dairy would be a good way to set the tone for world building and how ammoral the wizards were

>>42092357
Also, ND, please don't spam fetish ideas, there are aspects that could and probably will be taken in magical realm directions if only because it's not unbelievable ammoral WIZARDs may make something like that, but the impression I'm getting is this setting will be several centuries after the fact so it probably won't be that big of a factor at this point.
Or failing that, can you at least keep them to yourself until a decent amount of world building is done?

>>42092410
If memory serves correctly, horses were originally bred for meat and milk, it was only much later that they were bred to be ridden

>>42092563
Hint, they were mocking how you immediately went to the fetish interpretation of keeping a race enslaved or making a new species as opposed to realizing how horrible all around the implications for both those options could be

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>>42092570
12 Beast

>>42092579
>asking ND to not be a /d/egenerate shitbag
May as well ask fire not to burn.

>>42092563
>we have made an entire species so that we can screw around with their breasts, don't care they like it or not
Well they didn't JUST create them for their breasts, otherwise why not just make tittygolems...

I'm not entirely sure how to feel about this thread.

But since I like it when /tg/ justifies magical realms into something cohesive, I vote we run in that direction as much as we can.

>>42092741
Oh you just as well as me that breastfeeding golem just aren't feasable, because everyone keeps bitching about the binding runes ruin the "purity of breasts". People are morons.

>>42093018
>breast golem

Keep your fetish out of this, autocorrect!

>>42092901
Any suggestions?
I like the idea about the drider weavers/clothmakes, but I'm not entirely sure how much silk a wizard civilization would need and if they would be a big enough population to justify them as a race

>>42093018
>because everyone keeps bitching about the binding runes ruin the "purity of breasts".
What? How is that remotely relevant to the thread so far?

>>42093092
>any suggestions
Not particularly. Most of my experience in doing so in a vacuum involves justifying why certain elves have enormous ass n' titties. They turned into a major political power and I forgot about their magical realmedness really quickly.

>>42092901
>since I like it when /tg/ justifies magical realms into something cohesive
How can you like something that's never happened?

>>42092285
Go another route.

These cow girls aren't exclusively milk workers, but consider that if they've been engineered for higher milk output, as well as having identical milk to that of a human, it means that they occupy a market that nobody else can occupy for any practical length of time. They corner the market on human milk without the need to raise livestock. It's just how they make their living.

So it's no longer 100% of the race, but it is such an appealing job opportunity (it'd probably pay well, and they don't have to get off on it, but sitting there getting milked is stupidly easy work regardless) that many can't say no.

When you need to stop making things about sex, start making it about money.

>>42093417
>These cow girls aren't exclusively milk workers, but consider that if they've been engineered for higher milk output, as well as having identical milk to that of a human, it means that they occupy a market that nobody else can occupy for any practical length of time. They corner the market on human milk without the need to raise livestock. It's just how they make their living.
>So it's no longer 100% of the race, but it is such an appealing job opportunity (it'd probably pay well, and they don't have to get off on it, but sitting there getting milked is stupidly easy work regardless) that many can't say no.
And hell, they can do something WHILE sitting there being milked, meaning their productivity would be through the roof.

>>42093817
Boom. Minotaur scholars, philosophers, and theoretical physicists. Next!

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>>42093847
Personally I figure they'd gravitate towards office work, but that's just me...

>>42093847
Well I think the only other two real suggestions we've had so far are dog people and driders, I suppose you could also try to do something involving harpies, lamias, or any other one mention up thread

>>42094039
How strong do you want fantastical spider silk to be? Driders might control the armor trade.

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>>42094070
Or at the very least the rope trade...

>>42094070
I was assuming normal silk so pretty fucking strong

>>42094039
Dog people I don't see having anything but extremely grimdark origins. Like, 'slave caste of common-speaking bloodhounds' level grimdark.

bump

>>42092656
Source?

>>42097207
Seriously nigger?

>>42097240
yes

>>42097629
That post was giving the source you dense fucker

>>42097659
thanks

>>42093897
I'm fine with that

>>42093817
They aren't just for milking, even originally. Their "role" was to care for the entire cycle of childbirth. Midwifery, gynecology, women's and children's medicine, tutoring, protecting children, probably even breeding sciences. Like, the male minotaurs work the fields, then the females make detailed records of the crops and return to the lab so they can selectively breed stronger ones. If you want to go full grimdark, it might also be the cowgirls' job to euthanize weak or sick children.

>>42101692
Also you are now imagining a bunch of cowgirls connected to techno magical milking machines but paying it no mind at all because they're too busy peering over genealogical records with their quills and monocled trying to come up with some way to save X dying bloodline. It's like the Bene Geserit were monstergirls.

>Catgirl
>Instincts of a cat
>Attitude of a human teenager
What can go wrong? (aside from occasional murderpresents)

Taokaka, basically.

Actually, forget basically. Literally Taokaka.

>>42102073
Wouldn't that be the cat people's original job, though? Pest control?

>>42102073
Nothing

>>42102186
Perhaps, but I'm pretty sure cats are known for doing dickish things.

>>42102209
Maybe the sentient ones are better about it?

>>42101750
If I remember correctly that's not far from how they ended up in the original threads. Also they were the priestly caste. Men were excluded from religious vocations.

The men made up all of the military and heavy jobs. They were were known for their awesome skill at stone craft. They were also infamous for the shittyness of their metal. They were stil mostlyl using bronze when everyone else was starting to use steel.

>>42089414
>People are able to get cosmic magical power
>This somehow does not fall into the hands of complete fucking morons who do stupid shit
Eh?

>>42101692
>>42101750
>>42102698
Actually, thinking about it now, wouldn't the fact that cow-women are the breeding/genetics experts mean that back in the day, they were probably among the beastkin closest to the wizards themselves (possibly with the only exception of the dogpeople/werewolves)? They may've been one of the first races engineered, and for a while, helped with the creation of the other ones. This may've been because they were sympathetic towards the wizards (they WERE, after all, designed to take care of their children) or because the alternative was being chopped for steak. Maybe they and the male minotaurs had a higher status in that society as a result. Minotaurs would make mean slave-drivers.

As for werewolves, I'm actually not wholly against the idea of making them a race of shapeshifters despite being engieneered beastmen. Remember, they were meant to be the wizards' closest companions. Makes sense they'll get the most outright magical ability. Furthermore, since a large part of their job may've been to serve as bodyguards and personal servants (and bedmates, DURR HURR MAGICAL REALM), being able to take on a human or near-human (whether weaboo "human with animal ears" or some kind of "pointy eared, hairy, slouching, sharp toothed dude") form would've helped them fulfill it by blending in and having the advantage of opposable thumbs. As someone mentioned before, a human form is not ideal for moving like an animal and the werewolves ALSO needed to serve as hunters. A lupine form would've been far better for that. Versatility through shapeshifting.

If you want to justify the existence of "cursed" lycanthropes in the setting, maybe say that during the final days of the wizard empire, when the beastmen rebelled, some wizards tried creating a magical plague that would turn the werewolves feral and limit their powers (by tying them to the moon). It was meant to be communicable to werewolves but instead it made the whole package deal contagious.

>>42102903
(no space, continuing) I also wanted to comment that the idea of lupine shapeshifters intended to be bodyguards, personal servants and closest friends sounds to me a lot like the Lunars from Exatled, and I don't dislike that.

>>42089513
I like that. It makes more sense than slave-races.

>>42091720
What? No seriously, what?

>>42103239
The original thread. The minotaur civilization was based on ancient Hebrew (they had a myth about escaping from salvery to the not!Egyptian wizard empire and founding a nation in their "promised land"...), their language was Hebrew, and they had religious dietary laws (like not eating the flesh of humans and cows, or not eating raw grass without a prayer to make clear they aren't "cattle"). Also, puns about how their ancient leader was Mooses and their adulthood ritual is called the Bar-Mootzvah.

>>42103324
Then it all went to hell when NiceDeamonette and his guys started making EVERYTHING about breastmilk.

>>42093417
Ex-fucking-zactly. You are thinking in the right direction. See >>42089513

You guys are looking in the wrong direction. Don't ask "Why would the wizards want these races," ask "Why would people want to be turned into these races." It will get you farther.

So, you could say that some of these races are literally fetish fuel, as in some of those ancients were furries, and when body-modding is cheap and easy enough...

Then of course, some of them started breeding true.

(Male) Minotaurs wanted to be HUEG, Horsepeople (Centaurs are too different from human, I see no reason for it) wanted to be large and fast, Lupids wanted to be furry and warm in cold areas, with good noses, and so on.

Or, you could go with Army/Navy/Air Force volunteers, based on an outside threat.

Spiderpeople were created when an army was stuck on a cliffside, or people needed to be rescued from a mountain. I think they should be more humanlike than driders, like the centaurs, as people might not want to be body-modded too far. Of course, if the body-modding was reversible, people would not mind taking out stranger body-types for 'test runs', and might not be in a hurry to change back.

Let's say an avid mountaineer finds that it's much easier and safer as a spiderman than as a mountain satyr, so he becomes a spidermimi. (Basically Spiderman.) Then later, he goes even further, and becomes a Drider, for more legs, better footing. It's reversible, after all. So, either he meets another cute drider and they're not careful, or they decide to keep the forms and keep mountaineering, or they run out of money for the transformation back, or the wizards die out... And you have a Drider race.

It's just practical, you see.

>>42103324
> Also, puns about how their ancient leader was Mooses and their adulthood ritual is called the Bar-Mootzvah.
I am in pain.

Surprised at how few lewd pictures are in this thread.

>>42103498
Jews are a pain.

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>>42103337

This. So very much this.

The Hooved Lands were awesome made from stupid that remained awesome until people like ND got hold of it and turned it back into stupid.

So what were the slimes made for?

>>42103439
So? Has anyone thought of practical reasons for people to want to change to these other species/shapes?

Or, considering that people wanted to be turned into these, what novel beastpeople can you come up with?

I'm thinking Chinchilla for luxurious fur,
Porcupine or Tortoise for close combat, Mantis Shrimp for insane punching. Assorted Birdforms would be immensely popular for flight, or Fishforms for spelunking.

What forms would you want to assume, assuming recreational beastforms were possible, cheap, socially-accepted and reversible?

>>42104247
Very harsh environments or very dangerous tasks, I think.

>>42104299
Skellyton for minimum upkeep and maximum NEETery

>>42104247
Hm. Assuming the body-modding was temporary, or at least easily reversible... I'd say sex. Everything is used for sex. Otherwise, if sex is off the table, I'd say for harsh climes or areas, or some sort of battle. Slimes are pretty much impervious to physical harm, right? Slimeform would be useful for burglary, or just skydiving without parachutes.

>>42104247
Adaptability warfare. Or just experiments gone wrong similar to chaos spawOH FUCK NOOOOOOOOGLARBABLAHBALHABALAHHBLBLBLBL

>>42104316
Very doable, if wizards were that advanced. I've been considering them more biomancers than anything else.

>>42104316
Skellyton on its own lacks senses, it wouldn't be neetery, more like 'bind soul to a prison'.

>Race of monsterfolk
>Men look like actual monsters, women look like human women with weird accessories

Human men probably look girly to them. A woman from one of these races who falls in love with a human man is going to have to deal with people accusing her of being a lesbian in denial.

>>42104406
That's the least worry. Imagine all those human guys being hit on and generally treated as kind of weird looking women by the beastfolk males.

Human males are basically futanari at that point.

Also, human females being not that different from monster females also would be a valid target of monsterfolk advances.

Basically, humans are universal fuck buddies and female substitutes for monster races.

>>42104406
This always irritates me. Either have the women be horrifyingly monstrous or have the men be Cute Monster Boys. Stop trying to have it both ways.

>>42104247
Infiltrators/specialist workers who can go just about anywhere.

>>42104406
Touched upon (comically) by Lotte No Omocha (a manga that also indulges in cute female cowgirls, among other things). One of the heroine's friends is a dwarven princess. Being a female dwarf she, OF COURSE, looks like a loli... but her standards of beauty are still dwarf. When she meets an elf who's supposed to be really handsome she just goes "IS THAT EVEN A MALE? HE DOESN'T HAVE A BEARD."

>>42104456
>Stop liking things I don't like, damn you! Don't you know my point of view is the objectively right one?!

>>42104406
>>42104453
:D
Okay, you guys have given me an interesting fantasy.

>>42104453
>Imagine all those human guys being hit on and generally treated as kind of weird looking women by the beastfolk males.
So I assume these beastfolk are barely sapient or intellectually on the level of legally retarded humans in your scenario.

>>42104247
Janitorial duties.

>>42104247

Why did the Elder Things make the Shoggoth?

>>42104805
Manual labor. But nobody ever says that "The Elder Things were retarded" is a stupid meme.

>>42105129
At least they never tried to fuck them.

>>42105129
That's because people value their sanity...

What types of magical hybrids are atypical? Horses, cows, pigs, spiders, wolves, cats and dogs are wayyyy overdone. What types of hybrids have you never heard of?

>>42105474

When you reproduce via spores, it's kinda hard to fuck things or even develop the need to fuck things.

>>42105529
Ringtailed lemurs.

>>42103439
>See >>42089513
Sorry, I don't follow. This and your posts correlate how exactly?

>purpose of spider-people
Apart from silk industry domination?
Guarding. They are excellent guatds: unbeliviably patient, able to stay motionless and soundless for any period of time, strong, fast, with in-built paralyzing venom and binding shackles. Plus acute sense of smell and, of course, web traps.
Like, how could anyone miss that option?

>>42105758
Hm. When I read that post, I was under the impression that the transformation was voluntary, in order to save the country. Young men and women going to the wizards, being transformed, then going out to the Army. Cases where people requested transformation for the good of the country.

>>42104805
Nanotech swarms are useful for a lot of things

>>42106149
Be real. The first and primary users of this kind of technology would be the perverts.

>>42106873
Yeah, I figured the perverted would do it first.
>So, you could say that some of these races are literally fetish fuel, as in some of those ancients were furries, and when body-modding is cheap and easy enough...
was me.

Maybe the tech was available for the perverts, then it went to the enthusiastically sporting, then to the military once the invasion happened?

Um. This is probably reallllly innocent of me, but I don't think Driders were first used as fetplay.

Wasn't the initial idea some kind of experiment by cooky old wizards? It explained owlbears.

>>42107716
I have no idea how the tech got started, I was just working on why it spread.

Eventually, the wizards died, or the magic ran out, or any children born to monster parents bred true (not likely, people would stop getting transformed and would transform back if that were true (unless the parents figured it was still reversible with magic)) or the price of transformation shot up. Parents had monsterkids, either all monsters or 1/4, 3/4 human, depending on dominant or recessive genes, or whether they are entirely a different species.

I don't know what would cause a separation into different areas, though. e.g. Minotaurs with Minotaurs, Driders with Driders...

There would be some natural "pockets", like people living in the mountains would be mostly Mountain Satyrs, Lynx, Spiderpeople or Driders,

People in the sea would be all assorted Fishies.

Aside from that, most people would generally be Human.

So we know that minotaurs are agrarian, generally peaceful people who build monumental mazelike cities on the plains.

What does the culture of other beastmen races look like?

>>42104530
Hey, it DOES get irritating when repeated over and over and over again.

Daily reminder that Rachnee can dodge fucking bullets

>>42108431
What's the point of a maze city? Everybody living there would get lost.

>>42109335
Minotaurs in D&D never get lost. If minotaurs are immune to mazes (acquired immunity?), it'd only hamper their enemies. And trade.

>>42109386
And visitors. And immigrants. And tourists.

>>42109489
Well, nobody wants those fuckers.

>>42109642
Yeah, in-laws are brutal.

>>42089313
>ancient, archetypal "absolute power corrupts absolutely" premise
>lmao memezz xD reee
Just die.

>>42089692
>implying /tg/ wasn't always like this

>>42109941
I remember a better /tg/.

degenerateposting is probably the best kind of posting tbh lads

just keep it out of donut steel territory and we'll be fine

>>42110895
I don't.
>furry /d/eviant-infested sea of piss
>the fourth reich
>stagnant scum pond
and the angry shitposting is a universal constant.

At least goredumps, sagebombing, and CP have basically gone the way of the dodo.

>>42111862
Degenerate posters are great when they aren't being degenerate.

I think that if all the monsters are descended from humans, striated, homogenic, entirely separated existences are not likely.

And the idea that an entire race has a 'purpose' is just begging to be mocked.

>>42113126
The whole concept LE SILLY FETISH WIZARDS CREAT LE EBIN FETISH FUELED MONSTERGIRLS is deserving of nothing but mockery

>>42113200
That's very nice, Timmy. Now go back to your room where you can have good right fun with the things you like and leave everyone else to do things they like.

>>42113852
>hurr badwrongfun!
Shitposter pls

>>42113889
>THE WHOLE IDEA YOU DISCUSSED THE ENTIRE THREAD IS STUPID AND BAD AND I HATE IT! I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY BUT I SIMMER WITH SUCH BOILING RAGE I MUST TELL THE WORLD HOW MUCH!

Yes, we're the shitposters, Timmy. You caught us alright.

>>42113126
>And the idea that an entire race has a 'purpose' is just begging to be mocked.
And why is that, anon?

>>42114684
Because obviously, magically created races in a magical fantasy world must work based on real world evolutionary principles. Otherwise it's LE MAYMAY DDD::

>>42115039
Don't forget the existence of actual gods who tend to both directly and indirectly shape creation.

>>42113927
>any valid criticism I face I'll just spam BADWRONGFUN at while making shitty capslock greentext strawmen
Okay champ

>>42115628
>"shitposter pls"
>valid criticism
How do you even manage to breathe

>>42115734
By the time you cart out HURR BADWRONGFUN, you are a shitposter