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You imagine that, were you still human, you would be clutching your stomach and groaning in that perpetual 'I ate far, far too much food' sort of pain.

As it is, you're a giant spider rather than someone soft and short and small, and eating an entire table of meat has actually placed you at the 'sated, but I could really use another bear' stage.

Which is to say that people are regarding your table with the sort of awe usually reserved for actual accomplishments, rather than shovelling entire animals into your mouth.

You yawn and stretch, bones and chitin creaking in sync as you pull your arms overhead.
Everything is going so good that for one brilliant moment, you forget that you put on a crown of fire and terrified a room of people.

Oh, there goes the good feelings.

You groan, awkwardly rubbing your eyes, trying to scrub the memory as much as the tired feeling.

This isn't going to work. This isn't going to work at all. You need distractions. Now.

>A nap is a distraction.
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
>Everyone knows the cure for depression is to throw yourself into a dungeon.
>Other (?)
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>>42090231

Announcements: twitter.com/REQMX

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Archive:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=Re-Monster
or
http://archive.moe/tg/search/tripcode/!!7fb3j+Ac+pZ%20/type/op/
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>>42090231
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
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>>42090231
>>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
Use this as a warmup of the dungeon
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>>42090231
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
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Nobody mentioned anything about the 1 year anniversary on the 5th, so happy birthday I guess.
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>>42090231
>>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?

We should ask the other adventurers about the dungeon while we're at it.
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>>42090231
>Aren't there dwarves to talk to?
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>>42090231
>>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
Lets see if we can somehow get the moth and the snake training too, make them spar someone new or weak.
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>>42090231
>Everyone knows the cure for depression is to throw yourself into a dungeon.
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>>42090231
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?

>>42090312
A year already? How time flies.
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>>42090231
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
>Other (?)
Hmm let's talk to the adventurers about the dungeon and then find the dwarf blacksmith 'fore he leaves.

Also I was not expecting a new thread so soon! And Happy Early Birthday spider quest!
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>>42090231
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?

>Other (?)
Back during the Hydra poison incident, it was mentioned the large guilds in the cities had Healers on staff. Ask Ren(?) for a Healer to look after our Woof while we beat- train with the other adventurers.

Once she's fully healed, we can murder the fuck out of a Dungeon!
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>>42090312
>checks archive
Oh shoot, it has been a year, hasn't it? Happy Birth-month, RE:Monster EX Quest!
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>>42090231
>>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
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>>42090231
>Everyone knows the cure for depression is to throw yourself into a dungeon.
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>>42090312
>>42090375
>>42090387
Haha, thanks!

I still have no idea what I'm doing!


Anyway, looks like training won!

Writing!
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>>42090231
>Everyone knows the cure for depression is to throw yourself into a dungeon.
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>>42090231
>>Everyone knows the cure for depression is to throw yourself into a dungeon.

training with the adventurers wouldn't even be a warm up
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>>42090481
I dunno, I got good vibes from that one who was looking for training last thread. And training against thinking humanoid opponents will be good practice for Lyra, as she has mostly been fighting monstrous creatures lately, instead of the monstrous people.

Plus, it's possibly a chance to utterly confuse a mage or two, if we get them as opponents.
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>>42090637
fair enough, I just don't see it helping us get ready for a dungeon run. afterall we'd be facing more monsters rather than humans.
that said messing with mages would be fun( cause some premature detonations, have them take themselves out)
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>>42090700
Honestly it would be best to wait for Shezska to finish healing before we tackle the non-water dungeon.
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>>42090700
Remember, Shez is not fully healed yet, so killing time (and trying not to kill adventurers) with some sparing will give her time to visit the Guild Healer they have on staff.

Once our whole party is at 100%, then we can teach this dungeon the difference between the local fare of adventurers and a Tyrant Arachne!
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>>42090739
We don't really have a way to tackle the water dungeon. Especially Nin and Jin won't be able to go there, and Sheszka and Ezzy will have pesky breathing problems.

>>42090768
>Remember, Shez is not fully healed yet,
We have so much to do before we can actually go to the dungeon we don't actually need to inflate our schedule.
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>>42090792
We can solo it.
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>>42090815
Cockyness like that isn't conducive to good health, Lyra is far less well protected without Blessing of Protection.
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>>42090792
Gotta talk to dwarves on tips to improve our craft, go see auntie and bee princess again and not have our conversation rudely interrupted this time, guild stuff probably...
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>>42090826
>Literally living metal armour
>Less protected
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>>42090826
How do you get cockyness from me saying that we can make a solo run on it? None of the others can enter it, so solo it or don't do it at all.
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What were the two dungeons here again? I think one was totally underwater fuck that but what was the other?
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>>42090826
...according to the sheet, we still have the Blessing of the Demi-God of Protection. Did I miss something?
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>>42090859
It feels better doing it as a group. Stop being selfish.
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>>42090887
it works best when defending others
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>>42090894
They literally can't enter the water temple. Stop being an idiot.
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>>42090887
Yes. It works when we're protecting something/someone other than ourselves.
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>>42090859
>How do you get cockyness from me saying that we can make a solo run on it?
He didn't say we can try, he said we can solo it, which is assuming this Lyra can solve a entire large dungeon thats completly out of her element on her own without Blessing of Protection.
And its not "solo or not at all", besides not at all being a perfectly good solution when the alternative is possible horrible demise, we can also look for a way to get underwater breathing for others.

>>42090887
You need something to protect for it to do something, thats the whole point.
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>>42090915
Or we could find a way for them to do so, all the human adventurers must do it somehow.
And its no like Lyra can breath underwater, she can hold her breath for hours, but not forever so there is no guarantee she even can get deep into the dungeon herself.
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>>42090931
I did, mate. English isn't your first language, is it? I thought I made it clear that that was me.

Out of our element? Not really. We don't need to breath. We can stick to walls and we can boil the water. Fish don't like being boiled.
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>>42090915
I'm saying to do the opposite: wait until we got everybody ready and go for the other one. It's the other guy who wants to solo one of those.
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>>42090886
I think one was called the Plains of Gold and Hate, or something like that.

The other one is partially flooded and occasionally floods completely. Boarder line suicide for air breathers.
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>>42090931
even with waterbreathing Jin wouldn't be helpful or safe in the water temple, as it negates her advantages of speed, flight, and fire
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>>42090977
I'm sure there will be air pockets.

>>42091002
Now you are just moving the goalposts.
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>>42090997
>I thought I made it clear that that was me.
Not him, but you you thoughtr wrong, because literally nothing in that post specifically indicates you as the guy he replied to first, like, at all.

>>42090997
>Out of our element? Not really
Yes, literally really. Lyras elements are fire and earth.

>We don't need to breath.
Yes we do. We can hold our breath for a long time, thats a difference.
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>>42091014
I'm really not. 'Solo the dungeon' sounds stupid and I'll stick by it.
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>>42091024
Riiight.

>How do you get cockyness from ME saying that we can make a solo run on it?

You see that me in there?
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>>42090997
>Out of our element? Not really. We don't need to breath.
Yes we do need to breath.

And we would be literally out of our elements.

>We can stick to walls and we can boil the water.
Thats assuming there are walls conveniently to stick to and we can actually boil those huge quantities of water, which is pretty unlikely.

>I thought I made it clear that that was me.
Considering nothing in that post pointed that out, no you didn't, I'm kinda confused what makes you think you did.
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>>42090997
Lyra has never once fought underwater before. She probably cannot effectively use her fire abilities in the water, being underwater might possibly impair her earth abilities, and the extra resistance from the water will likely mess with her forms when it comes to fighting with her spear, at least at first.

It would be out of Lyra's element.
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>>42091061
Here. Read:
>>42091044
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>>42091068
fair enough , changing vote >>42090481
>Wasn't there a crowd of people looking for training?
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>>42091044
You are as bad as a namefag right now.

>Pay attention to my identity because I'm so special

It literally makes no fucking difference kid.
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>>42091068
Honestly, if Lyra was to even attempt that dungeon, she'd first need to practice making a web diving bell. It'd be stupid otherwise.
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Now that you think about it-
There were people talking to you when you started eating, weren't there?

The group of adventurers, and the strange woman.
She'd said something about the queen, and...

You clench the side of the table and take a deep breath.
You corrected that. And then she asked you about training.

And that means-

You wave over the secretary as you start to stand up, and the woman approaches you with a raised eyebrow.
"I'm not really waitress, you know?"
"Of course not. Waitresses are not terrifying, yes?"
"I- What?"
"You smile like a dragon. Or something else with very sharp teeth."

She regards you again, curiously.
"That's a new one. My teeth are pretty normal, though."
You shrug.
"Like a predator, then? I am not sure, yes."
"Right, then. You didn't call me over to talk about my smile, did you?"
"No, no. Is there a healer in the guild?"

"What? Now?"
"Yes?"
"Sure."
"Okay. Can they treat Sheszka? Her arm was broken, yes. It is mostly healed, but I think it would be best if she was fully healthy before gets in any more fights."
"Eh. Alright, I'll look after it."
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>>42091103
0/10
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>>42091122
You thank her twice before you head into the yard, pawning the snake of on Nin, with explicit instructions to have them both start training.

The grounds are much more busy than they were when you last used them- Not just in the number of bodies, but the number of people participating. Adventurers all around you are throwing themselves into sparring whole-heartedly, and the entire area is full of shouts and the dull sounds of padded weapons against flesh. Your Mom would probably think she'd found heaven.

The woman from before is leading a few people in drills- with spears, no less. Though her style isn't anything like your own. There's mages and archers at the opposite end of the grounds, hurling fire and lightning and pointy metal sticks at dummies, swordsman and brawlers and all sorts of fantastical weaponry being flung around.

It's just a matter of where to start.

>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
>Pick a circle, and start taking challengers.
>Grab a seat and watch someone. This is sort of interesting. (Who?)
>Other (?)
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>>42091133
>>Grab a seat and watch someone. This is sort of interesting. (Who?)
The lady.
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>>42091133
>>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>Grab a seat and watch someone. This is sort of interesting. (Who?)
The lady from before, with the different spear style. Maybe we can pick up a few things from watching her drills.
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>>42091133
>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>Pick a circle, and start taking challengers.
>Other (?)
"Adventurers normally fight monsters as a party, yes. Feel free to come at me in teams."
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>>42091133
>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.
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>>42091133
>>Go poke the lady. She spoke to you, it's only fair.

Try not to poke a hole in her. That would be rude.
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Poke people with your knife hands!
You monster!

Writing!
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>>42091341
We are a giant spider, yes? That counts as monster.
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>>42091341
>You monster!
A giant one, even!
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>>42091341
Well yeah I mean we are a giant spider aren't we?
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>>42091341
We'll poke her with the butt of our spear then!
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>>42091474
speaking of spears we need to looking into getting an upgrade. preferably one that can withstand our colossal strength.
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>>42091541
Well, if we just get the material and some tips from the dwarves we should probably make our very own
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>>42091068
>water will likely mess with her forms when it comes to fighting with her spear

REQM, do we still have our glaive, or did that get left in the home tree?
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>>42091133
I'd like to try having mages shoot stuff at us while we practice making them fuck up. We haven't got to use our EMC anti-casting for anything in a long time.
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>>42091807
Yeah, that might be good
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>>42091341
Gently.
GEEENTLY.
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>>42091541
What's wrong with the current one, the one Lyra got from the animated armor in the forest 'mage is super full of himself' dungeon, which she reshaped with her powers and worked with her family to enchant using her refined element stone to give it nifty lightning powers?

>>42091611
Oh, that's right, rivermetal doesn't get slowed by water. Though that's only the blade, I'd imagine, so motions outside of piercing thrusts would probably still feel the effects of the extra resistance. Still, would probably be handy.

Using it would mean not trying to duplicate Lyra's fishing experiment with her lightning spear while actually underwater this time, though, and we can't have that!
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>>42091882
>What's wrong with the current one, the one Lyra got from the animated armor in the forest 'mage is super full of himself' dungeon, which she reshaped with her powers and worked with her family to enchant using her refined element stone to give it nifty lightning powers?
Its too soft and bends under Lyras strength too fast, and that was before the evolution.
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>>42091882
That it gets slowed in water.
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>>42091882
>What's wrong with the current one, the one Lyra got from the animated armor in the forest 'mage is super full of himself' dungeon, which she reshaped with her powers and worked with her family to enchant using her refined element stone to give it nifty lightning powers?
it cannot withstand the full Might of Tier 4 Lyra's strength, hell it was having problems with tier 3
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>>42091882
>What's wrong with the current one
The fact that our last half-dozen fights have all included a line where we bent and deformed it by accident.

It's a good spear, but our strength has passed the point where "good" is enough.
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>>42091882
>What's wrong with the current one,

Not strong enough for freakish spider strength. We kept bending it out of shape before our Tyrant evolution. Now our strength has been dialled up to FUCK YOU.

First time we get in a fight, we're going to accidentally shred it.
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>>42091882
>What's wrong with the current one
We can probably make something a lot better now that we are forge and all.
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>>42092051
Ideally, we could solve two problems at once and get a weapon that could absorb enemy mana for our use later. Probably need to wait for Sara for enchants like that though.
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>>42092098
Speaking of enchantments. We can reshape our current spear, but don't have the skills to transplant the Lightening Stone and it's fitting.

So we need to think of what to do with it when we take up a new spear. I vote we reshape it into a Lightening Sword for Nin. She's the most vulnerable of our group and could best use the added protection.
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>>42092153
>unmaking Ornstein's Spear
>the first magic weapon we ever crafted, the first weapon Sara enchanted, and memento of our first dungeon
Fuck no, that thing is going to be an heirloom.
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>>42092153
I wonder.. could a lightning stone be used in armor as well? A moth that suddenly turns into a bug-zapper would both be useful and ironic. Helpful for potential dangers later, since she's so valuable.
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>>42092186
Sara didn't enchant it. We didn't craft it, we just made it a bit longer, and its not a magic weapon, its a regular weapon with a magic stone in it.
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You clatter forward, into the growing sunlight, enjoying the touch of warmth it brings.
It'll be a good day, it seems.

The woman's- and her pack of trainees- movements are slow, deliberate. Each shift of the weapon, of their bodies seems deliberate to you, everyone of them in lockstep with the next.
It strikes you as military, more than the lax sort of styles that seem to be practised by the adventurers.

Maybe you can exchange pointers later. But for now-

You make no effort to keep quiet as you move, chitin clacking loudly as you step up to the woman's circle. You arm yourself from a nearby rack, an oversized training spear sitting just right in your hands.

And you reach out and tap her shoulder with the padded point.

She turns with a grin, her own spear steadying as she faces you.
"You came."
You tilt your head at the statement.
"Yes? I said I would?"

The older woman actually blushes, scratching her head with a heavy-gloved hand.
"Ah. Sorry. I haven't met any arachne, so I've only had stories to go by. One visited years ago, but I was away."
"That was probably for the best. It seems that my mother might have been a bit too excited when she sparred."
"I'm actually sad to have missed that, now."

You give her a stare, watching her smile.
Why are adventurers all insane? Wait, is she even an adventurer?
"Oh. What is your name, yes?"
"Shannon. Just Shannon, please. And you?"
"Lyra."

"Well then, I'd very much like a spar, please."

>Okay.
>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
>Other (?)
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>>42092215
>Okay.
>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
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>>42092215
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
Then
>Okay.
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>>42092153
The sheer difference in mass between an oversized giant-spider-sized spear and a moth-size rapier makes that a bit ridiculous. We could probably make twenty swords out of our spear.
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>>42092215
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?
Tips from senpai!
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>>42092215
>>Okay.
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
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>>42092215
>Okay.
>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
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>>42092215
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?
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>>42092215

>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>Okay.
And while we go to spar
>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?
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>>42092211
Erics and Sara both worked long and hard enchanting it back in thread 35.
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>>42092255
>The sheer difference in mass between an oversized giant-spider-sized spear and a moth-size rapier makes that a bit ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure he means to insert the stone into the rapier Nin already has.
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>>42092215
>"I'm actually sad to have missed that, now."
"You will probably be glad to have missed it in a few minutes, yes."
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>>42092215
>Okay. Gather your team, yes. You can ask another team to help if you don't have enough."
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Hmm does Shannon know just how strong an Arachne is? Maybe we should show her as a precaution.
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>>42092281
No they didn't, Erics worked on inserting the stone, he didn't enchant the spear, its something different.
You can't just pop the stone into a socket.
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>>42092215
>Okay.
>Before that- What kind of style is that?
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>>42092215
>>Okay.
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?

>>42092186
it's basically a mundane spear with an awesome elemental stone in it. if we can salvage the Storm stone from it then we can socket into whatever our new weapon is(Spear/Glave/etc...)
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>>42092286
Considering he said "reshape" I'm reasonably sure he meant otherwise.
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>>42092255
>>42092286
We can down-size the weapon just like we did when we first got it. Just make it shed mass until it's small enough.
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>>42092215
>Okay.
>Before that- What kind of style is that?

>>42092301
She seems pretty professional, I would trust her to know what she can do.

>>42092321
I took "reshape" to mean more like "salvage" because yeah, that'd be a bit too much metal for the moth.
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>>42092312
>>42092303
>it's basically a mundane spear with an awesome elemental stone in it. if we can salvage the Storm stone from it then we can socket into whatever our new weapon is

I remember the setting for the stone took a fair bit of work. And skills we don't have.

That's why I don't think we can fit the stone in another weapon without hiring an expert ... which I guess we can do, if people want to. But I though arming the Moth a little more would be a good idea.
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>>42092215

>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>Are you an adventurer? Wait, is that a rude thing to ask?

Make sure she knows spiderstrength too.
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>>42092340
>I took "reshape" to mean more like "salvage"
That would be a reasonable assumption to make if we weren't capable of reshaping it in the strictly literal sense by glaring at it.
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Everything, sure!

Gimme 1d100!
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Rolled 94 (1d100)

>>42092415
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Rolled 90 (1d100)

>>42092415
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Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>42092415
yaaay dice
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Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>42092415
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Rolled 96 (1d100)

>>42092415
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Rolled 81 (1d100)

>>42092415
rollan
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Rolled 41 (1d100)

>>42092415
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Rolled 2 (1d100)

>>42092415
>spider spear!
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>>42092215
>>Before that- What kind of style is that?
>Other: Tell Ren we're going to spar
Didnt she just tell us to tell her if we're going to have a sparring match?
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>>42092424
Yeah! First roll of the day!
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>>42092424
>>42092427
Wow.
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>>42092424
>>42092427
fucking spiders man
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>>42092439
I think you're in the wrong quest, try RE: Kobold quest if you're going to roll like that.

As for >>42092438
>>42092431 and
>>42092430
RE: Lizard quest wants its dice back.
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>>42092424
>Rolled 94
AhahahAHAHAHahahah~
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94!

Writing!
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>>42092439
Forgive me spiders for I have sinned.
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>42092469
Rolling for her attack!
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>>42092303
Check thread 35 again, friend. When Lyra asked about enchantments, and if they can work with stones, Erics said there were a few ways, one of which was focusing the stone's effect. And that's what we voted for. It was an enchantment, one that Erics and Sara both worked together on (with Lyra pitching in at one point).
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>>42092501
>It was an enchantment
It was how the stone was inserted, which requires magic preparations, but it was still not a enchantment separate from inserting the stone, it was just how it was done.
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>>42092501
>>42092534
THE POINT IS THAT SIS AND DAD WORKED ON THE SPEAR.
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>>42092561
And? Elle and mom worked on most if not all clothing we ever had, should we have kept all those after outgrowing them?

That sort of hoarding is just pointless when instead we could use it to make our companions safer instead, pretty sure everyone involved with making the spear would agree with that.
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>>42092465
No we don't. You be quiet.
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>>42092534
Seriously friend, go back and read the thread. Erics was answering a question about enchantment when he described the process that we voted on. The vote was to 'Enchant it'.

Though like >>42092561 said, the main point as it relates to the current (previous?) discussion is more that Lyra lacks the knowledge and skills and materials to apply the same focusing effect to a new weapon, even if she were to salvage the stone from her current spear. So getting a new weapon to hande Lyra's new strength will mean either finding a good enchanter, or losing out on the lightning attack (for now).
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>>42092414
Look, Even you should be able to understand mass. We could reshape it as much as we want, we could turn it into a fucking toothpick, if we dont actually REMOVE more then half of the metal altogether, Nin wouldnt be able to HOLD IT, let alone wield it. It's too fucking big.
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>>42092595
I agree.
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>>42092660
Or, we Just go talk to the dwarves like we were intending to do anyway, and then eventually do it ourselves with better material.
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>>42092660
>Lyra lacks the knowledge and skills and materials to apply the same focusing effect to a new weapon
Do it like everyone else and hire someone to do it, problem solved.
Seriously I don't see the problem. We will need someone anyway if we make a new spear and we need a new spear, so there isn't much of discussion to be had here beyond what to do with the old one.
And giving its lightning stone to someone else who will actually use it, and has need of using it because Lyra really doesn't, makes sense.
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>>42092595
I agree. When we make our own thing all by ourselves, stone setting or enchantments and all, We''l keep that one. this one we;'re just using because its the best we could do at the moment.
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>>42092662
I'll explain it as simply as I can. Using small words.

If we remove a lot of the metal and reshape what's left, we can make a weapon suitable for Nin.

We can easily make it smaller and lighter. Just like we did when we first fucking got it!
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>>42092800
And if we do that, depending on whether the enchantment would even keep when we're chopped off the majority of the weapon, and whether we could do so while leaving room for the stone and setting regardless, there might be no point at all in doing so.
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>>42092699
We can't do it ourselves, we're not mages. Even if we had the mana, we probably lack the arcane skill.

>>42092708
>Seriously I don't see the problem.
Because there is an alternative; talk to the dwarves, learn more about smithing, and put that knowledge and our spiffy new hearthiness to work reinforcing our current spear to handle our new strength.
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In other news REQM I've been reading A Horse of A Different Color.
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>>42092800
This means turning our spear into regular chunk of metal and then making chunk of metal into a weapon.
We can get chunks of metal anyway, without needing to break down our enchanted spear.
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>>42092940
Is the horse black when it's supposed to be white?
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>>42092930
I dunno, I think there's a good chance there's a method Lyra could learn to do it properly, given the mana. I cant imagine there's only one way to do enchanting.
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>>42092970
The whole point of the reshaping idea is the setting for the Lightening stone.

The suggestion is to remake the spear into a weapon suited to Nin, so she can have the extra protection of lightening bolts.

Making her a new weapon out of a random hunk of metal -without the magic bits- would defeat the whole point.
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>>42092930
>Because there is an alternative;
No a alternative would require this option to be as good as the other one, but it isn't.
You can't just "reinforce" a weapon, I have no idea how you imagine to do that.
Just plain making a new spear from better materials is superior in every form imaginable. Because thats what we need, a different material that can handle our strength, this spear is made from a certain material, and that isn't gonna be changed. And as long as the material its made from is inferior, its not gonna get much better not matter what we do.
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>>42093075

I'm going to laugh if the material we have is actually really strong, ancient metal that only needs a bit of tempering and external treatment to work better
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>>42093101
>that only needs a bit of tempering and external treatment to work better
You refuse to believe you are this stupid and ignorant of how metals work.
Just, no.
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>>42093101
>is actually really strong, ancient metal
Its obviously not very strong because we keep bending it, even if it were strong by comparison to regular steel, of which we have no indication at all, its obviously still npot sufficient so clearly we need something stronger.

>>42093101
>that only needs a bit of tempering
Maybe you should look up what tempering is and how it works.
Because its not what you seem to think it is.
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>>42093101
>that only needs a bit of tempering
You do know that tempering makes the metal SOFTER yes?
Which is the exact opposite of what we need.
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Why the love for the lightning spear? It's neat, but we've used the magic function all of.. twice? Lyra's almost always stabbity rather than casting. Nin would make more of a use of it.
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>>42093112
>>42093139

You are presumably both aware that tempering is just the process of heating metal to the point of recrystallization and then controlling the cooling process to get a more functional internal structure. Who's to say that would necessarily destroy the magic bits if we were to selectively temper parts of the spear?

Also, there are various forms of vapor deposition which use surface bombardment to create an alloy at the surface of the metal without penetrating too deep into the structure. That's something we can easily achieve with magic.
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>>42093247
>Who's to say that would necessarily destroy the magic bits if we were to selectively temper parts of the spear?
No one thats not the point, the point is
>>42093169
>You do know that tempering makes the metal SOFTER
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>>42093247
This is the part where /tg/ drastically overthinks something the QM probably cannot be assed to write. We'll just get a new spear and call it a day.
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>>42093247
Its cute how long it took you to look this up just to miss the point completly.
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>>42093297

You are aware that hardness is not strength as we conventionally think of it, right? A pure diamond sword would be really shitty, despite being the hardest sword of pseudo natural material possible. A good thwack would break it, because it is brittle. Sometimes in materials, decreasing internal stresses and brittleness is more important to increasing overall functional robustness than simply making something harder.
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>>42093247
>to create an alloy at the surface of the metal without penetrating too deep into the structure
Which, again, is still not what we need or want.
We don't want our spear to be softer and therefore have no reason to temper it, I have no idea why this is so hard to grasp for you.
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>>42093212
We love it because it's Ornstein's Dragonslayer. There will eventually come a day when the lightning damage will come in very handy.
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>>42093392
We're Satsuki with ornstein's spear, we're also a giant spider.
WE'RE FUCKING METAL
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>>42093359
>Sometimes in materials, decreasing internal stresses and brittleness is more important to increasing overall functional robustness than simply making something harder.
You're really just making a ass out of yourself with your insistent qouting of wikipedia without any actual understanding of what you're talking about.

Yes, brittleness can be a problem, BUT ITS NOT THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING.
OUR SPEAR BENDS! Which is the exact opposite of being too brittle, it means its to soft, its ductility needs to be REDUCED not INCREASED which is what tempering does.
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>>42093371
>We don't want our spear to be softer
Actually, we do. See >>42093359
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This the most laid back minor shitstorm i ever seen in a quest

I know protocol requires shitstorms to keep anons entertained till the next update in the thread

But this is really calm
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>>42093423
>Actually, we do.
So our problem is our spear keeps breaking because its too brittle and would therefore need softening?

Oh no wait, thats actually not our problem at all, our spear bends so its actually not hard enough.
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>>42093428
Shitstorms in this quest tend to be more poo inclement weather. And also tend to be about engineering or stuff.
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>>42093423
>Actually, we do.
Actually we don't, we have no problem with our spear being brittle, we have a problem with it being too soft.

In a new spear obviously we don't want it to be too hard, but thats a completly different topic.
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What if we kept the spear for lightning shooting purposes and got a new one for primary combat?
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>>42093412

I honestly don't remember a single time where our spear has been bent, not a one. However, that's why I listed two options. You can alloy the surface to make it harder if that's what you need. You can temper it to soften it, if that's what you need. I was also using tempering as a kind of short hand for the whole process before you temper it. You could, for instance anneal, rapid quench, and then temper it to whatever configuration its base composition allows for, but that's a pain in the ass to say and far too technical.

Honestly, I don't care too much about whether we keep this spear or get a new one, but I'm trying to suggest things that can get everyone what they want (ie, a stronger weapon while keeping our old one)
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>>42093462
Really no wifu shitstorms ever?
That's astounding
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>>42093531
We barely ever even use the lightning, carrying a huge spear just for that is kinda a waste of the lightning stone.
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>>42093557

We've bent and/or put finger indents into our spear many many times. Like right after Shez got hurt.
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Honestly this back and forth about her Majesty's spear being to soft or to hard seems to be a rather thinly veiled euphemism, no if anything we should talk about her eventual rule over the forest.
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>>42093586
Nin we both know that only happen after she is wed to the the bumblebee princess she's hiding from you
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You nod agreeably, stepping into the ring as her- friends? compatriots?- file out.
And then you stop.

"Ah- Before that, yes? What kind of style is that?"
"Oh? have you never seen our legendary spear of fangs technique?"
"No."
"I made that up."
"Okay."

She laughs lightly, taking stance inside the ring across from you, her weapon pointed low, held in two hands.
"It's an old military style. With a few changes for fighting things that aren't quite human shaped."
"I see. Thank you, yes."
"No, thank you. This is something I feel will help me step forward in my training, you know."

You nod. You do know. Sort of. Sparring with Mom certainly improved your ability by leaps and bounds compared to other things.
Of course, Mom would say that such a thing was useless without a base, and push the basic training even harder, so-

Well, it worked, didn't it?

The woman starts, her spear dipping, then snapping upwards, whistling towards your face- You sway back at the waist, letting it spike past you, retreating a half step.
And she doesn't stop there, pivoting her body, one leg snapping out in a fierce kick as she surges forwards.

It connects with your foremost leg, just below the knee.

Shannon bounces backwards, taking distance from you, her spear coming up in a guard.
"Oh."
"Oh?"
"I, uh- I hadn't considered that kicking an arachne's legs wouldn't work, honestly."
"Eh?"
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>>42093586

Didn't you see the past threads? We missed the requirements for the Queen evolution.

Now shut up, Nin.
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>>42093557
>You can alloy the surface to make it harder if that's what you need
No it isn't because we are likely to still just rip it apart.
There is simply a limit to how much stress a certain material can keep up with, its simply better to just use a different material rather than trying keep reforging the inferior material to make it maybe work somehow.

If you have a problem with your bronze sword bending, you shouldn't try to make the bronze sword harder when you can just get something out of steel instead.
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>>42093628
She laughs again, crouching low, and leading with her spear. She thrusts it forwards, and you move with her this time, catching it with your own weapon, batting it away and pushing her back, spreading your legs to cage her in.
"That kinda hurt, actually! If I'm kicking someone, I'm not supposed to be the one getting injured, you know?"
"What? Are you an adventurer?"
"Huh?"
"Oh- Is asking that rude?"

You sweep your spear, and she hops over it, using her own to keep you from snapping it up as she passes.
"It's not so much rude as it has nothing do with the conversation, though?"
"I just thought you were very strange, yes?"
She cackles, spinning in closer to dodge, the back of her spear whirling up to try and catch your chin.

"Aren't you the weird one, though?"
"I think I am very normal for a giant spider."
"Pretty sure you aren't!"

You catch the descending haft with your own weapon, shoving her backwards easily- She takes a guard again immediately, posture steady, eyes focussed-

And then you sweep her legs out from beneath her with one of your own.

She blinks twice from the round, laughing again.
"I didn't expect that."
"You can't fight that close to an arachne, yes? Our legs are very sharp."
"I don't think you cut me."
"I am trying very hard not to hurt you."

She rises up, dusting herself off.
"Damn, really? I should've come in full gear, then- You wouldn't happen to be up for a full spar, would you?"

>That sounds fun.
>I still need to train the others, yes.
>Wait, what is a full spar?
>Other (?)
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>>42093651
>Wait, what is a full spar?
>>That sounds fun.
but
>I still need to train the others, yes.
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>>42093651
>Wait, what is a full spar?
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>>42093651
>That sounds fun.
>Can our friends have some light sparring around here with the others?
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>>42093651
>That sounds fun.
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>>42093651
>>Wait, what is a full spar?

After she answers.

>"Oh so it's like training with mom"
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>>42093651

> You will need time to prepare your gear
> I will train with the others until then, yes?
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>>42093688
You can hear the faint scream from the guild
Oh God there's two of them!
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>>42093562
Well, we used to have husbandofags and waifufags jumping eachother on a regular basis, but we hadn't any of those in a long time.
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>>42093651
>>Wait, what is a full spar?
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>>42093651
>That sounds fun.
SURE DOES!
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>>42093651
>>That sounds fun.
>>Wait, what is a full spar?

>>42093629
>Implying that Tyrant isn't a Queen evolution
Oh my. You are going to be so disappointed.
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>>42093651
>That sounds fun.
>Wait, what is a full spar?
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>>That sounds fun.
>>I still need to train the others, yes.
>>Wait, what is a full spar?
Oh hey I think I found Elle being Elle.
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>>42093651
>That sounds fun.
>Wait, what is a full spar?
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>pic related

Read it and weep, hiding moth.
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>>42093651
>Wait, what is a full spar?
If she means full contact sparing.... No. We'd fucking kill her.

>Adventurers normally fight monsters in teams, yes? Is your team here?
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>>42093799
I second this suggestion.
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>>42093651
>Wait, what is a full spar?
>Is that safe?
>Let me set my friends to their training first.
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>>42093789
>If its not calledn 'Queen' it doesn't count as queenly
Oh poor anon, you have fallen right into the moths cunning mindgames.
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>>42093789
We'll take Emperess then. Meet all the monster races!
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Wait, what?
That sounds fun.

Writing!
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>>42093862
Great, we can finally stress test our new tyrant armour.
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>>42093840
It's not mindgames if it's the truth!
>>42093848
Hmm Empress Lyra Niallasdottir of Firescarn the Majestic, Thunderbreaker and Bane of Scales, Bone Crusher, Destroyer of Magic, Slayer of Beasts, Master of the Forge, Shaper of Earth, Weilder of Lighting and Caller of fire. Rebuilder of the Lost, Restorer of the Ancient, Spearwielder, Dungeonbreaker and Friend of Oakring.
Queen of the forest, Unifier of the tribes, Alpha of wolves, friend of harpies, protector of moths, Cousin to the Forestwalker, Adventurer among humans, Host and Guide of half-elves, ruler of all monsters does have a nice to it....
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>>42093840

...I meant the Queen evolution. Like, the one called Arachne Queen. Which we missed the requirement for.

I'm fully aware that tyrants can be queens and vice versa. But we, as a big-T Tyrant Arachne, cannot be a big-Q Queen Arachne.

The moth may claim otherwise, but the path she strove for is lost forever to us.
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>>42093926
>...I meant the Queen evolution.
The moth you replied to talked about the rule of the forest, which doesn't need any specific evolution, which is why he said "a Queen evolution" rather than "the Queen evolution".

The moth doesn't actually care that much about the path to rulership.
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>>42093915
>Hmm Empress Lyra Niallasdottir of Firescarn the Majestic
I prefer
>Her Imperial Majesty Lyra Niallasdottir of Firescarn etc.
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>>42093915
>>42093998
Quick Lyra the silk anti-powder mask you need to get out of here presto
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"Well, I haven't had the chance to- Wait, wait."
You hold up your hand before Shannon has a chance to speak again.

"First, yes. What is a full spar?"
"Eh? It's just a spar with everything, right?"
"With everything?"
"Yeah!"

She gestures wildly, her free hand drawing all sorts of things into the air.
"Armour and weapons and magic and skills- All that!"
"Oh."

You consider it for a moment.

"That sounds fun, yes."
"It does, doesn't it!"

It really does. Going all out- When was the last time you were pushed? Oh, wait. The gryphon. No, does that even count? It died so fast. It did mess up your armour a bit, though. And other people were helping out. And it tasted good, too.

That last bit doesn't have anything to do with anything.

When Mom evolved, maybe? Giving your all against her was- Well, it left you drained and exhausted and bruised and all that, but you still wanted more. Later. Quietly. Mom is kinda scary.

You look up from your thoughts to find that the woman has already disappeared, apparently vanishing into the city to retrieve her gear.
But she left the rest of her friends here. And there was something-

"Aha!"
"Huh?" "What?" "GAH!"
"What is a skill, yes?"
They all stare at you slowly, confused.

"A skill! What did she mean by skills?"
"Um- Techniques, probably?"
"She put them with magic, yes? So they're special, yes?"
The trainees glance between each other, shrugging.
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Writing for an hour. This is going to be a good update.
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>>42094865
"They are special, but- None of us have any."
"Oh. But what are they? What do they do?"
A younger man coughs, swinging his hand in a chopping motion.
"They're like magic. Sort of? But without mana. Or chanting?"

"So, nothing like magic?"
"They do magic things!"
"Like what?" You blurt out.
"Like- Swinging a sword, but a blade of wind cuts stuff!"

"That sort of thing is real?"
"Only the best have them, you know!"
"So Shannon is someone special?"
"Of course! She's the duke's own sist-"

He manages to clap his hands over his mouth at the same time his companions do.

>That is some sort of secret, then?
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
>You are all guards, then?
>Other (?)
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
>Other
Let's teach each other then, yes.
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>>42094880
>>You are all guards, then?
>>Anyway How do I get techniques?
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
really why would we care about some dukes sister, when we are a queen.
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
>Other
"See I can do things too! Nut I wouldn't call them techniques." Time to don chitin armor
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
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>>42094880
>Oh, you mean like this?
Light yourself on fire and call forth some magma from the earth.
>Wait...I probably shouldn't use that against her.
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
>ON WITH THE SPARRING
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
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>>42094880
>>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
>>You are all guards, then?
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>>42094880
>"So they're like Abilities, then?"
>do some fire/earth/forge control stuff.
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>>42094880
>That is some sort of secret, then?
>How do I get techniques?
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>>42094880
>You are all guards, then?
>"So theyre kind of like Abilities but combat focused?
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>>42094880
>>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
Because being able to summon magma 'n shit clearly isn't enough for us.
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>>42094880
>Oh, like this?
>Stab your spear into the ground, rending the hard-packed ground of the sparring area in twain, baring to the sky the gentle glow of the lifeblood of magma that flows deep below the earth.
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>>42094880
>No, I don't care about that. How do I get techniques?
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>>42095021
Ow. The edge.
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>>42095050
That isn't edgy, more pretentious.
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Thats not important right now, tell me your secrets!

Writing!
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>>42095050
There's edge and then there's being descriptive. Just because you look for words like 'rend' and 'lifeblood' doesn't mean it's edgy. They're poetically accurate words.
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Are techniques a non-monster only thing, like with jobs? Would the reincarnation thing be a cheat for us to get some if they are?
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>>42095084
If they are for non-monster only we aren't gonna get them for the same reason we can't get jobs.
Lyra is a giant spider now, the universe doesn't care what she used to be.
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>>42095082
Maybe, but they are completely unfitting of the situation.
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>>42095117
She's half elf. I vaguely remember something about half monsters being bullshit.
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>>42095082

It's not edgy, but it is a tad too grandiose for the circumstance. It's like someone trying to quote Shakespeare at a monster truck rally. It just doesn't really click.
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>>42095128
Splitting the earth and magmabending through the crack is pretty awesome. Words fit.
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>>42095136
>She's half elf.
No, she is a arachne with some elf heritage, this has been adressed in-story.
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>>42095156
We can still technically call ourselves a half elf as it is correct, we are also an arachne. Being one doesn't exclude being the other, its just that the term is intended for a different group entirely.
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>>42095151
Does not fit the situation. Stop being edgy to the guards.
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>>42095197
Again, it's not edgy, it's grandiose. And honestly, I can't think of a good way to describe calling up magma from the bowels of the earth that doesn't sound even a little grandiose. It's pretty cool.
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>>42095175
>We can still technically call ourselves a half elf
That doesn't matter at all, I don't know why you try to be technical about it.

Lyra is not a half.elf/half.monster in the sense of the creatures that exist in the setting that can both evolve and learn humanoid jobs.
She is not a half-elf as far as these things are concerned, which was what the conversation was about.
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>>42095222
Its still a stupid idea, we are not going to kill the dukes sister in a spar.
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>>42095222
"And she caused lava to fountain from the ground"
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>>42095222
Careful there, edgehog. You might cut yourself.
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>>42095222
>when I stab the ground with my spear, it makes magma, yes?
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>>42095247
We aren't sparring right now, asswipe. Read the quest.
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>>42095239
Regardless, the 'too ignorant to obey the rules' thing is amusing to ponder.


"Did she just..?"
"That's not supposed to happen."
"Shh! I want to see if she can dual slash!"
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>>42095175
>We can still technically call ourselves a half elf as it is correct
As far as I know Half-Elf is a actual race like in D&D, and so Lyra is actually not a half-elf like Lann.
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>>42095256
So being descriptive is considered edgy, now? Well then, good sir, I hope you find yourself riddled with painful blemishes upon your anus and forced to walk through several corridors littered with legos.
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>>42095316
And now I'm bleeding. Reel in the edge, will ya?
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>>42095316
I always thought it was more the whole trying to be cool thing.

The rule of cool is simple: It happens on its own, if you force it, its not cool.
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>>42095333
Not that anon, but I'm starting to think you don't actually know what edge is.
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>>42095352
He might just be bleeding from the legos.
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>>42095344
But I'm not even trying to be cool. I'm just trying to be descriptive, because I personally find it more satisfying. Honestly, I don't give a rat's ass what he thinks of me, but I find the notion of 'Hey, let's call this guy an asshole for putting some effort into it' kinda confusing on principle.
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>>42095409
I'm calling you an idiot. Keep your childish fantasies to yourself.
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>>42095409
I think its less the effort put in, but the fact your doing write ins that are vastly over egging the affair for the situation that its in which rubbed them the wrong way.
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>>42095409
It's an anonymous imageboard. There is literally no reason to defend yourself for so long about something that means absolutely nothing. Learn to let go and stop replying.
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>>42095455
Mostly it didn't really sound like something Lyra would say or that reqm would narrate as.

Just a bit purple prose-y, and that can stand out pretty bad.
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>>42095461
But if people don't put in the effort to discuss their faults and disagreements, then how do they improve as people? To the anons who said things like 'I think you're being a bit grandiose', the point of that was to show just how outlandish and amazing it was to those people just standing there, watching the giant spider just casually put crack in the ground that led all the way down to molten lava. It WOULD be grandiose to them, regardless of how Lyra would have described it. And yet, having said this, I've received no feedback beyond 'Stop being so edgy.' If there's a problem with how I write things, I want to improve on that.
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>>42095555
Use an appropriate amount of description for the context. Don't go as much as you like. "Stop being so edgy"
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>>42095555
Less is more.
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>>42095555
EEEEEEEEEDDGGEEEEEEE!
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"Uh- Uh- Uh-"
"No, no. I do not care about that, yes? How do I get techniques."
"What?"
"Techniques, how do I get techniques?"

"But you're a monster?"
"I am aware of that, yes? I still want them."
"I- Don't think you can?"
"Why not?!"

The man looks helplessly to his cohorts.
"Because you're a monster? Only humans- only the non-monsters can gain them."
You scowl. At the man. At the universe in general.

"That is stupid, yes. Who made up this rule? I want them."
"Noone made it up?"
"Someone did!"

"HaHA!"

Your argument- if it could even be called as much- is rather terrifically interrupted, via the arrival of Shannon.
Who is now in full, and extraordinarily heavy looking platemail, with a spear the size of your own.

You'd laugh, but her eyes are shining just like your mother's.

"Alright! Let's do this!"
"WAIT!"

The adventurer's guild's door swings open once more, this time disgorging the archduke himself- His armour is the same as his apparent sister's, though he's swung a massive to handed sword over his shoulder rather than a spear.
"What do you think you're doing!?"
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>>42095620
>>42095631
>>42095636
>>42095651
It's like you people don't even take the time to read shit
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>>42095756
"Huh? What does it look like? I'm sparring, right? This is a spar!" Shannon retorts.
The duke snorts loudly, his moustache bristling.
"What sort of nonsense is that! You know full well you can't go attacking guests in the city, brat!"
"Th' hells that supposed to mean? Huh? Don't get cocky just cause you're a few minutes older!"

Oh gods, twins.

"I am the older brother! And I just said-"
"You're just mad cause I beat you to it!"
"Ridiculous!"
"Hah! You gonna lie about it now? What, do you just visit the guild in full armour? Huh? I'm here first, so you have to go second!"

The duke slams his sword down, actually producing a tremor.
"I won't stand for this! I'm the elder, so I should go first!"
"Oh yeah? Fight me for it!"

What.
What is even going on now.

"2 Gold on the duke!"
"3 on the iron lady!"
What. Why are you betting on this? Is this normal? Is this what normal is supposed to be? Is everyone insane?

That's it, isn't it. The whole world is insane.

A growing circle of adventurers has already formed around the pair- shouting bets and encouragements and generally just making a lot of noise.
"Alright! Bets over here!- One and a half to One for the Duke! Winner takes on the Queen! Getcher money in now!"
Maybe if you just kill everyone.

>This can't be normal. Ask someone.
>Fuck it. Fuck everything. Bet. (On who?)
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
>Other (?)
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>>42095555
Just don't use unnecessary description, this isn't Exalted. Saying something like "Lyra slams her spear down, cracking the earth and spewing magma" or something works just as fine.
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>>42095776
>>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
Fight them both at the same time.
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>>42095776
>No fighting between siblings, yes. Only against me.
Armor up and turn on the heat. Against them both, we might actually end up losing.
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>>42095776
>>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
>>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
Ha ha, time for spider on twins action!
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>>42095776
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
>>Fuck it. Fuck everything. Bet. (On who?)
Iron Lady
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>>42095776
>>This can't be normal. Ask someone.
>>Fuck it. Fuck everything. Bet. (On who?)
Let's bet on the Duke.
>Other (?)
Check on Nin and Ezzy.
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>>42095776
>Fuck it. Fuck everything. Bet. (On who?)
Always bet on the Duke.
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>>42095776
>Offer to fight both of them
If not
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
>>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
>Other (?)
ORRRR make it 2 on 1. Gotta make it fair.
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>42095776
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
Seriously, they're no doubt very experienced, but we're a giant spider. Let's hold back a little less this time.
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>>42095776
>>This can't be normal. Ask someone.
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>>42095776
>>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
Force it into a 2 vs 1
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>>42095776
>Let them team up.
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>>42095776
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
this or
>Make it 2vs1. Come get the giant spider.
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>>42095779
>Just don't use unnecessary description, this isn't Exalted.
Bitch what. This is totally fucking Exalted tier.
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>>42095776
Fight them both at the same time, it might be a challenge that way.
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>>42095555
>But if people don't put in the effort to discuss their faults and disagreements

No one is trying to make an actual point here. No one really cares how you worded your post. No one cares what you think of the criticism.

They're just making fun of your wording and calling you an edgefaggot because its funny/kills time between story posts/they're sort of dicks and like to be over critical.
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>>42095776
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095776
>Other
>Make it a 2 vs 1.
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>>42095776
>"I could fight you both?"
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>>42095776
"This is perfect! If I'm fighting two of you, it'll be fair!"
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>>42095886
Pretty much all of the above.

>>42095760
Edge.
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>>42095776

> Make it a 2v1

This is probably a terrible decision, but at worst it serves to bring Lyra back to earth.
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I wish people would stop being incredibly arrogant jackasses already.
These people are anything but chumps and you guys should stop assuming otherwise.
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>>42095776
>Give up and walk away, check on our friends.
>Maybe ask Ms. Not-a-Waitress Predator-Smile if she knows about techiques and the rules that prevent normal-monsters-bound-by-fate from acquiring them.
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>>42095776
>Fuck it. Fuck everything. Bet. (On the Spider)
>...You could cut the time this would take in half by making it a free-for-all.
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>>42095927
Plus one to this.

>Wonderful! It will be more fair if I fight you both, yes. I won't feel bad about picking on you then.
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>>42095776
>ALL OUT FIGHT EVERYONE, CRUSH THE ENEMY MORALE, CONQUER THE CITY, PAT CUTE GIRL HEADS
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Guys, guys. Think about this.

These two are pretty much what would happen if you combined Lyra with Zach and Ephram. Two very strong, very skilled and very competitive siblings.

I don't think Lyra will be able to take them both at the same time.
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>>42095958
No one is assuming anything, I bet each of them are LYras match, but that makes it good training. She could at any point get into a fight with mutliple people who are her match.
Lyra doesn't need "challenging" she needs "brutally hard".

If they kick Lyras ass, thats good too, its just training.
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>>42095839
>Gotta make it fair
They'd need like thirty more guys.
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>>42095776
>Other
>Make it a 2v1
We need our full armor though, it's only fair.
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>>42095981
So we'll get more exp out of a dual fight than taking them one at a time, duh.
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>>42095981
If she can't take them, great! Lyra learns more about opponents who know each other very well and fight in concert. We literally have nothing to lose except a little dignity.
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>>42095981
>Guys, guys. Think about this.
I did, and I concluded together they equal at least One Mom.
Thats exactly what Lyra needs.
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>>42095981
No, but at least this way Lyra won't feel bad about bringing the full force of magmaspider down on them.
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It's a fight?

2d100, please!

I'll be eating, but writing too!
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>>42095973
>>42095927
"How about I fight you both, yes?"
>"That's a given, but we still need to work out who's first."
"No, I meant at the same time."
>"That hardly seems fair."
"Hmm. Alright. I won't use any magma, then."
>"I'm sorry?"
"I'm being fair, yes."
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>>42095958
You're assuming that we don't, in some fashion, want to get our giant queenly ass handed to us. Also, pretty sure it'll be one on one on one, not two on one.
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Rolled 9, 56 = 65 (2d100)

>>42096050
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Rolled 71, 62 = 133 (2d100)

>>42096050
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Rolled 11, 100 = 111 (2d100)

>>42096050
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Rolled 48, 2 = 50 (2d100)

>>42096050
Full armor, go all out, let's kick some ass.
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Rolled 64, 54 = 118 (2d100)

>>42096050
Satan guide my cock!
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Rolled 10, 76 = 86 (2d100)

>>42096050
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Rolled 7, 9 = 16 (2d100)

>>42096050
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71, 100? Yeah, we're solid.
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>>42096073
Well, shit.
Well done anon.

>>42096050
>>42096066
>>42096072
>>42096073
71,100 it is.
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>>42096006
Not if Lyra gets wrecked so hard she doesn't get a chance to even learn anything.

But, whatever. Should be good either way.
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Rolled 7, 84 = 91 (2d100)

>>42096073

>>42096050
Goddamn Lyra, you scary
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>>42096066
>>42096072
>>42096073
>71, 100
OH BOY
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>>42096072
>>42096073
71, 100.

I can live with that.
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>>42096073
It begins.
Oh lord please tell me the second roll is ours.
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>>42096073
71, 100
We dead, deader than dead
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>>42096066
>>42096072
>>42096073
>71, 100

We do decently against the sister and absolutely wreck the duke?
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>>42096073
I guess one of them goes flying in our first attack?
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>>42096073
>100
AhahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahah!
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>>42096050
What end up winning, free-for-all or 2v1?

>>42096114
We don't roll for the opponent.
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>>42096110
>Oh lord please tell me the second roll is ours.
I figure one us vs each sibling.
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>>42096116
One could be offense and the other defense.
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>>42096116
I'm pretty sure these guys are Mom-level in skill, so the 100 probably isn't complete onehit kill.
Rolls get modified afterall.
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>>42096127
Don't you remember that time we wore a wedding dress?
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>>42096073

I think we just unlocked magma armor.
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>>42096162
At this point I'm just happy we didn't get ~40 rolls
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>>42096073
Oh. Did we just solidify the joints of their armor so they can't move?
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>>42096127
>We don't roll for the opponent
Have you forgotten about the dresslingerie Elle made already?
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71 and 100.

Okay, sure.

back and writing!
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>>42096287

Magma armor time?
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>>42096110
>>42096139
>>42096139
It's either that or attach/defence rolls.
In which case we tank LIKE A BOSS
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>>42096287
I can see REQM just rolling his eyes and wondering if we'll ever roll under 70.
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>>42096319
Only QM on the board to have this issue.

Someday we're gonna get the crackbitch from HMQ and lose someone during a fight and it'll be terrible.
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>>42096319
Lamb is crying because Lizards can't have spider dice
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>Nin is watching
>Lyra just went FULL TYRANT
The legend cannot be stopped!
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>>42096373
The beauty is, in a full fight Lyra has to put on the helmet.
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>>42096319
Sure we will. As soon as we choose to do something with our webbing.

And then we'll have such a critical failure that Lyra will be stuck to a wall for half a day with a happy Moth putting a flower crown in her hair and decorating her spear to look like a giant scepter.
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>>42096351
man HMQ isen't even that bad anymore, most of the big fails get covered by the powers. Lizard dice however are hilariously bad for everything but sneaking.
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>>42096373
All the people just called her the Queen and she didn't even bother denying it.
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>>42096389
Oh god... we have a Magical Tyrant Transformation Scene, don't we?
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I feel a little bad for he Duke, he's so badass he can cause tremors by slamming his sword on the ground, but no one's gonna thinks that so impressive anymore once we start causing earthquakes
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>>42096473
Goddamnit anon.
Now I want a pretty background and ribbons and shit to go shooting out.
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>>42096319
I'm not sure why people have so much trouble getting that 70 is noticably below average if you take the best of 3.
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>>42096473
Shove our spear in the ground, Tyrant armor comes up, and we start pulling magma. Maybe coat ourselves with it to add extra layers?
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>people try to sweep our legs
Shit guys. This is a precursor to someone much larger doing it.
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>>42096479
I think its more likely everyone will be impressed as hell the guy and his sister can go toe-totip with a giant monster spider.
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>>42096492

We take the best of three so that statistically, we should end up above average. Like, players are happiest when they are succeeding, and I think this quest proves that.
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>>42096486
>a pretty background and sparkly flames and shit to go shooting out.
FTFY
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>>42096539
ribbons are essential, anon.
There can ALSO be flames, but you can't ditch the ribbons.
Also, while not required, it's almost mandatory we go naked for an instant mid-transformation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t5tFglSGa8
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>>42096473
>our cracks start glowing and flashing in rythem
>hair streaming in the nonexistent wind
>glow and false-fire spread up our arms from the fingertips before lighting the fur at the end in a flourish
>smooth camera slid up to our crown burying from our forehead
>then down as the helmet closes over our fave from the sides
>zoom out, dramatic pose as the crown ignites
>where did these giant floating letters come from
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>>42096565
>burying
*bursting
Autocorrect why.
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>>42096524
Shoot, you're right. Lyra will need to train hard to learn to cope with that, though I imagine the giant ornament on her butt will make leaps a bit difficult.
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>>42096473
http://brickme.tumblr.com/post/94237039468/why-magical-girls-are-never-attacked-during-a

I would feel remiss if I didn't point this out.
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>>42096620
she'll have to make do. A proper transformation sequence is key.
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>>42096664
shit, that is forbidden knowledge.
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>>42096664
So, MAGMA CURTAIN?
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>>42096562
But the pure ribbons are for Elle! Ours have to be ribbons of flames that barely conceal our modesty during the part where the armor appears! And the background has to be filled with glittering embers that increase in bursts with each piece of armor, with one final burst from behind us when we pose dramatically at the end of the scene!
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>>42096747
that's fine. Ribbons are involved, they don't have to be pure.
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>>42096537
If the end result is essentially the equivalent of the GM lowering all DCs to single digits for a 1d20 system, that's just pointless circlejerking.

As far as I see it, the only proper reason for using best of three is that it leads to less variance, which is important in a quest because you roll far fewer dice per challenge.
With a single die system you'd be looking at next to no consistency and huge jumps in competency literally all the time, because a quest cannot support the half dozen rounds of dicerolling per combat required to make such a thing work reliable.

This is of course also why overriding critfails in a best of three d20 system are retarded as fuck.
That just brings a 15% chance to hit a nat1, which means you're looking at scheduled bouts of utter incompetence that completely clash with the rest of the results.
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>>42096785
The DCs are low because we are an overpowered giant spider. Against mom in sparring the DC was in 85 ballpark.
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>>42096287
>71 and 100.
oh dear god these rolls
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>>42096830
This quest still has an abnormal spread, with nat 100s and 70+ rolls commonly and critfails not occuring more than twice ever. RE: Lizard on the other hand is a completely average spread, with nat 100s and nat 1s at the most random and sometimes hillarious times, like when we crit succeeded at making the very fabric of the universe bend over by casting magic we didn't understand in the slightest and were shoving the wrong form of magic into it.

Speaking of that lamb, what was the DC for that and wasn't it supposed to be a blatant trap option?
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>>42095756
>The man looks helplessly to his cohorts.
>"Because you're a monster? Only humans- only the non-monsters can gain them."
>You scowl. At the man. At the universe in general.
>
>"That is stupid, yes. Who made up this rule? I want them."
>"Noone made it up?"
>"Someone did!"

wait... isn't our ability to control earth a skill? since its not magic and uses our stamina instead?
also, to be fair to the humans, they can't evolve (which is sad)\
... i still want skills
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>>42096928
No, its a blessing by a god.
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>>42096928
RIP Human Quest
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Rolled 2 (1d8)

>>42096912
>70+ rolls commonly
The average result expected from 3d100k1 is roughly 80. We can reasonably expect half our rolls to be 80 or above, the spread is pretty reasonable.
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>>42096947
Where did that fucker go
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>>42096951
So are you saying that the RE: Lizard dice are abnormal?
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>>42096928
>wait... isn't our ability to control earth a skill?
Nah.
It's INNATEMAGICALPOWER, it's totally different from SECRET TECHNIQUE OBTAINED FROM SKILL.

Basically it's RPG mechanics stuff, like Monsters have Evolutions while Humanoids have Classes.
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>>42096964
very
as long as they do "best of 3" and not "average of 3" or some such
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Rolled 3 (1d8)

>>42096964
I don't know what they're like, since I don't follow RE:Lizard.
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>>42096830
That's not the issue here.

I know that REQM is actually aware of what best of three does to the dice results and sets his DCs accordingly.
That came up on the Ask at some point.

My problem is that people /in this thread/ apparently think that 71 is a /good/ result, when two thirds of all rolls get at least that much.

Case in point, considering that these seem to be rather challenging opponents and that a 71 is noticably below the expected average, we by all likelyhood FAILED the first DC and got our spiderbutt saved by the nat100.
This however is apparently flying over almost everyone's head.
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>>42096912
>and critfails not occuring more than twice ever.
I remember at least three, one when trying to balance our friends over to the family gathering, one when Nin discovered our secret weakness (and we got atacked by hydra bu it should be obvious what here was the crit failt), and one when we webbed in our own hands.
Pretty sure there had been one or two more though.

I'm somewhat sure we had at least as many, if not more nat1 than 100.

What IS interesting is how all our nat1s happened in funny and inconsequential moments.
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>>42096962
He nobly sacrificed himself to bring back a greater power, to summon the great Diarca back from the void.

>>42096982
Mechanically speaking, RE: Lizard quest is identical to RE: Monster quest. Hell, the two QMs are even running from the same universe setting.
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>>42097007
Last thread we managed to critfail in RE: Lizard and get ambushed by a giant trap door spider (the actual insect kind). Thankfully his poison bite was not very effective on us, and he was weak to fire type attacks.
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>>42097005
>we by all likelyhood FAILED the first DC
DCs are not flat amounts, they are modified by both our and our opponents stats.
So while our opponents probably got good stats, especially skills, Lyra got very decent skills and literally monstrous physical stats, the modification may easily be in her favour.
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>>42097045
Well BUG has always been weak to FIRE type attacks.
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>>42097007
We also tried to make webtraps for a bunch of wolves in the cave and got nat 1 interpreted as running empty on silk.
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>>42097078
Something Moth often forgets, needling a Bug/Metal type with fire type attacks.
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>>42097005
>This however is apparently flying over almost everyone's head.
Not at all, it doesn't change that 70 actually IS a good result because lower results could have happened too.
Its not a fantastic one, but we only need solid.
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>>42096928
>.. isn't our ability to control earth a skill?

Seems like something different that has essentially the same result. Just different ways of supernatural mojo manifesting in monsters/non-monsters. Maybe. We'll probably learn more about it soon enough.

>>42096940
>No, its a blessing by a god.

No, our elemental control and divine blessings are separate things. We're such utter bullshit that we get multiple types of magic.
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>>42097124
>needling a Bug/Metal type with fire type attacks.
Its cool how Lyra evolved from Bug to Bug/Fire and now to Bug/Steel.
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This-
This isn't going to stop, is it?
They aren't going to stop.

It's like someone took Ephram and Zach and gave them weapons. And your mother's temperament.
"10 Gold against the Queen!"

Noooooo-
Why is everyone doing this? Why is this happening? Ever since you came to the city it's gotten worse! It isn't even Nin anymore just adventurers and- and-
And the Archduke of the city. And half the nobles.

This isn't going to get better, is it?

There's only one way through this for you. You've got to clean this up as fast as you can. You don't have time to wait for them to settle their sibling homicide/rivalry or whatever, you need to get this moving. And then escape.
Maybe you can just be spiderghost until you leave.
Maybe forever.

Your spear is close at hand, thankfully, and the crowd clears for you as you start to move, the roar slowly dying down.
The siblings aren't watching, engrossed as they are in battering each other. Shannon narrowly dodges a swing of that massive sword, lashing out with a kick that stumbles him back a step.

You clear your throat. Loudly.

Faces turn, one by one, until even the Duke and his sister are watching you, confused.

The fire starts at your feet.

The veins in your legs, your arms, moves from red, to yellow, to white hot, the sand beneath your feet sizzling into glass- the little tufts of fur wrapped around your chitin burst into their fake flames, even as the courtyard's silence gives way to the crunch-crack of your chitin shifting, expanding.

The armour swells around you, lit from beneath with fire and stone, the 'eyes' of the helm gleaming. The crown blasts into existence again, swelling to twice its prior height, a roaring tribute to your own determination.

You lower your spear, point towards them, and slam two feet to the ground, a rumble of warning.
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>>42097145
She still has that quad-weakness to fire covered up by Ability.
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>>42097052
I'm not saying we failed by a significant amount or got our ass kicked, but I also doubt that there were enough advantages in Lyra's corner that a 71 managed to get her into the lead.

We're newly evolved, don't even know half our powers and these are very strong and experienced combatants.
When you add the fact that Lyra's most blatant advantages are not her high skills but that she's incredibly hard to put down and is crazily strong, it seems rather likely that she can't influence the DCs as much as the others can but gets to tank more losses and crush her enemies with fewer wins.
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>>42097131
>No, our elemental control and divine blessings are separate things.
Actually not. Elemental Control comes from the blessings, you can look up the elemental control abilities and blessings of our companions/Sara and see they always relate.
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>>42097161
They spare half a glance for each other before they dive towards you, weapons raised, faces bright, a single warcry on their lips.
Around you, the crowd howls and cheers.

They attack at the same time, barely a half beat between each strike, heavy blows raining down upon you- You deflect the duke's swing to one side, even as it bends your spear, ducking your head and letting his sister's weapon scrape through your crown.

Your own blow sweeps towards them, driving them back, a further step from each other- and you force yourself into that gap, unwilling to let them hold the tempo of the match. You shift your efforts to corner Shannon, pushing her back, leaving yourself open-

Or so he'd like to think, in any case.

As you tangle your spear with hers, you shift your rear to accept the incoming blow, taking the blade straight across the skull that adorns your spider-body. It doesn't disappoint you.

The sword echoes with a dull tone, reverberating in his hands as he curses, trying to regain his stance, and you can feel the stares on your unmarred behind. You throw a wave of earth at him to assist in his balance.

His sister cackles with delight, her spear glimmering as it turns into two, three weapons, each whirling towards you- You fold your arm, letting the move crack into your chitin- There's discomfort, but no pain.
You dip your body, lowering your shoulder and simply bowling her over, throwing her back and away, buying some time-
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>>42097161
That was totally a transformation sequence!

Yisss!
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>>42097172
>We're newly evolved, don't even know half our powers and these are very strong and experienced combatants.
She knows all of her old skills which is more than enough.
Mom was a terror among adventurers when she was on Lyras skill level and 3 tiers lower.
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>>42097188
You whirl around the second she's given you a millimetre of breathing room, your fist already clenched and flying.

There's another sound like a dull gong as your hand hammers into the side of the incoming sword, smashing it to the side, where it does no small amount of damage to the floor. The Duke's expression of utter shock is entirely worth it.
Your spear swings in one handed- and you catch the haft, promoting your attack from mild inconvenience to Arachne baseball, sending the city's ruler sailing out of the ring and into the crowd.

The ground around you is already churning as you turn again-

This time to a spear leveled at your head and glowing.

"Point!" Shannon crows.

You let the smouldering earth growing beneath her go.
There's an angry roar from somewhere behind you.
"Godsdammit- What the hells are you made of, Girl!?"

You laugh, the mask splitting off your face as you take gulping breaths of air.
That was fun. You were right.
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>>42097192
And part 02...
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>>42096351
After Blorp's Ogre Civ quest died, the stupid lucky had to go somewhere.
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>>42097214
haha, that sounds effect
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>>42097214
Part 03...
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>>42097212
And that is it for today!

Bla blah blah blah awful schedules blah blah-
I don't know when the next thread will be, unfortunately.

But I can answer questions and all that in thread.
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>>42097250
DID NIN SEE
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>>42097250
Thanks for running, boss.
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>>42097250
Thanks for running, great fight,
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>>42097244
Part 04...
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>>42097250
thanks for running, fun and awesome thread like usual.

say, you mentioned before that if people intentionally try to get blessings then they don't get them. but also said that a proper dungeon that is dedicated to a god gives you its blessings when you finish the dungeon.
Isn't that a bit contradictory? or is it only referring to doing actions like "protecting the orphans" and the like with the intent to get a blessing?
Also, speaking of dungeon. doesn't that mean that heroes tend to have dark blessings and villains light blessings?
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shit, it's over... part 05...
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>>42097250
Thanks for running!
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>>42097250
that was fun.
So, if I'm reading this right, they are the ones who got the point?
Sounds good. I knew the correct answer to taking lyra down was to use a team of high level adventurers.
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>>42097294
Part 06! whew! took me a while to draw this actually, new styles are always hard.
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>>42097244
I like your art style.
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>>42097291
I think what he means is 'If you want to successfully try for a blessing, the only way you're probably gonna get it is through a dungeon.'
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>>42097306
>I knew the correct answer to taking lyra down was to use a team of high level adventurers.
A team of high level adventurers is the correct answer to taking down anything.
Thats completly meaningless.
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>>42097336
Incorrect.
A team of high level adventurers can't take down a SCIENCE PROBLEM, for example.
But they excel at taking down monsters.
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>>42097250
Thanks for running!
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>>42097315
That sequence was hilarious, thanks for drawing.
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>>42097346
>A team of high level adventurers can't take down a SCIENCE PROBLEM
Sure they can, they just need to punch the science god in the soul until he fixes it for them.
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We should be weak to water type attacks at a minimum, possibly to another rock or ground type as well.
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>>42097346
A team of high level wizards and alchemists could probably tackle a SCIENCE PROBLEM quite effectively.
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>>42097192
>>42097214
>>42097244
>>42097268
>>42097294
>>42097315
Haha, that's fantastic! Thank You!

>>42097262
DO MOTHS WORSHIP THE COMING QUEEN

>>42097263
>>42097267
>>42097297
Thanks for playing!


>>42097291
It's a bit odd, but reaching the bottom of a dungeon is far and away harder than getting a blessing in the usual manner- These are superstructures built by gods filled with their power and heavily guarded.

And yes, your example is spot on- If you tried to be a hero with the intention of getting a blessing, it would never happen.

As for dungeon types, it's the other way around- To attain the blessings of their worshipped god, people will frequently challenge that god's dungeon, if it's known.
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>>42097346
To be honest we might have been able to kill one of the two if we really wanted to
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>>42097346
No, not EVERY group of adventurers could, A group of adventurers certainly could..
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>>42097346
>>42097362
joking aside
>get the best scientific mind from the entire world working together, threat of violence to remove any nationalistic opposition to cooperation, kidnapping for leverage might be needed too
>give them unlimited budget
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>>42097346
Course they can.
First they track down the experts who can solve the problem, then they do some quests for them, bribe them, kidnap them or blackmail them, depending on adventurer alignment and the other party's willingness to help, and then they murderhobo around until they've acquired all the resources necessary to actually implement the solution that said experts decided upon.
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>>42097250
What's your opinion on spider BDSM?
http://cdn.theguardian.tv/brightcove/2013/1/11/130111SpiderSilkReeling-16x9.mp4
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>>42097364
>We should be weak to water type attacks at a minimum, possibly to another rock or ground type as well.
Nope, Steel resists Rock and Bug resists Ground. So with a Heat Proof ability Lyra is actually not weak against anything as Bug/Steel. Because Fire would be that typings only weakness.
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>>42097346
>Implying that there's not an adventuring party where members have levels in Mathematician, Statistician, Engineer, Biologist, Astronomer, Geologist, Physicist, and Stand-up Comedian
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>>42097346
A FULL team of high level adventures likely includes a wizard, who would be up to dealing with thinky problems.
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>>42097431
Actually she would be, ironically, weak against Fire because Heat Proof would only half the double weakness.
If she would have a Ability that makes her immune to Fire though, then she would have no weakness.
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>>42097250
That's was a great run REQM!
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>>42097383
Thanks for running!
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>>42097364
Why should we be "weak" to anything? bit of a strange trade-off if you ask me "here get stronger! but for reasons here's a new crippling weakness! why not just have the usual can kill pretty much everything physical trauma work?
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>>42097427
This is not okay.

>>42097352
>>42097464
>>42097482
Thanks for playing!

And to whoever was talking about a re:centaur- While I've been in contact with a QM who'd been interested in writing one, I didn't realize they'd already started. Is it not on 4chan?
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>>42097503
Especially since we have a habit of lurking underwater to pounce on unsuspecting wolfus.
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>>42097503
He was making a pokemon analogy, anon.
Honestly now.
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>>42097507
Nope Alleydodger's posting the story on Spacebattles....and it's still faster than Harpy quest!
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>>42097523
I got the reference, I just don't see the point.
I am a dense anon.
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>>42097507
>Is it not on 4chan?
Its on SB.
Not a quest either afaik, though I'm not familiar with how SB does things.
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>>42097427
That looks so fucking dirty.
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>>42097507
When are you gonna make the move to 8-chan?
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>>42097536
I've been comparing the RE: Monster quests to pokemon since they started, I find it greatly amusing, especially since its often accurate.
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>>42097507
It's a story on SpaceBattles, not a quest.
forums.spacebattles.com/threads/352549/
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>>42097541
>Not a quest either afaik, though I'm not familiar with how SB does things.
it's in the creative writing forum, Quests are in a separate one
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>>42097507
Thanks for running
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>>42097507

I think someone was running something with a protagonist who was like, half-nightmare or something else ridiculous like that. Got pretty squicky from the bit and bridle obsession some players had.
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>>42097534
>>42097541
>>42097600
I'll have to take a look, then, thanks!

>>42097617
Thanks for playing! looking forwards to your next thread!
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>>42097597
We even have a full team here.
Lyra: Bug/Steel
Jin: Flying/Fire
Sheszka: Ice/Fire (Or just Ice with Fire-type attacks)
Nin: Bug/Poison
Ezzy: Poison (Will evolve into Poison/Fighting it seems)
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>>42097716
>Sheszka: Ice/Fighting (with Flamethrower)
FTFY
also I found a set of armor Lyra should totally make at some point for some uppity noble.
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>>42097716
Lyra isn't bug type dude, she's metal fire
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>>42097188
>even as it bends your spear
Even in a fight with non-monster people the spear gives in. We really need a better one.
We need to ask the Duke from what their weapons are made.
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>>42097678
Can silk, cloth, and other organic materials be enchanted?
Is there an Arachne evolution that allows weaving enchantments into silk?

Would learning that she could weave mana, the stuff of magic itself, into a dress, make Elle get off her spiderbutt and beg mom for training so she can get that evolution?

Would Elle then hunt down Lyra and Aria so that she can force them into her two greatest dresses, and make them fight each other to further her plans to create the ultimate dress?
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>>42097758
>Lyra isn't bug type dude, she's metal fire
Nah, she is clearly Bug/Steel, she is still primarily a giant spider and covered in chitin.
So she is definitly Bug/Steel
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>>42097761
In the spears defense, we did lift it from a statue. we might just need to alloy it, because if I remember correctly we already removed the impurities.
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>>42097773
>make Elle get off her spiderbutt and beg mom for training so she can get that evolution?
Mom isn't around Elle anymore, and Elle is very close to evolving already. She might do it before the Twins even.
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>>42097799
>In the spears defense, we did lift it from a statue. we might just need to alloy it
If we reforge the metal and make it into a alloy, at that point we might as well make a new spear.
Because we are basically making a new spear just artificially restricting ourselves in material.
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>>42097799
>we might just need to alloy it
What is it with anons and using terms completly wrong today?
You can't "alloy" the spear. Unless you mean using magic to somehow transform it into a different material.
Its already a alloy most likely anyway, because I'm pretty sure its steel.
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>>42097600
oh, that is a shame
quests on spacebattles are way better than on 4chan
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>>42097874
I mean have a quest run on it.
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>>42097866
>Unless you mean using magic to somehow transform it into a different material.
To be fair, we could probably do that, not transform into a different alloy directly, but take the spear and melt it down and make it into a different alloy with some more material.
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>>42097866

We removed all of the impurities from the metal. There is nothing saying that we can't introduce new impurities that make the weapon stronger.
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>>42097427
that isn't bdsm at all
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>>42097890
>We removed all of the impurities from the metal.
That means nothing?
It takes a bit more to make a alloy than just mixing in some bits of a different element.

Mind, Lyra could do that, but again, at that point its the same as making a new spear just with a restriction in the materials for the alloy. Which is pointless.
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>>42097383
Who won?
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>>42097192
I like how we've just decided that Lyra dresses like Satsuki
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>>42097921
Shannon got "a point", because a 71 is in fact noticably below average in a best of three system.
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>>42097866
my mistake with the language(I thought alloy was also a verb?), my intent was more "turn it into an alloy/experiment to make it into a stronger alloy using material we can buy"
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>>42097947

You used it correctly. Anon is just being strange and ill-tempered. Just stop responding to him and we'll deal with this when it comes up in the story.
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>>42097913
impurity removal is a pretty big deal when you don't have advanced modern tech to forge with.
alloys are a step more advanced than that
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>>42097947
>turn it into an alloy
Turning it into a alloy would require melting it, which I'm pretty sure would destroy the enchantments, and is basically the same as making a new spear using the material from the old one.
Which isn't a great idea until we have found out what materials are available in the setting to make our new spear from.
Magic metals are a thing here, afterall.

>>42097975
>You used it correctly.
No he didn't, you don't need to coddle him and I'm not being ill-tempered.
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>>42098001
...Wat?

You realise alloys have been made since basically forever?
Like, making alloys and removing impurities is something humans have figured out since over 5000years ago.
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>>42097913
>>42098009
funny I was actually just about to bring your point up.
I don't really see how using the old spear is much of a restriction, as long as it's mostly iron it should be fine, cheaper in fact because we can buy crap ore and make it usable. this also depends on if fictional metals also exist, but that is assuming they exist and we have access.
http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/alloy_2
it is in-fact the correct usage.
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>>42097927
that was actually something an anon said she was wearing at the time; usually, I assume she wears a tunic
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>>42098009
Bronze, you know, that alloy that was in use on a large scale waaayy before iron.
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>>42098038
>this also depends on if fictional metals also exist,
We know for a fact they exist, we asked REQM.

And no it wasn't, because he said to "alloy the spear" you can't alloy a spear, you can alloy the steel the spear is made of.
Thats completly different because to do so you have to melt it down, ergo, make it not a spear anymore.
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>>42098074
I'm pretty sure you're quoting the wrong anon.

>>42098038
>as long as it's mostly iron it should be fine
Its not because better materials than iron exist in this fantasy setting.
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>>42098009
you realise "alloy" is a verb, right? look it up.
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>>42097927
Now can we get Aria to dress like Ryuko with Sanketsu?
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>>42098026
Not all alloys are created equal
and while impurity removal has been part of the process since forever, it doesn't mean they were GOOD at it until modern tech.

Also, I WAS NOT REFERRING TO FUCKING HISTORICAL TIMELINES OF PROCESS INVENTION
I was talking about the importance to the quality of the item you produce, as well as order of operations/prerequisites.
If your material is of low purity, then trying to alloy it will end poorly.
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>>42098108
>you realise "alloy" is a verb, right? look it up.
I'm perfectly aware alloy is a verb, that has nothing to do with anything?
I never said he was wrong with using it as verb, that was his own, mistaken, assumptiom.
He was wrong in saying to "alloy the spear" which is not a thing. You alloy a material, by which is meant to make it into a alloy.
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>>42097946
Must be some amazing legendary warrior type to beat a tier 4 arachne on a 71
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It is bizarre to see what anons will get in a argument about sometimes. Anyway, page 10 warning for those still bickering.
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>>42098136
Perfect because they're both worst girl
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>>42098143
Mah bad bro, no harm no foul amirite?
Also, has this been archived yet?
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>>42098137
>it doesn't mean they were GOOD at it until modern tech
They were pretty fucking good at it, actually.
You'd be surprised. Its only a matter of heat, which already real people figured out millenia ago, with magic the possibilities are even bigger.

>If your material is of low purity, then trying to alloy it will end poorly.
Yes, which is a thing people have known for millenia, which is why they have been removing impurities for just as long, with increasingly great success.
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>>42098102
Yep I was, and I was operating under the assumption of "mundane" materials

>>42098143
I think that is a bit nit-picky? yes it is technically incorrect, but also correct, melting down a spear, alloying the metal, and then turning it back into a spear is alloying the spear. because English is a lovely slut of a language.
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>>42098075
>Thats completly different because to do so you have to melt it down, ergo, make it not a spear anymore.
I see no reason why we must assume that melting it down is the only option that will available to a Hearthbound Tyrant Arachne.

The way she reshaped her spear the first time didn't exactly make sense; unless I'm misremembering, it didn't drip or anything while she was reshaping it. It's a magical setting.

Regardless, the next step in regards to dealing with Lyra's spear situation is probably to talk to Herb (and I guess Stefan) while we're all still in the city.
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>>42098144
it was a spar, 2v1, and she needed to get lucky.
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>>42098144
It's almost as if shannon is one of the strongest figters in one of the world's biggest cities, Lyra is pretty damn inexperienced and a 71 is a below average roll.
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>>42098170
Perhaps I will. I would need a lot of info on her appearance, though, because I don't like to go in blind. Also, pic related.
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>>42098186
I second this, ever heard of Damascus Steel? That shit was tight and cray
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>>42098223
>I think that is a bit nit-picky? yes it is technically incorrect, but also correct, melting down a spear, alloying the metal, and then turning it back into a spear is alloying the spear.
Which is what I explained to him several times, yes. Thats a thing we could do, but then its the same as just making a new spear, just that we save some money on material.
Which would only make sense if we woulkdn't have access to different material, which we now do.
Yes, it was nitpicky, but I also hadn't intended it to become such a argument, because my problem seemed clearly phrased to me.

>>42098225
>I see no reason why we must assume that melting it down is the only option that will available to a Hearthbound Tyrant Arachne.
>>42098225
>I see no reason why we must assume that melting it down is the only option that will available to a Hearthbound Tyrant Arachne.

>>42098225
>I see no reason why we must assume that melting it down is the only option that will available to a Hearthbound Tyrant Arachne.
Because you need to melt it to make a alloy.
Thats how it works.
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>>42098288
_WE_ need to melt it. Because that is how it works in the real world, because we have no other way to do it, because we do not have magic and blessings and such.
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>>42098144
She scored a technical point in a friendly, slightly more invested, spar.
Thats far from a real fight, Lyra has to hold back to not kill a lot more than they do.

And well, there gotta be some human adventurers who aren't pushovers. I wouldn't be surprised to find someone who can take Lyra 1v1, she is pretty highly evolved, but humans can have very high job level too.
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>>42098247
From my perspective as the anon who did the first lyra satsuki drawfaggery, I'm gonna say it's a bad idea. The meme stops being dank after the first hour.
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>>42098333
Alright bro, drawfags gotta stick together.
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>>42098326
we are also quite young, so we may be quite a bit behind when it comes to experience.
Mother could probably still beat us handily.
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>>42098320
>_WE_ need to melt it. Because that is how it works in the real world, because we have no other way to do it, because we do not have magic and blessings and such.
Lyra does too, she always melts her metal, her metalshaping is and has always been melting flavoured.
She is blessed by the God fo the Fiorge not the God of Alchemy.
She doesn't spontanously convert one metal into another, so she needs to melt the metals down so they can form new molecules like anyone else.
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>>42098245
You must be new to tg dice if you think 71 is below average
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>>42098186
>You'd be surprised. Its only a matter of heat which already real people figured out millenia ago
"all" he says, you need very hot temperatures which were not readily available to ancient people, as well as having the right materials to react with, also, you argued people were making "alloys" for a very long time which is clearly referring to bronze rather than steel, which has a different process.

you do realize that ancient people could not produce the temperatures of modern industrial processes?

>Yes, which is a thing people have known for millenia
Which was what I was saying
>which is why they have been removing impurities for just as long, with increasingly great success.
if by that you mean really shitty success rate before modern tech. also, thank you for admitting I am right and you were wrong about the whole "hurr durr we don't need pure metals, just alloy them"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessemer_process
explicitly explains that the key process is removal of impurities!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel#History_of_steelmaking
explains ancient steel and how bad it was compared to modern steel
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>>42098186
>with magic the possibilities are even bigger.
How is this an argument against a guy who says that it is extremely valuable for MC to be able to get extreme purity via magic?
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>>42098288
>Which is what I explained to him several times, yes.
there are more than one anon in the conversation you nitwit. no wonder your posts are so nonsensical.
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>>42098448
>you need very hot temperatures which were not readily available to ancient people
Sure, it took them a while, but they had time. They still managed it.

>you argued people were making "alloys" for a very long time which is clearly referring to bronze rather than steel
Yes I was, I have no idea what you're trying to get at with this.

>you do realize that ancient people could not produce the temperatures of modern industrial processes?
You do realise that alloys can be made and impurities removed with temperatures far lower than whats available to modern industries?
There is only so much temperature you need, higher temperature doesn't make limitless more pure, at some point you have burned all the other elements out, and that point is significantly lower than you seem to think.

>>42098448
>"hurr durr we don't need pure metals, just alloy them"
I literally never said anything remotly resembling that statement, maybe you had fallen asleep and dreamed about it, because I'm flabbergasted by this.
No one in this entire conversation ever said we don't need pure metalls or anything like it, so I don't even understand who you could mistake me for.
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>>42098508
Everyone can read the same posts, so if I and others explain something several times, it got explained several tiems to everyone.
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Why are you people still bitching about the technicalities of metallurgy that will absolutely never be explored in the quest?
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>>42098575
Because people have a problem admitting being wrong on the internet and then try moving goalposts until they can pretend to themselves they were still somehow right.
Even if it requires making up completly new conversations that never happened.
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>>42098529
>Sure, it took them a while
No, it didn't take them a while, it just didn't happen.
They simply could not ever achieve the purity a modern process can.
The notion that you can just do it longer to get the same result is flat out wrong.

>Yes I was, I have no idea what you're trying to get at with this.

>You do realise that alloys can be made and impurities removed with temperatures far lower than whats available to modern industries?
Hurr durr. Its almost like I explicitly said so. What I argued is that they will be SHITTY QUALITY compared to modern alloys.
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the Argument is stupid when annon said melt down the spear they're talking about scraping it.
so while we need to get the spear molten in order to alloy it, it;s not that same as melting down the spear(mainly due to Lyra's Metal control and forge blessing).
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>>42098494
>How is this an argument against a guy who says that it is extremely valuable for MC to be able to get extreme purity via magic?
No one ever said it isn't valuable, at all.
The argument was about making alloys with magic. Not removing impurities with magic which is something completly different.

>>42098616
>What I argued is that they will be SHITTY QUALITY compared to modern alloys.
Wait. So your problem is that you don't know what a alloy is then?
Because a alloy is NOT a pure metal. A alloy is a composition of DIFFERENT metals, and that result can be pure or impure completly regardless of that.

>The notion that you can just do it longer to get the same result is flat out wrong.
They worked on increasingly improved ovens, which over time allowed them to achieve the heat necessary to remove all impurities, yes over time thy got better at making better ovens.

>Hurr durr. Its almost like I explicitly said so.
No you didn't, you said the exact opposite,
>They simply could not ever achieve the purity a modern process can.
Right here. And that is factually wrong, because only so much temperature is needed, and that was available long before the modern times in many cases.
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>>42098616
>They simply could not ever achieve the purity a modern process can.

>Hurr durr. Its almost like I explicitly said so.

I love how you probably don't even see how you contradicted yourself in the same post. First allegedly you said they can achieve the same heat, and then they can't. Maybe you should make up your mind.
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So, if we make a sword using Lyra's metal-bending and then quench it in a pit of her acid, would that give the sword special qualities? (Envenom with every hit)
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>>42098702
>The argument was about making alloys with magic. Not removing impurities with magic which is something completly different.
There were different arguments running in parallel, none of which was about making alloys with magic

The first argument was about reforging our spear
The second argument was about the history of steelmaking tech IRL

You replied to someone who was exclusively in the second argument and never said anything about the first argument. you just assumed he was because you were assuming all anons are the same person as well as not paying attention to the quote chain
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>>42098616
You suffer under the mistaken assumption complete purity is automatically better.
Thats is wrong.
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>>42098702
>>What I argued is that they will be SHITTY QUALITY compared to modern alloys.
>Wait. So your problem is that you don't know what a alloy is then?
>Because a alloy is NOT a pure metal. A alloy is a composition of DIFFERENT metals, and that result can be pure or impure completly regardless of that.
Cute, also you are a retard
An alloy is a composition of different materials (not all of which are metals, carbon isn't a metal).
A SHITTY alloy is full of impurities. A high quality alloy is made of ONLY the things that NEED to be in it.
This is why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessemer_process
>The key principle is removal of impurities from the iron by oxidation with air being blown through the molten iron.
>The oxidation process removes and skims off impurities such as silicon, manganese, and carbon in the form of oxides.

Impurities in the metal is removed, and it is then alloyed with the correct materials to produce the high quality alloy you want. If you didn't remove those impurities from the iron then your steel (alloy) would be full of silicon and manganese and improper amounts of carbon which would make it extremely shitty quality steel
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>>42098758
>none of which was about making alloys with magic

> we might just need to alloy it
>>42098225

Maybe you should just try and learn to read?

The history of metalforging was a tnagent to the actual conversation about remaking our spear in as a different alloy.
Uponj which some autistic retard tried to argue that impurity removal is some magic super special thing ancient people were not capable of.
Even worse, he tried to argue it a big deal in a fantasy setting where magic is available. >>42098001
But he was completly missing the point of the conversation and only drowned the rest out a bit with his sheer density and retardation.
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>>42098746
assuming the venom is more of a magical property( that is transferable), and not a magically enhanced or mundane venom that can be denatured/rendered inert with use/several other problems relating to dose . then yes, probably, maybe. I hope.
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>>42098814
>A SHITTY alloy is full of impurities
Which is why you remove the impurities, which is a thing ancient people could do and did.
I still don't see what your argument is supposed to be then.
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>>42098814
>A SHITTY alloy is full of impurities. A high quality alloy is made of ONLY the things that NEED to be in it.
I love how you move the goalpost from
>impurity removal is a pretty big deal when you don't have advanced modern tech to forge with.
>alloys are a step more advanced than that
To
>B-but they weren't as good in it as modern people

No fucking shit you retard, but thats not necessary at all, and thats assuming they aren't as good at it, which they could easily be by using magic.
So how about you just stop your pathetic backpadeling and just shut up?
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>>42098702
>>42098728
All the facepalms
It is not a contradiction you retards

>They simply could not ever achieve the purity a modern process can.
This line explicitly states that
1. it is possible to produce steel from impure iron
2. said iron is low quality due to silicone and manganese inclusions
>Hurr durr. Its almost like I explicitly said so. What I argued is that they will be SHITTY QUALITY compared to modern alloys.
This line explicitly states that
1. it is possible to produce steel from impure iron
2. said iron is low quality due to silicone and manganese inclusions

I was replying to an anon that explicitly accused me of saying that iron that contains impurities CANNOT be used to produce an alloy AT ALL. Even though I was explicitly arguing that it can be used to make an alloy, it will just be BAD
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>>42098879
>Doing with magic and almost no knowledge of metallurgy what people with PhD and specialized equipment have difficulty to do
top wew, next we'll reinvent greek fire
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This is fun to watch, all I want to know is if one of you is the guy who started this (which for ease of identity, is the anon who decided "alloy it" was not nearly specific enough for his taste.)
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>>42098838
>Which is why you remove the impurities, which is a thing ancient people could do and did.
Impurities is not an on off switch
Impurity removal is a sliding scale of % removed.
Removing 20% of silicone impurity from your iron produces lower quality than removing 50%, produces lower quality than removing 80%, produces lower quality than removing 99.99%

Did ancient people have A technology capable of removing SOME impurities? Yes
Was that technology as good as modern tech (able to remove 99.9% impurities) NO!

this is why, when ancient people removed impurities from their iron and forged their steel, their results were vastly inferior to what you can get out of a modern tech Bessemer foundry
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>>42098910
Considering its magic that is specifically for that purpose. Yes, actually we easily can.
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Dumb arguments aside, it was a fun thread anons. Take care until the next!
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>>42098932
>Magic gives you free knowledge
nice joke, tell me how magic will allow us to make greek fire whose recipe was lost to the age or a steel alloy we don't know the composition or desired property.
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>>42098923
>Did ancient people have A technology capable of removing SOME impurities? Yes
>Was that technology as good as modern tech (able to remove 99.9% impurities) NO!
Good thing then that impurites in the steel for weapon and armour making ceases to matter for the usability of the material long before 99,9%.

And again, thats assuming the people in this setting can't use magic to achieve such results. Considering there is a God of the Forge around, I would not bet on their inability.
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>>42098980
>Magic gives you free knowledge
Maybe you should think about what you just wrote, facepalm, and then go to bed.
Because Lyra HAS gotten free knowledge from magic. A entire language among other things.
So yes, magic can give free knowledge.
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>>42098980
Lyra is literally Blessed by the God of Metallurgy
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>>42098980
the thing is, knowing an ancient recipe for something is pointless if you find an equally useful or superior alternative. we may not rediscover greek fire, but if we make napalm in our attempt it doesn't matter.
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>>42098879
I love how you completely ignore the context of
>impurity removal is a pretty big deal when you don't have advanced modern tech to forge with.
>alloys are a step more advanced than that
being a direct reply to
>>42097913
>>We removed all of the impurities from the metal.
>That means nothing?
which states impurity removal means NOTHING!

>>B-but they weren't as good in it as modern people
>No fucking shit you retard, but thats not necessary at all, and thats assuming they aren't as good at it
I didn't move any goal posts; my original statement was an explicit reply to "removing impurities mean nothing" and was referring to the most basic of the basic of forging. Specifically the comparing highly impure iron to more pure iron. Steel is more advanced than that (although it still requires impurity removal)

since you want to discuss goal post moving,
My statement that ancient people were not as good at removing impurities and forging alloys was answering a completely different argument such as
>>42098529
>You do realise that alloys can be made and impurities removed with temperatures far lower than whats available to modern industries?
>There is only so much temperature you need, higher temperature doesn't make limitless more pure, at some point you have burned all the other elements out, and that point is significantly lower than you seem to think.
>>42098186
>They were pretty fucking good at it, actually.
>You'd be surprised. Its only a matter of heat, which already real people figured out millenia ago
>Yes, which is a thing people have known for millenia, which is why they have been removing impurities for just as long, with increasingly great success.
Suddenly the goalpost changed from "removing impurity means nothing" to "b-but you can make steel from impure alloy" and "for THOUSANDS OF YEARS humans were able to remove impurities from iron with "great succeess" at temperatures "far lower" than modern tech."
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>>42099160
>which states impurity removal means NOTHING!
Are you really this dumb? That comment was in the context of someone claiming being able to remove impurities with magic, means Lyra automatically would be capable of making alloys by hand the same way.

Fuck are you stupid.
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>>42099160
>which states impurity removal means NOTHING!
No it doesn't, and if you had a slightest bit of reading comprehension, you would maybe read the reply chain this statement was part of and realise it has nothing to do with how important impurity removal is for mettallurgy.
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>>42099160
>"for THOUSANDS OF YEARS humans were able to remove impurities from iron with "great succeess" at temperatures "far lower" than modern tech."
All of these statements are true. Though no one except you referred it specifically to iron, since removing impurities from other metals was important too, that would be technically not for a multiple of thousand years, only slightly more than a thousand years afaik.
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>>42098981
>Good thing then that impurites in the steel for weapon and armour making ceases to matter for the usability of the material long before 99,9%.
citation needed

>And again, thats assuming the people in this setting can't use magic
No, that is A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ARGUMENT WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANON! (or probably more than one anon)
I literally never said a single word on the argument about magic forging in the setting of the quest.
My argument was 100% about forging IRL. Of which I had 2 completely different argument.
The first was an explicit reply to "removing impurities mean nothing" stating it is extremely important for forging iron and a step before you can even think of making steel

>>42099262
citation needed
impurity removal from metals was very primitive for the vast majority of that timeframe

>>42099216
>>42099232
>you have no reading comprehension
that is one of the most ironic things I have ever heard.
Pot, kettle, black.
I will admit that in that specific post I missed the context, simply because I didn't follow the quote chain.
my bad.

However, you have been doing the same thing. Not to mention tying completely unrelated arguments together even though they have nothing to do with each other (one of you even ADMITTED they are unrelated arguments by accusing me of goalpost shifting; aka clearly stating that they are different arguments)
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>>42099042
>implying a blessing gives you all the knowledge about a subject
Shit that didn't happen.jpg

>>42099057
>Stumbling by mistake on a mixture that require several agents no readily available in the period of time the setting has shown thus far
>Argument has nothing to do with magic anyways
You wouldn't know what napalm was if you held it in your hand
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>>42099312
>impurity removal from metals was very primitive for the vast majority of that timeframe
But it happened, and was good enough to produce steel, which I would consider a pretty huge success.
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>>42099384
>But it happened
see >>42098923
see >>42098880
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>>42099314
>knowing an ancient recipe for something is pointless if you find an equally useful or superior alternative.

It was an analogy, napalm was magic.
fucking hell, the anons point was you don't need a specific thing if you have an equally viable alternative.
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>>42099411
Impuritiesn were still removed, not all, but his statement wasn't "Ancient people removed all impurities".
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>>42099414
>>42099314
my mistake, I should have said metaphor instead of analogy.



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