As promised:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15l7gZMZuRqdQOGmReNFcTxKyhzWNzCyZcFdcHpjTLVY

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>>53449465
>Commies
DROPDROPDROPDROP

Also, to get down to business. We're voting on this post.

Who do you see as warmaster? Rokuten or Malcador?

>>53449540
Rokuten. It would feel a little weird to have only two of the three warmasters be primarchs when we're going for that whole "Three way brother war" angle. I've no problems with Malcador being somehow involved with the separatists, but I don't think he should be the official warmaster

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>>53449515
Also:
>Ogre Legion.jpg
>>53449465
Okay, I'm telling you right now, these guys are pretty much the Silver Cataphracts. Like, the only difference is their Primarch is a worker instead of a king.
>>53449540
A better question is did Malcador lead the Secession or did someone else, namely Rokuten but pretty much anybody else would do?

>>53449540
Like I said before, Rokuten should be war leader, Malcador should be a major civilian leader, if not the primary civilian leader (up until whenever he actually dies).

I would like to add I still believe Malcador should secretly be an Imperial double agent.

Vote for Rokuten with Malcador as the puppeteer.

>>53449465
Reverse the color scheme, add in gold helmets for veterans, blue helmets for chaplains

>>53449598
>Okay, I'm telling you right now, these guys are pretty much the Silver Cataphracts. Like, the only difference is their Primarch is a worker instead of a king.
Actually, I may take that back. It's kind of hard to avoid stepping on the toes of the other two AUs, and their strategy is pretty much what anybody would use for space Russians.

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>>53449678
Better?

>>53449765
Yes.

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>>53449791
>>53449678
Doing a couple redesigns, let me know what you think

>>53449826
Ignore the Gold, was doing a veteran when I had the idea!

>>53449765
It's definitely a lot better, although the kneecaps might be better as olive green.

>>53449540
Rokuten.

Also, stop trolling

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>>53449540
>>53449598
If the question is still in the room what exactly motivated the Separatists to secede, I say it's because Rokuten and the other Separatists hated the way the Imperium was run by officials installed by the Emperor/the Emperor himself by proxy. Posting the thing again.

As such, I would say it is Rokuten himself who calls for a revolution. Malcador may end up lending support from within the loyalist controlled space since the rest of the Terran council has wrestled him out of his seat in their own political scheming while Emps is absent, hoping that seven (six?) angry legions on his doorstep may be a wake-up call.

I suggest we look at the conflict between Loyalist and Separatist/Revolutionaries as the main conflict with the chaos heretics later chiming in.

I advise against the whole tech-heresy as an actual reason for the Revolutionaries. The Imperium itself would value any new tech, it is solely the AdMech whose religious dogmata make them go apeshit about what technology is a-ok or not. Don't forget, only the Emps and maybe Malcador know about the true nature of Chaos at this point, so their religious infighting is not nearly as justified as it is in 40k.

Instead, it should be that the later tech-heretics would side with the Revolutionaries because they represent a possibility to escape the conservative direction of Mars, while actual raving madmen go and join the Chaos heretics.

[cont.]

>>53449940
>If the question is still in the room what exactly motivated the Separatists to secede, I say it's because Rokuten and the other Separatists hated the way the Imperium was run by officials installed by the Emperor/the Emperor himself by proxy. Posting the thing again.
Well, it wasn't really that Rokuten hated it, but nobody will remember that by M41.
>As such, I would say it is Rokuten himself who calls for a revolution. Malcador may end up lending support from within the loyalist controlled space since the rest of the Terran council has wrestled him out of his seat in their own political scheming while Emps is absent, hoping that seven (six?) angry legions on his doorstep may be a wake-up call.
I doubt they would be able to kick him out, seeing as he is the founder of the Officio Assassinorum, an organization that has a tendency to kill all the High Lords of Terra; and he is THE regent of Terra, so anybody who messes with him messes with the Emperor.

>>53449940
This brings up the altered council of Nikaea: What should it be about? Who should be prosecuted? With our overwhelming pro-psyker and therefore pro-space wizardry support, there's not much going on here. Again I advise against tech-heresy. Since I already believe that simple politics should be the prime motivation for this whole ordeal, let the council be about politics: Let's prosecute one of the later Revolutionary legions for repeatedly ignoring orders from Emp's stewards, their defense being that they could not fulfill a certain (possibly unfair) quota due to unforeseen difficulties had they followed instructions and not improvised or claiming the right to have a final say as they are being the ones who have to live with the consequences of diplomatic or military fuckups.

Since the council happens much earlier, it could pretty well be that it is during this time we already draw lines, the later Revolutionary legions support the prosecuted primarch for going solo while the Loyalists act as his accusers. The later chaos heretics can be evenly split among these groups.

>>53450040
Since we have so many psyker or psyker-favoring Primarchs, would it make sense for Nikaea to be more "The Emperor is laying down the law for all the kids, cut that psyker shit out" rather than "Let's all have a debate, shall we?"

>>53449765
Still awful. Having the feet a different color is a bad idea in general, and a darker red may help fix the currently unbearable contrast.

Another primarch instigating a revolution? I see what you're aiming for, but just to keep sure there's not too much overlap I'm gonna post a digest of Zelbezis' rise to power.

>World united by a god-king one thousand year prior to the primarch's arrival, fractured after his death into a corrupt aristocracy
>Primarch lands in a village of exiled dissidents, is taught the ways of warfare
>His primarchly abilities kickstart a revolution, he becomes figurehead and general
>From victory to victory, some of his partisans begin to plot against him
>He assembles a guard of utterly faithful death-squads to enact retribution from within
>By the time the Emperor comes, Zelbezis Dyestes has become a more dreadful dictator than those he has overthrown

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Why do we have so many psyker primarchs?

>>53450139
I think it just sort of worked out that way. There wasn't any coordination towards that end that I know of.

>>53450021
>M41
This is a recurring worry that I just don't share. It's M31, the Revolutionaries have canon Horus' worry that they are being made redundant and superfluous by doing all the heavy lifting and then not allowed a say in the logistics of the conquered planets nor the supply of their own legions. What happens after the Brotherwar up until M41 is as far as I am concerned completely irrelevant for our progress.

>Malcador
Alright, fine, you got me. I admit it here and now: I have no fucking idea WHAT exactly Malcador does. All my information is based on other threads and HH novels. Fuck me, right? From all those sources, I could only ever discern him as the Emp's advisor/confidant. In those regards, I have never seen him have any more power or influence at the point of M31 than other politicians and stewards put in place by the Emperor while he fucked off to tinker on the Golden Throne.
So what exactly says that he is the only one with assassins? That technology couldn't possibly be his and his alone to breed and equip human killing machines. And while I agree that his close relations to Big E allow him extreme status, I actually doubt that ambitious politicians wouldn't try to push him away from Emps in any fashion in order to install themselves as His righthand-man, or to try to undermine his status. Malcador isn't the angelic psyker-god who charms everyone at first glance and his only argument is that he's friends with the cool kid everybody wants to be friends with.

>>53450115
Possible, put it on the list.

>>53450139
When we each posted our primarchs, I guess we all sort of had kept in mind that technically speaking all primarchs are latent psykers due to being of Big E's stock, but forgot that maybe we don't need to explicitly mention that they're psykers unless they actually employ mind bullets, telekinesis or clairvoyancy.

And with that, I go to sleep. Already am far too late and I got a whole day of drinking mead and pretending I'm a medieval drunkard ahead of me.

Salutations my fair fellows.

>>53450253
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Malcador_(Character)

I know people sometimes debate about how useful the Lexicanum is, but that'd be a good place to at least get a more concrete overview of Malcador.

>>53450253
>Alright, fine, you got me. I admit it here and now: I have no fucking idea WHAT exactly Malcador does. All my information is based on other threads and HH novels. Fuck me, right? From all those sources, I could only ever discern him as the Emp's advisor/confidant. In those regards, I have never seen him have any more power or influence at the point of M31 than other politicians and stewards put in place by the Emperor while he fucked off to tinker on the Golden Throne.
He literally started the Inquisition.
>So what exactly says that he is the only one with assassins? That technology couldn't possibly be his and his alone to breed and equip human killing machines.
He literally started the Officio Assassinorum too, so while he's not strictly the only one with assassins, he's in command of the best of them.
And while I agree that his close relations to Big E allow him extreme status, I actually doubt that ambitious politicians wouldn't try to push him away from Emps in any fashion in order to install themselves as His righthand-man, or to try to undermine his status. Malcador isn't the angelic psyker-god who charms everyone at first glance and his only argument is that he's friends with the cool kid everybody wants to be friends with.
The problem is Malcador is about as mysterious as the Emperor himself, and almost as powerful. He's also one of the few people who know anything about the Emperor's plans.

>>53450297
>>53450402
Phoneposting because I can't sleep.

So I caught up on at least the biography. Based on Rokuten's reply, and what I learned on lexicanum (I actually like it a lot and apologise for not researching out of my own motivation), I can only take away that Malcador wouldn't even need to rely on legions to correct a corrupt Imperial government because he can either mindbullet, mind control or assassinate everybody who mucks up on Terra. So while he would definitely be a sufficiently influental person to gain the support of the legions, I fail to see why he would go that route if he can just as easily remove anybody before he takes his breakfast tea. Also his status basically makes him a replacement Emperor. If Emps is unavailable then people automatically turn to Malc. He has no motivation to join or instigate a revolution.
In that regard it would have to be Malcador himself who turns the governing body into a police state while Emps is unavailable, being the reason for the Revolutionaries' frustration in the first place.
I suggest abandoning the idea of Malcador having any relations to the Revolutionary movement, at all.
I don't see how this influences the Revolutionaries, though. They get angry and want their fair share. Why is that not enough?

>>53449408
Thread prompt: Make up two unique units for your Legion as would be used if FW made rules and models for the setting.

>>53449540
Have Rokuten be Warmaster but Malcador pretty much works for him the way he does for the Emperor. Pulling his strings and handleing all the bullshit. We all know Malcador is the real leader while the Emperor / Rokuten are the figureheads.

>>53450698
It could well be that Malc stepping up is what really ticks off the Seps. If they're afraid of being made redundant by FILTHY MORTALS, then wouldn't having one (even Malcador) take up the throne instead of one of the PURE, PERFECT, SUPERHUMAN PRIMARCHS piss them off?

>>53450115
This is basically exactly what has happened in the OU. He just made it look like a Trial to stop Magnus getting butthurt.
We could have it not be a trial at all.
Big E could just roll up, drop his pants and say "look boys, my willy is biggest and I am sick of the you guys using psykers 'cause that's my thing. So cut it out".

>>53450744
talking like their rules or just what they are?

>>53450857
>Have Rokuten be Warmaster but Malcador pretty much works for him the way he does for the Emperor. Pulling his strings and handleing all the bullshit.
WaiT NIGga wHat

Malcador was not manipulating the Emperor. He even gave his own life to help preserve the Emperor's vision.

>>53450941
This especially fits the Ogre Legion, who were taught by Rokuten that the leader should be the warrior, not bureaucrats.

>>53451025
Not manipulating him. More doing all the real leading of humanity while the Emperor was taking care of shit that he wanted humanity to have nothing to do with. He more or less gave up control to Malcs while he did the gate shit.
Another theory was that Malcs and Emps are the same person. Emps is just like the big impressive projection of Malcador and that frees Malcador up to do all the other shit. Like a split personality.

>>53451186
I think that's getting a little too far into the weeds as far as what Malcador is or is not.

>>53451198
Yeah I agree. I'm not saying we use that. Just saying we have Rokuten can be the warmaster in all regards to the Legions. But Malcs is still basically the one running the seps in all but name.
Basically I think I'm agreeing with what you said earlier.

>>53449940
It's already decided that Malcador leaves the Imperium to side with the Separatists and leads them - even if Rokugen is the hired muscle as the Warmaster - and takes Mars with him.

>>53451290
See >>53450698
Malcador wouldn't need to start a rebellion, he as the Emperor's representative has the resources to prevent superstition from spreading in the Imperium.
>>53451326
We're literally talking this over again.

>>53451024
Just what they are. No point in rules. name and fluff.

What if we have the Emperor incapacitated earlier, thus triggering the chaos gods to corrupt primarchs earlier, then having the primarchs cut off from Terra by the Ruinstorm create their own Imperium Secundus but are reluctant to let go of that power when the storm abades?

It's awesome how Malcador's betrayal of the Imperium and the teleportation of Mars has improved this AU so drastically. Just look at how active discussion is after that change!

>>53452465
>What if we have the Emperor incapacitated earlier,
Aren't we doing this already?
>thus triggering the chaos gods to corrupt primarchs earlier, then having the primarchs cut off from Terra by the Ruinstorm create their own Imperium Secundus but are reluctant to let go of that power when the storm abades?
Hmm. Yes... Maybe...

>>53453337
>what is night time
>what is sleep

Yep, you nailed it.

>>53452465
You could have the cut off for a relatively long time, like a few hundred years, and assume the other group has been wiped out. Long enough for potentially irreconcilable cultural differences to develop that mean when it finally does abate neither side wants to rejoin the other?

>>53449765
>>53449826
Not too hot. Green and red makes Christmas marines

>>53452465
That sounds like a pretty cool idea actually. Takes care of a few issues. That's where my vote's going

>>53450941
>Emps is incapacitated at Ullanor
>Appoints Malc and High Lords to steward Terra in his stead
>Malc elbows himself into a quasi-solitary leadership position due to trying too hard to live up to Big E's dream
>Ogre Legion and Revolutionaries suspect a treasonous power grab and make for Terra to take back the reins

Writes itself
>>53450971
Council of Nikaea becomes Decree of Nikaea.


>>53452465
I don't think so. Having their own stable Empire makes it so easy to just have them sit at the other side of the Galaxy and not give a shit about the other two factions. They should have as many reasons to be forced into this conflict as possible.

Btw. Voting to start calling them Revolutionaries instead of Separatists now.

Hey Guys of those other AU's.

Did you have the same problems, chaos and assholes etc?

>>53455338
I'm not an asshole I'm just petty as fuck.

>>53455361

You are an elephant and I didn't mean you. You're one of the guys actually contributing something to this shit.

>>53450116
The primary difference between the two is that Zelbezis is a fascist and Piter is a communist. Maybe you two could put slightly more emphasis on that.

>>53450253
>This is a recurring worry that I just don't share. It's M31, the Revolutionaries have canon Horus' worry that they are being made redundant and superfluous by doing all the heavy lifting and then not allowed a say in the logistics of the conquered planets nor the supply of their own legions. What happens after the Brotherwar up until M41 is as far as I am concerned completely irrelevant for our progress.
I agree with this.

>>53450698
As for Malcador, I cannot stress enough that I feel that the Sigillite would NEVER betray the Imperium. Any talk of him leading the Seperatists is rediculous imo.

>>53452465
>>53453417
>>53453491
This seems much better than anything suggested related to Malcador.

>>53453337
Yeah, still not fully on board with that 'moving Mars' thing.

>>53455338
Not really. The problem is that the arguing got oddly personal this time. We should make sure that doesn't happen again.

>>53455657


Ya, kinda personal. But I think this is because he was just a retarded troll. Easy to flame on others projects but a wjole different thing to contribute something of worth like an own attempt at legion creating.

However, atm it is kinda chaotic ( we won) and the anons are not sure what is going on.

RaJobs, i think that you might have the best overview over the.project and if not already, I suggest that you become project leader with a veto right who set the standards and the keypoints of course it would be neat if you listen to our arguments but sometimes strict democracy is not getting you anywhere. So could you please rule some points out etc.?

>>53449408
>The Thread Where We Start Saying "Ex" Instead of "Ten"
Tenterminatus?

>>53455780
Well, shit. It'd be an honor, really. I think it might certainly help streamline certain chaotic discussions, but I don't want to give the impression this is my show. I'll gladly take on such a role though, if there's support for it.

As for ruling out certain points, I'd be perfectly willing, though I'm busy with work right now. If people are ok with me taking on a 'project leader' like role, I'll be sure to settle some disputes by tonight.

>>53455657
>oddly personal
>oddly
Have... have you really never seen a shitposter? That happens all the time, where someone pretends to support someone's idea, but takes it to a psychotic extreme to cause division and confusion in the group.

>>53455338
Yes.

>>53455862
Fine.

I think really that it will help to focus

>>53452465
This idea sounds better than anything we've had since Grégoire's Sovereigns got remove from the project. It has my support, though I dont't know why Rokten is the only pretendant for Warmaster-hood. Ghyadred looks like he could do a decent job.

>>53455338
The other AU I work on has the advantage of being on an overly-moderated forum, so shitposting disappears before we notice it, and we try to collectively keep edge-sue-ness in check.

>>53455657
I'm gonna try and put more emphasis on Dyestes being a policing, "freedom is a buzzword" asshole.

>>53454689
>Malc elbows himself into a quasi-solitary leadership position
He already is in a quasi-solitary leadership position, he's the fucking regent of Terra!
>Ogre Legion and Revolutionaries suspect a treasonous power grab and make for Terra to take back the reins
Well, that's the Ogre Legion's narrative anyway...
>>53455792
Worst camping trip ever.
>>53455338
>Fucked up lore
>Lumey-expy trying to take the reins
>Can't get beyond Heresy era
>Trolls come in and fuck with it
>Caveman tank legion
>Russians
All we're missing is waifus and we'll be Hektor Heresy 2.0

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>>53455780
>RaJobs, i think that you might have the best overview over the.project and if not already, I suggest that you become project leader with a veto right who set the standards and the keypoints of course it would be neat if you listen to our arguments but sometimes strict democracy is not getting you anywhere. So could you please rule some points out etc.?
This kills the Ogre Legion.

>>53456994
>Fucked up lore
>Lumey-expy trying to take the reins
>Can't get beyond Heresy era
>Trolls come in and fuck with it
>Caveman tank legion
>Russians
Oh, and dorf marines.

>>53456994
>>53457024
>>53457055
I'm starting to think you're not particularly willing to work with this project. Maybe it's best for everyone if we open up the 21st slot…?

>>53457107
It's already open though. The Sons of the Sovereign guy left, remember?

>>53457107
Wait, are you serious?

>>53457115
You know what I mean. If all you have to contribute is negativity disguised behind thinly veiled sarcasm, then idk what you're even doing here. You clearly want the entire AU to fit your own particular whim, considering you ridicule everything that's not exactly to your liking.

>>53455338
Well, there was this one time with a guy called Nathanog...

>>53456994
>>53457055
I'm still surprised that A: people seem to think the "Malcador moving Mars" thing had any weight behind it beyond me throwing a random idea I had out there for people to examine, and B: that no one seemed to recognize the concern trolling happening last thread, lol.

That said:

>Can't get past the Heresy
How fast do you expect these kind of projects to move?

>Caveman tank Legion
Yeah, that criticism's reasonable.

>Russians
I've never seen an AU without someone going full commie, although it's not to my taste.

>Lumey
*No one* in this group so far has been Lumey. I can assure you of that Although it was kind of retarded for >>53455780
to suggest we elect a project head, since that literally never works.

>>53457165
>If all you have to contribute is negativity disguised behind thinly veiled sarcasm, then idk what you're even doing here.
I'm not seeing it. If you're referring to>>53456994
>He already is in a quasi-solitary leadership position, he's the fucking regent of Terra!
That's not negativity, that's a plainly stated fact.
Or >>53456994
>All we're missing is waifus and we'll be Hektor Heresy 2.0
>>53457055
>Oh, and dorf marines.
That was a joke highlighting very vague similarities with the Hektor Heresy.

>You clearly want the entire AU to fit your own particular whim, considering you ridicule everything that's not exactly to your liking.
I don't. In fact, I've agreed with people on multiple occasions with their ideas.
>>53457189
>How fast do you expect these kind of projects to move?
I don't expect them to move fast at all and I see no reason for it to because it's a fan effort, it just gets somewhat irritating for me since while I was waiting for when the Guard can shine, the guys who worked on the legions were still talking over the legions fifty threads in. People leaving, while it was a fact of life for a no-profit project, didn't help.
>>Caveman tank Legion
>Yeah, that criticism's reasonable.
>>Russians
>I've never seen an AU without someone going full commie, although it's not to my taste.
I don't remember that in Imperium Asunder, but maybe my memory's just haze
>>Lumey
>*No one* in this group so far has been Lumey.
>He doesn't know I'm Lumey's protege
Anyway, that entire thing was a joke, so don't take it seriously.

I probably should've put a :^) in those posts.

>>53457347
:^) only gets you so far, lol.

>>53457347
Look man, I like you well enough. Your ideas are good, you right well enough and you know your shit, but I get the impression you're really not a team player. That makes me question why you're bothering to contribute. I'm not sending you off, because I neither can, nor want to.

>>53457189
Sorry, what is a Lumey?

And I see it the other way around. If you don't have at least one leading position, you discuss everything to death, nobody will know what the status quo is and trolls come in and confuse everyone.

Moving the planet is not so out of warhammer lore. Think of the plabet of sorcerors. But if it was just a joke and trolling you exactly proofed why it is important to have someone who hold the reigns. I fell for it and thought your idea was serious. It is crazy but we are talking about a universe inhabited by demons and xenos and strange stuff which could exain close to anything. Maybe the seps are the real creators of the tyrannids who planned of a new way to attack the imperium and thus created the perfect killing organism.

All is possible.

>>53457515
Moving the planet wasn't a troll idea. It was just *an* idea.

But then people went fucking nuts on both sides of the topic for some reason.

>>53457515

>All is possible

Yes, but not all is wise. I never saw moving mars as an option until it wasn't brought up; but once it was it immediately felt it would be incredibly hard to justify in universe without removing the ties to the OU we still have.

>>53457515
Lumey was an angry frogman that made everyone miserable but really greased the wheels of the whole project.

>>53457457
It gets me far enough.
>>53457189
>>Caveman tank Legion
>Yeah, that criticism's reasonable.
Whoops, forgot to reply to this one.

To be fair, the caveman tank legion was one of my favorites when it was around. Unfortunately, it was plagued by plagiarism, but I doubt you'll have the same problem.
>>53457507
>Look man, I like you well enough. Your ideas are good, you right well enough and you know your shit, but I get the impression you're really not a team player.
It's probably my tendency to shitpost. Also, if I put forth an idea, it's usually because I honestly think it's better, so it's harder for me to settle for the """"""worse"""""" option not that it is, but it's not like it's impossible for me to agree with other people. Like up here >>53452465 I think Sarco's idea is good, and here >>53454689 I shouldn't have just replied with shitposting, because I thought that was a good idea too. Mainly because it was most in line with my idea, but hey, it's hard to fuck up the old "We fight the government to free it from tyranny!" story.

We should totally go with one of these btw.
>>53457515
>Sorry, what is a Lumey?
Lumey was one of the foremost creators in the Hektor Heresy. De facto editor, a bit angry sometimes. Not the most agreeable person around.
Pretty much this >>53457593

>>53457640
>>53457593
Thx guys for the insight.

I think it depends and I think Rajobs will make a good job. Only because that Lumey went too far, Rajobs seems not like that Kind of Person.

I need some security. A plan. Someone I can rely upon. ATM we have too much Chaos here. Lots of ideas but AS Rokuten stated everyones idea is the best. It is kinda frustating. A clear roadmap for 30k would be fine.and i don't think we get one without a leader.

>>53457770

Sorry, forgot to add my nick.

>>53457770
Lumey went exactly far enough. Also, I stand by
>>53452465
>>53453491
As the current best preposed solution.

>>53457770
>I think it depends and I think Rajobs will make a good job. Only because that Lumey went too far, Rajobs seems not like that Kind of Person.
Lumey didn't hold that kind of power. He just shouted until everybody agreed on something or somebody left. Usually, he was in the right though.
>I need some security. A plan. Someone I can rely upon. ATM we have too much Chaos here.

>Lots of ideas but AS Rokuten stated everyones idea is the best.
You have me mistaken. I meant those two ideas were good, not everyone's idea was the best.
>It is kinda frustating. A clear roadmap for 30k would be fine.and i don't think we get one without a leader.
We're almost at a breakthrough on how the split happens though. Unless anybody has any other ideas, >>53452465 and >>53454689 are the ones we should choose between. I'm voting on Sarco's.

>>53457851
"Because we're greedy assholes" seems like a very human but also very lame reason to be Separatists. Sarco's idea is plausible, but it lacks all gravitas.

>>53457770
I mean currently most of my job is retooling a lot of ideas or making ideas work within lore. So I suppose if we get a consensus on just WHAT we want to do I can take a crack at it.

>>53457936
It could work. Legions get cut off in the far end of the Imperium, and have to work on their own for centuries, trying their best initially to preserve the Imperial Truth with mixed results at best, and utter failure at worse. The storm breaks up, and they find the Imperium a wholly different creature from what they knew. The Imperial Cult has sprouted and taken hold of the Imperium, and the legions had been divided into smaller chapters (Which, due to their situation, they saw no reason for). Horrified, they declare independence from the Imperium and start the Brother War.

>>53458089
A second brotherwar anyway. The Chaos forces would still go head to head with the Imperium and the Seps. It's just that the Loyalists and those cut off are not aware of each other until the storm clears.

>>53458154
Roight.

Unfortunately, the Seps still have to somehow develop an anti-Daemon force on their own.

>>53458154
Exactly, the whole thing is caused by Chaos because they know they have to divide the Imperium or else they won't be able to hold their own.

I'm sick of looking at that empty slot, and we have uneven factions anyway, so can I just move the Ogre Legion to XIX?

>>53458185
No, we've 21 again with SepMech's Commies.

>>53458166
Well, we certainly have an array of psyker Primarchs to do it, although that would also have been a good job for the man who helped invent the Grey Knights. Amusingly enough.

I don't really see the Malcador thing. The revs/seps wouldn't need him to lead their movement, and being Malc as loyal as he was, I see it pretty difficult. Being the one that controls everything doesn't mean that he would go rogue at the first chance, and I don't see good reasons for him going rogue. Corrupt Terran politics? Wipe 'em out. Big E left for war business? Why, tho? It was his job to take care of everything while Empy was out. Too much power corrupting him? Empy would have guessed, and removed him from power before he could do anything.

I'm going with the angry legions subject. Going rogue because you want to control your claimed planets seems legit, and if they operated far away from Terra, it would be even reasonable.

>Maybe too late

>>53458204
Oh riiiiight.

Fucken commies fucken things up. It's all their fault, they caused WWII. Hear that Sepmech? You did Hitler.
>>53458212
True, but I forgot which separatist primarchs were psykers.

Also, the Iron Guard barely have anything.

>>53458297
Well, Emil's a Separatist now since that seemed... prudent. And a psyker.

Of the other Seps, I'm not sure who have Psyker Primarchs.

>>53458357
Might wanna move him there.

>>53458363
I changed the google doc days ago to have Emil officially Separatist.

>>53458389
I don't see it. You mean this one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hqd6RLLgvLdYCIoLCHhQkidgXIsKUzrugyWu6pthEM/edit#gid=1037930529

>>53458439
No, I changed the thing right on the primary sheet.

>>53458439
>>53458467
The other table should be correct now, too.

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Query: Which sections of the galaxy do each faction control/are busy conguering?

>>53457055
You have something against (chaos) dorf marines?

>>53459035
Orks: Yes

>>53459108
No, I like dorf marines.

>>53459035
I don't know, but unless we do like in IA, where Terra falls to Chaos, and make the seps conquer systems around Segmentum Solar, they sould take control of Ultima Segmentum, at least of the furthest systems, they are the most easily forgotten, I suppose.

Loyalists, Segmentum Solar of course.

Traitors, galactic north.

Thoughts?

>>53459035
To the best of my knowledge:

Chaos still has the Eye and its surroundings, probably other Warp Storms as well.

The Imperium's influence is only considered solid in Segmentums Solar, Tempestus, and Pacificus.

The Separatists largely hold Ultima Segmentum, slanted more towards the Galactic Fringe.

Not the most *exciting* Galactic breakdown, but it is the simplest and probably most logical.

>>53459340
I'm not sure traitors new that much territory. They're a significant threat in the OU despite only having territory in the maelstrom, eye of terror, and various pockets in smaller storms around the galaxy.

>>53459340
>Terra falling to Chaos
Random shitpost thought: Terra falls to the Seps, Emperor retreats to the Galactic Fringe, Chaos gets so confused they wander back into the Eye of Terror and just chill for a few millennia while Tzeentch tries to figure out how the Galaxy went so far off the rails even *his* plans don't cover that contingency. :P

>>53459384
Well, since we actually have *more* Traitors than either other group (6 Loyal, 6 Sep, 7 Traitor, for a total of 19 +1 undecided/maybe AWOL author according to that spreadsheet Rokuten linked here >>53458439 ), perhaps it is fitting that they take a larger swath of territory?

>>53459439
Or they take even more horrendous losses during the battle for Terra for vague reasons I'm not ready to get into just yet.

Hey guys, I have been away form the threads for a few days but i'm back and going to be working on the smoke stalkers again soon. Has anything major been decided that I should know about?

>>53459515
Also, I'm not sure but it's been discussed that Mot started out as a separatist and fell to chaos afterwards.

>>53459439
Wtf are you talking about? The factions are still 7-7-7. The Pillars are gonna be Loyalists (if they're not kicked out soon for being entirely inactive), and SepMech is gonna fill up the empty Sep slot.

>>53459390
No, the Emperor and the Imperium would never abandon Terra. That doesn't seem right at all.

>>53459528
I'm not in favor of muddling the factions with people going back and forth. That just leads to a far more confusing timeline.

>>53459515
It seems like that overall our Chaos is even more savage than the canon one, so maybe they just take significant losses due to fanaticism?

>>53459561
>See: "Random shitpost thought"

>>53459593
Still, doesn't mean it shouldn't be replied to.

>>53457107
This has my vote. Rokuten's provided nothing but drama, confusion and venom to this project. He should definitely be kicked out or at least not given the responsibility of the role of Warmaster.

>>53459710
Who are you?

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>>53459710

>>53459740
You should know by now not to respond to posts like that lol.

>>53459520
Malcador's now leading the Revolutionaries (new name for the Separatists) after teleporting Mars to the Ultima Segmentum using a combination of his psychic power and the Pharos, in order to explain why the Separatists possess any technological advantage without being far-fetched.

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>>53459340
>>53459361
Assuming they aren't content with staying in the Eye, it would be the servants of Chaos who rule over large section of Segmentum Obscurus, then?
>>53459124
>pic related

>>53459754
This shit again? We already moved on, dude, get with the times. Hell, I came up with the idea, and I'm bored with it myself.

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>>53459035
I started working on this to give an idea of what each faction controls

>>53459754
No. Pretty much none of that is happening.

>>53459813
But it's the best idea anyone in these threads has come up with and there's no other logical explanation for the Separatists having a tech advantage or being able to fight the Imperium without inevitably being crushed. Don't abandon your own idea when it's one of the best ones this AU has had.

>>53459520
We're about to reach a definite answer on the Separatists' motivation.

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>>53459826
The Imperial border should be a little more to the East. This map posted also gives a better idea of the segmenta.

>>53459850
Which is, after the Loyalists became increasingly zealous and faith-based after the Emperor's injury, Malcador convinces the various Revolutionaries to try and conquer the Imperium in the name of the Imperium Truth, with the Revolutionary Warmaster as the figurehead for his plans.

>>53459813
Stop responding to that guy my dude.
>>53459847
Bored?

>>53459901
Im trying to give the seps enough territory that they can handle the shit that will be thrown at them so i moved the imperial borders back a bit to the core territories and the regions to the galactic north and south of the core

>>53459998
Trust me, even without that territory the Separatists will survive. The Imperium has never been able to bring its full power against a threat anyway; the Separatists wouldn't be any different. It's not like there's any particular force that will focus solely on them.

>>53459826
>>53459901
Hmm... According to these, no-one has yet claimed Calixis-Sector, meaning I (as the self-appointed expert on said sector's lore) won't be wasting more posts until one faction or the other expands to that area. You are doing a great job, people.

>>53459850
So is this what we're going with >>53458089? I like it, though we'd have to make it slightly more dramatic.

Does mean we'll still have to figure out how the Seps become more advanced, but we'll see.

>>53460043
The Calixis Sector would work great under Malcador's dominion.

>>53460043
>>53460062
Just to make sure this troll doesn't confuse you Calixian, Malcador does not Seperate from the Imperium and there is no 'Malcador's dominion'.

>>53460057
I like the idea that they aren't more advanced, they just end up losing less tech than the Imperium. Things like Sicarians, Volkite, and Jetbikes are still kept in sufficient numbers and have the means of maintainence that they don't become holy chapter relics and rather just another part of the arsenal. Any technological advantage they have is simply brought about due to a head-start after the Brotherwar

>>53460088
I'm not sure what makes you feel like you have the authority to decide. The majority agreed that that Malcador's betrayal of the Imperium to pursue the Imperial Truth was the best possible motivation for the Separatists and the only way they could hope to unite and match the Loyalists as a coherent faction.

>>53460103
You make a good point. Still though, since the AdMech forces with the Seps aren't tied to Mars, they might advance less slowly.

>>53460117
Malc going Seperatist was firmly rejected.

>>53460150
It was not rejected at any point. There was almost universal agreement that it was a great idea.

You don't get to ignore facts.

>>53460057
>So is this what we're going with >>53458089 (You)?
I mean, you should be quoting Sarco too, but yeah.
>I like it, though we'd have to make it slightly more dramatic.
Okay, so storm subsides, Imperium reconnects with the Eastern Imperium led by Rokuten, and he's all like,"Pfft, sure, we'll come back to the Imperium, totes. Just give us a second to regroup on our homeworlds and we'll be split into countless chapters in a jiffy." So they regroup in the Imperium and then SURPRISE! THEY'RE NOT GONNA IMPERIALIZE! SECOND BROTHER WAR!
>Does mean we'll still have to figure out how the Seps become more advanced, but we'll see.
Uncover an ancient archive, what DH-anon suggests, some "sympathetic" primarchs bring less orthodox Mechanicum with them, etc.

Also a remote possibility they ally with xenos for the first Brother War to compensate.

Also, to continue throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, I could see the Separatists being started more as an "Astartes vs Humans" idea, potentially with some of the Primarchs fan the flames behind the scenes, especially if some of them feel shunned or hated by the Imperium at large.
To use the example of Einchurt, his nihillistic views on what the Imperium is turning into (a squishy monolith led by people who have no idea what the galaxy is capable of shitting out) could rub off onto some of the other Primarchs, who feel that, since his sons have been shunned for doing the very things they were ordered to, he may be right.
Obviously things would be more complex and I don't wanna say "my primarch started it", but I feel others may sympathize with him.

>>53460185
>led by Rokuten
Led by Malcador with Rokuten as figurehead. FTFY.

>>53460192
Could be.

>>53458089
Why are 'we' going with a post that only had one response before it was suggested as the option we were going with?

There's no agreement, there's no majority vote, there's nothing to indicate that idea has any more support than the concept of Malcador leading the Separatists and Mars from the Ultima Segmentum.

You two are just trying to seize control of the project with no input from others.

>>53460185
Aight, cool.

>>53460192
Nah, we shouldn't be overthinking it at this point. Sarco's idea works because it's simple and logical.

>>53460207
Fuck right off with the Malcador shit. Feel free to read back the rest of the thread. Malcador stays loyal to the Emperor and probably dies during the Heresy.

This is the last (you) I'm wasting on you. Any attempt by you to further push the Malcador leading the Seps angle is just going to prove you're a troll.

>>53459035
>Segemntum
>Segemntum
>Segemntum
>SegeMNtum
>SEGEMNTUM

There are not enough image macros in this plane of existence to describe the triggering this image now imbues in my soul upon closer inspection, lol.

>>53460305
>This is the last (you)
There will always more of (you) for him.
>>53460326
Wow. It's like the guy who spelled conservative conserative on a forum I go to, and none of us noticed it for years.

>>53460305
>we
You mean 'I,' since you refuse to accept the creative input of others or the suggestions that others have made and just enforce your own opinion as law. Well I've got news for you, just last thread the majority agreed that it was a great idea for Malcador to lead the Separatists in an attempt to recreate the Imperial Truth outside of the Imperium, after teleporting Mars across the galaxy. Literally far more people agreed with it than any idea that you have ever put forward in this project at any point.

Stop playing petty dictator. You don't get to act against the will of the people.

>>53460357
How about this: we vote.

Those in favor of Malcador leaving or staying. I'll throw up a sheet when i get home and tally votes and we'll have our solution.

>>53460305
Awh, but I like overthinking things.

On another note, I still need to figure out who is buddies with Einchurt, and who hates his guts.

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>>53449408
Hey look it's Kitten!

HI KITTEN!

>>53460457
Don't bother dude, it's literally only the one guy complaining.

>Caveman Tank Marines
Mastodontii?

>Secession via independently established galactic government
I fail to see how that actually gives them any motivation to go to war and topple the current Imperial governing body and risk weakening them to the point where humanity's existence is at stake.
But for the sake of progress I will join this notion.

I have a few remarks though:
Reduce the years of seclusion down to decades instead of centuries. The eastern fleet is cut off and believes Terra to have been swallowed by the warp. They bolt a strictly regulated but shakily established governing body, funnelling their resources into fortification and war efforts. Just as they face the crisis of dealing with their unsustainable spending, the storms subside and let them reconnect to the Terran Imperium already beset by Chaos, the Emperor decapacitated and Terra ruled by malcador and shady officials, turning it from the Imperial Truth as the Symphonious Disciples and their retinue of orators have established a primitive Imperial Cult around the silent Emperor. They believe it to be treason, and use their vast military reserves for a massive campaign and reclaim Terra from what they perceive to be self-serving bureaucrats and blind religious mongrels. The threat of chaos is not known to them initially, and once they do they believe it to be a secondary problem they will solve after securing Terra.

As they progress, Chaos violates them more and more until we have a nice interstellar moshpit.

>>53460457
I like the Malcador idea better desu

>>53460544
It WOULD shut him up though.


>>53460576
>>Caveman Tank Marines
>Mastodontii?
Yep. The name's even similar.
>>Secession via independently established galactic government
>I fail to see how that actually gives them any motivation to go to war and topple the current Imperial governing body and risk weakening them to the point where humanity's existence is at stake.
>But for the sake of progress I will join this notion

>I have a few remarks though:
>Reduce the years of seclusion down to decades instead of centuries. The eastern fleet is cut off and believes Terra to have been swallowed by the warp. They bolt a strictly regulated but shakily established governing body, funnelling their resources into fortification and war efforts. Just as they face the crisis of dealing with their unsustainable spending, the storms subside and let them reconnect to the Terran Imperium already beset by Chaos, the Emperor decapacitated and Terra ruled by malcador and shady officials, turning it from the Imperial Truth as the Symphonious Disciples and their retinue of orators have established a primitive Imperial Cult around the silent Emperor. They believe it to be treason, and use their vast military reserves for a massive campaign and reclaim Terra from what they perceive to be self-serving bureaucrats and blind religious mongrels. The threat of chaos is not known to them initially, and once they do they believe it to be a secondary problem they will solve after securing Terra.
>As they progress, Chaos violates them more and more until we have a nice interstellar moshpit.
I think they should fight Chaos during their separation, so they'll at least start working on a method of defeating them
Sounds good, though I'd rather have them fight Chaos before that.

Also, something to ponder on the Malcador route:
He was endlessly loyal to the emperor.
That doesn't mean he's loyal to the sons; could be a way to explain malcador's turn from the imperium.

>>53460576
>I fail to see how that actually gives them any motivation to go to war and topple the current Imperial governing body and risk weakening them to the point where humanity's existence is at stake.
I was thinking it's more of a matter of not wanting to rejoin the imperium and fighting any fleets that come to fuck up their shit, and maybe a dash of thinking their way of life is better so they need to conquer Imperial worlds to spread their ideology.

>>53460576
>Why didn't Mally Cadonzo censure the Symphonious Disciples and the Imperial Cult of the Silent Emperor?
The ideas of worshipping the Emperor as a god had been circulating in secret throughout the fleets and compliant worlds for years, and once it turned to open worship it was such a massive factor that assassination alone could not remove it, so Malc had to arrange himself with the religious movement until the threat of the Chaos uprising had been dealt with.
Since he could not properly take care of the problem, it solidified and the theocratic party was in full motion once the Revolutionaries returned into the fold, leading to the misunderstanding of Malcador's intentional deconstruction of the Imperial Truth and ensuing Revolutionary campaign to take Terra and "drain the swamp".

>>53460699
Any turn by Malcador that involved the Imperium going full zealot pre- or during the Heresy I'll take a harsh stance against, as Raj would instantly abandon such a state, let alone die for it.

>>53460676
Well no wonder because I pitched the Mastodontii in the thread that sparked the Hektor Heresy. I didn't realise the two were related and before I knew it they had spinned it into their own while I had my own version of the Mastodontii. I changed the name since people were worried about a possible mix up.

And alright, small splinters have been hassleing the Revolutionaries in their seclusion, making them weary ofthose legions.

>>53460711
But that makes them so terribly passive. Might as well be the Imperium and Chaos are just duking it out on their own because the Revolutionaries wouldn't claim any clay.

>>53460939
>And alright, small splinters have been hassling the Revolutionaries in their seclusion, making them weary of those legions.
Nah, I was thinking non-space marines. Like ALIENS WOOoooOOooOOOOoOOoOOOooooOOOoOooo

>>53460980
Then let's go with chaos incursions and chaos related aliens pirating through their space.

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>>53460989
Time for the gorgomongers to make their debut.

>>53461008
I have no idea who they are but alright you do you boo.

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>>53461028
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i_X_2AHqAM8MI1j4IjQAMoOu0NIfT8M6RHllXDHlIQo/edit
An idea I've had for a while. Thinking of things other than space marines and all that.

>>53460792
I like this one better than my idea. Makes the seps more active than just sitting in their space, and includes a dash of grimdark that the setting needs.

>>53460875
So what if his turn was simply appeasement because the adherence to the Imperial Truth isn't worth a religious schism that further destabilises the Imperium? What if the Imperium isn't fully zealous but the religious party is very vocal, giving the Imperium the apparel of thorough zealotry? Would it be alright for Raj if Malcador promised him they would set things straight after they had dealt with the Chaos incursion and later revolutionary campaign?

>>53460792
Or Malcador dies during the Brother War, making the preservation of the Imperial Truth extremely difficult as his underground network breaks down, and the Adeptus Terra appropriates and implements the Officio Assassinorum.

>>53461051
>Thinking of anything else than Space Marines
>Thinking of anything else than hot "HUMANSBUTPOINTYEARS" eldar bitches
>Not masturbating to Matt Ward and the Ultramarines while tears of joy stream down your face

You are no brother of mine, weeabogre.

>>53461108
They're both fair solutions.

>>53461084
>Would it be alright for Raj if Malcador promised him they would set things straight after they had dealt with the Chaos incursion and later revolutionary campaign?
And then they presumably die or are incapacitated before or during the second brotherwar, giving no chance to explain to the separatists what exactly is going on.

>>53461112
B-b-but Slaaneshi elephant seal people! Imagine how lucky their sex slaves are!

Not very. Imagine getting raped by an elephant seal; it would probably kill you.

>>53461108
We could have Malc be on life support before Emps, hooked to the Bronze Throne that's only life suppport and not psychic gateway that must be sealed because a nerd broke it. He technically is awake and capable of speech but he only receives scraps of information the Council of Terra feeds him.

>>53461138
Leopard seals are guder anyway.

>>53461175
>We could have Malc be on life support before Emps, hooked to the Bronze Throne that's only life suppport and not psychic gateway that must be sealed because a nerd broke it. He technically is awake and capable of speech but he only receives scraps of information the Council of Terra feeds him.
Nah, Malcador is the spymaster. He wouldn't just accept the scraps the Council gives him; his agents would bypass them.

Like I say, Malcador would not just operate through the official channels.

He could take time to focus on the traitors rather than the zealots during the Brother War, since they're the priority, so the Imperial Cult is able to spread without as much impediment. Malcador then dies during the Brother War, possibly killed by either Chaos assassins or the Soaring Host, or possibly even the Council of Terra somehow (unlikely), so the Imperial Cult is able to spread further.

It doesn't really matter if Malcador's behind the radicalization, intentionally or otherwise, only that it happens.

>>53460057
The interex. The seps could instead of blowing them away profit from their advanced technology and over the centuries emerge with a blend of imperial power armor and the interex technology.

>>53461800
I'm not too keen on this idea myself.

>>53461800
Aren't they just Chaos-tainted xenos who pretend they're not?

>>53460576
I like that. Only have Malcador already dead because I can't see him supporting the abuse of the emperor as god. He may have died during the first brotherwar when the chaosforces pushed through to terra and he defended the emperor on the golden throne with his life. Maybe for that reason the chaos chosen is not obliterated but was simply banned to the warp. Kinda a chaos version of draigo.

Sorry if my posts come to topics which may be already solved. But beeing absent the whole day I try to catch up and answer to most.

To the troll: hey, what about your own AU project where Malcador transfers mars to the edge of the galaxy? I may join as you are so in love of the gunslingers that I want them in your project.

>>53461875
Wait, that's the Kinebranch who they're apparently allied with, nvm.

But still.

They *do* represent an interesting 3rd option for the Seps, but they also open up all kinds of questions regarding such an alliance that would be difficult to answer. There's not enough canon info to really say how powerful they are, or the full extent of their tech besides implying it's hax as fuck.

(Also they apparently have Next Level Tau Drones that are basically AI, so that's a whole other can of worms)

Seps + Interex would absolutely create a suitably powerful faction to oppose Imperials, and it would also inherit an angle against Chaos. However... it would be a VERY powerful faction. Maybe universe-bendingly powerful depending how you interpret their tech.

tl;dr, it's a tool that would work. But would the cure be worse than the disease?

Where do the Interex live anyway?

>>53462045

Well..
As we approach the 40k the cure could become the even worse disease. I mean even as gregoire has pulled out. We could use some ideas. Like the mortals becoming ai thx to interex tech. Or the seps relying to much on tech in the future and either rhe imperials or the chaos mechanicum created a scrapcode virus to Sabotage those ai wise men and this led to many more problems.

>>53462111
Either my asshole, or the galactic asshole of the warp prolapsing into real space.

>>53462111
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Interex
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Kinebrach

Lexicanum doesn't say, but the fluff for the Kinebranch species implies that they lived in some Fortress Worlds in Pacificus for at least some quantity of time.

If I had to guess, I 'd say somewhere in Pacificus then. Which would make it problematic for the Seps to make use of the Interex/Kinebrach if that's at all true.

>>53462127
I meant "cure worse than disease" from a narrative standpoint for the writers, solving one problem but possibly causing several others.

>>53462161
Ahhj okay^^.

At least the Interex hate chaos.
But the positiom of their home system is a problem. But I thought it could explain the technological power of the seps and is at least a canin faction which is not too implausible to work.

Quick thought I'm posting now before I forget it.

Emperor actually dies, becomes Warp God, allows for powerful human sorcerers?

Could explain how a smaller than OU Imperium survives against two Astartes backed factions.

>>53462308
Less than a fan.

>Could explain how a smaller than OU Imperium survives against two Astartes backed factions.
The fact that the other two factions fight each other too also explains that. So does having greater resources than both.

>>53462279
Just so no one misinteprets anything, the Interex's home system location is 95% guesswork from me.

They could be located anywhere else we want, if the group sees a need for it.

>>53462424
I'd rather not go with that option.

>>53462308
I would avoid this, as well. We may in the end have the Emperor's blessing achieved through faith be a psychic manifestation that resonates with His lingering essence, but the whole idea that he's a generally unconscious and unmoving biological tool in opposition to the ethereal and technically shapeless consciousnesses of the Chaos Gods delivers a nice twist in how the Warp works and I'd rather keep that.

>>53462443
Instead we could have Malcador warp mars over to the galactic east^^.

Now for real: why not? What are points against? I searched and found no hint where they lived. Even the kinebrach are not hinted to have their home in seg. Pacificus.

We know that xenobia is a frontier planet. That the interex consists of about 30 worlds and that murder was a prison planet to keep the megaarachnids.

So please some valid arguments this time. It is a possiblity we could play on. We don't need to. But it is a neat idea which can solve probs or cause new ones.

>>53454689
I like this.

>>53462684
>Now for real: why not? What are points against?
I just don't like taking [thing from 40K] and using it as a solution to our problems when we have other solutions.

Also, it's like asking why don't they just reinvent the scientific method and make breakthroughs in science. 40K doesn't work that way.

>>53456503
Gyahdred would make an interesting Revolutionary Warmaster. Big catch is that he's currently a quiet scientist type. He's also less power hungry and more concerned about cutting inefficiency in the Imperium that he sees as leading to waste of human life.

>>53457189
>>53457341
I personally like the caveman tank legion. I thought the Mastodonii concept was the best of the Hektor Heresy.

>>53458254
>>53458166
>>53458089
How about Malcador is away from Terra? What if he's in Ultramar and gets stuck there?

>>53462895
Well, if anything Gyahdred could be an answer for the tech problem.
>>53463017
That could work, but then he's not in the Imperium helping with their Chaos problems.

>>53463071
The Imperium has faith in the Emperor and His divine Light. Lucky for them, being pants on head is actually a viable strategy in 40k.

>>53463122
But they wouldn't have the Inquisition or Grey Knights. Those guys are kind of important.

>>53463153
Well, they could have the Inquisition. Malcador would get that started pretty early on and religions lend themselves very well to secret police organizations. It could arise naturally or Yochin or one of the other primarchs could put it together. You're right on the Grey Knights, but if there's a psyker legion that gets some religion, they could fill much the same role.

>>53463223
The Knights-Errant could still happen? Instead of Malcador recruiting them it could be one of the Primarchs, or whoever else is running the Imperium.

>>53463223
>>53463153
>>53463122
>>53463071
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exorcists
Or a variant/derivative of these guys could have a much more central role in the AU Imperium. They don't have to be psykers, just get posessed and survive.

>>53463262
Heck, Garro could still be a character. He's Terran-born, right? He just comes from a different Traitor Legion.

>>53463223
It works both ways really.

Malcador could go to the Eastern Fringe before the Ruinstorm, and the Imperium develops its own Inquistion and Grey Knights; or he could stay, and the Separatists develop their own Inquisition and Grey Knights.
>>53463266
Fucking love these guys.

Other options include psychic titans and elite Imperial Guard formations.

>>53462950
The legion of psychotic Disney villains was the best and you know it.

>>53463291
If the AU Imperium is going much more fanatical much more fasterer, then the Exorcists would certainly make sense.

Hell, they're basically purpose-built to be "GKs but spammable".

If a variety of Imperial Chapters were on that path, that could also be a reason for the Seps to stay Seps, because "You fucking did WHAT to Marines?"

Alright ya gits. Time for some order.
Schematically speaking the first question is why the Revolutionaries bugger off.

1. They're cut off by the Ruinstorm and when contact is re-established, they're like NOPE NOPE NOPE.

2. They don't like something about the Imperium:
--A They hate the idea of FILTHY UNTERMENSCHEN HUMIES ruling the Imperium.
--B The Imperium is too big to be efficient, so they want to change up the administrative scheme and tax policy. (This is what Gyahdred literally wants to do.)

3. The Imperium is doing something they don't like:
--A Becoming all religious
--B Becoming totalitarian
--C Not being totalitarian enough

Cont in next post biotches.

>>53463262
They certainly can. We decide on one and go from there.
>>53463266
Most definitely.
>>53463287
Yes!
>>53463291
>Malcador on Terra
I think it's better if he's on the Eastern Fringe because without him and/or faith, the Revolutionaries are fuuuuucked. They can definitely get the Inquisition done, but I think it would take a lot more luck and ass pulls to get the Grey Knights.
>>53463313
Sweet Emperor, which one was that?

>>53463223
>psyker legion that gets some religion

Not to toot my own horn excessively here, but the entire premise of the Steel Souls is "Balance the strains that being a Psyker puts on humans with psybernetic assistance".

They wouldn't have the religious element, but "highly disciplined, largely psyker warriors" they definitely are.

If that helps any.

>>53463343
Another possible reason for the Seps to stay Seps: Legions becoming Chapters.

We know in canon that Dorn's boys came right to the brink of starting their own little Heresy when they were told to break up by Rowboat. There is precedent for the Seps perhaps not wanting to break their Legions apart and submit to Imperial strictures.

What happened, guys?

>>53463327
>If the AU Imperium is going much more fanatical much more fasterer, then the Exorcists would certainly make sense.
>Hell, they're basically purpose-built to be "GKs but spammable".
I don't think they should go fanatic that much faster. Just fast enough so when the seps look at the Imperium they go like "Wut."

>If a variety of Imperial Chapters were on that path, that could also be a reason for the Seps to stay Seps, because "You fucking did WHAT to Marines?"
I was thinking they would be the sep solution, but that works too.
>>53463417
>Another possible reason for the Seps to stay Seps: Legions becoming Chapters.
I suggested this like last thread I think?
>>53463343
>--B The Imperium is too big to be efficient, so they want to change up the administrative scheme and tax policy. (This is what Gyahdred literally wants to do.)
We GRRM now.

>I think it's better if he's on the Eastern Fringe because without him and/or faith, the Revolutionaries are fuuuuucked. They can definitely get the Inquisition done, but I think it would take a lot more luck and ass pulls to get the Grey Knights.
Firstly, they don't necessarily need faith, just restraint. The Eldar lack faith on account of their gods being dead; instead they prevent corruption by forcing themselves into roles and wearing psychological masks.

>>53463343
My favorite is still the ruinstorm. Malcador being cut off with them sounds great. Sounds way better than any sort of treason or him fleeing Terra.

>>53463462
If you already suggested it, then consider it +1 vote from me, I suppose.

>>53463459
Dunno. Heck, still not sure if any other Loyalist legion outside of the Symphonious Disciples would actually bother following along their attempts at making the Ecclesiarchy this early on.

>>53463525
>Malcador being cut off

That kinda makes sense, although then the question becomes why someone with his power and authority doesn't convince some/all of the Seps to simply rejoin the group when the storm clears.

>>53463327
Yep.
>>53463417
So the problem with that totally plausible idea is that it doesn't give us the desired three way brotherwar.

>>53463343
>Continuing.
So I think the biggest goal here, the thing we all agree on is that a three-way brother war is awesome.
This means that every story element in setting up the the heresy/schism must be designed to achieve that end.

So thus far, we have the Emperor ending up enthroned ahead of schedule.

>>53463462
And we may be able to get that via >>53463363

So the result is that regardless of whether or not Malcador goes and chills with the Revolutionaries, they are viable, as is the Imperium. I personally like Malcador being on their side since it fits him, but he can die early enough in the heresy for it to be a non issue.

As a result, the big question is what scenario triggers the splitting.

I think the simplest solution for this is tensions that would arise naturally following Ullanor.
So I propose this scenario:

>The Emperor gets Enthroned
>The Primarchs finish the campaign
>Malcador assumes the regency
>The Primarchs are iffy about this due to varying degrees of ambition and the like. Warmaster is supposed to be the Emperor's successor, right?
>Some legion violates an edict
>One of the Warmasters unilaterally enacts censure.
>This results in some violence
>Malcador tries to stop it.
>YOU'RE NOT MY DADDY
>Fighting continues until Chaos starts up the ruinstorm. At the time, Malcador is trying to negotiate with what will become the Revolutionaries, thinking to use his buddy Gyahdred as a way in.
>In desperation, Yochin is able to assume more control via the Ecclesiarchy. It also works, damn it.
>Someone else institutes an inquisition, perhaps Je'Sha himself.
>Some primarchs probably get dead.
>Meanwhile in the East, Malcador sets up the Grey Knights and the Inquisition.
>Eventually the ruinstorm drops and the Eastern and Western Imperiums each see the other and declare the other traitors.
>Cont.

>>53463525
>>53463525
For the ruinstorm

>>53463677
I for one am cool with this scenario. that has my vote

>>53463677
>cont

>Malcador, if still alive, tries to assert his claim to the throne of Terra as regent.
>High Lords and Je'Sha or his sucessor tell him to fuck off.
>Gyahdred or Rokuten or whoever is all 'well we didn't want to come back either. Hell, if anything we're the real imperium and you're the traitors with your ecclesiarchy and shitty tax policy.'
>Je'Sha responds 'Well, you do tech-heresy and betrayed the Emperor and also consort with Malcador the Usurper. Beg forgiveness and I'll let you return, maybe.'
>Negotiations break down and fighting once again begins.

>>53463658
See above.
Also keep in mind that many of the OU primarchs do not like Malcador. Many of them try beating him up, Moritarion hates him, Dorn thinks he's a creep. Magnus and G-Man like him, but they're the exception, not the rule.

If Malcador is cut off togheter with the seps and declared death after a few decades then he most likely has no political power cuz all bis positions will most likely be filled with successors. So ifthey return to a religious driven imperium which betrays the imperial truth and has the emperor dethroned and encssed in the golden throne it thenit is not so far oft that he stays with the seps who Seem like the old days, even it they have set up a police state etc. They still are legions not little chapters.

>>53450744
>The Breachers
Often utilised in situations of small confinement where the Loxodontii cannot employ their vehicles to great efficiency, the Breachers are used as speartips in boarding actions as well as combat indoors. Utilising shields and bolt-pistols to pave the way for more heavily armed battle-brothers, they still carry their boltgun strapped to their backs in order to provide more adequate firesupport if cut off from otherwise offensively equipped personnel. The Third Chapter was renown for employing the Breachers on as many occasions as possible, sometimes even taking the role of riot police or bodyguard for their primarch when planetside.

>The Outriders
Whether it is the nomadic tribes of the far steppes or the nobility of the great cities, riding is a vital part of the culture of Babylon V. Many children learn to sit in the saddle at the age of six, and to take the reins by the age of eight. As the core approach of the Loxodontii focuses on quickly deploying troops through Rhino- and Razorback-transporters, a sizeable portion imitates those tactics of their homeworld and takes to bikes to escort transporters, intercept enemy fast-attack deployments or to deliver hit-and-run attacks on poorly defended outposts.

>>53463343
RUINSTORM
Malcolm Doctor stays on Terra and keeps it sort of together since Big E is unavailable, tries to explain to the Revolutionaries why there's a Jihadchurch going on but they don't believe him, dies at a key-moment in the Brotherwar

>>53463677
>>53463762
This is easily my favorite idea proposed, as it places Malcador in place to be usurped without it seeming hand-wavey, as he's out in the east trying to calm the Revs collective shit, to varying degrees of success, gives us our tasty brother threesome war, and gives us aa reason the Imperium and SepRevs continue fighting into 40K (both trying to re-integrate the other into their empire)

So it's settled then that this is the outline of what we're doing here?
Anyone who votes for this idea say aye

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>>53463954
Xuns idea?
If so, aye

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Aye.

>>53463677
> it doesn't give us the desired three way brotherwar.
I don't see why it wouldn't, since it's just another reason for people to conflict with each other.

First half works for me though.

>>53463762
>tech-heresy
I'm not sure if there will have been enough time for a whole lot of tech-heresy really. That sort of thing takes a while to bed in. And from a flavor standpoint, going full heretek gives me a queasy feeling. We might need to define exactly where the Seps draw the "tek-heresy" line I think.

Other than that, part two seems fine.

>>53463954
I think there's still some important details to work out, but yeah I'm on board.

>>53463677
>>53463762
Wait so Malcador is or isn't with the Revolutionaries now? The first post says Malcador is loyal up until suddenly he's in the east setting up Inquisition and Grey Knights/our version of Daemonhunters and the second post has him being depowered and trying to get back into the game? Halp I'm consufed.

>>53463607
The Silver Blades aren't following the new "Imperial Cult", they just don't care. They swore loyalty to the Emperor, as a leader, not as a God. Don't know if you meant that.

>>53464042
I think the idea is that Malcador considers himself still loyal to the Imperium, yet gets trapped outside of its core worlds by the Ruinstorm.

But when the Ruinstorm departs (Assuming he's still alive), the Imperium he sees on the other side doesn't look like the Imperium he swore loyalty to.

>>53464042
He isn't with them in the sense he started them, but he's become stuck with them as his posts were usurped during the events of the ruinstorm and the Imperium doesn't really have any interest in letting him back.

>>53463607
>>53464048
Yeah, only Yochin and the Disciples are the only fanatics for the loyalists.
Also are the Titan Marchers Separatists now?

Wait, if a primarch is leading the religious movement, doesn't that mean space marines will be in some position of religious power?

>>53464091
It's possible. That'd make an interesting twist on things, since Space Marines serving as/as part of the Orders Militant for the Ecclesiarchy would significantly alter the origins of the Sisters of Battle.

If they even came to exist at all.

It'd certainly make Goge Vandire's thing a much more serious deal, assuming he's going to be part of the AU.

>>53464091
Not my Legion, aside helping in religious affairs at Kadir.

>>53464018
>Techheresy
Yeah, I just went with the first accusation I could think of.

>>53464042
>>53464068
Pretty much. I'm thinking that the only people who don't consider themselves the ONE TRUE IMPERIUM is Chaos. Everybody is trying to take the throne and it just so happens that the Je'Sha and his more conservative buddies are the ones who ended up with Terra. It could just have easily have been Rokuten and Gyahdred's SUPERIOR TAX POLICIES sitting there and then they'd be the Loyalists and Je'Sha would be the Revolutionary.

Just one way of looking at it, though. It may be that some of the Rev Primarchs wanted to secede.

>>53464084
Yep.


>>53464086
Up to us. Whatever we feel comfortable with, really.

>>53464091
Can be, yes.
>>53464126
Hell yeah.

For simplicity, I'm probably going to refer to the two Imperiums as Eastern and Western, though that's not in-universe nomenclature. It helps me remember that they both see themselves as The Imperium.

>>53464086
Also, now that we have a scenario, we can re-shuffle legions a bit to make the themes work a bit better if we want to. I personally find it a bit weird that the 20th century dictators are all in the Eastern Imperium.

>>53464240
Yeah, I think an exchange of legions is due. I'm not too sure how The Sentinels would feel about leading the religious zealot empire

>>53464240
I'm fine with moving around a bit, I could see them in all factions desu
>Chaos: MOAR GENOCIDE
>Imperium: STUPID SELF-SERVING SCHWEINEHUND
>Seps: FILTHY HUMAN-LOVING UNTERMENSCH

Speaking of Legions, I wrote down in the first page how Ashur views each of his brothers.

>>53464086
The loyalty of the Marchers depends on when the Imperium goes full zealot. If they go pants on head while he's alive, they're going Seperatiat. If they keep adhering to the Imperial Truth until after the Siege of Terra, he stays loyal.

>>53464485
Sarco Funerus is just the name I use, the primarch is called Mot Hadad.

>>53464617
Fix'd

>>53464485
>Views with Hostility: Einchurt
doesn't everyone

Also, I just realised
>Indian
>Tech focussed
>Support Legion
The Titan Marchers are literally tech support

>>53464668
For documentations' sake, I still wrote it down.

>>53464737
Lol

>>53464240
Hey man, I read your curse of the Elver fluff, I like it a lot. If you wanna hash out some details of the request for help letter you sent to Lambach I'd bee keen to work through it.

>>53463762
I like the idea of the ruinstorm separating them from the Imperium and then when they finally reconnect the Imperium they did know is so different that they refuse to rejoin. Perhaps the Separatists originally try to act nice and try open like a trade alliance or something but the Imperium still follows the join us or die kind of thing they have always clung too.
As for the Imperium being completely taken over by religious fanatics I've seen at least 1 or 2 of the Loyalist writers say they have no interest in that for their legions. So we could make it (and this is just an idea) that the Imperium is united but also split, the Imperial cult is trying to take power away from the Imperial truth but neither can get on top of one another. However both factions still cling to Big E. Then to anyone unhappy about why the Imperium didn't just crush the Separatists we can just say that every time a move is made against them it is weakened by internal conflict on the Imperiums side?
Also while I'm not a huge fan of the idea of moving Mars, there is no way it would be impossible in the 40k universe. Look at the Rock for example and there are several other examples of entire planets being built into ships, like Craftworlds on Necron Homeworlds.

>>53464485
>Views Positive: Marduk Engur

That sure as hell doesn't last.

>>53464290
So I think at this point the big question is who would be cool with Yochin.
Who are his friends?
Who would be comfortable using religion as a system for keeping the population under control?
Who could be induced to follow Yochin's cult with traitors at the gates?
Who could be convinced to let the cult propagate amongst the imperium, keeping their own legion secular?
Who could be converted?
Who dies during the heresy and isn't there to oppose Yochin?

We need 6 Primarchs down for Team Yochin/too busy being dead to care.

>>53464485
Good idea.
Atm I'm not sure on everyone, but I've got some thoughts for Gyahdred.

>Einchurt
This fucker is everything wrong with the Imperium. Pragmatism is ok, but purges are for xenos not a regular event. We'd not have to purge if we overhauled the administration system.
>Yochin
Religious idiot. It's like he doesn't even Imperial Truth.
>Lambach
A true friend and ally.
>Raj
Stalwart ally. I'm thinking there'd be an awesome shared campaign.
>Emil
Elitist prick. See the exchange a few threads back. I'll see if I can find it.

Pacha seems cool. I'll have to look into the rest.

>>53465304
>Internal division in the West.
That makes a lot of sense, actually.
I'm not to hot on moving Mars either. There's plenty of forges in the East, including Anvilius, the biggest forgeworld in the Imperium.

>>53465134
Thanks. I'll get to work on that this evening into tomorrow.

>>53465360
>I'm not to hot on moving Mars either. There's plenty of forges in the East, including Anvilius, the biggest forgeworld in the Imperium.
You mean second biggest?

>>53465388
Yeah. I think you're right about that.

>>53465360
Anvilus IX is one of, if not the biggest producers of Land Raiders. It's basically all that entire Forge World is devoted to.

I imagine Mars is bigger as a whole though.

Still need to work on Rokuten's relations, but presumably the Seps are all people who listened to him enough to be swayed.

>>53465448
>Anvilus IX is one of, if not the biggest producers of Land Raiders. It's basically all that entire Forge World is devoted to.
No, he's talking about Anvillus, a different world.

So how about Seps get everything east of the core, the Imperium west.

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Map of the Imperial forgeworlds.

>>53465679
Looks like Ryza and Catachan might be important battleground worlds.

>>53465702
Same with Cadia, but no surprise there

>>53465505
Oh, lol. So there is.

Anvilus and Anvillius. TY GW for that nomenclature.

>>53465847
Don't forget that there are like four different Graias.

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Definitely East of the Core are Accatron (Produces the shit the Elysians use), Anvillus (Known for making Warlord titans, not to be confused with Anvilus IX which I don't know the location of), the Estaban System (Which has 2-3 forgeworlds, they're numbered weird on Lexicanum), Metalica, Megyre, Tigrus(Original makers of the Vanquisher Cannon, Accelerator Cannon, and Hunter Shells), Triplex Phall, and the countless other forgeworlds we can make up because we don't have to use OU worlds.

Have a fuckable techpriest.

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>>53465360
>>Einchurt
>This fucker is everything wrong with the Imperium. Pragmatism is ok, but purges are for xenos not a regular event. We'd not have to purge if we overhauled the administration system.
you flatter me

>>53465881
>implying not all Techpriests are 102% fuckable

>>53465360
>This fucker is everything wrong with the Imperium. Pragmatism is ok, but purges are for xenos not a regular event. We'd not have to purge if we overhauled the administration system.
Too bad sucker, war crimes win wars!

>>53450744
>Psymoritum Squads

Ten-Marine squads led by a Librarian, all 9 Battle Brothers have psybernetic mind-links with the squad leader with which they coordinate and move as a single whole. By sharing the mental burden with their Librarian, the Librarian's mental capabilities are significantly increased in power and range.

A Psymoritum Squad is tasked with long-range sabotage of both enemy minds and technology. Projecting their will across the battlefield, a Psymoritum Librarian can cause machines and their spirits to go silent, explode or rebel against their masters, or an enemy detachment to go mad with terror and even kill themselves. Terrain, distance and armored fortifications are no defense from such an assault, for the Librarian's range is vastly increased by relying on his battle-brothers for mental support.

>Breacher Siege "Ultima" Squads

For most Legions, Breacher Siege Squads are the tip of the spear for assaulting fortifications and engaging in boarding actions. The Steel Souls have taken this unit one step farther and imbued the Breacher's trademark heavy Combat Shields with defensive forcefields and psy-wards. Their helmets are equipped with additional communications gear and psybernetic links as well.

So long as the Marine's will remains strong, his shield will protect him from extremely heavy counterfire, well beyond the norm for this equipment. If need be, the entire squad can ground in place, uniting their wills and armor to deploy a powerful temporary bulwark. While the Ultimas remain largely motionless in a meditative trance, their Astartes brothers may take shelter behind the force-wall and lay down return fire. Even something as large as a Land Raider may be effectively protected by a full Ultima squad.

Thoughts?

So who is chaos Warmaster?

>>53466385
At the Moment I think it is Marduk with perhaps Lambach being the first to turn.

Ok, here is once again a completely un-proof-read write up of the Titan Marchers, the Silver Blades, and The Sentinels when they first meet.
Excuse corny dialogue :P

>The Tale of Three Brothers

Je’she ran through the broken corridors of the ruined palace. Power Glaive in hand as his immense armour shrugged off shrapnel and rubble alike. A being of war in the truest sense, his dark grey armour shone with white text that covered every inch of ceramite. The Harrdinese script told of the tales of his people and the myriad stories and legends that the desert tribes of Harrdid told each other to inspire and bring courage to their hard and brutal lives.
“To me, Sentinels of Harrdid!”, the primarch roared to the legionnaires behind him. The space marines eagerly followed their newly found primarch. So eager were they to please him their enthusiasm bordered on fanaticism. Je’She had accepted his legion with great excitement, and hurried to instill the values and morals that had been taught to him. Je’She and his legion were only newly reunited, but the space marines and their genesire quickly bonded. Eager to prove themselves to each other.
Their third campaign called them to quell a separatist system that had refused the Imperium’s diplomats to pledge allegiance to The Emperor. They were to aid the IVth and the XVIIth legion, the Silver Blades and the Titan Marchers, in the assault of the fortress world of Rengan VI. This world was the main defense of the system, and thus was the first priority of the Legions’ assault.

>>53466817
The IXth Legion’s fleet had warped into the system shortly after they received the order, with Je’She immediately calling for the mass assault of the planet to aid his brother’s that he had never met.

The primarch charged through lasgun fire as he assaulted the blockaded entrance to the throne room. Cutting through the crude defenses as if they were river reeds. His glaive thrumming with power as it cut through ceramite and plasteel.
Flicking his wrist, Je’She immediately brought his weapon about and with several deadly blurs of his glaive cut great slices in defender’s armour, causing great rends in their chest if not completely decapitating them.
Breaking the first line of defense, the legionnaires consolidated his position, creating defensive flanks either side of their primarch, boltguns raised as they entered the ruined antechamber. Walls crumbled around them as artillery rained down on the defensive batteries and dust sat heavy in the air as the grey space marines continued their assault deeper into the palace. Boltguns raised and triggers ready.

As they continued down the main hall, one of the space marines, brother Sahir, Je’She’s vox officer, stopped as he listened to the intense radio chatter flying amidst the battle.
“My lord Primarch”, Sahir began, “I am receiving a hail from the IVth legion. They require reinforcements in the main palace courtyard. Their primarch and his bodyguard are surrounded and are pinned down in the rubble. They say they are holding, but do not know how long they can last.”

>>53466835

Je’She paused, turning to his vox-officer. His soldiers could not see it, but they could hear the suppressed excitement in his voice.
“Then let us go and meet my brother and his men. You know what to do Sahir.”

Then without so much as a pause for breath Je’She was off at a sprint, closely followed by his honour guard. Sahir keeping up a tally of orders for the following companies to assault the palace wings in order to draw enemy reinforcements away from the central courtyard.
They heard the battle before they saw it. The sounds of boltgun bullets and lasgun fire, chainsaws and heavy machineguns, and a great booming voice, echoed down the crumbling hallway as Je’She and his terminator-clad guard made their way to assist their brothers.

They saw the entrance to the courtyard filled with separatist infantry, hiding in the alcoves and crouching behind rubble as they fired into the centre of the courtyard.
However, they heard the rumbling assault of The Sentinels and turned around with a mixture of confusion and terror as they were assaulted by the full might of the Primarch and his chosen Aldrujan.
They fell in a volley of boltgun rounds and power weapon strikes as Je’She ran past them into the central courtyard. Emerging from the shadowy courtyard into the bright clearing.

>>53466850
Je’She’s first sight of his long lost brothers was a bearded giant of a man. Clad in silver and wielding a greatsword, the great primarch of the Silver Blades stood at the centre of the resistance. Standing atop a slab of rubble as his Silver Blade legionnaires surrounded him, his voice rang through any amount of gunfire and shouted in a booming tone, and his sword never stopped moving as the Silver Primarch dismembered and cut through the assaulting waves with casual ease. The bright sun glinting off his silver armour as a joyful smile could be seen through his beard.

The small cadre of Silver Blades and their Primarch was surrounded on all sides. The ground floor entrances were filled with separatist soldiers covering assault squads charging into the defenders with fanatical rage. Sacrificing their lives only to be cut down like cattle. Heavy machine gun emplacements in the upper level rained down on the Silver space marines. Slowly whittling away at their numbers as they gradually fell from the onslaught, fighting bravely all the while.

At Je’She’s command, Sentinel bolter fire quickly struck down the rebels manning the machine gun, causing meaty chunks to fly over the courtyard as a hail of bolter rounds struck down the vulnerable humans.
Charging into the fray head on, the Primarch of The Sentinels cleaved his way to his brother with effortless ease. Cutting his way with his glaive as if he was some ethereal ghost, not some lumbering giant of a man clad in a mountain of ceramite.

>>53466875
The Silver Primarch noticed Je’She fighting his way towards him, at first not knowing what this figure was.
Surprise dawned on his face.
Then joy.
Then laughter.
“DUDE. ANOTHER BROTHER!
With a terrific sweep of his sword, the Silver Primarch broke through his enemies as a fist strikes water. Breaking bodies apart with his power sword as the behemoth of a man led the attack of the Silver Blades through the separatist troopers towards their brothers. The raw power was inspiring as this single act routed the defenders, leaving them scrabbling over their own dead as they tried with all their might to get away from the two primarchs and their space marines.
As the dust settled, with two legions reunited, two brothers stood facing each other. One, a silver knight so huge Je’She seemed small in comparison to his gigantic brother. His bearded face broken in a large smile. He was the figure of power. Every movement hinted at the power to achieve feats only heard of in legend. His silver armour glinting in the sunlight, and his great power sword was
On the other hand, clad in dusk grey power armour covered in foreign script, the smaller Primarch looked up at his brother, and laughed in delight. Speaking in rusty common, Je’She began,
“So… you are my brother? Our father told us about you. But I was not expecting someone so big!”

>>53466890
The Silver giant chuckled at that,
“Nah bro, not all of us are this size, just one or two of us so far. But who knows, the crusades have only begun, who knows where our other bros are? The name’s Linares by the way.” he said, holding out an armoured hand in a warrior’s handshake.
“Je’She of the Watch, and it is an honour to meet my brother on the field of war.”
Je’She returned the guesture. Coal grey armour meeting shining silver.
Linares grinned, “Now time to meet our other bro.”
The two Primarchs walked together through the ruined courtyard towards the throne room. Rubble was everywhere as the dust swirled around their legs. Corpses littered the ground, and blood ran in rivulets in every paveway and crack in the masonry.
As they walked to rendezvous with the XVIIth legion, they received a string of vox transmissions of the assault of the heavily fortified palace landing pad. Personally led by the famed Destroyer of Raat himself.
The two primarchs and their guard fought side by side as they ground their way through the defenders. Breaching gates and fighting through waves of fanatical soldiers.
The Silver Blades and Linares fought bravely in hand-to-hand combat. Nearly foregoing ranged weapons entirely in exchange for the chance to brutally slay their foes with their combat weapons. Je’She and his Sentinels were surprised at first, but quickly adapted as the Aldrujan fell back as ranged support, with Je’She fighting side by side with his brother.
They breached one of the entrances onto the landing pad. The sight they beheld was awe-inspiring.

>>53466901
On the open landing pad they could see miles upon miles of ruined city. The setting sun smothered with ash and dust as columns of smoke rose beneath the glowering embers that were buildings. Marching through the smoky haze came dozens of titans. Appearing as heralds of death; their guns constantly bombarding the palace defenses as they made their way to take the landing pad so reinforcements could arrive.
The defensive batteries above Linares’ and Je’She’s heads were blown to pieces, as charred rubble fell down around them. The titans continued to advance. Their weapons smoldered, glowing hot against the dark sky and their colossal footsteps could even be heard above the din of artillery fire. In the distance, a lone figure could be seen riding atop the lead Titan, rifle in hand.
Already rebel troops were setting up anti-vehicle weaponry on the landing pads and fortifying their positions. Even for an advancing titan, that amount of weaponry at such close range would tear chunks out of the great war machines.
With wordless roars, Je’She and Linares charged the defended positions, glaive and sword fighting side by side as silver and grey space marines advanced behind them, chainswords and bolters in hand.
They routed the defenders with ease, as the defenses above crashed down around them. The footsteps of the titans growing ever closer.
With the last of the defenders dead or fleeing, the two primarchs looked up at the titan now standing level with the landing pad, and saw their brother.

>>53466917
Clad in brilliant hues of blue and orange, Raj Vokar leapt off his Titan with a heavy thud, looking up at his fellow brothers. Approaching them and taking off his helmet. He seemed completely at ease as he walked towards them, his dark face offset by the bright heraldry of the proud Titan Marchers. His legion symbol emblazoned on his pauldron, and repeated again on the goliath titan behind him. Declaring to all who they were dealing with. The Destroyer of Raat, the Master of the Apocalyptican.
The other primarchs took off their helmets. Linares’ face was the epitome of joy.
“Raj dude! It seems you make quite the entrance, I gotta say you know how to put on a show.”
Raj grinned, “I do indeed brother, if you were with me I would’ve had you on the other shoulder of my Titan. That would be quite a sight.”
Turning to Je’She, joy spread across his face.
“You must be one of our lost brothers, I cannot wait to talk with you outside of this battle. We have much to discuss.”
Je’She smiled as he nodded towards his brother.
“I would be honoured. I have heard much about you and your legion, as well as the Silver Blades, but tales cannot truly show the power of your titans, or of the Linares’ size.” He said with a wry grin.
Raj and Linares chuckled,
“That may be so” Raj said, “but now is not the time for a lengthy discussion, we have a story to make, a tale of us three brothers as we take this emperor-forsake palace.”
And with that, the three primarchs once again donned their helmets, rallied their troops, and began the long assault to the keep, to cut off the head of the snake that blocked the Emperor’s vision, for a glorious future for mankind, with the Primarchs leading the way, all them. United.

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>>53449408
>Chapter Constructor: https://bitbucket.org/chaptergenerator/chaptergenerator/downloads/
What is this zip file. It makes things like these but in english instead of russian?

>>53466967
Click the flag.

>>53466967
When the opening screen comes up, press the little Russian flag in the bottom left hand corner and it should turn into an English flag. You are then safe to proceed with any worries of Putin and/or vodka induced alcohol poisoning

>>53466988
>>53466974
thanks

>>53466611
Well, besides Marduk.

I feel like I'm spending so much time on the Legion itself I'm not doing much for the Primarch... I can't think of any good way to flavor him up though

>>53467237
Give him cancer.

>>53467237
The one thing I find helpful when creating characters is to just think up what values do they hold most dear. Whether it be generosity, kindness, or the complete extinction of enemies.
As well as how the character would relate with people, that adds stacks more depth and flavour into your character

>>53467237
I mean, you did write him as a nihilist robot. That does cut out a lot of the usual motivations and emotional depth of a character.

>>53467300
I want him to come across as that, but I want to give him more depth than just that, y'know? It's something that's hard to write down in a more factual document than say... a short story.
Maybe I should writefag for him a bit...

>>53466929
I like it. I'm not 100% on how Linares speaks, but I see why you're doing it.

>>53467078
I think there was also talk of Aššur.

>>53467237
How does he feel about Gyahdred? :P

>>53467331
Usually a good way to do it. What made him the way he is? Is there inner turmoil? I think there's room for a lot of inner conflict or a character study in extremes.

>>53467385
Yeah Linares' speech isn't really my cup of tea either. But the thing with this project is that you have to respect other people's creations while you're making your own thing as well.

>>53467385
He appreciates his dedication to logic and effeciency, such as one could expect from an individual with a Mechanicum up-bringing, but he also feels Gyahdred is... soft. His emotions get the better of them, and he thinks more of what he "wants" to do rather than what he "has" to do.

I also feel like the VI would definitely get called in for the Rangdan Xenocides, so maybe they have some early interactions around then

>>53467331
I had some of the same problem with the Voidwatcher, though that became easier as I came to accept him as a complete and total asshole.

It becomes about mannerisms and just character in general. Only having one emotion/a shallow motivation doesn't mean they can't be interesting outwardly.

>>53467409
Yeah it was something I struggled with too, but the Silverish guy and Raj helped me make his speech fit the story a bit better by using Spanish words.

>>53467409
I like his more casual, laid-back speech, but it can be pretty jarring when he shouts "DUDE" or "Fuck"

>>53467473
That's true. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks man.
Do you guys connect on Discord or something?

>>53467460
It'd be really interesting to do a write up with The Sentinels and the Death's Heads. They have nearly opposite tactics and doctrine.
Maybe have it centered around two captains to make it more personal rather than using a larger-than-life figure like a primarch

>>53467487
Nah just on here, though my discord info is in the spreadsheet if you like. I let them edit my document so that they could change whenever I used Dude or Fuck to something in Spanish, it certainly helps keep his speech flowing without jarring at you. Definitely hit them up.

>>53467460
What about Rokuten?

>>53465134
Alright, so, the timeline is basically this:
Gyahdred is found right before the Rangdan Xenocides begin. The Brotherhood which really does need a better name, is the front line, the night breakers. This was their intended purpose and the legion has all kinds of nasty weapons.
I'm thinking before Gyahdred, they're insular and mysterious, active from near the beginning, leading assaults against psyker foes and xenos monstrosities. They often work with the sisters of silence and have the technical ability to modify their kit.
Gyahdred fits this perfectly and brings the mechanicum integration to a new level.

Anyways, the Rangdan Cerebrovores and up cursing the legion or bring out the curse in them. At the height of the third war, Gyahdred tries a very aggressive strategy using the librarius. It backfires horribly and a chapter plus is lost in an instant.
The other thing is that in trying to control the curse, some extreme measures are taken, which gives the already infamous legion a dark reputation.
So essentially, the mad scientist in his Schwarzwald Castle sends out a letter asking for advice on psyker stuff, and that's what I've got at the moment.

>>53467460
That would be cool. I think they could operate alongside each other well for a while and the issues only come out when they have to deal with human worlds.

>>53467544
Effective, and willing to wage war in a way that sees him handicap himself in order to preserve others, yet willing to make the hard decisions when needed.

I could see the two being friends.

>>53467684
How would Einchurt view Je'She?

I'm really conflicted. Should Marduk be a confused and deluded religious zealot who honestly thinks he's saving the souls of the people he sacrifices or a psychotic and violent nut who just wants to please the dark gods because he's in love with Tiamat.

>>53467859
Should I just write up how he views everyone, get it all in one place?

>>53467933
Yeah, that sounds like a good idea

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>Marduk
While he has his moments of tactical brilliance, his occultism is dangerous. He should be watched closely.
>Pacha
An interesting and compassionate man, but has issues making hard decisions. A friend maybe, an ally hopefully, but best kept away from our warzones.
>Deshain
All too often am I compared to this thing, masquerading as my brother. He shows no restraint, and is too childish to be trusted.
>Linares
Calm and collected, yet impulsive and stubborn, a dangerous combination if underestimated. His friendship will not be forgotten, although his casual demeanour can be somewhat grating.
>Emil
While his tactics and men are trustworthy, Emil is prone to emotional outbursts. Combine this with their excessive reliance on Psykers, and one has a truly horrific predicament.
>Matlalihuitl
My winged brother is an odd one, isn’t he? He claims to hear voices, but then again so do many psykers.
>Lambach
His confidence intoxicates him, his psychic gift misleads him, and his upbringing means he is little more suited to ruling this Imperium than any mortal. Despite this, I see the two of us as similar, and hope to guide him on a better path.
>Je'She
Takes unnecessary risks protecting mortals and can let his emotions get the better of him, but his tenacity and ferocity are... respectable.

Part 1 of 3 I guess

>>53467557
Yeah that sound decent. I'm thinking Lambach would answer a summons personally and leave the Legion in the hands of Radcliff. Something he does often whenever something takes his fancy. Much to Radcliffs frustration but still takes on the role. Lambach could spend a faor amount of time with his brother and develop the close bonds that leads to them being friends. Then after his big fight with Raj and Linares would turn to your legion for aid.

>>53468315
>Isekho
I never thought I’d see the phrase “The blind leading the blind” exemplified in the flesh. My brother Isekho is a hardened man, and his methods work well enough.
>Yochin
Emotional, religious zealot, unpredictable, prone to extremes, ineffective. True proof that even the Emperor makes mistakes.
>Ashur
His compassion does neither him nor his sons any good. He calls himself many things, all of them thinly veiled hypocrisies.
>Hayden
His patience only hides his emotional side. He may be slow to anger, but he can be slow at many other things, too.
>Gyahdred
He appreciates his dedication to logic and efficiency, such as one could expect from an individual with a Mechanicum up-bringing, but he also feels Gyahdred is... soft. His emotions get the better of them, and he thinks more of what he "wants" to do rather than what he "has" to do.
>Valorn
His stubbornness is childish, but he has seen much hardship. I always feel I can put my trust in him.

Part 2 of 3

>>53468458
>Raj
His optimism and patience do him wonders, and he truly weighs his options. While his outbursts can be troublesome, he has always been a reliable ally.
>Quaestor
His professionalism and loyalty are both helpful and dangerous. Every action must be weighed with this unpredictability when around him.
>Mot
An interesting one, although he seems not to understand when the tyranny must end. I am still unsure of my brazen brother, but I would not be surprised if his ambition were his death.
>Rokuten
Effective, and willing to wage war in a way that sees him handicap himself in order to preserve others, yet willing to make the hard decisions when needed. I could see the two being friends.

Part 3 of 3

>>53468315
>>53468458
>>53468546
Damn it. Now Gyahdred has a respect for Einchurt in spite of himself. I suppose its one of those things where you can only really have those intense emotions across a space of empathy. Sort of a damn it Einchurt, I know you could make the Imperium a better place with me if only you let yourself care. And you don't even spend your time fighting monsters.

Perhaps they meet on the battlefield, get along, the campaign ends, there's the biopogroms to exterminate infected citizens and both legions do their duty. There's respect. And then there's an incident on a human world. Maybe they're not compliant yet, they're considering it. Or maybe there's a rebellion? Anyways, its a situation where there's a more peaceful option that will take a while Einchurt's point is that they're in a hurry and there's time tables to keep to.
Gyahdred says they can take their time with humans, they're the point of the crusade.
Not sure what Einchurt's response is, but I've got a feeling he says that victory is the point of the crusade.

>>53468727
Stray thought. I think part of what's up with this is also that Gyahdred believes that if he allowed himself to accept that premise, think as Einchurt does, he would succumb to a form of the Curse of the Elver.
Quite literally, the monster within is the Elver. "It is a psychological construct given tangible form by alien malice. In this way perhaps my sons are fortunate, for where moral degradation and decay of will may pass unnoticed in others, for us it is tangible." -Gyahdred
The Brotherhood of the Abyss is constantly playing chess with madness and that's why they are so fanatically devoted to the ideals of the Emperor. If they gave in to nihilism, the Elver would consume them. (Not that that's the only way to get it-- fury, shock, malefica, extreme stress are more common causes.)
Actually might be neat if there is an Istvaan or Calth betrayal of the XVth. Anyways, in such an event, you'd have Elver in the initial betrayal, and then you'd have survivors slowly going mad with it. The hunt to exterminate would quickly become more like Alien vs Predator.
I'd suggest Lambach as the engineer of such a betrayal, but he knows about the Elver and wouldn't make that mistake, though I think there's a battle or two he wins by making the defenders go Elver and breaks their cohesion.

One of the things I think Malcador does is reinstate their librarius and develop ways to shield minds albeit imperfectly. This and some mild augmentation like Skitarii reinforced to deal with chaos. Alternatively, triggering Elvergang is as dangerous to the attacker as it is disruptive to the legion. Ideally it's a weakness, but not a crippling one.
Next thread I'll do something on the Nosferati.
And if anyone can think if a better name than Brotherhood of the Abyss, let me know.

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Might as well give initial information on Calixis-Sector seeing as there is some interest:

In OU, the sector was explored in the mid-36th millennium and conquered 322-384 of 39th millennium. Obviously, in this AU it may be taken by one faction or the other earlier or later, or not at all.

The sector has three notable advantages: notable population of pre-Imperial settlers, high quantity of natural resources, some of which are practically impossible to find elsewhere, and its location to the galactic Northwest of the Eye of Terror works as an excellent staging point for exploring the Halo Stars.

The sector does have its share of opposition to outside advances: Chaos-worshipping alien species of Yu'Vath and the human civilization of Adranti are most notable opposition to would-be-conquerors.

Yu'Vath technology is based on Chaos and other, more local occult powers. Slavers, sorcerers and Daemon-worshippers, and ruthless in war and vengeance alike, they may prove an insiduous threat even after extermination, however thorough.

Adranti, on the other hand, are tecnologically advanced civilization who use many warp-based technologies and understanding of the occult, and in OU, exterminated as heretics to both Imperial Creed and Credo Omnissiah.

Not much more is set in stone of either of these factions, leaving more than enough blank spots to fit them however one wants to a game of Dark Heresy, or in our case, an Alternate Universe.

>>53468315
Deshain...childish????

How does Emil fit in with the Separatists at this point?

I don't see it.

There is a better version of whatever you kiddos are trying to make here, it's called Warhammer 40k

>>53466817
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>>53466929
I like this a lot. Criticism is going to rain about the use of such a casual language, but the ecstasy of battle and the joy of finding a lost brother would justify it.

>>53470690
The problem was never that Linares speaks casually, it's that words like 'dude' and 'bro' don't fit the 40k mood. Simply using spanish words fixes that issue.

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>>53470817
What is the spanish equivalent for 'dude'
I'm cautiously guessing 'hombre' is good enough for 'bro'?

>>53470848
"Tío", I guess. Or "Macho". I prefer "Tío"