One of the people I'm happy to see gone, I had friends through school who weren't allowed to play because their parents still believed this shit.

>>49942922
What was the cause of death? Did he accidentally touch a marijuana?

>>49942922
Trolls aren't contributors.

>>49943253
Died peacefully in his sleep and floated up to Heaven to chill with Giant Faceless God for eternity.

>>49943726
Really? Why didn't his grandmother pray for him to go to hell? Doesn't she love him?

BLACKLEAF! NO!

>>49943075
As one of those friends, his shenanigans only made me want it moar. We played James Bond and pretended it was D&D to fuck with parents and youth pastors.

RIP, if only for his lulzy Bible thumping comics. He's castigating Satanists and pagans with Jesus now.

>>49943451
If that's true, than /tg/ has never accomplished anything.

>>49944517
considering how much of his campaigning was done on fearmongering and baseless lies, I can't imagine Jesus would accept him too happily, especially since I have no doubt that he felt justified and completely regretless towards everything he did all the way to his dying breath.

Say again
>>49946136
Anyone know otherwise?

>>49946062

>Assuming religions are anymore real than the RPGs we play

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>>49942922
REMINDER

>>49945887
My, aren't you cynical.

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>>49946170
Other anon got to assume there was a divine jesus waiting to accept him, why am I suddenly being judged for making the same assumption when talking of rejection?

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>>49946202

Its your turn.

>>49946202
Because this is the internet hate machine

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>>49942922
>RIP Jack Chick

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>>49946187
>>49946200

>>49946279
GNOSIS4DEATH

>>49946253
>all's right with the world
and that's how we know he's nuts

Tell me I've actually been unknowingly summoning demons every time I played D&D? Heck, all that overcomplicated math has to be in there for some reason. It's certainly not to facilitate better roleplaying, faster plot progression, or to keep players focused.

But tell me the world is doing fine? That's just boldfaced malarkey.

>>49946279
Context being trying to make sense of religious stories that used to have whole pantheon of gods that hebrews decided they don't like anymore?

>>49946331
>Heck, all that overcomplicated math has to be in there for some reason
If D&D's overcomplicated math summons demons, what does GURPS' math summon?

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>>49946362
Larval aliens.

>>49946362
Angels
No one wants to tell you, but that's where real truth lies

>>49946200
>>49946187
leading to my theory that Satan secretly ensured the bible was edited to twist the faithful of god into committing evil in the name of a benevolent deity, and later making intellectuals think it fiction or that the true god doesn't deserve praise, for what greater deception is their then one that makes someone think they have seen the truth

>>49942922
>a major contributor to the traditional gaming community.
you're a fucking retard

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>>49946362
Nothing. You're already playing GURPS.

>>49946528
So what you're saying is, that I am the demons?

>>49946548
Yes, John.

>>49946335
Those stories still include all those old gods in the pantheon, you know. Asherah, Baal. Molech. They're there. Just labled as idols. False gods worshiped by those who started following the native canaanite religions, in addition to or instead of their original one.

>>49946485
That's an awfully weak and useless god that can't even keep his commands protected well enough for people to follow them correctly if they're actually trying.

>>49946509
You fell for it.

>>49946605
*tips fedora*

>>49946626
He's saying that in response to >>49946485's theory that Satan corrupted the Bible. It's only fedora if you gratuitously deride the Bible or Christianity in general (and possibly, by extension, spirituality in general). Making fun of specific interpretations of the Bible is fair game, especially when it's a theory about the Bible put forth by an anonymous poster on a Uyghur wall tapestry chatroom.

>>49946626
If you wanna take it that route, sure. The other possible implication is that your theory on Satan sewing lies into the bible are self-inherently bunkum, and thus the issue lies in your and quite a few other peoples drastic misinterpretation of the information provided.

It's either lies and always been lies, with no powerful god capable of accomplishing anything behind it, if there is one at all.
Or it's truth, always been truth, and has been kept that way by a being that can, with its immense power, ensure that it will always do so until it has served its purpose to Him.

There is no possible middle ground. Either He can protect His commands, has reason to (the typical reason for commands being: because He wants them followed), and did. Or He gave no commands, or is incapable or simply unwilling of keeping them intact, possibly because He doesn't exist, though not necessarily, and thus could not in any way hold humanity accountable for its actions, as it would have no way of knowing His commandments due to faults strictly His own.

>>49946062
If he did feel regret in the end, and repented, then yes he's chilling with Jesus. If not, weeeeellllll there's always Purgatory

>>49946822
>Purgatory
Didn't you hear, anon? The Catholics lied, Purgatory is just Hell.

>>49946822
If his tracts are correct, no there's not. He was protestant.
https://www.chick.com/bc/2009/purgatory.asp

>>49946608
>falling for passive-ironic reverse b8

I miss old /tg/

>>49946485
This is true. The New International Version of the Bible was translated by Satan, true born again Christians like Chick know that the King James Bible is the correct version as it was divinely inspired.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/niv-gay-satan.htm

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Well, this thread certainly got weird.

>>49943253
The dude was 92, there doesn't have to be a cause of death.

>>49942922
I read a great quasi-defense of Chick today. He really was one of the great outsider artists of the late 20th century
http://pithy-comic-suck.tumblr.com/post/152272395525/jack-chick-died-today-at-the-age-of-92-the-man

>>49942922
Why should we be sad?

I mean this guy effectively managed to turn TTRPG into a niche hobby from all-sprawning industry and reducing the player-base to stereotyped fa/tg/uys.

>>49947717
>Why should we be sad?
Because he's dead, Jim. You only do that once in your life and it's the last thing you do.

>>49947717
1. it's recovering quite well all things considered. it only took some time to spread. and in that time, the medium had a chance to develop before becoming public. Consider us an unscheduled early access beta.

2. He provided us with memes. Is there really anything more you can ask from a man? If a gorilla can be revered for its meme-giving, and that for only dying, why cannot this man, having devoted a large chunk of his entire life to accidentally giving us memes, not be.. well, honored isn't exactly the right word, perhaps appreciated? by us nonetheless in his final hour?

>>49942922
He produced more creative work than most fa/tg/uys ever have, at least.

>>49947794
>early access beta
I'm still waiting for people to introduce elements of actual game design into tabletop games btw.
Would help get normies into it a lot, because half the rules are just about making things easier to grock.

>>49946187
>>49946200
Fucking Cathars. This is why the Medieval Inquisition happened.

>>49947817
4e tried that, and look what that got us.

Seriously though, OSR games often times actually have some pretty nice designs going on... except of course they are really limited in scope, being more refinement than original stuff.

>>49947886
A bunch of angry grognards who didn't leave the hobby they just moved to the next closest thing, and a bunch of new normies the grognards don't like for some reason because people can't like what I don't like?

What's your point?

>>49947817
>early access
>ever a good idea
>wanting this to happen in tabletop
Please god, no.

>>49947940
too late, that's what we're experiencing now. can't you tell? This is the early access of tabletops as an entertainment medium.

>>49947915
>A bunch of angry grognards who didn't leave the hobby they just moved to the next closest thing, and a bunch of new normies the grognards don't like for some reason because people can't like what I don't like?

This is my point. A large % of the hobby is actively against design that doesn't obfuscate.

>>49947957
That's fine if you're aiming for new blood, anon.

"the hobby" can buy old products, or find things more suited to their tastes.

Meanwhile, you've replaced them and gateway drugged more people into the hobby as a whole.

>>49947984
Nobody wants to be just the gateway drug though. See how WotC reverted from 4e with 5e? Everybody wants to retain the grogs, so they keep buying stuff.

>>49948128
to retain grogs you have to have grogs in the first place. DnD has Grogs, sure. And you're right, after their scare with 4e, trying to have their cke and eat it too, they're going to do every thing they can to keep them.

But what of some new company just starting out, with no grogs to loose, and a, frankly, vast expanse of unclaimed niches to capitalize on? Maybe even stuff people have tinkered and toyed with online, but never copyrighted or had a major publication?

Alternately, there's nothing to say Wizards couldn't run two roleplaying games at once, They had two card games for a while, MtG and Pokemon. One casual, one more hardcore. If they hadn't tried so hard to throw it under the bus the same as L5R they could have had two thriving markets on their hands. Its not like the two share a huge amount of the same fanbase or even draws. They wouldn't have leeched off each other.

Or even as some anons had suggested, they could have released 4e as a differently named product (thus avoiding chick's D&D stigma) while simultaneously attracting new blood and not scaring off the old.

The point is, you're thinking much too narrowly. Having product tailored for grogs in the hobby and having product tailored especially for new blood in the hobby aren't mutually exclusive.

>>49948263
So... what do normies/potential newblood want in a tabletop game anyways? Besides easy to understand?

>>49947717
>I mean this guy effectively managed to turn TTRPG into a niche hobby from all-sprawning industry and reducing the player-base to stereotyped fa/tg/uys.

my hero

>>49948283
There's a difference between easy to grasp with room for complexity and easy to understand with no depth.

Anyway, why do people play RPGs?

1. Because it's what nerds do and they want to try it.
2. Because they like fantasy and want to consume more fantasy media.
3. They want to play games in settings they like and enjoy or ones that allow them to play in scenarios and circumstances like the settings they enjoy.

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>>49946944
It's true.

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>>49948669
This is some SMT level fuckery right here.

>>49948283
They just need exposure and groups of newbies with a good DM.

Lots of well made advertising, something like game nights that are better designed like FMN (albeit having points and leagues is kinda silly), and maybe trying youth programs with easier rules but fleshed out everything (as opposed to current Basic D&D, which just trims out classes and Races for whatever reason).

People are people anon, that jock over there is obsessed with football, and might not have time to read extensively and watch the latest series. He obviously will like any trope-filled story that comes along. Maybe the cheerleader reads lots of Fantasy, and you'll have to make a really good campaign. But guess what? Both of them are nervous around new people, exactly like every other human being. They won't just seek out a group to play a game they've never heard about. Exposure us necessary, and good writing is as well.

Speaking of writing: How mechanics are written isn't everything, but speaking from experience 3.5 had too much prep math. 5e has significantly scaled back on that, and its explanations are really easy to explain as a DM. Asking "Which of these skills would you like to be good at?" Is much easier than "You have X skill points, and can put up to X us any of these, but up to X in these."

>>49949060
That reminds me, can you run a SMT game in Testament ? There's a copy in my local half-price and I need to know before I buy.

>>49949127
Testament is meant for games set in the Biblical Middle East, right? You'd probably have better luck using a system that's actually designed to handle the modern world.

>>49949201
>modern world
Mainline SMT games tend to go full post apocalypse after the intro.

>>49949287
Ah, right. I've only really played Persona 2.

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>>49942922
See ya Jack. I hope the Lord is more merciful than you believed.

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>>49947717
And this is a bad thing because? Becoming niche for a time is the best thing that can happen to a hobby. Inaccessibility creates a texture, it insulates a hobby from the larger culture for a while and so strongly divergent memes develop within the hobby that "normies" cannot get. That texture is part of what makes gaming culture so fun to get into, it is what makes it a refuge for social outcasts for whom the presence of greater society is dehumanizing and painful.

Now gaming has more or less returned to the mainstream, but it carries this legacy of being underground and niche, the older players remember those days, and it brings with it a sort of resilience to mainstream norms and culture, which prevents things from being rendered down into the grayish slop that inevitably occurs when a medium of entertainment becomes too mainstream. At least, for a while.

I think we owe 'ol Jack a debt of gratitude. Sure he was a crazy protestant snake-handler, but he added a little bit of controversy to the tapestry of /tg/. I, for one, would not erase it.

>>49943726
All the souls he saved entitling him to stack crown after crown on his head like all the bowls of Brand X cereal you'd need to get as much fibre as one bowl of Total.

>>49947717
I fail to see how it is even remotely likely that Jack Chick was responsible for that.

RPGs declined not due to the Satanic Panic but due to 'overfishing' (2e onwards) and the fact that the vast majority of RPG vidyas are based off D&D, scratching the itch quite nicely.

Video killed the radio star.

>>49947886
4e fucked up partially due to WotC aggressively alienating 3e fans and ditching Paizo and partially due to the tragic murder suicide that killed its online tool aspect. 4e had many many flaws but I don't think they were really what the problem was.

>>49947817
>I'm still waiting for people to introduce elements of actual game design into tabletop games btw.
I don't like saying that but...
Have you tried not playing DnD/Pathfinder/Shadowrun/Vampire?

>>49949702
>And this is a bad thing because?

Stagnation is dull, and I can tolerate socially awkward neckbeards only so much.

>>49950241

At least 4e tried something different. Between AD&D editions were just rehash after rehash of the same rules, albeit with balancing tweaks and the occasional new character class.

>>49950600
>editions were just rehash after rehash of the same rules, albeit with balancing tweaks and the occasional new character class.
This is what editions are in normal systems.

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Good riddance.

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So, can I ask a drawfag for "Jack Chick meeting God" in Chick tract style or is it already done?

>>49950600
2e had 101 new things.

Does anyone have the edit of "What's stopping me from becoming a God?" where the kid is standing atop some sort of mountain with his arms stretched out?

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>>49946062
As long as he was faithful that's all God asks.

>>49948283
>Besides easy to understand?
That's basically it

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>>49942922
So the Vatican finally got him... are your characters pious enough to save his wise words against the evil of Rome, Satan and their child?
They may have to face the New World Order agents like:
> witches, including voodoo
> gaaays and their tiny gay demon
> black Muslims or Arab Moon cultists
> evolutionist shapeshifters
> Harold Penisman the new age druid-inquisitor
> Public school teachers
> Papist assassins and papist clerics and their transmutation magic
And of course, Satan, and many more!

>>49946062
Not everyone is perfect, that's the point of it
A fucking criminal being crucified next to Jesus asked him to remember him when he died, and then went to heaven

>>49951913
Is that what made mobile games capture the normie market that less casual games did not?

>>49952292
Criminal was repentant. Major point.
Nowhere does the bible teach forgiveness without repentance.

>>49952231
That actually sounds like a radical game of Hunter. This is 100% my next campaign.

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reminder of Jack Chick's plagiarism

>>49952357
That's not plagiarism at all, if Jack Chick believes D&D creatures are demons, then it makes sense they would show up.

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>>49952357
Look at the plagiarism in this picture! It's a total rip of FFT dragoons!

>>49952339
Remember to save at least one sinner by telling him he's wrong about things! Surely he will listen and accept it for no apparent reason.

I still can't find what to do with evil public school teachers though...

>>49952231
My favorite part is evolutionist shapeshifters, I think I saw a silly one panel comic about that.

the Chickverse is very wild, I love the spacious subterranean occult bunkers D&D players have for their Satanic orgies, and the druid inquisitors and the NWO guys that give free drugs for reporting bigots

>>49946062
Pretty sure Jesus would be pretty fucking understanding of people who attempt to untangle his complete clusterfuck of an ideology and to do what he wants

"FOLLOW MY RULES OR YOU'RE DAMNED TO HELL FOR ETERNAL TORTURE"

"Uh... okay... jeez there's a lot, h-here I go"

"WRONG! YOU DID IT WRONG! ETERNAL TORTURE"

>>49952550
"Alright you kikes listen up, I don't want four different versions of this."

>>49952500
>I still can't find what to do with evil public school teachers though...

Give them a lot of money, and then convince a large number of highly attractive twenty-something women to have sex with them a lot. That'll do the trick. Trust me.

>>49946151
Have heard of all female DnD (and other RPG) groups. The local RPG-group om Facebook also has plenty of female players as well.

In fact, the games I've been playing in have usually at least one woman, sometimes even more than half the players are women. (Obviously I haven't played in an all-women group since I'm a guy and if I do join such a group it no longer is all-women.)

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>>49952527
>My favorite part is evolutionist shapeshifters, I think I saw a silly one panel comic about that.
I was actually thinking of the same comic.

>>49952617
That only proves that you guys are depraved corrupt individuals!

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>>49953223
>MFW
I need more of this.

>>49953223
I want this to be a real movie.

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>>49947851
Its no coincidence i share my name with this nice fella.

>>49952231
Fuuuuuck we could make a functioning system out of this shit.

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>>49953528
Jack Chick was an unintentional master of dystopian fiction. He conceived of a world where true Christians are all oppressed by a massive conspiracy headed by Satan himself.

It's a fucking incredible work of fiction, but sadly its creator was dumb enough to think it was real.

>>49950053
I don't know why I thought this was so fuckin' funny, but I want you to know that this cracked me the fuck up.

Like, I couldn't breath.

>>49953567
> A NEW AGE HEALER
Oh god my sides.

>>49947766
He's not a member of my family. Nor my friend. Nor anyone I relate with.
Why should I care?

>>49948333
Yes, that served the industry sooo well to turn into exclusive bunch of socially inept mouth-breathers, while starting as absolutely normal and inclusive as fuck.

Fortunatelly, the tide finally changed few years ago and it's going back to normal.

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>>49953639
Because he had provided us all with decades of comedy.

That said, he was 92, his right-hand man is going to make new tracts in his place, and he was a horrible person, so it is kind of hard to feel too sad about it.

>>49953567
I saw an edit of that fifth panel that said "God has abandoned us, and now we must dance the dance of heathens" or something of the sort.

>>49949702
>Becoming niche for a time is the best thing that can happen to a hobby
>For a time
Not sure how about you, but because of that old fart, MOST of TTRPG history went in niche exclusion. It culminated by early 00s, where there was literally NOBODY else, but grognards and neckbeareders left, making the entire thing simply toxic.
And what's worst, it went along 3.X marketing campaign, rising the current generation of unwashed villagers playing game in the deep delusion they are what makes the hobby great.

>>49953639
Because he cared about you.

>>49953684
Again - why should I care? Literally dozens of people die every minute. One old fart this or that way is meaningless. Especially since he stopped having any influence over the hobby after late 80s.
All the perpetually repeated memes are on average 25 years old, That also tells how bad the scene is itself, if the biggest thing ever happening to it was three decades ago.

>>49953729
Not him, but - so what?

I care for my goldfishes. That doesn't mean they will care if I stop, especially since the tank is self-sufficient, so I can literally die and they won't notice
Oh look, how fitting for the situation.

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>>49948669
>he's still a gnostic

>>49947081
A weird thread is fitting for a weird guy. Fitting.

>>49953567
>American
>Christian
Those two things don't mesh together, mate.

>>49953567
>"free drugs" on the pannel where the guy report his sister
So that's the big reward.

>>49953684
"Hi there"
-Death, 2006

>>49952550
it's honestly not that complicated. people just try to make it seem that way so they can have an excuse to not listen.

it's like when your boss gives you a new job you don't wanna do so you pretend to not understand the instructions.

>>49943253
Joseph Christian, his Bibles & Beasts character died, so he had nothing to leave for.

May he RPG in peace, the lunatic.

>>49953997
>the lunatic
And we've got our name for muslim enemies of Jack Chick RPG...

>>49950053
Oh man, that reference takes me back a ways.

>>49954079
>that pun
10/10, underrated post

>>49953744
>that one anon who's really upset that so many people are enjoying a thread

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>>49954398
For those confused: According to Jack Chick, Muslims worship the moon god.

>>49954670
>implying they don't

>>49950930
Was he still writing Tracts into the 2010s?

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>>49954730
He never stopped (well, until just now, anyway).

Here's the last tract he ever did. It was just a few months ago.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1162/1162_01.asp

>>49954730
Chick Publications is still producing 'em, though there's no real way to tell whether Chick himself was actually involved.

>>49954776
Leviticus proves that Stewie is gay? I thought Stewie proved that himself

Also isn't the TV being a "family alter" not a good thing anyway?

>>49954819
Correct, the old panel is meant to be bad too. Note the Bible being ignored on top of the TV. If you ever do anything that's not worshipping Jesus, you're an awful person in Chick's book.

Chick's trying to say it's even worse now, though, since people are watching shows that glorify homosexuality.

>>49954670
Isn´t Jesus not at least a prophet and "saint" for our Muslim brothers?
Well why go in deeper when you can make easy answers.
Also Shiites love crossdressesing and some males become "brides of Allah".

Jack Chick did nothing wrong

>>49946892
Well then he's a heretic, so hell it is.

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>>49954897
Under Jack Chick's logic, all Muslims are secret Catholics, and Catholics hate Jesus, ergo Muslims hate Jesus.

He never gave a fuck about the facts.

>>49954923
wait, don't protestants do wafer biscuits too?

>>49954956
I always like the emphasis on *have* to do that. Makes it seem like her next line is going to be "it's just a prank, bro!"

>>49954963
Yes, but their reasons for it vary. Some Protestants, like Catholics, still believe the Eucharist is the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ, while other Protestants (including Jack Chick) think it's purely symbolic.

There's a whole tract about all of this, in which Chick explains that Catholics literally worship cookies.

https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0074/0074_01.asp

>>49954889
Depends on who were talking to.
Some regard him as a prophet in Islam ʿĪsā.
Some dig his mother (Maryam) way more then him.
Then there's the Ahmadiyya who say he got rescued and went to fucking Kashmir.

Regardless he's mentioned plenty of times in the Quran and Mohammed respected Jesus and his teachings a great deal.

>>49954923
> We European wars of religion now.

>>49954889
He is. One of the most important one actually, and he was totally a Muslim apparently.

I've heard there are signs that he was actually more important than Mohammed in early Islam. I guess Mohammed couldn't just said straight up he was the most important man to ever have existed, you have to wait to have your own sycophants for that.

>>49947081
We're talking, on the internet, about the death of a highly religious guy nobody liked. The fact that it's only "weird" is astounding.

>>49955003
>Be Jack Chick
>Convinced that the Candlestick-makers are part of a vast CathoSatanic conspiracy
>This is surely a reasonable position and not in any way crazy

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>>49953684
I find it hilarious that this comic could completely switch the sides of the argument, and it would still remain essentially the same. It doesn't help that evolution is treated like a dogmatic religion, rather than science.

>>49953762
Are yoy saying you're as stupid as a goldfish?

>>49954670
The evidence he's bringing up probably isn't wrong, but he's not taking into account how religion will change over time. The Yaweh of the hebrews used to be a storm god more fitting for nomadic peoples, but when they settled their traditions changed, especially with contact with nearby civilizations like Babylon and Persia. And then those ideas end up getting mixed with Greek and Roman thought as Christianity develops. The only reason Jack can even make the argument that he does is that he's discounting how a 'pagan' religion can be influenced by nearby religions and evolve into its own faith. Of course a desert-dwelling people would have a traditional reverence for the moon, which would be worked into a new faith influenced by contact with the Byzantines and old Zoroastrianism.

>>49956149
Also, considering every Chick Tract ever somehow involves Heaven or Hell, it's worth mentioning the Jews never cared much about the afterlife. Those ideas only came around after they'd had contact with the Persians, Greeks, and Romans, all of whom believed in an afterlife that rewards the good and punishes the evil.

In other words, Jack Chick's just as much of a heretic as everyone else.

>>49956149
Well yeah, but if a religion purports to be the "one truth" then it can't admit to having changed over time. That'd mean having been (or even currently being) wrong.
He's just letting the knife cut one way and ignoring that it cuts the other.

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>>49946217
I used to wonder what the world would have been like if Gnosticism had been dominant instead of Catholicism.
Women priests, buttsex, and even a bit of nihilism

>>49953567
That's a messed up looking kid.

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Happy Halloween Jack Chick.

>>49953729
So? That makes it even worse. Evils committed out of kindness or benevolence are like, twice or three times as bad.
At the end of the day, he was a heretic whose actions only caused pointless fear and pain.
I'm not going to shed tears for puppets of the great baby-head in the sky or for the deluded scaffolds of His millennial kingdom.

>>49946279
This is delightful. You are delightful. Well done.

>>49946200
PRAISE YALDABAOTH

>>49953567
Doesn't most Rapture theology say that kids get spirited away because they're too young to be held responsible for their sins?

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>>49943803
Totally ignored by the thread, but I appreciate it.

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>>49957566
Praise be!

>>49946151
I know one that was all-girl for a while, only found out when a guy I game with got brought in as a GM because he knew some of the girls and wanted to introduce them to Apocalypse World.

He stopped playing with them, but last I heard most of them are still together and playing.

>>49946171
Fuck, Jackie boy was a Gnostic?

This makes all of his theology make more sense. And makes him even more of an egregiously heretical idiot than before.

>>49946605
But anon, that is the case, hence why the church has had so many schisms. God must be some form of autistic because he has terrible communication skills.

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>>49949557
>We will rip DOWN this pagan temple!

Best part of an almost unsalvageable movie. At least they were good Catholics.

>>49957791
Other way around. From the perspective of the heaven lies, we're all autistic five-year-olds.

Not ready for school yet, can't listen or interact with the real world worth a damn, we don't interact at all except to demand our wishes be met immediately, even if said demands are not healthy (like practically every autistic kid, we all have a sweet tooth, spiritually speaking. Or a favorite food that we will consume to the exclusion of all else potentially beneficial- lust/pride/wrath/the sins etc.)

Basically, as fallen mortals we are locked inside our own heads and largely unwilling to force ourselves to become functional.

>>49952309
While that was a factor, I think the real trick there was accessibility. Normies could download a game to play on a device they will always have with them, often designed to be played in very short sessions. It's incredibly accessible and a way to fill in the short gaps of time you spend waiting for various things throughout your day.

>>49950930
God fucking dammit, Jack, stop making points I agree with

>>49947577
Honestly, it's a pretty good defence of the man. He didn't hate the sinner, he wished for our redemption. Of course his tracts were propoganda so sinners were displayed as bad. Also, the whole converting to Christianity after serving in WW2 makes a lot of sense.

I don't like what the man did, but I don't hate him.

>>49954776
>1961
>smiling and watching a gunfight
>Today
>character is gay
Because there's reasons to explode a man's guts out onto the ground, but under no circumstances can someone be gay.
>50 years ago this would have been unthinkable
Juvenal writes that at the time Jesus lived, there were so many eunuchs in the middle east they were basically a third gender. Also, it was the privilege of the retarius to rape a man he had defeated in the arena. The world now is a kind, quiet place compared to where Jesus grew up, our concern about tiny details is childish, jack chick was an ignorant fuckwit.

More celebrated by us evil gamers then his own religious zealots.

Can I still order Chick Tracts to give out to kids on Halloween?

>>49958630
The biggest irony surrounding Jack Chick was that, despite his persecution complex making him claim society hates Christians, he was pretty damn anti-Christian himself.

He hated Catholics, he hated Orthodox Christians, he hated Mormons, he hated Jehovah's Witnesses, and he hated the more liberal branches of Protestantism like Methodism, Episcopalianism, and any others who think "You know, maybe we SHOULDN'T be dicks to homosexuals."

If your beliefs differed from Chick's in the slightest, you're just a Satanist posing as a Christian who's in on the conspiracy.

Or maybe Jack Chick was secretly a Satanist all along and his tracts were designed to make Christians look bad.

>>49958197
Found the Republican.

>>49958698
>If your beliefs differed from Chick's in the slightest, you're just a Satanist posing as a Christian who's in on the conspiracy.
Stop right here, don't misrepresent the man opinion! You could also be a gullible sheep.

>>49958698
Found the satanist

>>49942922
i hope he picked the right christianity, it would be really embarrassing otherwise

>>49958698

You have never been around fundamentalists I can see.

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>>49946171

The 1 corinthisans quote translation is wrong.

It actually states that true love is not envious.

True love IS jealous, very much so in fact. The difference between envy and jealousy is that envy is the desperate desire of something you don't have and have no right to.

Jealousy is something you did have and was taken away by whatever means. In the old testament you will see examples of God being "Jealous" towards his peoples when they are seduced by foreign influences.

Never once in a proper accurate translation does it say he is envious.

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>>49958698
There is a lot of infighting that goes on between the different Christian sects, you know. At its worst, denominations can split over slight eschatological disagreements. If I remember correctly, there are two different types of Amish distinguished only by whether or not they allow zippers (although to be fair, the Amish are a particularly weird edge case). When you have a religion as old as Christianity with as long a history of splitting up and regrouping as Christianity, that's what happens.

This isn't even getting into the really weird versions of Christianity like Gnosticism (>>49946171 >>49946187 >>49946200 >>49946217 >>49949060)

Only fundamentalists and the most hardcore of baptists consistently get as vehement about it as Chick did, though.

>>49958709
Not a seppo. Also socially liberal, pro gay marriage and what not.

>>49957774
No he wasn't. The way he cites the OT (e.g. >>49950930) proves otherwise.

>>49956238
Sounds like a good setting idea.
What would a gnostic inspired Dogs in the vineyard be like?

>>49946171

My favorite passage is still the old man summoning bears to kill children who made fun of him for being bald.

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>>49959534

Mah word 42 is an odd number. Isn't there a movie in which that is a central answer or something?

>>49959641
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

>>49953639
>Why should I care?
And yet here you are, posting.

>>49959641
2 Kings?

It was a pretty decent movie.

>>49959641
But anon, 42 is even

>>49959175

>thinking anyone goes to bible studies

my favorite is still turn the other cheek where jesus meant "if you wanna step bitch bring it"

>>49958069
wow that's actually a really apt comparison. good job anon. I'm not used to seeing that level of comprehension on 4chan, especially on religious matters.

>>49960534
Eh, not exactly right. It was closer to "don't retaliate, but also don't just stand there and let them insult you" as getting backhanded was considered quite a bit more insulting than a normal palm-slap.

Though I'll admit my source on that interpretation still isn't the most reliable I could quote, so if you have a good source on yours I'll gladly yield to your higher expertise on the matter.

>>49946217
>berserk.jpg

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>>49960534
>thinking anyone goes to bible studies

Oh boy, as a Christian, this is absolutely correct.

>spend almost ten years studying in seminars and independent theology studies
>even learn Hebrew
>always try to understand the cultural and historical context of texts
>study a wide range of other religion and cultures for even better understanding
>most church studies is just read a verse, state the obvious and end it in a feel good message.
>there's barely any studying
>and most are content that way
>to top it off, I never got the teaching position I striped for

It's angering that they don't read more than just that single verse on a Friday night. Theres a lot to read and study.
>mfw They'll never get to read about how Saul was so fucking tired of David, he made gave him the retarded task of bringing him an insane number of Phillistine foreskins, just to make sure he gets killed

>>49956336
>Laughing place

Ooh, Disney gonna sue somebody.

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Just a warning from /v/ DO NOT STEAL TINGLE'S WORDS he will become the fucking anti-christ if you do.

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>>49956027
>>49953706

Guys
I must know
what system shall we use to run the Chick RPG?

>>49963970
FATAL

As a Catholic I have to say that I wish we were as exciting as Chick made us out to be.

>>49963970
DnD 1e should be the best

>>49956149
The major problem is that Allah used to mean "god"
The evidence he's bringing is pants on head retarded

>>49953672
You keep talking like this is a bad thing

>>49964324
>t. socially inept mouth-breather

>>49964344
Yes, and?

>>49963970
In Nomine Satanis - Magna Veritas

>>49953567
I need the commissar edit of this one

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>>49965192
Thanks, anon

>>49949702
You must have no fucking idea you blasphemer.

He was a shitty person and it's a shame he was around for so long.

>>49963970
Old World of Darkness.
The setting already has the New World Order, blood-mages worshiping the Mother Goddess, video game companies trying to brainwash kids into Satanic acts, role playing games literally being evil, All-American Protestant witch-hunters with superpowers, evil vampire conspiracies in the Catholic Church, murderous feminist werewolves, devil-worshipping idolaters, Gypsies with Gypsy magic, sinister Asian super-vampires invading Commiefornia and God knows what else.
Literally everything that Jack Chick believed in is already there. Especially the older editions had some seriously wacky D&D monsters going on, and just plugging those things into a game of Hunter: the Reckoning gives a perfect Chickverse game.

>>49965513
This, probably. I'd play this.

>>49964307
Allah still does mean "god". That's what Arabic-speaking Christians call the Christian version of God.

>>49959348
I don't know, what is regular Dogs in the Vineyard like?

>>49966890
It's etymology is derived from elohim right?

>>49965513
>Literally everything that Jack Chick believed in is already there.
Which is funny because apparently otherkin really identify with changeling: the lost, the whole I once lived in a different world as was a fanciful beast of some sort but now i'm stuck in this human body pretending to fit in thing.

Maybe chick and other kinds are both tapping into some alternate universe where WoD is real. It's kind of hard to have two unrelated groups go crazy in related ways afterall.

>>49967088
El=god
Eloi=my god
Elohim=gods
El->Al= God
Allah=gods

So yeah
also the gnostics totally have it right, in the old testament, God is always plural, in the new, Christ uses the singular, especially eloi

>>49955066
That's actually consistent with early Christian reactions to Muslims. The Byzantines treated them at first as Christian heretics.

>>49946062
Well, he believed in sole fide, so, if he was righy, he went to heaven. But sole fide is stupid.

>>49967193
Well to be fair, they technically are.

And Christians are Jewish heretics.

And the jooz are probably heretics of an even earlier religion that I can't think of right now.

>>49967148
Are you sure they're totally unrelated? Otherkin could have had influence from post-Christian hippies.

>>49967183
... and yet those plural nouns are often used with singular verbs. Hebrew is weird.

>>49967305
>And the jooz are probably heretics of an even earlier religion that I can't think of right now.
Zoroastrianism?

>>49967305
Judaism and by extension Christianity are the same as what would happen if the Greeks slowly decided all Gods except Zeus were not unimportant and then eventually that no other gods exist.

>>49967482
>... and yet those plural nouns are often used with singular verbs. Hebrew is weird.
Modern Arabic does this. Plurals more than 10 are treated as singular

>>49967482
>and yet those plural nouns are often used with singular verbs. Hebrew is weird.
I'm sure this has been cited as proof of the Trinity at some point in time.

>>49967498
No. Although there Zoroastrian ideas probably had some influence on later Judeo-christian theology.

>>49942922
>fucking jack chick is dead
>somehow i've missed this for several days in a row
fuck shit.
i love these comics, their hilarious, and hes literally insane as almighty fuck.

>>49971999
I want to see what he has to see if he is going to purgatory, or maybe is punished to star in one of his own stories?

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>>49953567

The 1970's version of this tract is way the fuck better


Why was the 70's such a good decade for malthusian dystopia?

>>49973445
I'm guessing it's because it's just after Vietnam, hopes were low, and we weren't quite in the entertainment boom of the 80s yet with all the videogames and such.

>>49953567
I love how every dystopic author looked at the nationalist wars of the first half of the 20th century, and then the ethnic cleansing in Africa during the second half, and still managed to say "yes, in the future there will be no nations"

>>49953567
This vein of "i'm so oppressed" is very, very common in christian communities. I should know, I grew up in it.

>>49974278
It was one of the big beliefs of the 1950s and 1960s. Personally I think it was pushed deliberately to try and keep the populations of the European empires calm both at home and abroad when they were forced to dismantle themselves.

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I had no idea he made one for millennials

>>49975413
Those fucking hands.

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>>49975413
And such helpful explanations

>>49973445
>The 1970's version of this tract is way the fuck better

http://www.boolean-union.com/Chick/LastGeneration/LastGeneration.htm

Wow, I had no idea! Thanks for the tip

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I had to look Ixchel up

>>49976354
>global warming experts pray to Ixchel
w-w-what?

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>>49976354
>Ixchel
Wow, already a use for my newest reaction image!

>>49946062

As a Catholic, I can say at worst he's going to sit in purgatory for a bit, since even if he was hopelessly, laughably misguided, he did what he did out of genuine love for the Lord.

>>49976666
>the worst he's going to do is sit in purgatory
>as a Catholic
nice try quads Satan

Jack Chick confirmed for eternal salvation

>>49976666
Giga-Satan?!

>>49951632
What is the context for this image? Are the gays particularly bad at finding doors according to the Bible? Is there a passage about 'He who so taketh it up the Gary Glitter, yea shalt he be unable to leave or enter a room!' Or something?

>>49977899
The Angels they were trying to rape blinded them with light. They presumably watched several dozen blind gays bumble around their safehouse for hours.

The story was taken from the destruction of Sodom.

>>49942922
I found one of his tracts when I was visiting a relatives church when I was a child. Because of that and the stigma my home church had around yu-gi-oh cards I stayed away from roleplaying until highschool. (was playing duel monsters despite the concerns regardless).

It took a good friend pitching a GURPS cyberpunk campaign to get me to consider playing tabletop games. I don't play often but I'm glad I got over the stigma.

I'll say that despite the shit Jack caused I hope he didn't suffer and he's found some peace. But man do I feel like he missed the mark

>>49946200
>bottom quote
>hey guys heres this book that claims to be about real people who really existed
>also claims to talk about the nature of good and evil
>surprised that it contains horrible shit

>>49977973
I always find it funny that Lot is still the "good" guy in that story, even after the whole "Hey, please don't pound my house guests in the ass. Why don't you fuck my virgin daughters half to death instead?" thing.

>>49979655
I never got that. Sure, it was the Christians who later prized virginity, but why would giving up your daughters to a bunch of violent rapists ever be a good thing?

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>>49952550
Jack Chick's brand of Christianity could be called Maltheism.

God exists, but he's a real asshole. If you're not on his team, you are fucked. Luckily, to be on his team, you just need to follow some arbitrary rules. Don't worry about being a "good person" or "being kind" or "humble" or "just". All you need to do is say the right words and bang! You're on the winning team.

There are other teams - Gaia, Zeratul, Cthulhu, Ozzy Osbourne, the Catholics, the Jews, the Irish, the Mexicans, and the Ecologists.

But they're all fucked. Our team is going to win and they are going to suffer, horribly, forever.

Because fuck them. Our team's the best.

Turn the other cheek and smile, because the guy that hit you is going to /burn/.

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>>49979668
There are a lot of stories in the Bible that don't make a goddamn lick of sense. We don't know the context in which they'd originally be read.

But in this case, it's an example of how Lot was an old-school, God-fearing man. Given the choice between protecting his guests and protecting his family, he chose his guests, as the Law demands. Hospitality didn't just require a bowl of peanuts and a spare towel. It was a duty, demanded by God (or sensibly written in to prevent tribes from tearing each other apart and allowing negotiation and commerce, depending on how you want to read it.).

So Lot was just being a good host.

>>49979744
Sounds like a Patriots fan.

Are there any tracts about the Giants making it to the Superbowl?

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>>49946171
>>49946187
>>49946200
I love things like this. It's almost like rules lawyering in D&D - you can't see past the rules to get at the /intent/ of the authors, see the themes they were trying to evoke, the stories they were trying to tell.

People get hung up trying to cross-reference books written over hundreds of years by dozens of authors into one cohesive whole because... well, it's "the Bible", right? It's one book.

If you made a book that was a mix of Byron's poems, the musings of William Blake, a very short essay on Chaucer, a screed by some rancid hack with a grudge against the Germans, bits of a cookbook, a morality play, a travelogue, and Polonius's instructions to Laertes... if you bound all that together and said "behold! A cohesive book!"

You'd be mad. Only nerds and the religious ever get so stuck they can't take a step back and look at context.

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>>49979744
Yup. Obedience without compassion.

Obey your fuckwit parents, even if they steal your identity to take out payday loans or sell your body to buy heroin. God demands it, and God doesn't make deals. It's /written/ - your "morals" won't save you from being on the losing team and burning forever.

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>>49979668
Because in the ancient days hospitality was the most sacred virtue. Guest right was tantamount.

Also of the 300 times "know" is used in the bible it only meant sex 11 times.

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>>49946217
Come on, doesn't everyone?

>>49953567
>kid puts on a hitler youth uniform and is indoctrinated against his family by a new age healer dressed as a teletubby
Not as weird as the one where everyone is just kinda ok with the guy raping his 8 year old daughter and giving her syphilis because he asks god for forgiveness.

>>49981556
you got that one?

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>>49981571
Oh wait, it was just herpes.

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>>49981619
I love the look of utter dispair on her face.

>You can't unrape me or unneglect me you evil monsters...

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>>49981597
>>49981605
>>49981611
>>49981619
holy FUCK

>>49981636
Yeah, its probably his most horrifying work that I've encountered. There's no humor to be found in Lisa, only despair.

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>>49981597
And the entire tract is about how you can... basically dump all the punishment you deserve onto jesus.

>"It's alright. You prayed, so now it's all on him!"
>CHRISTIANISM HO!

>>49942922
Aw man, seriously? That tract was one of my prime motivators for getting into rpgs. I mean guys like Chick and Texe Marrs constantly claimed that heavy metal, comic books, and D&D were the work of Satan, and I figured since I was already into the first two I might as well go for the trifecta. Condemnation from a guy like him was among the best praise the scene ever got.

Oh well, I suppose he's in Heaven, finding excuses to hate the angels, now.

>>49981673
"Sorry Jack, old Norse pantheon was the right one after all."

>>49981673
My grandmother once asked me if it was true those books would make you sacrifice to satan.

I told her none of the gods I'd read there would ever ask for something so stupid.

... turns out that was a stupid answer.

>>49942922
Great. Now that the last line of the defense between us and the public morale has been removed we can finally sacrifice babies in public at our abortion temples in the name of the our prophet Richard Dawkins, the first and greatest of the Lord Satan's loyal followers.

>>49981785
FUCK YEAH MORALE FAILURE

>Squad broken

WAIT WHAT?

>>49981834
>*blams u*

>>49981785
morals.
public morals.

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>>49981785
Don't worry, secular liberalism is pretty much already over. A failed ideology, for a failed people.

>>49964208
Catholic here. I think we are pretty exciting. Especially since all of the Confirmed are Paladins of the Church with transformed souls and the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. Maybe I'm just a huge nerd though.

>>49979655
Another question would be how could his daughters could still be virgin despite living in the pit of perversion and corruption that the city was supposed to be. It's not like they were very young, and weren't they married?

>>49981619
> My rapist told me he love me, that should reassure me!

>>49982474
>Another question would be how could his daughters could still be virgin despite living in the pit of perversion and corruption that the city was supposed to be. It's not like they were very young, and weren't they married?

1. They weren't natives to the city, they just moved there

2. Pretty sure they were unmarried because later on when they're living in a cave, they get Lot drunk and both fuck him because they get baby fever

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>>49981597
>>49981605
>>49981611
>>49981619
>mfw

>>49953639
Because a fellow human being died, because the world will never again have a shitty christian chick tract again, that small spark of funny propaganda is now gone, europe has become the less.

>>49958698
Damn now instead of Jack Chick RPG I wanna see a re-edit of Paranoia with Chick serving as Friend Computer

>>49953639
Because the king of unintentionally hilarious Christian comics is no longer here to entertain the world, and the world is lesser for it.

>>49953840
>not Wassup?

>>49954834
Sounds like my dad, I wasn't allowed to watch stuff like Power Rangers and Samurai Jack growing up because it was "Satanic" and didn't have the phrase "Praise the Lord!" every third sentence. Oddly enough, movies like Alien were allowed.

>>49964208
Catholicism is the closest the world has gotten to a magocracy since Solomon, Wizard-King of Israel.

>>49982492
1 I know they initially came from elsewhere, but weren't they there for a while?
2 I remembered something about Lot failing to convince his sons in law to get the fuck out with his family. May be wrong though.

>>49947577
>never saw "somebody loves me" before now

Fuck, these feels man... ;_;

>>49953997
>>49954079
>>49982756
>Jack Chick RPG
>Bibles & Beasts
Please, /tg/, let it happen.

It's the best thing we can do. It would be his monument. His testament. The culmination of his whole life.
Whole universe made of all of his thoughts, of all of his creations. Parody of parody itself.

Please, /tg/, let it happen.

>>49983640
It's the year of the Lord 1980, and D&D is taking the world by force.
In the dark pages of the Monstrous Manual lie summoning formulas for hundreds of Godless beasts, and the "Player's Guide" and "Dungeon Master's Guide" inform the followers of Satan of how best to defeat these creatures and herd them towards the faithful oppressed of the United States of America. Meanwhile, evolutionism, feminism and homosexuality are taught in schools, and the streets throng with damned who could be saved no matter what they do if they just put their faith in Jesus.
One day, despite what the anti-Christian propagandists have said, a Satanic cult based in a residential basement in Boise, Iowa, finally unlocks the dark secrets in the Monstrous Manual after sacrificing 666 small household animals belonging to innocent children in loving Christian families (who are loving only because they have sought forgiveness in Jesus, despite that thing with Lisa). The monsters of D&D erupt from the pages, headed by the cackling, goat-horned Satan himself, and in a matter of days, the heartland of America is turned into a wasteland of marauding "adventurer parties" who have made deals with the Devil to escape into their role-playing game characters. They slaughter monsters and humans alike for their "quest giver NPCs", sinister mouthpieces of Satan disguised as elves and other monstrous races, and the faithful are treated as the most dangerous kind of monsters because they hold faith in Jesus, the one thing that can finally destroy the armies of Satan.
The sinister strategicians of Satan, the Dungeon Masters, hole up in deep caverns that were once steam tunnels used for D&D suicides, madly scouring the Monstrous Manual for summons from Hell that can defeat the valiant Christians of America.
They might be scattered, their guns scarce, their houses dashed to splinters and their faith rocked - but it is not broken.

>>49983949
Armed with only their faith and whatever weapons they can scavenge, the oppressed Protestant minority of 1982 United Dungeons of America (ruled personally by Satan, the Horned One, and his council of New-Age Healers spreading evolutionist propaganda to the betrayers and deceived innocents holed up in the cities safe from the adventurers) fight to destroy the Empire of the Antichrist himself.
The role-players, the video-gamblers, the drug addicts and the idolaters might finally have gotten their way. The people worship Gaia and Ixchel, and the adventurers of the Godless wastes that were once the Protestant heartlands of North Carolina, Kansas, Arkansas, Texas, Iowa and Idaho worship Erythnul and Hextor.
The huddled communes of Christians left are tormented by roving packs of adventurers who have made animal sacrifices in exchange for becoming their twisted, devil-worshipping role-playing characters.
The faces of Satan, Moradin, Corellon Larethian and Gruumsh, churn forth more and more monstrous races to muddy the purity of the American race and force them to compromise on their faith by bringing Satan into their families.
The husks of the White House, the Pentagon and countless other government buildings were sold by the Communists to make into training dungeons for adventurers, where they slaughter stand-ins for Christians amidst irreplaceable artifacts of the faithful era.
But the faith in Jesus Christ still stands strong.
Imagine a post-apocalyptic setting populated by D&D monsters and player races, with Communist mega-cities where children are indoctrinated into believing in evolution by feminist werewolves and New-Age healers who give free brainwashing drugs for selling out Christians and parroting homosexual rhetoric.
Bands of Christians scavenge the land for weapons and food, resisting the evil whispers of foreign countries who do not know Jesus telling them that the rest of the world can help - for the only way to be saved is to accept Christ.

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There's already a Christian D&D knockoff that was made in the 1980s specifically to promote Christianity and lure kids away from D&D.

>>49982474
One of his daughters was married. Two not.

Though you have a good point about them probably not being as virgin as their father hoped. Then again, two or so chapters later they're super worried about how they were still virgins and had no children so they drugged their dad and dateraped him, so maybe the amorality of Sodom affected them in different ways.

>>49981933
>paladin
Can you lay on hands?
How does detect evil work? Like can you actually see the aura or is it a smell like some describe or something you just feel?

>>49984122
There's a difference between that and a game made with a bit of meta-awareness and modern game design.
The D&D knockoff was fun for neither Christians nor atheists, going by how it never comes up, and if you want it to be a tongue-in-cheek tribute to Jack Chick that's still playable by normal roleplayers, you'd need to build a new game.

>>49984122
Really curious about this. What was it called, how is the ruleset? Any interesting classes or things we could learn in terms of new ideas for tabletop game design?

>>49942922
Damm, 2016.

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>you'd need to build a new game.
Sounds like just a little campaign level tweaking would nail it to me.

>>49984261
>Really curious about this. What was it called, how is the ruleset? Any interesting classes or things we could learn in terms of new ideas for tabletop game design?

It's called DragonRaid, and it's awful. It's an imitation D&D made by a Christian pastor who wanted to lure impressionable young people away from satanic D&D by using a Christian ruleset.

He didn't really know much about D&D, so the rules are insane.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/7gghri1yk04r538/Dragonraid.rar

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>DM (Devoted Missionary): As you go outside the church for the search of some food you find yourself approached by Jehovah's Witnesses, what do you do?
>Chris: I try to convert them before they try to convert us.
>DM: Roll for Faith against their Ignorance.
>Magdalene: Oh, it won't ever work, their Ignorance stats are too high. I'll hit them with crucifix, they'll meet our God and Saviour.
>DM: As you swing the cross you all can see them showing their true nature - ugly, red devils with horns and foul-smelling saliva dripping from the fanged mouths.
>Isaac: I KNEW IT!

>>49984122
I don't think it's about making the Christian RPG, but about gathering all Chick's tracts together with a touch of parody.

>>49984320
Not a new system, a new game.
The system is just one part of a game, and if you change the fluff entirely along with the setting as well as having to introduce new mechanics and player options, you're already looking at a new game.
The World of Darkness and FEAR games use the same system, but they're all standalone games.

>>49984208
>maybe the amorality of Sodom affected them in different ways.
So Lot may have prevent them from "sinning in the flesh" but not in their mind... Actually that's an interesting way of seeing it.

>>49984276
No need to curse anything, for all years have come short of the glory of god.

>>49984331
As I recall this is a game where "Righteously Mingle With Evil" is a skill and Satan is a dragon.

>>49957666
>satan trips.

>>49984359
I don't remember any tract on Jehovah's Witnesses, but there is one with mormons doing the door-to-door thing: "The Visitors". Sadly not about aliens.

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And I though this being parody ridicules his logic is all there.
http://www.weirdcrap.com/chick/archive.html

Seriously, wtf!

>>49984763
>And I though this being parody ridicules his logic is all there.
What?

>>49956238
Imagine all the little changes that would happen if early Irish Christianity's practices had been adopted by the revitalized Catholics. We would've had women priests and bishops, priests able to marry, and some other cool stuff I can't remember.

>>49982819
Anon, not sure how to say this, but your father wasn't a religious fanatic. He was just racist.

>>49984448
I mean, they raped their dad because they were worried about not bring able to find hustands in the wilderess that was their new home after the fall of Sodom.
They certainly didn't leave that city innocent little snowflakes. But I could see him having prevented actual behavior, much to their chagrin.

In fact, after seeing the corruption of the city, and the conversion of the one daughter who refused to leave I could see him actively refusing to marry them to the locals long after they were past the usual age for such, which would explain why the aforementioned incestuous mutiny rape happened almost immediately. They were worried about biological clock.

>>49985407
>and some other cool stuff I can't remember.
Giant dogs, plentiful booze, and a nameless, longing emptiness that could never be filled until the discovery of the potato?

>>49985537
Would also add further explanation to why he was willing to toss them to the mob. Not only was he bound by hospitality laws, treated sacred even by the surrounding Yahweh-less cultures, but if his daughters were pretty obviously too far gone anyways, might as well throw them to the evil men they had been begging to marry to protect thsee much more important guests. Let them see if it's as fun as they thought it would be.

And the only other instance we see of something like this is when in Judges, too ilustrate just how bad Israel had gotten, a very similar situation happens only instead of angels it's a guy who had just went to re-collect his cheating runaway wife. Only in that situation, the tribute offered wasn't the house-owner's daughters or even servant, but that cheating wife (she did not survive the night, btw). So i'd imagine then that Lot must have seen these two daughters in much the same way that guy saw his cheating wife, bare minimum, further giving credence to this idea that though still physically pure, he considered these two girls to be morally bankrupt.

What I find to be craziest is that he simply cannot conceive atheism, like it literally cannot penetrate his brain that some people simply do not worship anything

Even the supposedly educated mom says "evolution is our religion" and the dystopian thing has people doing pagan rituals

He was completely incapable of fathoming people simply not believing in anything in particular

>>49985834
Well it has to be portrayed as evil, and therefore you have to have satanic motives for everything not-protestant.

>>49985834
To an extent it's true though.
Anything where you begin to personify the forces acting upon you, especially if you do things that you feel can influence it or make requests from it, that's a religion. Maybe only a rudimentary one, but a religion.

So the way that a lot of people talk about nature or evolution, they are indeed treating it to pagan god status. It is the ruler of __, and you thank it for __, and isn't it's works amazing.

>>49985988
That is a ridiculous copout religious people use to try and pretend nobody is REALLY an atheist.

Personification is just something people do, it does not imply religious feeling or belief.

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>>49985988
This is also true of things one worships, such as sex or money. To give worship to something treats it with diety status.
When someone on /gif/ says you're doing gods work after giving sauce for some porn, do you think they're talking about the Christian god? And why else would people decorate with phallic idols, as in days of old, if they did not wish to invoke and exonerate such? It may not be intentional, nor may they even be aware, but their actions clearly imply a certain amount of belief in some kind of fealty to these concepts deified.

>>49985834
And they HATE god! Because they don't believe so of course they hate the god they don't believe exist.

>>49959489
>My favorite passage is still the old man summoning bears to kill children who made fun of him for being bald.

The absurdity of that passage in English isn't present in the original language. An angry mob of what in the original lanuage can mean only either young men or young male servants went to kill Elisha. Them chanting "go up Elisha", meaning were going to send you to your god like your predecessor Elijah, and insulting him for being bald, which was an implication he was bald because he was a societal outcast, blasphemer, or criminal, were both serious insults that could have been construed as threats in their day.

I try not to be a super Christfag all the time but seeing this misinterpretation of the story all over really grinds my gears.

>>49988092
Great, so it's translated like shit.