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>>50634307

>True Names
What is an Imperial Daemons True Name? A infinite choir singing the praises of the Emperor in it's unique way.
It is inevitable that Chaos will acquire an Imperial Angels True Name. What atrocities will they force it to commit? What ritual will they use to debase it?

>Greater Daemon
There are more to Humanity than just the SoB. What other GD than the Ebon Avenger (OP image) exists? What values are they formed from?
Ebon Avengers : Keepers of the holy flame, Bringers of righteous wrath! All who look at them are filled with fear and adoration of the God Emperor. Sinners tear at their eyes and stop oit their ears, the Avenger's very presence wreaking unimaginable pain upon their senses.

>Daemon Prince(ss)
Sanguinor was an Imperial Daemon Prince before the passing of the Emperor wholly into the Warp, what other Princes and Princesses have come to be in that time hence?
Living Saints were the one of the first to ascend with the Emperor into Angelhood, his first Seraphim. What are the Living Saints of other areas of Humanity i.e. Imperial Guard? What glories must a mortal achieve to merit the Emperor's gaze upon them?

>Lesser Daemon
The Sisterhoods comrades in arms, the Angels of Mankind (??? image) are the most common, what multitude of forms can they take? Transmutating themselves to fit their purpose.
Do the endless stream of souls that flow from the endless deaths of mankind become their own Angels?

>Daemon Steeds
Those who have re-dedicated themselves to the glory of Mankind (??? image), but have otherwise considered themselves unworthy of following it themselves, these penitent souls are given purpose anew when the Emperor personally assign them a burgeoning Seraphim-to-be to guide and protect. What thoughts, as we can understand them, pass through the mind-analogues of these Angels as they execute their duty? How do they view their charge?
What other forms do they take, and what is their significance?

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>>50634352

>Daemon Beasts
A reminder to us all that Angels are still Daemons. Those who have faithfully followed the Words of the Emperor and done their duty, but otherwise have given no thought to said duty, are unlikely to become Angels in truth, and instead relegated to this mindless mass of choristers. It is a personal shame to the Emperor that his Daemons are mostly composed of these creatures, no matter that they are excluded from realspace. What do they look like physically? How do the faithful attempt to canonise or otherwise accept these things with their belief of the Imperial Faith?
What other Beasts may the souls of Mankind take?

>Unaligned Daemons
Does all the souls of Mankind go the Emperor? NAY! For the Chaos Gods would have long since starved if this was the case! So what are these human-things that look so much like the Lesser Angels? Daemons banished but not destroyed by the Emperor? Or are they the greatest tricks of the Great Enemy?! Lies and filth to make us lose out hope and faith in the indomitable will of Mankind and our Emperor!
Can a Daemon Unaligned ever become and Angel?

>>50634369
>Possession
Though the touch of an Imperial Angel is lighter than that of other Daemons, like the Emperor, it's tread is not light. Only those of great faith (and will) may bear an Imperial Daemon within their flesh without bursting apart with Holy Light. How are these rituals conducted? What respect are these individuals given? What powers are gifted and what life do these Nephilim live? How cursed their existence.
Can a man ever be purified of impure thought through the action of being burnt out by a forced possession? Having the Glory of the Emperor pass through you and burn away all the filth that encrusts your soul, what effects does it have on the penitent and the Angel involved? How is it carried out?

>Daemon Weapons
Imperial Daemons can be infused into weapons much like how other Daemons can be force. But since their submission is (likely) willful the weapon can be made stronger than those that must strain with keeping a Daemon in check.
Is this penance for Steeds who have let their charges die? What forms do these Angelic Weapons take? Does the Angel within whisper to their wielder or let them make their own decisions?

>Chaos Spawn
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[To believe that the Emperor would ever allow a thing like this to exist, let alone a Seraphim come to such an end, is BLASPHEMY of the highest order.]

>Daemonhosts
When the full power of an Angel is required, but too great to be expressed through possession, then a willing vessel may give themselves over completely to a Imperial Daemon. But take care, the rituals must be followed to properly cage the Numinous Choir that makes up the Angel, lest the possession fail. But what glorious a figure such a being will cut?
Humans can be possessed against their will, this is known. Can you tell me a tale of such a thing?

>>50634388
>Daemon-Possessed Vehicles
A subset of Angelic Weapons. Oh, how hot an Immolators fire must glow, lit with the images of Holy Truth? Oh, how sweet the Exorcists missiles must sound as they are propelled by litanies sang aplomb by His Angels?!
What changes are wrought to a vehicle when an Angel is invited to take it as their form? Do the Mechanicus tolerate this? Do they excommunicate every vehicle defiled by His Daemons?

>Pacts
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[By the Order of the Inquisition Remade { ]|[ } any further attempts to study this area will be punishable by death. If the charges are considered high enough and the Oracles speak Truth the condemned will be brought before the Emperor Himself.]

>>50634369
>>Daemon Beasts
I'd say that they'd likely take, at least partially, the forms of species domesticated by humans. It fits imo.

>>50634307
Sounds like a shitty idea tbqh.

>>50634533
Dogs for those who attack, sheep and cows for those who do naught but venerate the Emp. That what you mean?

>>50634307
>represented by Sisters of Battle ascending to become daemons of the Emperor.
Isn't that what living saints are?

>>50635019
Effectively. The concept is basically fast-forward to the point where the Emperor become a Chaos God in his own right, then develop Daemons for him.

>>50634388
>Daemon Weapons
All I'm picturing now is a chaos cultist finding an imperial daemon weapon and having to deal with it constantly whispering into their mind to PURGE THE UNCLEAN.

>>50634352
>What is an Imperial Daemons True Name?
If we're going with the "former SoB" idea, wouldn't it be the Sister's name?
Possibly with a few titles tagged on?

>>50636014
Well, it would really be that particular sister's true name before they were a Daemon.
Every living thing has one, but few learn it.

>>50634307
Bump

>>50634533
I personally enjoy the idea of them being "hydra harpies".

>>50637440
I'm not really positive how that'd work

>>50637440
I don't see the logic in that.

>>50637440
Me >>50637455 again, I do like the idea of imperial two headed eagle harpies though

Wait, is this that concept presented in the 50K fanfic? Where the Emperor finally dies and becomes a Chaos god?

>>50637530
Not really, sorta another take on the Chaos God Emperor, but not related to the 50K fic
Started with it's own idea of the SoBs as 'angels'/demons

>>50637455
>>50637488
You have a bird's body, two or more long necks, and then a lady's head at the end of them.
Plus standard daemon weirdness.

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>>50637662
Why?

>>50637662
That sounds to much like Chaos stuffs. Imperial aligned deamons are made by Big "Control Freak" E so I doubt that would look as weird.
Creatures trying as much as possible to look human but can't get there decently enough.

>>50637662
I think that'd probably be too bestial for creatures who are formed from all these ideals about humanity. That said, when I picture hydra harpy, I'm thinking something the mechanicus would have as one of their daemons. Blending together all these parts from nature and machine into something that could never exist, but does by the power of the omnissiah. also void dragon symbolism what with the draconic nature of hydras

What do you think other omnissian daemons would be? I'm picturing lots of serpents or tendrils made of cords, and lots of hooded faces.

>>50634307
>>50634352
>>50634369
>>50634388
>>50634406
This is fucking amazing

>>50637662
What >>50638484 said
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I think that'd probably be too bestial for creatures who are formed from all these ideals about humanity.
These things should be glorifying humanity first, albeit in an eldritch way, I'd say go more winged humanoid than beast with some human features

>>50638484
I'm thinking dragonic things would be the BIG ones
I'm...not actually sure about the small ones though, maybe vaguely skeletal reptilian things? Like they don't really look like an animal unless you squint level

>>50638659
ooh, skeletal also means we can play up a huge symbolism thing about how "THE MECHANICUS ARE THE BONES OF MANKIND" and lots of religious doctrine supporting the forge-world dominated infrastructure the imperium uses.
Combining that with teh whole triangle thing from last thread, we have the SoB's as the Mind, representing the ideals of the men and women of the imperium, the mechanicus/omnissiah as the Body, representing the imperium as infrastructure and creation, and the chosen of the Emperor as the Spirit, representing the unconqured souls of true humanity.

I just realized that this also means that we can start calling the powers of chaos the Four Corners to fit with the imperium's Good Triune.

>>50638713
I have no idea what you're talking about with the triangle thing, but I mostly suggested the skeletal part as a nod to the void dragon/necron connection

If the Emperor is a chaos God, then that means that there can be imperial chaos worlds.

World's where things are just "not right", but the maddened and mutayed inhabitants are considered favored by the Emperor for living in a world so influenced by him.

>>50638859
that a good point actually

what would that look like

>>50638713
last thread someone suggested that the imperium be represented by three points, as a counterpart to chaos' four. >>50605426

>>50638859
>>50638874
Those are called shrine worlds
Everything and every moment better be spent bowing, scraping, and praying or otherwise exalting Him, his Angels, or his Saints, in whatever manner local Sisters deem is most appropriate.
Failure to do so warents a personal visit from the Sisters or one of his Angels, and it's probably not gonna be a fun one.
Only exceptions are doing thing that would help you to worship better and/or spread the faith

>>50638874
Probably depends on the planet.

I would expect something like how FFG did it; each planet manifests the concepts and creed of it's associated God in wildly different ways.

A khornate world can be both a frozen Viking land or a giant sea where the inhabitants must constantly fight off giant leviathans. A nurglite would can be both a massive landscape made out of both living and dead flesh, or a wasteland where incredible acid storms break down the various shantytowms to dust in hours , forcing the natives to rebuild.

>>50639061
thinking about it, would kreig in this universe qualify as an imperial daemon world? I could see it being under the purview of the omnissiah and the emperor both, with the combination of factory-style soldier production meeting imperial guard ideals and design.

>>50639169
It's really only a daemon world if it's bathed in warp energies, but considering that a lot of time must have passed for the Emperor to become a chaos god any number of things may have changed.
Kreig could very well be in a warp storm.

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>>50634369
>>Daemon Beasts
Humanity's creations, reshaped into partially living forms. Hydrothrax's art for inspiration, but with imperial sigils everywhere.

http://hydrothrax.deviantart.com/gallery/51104299/Monster-Machines

>>50639346
>http://hydrothrax.deviantart.com/gallery/51104299/Monster-Machines
Fucking fantastic

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>>50598807
>the beasts are motorcycle centaurs
>>50639346
>http://hydrothrax.deviantart.com/gallery/51104299/Monster-Machines

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>>50595457
>I like the idea of them all being females in some capacity, so even the beasts and mounts have some kind of female torso in their design.
>>50598807
>the beasts are motorcycle centaurs

Combine this picture...

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>>50639428
...with this other picture. Then add imperial sigils and fire.

>>50639468
What would the mechanis think about theses busty bio bikes

>>50639731
Not him, but I'd think they'd be more like >>50634307 or >>50634352 built into the bike, to the point you can't tell where the armor/"flesh" stops and the machinery begins
It could be spun as a symbolic uninon of man and machine or something

Though truth be told I'd prefer to have them be more like centaurs or >>50634369's pic than bikes

>>50638713
The suspicious is spectacle and the lie is only a theoretical inspiration. The temporal myth is man.

>>50639787
Yea
But can ya bone it

Buummp

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>>50638484
>What do you think other omnissian daemons would be?

A colossal figure concealed in mechanicus robes. The only portions of their body which can be seen are the light from their glowing eyes inside their hood and their hands.

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>>50641405
Alternately, they have inhumanly long necks protruding from their hoods and heads like snakes as designed by H. R. Giger.

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>>50641405
>>50641420
Giant red-robed dementors with cyborg arms. Maybe they've got more limbs and sleeves than humans like hindu artwork, only the extra arms are tipped with various weapons.

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>>50641433
Industrial tools not weapons. Like that's going to be any better for you if you piss one off. See dead space for an example.

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>>50639787
>>50639346
Whilst having Centaurs as the main Daemonic Beasts sounds nice, maybe we could continue with some more overt "creatures" like this pic.

Does this have 1d4chan page?

>>50642200
It doesn't fit with the other two (or three if you count >>50634369) we have so far, and to be honest, I think those "creatures" you're suggesting are kinda a stupid idea

>>50642539
What would you give as an aerial Angelic Beast?
Feathered Manta Rays with women's faces?

>>50642343
It will when we're finished I bet

>>50642596
If we're going for demonic angels I'd do something a mix between the two headed eagle symbol the Imperium uses and the OP pic, have it shaped sorta like a two headed harpy cast out of gold armor and flames

>>50642200
I gotta agree with >>50642539 here, those plane creatures aren't really angelic enough for what we seem to be going for, I'd say they'd be more along the lines of Mechanus, but I don't think their demons/angels would resemble living creatures so much as eldritch machinery
Those things would fit better for something a heretek would make

Bump

>>50642685
>aren't really angelic enough
Slap aquilas everywhere and set it on fire. Problem solved.

>>50642200
So you want Big E's deamon engines to be Transformers?

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>>50643875
Slapping a new coat of paint on it won't solve the problem anon, the design and shape fundamentally don't look angelic, eldritch or winged humanoid, and for that matter it does nothing to glorify the human form like the other three we have going for

It doesn't fit the theme, hell it doesn't really fit the Imperium, it MIGHT fit the Mechanicus but as it is now it'd really feel like the odd one out. I just don't think the idea works with this

>>50643962
>Inb4, opinion discarded for rage comic image

>>50643875
Actually >>50643917's idea might work better, make them the equivlant of deamon engines rather than beasts, excuse me, "Holy machines who's machine spirit is physically manifesting", it'd probably be herasy to suggest the Imperium uses deamon engines

>>50643981
Let him make his own opinions anon
And I probably should have deleted that post anyway, I changed the direction I was taking the post halfway through and I already attached the pic, it doesn't really apply as much anymore

>>50644029
>post
Pic, I meant to say pic
It's late and I'm making typos, night folks

>>50643917
Drawanon chiming in. I do think it's important to reflect the mechanicus and humanity's industrialization in the daemon designs. Humans got some crazy fucking machines. But >>50642200 doesn't feel rustic and metal enough. There needs to be more Victorian influence, too.

>>50643917
Why not weaponized statues of heroes or floating energy spheres surrounded by orbiting rubble of famous shrines.

I personally think that the beasts should look like knightly female humanoids mixed with terminator armor, the tusked kind.
Have them be more like strange, daemonic gorillas.

>>50644298
Any progress on your drawings?

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>>50645382
Not really, no. I've had family things the last few days. Only just started working on the steed a few minutes ago. This is all the progress I've made.

Big E is a the fifth Chaos God in this setting?

>>50634388
>Imperial Spawn
>All data expunged
Someone, gimme Magnus' number. I found the long-lost recipe of his favorite pizza.

>>50646008
>Big E is a the fifth Chaos God in this setting?
More like a Order God. I doubt he'd go full Chaos.
Speaking of which, the fuck happened to holy Terra? Is there a gigantic Eye of Terror in the middle of the galaxy now? Did Big "Not God" E go "I'm making my own Treehouse and it's going to be so much better than yours because I have gold paint"?

>>50646279
I now have an irresistible urge to combine this with TTS-verse. KMP.

>>50646330
>KMP.
What?

>>50646330
>Emperor goes full god from his itchy nose but proceeds to deck Tzeentch in the face. Making him a bigger threat than what he was last time.
Perfect.

>>50646385
Kill me plz.

>>50646472
>There a point of no return and we clearly have passed it.png
Imagine Decius' face when he realizes that he has to retcon the Imperial Creed all over again...

>>50646279
>>50646279
My guess is Terra gets pulled into the Warp when Emps ascends. Everyone there becomes a daemon or dies.

>>50634307
So, living saints?

"Warp Daemon" doesn't and shouldn't translate to "Tryhard Persona Tier Garbage"

>>50645434
Wondered where exactly you were going with the head, I like it

>>50645434
I'd fuck that stallion, what with her glimmering ebony coat and rippling muscles.

So if all warp gods get daemons, where's the Daemons of Mork and Daemons of Gork? Where's Isha's Daemons?

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>>50645434
Remind me of these cyberpunk monk warriors.

>>50651204
Getting raped by Slaanesh.

>>50651204
>gorkamorka
they don't want to make any; that would mean giving up tiny slices of their power, and they can't have that in case one gets an edge over the other in their fight.
>Isha
Isha Mau practically be a Great Unclean One at this point with all the shit Nurgle's pumped into her; but it's safe to say that Papa stops her from manifesting any.

>>50651227
You wish it looked half as good as them. The only thing remotely the same is the color scheme

>>50650604
Okay, we're starting to get lewd. We need more discourse on Imperial Daemons.

>>50651227
Cool aesthetic, fuck me if I ever understand what the hell this game even was.
But considering it was based on a near-wholly homebrewed system & setting, I should have expected worse.

>>50651324
>Isha Mau practically be a Great Unclean One at this point with all the shit Nurgle's pumped into her; but it's safe to say that Papa stops her from manifesting any.
If Isha starts psychically manifesting mutated, mutilated, things that are force to live despite everything about them saying they should not, then she'l likely changed her name to something other than 'Isha, Fertility Goddess of the Elder'.

>>50634352
>True names
I've already given my thoughts on True names >>50636014

>Greater Daemons
I think they should be formed of fanaticism and faith/submission to the (new) Imperial creed like the other demons, though the they are by far the most extreme
As for forms I think the Greater Daemons should be the most eldritch and biblically angelic of the lot, though still heavily based on the human form but still very much of the "Tells people 'BE NOT AFRAID' when they're not gonna fuck shit up" design

>Daemon Prince(ss)
The vast majority are going to be SoB, simply because their fanaticism and faith grant them the quickest path to daemon princesshood (and even for those who fail, daemonhood), though any man with sufficient faith and zealotry can reach these lofty height

>Lesser Daemon
As noted above the vast majority are former Sisters and their forms usually reflect that, though in general they all resemble golden humanoids, usually armored though the specifics vary from angel to angel
As for the vast majority of human souls that give their life for the Imperium every day, they don't become their own angels, lacking both the faith to earn that reward and the fanaticism so easily warped into an angel's mindset, they are used as the raw soulstuff incorporated into and used to uplift more noble souls to angelhood and there are quite a few angels that are little more than amalgamations of a multitude of human souls refined into lesser daemons


>Daemon Steeds
I think building off of the centaur idea we have so far, they should be various rideable halfman beasts,based on both humans and the beasts of burden they subdued, they are not fully sapient, though no less fanatical, "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt" and all that, they just know that they exist to serve those who have been deemed worthy of their submission and do so gladly

>>50651550
Nothing to object to in here.
Maybe expand the "DO NOT BE AFRAID" concept of Greater Daemons to be based around the fact their presence instills a sense of ending, that human's souls are about to be sent to the Big E in the Warp Heaven.
They rarely ever are summoned outside of battle so when they do have to talk to mortals, for whatever reason, every other word is reminding them to be scared.

>Do Not Be Afraid! I have come at the Emperor's command to save you all.
>>Oh, grand-
>Do Not Be Afraid! I will lead you to glory in the Emperor's name.
>>I-
>DO NOT BE AFRAID!

So how is Chaos and the other races of the galaxy reacting to all this shit? Eldar shitting themselves as usual? Chaos annoyed? Tau confused?

>>50651659
Well since this whole thing is hella Mary Sue, everyone is probably shitting themselves to death and begging humanity for a chance to suck their giant, flawless cock

>>50651710
>everyone is probably shitting themselves to death and begging humanity for a chance to suck their giant, flawless cock
>Implying all foul xenos weren't doing that to begin with.

>>50651659
The Tau likely have no idea what happened for a long time. They are far away from Terra, and have almost no connection with the Warp.

The Eldar would be shitting themselves. I imagine there would be a wide range of opinions amongst the different craftworlds about what to do with the humans now. Some may suggest using them to try and wipe out Slaanesh/Chaos, and others might propose doubling down on their efforts to end humanity.

Chaos would be terrified. Humans are their primary source of emotional fuckery at this point, but now the Emperor will be sucking up and redistributing human souls. He also has an even more major presence in the Warp now. He can actually launch armies and crusades against the ruinous powers from within the Warp itself. Meanwhile, remnants of humanity are rallying around their new and growing god, making the Emperor even more powerful as time goes on. Plus his daemon army would be getting very sizeable, what with how quickly humans reproduce. I imagine if something isn't done to curb big E's advance, Chaos would be screwed.

>>50651659
>Chaos
Angry/Gleeful. Humans are now encroaching onto their territory and perhaps even wiping Chaos from existence by stilling the parts of the Warp they inhabit / They welcome the inevitable corruption of mankind.
Expect: "You deal with Angels, so why not deal with Daemons" logic.

>Eldar
Angry like a motherfucker. And when they come around warning humans that their Angels are actually Daemons they usually get blammed for heresy.
Imperial-Eldar relations are borked unless the Humans are on the rim, away from the propagation of these Angels.
Officially the Imperial warnings of Eldar now also warn of how they blaspheme even more.
Big E doesn't need the Eldar for the Webways since he can carve them by hand in stilled portions of the Warp.

>Orks
>'Umies are bigger, better, shinier!
>>We need more boyz! We need Gork! We need Mork!
And thus did Humanity force Orks into evolving. Not only do they breed so fast that it is possible to see the deterioration of planet's biosphere over it's solar rotation.
And with most of them psychically manifesting their own gods around them, you need daemons to deal with them.

>Tau
Not much will change for a while.
They will develop defenses/offences against Imperial Angels though, if they ever encounter them often enough.

>>50651804
>I imagine if something isn't done to curb big E's advance, Chaos would be screwed.
Perhaps Chaos pulling out all the stops and doubling down on the temptation game?

I like to imagine that Chaos wanted to keep things as stagnate as possible so they could basically milk humanity for all the emotional fuckery that it's worth, but now that we have Manly Manperor Warp Man tearing shit up they need to get their shit together.

>>50651898
Or Worse. Chaos Eternal.
Imagine Khorne and Tzeentch embodied as the same entity. An infinitely calculating powerhouse armed with might and magic.
Or Slaanesh and Nurgle. Infinite temptation to indulge in pleasure and plagues.

Chaos losing all division and becoming a frothing maelstrom from which anything and everything can spawn from.

>>50651765
HFYfags need to leave

>>50651550
>>50634369
>Daemon beasts
I think you've got it pretty much right on for their creation, as for the Emperor's thoughts on the matter, I get the feeling that the (mortal) Emperor has lost complete control at this point, the mix of humanity's growing psyker nature, their faith in the imperial creed, and the ever increasing feedback loop now that imperial demons are manifesting born from the faithful is causing humanity to develop in a way he never even dreamed of, it really depends on whether or not he's ascended and become an amalgamation of his former self and the thoughts of his worshipers reflected in the warp or pushed to the side by a newly born warp god.
As for physical appearance of the beasts, I say go for the same theme I suggested for daemon steeds, or make them based on various half human mythological creatures, still glorious humans, but also animalistic minds at best and lessened for it
As for the imperium's view on them, as I said before, "Blessed is the mind too small to doubt" and the beasts know only to serve and do their duty

>Unaligned Daemons
I honestly didn't know these were a thing, the Imperium kill them on sight though and I don't see "converting" other daemons likely


>>50634388
>Possession
I'm not actually sure how I'd say to take this, at the very least it'd be seen as a blessing and something YOU DO NOT try to resist, though that feels like it'd make it too easy and common, though it would never leave the 'afflicted' unaffected, and I wouldn't be too surprised they'd often die in the end, or simply self destruct due to not meeting the angel's standards
Perhaps have the difficulty of this be from the angel's side, they actively DON'T like possessing humans of insufficient faith and purity?

>>50651955
>Perhaps have the difficulty of this be from the angel's side, they actively DON'T like possessing humans of insufficient faith and purity?
Or maybe don't like doing it period.
Deamonic possession always fucks with the human form in some way and any alteration to the human form on purpose is fuckin heresy. It's why they try so hard to look human in the first place, the form is glorious and shouldn't be disgraced.

>>50651955
>Daemon weapons
I think it might be seen as a way for angels to better aid those who have show to be great boons to the Imperium on the battlefield, or those who have earned an angel's counsel could be used for punishment though, letting them fall into the hands of mortals who have shown they can do a better job than the failure of an angel/steed
As for appearance, they should look holy, albeit through the Imperial lens, so fire, skulls, and aquilas

>Chaos Spawn
Probably looks like someone tried to draw one of the biblical angels and fucked up, real badly, killed on sight as a "mockery"

>Daemonhosts
See possession, haven't thought much on it, though not wanting it is a REAL BAD thing to do

>Daemon-Possessed Vehicles
I'm not actually sure the Mechanicus would survive these new devlopments long term, if the Imperium is rising into even greater hights of fanatasism, they may not have a choice but to tolerate this lest they want war with Terra,

>Pacts
Haven't put much thought into it

>>50651652
>Maybe expand the "DO NOT BE AFRAID" concept of Greater Daemons to be based around the fact their presence instills a sense of ending, that human's souls are about to be sent to the Big E in the Warp Heaven.
This is a good idea, they see it as a good thing and the mortal should too

>>50651659
Chaos a mix of FUCK YES! and Oh fuck no, I get the feeling the Emperor becoming a chaos god would be (one of) their potential endgame goals, though this is going in a direction they never considered

Eldar would be shitting themselves, it's suddenly become a LOT harder to work with humanity

Tau wouldn't know what was going on, would either think some new tech or just WTFing at all the new bullshit

>>50652010
That's something I hadn't considered, probably a good reason

>>50652133
Meant to quote >>50634388 after I quoted >>50651955

>>50652010
So instead of deamons trying to tempt people into letting them possess them, you have angeals constantly telling shrine worlders to stop trying to get themselves possessed by angeals?
That's hilarious.

I have the feeling that if the Emperor became a Chaos God, he would become a lot less interested in mortal.affairs as he turns his attention to the Great Game in the warp.

The Imperium would probably shrink as a lot of his armies don't have him backing them 24/7, but they would probably be able to stand the ground they can keep far more effectively now that they have daemons and all the benefits that brings.

>>50651955
>>Unaligned Daemons
The main reason for their existence is to show that they are not "TRUE" daemons. They are still the individual soulstuffs of mortals given a form bestowed by their developing connection to the Emperor.
However, if you want the Big E to be Big "Warp God" E, with the fact that each Daemon is born of his own souls, then these cannot exist are just lies seeded by Humanities enemies. "Your Angels reject your God!"

>>50651955
>>50652010
>>Possession
I've got several ideas for why these are rare.
1) If you can't handle the Angel, you die, period.
2) The Angel and Host are always altered by the experience. The Host made greater by the numinous experience of being touched by an angel, the Angel made lesser by have known the filth that writhes in the deepest recesses of the human souls, before it is cast out upon death by the Emperor.
3) As was said: The Host is altered by the experience. Always. Lucky ones develop minor stigmata or have lines of Imperial Creed burned into the skin, muscle, and bone and so on; The unlucky are those who attempted to achieve the departing form of the Angels. Skin turned to stiff gold, eyes turned luminous yet blind, new arms reaching out from their backs to mimic the Angel's wings.
It is not whether you will be changed, but how you will be changed if you survive.
4) It is addictive. And thus problematic to the Imperial Creed. Mutants who claim that they have known a purer faith than any normal human who has simply prayed in the presence of an Angel ever will.
Unless humans have become less of a collective asshole over time and instead relegate these "fortunate" individuals to be repeatedly possessed as the situation demand until they finally leave to visit the Emperor.

>>50652242
>turns his attention to the Great Game in the warp
From what the accumulated Lore seems to agree upon, the "Great Game" is effectively just the Big Four fucking around for all of eternity with realspace/the Warp as their gameboard.
Malal, if he exists, if likely the guy who keeps on cheating whilst berating the others for not doing what he does.

The Big E, is the guy who who shows up to a WH match without any models and instead proceeds to mace then kerb-stomp the people he was supposed to be playing against. Then he says that he has won, leaves, comes back a few days later angry that the nerds are still playing that game he hates. Ad Infinitum. Until the nerds start breaking their own rules, then you have the larger Titans having spikes spot-welded onto them and used as a club, players fudging then outright breaking rules, units brought in that break the point-limit, units brought back after they are killed or stolen from another game-in-progress, and other such fuckery.

>>50652378
>The Big E, is the guy who who shows up to a WH match without any models and instead proceeds to mace then kerb-stomp the people he was supposed to be playing against.

So a violent high school jock? Great now I have the image of Big E dunking Tzeentch's head in the toilet stuck in my head.

>>50652498
Meanwhile in the next stall over, Khorne is fucking Slaanesh's brains out out of pure hatred.

The stall over on the other side naturally contains nurgle doing unspeakable things to the building's plumbing.

>>50652265
Personally, I think possessed individuals become more like daemons from their possession, so much so that upon their death they become daemons. Any of them who have unrighteous thoughts at the time of their ascension become spawn, tho.

>>50652871
>Any of them who have unrighteous thoughts at the time of their ascension become spawn, tho
what would unrighteous thoughts be anon

>>50652614
>40K:the high school years
i can already hear GW'S hands wringing

So, what's left to determine for the idea agian?

>>50654612
Honestly, I'm just waiting for Drawanon to finish his art, then we should make a 1d4chan page.

>>50654653
Cool

>>50654612
What exactly the beasts are
Extra fluff for each daemon type
The Emperor's emotional domains
What his little warp kingdom is like
What exactly in the Imperium changes
notable daemons

>>50653982
Oh god why

I personally think if we're going down the "Mind, Body and Soul" route for the Imperial Demons, then the ones representing these aspects of humanity (say, the Demons of the Soul) should have faults within their connections to he other two aspects (Demons of the Soul for example are imposing, bright and sing the praises of HIM,But ones you get past that, their bodies are corroded, cracked and damaged and they have no form of independent thought.) of course we only see these faults from the POV's of the demons of the two other aspects.and never from the perspective of the demons representing the Aspect in question mostly because the demons of the aspect in question cannot see their own flaws.

>>50656891
/tg/'s already done plenty of those

>>50654942
>What exactly the beasts are
Ramiels.
>[Screams Geometrically]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdU8dyjgXU0

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>>50657753
What would they look like to imperial citizens though

>>50659080
>Soul: Big glowy angels....which make your eyeballs catch fire because you can't fathom their beauty and cause your brain to leak out of your ears as their voice scrubs the deviation from your mind (like a Seraphim with the safeties switched off.)
>Body: Glorious representations of the human form made of crystal who can uplift YOU with a touch if they see fit...unfortunately doing so destroys your mind and soul as you become a being of crystallized logic.
>Mind: Exist as a hivemind (no Soul=No individuality) that takes over Pyskers (No Body=Grand Theft Pysker) so no-one really knows.

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Steeds should be more mechanical than animalistic.

Would the Emperor take on some kind of name once he ascends?
It feels a little our of place for him to stay "The Emperor", at least among his daemons, when the other chaos gods are referred to by name.

>>50660610
His name was Robert Paulson.

>>50660230
Nah

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but are the deamons of the emperor exclusively sisters of battle? I feel that an arguement could be made for certain guard regiments as well.

>>50660718
The VAST majority of them are, but that's just due to the Sister's fanaticism and faith, any loyal member of the Imperil faith could become one if they can match the Sisters

>>50660762

Fair enough then. I would next like to inquire as to your thoughts on the fanatics like the Death Korps.

Yes, I am one of those. Yes, I sorry for invading your sisters thread. Its just been in the back of my mind every time i lurk hwre, and though i am sorry to bother tou with it I still want an answer.

>>50660718
Most of them come from the Ecclesiarchy, which (in terms of shear numbers) has quite a few battle sisters. As a matter of fact, I think most of it is battle sisters, correct? So in the end, the majority of Daemons end up being former SoB. But the truth is, anyone with a righteous enough, faithful enough, and pure enough soul can become an imperial daemon upon his or her death. Honestly, if a xeno believed in the emps strongly enough, maybe that xeno could even ascend.

>>50660798
Might want to spell check your post more, but basically what >>50660854 said, long as they were faithful enough? Yes
I would say the faith should need to be inline with whatever set of beliefs reached the majority with the newborn Warp GodEmperor though,

>>50660798
Sure. Draft up some daemons and lore for them.

>>50660996

Alright, lets see. honestly i feel like they'd be pretty minor demons, in keeping with where they are now. I mean there would be so damn many of them they'd just kinda zerg rush. I could see like greater sister deamons presiding over hordes of Kriegers turned deamon. Play up the death aestetic , give em skull heads adn have their greatcoats made by wrapping their (non-functional) wings around themselves or something. I don't know, i'm not artistic enough for this sort of thing really, just wanted to put it out there.

Would the Astronomicon still function?

>>50663483
Nope. No Emperor to power it, no- Actually, would it even be needed? Lore-reasons for the Astronomicon is to allow Warp-jumps to have to a reference point. Well, we've got a great big fucking reference point now. The lanced boil of realspace leading to the Imperial Afterlife where once Holy Terra stood.

>once the Emperor ascends, the Imperium descends into complete hysteria
>the forces of Chaos take advantage if this state and carve off massive parts if the Imperium's territory
>infighting renders this stolen territory divided among each god
>there is now an "Imperium" for Khorne, Tzeentch, Slaanesh, and Nurgle as well as Big E

If Emps can ascend, does that mean that the other 4 gods were once mortals as well?

>>50662486
Just make them Ghostrider, but the ride >>50645434 instead of motorcycles.

>>50663615
That seems reasonable. Imperium is fuckered several time-lines from last week, but is strong enough to start taking it's worlds back. Both within and without the Immaterium.

>>50639355
I don4t know why but those things are terrifying that I would have thought.

>>50639355

I have an awesome idea for setting.

A post-apocalytic one, with these things being the main cause. Let's say they are spirits/Daemons.

There are small societies with a level technology.

Add some elements of fantasy. Let's say that planes are equivalent to dragons and yadda yadda.

>>50663615
>the Imperium is mostly church themed
>therefore, the other god's kingdoms would be themed as well

>the Khornate regiment is military themed, with the U.S. military in particular
>the Nurglite regiment is designed to resemble various medical uniforms and equipments
>the Slaaneshi regiment is BDSM thened, with most pieces of clothing being leather or latex
>the Tzeentchian regiment remains Egyptian, but more emphasis is placed upon it then before

>>50654942
>notable daemons
That reminds, what the fuck happened to the Daemonifuge, Ephrael Stern? The blurb said she held the knowledge of the "strengths and weaknesses of Slaanesh". With the psychic ascension of Big E to full Immaterial being, would she feel comfortable enough to leave the Black Library and rejoin Humanity? Whatever it may be now.

>>50664297
Tzeenth should be the fifth column in other regiments.

>>50653688
>what would unrighteous thoughts be anon

>HOLY FUK I ACTUALLY DID IT
>PRAISE BE TO THE EMPEROR, I'M COMING TO TERRA!
>...I wonder what Khorne flakes taste l- OH SHIT EMPRAH N- BRAGLALALA

>>50665747
Ahh but anon
Not even the high inquisitors them selves can resist the bold flavor of khorne flakes.
It's the magical result of the physical embodiment of the military industrial complex putting all its efforts into making the best tasting and nutritional breakfast cereal on the galaxies market

>>50666334
>Not even the high inquisitors them selves can resist the bold flavor of khorne flakes.
FUKIN HERESY

>>50666394
Also comes in chocolate

>>50667249
>Chocolate.
>Not vanilla.
DOUBLE HERESY

>>50667531
It comes in all the flavors

>Angelic Weapons
How the fuck do they come to be? Emperor transmutates an Angel into a Bolter and throws it through the Warp to a lucky guy/gal?
Specialized ritual asking for an Angel to come down from Heaven and inhabit their Chainsword?
You're just an average Arbites Squad Leader, name of Calpurnia, making your rounds on Macragge when suddenly, WHAM! Your Power Maul has suddenly been possessed by a Lesser Angel, telling you that it has been sent for secret reasons.

Also, what changes come over a weapon? Describe them. The peeling away of gilding along with the rust to reveal gold. The spurts of promethium begin to glow with Imperial Flame and mumbled prayers can be heard from the inferno within. And so on.

>>50668868
I would guess that it's similar to how chaos does it; summon a Daemon, and try to force it in. If it breaks free, then it's the Emperor's will. If it works, huzzah, Big E let you have a Daemon Weapon.

>>50669475
>Look at my Angelic Weapon! I am truly favoured by the Emperor!
>>I can hear screaming.
>Screams of glory to the Emperor!
>>No, it saying to kill the fucker who shoved me into this POS hand stubgun.
>*visible sweating*

>>50669475
>summon a Daemon, and try to force it in.
Would only be done for desperation in my opinion, mainly because you get shit like >>50669542
They're already allied so I imagine their would be some made specifically for that purpose so you don't have to force them in. They just go in on their own.

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>>50664297
>>the Khornate regiment is military themed, with the U.S. military in particular

Ridiculous. Nurgle's the one with drones.

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>>50664297
>>50672061
Blightravens are the Warphawk's answer to the horrors of Imperial servitoring, and a testimony of their Heretech's greatest offense against the will of the Emperor.

Constrained even by the titanic productive capabilities of their Forgebarge, "Ruch", the renegade guard's Mechanicus, in order to save human lives and yet still produce working robotics, have ventured into the the most restricted area of Imperial knowledge. Dipping into the pool of chaotic energies, these sages have ripped from the Warp the knowledge on how to produce AI's - true artifical intellgence, just slightly infested by the daemon.

Blightraves, unlike any other complex calculating Imperial tech, lack organic components. They are truely mechanical, but there is more than electricity that powers the data-cores of their processors - a hunger to observe, hunt and kill. Blightravens are immune to human error, extreme conditions and other problems that plague Imperial units, making them cold and effective machines, that are intelligent enough to skew orders in favor of an opportunity.

Using scraps from Tau drone-producing factories, the Warphawks managed to start mass production of these light, agile recoinssance/assault unites, and their battle tests were stellar. The Mechanicus warn the traitor generals that the technology is yet to be scaled further onto larger jets or tanks. While devastating, a drone is a drone. And these machines have a will of their own.

>>50672061
Well shit

>>50667531
I'm not sure either of those sound good

>>50672070
I like the idea of these "Diabolical Intelligences"

>>50662486
Also I think the initial forms taken by Ascended Troopers would vary based on their homeworlds. Kriegers are literal"clipped wing angel" and so on.

Of course Catachans don't do things coventionally, not by a long shot. In fact, they fly by shouting at the ground and using the force to create updrafts so they can glide.

And before you ask, yes, Sly Marbo does this as well, in fact he was the one who perfected it.

>>50654942
>notable daemons
Inc-St Yarrick and Inc-St Marbo.

What would the Space Marines think when the Emperor ascends?

>>50674884
>Cain

What would the Emperor's symbol be like?

All the god's have pretty abstract symbols, so I think his would be equally odd.

Update on drawing schedule: Work is hell and I have no idea when I'm going to get them done. I suggest making a 1d4 chan page and linking it. I'll add them in as they're finished.

>>50677449

It should be some warped version of the Aquila i think. just similar enough that you can see what it was, but warped of course.

>>50654942


emotional domains is hard. i wanna say determination and self-sacrifice should be in there, but i'm not sure.

>>50678510
I personally think that his domains should be rapture, hatred, and emotional repression, as manifestations of religious joy, xenophobia, and how most imperial citizens are conditioned to think in certain ways for their entire lifespan.

>>50678598

Makes sense, but rapture kinda edges in on slaanesh and Hatred is pretty Khorney.

>>50663615
>>50664297
>the Daemon Primarchs of each god are each regiment's "leader", with the actual gods taking more of a back seat
>for the Imperium, Guilliman reaches Apotheosis into a Daemon Prince as he slumbers, awakening to act as the Imperium's new Emperor on the old one's orders

>>50678928

would the emperor keep all the current loyalist primarchs or would he lose some of them to chaos during the transition? I mean he would have as many deamon primarchs as all the other chaos gods combined.

>>50678991
Technically, a the primarchs would be aligned to chaos once he smascebds, but I see what you're saying.
He would probably only ascend Guilliman, and then Ruse abd the coy hers would probably either stay loyal and not ascend ot try and campaign against xenos in the name of Chaos Undivided; since Undivided would then include Big E.

How would each chois god's Imperium be like? What kind of cultural differences would there be?
Could canon planets like catachan or krieg be conquered by some other kingdom?

also, what should we call each one? they need some kind of name, it's clunky ti try and talk about them without one.

>>50676610
>Big E: But wait, Ciaphas Cain, there's more!
>Big C: W-what?
>Big E: I have brought you from the depths of the Immaterium and repaired the tattered remnants of your souls. Now, go forth and lead my material armies in eternal battle to secure the Materium of Man!
>Big C: ... Can I have Jurgen?

>>50679348

names i do not know. Theoretically any cannon planet could fall, though i am loath do say that any would. i mean you could argue Khorne for catachan and nurgle for krieg for example, but i think both are much better off basking in the light of the emperor.

>>50679435
There are several fates for planets post-Ascension:
>Absorbed and Purified into the Emperor's newly-made 'Heaven'
>Stolen by Chaos in the chaos
>Still in realspace, but fuckered with Daemons
>Still in realspace, but close enough to 'Heaven' that they are infested with Angels instead
>Still in realspace, but have taken this chance to go "Independant"
>>May or may not have contracted with Xenos
>Still in realspace, fucked over by Xenos i.e. Tyranids/Orks/Tau/Eldar in the time taken for Humanity to get it's shit together
>Still in realspace, Business as usual i.e. Make more Death Corps, keep an eye on the Eye of Terror, etc.
>>Usually fairly far from 'Heaven'

What would emperor-aligned chaos spawn be like?

>>50680843
>>50680843
Purged on sight

If Big E is a chaos god, wouldn't that mean thar he would be a part of chaos undivided?

>>50681667
I wouldn't think so
He would probably be on his own side

>>50679349
>Jurgen

As a soulless Blank, could Jurgen even be resurrected?

>>50683854
No. Probably not. But he sure can requisition something which looks like Jurgen, and acts like Jurgen. Maybe even have an implanted Psychic Nullifier like Jurgen.
If it walks like a Jurgen, and smells like a Jurgen, then it's a Jurgen!

If he ever meets that Lady Inquisitor he's so friendly with then she's going to quickly catch on how much he misses Jurgen.

Added wit the fact that he was not remade whole, but rather a composite of what he was and what others though of him. He's basically got a Hero Complex now since a part of his own souls believes that he should be that heroic.

It's like Blackadder if Blackadder was a melodramatic soap that only went downwards.

Bumping

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>>50662486
Deamon kriegers have fleshy hoods like #2 here. The heads beneath are either skulls, respirator-tubing faced gas masks or some space jockey-ish fusion of the two.

>>50686375

That isn't a halfbad aestetic actually, but i kinda like what that one guy said about making them ghostrider esque. . Maybe flaming skull heads with fleshy great coats and flack armor made from bone? Like a ribcage fused together on the outside of the torso as psuedo armor. I was also thinking they should have really big hands, hands like spades that end in long talons like bayonets.

>>50674868

>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

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>>50686423
Remember the "what if WW1 had lasted long enough for evolution to take place" thread a few weeks ago? That might make for a good starting point.

Giger-ish skeletal armor and faces beneath fleshy hoods which are a mixture of gasmask and skull along the lines of pic related.

Everything looks almost on fire. Less ghost rider, more Dark Souls 3 Lords Of Cinder.

>>50686512

Damn that is ugly. I'll be honest i'd rather have the flaming skulls, but if everyone else likes this sort of deal better, well why not?

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>>50662486
>have their greatcoats made by wrapping their (non-functional) wings around themselves
Even if this isn't the backstory for their greatcoats (that role being taken by fleshy hoods) I still recommend giving them uselessly tiny insectile wings.

>>50686541
Flaming skulls in flesh hoodies like >>50686375. Maybe they wear ordinary mechanical gasmasks over the exposed bone and fire.

>>50686584

I advocate for something kinda like what >>50674868 said. Have them have wings, but have the wings be broken and just kinda dragging behind them.

>>50686602

I like that. Flamings skulls wearing gasmasks.

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>>50686627
>>50686602

How about this. Something based of the grenadier skull mask. Like a flaming skull with a build in rebreather tube as the lower jaw. or something i don't know.

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or just flaming skulls with masks like this on, but with tubes coming out of it

>>50686782
Bumping

>>50634307
So... Uh... did people forget about The Star Father and his Angyls?
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Story:The_Shape_Of_The_Nightmare_To_Come_50k_section14

Basically the emperor becomes the chaos god of order, and starts a war in the warp. His angyls are many winged sephrim, with metallic silver bodies. His deamon worlds are perfectly round metallic spheres. People that fall to him become obsessed with order and obedience. All bend their knee to the star father.

>>50689271

And that was one interpretation. Which we may borrow from, but this just kinda happened organically. I mean if we can have a couple of alternate versions of the Heresy then we can have a few alternate takes as Big E as a Choas god.

>>50689521
This.

This current interpretation is less of an "order God" and more that Emps becomes a chaos God through and through; the Imperium ends up basically an overgrown chaos cult as they slowly deal with the consequences of worshipping the newest Ruinous Power.

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>>50689566
In that case, we need splitoff empires. People and planets who decided that the warp spawned abomination that emerged from the Golden Throne wasn't the Emperor and rebelled to try and save some scrap of the Imperium as they remembered it.

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>>50686423
>flack armor made from bone? Like a ribcage fused together on the outside of the torso as psuedo armor

Basically pic related?

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Deamon kriegers need more gold. They may have been kriegers but they are still Deamons of the Imperium so unnecessary ornateness is mandatory.

Gilded gasmasks.

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The limbs of deamon kriegers should be as skeletally spindly and weak as those of famine victims.

To bypass the issues caused by this, they have powered exoskeletons fused to/growing out of their flesh.

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>>50692066
Needs more gilding >>50692049

Gold plated version of the HULC suit.

>>50690072
I like this idea; it gives something for Chaos Undivided to crusade against that isn't just more xenos.

>>50690072
We really haven't talked about that, have we? Oh, we could talk 'til the cows came home about how awesome the the Angels are, and how all of Humanity wants to become one with the Emperor in his Heaven, reminding ourselves every so often that the Big E is now a Chaos God with everything that implies.

But we haven't talked nearly enough about the Planets that would reject the notion of the Chaos God Emperor, those that cannot even lie to themselves about the Imperial Daemons being Angels. And this way we can deny the Emps some of his Primarchs.

>Loyalists
Those who stayed true to the Emperor and follow him in his new path for Mankind.

>Imperials
Those who stayed true to the Empire of Man and seek to restore it.

>Traitors
What each side calls the other.

>>50690072
>>50693620
So that's around 6 or 7 human organizations, right?
Because then we have the government for each of the chaos gods (emps included) plus one or two traitor breakaway regiments.

>>50692020

Other than a slightly different head, a lot more fire, some gold, and a little less genestealer-ey yes.

>>50693620

Cadia goes to the imperials. Fighting Chaos is their schtick, Big E and his lot would be just one more enemy for them.

I feel like Catachans would be Imperials as well.


Krieg is Loyalist, no ifs ands or buts about it.

I can imagine the beasts being these wildly varying armored females that almost seem like wild apes, but they're all so different because every one was once the soul of an abhuman, and some of their differences continue to show in their forms.

Not human enough to live in the Emperor's realm or become a minor daemon, but human enough for the Emperor to have pity on them and allow them to come to his warpspace in some capacity.

>>50694820

Now imagining Ogryn demons.

>>50694305
That assumes that Catachan and Cadia will remain outside of the Emperor's Empire but close enough to other Imperium worlds to stay alive. Their grasp on life would be even more tenuous now that no-one is working the logistics or forcing planets to be tithed. Looks like the Imperium is about to become much more repressive.

should we give this setting a name?

>>50694820
I can believe this. IIRC the Emperor allowed Abhumans that looked like WH Beastmen to fight in his armies, nominally as absolution for not being born pure human. Of course, that was before he had to take a seat on the Golden Throne and let bureaucrats take over the running of his Empire.

He'd definitely try to help these poor almost-humans in some way. Even if that is by converting them to Daemonic Beasts whose thoughts are forever bent to serving him.

>>50696330
I was calling it "Imperial Daemon" World for a while now. Any other names?

>>50696330
>>50696392
>Emperor's Apotheosis
>Emperor's Ascension
>Golden Throne Rising

Okay, to stave off bumping:
>Take a Space Marine chapter
>Write what you think they would do post-Emperor's Ascension

>>50698223
>the Space Wolves
>Soon after the Emperor ascends, Lemon comes back and leads his marines unto joining one if the split off empires, mostly because he's sick of goody-two-shoes Guilliman getting gold stars fir everything
>he helps them become one of the dominant post-throne not-chaos empires in the galaxy, and is considered one of it's leaders
>unfortunately, in the hysteria that would allow the 5 Empires of Chaos to form, Fenris was taken by Khorne, abd it's furry spirits corrupted into rabid daemons
>he also got the bloodthirster back out of the axe

>>50698223
>the Ultramarines stock very close to Emps, especially since Guilliman became a Daemon Prince
>unfortunately, the warp power released by Guilliman's ascension mixed with the psychic resonance between the Daemon Guilliman and Ultramarine Librarians sent vicious blasts of warp energy iut from every Ultramarine psyker
>every Ultramarine was exposed to this energy, but most passed it iff as a strange "miracle" of sorts
>the effects of tg e blast soon began to manifest
>the flesh of the Ultramarines soon began to twist and change, sometimes melding into their armor
>mouths, eyes, and other unspeakable organs sprouted in places they should not
>Although gifted with more powerful forms and a strange warp sense, most found the transformation extremely stressful and often painful
>worst of all, this infected the Genesee of the Ultramarines; every member of their chapter from that moment onward would soon undergo the melding of their flesh
>most of them went more or less underground, serving as Guilliman's secret elite strike force

What would the breakaway imperial nations be like?

>>50700556

dying fragments of an already dying corpse of a once great empire.

>>50698703
So... Ultramarines follow their Daemon Primarch-Prince into the Emperor's Empire, following a miracle where they were ALL struck by Psychic Lightning and survived.
After they started undergoing described mutations they withdrew from public appearance and instead took to raiding in realspace to subjugate and defend the newly-born Empire from those that would take advantage of it.

Everyone else think's they were wiped out and Guilliman is all that is left of the once-great Chapter.

>>50700589
Don't forget that they truly think that they will become the seeds of a new Imperium. Even as their technology degrades without enough loyal (enough) techpriests to maintain it, even as they forge compacts with Xenos and Daemons to live another day. Even as they undergo the birthing pains of a new pan-galactic empire, unaware that they are stillborn.

>>50698223
>once the five nations of chaos had formed, the Black Legion basically had nothing to do
>not only was the Emperor dead, but he was a warp god; as soldiers of chaos undivided they were basically loyalists again
>a large number once again took on the name of the Luna Wolves; the age of Abbadon and Horus was long gone, and now they had no true masters other then the warp itself
>using their status as unaligned to their advantage, they began traveling through the space of all 5 kingdoms, investigating into strange events for forbidden knowledge and crushing any troublesome xenos in the name of chaos, as well as acting as a powerful task force for any in the 5 kingdoms who want something outside of their territory pillaged or killed

>>50700929
Bumumump

>>50700929

eeh, i don't know about that. For one i don't think anyone can just galavant around. Even though they are all Chaos, they are all Chaos, and chaos fights itself all the time. There will be even more infighting after big e's becomes a chaos god cause there won't be the imperium to unite against any more. At best they keep doing what they were doing just against imperial remnants and xenos, more likely they get caught in the middle of a powerstruggle between all the gods and destroyed utterly because they have no god they can turn to for succor.

Bump for the night. Hope you don't die. See you in the sunlight.

Would Mars be swallowed by the warp storm that consumed Terra?

>>50703661

Yes. I mean look at the eye. It's massive. Good bit more than just Mars is gonna get swallowed.

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>>50634307
what is this heresy?

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>>50703661
One can hope so. Tech-themed Imperial daemons would be pretty fucking badass.

>>50703737
A daemon SoB with a sweet ass?

>>50700556
They'd be in a pretty bad way without the Astronomican to help navigate the warp. Probably stuck as Tau-tier local powers.

>>50703968
Hey
Hey draw friends
Draw this aggressively courting a terrified guardsman

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>>50692066
>deamon kriegers
I feel like this calls for some Keith Thompson.

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>>50704494
Anon asks.

I deliver.

>>50705573
Neat.

Now do own of the daemon groping a guardswoman's rack under her armor whilst flirting with her

>>50705616
Tomorrow maybe

>>50705573
A true hero right here folks

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>>50705573
Here, you deserve a Crux Terminatus

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>>50705573
That look of aroused terror is my fetish

>>50692066
>>50686608
Maybe the reason their wings don't work is because they either got forced out of the way by an Exoskeleton growing in...or they actually grew out of the exoskeleton wrong.

I also had some ideas for and of the other regiments that weren't Cadian, Catachan or Krieger

>The wings of those ascended from the Armageddon Steel Legion have feathers like razors that can be retract seamlessly into their length so the limbs can serve as an extra set of arms to work on machinery or pull people in half.

>Those of the Elysian Drop Troops have wings that grew from their grav chutes, meaning that both of the new limbs are featherless and can be completely collapsed onto the back of the wearer when not in use.

>The Vahallan Ice Warriors do not have wings, as their homeworld is too cold and windy for them to be of any use, their feet, on the other appendage, have mutated into talons that that afford grip on even the iciest of terrain...and can gut a man with one blow.

I like how almost all of the Imperial daemons are feminine, since almost all the daemons have other 4 gods are almost exclusively male, neutral, or whatever you would call a daemonette.

>>50704467
My personal view is that the light given off by the new IMPERIAL Eye of Terror is what Imperial humans guide their warp-travel by.

>>50707187
>the limbs can serve as an extra set of arms to work on machinery or pull people in half

Bush robot manipulators?

>>50710770
Perhaps fractal manipulators? Digits that split infinitely down to the atomic scale. The better to flay you alive in the hope that you will repent.
Or just polish better.

I would totally play a game of BC that takes place during the age of the chaos imperium, honestly.
all you would really need is homebrewed stuff for emperor worshippers and you're golden

>>50711284

Shall we? I mean recently /tg/ has been getting a lot of shit done, might as well try for one more.

>>50711502
I certainly wouldn't mind.
Most of it would be emperor worshipping archtypes and just making variations fir gid sieve fic things like mutations or daemon engine traits, plus some equipmemt; it would actually be supridingly short to make. Everything else would basically be fluff, and we already make that in these threads.

>>50711548

well if you've the time and inclination it would certainly be appreciated.

>>50711284
>>50711548
if we do homebrew some stuff up, I'll just put forward that I think making archtypes for imperial plamets that fell to some of the other gods could be cool

like, if krieg fell to Khorne then we could have am archtype for that. that kind of stuff.

Um, sorry to burst everyone's bubble but the idea of the Emperor ascending to becoming a Chaos god of Order actually has been done before. See http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FanFic/TheShapeOfTheNightmareToCome

>>50712161
Noted already, similar but different to what we're doing

>>50712161
but anon
the Emperor is not a chaos god of order, just a chaos god

and besides, the idea has been around for basically forever, this is just a different interpretation

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>>50634307
This is the worst shit I've ever heard, wtf, legion of the damned already exist first off, and even they're retarded in the setting. Second, this is dangerously fucking close to the golden boys sigmarites, in 40k, and frankly Age of Shitmar is just shit. This whole concept would disgust even our spiritual liege Matthew Ward. Hell no.

>>50712161
So?

>>50664297
>Nurgle
>hospitals
>not Polish stuff and other Slavic shit

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>>50712393
LOOK AT HIM EVERYONE! LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH!

>>50634352
I really like this one

The OP one looks too much like it has a bat head to me.

>>50670412
"This is my lasgun, there are many like it but this one is FURIOUS!!"

>>50707187
>vahallan daemons
Living snowflakes capable of flight via using the fractal protrusions that make up their structure as flagella. They cluster around and freeze victims. Once frozen, all the water in the victim's body turns into new snowflakes and tears their corpse apart to escape and become part of the ever-expanding snowswarm.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5892986/meet-the-hot-defensive-bee-ball-one-of-the-craziest-tactics-in-the-animal-kingdom

>>50646008
Essentially the idea of the Emperor believed in by the Imperium has manifested in the warp as a god. It's not the actual original Emperor himself.

>>50709096
Me too. Considering most of the martial forces of humanity were males, it's a nice balance that most of its supernatural creatures are female. It adds a nice gender balance to the faction.

>>50714698
I always though that it was THE Emperor, and that ascension just changed him or his strategy for any number of reasons.

>>50714754
Well, in the minds of his followers, it is the Emperor. It's not as if there'd be any way to tell that this Emperor isn't the original. He's manifested from all the faith and conviction of his followers, anway.

>>50714363

I'm stealing this.

>>50714812
>>50714754
>>50714698
We could just never answer that question? Leave it purposefully unknown whether the Thing in the Warp that is currently leading the Empire of Man is actually the God-Emperor of Mankind, in some way or not.

His Daemons obviously say that the God-Emperor live on. But they'd say that, wouldn't they?

>>50714363
>He is correct. I am furious. Furious about killing Xenos scum.

In this case, we need the actual Emperor to show up as well. Even more crippled and depowered than he was in the Golden Throne but alive and incredibly pissed off.

>>50715519
>No longer needing to use his considerable psychic might to power the Astronomicon, the Emperor could finally attend to his decaying body. The overlapping of realspace with the Immaterium certainly helped.

>And he is FUCKING ANGRY at what has become of his Imperium.

So, what does he do? Go around the fledgling Imperial worlds and try to make sure they survive? Make treaties with the Eldar and Tau to help defeat the Pretender to the Throne? Steal a Necron Flagship, recreate his cloning facilities, and fuck off to the Galaxy a few towns over to rebuild his Empire of Man?

>>50715684

and suddenly this just got a whole lot weirder and more interesting. On one hand i wish to say no, just let chaos emps be emps, but the idea of a not!emperor chaos god and the real deal splitting the imperium between them is fascinating.

>>50715759
Just have the Chaos-Emperor perpetually tired, complaining of how there are gaps in his memories. Then someone reminds him that he's basically been dead for around a dozen Millennia, and was recently born as a Not-Chaos God. The fact that he can barely remember how he came to be is nothing. Accept that a part of you was lost or burnt in the Ascension to god-hood and carry on with guiding the Empire.
Probably going to need a new Sigilite too.

Whilst in the background there are stories upon stories, told in different ways and ending differently, but maintaining the same thread. An Imperial world is in trouble, be it minor (farmer and his failing crops) or major (Chaos Incursion); A man greater than the greatest Space Marine, yet ragged and hunched, leaning heavily on a Adamantium staff, impossibly pitted with rust; This man then helps the person or persons in peril, not directly, but through guidance, whether this be through research and experimentation to rediscover some lost piece of agricultural practice, the words needed to buoy a world's spirits and gird themselves for the long siege ahead, or whatever it may be needed, but never handing them the answers, but always guiding; And then the man disappears, to show up on some other world and repeat his actions.
Most, even the Imperials themselves, call this propaganda and make up their own stories around their fires, mixing the truth with fiction. But if this is truly propaganda, then why are there stories about where the giant man tried so hard to save a world, even going so far as to reveal his awesome strength that could turn daemon-wrought armor into paper, and fail?

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>>50716098
>the mortal form of the Emperor becomes a wandering Odin-like figure
I like that idea.

>>50716404
Wouldn't the holy glow be a big sign that he's the emperor

>>50717193
What glow? He's just a very big human with vast psychic powers. He basically a swole Librarian at this point.

>>50717193
In the "Tales of Heresy" anthology, the Emperor was repeatedly shown to be able to appear as a relatively normal man.

>>50705616
It's over the armor, and the guard looks terrible, but here you go.

>>50717576
Wow you work fast.

>>50717576
And thus the dark, despairing atmosphere of the Emperor Ascendant setting was rendered null with the arrival of the Lewd Imperial Daemon, who went around molesting and teasing without mercy every human she could get her golden hands on.

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>>50717576
>>50717607
>>50717656
I fixed her face a little.

Sorry. I really don't like this one. Oh well. You win some you lose some.

>>50717656
I like this idea.

What's her name?

>>50717699
Lydaelis Armaaneos Kuilopan
LIDia, for short.

>>50717712
Lidia the molesting Daemon. Her curse? A night with her and you won't be able to walk again.

Once you go LIDia, you need a wheelchair.

>>50717673
Is she a bat or what? I really don't understand the headshape.

>>50717860
It originated from last thread when someone suggested that the sister's helmet be part of their face and they have a deep sea theme. The facemask is meant to evoke a viper fish or angler fish. It's more evident in OP pic.

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>>50717980
I really don't see it. She looks like a golden Batboy.

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>>50718005
A less exaggerated version of pic related's lower jaw.

>>50714698
>>50714754
>>50714812
>>50715448
Personally I'm leaning on the side of it's not the Emperor so much as it's humanity's own every growing warp presence getting (initially) hijacked by the SoB's faith and the imperial creed going full cancerous and causing humanity's psionic development to take a sharp left turn from where ANYONE expected it to go though if we're making "Official" fluff for this I'd say we leave the question open, as well as what's happening to the corpse on the throne, imply a couple of things but never say for certain

>>50716098
This is cool though

>>50717673
Nice

>>50717656
As the guy who wrote the original bit of SoB demon wanting to procreate I'd prefer if we could continue to discuss both, though I'd prefer to work out the fluff for the idea first

Also as fun as lesbians are it kinda pings my "Going against (head)canon" that the angel's molesting a woman, girls can't procreate with girls
Though I suppose the angels just having a healthy admiration for the divine human form and wanting to inspect the guardswoman's should be acceptable

>>50718938
>spoilers

Given the tech level of the IoM, the existence of space magic, and the that Warp works off of feelings, two women being able to manage to make a kid hardly seems impossible. Much less a Daemon lady and a sufficiently pious follower lady.

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>>50718938
>the original bit of SoB demon wanting to procreate
I got ya covered.

>>50719031
>>50717673
>less than two hours between pics
Goddamn, you're a quick one aren't you?

>>50718996

so your saying the demon would spontaneously grow a rather feminine penis

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>>50718996
I'd prefer not to assume that, at least not now, would like to finish fluff before we go complete magical realm with this idea

Also the idea of that happening tempts me with the magical realm of that kinda thing happening frequently enough to skew the gender ratios until the imperium until is made up of 90+% lesbian angels and fanatically faithful women blessed with angelic heritage


>>50719031
Nice again,
Also seconding >>50719105, you work fast

>>50719031
>the marine is oblivious and actually kills the demon

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>>50719177
>spoiler text

>>50718938
I really doubt that gender would matter much to something that's made of metal and fire and the glorious light of true belief in the ascendant Emperor. If an Imperial daemonette wants to praise the human form in lewd ways, I feel like male and female would be equally worthy in her eyes.

>>50719253
>implying the deathwatch would do anything to harm a holy imperial being.

>>50719313
But it confessed of heresy and asked for a purging in repentance.

>>50719031

you know she seems sad, but the marine appears to be quite happy with this arrangement. I don't know, maybe i'm just projecting what i expect to see, but that is a very happy looking helmet.

>>50719253
>marine kills her in a fit of pious rage against all daemonkind
>she returns to the Warp
>marine's faith in the Emperor summons her forth into the material world again
It's like Groundhog Day.

>>50719387
She's just this lewd daemon that he can't seem to shake. It's like a sitcom.

>>50719167
I was aiming for pure /u/. Hermaphroditism is something I'm unsure of fitting with the whole holy human form thing and it seems like it's more of a Slaanesh thing.
>>50719177
It's no more magical realm than the het version.

Also I imagine that the majority of the daemons would be born of the SoB and the SoB would be the humans that enjoy the vast majority of the Daemons' "attentions".

Given long enough, they'd probably be able to not need to recruit orphans.

However I doubt that the IoM would skew that far in the sex ratio. They've got literal fucktons of normal ass people to keep the balance of the sexes.

>>50719633
>I was aiming for pure /u/. Hermaphroditism is something I'm unsure of fitting with the whole holy human form thing and it seems like it's more of a Slaanesh thing.
>Also I imagine that the majority of the daemons would be born of the SoB
Agree with you on both these points

>Given long enough, they'd probably be able to not need to recruit orphans.
Though I would assume they still would, it just sorta twinged my headcanon about how it kicks off a positive feedback loop on things, where the angels cause both a massive swelling of faith and of the SoB ranks

The part about the gender ratios was honestly just my fetish taking things and running with them


Also should we have a third thread?
I'm up for continuing to work with the fluff at this point, though I think the broad strokes are done, what other ideas do people have/think still need to be worked on?

>>50719441
>The Demon is a glowing fishwoman that's most of the time is sexually frustrated, because her advances terrify the Imperial citizens and she has to constantly think of ingenious ways to lure them

>The Guardsman is a regular guardsman that just wants to survive, occasionaly get drunk and someday go home, but gets in The Demon's field of view too often, to the point when he just wants for a single night when he doesn't share his bunk with a lewd fishwoman. Episodes are about how he tries to evade or resist The Demon's attempts to bed him and fails, hilarity ensues

>The Guardswoman is from auxiliary corps stationed with Guardsman's regiment that rarely see combat. She's attracted to The Guardsman, who's just tired and doesn't want any lays or relationships anymore, and often tries to subvert The Demon's plans out of jealousy, only to occasionally get dragged into /u/ action

>The Marine appears rarely and is the subject of The Demon's obsession. Whenever be appears, the episode is about The Demon trying to get his attention, excluding all else. He doesn't understand innuendos and brushes off "impure" thoughts, instead concentrating on his faith in the Emperor, which in turn strengthens The Demon and magnifies her frustration even more. Kind of a comic relief, being harem anime MC-tier dense and oblivious.

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>>50634307
>>We will concern ourselves with the SoB daemons

Assuming Big E wasn't going to go with the "classic Angel" imagery, I would have expected soemthing like Valkryries, or the WoW Valkyr.

>>50720085
That's probably part of it honestly, albeit moreso for the lesser demons and seen through the lens of 40k tech level, hence the lesser demons looking like they're clad in pseudo powered armor

>>50720176
>hence the lesser demons looking like they're clad in pseudo powered armor
I was under the impression that this was the result of the Sisters getting turned into demons of the Emperor at the moment of his ascension and their armor becoming a part of them through Warp magic.

>>50719177
>dat spoiler text
Implying that they don't have threesomes to counter act that potential problem

>>50720319
I was thinking demon/angelhood happened postmortem, possibly while they're still alive if they're REALLY fanatical and it wasn't just the sisters, they're just the most common due to their fanaticism, or at least that's what I thought the original idea was

As to the look, I was at least assuming this idea from last thread for the lesser angels, >>50634352's pic for the greater ones
>Gold armor with Imperial heraldry, form fitting designed to emphasize the human form, can range from standard SoB boobplate to pretty much just metal skin
>If there's any exposed skin armor starts to blend into it at the edges, nonhandheld machinery used is either grafted into armor or her own body
>Physically they are tall and muscular, VERY idealized human form, not overtly sexualized (at least not any more than the SoB currently are), but still definitely based on a beautiful female and definitely able to wreck your shit
>Aura of fire and chanting as well
Or at least a gold, humanoid wearing varying degrees of armor and said armor being varying degrees of holy eldritchness with things like OP's pic being on the far end of armored and eldritch for the lesser ones


>>50720433
As >>50719268 noted, it's probably not an issue for either the warp based angels or the Imperium's tech level

>>50720433
A m/f/f threesome would ruin the whole point of the mutual appreciation for the female human form.

Also it's not even a problem.

Is there a 1d4chan page yet

>>50720575
Not yet, kinda why I keep asking if anyone has more details, I would myself but I tend to be ...concise when writing things, and not sure I could make a large page
If no one else is compiling information though I was thinking about making one final thread after this to ask about final details and then trying to write something up tomorrow, probably in the afternoon

>>50720575
Nope.

>>50720547
I was thinking it was less appreciation of the female form and more appreciation of the human form in general, they both just happen to be female and one just happens to be full of enough warp bullshit that her popping out of the warp 9 months later to drop off a baby isn't out of the question

Actually come to think of it, do you think the Imperium would clone living saints/SoBs that were faithful enough to rise as angels? Or somehow ensure their faithful line was passed on?
Though that might be too close to female space marines for my liking

>>50720641
Clones don't do so well in W40k from what I remember of the subject. Like they tend to have really shitty luck.

Also i was speaking of that particular instance of loving as being just about the female human form.

>>50720702
>Clones don't do so well in W40k from what I remember of the subject. Like they tend to have really shitty luck.
Wasn't sure, I knew some lines of clones had shit luck but I also thought it was fairly common tech

>Also i was speaking of that particular instance of loving as being just about the female human form.
Oh, sorry about that, misread things

Gonna ask one last time tonight, anyone got more details they want added or details they think are missing?
I'll probably make another thread in an hour or two then go to bed and try to compile everything in a 1d4chan page in the afternoon

>>50720787
Also, one more thing, what should it be called?
I'll probably end up defaulting to "SoBs as demons" if no one has other ideas

NEW THREAD
>>50722355

>>50722355

>>50722355

Gonna go ahead and label this the last, things slowing down and I'm not sure there's much more we can do with this idea