Huh, turns out Micheal Straczynski looked into doing about the same thing a couple years back. He wanted to reimagine Star Trek completely as a "character driven hard science fiction" series. Interesting.

>>51526278

Something something sexuality, religion, bodily autonomy, racial tension, economic concerns, religious/ideological extremism, and uncertainity in the face of changing technology.

Frankly it's the one thing I despise about Star Trek how the humans are somehow above all of those things somehow. You can't convince me that someone won't try to lie, cheat, steal, and kill their way to a position they want or that people can't be petty assholes or that every human somehow falls in line without question. The last part gets me because so much could have been done with the Maki but instead they are made out to be misguided humans who had to be show the light of truth that is the Federation.

That and how under used the Borg are just making them stupid evil all encompassing force.

>>51526278
Hyperisolationist aliens who built a giant Dyson Sphere around their planet and ignore the suffering of other races in their section of galactic space, claiming that their humanitarian crises are not their problem.

Hypercolonial aliens who inadvertently cripple the development of the species around them and destroy their culture with excessively paternalistic policy.

Given the current attitudes American progressive politics, I'd expect basically all the villains to be caricatures of non-progressive (or insufficiently progressive) Americans. Any aliens representing hostile foreigners will be either basically innocent, decent people driven to extremism by the evil less-progressive Americanoids or really unambiguous copies of Nazi Germany or the CSA.

About half of actual ST already fits this mould.

>>51528756
Except that the Federation is already idealized America.

The Borg would've been more frightening if they'd remained a cautionary tale about becoming too reliant on technology, as this cryptic, almost Lovecraftian race that cares for nothing but and dispassionately tears the implants of the corpses of their dead rather than that bizarre communist collective shtick. They sure would've fit better nowadays.

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>>51526278
Space nazi autistic humanoid frogs who believe in ouija

>>51528713
It's why we needed the Cardassians to be the Anti-Federation instead of Nazi-Romans in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!!!!

The UFP see primitives and they spy on them because that's their fetish and let them die rather than help them because muh cosmic plan.

The Cardies see a primitive society on a planet and they conquer them, uplift them and make them a functioning part of the Cardassian Empire with all the benefits that it brings. After recuperating the costs from the conquered for the military expenditure of the conquering. They try to let them keep as much of their culture as is compatible with the Empire because it would be boring if shit was all the same and no Empire needs boredom.

The long term feud with the Bjorans could have been because they were the first people that encountered with their ever expanding border that already had FTL travel. Even if it was only applicable to sibbely-wobbely-spacial effects in nearby systems to allow sails. The problem is that the costs to be recuperated kept going up because the Bjorans kept fighting back and it all went into a shit loop and lots of bitterness happened.

Instead we got Spess Nazis vs Spess Israel (but pretending they're the good guys).

Or that's just my view.

>>51528751
>building a dyson sphere around a planet
>a planet
>not a sun
>a planet

The hilarious thing is I can see the Americanian Empire trying to do this then high fiving each other and knocking back beers as they unwittingly doom their race through spectacular stupidity.

>>51528850
Fine, a mesh net or some shit. Just give me my low-effort "build the wall" joke.

>>51528850
>Finally! No longer shall we ever need to suffer those goddamn Mexicanian immigrants
>Waaaaaitaminute, where did all the sunlight go?
>I BET THE RUSSIANOIDS ARE BEHIND THIS

Too bad they already resolved the Israeli Palestinian conflict on Bajor.

>>51526278
A race of depressive amphibians that worship a random number generator and reproduce asexually.

They are vehemently opposed to sexual reproduction, especially cross species reproduction. They are both afraid of and enraged by the existence of women, who they believe rob the opposite gender of their ability to asexually reproduce.

Their primary battle tactic is to try and crash their ships into the Enterprise while broadcasting on all frequencies that they are the victims.

>>51529133
>Captain, we've attempted hailing the Kekian ship on all bands, but something seems wrong with the communications array.
>What seems to be the problem, T'nak?
>Unknown, captain. All we're able to receive in return is an incomprehensible shriek, likely of biomechanical origin.... Wait, the computer's managed to translate part of it. Listen to this:
>"*kkcchchchh REEEEEEEE NORMIES GET OUT REEEEEEEEE kcchhhchh*"
>I believe they are hostile, captain. We should proceed with caution.

>>51529133
You know, some of the boards actually have fucked up cultures of their own so cohesive they actually might work as Star Trek Species of the Week. Imagine an alien civilization representing /tg/. Or /d/. Or /fit/. Or /pol/

>>51529310

Technically this has been done in Eclipse Phase already where board culture literally expanded into the creation of a Scum Swarm where each ship embodied the cultures of the various boards to some degree.

>>51529310
>a race based on /lit/
Jesus Christ, how horrible.

>>51526278
>If Star Trek were to be invented nowadays, with the same principle but no previous background to adhere to, what alien civilizations and strange phenomena might the Federation encounter, and what real-world issues would they represent?

Migrants, terrorists, and conflicting views on how to handle these. Destabilization of the established trade agreements and conflicting opinions on what constitutes the best governmental system and whether following the popular opinion is necessarily the right call to make or not. Culturally there'd be some sort of anti-vulcan race in center field, one that places more value to emotionalism than intellect. They wouldn't necessarily hate science, but they'd be more inclined to build their logic around opinions and feelings than fact. I have no clue how they'd function as a species though. Perhaps the ruling class of the species purposefully support a system of ignorance to drive their empire.

The primary conflict of the show would be trying to make the right calls in a world where no matter what you do, you'll end up pissing someone off.

Thank god I don't write Star Trek or get involved in politics. I'd be shit at both

>>51528790
Because even liberal progressive americans are egolatric imperialist shits, just in a different way.

I think a Star Trek written today would definetly have more inward focus. You only see the humans of the Federation filtered through the lens of the ship and not the average joe back in the solar system.

I want to see what people in the federation are like when they don't have to worry about keeping up apperances or rather doing their best to make sure the apperance is maintained as well as dealing with criminals smugglers and the likes moving goods that you can't or are fobidden to make in replicators and the occasional nutcase who's spent to much time in the holodeck and can no longer tell the difference between reality and fantasy.

>>51528751
>claiming that their humanitarian crises are not their problem.

The moral doesnt work when they're literally from another planet because then they'll be right. It is not their problem what happens to a different species on another planet. Space is bloody huge man

You have to make them share the planet with another species for thay moral to work out.

>>51529746
>It is not their problem what happens to a different species on another planet. Space is bloody huge man
Tell that to the Federation

>>51528756
>because current american issues/politics/news are absurdly flanderized you should roleplay them at face value because you are such a smart individual who is above it all

>>51529681
You don't see Earth because a post-scarce world would be a living hell due to overpopulation. Avoiding overpopulation would require either godly levels of self discipline, or some other draconian means to force people to not just pump out kids. Don't forget, niggers exist in this post-scarce world.

>>51529746
Maybe said hyperisolationists used to have extra-planetary colonies, and then just straight-up abandoned them when they decided to become navel-gazing isolationists.

Maybe they strip-mined/did some other bad shit to the planet in the past, and when the long-term consequences of that rolled around, they just shrugged and said "not our problem, we're isolationists now."

Maybe power comes with a responsibility to help the less powerful and unfortunate.

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>>51529828

I know right? It's any wonder Beverly Crusher managed to make her way through starfleet academy when she's constantly being assualted by Nigger dicks and forced to have her son watched her be used so he learns his proper place as a useless cuck in this utopian society..

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>>51529883
>Maybe power comes with a responsibility to help the less powerful and unfortunate.
No it doesn't.

>>51529828
>He hasn't watched any of the fucking series
>Kekian transmission blast

>>51529361
what's wrong with /lit/?

>>51529828
Demographic Transition theroy would tell you that you're wrong. It works like this.

1. Preindustrial: Poor food and medicine cause a high death rate, forcing families to have have huge families to offset death rate.
2. Industrialization: Rapid improvements to food and medicine starts to offset deathrate and increase birthrate.
3.Birthrates fall due to contraceptions, increase in living standards and the increase in wages as well has a general overall increase of education of the population.

You know the UN actually predicted that the twelfth billion human will never be born because of the declining birthrate. The reason why we continue to see climbing birthrates in parts of the world is because those are mostly underdeveloped shitholes. If /pol/ really wanted to keep immigrants out of their borders they could try helping out the other countries so they won't see the need to migrate.

>>51528850
America has many of the most well funded humanitarian projects in the world though, also the whole thing with having troops and bases in most countries. I don't think you quite understand world politics fully, my friend.

>>51529681

Personally, I'd like to follow around a Federation News crew. they take a civilian ship from sector to sector, and different teams focus on different stories- one covers inter-species relations and colony-homeworld dynamics, another works the latest Scientific breakthroughs, a third deals with local politics and opinion survey pieces, a fourth does obscure and often controversial investigative reporting, and the last does all the off the wall fluff pieces like Cooking and Tourism.

>>51526278
Captain Pollock of the USS Morpheus goes renegade when Borg "refugees" begin flooding federation space and the Captain is branded a racist when he tries to stop them. The series revolves around his adventures. Some ideas:

A feminist alien posing as a college professor mind controls all the women on the crew forcing them to be rude and obese.

Captain Pollock must kill a reanimated Karl Marx and his army of genetically engineered numales.

When the Morpheus falls into a wormhole the crew meet and befriend an ancient god of chaos.

The crew must uncover a vast Ferengi conspiracy to genocide humanity.

Doctor Pence must find a cure for a liberal homosexual virus that is ravaging a planet.

Black op teams from various galactic powers attempt to destroy the Morpheus when the Chief Science Officer discoverers evidence that galactic warming is a hoax.

Captain Pollock agrees to help a charismatic rebel to free his world from the oppressive Federation and restore sovereignty to the world's parliament.

The crew is sent back in time and ends up on ancient Earth in the middle of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar.

The Morpheus finds a planet of primitive aliens who centuries ago found a copy of the quran and have become Muslim. The crew must decide whether to let them destroy each other in holy war or save them from Islam.

So much potential.

>>51531227
>The Morpheus

Okay, I kek'd.

>>51528814
God the borg had some cool tech though. The first time their ship started regenerating was a great moment.

>>51526719
>Huh, turns out Micheal Straczynski looked into doing about the same thing a couple years back. He wanted to reimagine Star Trek completely as a "character driven hard science fiction" series. Interesting.

Babylon 5? Problem is that JMS was too far up his own ass and doubled down on Tolkien and preachyness. He already was up his own pretentious ass writing on Captain Power.

>>51526278
>to make alien cultures and mysterious galactic phenomena represent issues which concerned the people of the time
You mean all of sci-fi?

>>51526278
Space Qutbism:

The fundamentalists of a desert planet religion seek to bring all in the universe to the light of [insert deity] (bring all people under the governance of states which rule by the political system outlined by their religion).

They conduct Jihad in order to effect this.

Space North Korea:

The crew encounter a planet on which there are a few mega nations. One such mega nation (the smallest of them) is the home to an autocratic hereditary regime which relies on handouts from the other states. The expy North Korea is extremely insular ethnically, linguistically, and informationally. They convince the population of their state that in fact they are propping up the world which is a post apocalyptic nightmare. The surrounding mega states don't want to deal with the economic fall out from having to deal with a sudden influx of refugees from Not North Korea. Suddenly the regime of Not North Korea is ramping up their sabre rattling and it seems like there might actually be a war. This is when the crew arrives in Not North Korea and are accused of being spies.

>>51526278
>>51528713
>>51528751
>>51529577
>>51529681
>>51529828
There is no way to update Star Trek. Fundamentally, Star Trek was about decent people from a decent civilization running around the galaxy doing vaguely altruistic things for idealistic reasons. Nobody believes in that shit anymore. Nobody would buy a vision of the future in which humanity actually fixes many of its major social and political problems. Quoting these posts as evidence.

>>51533368

If anything, the apperance of the Federation being this idealistic and enlightened society would start to show cracks with people who truly and honestly believe in it and those who are cynical of it with the various conflicts only widening the cracks until something breaks.

I would love to see a good chunk of humanity break away from the Federation and make people really rethink their values.

>>51533368
A modernized Star Trek would be about confronting the ill-guided Utopianism of the original series and admitting that the Federation is an imperfect system like any other. You'd need to do that before addressing any modern political topic.

>>51533435
>I would love to see Star Trek not be Star Trek

Fixed that for you.

>>51533475
A series wherein some of the tenets of the Federation were examined and modified in some way to conform to more modern sensibilities is fine. But there should never be a doubt that the Federation's fundamental ideals are basically good.

Other Sci-Fi settings can get gritty and realistic; the entire point of Star Trek is that it's supposed to be a future you actually want to live in, where life is genuinely better. Changing that means changing the most fundamental premise of the series.

I'm not opposed to such stories in general. In fact I quite enjoy them. But they don't belong in Star Trek.

>>51528841
>>>/pol/

One thing people forget about Humans in the Federation is that we MESSED UP HARD.

World War 3 happened, with nukes, and then the genetic Supermen clones came out of their holes and made war with what is left of Humanity. People in Star Trek learned that all these preventive weapons are likely to be used and that's why the Federation is the way it is.

Gene Roddenberry also served in the Air Force during World War 2. It was brought up in another thread that was the reason the crew is treated the way it is.

You didn't hear about Discovery?

Anyway, a good number of TNG episodes dealt with a surprising number of issues I would see as being pretty modern. I think you might not realize how far back certain issues go, since some are generally only talked about in the mainstream now due to certain events or the internet.

Also, nobody said that the humans in Trek were above those things. There is still crime, even on the homeworld. Individual humans are still bad. Even Starfleet top-brass exemplify this at times.

It's the idea that humanity, our collective society, has evolved and "grown up" enough to even have a collective society.

We just don't fight about race or gender or resources anymore, that's all. At least amongst other humans.

Racism, towards other species, still exists. Even fucking Picard himself openly stereotypes and shows disdain for Ferengi.

Starfleet will try to manouevre minority groups to obtain some of the only resources that still matter.

I don't see it as the Trek aliens necessarily representing issues of the time, although that is still true in many cases. Rather, I think they represent aspects of humanity that still need scrutiny.

>>51529994
Someone show this man the screencap. You know the one.

>>51533924

well i sure as hell don't. seconded. show this screencap.

>>51533924
>>51533977

> They've never seen the screencap of the time /lit/ took a shit all over the literal personification of innocence while destroying the dream of a woman who just wanted to share her thoughts on the books she loves

Consider yourselves lucky

>>51533999
>>51533977
It might be the worst thing I've seen on any board.

Even with that aside, they're pretentious circlejerkers.

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>>51533924
Here you go.

>>51533999
>>51534019
o.O
now I've even more curious

>>51534027

OH WHAT THE HELL /LIT/?!?

now I'm glad I never followed through with reviewing a book idea with them.

>>51534027

Good Sweet Christ...

>>51529828
Found the /pol/-tard.

>>51534027
Poor girl didn't deserve that.

>>51533058
> space jihad

It's called Dune. ;)

Here's my idea for your Traveller Trek.

Make the ship be a Rapid Response unit. The crew is Doctors and Geneticists and Engineers, educated people with hope in their eyes to make the Universe a better place. Remember that Star Fleet is hard to get into, so even the newest recruit is highly trained and capable, this is important.

Expand a bit on that notion that the Federation doesn't like messing with underdeveloped planets by, ironically, sending the crew to just such places to deal with problems.

Make it big stuff. They have to knock a meteor/comet off course so that it doesn't hit the planet, but anyone with two eyes and a telescope will know it happened, wat do? Maybe while checking in on an observation satellite, they detect nuclear launches and are forced to intervene.

As for modern things to deal with, there's lots of stuff. Rampant pollution caused by a popular item, or even a drug, threatens a whole planet. Maybe they stop off at some aliumz space station, only for both the bureaucratic mess and the alium governments hardness making everything harder on the crew. Perhaps they check in on some planet's internet but are inundated with 'alternative facts', and you could make a joke where something one of the players is familiar with finds an alternative fact about and every attempt to correct it gets the same accusations and words both SJWs and /pol/ uses.

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>>51528756
This. Outside the bubble, we'd see a narrative of a large empire infiltrated at high levels by foreign traitors of a radical ideology propagandizing supporters with an illusive utopian egalitarianism that would realistically result in a totalitarian dictatorship, only held back by an old contingent of idealistic order that's quickly outbred by successive generations of the indoctrinated.

A strategy of demoralization should've lead towards total subjugation of the population, except an unexpected rebel faction had arisen, spawned out of an information revolution from a new technology - one made resilient by an entirely decentralized command power and a sensitivity to forgotten spiritual energy that has the power to awaken otherwise placated subjects. Just when all seemed lost, the war between good and evil, order and chaos, was renewed once again. And after a lightning-fast blitzkrieg fiercely fought on the side of the rebels, victory seemed at hand.

Yet, a dark force is lurking in the shadows of the galaxy, patiently observing it all. A force of corruption of which the traitorous radicals were only one arm. An ancient evil the rebels are only distantly aware of, heard in rumors and whispers. The war is much older than they know, and the stakes much deeper.

>>51533709
>World War 3 happened, with nukes, and then the genetic Supermen clones came out of their holes and made war with what is left of Humanity.

Order of that is wrong. It's actually:

- Eugenics Wars, 1992 to 1996. This is the one Khan Singh is from. It was a nuclear war, and 30 million people died. The Augments died but eugenics persisted in some form.

- General spread of eugenics and breakdown of international diplomacy from 1996 to 2030 or so.

- World War 3, 2026 to 2053. 600 million humans died and every major city in the world was reduced to ruins.

- Post-Atomic Horrors, from 2053 to the early 22nd century. Human society slowly rebuilt itself from World War 3, but a lot of the world was in a state of total anarchy during this time, resembling Mad Max.

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>>51529133
>being this buttblasted another board stole your presidential GET

>>51534344
Thanks.

I hope OP reads this, because almost every thread I see for Star Trek has someone come in and throw the usual junk around without knowing about all the bad stuff that led up to the Federation.

Star Trek is pretty grim and dark, but it's also about people rising above it.

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>>51534244
>what is ironic posting
The more new and normalfag you reveal yourself to be, the more I want to come down your throat.

>>51528713
>Frankly it's the one thing I despise about Star Trek how the humans are somehow above all of those things somehow.
Star Treck is all about showing an optimistic future where humanity has gotten over their stupid bullshit and entered better future.
That's kinda big part of the point. Sure, it's somewhat simplistic, but sometimes, often and especially these days, we need some simple optimism in our lives.

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>"We hate Islam"
>Next episode
>"We're completely unaware of the irony of condeming Islam and the people who hate Islam.

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>>51534027
>SoundsofSilence intensifies

>>51528713

The whole point of star trek was it's the "good ending" for history.

Humanity overcomes it's bullshit prejudices, greed, ignorance and things turn out well.

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>>51534027

What the fuck man.

>>51534027
Bloody hell.

>>51534705
>Humanity overcomes it's bullshit prejudices, greed, ignorance and things turn out well.

And pixies make the flowers grow.

>>51534428
Star Trek's *backstory* is pretty grim and dark. Trek itself is emphatically not, however, and it's a fundamental mistake to make it so.

>>51534947
It's the thing that sets the franchise apart from every other Sci-Fi space opera out there. You don't like it, fine, you don't have to watch it. But it's not something that's going to change. It'd be like having a StarGate series without a real StarGate in it, and we all remember how well THAT turned out, don't we?

The answer is "cancelled before two seasons were out, and rightly so, for trying too hard to be NuBSG", if you're curious

>>51526278
Let's see what I can come up with.

>The United Federation of Planets
- At the center of it you've got America/The United Federation of Planets. You said the same principle, so the principle here is that The Federation is basically a force for good in the world, and while it has its problems, there is nothing wrong with its fundamental nature.
- The Federation has an illegal migrant problem. The migrants mostly come from the corrupt state near the Federation and are looking for jobs and opportunities not available in their home nation. Some members of the Federation see the migrants as a threat, despite the fact that they in fact comprise only a small trickle of people.
- There are several factions that view the Federation and its ways unfavorably for various reasons, and occasionally carry out terror attacks against it. These have a negligible effect in terms of infrastructure or deaths, but are highly publicized, leading to the popular conception that they are far more dangerous than they really are.
- In the recent past, the Federation emerged triumphant from a decades-long cold war with a foreign power. As a result of this cold war, the Federation maintains an abnormally high military budget, despite no longer needing it.
- The Federation was formed by the federal union of a number of separate interstellar nations, of which humans form a plurality but not a majority. Different political factions within the Federation have different agendas. All want what is best for the Federation, but have different ideas of what that means. None of them are "bad guys"; however one faction is slowly sliding towards demagoguery and fear-mongering.
- In spite of all of this, there is a fundamental motto you should keep in mind: "There is nothing wrong with the Federation that cannot be fixed by what is right with the Federation."

NEXT: The Interstellar Alliance

>>51535192
>The Interstellar Alliance
- A political and economic union of a number of worlds. Taken as a whole they are actually richer, stronger, and more influential than the Federation, but each individual member still has significant sovereign and unilateral authority that prevents them from working together with the same efficiency as the Federation.
- The Alliance as a whole is basically bankrolled by four major members:
- - The Seig, once a militaristic species that was at war with most of the Alliance, but since then have become much more democratic and focused on economy;
- - The Rana, former competitors of the Seig and the Albhi both, noted for their cultural achievements;
- - The Reimani, who have large internal corruption problems and are the weakest of the four major Alliance members;
- - The Albians, who are more of a state in free association with the Alliance and were once the most powerful nation in known space. Noted for their mercantile power and frequent threats of leaving the Alliance.
- There are a number of smaller nations within the Alliance as well. They have an old collective history of fighting one another but were, ironically, mostly unified by the war the Seig started, against the Seig.
- The Alliance is facing a similar illegal migrant and terrorist problem as the Federation, but from a difference source, and their more divided nature means that the Alliance has a harder time coming up with a solution to it.
- The Alliance is also facing economic trouble as some of the smaller nations are effectively bleeding the larger nations of currency.

NEXT: The Confederacy of Independent Systems

>>51535286
>The Confederacy of Independent Systems
- A terribly misnamed interstellar nation, the CIS is a hegemony controlled by a species called the Ruus. While it has a number of other species within it, these are decidedly secondary citizens to the "Great Ruus", who hold all the real power.
- Was once a major power in known space, but lost a cold war to the Federation. However since that time it has been building up its military and economy and has started tentatively expanding again.
- Despite modernizing its starfleet, the Ruus still lag behind both the Federation and the Alliance in terms of wages and living standards. The Ruus depend very heavily on trading raw material goods, such as dilithium and tritanium, rather than having advanced post-scarcity economies.
- Nevertheless, they ARE militarily powerful, arguably the second-strongest nation in space after the Federation (and discounting the Alliance as really being a number of smaller sovereign nations than a single big one).
- The Ruus have, however, gotten big into cybertronic warfare. They have also been historically very good at infiltrating spies into other nations (natural shapeshifters, perhaps?)
- The Ruus actually control the largest space nation in terms of astronomy, but much of it comprises dead stars with dead worlds. Theoretically there is immense material wealth available within the CIS, but Ruus governing and bureaucratic practices mean that they have never been able to properly exploit them.

How do you Star Trek gamergate?

How about an extremely advanced race of autistic psychedellic bee people who invade other planets by sending in an ecology they biologically created?

>>51535192
>>51535286
>>51535334
Alright, I think I got most of these.

Now, how would you direct the show if you were the show runner? Why is the crew going around to all these world's?

>>51535362
A lot of it was information control and censorship right? Have the crew trying to fix something that no one can disagree is a problem, but they can't get the right information because they are being given conflicting information from two or more groups. At the end, show that if people had just done the right thing from the beginning, the harm from the problem Star Fleet was trying to fix could have been reduced even further.

>>51535405
I don't understand this one.

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>>51535103
>stargate without stargate

hey fuck you, Universe had finally found its wings. had they not gone super hard with the personnel drama in the beginning it would have found its way sooner

>mfw there is a real possibility of the Marty version of Stargate being made with a younger, hipper feel where Teal'c calls daniel 'whitebread'

>the science officer is a "transvulcan" who had their ears surgically elongated because they always felt vulcan

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>>51535449
>Now, how would you direct the show if you were the show runner? Why is the crew going around to all these world's?

Well, the thing is that Star Trek is about...Trekking. I wouldn't be going to these worlds. These are just factions back home and their situations that serve as a backdrop for when Our Heroes arrive at an unexplored planet. Perhaps an Alliance or Confederated ship is already there or on its way, for example, doing its own thing.

Alternatively, I had an idea for a Trek series set post-VOY, and actually post-STO. The basic idea *here* was that, through no fault of its own (it makes sense in context), the Federation collapsed for 200 years. The series is then about Our Heroes trying to rebuild the Federation, perhaps bigger and better than before.

Basically I took the idea for two never-launched Star Trek series - The Final Frontier, and Federation - mixed them together, stole the title for one of them, but then added the thing they were both missing, which was the fundamental sense of optimism.

I think I'll talk about that now; if you're interested you can feel free to steal it and change some names around.

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>>51535528
God I love STO, for its character editor if nothing else.

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>>51526278
I, personally, would probably throw in something about how ridiculously binary American politics are these days.

Either there are two factions within the not-Federation, or within a nearby civilization, or maybe make it two civilizations that hate each other. Whatever it is, their squabbling semi-frequently endangers the Federation and it's interests.

I might also toss in something about how Russia is getting aggressive again, iirc Russia was the Klingons in TOS so perhaps some version of them.

Also terrorism of some flavor, of course. Depending on how grim you want this to be, though, it may be tough to pull off without darkening the mood. Perhaps go less for the terrorism aspect and more the Islamic extremist aspect?

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>>51534319
>literally 'waking' the sheeple as plot
Never write.

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>>51535643
(forgot to make a Romulan 28th Century uniform!)

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>>51535664
And the final one I'll be posting.

(I also forgot to do 28th Century Alliance uniforms!)

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By the way, what I'd planned for seasons:

>Season 1
Starts a few years after the end of the Omega Event around Alpha Centauri; the USS Excelsior launches as a diplomatic/exploration cruiser. This season is mostly just about establishing the current status quo. The "New Federation" consists of Tellar and Alpha Centauri. A few additional worlds are added, but the New Federation also "loses" some potential worlds to, for example, the Andorians. Season 1 ends with a two-parter concerning the Prime Directive and how it should be handled on a planet.

>Season 2
Essentially more of Season 1, but willing to shake things up a bit. Hints of Section 31 still being in existence are dropped. The "chaos in the Klingon Empires" (plural) is mentioned. The New Federation expands a bit.

>Season 3
The Korvat Klingons apply for Federation membership, and shit hits the fan all over the place. The Andorians don't want the Federation growing that large that fast. The Qo'noS Klingons refuse to allow the "annexation" of what they consider systems in exile. The Yov'bat Klingons are egging the Qo'noS ones on, looking for war. And Section 31 rears its ugly, hideous head, trying to basically get the Klingons to launch into a war of mutual extermination. The season ends with the Excelsior's crew stopping said war and permanently dissolving Section 31, but not before the Excelsior is destroyed. The Korvat Klingons do get Federation membership in the end, as might the Vulcans.

I actually have plans for Seasons 4-7, too, but I think I'll hold onto those.

>>51532868

>You mean all of sci-fi?
This is why I hate sci-fi and enjoy fantasy more.
If I want to know or debate real life issues, the Internet is available and so is my friends whom I can invite for an outing. An author who have to hide his/her opinions behind fiction is more worthless than theirs.

Fantasy is more towards fun and sheer epic adventure which I prefer more. The additional fact that they spent less time on pointless fictional lore dump is a side bonus.

>>51535192
>>51535286
>>51535334
That's the most blatant ripoff in all the history of sci-fi. Why do you even need to make it about space instead of the real world at this point?

>>51535640
Don't worry, they just join a pseudo-rebellion run on a network under control by the same infiltrators inside the empire, sheeple that they are. One of the major battlegrounds of the war was fought between the empire and the rebellion for memetic control over these pseudo-rebels, the latter in the direction of a self-destructive radicalization, the former towards simple self-destruction.

>>51526278

Insidious aliens that destroy their planets and flee as refugees, but when they arrive they push the boundaries of acceptable behaviour and destabilize the planets with anti-social (criminal) behaviour, and they can not be kicked out because that violates some intergalactic humanitarian laws.

>>51536108
How very insightful.

>>51536335

It's very topical, and better than space hippies.

>>51528713
You are a self absorbed jerk, anon.

Not everyone is a self absorbed jerk like you, anon. If you can't go past your basest nature, don't suppose that everyone can't.

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>>51534027

>Space Migrant Crisis is already a thing. The bajorans already canonically encountered a civilization of desperate invaders who would be polite about it, but would be invading anyway regardless of what the bajorans wanted and all the politeness would mean is that there would be minimal violence from the skrreea as long as the bajorans didn't resist getting invaded. The bajorans dealt with them appropriately.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Skrreea

>>51529828
Did you somehow miss the easy space travel, post-scarcity replicator technology and uninhabited Class-M planets everywhere? Just go colonizing once the already inhabited planets get too crowded.

>>51536335

It's just as good as the Merica-ay, Uropean Union-ay, Ussiray stuff pitched earlier.

>>51536701
Not very?

>>51536769

Precisely.

It's lazy, ham-handed, and earnest, just like Trek.

>>51526278
It exists already, watch Deep Space 9.

>>51536797
That was the Arab-Israeli Conflict In SPACE.

>>51537209
And it's STILL relevant.

>>51534027
Jesus christ I knew /lit/ was bad (mostly at literary criticism) but...

BAWGAWD KING THAT WOMAN HAS A FAMILY!

>>51534027
I genuinely feel upset now. This is why we can't have nice things.

>>51526278
>If Star Trek were to be invented nowadays, with the same principle but no previous background to adhere to, what alien civilizations and strange phenomena might the Federation encounter, and what real-world issues would they represent?

Well, lets see.

A lot of the issues raised by Star Trek are actually pretty timeless, because the years move on but human nature and its problems don't really change much. This is why the franchise has endured like it has.

But if you wanted more specific, 'in the now' issues to raise in a Trek-esq game, my suggestions would be the following:

A once great star-empire that is slowly regressing. Where once it was expanding and advancing, now it is obsessed with defending what it has against threats real and imagined. The populace is driven by fear and easily provoked, a habit that is encouraged and exploited by its rulers to slowly dismantle the reforms and institutions that allowed the empire to become great in the first place. They are intensely distrustful of outsiders, to the point of implicitly assuming that foreigners are invaders or criminals until proven otherwise (and such proof is always suspect). Paint them as a tragedy: a power that could have become something like the federation, except they willingly pulled a u-turn and went back into the dark ages instead of forward.

>>51540503

A corporate dystopia world where they intentionally avoid space travel because they don't want to compete with offworld markets. There is a government, but all of the governance is an act of theater as it has no real power since everyone who works as a 'politician' is also a high ranking executive for one of the many corporate states. Lack of regulation means that quality is second to economy. Lawsuits against the corporations for deadly or toxic flaws in their products or services have no legal grounding, as all of the regulations and protections have been stripped out of the law long ago, so products are only as durable and safe to use as is bare-minimum required to compete with the faulty and dangerous products sold elsewhere. The difference between rich and poor is an incredibly stark contrast, with little middle ground.

A world where social media has been woven into the government, such that people around the world get to vote in real time instantly. Distortion of facts and memes as truth are rampant, and incredibly important issues are purposefully distilled into misleading and overly simple 'good bad' decisions so that people with click to vote immediately and never think about it again, with few actually understanding what they are voting for or having the context for what such a decision means. The result being that world changing decisions are driven not by information and debate, but controversy and entertainment value.

Klingons were Russians, Romulans were Chinese, Ferengi were rapacious capitalists: who would be the next big bad evil aliens and what would they represent?

>>51540538

If Sexism and Racism didn't find their way in there i would eat a dick. We all know that startrek was often hyper liberal. they literally had episodes on the evils of religion, it'd just be American left wing politics on space steroids.

>>51540538
How do you do space Radical Islam?

>>51534947
>sci-fi series dares to be different from real life
stop the presses

>>51540602
Weren't the Maquis already space terrorists?

>>51540564
I think Enterprise did some episodes on that.

>>51540667
They were Native American space terrorists. Not remotely halal.

>>51540681

if you count the data episodes and and the whole space slavery thing with the holograms in voyager, then yes, they absolutely did. Can't think of sexism examples though. I'm sure it's in there somewhere....

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>>51529883
>Maybe power comes with a responsibility
fuck off spidey
your life is shit which is proof enough that your moral is terrible

>tries to uses super power resposibly and help people
>sells his marriage to the devil

>>51540708
TNG (IIRC) had an episode about a race of hermaphrodites out to deliver a message about sexism. Or was it about transgenderism? One of the hermaphrodites wanted to become a full time man or woman or something and ironically of course their own culture condemned them as freaks.

>>51540708
The Ferengi don't give their women rights and act disgusted by the thought of other races letting their women wear clothes

>>51540740
>>51540743

Alright these both qualify. well they covered all of their bases.

..wait, was there a pro choice episode?

>>51540756
I can't remember any, but I'm sure there was.