>>46474650

OP said he's going to consolidate the Fluff.
Well, we are not as worse-off as the Sanguine Shields, considering that they didn't archived their shit.

But we more or less have them fleshed out. So I will ask the crucial question. What role do you want the Golden Spectres to play in Sector Vasenica?

>>46474883
Were the threads for the Vasenica sector archived?

So is your lore a bit more messy than the Death Consuls?

>>46474978
Kind of, there is a lot, it just needs to be added to the wiki.

>>46474650
Shady's back, tell a friend

>>46475448
New chapter theme song?

>>46475825

Well, actually I think they are fluffed up enough. So if anyone want to write sum writefaggotry about how they rape/were raped by Chaos/Orks/Eldar/DEldar/Necrons/Tyranids, it would be swell.

>>46476140
Didn't I write something about force commander F realizing that he had been hoodwinked by someone into decimating his legion against the tyranids?

>>46476202

Yeah but I am asking if anyone has anymore stuff to contribute, especially if it is in regards to Vasenica (Assuming that shit is still floating around)

>>46476278
that shit has it's own page. Personally I am tired of making bel'aslyn threads and would rather fluff it out in the vasenica threads

>>46476289

Or do you want to fluff out the other factions? I haven't heard anythin' from the orks, DEldar etc

>>46476375
The dark eldar barely got fluffed out. And I think I did a good job on the bel'aslyn for the most part

>>46476375
I repeat my earlier question, were the previous vasenica threads archived?
If not, just links to the threads will do, it hasn't been too long, you can still archive them.

>>46476375
Ork threads don't seem to last very long...

SO, I guess we are joining Vasenica huh? Original OP, but I won't take the helm oof this thread. I didn't make it, and I honestly have gotten a bit busy lately. I'll be here though, writefagging after I consolidate our fluff here... may be today or may not be until this weekend. Just an update.

Also suggesting someone needs to write for the battle that has made them endangered, when half the chapter triggered and turned on the other half?

>>46476408
>>46476408
>>Digged it up
>>46312006
>>46326422
>>46348741

>>Current thread
>>46475622

what's our homeworld name, actually?
I've seen people call it Skaldi, but the wiki says Rừngẩn.

Friendly bump.

>>46476612
Anyone?

>>46479829
Pretty sure its Rừngẩn

>>46480013
Shouldn't we atleast change it to Rungan then? That spelling isn't really adding anything.

>>46480096
Sure, feel free to change it. I don't think that matters so much

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>>46480107
Alright, done.

Here's the map of the Vasenica sector. Where do we want Rungan to be located?

Does Vasenica still need dark eldar? We're working on a kabal over here: >>46476693

>>46480362
I don't think they have any Dark Eldar... how's that going btw? Also why are you asking the Golden Spectres you filthy xeno?

>>46480469
I just saw vasenica mentioned. Do they have a thread up? If so I'll go there.

>>46476478
The link is in thiss post

>>46480513
Thanks.

Speaking of Vasenica, has anyone suggested the Golden Spectres be included yet?

>>46480526
Yes, they are included, that's why we're discussing it here.

>>46480572
Gotcha I just wanted to make sure. Sooo... anyone want to take on the challenge of writefagging what I am going to call, 'The Night of 100 broken bonds' or some shit when half the chapter triggered and opened fire on the other half?

Since we are in the Vasenica Sector, and they have been mentioned in our threads before and are also in the sector, what is our relationship with the Death Consuls?

>>46480829
They're rather brutal. Are the Death Consuls openly Night Lords successors?

>>46480886
its kind of a shameful secret. Basically they are engaged in a shadow war with this kabal, and are loosely allied with Bel'Aslyn

>>46480991
Which kabal?

>>46481005
the one being made now. They hate CWE and everything.

>>46480991
THEY WOULD ALLY THEMSELVES WITH THE ACCURSED XENOS?

Actually we hate chaos more... what would they think about the good ole sneaky spectres?

>>46481020
Awesome. We're talking about raiding Vasenica for slaves to fight in our arena, and I'm sure astartes make excellent gladiators.

>>46481039
nah, we changed that remember?
Our planetary regiments both rolled up Dark eldar enemies so we adjusted that.

I even typed out the Markus's oath and the story of the captain of the 1st company

>>46481093
oh... guess I'm out of the loop then. I imagine as we are in a sector cut off from the Imperium and both hate DE we at least are amiable to eachother? Sons of Dorn or no?

>>46481086
>they come for our astartes
>they leave their skins behind

>>46481134
I was talking about the death consuls. I know jackshit about the gs and only wrote the story about the jungle ambush

>>46481163
Oh well GS hate Chaos marines, particularly the Iron warriors, due to their wish to be accepted by the Imp fists as Succesors

>>46481138
>implying the kabal of the withering blades is capable of failure

>>46481212
>delusional leader
>attacks the same target over and over.
its literally mmo npc tier

>>46481311
>own an arena to get that sweet sweet gladiator money
>live by the port to get first pick on all the best slaves
Get withered

bump

Bumping

bob

bib

>>46480241
Let's put it in the contested zone in between Dhatri and Schwarz Convictus but towards the imperial space.

>>46489643
Sure, being in the contested zone would certainly make things interesting. Quick, someone suggest it on the Vasenica thread

I thought Rungan was an airless ultra-cold death world?

>>46490891
It's a frozen ocean world with dug in fortresses, buried beneath the ice. There was underground jungles, but I don't know if people still what that

>>46491077
Nah man if I recall, the Jungle Death World 'Tet'? is what the chapter uses for its recruitment and initiation processes. THey have agriculture and gnox farms underground to keep themselves self-sufficient (And to feed the chapter serfs and visitors)

>>46491182
>tet
Yeah, that stuff stands, but it was like 4 threads ago that under ice pocket biomes were discussed. It's whatever though

>>46489780
Anyone do it?

>>46481163
Writefaggotry about Spectres and consuls working together when

>>46493479
Actually, now that you mention it, what's our fluff in the sector?

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>>46474650
Why do we want the emblem changed? I think it's good the way it is, adding s candle would make it too busy

>>46491182
From what I remember the homeworld is an Icy death world with subterranean jungles.

>>46494615
We want to replace the eye with a candle, because the current symbol is a Hamsa, which is a religious symbol used in the Middle East and Northern Africa.
That does not fit the chapter, at all.

>>46495599
Both what you say about the homewowrld as well as the stuff about the Chapter badge is correct

>>46497566
I don't know, if someone else wants to pull the trigger on it, go ahead, but I don't want to bite the hand that feeds

>>46498079
Not much of an artist myself. And I'm not sure where the person who got it done got it from.

>>46499267
Drawthread

So this shit is dumb.

Why not drop the dumb Alpha Legion shit and just have them be divergent Successors?

>>46499407
Because they have the 'sleeper agent' chapter thing going on?
Because the guerilla tactics work for a cross between the AL and the IF?

1d4chan page needs a looot of work, guys

Hey guys, I know this is a shitty thing to bring up, but why don't we just keep it simple and have these guys be yellow with green pauldrons or green helmet

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>>46499823
Something like this

>>46499512
Yes. But that's dumb.

Why would the AL make a chapter so obviously not truly loyalist?

I've said it a thousand times, in well reasoned argument no less, but at this point folks are being stupid by choice.

>>46499902
Hideous. Piss Marine colours

>>46500222
It's literally the Imperial fists yellow

>>46500209
Can't you just stay fucked off for a change

>>46500209
But they are loyalists, so idk what you're talking about.
Also, I don't see why you keep trying to get us to change it.
You have made your points and we disagree, so just let it go.

>>46499902
Don't like it. The scheme has already been decided on and I for one am not interested in discussing it for the tenth time.

>>46500326
>Don't like it
I don't like the one we have now, Mr. Jobs. That one could use some work, but the one we have now is shit

>>46500401
Fair enough. You might be right.
I would like to see a nicer shade of gold and some different colored details, like the eagle, the skull and the wiring.

But this should be the absolute last time the color scheme is discussed, it's getting rather rediculous at this point.

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>>46499902
>>46500401
>>46500498

>>46500787
Thats... pretty good. Simple, nice colors, plenty of gold. Maybe one without the cape?

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>>46500787
Thank you Doctor jobs, real nice job on the colors. If I ever complain in the future please just report my ass and be done with it.

Are we still keeping the field paint, or is that fully being replaced by stealth cloaks. I figured they'd just use both

>>46502257
I think we're sticking to straight up camo + cloaks.

>>46502257
The cloaks have adaptive camo. Think octocamo from MGS4.

>>46500280
No. Not until the Piss Ghosts are fixed.

>>46500326
I'll break it down for ya namefag.

The Golden Spectres have five major elements in their design

>Imperial Fist Successor
>Alpha Legion Sleeper Agents
>Guerilla tactics
>"subtle" Vietnamese influences
>God Awful paint scheme

Literally all it takes is for anyone one thing to be changed. Except for paintscheme, at this point I think it should be canon that they are completely without style or taste.

But all you have to do is make them "Raven Guard" and everything works great.

All you have to do is drop guerilla tactics and they work much better as sleeper agents.

Drop sleeper agents and can go crazy with their culture and pretty much everything else because they don't have to try and fit in.

The problem is that a good sleeper agent is innocuous. These guys are the antithesis of an Imperial Fist and thus do not make good sleeper agents, and I doubt that the Alpha Legion would make such a suspicious cell. With a unit composition consisting of literal cells. While probably not as fun, an Alpha Legion Sleeper chapter would be bland as fuck and ultimately unnoticeable via having done absolutely nothing noteworthy.

However if they have legitimate ties to the Imperium and their Progenitor chapter, there's practically no logical limits on fluff, since there's nothing to prove. Companies can be called Cabals and the Chapter Master can be called a Naga Wrangler and every third Sunday they can all play Sector Wide laser tag using chapter serfs and meat Shields and in the end nothing matters because they don't have a cover to subconsciously maintain, and their status won't really change because they are legitimate.

Now I'm not saying that you're trying to make the most Vietnamese things ever, I'm pretty sure it's been agreed to lay it on light with the cultural influences, but I'm saying that the whole sleeper agent thing limits what you can do reasonably do without looking like clueless idiots.

>>46503314
Ok, time to poke a few holes in your argeument that you still have not fixed

1.As different as the many chapters are, a completely bland chapter would be more suspicious, besides a space marine chapter that has never done anything? That should raise a red flag

2.You are suggesting that 1-The Alpha Legion are ALWAYS competent and NEVER make mistakes, something we know FOR A FACT is not true, 2-That a chapter that is even slightly different from other Imperial Fists succesors is immediately 'OH SHIT TRAITORS MUREDER EM ALLL!!!', and that all cannon space marine chapters are extremely similar to their progenitor

3.We JUST GOT a much better color scheme

4.How is being more stealthy an immediate red flag? Considering the fact that being stealthy is not a Raven Guard only thing, I don't see why that is causing you such problems

5.Why would we take away that they believe they need to prove themselves, it gives them motivation

>>46503583
>.As different as the many chapters are, a completely bland chapter would be more suspicious
By bland I mean...kinda generic. Like the Ultramarines or Sons of Dorn. The greatest distinguishing feature they have is being good at their job.

>besides a space marine chapter that has never done anything? That should raise a red flag
The Spectres aren't the oldest chapter around. By "nothing" I meant not doing anything of First Founding calibre, like repelling a whole hive fleet, or blowing up a World Engine. A fledgling chapter that's greatest claim to fame is exterminating a minor xenos species isn't that noteworthy.

>You are suggesting that 1-The Alpha Legion are ALWAYS competent and NEVER make mistakes, something we know FOR A FACT is not true,
Don't put words in my mouth. I said that they are at the very least competent. Sure they make mistakes like any intelligence operation, but why the fuck would they set themselves up for failure like that?

Even with that statement you're admitting that the Spectres are a strategic fuck up.

>>46503583
>2-That a chapter that is even slightly different from other Imperial Fists succesors is immediately 'OH SHIT TRAITORS MUREDER EM ALLL!!!', and that all cannon space marine chapters are extremely similar to their progenitor
>Slightly

They're Vietcong Icemen/jungle fighters with a no shit cell structure. The Imperial Fists are stuffy English knuckleheads.
>Slightly
No.

Besides, it's not that they are going to be Exterminatus'd on the spot, but again, why would the AL make their job harder with fostering mistrust via a incongruous chapter?

>3.We JUST GOT a much better color scheme
Lmao where is it

>4.How is being more stealthy an immediate red flag?
Do you not know what an Imperial Fist is? Pretty much every Dornish chapter is going to call these guys pussies.

>Considering the fact that being stealthy is not a Raven Guard only thing,
But it's much easier to justify without changing a lot.

>>46504054
Well, you do bring up interesting possibilities... for another chapter, or possibly your own.

This chapter is a community work, and all the ideas have been but forward by the collective. You appear to be the only one with thse opinions, or at least the only one who seems to follow these threads around, call us shit, and then try to force your own ideas on us

You don't have bad ideas, but your the only one who seems to think yours are better than ours.

Thank you for your input, but we are contining in our direction. please, contribute or stop shitposting and stopping arguements

>>46504054
I think there are several tiny little details you need to keep in mind however.

First off, they are an 8th founding chapter. That means they have been around for about 7000 years.
They are also located in a backwater sector.
That leaves plenty of room for a chapter to develop it's own culture, divergent from the (claimed) progenitor.
I like to think that when the Spectres were founded, they were a whole lot more like Fists, albeit with some more stealthy traits.

Now give a chapter 7000 years, put them in a backwater sector, on a jungle/ice death world and add some hypnotic suggestion and things might end up looking like they do.

Have we discussed our chapter cult much? Could be a good way to give us a solid connection to the fists

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>>46505491
The only concrete thing that has been mentioned is that they hold Dorn in exceptionally high regard.
Some people have suggested portraying Dorn with multiple heads, but I'm not a fan.

>>46505491
Well we know we venerate Dorn in the extreme, often depicting him as a sort of multiheaded guru character

>>46505553
The many heads has been my suggestion but it is maleable

>>46505567
I understand where it comes from. Combining Dorn with the Alpha Legion's hydra.
The thing is though, the chapter doesn't know it's got Alpha Legion origins.

What I think we should do is, figure out homeworld culture, which then leaks into the chapter's culture.

>>46504432
Jeeze o pete what a faggy response. I'm just pointing out logical errors, bruh.

>>46504930
Sheeeiit. That certainly is an important detail.

What if the Legion slowly infiltrated the chapter, turning it from another Sons of Dorn with icy leanings to Special Operations Hunter Killer Viet Cong.

The infighting helped weaken solid Legion control, so now they are unknowingly free agents?

>>46505655
This is a solid plan.

Also the Naga/Hydra shit is dumb tho

>>46506329
A faggy response? You know what? Fuck it, I'm done arguing with you

>>46505655
Alright yea

I suggested the jungle beneath the ice be filled with constantly warring warlords, using the pillboxes and other fortifications built by the chapter as strongholds and such

>>46506329
Possibly having the Alpha legion have infiltrated them, and it is an interesting idea

AGAIN, naga's and hydra were not suggested ever

>>46506329
I think it might actually be better with the chapter originally being true Sons of Dorn.
It did kind of bother me how a bunch of marines just showed up and were given their own chapter.

Anyway, I'm gonna go to sleep. Keep it alive guys!

>>46506823
Thats fine, we originally really couldn't do that because they weren't as isolated until they got put in the Vasenica sector.

I'm ok with them being infiltrated but being true sons of Dorn.

>>46506912
It would only need to be infiltrated by a few who mess with the hypno indoctrination, fucking up the rest of them

>>46507878
We can keep the small group of impersonators then. Just have them be apothecaries

>>46508748
Nah, they should be Chaplains. All the better to manipulate the Spectres

>>46508983
True.

What's next

>>46511898
Wiki stuff, nigger

>>46506519
>>And I thought it was a jungle death world, comparable to Catachan in brutality.
>>Considering their initiation involves dumping initiates onto the said Deathworld Jungle and having them survive for a month while being hunted by a squad of space marines.
>>Or pull a Schwarzenegger and kill a marine using Brutal Kunning and get insta-accepted
>>Let's just make them literal sons of dorn in the index astates with a few kinks, namely perverse Alpha legion infiltration

>>46504930
>>46504432

I think that some cultural references are acceptable, given how fuckhuge the Imperium is and how diverse the scions of Dorn really are. Furthermore, mistrust from the more puritan Black Templars and the Sons of Dorn further amplifies the grimdarkness and makes the fluff even better as they are literally besieged from all sides.

>>I liked the idea in the previous thread though of a renegade Alpha Legion Warband fucking over the Golden Spectres when they were fighting off the Tyranids, triggering the sleepers at the crucial moment, costing them half the chapter. That will also help to explain the fluff behind 'the immortal son' a retrofitted Victory Battleship/their battle barge.

>>46513872
As far as culture is concerned, whats the status on things like the Junker behavior, Honor duels, scrimshaw? How do these guys interpret the fist's bdsm kink?

I think things like scrimshaw and duels are easily adaptable. Intricately carved skeletons frozen in ice lining a hall of glory, marines wearing the carved bones of their brothers in battle, even incorporating bone reading into their rituals.

We could just add a cultural twist on duels. Some parts of Indonesia have a ceremony before hand where they summon the spirits of their ancestors to inhabit the blade for the battle. Could adapt that to being the essence of a battle brother or emperor or dorn or whatever. If a brother dies and must either answer for a crime or someone accuses a brother on the deceased's behalf, they duel for it, invoking his spirit into their blade/weapon. If they win, he wins postmortem. Or something like that.

I'd like to make it pragmatic, but I can't think of a way

>>46514796
Well, we could pull a masochist streak in them, saying that they view any calamity happening to their chapter as punishment from Dorn/Emps (As they have lost their favor, some mumbo jumbo bullshit superstition like that.)

>Bone reading and summoning kin spirits is going too far I think.

How about the chapter has a old belief dating to their founding, that dead loyal astates are with them always, protecting them from the perils of the warp and daemonic shenanigans?

>As a result, they hold the honorable dead in high esteem, with an almost ancestral veneration and if they can, recover the dead marine's corpse and equipment.
>They also believe any loyal brother-marine left behind dead on any battlefield will cause the appearance of the 'restless dead', in which they will persecute the daemonic with extreme prejudice and haunt the living (Yes, we are linking it to the Legion of the Damned lore)

>>46514938
>>They also believe any loyal brother-marine left behind dead on any battlefield will cause the appearance of the 'restless dead', in which they will persecute the daemonic with extreme prejudice and haunt the living
Could lead to some Immortal shit where they go around collecting bodies of the dead in battle. I'd imagine they'd hate enemies who's weaponry can leave unrecoverable bodies behind especially, considering them true brother-killers or some such.

One of the mcjiggers in scrimshaw is awarding excellence with bones of your brothers. Outside of just wearing the bones of the deceased, or having them inlaid into their shit, what are some ways we can take this? No real life equivalents come to mind.

>>46515020
>Sniffing Bone powder?
>Anointing armor with bone ash?
>Mutilation? They scarred themselves and then rub their dead battle-brother's powdered bones into the wound?
>Using their bones as psychic 'oracle bones'?

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>>46515181
Could always make diamonds from their ashes, take them into battle with us

Bus seriously, I like the Anointing armor with ash, ritualistic scaring, and the oracle bones. For the whole scaring thing, maybe an extreme ritual would be to carve on the bones of a living marine? I dunno

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>>46501206
Ayy yo, if you could edit this new shit in and throw it up on the draw thread, it would be appreciated. I would, its easy as shit, but lubuntu doesn't come with an image editor, and installing anything on here scares the shit out of me

I'm gonna try and sleep. Please keep these guys alive, I would like to see them finished

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>>46506519
>A faggy response? You know what? Fuck it, I'm done arguing with you
It was faggy as hell bruh. Get over it. And so was that one.


And multi headed serpents absolutely where suggested in a previous threads.

>>46515489
I think the chapter symbol would be better as the left hand in pic related. The iconography in the current symbol is highly Mediterranean.

>>46516254
Wuz suggested by then rejected.

>Go get a drawfag if you really want that

>>46516254
The symbol is fine, it's just that the eye needs to be replaced with something else, like a flame or a skull or whatever.

>>46515020
Guys, guys, why don't we say they believe that the souls of their fallen brothers literally haunt them, like SPECTRES?

>>46517157
I thought we alrdy decided to change iris in the eye into a candle flame in the last thread.

>>46518456
Right. I just meant to say that it hasn't been reworked yet, so it's still up for discussion.
The flame was agreed upon and I think it's the best idea.

>>46517157
>souls of their fallen brothers literally haunt them, like SPECTRES?
Good point. Could believe that the bones tether them to the chapter, thus caring them around

bump

>>46514796
>junker behavior
Isn't that a real thing

>>46521696
Yeah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junker

Aren't the Fists renoun marksmen? Having snipers play a large part in the organization might work well

>>46520703

>>46522830

Shouldn't the whole Warpstorms thing in the Vasenica Sector effect these dumb little shits a lot? At least culturally

>>46528135
Isolation and self reliance, probably. Rugan has a tiny ass population, so not a lot of recruiting going on

>>46528893
We haven't discussed life for the common folk on rugan. Couldn't be more than maybe 10,000 outside of the fortress monestary

>>46530121
Probably nomadic Eskimo herders. Except scifi and worship marines

>>46531316
Why are the Spectres even Vietnamese again?

>>46533227
The culture is extremely lightly affected by vietnamese culture, like naming conventions because the planets in there solar system are indochinese. Other than that I believe we are going rathe light on the influence

>>And I thought it was a jungle death world, comparable to Catachan in brutality.
>>Considering their initiation involves dumping initiates onto the said Deathworld Jungle and having them survive for a month while being hunted by a squad of space marines.
>>Or pull a Schwarzenegger and kill a marine using Brutal Kunning and get insta-accepted
>>Let's just make them literal sons of dorn in the index astates with a few kinks, namely perverse Alpha legion infiltration
>>46522012
Scouts are saboteurs/sharpshooters/infiltrators/sappers

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>>46533227
Well, when I say eskimo, I mean that they are natives and they have to dress extremely warmly, probably in something close to a space suit with fur lining. They could herd "elemental" type creatures. Massive pachyderms with incredibly strong bones that they use for construction of their yurts and trade towns. Others could herd fire-y creatures, and there can be massive ice mines, where they carve throw the massive frozen wasteland to look for long impacted meteors that are suspended in ice

>>46534716
The problem is Rungan is a world with virtually no atmosphere and really really fucking cold. To such an extent that anything short of a Space marine in power armour can't survive outside for more than a few minutes.

>>46534830
but all my ideas!

Could live underground in bunkers and vaults, herding between the each one in their tribe's territory

>>46534855
I always thought that Rungan is a frozen hellhole with only the underground GS fortress monastery and geneseed vaults keeping it relevant and they recruit from other worlds, keeping it largely self-sufficient, using underground agri-tech. And that the GS recruit from other planets in the system like that one Jungle Death world in the previous threads.

But now you guys changed it to Jungle Biomes covered by thick ice, that I can live with.
>>46534855
But this... this is too much

>>46535081
>But this... this is too much
I'm way cool with dropping it, believe you me, but how?

>>46535081
>But now you guys changed it to Jungle Biomes covered by thick ice, that I can live with.
Dude, that was like 5 threads ago

>>46535772
>More reason for someone to consolidate the fluff so we can properly discuss this shit

>>46536461
>OP never delivered
I guess it was to be expected. I really want to crunch out the wiki, maybe try and get some art done, then call it a chapter

>>46536505
Sigh let me see if I got sum time on mah hands to properly consolidate this shit

>>46536605
Sorry for being a nigger, I'm just busy is all. I can at least contribute in what little ways I can

Hopefully this shit is up by tomorrow, I've been kicking around some ideas.

>>46537445

Bumping

>>46539797

>>46540461

>>46534830
Does it have any population outside of the monestary then?

>>46542673

>>46543475
It doesn't sound like it, but I'm all for native populations. I'm pretty sure we get our recruits almost exclusively from other worlds, and drop them on the neighboring tet.

>>46545832
why not flesh out the people of tet, then? Unless no one lives there either.

Also, don't we take our recruits from guards like the ork hunters and the catachans?

>>46546123
I'm so down for tetians

>>46545664

>>46548290

>>46550280

>>46546123
Do you want to pull a Vietcong on the people of T'et? Like maybe Vietnamese Catachans with a heavy dash of Ork Kommando?

>Inb4 this faggot
>>46504054

>>46553998
Let's take it from a pragmatic stand point. So planet comes first I guess

Bump for sleep. Let's finish these guys up!