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>>49695798
Last thread we gave our Chimera's a high council to lead them whilst Thodos is away and fluffed out their Orkish nemesis, Mugrumm Blakkrokka and his Freebootaz Da Blakk fangs.

I think that our councillors need a little more personality (seeing as we know ones name and position and that's it) and our legion needs to have done a few things, major campaigns, minor encounters that propelled characters to the upper echelons of the Chimeras, stuff like that.

Pictured is the Chimera Legion's paint scheme.

>>49695852
And our lovely councillors

>The Five Heads of the Chimeric Inner Circle, Lords of Chaos All.

>Arlek the Ironchosen
>A mentor then close friend and confidant to Theodorus during the Heresy Arlek accidentally exposed his friend to the Obliterator Virus and sent him down the path to Princedom. Within the legion he manages the forges and factories of the Legion. His role as liason to the Dark Mechanicus allows him to manage the finances of the legion with ease, his mechanical mind suited to such work.

>High Commander Silas Warpshriek
>A raptor of exceptional clarity and shrewd cunning, Silas is Thodos' military right hand man, overseeing deployment, recruitment, and campaign operations of the Chimeras. Like a son to Thodos, Silas is fatalistically loyal to Thodos, and has learned much of commanding troops under his lord.

>High Seer Archanon the Frumious
>Undisputed master of the attendant sorcerer covens, the wizard offers cryptic council and mysticism to an otherwise business-like committee. The sorcerer is oft untrusted and begrudgingly listened to.

>Orphaeus Paraphron, High Fleshshaper
>As the Ironchosen commands the crucibles and forges of the legion so does Orphaeus oversee the precious Chimera laboratories. From the development of new viruses to the perfection and application of mutagens, Orphaeus lords over it all. Sometimes he will trade with other lords of the craft, like Eldar Haemonculi or the Venerable Fabius Bile to further his own research.

>High Prophessor Tianakles
>Held in the esteem of Thodos for his skills of Oration and control Tiankles is the father of the Chimeric Cult, the thousands of cultists ready to die for the legion falling under his direct supervision from his great pulpit.

>>49695798
and the 1d4chan page. Can't forget that.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Chimera_Legion

>>49695798
Bump

>>49695852
A bit of minor event writing:

The Calling on Haldon

At the counsel of one of Archanon's more lucid visions, the warband fleet disgorges itself from the warp into orbit above an Imperial world called Haldon. The promise of "extraordinary resources" fills the rest of the warband's leadership with great expectancy, despite their myriad doubts.

The fleet prepared itself for battle as they exited the warp. The plan was to smash a hole through the orbital defenses and begin a mass raid across the planet to locate this promised treasure. As the first ship entered realspace however, it was clear this would not be necessary. Haldon was a feudal world, immersed in local, petty conflicts, and without any weaponry more advanced than a black powder musket.

Most of the council was enraged by this revelation. What prize could be claimed here? There was no arsenal, no manufacturing complexes, not even any obscure archeotech to be unearthed. But Tiannakles alone of his comrades saw what could be gained here.

Making planetfall with only a small honor-guard of the more unwarped marines, Tianakles presented himself as a demi-god to the superstitious folk of Haldon. Ignoring the feudal borders and clan-conflicts of the ruling class, his campaign of prophesy and propaganda gathered a massive following of warriors, from nobles and knights to mercenaries and zealots. Through regular and sometimes enormous tournaments of deadly gladiatorial combat, Tianakles forged a zealous, hardened following of the best warriors the feudal kingdoms of Haldon had to offer. He then departed, and presented the rest of the warband with a large new host to bolster the ranks of the cult. The most worthy of these new recruits were set aside as possible additions to the ranks of their Marines.

Cont.

>>49696799
For many raids and sieges and skirmishes after this, the warriors recruited on Haldon proved themselves worthy additions. In cultist operations they were brutal melee fighters, clad in twisted knightly plate and wielding all manner of antique weapons. They made ready recipients of the warband's mutations and gifts, and many of them showed potential as prospective new marines. The black and yellow stripes of the Iron Warriors were marks of great honor to them, and they honored well the traditions of the Chimera.

Might be a little long, just thought it sounded cool.

>>49696900
>>49696799
It is cool. Perhaps SIlas comes from Haldon.

>>49695852
>The Sieges Successive of VTT-139

A largely automated ore refinery housed in a small moon, VTT-139 was infiltrated by a contingent of Chimera Legion marines backed by cultist soldiers intent on using it as a vector to spread mutagenic weaponry. After two weeks of fighting the Legion had purged the original inhabitants and dismantled the automated defenses only to have their plans crumble as the world came under attack from pirate fleet of The Thousand-Voice Choir. The Choir, a roaming Genestealer Cult, quickly overtook the transports the Chimera Legion used to infiltrate VTT-139, stranding the Legion in the refinery complex as hybrids and thralls made landfall. With defenses shattered from their prior attack and supplies running low, the Chimera Legion fortified themselves in the main processing facility to wait for the end. After several day of digging through booby-trapped rubble, Choir forces broke through to the Legion positions only to find them abandoned. Unbeknownst to the Choir, the Legion had recognized the battle as futile the moment they lost their transport and had infected every remaining member, along with the seemingly endless multitude of servitors that worked the facility, with the Obliterator Virus. Under the onslaught of thousands of servitors turned Warp-enraged fusions of mutilated flesh and metal and seething masses of biomechanical horrors now indistinguishable from the buildings they inhabited, Choir forces were quickly overrun and abandoned by their hastily retreating ships. VTT-139, now rechristened the Cathedra Delitor, became a site of blasphemous pilgrimage for various Dark Mechanicus and technologically inclined Chaos forces and the focal point of overt Chaos activity in the sector.

>>49697387
I think we might need a few high ranking Cult members. A baseline human can do many things that an Astartes cannot when subtlety is required.

>>49696614

>>49698877
>Spy-mistress Callidora

>A daughter of Haldon, Callidora Bribed, Blackmailed and assassinated her way to the throne of her homeland, but age had already begun to take its toll upon her. When she heard of Tiankales she sought him out to learn of the dark gods. When she heard what they could offer she pledged her people to the Chimeras and herself to Tzeentch.

>Fast forward a few decades and she has become a shrivelled crone, but has been granted many powerful mutations by her god and a position as Thodos' ears by the Chimeras. She collects the information gathered by the many cults that she commands and passes this knowledge unto the council.

>>49699350
>Colonel Alarius Macrya

>One of the last surviving members of the Roethe's Rebellion uprising, this grim soldier spent years travelling the Void to incite insurrections before joining with Chimeric Cult as its military commander. Age and injuries mean he's rarely seen near the frontlines, but his novel tactics, including the use of Obliterator infected cultists as munitions factories and psyker-commanded proxy fighters, make the Chimeric Cult stand above most other Chaos warbands. Among the Legion though, many are concerned about his loyalty and question how a man who has spent several decades in service to the Ruinous Powers has seemingly avoided any mutations.

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>>49699612
Should we have, like a low council that includes these two? like there's a high council that controls the whole legion when Thodos is out of town and the low council that just deals with cultist stuff and relays orders to the cults.

>>49700406
I feel like they should just have their own little cadres under the high council members they serve, rather than getting their OWN cross-disciplinary council.

>>49700448
But then that would leave Tianakles out of any special role to play

>>49700492
Maybe Tiankales is the only one who has a cadre. since he's the one who spends the most time with the cultists it would make sense that he would find some talented individuals and have them work for him more directly.

Especially if he's a televangelist

>>49700492
How would that leave him out of his own role to play? He's still a high councilman. I thought you were speaking about exceptional humans in the cult, not just the chaff cultists.

If we're going with the assumption that Tianakles is in charge of ALL non-marines in the cult, then I don't think they should really get a "council". They can appeal ideas to Tianakles, but a council implies they'd be able to overrule him, rather than just obeying him immediately.

>>49698879

>>49700406
>>49700557
What about more of a board than a council, where the cult members on it CAN make decisions and whatnot beneath the marines, but Tianakles is its director, so to speak. so the board would make general running decision, recruitment type stuff, propaganda, and the like, but Tianakles can overrule them whenever he feels the need?

>>49700557
>>49700492
>>49700406
>>49700448
I think in this case the Low Council does the actual managing of the cult and day-to-day operations while serving as an advisory board/underlings for the High Council. To put it in perspective, Macrya has command of the Cult military forces under the command of Warpshriek, who has command of all Warband military forces. Callidora runs the Warband's intelligence operations and reports to Thodos and the High Council, but has no authority to dictate policy or operations outside of her direct control.

>>49701244
I like this idea but I feel like there shouldn't be much more obvious bureaucracy than this, otherwise cultists are going to have to fill out forms in triplicate in order to get mutations.

>>49701385
I wanted to get away from the usual "cultists are a faceless horde that exist to die" depiction and have them as valuable components of the warband. An organized, trained, and equipped fighting force, covert operations and terror cells, and extensive intelligence and counter-intelligence. There needs to be decent organization to pull that off.

>>49701565
I like this idea, but it still needs to be apparent - for all their organization - they're still a bunch of unhinged lunatics who view exploding into virus bombs as a noble sacrifice.

>>49702014
There is no real need for them to be unhinged lunatics. There isn't any use for unhinged lunatics in an army; the insane would be better utilized as bio-experiment subjects.

>>49701565
>>49702014
>>49702459
Like the idea, but I don't know about using it for the Chimera's. You have to remember, these guys are Iron Warrior successors. They don't give a shit about cultist casualties. I'd like to give them character as well past a faceless mob, but I don't think the "organized, trained, and equipped fighting force" angle works.

I'd make them more like Taliban. Focus more on "covert operations and terror cells" since unlike a marine they can infiltrate a hive city without raising eyebrows. They shouldn't be super well trained or equiped. They're expendable, but not in the way imperial guardsmen are expendable. They complete their mission and the plan ends their. If they can make it back to the chimera's then that's great, but there isn't any extraction plan for them.

>>49703244
I'm not saying they should be operators operating operationally, but that they should be an actual fighting force with training and standardized equipment.

>>49703393
>standardized equipment
>Chaos

>>49703728
I guess we're getting rid of the bolters and power armor then.

>>49703858
Chaos marines ALSO don't use standardized equipment. Standardized paint scheme maybe.

>>49704062
If they share parts and ammo they're standardized.

>>49704116
Oh if you mean like standardized parts, then yes. But if you mean the cultists will all be dressed in the same uniforms and wielding the exact same weapons then no. Even traitor guard have their bodies and equipment twisted by the warp into a ragtag panoply, and reliability goes out the window in the face of raw power.

>>49701154

>>49704820

I contributed nothing to these threads but I love Chimera lore.

>>49705911
Yea, I love it too. Been wanting to write something about them. But I'm having a hard time pinning down what to write about. I'll probably figure it out later today since its 5:30 in the morning and I pulled an all nighter

>>49695874
Just throwing down a few ideas for Orpheaus
>Ex-loyalist apothecary (thinking either Black Dragons or Praetors of Orpheus).
>Developed an obsession with mutations
>began to tamper with the geneseed being given to new recruits
>His loyalty to his work eventually eclipsed his loyalty to the Imperium
>abandoned his chapter at some point and either sought out the Chimeras or was found and recruited by them

>>49706147
Maybe they raided Mechanicus world to get new tech for fusion only to learn planet they visit os Necron Tomb world?

>>49706919
I have a feeling the obliterators would have a field day with all that Necron weaponry

>>49707485
Especially that guy who's angry treasure chest.

Do the Chimera honor their agreements when they get hired to do something?

In a world where anyone could turn on any time, someone honoring his each and every contract would quickly become one of the most usefull assets out there. No good intentions or anything, just smart marketing. If the Chimera switch during a battle, people will be much more hesitant to hire them. But if they stick with a losing side, and ignore bribes, then other warbands will be much more eager to hire them.

>>49708168
They are professionals. I doubt they'd be stupid enough to ruin their reputation for a brief slight increase in profits

>>49708487
Professionals yes, but we're talking about chaos here. A warband that always keeps their word and never turns on those who pay them? That's worth quite a lot.

Maybe the Chimera Legion has contracts with other warbands where they give them stuff, and in exchange the Chimera Legion -never- takes a contract that would pit them against said warband.

>>49708548
Will they do this with factions other than chaos or is it a chaos only thing?

>>49709321
Wait. I had an idea.

What if the Chimera Legion is actually buddy-buddy with the Tau? The Tau will pay a pretty penny in weaponry in exchange for working void-shields, navigators, and Warp Engines. Imagine an Obliterator/battlesuit hybrid that is bristling from head to toe with Railguns, pulse rifles, and equipped with jetpacks.

It might be a regular thing for them. Occasionally passing by Tau space to drop off a cargo of uncorrupted technology and pick up a shipload of battlesuits, Ion, and plasma weaponry.

>>49709430
The Tau aren't just going to hand out their advanced weaponry and gear to a bunch of mercs. Not when it's easier to get Imperial tech direct from corrupt officials and traders.

>>49708548
That was one of the big unique points of the Chimera Legion we established in the early threads. The honor of Thodos dictates they never go back on an agreement or double-cross and employer.

>>49709529
Enough navigators to set up a breeding programme might get them to part with it. The Tau would -love- to tap into the Astronomicon.

>>49695798
Oh hey, somebody did it. Was just about to post it myself

>>49705831

>>49700448
I like that idea.

>>49709529
It might be less of a case of getting shit and more of a case of creating another danger for the Imperium to deal with that ISN'T the Tau empire

>>49707485
Actually, Obliterators fuse with weapons right? could an obliterator fuse with a necron? If so who would control that?

>>49709559
But would the chimeras have that many navigators to spare?

>>49710439
I don't think that ever happened but it's really interesting idea.

I think there needs to be a distinction between the Chimeric Army and Cult, you'd think they'd create a fighting force out of plebs for competent henchmen

>>49712282
The cults are probably a collection of large groups with a lower general skill, whereas the chimeric army is a smaller group that has a higher average skill. Marines are more likely to be made from members of the army

>>49712282
>>49712683
The cults are the one who preform menial labor and are on par with a chapter serf. The army is on par with imperial guardsmen(or maybe stormtroopers, idk) in skill of arms and are the ones that are normally chosen for infiltration, recon and actual combat.

>>49709906

>>49712953
I'd say the army is closer to stormtroopers as the Chimeras would probably need a band of slightly more competent cultists to do important things. Meanwhile the cultists get through in the meat grinder

>>49712683
>>49712953
I would say that the Army is about penal guard/PDF power, but makes up for skill and equipment with consistency and numbers. The cult is trashmobs for everyone. Tarpits, daemon bait, meat Shields, bomb, etc

Invariably, because this is still a mercenary outfit there is still going to be a few normies with better gear and skill than most. Abhumans, psykers, traitor guard, beastmen, etc.

As for the break down for humans I would say the vast Majority falls under the High Prophessor, with the army falling under the High Commander, and the psykers falling into various covens lorded over by the High Seer. The High Fleshaper and Warsmith pluck out cultists as necessary

bump

>>49714190
Yeah, I think this is reasonable

>>49716315

What's the Abhuman count amongst the cult and army? I figure Beastmen would be plentiful

>>49717689
Goat men and lionmen? Hell yeah. Are snake men a thing?

Also did anyone archive the last thread?

>>49717820
I don't think anyone is archiving these things. At least nobody said they were and I can't find them.

So yea, that's a bunch of info probably down the toilet.

>>49717972
They're archived bud, dont worry. Give me a sec to find the link

>>49717972
>>49718023
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>49715724

>>49717820
The DE have a race of snake people (Xenos called Sslyth) that help them out. And the Sslyth are mercenaries so it's certainly possible that the Chimeras could have a few knocking about.

>>49714190
This works

>>49720609
But how friendly should we be with Xenos? Orks may be off the menu completely due to Da Blakk Fangz

>>49721427
I think we'd be friendly to anyone who could conceivably hire the Chimeras. and even then only with certain elements. So the entirety of the Eldar the Necrons The Orks and the Tyranids would be off limits while some Tau and some DE covens would be fine with us/ hire us on occasion.

>>49721745
So Xenos membership is a go amongst the army? Kroot, Tallerians and the like?

>>49722808
More like auxilia, I'd think. Only human cultists would be mad enough to give themselves over to the kind of tactics that the Legion uses. Though if a merc company is willing to do some dirty work that the Legion doesn't feel like spending man power on or taking responsibility for, they'll happily pay out.

Of course that's just me speaking realistically. I think there's a real like of Chaos Xenos in warbands, so if people want to throw in Chaos Kroot and the like I'll back it.

>>49723429
I feel that Kroot would really fit the Chimeras general aesthetic with the physical alterations and all. There might be a few Kroot mercenary companies that work for the Chimeras, but they'd probably be there less to help with military actions and more as something for the fleshsmiths to observe and occasionally dissect when one dies.

They may be able to sway a few over to chaos but I'm not entirely sure what they could offer that would make the Kroot accept

>>49719698

Did we ever pin down exactly what happened that caused the Chimeras to be understrength?
Not like what type of thing happened but actually pinned down, who's warband did it, when it happened that sort of thing

>>49726422
We had it pinned down before but we changed the Warband a bit too much for it to work now. It was something involving Perturabo

>>49723641
>>49723429
Kroot and Ssylth/DEldar auxilia would work just fine

>>49726422
Not really

>>49727713
The dispute of iron is what say Theodorus out of the Iron Warriors, not what saw the Chimera Legion getting smaller

>>49723429
>>49723641
Due to the more lucid nature of the Chimeric Army members, deeply ingrained prejudices mostly preclude Xenos outside of mercenaries out allied forces unless directed by a Legion member. Within the Cult, however, Chaos worshiping Xenos can be found.

Also, fuck yeah, Chaos Kroot.

>>49726422
>>49727713
In the original thread is was something like Perturabo having a autistic fit that someone else managed to make it to a Daemon Prince and starting a fight.

>>49728403
We've reshuffled thay to where his ascendancy happened after the Iron Warriors civil war, the Dispute of Iron.

Also the Chimeras aren't very dogmatic, I don't think xenos are so out of the question

>>49728558
It's not that they're dogmatic, it's just that a lot the cult army comes from Imperial worlds and have spent their life prejudiced against Xenos. The Legion members don't care, as bodies are bodies, and the cult itself is more concerned about service to the Dark Gods than species.

>>49728558
>>49728382
There doesn't need to be a defined cause for the Chimera Legion being understrength. They have the same problem all SCM have in that they can't easily replace losses due to being cut off from the infrastructure to make new geneseed and the deleterious effects of Chaos of the process of making new space marines. It'd also explain why the Chimera Legion utilizes it's cult the way it does instead of treating them like a nuisance to throw in front of the enemy like other warbands.

>>49728865
Not to mention the actual marine section of the Warband is already a small, elite force. They've probably lost marines to natural attrition and Chaos Lords who thought they could abuse the Legion's trust.

They don't anymore.

>>49729128
I wouldn't categorize them as a small, elite force, but they're definitely not suffering an excess of battle brothers.

>>49730082

>>49695798
Does anyone know what happens if you give a psyker the Obliterator virus?

>>49732820
The subject instantly becomes a single snowflake


Joking aside it's an interesting prospect

>>49732944
I had the idea for a character that is a psyker who infected himself with the Oblit virus but instead of bonding himself to a bunch of weapons and his armor he's been getting his hands on as many psy-foci and psychic amplifers as he can and jamming them into himself.

>>49733177
And Ends up looking like Space Godzilla?

What if that happened to Navaros, Dauntless Mind? The ship

>>49733212
I think Navaros, Dauntless Mind would be something different. This dude is just trying to gearqueer himself into an Alpha-level psyker.

>>49733424
That's actually possible via Psybernetics. Maybe he's just a normie that wanted magic powers and bought his way into thr Ironchosen's good graces, but could only fit enough psybernetics to bend a fork with his mind, do he goes to High Fleshshaper Orphaeus to get some OV, and Arlek keeps stuffing Psybernetics into him at Paraphron's behest, because honestly they both want to see what would happen. Eventually he becomes a walking, insane, psycanon, so they give him to the sorcerer covens because they don't know what to do with him and the wizards think he's fucking hilarious

>>49734194
I like it, but he needs more personal agency. I imagine he's all about wraithbone and Eldar tech too.

>>49734319
He would probably really hate the necrons, too, due to the whole soulless thing.

>>49734426
Gotta bulk up that brain to fight them robots.

Hmm, maybe Orphaeus melds a bunch of dissected psyker brains into this guy too.

>>49734464
Maybe he's somewhat obssessed with finding out the secrets to the tyranids' extremely strong presence in the warp? To the point of grafting on their fallen brains?

I imagine that he has brain problems in the vein of the butcher's nails crossed with MPD, but still enough to function, just like Angron.

>>49734473
I don't know about the MPD, seems like a too easy route to take.

>>49734610
Doesn't have to be a few well-defined personalities, could be a whole lot of noise. Perhaps more schizophrenia than MPD, but with the voices actually having a physical basis in reality.

>>49734632
Do you mean that they have some sort of effect on reality(with the dude being a physker and all) or that there's a physical reason they exist

>>49735302
Could be both. Former for the reason you mentioned (plus the fact that they were once psykers themselves), latter for the fact that they come from and still physically exist in grafted-on alien brains.

So how would this fit into the Organics+tech thing we have going? Where does tech fit in?

>>49735318
probably all the Psy-foci and psychic amplifiers mentioned earlier. though he's probably fused with a few normal weapons accidentally.

>>49736002
maybe throw in some Psycannons as well.

This guy is starting to sound like a giant snowflake

>>49736960
Maybe he's covered in ice then, because he's using his entire body as a cooling system.

Naturally this leads to barrages of soul fuelled icy death whenever he sneezes at anyone.

>>49737071
I think he meant special snowflake. Could be wrong though, he might have been talking about an actual snowflake.

>>49736960
>>49737418

How exactly is he a snowflake?

>>49737418
I meant special snowflake. I think he either works as an anecdote or just straight psybernetics. None of this eldar or necron stuff

>>49737881
Are you joking? Read this
>>49736491
>>49734473
>>49734464
>>49734426
And tell me it isn't sooper speshul

>>49737908
I dunno, I think the idea of someone whose body is made of Obliterator fleshmetal, pysker brainmatter and ice is quite cool.

Unfortunately he never sees that much combat because all his body is dangerously unstable and he's terminally insane (think William Birkin but with more ice). Also he's prone to flash freezing everything explosively if he gets a migraine.

>>49737908
For starters one of your posts is talking about a different character, secondly "psyker marine using the Obliterator virus (in an Obliterator cult I might add) to cram himself full of psybernetics to boost his powers who also gets experimented on by the guy in his warband who does the biological experiments" isn't special snowflake.

>>49738077
I think the implication that he's got wraithbone stuck in him is a bit sueish as is some of the Tyranid stuff. it's maybe a better thing to not add too much to a character

>>49738826
Do just stick with Psybernetics, brains and the odd warp-fuelled gun, right?

I'd say his ice manipulation comes from the fact he was originally a Space Wolf Rune Priest who followed the Chimeras after he went full Digganob in the hope that he'd be cured.

What actually happened was that Orphaeus used him as a brainmeat holder and gave him a dose of Obliterator Virus.

>>49738957
>>49738826

I'd drop the ice before the wraithbone honestly. It's not a stretch to see a CSM getting his hands on some wraithbone.

>>49738051
The ice thing is actually kinda interesting.

>>49738957
I'd say they just starting stuffing cryogenics in him because he Gets Hot. He's basically a psychic Plasma Gun

>>49739261
Or ya know.

Just not use the Wraith bone. You want Elves just use DEldar auxilia

>>49739417
There are no elves, just wraithbone shoved into the guy to see if it amplifies his psychic powers.

>>49739485
But lets not do that. Brains and part I only pls

>>49739499

>>49739417
So one of his things is drinking plasma weapon coolant?

Well there have been worse ideas.

>>49740581
Whoa! Never said that, holy shit. I'm saying they would have literally put cooling reactors in him

This psuedo psyker is extremely dangerous, but exceedingly destructive

>>49697832
I think the Obliterator Virus usually takes years to develop in a person, transforms the body very slowly, and is usually really hard to catch. Otherwise there'd be Obliterators running around all over the place.
Cool story though.

>>49741564
We can assume that Orphaeus wanted the Virus to be more fast acting,..so he infused it with Polymorphine..that seems to have sped up the the rate of transformation quite a bit.

>>49701565
>>49702014
>>49703244
>>49703393

I like to think that the cults that follow them are really big, and they recruit from those cults to get a group of trained, disciplined infantry. Usually they'll pick former Guardsmen, but also anybody that shows promise. These are the ones that they invest fighting mutations into, to make them a cut above the average Guardsman.
The rest of the cult serves as disposable cannon fodder and suicide bombers.
Let's face it, if they give you a big tentacle arm, you're not going to be trying to infiltrate the imperium (the mutant underworld, maybe). You're gonna be on the front lines.

>>49741604
>>49741564
OR. HOW'S ABOUT THIS

IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE HE'S HAD THE VIRUS

HOW DOES THAT SOUND

IS THAT REASONABLE

>>49706887
I like this. There should be at least one High Council member that didn't start out an Iron Warrior, if only to show that they're willing to take anybody.

>>49741677
Or we could do that if we didn't want to do things the more interesting way.

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>>49707485
>>49708127
If you look at his picture on the 1d4chan page, I actually tried to draw a Necron Staff of Light in his back.
He can't use any of the ranged attacks or powers that it has, but a phase blade is a phase blade. Plus it probably pisses off Necron Lords to see him using their ancient, highly advanced technology just to smack people with.

>>49709430
>>49709529
In the first Ciaphas Cain book, they talk about how Tau are much less tolerant of disorder than humans.
>"They crave stability, and are terrified at the prospect of any loss of order. In fact, it would be no exaggeration to say that, for them, it's as disturbing as we would find an eruption of Chaos"
I think that the Tau are one of the least likely factions to hire out from Chaos. It's way, way too unpredictable.

That being said, on the subject of aliens and mercenaries, what about the Kroot? They're more than willing to work for whoever pays them. Who's to say that they don't slip some Tau tech to the Chimera Legion on the side?

>>49741662
Didn't see this >>49714190
until now, pretty much what I was thinking but I think with the mutations considered, they're maybe a hair above guardsmen?

>>49728865
I kinda figured that Thodos and his dudes were in the minority when the Dispute of Iron happened, so in addition to however many were killed, it was only a small chunk of the original Legion to start with.
So they started under strength to begin with, and have been building themselves up ever since.

>>49741677
Wait, since who had the virus? I just meant that all the servitors probably wouldn't have been able to turn into full-on Obliterators in two weeks.

>>49741564
I couldn't find anything how how long it takes an Obliterator to mature and that it's faster with willing infectees, but I assume that in this case they were mainlining Obliterator blood. Plus you only need to reach stage four of an infection to start melding with machinery.

>>49742164
I don't know why, but I find the idea of somebody mainlining Obliterator blood to be hilarious.

>Hey! Hey, kid! Yeah, you! You wanna grow some knives outta your fuckin hands?
>Nah kid, first one's free. Blood for the Blood God.

>>49742212
This sounds like something Tiankales would do

>>49742151
Sorry, I thought we were talking about Frostie the Psuedopsyker Abomination Snowman

>>49741950
Kroot, Sslyth, Dark Eldar, Tarellians, Hrud, etc

It's all kosher in the Chimeric Army. The masses of the cult tend to be a little more xenophobic since they're often taken from Imperial worlds, and it's easier for Tianakles to keep control of their minds

>>49742212
>Drink your Obliterator blood, boy.
>But dad, I don't wanna be an Obliterator.
>Gods damn it, boy, this here is an Obliterator household! You'll drink that Obliterator blood until I see guns sticking out of your face or Khorne help you!
>Screw you Dad, I got a plan! I'm going be a sorcerer; me and Jenny are gonna travel the void opening Warp portals and bring worlds to ruin! I'm outta here, old man.
>This is all your fault, Edith, filling his head with is "follow your dreams" and "free will isn't a cruel illusion."
>Oh don't blame all this on me, Frank. The Changer of Ways has a plan for us all and who are we to question it?
>8000 years, 8000 years we've been together and not once have you ever backed me up!
>Insecurities aren't sexy, Frank.
>Neither is a gut on a woman, but there you are.
>Fuck you, I wish I had married Khlad the Fleshripper.
>I wish you had too.

>>49742431
Chaos sitcom? Chaos sitcom.

>>49742431
>Frank, Jenny and Edith
Perfect chaos names

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>>49728403
>Chaos Kroot

Let me tell you what I have seen.
I know, now, what the Shapers have kept hidden from us. They saw the edge of a great truth, but they were afraid, and they turned away. But I have tasted the flesh of those forbidden to us. I see the truth.
The Kroot fight for coin. Anywhere and everywhere, we sell our blades to anyone who will pay. But for what? What can we hope to earn but greater weapons, to sell ourselves at higher price? And on and on it goes, and the fighting never ends. It can never end.
I have been shown the lies we have fought for. The lies we tell ourselves every day. We do not fight for coin; wealth is worthless here, useful only to keep track of how long we have battled. No, in a galaxy consumed by war, the only currency worth anything, is blood.
If the Kroot are to prosper, we must acknowledge this truth. All else is half-measure.

-Rakkom, Taker of Skulls

I can't believe we're trying to make an Obliterator with ice powers just because somebody called him a Special Snowflake

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>>49744783
Would it be impossible for either Orpheaus or one of his fellow fleshsmiths to be basically an honorary shaper to a group of chaos kroot? Or would that be exceedingly unlikely

>>49749471
Lets call that extremely unlikely. Chaos Xenos of any kind are kind of a rarity to begin with

>>49698879
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>>49713481
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>>49748866
What the fuck is up with these blank posts? Are they just bumps?

>>49750587
Either that or indications of agreement

>>49750620
>>49750587
Bumps in place of fluff, an irritating but helpful practice.

How's about we go into the actual tennants of the Chimera Dogma?

>>49750802
Alright. Like what kind of stuff?

>>49751214
some religious stuff, views on certain creatures and some tactics outside of what has previously been established?

>>49751838
>certain creatures
They likely see Tyranids as a serious threat, but also something to draw on for their own mutations. After all, if they've evolved to be the best at what they do, why not copy them? Acid spitters, flesh hooks, rending claws, all with that extra touch of Chaos.
They're probably super chill with Kroot, since they have the same kind of "body modification to improve effectiveness" schtick as well as the mercenary thing. Tau-allied Kroot are likely forbidden from working with them, but any freelance Kroot are fine.

>tactics
I had an idea earlier about a special platoon of human soldiers, all well-trained veterans, who are engineered to explode into lashing tentacles when they die. The Chimera Legion sends these guys in when they've got a suicide mission that requires more skill than a regular suicide cultist would have.
They're like a balance of effectiveness and disposability. I'm not sure what qualifies a veteran to join this platoon. It could be volunteers, or it could be repenting for a crime against the Chaos Gods (like the Sisters Repentia, but somehow less fucked up).

>>49751838
How about a Chaos Spawn that's literally a chimera? Like, they fused three guys together into something with a lion-like head, a horned head, and a serpent head, and now they treat it almost like a mascot? Like, Thodos's pet?

>>49752730
I think we did give one of the high councilmen a pet Chaos Spawn. Like a quality spawn, real good loyal pet. Who'd we give it to, though? I think it was the high apothecary. Or maybe Tianakles.

>>49752904
The ideas I remember were a pet called the Bandersnatch for Archanon and a collection of chaos spawn for Tiankales, but no one seemed to notice/be a fan of the second idea

>>49752974
I think Bandersnatch would be pretty cool. But what would he look like?

>>49754110
>>49752974
Maybe we can be less on the nose about the name?

And i thiught it would be a warp beast

>>49752419
The veteran suicide bombers doesn't make much sense honestly. They split from the Iron Warriors because they needlessly killed hundreds of troops, willingly sacrificing veterans that they can turn into Space Marines makes Thodos look like a hypocrite. Plus that sounds too much like Eversors

>>49754110
Maybe he should be the chimera-looking spawn? Face like a daemonic lion, with a serpent tail and a weird skinless goat head between its shoulders.

>>49754163
Maybe there should be"
>the droves of regular, faceless cultists
>the "stormtrooper" cultists who have distinguished themselves and are basically kapos to the lesser cultists and answer directly to the marines.
>and the cultists who have failed spectacularly but have somehow not died, so are allowed to "redeem themselves" (as Tianakles likes to say) by becoming living bombs.

>>49754262
Yeah, that basically how we had it in the other threads anyway

>>49754281
yeah, cept all the suiciders were cultists as opposed to members of the army

>>49754163
>>49754262
>>49754469
Well, my idea was that it would be a very small group, up to like 50 dudes in the whole army, and they're only used in very specific scenarios where they'd be useful. Or, they're only created when there's a need for them, but they have a specific name.
Since the Chimeras excell in unorthodox warfare, I think they'd have a lot of small, highly specialized groups waiting around for whenever they need them.
Plus, they're only going to be recruiting a very small number from the cult to be Space Marines. These would be people who didn't quite make the cut. And again, this would just be a single platoon.
I also don't think they're too much like Eversors. They'd be much, MUCH less effective, and Eversors have a lot more going on with them than "they explode when they die".

And is that why they split from the Iron Warriors? I thought it was just a dispute over bio-tech vs robotics and a general power struggle. I don't think the Chimeras have much of a problem with sending in waves of cultist cannon fodder.

>>49755169
>And is that why they split from the Iron Warriors? I thought it was just a dispute over bio-tech vs robotics and a general power struggle. I don't think the Chimeras have much of a problem with sending in waves of cultist cannon fodder.

Nope. I'm too lazy to be arsed to quote the other threads but it basically revolves around an Iron Warrior Sergeant named Theodorus Rex.

And he thought this was bullshit. By this I mean the Great Crusade, The Iron Cage, The Dispute of Iron, all of it.

He saw just how autistic Perturabo was, and how dearly his legion payed for it. He hated that their bodies were worth nothing, both to the Imperium and the Primarch, how soldiers were used as needless canon fodder. Now he enjoyed the Heresy as much as the next traitor, but that smug autistic fuck Perty decided to pull off the Iron Cage. Now, Theodorus enjoyed kicking the Fists in the dick as much as the next Iron Warrior, but he knew there was a better way to go about things.

Then the Dispute of Iron happened, where everyone got to have their say. Unfortunately he, along with some other factions, got blown the fuck out.

Tired of the backstabbing, the needless sacrifice of fellow marines, and wasteful use of human soldiers (granted he does to still see them as a resource, not as equals or brothers like his marines), Theo R. said "Fuck this, I'm making my own legion, with blackjack and hookers." and went off to create a brotherhood that he could be proud of, and that marines could feel esprit de corps within

>>49755323
>"The world calls for wetwork, and we answer, no greater evil, no unjust cause."

>>49755323
Unfortunately sometime during the Dispute, his friend and former mentor a Warsmith named Arlek, """"""""""accidentally"""""""""" exposed him to the Obliterator Virus. Now Theodorus liked to talk to other legions whenever he could, and one of the most profound moments of his life was when he spoke with a Thousand Son in the throes of the Flesh Change. The marine imparted what wisdom he had left, speaking of the importance of strength of will, and how it saved him from total de-evolution. This came in handy when Theodorus was stricken with virus, able to mitigate its effects on his mind for years until his ascendancy

>>49755323
Why does Thodos hate the Iron Cage? Tactically it seems like an amazing feat in devastating enemy forces while minimizing your own casualties.

>>49755582
>Tactically it seems like an amazing feat in devastating enemy forces while minimizing your own casualties.
But the guy who commanded it was STILL a retarded-spiky-potato-manbaby. So Thodos KNOWS he could have done a better job.

>>49755622
The Iron Cage was pure genius and one of Perturabo's greatest moments. Let's not get it twisted either, Perturabo may be a big ball of rage but he is incredibly smart and extremely good at what he does, it's what he's known for. Theo saying that he could do it even better would make him look like a douche and a blowhard

>>49755622
Behold Thodos' train of thought
>Iron Cage commanded by Perturabo
>Perturabo a stupid
>Iron Cage a stupid thing that I could have handled better no matter what Arlek says

>>49755582
IT WAS A FUCKING DICK MEASURING CONTEST ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!

>>49755622
>>49755804
>>49755830
I really don't think Thodos would hate the Iron Cage. He may hate Perturabo for a lot of reasons, but it just doesn't make sense for something like that to upset him.
There's almost three thousand years in between the Horus Heresy and the Dispute of Iron. Plenty of time for other stuff to drive him away from Perturabo. Let's not latch onto the Iron Cage for a reason just because it's what the Iron Warriors are known for.

>>49755804
It's perhaps less of a case of how well the battle was fought and more of a case that the battle was fought at all. Thodos could view the whole Iron cage as a dick swinging match between Perturabo and Dorn. You'd be pissed off if people you know died cause two dudes had to prove who had the bigger dick

>>49755930
And it nearly crippled the Imperial Fists and left the Iron Warriors almost completely unscathed. Dick-measuring or not, it was a clear victory for Perturabo, and something the Iron Warriors would be proud of.

>>49755582
>>49755622
>>49755804
>>49755830
Well, we've established that Thodos is insane, but good at hiding it.

But on the Iron Cage, I don't think Thodos had a problem with it. In fact, that was probably the last time Thodos was proud to be an Iron Warrior. It stands as a monument to what the Iron Warriors could be if Perturabo wasn't a lazy shit who purposely fractures his legion "to weed out the weak"

>>49755936
And then some random blue attention whore fucked 'em both up the ass and made you look even more stupid.

>>49755936
But they're Chaos. Fucking over the Imperium is pretty much what they live for.

>>49755964
...I don't remember the Tau being there

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>>49756012
Pretty sure you're just pretending to be retarded but just in case...

>>49755963
I gotta say I like this idea more than "Thodos hates Iron cage just cuz"

Something we have to remember is that Theodorus/Thodos had/has a huge fucking ego. It doesn't matter how clever the Iron Cage was. It doesn't matter how effective the Iron Warriors were in siege warfare. It doesn't matter how great their contribution was on Terra. Thodos could have done it better, with fewer resources and in less time with almost zero casualties.

While he does have some good ideals especially in areas of brotherhood and the pursuit of excellence, he has a giant ego, and as time went by while he was a mortal he got kinda fucking crazy, but he knows hes crazy so he makes efforts to chanel his burgeoning insanity into showmanship and passion on the battlefield

>>49755936
I think this is the best option. Someone he knew, and knew well got killed because Pert didn't like Dorn.

>>49755936
I think it was less of a dick swinging contest than Perturabo coming up with a plan to release all that pent up hate for Dorn that he saved up during the crusade

>>49756743
I honestly fail to see how that's any better

>>49756135
Well said.

>>49757362

So what else is there to work on?

>>49761272
Immortalizing ourself on 1d4chan with an actual, quality page.

token anon made something

>>49761749
>>49761706

Some questions I have, I've only bumped the page for you guys but never really contributed

>Does the legion have any planets under their control?

>Why are they short on marines for the moment?

>How exactly did Theodorus ascend again?

>Who are really close allies with the Chimeras?

>Since the legion uses an even balance of cybernetics/augmentations and grafting/Mutation how prevalent are Dreadnoughts?

>How do they get new marines?

>What's the typical load out for a marine?

>>49761950
No

Fucking job scavving. Also they're never very big to begin with

God's favor. He has no real idea why.

Anybody who wants dough.

Not very, but we might have some. Obliterators are our main shtick, and that's enough crazy to shepherd around without Hellbrutes in the mix.

Cultists distinguishing themselves in very specific parameters.

An un-augmented one? Whatever gets the job done. Probably your good ol' fashioned bolter, or maybe a plasma gun.

>>49762085
Scratch that. We have RECRUITING worlds, but those are just a draw for cultists. We're mostly fleet-based, we're not big on "holding" territory.

>>49762097
Yea, recruiting worlds are just places we stop by to pick up cultists on occasion. We don't own them or anything, since that would mean dedicating manpower to defend the planet. Easier to just have a fleet and pick people up as we go.

>>49762623
Are any of these worlds former imperial planets we helped "liberate" ?

>>49762085
He ascended "just cause"?
Thats some bullshit. We should have a reason for his ascenscion. The dark gods need a reason for even looking at him and also for ascending him into demonhood.
For example he and his warband could've been in a really dire situation and Theodorus barely keeping them all alive with his exceptional leadership but it still doesn't suffice in the face of certain death and then... boom he ascends and the chimaera legion gets to see another day.

>>49764775
The point isn't that he doesn't know what he did to ascend, it's that he knows what he could have done to ascend, but he is not sure which/why he has ascended

>>49764775
The standing reason is that after the Dispute he had few men and even fewer resources, but he was still able to route a larger Imperial force and Institute a crushing victory

But as for what Thodos himself believes...

>>49765432
He ain't sure

>>49766188
Well he's also crazy as hell, so he's never really sure what to believe

bump

>>49767762

Are chaos Ogryns a thing? Imagine the mutations you could put on a hulk like that.

>>49769429
Obliterator Ogryns?

>>49769657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ZS27Tmj58

>>49769429
Aaaand now I'm having flashbacks to plague ogryns.

>>49769657
>Obliterator Ogryns?
>Hugemongous great masses of weapons that can rip you to pieces.
>They still sleep with teddy bears nestled in the shifting masses of barrels and mechanisms that make up their arms and they need someone to hold their hand in transit to a mission because they don't like the dark.
>But woe betide you if you hurt their caretaker.

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Alright kiddies, as requested, here's Thodos. I didn't do any flavor text, so you should fill that in accordingly. There's a wiki formatted version on my userpage on 1d4chan, so when/if you guys decide to put the rules on one of your pages, just copypasta from there.

==Thodos==

PTS: 333
WS: 7
BS: 7
S: 6
T: 6
W: 4
I: 7
A:
LD: 10
SV: 3+/5++

Unit Type: 1, Unique, Monstrous Creature.

Equipment: Fleshmetal Armor, Manticore's Spines.

Special Rules: Daemon, Deep Strike, Fear, Fearless, Morphic Arsenal, Stubborn Pride, Warping Flesh.

Warlord Trait: Unholy Fortitude.

Fleshmetal Armor: Thodos gains a 3+ armor save, and may reroll failed armor and invuln save rolls of 1.

Manticore's Blade: Gain 2 S5 AP- Attacks at I10 in melee.

Morphic Arsenal: Each turn, choose one melee and one ranged weapon from the following lists. You can't use the same weapon two turns in a row.
Melee: Chainfist, Lightning Claw, Power Axe, Power Lance, Power Maul, Power Sword.''
Ranged: Assault Cannon, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter, Havoc Launcher, Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer, Lascannon, Rocket Launcher.

Stubborn Pride: If taken, Thodos must be your warlord.

Warping Flesh: Thodos is a Mastery Level 2 psyker, and may only roll for Biomancy powers.

Unholy Fortitude: (Warlord Trait, Black Crusade Suppliment) Grants Thodos the It Will Not Die special rule.

>>49770322
So would the obliterator virus just take the Ogryns standard behavior to the extreme? Like super autism or something?

>>49770533
They'd probably just be bit freaking gun golems at that point.

>>49770570
Crunchwise all of their guns get the the twin-linked rule...and now any twin-linked guns they could grow are quad-linked.

>"PIECEMAKER!"

>>49770597
Yeah, but if we're talking crunch, you never get to reroll a rerolled die, so it's largely irrelevant.

>>49770623
Bugger.

>>49770509
Holy shit!

He's a fucking monster!

How would you simulate his jihad death blast though?

>>49770682
I didn't even know he had a jihad death blast. Didn't want to read through the entire chimera legion page, which is why each character should have their own page.

>>49770509
Not sure how he lost the attack stat, but it's supposed to be 5.

>>49770509
Dude, what the shit are those Knight rules on your userpage? Those are great! Fucking four horsemen of the apocalypse as chaos knights? They seem overpowered though.

>>49770860
They're just something I'm working on for the HkH guys.

>They seem overpowered though.
Look a little closer. They're crazy powerful, yes, but you also have more than 500 points tied up in a unit with 6-8 hull points. Even ignoring death half the time as they do, they're still pretty fragile for a 500 point model. Also, as scary as their rules are, they'll draw fire like nothing short of a Reaver Titan will, so they need that durability buff. Glad you like them though.

>>49770719
He has a Jihad Death Blast.

Just read the second writefaggotry, which is actually a fun read

>>49771171
There. Taken care of. Just copypasta off my userpage when you guys are ready. I'm off. Peace.

>>49771908
Thanks statman!

>>49771908
Wait where is it?

>>49771171
Seems like it.

Roll for rule of their homeworld.

>>49772395
Pardon?

They don't have one m8

>>49772395
Are you looking for this?
>>49768958

>>49772080
It's on my userpage on 1d4chan.

>>49770597
Jesus Christ

>As the sigil of Arlek is that of the Lion, Silas the Iron Skull, Orphaeus the Sigil of Tainted Life, Tianakles the Ram, it is the Viper that is the icon of the wizard covens of the Chimeras. Rarely trusted and usually kept at an arms length by all but the dogmatic and religious. Chimeric sorcerers, like most Chimeras outside of the cult and armed forces, serve to further the research and study of the legion. While the forces of Arlek provide cold science and metal and Orphaeus artistic passion and flesh and genes, those covens underneath the lording gaze of Archanon offer black knowledge and daemon binding, binding creatures of the warp into Daemon Engines and Daemonhosts. Occasionally the seers will share more than simple cabal alchemy and offer prophetic visions to lead the legion to greater glory and riches.

>Of course there are more than a few sorcerers that are little better than the other mercenaries, and wouldn't waste their time mingling magic with science and instead lend their skills to the battlefield.

>>49774185
Nice

>>49774185
So they're basically just demonolgist scientists?

How's the Bandirwyrd as a name for Archanon's pet?