First for Dark Mechanicus

>Orks are a melee race
>I2

First for Squats over the Summer.

>>49742120
Youtube batrepts, for education, inspiration, procrastination and background noise.

>Strikingscorpion82
Great if you don't fall asleep with the slides of text.

>WintersSEO
Best of the best. Nice chap that loves his Space Marines.

>Geeks40kchannel
Another brit with great batreps.

>TabletopTactics
Toppest of top. Guest appearances from other brit gamers.

>TheLegionWargaming
Great quality batreps

>Guerrilla Miniatures
Top tier batreps and not just 40k.

>GrimResolve
New channel, great batreps.

>Peter Crawford
Slow motion autism.

>MiniWarGaming
Autism made a job. Mediocre-tier but tons of videos. Quantity over quality.

>TheGlacialGeek
Medium-tier batreps.A filler that's better than nothing.

>AceFace
Occassional batreps with good production value.

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>>49742120
Found something that sums up Crons. Also, chances Traitor Guard and Dark AdMech rumors being true?

>>49742185
I wish Eons of Battle didn't die off. Their basing tutorials were great.

>>49742220
Considering a model designer who does vehicles was working overtime on an army he'd never worked on before, could be good.

Either that or Orks or Sisters of Battle.

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I'd love to get some feedback if I could.

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Can someone post a bretty good 1000pt Death Korps of Krieg siege army or just general advice?

>>49742347
Awful formatting.

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Is the Lord Comissar worth the points in any way?

>>49742422
Not really, if only you could give him a special weapon to make use of his BS 5.

>>49742185
Which ones actually show the dice rolling outside of Miniwargaming and Tabletop Tactics?

I have a hard time getting into it unless I see the dice in action.

>>49742422
Isn't he a big bubble of ld 10 + stubborn?

>>49742482
Emperors Benediction is pretty dope for 5 points, no?

>>49742422
Park him on a ADL with HWT buddies

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I am thinking about ways to build a Deathwatch list but I don't know how to make good kill teams.

Anyone have ideas or insight into how to build effective kill teams?

There are just so many combinations and weapon options!

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To everyone saying that Thousand Sons are not going to be their own faction: I'm pretty sure they're going to be.

>>49742185
guys miniwargaming isn't bad. there's no reason not to include the beatmattbatreps in these lists

>>49742546
What time (PST) does GW update the US for preorder?

>>49742546
>Instead of X Daemonkin they do the actual traitor legions
>Tzeench Daemonkin = 1kSons
>Slaanesh Daemonkin = Emp's Children
>Nurgle Daemonkin = Death Guard

Does anyone have a 7th ed Space Marine Codex that's a good scan as opposed to the slightly off version floating around the aether?

>>49742482

He can take a BOLTER

The Long War is fucking awful.

Rob Baer is fucking dyslexic and mispronounces words left and right. Kenny Boucher is a mega douche. Just look at his facial hair.

>>49742605
And the Emperors Benediction which is a Heavy Bolter stat pistol with Precision shot. For 5 points

>>49742482

Just get him manning an emplaced weapon.

I always smile when I imagine a Bloodthirster reaching down and using his fingertips to aim a quad-gun on an Aegis line. Gotta use that BS10.

>>49742174
ass to grass?

>>49742808
Wtf?

>>49742577
>implying it won't be:
>Thousand Sons
>World Eaters
>Death Guard
>Brazen Beasts
>Renegade's Rage: A World Eaters Supplement
>Black Legion
>Skyrar's Dark Wolves
>World Eaters 9th Edition
>Slaanesh removed from the setting in preparation for Disney buyout

>>49742808
Everything about this is bad.

>>49742808
I giggled

>>49742546
People saying Thousand Sons aren't going to be their own faction are ignorant retards. The one faggot was arguing that there was no way GW would release a variant space marine codex because GSC.

40kg, would you accept Ork Mekboyz as a viable Counts-As for an Ordo Xenos Inquisitor's Jakero Weaponsmiths?

>>49742932
No.

>>49742932
Accepting counts-as models is entirely dependant on my terms with the other player and the setting, it is not usually a question that can be so easily defined.

That being said outside a tournament I tend to go pretty easy on the counts-as players, especially if the models are either well done or good conversions.

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>>49742932
>Orks are great weaponsmiths!
>bs2

>>49742347
>Murder Sword
why.jpeg
I would get rid of it, since it's just a powersword with Powerfist stats against the 1 guy.

also you forgot to chose, which force weapon you're wielding

Noise Marines w/ CCW, a waste of points when you can have more Sonic Blasters, since you're putting the Chaos Lord with them, but since troop 2 has Sorcerer they do not really need CCW
Icon of Excess is ok, a choice between More sonic blasters or survival.
>Melta-Bomb on Troop Champ
a Maybe. Get more Sonic Blasters. BRING THE NOISE!

Heldrakes. do as you will

Sonic Dread is ok, but you can do better than that if you have the points.

also, next time write the list out, so we are not looking at every single bullet. 1d4chan has a page about writing army lists

>>49742932
Yeah, easily, as long as the rest of the retinue wasn't also counts as Orks, so.I could tell them apart. I use kitbashed servitors for mine.

>>49742949
>>49742966
>>49742973

I was going more for the Jakeros tinkering with everything they could get their hands on, over their ability to actually shoot guns themselves. The conversions would be for casual games.

Is it really that bad of an idea?

Choosing an army, narrowed it down to Blood Angels or Deathwatch. Don't really care about tournaments.

Opinions?

>>49742973
Jokes aside, sometimes Orkz pull stuff off that even the AdMech can't even begin to comprehend or match, this is kinda an objective point of their faction, that no matter how much of a punching bag they are they'll always have their 'Ork moments' where they outsmart or outclass even the deadliest or most conceited of opponents.

The whole concept that those who underestimate Orkz eventually meet their deaths at the hands of greenskins isn't unwarranted.

>>49742973
How come there are no Ork models with BS>2? Most other factions have veterans and HQs with increased stats. Would BS3 meks be too much to ask? It might make the KMB less of a never take tier option.

>>49742973
All ork bolters need +2 attack, pinning, and -1 BS.

Because my army is severely lacking in bullet/soldier ratio.

>>49743038
Just use Grots

>>49743024

>have 10 races to choose from
>narrowed it down to two copies of the same race

>>49743029
Only because the waagh makes it work.

Besides, letting orks fuck with your tech is super heresy, at least the apes are sort of inquisition approved.

>>49743009
No, it's great.

>>49743052
Inquisitors even fuck around with daemons. There's probably a few who commit super heresy three times before breakfast in the morning.

I don't remember if it was 40k or Fantasy, but I remember ages ago seeing a short-ish PDF that was basically a super cut-down version of the Warhammer rules that got posted in PDF share threads a lot, do any of you guys know what I'm talking about and have the PDF? Would appreciate it.

>>49743024
Death watch, easy to get into, minimal model count, you can really make the army feel like your own.

>>49743052
While true, as a counts-as model on the TT I'd be willing to give a bit of leniency to the fluff of the opponent's army. We have Ordo Malleus Inquisitors with Daemonweapons and Humans temporarily allying with Orkz in die-hard fluff, too, so it's not like it's too big of a step.

As for explaining the whole WAAAGH-thing? The tabletop doesn't really support fluff that well at all anyway, you can get similar benefits to their upgrades and tinkering across the board for Tau and the like, who are pretty much objectively sub-Joakero tier fluffwise with tech.

>>49743052

Orks barely ever fall to Chaos, and are simple-minded enough to be manipulated with minimal effort.

Frankly it's more surprising that more Inquisitors aren't making use of them. Admittedly there is that whole element of "Things didn't quite turn out the way we hoped" but we're talking about a faction that happily consorts with Daemons so I doubt they really care about that.

Repostin my cult list. It could use some padding up to 1850.

CULT OF THE FOUR-ARMED EMPEROR (1815 pts)

>>>Cult Insurrection Detachment

>>Brood Cycle

>Iconward
Icon of the Cult Ascendant

>Metamorphs
Cult Icon
5x Talons

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
5x Autopistol

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
5x Autopistol

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
5x Autopistol

>Neophytes
6x Autogun
2x Grenade Launcher
2x Mining Laser

>Neophytes
6x Autogun
2x Webber
2x Seismic Cannon

>Purestrains
5x Rending Claws

>>First Curse

>Patriarch
ML2
2x Familiar

>Purestrains
20x Rending Claws

>>Subterranean Uprising

>Primus
Sword of the Void's Eye

>Aberrants
4x Hammer

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
4x Flamer
>Leader
Lash/sword

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
4x Flamer
>Leader
Lash/sword

>Metamorphs
Cult Icon
4x Whip
>Leader
Lash/sword

>>Doting Throng

>Magus
ML2
2x Familiar
The Crouchling

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
5x Autopistol

>Acolytes
Cult Icon
5x Autopistol

>Neophytes
Cult Icon
5× Shotgun
2x Flamer
2x Stubber
>Leader
Webber
Maul

>>49743042

>Str 4 Ap6, Assault 4, Pinning
>But only hits on 6's.

Would actually statistically be the same, except with Pinning.

I'm a rather bad list builder, can anyone point me towards something that can help make me better at it? Specifically for csm allied with renegades. Also, general buy this, don't buy that would be greatly appreciated for renegades, I own probably too many CSMs.

Any decent Iron Hands lists without using Smashfucker? Trying to not be a cheesy bastard.

>>49743051
I like Space Marines, just can't decide between jump packs and assault or elite shooty marines with lots of options.

>>49743234
Pretty much anything from angels of death works bud, pick a core and aux you like the looks of, give it a try

>>49742496
What does The Iron Left do and what book do I find it in? I came across it in Battlescribe

If a transport jinks, are the guys inside snapshooting?

>>49743348
Isn't it an AP 3 power maul that costs as much as a power fist?

Er' go just get a power fist

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>>49743348
Found in Warzone Damocles Mont'ka.

It's pretty shit if you ask me... I'd much rather take a fist for the same price unless you're trying to make Castor from DoW2 or something.

>>49743401
Huh, neat. It's basically the robot arm from the Cadian Command Squad.
Or a mini power fist.
I like it.

>>49743446
>>49743401
May as well give him a real power fist for 25 points, you're most likely not going to be striking first at I3 anyway.

>>49743383
yes

>>49743468
And I'm assuming that even when they leave the transport, they will still be snap-shooting.

I got my first tabletop game in awhile yesterday. I've done some army updates based on play. (Explanation continued)

++Black Crusade++
++Chaos Warband++
Nurgle Bike Lord w/ Bolt Pistol/Poweraxe & Sigil - 140

Bike Sorcerer w/ ML 3 + Last Remnant (ML 4), Forceaxe & Pistol - 175

3x Chaos Marines: 5 Marines, Melta & Combimelta Champ, Rhino w/ Havoc Launcher - 142 x 3 = 426

2x Terminators: 3 Terminators w/ Axe & Combiplasma, Champion has Chainfist - 127 x 2 = 254

2x Chaos Bikers: 3 Bikers, 2 Bike-Mounted Flamers, Champion w/ Axe & Meltabombs - 100 x 2 = 200

2x Helbrute w/ Plasmacannon: 110 x 2 = 220

+Spawn Auxiliary+
2 Spawn of Nurgle - 72

++Allied Detachment++
HQ: Disc Herald of Tzeentch w/ ML 3, Paradox, and Exalted Locus of Conjuration - 170

Troop: 12 Horrors w/ Icon - 118

Fast Attack: 3 Screamers - 75

Total: 1850

>>49743507
Google is a fucking retard and it takes forever to dig through all of Facebooks trash, I can't find the draft FAQ. So I don't know, sorry. However it is probably safe to assume that they will be snap shooting in the turn following the jink, even if they left the transport.

>>49743462
Eh, true enough.
So, aside from Tempestus Scions for "Elite Mercenaries" fluff, what's a decent but not cheesy way to ally IG with Gene Cults?
I'm just trying to fill space to make a 1500pts list using my sparse IG and the contents of the Overkill box.
or should I just ally in Skitarii regardless of the Come The Apocalypse?

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Reposting in eternal hope:


+ + + Skyblight Swarm + + +

>Hive Tyrant (Wings, 2x TL Devourers, Electroshock Grubs) - 240

>3x Gargoyle Brood - 180

>Hive Crone - 155

>2x Harpies (Stinger Salvo) - 270

+ + + Endless Swarm + + +

>3x Hormagaunt Brood - 150

>2x Termagaunt Brood - 80

>Warrior Brood (Venom Cannon) - 100

+ + + CAD + + +

HQ:
>Hive Tyrant (Wings, 2x TL Devourer, Electroshock Grubs)

Troops:
>2x Mucolid Spore - 30

Elites:
>Venomthrope - 45

>2x Zoanthrope - 100

Heavy Support:
>Mawloc - 140

Total: 1750

>>49742422
As a melee guard player, he's worth his points in gold. Keeps the force from running, keeps them moving, helps kill stuff dead. Best 100 points I pay every game, since he normally has armor and a powerfist.

If you are just taking one, yarrik is great simply for having access to orders. Often enough I'll start the game so he's in range of my HWTs and order them to do shit better, then head off to krumping range. Blobs with power axes, grenades and melta bombs obliterate all that stand in the way. A priest helps too.

>>49743548
Alright thanks

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>>49743507
>>49743585
Fuck me I found it. Yes, the unit counts as having jinked.

>>49743578
As a melee guard player you should be neck deep in priests to keep your guys from running.

>>49743595
What has jink that is also able to go to ground?

>>49743544
The Lord and Sorcerer join the Spawn. The Herald joins the Screamers.

Previously, I had a 3rd Spawn but found that they're glorified bullet-magnets and it took awhile to chew through them anyway. The Bikes used to have Mark of Nurgle, but that was another 36 points, for what really didn't save them from too much. The Rhinos used to have Dirge Casters & Dozer Blades instead, and I had a unit of Flamers instead of Screamers, with the Herald acting semi-independently. Giving him Screamer bullet-catchers makes me feel a little more comfortable. Previously the Terminators didn't have Chainfists and the Bikers didn't get Meltabombs.

The Helbrutes were an "I don't have enough Autocannons for Havocs" unit, but I found they were fairly usable; the Plasma Cannons ended up landing on-target and mulching their fair share, and they let me MAD against some heavier stuff.

The Terminators mostly have Combi-plasma because I feel better about being able to DS within 12" instead of 6", and . Chainfists are because "models", though I figure if I chop those down (or drop Last Memory, though I like having a Nova), I can give my Lord the LC/Fist combo.

I gave the Horrors an Icon because when I tried summoning, I ended up scattering way off-base and tending to mishap. :/

>>49743673
Tau Gun Drones that are part of the Drone Network formation. They can G2G because they're infantry, but the Formation granted them Jink.

>>49743234
Your HQ can be anything honestly. I use a standard bike with the axe of medusa, or a cataphracii termi guy, or whatever.

I personally take things like 3 thunderfire cannons, 40 scouts, ironclad dreads, stormtalons, landspeeders, TH/SS termies and the other standard shit.

You can use the bonus to FNP from the IH detachment thing in the angels of death book to make literally anything infantry based work. Or you can focus on vehicles, or anything really. You only hear about smashfucker because he's a POS to kill. Try something else.

>>49743638
Priests are too easy to focus out and kill. I always have backup in the squad. Priest + (lord) commissar always and every time. Leadership boosts for your other squads keep the party going, a priest only helps his one squad.

>>49742373
>General Advice

Just run your kriegers using normal AM rules. They have better rules overall, better synergy, and formations. The ability to combine infantry squads in a platoon is huge. Better than stubborn and +1ws in my opinion.

But grenadiers are cool, the super drill hits hard IF you can get there and keep your engineers alive, and artillery platforms abound make it easy to dig in and play thematically. No one does trench warfare better than kriegers.

Best advice for a low point functioning army would be to run the cavalry. Death Korps Death Riders with their hunting lances are beastly. Models look amazing, and are actually very good if using their detachment.

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I never want to clean a mold line again in my life

>>49743769
Well done anon. Don't run First Curse if you're sick of moldlines, genestealers have the absolute fucking worst. You'll be manicuring just the rending claws for literal hours.

>>49742373
Take 3 units of whatever artillery for heavy support and 3 units of rapiers for elites. Their infantry is not worth 7pts each so try to take as little as you feel you can whilst still being a Krieg army at heart. Their cavalry is also pretty good, if you have the points left over after all the glorious T7 artillery.

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>>49743739
Yeah I wondered that
What if I go turtle mode with heavy weapon squads and artillery, with some inf and then ally up with something else, I have a small GK army, I liked my purifiers and Crowe, I wonder how useful they'd be though
I'm mostly collecting kriegers for fun but i'd like if the stuff I had could be useful on tabletop

>>49743825
You're both saying about cav so i'll have a loot at them thanks, and yeah I was thinking go big with artillery

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so this is not worth it right?

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>>49742808
Stokoe is a 40k fan

Okay genuinely confused here:

If I have a buncha Neophytes ambush on turn one, do they or do they not snap fire their heavy weapons?

>>49743946
They never snapfire on turn 1.
They only snapfire on later turns if you roll a 1 or 2 on the ambush table.

>>49743383
>>49743468
And just like that DE became (even more) garbage. And it hurts.

>>49743993
At least the rule makes sense. Unlike the fucking drop pod bullshit.

>>49743988

Huh, where does it say that second part about a 3+ meaning not needing to snap fire?

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Update or getting rid of Red Scorpions?

>>49744013
>struggling armies pushed down into literally Nid-tier bad
>muh Spess Mehreens further buffed as usual

quality FAQ

>>49744048
Or jsut sold out. Although Red Scorpions are featured in Imperial Armour - Fires of Cyraxus.

>>49743993
Dark eldar need more damage output. Formation bonus that grant a rerolls to wound with poison weapons is top on my DE wishlist.

On the other hand, your passenger in transports are going to be rolling sixes regardless if you move over 6 anyway. If your opponent is playing with FMCs it doesn't hurt at all as you use the guys inside as your anti air.

>>49743076
Try searching for 1 page 40k

>>49744083
it says no longer available

>>49744042
1 and 2 require that you move onto the board. 3+ you just set the unit up.

>>49743076
Its in the OP.

>>49744067
The FAQ was so bad that they need another FAQ to unfuck it. Its so fucking bad that now that its done there has been no news on fix it or of anything to come after it. I doubt they will even continue with it.

So how much do you guys think Magnus is going to cost?

>>49744151
Something with a 9 in the number, otherwise I'll be as pissed as I am autistic.

>>49744151
Between 70 and 100 USD.

>>49744151
Fucked if I know but the 30k primarchs are all in the 500~ range so I'd expect that as a baseline.

I can't fucking wait, holy shit I've been playing Mono-God TS since mid-fifth and been frustrated about the crappiness of the codexes since. Now we get an actual fucking TS-specific codex in front of our eyes and I just want to dig in. Models are cool n all but I'm likely not buying any new ones, but the rules man. I NEED THE FUCKING RULES! I need to know how my current army changes!

>>49744151
$99.99

>>49744148
It's meant to be a first draft but the lack of initial feedback from GW has been disheartening. I'm holding out for a resurgence closer to the release of 8th so they can bake an updated FAQ into the core rules but who fucking knows.

>>49744151
>>49744163
699 points.

>>49744151
How soon after he comes out do you think the new edition will come out and neuter flying gargantuan creatures?

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guys what if we use parts from a different set and charge more for them because they are for a different army

>>49744253
..Or charge more because it containts extra sprue.

>>49744253
>what if we take an existing kit and rebox it
>throw in an extra sprue and up the price a little to account for this

>>49744194
>the 30k primarchs are all in the 500~ range
In what currency?

>>49744214
But what would be the point of holding onto a FAQ for 7th edition if they're doing a 8th edition anyway?

>>49744253
>webstore lists both Genestealers and Purestrain Genestealers
>both use the same box art and sprues, and are the same price
For what purpose?

>>49744326
>But what would be the point of holding onto a FAQ for 7th edition if they're doing a 8th edition anyway?
So that they can add a fucking proper rules update based on community feedback rather than wing it and hope we like it. We don't know exactly how different 8th will be, and there's every chance a lot of this shit might carry over.

>For what purpose?
This is the same webstore that stocks separate entries for models that come from literally the same kit/box. Don't expect too much.

I kind of want to put a Holy Requisitioner formation as a secondary detachment to my Black Templar army since I really like Mechanicus designs, use plenty of vehicles (2 LRCs, 1 Lasorback, a Rhino and a Landspeeder squad) and feel like the Tech-Priest Dominarius alongside the deep-striking Kataphron could be nice.

Is that worth taking at all? Also, the C:AM kind of confuses me about the number of Kataphron I need to take, since the formation image shows the priest with 3 Kataphron, yet their unit is listed as having 3+ members with the formation asking for 2-3 units, e.g. 6-9 members. What's the right amount?

>>49744094

Dark eldar just need better weapons.

like, an around the board upgrade to their weapons.

liquifier guns should be S(equal to models toughness) AP3

ossefactors should be Assault 2

heat lances should be S7

Haywire blasters should be assault 2

Darklight weapons should be S9 AP1

Void lances should be S10 AP1

the Void Mine should be S:D (and the voidraven should be 200 points base)

Implosion missiles should have instant death

monoscythe missiles should be rending

shredders should be cone templates

disintegrator's should be S6

and deldar should be able to fire at full BS and or assault out of transports regardless of how far they moved during the movement phase

>>49744253
But anon They charge less in my country

>>49744421

Klaives should be S+2

Incubi should have grenades

wyches should have a 5++ base instead of the 4++ in combat shit they have now

succubi get a 4++

Lelith keeps her 3++

hydra gauntlets should generate additional hits with successful hits

shardnets and impalers should lower the WS of enemy models in base contact by 1

demiklaives should go back to how they used to be

so should huskblades

hellglaives should have rending

>>49744421
>>49744526
I would rather have better saves so all my games don't end in a turn 1 quick draw.

>>49744253
I hope you realize that those boxes are cheaper than regular guard ones, right?

You get a Cadian Squad, Heavy Weapons team and a Cult sprue.

Cadians are £18, Heavy Weapons Squad (3 teams) is £24. If we buy three squads and a heavy weapons teams it comes to £78.

If you buy 3 Neophyte Hybrids, the same number of troops as above it comes to £75.

>>49744326
Sorry, thought you meant points cost.

>>49743879
Would something that large see use outside of Apocalypse?

>>49744563

>better saves

>on the dark eldar

just go play craftworlders anon, they'd be better for you

deldar are glass cannons, thats their entire design philosophy, its just that right now the tau do them better while being tough

Deldar should have the best weapons in the game on fast as balls platforms with all the armour of a Unicycle covered in barbed wire and explosives

>>49744326
>currency
Well the 30k primarchs from FW are in the region of 60-70 bongbucks each...

>>49744583
And the exact opposite happens on the US store. Oh geedubs you are fucking stupid in your pricing.

$135 for Cult vs $126.5 for Cadians

>>49743769
Fuck, I've never considered how badly horde armies have it. It must take a literal month to prepare the models before you can even get to paint them.

>>49744583
>>49744638
Just compared a few others and it changes from currency to currency. In some places its cheaper and in others more expensive.

>>49744646
Depending on your patience, can take even longer. I have about 50 basic infantry tau in my army and filing off mould lines is so fucking mind-numbingly boring that it legit took me like 8 months on and off.

Just thinking about having to do it puts you off for a week, you need to tackle it like you're facing an irrational fear, with all the psychological prep that entails.

>>49744619
I liked the ability to jink and shoot.

Why do craft worlders get the ability to run and shoot when were supposed to be the jock eldar.

Oh well, weak as it is I like my codex, I'd just change things for theme.
Archon + warriors for a kabalite theme, succubus + wytches for a witch cult, move wracks to troop choices so you can take a heamonculi and his wrack assistants in a basic CaD for a nice coven theme without bothering with the suppliment.

>>49743009
No, it's not a lame idea. Never mind the naysayers, anon, it's your army and once they're clearly distinguishable and you're not MFA, why should anyone have a problem with them?

>>49743203
1d4chan tactics pages would be a good start.

>>49744421
Also splinter weapons should be poison 3+

>>49744646
And people wonder why the IG is so tank heavy now.

>Hmm, I got 150 points. Do I spend a month painting 30 guardsmen...or half a week with this Leman Russ.

Now do that with a 2000 point army, and remember our Decourion gets either 300-some guys in the core choice, or just 5 tanks minimum.

what is better for transfers Ardcoat or Lahmian Medium?

>>49744421
>>49744619

Honestly, as fragile as they can be with smart use of cover saves and using the tougher coven units dark eldar can be relatively tough for eldar. Minus armor saves but, hey screw grav anyway.

>>49744745
We get power from pain instead. The army wide feel no pain isn't bad and turn 5 fearless has definitely been useful.

>>49744862
And the Leman Russ Eradicator gunner looks upon your army and salivates.

>>49744879
I'm in luck. No IG players in gaming group right now.

>>49744873
What if power from pain wound down instead of ramped up? It would encourage the whole mad max playstyle of get in, kill, get out.

>>49744900
This
You start out jacked but as the battle draws on you get weaker
Or alternatively it increases based on how many enemy (and friendly?) units/wounds/models are killed

>>49744900

Eh, it gives the fragile army so semblance of staying power

>>49744848
Yeah, I don't understand GW. 5 tanks that I need anyway are a much better deal than literally 170 Guardsmen that I probably don't. Like I have 80 Kriegers (I've only done 5 so far because I'm a horrible human being) and I don't see myself needing another 90 more...

>>49744925
I mean, I get what they wanted to do with the current PFP, rapidly kill off your opponents and make them suffer while you get more and more imposing. But with their wet noodle and peashooter weapons, they just can't pull it off and end up being slightly harder to kill as the game goes on.

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r8?

Getting ready to start building and painting next weekish, will probably buy most of the basic stuff from my local store instead of buying online which I'll save for the vehicles. I know the drop pod tac marines should probably be DA instead of generic marines because of BS2 OW, but that shouldn't be a huge problem, right?

I also have a 1000 list using stuff from kits I'll need to build this list in case 8e fucks me.

>>49742373
Play the assault brigade with imperial guard allies for the heavy support and arty, they are basically scions done right.

>>49744848

That's why I like Walker Orks.

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Just make the WS chart the same as the to wound chart.

If your WS is double that of your opponents, you automatically hit.

>>49744731
I play Tau too. Luckily, most of my guys are XV8s which are quite easy to get done (aside from magnets). Fire Warriors can be a fucking pain though and I think I just gave up on my early Kroot.

>>49744848
Honestly, I never even thought about it, but that makes a lot of sense. Not to mention that 30 guardsmen is more expensive in real money. Actually, combined with Horde-Nid and Ork's performance this edition, why are people playing horde again? Must just be an aesthetics thing about having tonnes of guys on the table.

>>49744450
What country is that?

>>49745113
>Bloodthirst hits and gets hit the same as a Tactical Marine against Tau.

>>49744952
I think it would have been nice if they'd given us an IRL platoon formation with bonuses to reflect that. Like "one PCS plus 5 rifle squads, each rifle squad must take a heavy weapons team and those HWT's have permanent splitfire. There! Now its just like a real platoon, where each section gets it's own rifle team and heavy weapons team.

Or maybe to increase the mobility and flexibility each platoon is 1 PCS, 3 rifle teams, and 3 HWTs, and then we get all the cool orders and move through cover and stuff. Then the number of platoons per company be 2-4. Also, remove sentinels now that the HWTs are in the mix.

This is still spammable, but it gives you an army with more special and heavy weapons, and has a lower base cost.

>>49745148
Sounds about right

Tau should fold like wet paper under marines in combat.

>>49745137
UK

>>49742528
Frag cannons

>>49745207
Fucking britbongs always getting the cheap stuff.
I'm jelly

>>49742557
Their 40k bat reps are meh at best especially quirk or w/e his name is. miniwargamings best when theyre doing the specialist stuff like gorkamorka

>>49745126
Well, I joined the guard FOR the tanks, being a treadhead with a soft spot for seeing a mixed infantry-and-tank advance. So I like the cheap infantry because it means I can spend most of my points on the big guns but still have up to half the board filled with infantry. This is important in an age of teleporting heavy soldiers that can open your rear up like a can of sardines. My general rule is at least ten troops per vehicle, preferably 15. With 5 tanks and 2 chimeras on the board, that's around 70-100 men!

A pure infantry spam army gives me muscle cramps just thinking about it.

>>49742973

let's see you make a teleporter and tractor beam outta random scraps of junk you found.


or guns capable of killing power armored space marines.


Are the Adeptus mechanicus shit weaponsmiths? because the IG's dinky little lasguns sure as fuck ain't gonna be killing a space marine.

>>49743993
Worst part? The only reason this was FAQed is because Necron could pull this shit too.

>>49742633
Despite the hair Kenny's a cool guy. His painting tutorials are on point.

Rob is totally a dyslexic fuck though.

>>49743038

I'd take the KMB.

Don't see what the issue is with it other than "Gets Hot!", which is the least of the problems for Orks at the moment.

>>49742185
I wish there was a channel devoted to casual-tier but good batreps. I've literally browsed all the Tau batreps I could find and they all include a Riptide or other cheese unit.

I want to see something like a kroot player with massed outflank/sniper, or some guy who hate battlesuits and relies on good ol' grunts.

>>49743038
No. You can never have better BS. To imply an Ork would fire better than a Guardman, who actually aims is rifle? Silly!

...But you can totally have more attacks! Have +1 Shooty to all weapons. FILL THE AIR WITH LEAD!

Would horde armies be more fun to play/play against if unit basing was in 40k?

>>49745314
It's weird, I play in such a casual meta and then I see the most stupid recorded games online.

I'm just looking for a nice video of a game involving harlies in some way and I come across this one.
One side is a nice dark eldar/harlequin mix and on the other are these monsterous looking, half painted tau battle suits. No infantry or anything I don't think, just riptides and something called a storm surge just devour half his army in the shooting phase then stomp all over him in melee.
Eldar guy was tabled turn two, it was the most savage thing I've ever seen.

>>49745314
1 Riptide isn't cheese above 1250. It really isn't and anyone who says otherwise is one of the local anti-Taufags. It's mostly after 1k that most armies start to bring a centerpiece unit of some sort and/or weapons to counter one. Under 1k, call it cheese and is totally a dick move is what I say.

>>49745265
Well if they hit the eyes they might.

>>49745409
>>49745437
I would just like to see a battle report with a guy using mostly infantry and actual tactics. 1 Riptide alone IS cheese depending on your opponent. Unless a CSM player packs Forgeworld he likely won't be able to handle a Riptide at 1250-1500 f.ex

I follow the general philosophy of "The stronger the units you use, the less you need to think and use tactics", so I don't use them and I'd like to see more players field armies with this mindset. Field good underplayed units, weave your army together to have set roles and jobs to do, synergize past "this guy stomps these guys so these can shit fury over the rest from the other side of the board".

>>49745314
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Riptide is "OP". It's not. They're the Tau's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Kroot are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Tau auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Tau player would know that some well supported fire warrior unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh Battlesuits or muh Riptides" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the battle suits. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tau players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49742185
I really like tabletop tactics, but I do wish they had a slightly more varied pool of players/more guest players on. good batreps and editing(minus the autismal seize the initiative thing they do)
I would love to see some slightly fluffier lists from them time to time

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>decide to go on /r/warhammer for a change
>end up arguing with mod with an edgy star wars name who can't form a sentence without swearing
Sorry I ever left you /tg/

>>49745581
The reason I like the channel is due to the strong lists they bring without the cheesiness of superfriends or alies

>>49745543
That is a bunch of shit. CSM may not get enough love but they most certainly can handle a Riptide at 1500. A squad of Terminators could certainly handle it. Maybe if the CSM had some bad dice roles the Riptide might win in combat, but they most certainly can tarpit the damn thing. There's more game types than Purge the Alien.

>>49745560
>Land Raider
>Terminators

>on par with a Riptide

Have you actually ever played the game before? Next well be hearing about 2-shot Lascannons and how 300 points for five marines and some cool guns is "totally OP and can never be defeated"

Why don't you go play against Riptide spam with some Terminators? Go on, I dare you.

>>49745560
I understand you and I agree with you for the most part, but I play Tau and these units gave us the bad reputation to begin with. they're too good, you can't compare them to termies or land raiders as those units are pretty shite.

Perhaps it's too extreme to ask other Tau players to stop using the Riptide but hey, there's merit in thinking that it's for the greater good to do away with the fucking unit. It's making us look bad and it's making our codex seem like there's only 1 fucking build that you should be using. People legit ask "why don't you field a Riptide?", to which i give this reply along with an "also, it's a fucking hideous looking model".

>>49743544
How did your game go?

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Dreadnought is "OP". It's not. They're the Space Marines's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some battlesuits or a riptide. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Scouts are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If 10th company had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Space Marine player would know that some well supported tactical marine unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Space Marine players complain about "muh Dreadnoughts or muh Terminators" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the contemptors. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Space Marine players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49743038
Orks have too much BS already, they should all have a max of BS1.

>>49745597
It isn't as if /tg/ is was ever any better, you fucking shithead. It's okay we forgive you

>>49745560
>Kroot are shit
Hold up there, anon. These motherfuckers took down a C'tan for me and made him kill some allies in 1 turn.

>>49745665
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single DeffDredd is "OP". It's not. They're the Ork's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Grots are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If the small greenskins had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Ork player would know that some well supported Nob unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Ork players complain about "muh Deff Dredds or muh Trukks" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Gargants. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Ork players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745697
It's good to be home

>>49745680
why not just give more of their weapons pinning, i thought in the fluff they liked shooting their guns to make their enemies keep their heads down while they get into the melee

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Ha, I love how things work out

>be me
>have a couple casual matches lined up
>decide to bring Grey Knights, they've been popping up recently and seems like a good time
>get my list together, decide to bring a pair of Purgation Squads because lolwhynot
>my opponent?
>Tyranid Monster Mash
>In my utter despair, I realize the 24-shot Force weapon squads parked inside rhinos
>mfw I raped him

It wasn't even funny, those squads cost me 300 points and downed a Tyrant, 2 Fexes, and a motherfucking Tyrannofex.

I don't think I ever had so much fun, it was the most hilarious game I've ever had. Anyone else had a crap unit turn into a godly one? It's utterly delightful

>>49745665
>BirthofaMeme.jpeg

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Wraithknight is "OP". It's not. They're the Eldar's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Dreamwalker Squad, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Rangers are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Alaitoc Pathfinders had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Eldar player would know that some well supported guardian unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Eldar players complain about "muh Wraithlords or muh Wraithknights" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Wraith Titans. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Eldar players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Carnifex is "OP". It's not. They're the Tyranid's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Genestealers are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Genestealers had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Nid player would know that some well supported Brood Lord is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Nid players complain about "muh Carnifexes or muh pyrovores" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the bioforms. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Tyranid players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745629
I said a single Riptide, not multiple. And I've seen it plenty of times at my LGS. Most recent game I can think of was with a Tau player was fighting CSM player. CSM got into melee with the Tau player and tarpitted him for at least 3 full game turns. CSM guy won.

You don't necessarily need a single OP unit to beat another one. You just need to know how to synergize your army together to beat them. It's unfair that Chaos doesn't have it's own unit on par with it but it's hardly unfair to bring a single Riptide to a game. This CSM player knew that and that was how he beat the Tau player.

>>49745631
I don't think it was necessarily the units that made Tau players get a bad rep, but how GW seemed to enable the use of cheese tactics this current codex and the players who like to spam them [or were at least enabled to spam them] The formations play a big role in this too.

The Riptide and Ghostkeel are fair. The Stormsurge isn't unless brought into a game with another LoW unit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOOoTt1JDI

Watch this. This proves that spam like this shit can be beaten even with one of the shittiest armies in the game. Granted it's hard, but it's possible.

>>49745663
It had its ups and downs. It was an objective game but we forgot to keep track of the objectives. I made some mistakes and lost a lot of stuff, and my guys died because my opponent pulled some weird rules about my guys getting removed because they fell back onto my own guys, so I got the impression he was trying to cheat here and there. His knight rapid-firing his battle cannon 3 times in a row, etc.

I used Ectomancy to move my Melta teams around super-fast and kill his Knight and he said it was the first time that it was killed so that felt good p

>>49745560
I wouldn't compare a Riptide to Terminators, it's more like a high-power unique unit like drop pod Grav Cents (which, incidentally, can annihilate Riptides), Death Company w/ DC Chaplain or Ravenwing Command Squads. Originally Crisis Suits were the "elites" of the Tau army, but with formations taking elites as line troops is pretty much a norm across 40k if you want to do it.

Terminators and Land Raiders are pretty terrible these days; they just cost too much, do too little damage and die too easily as everyone has access to plentiful AP1 and AP2 weapons now.

That said, I do agree with you. There's nothing wrong with taking a Riptide. If someone else wants to take an army of nothing but line troops and doesn't bring any of their factions special sauce to the table it's their own fault for running a bad list. Now, multiple Riptides or god forbid the Riptide Wing monster mash outside of a league or tournament? Yeah, no one is going to like you. At the end of the day, though, Tau isn't the top army in the tournament scene right now, and Necrons, Eldar, SM, DA, and War Convocation can all more than put up a fight against them. Sure, if you play Orks, Guard or CSM you're not having a very good edition (well, Chaos is getting some love at least, limited as it may be, and it looks like they're about to get even more).

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>>49745560
>Being around to witness the birth of a pasta

>>49745716
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Helbrute is "OP". It's not. They're CSM's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Riptides or a Stormsurge. If they bring multiple and in the Helfist, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also cultists are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If cultists had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good CSM player would know that some well supported chaos marine unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non CSM players complain about "muh Obliterators or muh Helbrutes" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the daemon engines. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other CSM players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745734
My Rubric squads routinely never get killed off entirely or tie up something big and nasty for the entire game. Once it was a dreadknight tarpitted for the entire game, another time the rubric Sorcerer withstood 3 rounds of CC with a GK Paladin squad with attached Grandmaster and killed 3 paladins with the force weapon.

Also my Land Raider has never been destroyed and in one game against Ig with SM allies in 5th, it withstood several point blank melta shots, lascannon barrages and several direct hits from a leman russ battlecanon suffering only a destroyed sponson (one, not even both!).

That game ended with my raider being the only thing left on the board chasing his last tactical squad because I wanted to drive over them, cue benny hill music.

>>49745800
Any weak army can beat op armies if the op army player is a FUCKING retard and/or the weak army player is smart and gets good objectives every turn

>>49745800
>tau player letting their scoot and shoot and scoot MC get locked in combat
they deserved to lose for playing that badly desu senpai

Anyone looking to sell their 7th ed codexes?

Im looking for most of the Loyalist Space Marine codexes.

>>49744646
Don't be silly, anon. He ain't going to paint them.

>>49745781
>If Alaitoc Pathfinders had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.
I remember the ranger disruption table.

Alaitoc deserves to burn forever.

Are Eldar dicks bigger than human docks? Or is it more of a girth thing /tg/?

>>49745811
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Imperial Knight is "OP". It's not. They're the Imperial Knights' TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Scions Aspirant are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Imperial Knights had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Knight player would know that some well supported Knight Warden is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Imperial Knight players complain about "muh Paladins or muh Crusaders" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Cerastus. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Imperial Knight players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Warlord Titan is "OP". It's not. They're the Adeptus Titanicus's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Reaver Titans are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If princeps had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Adeptus Titanicus player would know that some well supported Knight unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Adeptus Titanicus players complain about "muh emperors or muh warlords" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Titans. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Adeptus Titanicus players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

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>>49745871
my nigga.

love,
>>49745873

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I am makeing a Dreadnought list but I decided to add a bike squad to keep my HQ company. I also decided to stick my grav in the unit too because of relentless.

>>49745560
How mad do you think this guy is that his argument got pasta'd out from under him?

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I look away for two seconds and this is what you guys do

>>49745560
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>>49745873

Literally the hive mind in action.
>mfw I'm a Tyranid player.

>>49745919
Obv he doesnt give a shit or hasnt seen it or else hed be raging

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>>49745871
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>sides have passed beyond the milky way, current location unknown

>>49745665
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ITT: sperg

>>49745945
t. mad because it wasn't an argument.

>>49745873
Warlord titan thing is true though.
If I'm paying the price of an entire army, I damn well better get something equivalent to an entire army

>>49745915
sir that's a moped

>>49745945
t. mad taufag trying to damage control after being BTFO

>>49745804
Glad to hear the sorc pulled his weight. At first I was super skeptical about your last memory sorc, but after thinking about it a bit more it makes a lot of sense. I think I'm going to assemble a biker sorc and run the same build as you in my 1k chaos warband.

>>49745939
Not everyone rages into their keyboard m8
>>49745945
oops, rage detected :^)

>>49745939


here he is
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>>49745915
this is truly the most badass marine I've ever seen

>>49745945
Shouldn't have said stupid shit motherfucker, now we're all mocking you.

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>>49745957
>implying im him

>>49745945
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Not him actually, it's me, the Tyranid player.

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Primarch is "OP". It's not. They're the Legions's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Nightlords are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If edge lords had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good 30k player would know that some well supported breacher unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Legion players complain about "muh Primarchs or muh Contemptors" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the Primarchs. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Legion players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

>>49745945
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single shitposter is "OP". It's not. They're 4chan's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Tripfags or a Chickenposter. If they bring multiple and in the /b/, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Anonymous posters are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If /tg/ had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good shitposter would know that some well supported copypasta is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti argument fire power than the other pastas.

I'm so tired of hearing non shitposters complain about "muh Reddit or muh Tumblr" They're there on the internet, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the janitors. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other shitposters have to stop using a particular pasta. Quit bitching.

>>49745915
Where'd you find the moped model?

I'm envisioning an Ork warbike unit riding those

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>>49746014
>implying this hard

>>49744859
Matte varnish, get it from vallejo.

Ardcoart is gloss varnish, the medium is, well, a medium and may leave a streaky finish.

>>49745560
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Land Train is "OP". It's not. They're the Squat's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Engineers are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If non-existent codexes had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good Squat player would know that some well supported Cyclops unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Squat players complain about "muh Landtrains or muh Goliath Mega Cannon" They're not there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the expunged records. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Squat players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

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>>49746040
>frustrated enough to make a picture for some fucking reason

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>>49745890
I am honored and thankful for your continued support Princeps.

>>49746040
>implying you didn't just edit that.
100000 hours in paint folks.
Seriously man, if it wasn't you then you wouldn't be so defensive, you'd just ignore any accusations.

>>49745945
There he is

>>49746075
>>49746082
>getting btfo
>damage control
you guys are really going all out tonight

Man. I hope that horrors stop being nothing but power dice batteries and get their shooting back. I have a whole bunch just sitting here, but the current rules are just eh.

>thier powers are shooting!

Except you need at least 2 dice to get it off, then you roll for shots, then you roll to hit, not to mention they have at LEAST a 1/6 chance to straight up ignore it.

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What would be some unit recommendations for a Space Marines assault army list? What would be good chapter tactics to use?
I was thinking a squad of vanguards and a pair of ironclads to start

>>49743195
Better when snap firing too.

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>>49746107
>>49746040
Behold, undeniable proof that you are in fact the tau poster
Seriously faggot. Like 5 minutes in photoshop on a fucking tablet. Your pic proves nothing. You got BTFO, deal with it.

>>49746122
In-codex you have Scars for that ever-useful H&R on everything. Never worry about tarpits again.

Alternatively from FW you have Carcharadons (EVERYTHING gets a CCW!) or even Mantis Warriors (FC if you charge through cover).

If you need warm bodies you could consider Skyhammer. Now I know what you're thinking here but hear me out. Pimp the ASM something fierce but leave the Devs stock/with Sarge geared for melee. Your call if their 3d6 pinning is still OP when all they're doing is firing bolters and charging next turn if they're still alive.

Obviously Shadowstrike is alright as a means to deploy Vanguards but just don't assault with the Scouts.

>>49746107
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single katana is "OP". It's not. They're the ninja's Great axe equivalent. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Spells or a Platemail suit of armor. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also Thorwing stars are shit. They're just expendable ammunition. Having a whole inventory oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If Eastern weapons had the same love that longswords then that would be fine.

A "fun" character to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat abilites into the battle in a character sheet. Not just spamming any one single weapon. A good Ninja player would know that some well supported Sneak attack is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other powers.

I'm so tired of hearing non Ninja players complain about "muh chaotic randumb or muh anime" They're there in the Player's Handbook, they have a purpose, just like the Monte Cookes.source then any of the Player classes. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Ninja players have to stop using a particular weapon. Quit bitching.

>>49745597
most of the sane redditors migrated to /r/warhammer40k and /r/warhammer30k respectively. the mods on the original sub are fucktards.

>>49746155
>implying implications
>gets proven wrong
>shooped, he must be the tau poster
>lul btfo
wow just accept that youre wrong its getting sad desu senpai

>>49742633
I'm actually a personal acquaintance of The Long War guys. Almost all of us in the local gaming and tourney scene hate them.

Really happy Kenny fucking moved to California. He fucking stinks and he cheats, too.

As a group, they'd also monopolize a good bit of a the tournament room with equipment and shit.

>>49746196
>>49746155
>>49746040

THIS IS WHY WE NEED UPBOATS

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>>49746155
>he shopped a thing
>look ill show you how easy it is
jesus christ dude

>>49746196
Whatever faggot.

>>49746203
No, fuck that shit. Actually, what the hell do you even mean?

>>49746187
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single Wizard is "OP". It's not. They're the Cleric's arcane equivalent. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Fighters or a Barbarian. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also summoned minions are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole spellbook oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If casters had the same love that Tome of Battle then that would be fine.

A "fun" character to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat abilites into the battle in a character sheet. Not just spamming any one single spell. A good Wizard player would know that some well supported Fireball is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other spells.

I'm so tired of hearing non Wizard players complain about "muh 15m gold a day or muh toolbox" They're there in the Player's Handbook, they have a purpose, just like the Paizo's.source then any of the PrCs. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other Wizard players have to stop using a particular build. Quit bitching.

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You all need to shut the fuck about your pasta & shoops and start talking about retarded wargames from the 80's.

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Kroot Codex when?
Is there a good 7th Kroot Fandex? Kroot are my favorite xeno race beides Rak'Gol, but I don't think they're ever going to get a codex, so...

>>49746075
>>49746082
>>49746155
>>49746196
see
>>49746252

>>49746238
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single BLANK is "OP". It's not. They're the BLANK's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also BLANK are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If BLANK auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good BLANK player would know that some well supported BLANK unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh BLANK or muh BLANK" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the BLANK. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other BLANK players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

How to skitarii at start of 500 point escalation?

>>49746252
Kranon is about to get FUCKED in that pic.

>>49746238
>nothin personnel, kid

>>49746238
W E W
E
W

>>49746258
How about GSCroot?

>>49746300
Speaking of which, didn't he get a model with Dark Vengeance?

>>49742120
Really fulfilled that promise of fresh(er) pasta

>>49746325
Yerp.

>>49746297
Start Collecting Skitarii box

>>49746238

I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single word is "OP". It's not. They're the dictionary's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some Termies or a Land Raider. If they bring multiple and in the Paragraph, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also letters are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If letter auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" essay to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat rhetoric into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single word. A good writer would know that some well supported letter is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti meme fire power than the other words.

I'm so tired of hearing non Writer players complain about "muh words or muh grammar" They're there in the dictionary, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the words. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other word players have to stop using a particular sentence. Quit bitching.

HEY ATTENTION EVERYONE BUT ESPECIALLY OLDFAGS

How big is your army and how much money have you spent on it?

I'm seriously considering spending $900+S&H on a stupid FW army and need to consider whether this is out of line or not. This would get me to exactly 1850 points.

>>49746366
New thread
>>49746366

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Anyone else playing poorhammer?

>>49746405

Forgot to mention it's $900 CAD so that's about $3.50 for Americans

>>49746409
You blithering idiot this thread isnt even autosaging
Fooking lurk moar cunt

>>49746409
We haven't even hit autosage yet.

>>49746428
t. mad

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>>49746252

I worked on painting pink Slaaneshi Chaos Marines today. It's not looking too good, my brushes are getting wrecked, but at least I can hind some of my terribleness with washes and my girlfriend is learning the joy of painting Aegis Defense Line walls. So I really don't care, I'll eventually be able to field some awesome pink plastic miniatures accompanied by a screaming crazy biker daemon prince.

>>49746434
T. Fuccboi

>>49746409
>starting a new thread before the old has even hit bump limit
>just so you can get a shitty meme into the edition name
>didn't even give it a proper title
No anon, you are the faggot. And then anon was a faggot.

>>49746419
At that point, why not just go for a cheaper wargame? The only good part about 40k is the models and fluff, the rules suck.

>want to ally tzeentch Marines with my daemons
>dont want to buy anything yet because new CoW
>isnt out for awhile yet

It's a shitty kind of feel. I might grab the CSM half of dark vengeance at least. A bunch of cultists worshiping a power mad herald sounds entertaining.

On that note, is there a way to make a Warpflame Host into an incursion at 1000 points without having to buy a bunch of shitty Furies?

>>49746447
t. the original tau poster

>>49746437
I think the important part about painting Slaaneshi is to not stress about things looking uniform.

>>49746462
T. Maymay spouter

>>49746472

The important part of my painting is that it's pretty bad. Thinning results in a bubbly wash, details get wrecked, etc. But it's better now than all my other attempts in the last decade. I guess I can argue that my guys have been going so warp-crazy on space-cocaine that their colors have started to bleed.

>>49746354

With no rules, saddly. And you can no longer make him anyway since you can only take one of his 4 Relics on a Lord now

>>49745148
A bloodthirster would be immune to close combat attacks by tau.

>>49746507
If you don't like it, you can always Simple Green it and start again. Nobody painted a Golden Daemon on their first go.

>>49746419
Literally how can anyone play like this?
Like I understand if you want to make your mathhammer a little more practical but without any of the bullshit like terrain and TLoS what's even the point?

Also, like >>49746454 said. 40k's rules aren't exactly stellar, if you don't care about collecting the models you should look at something cheaper.

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>>49746268
Sing it brother

>>49746503
t. continuing to be butthurt whilst capitalizing the t

>>49746462
>hes still looking for the tau poster
Dude is probably dead by now

>>49746668
I sure hope so

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>>49746268
Don't you worry about BLANK. Let me worry about BLANK.

>>49746040
>>49746223
I kinda want to get this mentality out that having a single photoshop is "OP". It's not. They're the faggot's TEQ. It's fair if they can have one if you bring some memes or lulz. If they bring multiple and in the Wing, then yes that is pretty cheesy.

Also fa/tg/uys are shit. They're just expendable meatshields. Having a whole army oriented around them would be incredibly boring. If fa/tg/guy auxiliaries had the same love that Genestealers then that would be fine.

A "fun" army to play against is something that tries to bring all the neat units into the battle in a combined arms fashion. Not just spamming any one single unit. A good photoshop player would know that some well supported GIMP unit is a cheaper and arguably better source of anti infantry fire power than the other units.

I'm so tired of hearing non Tau players complain about "muh whine or muh tears" They're there in the codex, they have a purpose, just like the FWs.source then any of the photoshop. Just because you get butthurt at the cheesemongers doesn't mean that the other photoshop players have to stop using a particular unit. Quit bitching.

r8 list

DEUS VULT

Black Templars CAD - 925

Emperor's Champion - 140

Grimaldus - 195
3x Cenobyte

Troops - Crusader Squad - 280
MAX DUDES
2x Power Weapons
1x Meltagun
CCWs

Troops - Crusader Squad - 120
Grav Cannon + Amp
Grav Gun
Drop Pod - 35

Troops - Crusader Squad - 120
Grav Cannon + Amp
Grav Gun
Drop Pod - 35

Inquisition - 439

Inquisitor Karamazov - 200

Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor - 64
3x Servo Skulls
Psyker w/ Force Sword

Elites - 175
6x Crusader
4x DCA
Priest

Black Templars Stormbringer Squadron - 470

Land Speeder - 65
Assault Cannon

3x Scout Squad - 240
Vet Sarge + Power Weapon
CCWs

3x Land Speeder Storm - 165
Assault Cannon

1833/1850

>>49745974
1k as in 1k sons or points? He was a useful control character, but lower points will be tricky. I figure Last Memory gives him utility against extreme MSU like small Acolyte teams, massed solo Mucoloids, etc. But first and foremost he's a "controller" for the rest of the army.

>>49746755
1000 points.

>>49746726
I rate deus/vult

>>49744859
Gloss varnish (ardcoat etc) first, apply the transfer, and then matte varnish afterwards.

>>49746726
>DEUS VULT
I'm no Black Templar expert, but wouldn't it be "The Emperor wills it" rather than "God wills it"?

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>>49746419
>>49746549
You can poorhammer and still retain line of sight. Here's a recipe for 100 cadians for the price of 10!

>>49746815
Imperator Vult?

>>49746830
>tfw used that and cheap bases from ebay to try out infantry spam before committing

It isn't all that bad as a temporary solution

>>49746855
did anyone get mad?

>>49746851
I think so, but I'm no Latin expert.

>>49746815
Well, the Black Templars DO think the Emperor is God. So it still works.

>>49746830
>missing the point

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm asking why the fuck would you want to do it? Unless you're playtesting a new list and for whatever reason cannot simply proxy with models you already own then why would you spend hours building cheap alternatives to play a shitty game with shit rules?

The game can be fun but the minis are what make it.

>>49746419
You dont have 50 bucks to buy a squad? Just one, paint it and play kill team, or save up cash or something. Come on anon, Im poor as fuck and even I can get a box or two a year and Ive been in this hobby for 4+ years doing that and now I have two full armies and my HH fists are expanding.

This shit isnt an expensive hobby, just take your fucking time and if you cant spend 50 bucks a month then you got bigger problems.

>>49746419
Why not print the miniatures, cut them out and glue them on to coins? Papercraft vehicles too. Fuck, I'd play you with that army if you did it.

>>49746634
T. Continuing to be a butthurt little bitch

>>49746876
They don't call him god, though. They call him the emperor.

>>49746890
Buy silicone at your local hoppy shop.

Cast the minis.

Buy some green shit

Bam ~$80 and you've got 100 guard

>>49746868
If anybody did, then they need to take a good long look at their life choices.

>>49746907
God-Emperor.

>>49746904
>still replying in the post chain even though everyone agrees that you were made to look foolish and are now mad

>>49746927
>implying im even the one who started the forced pasta in the first place
Fuck off

>>49746960
>fuck off
>butthurt tau poster also said fuck off
>implying you arent a rosy cheeked thirteen year old getting pissed about his cool space samurais.

>>49746976
If Tau were actually Space Samurai they'd be much cooler.

>>49746994
Have you ever even heard of Farsight?

>>49746976
Just piss off you shitty sperg jesus christ

>>49747004
Outside of the mechs was where I was talking, not Farsight and the Totally-Not-Seven-Samurai.
I'm talking Fire Warriors with little Jingasa hats.

>>49747004
He's the big dick retard that leads the tau, no?:

>>49747030
He's actually more like their Horus.

I'm thinking of making a Dark Eldar + Harlequins list, what do?

Just finished Helsreach.

Hot damn, Grimaldus is one spicy fellow.

Andrej best boy though

>>49747045
Fuck up their leadership and scream them off the board.

>Archon with WWP and Armor of Misery
>Haemonculus Freakish Spectacle
>Shadowseer with Mask of Secrets
>Death Jester if you like

Drop in anywhere you like and proceed to fuck up the shit of your opponent's WK/fancy deathstar with mirror of Minds or Psychic Scream.

>>49746868
I've only used it with friends, so no. But if I had to I would let my opponent know ahead of time and print+paste pictures of special/heavy weapons to prevent confusion. When a buddy of mine used his own batch of army men for substitute Fire Warriors, a guy from a neighboring Apoc game thought it was funny.

I avoid playing with random people until I have my army painted and have table top quality, even if the few times I go to a FLGS little to no one paints theirs.