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>>51441824
It started with filk last time. It's doing the same again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATmGwOdSEk0

I'm seeing the 3 big factions within Chaos as being

Erebus - Largest number of The Fallen. Fallen tend to be further augmented with possession Oblitorator Virus, bucket loads of blessings and SCIENCE! Also he has The Chariot of the Gods. It's a Blackstone Fortress. He's somehow bound deamons into it to act as an operating system. He is also a human supremacist and sees humanity as the favored child of the gods, eldar are a failed race FUCKING SUCK IT MALYS YOU STUPID WHORE!

Lady Malys - Has the loyalty (HAHAHAHAHA!) of most of the Chaos Eldar which is a holy shit number. Also has the blessing of all the dark gods and so can call huge numbers of deamons. In terms of personal capability not even Emperor Oscar would be stupid enough to take her on without backup. Currently on top of the game due to effectively uniting Chaos and Dark eldar. Eldar supremacist who sees herself as rebuilding the Old Empire but better.

Be'lakor - Old as balls Deamon-Prince. Older than most of the current crop of gods. Back in his day there were two Chaos gods. Tzneetch and Malal. They were the same consuming it's own tail. He has seen some shit. Not as powerful as Lady Malys but at least as devious and cunning. His followers are almost universally Chaos Undivided and the shit they summon tends to be from out in the Wasteland of the Realm of Chaos. His followers aren't as numerous or as powerful as Erebus but they tend to be more stable.

There are other lesser lordlings of chaos. Most are flocking to the banner of Lady Malys because shit's getting real.

>>51442254
Sounds good, although I think it would work better if Luther rather than Erebus was the head of the Fallen. Erebus seems like more of a “Chaos for Chaos’ sake” kind of guy, accepting of all peoples so long as they follow the will of the Dark Gods, as opposed to the established human supremacist Luther.

Erebus could essentially act as a "messenger" between the major mortal-ish factions of Chaos, being the only one who is essentially acceptable to all of them. He's human enough for Luther, his devotion to the Dark Gods is strong enough for Lady Malys, and he grovels enough to make him acceptable for Be'lakor.

So in this case is a Black Crusade one of the few times where the various warbands of Chaos are actually on the same page and work together (at least until their sudden but inevitable betrayal) because FUCK THE IMPERIUM. Because although the various warbands of Chaos may hate each other, they hate the Imperium even more. It makes sense given what we have so far. The Fallen were aiding the Cronedar at the Battle of Terra, and it makes sense that there would have to be some kind of threshold such that every Chaos attack isn't a Black Crusade (the Panacea Wars, for example, were just Malys, not a full Black Crusade). It would also make sense because if the warbands of Chaos can't get their shit together at least for a little bit, how can they hope to stand against the unified Imperium?

Also, is Be'lakor still an early Old One experiment with apotheosis pissed off that he 'merely' attained Daemon Princedom as opposed to full blown warp god?

>eldar are a failed race FUCKING SUCK IT MALYS YOU STUPID WHORE!

Sh...shut up Malys. It's not like I like you or anything.

>>51442889

Might also want to tone down Malys' Eldar supremacy a bit to distinguish her from whoever we decide leads the Fallen so she isn't just Luther BUT AN ELDAR. Malys is an Eldar supremacist, but not narrow-minded enough to turn down help from the Fallen. Mainly focused on spreading Chaos for Chaos' sake (which she might see as the fruits of the Old Empire), though she's so uncontrollable even the Dark Gods are a little nervous about her.

Is it wrong that I find nobledark!Malys to be more terrifying than vanilla!Abbadon? Vanilla!Abbadon is a bit of a generic schemer. Malys is terrifying because she too is a schemer but she's also a complete lunatic at the same time. She can come up with devious plans, but they're often the kind of schemes that can only come from the kind of coked-up mind that is high on warp dust all the time. It's like that old saying: "how can you predict what your enemy will do when even they don't know what they're doing". Abbadon aims high with his Black Crusades but often has to be satisfied with consolation prizes. Malys doesn't care if she doesn't win this round because of the sheer amount of destruction caused and how crazy she is.

Perhaps one additional group worth mentioning in the bunch:

Huron Blackheart - Not a major warlord, but still worth mentioning. Turned five chapters to Chaos during the Badab War, one devoted to each god and Huron's personal chapter the Red Corsairs following Chaos Undivided. Act more like mercenaries than cultists, willing to support any major warband as long as the pay is good. This is one of the ways people like Malys and Be'lakor get their hands on CSM (other than those that aren't hardcore Luther followers). Currently throwing their lot in with Malys for the 13th Black Crusade like many of the lesser warbands.

>>51443029
It could also be the case now that the forces of Chaos, specifically Malys, can mass produce Astartes on level with an actual trained AdBio Magi.

The Reason for this? Dr Bile of of the old Empire's Children Legion took up residence in the Dark City. The trick is getting him to keep focused on one thing long enough. The man has the attention span of a small puppy.

As a citizen of The Dark City Lord Vect is pretty sure he is owed a fair few years of unpaid rent and there is nothing like Vect standing over your shoulder to focus the mind wonderfully.

How are the Kroot in this AU?

>>51444496
With the Imperium. Most of the races that got nommed up by the Tau as auxillaries in canon are incorporated into the Imperium here, since the Imperium isn't a "no xenos allowed" club anymore.

Beyond that, the Kroot are wide open.

>>51443342
Vect himself also has the fruits of the Chthonian raid, whatever that may be. so far it could be anything from necrodermis derived living flesh or psychic supercomputers, going by previous writing

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>>51444759
The Tau Empire was already an established thing before it folded into the Imperium so I would suggest that some of the core races were already part of the Tau Empire when they joined.

As such hey joined as a together as a unified political entity much like the Interex in ages past.

In the Vanilla Tau fluff it mentioned a race called the Poctroon who were the first sapient species to join the Empire. Then they got exterminated by a plague and the Tau inherited all their shit.

In this timeline the plague could have been an attack by an indigenous Poctroon Nurglite cult.

Billions dying on such a grand scale from some variation on Nurgles Rot is felt by psychics for 500 light Years in every direction what and with it being a half-psychic virus. The Tau have no psychics of their own and so it fell on deaf ears with them and the unreal nature of the disease frustrated the Earth Caste and Poctroon doctors trying to cure it.

The Imperium did have psychics listening.

Not long afterwards a human in dark green robes turns up.

The Bio-Priest and her retinue start to work as soon as they are given landing clearance and she had seen Nurgles Rot before. Oh hell yes she had. And the effects it could cause if left to spread. She had seen the dead rise up to consume the living and would have none of it.

This was the first official contact between humanity and Tau. Or at least the first the Tau will acknowledge as one fly by by an Explorator vessel in the early bronze/late neolithic era apparently doesn't count.

Due to the time between first spread of the infection and the arrival of the AdBio only 2% of the Poctroon population was saved in the remote areas that were infected last. It's still 2% more than would otherwise be.

Although the Tau Empire never lied about the Imperium's assistance to the Poctroon they sure as shit down play it's significance whilst playing up the efforts of the Earth Caste.

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>>51446605
The adept remained on the Poctroon homeworld for a another 30 years, taking samples of local wildlife and monitoring for secondary outbreaks, before setting off back to Molech.

This was when the Imperium really became aware of the Tau as an emerging power on the Eastern Fringe. It's also worth noting that the Tau of that time had a prominent member of the Ruling Council known as Aun'o'T'au'Acaya'Va'Denta, abreviated commonly to Aun'Va. Everyone assumes that the current Aun was named in his memory, but some in the Inquisition are getting slightly suspicious as there is a hell of a resemblance to the current Aun an the ancient predecessor.

No I can't think of a good name for the AdBio Adept.

>>51446700
Mertilda? A corrupted form of Matilda. Just popped into my head, she seems like a Matilda.

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>>51447005
I see no reason why not.

Also I can't find a description of the Poctroon so until someone tells me otherwise I'm imagining them looking like Kerbals.

>>51446700
Speaking of which, does anyone remember the issue where we were having trouble figuring out how Farsight has lived so long despite his sword being a Blade of Vaul here?

Well I looked at Lexicanum, and it turns out Vaul literally named his masterwork sword "Dawn Bringer", which is pretty damn close to "Dawn Blade". Add the fact that the Eldar were known to use weapons that messed with lifespan before the fall (Spear of Twilight being the best example), and it looks like there's a pretty good argument for the Dawn Blade being both a Blade of Vaul and capable of prolonging someone's life.

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>>51447283
With that in mind it's all two possible that Aun'Va and Farsight are now locked in an endless slow battle of ideology that will have no victor till the stars fade and time freezes over.

Random Idea (warning, kind of rambling): The Sanguinor. What is he like here?
What if he is becoming an Imperial God (they can't worship the Emperor, but he said nothing about his kids...)?
I have an idea that revolves around Sanguinius basically rebelling gently against the genetic purity doctrines of his people (according to the draft notes, they were obsessed with it) and being very accepting of 1) the common person, and 2) xenos and mutants, along with his NOBLEDARK STRUGGLE against his flaws of bloodraeg, maybe he was called "The Gentle" and is worshiped as a figure of acceptance of others and overcoming your flaws. Also, last ditch defenses (making him popular amongst the Guard).
The Sanguinor is his godly manisfestation, coming to lend aid when The Line Must Be Held and there is no other choice.
Basically I want to give the IG two Saint Figures, Sanguinius and Ollianus, (who in my head Held The Line beside Sanguinius), forging a close relationship between the Blood Angels and the Guard.

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>>51447600
I would leave it ambiguous.

Some say that it's Sangy reborn.

Some say it's Sany's ghost.

Some say that it's a manifestation of hope and defiance.

Some say it's a mortal descendant of Sangy that became a Perfect Space Marine.

Some say it's a title handed down from Blood Angel to Blood Angel.

Some say it's bullshit made up by the Commissairiant's propaganda department and later licensed to film makers for buckets of cash.

Some say it's the one Blood angel that was stationed of Prospero when shit went sideways.

Some say it's actually an Eldar Phoenix Lord.

Some say it's a robot.

Some say it's a wraithconstruct containing the soul of Apothecary Meros.

Nobody will ever know for sure. All that is known is that it appears in silence out of nowhere when shit is going bad and hits like a high precision supersonic wrecking ball.

I have no pictures of the Sanguinor.

>>51447741
So basically strike out "The Sanguinor is his [Sanguinius'] godly manifestation" and the rest is okay?

>>51447814
Basically yes.

It's a thing that appears and saves the day. It looks like a Blood Angel set to MAXIMUM BLING and that's about all anyone can know with total certainty.

>>51447600
Olly was an Imperial Navyman in this timeline who made sure there was a Battle of Terra as opposed to a Curbstomp of Terra by ramming the Beast's Rokk and keeping him from orbital dropping the planet.

We figured it would be a better way to distinguish the two rather than have a whole bunch of interchangeable sacrifices.

>>51447600
>>51447741
>>51447814
>>51447966
Sangyfag here, back after a bit of a hiatus from the thread. I actually started a brief story about the Sanguinor a while back before abandoning it.

The gist of it was that the Sanguinor is actually Azkaellon, who was the sole survivor of the First Company at the plaza of the Eternity Gate since he was rescued from the brink of death by the Alpha Legion. The rest of the Blood Angels thinks he died along with everyone else though they couldn't find a body, and wracked with survivors guilt he becomes the Sanguinor as penance. He camps out in a secluded corner of the Webway (which explains how he's able to live so long despite being a normal SM) and uses the Emperor's Tarot to find Blood Angels in need. Due to his immense skill and some luck he has prevailed every time and been denied the death he desperately seeks.

Not sure if that idea is any good, if there's interest I may get around to finishing it.

>>51448342
Sangy-worshipping Guardsman here (>>51447600 is mine). That's actually a pretty cool idea. Fucking Noble as hell.
>>51447991
So who is the Guardsman who made fucking huge balls (some of the balls issued are so huge they had to be turned into tits) standard issue?

Olly did. He basically told everyone to plot a collision course for the Beast's Rokk and then abandon ship, while he remained at the bridge and went down with the ship. Don't remember if he was Void Born or not, I believe he wasn't.

>>51448342
Yeah, I was hoping that someone would bring that up.

>>51448342
>>51448482
Also, consider the following. Azkaellon might know who the Sanguinor really is, but no one else does. And considering the nature of 40k and just how many people look up to Sanguinius (seeing as along with Oscar and Isha he's one of the few people looked favorably upon by everyone in the Imperium), that means that a mysterious Sanguinius-like stranger showing up to save the day would really boost the Sanguinor's reputation. There may have once been a mortal Sanguinor, but the one suplexing Bloodthirsters on Khartas may be something else entirelly.

Alternatively, Azkaellon may not realize he's been getting the Eldrad-Merlin treatment from his actions by acting all mysterious and shit. Which would be rather ironic because he's literally trying to die in penance for his deeds and his own actions won't let him.

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>>51443029
Lady Malys goals in launching these Black Crusades should be not to gain prizes and other glorious things that small-minded Abbadon would do. The wars are started to bring the Imperium to its knees with the sheer amount of anarchy or destruction wrought by the armies of Chaos. These crusades end not due to disintegration by the Fallen running back to the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom with trophies in hand. The wars end with Lady Malys ordering the full withdraw of all Chaos forces back home. Each and every Black Crusade grows in strength and number as the targets for them become more and more ambitious.

The wars are where the Imperium always suffer more losses than Chaos then if the tide of the war changes against Chaos, Lady Malys already planned the inevitable fighting retreat or scorch-planet campaigns just to twist the knife in the Imperium's eyes. Even chasing after Chaos forces as they retreat should result in horrific losses for the Imperials even more so than the initial fighting. The scorch-planet campaigns would leave entire sub-sectors devoid of resources or infrastructure forcing the Imperium to rebuild in centuries long projects. To account for the Imperium being stronger, Chaos taint is left behind to ensure long-term instability along with sleeper cells or cults to bring ruin to the Imperium from within. The targets for the crusades are always almost irreplaceable things the Imperium hold such as STCs and Forge worlds while poisoning Argi-worlds then spreading separatist ideas.

Knowing a war of attrition could never be won against the Imperium, the Black Crusades are made to bleed the Imperium to death while minimizing losses for Chaos.

>>51449019

Guy who wrote >>51442889, >>51443029 here. You absolutely hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to get at with Malys' Black Crusades.

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>>51449062
I was trying to get the feeling of the Northern Crusades where Christian armies went around killing Pagans and spreading Christianity to permanently plant the religion in hostile territory. The withdrawal of Chaos is made to sound like the Germans retreating in the Battle of the Bulge, where the victors suffered horrific losses chasing after the outnumbered defeated Germans.

So, onto IG, are we still stuck with tissue paper and flashlights? Or can our lasguns actually do something in this verse?
I mean, it's a legit question: if the most basic armed forces of the Imperium have a good per-unit effectiveness, that means that less of the working capable populace are poured into a meatgrinder.

>>51450782
I still need to write up on what Flak armor is actually like but the Lasgun is written in detail in 2 threads ago.

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>>51450954
>Where did the Flak Armor come from?

There was no such thing as a standardized armor used by the Imperial Army during the Great Crusade. The closes thing to such a concept came in the form of the Solar Pattern Void Armor used widely by the Solar Auxilia but that was a carapace-reinforced void suite rather than Flak Armor as we know it today. The first documented instances of what could be considered Flak Armor was when Cadian Shock Troops started equipping troopers on mass with light anti-shrapnel armor near the end of the Great Crusade. Cadian officers found out on the battlefield when Cadian Guardsmen attacked entrenched positions most of their losses sustained were from artillery or random bits of debris thrown into the air by artillery. The different regiments from Cadia phased out the traditional metal plate armor for Flak Armor, all future campaigns used Flak Armor once manufactorums switched production lines right before the War of the Beast.

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>>51452288 (cont.)
The breastplate, shoulder pauldrons, knee plates, and greaves all used the same material and layering as each other. The helmet has considerable more armor and the fabric connecting the armor is much weaker or lacks any sort of plating. Most of the actual armor in Flak Armor uses an inner layer of shock absorbent gel with metal plating between the gal and outer ceramic layer. All three of these layers are connected and interwoven with carbon-fiber, metal-fabric, and nylon strings forcing the layers to stay together under most conditions. The ceramic plate was designed to deflect shrapnel or at least cause it to be stuck in the plate. The metal layer was placed to stop lasbolts or stubber rounds from fully penetrating through the armor in case if the shot passed the ceramic plate. The gal is there as either the last ditch effort to stop shrapnel from fully penetrating the armor or prevent internal bleeding from receiving a direct hit. Flak Armor fabric is made from different carbon-fiber, metal fabrics, and thick cloths to prevent shrapnel from cutting through or a blade from ripping it. Flak Armor helmet tend to have extra metal plating to ensure that not all shots to the head are fetal or random falling debris didn’t kill the Guardsman.

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>>51452298 (cont.)
The first major combat test of Flak Armor was seen in the War of the Beast. On the frontlines Flak Armor proved to be basically ineffective in protecting against Ork weaponry. The Orks had used unusually large stubber rounds up to but not limited to 10 or 12mm that would slice right through Flak plating. What would be considered dangerous Ork rockets would often miss even with flam ammo, Flak armor was more than enough protection against most Ork rocketry short of city block leveling size. Crone Eldar and Dark Eldar weapons of both Saw and Splinter ammo had difficult times penetrating Flak plating unless there was concentrated fire where even the Flak plating can only protect against so much. When the Fallen first turned on Imperial Army elements, blosters were used for the first time against Flak Armor. The bolter rounds would often penetrate Flak plating to only cleanly exit out on the other side then explode, if the Guardsman was lucky they would still be alive. When a Guardsman was even luckier the bolter shell would be deflected off of Flak plating and explodes prematurely in mid-air, unless the explosion was in their face the shrapnel would be mostly harmless. The flexibility, simplicity, and cheapness to produce Flak Armor instead of Void suits led to many Imperial worlds adopting the Flak Armor, quotas and resources were limited in the total economic mobilization that happened in the War of the Beast made Flak Armor even more popular.

>>51450954
Oh, that's pretty nice. Although barrel "warping" implies the actual barrel structure failing: what's far more likely is the focusing mechanisms degrading from thermal stress. It might also mean that one of the most precious STCs discovered (according to the guardsmen who don't respond with "the cabinet of booze, porn, and smokes") is... A better lasgun barrel.
Based on that post, I would put the standard lasgun of their post as about a (based on a wiki trawl) 7.92x57mm Mauser round. Maybe a bit more powerful. I should grab a /k/ommando to figure out good numbers.
With any luck, a better barrel (or acceptance of a greater logistical train that pisses off the cogboys), could get a standard lasgun up to about the average "the fucker had armor and cover" sniper rifle in damage ability.

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>>51452325 (cont.)
During the Apostasy, Imperial Guard regiments openly fought against one another and this saw the first use of Flak Armor against massed artillery. Regiments would launch massive formations to charge at entrenched Guardsmen who were well prepared for such an attack. The defenders would fire blinding volleys of artillery shells to delay the charge. Flak Armor proved a Guardsman could survive an artillery barrage short of a direct hit right next to their feet they would be fine, if the shockwave from the explosion didn’t destroy the body’s organs that is. Artillery barrages could now only slow down attacks from Guardsmen thanks to Flak Armor. Field modifications noted to be used by regiments during the Apostasy was extra cloth being to prevent shrapnel from easily slicing the joints. Thicker ceramic plates are used by veteran Guardsmen against Orks to at least survive glancing shots from Ork stubbers. Regiments constantly facing Crone or Dark Eldar is deployed with extra metal layered Flak Armor to prevent enemy fire from penetrating Flak plating.

We have been holled up in the upper decks of Polonia IV's single space elevator for the better part of a month. I, arch-militant Bertram Lilium-Pious, and the rest of the crew of the Zephyr of Ultima, had come to the system with the esteemed Rogue Trader Rigel Tabrion Galahath Morrot looking for our fortunes in the ruin left by what had been the 9th black crusade.
We had moored our ships atop the argi world's lone mast, itself battered and scarred from the recently passed era of war, and surveyed the silent plains and untended grox herds in the vast spaces between the few empty cities and blasted towns. There had been some small fortune found upon Polonia IV, forgotten in the vaults of the governor's palace or the museums of the small capital, and in small and few technological installations across the system. Of the survivors there was little to say, the few there were were so broken they were nearly feral. Perhaps in a century, with imperial aid, they could build a feudal world where once there was an advanced and efficient breadbasket to the local sub-sector. We based our salvage and recovery efforts from atop their remaining beanstalk and his eminence Rigel's hirelings made a good effort of restoring to good order everything not suitable to salvage from the depopulated world. Thus situated, it was a surprise indeed when our ships were struck by torpedo fire and our attackers vanished to elsewhere in the system.
Next on the surface we found the mounting signs of cults among the survivors, and what escort ships we could spare to investigate the system have since been gunned down. As our predicament has worsened we have fortified the space elevator and have been sheltering proven loyal survivors within, our hope being to repair the flagship and merchantman's engines and quit the system with our loot and the goodly people remaining.

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>>51452376
An Astartes barge was seen to jump into the system scant days ago, aboard are an order of Dark Angels. Our calls for aid being readily answered is good fortune, and every appendage of the empire has been extended to dress the wound the 9th crusade dealt. We have been fighting a brushfire war across this little planet against a force that seems a remnant of the agri world's PDF, now ravening marauders with greatswords and artillery, coming down from bunkers in the northern reaches of the world. Had we taken greater care we might have discovered these forces of renegades sooner we might have made war upon them from above and slain them in their pits, now we fight them upon the plains and in towns, holding them back as we sift their infiltrators from the peasants at the base of the beanstalk afore we allow them up. In any case, the Angels Ascendant, as these knights style themselves, seem not quite the blessing they ought to be. Their ship looks good and proper through our telescopes, as beaten as one coming from the scouring of the old crone's wretches should be, but the seneschal can't find their ilk in her books of history, and over the vox their officer sounds somehow over eager to delve into the mountain strongholds of these daemon worshipers, showing a certain expectation becoming a man involved in a personal matter. My nerves are not helped by the whispers of apostate astartes commanding the army of barbarous warriors. We have repaired the Zephyr's engines, Lord Rigel will meet their captain in orbit to convene and plan the recapture of Polonia, and I go with him. I hope to get the measure of these Astartes before we take the field with them, and glean the history of their order where the good seneschal cannot.

>>51452630
The Angels Ascendant appear to be an old order, if the Terran made armor of their captain, Bercilak, is anything to go by. Why they ever made helmets like that is beyond me, the seneschal says it was in celebration of the human form, but its more eerie than anything else. Just as he was over the vox, he can't wait a moment to wet his sword, and is more than happy to leave the situation at the space elevator to us, with the addition of a few of his chaplains, while he goes raising hell in the northern fortresses our foes claim to have. Far be it from me to stand in front of a charge lead by the emperor's finest, but tales have long been of dark knights of the lion playing as pure ones, and no good would it be to loose a system and our lives to warp damned lutherian rabble. Bercilak seems a good sort, but hard hearted and single minded from years on the front. At our meeting in his war room he strode about in his armor, shaking fist and tossing his cropped hair like he was at the climax of some arch opera cycle. Our ships remain docked, Bercilak's soon to fly north to begin deployment, our own to support the continuing battles in more temperate climes. Our astropath has since heard from the nearest Imperial Navy station that a loyalist Dark Angel chapter has been traced to our vicinity returning from the front, and that an additional detachment of guard were to be routed to Polonia to address the chaos threat.

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>>51452947
A regiment of the Armageddon 400th arrived in the system a week ago, their transport ship ready to assume our overwatch position in orbit while the Zephyr went to search for the unknown ship that originally attacked us. I have remained at our staging area on the space elevator to manage the mounting war. As stubber armed militias and imperial standard armor continue to roll south over Pollonia IV's lone supercontinent it is becoming clear that what had seemed a depopulated world held some significant force of fallen men, armed with imperial munitions and lead by officers of worth. Bercilak has made headway in the plateaus of the northern mountains, but he is always pressing ahead of supply chasing enemy forces from hamlet to hamlet, and he is loathe to leave the front, pursuing the elusive hideout of the commander of this nameless rebellion, whatever that may be. It has been judged that we face the corruption of Nurgle and Khorne together, and their daemons and champions we've found among our foe's number, but Polonia IV is firmly within our right imperial force's grasp. No crone wretch nor fallen astarte has been seen in the battles thus far, though the steel clad mutineers make good account of their strength despite the lack. I've seen their forces met on the once solemn fields of this bomb pitted pasture world, infantry fleeing the airmen of house Morrot, guns faced down by the tanks of the guard, in towns swinging cleaving blades upon their fellow polonians even as the men of the imperium fire upon them, and as men of the Angels Ascendant drove them from mountain keeps, even as they are daily shot down flying to rocket bomb the length of the beanstalk. The looming question in my mind is that of the offending ship, but expect it long fled, and have little doubt the Zephyr will confirm this. Last, as the season has changed orks have budded in the south, though firebombing has been successful in their mitigation.

And now for Bolter-Bitches
About M33, a supposed copy of the Black Manuscript surfaced during an investigation into a possible Chaos Cult. Logar being dead, he couldn’t answer in regards to that happening. Thanks to paperwork, the Ordo Malleus had to turn over the investigation to the Ordo Securitas, where a leak blew the entire thing wide open.
Prior to the entire incident, worshipers of the Steward were in a sticky legal situation: the Imperium allowed a limited freedom of religion, and the Imperial Cults skirted the edge of that; they broke the "Don't Worship Oscar" Law, but they acted as modified forms of already allowed religions, inserting him into important, but secondary, positions. Making the situation even sticker was something the Steward found truly hilarious: The Seat-Stealer Heresy and the Church of The Seat Warmer.
The Seat-Stealer Heresy was a joint Yechudian and Katholian religious movement which held that Oscar had usurped the position of the Returning Prophet by creating an imitation realm of heaven. Termed a Heresy by their parent religions, a brief religious war was fought until Oscar took notice by gleefully exclaiming "Finally! Someone who agrees with me!" before he explained that he was not a god or devil, but rather appreciated someone trying to humble him. Shortly thereafter, a counter-heresy arose which took the form of a philosophical movement focused on The Steward and his various sayings. For fun, they called themselves the Church of The Seat Warmer, saying that one day, maybe, a guy or gal that has, maybe, been prophesied, might ascend humanity to the Realm of Heaven. Maybe. But until then, Oscar does a good job of keeping their seat warm.
He found that one even more hilarious, especially when the leaders sent him a self-heating seat cushion and a fake villainous mustache.
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>>51453619
The Church of The Saviour Emperor changed that situation. Not only did they have a copy of the Black Manuscript, they had distributed a modified form of it and spread to over a hundred worlds. They held that Oscar was every non-chaos prophet and god known to human religion, and that anybody who held the title of “Emperor” was an active insult to him. And somebody in the Ordo Securitas printed and released even more copies of what the Church called the Lectito Divinatus – which had the even more concerning effect of hurting daemons when recited from. The CSE spread even faster from the exposure, aided by what is officially Appendix B, or self titled as the Codex Sectae; which was an instruction manual for subverting your local religion into a semi-Katholian church focused on The Steward as the only being suitable for worship. Appendix A (Codex Exterminatus) was focused on subverting local governments into committing genocide, and Appendix C (Exhortation of The Faithful) focused on destroying “deviant sects”. Most Inquisitors noted that each appendix was about as big as the actual book they were appended to. Even Oscar took notice, and in official publications condemned the CSE – although some say that he focused too much on Appendices A and C, which might have pushed back Imperial-Xenos relationships by a few decades.
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>>51453635
Then the situation blew up even more as the Ordo Securitas discovered what Appendix C called “Deviant Sects”: The Confederation of Light. While both were based on the Lectico Divinatus (although the COL added worship of Isha, and was far kinder about the entire seat-warmer thing, calling Oscar “Emperor of Humanity’s Heart), the COL replaced appendices A and C, and modified B. Their Codex Sectae called for less subversion and more “do this shit in private”. Appendix A became the Codex Benevolum, focusing on welcoming others to the cult (and how to adapt the Faith to their religion), and Appendix C was the only part the Steward agreed with: The Remembrance of Sacrifice, which mandated remembering all who laid down their lives in defense of the Imperium, and extolled the virtue “of ensuring the flames of hope lit by their deaths never die”.
Both faiths moved further underground, although the COL did gain a boost in recruitment when Oscar quietly allowed the public release of just the Remembrance of Sacrifice. Both faiths began to engage in near-constant religious warfare, leading to the eventual creation of the Inquisition’s Ordo Hereticus in charge of dealing with religious crimes (which often made them butt heads with the Ordo Malleus). Both receded from public attention until just after the Great Civil War when a quiet Ordo Hereticus investigation revealed that Inquisitor Thor was a COL member, and that Vandire had lead a variant CSE sect that held him as the Emperor’s Prophet. When asked by Oscar about the entire religious aspect of the incident, he merely shrugged and replied “I meant it when I said that you’re the best person for the job”.
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>>51453654
Additional scrutiny was focused on the COL leadership when investigations revealed just where Vandire’s “Brides of The Emperor” all-female bodyguard force had gone: right into the pocket of Inquisitor Thor and the head of the Custodes and out to… Somewhere. Further investigations (demanded by the Emperor because he occasionally felt something weird that the Eternal Empress identified as “prayers”) lead nowhere until the arrival of the Hive Fleets in mid M37, where multiple frontier worlds were saved by the intervention of white-haired women in power armour, wielding bolters and flamers, hymnals to the Emperor and Empress flowing from their lips. Alongside them were administrators, builders, healers, all the disciplines needed for disaster relief. The Adepta Sororitas had arrived to fulfill Thor’s Mission: To emulate the Emperor and live in service to the Imperium.

>>51453668
Up next (after some point), we figure out how the fuck the Imperium reacts to these bombshell blondes.

Oh god so much reading to do. So much glorious reading.

>>51453679
The Lectito Divinatus in this timeline is Lorgar's book on how to reunify and reconcile the Katholian and the Kartharanite sects of Katholianism into a single religion. It's considered his magnum opus (though not his most widely known work, for obvious reasons), but it's pretty dry if you aren't into that kind of stuff.

Also, I know we have a whole bunch of nobledark SoB stuff from previous threads. The SoB have been one of the most argued over parts of the setting because no Ecclesiarchy, but I don't think they were originally a cult devoted to Emperor worship.

>>51454221
This.

SoB are servants devoted to the Imperium rather then the Emperor and predate Vandire. They are the women who would have been good Space Marine candidates but for one chromosome.

In the last thread there was a brief description of their augmentations.

They are the strong right arm of internal affairs.

The sisterhoods are also not a religious institution, it's just coincidence that they have mostly very religious members.

>>51454670
I think it was mentioned though that the SoB as an institution did not get started until after the Age of Apostasy. Emperor basically realized after AoA that the Imperium needed more oversight to prevent this kind of shit from happening again, decided to kill two birds with one stone and created SoBs.

Was pointed out in a previous thread that Steward/Emperor would flip out at any openly religious institution in the Imperium.

That said, we still don't have an actual origin for the SoBs (as in, how Big E put two and two together). It could be that Thor was using augmented women warriors as part of his retinue, and that either gave Big E the idea or Thor pitched it to him.

Alternately Alicia Dominica could have pointed the idea out to the Emperor, and the Emperor in his typical fashion said "Okay, it looks like you've got a good idea there. So get to work."

Been trying to salvage as much as I can from the old archive threads and put it on the 1d4chan page so it doesn't get lost.

Biggest thing that comes to mind that has not been uploaded is Sangyfag's "Under the Celaes Tree", which I wasn't sure whether or not to add because they said the title was tentative.

Also does anyone know how to put images on 1d4chan? Was going to upload that image for Dorn and try to do something similar for Lion so they don't get lost.

>>51454842
It could have been that the old Legions and Chapters were all maintaining their own collections of mildly augmented fighting women to bolster their Space Marine forces.

The regular fighting plebs take the easy assaults and garrison duties, sisters take the mid range shit slightly too hard for the plebs to deal with and the Space Marines are free to jump into the worst infernos.

Sebastian Thor and Alicia Dominica reorganized the sisters of the Space Marine orders on their side into an inter-chapter rapid response and military police organization to ensure that no Vandire supporters have slipped into the ranks.

When the newly crowned Emperor Oscar was bullied onto the Throne he realized that he would need an institution to prevent this shit going down again. So he made the sisters a permanent Imperial Institution and told Dominica and Thor to go conscript the sisters of the other Legions and Chapters into it and set it up as they saw fit seeing as how they were so damn clever.

>>51452343
That's some seriously good shit.

>>51454842
>>51454934
Having just skimmed the Assmaster fluff again, the Securitas was formed at the end of Apostasy.

Origin of the SoBs would probably be, if we're keeping the whole Brides of the Emperor thing:
>Vandire finally gets assassins on his side
>Still wary of the SMs since he knows the surviving Primarchs are probably more loyal to Steward than him "just like everyone else REEEEEEEEEEEEE"
>Brides of the Emperor are formed, a huge bodyguard corps drawn from across the Imperium - one of the biggest selling points that it's a new order superior to the aged and stuffy relics of the Steward (cough cough SMs)
>This happens and Vandire augments some for actual bodyguarding but the majority are, like canon, >implied to be glorified courtesans.
>Thor and Steward take down Vandire, Ordo Securitas is established as Imperial Internal Affairs
>Sororitas/SoBs make up the militant arm of the Securitas
>>the formal explanation is that the Securitas, being technically above pretty much every arm of the Imperium, was given a decree passive, and the SoBs came into being as a loophole like they did in Vanilla 40k
>>unofficially, Dominica voiced to the Steward/Thor that the Brides as a whole sought penance for having aided and abetted Vandire, and aggressively dedicated themselves to the Ordo that was supposed to stop this shit arising again

>>51454871
I'll try and put the images up later tonight, time permitting.

>>51454871
Eh don't bother with my story at the moment, I kind of hate it and want to rewrite most of the dialogue.

>>51452343
Good stuff, though I think the effectiveness against bolt rounds might be overstated, I mean even if it punches through you're looking at a .75 caliber exit wound, and isn't it supposed to explode with the force of a full sized grenade?

>>51454221
Ah, so if I want to keep at least the religious fluff I need a new name for their holy book.
And I need to read the previous threads real close. I just tried to come up with something.
>>51457163
What I found was that the Securitas was formed after the Beheading. But conflicting fluff is nothing new.

I'll try to rework the entire thing.

Wrote up the Xenos classification thing that everyone seemed to like last thread into a more formal text entry.

http://pastebin.com/8b8Jjfec

If this sounds okay with everyone we can put it on 1d4chan.

>>51458232

Unfortunately that's the problem we're running into. A lot of good ideas but right now they're in an "unspoken rule" format since there is no finalized Codex entry for them. Which wasn't a problem at first, but XIV threads in is starting to become an issue. And no one wants to have to read XIV + II threads to get on the same level.

IIRC, the Ordo Securitas was founded after the beheading (the Sicarius from Vanilla), but at that time it's purpose was only to watch the Assassins and the organization had little to no militant power. Then after the Age of Apostasy the Emperor said "you know what, y'all have lost your 'not being watched over privileges'" and expanded the Securitas to be a more overarching organization to keep an eye on everyone, and then made the Sisters of Battle their militant arm to give them teeth.

>>51458320
I like it.
I would add a fourth that is never used, at least commonly: Xenos Obscuras. The races where we know only a few things, usually used to refer to dead races that are of really no threat (unless Indiana Jones fucks up again).

>>51458232
>>51458432
Nope, the Ordo Formerly Known As Sicarius was formed after the AoA in both Nobledark and Vanilla. In fairness, the Assassin fluff is awkwardly written since it doesn't really delineate between the Beheading and the AoA (which are the two major crises/plot points for the Assassins, no less)

>>51458432
Meanwhile, I was treating the Securitas as the "loose cannon investigators" that needed looser control than what they got in the Arbites.

But is the rest of my stuff okay? I'm personally fond of the Church of The Seat Warmer. Even in the far future, jokesters still pull their stuff.

>>51458544
Have the Black Manuscript be a fake. The actual Black Manuscript is a lost tome.

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>>51458194
I mean the bolter shell would over penetrate Flak plating and rip through the Guardsman body to leave a clean exit wound on the other side. The shell would still probably destroy the internal organs and anything else in its path when it passes through the body but it wouldn't explode within the target. If the shell exploded prematurely before penetration, the target might get KO from the shockwave than actually get killed from shrapnel. At least in this AU the Flak Armor is made to be the apex of light anti-shrapnel armor, so that means unless a grenade exploded in their face the worst damage a Guardsman might face is some minor cuts. Artillery indirectly hitting Guardsmen might allow them to not get wounded but would still turn their organs into jelly from the shockwave. The biggest threat to Flak Armor is the lethal shockwaves from explosions and landmines. Flak Armor does jackshit in protecting a Guardsman from getting their legs blown off.

>>51458680
I mean, I think it was put somewhere (or at least fanon) that flak armour is pretty damn good by modern standards, certainly on par with the likes of ESAPI - it's just the fact that 40k powerlevels are so absurd that it's wet cardboard by comparison

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>>51458578

Good point. If the Steward found out there was a copy of the Black Manuscript floating around he would have flipped his lid. And given that there were only about a dozen people who would have had access to it, and Lorgar himself declared it heretical, Oscar would have a very short list of people to question as to how it got out. Especially since the most credible rumors have Magnus being the one to save a copy for historical posterity. I would not want to be Magnus in that scenario.

And it's not like it would have been too hard for someone to independently come up with the idea that the Steward was a deity. People were apparently doing that enough beforehand that the Steward had to tell them to stop. The issue with the Black Manuscript is that it was Lorgar, one of the Steward's primarchs, who was saying this, which would have seemed to carry some measure of authority (not to mention piss the Prometheans, Eldar, etc. off).

I can see the Steward taking the Church of the Seat Warmer thing as a good joke. He always seemed one for self-deprecating humor, as long as it didn't undermine his authority.

>>51458680
Also it's not ork-proof. But then few things in the universe are.

>>51458825
So long as they see him as a prophet or a saint or a paragon or some shit Oscar tolerates.

The moment they see him as a deity he flips his lid.

Veneration he can live with, worship he can't.

>>51458482
Added

>>51458578
>>51458825
Alright, but I think I'll keep their holy book as being very uncomfortably close to the Black Manuscript. Someone getting their hands on Logars draft notes, maybe?

>>51458936
That's why most Imperial Cults are in a sticky situation. And sometimes they slip up and reveal that all the other stuff was just a smoke screen for worshiping Oscar.

Quick question about the Templar Movement. It was mentioned waaaay back in like thread 3 that the Templars in this timeline were the result of a reformation movement started by Typhon the Pilgrim to make a slightly more family-friendly version of the Death Guard as opposed to the “meat grinder” approach of Mortarion. It was also suggested that all of the chapters with “Templar” in their name are either descendants of the Black Templars or successor chapters of other legions that follow their ideals. However, even though the Templars there were listed as an offshoot of the Death Guard, it is mentioned elsewhere the Death Guard are still doing the exact same thing as the Templars, that is constantly marching to war as a near-legion.

In this case, does it make more sense that in this AU, the Death Guard simply renamed themselves the Black Templars after Mortarion’s death? Or is there some kind of ideological split between the Death Guard and Black Templars? Or are the Death Guard (and maybe Dusk Raiders) just the one bunch of Templars that don’t have “Templar” in their name?

Ironically, the Templars being “ALL CRUSADE, ALL THE TIME” and “NO PSYKERS ALLOWED” does sound more like something Mortarion would do if you didn’t know they were actually Imperial Fists in vanilla.

>>51459080
That would be a very good reason for Oscar to be much more concerned about this book than normal. It's one thing to see yet another author screw up and suggest that Oscar is a god and have to gently be told no. It's another when what you thought was a long-buried skeleton from your past seems to be clawing its way back to the present. The holy book was clearly not the Black Manuscript, but it was close enough to make everyone worried.

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What was that common refrain that has been repeated for the last few threads or so? Oh, right.
>More Bugs

The Swarmlord was first sighted in 745.M41, during the Third Tyrannic War. At that time the Hive Fleet was referred to as Hive Fleet Jormundgandr, though it has since been recognized in retrospect that this force was merely the immediate herald of the main Hive Fleet itself. Although the Imperium had not been prepared for the appearance of Hive Fleets Behemoth, Kraken, and Leviathan, this time they had a strategy in mind. The idea was to direct and funnel the movements of the tyranid hive fleet, hoping to break the brunt of the swarm against the most fortified world in its path. Unfortunately, the nearest world that fit that description was Macragge, capital of Ultramar and homeworld of the Ultramarines. Eldar aspect warriors and bonesingers, Earth Caste engineers, and the Ultramarines themselves did everything in their power to turn Ultramar into a veritable fortress, hoping to turn the tyranid’s own strategy of attrition against them. After Hive Fleets Kraken, Behemoth, and Leviathan, the Imperium believed they knew everything the tyranids could throw at them.

Then the Swarmlord showed up.

Within hours of its arrival the tyranids went from a disorganized horde of extragalactic locusts to organized soldiers of nearly human cunning. Worse yet, despite this increase in intelligence, they seemed to lack any of the survival instinct typical of a being of that level of sentience, acting more like the appendages of a single being than separate organisms.

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>>51459863
Marneus Calgar thought he could take the Ultramarines First Company, decapitate the head of the beast, and the tyranids would go back to being disorganized, if fearsome, beasts. Right up until the point where the Swarmlord hacked off all four of his limbs and beat the Ultramarines' Chapter Master into a coma. The only reason that Marneus Calgar even managed to survive his encounter is due to the heroic sacrifice of Aloysius and the remainder of the First Company and Second Company Captain Cato Sicarius managing to drag the Chapter Master's prone body away from the huge tyranid. The Swarmlord was eventually killed, but only by being shot. Several times. With a Baneblade. To this day, Marneus Calgar remains in a medically induced coma, and the Ultramarines fear for his health. In Calgar's absence the Ultramarines have been led by Tribune Titus, who was unanimously elected to lead the chapter by the captains of the nine remaining companies until such time as Calgar can return to duty.

Since the Battle of Macragge, the Swarmlord has been sighted a precious few times around the galaxy, and each time the Imperium has learned precious new information about this dangerous foe. Although the Imperium first believed the Swarmlord to be nothing more than an overgrown Hive Tyrant, in truth the Swarmlord is something much worse. Much like how Macha is the mortal avatar of Isha and the Nightbringer and Void Dragon have become avatars of themselves, the Swarmlord is essentially a physical avatar of the tyranid Hive Mind.

>>51459863
>>51459883

The Swarmlord only ever appears when the tyranids encounter a significant barrier to their expansion, necessitating the direct attention of the Hive Mind itself to circumvent the problem. Creating a Swarmlord is not without its risks, as it requires a not-insignificant amount of synaptic resources that could be devoted to other tyranid lifeforms, and if the Swarmlord is killed the psychic backlash can actually harm the Hive Mind itself. Nevertheless, the costs of a Swarmlord are more than outweighed by its benefits, as the presence of the Swarmlord exponentially increases the efficiency and tactical adaptability of any tyranid lifeforms on any battlefield it sets foot on. Despite representing a significant cost, the tyranid Hive Mind is large and fractious enough This was at first only theorized by the Ordo Xenos, but later confirmed by three simultaneous sightings of the Swarmlord on three totally independent battlefields later in M41.

As of late M41, the main tyranid hive fleet has arrived and is besieging the eastern rim of the galaxy on multiple fronts. It is said that the visage of the Swarmlord has been spotted on the front lines.

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>>51459180
>from old thread
With the Templars and the whole of Mortarian and his Legion and associates not admitting that the Great Crusade is over and continuing to push on

It could be that all the chapters with Templar in the name are in fact part of the same organization, all descended from the Legionaries of the Death Guard that wouldn't stop even after Mortarian died at the conclusion of the Macharian Crusade. Which presumably happened quite a bit earlier in this iteration

The Templars were a reformation movement started by Calas "The Pilgrim" Typhon of Barbarus with the breakaway sect known as The Black Templars. His dream was to eventually have all Astartes following his example. It's kind of the other side of the coin to Guilliman's reforms suggested in the Codex Astartes or Vulkan's in The Tome of Fire.

They form the core of the Templar movement. Estimated numbers of them alone by 999M41 is at ~6,000. Their peak was reputedly 12,000

Other Chapters and Legions have joined the movement over the span of Imperial history, not all of them associated with the Death Guard or the Dusk Raiders. Basically if the Chapter's name ends in Templar it's part of the movement. When counted alongside the Black Templars the movements numbers are estimated to be in the tens of thousands of astartes alone.

Thats a shit load of space marines and rivals some of the smaller Legions of the Great Crusade. If they could actually get together and go after a single objective they would be a force to be reckoned with. Sadly that will never happen as they are spread across the length and breadth of the Imperium.

The Sororitas Templars and Fraternis Templars are the collective names of the Imperial Army Regiments incorporated into the Templar movement.

One of the oddities of the movement is the strict belief that psykers have no place on the battle field despite first High Marshal Typhon being a psyker. By Typhon's own admission he would not have recruited himself into the Astartes.

>>51459863
>>51459883
>>51459897

Tried to up the power of the Swarmlord to give the tyranids more of an edge given their position in the universe (i.e., still pants-shittingly terrifying despite higher competence). Here, when you look into the eyes of the Swarmlord, it is the hatred of the Hive Mind that looks back.

Calgar actually gave as good as he got, he disarmed the Swarmlord of its boneswords and thought he had the advantage. He just didn’t expect the Swarmlord to try to beat him to death.

I know we have the hive fleets arriving in M36 but I couldn't really get things to work without the hive fleets being a bit staggered before 999.M41. It seems a bit wonky for the Ultramarines to have their Chapter Master in a coma for four millennia and not just say "screw it, we need to elect a new Chapter Master" as well as the tyranids showing some of their trump cards millennia before the hive fleet reaches the galaxy.

It also gives a bit more character to the modern Ultramarines. This way, the Ultramarines aren't just the rather bland Romanesque chapter. Here, they're also the chapter that is currently undergoing a bit of a leadership crisis, given their Chapter Master is out of commission and the tyranids are at their doorstep.

This should fit in well with what we have since the Imperium’s retaliation on Dorhai for the failed assassination on Jubblowski got derailed by the battle of Ultramar, which would mean it would have to happen in the last ~400 years or so.

Titus and Sicarius are both placeholders. We can change them around as need be. I picked Sicarius because he sounds like the only guy who could get close enough to save Calgar from being turned into hamburger by the Swarmlord and live to tell the tale. Titus because he’s seen as level-headed, and because TTS aside, Sicarius seems like he wouldn’t like to be Chapter Master in the first place because it would mean he doesn’t get to stab things as much anymore.

>>51459937
Exactly. My question was should we leave the Templars as a break away, do the Death Guard just change their name to Black Templars since they are using the same methods, or has the Death Guard been influenced by its daughter chapter, since they appear to be using the same tactics.

>>51459953
Keeping it the way it is would be best, methinks - although I'm biased against Sicarius purely because of how he turns into a massive shit in the 50k Nightmare of Things to Come although TTS is a perfectly valid reason, too

>>51459953
Venerable Dreadnought Calgar and Chapter Master Titus? Sign me up.

One overall plot hole for the setting that's been mentioned is what Emps is up to during these crises. You would think if there's an extreme threat to the Imperium in the form of a hive fleet, he would take a break from administrative work to help kill bugs with his godlike power.

>>51459979
It would seem that the soldiers following The Pilgrim were a break away faction that split off due to ideological differences.

The original Death Guard may have later adopted some of Typhon's ideas once Mortarion died and couldn't keep objecting out of stubbornness.

Also I think we can ditch the inclusion of the Fraternis and Sororitas from the ranks of the Templar movement now.

>>51460033
The thing is, his godlike power isn't exactly that godlike. He's not powered by shaman suicides, and although a stronk psyker, I think it was said in an earlier thread that the Isha raid was basically the upper bound of his Warp power. Oscar's strength is keikakus, mostly - he was probably directing the overall funelling of Jormundgandr towards Ultramar, while also putting down Chaos cult bushfires and a few minor WAAAAAGHs as well.

>>51460033
Could be tricky.

It was mentioned in a previous thread that the Emperor's personal power level amounts to a Grey Knight Brotherhood (~150 Knights) would pose him a serious mortal danger.

So if he jumps onto the front lines and gets Zerg Rushed by enough high performance hyper-bugs it could theoretically kill him.

If Emperor dies no more Astropaths, to say nothing of a succession crisis.

And, and here is the OH GOD NO! possibility, the 'Nids will have access to Man of Gold DNA.

MoG Tyrannids. Let that sink in for a moment.

All in all it's considered prudent for the Emperor to not do that.

>>51460096
>>51460107
Both of these. The Beast weakened by landfall, battle, and a massive fucking sword in his chest was still more than a match for Oscar - the Swarmlord'd make fairly short work of him. Not only is it more prudent to keep him safe behind the front lines, he's also more useful there, too.

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>>51460463
Pretty sure Oscar could solo the Swarmlord.

It's Swarmlord's twelve billion friends.

The Beast was the pinnacle of what was possible for an Ork to be in that era and then further buffed by Chaos into something hilariously OP. Had The Beast been daisy fresh and in prime fighting shape The Steward and Eldrad would more than likely be dead.

>>51460463
I don't know about that, canon Beast is the same tier as canon primarchs since Vulkan is unable to beat him, and since in our WotB the Beast is supercharged by Chaos this means he'd probably be around Chaos Horus levels of power. So Emps is still probably more than a match for the Swarmlord, who can go down to normal SMs, though I do agree with the others in that Oscar has been nerfed in comparison to canon Big E.

Someone add the pantheon to the wiki

>>51460048
I think the Templar Fraternis and Sororitas are just supposed to be the names for the unaugmented followers of the Templar. Much like the Raven Guard, the Templars appear to like to use normal men and women to supplement Astartes in their actions. Maybe use a different name in case the confusion with the SoBs is too much of an issue.

>>51460096
>>51460107
>>51460463
>>51460524
>>51460550

Keep in mind too, Big E has been getting more powerful ever since he started sitting on the Golden Throne. All the belief in the Imperium as an institution that had been previously thrown around in different directions due to some people swearing allegiance to him and other swearing allegiance to the Golden Throne is now going directly to him now that Oscar has essentially reconciled the two by being the head the Imperium itself.

Although Oscar is nowhere near the power level of the vanilla M41 Emperor with 10,000 years of worship and sacrifices, it could be that he's reaching a level close to if not past what vanilla Emperor was capable of during the Great Crusade.

Think Hercules from Greek mythology. Depending on where you stood (and the myth itself), Hercules was either the greatest of mortals capable of taking on some god-like beings (Gigantomachy) or a very weak god. However, unlike Hercules, who was one then the other, Oscar is both of these at the same time. The Men of Gold were the closest thing DaoT humanity ever made to warp gods, after all.

>>51460835 (cont.)

See this (>>51460798) brings up something else I had debated whether to point out. I had debated whether to divide the "notable persons" section into "Gods and God-like Beings" and "Mortals". The problem is that one could easily make an argument for Oscar falling into either category. In terms of the "mortal to warp entity" spectrum, things seem to look kind of like this:

Completely Mortal - Normal human/Eldar
More mortal than god - Eldrad (basically mortal with extra juice)
Right in the middle - Oscar
More god than mortal - Nightbringer and Void Dragon (have a physical form and are more "here" than in the Immaterium)
Completely warp entity - Chaos Gods, Cegorach

>>51460033
>Venerable Dreadnought Calgar and Chapter Master Titus? Sign me up.

It's a little more complicated than that. The Ultramarines would love to put Calgar in a dreadnought, but since the problem with Calgar is partly in his brain you go from having a space marine in a coma to having a dreadnought in a coma. The Ultramarines would love to put him in a dreadnought, but they don't know if he'll wake up. But of course he will because Rule of Drama. Also because rematch between Calgar and the Swarmlord.

The other issue is that Titus is technically not the official Chapter Master. He's just the elected representative acting in the name of Calgar while Calgar is incapacitated. This means he's getting a bit of flack from other chapters for not being a "real" Chapter Master and from the other captains going "fuck you, you're just a captain like me, you're not my real Chapter Master". Much like the regular Romans, the Ultramarines have a succession crisis brewing.

SO I had an idea that revolves around slightly modifying the fluff for the Tau FTL drive.
according to 1d4chan, the new fluff for their drive doesn't touch the warp at all, acting more like star trek's warp drive. Nothing else backs that up though, but I'll go with the 1d4chan fluff because it offers up a lot more possibilities.
>Late M38, Tech-priest manages to grab the knowledge needed for the Tau grav-drive. Research begins.
>Another Tech-priest discovers the grav-drive matches up with the fragments of 6 ancient research journals she discovered in her youth. Research goes even faster
>Research really drives home the point that the Warp does not always match real-space
>Setbacks occur when an ill-fated test team discover that just having the drive at standby in the Warp will attract daemons to the point of making Gellar failure a certainty.
> Early M39, the new and improved Grav Drive is unveiled. The standard form takes a minimum of 500 cubic meters for the drive, dedicated powerplant, and capacitors; scaling up as 30% of ship volume, and 1/4 as fast as Warp Drive. Only issue, it can run for only 7 days before needing a recharge
I might as well look at the numbers though, which are truly insane and really don't match with the other fluff.
According to a few sources, the Imperium can manage between 100,000C and 300,000C or "Fuck you I've gone Plaid", depending on how weasel wordy GW gets. This really does not match with of the general impressions that I get, which can have it take a few years to go from one end to the other. So new numbers time!
The Astronomicon, in canon, can be seen from about 70,000LY away. This gives us some distance for perspective. I assume that we're keeping the same distance, as we've downtraded the amount of psykers needed to run the damn thing (If we could get a primitive Pharos network up and running...).
(continued next post)

>>51460835
>>51460918
I wouldn't big up Oscar too much, we don't want him to become too much like Vanilla.

I would have him put in the "mostly mortal" camp although still more directly powerful than Eldrad.

Right in the Middle would be Macha who is half as real as she is unreal. It's just that her aspects are all bout healing and not so much conflict so it's not immediately obvious what she is.

Also I'm adding the pics to the 1d4chan page. Horus one didn't turn out as neat as I would have wanted but is close enough.

>>51461051
The Tau's gravdrive is just them skimming into the Warp, similar to mankind's early expansion before they created the navigator gene. It's the nids' bending of space to travel at effective FTL which is analagous to Trek's Warp Drive

>>51461051
(Cont) So say I want a 2 year journey between the two most distant points - big enough to keep forces from dashing around the galaxy, and keep it a big place; small enough to credibly maintain some semblance of control (it also makes Sector Governors a pretty big deal). So our best warp speed is now 70,000C. A bit over 191C per day. All numbers are realspace BTW, I'm treating the Warp as more time dilation than anything (12 days realspace, approx. 1 day warpspace)
Which also doesn't match up with GW's early numbers stating that a 100LY jump took 3-21 days realspace, and that a 5000LY jump took 5-36 months. Not that GW doesn't disagree with itself later. But afaic, my numbers sound more reasonable.
Keep in mind, this is best speed. Proper currents, no incidents, plenty of supplies, and no warp fuckery. Actual travel time varies between best speed x1 and x5 (so a end to end sprint could take 2-10 years depending on conditions).
So my Tau Drive goes 47.95LY (rounded up) per day, or about 335.61LY per maximum trip (7 days). No warp fuckery happens, making this a very consitent method of travel.
A few possible advantages
>Cheap. All costs considered, the Imperium can build choose to build either 1 warp ship, or 5 tau drive ships of equal size.
>Simple (compared to warp drive and all it's attendant needs). Most worlds of the Imperium can build these on their own.
If we take those advantages, we get a pretty different picture of space travel for the average citizen: a lot more common. Warp travel is needed to keep the Imperium together, but with Tau Drive... We get a Chain and Cluster system. Basically, most worlds are joined together by chains of warp currents, marking the major arteries of fast trade at Hub Systems. Hub Systems then have a Cluster of other systems joined together by a 15 day round trip by Tau Drive. Most of the time, it's a bit redundant as the warp still offers faster travel between those systems. (Cont)

>>51461325
So more like "classical" (what the modern person thinks of) Hercules rather than later Greco-Roman Hercules then. Mostly mortal but with enough power to flatten just about any daemon dumb enough to take him on (which makes sense given that we have Sangy winning against greater daemons and Oscar is more powerful than him), though he's not strong enough to take on one, let alone all four, of the Ruinous Powers by himself. Only people in his weight class include things like Lady Malys, Swarmlord, Be'lakor, and the like.

>>51461051
>>51461407

We have to be careful about giving the Imperium too much here. If the Tau/AdMech are able to create an FTL device that completely cuts out the need for the Warp, it's basically the equivalent of a successful human Webway in vanilla.

Also, should we give the Necrons back their FTL? It makes sense given we're boosting the threat levels of the other major powers, but at the same time it means that the Imperium could get their hands on it when the eccentric minor lords defect.

Maybe Necron FTL was designed with mechanical lifeforms (and biological lifeforms in tesseracts) in mind, and doesn't work well on biological lifeforms unless you don't mind the passengers being turned into a smear by the end of the journey. In theory, you could retrofit a Necron FTL engine to work on flesh-bags, but it would take centuries that the Imperium doesn't have, and they can't find any Crypteks who would help.

>>51461624
But the advantages do show themselves when the warp currents work against you or when the warp doesn't match up with realspace.
For example, there is a chain of three systems that are a only a few days apart in the warp. The middle one is nowhere near the other two in realspace. Another example is two systems that are 6 months apart by warp travel, but right next door (only a few hours) by tau drive. The increased tactical flexibility (and increased internal trade) helps the Imperium.
As stated before, the only true issue is that having a Tau Drive at standby in the Warp will kill you in a matter of hours. Not only does it weaken the gellar field, it can lock you out of realspace. Putting both on a ship is asking for trouble beyond just the prohibitive space requirements to mix both.

>>51461407
I'm looking at fluffing it as a combination of just skimming the warp, and gravitational manipulation of local space-time. Just one or the other is pretty slow. Combining the two makes them faster.

>>51461781
In all honesty I would have the Necrons be the only ones with the capability of true FTL. But even then I would limit it to their biggest ships. Their smaller ships, if they haven't got a big ship to latch on to, have to use the webway.

Tau Grav-Drives skim the shallow end of the warp.

'Nids use the psychic nature of the Bioships to rip a hole in reality and the Shadow in the Warp effect to act as a gellar field.

>>51461781
I'm trying to figure out what I can throw at it to make it less useful - slow speed is the beginning, and it's useful for tying local clusters together, but big travel takes the warp.
So what can I do to make this very definitely a second-tier (strategically speaking) drive? Fuel requirements? Maintenance overhauls? Longer recharge? I kind of want to keep the idea of a cheap and easy limited space drive that allows for a secondary civilian trade network.

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A scale of Real --> Unreal, not necessarily how powerful although their is often a correlation.

>100% Mortal
Basic plebs of all shapes and sizes, the teeming bustling quadrillions of Imperial Citizens, 99+% of orks, 99+% of Dark Eldar and most of the followers of Chaos.

>Mortal with a hint of the unreal
Sanguinor, Phoenix Lords, Aun'Va, Farsight, Legion of the Damned, Ahriman, Cypher (possibly)

>Mostly mortal but with a dollop of godliness
Oscar (high end of this scale), Eldrad (low end of it), Deceiver fragments, Vect, Brain Boyz, Mandrakes

>50/50
Macha, Nightbringer, Void Dragon, Ghazghkull, Erebus, Lady Malys

>Mostly god but with a foot in the real
Cegorach (high end), Deamon-princes

>Gods
Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle, Tzneetch, Malal (surprising to many), Gork, Mork, Cegorach (Just to piss Tzneetch and Slaanesh off)

>>51461887
Slow. Slooooooow. Real fuckin' slow.
But predictable.

Hence, all of a sudden the IG's supply issues suddenly got a whole lot easier.

>>51462087
Or go one step further and have it as slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

Sub-light it might take you 40 years to get to the next star.

With the shitty Tau drive it will take you maybe 3 or 4.

It skims the shallows of the warp, thus comparatively safe but holy shit is it nearly useless from any military use.

Mostly civilian transport. If you don't mind getting packed away in a cryo-crate and loaded onto the ship with a hundreds of thousands of other plebs and if you don't mind skipping a few years it's an affordable way to travel.

So it provides some level of interplanetary travel to the peasantry but doesn't make the military OP.

>>51462071
And the Beast?
What about Ghazghkull, since he's supposed to be the closest thing to the Beast since the Beast?

>>51462283
Gazzy is in the 50/50 patch.

The Beast would have been in the Mostly god category buy virtue of how much warp dust he was snorting.

Gazzy is not The Beast yet, but he is growing and with a Brain Boy sitting on one of his shoulder like a cheeky cockney parrot he might surpass The Beast in terms of cunning.

>>51462087
So drop it from 1/4 best speed to 1/4th half-best?
That puts it about 112C per week. A bit over 12 years to go from the end to the middle.
Here's a brief table, going from best speed to 1/5th best speed, per week. Warp Numbers are in parentheses
1/1: 335C (1,346C)
1/2: 168C (673C)
1/3: 112C (448C)
1/4: 84C (336C)
1/5: 67C (269C)
Tau Drive numbers are run as 1/4th of the time multiplier/speed divisor of warp travel.
Personally, I prefer 1/2 to 1/3, since that makes it have a reasonable impact on the Imperium scale. And the table really shows the speed difference, since Warp Travel varies between 1/1 and 1/5 depending on conditions, and the Tau Drive keeps a consistent speed.

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>>51461887
>>51462087
>>51462168

Not any of these guys, but that's kind of what I was thinking too. Ridiculously slow compared to what you can achieve with Warp Drives, but reliable. You can actually say "I'll be there in X weeks" rather than "I'll be there whenever Tzeentch decides we'll get there."

This isn't much help for when you want to move troops around fast, especially if you have to move across long distances of space as in canon it has a cool-down time, but it's a godsend for civilians or cargo haulers trying to travel between, say, the worlds of Ultramar or the Tau Empire.

I think canon is that Tau warp drives are like 1/5 to 1/3 (the latter might be a recent upping of the numbers) the speed of "average" Imperial Warp Drives.

Like the Necron inertialess drives, it's possible that the Tau drive could be improved to the point that Warp travel is less necessary, but it's 999.M41 and there are bigger things to worry about. It's likely the Imperium is going to have a lot of technological upheaval if it survives the Oncoming Storm but the big question is "if".

>>51462071
I would say Vect is more mortal with a hint of the unreal than anything else. Ghazghull and Erebus might also be lower (unless you're talking about Ghazzy on Gork and Mork juice, in which case he's probably good where he is).

>>51462386
>speed divisor of warp travel
Warp travel is not consistent in any way, shape of form, anon. You could pop out at your destination with an average speed of 84,950.34c, or with one of 0.012c. Or there could've been time fuckery, too. There's no use in comparing them and I have no idea about what you mean with capital Cs - if you're measuring in the speed of light, how the mcfuck can you have "112C per week"?

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>>51462452
If the Imperium survives

If it:
slays The Beast
defeats Chaos
fends off the Swarm
burns the Dark CIty
pacifies the Necrons

And survives the million other little niggling lesser threats then there will be fun times ahead. With the amount of shit collected, the friends made, the worlds held and the knowledge accumulate the Imperium will either tear itself apart because people can't cope with the change or it will be The Golden Age all over again but with more hard won wisdom. And this time everyone gets to come along for the ride.

The night is dark and full of monsters but the dawn is coming and it will be fucking glorious. The trick is surviving the monsters long enough for the sun to come up.

>>51462582
>The night is dark and full of monsters but the dawn is coming and it will be fucking glorious. The trick is surviving the monsters long enough for the sun to come up.
Yo, this needs to be in some quote wall somewhere. No idea who'd say it, though.

>>51462623
I would imagine that a farseer would say that.

Maybe Eldrad, maybe a different farseer as we can't keep attributing everything to him.

>>51462457
It's the general trend that's measured in terms of speed. And what I mean by speed is "How much realspace distance have we covered in this unit of time", not the velocity you have when you exit the warp. Of course it fucks everything over, but there's a general trend, and if the warp fuckery was too consistent the Imperium would've given up on warp travel.
What I mean by the C is the speed of light - which is measured in distance over time. 112C is basically one of the shorthands for either a multiple of the speed of light, or how many lightyears you can cover in a given unit of time. It's pretty confusing, and I should've remembered to doublecheck my notation.

>>51462691
Yeah, that's why I was confused. I''ve always know it as lowercase c for multiples of lightspeed - but either of the definitions you gave doesn't really work with 112c per week since it's already a speed; its like saying 60 miles per hour per hour

/my autism

>>51462623
Hell, that might as well be the tagline for the NobleDark Imperium.

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I've archived the thread

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=nobledark

Also linked archived thread to the 1d4chan page.

Have I done it right?

>>51462746
I'm an engineer, dirty notation doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother my autism either. Now a fucked up cable run, that bothers my autism enough for me to start swearing in childhood yiddish

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>>51462808
>misusing that filename

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>>51462168
>>51462452
4chan won't let me post my maths, so here's a pastebin
http://pastebin.com/n0uVfCNG
Long story short, it doesn't matter what we do, when we bring out the numbers they just drive home how fucking big the Imperium is.

>>51461051
>>51461624
>>51462168
>>51462386
>>51462452
>>51462457
>>51462691
>>51462746
>>51462858
>>51463375

>Come into the thread for nobledark
>All I see is maths

Now I know exactly how vanilla!Magnus felt. I'm kidding, go on

Also, speed of warp travel is probably like a bell curve. There are weird exceptions where you arrive a thousand years too late or a century too early, but most of the time you at least hit within the error bars of your estimated arrival time. Like sailing ships on the old days, only with "wrath of dark gods" added onto "storms" and "bad currents" as possibly means of delayment.

>>51463758
I originally came up with the idea for the Imperium doing an improved Tau Drive to help with a truly crazy idea for this project. Lemme write it up.

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Took a few shots at Isha, it's hard to come up with a good sister piece for the Oscar pic. Gonna do primarchs and notables for a while. Here's my crusade era Perturabo.

>>51464247
On the Warp’s edge of the galactic rim lies a system. Only a single and weak warp current leads there, and there are no other systems within easy reach. Yet what appears to have been a backwater was surprisingly important to the human empires from the Dark Age of Technology. Massive shipyard installations and transshipment warehouses, scarred from terrible fighting, are clustered around the systems gas giant and asteroid belt – the only things natural in the system. It feels dead and empty, and two things stand out about the system: The stars in the sky are different, and a truly massive construct floats in space, pointing to a system that should not be there.
Early Mechanicus expeditions focused on the shipyards and habitats, with only a few dedicated to the stars and the construct. What they found was surprising: the system was not in our galaxy, and the construct was a gate that once held a wormhole. No further research could be done on that situation until the Tau Drive came along. Rogue Trader Yanulf was the first to set up an expedition, being an early adopter of the technology. One jaunt to the system the Gate pointed at later, he confirmed that he was in a different galaxy. He named it Osha. Satisfied at the possibilities, he jumped into the warp to see where he was – and nearly died from the shock.

>>51464661
This was not the Warp he was expecting. The Materium was more separated from it, and it was rather quiet. A myriad network of beacons blazed in an omnipresent grey haze, the currents were gentle creeks compared to the mighty rivers that linked the Imperium, it felt like something was watching them, and there were no daemons. No daemons, no chaos, but ghosts were there. Oh, ghosts aplenty, the last remnants of murdered empires, Xenos and human alike. And they hungered, seeking a breach into bodies for a second chance at the life stolen from them.
He nearly lost 4 psykers, and 3 more did fall, to those feeders in the dark. And always a mass of presences, alien and powerful, watched with distinct disinterest.
Troubled, Yanulf went back to realspace, and searched for answers. He found only questions, and a troubling statement.
“The Angelnet is live. Long live the Masters of Orion.”
Besides the ruins of empires, and the burgeoning life returning from some sort of great cataclysm, nothing else remains.
Welcome to Dead End.

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So here's a compilation of just about everything we had on the Lion in thread 8. Little bit more ragged than Dorn because there was more back and forth. We should get this and Dorn up on 1d4chan so whoever decides to write them has a benchmark.

To summarize what it sounds like we have:

- Franj and the Nordyc fought a war in the previous generation, led to bad blood between two nations
- Lion grows up idolizing Luther, who is either a late stage Thunder Warrior or Mark I/II Astartes
- Luther isn't too happy about Franj joining the Imperium, as he sees it as the death of Franj as an independent nation
- Lion, on the other hand, despite not "getting" people, is an idealist knight in shining armor who always does the right thing, which makes him extremely popular in the Imperium
- Because of this, Lion gets named primarch, which pisses off Luther even more.
- Being the largest legion, Dark Angels are the ones who get sent off as a vanguard to scout out nearby space. Luther likes the idea of human unification but doesn't like the idea of the Imperium having its way with Franj when he's not around.
- Lion recruited the majority of his legion from his home country because he needed people he could trust. Much of legion is loyal, but not to him. Erebus convinces Luther to get 2/3-3/4 of Dark Angels to go rogue during WotB, causes shenanigans.
- Lion becomes obsessed with tracking down Fallen and fixing things, breaks up DAs into orders even before Codex
- Luther and Lion have fateful duel, Luther escapes due to Chaos shenanigans, Lion gets knocked into a coma.

>>51464604
he looks like a man that would really prefer to kill his opponents with a tesla coil, but he's resigned to doing it himself with a wrench.

>>51464840
Then its perfect. Also should Swarmlord be mirrored on 1d4chan?

Started adding religions to the notes page. I'm not putting the CSE and COL in there until I finish some more work on them, and get agreement from other people.

Xenos classifications added to the misc. notes section (between timeline and archives)

>>51462807
>>51462648
>>51462623
>The night is dark and full of monsters but the dawn is coming and it will be fucking glorious. The trick is surviving the monsters long enough for the sun to come up.
-Srg. Marcus ,

>>51466578
*-Srg. Marcus Albus, Mustavaar 3rd Rifles Regiment, 845.M40

So I've updated my writing on the CSE and COL, and rather than dump it here, I've got a pastebin for people to check over.
http://pastebin.com/4xPXa4Xr
The primary change is the last paragraph, so I'll put it here
Additional scrutiny was focused on the COL leadership in M37, when a group calling themselves the Sororitas Solamen – an female force with a suspicious amount of legally owned weaponry, and plenty of homemade illegal weaponry – dropped into an active Ork/Chaos/Imperium warzone on Ioturn III to provide disaster relief. Not only a military force (claimed to be a separate volunteer militia), they brought builders, healers, engineers, “procurers”, and the administrators to keep them focused: everything needed for disaster relief, and the firepower to take it wherever they wanted. They also brought the COL’s Litanae Divinum, using it to great effect against the Chaos forces that swept through the rearguard and refugee camps. Most citizens of the planet credited them with saving everything from their economy to lost pets, and to this day Ioturn III is a stronghold of the faith, leading the Ordo Hereticus to basically give up on it. They claimed to have a simple mission: Emulate The Emperor and dedicate their lives to the Imperium.

>>51464737
Summery copy/pasted.

Would have done more but dirty phone posting peasant.

>>51464737
Mostly good, but I still feel the Dark Angels being the biggest Legion is weird and not all that justified. They would be drawing from the same Europa-Franj recruitment pool as the Ultramarines, and their specialty was never scale or logistics like the Ultramarines, so why are they the biggest legion?

>>51469827
Maybe by GC era Guilliman was recruiting internationally and allowing Lion the pick from the bold country.

>>51459953
Swarmlord turning up as the immediate prelude to the Galaxy Eater Hive Fleet sounds sweet as fuck. Also Swarmlord is now badass.

Like holy shit so badass. He should be on this chart
>>51462071
I suggest in the 50/50 range.

>>51447741
That pic.

That pic is definitely how I imagine Miriana Cain, daughter of Revered Mother Jubbloski and Ambassador Ciaphas Cain, Abbess-Commander of the Word Bearers

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>>51462071
Cain, LIIVI, Taldeer, Creed, Gaunt, all 100% mortal right?

>>51471309
>Miriana Cain

Misread that as Miriam. WE MUST DISSENT

>>51471605
Yes. 100% mortal.

>We must dissent

How have I not got that until now?

>>51462808
That pic is probably a contributing factor in why the Men of Iron went insane and rebellious.

>>51471309
Swarmlord is basically physical avatar of Hive Mind made flesh, so that sounds like where he'd go.

>>51470533
Maybe the Guilliman was actually helping the Dark Angels boost their numbers, since they were supposed to go out first as an expeditionary force. From there it just kind of snowballed from recruiting on other worlds.

Or the International explanation. Now that Horus isn't scooping up the best Space Marines it could be Guilliman who's thinking long term, recruiting from all over the place while the Lion sticks to Franj-Europia. Or just big chunks of Franj's military went into the Astartes, which Luther might see as another way the Imperium had gutted Franj.

>>51472728
It could be a combination of factors.

King Gunthar Fouché, son of Guilliman and Queen Yolande Fouché, could have been one of the first after the Yndonesic Bloc to officially turn over all military production and funding to the Imperium.

His reasoning being that there is literally nobody left on Earth to go to war with.

This combined with the relatively healthy population, in terms of both numbers and health, and the high standard of military education results in there being a disproportionate number of Space Marines coming from Franj-Europia and also a surprising number of Space Marine officers.

When the Primarchs get appointed and the expeditionary forces divided into Legions after the Unification 1st Legion already has a good and classy recruitment base.

Fast forward to the end of the Sol Unification and 1st Legion is bigger, better trained, has suffered less casualties and recover quickly from any losses sustained.

Because of this they were first out of the door in freshly minted interstellar ships (with some of Horus' cartographers along for the ride because he owned all the maps).

1st Legion is 2nd to start recruiting from outside of Sol, after Russ, and although this does dilute the number of Franj-Europia Space Marines it still remains the case that most of the officers are from Franj.

Due to the fact that the first people they ran into once out of Sol were orks swiftly followed by early Dark Eldar and not long later Nephilim they developed strong xenophobic tendencies. They were not in favour of The Steward being on good terms with the Craftworlders. As far as Luther and to an extent Lion (and early on Vulkan) was concerned an eldar was an elder and they had seen what eldar did to people.

All this hate and resentment festered until the tipping point in WotB when they tried to use the attacking forces to knock it all over so they could start again properly from day 1.

Didn't work out so well for them.

>>51464604
Nice pic.

Will add it to wiki page soon.

Bump.

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>>51472105
>>51471605
We need more mortals.

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So looking back through the previous threads it appears that Fenris isn't a shithole populated by illiterate retards.

It's a mildly less shitty hole populated by grizzled, bad tempered tribals.

Also that Fenris provides a guard tithe because Russ never ordered them to exist in a state of constant inter-tribal war "to keep the people strong". Instead they direct their considerable ire outwards and go fuck up some orks.

According to official fluff the only stable area of Fenris is the continent of Asaheim that is mostly taken up by the northern polar ice sheet except for the coastal areas that are only covered by snow in winter. It is also said that The Fang is located on the highest peak on the continent at or close to the northern pole.

I propose that, in this AU, Fenris is an agri-death world with 1 fortified hive city.

The Fang is, or really was, the name of the mountain that the fortress was origionally built on because Russ had a limited imagination. Fang Mountain no longer really exists as it has been built on, under and hollowed out to the point that it can no longer be considered a natural formation so much as a fortified Hive. It was not, despite many claims to the contrary one of Perturabo's designs although it may have been influenced in the later stages of it's formation.

The Fang is sparsely populated for a hive as it's main job is to serve the Chapter as a storage house, habitation between missions, training ground, hospital and general headquarters. In times when Fenris itself comes under direct assault the empty space can be used to house most if not all of the native population.

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>>51479232
The population of Fenris is primarily one of farmer-soldiers. Only married full citizen men are allowed to own land and you aren't allowed citizenship or the right to marriage until you do a tour in the Imperial Army or do at least ten years serving the Chapter or the PDF. Women are given full citizen status on either ten years service to the Chapter or upon marriage, which ever happens first.

That's how it is supposed to happen according to the laws laid down by Russ. But Russ has been gone a long time and out in the further reaches it gets a bit lax.

The land of Fenris is pretty shitty and dangerous by any civilized standards. The only part of Fenris that is geologically stable is Asaheim, most of which is a cold icy wasteland with a mile thick ice sheet covering it all year round. Further from the pole there is a belt of tundra that is slightly less useless, but not massively so. Further still there is enough direct sunlight for conifer and fir trees to grow. Tundra and grim forest are possible to live in on a subsistence level, just about. Further still is a thin layer of not shit land that it is possible to grow more than enough for mere survival on. The surplus is taken by the Fang for the War Effort.

Far from Asaheim are the island nations where the climate is nicer, ranging to tropical at the equator, but the tectonic activity is more active. Life is less shit right up till the island volcanically explodes or sinks. Such is life on Fenris. These islands with the fertile volcanic soil do provide substantially more food but are less reliable and there is always the problem of transporting it.

The seas of Fenris are where the real good food is found. The underwater tectonic activity keeps churning up nutrients that keep the food chain going in the long elliptical orbit winters. If you don't like seafood, you will either be profoundly unhappy or you can starve. Kraken is the largest thing in the oceans and is edible. It tastes oddly avian.

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>>51479492

>ISHA LIKES TO TAKE IT UP THE ASS!!!

It's all I've to say.

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>>51478364
possibilities for noteworthy mortals in the current day imperium
>current high lords of terra and their exploits prior to gaining their position
>an up and coming notable for every craftworld
>current premier chapter masters
>examples of necron vampires in the imperium
>notable planetary governors on Isha and Oscar's imperial grand tour

Another option
>where have canon/fanon characters ended up in their new capacities in the unified imperium's revised commissariat, inquisition, and sororitas
Is it a fair assumption that our equivalent of cultist-chan is a pre-fall eldar that's been enjoying the eye too much to notice the empire fell?

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>>51479919
This exact thing was, oddly, covered in an early thread.

The conclusion was that no she doesn't.

Her tastes were described as extremely dull but with great enthusiasm.

Sex is part of her aspect as a deity, alongside healing, because it is linked to fertility. For her it is a religious observation albeit an enjoyable one.

>>51479919
After ten thousands years of marriage it's impossible for her to have mantained her anal virginity.

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>>51479919
Isha likes to take it in the puss, at all times, but little else. She is babycrazy and wed to the most tireless man (biomechanical super robot) in the galaxy, and intends to keep trying until she gets what she wants.

I have a cool idea for a drawing, how about a statue of Man and Eldar as equals, such statue would be placed in every public park in the Imperium.
To symbolize the alliance of the two species.

>>51479232
>>51479492

Shit. Was writing up some fluff for the Fenris colonies, which covered some similar things (mostly why Leman realized Fenris wouldn't work by itself and how the colony planets, though resource-poor, are paradise worlds compared to Fenris). Will try to post what I have later tonight so we can brainstorm something.

>>51480073
What do you think the Aquila is in this timeline, anon? Can't be Earth and Mars because the Void Born joined as a third party.

>>51480111
>nice trips

Do we have any representation of this new Aquila?

Also the statues could also be a secondary propaganda piece.

>hey guys, the 40k setting isn't at all like how I want my setting to be
>I know, rather than making a new setting entirely, or using a different setting, we'll twist this one to suit our needs.

Are 40k fans legitimately incapable of enjoying something if it isn't 40k?

>>51480234
for me atleast.

It's a horrid exustance.

More random ideas (fear me!)
Sanguinius and the Red Thirst: during the crusades, Sanguinius and his legion were assigned to Baal, a radioactive hellhole tormented by a hideous plague; The Blood Hunger. Those afflicted thirsted for blood as their body burned through theirs to mediate a connection to some power (it might be the warp. It might be more horrible, it might be less), driven to blackout rages in their terrible needs.
This disease laid Sanguinius low for a full week as his augmented body and psychic powers worked to save him.
On the sunset of the seventh day, he arose and began distilling a defense from his blood. A weakened form that could still overwhelm an ordinary person, it still defended his marines from the full plague. And the form distilled from them acted as an antidote to the plague in them early stages, leaving no effects on the recipient, and weakening its grip in later ones.
Sanguinius still struggled to keep his Red Thirst and Black Rage in check until the day he died.
To this day, the Blood priests (and priestesses when an entire AS convent was infected with the original form) perform the final ritual of becoming a Blood Angel: deliberate infection before being given the antidote. Several psykers are always on hand, watching for signs of chaos by order of the Steward. What worries them is that they never find any.
In its original form, the Blood Hunger tripled the victims capabilities, and granted them several near-miraculous powers - if they didnt die from blood loss in the first three days as they couldn't turn the powers off.
The form the Blood Angels have trades a lot of power for the ability to turn them off. A 50% increase in ground speed and hand-eye coordination, occasional flashes of prophecy, and a subconscious gestalt mind formed of dead blood angels. Their institutional knowledge is in their blood, forming a deep connection to the past.

>>51480091
Was it you that put the stuff on the 1d4chan page about the Fenrisian Colonies?

If you are posting later tonight I will probably not answer. It's approaching midnight here and I have work tomorrow. Aren't time-zones a bitch. But I will read at nearest opportunity.

>>51480393
We already have this in the Sanguinius story.

Baal was the name of the Duscht Jemanic noble family Sanguinius was "born" to.

The Black Rage is an oath taken by the elite Death Company.

I don't think the Red Thirst has been touched upon yet.

>>51480234
>hey guys, the 40k is pretty cool but we'd personally prefer a bit of a different angle on it
>reeeee unoriginal shits get out
Cry harder, DnDfag

>>51480393
(The Blood Angels also get a 50% increase in a third capability, but nobody knows what an individual will gain) all forms given the body the ability to effectively perform a blood transfusion via the digestive system, digesting it quickly over anything else.
The weakened form created by the antidote maxes out at 25% to two to three capabilities, and maybe a mental power. It is most often spread by accident to Blood Angel auxiliaries, although a few have been known to "upgrade" the occasional squad of guardsmen.
It still creates a thirst for blood and a tendency to forget tactics in favor of charging the enemy.
Deliberate infection, within the exception of members of the Blood Angels and their successor chapters, is severely illegal. Nobody still knows how the disease works, and they don't want to risk it being something even half as bad as Chaos.

>>51480515
Right, more clarifying statements in the next draft of the idea.
Oscar thought it would funny tomassign Sanguinius Baal to the the planet recovered databases had listed as Baal. I could come up with a different name for this Black Rage.

>>51480188
My first trips! I'm so proud!

Also
>the statues could also be a secondary propaganda piece

This is a great idea.

>>51480234
>>51480386
>>51480609

Don't worry everyone, it's just a shitposter. We get one of these about once a thread on average. It's how we know we're doing good. Heck, one of the working titles for these threads was "shitposting makes us stronger edition".

>>51481004
Yeah - I still have no idea why, but it ended up stirring up a lot of writefags into posting real good shit. So I guess we should be grateful ,right?

>>51480393
>>51480648
>>51480840
Gonna be honest, I'm sort of "meh" on the idea. It's not to say the Sangy fluff is sacrosanct, but when I wrote it I tried to reference the canon fluff in ways that retained their flavor but reinterpreted it for this universe. In that sense, I left out the Red Thirst since A) I personally find the whole grimdark spehss vampires aspect of the BAs to be pretty stupid, and B) geneseed is not derived from the Primarchs, removing the genetic transferability aspect.

I replaced the genetic bloodthirstiness aspect of the Red Thirst with an unrestrained hatred for traitors so that the BAs use RIP AND TEAR tactics against them, and the shameful secret that Sangy was trying to hide is instead the fact he is filled with self-doubt from his visions.

>>51481396
And I tried to interpret it a bit more directly, partially because I feel that there's a great possible story from grimdark vampires going noble. Helps reinforce the entire "defend the dying light" vibe this setting gives me.
Ideas for modifying it? Or should I just scrap it?

>>51479232
>>51479492
>>51480417

I'm the guy who posted the notes to 1d4chan, though unfortunately I cannot take claim for coming up with the Fenrisian colonies in the first place. I thought I'd just write up a codex entry for the notes since we had the information. It's about 99% compatible with what is written above.

Following the War of the Beast, the primarch Leman Russ ran into a problem. Although he had managed to stabilize the Canis Helix augmentation into a viable form for military use, he had only managed to do so for people with specific genetic markers from the planet of Fenris. Fenris was an ideal place to conduct secret black site military experiments, but it was a terrible place to try to build a civilization. There was very little arable land on the planet, meaning that most of the food on the planet had to come from the rather dangerous sea. What's more, the only place that infrastructure could be reliably built on the geologically unstably Fenris was on the relatively small continent of Asaheim, which housed both the Vlka Fenryka's main base of operations as well as the majority of the population of Fenris. As a result, if any enemy were to attack Fenris, they could easily cripple the Vlka Fenryka's ability to fight and recruit new troops in a single swoop.

>>51482449 (cont.)

If the fate of the Vlka Fenryka was to be tied to the people of Fenris, the solution, therefore, was make more Fenrises. If the galaxy could not come to Fenris, Russ would bring Fenris to the galaxy. Leman Russ broached this idea of creating Fenrisian colonies to the Steward, who despite his reluctance nevertheless agreed to the idea. The people of Fenris, for their part, were more than enthusiastic about spreading to new locales, if for no other reason than to get away from their Death World of a home. Initially there were but eight Fenris colonies, though that number has since grown to over twenty-three. For the most part, the Fenrisians chose cold, polar worlds, reminiscent of their former home. Most human and Eldar colonists had steered clear of these worlds due to their short growing season and unforgiving climate, but to the Fenrisians they were a veritable paradise. The growing season may have been short, but at least it was possible to grow food on these worlds, rather than relying on the unpredictable sea like on Fenris.
The population of the Fenrisian Colonies has since outstripped that of its parent world by several orders of magnitude, in part because none of the colony worlds are as hostile to human life as Fenris itself. Overall, New World Fenrisians are less wild and more ordered than Old World Fenrisians, though in a one-on-one fight a New Worlder will still lose to an Old Worlder nine times out of ten. Nevertheless, the people of the Fenrisian colonies still hold Fenris in high regard, both as a matter of cultural pride and to show how far they have come. Although the Fenrisian Colonies will bicker like brothers, all still follow the Old Ways, and although they may not listen to the King of Fenris they will listen to High Priest Ulfrik the Slayer, who in turn listens to the King of Fenris.

>>51482459
And adding this to Fenrisian line regiments…

Fenrisian Line Regiments often differ in tactics depending on whether they come from one of the Fenrisian colony worlds or Fenris itself. Old World Fenrisians are more wild and less coordinated in their approach, and typically operate in 5-10 man squads for the best kill-to-loss ratio. New World Fenrisians are more ordered and coordinated though they are still wilder than anyone outside your average Death Worlder. The two groups work best together, with New Worlder regiments holding the line and securing targets and Old Worlders scouting ahead and harrying supply lines.

>>51479232
>>51479492
>>51482471 (cont.)

According to Lexicanum, the population of Fenris is about 3.4 million. This is with Russ’ “hogging Asaheim all for myself” and “keeping the clans at each other’s throat with stone-age technology to keep the bloodlines stronk” bullshit. So it stands to reason a socially less shitty Fenris would be able to support a bit larger population.

Again, based on official fluff, the planet Fenris has an elliptical orbit that takes it 2 standard solar years for it to make a complete orbit around its parent star. Nevertheless, the growing season on Fenris is still only about 3-6 solar months. So most of the food on Fenris is going to come from the sea, no matter how hard you try to grow things.

I can see Fenrisian architecture being highly modular and mobile. Most of the land surface on Fenris is in the form of island arcs that can have a lifespan ranging anywhere from two years to several generations. In this case, especially since the population on Fenris is going to be heavily dependent on whatever comes out of the sea, the island-dwellers are going to be ready to pick up and move at a moment’s notice, since it doesn’t make sense to keep rebuilding buildings. A Fenrisian island city probably looks like an entire city made of moored ships, like an icy Amazonian Brazilian city.

The continent of Asaheim is probably about the size of Australia, if not a little larger. Unfortunately, like Australia, most of the habitable and arable land is located around the coast. Go further inland and you go into the land of tundras and conifer forests, home to snow trolls, giant bears, and mastodons, not to mention the descendants of Leman Russ’ failed experiments back when Fenris was a top-secret black site. The Vlka Fenrika don’t mind it too much because it gives them a ready-made training ground in their backyard, but it’s still not a good idea for people to go wandering around there by themselves.

>>51482492 (samefag, related)
On the Wolves of Fenris

Leman Russ’ initial experiments with the Canis Helix on Fenris were, to put it bluntly, a complete disaster. Although the idea behind the Canis Helix was to augment the abilities of human soldiers with genes from other animals on Old Earth, the first trials went way too far and ended up producing creatures more beast than man. Leman was horrified by these first experiments, and tried to put the aspirants out of their misery. However, some of these experiments managed to escape and life has a funny way of surviving in places it’s not supposed to. The people of Fenris may not be splice descendants, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t any around.

Don’t think of anything your average furry would fap to. Picture a wolf-like creature the size of a grizzly bear, with knife-like fangs similar to a chimp and disturbingly dexterous human-like forelimbs despite primarily walking on all fours. There are some human traits remaining, but you would really have to squint to see them.

>>51482862
It’s not clear how intelligent the Fenrisian wolves really are. It’s clear they’re clever, moreso than chimps or dolphins, but the question is are they merely intelligent as, say, Primeval Beastmen or are they merely limited by their lack of ability to communicate. At the very least, the fact that Fenrisian Wolves are easily tamed and are capable of doing a lot of stuff that something like a dog isn’t capable of suggests there is something going on in their brains.

The people of Fenris venerate the Fenrisian wolf above all other creatures because out of all the animals on Fenris it alone represents all the virtues of man. The Fenris wolf is clever, strong, brave, loyal, and stubborn. The fact that it does so because it is actually an abhuman rather than an actual animal is something that is either not well known or glossed over (10,000 years is a long time for something to fall out of common knowledge, especially if it wasn't widely known in the first place).

The AdBio would love to try to uplift the Fenris wolves back to sapience like the Beastmen and the Ogryn, but they’re worried any attempt to do so would blow back on the people of Fenris because of how genetically close the two are.

>>51480840
>>51481396
>>51481546

Maybe the Blood Angels just picked a world when they were finally forced to set up shop outside of Terra and named it Baal after Sanguinius' family because they were all "Sons of Sanguinius".

I kind of like the RIP AND TEAR traitors and Sangy's self-doubts better than literal Red Thirst, though I see the point of the nobledark. Maybe a successor chapter or something?

Also, don't we have the C'tan vampires running around in this setting?

>>51482984
I can change it to a successor chapter pretty easily.
I'm trawling the archives currently, so I've seen a bit on the C'tan vampires.
I'm currently trying to get the blood angels out of my head so I can focus on the religions and the adepta sororitas, and maybe the IG a bit (my fav factions go AS, IQ, Blood Angels)

>>51482862
>>51482880
But anon...there are no wolves on fenris.

>>51483267
I might write about the lore for C'tan vampire or a short story about an Eldar inquisitor using psyker enhanced solar powered martial arts to kill a Lahmian vampire.

>>51483267
>>51483475

Speaking of C'tan vampires, whose up for Ralei or Darvus from Xenology being the [s]idiot[/s] enterprising Magos who gets tricked into creating the C'tan vamps.

Also, what should we do about Orikan the Diviner? The fluff highly implies that in vanilla the current Orikan is likely a C'tan shard running around pretending to be a Cryptek. Maybe in this timeline Orikan is either the original C'tan shard that tricked the Magos into creating the C'tan vampires, or else a Necron that managed to do a reverse of what the C'tan vamps are to increase his own power.

>short story about an Eldar inquisitor using psyker enhanced solar powered martial arts to kill a Lahmian vampire

I see what you did there.

>>51480188
>Do we have any representation of this new Aquila?

Maybe something like an Aquila with a lightningbolt in one talon, and a singing spear in the other? Without the stylized tech-priest hood on one head?

>>51485557
Combine the Aquila with an Eldar Rune?
http://eldar.arhicks.co.uk/miscellaneous/eldar_runes.php
I was thinking one of the Infinity Circuits runes imposed on the aquila's body.
I suppose one requirement is that would be designed to be rendered in monochrome (so one color against another color background), allowing it to be displayed in thousands of forms.

>>51482880
I really like it. Are you going to add it to the 1d4chan page?

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>>51485557

>>51481004
>Don't worry everyone, it's just a shitposter. We get one of these about once a thread on average. It's how we know we're doing good. Heck, one of the working titles for these threads was "shitposting makes us stronger edition".

I didn't know it was that common. I just saw this thread, and that was my thought on the matter. This kind of shit is dumb as hell and it has to be the hundredth such project I've seen here since /tg/ still had its name in italics on the sidebar.

I don't get it; 40k seems to be the only setting where this is a regular occurrence. Between this and their furry-like tendency to make a 40k version of everything I honestly suspect that 40k causes something to happen to your brain where you can't enjoy anything else unless you can somehow imagine it as part of the 40k setting.

>>51481334
Believe me this setting will be all the buzz for a few weeks then all this fiction will wind up forgotten and nothing of it will be actually finished. This is pretty much the course of every /tg/ project that doesn't wind up as the pet project of a specific creator.

So I think I figured out how the Adepta Sororitas fit in with the Inquisition
Back when it was set up, the Inquisition was limited in what internal forces it could have, preventing them from having too big of a hammer and seeing everything as a nail (it's like letting a guardsman have "enough" explosives, because then they solve bar fights with them). The restrictions were:
An investigation team of no more than 10 people and
One Escort grade vessel.
Any other needed help had to be requested from local authorities, and any investigation that crossed into Arbites territory had to be handed over to them. The Arbites dealt with crimes against people, the Inquisition dealt with crimes against the Imperium. Of course, with their ability to request aid from any section of the Imperium, they were a bit unpopular. Arbites investigations had to be dropped, deployment plans were scrapped, traders lost massive profits, all in the name of chasing down a threat to the Imperium.
Then it got worse.
The TITANIUM YELLOW LILAC (Hungry Supernova 17S) file was supposed to be an Arbites case study on what to do if the Inquisition leaned towards extremism. Unfortunately, Emperor Vandire was in a rubber stamp mood the day it crossed his desk, and he signed Contingency A into law without actually reading it. Suddenly any Inquisitorial request for aid required a lot of paperwork, and gave the local authorities permission to turn it down for any reason, stalling many investigations as corrupt nobles and administrators found reasons to do so. As the buildup to the Great Civil War continued, Vandire refused to remove the law, fearing the Inquisition would take revenge. Afterwards, bureaucratic inertia proved the measures almost impossible to repeal (Some whisper that the Inquisition argued to maintain some of it, as it helped prove that Something Was Happening when their requests stalled), and thus they stayed in a reduced form.
(cont)

>>51487661 (cont)
The creation of the Adepta Sororitas solved most of the issues. When Dominica pleaded for the chance to redeem the Brides of The Emperor, she pledged to support the stability of the Imperium in any way possible. Part of that was Standing Order 3: Any member of the Adepta Sororitas must aid in an Inquisitorial Investigation upon request, unless circumstances demanded otherwise. Said circumstances usually gave the Sister permission to slap the Inquisitor for being an idiot (saving lives or fighting wars is usually a big one).

>>51487627
Dude, this project has been around since at least October.

Random Fluff

Codenames: The practice of keeping files under obscuring names, or giving them a reference name, has been common to almost every race of the Imperium since they evolved even the basics of data warfare. Sometimes they are weak, sometimes they are strong, and sometimes... they're just weird.
The Adeptus Arbites has set the standard with a multi-part scheme: Certain classes of information are given a randomized three word subject structure (Metal/Color/Flower is used for files that deal with other Imperial organizations, while Color/Sector/Predator is used for criminal organizations), with a randomized adverb-noun combination. For additional security, the adverb-noun parts are passed around between unrelated files with a Two-digit+Letter ID attached.
The Imperial Guard and Navy prefer a more direct Adverb-Noun structure for operation names, and otherwise use the Arbites method, removing the information classes part, but assigning particular words in the first position to different subjects (Which lead to the 4th defense of Armageddon being designated as COBALT COBALT COBALT (Cobalt Cobalt 27Co) Operation BLUE METAL).
The Inquisition is a mixed bag, with each Inquisitor providing his own codenames. Many use the Arbites method in its entirety, while others go esoteric. One used very direct names, on the premise that nobody expected it. Another named their files entirely in insults (She applied "Operation Fuck the Fucking Fuckers" many times, and yet remained a virgin for almost her entire career), and yet another named every file after pornstars (This lead to great consternation when the JUBILEE BREEDER file was presented as evidence against a cult).

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>>51487993
The Month of Murphy:
The Imperium has, from ancient files, learned of Murphy's Law (Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong, and usually at the worst possible time). For a while it was considered either a weapon of Chaos or Cegorach fucking around, until Cegorach himself chimed in. He provided the most concrete knowledge the Imperium has: He is not Murphy, he is pretty sure Murphy does not exist, and Murphy's Law is more like a law of the universe that applies even to the Chaos gods in the Warp.
This lead to Oscar making a very bad decision. It happened while he was on The Emperor's Tour, when he came across a situation that would benefit from his attention: Chaos cults had gripped 45 worlds in a defense-poor sub-sector. He joked that he would trade Murphy a month of minor inconveniences for a quick victory. He got the victory, dealing with all 45 worlds in less than three months using only one chapter of the Astartes, two Regiments of the Imperial Army, and a single battlecruiser as the cultists dealt with one catastrophe after another. Then he discovered that Murphy's Law does not know what the word "Minor" means.
In the span of one month, the following happened:
365 mugs full of hot recaf spilled over his clothes and destroyed
A robe woven for him with metallic fibers blowing the powergrid of an Administratum Sector HQ during a critical database transfer
A 50,000% increase in the number of jaywalking incidents on the planet he was visiting
A misfire during an aeronautical display in his honor burning down their hardcopy backups
25 Inquisitors dying under the very strange circumstance of "spontaneous appearances of pools filled with leaping sharks" while investigating scheming nobles
A previously undetected Chaos Cultist getting Jubblowski pregnant with twins
And his favorite lampshade being possessed by something very strange just so it could constantly yell at him about why his joke was a very bad decision and insulting him over his fashion sense.

>>51488168
Removal of the lampshade just lead to random lampshades around him doing the exact same thing until the month ended.
To this day, every officer and Inquisitor is taught one very basic lesson: DON'T FUCKING TAUNT MURPHY.

>>51488188
The entire thing seems hilarious until you renumber that the casualties from that month totaled over 400 billion - 6 times the enemy forces he faced.

>>51488168
>A previously undetected Chaos Cultist getting Jubblowski pregnant with twins

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Apex_Twins

And now we know the origin of these two in this universe.

Just mess the dates around a bit so that they were discovered In the last 300 years so they were born relatively recently rather than M36.

Upon the discovery of their nature and potential capabilities they were taken to Old Earth via the fastest ship possible and raised in an Inquisition run facility.

Despite being centuries old they are still both biologically no older than 8 Earth Years of age both physically and psychologically.

It is hoped that they will eventually mature, at least psychologically, as they would be of great benefit to the Imperium. If nothing else they could do the work of a hundred lesser psychics in the astronomican.

Did anything come of the afore mentioned surviving A.I.?

It was a library index card or a DaoT Tickle Me Elmo that adopted a planet or some shit.

Or am I remembering a completely different thread?

>>51489512
There was a planet where a sentient AI from a toy took over the world during the Age of Strife. All it ever did was manage the other AI or machinery to ensure that the planet's human population didn't just die off due to starvation, epidemic, or anarchy. Then the Great Crusade stumbled onto the world and wanted to kill off the AI, only to learn that if they did do that the population would just die off because they relayed too much on the governor AI. Oscar came in to end the debate and said "hey guy don't kill that planet and the AI seem harmless enough, just don't let it get off planet" that's how even in M41 that planet is still taken care of by that governor AI.

>>51490403
So is it up for writefagging into a real world entry on the 1d4chan page or is it in use by someone?

>>51487018
Yes to the Fenrisian colonies, probably have to write up the Fenrisian "wolf" in a more formal format. After all, in the noble darkness of the 41st millennium, I doubt that people still know what a furry is.

I'd like to wait for Fenris-anon to come back before I do anything that might contradict what he already has for Fenris, since he's already done so much work for it.

>>51487627
To be honest, it's not that much higher of a rate than other threads on the board. It's the same with literally every other project on this board that lasts for more than a few threads, someone comes in and calls everyone waifufaggots or says it's not /tg/ related or says "you're messing with my lore REEE" if its an AU of an already existing thing.

I think it's more /tg/ has a thing for 40k than anything else.

And to be fair, everyone in this thread knows that the project as a whole will probably go nowhere like everything else /tg/ does. Thing is, we're having fun while it lasts.

>>51489512
No, you're thinking right. It's basically just like >>51490403 said. There was a little bit more written on it (like the Mechanicus couldn't get any useful information out of it because it was a toy and its code was useless, and Oscar went lenient on it because he thought it would set a bad precedent if his origins were ever widely known). It first came up in thread III, but it was discussed in more detail in Thread IX.

It's pretty open.

>>51491467
Fenrisfag here. Don't wait on my account.

Added the Imperial command structure and tactics from some of the older threads to 1d4chan, plus some of the additional suggestions we had.

We need a bigger list of dangerous/weird shit for the Ganymede Vaults.

So far we have the only Daemon Prince of Malal, the last copy of Lorgar's Black Manuscript and the Blade of the Laer.

We need more weird shit and I'd rather not just copy the SCP website.

>>51493107
Supposedly Dark Heresy has a whole list of stuff that would go perfectly in that category for DMs to throw at players.

>>51493107
-The Lampshade of Bad Decisions: A recent addition, this ornately-simple lampshade was created during the Month of Murphy in 826.M40. Possesed by something that is not of the Warp, it spends all of it's time loudly berating nearby people over their worst decision. Then it starts in on their fashion sense. Nobody is sure why its in the vaults, other than the Emperor saying "I never want to see that damn thing again" and it being extremely resistant to damage.
-A pair of Icosahedrons carved from some Xenos bone. Recovered from an archeological dig, this artifact wreaked havoc for 12 years before being recovered. Its method is simple, yet incredibly dangerous: when an action is declared and the dice are rolled, reality warps to cause some variant on it to happen, for good or ill. Its limits are about equal to three combined Alpha-Plus psykers, and it probably can't be used to declare actions that won't take place near the user. Probably.

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>>51493107
In the 12th Black Crusade, Lady Malys personally led the invasion of the Imperial world of Purgatory for the xenos artifact called the 'Hand of Darkness' along with Warband Eidafaeron and Warp Hunter marines. Only a select few know of the artifact including some Inquisitors, the planetary governor, and the guards in charge of protecting the fort where it was held. Believed to be made by an extinct xenos species that once lived on the planet during the Dark Age of Technology. Cultist leaked the location of the gauntlet then help slaughter the garrisoning Cadian regiment to later capture the artifact for research. Malys heard of the many properties of this gauntlet once activated, including the Warp ability to decay anything it touches. Wishing to understand this warpcraft then intergrade it onto Chaos ships, sorcerers and witches were deployed by Lady Malys to reverse engineer the gauntlet while she leaves to oversee the rest of the Black Crusade. Battlefleet Gothic would break the blockade of Purgatory then aid in retaking the planet with the 203rd Cadian Shock Troop and Warhost Syph. Once the Hand of Darkness was in Imperial hands Inquisitor Genevieve tried to destroy it with psychic attacks while on the planet and when that failed she used explosives. Unfortunately, with no way of successfully destroying the artifact, Inquisitor Genevieve took it back to Port Maw before Chaos forces could retake Purgatory. After the Warp storm came to an end in the Gothic sector, the gauntlet was personally delivered to the Ganymede Vaults by the Inquisitor where it is to be kept until there is a way of destroying it.

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Since shortly after the marriage of the Steward and Mother-Goddess and continuing unto the present day there has been a persistent line of observation among the imperial petty aristocracy with regard to the domestic portion of the union. It follows that when viewed as a piece of galactic history, the move to mary the couple takes on a more than passing resemblance to the wedding of an impoverished but storied noble house to a more potent lineage of lesser acclaim. Despite the protests of high historical authorities, perturbed human aristocrats, and the Eldar en masse, the comparison persists in literature and discourse. The Throne itself has in the past been patron to literary works, but this angle has never been prominent in these commissions, which usually stress the equal, mutual, individual dignity of all parties.

>>51495103
Which one is the impoverished but storied noble house and which one is the potent lineage of lesser acclaim probably gets argued over a lot.

Oddly it's not split neatly by species. Some eldar believe they are the noble house in decline and some believe they are the potent and vivacious lineage. Same goes for humanity.

Except the Harlequins. The Harlequins consider all 4 parties in the debate to be a bunch of insufferable prats who need to lighten the fuck up, history is in the past and that past is long since dead and buried and good fucking residence.

Good old Ceggers much prefers the Imperium to the Old Empire. Old Empire used to be stuffy and staid before it went fucked up and degenerate. Either way they used to chase him and the Dark Carnival off worlds regularly.

Imperium is a nice middle ground that likes to party and there's only ever been one world he hasn't felt welcome. Krieg is a bag of fucking dicks.

>>51491584
How dare you say that word, anon? Here, of all places!

As most of the imperium has never been within 50 light years of a Space Marine, they really don't know about them, and as is always the case, they turn to entertainment media. The most popular on the subject, one of the first to reach Imperium wide syndication, is the character drama "My Brother, My Bolter", focusing on the downtime drama of a chapter fortress that holds three separate chapters with occasional forays into their battlefield shenanigans. Well loved (there are over 12 trillion fanfictions of it written every year), widely known (syndication has reached 95% of all planets with a tech base that can broadcast video), and on its 500th season (a season being 140 episodes released in blocks of ten), it is The Reference for the vast majority of Imperial citizens faced with a Space Marine.
It is also so inaccurate many Astartes are insulted by it. They get even more insulted when it's revealed that the best fanfiction is written by their fellows. Sometimes the fanfiction becomes canon episodes, leading to the infamous Dark Iron relationship that has survived over 250 seasons.
Terrible knowledge of intra-chapter relations aside, the main gripe is that the battlefield scenes never show the sheer firepower any Astartes deployment brings along.
The Codex Astartes not only dealt with organizing Space Marines, it also dealt with combined arms operations.
Most chapters follow a modified company structure, adding two more companies of scouts and an additional company of terminators, with one more Tactical company and the Command/Specialist company, leading to a total of 15 companies totaling 1500 marines, not counting Dreadnoughts and support personnel.
A Deployment starts with one Tactical Company, adds two squads of Terminators, three squads of Scouts, and a Command Detachment. For additional fire support, a Mechanized Infantry Regiment of the Imperial Guard is added, along with a six ship Task Force of the Imperial Navy.

Does Cegorach have deamons or does he use the power that he could make a deamon with and spread it around as buffs to his Harlequins?

Also is The Trickster one of his? Or is it a defector from Tzneetch that just got tired of all the bullshit?

I'm assuming that deamons can defect if they have a new patron lined up to sustain them in much the same way that the Soul Forge can adopt deamons of other gods.

>>51496599
While it doesn't seem like much compared to most deployments, most people forget a few facts when they accuse Guillimane of thinking too small:
Two cruisers is a lot of orbital support, and
Destroyers can fly in an atmosphere.
The cruisers deal with the big guns that can threaten a destroyer, allowing the battle barge to drop pods to deal with the anti aircraft guns that can bring down a transport, followed by four destroyers dropping over the battlefield to clear an LZ for the regimental transport, who provide additional firepower for the Marines while the destroyers wreak havoc on anything big enough for their guns and too small for the cruisers. It is truly staggering how effective this tactic is at taking out enemy command centers.

>>51496599
Had an idea about a series of cheesy action "buddy cop" holo-vids that are watched all over the Imperium called "Autarch and Astartes" or something that sounds less shit.

When it first came out it was lauded for subverting typical Eldar/human stereotypes by presenting the two main characters as a young, inexperienced, hot-blooded Aspect Warrior who needs to calm the balls down and a grizzled Space Marine captain who has had too much of this shit.

Together, they fight crime and try to get to the bottom of a conspiracy which wiped out the Space Marine's chapter, of which the Marine is the last survivor of.

And, of course, it's loaded to the brim with IMPERIUM FUCK YEAH propaganda (i.e., Eldar and humans work better together), cheesy dialogue, and explosions. At least nine installments have been made thus far.

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>>51495445
>People still reference my story about the time the Dark Carnival visited Krieg
Ayyyy

>>51496901
"Aspects of Steel", with nine main feature length fils and five animated miniseries, one of which spent three seasons on just them dealing with the issues one planet faced.

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>>51497037
It was the one world Cegger's couldn't party on.

Cosmic Joculator's face when Krieg.

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>>51497186
To be fair, the warning barrage killed less than a dozen people and only permanently crippled five
>Krieger's face when Ceggers and the Carnival show up with a party permit
>and it's rejected on the grounds of "Fuck the xenos"

>>51497129
The last four films (and two miniseries) introduced a new character after some representation issues were raised: a cynically optimistic Tau Inquisitor who wrecked shit with the liberal application drones dropping detpacks. The last film culminates in the largest onscreen explosion of the series: using an Exterminatus grade warhead on the reactor of a nurgle serving battle cruiser while it was on course to crash into Craftworld Alaitoc, using the blast wave to ride out of danger on a piece of hull plating.
It was badass as fuck.

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>>51497363
>>51497129
>>51496901
If there isn't an overzealous sororitas after the astartes' "heavy weapon" something is wrong.

Astartes is terrified of the sororitas because don't stick dick in crazy and these are people that get called to put rebel astartes down.

>>51497567
This pleases me. Of course, she does mellow out over the series (basically a reversal of the Manic Pixie Girlfriend trope), and she's the one that gets them the exterminatus warhead for the last film. Often runs her own simultaneous, and just as bloody, investigations to impress the Astartes, providing much help and obstacles.
This doesn't make him feel any better, and just to spite the fans, the only time they even come close to a not-raepy kiss is him holding their helmets together right before a space combat scene.

>>51497288
And being able to fuck up a harlequin, never mind half a dozen, is a pretty high achievement.

Really makes you think just how badly do they saturate things with artillery fire?

>>51497702
It was The Dark Carnival. Everyone was drunk as fuck and slightly disorientated from webway exist.

Then something explosive landed on them.

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>these are people that get called to put rebel astartes down

>>51497755
Quoting this
>>51497567

I just might have to writefag this. Or the guy who came up with it can, I tend towards the "historical outline/paper" style.

>>51497037
Dark Carnival was great, man.

So I made a write-up of the Lion fluff based on what we have so far since Lion’s fluff is mostly worked out and we don’t want it to “disappear into the warp”. However it’s not done and I wanted to seek advice from everyone else, especially since Lion has been more of a collaborative thing than the other primarchs and I wanted to make sure it sounded right.

The story of Lion El'Jonson began over a generation before his actual birth, during the Nordyc-Franj war. Clovis Fouché, king of Franj, had sought the aid of Skand against the invasions of the Tyrant of Gredbriton, and after the Tyrant had been repulsed the Nordyc sought payment for their services. However, King Clovis had proven to be rather miserly with the payment of the debt, and the men of Skand were worried they would never be recompensed. Chief Thengir of the Kalararit was nominated by the chieftains of Skand to travel to Franj to discuss the repayment of the debt with King Clovis.

For whatever reason, the meeting did not go peacefully. The exact nature of the quarrel has been lost to history. The Nordyc claimed that King Clovis tried to short-change them, offering only a pittance in exchange for the blood they had shed. The Franj claimed that Chief Thengir had acted arrogant and disrespectful, behaving more like a conqueror demanding tribute than an ally requesting payment. Whatever the reason, the meeting quickly escalated to violence.

Chief Thengir lost his hand. King Clovis lost his life.

>>51498315
Thus began the Nordyc-Franj war. In retaliation for the death of their king, Franj soldiers devastated huge tracts of Skand and destroyed entire Nordyc villages. The Nordyc responded by launching devastating raids into the heart of Franj territory. The war only ended when the new regent, 15 year old Yolande Fouché, Yolande the Clever, called a meeting with Chief Thengir, now known as Thengir the Cripple, to formally apologize and pay back the remainder of the debt along with a weregild for the lives lost. Nevertheless, a considerable amount of hatred remained between the Nordyc and Franj. Perhaps nowhere was this more pronounced than between the noble family of Jonson and the Kalararit house of Russ, both of whom had been involved in the thickest of the fighting.

As a boy, the Lion grew up with stories of glory and heroism, of knights and warriors. And yet not all of these stories were merely tales of fancy. The Lion grew up idolizing his older brother, Luther El'Jonson, who was at first a Knight of Franj and later, when Franj-Europia had been absorbed into the Imperium, a Mark I Astartes. Luther El'Jonson had won fame for his exploits as a mere squire of 16 in the Nordyc-Franj war, and had only risen in stature since. However, the Sword of Franj had a darker side which was not widely known. Although Luther was a loyal servant of Franj, he greatly disliked the fact that his country was consorting with weak allies, first with the Europia and then later the Imperium itself, when it turned out the Warlord was not as much of a warmonger as Luther expected.

>>51498333
From the moment he was born, it was clear that something was…different about Lion El’Johnson. Although he truly cared about his fellow man, he often had trouble reading people and came off as unempathetic. Despite being fiercely loyal to those he considered his friends, he was socially awkward and had trouble looking people in the eye. Nevertheless, despite his faults, he was groomed for knighthood by his brother Luther, who recognized his talents. Although Lion would often focus on a problem to the point of obsession, he was tactically brilliant. He also followed the old ideals of chivalry, to a degree that some would consider ridiculous. The Lion was an idealist at heart, seeing the world in terms of dragons and princesses as opposed to corrupt bureaucrats and politicians. This noble behavior won him the fancy of many a young woman’s heart, though throughout history there is no record of the Lion ever engaging in a romantic relationship.

>>51498348
It was for these reasons that when it came time for the Steward to name the twenty primarchs that would command his legions, the Lion was among that number. Such a nomination came as a surprise to everyone, least of all Lion himself. Before this time, the Lion was only known as the younger brother of Luther, or at best Luther’s squire. But the Warlord knew the evils that lurked in the hearts of men. Luther was a great soldier, but his mind had been corrupted by hatred and jingoism. The Lion’s heart was untamed, but it was pure, its idealism and love for humanity untampered. Along with Sanguinius Baal and Vulkan, son of N’Bel, Lion was chosen to be one of the three prototypes for the Mark III Astartes augmentation, which was to be the final model of Space Marine augmentation. Some say that this was the point that the seed of jealousy was first planted in Luther’s heart, with all his years of service to Franj and the Imperium being overlooked in favor of his untested brother. Lion, for his part, did not reciprocate the feeling and named his older brother second-in-command of the legion in gratitude for all that his brother had given him. Lion named his legion the Dark Angels after the legendary Black Knight of his country's folklore, who covered his armor in pitch and lived as a wild man rather than subject himself to an unjust lord.

>>51498365
If the Dark Angels were to become a proper legion, they would need a strong recruiting base. Fortunately, the Lion’s home country of Franj was almost perfect for the task. Franj was extremely healthy in terms of both health and population, and the only other primarch from Franj-Europia, Roboute Guilliman, did not seem that interested in recruiting from his home nation. Guilliman, ever the long term thinker, preferred to recruit from all over Old Earth instead of a single country, with the mind of forming an army that had no loyalty to any nation but the Imperium itself. The Lion, on the other hand, felt he needed soldiers he could trust, and so he recruited heavily from his home country of Franj-Europia. Compared to many of the other nations of Earth, the knightly orders of Franj were organized, well-trained, and well-educated militarily, making them ideal Astartes candidates. As a result, by the time the Unification of Sol was complete, the First Legion was bigger, better trained, suffered from fewer casualties, and could recruit faster than any other legion.

>>51498388
It was for this reason that the Dark Angels were picked to be the first legion to travel outside of Sol, acting as an expeditionary force to scout the galaxy ahead of the rest of the Great Crusade to see what of humanity had survived the Age of Strife. The Lion was enamored with the idea, starry-eyed at the prospect of meeting new peoples and reuniting with lost colonies of humanity. Luther, for his part, was not. He was growing increasingly dissatisfied with Europia-Franj’s increasing lack of autonomy in the increasingly peaceful Imperium, which was only magnified by King Gunthar Fouché, son of Roboute Guilliman and Yolande Fouché, turning over all military production and funding to the Imperium on the reasoning that there was no one left to fight. Perhaps in a bit of paranoia, Luther feared that his assignment to the expeditionary fleet was an unofficial exile as opposed to an award, and that the Imperium would completely gut his beloved Franj while he was not around to watch it.

Lion and the Dark Angels set out in The Rock, one of two super-battleships along with the Phalanx that were commissioned by the Steward to be the flagships of the new Imperial Navy, along with several ships of the Voidborn primarch Horus Lupercal (whose cartographers happened to be the ones that owned all the maps). At first the mission did not go well. The first sentient life the expeditionary force encountered was the orks, followed by the Dark Eldar, the latter of which in particular fostered a particularly deep-seated dislike of Eldar in the two brothers. Even the Lion, despite his general open-mindedness, never really felt comfortable with the Imperium being on good terms with the Craftworlders, as he had a hard time distancing the likes of Eldrad and Macha from the atrocities of their distant kin.

>>51498400
And yet despite these setbacks there were such triumphs. Despite the Dark Angel’s first encounters being with the orks and Dark Eldar, the Dark Angels encountered other races, such as the Watchers in the Dark, who would prove to be loyal allies. And there were so many human colonies, many of whom welcomed the Dark Angels (and by proxy the return of humanity as a power in the galaxy) with open arms. After seeing Russ’ success at recruiting warriors from the planet of Fenris, the Dark Angels set up recruitment stations on many of these worlds, causing the Dark Angels to swell even larger. Nevertheless, many of the Dark Angels, particularly the officers, still came from Franj.

>>51498419
It was sometime during this period that Luther was contacted by Erebus, the Dark Chaplain, the First Traitor. The Ruinous Powers had seen the doubts that lay in Luther’s heart, and saw their opportunity to sow dissent within the forces of the Imperium. Erebus told Luther that he saw the nobility in Luther’s heart and his loyalty to Franj and humanity as a whole, and yet the Imperium was willing to get in bed with all the old enemies of Franj and humanity; the Duscht Jemanic, the Nordyc, the Eldar. On behalf of the Dark Gods, Erebus offered Luther a deal: Divert all Dark Angel reinforcement from the upcoming war, and in exchange Chaos would only target non-essential or non-human interests. Many have wondered, when it became clear that Chaos would never uphold such a bargain, why Luther would have continued to serve the interests of the Ruinous Powers. Captured members of the Fallen have said that Luther was never fully convinced by Erebus’ words, but merely planned to double-cross Chaos and re-establish Franj as an independent power, similar to Hy Braseal. Luther saw the Imperium as a noble ideal, but corrupt and rotten to its core. Better to burn it all down and start afresh, preferably with Franj as its center. However, as with all traitors whose minds have been warped by the influence of Chaos, it is difficult to say if they are telling the truth.

>>51498434
It was as at this point that one of the Lion’s biggest mistakes becomes clear. The Lion recruited much of his legion, including most of its officers, from Franj because he felt he needed people he could trust. Sadly, the officers of the Dark Angels were loyal to a fault, but not to him. Although many in the legion respected the Lion, and those who actually got to know him personally actually found him quite pleasant, if persnickety, the Lion often relied on his brother to motivate the legion due to his lack of people skills. The Lion had so much trouble reading people, and was so trusting of his brother, that he had not seen the viper in the grass before it bit him. Nearly two-thirds to three-fourths of the legion had been subverted by the Ruinous Powers. If it were almost any other legion, it wouldn’t be as much of a problem, but by the time of the War of the Beast the Dark Angels were by far the largest legion and so having two-thirds to three-fourths of the legion go renegade was the equivalent of having two or three other legions fall to the Ruinous powers.

- HERESY TIME! Not clear what’s going on here. On the one hand we have Luther burning a bunch of maiden worlds claiming Lion ordered it and Lion coming back and saying WTF, on the other hand we have the brothers not being big fans of Eldar and so in that case it’s not clear the Lion would flip out
- Also some of the fluff we have has DAs being close to Eldar, which doesn’t make sense.

The Lion never returned to Old Earth during the War of the Beast to participate in the Battle of Terra. Many have criticized the Lion for these actions, however, in the Lion’s mind, his priorities were clear.
It was his mistake, HIS mistake, and the universe would not be set right until he took pains to correct it.

>>51498442
What happened to the Fallen mostly depended on what they did immediately after the War of the Beast. Some of the Fallen, mostly members of the lower ranks who realized they had been fed bullshit for the whole ordeal, surrendered when the enormity of their error became apparent. They ended up being sentenced to serve in the penal legions until they were deemed to have sufficiently repented for their sins after the first Black Crusade, after which the survivors were scattered among the other legions. The remainder, which represented at least half of the surviving Dark Angels, were spirited away by the Ruinous Powers to the Eye of Terror where they formed the core of the Fallen as we know them today. Of the being known as Cypher no conclusive answers have been obtained. He still appears in Imperial records from time to time down the ages with no discernable pattern. He is either leapfrogging through time via cryo-sleep or it’s not the same man. Even a Mark III S Astartes should have aged to death by now. The Eldar allies of the Dark Angels are unable to predict his movements and, much like the tyranids, he acts as a travelling blank spot in their prophecies.

>>51498461
In the years immediately following the War of the Beast, there were many who criticized the Lion's actions, chief among them Leman Russ. At one point the Great Wolf said within earshot of El'Jonson that Luther's betrayal was a near certainty, because "that's what one gets for trusting a member of the house of Jonson". That was a fateful mistake, as while the Lion might have been distraught, he wasn't deaf. The Lion was enraged, although his brother may have fallen to the Ruinous Powers, the Lion had still remained loyal to humanity and had done all in his power to help the Imperium. At least one son of Jonson had retained his honor. In retaliation, the Lion turned and struck the Great Wolf on the jaw, knocking him out cold. In the aftermath of the fight, Leman Russ decided he had enough of witches and Jonsons and decided to relocate to Fenris entirely, nearly severing all ties with Old Earth. The Great Wolf would not set foot on his home planet again until nearly forty years after the Lion's disappearance, slightly humbler and wiser from his experience setting up the Fenrisian colonies.

>>51498472
As with all of the primarchs save Sanguinius and Angron, the Lion was active following the War of the Beast, though one would be forgiven for thinking he was not. Unlike most of the primarchs, who were primarily focused on rebuilding the Imperium, Lion was focused, some would say obsessed, with trying to recapture the Fallen. He split the remaining loyalist Dark Angels into knightly orders reminiscent of those once present on Franj and scattered them to distant worlds, with a program of frequent officer exchange between orders to keep them loyal to the Imperium rather than any one place of origin. He also instituted a mandatory position of Watcher within each chapter, held by a member of the Inquisition in order to monitor the chapter from the inside. These days, the job is usually held by a really old member of the Inquisition who refuses to retire despite being too old to chase anyone.

Finally, less than two years after the War of the Beast had ended, the Lion received the news he had waited so long for. The Rock, and by extension Luther, had reappeared.

- Luther going to Caliban, found out about Consumer (part of Old Ones’ webway maker) and trying to claim it for Chaos/personal use
- Lion goes to Caliban, confronts Luther, big duel]
- Lion gets put in coma and Luther gets saved at last second by Chaos bullshit
- Watchers blow up Caliban to keep Luther from getting his hands on the Consumer
- Dark Angels remove heresy from Rock and repurpose it as base
- Lion put in stasis. Location known for several centuries, then he vanishes. Dark Angels claim they still know where he is.

>>51498515
Does the Lion still live? Who can know. The Lion was a Mark III S Astartes, with all that implies. Vulkan lived for over eight millennia, and that was a full life pushing his body to the limit many times over. No one knows how long a Mark III S Astartes could live if kept in a coma on a life support machine. Perhaps the Dark Angels speak the truth.

>>51498533
Other things:
- In canon, the Phalanx is said to be a DaoT relic that the Imperium could not replicate. However it’s never made clear how Inwit got their hands on it, and later in the Crusade the Imperium has
- The idea here is that the Steward originally intended for there to be five super-battleships to act as a central command for each of the major segmenta: The Phalanx (to remain in Segmentum Solar), The Rock, Terminus Est, The Mirabilis, and The Nicor. Phalanx and Rock got done first and the latter got sent out while the former remained to protect Sol. The Rock got chosen to lead expeditionary force because its fuck-huge size meant it was largely self-sufficient and could survive for a long time if the fleet got stuck somewhere. WotB fucked up that plan.
- I realized that the way I wrote this made it sound like Lion was an inexperienced commander who got in way over his head and fucked up on every level. This is not the case. Remember, the Lion was Luther’s squire, which means he did a lot of stuff in warzones despite not being an Astartes. The Steward likely knew of Lion long before the Lion realized he was on the Warlord’s radar.
- Nevertheless, Lion is still the “youngest” of the primarchs (despite getting more experience than some handling the expeditionary fleet), so he often got the vanilla!Alpharius treatment from the other primarchs
- There’s a good chance that Lion being nominated as primarch instead of Luther was not meant to snub Luther. Steward knew that Lion would make his brother second in command, so nominating Lion was like getting two-for-one. However, Steward wanted Lion in charge because he was more level-headed.

Also, need some help writing out Lion and Luther yelling at each other how each thought the other betrayed Franj. Need awesome dialogue and can't write dialogue right now because brain is full of fuck.

Also also, am I missing anything important?

>>51497129
Don't forget the inevitable reboot that flopped and so the producers backtracked and tried to retcon the whole thing as having never happened in the next film. Or do we not talk about that one?

>>51497288
>>51497702
Artillery barrage is probably considered foreplay on Krieg.

>>51498596
It all looks pretty close to perfect.

My only gripe is that the return of Luthar should be after the 1st Black Crusade.

It was seen as the testing of the fresh forged bonds of the Imperium also the testing of the reforging of the Dark Angels.

Also this is the point in history where the old legends start to die off. It would be appropriate for him to go down there.

>>51492579
Combined the two writeups on Fenris and put it on 1d4chan.

>>51497777
Writefagging it since people seem to like my take on it. Will be a while before it can posted, since I'm on a tablet and need a better platform to transcribe my writing.

Hilarious moments of writefagging: My Brother, My Bolter has just finished its 500th season, each season consisting of 14 plot arcs of 10 episodes each, each arc taking six months to produce, means that it has been running for three and a half millennium over 70,000 episodes with seamless transitions between actors with no self-contradicting episodes. It is truly worthy of all the conspiracy theories surrounding it.

Hold on. It seems that the Sororitas are now a separate organization from the Sisters Of Battle? So is "sororitas" still just an alternate name for the SoBs, or is it the term used for the Templar's auxiliaries?

I'm also finishing up something I'd like to put up here in a little bit.

>>51499742
Its complicated. The SoB are part of the Adepta Sororitas, which is an Imperial level governmental group, but Sororitas means "sisters/sisterhood", and thus has its use in other organizations.
The Templars have their own Sororitas, which are unaffiliated with the AS, and there was a disaster relief organization called the Sororitas Solamens until their absorption by the AS.

>>51499742
There was a suggestion in the previous thread that the term "Adeptas Sororitas" was originally an insulting term leveled at the Sisters of Battle, like "Bolter Bitches", in the same way that "copper" or "cop" is used today. As in some petty insurgent warlord said "How are you people losing, I'm not going to go down in history as having lost to a bunch of sorority sisters!"

Full disclosure, I was the one who suggested it. Take of it what you will.

>>51499742 I think the Sisters of Battle falls under the Adapta Sororitas as the armed branch of it. The Sororitas technically is under Ordo Securitas but can be called upon into action by any branch of the Imperium, it is just that they can ignore the call-to-arms as long as it is not coming from the Inquisition. There is the Interna Sororitas who act as militarized police for internal affairs in rooting out heretics, Xenos, and even hunting down renegade Space Marines. Then there is the Militium Sororitas who work with the Imperial Army in fighting on the front as soldiers.

>>51499830
>>51499901
>>51499969
That sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare. As if this AU wasn't dark enough already. Thanks guys.
And here's the 1st part of what I have. It's not that good, honestly.

Please, just call me Oscar. There are no need for such formalities when it's your ceremony.
You wish to know why? That is a question I have been asked many times before. Are you sure about this? It's a very long history lesson, one that your Schola teachers have probably covered in depth.
Very well, take a seat. The Mechanicus technicians will make you comfortable.
The straps are for your own safety. Shall I start at the beginning?
Eleven thousand years ago, my adopted sons marched into the depths of hell side by side with the strongest warriors of a dying race, and struck a blow at the heart of the Great Enemy. In a display of psychic might equal to mine, my father held the portal open long enough for a god to be broken free of her cage, setting the foundation for the Last Alliance, the agreement between Man and Eldar that would uplift both our species out of the chaos of the Age Of Strife.
Centuries later, the same man, old and tired, said he was proud of me, lying in a simple white bed, connected to a panoply of medical equipment that whirred and beeped rhythmically.
He told me that I and my eighteen generals had wrenched humanity free from the horrors of the Old Night, and that they would need me to be its leader. As the spikes on a green line grew erratic, I said that no mere relic of a lost Golden Age should be the master of its creators. To think, that I would waste the last of my time with my father on an argument, of all things.
Despite that blunder, Malcador forgave me with a serene smile. For that, and so much more, I will be forever grateful to a man who found a stasis chamber in a run-down laboratory on Cthonia, and spared the life it held inside.

>>51500510
(cont.) GG formatting
Then the War Of The Beast happened, leaving a trail of shattered worlds in its wake and an uncertain future on the horizon. The Imperium nearly died then, as we were pushed back further and further by unending waves of savage Orks goaded into battle by the unrepentant instigators of the Fall. In Terra's ruins, only the death of an angel and the sacrifices of heroes beyond counting was enough to allow Farseer Eldrad and I to kill the monstrous Beast at the hordes' head.

A hundred centuries have passed since, and the world has changed. The stubborn Tau suffered through multiple schisms and two thousand years out in the cold, but they now fight for the Imperium. In the Age Of Apostasy, the Demiurge helped the brave Inquisitor Sebastian Thor and myself end the rule of Goge Vandire, earning their acceptance through blood and adamantium. They are not the only ones, for among the stars are many more who have joined the Last Alliance and aid the Imperium's war efforts.

But all my eighteen Primarchs, chosen from the finest and bravest of Terra's stock, lie dead, whether by war or because of the march of time. There have been no replacements for their seats, which remain empty not only out of deference to each of their lives, but because none have been found worthy of taking up their titles.

Enemies both new and ancient have opened new fronts all across the Imperium's vast Segmentae, all thirsting for our blood. Some are clad in liquid metal, others in sculpted chitin and claws, and some are manipulators cloaked in shadows. Others are false idols which will not die, praised by legions of fanatics who seek to bring the taint of Chaos into our besieged empire. There is no mercy to be found here.

>>51500573
(cont.) oh dear god reading this makes me feel bad

In some great irony, I, a Man Of Gold, a human simulacrum, have ended up in the Golden Throne of an empire, bonded with Isha, one of the last survivors of a pantheon of true gods. Some say that Eldrad chose an arranged marriage as repayment of his favor a way to prevent humanity from going back on its promises to the Eldar, but I suspect he really just found the idea funny.

One thing has not changed, however. The War For Heaven, the war that began so long ago, goes on, the tune of its siren call tugging the strings of every sentient being of this galaxy. Everyone heeds its call eventually.

While the morning sun shined upon Perturabo's shining Terran hive cities, a veteran of the War stepped out onto a field of mud and rain, armed with a lasgun and the blind faith of his platoon of Guardsmen. He flinched as he scanned their youthful profiles, constantly reminded of brothers and sisters who wouldn't stay in the past. The night terrors of his sleep no longer had the decency to stay out of his waking world, and he grew more and more tired as one excited private explained how he had signed up for his wife and kids back home. Few soldiers ever returned to their homeworlds after joining up, at least, not alive.

Today, when the sun sets on the Imperial Palace today, an Ordo Securitas Inquisitor may watch his acolytes celebrate the resolution of a sector-wide fraud case that drained millions of gelt from Imperial accounts. Before tomorrow's dawn, he may lie face-down at his desk, poisoned by a bottle of wine. For the Inquisitor's white-haired Sororitas bodyguard, summary execution of the childhood friend who brought it will be enough to soothe her anger. Afterwards, she will learn that it was the unwitting crime of a clueless man.

>>51500599
(okay, this is the last part)
Our libraries and datastacks are filled with tales of tragedy and joy, of valor and cowardice, of liberating adventure and crushing defeat. Yet the galaxy grinds on, dragged onwards by its own inertia, careless of ghosts haunting the living or the deaths of Inquisitors and childhood friends. It takes no favors, listens to no pleas, and defies classification by human logic. With all its beauty and mystery, the galaxy has been the birthplace of our loftiest dreams and our most terrifying nightmares.

In the end, all it has to offer us is War. And who are we to deny its gift?

I do not put my faith in gods, despite the fact that one sits next to me right now. That belongs to those who call me Emperor, who struggle to maintain their shard of normality in an unforgiving universe. They fight as men and women who have everything to lose, never to receive anything better than the galaxy's gift. If we stop now, if we loosen our grip even the slightest, everything that they have lived and died for will be in vain. My faith, and by extension their faith, belongs to a promise built on hope.

One day, the War will end, and the Imperium will be witness to a new dawn, where our children are free to live and smile, to grow old in peace, no matter the price.

Have I answered the question to your satisfaction, psyker?

Good. Isha, if you would be so kind as to dull his senses to pain, thank you.

Let the soul-binding begin. Initiate proced-

>>51500626
All right, now is when I duck for cover. I'm putting this up on ff.net too, as an intro for maybe some random short stories set in this verse, but idk if this is any good to you guys.

>>51500510
The imperium is a bureaucratic nightmare. Let's make it clearer:
There is one Imperial organization called the Adepta Sororitas. No other official organization has "Sororitas" in its name. It is an organization tasked with providing specialized military support to other Imperial organizations, especially the Inquisition.
Other organizations not part of the Imperial government can use "Sororitas" in their names or subdivisions, but cannot use "Adeptus" or "Adepta", as those are reserved for the Imperial government.
Look at previous threads and >>51487661 plus >>51487731 for more

>>51500661
Pretty good. Although someone pointed out that we need a method of soul binding that doesn't rely on Oscar (seeing as how he spent most of Vandire's reign relaxing on a beach in the middle of nowhere with Macha-Isha)

>>51500707
All right.

>>51500805
Woo, it's not a total loss! I do remember a previous thread saying that 'quisitor Thor tracked down the Emperor by checking where all the Black Ships were going to, b/c only Emps could do the soul-binding.

Not that a backup option for the process wouldn't be a good thing to have.

>>51500707
We already have Adeptas out the wazoo (Adeptus Astartes, Adeptus Mechanicus). Maybe keep the Sororitas part restricted to the Sisters. The baseline followers of the Templars can get their own name.

What were the peasant rank-and-file soldiers called during the Crusades?

>>51500805
Someone suggested the way Thor tracked Oscar down is he figured out where the Black Ships were going and followed them back to Littoropolis (literally Beach Planet). Anyone else who asked where the Black Ships were going got told to fuck off or lied to, but when an Inquisitor flashes his rosette people start talking.

>>51500626
Me gusta.

Notice through the whole conversation how Oscar never tries to bring attention to himself, and when he does he almost immediately backtracks and asks about the other person. The only time he does talk about himself at length is when he is discussing events that he was so thoroughly involved in that he couldn't describe them otherwise. And when he does he does so in the tone of a third-person historical lecture.

It fits perfectly with what we have about Oscar's personality so far.

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>>51498388
>Roboute Guilliman, did not seem that interested in recruiting from his home nation. Guilliman, ever the long term thinker, preferred to recruit from all over Old Earth instead of a single country, with the mind of forming an army that had no loyalty to any nation but the Imperium itself
I vaguely remembered something saying that the Ultramarines had a particularly large ground force of non-astartes personnel, and together with this I pictured 40k UN peacekeepers that look like guard except for their blue ultramarine helmets.
>>51498461
>He still appears in Imperial records from time to time down the ages with no discernable pattern
In matter of fact, Cypher is (possibly) another daemon prince of Malal, and his behavior serves no purpose but to negate the working theories of any given observer.

I'm working to finish fulgrim, hopefully I'll post it in this thread or the next.

So much inspired writing to do... Question in regards to one of three/four pieces of writefagging in the works: is it an issue if I make Oscar good with children? Like, gets offered jobs working maternity wards good?
Also in the works:
>The Axel Twins. Will be grimdark
>An eldar inspired by too many Girls und Panzer amvs, with Creed thrown in. Will exemplify nobledark.

>>51498596
Good stuff, seems spot on for the Lion and the various ideas we came up with

>>51500626
Also good stuff, I think you captured the character of Oscar nicely

>>51499742
>>51499830
>>51499901
>>51499969
Holy shit, this Sororitas organizational stuff getting out of hand. Anyone want to take a stab at simplifying and rationalizing it?

>>51502402
>Holy shit, this Sororitas organizational stuff getting out of hand. Anyone want to take a stab at simplifying and rationalizing it?
That's my fourth project. Origins are the main sticking point, but i can whip an org chart pretty damn well. 999.M40 fine? We can adjust dates for org shuffles afterwards as we write more fluff.

How do Psykers work in thise setting? Are the disciplines the same? What is the Imperiums attitude towards them?

>>51499223
Looks good.

Posting what I wrote previous thread in case there're people who haven't read it yet:

"Good morning Imperial Citizens, I'm Oliver Fletcher and you're listening to/watching Astral News, here with the latest headlines and stories across the Imperium and its allies from the Eldar and Tau.

Top story for today; Warlock-Ambassador Lofn Ulthwe; age 15, will be travelling to the Feudal World designation: Shichi 42P in efforts to win the hearts and minds of the people inhabiting that world, including reports of Exodite Eldar in the planet. According to reports from officials and correspondents from Biel-Tan. This will be Lofn Ulthwe's sixth Hearts and Minds operation that she will be involved, as according to Colonel-Farseer Taldeer herself she believes and I quote her; "If my daughter has been successful in helping to spread peace in three previous Hive Worlds that underwent chaotic anarchy. And two rouge Craftworlds to join and be fully integrated into the Alliance of Eldar and Men, then she can be successful in having Shichi 42P under our banner. Considering that she is basically a teenager, she has already done an excellent job in uniting millions of people together under this alliance, despite death threats and even poorly made rape threats against her." End quote.

Of course there are still a matter of security details involving her trip to-"

Just then the reporter Oliver Fletcher paused as he pressed something against his right ear which was a comms device. He listened.

"Why yes what is it, I'm the middle of reporting a headline. What? No way... You're serious ...Oh my god... Ladies and gentlemen, we will interrupt all current channels for an important breaking news."

The bottom news tickers first disappeared from the bottom of the screen and were replaced by red news alert tickers talking about a terrorist attack on a space port.

"We interrupt your daily scheduled programs for a news alert. There has been a terrorist attack on a space port."

>>51505051
The voice of the news reporter was starting to break into a more nervous tone compared to earlier which was more optimistic.

"...There has been a confirmed terrorist attack at a space port in the Imperial Paradise world that is Drao M89... Reports say that the attack was either the work of a human supremacist terrorist-separatist group, or an elder-supremacist separatist-terrorist organization, and there have been about four suspects who have orchestrated this attack."

Then surveillance footage from the space port in which the attack took place is shown.

"What you are about to see is surveillance footage of the space port in which the attack took place. Be warned however, as in accordance with the New Galactic Media Laws, the footage is graphic and violent. Viewer discretion is advised…”

Again, the news anchor’s voice was clearly breaking, and just as he said it. That footage being gray and grainy showed what appeared to be four individuals, three out of four have their faces concealed, three of them armed with assault weapons and dressed in full military fatigues and combat gear. And only one of the four terrorists was dressed in a western long coat and had a bandanna covering half of the terrorist’s face and a wide brimmed hat covering the top half of said person’s face and was armed with two revolvers.

Then the footage shows the terrorists opening fire to the unsuspecting crowd of civilians and to the security personnel; through their futile attempts to stop the terrorists, then the terrorists walk down further to the terminal, till the one who was essentially dressed as a cowboy looked onto the camera and shot at it. The reporter spoke in an even more fearful tone and nervous manner.

“…There has been a confirmed report of… Oh god, one hundred and fifty. One hundred and fifty people, innocent civilians have been killed in the gruesome massacre.” The reporter’s voice was slowly starting to break into tears.

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>>51503347
Psykers still work the saem. Have connection to warp that allows them extra sensory abilities and also allows them to do weird shit.

Not sure what you mean by disciplines. In terms of training it varies. All psychic training is done under the Schola Psykana. The common held belief is that all psychic humans go to Old Earth for their training. This is not true. All potential astropaths go to Old Earth for soul binding, unless Oscar is doing a tour of the Imperium then they get shipped to where ever he is.

A disproportionate number of the galaxies psykers do go to Old Earth because it's seen as the "Psychic Homeworld" since Prospero vanished but there are lesser schools further away. Sometimes they are branches of the Schola Psykana, sometimes they are eldar run establishments.

A few are home grown institutions that have received the rubber stamp of approval from the Schola Psykana after an inspection.

The attitude of the average man in the street to the psykers is better than in Vanilla, but that's hardly a high bar to hop over. They are less likely to be burned at the stake or strung up from the lamp posts but they are going to be treated with considerable suspicion and fear.

The ones that have got their Sanction Papers on the successful completion of their training are understandably treated better than the unsanctioned. Unaccompanied unsanctioned have, by law, to be detained and picked up by a representative of one of the higher institutions be it Schola Psykana, Black Ships, Astropathica or Inquisition. This is quite clearly unfair to treat people as criminals without trial or appeal but it is a necessity if you want to avoid a DEAMONS, EVERY ORIFICE! situation developing.

>>51505148
The reporter; Oliver Fletcher, was continuing in giving out the report but often kept pausing, trying to contain himself from crying for some reason.

"-Officials are still at the process of gathering the dead and... Identifying them, officials also just said that there are atleast 50 survivors-"

Then he stopped as he answered another call to his ear piece. “What is it now? Speak in a normal tone??? Why am I sobbing!? Alright, ALRIGHT! IT’S MY DAUGHTER, OKAY!? MY DAUGHTER WAS IN DRAO M89 TO VISIT RELATIVES AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF SHE’S INJURED, ALIVE OR WORSE!” The news anchor was already crying at this point and bitterly inquired to the person he’s talking through his ear piece. “PLEASE TELL ME, IS THERE PERSON, A FEMALE NAMED ELIZA FLETCHER THERE!? –WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN’T TELL!? I THOUGHT YOU WERE WORKING WITH FUCKING FARSEERS!?!? I NEED TO KNOW IF MY DAUGHTER IS ALIVE-”

Just then the channel feed cuts off to show a please-standby screen along with the technical difficulties messages. This lasted for about three minutes until the news broadcast resumed, this time featuring another news anchor for the channel.

“Hello ladies and gentlemen. I’m Karla Alvarez, and you are watching and listening to Astral News. Astral News would like to apologize for earlier, as Oliver Fletcher’s daughter; Eliza Fletcher was indeed bound in a trip to Planet Drao M89. The good news is she is alive and has survived the horrendous attack at the space port which the terror act took place, but unfortunately she was caught in the sights of the terrorists and shot at, but lucky to survive. Mister Fletcher will continue to report news live for Astral News. As for the terror act, Imperial and Eldar officials have yet to release full information, in the meantime we will all have to wait till any further updates. So stay tuned.

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>>51505156
The fear of the populace and the need to constantly provide documentation has resulted in a tradition of branding and tattooing the Mark of the Sanctioned on to the forehead. This tradition was started a long time ago by the psychic graduates of their own volition although perhaps in imitation of the Primarch Magnus and his skin ink.

It is hard to say if the Inquisition approves or disapproves of the the tradition of markings. On the one hand any recruits with "talent" that they recruit have to be persuaded to get their skin scrubbed but on the other hand once they do nobody suspects them. In the public imagination and the common media all psychics have markings on them.

There are also traveling psykers of Primaris rank (or equivalent) who wander the Imperium.

They know that the classroom is not suited to many psykers who will run away from the great halls of learning for mundane reason not born of malicious or otherworldly intent. They find them and apprentice them and share their wisdom in the ways of the warp that they might be made safe and a benediction upon society rather than a danger.

Wandering Primaris are seen as half mad and potentially dangerous eccentrics by the more respectable Schola Psykana Primaris. Like the wanderers give a fuck what those tweed inhaling fools think in their dim halls full of discredited books written by dead dimwits. There is considerable tension between the two, to say the least.

The general population sees the Nomad Primaris as some sort of wise old space wizard, gruff around the edges but with good heart. Possibly this is because if a world they are on come under attack they have historically laid down a beating with hellfire and lightning and done the work of a hundred lesser men.

>>51505051
>Considering that she is basically a teenager, she has already done an excellent job in uniting millions of people together under this alliance, despite death threats and even poorly made rape threats against her
>Lofn receiving rape and death threats from human and eldar extremists and rebel separatists

Damn, Lofn's job might be considered soft and cushy by some, but her job has to be equally hectic and hard aswell. Especially for a teenager, damn.

>>51505414
It's helped by her weird ability to generate peace, or at least smother violent thoughts, in her immediate vicinity.

Or it will be by 015M42.

>>51505156
I mean like how they have pyromancy, divination, biomancy, telekinesis, telepathy, santic that kind of stuff.

>>51506440
Most of that stuff was inherent to the individual or as an inherent aptitude so I imagine it's still the same.

>>51503347
>>51505156
>>51505284
>>51506440
>>51506470

There were at least two separate posts on psykers and how the Imperium treats them in previous threads. Reposting them here.

>>51507568
>The Rhetor Imperia didn't mean to build an army. They were teachers, after all. But, as the saying goes, spare the rod, get killed and eaten by daemons spilling forth from the mind of the child...

>The threat of Chaos is still there, and still insidious. For those poor souls 'gifted' with psionic powers, a moment's carelessness could lead to their very soul being torn asunder, and their very flesh rendered into a portal for daemons to slip into the materium to sow terror. The only reprieve is that it is rare for psykers to manifest their abilities before the onset of puberty (But it is still horrifyingly possible for prodigies to manifest earlier). Because this is the Nobledark Imperium, generally speaking lynch mobs and witch hunts are frowned upon. Not that that doesn't happen, but it doesn't have state sponsorship. The Emperor generally prefers murder as a last resort, and done with a degree of professionalism.

>Instead, the issue of psykers is approached more humanely, with agents attempting to identify potentials as young as possible to minimize their chances of causing damage to the Imperium. The approach to this problem was two fold- first, corral all possible problem children into facilities for inspection and safe sequestration until the black ships arise, and secondly, educate the populace (Responsibly) about these dangers, and what to do in case such happens.

>In the name of efficiency, these two functions have been combined into one institution. From birth, all children of the Imperium are supposed to be offered a place in the Schola Vulgus to better themselves and learn proper moral values and skills to serve the Imperium better. The courses range from basic arithmetic to diagnosing warp corruption, from samples of Imperial literature to learning Xenos languages.

>>51507568
>I would say that yes Soul Binding is still a thing as it creates a reason for the Emperor to keep having to return to Earth to create them.

>The Soul Binding could be a procedure that was supposed to link Men of Gold together back in the old Bountiful and Benevolent Terran Empire. Because the Emperor is last surviving MoG to create FTL communications network the procedure was adapted to psychic but otherwise baseline humanity.

>Binding still burns out the ocular nerves in 98% of cases. This is because mere humans can't handle a fire that burns so hot.

>This time the Emperor is not a vegetable or a total cunt. This time he can express his doubt as to whether someone can handle the Binding and survive and reject people accordingly.

>Because there is still a mass immigration/pilgrimage of Psykers to Old Earth the rejects who decide to stay and their descendants have started to build up somewhat in the population. Psychic talent and training is one of Old Earth's exports. Was 2nd to Prospero before the 4th Black Crusade and the place got burned to the ground by angry Chaos Eldar. Much of Prospero's psychic population ended up on Old Earth because they wanted to be among their own kind.

>Black Ships are less hellish. They perform a service to the Imperium and everyone knows it. With the population knowledgeable about the basics of Chaos and the hazards of the Warp few if any psykers resist invitation to the Black Ships. They know that they are going to Earth to be made safe one way or the other and there is little to fear.

>Some of the Craftworlds and planet dwelling Eldar Enclaves also offer basic making your shit safe training as it is in their interest to do so.

>>51507577
>>51507603

So from this and the above posts (am reposter) sounds like psykers are no longer hated, but still feared. And for good reason after all, an untrained psyker is a loaded bomb liable to explode into daemons.

And then of course you have the Hick Planets out in the Space Sticks where witch hunts are common, but these sre the people who couldn't tell an abhuman from a mutant and treat Xenos about the same as the vanilla Imperium.

Old Earth and several other of the psyker-heavy planets, including Prospero when it used to be around, are a bit safer for psykers due to those Prosperan dampening crystals and since this time around Russ didn't burn down Prospero the tech could be exported to the greater Imperium.

>>51507686
Prosperan dampening crystals, or Prosperan Quarts as it is sometimes known, is what happens when you use a chemical solution to grow quartz in a micro-gravity environment whilst keeping the solution in a low intensity psychic field. The process takes about 30 years per crystal.

When the early Imperium came to Prospero no new dampening crystals were being made, the ones in the fortified city of Tizca were either ancient examples or ones salvaged at great risk from nearby ruins of fallen cities. And thy had long ago run out of nearby cities to scavenge.

Due to the need for a micro-gravity environment they needed to be formed no closer than high orbit and due to the need for a constant psychic field then needed to be near constantly tended.

Tizca was under a terrible siege, they had no access to space.

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>>51507603
It's noteworthy that the black ships, like the custodes, remained loyal to and in contact with Oscar during the whole length of the age of apostasy. We've joked that he and Isha were on a tropical paradise world at the time, but in all seriousness it seems like an interesting period of the history of the stewardship, though unimportant to the imperium as a whole. There has also been mention of them following Oscar when he tours the Imperium. Imperium grand tours are at very least decades long undertakings, the diplomatic equivalent to an imperial crusade, involving much of the upper administratum and other powers all piling on their fanciest ships and following along as the royal couple meanders around prominent imperial planets and craftworlds. On top of the capital going on tour and all the support ships that requires, there are the sub fleets that mediate between the ships abroad and all the imperial government infrastructure that has to remain in Sol. The black ships would also be coming and going as the tour progressed, which would probably be conducive to the Schola Psykana going along for the tour as well. This is in addition to the honor guard fleet that shifts by host system, the Imperial Navy cohort, and the massive entourage of local bigwigs making appearances their best rides and adoring subjects that managed to get on shuttlecraft and navigate close enough to maybe see the flagship through a telescope. The grand tour showing up in your home star system means that it becomes the heart of the Imperium sans-golden throne for a few years, everything is made excelent in the immediate vicinity as the sky fills with gleaming lights, the planets are encrusted with jewels, and noble heroes and mystics flit about the world. Eventually things go back to normal, and while Planetary Governor Faustus Maxitron Scippio has an excellent case as to why the Imperial authority vested in him is worth acknowledging, he als has quite the standard to maintain.

Somebody should add the deities list from the start of last thread to the 1d4chan page. I would but don't know how to edit it without messing it up.

>>51507996
The good/finished ones are also probably the size of a small building, which makes them pretty much useless for carrying them around. This is why the Imperium can't just stick a dampening crystal on every major psyker and be done with it.

The crystals are actually from vanilla canon, they're something that Prospero was making by the time the Emperor met Magnus. Of course by that time Magnus had REMOVE PSYCHNEUIEN from Prospero, so they could focus on more than just survival by that point.

>>51508212
The Traveling Court turning up in orbit would also be a boon to any economy. The high ups of the Imperium are rich and spend a lot of money.

Also the Royal Couple's personal coffers usually get emptied into various long term self sustaining projects. Oscar has no personal expensive tastes and Macha is an eldar and they just don't have a cash economy.

The Emperor typically does not make public knowledge of where he is going to visit but the courses of the Grand Tours usually describe enormous loops that start and end at Old Earth so they aren't particularly difficult to predict once they start moving.

Oscar always maintains that the Traveling Court is an important tradition as it shows that the Imperium as a whole is not favouring any one world.

Oddly this is somewhat similar to the way Horus envisioned his idealized version of the Imperium being ruled. When Eldrad pointed this out to Oscar the Emperor replied that he never made idiots primarchs.

>>51508378
I will when we have the chance. We still need the Hive Mind and the Outsider. I can try to do those if the original anon doesn't want to.

>>51508457
Has anything been said thus far about the Outsider?

I'm imagining it as some sort of antithesis of Void Dragon.

>>51509180
>some sort of antithesis of Void Dragon

>god-robot notices its developing a warp presence
>its even become self-aware
>DO NOT WANT
>panics when it can't think its way out of conscious thought
>obliterates the biggest minds that think about it in the greatest detail (the other ascending C'tan) and tries to end their warp presence feedback loop
>by the end of the feuds of the C'tan and the sleep of the Necron star empire the Outsider is back to being almost purely physical, with a negligible warp reflection
>It just stays in its dyson sphere, presumably doing something, trying not to think and instead just being a deific automaton
>but as long as there remains knowledge of something called the Outsider, that dwells within its bounded realm and made war in the ancient past, it's warp presence persists
>so long as memory persists in the Outsider as to what it has done, and the cause it strove for, it is inevitably conscious

>among the illuminated few some propositions have been made
>were it ever to accept its place as the willful slayer of the C'tan and foremost personal power in the material galaxy the Outsider might by providence of the immaterium come to rule the warp in short order
>were it to expire in its lair and that lair later be opened, some unexpected phantom of its legend might emerge, brought from the fully formed specter already coalesced about the unbroken C'tan

>>51510116
I like it. It's an idea trying to erase itself.

>>51508212
>>51508439
writefaggotry on the traveling court/Emperor's Tour incoming. Only partially written.

>>51510901
The Emperor’s Tour never truly stopped, it just paused for a few decades on Terra. A roundabout path that wandered between sector capitals, carting a minimum of support personnel and equipment, leaving inspired citizens and rich stagehands in its wake. People purchased Petition Lottery tickets decades in advance, passing them and their grievances down the generations, hoping their number would come up for a moment of the Emperor’s time. Blood feuds and proxy wars flared up in the shadows when the numbers were drawn, while scheming nobles spent fortunes to manipulate petitioners in their endless wars of position and favor.
Oscar found it Inspiringly Tedious, resting on ship between the month-long stops. The Inquisition and the Arbites watched the brush fires, weeding out the troublemakers who started them. He felt Malcador would have been proud – after all, it was Malcador who told him that when given a hierarchy of power, the corrupt would try to take advantage of it. Anticipate them, set up a situation to draw them out, and then prove that Emperor’s Left Hand is the one they needed to watch out for. Give a few speeches to remind the citizens that he existed, wander into a few parties (okay, so he politely crashed parties) to remind the nobility that he was watching, and deal with the mostly petty petitions that should’ve been dealt with a long time ago (and despite his best efforts, the Hartfeld and MacRoy families were still feuding on their agriworld).
(1/?)

>>51510947
Make some shows of solidarity – the media loved it when he found something to bond with the common man over, like local sports (legend has it the the Base and Ball played in the Amerikon sector started on Old Terra, and it was a lovely sport), trying to work in a manufactorium filled with confusing and kludged together equipment (The workers of Hive Venasin were as confused as he when it came to their equipment), and cooking competitions (He hoped Muma Kantrana’s descendents were as good as she was, because he was looking forward to winning this time). Find some time to soul-bind the Astropaths that found him no matter where he went. Oh, and holding babies. Can’t forget that part.
That was a part he enjoyed. Their tiny minds, still expanding to fit their souls, mostly free of worry and care, filled with endless potential, glowed with pure love and delight at his entertainments. Midwives joked that he should’ve gone into their profession, while maternity ward medicae offered him jobs calming the fussy ones down. He always turned them down with sincere regret. No matter how bad the stop, the babies were always the highlight, reminding him of what he fought for every day.
Sometimes the tour stopped for longer than a month, usually when a situation demanded his attention, usually fighting. He spend those times aiding the armies, never commanding, always advising from the front lines beside the lowliest privates. They found it inspiring, and junior commanders grew into their duties with pride. Well, except for the time on Resonance II, when the local Guard commander sent him back on the Tour by a very simple method: in the middle of the night, the Emperor was towed out of the camp by a Baneblade. “Because, Sir,” the officer explained, “Nothing says ‘get the fuck out of our way’ like a Baneblade. Sir. We’ve got this.”
He made sure that officer had gotten a severely worded promotion.
(2/?)

>>51510947
>>51510958
This was going to be one of the good stops. The Inquisitors of the Calixis Sector has reported alliances of nobles working together to resolve petitions and sponsor others, replacing their chances of advantage with the cause of the common citizen.

That's as far as I got before another inspiration struck. I will finish it.

How are things going is the Emperor married with Isha or he just married her avatar?

>>51510116
This makes me realize that the way we tweak chaos and the warp its more like lite existential horror/comedy with a space opera coating, as opposed to vanilla's shallow cosmic horror derivation.

>>51511180
He is married to Isha.

Macha is Isha's avatar which makes her Isha for intents and purposes in the real world.

>>51511180
As far as I'm aware Macha was Isha's foremost devotee prior to the raid, and when she became Isha's avatar it was something between dinning the mantle of Isha's godhood, becoming a daemon prince(as) of hers, and Isha becoming Macha's soul-equivalent

>>51511256
>>51511350
>Dear?
>Yes.
>Could you do something for me, it's kind of embarassing?
>What is it? Is it sex related?
>Oh no no no, well not entirely, would you... rub...my ears?
>Never understood this part of the Old Ones designs.
>Don't talk just rub it!

>>51511609
Bringing back that old lore.

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>>51511242
That's because a big theme in Vanilla 40k is ORDER vs CHAOS.

Nobledark 40k the main theme that seems to be developing is Civility vs Barbarity.

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>>51484042
>http://pastebin.com/JXGgPE7H
Wrote a short story on how powerful two C'tan vampires against an Inquisitor with retinue loadout should be like.

>>51511858
"I am just a man, constantly building. It's hard, when the universe itself tears down your works, to not just give in. To live only as the moment allows, with no care for what came yesterday or will come tomorrow. But I will not fall to that. I will not go quietly into this dark night, but neither will I lose myself to the darkness. I will not kill the ideals that make me a sapient worthy of defending this Imperium in the hopes that a better person will save us tomorrow. I will build, and I will defend. I will maintain this candle of hope, so it may light others. I will not just hope that a better person comes tomorrow, I will make it so."
-Rekerdo Pocerd, High Chairman of the Church of The Seatwarmer, when asked why he enlisted in the Imperial Guard as a private.

>>51512197
Getting pretty damn good. Just need to clean up your descriptions more so they flow smoothly without making the eye skip over them.

>>51512299
That could also be interpreted as a jab at Oscar and his reluctance to take the Throne.

>>51441824
This took literally forever for me to notice, but...eh, 7/10 filename

>>51513408
Oh fuck you, you fucking cunt. Now I see it. It's been added to the 1d4chan.

>>51513408
>>51513587
Not him, but editfag always filenames the images in his OPs - although this is the first one that I actually got a Sensible Chuckle(TM) out of

First part of my attempt to make the Adepta Sororitas work is up on pastebin
http://pastebin.com/358Y4Q41
This part covers history, and ties into some of my earlier posts.
>>51487661
>>51487731
CSE and COL
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Working on OrgChart.

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>>51509180
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Void Dragon guy (a.k.a. Khanfag) here. Had a few spitballed ideas for the Outsider but decided not to say anything since there is so little about him in canon. Do what you will with them (Read: Take whatever you find cool).

According to canon, the Outsider is one of three C’tan, along with the Nightbringer and the Deciever, to come out top when the C’tan started cannibalizing each other. However, the screaming of the devoured C’tan shards in his mind reputedly caused him to go insane and grow a conscience, and he stormed off to go sulk in a Dyson sphere. As a result, unlike the Nightbringer and the Deciever, the Outsider was never shattered into shards.

As a result, if the Void Dragon decides to throw its lot in with the Imperium, it’s possible (possibly in a “best of all worlds” kind of way) that he could convince the Outsider to do the same. This is assuming Void Dragon doesn’t just decide to throw logic out the window and throttle his sibling in revenge for what he did to him before hearing that his sibling has had a change of heart.

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Unlike the Void Dragon and Nightbringer, the Outsider has no presence in the Warp. The Outsider isn’t widely known by the galaxy at large and isn’t really tied to any emotion. No worshippers = no warp signature. The Lyrixian Dyson Sphere was probably only discovered in the last century or so and the Inquisition still hasn’t realized what’s in it. In some ways the Void Dragon’s claim is full of shit; the Outsider is the last true, unadulterated C’tan.

Void Dragon doesn’t know that his brother still exists, and either doesn’t know about or doesn’t count the Nightbringer (sharding means you’re basically dead by his standards). Voidy can’t lie, but he can be mistaken. Outsider showing up would be out of left field to everywhere.

Outsider’s agenda is completely unknown in canon. He could agree with the Void Dragon that there is something in life worth preserving. He could try to slaughter his remaining siblings for being “deformed” in his mind. He could just go back to eating suns like the C’tan used to do. Literally the only other thing that is known about him is he has the tendency to make people go nuts (that is, more than the other C’tan).

In contrast to Ol’ Voidy, who is a giant chrome space dragon, I kind of envisioned the Outsider as having a more humanoid appearance. A giant metal warrior to go with the giant metal dragon.