Major Alliances -
- US & Japan (including lesser power the UK as an unsinkable aircraft carrier pointing a US provided Trident at the Franco-Russians, and US nuclear weapons stationed in Australia to do the same when it comes to China)
- China & Korea (despite US and Japanese major involvement, China came out the hero for the Korean people during and after the war, providing the most substantial and immediate aid)
- France & Russia (with the House of Bonaparte having saved France from 30 years of National Front rule, is it any wonder that a new Continental System has replaced the European Union?)

>Scotland gone from the UK
Christ I fucking wish

Your own personal politics are shining through, anon.

>>48935729

Seriously though, Bonapartes aside, I'm trying to think of what a Transhuman Space style return to the Great Powers era (the collapse of the Superpower era, basically) would look like based off of current events like Brexit and the impending Scottish Referendum 2.0

>>48935768
>impending Scottish Referendum 2.0
You're really not versed in UK politics

>>48935746

I was thinking that having fascists in the NF as the whipping boys having made socially liberal authoritarians look better by comparison might be a good sensible tact to take for writing a future history background. Also I'd rather keep Russia's current style of statism than have the hackneyed Soviet Union 2.0, but as a way to have regime change and distance themselves from Putin's tarnished legacy you could have the United Russia's next generation of leadership in the Young Guard be more socially liberal on stuff like gay rights, though I doubt that is actually the case in reality.

>>48935773

Are you holding out that Corbyn will be booted, a Labour centrist will be propelled to power, and Parliament will refuse to go through with Brexit despite the referendum results?

>>48935811
Haha, no. Corbyn will win the Labour lead, lose in 2020 (the most likely date of the next election). Unless May does something disastrous, it's a solid Conservative win.

The Conservatives are committed to Brexit. A Scottish Referendum has to be passed by Parliament, and Sturgeon doesn't have the legal authority to offer one. She talks a big game and makes lots of promises but neither she nor the SNP can actually give a referendum.

Labour won't co-operate with the SNP, especially since they still believe they can win back their Scottish seats. If Scotland goes, Labour becomes unelectable forever.

So nobody who wants it can get it and nobody who can give it wants to give it. No referendum for Scotland, and as part of the UK they have to follow the general consensus rather than whining that it wasn't what they wanted. Britain leaves the EU, Scotland stays in Britain.

Also, the SNP know on the most basic level they're fucked if they actually leave. They'd have to set up embassies in every country in the world, negotiate to join the EU (which'd be blocked by Spain) and then welfare leech like a mad cunt to actually be financially solvent, especially since their oil is worth nothing now. And they'd lose the money they get from Trident and manufacturing ships for the Royal Navy. They talk a big game to get the nationalist votes but they know they can't afford to honour their pledges.

>>48935703
>France: The pride of Europe.

Allah ackbar!

>>48935881
This

and we have to be committed to Brexit. I didn't want out, but Britain would be the laughing stock of the world if we went back on our word. I can see a rise lib Dems. Honestly, what I think is going to happen is that Britain will remain, just barley. Scotland will somehow be able to be a part of the EU and the UK. However, Britain will see political instability for the next couple years. Reason well Labour split, Lib Dems are still reeling from Nick Clegg, UKIP has been shafted by Farage and the conservatives could implode IMO.

>>48935746
This. If NF doesn't win and cut down on immigration, then France is demographically fucked. They are already 40% arab in most regions. Mohammad is the most common child name. They have already sufferes more terror attacks than any other country. They will fall apart in 20 years from muslim revolts unless there is a change.

Also NF isn't even fascist.

Also France will never be more powerful than Britain. They have less economic power and military.

Also Napoleon's heirs were all incompetent and their time has passed.

OP's homebrew is shit.

>>48935957
>and the conservatives could implode IMO
Unlikely now. They seemed to be in crisis at the moment of the referendum result but they got their shit together very quickly. The party is managed very skillfully. Even the announcements of resignation and appointments were timed to overshadow the Labour leadership conference. Remember all those journalists leaving Argclu's conference because Leadsom quit? Cameron, Gove and Osborne are basically in exile and they'll avoid rocking the boat because the stability of the party is more important for their legacy than getting their way.

UKIP has had its moment and they'll fade into irrelevance. Their voters will split between a more socialist Labour and the Conservatives. They won't go to the Lib Dems so long as the Lib Dem leader continues demanding a second referendum.

Lib Dems will see a rise in members and voters from butthurt Remainers but they're primarily Labour voters, so it'll reduce the chance of Labour being a strong opposition.

If Labour actually splits they're fucked. They'll lose seats all the way across the country simply through a division of their voting base, which will allow Conservatives to edge marginal seats. I don't think they'll split, I think they'll diminish and try and reinvent themselves.

SNP will remain solid, but the only influence they can realistically have is bloc voting on motions with an even split. I doubt they'll be offered the chance to vote on a special status for Scotland, most likely they'll be told to suck it up.

If there's a political upset it will come from Ireland.

>>48935991
>Mohammad is the most common child name
Not even in the top 10, unlike in Britain where it's n°1.

>>48935991
>They have already sufferes more terror attacks than any other country.
The only reason for that is because the french actually crack down on their muslims rather than letting them set up sharia zones and basically bending over for them (like the UK).

>>48936166
Muhammed is 14 in UK, Mohammed is 27.

Even combined, they don't beat Oliver, which is at the top.

>>48935991
>France is demographically fucked. They are already 40% arab in most regions

>"With an estimated total of 5 to 10 percent of the national population, France has the largest number of Muslims in Western Europe"

Do you even math bro?

>>48936236
>polshit
>math
kek

>>48935703
>Great Powers
>France
>Korea
Double kek.

Not without some really major plot devicium landing in their laps.

>>48935703
>Germany
>a nation that has the lowest birthrate in the world
>great power

>>48936278
What about Brazil?
Def a better option then France or Korea.

>>48936499
Seconding Brazil.

Though don't discount France. The French are uppity fellows, you never know when they'll decide it's been far too long and invade their neighbours again.

>>48936291
>birthrate
>mattering

>>48936671
I guess if they get a weird enough background, any nation is possible in another 30 years.

Brazil seems like the better option in my opinion. A little military expansion and they're dominating their own continent.

>>48936671
Multicultural countries aren't nationalist enough to commit to territorial wars. The majority of their citizens just don't care enough about the country to support it.

Not just the 'new citizens' but the natives too. They lose trust in their communities and faith in their country and become more materialistic. War doesn't suit them.

>>48936740
A possible reactionary fascist/nationalist state, might. But that seems a bit of ass pulling at that point. And going to alienate all of europe.

>>48936236
>>48936248
>regions
>national population

Not OP, but I guess you guys can't read and don't know much about history. A national percentage is not indicative of local percentages because Muslims cluster in certain areas, specifically large metropolitan areas and southern France. They can be - and are - 40% of the population in cities like Marseilles, and certainly in the suburban banlieus of cities like Paris, where local municipal power is de-centralized. Those areas could easily revolt and separate, ala Lebanon, Ingushetia or Kashmir.

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>>48935703
OP, what are your intended goals with this future timeline? Are you trying to be "realistic" or to develop a fun (but unrealistic) scenario for RPG purposes? State your purpose.

Some comments:

>US: The big dog. Huge military, huge economy, nuclear arsenal

The Chinese economy is projected to be 2.5 times the size of the US economy by 2060 (from The Economist's GDP estimator tool). Their military will be commensurately bigger, as will their nuclear arsenal.

>China: No.1 on the East Side.
China will most likely be No. 1 globally, barring a major world war. China is already the world's largest exporter, largest lender and largest foreign investor.

>India: Doing better now that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is decommissioned
??? Why?

>France: The pride of Europe. Oversized military
The French economy and military are both about the same size as the UK's. The German economy is 1.5 times bigger, though Germany's military is pretty shit these days.

>Korea: The rising giant. Unified and nuclear armed coming out of the Second Korean War
The costs of reunification would cripple South Korea for 30 years. It's a much worse scenario than West and East Germany reunifying, as the latter two at least had somewhat similar levels of development and technology.

>Brazil
Shit military historically and mostly resource-based economy which was tied to the Chinese economic miracle. Not likely to change and the demographics are already turning against them. Poor education, low technology, poor human potential.

>Turkey
Mosty likely candidate for Great Power in 2060, especially if it avoids Kurdish splintering. Middle-income economy, very large military (larger than anything in Europe) well supplied with modern arms, 100m+ population, virulently nationalistic and most likely an Islamic republic with nukes in the future, probably allied with China.

>Iran
Regional great power. 100m+ population, nukes, fair level of tech, middle income economy, self-sufficient.

>>48935703
Are you memeing lad? The United Kingdom has a faster growing economy than any other European power, military strength is based on economic. We spend a great deal more than Europe, we have modernised our army, the Royal Navy and are in the process of modernising the Royal Air Force. We have always been the military backbone of Europe since WWII.

As for the UK being a satellite,

> Didn't back you in Vietnam
> Won't back you in anymore middle-east adventures
> Closing down US airbases on our soil

>>48935957
>and we have to be committed to Brexit. I didn't want out
This as well.

I really didn't think Brexit would make a huge difference one way or the other beyond the political and economic scramble it's created. I didn't want it because it was an other excuse for Sturgeon to swing her dick about and try to crash the Union with no survivors on the odd platform of the EU being a more important relationship and the rest of the UK.

>>48936230
And even then it's becuse every single one of them calls their son Muhammed or Mohammed with another name they actually use at family gatherings.

Source, my friend Mohammed.

>>48937073
>We have always been the military backbone of Europe since WWII.
Son, the military backbone of western Europe during the Cold War were the 12 tank divisions of West Germany and the US, backed by a further 6 tank divisions in France. The British were submarine hunters (hence the pocket carriers with VTOLs) and air reinforcement meant to slow down the advance of 50 Soviet tank divisions until American reinforcements crossed the Atlantic.

>>48937168
Another minor point to remember (which may reassure rightists too) is that name diversity is much lower among Arabs than it is among western Europeans. Europeans have thousands of first names; Arabs only a few dozen, of which Mohammed and its variants is by far #1. This concentration of names makes Mohammed shoot up in rankings even when the Muslim population is very small.

>>48937189
I said the backbone not the whole body, those divisions have been dismantled. We remain. German spending is through the floor.

>>48935703
France and Korea? America not declining?... Dah hell, the land of poo? Yeah, I can definitely see China coming to dominate but the others...

>>48936671
>birthrate
>mattering
Mate, you've got a assload of uneducated Moslems and Blacks who breed like rabbits compared to the declining white Europeans who keep the gears of Germany running. This, coupled with the hostility shown by the minority's youth, implies that Germany is indeed entering a future period of decline with nasty consequences for the native population. You can scream I'm a evil "islamaphobic", racist, cis white male unconsciously oppressing people through sheer mental power but as shown by the fall of Rome and the fate of the Cannanites, massive demographic shifts do indeed have consequences.

>>48936795
This.

>>48936975
>2.5 times the size of the US economy by 2060
China's growth is slowing it's closer to 3% to the US/s 1.7% last I heard. Projections for 2060 are about 1.5 times the US GDP, by 2060.

Still got a long way to catch up militarily. But they're supposed to get their first carrier around 2020.

>>48936795

>Lebanon
>Ingushetia
>Kashmir
>Paris is gonna be a muslim enclave and become these countries guise!

You know, I'm not even surprised you're this dumb.

>>48937302
You were talking about history, now you're switching the goal posts and talking about today.

>We have always been the military backbone of Europe since WWII.

Yes, today the UK has one of the largest militaries in Europe (which isn't saying much, Turkey and Korea could kick their ass). But during the Cold War it was a medium-size component and pretty small in the land army dept.

>>48935991
>Also France will never be more powerful than Britain. They have less economic power and military.
France passed above the UK for a while after Brexit. By the 2060s, it might just be ahead.

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>>48937557
>China's growth is slowing it's closer to 3% to the US
China's growth was 6.9% in 2015. It hasn't been below 8% in years. Meanwhile the US was in recession in 2008-2009.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-economic-growth-slows-to-6-9-on-year-in-2015-1453169398

Projections are 2.5 times if accounting for Purchasing Power Parity.

>Still got a long way to catch up militarily.
Not really. Read the latest Pentagon report on Chinese military power, or the RAND comparative studies. They only lack high-performance jet engines and aircraft carriers. They have almost everything else. By 2060 they could be ahead.

>But they're supposed to get their first carrier around 2020.

They already have 1, it's called the Liaoning. And aircraft carriers aren't the stars they used to be. There is a line of thought that says aircraft carriers will be the battleships of the future (ie, antiquated and easily sunk), this time with missiles, deep learning AIs and massive sensor arrays.

>>48936795
I polled the local low-income apartments building and found out that Muslims make up to 90% of France's population in some places.
Really makes you think.

>>48937615
Ah what pure nonsense, I needed a good chuckle, thanks anon.

Korea nor Turkey could beat the UK and to suggest otherwise is pretty stupid.

UK's always had a small army but to act as if they weren't and still aren't one of the best militaries in Europe is ludicrous

>>48937738
>Purchasing Power Parity.
Nobody uses that shit.
Although if you were to use it, with Chinese production they'd be the best bet.

>>48937738
>aircraft carriers will be the battleships of the future
I could see that. I think we're more likely to see massed UAVs.

A single drone's production and operating cost is less then a tenth of a fighter jet. At least for prolonged force projection.

>>48935703
>French Caliphate
>German Sultanate
Fixed that for you, my man.

>>48937998
What do you think it'd take to create a modern day Anti-Pope?

If it's a non-realistic 2060, I want a modern Crusader state.

>>48938034
>If it's a non-realistic 2060, I want a modern Crusader state.
Probably something along the lines of the Holy Brazilian Empire.

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>thinly disguised /pol/bait thread
>still no mention of Israel

Israel.

>>48938034
Modern Crusader State? Well, white East Germany splitting off from a Moslem or Black African Germany where whites are treated like second class citizens (because they're Dhimmis in the latter, "dem beez slavery 'n sheeit" for the latter) if not outright slaves by the ruling Islamist regime.

>>48938179
Israel will be a modern day North Korea. Surrounded by hostile Islamist states who're now, thanks to the Caliphates in France and Germany, nuclear armed and only held back by a alliance with some other power touting nukes like Russia or China.

>>48936795
>Those areas could easily revolt and separate, ala Lebanon, Ingushetia or Kashmir.

The problem with that scenario is those areas are not self-sufficient, and they just declared war on the people managing their food, water, electricity and sewage. Half of them would die from starvation or disease within a month.

>>48938264
They don't care. They'll just get those 99 virgins + 1 goat in Heaven after they die, who cares about everyone else.

>>48935703
What happens in setting for the world to return to a "Great Powers" stage?

If there's anything like a world conflict I think it's going to be more Cold War era Eastern vs Western Blocs. China and Co. vs US and friends.

>>48938290
I never said they were too smart to try.

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>>48937615
> Turkey
> Korea
> Beating the United Kingdom

Thanks anon I needed a good raff.

>>48938504
Turkey IS the United Kingdom at the moment.

>>48935703
>>Great Powers in the 2060s.
>USA.
>China.
>India.
>Brazil.
Russia is doomed to fail, nothing can save them. They're just going to slowly slide into irrelevance once Putin dies.
A more centralized/united EU will never happen, but if say two of France, Germany and the UK get closer and abandon the EU as a whole and focus on just them, they might be another great power (I doubt the three at once could every agree on anything).
Japan can't be a great power, but it'll probably keep a strong economy.

>>48936795
People that don't know shit about demographics should just shut up in this kind of thread.

>>48939650
>China
Depends entirely on how, if at all, they're going to fix all their drinkable water running out by 2030. Also, you know how the Chinese are "taking over Africa"? Some speculate it's Chinese fatcats investing their money outside of China, because they themselves don't trust their own economy. Also, the biggest potential crisis: their switch from being the sweatshop of the world to a modern nation state. This won't happen, not with commies in charge at least. Either the middle class or the communist party has to budge, and whichever it is it won't be pretty.

>India
>Brazil
Kek, no. I don't trust their abilities to become anything other than sweatshops. What do they have other than numbers? Nothing, really. Brazil's economy went to shit rather recently despite incredibly optimistic predictions. Also, call me /pol/ if you want but recently Afro-Brazillians became the majority in Brazil for the first time, with no signs of this trend reversing. This means that any chances of a knowledge-based modern economy are washed down the drain.

I agree with your predictions on Russia and the EU. I doubt France and Germany will remain closely knit without the EU though, a lot of Frenchies are already pretty pissed about playing second fiddle to Germany (which is part of why FN is so popular: they're all about taking back France. Taking it back from immigrants at the bottom, and from the Germano-Belgian EU elite at the top).

In conclusion, while the political landscape may change, I believe America will remain the unquestionable top dog for the forseeable future.

>>48936795
I really hope France wakes up some day and starts removing the filth. Such radically different cultures simply cannot live together. We've already seen the clusterfuck of the Balkans, which is only slightly stable today because of foreign pressure. We already see this in France, with synagogues and other "vulnerable" targets literally being guarded by the military, like it's a fucking warzone.

>>48940093
The USA'd be on top, but it'd be on top with a couple others right behind, instead of being on top and way ahead of everyone.

>>48937073
not after brexit

>>48935703
US: Alright, I can see the US staying top dog for a few more years. Either the Dems dominate or Trump made America great again at a cost. Either way, America's downward slide continues, not helped by Beaner secessionists wanting to rejoin Mexico.

China: China will remain the sweatshop empire. Unless drastic changes happen to it's government. It's government has adopted unpleasant though necessary population controls.

India: like China, though the land of Poo will become a massive overpopulated hell hole not helped by the aftershocks of climate change. It's government will also not be as effective in reacting to the rising sea levels and the massive population crisis than China which possesses more authoritarian controls. India still remains the land of poo.

France: the Islamic Caliphate of Fransia. White people have been pushed out into the countryside while the cities have degenerated into massive Moslem ghettos where the dimwitted and uneducated population is only kept under control by intentional anti-intellectualism and the legalization of slavery where the peasants can work their mad off on their property. White women in particular, are all the rage among Moslem and Black men. Shariah law, needless to say, has been instated.

Russia: yeah, Russia's screwed. Don't get wrong. I'm rooting for them, I hope Putin will pull out a Trumpcard on King Nig and win, but... Yeah. I can see Russia forming a close bond to the homogeneous white eastern Europe though.

Korea: Korea a super power? Nah. A strong regional power maybe, but nothing much beyond that.

Germany: save as France. Though east Germany probably breaks off and forms a general anti-Kebab coalition with the besieged nations of eastern Europe.

>>48941576
>Those predictions about US, France and Germany
It'd almost make you forget that America already has four minority white states, and white Americans are already a minority among those younger than 5 years old. But yeah, America will be perfectly fine while Europe becomes a literal dystopia.

>All this /pol/ shit garbage.

Gimme twenty minutes and I'll be back with something resembling plausibility.

>>48942259
>>All this shit I don't agree with.
>
>Gimme twenty minutes and I'll be back with more /pol/ shit garbage.

Why can't you just stay on your own board /pol/?

>>48941698
Ah. So the southwest becomes Beaner territory while the midwest and the more rural states become the last remnants of white america. The east coast and the old south meanwhile, degenerate into tribal Africa, the dream of Obongo and the prowling ground of the nig. Canada-thanks to autistic Trudeau-becomes a Islamic caliphate similar to the post-European slaver empires over the Atlantic.

>>48941202
Actually JP Morgan is revising our growth forecasts upwards, article in the Independent.

OK first off the 'Eurabia' fedora motherfuckers such as >>48941576 and >>48940093 can fuck right the hell off, because their statistics are terrible, and they're pure cancer. Ignore their bullshit. Also, predicting 40+ years into the future is pretty fucking stupid. Let's dial this down to twenty because that's probably around when interesting shit will go down.

>US

It basically is either going to make it or break it as a great power this election. A Trump election would likely shatter the NATO alliance structure and economic deals that keep the US able to prevent China and Russia from muscling in on our turf, not to mention the economic disaster his policies would likely cause, but the point is that he'll be out on his ass after one term no matter what, and the chances of him actually getting elected is a suckers bet right now. This isn't to say that Hillary is some unicorn riding wizard that will fix all wrongs, but at the very least she'll keep the structure intact long enough for SOMEONE to do the renovation work needed.

At this point though, a multipolar world is inevitable. The question is who is the top of the great powers. And more likely than not, it'll stay the USA. A large population, solid economic basis that produces more goods than anyone else, alongside a history of technological prowess puts them firmly in the top dog seat, but it won't be entirely smooth sailing.

>China
China loses out on most populous region of the globe to the Indian Subcontinent in a few decades. However, the real threat for the Chinese isn't external - it's internal. A stagnant economy, repressive political system, and military build up have left it in a state similar to the Soviet Union of the early 1980's, except this time with no puppet states to count on aside from the starving and crazy North Koreans.

>>48942774
>complains about /pol/ tier bullshit
>posts tumblr tier bullshit
God this thread. There's a reason I ignore every /tg/ SF setting's backstory.

>>48942844

/pol/ and /tumblr/ are literally the left and right wing visions. It's best to take both and look at where they overlap to find the middle ground where the most likely outcome lies.

If an isolationist moment in the US leads to the collapse of NATO, a Pacific pivot and maintaining the recent American buildup in Vietnam, Singapore, and the Phillipines could still occur.

Meanwhile who knows who would profit in a Europe where NATO, the EU, and Russia are all declining. Free trade and peace between a "Europe of Nations", or conflict?

>>48942774
>China cont.

This isn't helped with the effects of overfishing in the SCS and a policy of containment starting to kick in. They're surrounded by powers that have no reason to cooperate with them, and the Middle Kingdom really is stuck in the middle. Vietnam's sliding into the US sphere of influence, the re-militarization of Japan, and South Korean refusal to listen to them until they withdraw their support for the North puts them in a tricky situation. And then there's the headaches of Xianjing and civil unrest caused by economic difficulties alongside a massive non-working population. They're really at a tipping point all thing's considered. And the scales are tipping towards war to force the world to recognize them as a true great power.

>Russia

If anything, Russia is actually poised for a comeback if it can weather the storm the next couple of years are going to bring to the table. A transition into a post-Putin political system might be tricky, but I'm confident they can manage it. While isolated from the rest of Europe, they have an opportunity to really expand influence into the caucus regions, what with Turkey being in a state of civil war between the Kemalists and Edrogan's mobs. However, the failed intervention in Syria cost them a lot in terms of potentially finding another ally in the middle east.

With Assad having been ousted, the civil war entered a second phase, one between the hardline Islamists and the more moderate rebels, and neither were going to ask for Russian help considering the airstrkes and support to the deposed regime. And with the Islamists coming out on top, things are going to get pretty interesting in the Middle East, especially with an independent Kurdistan holding a good chunk of former Syrian territory...

All in all though, Russia doesn't want to directly screw with eastern europe. It's just not worth it, especially when what they'd gain is just the Baltic States at best.

>>48938304
For a twist on this you could have two separate Cold Wars: US vs Entente (nationalist regimes in Europe and Russia) with India and China not caring, and China v India without disrupting Western access to Pacific Rim markets.

>>48943080
>more moderate rebels
Citation needed. Moderate Moslems are clearly mythical creatures existing the realm of magical thinking alongside Unicorns and Big Foot. So far, all we've seen in Syria are ISIS or Islamist militias who clearly sympathize with or are silent on the Islamic State (and as we all know, silence implies consent). And the only reason why the intervention failed was due to Obongo protecting his Moslem bruthaz by fucking threatening to start WWIII.

The Syrian Civil War would've been over in months if Obongo didn't get asshurt and force the only superpower who gave a fuck to withdraw.

>>48943068
In that case I'd look at a strong France and surprisingly enough, Poland. Germany would be an economic power still, but there's no doubt that those two hold the military muscle there.

>>48943080
>Eurofaggotry

With NATO pretty much looking on at the Turkish situation with no real desire to get involved in that clusterfuck, Greece sees a chance to potentially get back Istanbul. However thankfully for everyone who hates the clusterfuck of the Byzantines, Greece is entirely irrelevant.

The United Kingdom gets hit hard by the aftershocks of Brexit. Economically hamstrung and unable to negotiate to keep their privileges they got while in the EU, they grudgingly rejoin it within two decades sans exemptions. France and Germany's supposed 'Eurabia' problem pretty much becomes a non-issue as soon as the second generation starts getting out there, and as refugees either get deported back to the 'peaceful' Islamic Republic of Syria or go back willingly, thinking everything has settled down.

Ironically enough, the nation in Europe that experienced the biggest swing in fortunes? Poland! An expansion of their Baltic fleet, military capabilities, and EU investment pretty much lead to a Polish-Franco-German powerbloc in the EU, with poor old Belgium left in the cold alongside the UK. All in all though, Europe remains pretty calm despite the occasional terrorist attack.

>>48943240
Here's your (You)

>>48942844
Update: aha! Nothing has changed. Stick to writing RPG settings. Tumblr and /pol/ bullshit isn't your forte /tg/.

>>48943280
>Middle East

The clusterfuck continues. Turkey ends up in a civil war, with the Kemalists eventually pulling out a win and executing Edrogan after a civil war. The entire country goes pretty hyper secular, looking at the newly formed Islamic Republic of Syria with concern, and hostility. There isn't a Kurdish problem for them at all, after most of them seeing the potential for genocide during the civil war taking the opportunity to hop the border into the newly established Kurdistan.

Kurdistan is the really really new nation on the Middle Eastern stage, and it probably wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't for the firm support of the US for them, and surprisingly enough, Israel. Formed from Northern Iraq, and a large amount of North Eastern Syria, Kurdistan's independence may be short lived. The Iraqi rump state towards Kuwait is firmly under Iranian control by this point, and no matter how fierce the Kurd's might be the Iranians heavily outnumber them. Then there's the Syrians to worry about to the west, and potentially the Turks to the north.

>India

Imagine now, but with more people and even shittier. They're on the road for civil war and/or getting gangbanged by China and Pakistan, with nobody else giving a shit about what happens to the Curries.

>Japan

Remilitarization helps a bit, but they'll never be a major great power ever again, and the birthrate issue causes an economic slowdown before thing's stabilize again. All in all though, they don't have it too bad, what with VR Waifus starting to take off.

And that's about all I can think of that'd really matter.

>>48943280

Poland is supposedly Technically Capable of nuclear weapons (able to produce them within 1-2 years) according to the Wikipedia article listing nations by military equipment level (they cited this article but you can only get the citation file and not read the full report: http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/04597222.2015.996334 )

Regardless of any other predictions, it's pretty obvious the EU will eventually collapse. Social democratic mass-immigration states vs former Soviet-bloc (especially V4) right-wing authoritarian states does not tend to make a great lasting alliance. It's a bit of a wonder the UK and France got along for as long as they did, especially in light of de Gaulle's Cold Way third pillar shit.

The main question is just whether Russia or the US keeps it as a virtual vassal state, and equally importantly: what happens to Turkey?

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Tumblr-tards love to bash /pol/, while being too stupid to actually go there for discussion of politics.

Political discussion belongs in /pol/, not /tg/.

>>48944051
>/pol/
>discuss politics

Actually go there and see for yourself. Incessantly demanding that people you disagree with kill themselves isn't discussion, it's an echo chamber of trolls that each think that they're a genius.

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>this basically

>>48944248
And yet you're such a genius you read the entire post without even comprehending the message.

The fact that they told you to kill yourself doesn't change the fact that it's the 4chan political board.

Take the advice desu, you seem too dumb to live.

/pol/ and Tumblr: the Hattfields and Mcoys of the internet.

>>48944325
Nice discussion, man. Way to prove a point.

>>48944383
>Still not getting the message that there are designated places for each type of discussion
Hurry up with that suicide already.

>>48944401
Such a great way to discuss any sort of topic anywhere, anon.

>>48937073
>UK
>the military backbone of Europe since WWII

Perhaps out of the nations actually in Europe, but the US is the backbone of NATO.

The reasons the nations of Europe have cut their militaries is because they're relying on the US to to provide the bulk of NATO forces if Russia ever invades.

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>>48935703
>France
>Great power

We 2300ad now
Where all da Aconits at?

>>48944465
>People on the internet are mean
Abloo bloo bloo

>>48938255
how would that be possible? numb nuts.

>>48935703
>2060s
Nobody because President Trump will cause a nuclear holocaust in 2018.

>>48942881
That's like saying
>Between Hitler on one side and Franklin Delano Roosevelt on the other
>You should pick the middle ground of Chiang Kai-shek.

>>48947937

You got that wrong though. It's closer to
>Between Hitler on one side and Stalin on the other

>>48936975
China's going to implode into Africa 2: Afrcia Harder. Their growth is unsustainable and their internal political situation is a three legged stool with one leg missing.

>>48947961
Hitler and Stalin aren't on opposite sides of the political spectrum. They're both tyrannical dictators.

>>48948085

One of the Left and the other of the Right.

>>48948085
>implying FDR wasn't a tyrannical dictator

>>48947937
What kind of a fucking strawman is this? "Everyone who disagrees with me is Hitler."

>>48947961
Stalin thankfully, still has a bad reputation (and it should fucking stay that way). Otherwise he'd be overwhelmingly the Tumblr pick, don't you deny it.

>>48935703
>>/pol/

>>48949001
>>48948133
>Implying Stalin was Left
Stalin was an authoritarian dictator who propped up the Communist system.
Hitler was an authoritarian dictator who made a fascist system. But >>48947937 is clearly a comparison between dictatorship and democracy, and saying that the middle choice is obviously a pseudo-dictatorial warlord with the veneer of democratic legitimacy because that's how stupid your argument in >>48942881 is.

>>48935703
>this is what Americans actually believe
It will make things all the funnier

>>48948077
Speaking of Africa, China has been investing heavily into Africa over the years and are in the process of trying to secure contracts with Syria. The Chinese have been making strong progress because their policies aren't as demanding as compared to the US as far as being humanitarian and all that.

>>48935714
>House of Bonaparte
is not Nationalist.

WTF you smoking?

I see this

NF Headquarters: "Marie! The Bonapartists are calling to oppose our near certain victory in the elections in the next decade."
"Tell our people to support them."

If you say Bonapartists woul be proimmigrant and keep current policies alive into the 2060's it's not a tolerant fance your looking at. It's Islamic.

>>48935703
This entire prediction is based... I want to say "information back from the 60's", but fuck, it's not even that. It's based on common American MISCONCEPTIONS from the 60's. France, the "pride of Europe"? Japan remilitarized? China being number 1? Are you with the guys who wrote Cyberpunk 2027? I'm surprised you haven't mentioned half the world being dominated by "SovBloc".

>>48938034

Latin America would have to rebel and form it's own church. Then again, the current papal office holder is Latin American. But that's a 'second pope'.

Some 'rebellion' based on 'fuck those rapefugees' might work. Maybe a US Anti-Pope after a Trump victory invigorates the anti-migrant sentiment int the US.

>>48944401
>pol told me to kill myself
>kill yourself faggot

??

If it manages to survive militarily Israel is going to become a future superpower by virtue of being one of the only places with actual racial pride. They won't let themselves by outpopulated by Muslims even if it means genocide. At the same time all of Europe will soon just become a hovel populated by blacks and Muslims without the intelligence to run an economy or the dedication to run a military, wallowing in their own excrement.

>>48949810
That's about as accurate as saying that the USA will be a wasteland of gangs of blacks and Mexicans shooting each other in twenty years time.

>>48941576
Tom Kratman?

>>48944303
Jesus, this guy went down a sad path after Hyperion.

>>48949867
America is actually taking steps to prevent the fate you've described, Europe has surrendered to it. Go for a walk in Paris one day. You'd think you were in Baghdad.

>>48935703
>U.S. not hitting collapse under its own weight.
You're really not seeing what's going on there are you. The U.S. is own bad term away from basically caving in under years of bad policy and trade deals, not counting the whole midwest turning to a damn dustbowl and the south slowly being drowned out. An even bigger issue is the whole ya know, we aint got the energy to go much further as a technological species.

well it did not take that long until the thread got overrun by muh racewar idiots

>>48950024
That's as likely as you having taken a step in Paris in the last ten years.

>>48950112
what did you expect of a board comprised mostly of overweight suburban white castoffs of a declining society?

>>48937738

China has been undergoing the prelude to a major financial catastrophe for four years now, and the Party has used every trick it has left to keep things going short of shutting off all money leaving the country altogether.

They're spending billions weekly keeping the markets from turning from the amount of money they pretended they had to the amount they actually have, and the people with the liquid capital are moving it out of the countr yas fast as they possibly can, to the point they have singlehandedly kept Australia's bullshit housing bubble not just up but growing.

When China runs out of the money it needs to pretend everything is fine, things are going to crash, and hard. It will recover because it's a huge country with lots of resources and labour, but that makes projections based on older data irrelevant. It's like projecting the winner of the 100m dash using last years' data when the former winner broke his leg.

>>48950117
I live in Paris, you utter fucking moron. I got first row seats for the disaster.

>>48935703
Make UE unite in a pseudo-federation, without british EU go slowy to Social-Conservatism. Under impulse of the French, you got a federation that live in autarky, now they need ressource badly, they bully the old Francafrique for it and try to got the Russian one by big subvention to the pro-EU parti in Russia. Make EU diplomatie this: "I need Ressource now", add that politic is still democratic but Imperialism and warmongering are on the rise. Add two great line of politic, Nazi Lebensraum idea versus Space exploitation of void Rock. Also xenophobie and hatred against the European traitor and the idea of the "Great European Brotherhood".

TL;TR: Make a EU federation that is the pre-ww2 germany.

>>48950235

You can't be sitting in the front row of your own one-man show.

>>48950235
How far from the no-go zones do you live, Anon?

>>48950249
Kind of on the edge of Butte aux Cailles.

>>48950235
>I live in Paris
Spotted the cumguzzling retarded faggot

>>48950235
Of course you do.

>>48950262
Tell me more about the no-go zones, Anon~.

>>48950318
They don't exist. Paris as a whole is a true shithole tho.

>>48949997
Reality went down a sad path. Can you honestly imagine a nation funding the support of its own invaders having the funding for anything else?

>>48937073
>We have always been the military backbone of Europe since WWII
Kek.

Everyone knows it's France.

>>48936795
>40% of the population in cities like Marseilles
Not even 25%. Trough it's hard to tell, with all the italian immigration of the last century, they look the same.

>>48950836
Don't forget the Spaniard refugees from their civil war, and the ones fleeing from Franco later.

>>48935703
>Any European country as a Great Power
Unless they federalize in some monstrous hyper-EU, they will continue to be geopolitically irrelevant.

I can see Europe in 2060 as the closest thing to Mad Max or Children of Men we'll get. Bankrupt race-to-the-bottom neoliberal debt societies with no will or presence internationally. Violence will increasingly come to Europe as it is Islamified, but I don't expect Western or Southern Europe to do anything about it, aside from becoming more and more governed by an undemocratic, authoritarian bureaucracy which has long ago been captured by corporate interests.

Europe will be the closest look at a dystopian environment that we'll get in our lifetimes.

>>48936795
You mean like in London where they even have a muslim mayor ?

>>48950982
But the US is already dystopian and violent. Europe has a long way to go to get on our level.

>>48950982
Can we get an EU that isn't "I'm republican and EU is a Socialist failed hole" or "I'm democrate and EU is neoliberal failed hole" and other variation of EU is what i don't like?
>>48950243
Weirmar Republic like EU as the crossroad of it future is a good idea.

>>48951002
The US is just getting poorer and browner, it's not under threat of being Islamicized.

>>48951036
We're not getting a "/pol/'s dream nation conquers the other european nations" empire anytime soon again, m8.

>>48951041
But it's already at the boot of corporations and orders of magnitude more violent than Europe.

>>48951036
Well if you just want fantasy then make continental Europe into the revolutionary power in the world. It doesn't matter whether you make them socialists, nationalists, monarchists, religious fundamentalists, or whatever - Europe could be united and relevant in the wake of some major ideological thrust by a tiny vanguard.

And I'm neither a Republican nor Democrat, and in the first place neither is opposed to neoliberalism.

>>48951076
Violent in the sense of typical crime, and only at a nominal level. Furthermore, if you control for a certain demographic, the US is actually one of the least violent countries in the world.

Again though, crime is not comparable to the open insurgency Europe is facing.

>>48951113
Thanks for reminding me how deluded /pol/ is. I keep forgetting.

>>48937751

>Muslims make up to 90% of France's population in some places

These are called "ghettoes," anon. They happen when certain ethnic groups can't afford to live anywhere else. I'm glad you noticed something that's been a mainstay of western society for centuries.

>>48938034
>If it's a non-realistic 2060, I want a modern Crusader state.
Serbia, crusadeing since 1992.

Also Poland will assume the mantle of bulwark of Christendom again, and will fight against German sultanate.

>>48951113
>open insurgency

Holy shit you're right I live in fear of the roving bands of armed militia that populate the countryside.

>>48951217
If not now, by 2060 you will.

>>48951126
European don't know what happen in USA and lot see it as a country full of trigger happy policeman and Racial civil war.
And American don"t know what happen in EU and lot see it as a continent full of terrorist and debt full state.

>>48951113
>open insurgency Europe is facing.
No, they're terrorist Cell, ever hear of Anarchist? Same thing EU know, doesn't mean open insurgency.
>>48951093
Well, i like the idea of EU in autarcy with political turnmoil that remember me the Weimar germany, for a setting it permit a lot of fun thing, from Nazi EU to Full "Fuck the rest of the world don't get near us" democratic fortress.

Thanks guys. If it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have realized that the country I live in is run by roving rapemobs of Muslims that seek to butcher me and fuck my cooling ass in the aftermath. I really must be blind for having never seen an instance of this and even though I probably never will, at least I heard about it from you guys.

Now I know that the open insurgency is here and any European country is literally Syria 2.0. Thanks, anons!

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>>48951273
Clapistani idiocy is something to behold.

>>48951298
I can see at least twenty-three Islamist suicide rapists in that image.

Take your own life now, before it's too late.

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>>48951325
Are you implying I'm not getting raped before beheading right now ?

>>48951345
Can you place a tortoise atop one of those poles?

>>48951345
Very gracious of our new Muslim overlords to let you take pictures of their new caliphate while you're getting raped.

Look at all of the beautiful, towering mosques in that picture. There must be hundreds.

>>48951377
No I can't because I'm at work right now

I want to go back

>>48949549
Fuck you, Cyberpunk 2077 is a great setting.

>>48950982
For a silly fun Command and Conquer type feel, Europe could be dominated by a transcontinental bazaar/mafia.

>>48951703
He said 2027

Is '77 even done yet?

>>48943280
>The United Kingdom gets hit hard by the aftershocks of Brexit. Economically hamstrung and unable to negotiate to keep their privileges they got while in the EU, they grudgingly rejoin it within two decades sans exemptions. France and Germany's supposed 'Eurabia' problem pretty much becomes a non-issue as soon as the second generation starts getting out there, and as refugees either get deported back to the 'peaceful' Islamic Republic of Syria or go back willingly, thinking everything has settled down.

Every single thing you posted is literally the least likely thing to happen

>>48951784
Not the anon you are replying to but there was a couple threads several weeks ago that set about creating a cyberpunk setting set in 2077. That's probably what he was referring to.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/48185231/

>>48951784
Nope

>>48951808
Oh yeah, I was in those. OP of the second one fucked up majorly in setting it up, and the fact that it's '77 - i.e., the same date as Cyberpunk 2020's long-upcoming successor is set, left a lot of room for confusion

>>48951792
>Not realizing most of the UK economy is focused around the financial sector that Brexit has gutted

Spotted the Northern Englander. Congrats, you finished what Thatcher started.

>>48951992
I look forward to see all the banks fucking off from London once they can't sell financial products in the EU anymore.

>>48951842
I was just mainly lurking in those threads but from what I gathered no one really settled on a definitive title so OP just made one up (which was a slip up). Were you a poster in those threads?

>>48935768
>>48935811
>>48935881
>>48935957
>>48936077
ITT: /pol/

>>48935703
...is this /tg/? How is this /tg/?

>>48952117
One of the nice things about /tg/ is that you can make anything on-topic with the excuse that it's "inspiration for a game" or "in a game I ran" or "for a game setting".

>>48952111
Well a lot of this thread is /pol/, but yeah that's actual political discussion, without even the pretence that it's worldbuilding for some mythical game

>>48952106
Yeah, I was. Not bad threads, and a decent example of /tg/ taking a simple question and turning it into something fairly interesting, but it was never hugely strong - inevitable, given that it was about topics people are so ready to argue about

>>48952158
While I don't disagree, I'm also not seeing that in OP.

>>48952158
>completely off topic shitposting is permitted
>nice thing

>France: The pride of Europe

Stopped reading right there.

>>48935714
>and US nuclear weapons stationed in Australia to do the same when it comes to China
Why not just station them in Japan instead then? The distance between Australia and China is only 100 miles less than the distance between the US and France.

Stacking your shit in Australia would actually put you at a pretty big strategic disadvantage.

>>48952312
Too much a threat, China will just go mad if Nuke go in Japan, also Japan maybe refuse to have this weapon on it soil, remember Hiro and Naga.

>>48952436
The extended flight time guarantees that China has enough time to get their shit out the gate. The entire point of stationing nuclear weapons at a forward position is to reduce chances for retaliation.

For reference the distance between Australia and China is only 100 miles less than the distance between the US and France, it barely qualifies as a forward position.

China are also going to straight up assume you have shit stationed in Japan anyway.

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>>48935703
>implying Canada won't have conquered the entire globe by then

>>48952197
>but it was never hugely strong - inevitable, given that it was about topics people are so ready to argue about
What do you mean by this?

>>48953033
It evolved very quickly into cyberpunk, /tg/ loves to argue about cyberpunk

Also politics, history and existing countries, and everyone argues about those

>>48953121
Besides the "muh realizm" shitposting in the second thread, I found the arguing to be fairly stimulating though.

I have no idea why /tg/ loves arguing about cyberpunk though.

>>48953433
Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.

tg likes arguing about cyberpunk because tg likes cyberpunk a fair bit

Also it's fairly loosely defined, which makes for easy arguing

>>48935703
>implying China's economy won't implode long before the 2060's

>>48954033
>Implying the vast majority of major powers aren't headed right for collapse as environmental degradation hits hard and the last major oil reserves become primary targets for coming resource wars.
Or
>Implying its all not gonna implode anyways as World War three kicks off over a minor event that is trumped up by Russian/China or the EU that drags us all into it kicking and screaming as the U.S. ends up burning itself out trying to stabilize its failing empire.

>>48949046
First off, that's not even me. Second, if you honestly believe the bored tri-gendered plantkin transwomen of Tumblr aren't as far out and ridiculous as the MTN Dew chugging /pol/ fag then you're either being disingenuous or identify as a tree yourself. Third, that isn't even what he fucking wrote.

He merely stated that Tumblr and /pol/ are cesspits of ultra far-left and far right thinking and that they're both hold utterly insane predictions of the future. That's what he wrote, dumbshit. Go back to Tumblr.

>>48949916
SB, go back to shitting up your own forum. Fucking autists.

>>48954199
His books are legitimately shitty, regardless of one's politics. That's what differentiates him from, say, John Ringo or Robert Heinlin (can't believe I'm putting both of those on the same level, but for the purpose of this argument, lets say they are).

>>48954804
Isn't Ringo the one who wrote a book with a rapist hero? A serial rapist, at that.

>>48954199
>complaining about autists
>on 4chan

>>48953818
>Yeah, I thought it was pretty good.
Anon who was a part of the thread here, what did you think was good about it?

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>>48935703
>Japan
>Being relevant militarily, and not just a source for overpriced electronics and weird porn.
Suuuuuuure.

>>48956053
>ahaha Japan is so funny with their porn
When will this meme die?

Back on the topic, what about Space and Tech?

>>48956178
When they'll stop shooting porn where the actresses end up with snakes, octopuses or worms in various offices and that less than half their female population will have starred in at least one porn vid in their life.

>>48952086
>Islamic anti-banking laws would do this as well.

>>48956625
JAV and hentai are two separate things you retard

>>48956672
I don't see what this has to do with anything.

>>48952295
Why don't you just use your mod powers to delete the thread?

Good God, what a fucking trainwreck. This thread has rapidly went from Tumblr vs /pol/ to a discussion about Hentai and kinky Japanese porn (not that I disapprove, but yeah). I'll throw out my own predictions just for the hell of it:

China: same as it is now for the most part. Though it's probably now got a stake in the resurged space race. It's probably experimenting with auqacultural farms since the south China sea is now a lifeless desert. Dominates Africa through a form of limited imperialism.

Western Europe: the closest we got to a true dystopia. The white population is now a minority and has been steadily been pushed back out east by a hostile middle eastern majority, a series of moves met with general approval by the competing black africans. A result of indoctrinating a entire population into seeing one race as the ultimate evil, racial relations have flip flopped with whites getting oppressed and herded into reservations. Some would call it justice, I'd call it pointless cruelty. The EU either still exists as a shitty coalition or fell apart decades ago.

Eastern Europe and Russia: homogeneous white nations hostile to the racist states in the west. Very religious, with the eastern Orthodoxy coming to dominate the beliefs of the Slavs. Putin, despite likely failing in manipulating US elections and dying a failure, is remembered as a sort of hero by most of the population. But Russia lost it's super power status decades ago.

>>48957320
America: a declining super power with a sagging intellectual base and arguably the worst educational system on the face of the planet that all the while eerily resembles Rome during the 4'th Century. Trump likely lost the election to Shillary, who promptly carried out Obama's flawed status quo. Likely high unemployment not helped by the waves of automation carried out in the 2020s and the 2030s which has made most jobs irrelevant. Not only blue collar, but many careers in engineering and medicine were likely gradually replaced by a series of bots. Due to the discontent, some are speaking of seceding from the Union.

South America and Africa: the playing ground of Chinese business.

India: well, you know what they say about Pajeet and his "hobbies"...