So Frederick is going to be the Sep Warmaster? We're all in agreement on that? Has any form of consensus been reached on who stays Loyal then? Rokuten?

Also, what are the new dudes called? I read some disagreement on the name.

>>53592279
>Previous Thread:
Actually here: http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/53537257

>>53592490
I knew I missed something.

>>53592480
Last I heard they start out as the Imperial Dragoons and later become the Emperor's Dragoons.

>Apothecary Magos Ulktar Rpaketsin
Rpaketsin is perhaps the most infamous member of the XVth legion's apothecarion. Rebuked on several occasions for straying into abomination, Rpaketsin is none the less brilliant and is reknowned for his abilities in fleshcraft. He specialises in servitors, playing a leading role in the Khorba-Po, but is also expert in interring marines in Dreadnoughts sarcophagi.

>Apothecary Magos Gesar Klagri
Klagri specializes in the neurosurgery used in the XVth to prevent the Curse of the Elver. This is done via an aparatus known as the Cabinet, a neuro-chiergeon.
By and large, the legionaries treated by Klagri and made into Nosferatii are the more unstable of the Brotherhood, rendered a risk for transformation either by injury or temperament. Klagri's Cabinet seems to work wonders, turning a raving madman into a calm and collected hunter, but the cost is high. While Nosferatii excell in their missions, they lose what some may call essential humanity. Even so, it is better than the other option.

>>53593375
Good stuff. I should get to fluffing out some legion characters.

PROMPT: What role would your Primarch have fulfilled once the Great Crusade was finished? Would he have been happy with this role?

>>53593375
A bit lazy with the characters, I know.
Goes without saying that Rpaketsin is ambitious and proud. Ends up going too far and creates something horrible that he has to hunt down. Because this is 40k and we can't have nice things, the creature probably turns to chaos. Or turns to fanatic emperor worship and makes things really weird. It's a minor incident, whatever it is.

Klagri, on the otherhand is pure professional. He's obsessed with controlling the mind and better systems for hypno-indoctrination. This all results in a noticeable bump in recruitment rate for the XVth and there's also probably a bunch of hypno conditioned auxiliae. In the end, he probably ends up trying to mix hypnosis and mind control with psykers, trying to undo the curse.
Because this is 40k, it ends poorly.

>>53593437
Gyahdred would have been a scientist-bureaucrat. He'd have been delighted. He'd build things all day and then optimize administration and infrastructure and never have to talk to anyone he didn't feel like talking to. He'd also get to hang out with Malcador and senior Magi and other Primarchs. Gyahdred is one of those introverts capable of extroversion and leadership, but who would much rather be in the lab. Without humans expecting things from him. Campaign isn't so bad, it's actually like having a whole bunch of puzzles thrown at you, which is fun, the problem is having to deal with people who want things from you.
Make it into a game or a puzzle and he's there, but most normal social interaction is just boooooooring.

>I don't want to be at this ball.
>Why is everyone standing around eating such small food?
>Why are they bothering to play music if we can't listen to it?
>Why are the people so resistant to my new mass transit system? We will build them a new city, they just need to move.
>Why is Yochin still talking about the music. He could just send me the score or a recording and I could enjoy it myself. Alone. Without him.
>Looks like somebody just made a primarch dick joke over there.
>I wonder why dad made us all look male.
>Ugh. It's only been five minutes.

>>53593437
Lambach would have been a teacher, he would have collected as much knowledge as he could and used it to teach those willing to learn. He would have helped to shape the principles of planetary politicians and such. This is how he would have been happiest.

>>53593437
PROMPT-ANSWER:

Either the Emperor would have user Kane to surpress xenos uprisings or revolutions vor he would have sent him Ingo unknown territory to push the boundaries if the great crusade over the galactic frontier. He would have known that he can't keep Kane from the battlefield and in doing so he someday has to execute Kane.

>>53593437
I reckon Valorn would've been head of the Imperial Spy Network. After all, his legion has a pretty significant focus on stealth so he'd probably be used to overseeing covert operations. As for if he'd like it or not, I feel like he'd enjoy the challenges this new position granted him at first. After a while he'd probably start to get restless, likely feeling that while his cerebral skills are being exercised his physical combat skills are being left to rust. He'd never outright hate the position, but I feel he would start to feel trapped by it in his later years.

>>53593437
I suppose Mot would have been a satisfactory empire builder, but it was clear to many that his aspirations were too large to let him survive for long after the Crusade. At least he was good at building infrastructure on worlds that he conquered.

Oooh, PROMPT:
Which legion is your legion's rival and/or hated enemy, and why?
The Forge Lords hate the Titan Marchers for their ideals and for inflicting great losses on them at the first battle of Terra.

>>53593437
Raj would most likely take up the role of civil engineer. He would inevitably pick up some sort of work involving construction of crafting, and his countless years of strategically analyzing cities and entire planets would have given him great insight on effectively designing buildings and infrastructure. He would greatly enjoy his new life. The Crusade had been a blast, usually literally in his case, but Raj would settle into a more peaceful life quite easily. The thing that would keep him on edge however, would be his warlike brothers who'd have problems laying down their weapons.

>>53593863
Raj would be the guy that tries to get Gyahdred to have a drink and come have a smoke outside.

>>53594699
Not much more to add to that.

Raj likes basically every single one of his brothers in some way, except for Mot and his legion. Their brash, selfish and aggressive attitudes are directly opposed to the Titan Marchers' values of patience, rationality and duty.

Dammit, why didn't you tell me you made a new thread! Now I feel like an idiot.

Doc, this is your fault! You're fired! Dropped! Terminated! Get outta here! Fuck this, I'll have my own thread! With blackjack and hookers!
>So Frederick is going to be the Sep Warmaster? We're all in agreement on that? Has any form of consensus been reached on who stays Loyal then? Rokuten?
Rokuten has better things to do than stay loyal. Like usurping the warmaster.
>>53593437
>Good stuff. I should get to fluffing out some legion characters.
Same.
>PROMPT: What role would your Primarch have fulfilled once the Great Crusade was finished? Would he have been happy with this role?
Undoubtedly, Rokuten would've continued his ambition for the throne of Terra, and ultimately be executed for treason after either failing to succeed in a coup or having his treachery leaked. At least, that's more likely than succeeding. The Ogre Legion would schism between those who accept penance for their primarch's betrayal and those who were loyal to him above the Imperium.
>>53594699
>Which legion is your legion's rival and/or hated enemy, and why?
Ironically, the Ussaran Liberators, a fellow separatist legion. Their ideologies are polar opposites; one supports an egalitarian movement of equality while the other supports a traditional semi-caste-based hierarchy.

The legion also does not really like the Death's Heads, ironically, but Rokuten finds them a useful instrument more willing to fight dirty than the Ogre Legion.

>>53592480
>Also, what are the new dudes called? I read some disagreement on the name.
Whatever you wanna call them. I call them the Honhon Marines.

>>53592480
>>53592690
>>53595360

Sorry guys, I'm doing a lot of stuff in the weekend and won't really have time to contribute. Will check in now and then though

Speaking of Napoleonic Marines, is Totally Not British still around?

>>53595487
I spoke with him on Discord a while back. He's been busy job hunting.

>>53592690
That's just my input

Napboi has not confirmed nor denied that name.

>>53593437
Ashur would most likely have been responsible for infrastructure planning and transportation, both planetary and interplanetary, postum the galaxy being conquered.

>>53594699
That is difficult to say. I think a rivalry between the Loxodontii and the [Dragoons] would be interesting since both are focused on fast attack. Another rivalry/antipathy would be with the Chosen of Hecate for their intense psykerdom (Be the Magnus to my Russ baby).

Hatred? Good choices are the Death's heads and Einchurt or the Gunslingers and Kane.

If Kane uses more bikes in his tactics they may also be worthy rivals for fast-attack tactics.

>>53593437
>What role would your Primarch have fulfilled once the Great Crusade was finished? Would he have been happy with this role?
After helping out Emil, Pacha would've just called it a day and retired, going back to tending his farm, but always ready to answer requests for help or to meet with his extended family.
In the meantime, the Golden Mountains would've dedicated themselves to taming Death Worlds and making them properly inhabitable.

>Which legion is your legion's rival and/or hated enemy, and why?
The Forge Lords. Pacha sees Mot Hadad as an utter and complete tyrant who doesn't care about the citizens of the Imperium.

>>53596560
Lots if bikes yes.. Fast vehicles. Are cool. Thxare slow.

>>53597035
Tanks are slow.

Kane has no rival cause he would have to aknowledge that the other is in the same level.

However, he totally dislkes Rokuten because he hates Clowns and don't und er stand Samurai culture. Who would enter a gunfight with a sword?

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>>53597111
>Tanks are slow
Depends on the tank.

>However, he totally dislkes Rokuten because he hates Clowns and don't und er stand Samurai culture. Who would enter a gunfight with a sword?
AKTHUALLY, the Ogre Legion has no problem with guns, though they consider their use in duels as strange.

>>53592279
So, what'd I miss?

>>53597383
Not much, weekend tend to be slow anyway. Couple prompts.

>>53597035
>>53597111
Don't drink and shitpost, kids. That's what happens.

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>>53598083
Don't be ThatGuy.

>>53597383
Maybe a second Nikaea type event about religion.

>>53598536
>Maybe a second Nikaea type event about religion.
The Emperor is pretty set upon not allowing religion period.

>>53598573
Exactly, it's more like him taking the legions off to the side and telling them to get their act together and maybe addressing why the Mechanicus is okay. It gets interrupted before he can really put his foot down by the Ullanor Crusade which leads to him being incapacitated. So it leaves everyone a little confused on the status of things and leads into the schism in the Heresy.

>>53598643
Why would they be confused though?
>Dad calls everyone together because some of us did something he told us not to do
>Before he can yell at us, he gets shot
>Wait, does that mean he wants us to do the thing he told us not to do?

>>53598643
Also, in canon, the Council happens after Ullanor.

>>53594699
The Pale Hounds really hate the Symphonious Disciples. Like REALLY hate them. It's mostly to do with the SD's zeal, which the hounds view as a poor mans professionalism, but it's also got a great deal to do with the fact that the SD's almost worship the Emperor as a god. Even then that's less to do with the fact that it violates the imperial truth and more to do with the fact that they see it as incredibly narcissistic (seeing as it implies that primarchs/space marines are basically demigods and that whole scenario trivialises the value the hounds put on perfection, seeing as they have to struggle to achieve their perfection and Godhood implies that perfection is inherent, so all the Hounds struggles are worthless. The Hounds don't like that implication)

>>53593437
Something something "Astronomicon", something something "Humanity's Psychic Ascension", something something "Mechanical Apotheosis", something something "Transhumanism probably"

>>53594699
Rival: Chosen of Hekate/Lambach. Friendly rivalry at first, Emil playing the Hare to Lambach's Tortoise in regards to their usual specialties.

Hated Enemy: *Also* Chosen of Hekate/Lambach. Lambach should have been the yin to Emil's yang, acting as the more conservative counterbalance when Emil pressed too far forward, but always serving as a competitor to spur Emil further ahead. No one hates someone quite as much as two similar people who chose different paths, for by doing so they implicitly reject the other's choice and call it into question.

Lambach sees only that Emil fled, or was unworthy of Chaos. Emil sees only that Lambach succumbed to temptation, or took the easy way out.

Both fail to see the other from an objective lens.

(If I'm putting too many words in Lambach's mouth, let me know though Borp)

>>53598459
I should be mad at you but I can't.

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>>53599616
Your pics are starting to make me feel uncomfortable Roku-San plis stop.

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>>53599778
The horny kind of uncomfortable or the "Oh god, I don't remember what that was called but I know it had lolis in it" uncomfortable?

>>53599812
The "I have been having groin pains for the past week and my doctors don't know how to make it go away so I'm just trying to wait it out but you posting smug girls drawn in korean sweatshops is making my nether regions flare up in painful arousal" uncomfortable.

You cunt.

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>>53599863
Consider fetishes other than lolicon pls

>>53598536
>>53598573
>>53598643
>>53598710
So the post from last thread is All the Primarchs go to see Star Wars
>Gyahdred sees Greivous and thinks "THAT EXACTLY IS WHAT MY LEGION NEEDS"
>Rokuten won't stop pretending he's Mace Windu
>Emil spends the next few days trying to build a light saber and soon comes to resent the Vader jokes.
>Einchurt is quiet afterwards but soon gets a poster of Grand Moff Tarkin, his new waifu.
>Linares cosplays Chewbacca
>Mot is irritated and puzzled that nobody compares him to Vader. Nobody does because they don't want to piss him off.
>Pacha is quiet, holding back from most of the discussion of droids and space battles. He's still wondering why the milk was blue.


>>53587973
>>53588139
Good point. Alright, so:
>Marduk and Yochin both do some religion. The Emperor is irritated, but it's not that big of a deal as neither of them is quite so bad at conquering as Lorgar. Mot is also up to no good, with some alleging that he's trying to set himself up as divinity. Marduk is the best of the bunch, keeping it as mostly legion only thing.
>Things draaaaag. Looking at you Yochin and Mot.
>The Emperor gets pissed.
>He's going to go yell at them and then it occurs to him that there's also the admech and he really ought to plan this out carefully so as to avoid causing problems. Good job, Emperor.
>Summons everyone to Kalkedon to discuss the Imperial Truth.
>No more religion, you guys. Except the Admech. What they're doing is fine. I'm thinking the best way to get this sort of thing to make sense is if it's sort of done up in parallel to Confucius on religion, see below. (I'm in grad school for ancient history. What can I say?)
>Prepares to implement, when OH SHIT MASSIVE WAAAAAGH
>Ullanor Crusade Ensues.
>Emperor is Vegetized.
>Yochin's cult, having not been disestablished because of the WAAAAAAAGH gets a huge boost because people are terrified...

>>53599920
>Ullanor is ended, vaporized?
>Ullanor campaign ends with the defeat of the Orks. But by this time, Yochin's cult has really spread some.
>There's some movement to disestablish Yochin, Mot, and Marduk's stuff, but none of it is particularly clear. The Crisis of Ullanor prevented things from being well managed.
>Rules as intended are clear. No religion except admech because they make stuff. Rules as written not so much.
>Yochin makes the case to Je'Sha that the cult holds the Imperium together and that the worshipers ought not be censured because they're mere mortals.
>Je'Sha thinks this sounds good because Imperial Cult worshiping mortals are often loyal citizens etc. In return, Yochin steps down as high priest and all that. From then on, mortals run the Ecclesiarchy. Astartes protect them, but do not rule them.
>Some people do not think this has gone far enough. Assur or Frederick order censure and Einchurt? eagerly complies.
>Things heat up from there.
>Years later, the Ecclesiarchy uses Kalkedon as justification for its monotheistic policies.

So what actually does Kalkedon say that causes so much trouble in interpretation?
Well, the problem is that the Emperor really did a good job wording the damn thing so as not to piss off the admech and to allow him a free hand to implement it as he saw fit. You see, the Big E hadn't counted on being vegetized.

I'm imagining something like:
We do not yet know how to serve humanity, how can we hope to serve gods?
Ours is the realm of the manifest, it is beneath us to speculate on superstition, goblins, and gods.

The catch here is that without the Emperor to push the censure of the Imperial Cult, Yochin rules lawyer that the Emperor is part of that manifest realm and he's not mere superstition. The Admech loophole is there, too, since Machine Spirit is distinctly measurable and quantifiable. Mot is easier to nail for encouraging superstition, but nobody's thinking of him until it's too late. As usual.

>>53599899
Well you're the one who started it

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>>53599920
>Rokuten won't stop pretending he's Mace Windu
Rokuten thinks he's Palpatine.
>>53599965
>>53599965
I did not start your loli fetish!

>>53599920
>>53599949
On board with this.

>>53599978
Neither did I

It was GOD!

>>53599920
>All the Primarchs go to see Star Wars
Valorn commissions a Jyn Erso body pillow and insults Einchurt's "CGIafu"

Last thread I asked about good books about chaos marines aside from the Word Bearers omnibus. Any suggestions?

Also, how individually powerful should Mot Hadad be? I can't see him being a combat powerhouse but I don't think it fits thematically for him to be Lorgar-tier.

>>53599920
>Primarchs see Star Wars
Raj just wants a Death Star… he also cringes at the scene where the AT-AT's are tripped.

>>53599920
>>53599949
>Primarchs See Star Wars.
Refuses to admit it but is totally cheering for the Rebels and is offended that Obi-Wan turns down the death sticks

>In terms of the council
Argues against religion because religion implies an order and all people are equal.

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>>53600359
>Argues against religion because religion implies an order and all people are equal.
>Rokuten's fw

Oh...also 8th Ed have hovertanks

>This pleases me greatly

>>53599920
OK. To recap the issues raised with this at the end of the last thread:

It is a significant change from the OU. Lorgar walked, then crossed, the line between hero-worship of the Emperor and religious worship of the God-Emperor. Although Yochin is basically rock & roll Lorgar, Marduk starts off worshiping a destroyer goddess and Mot.... isn't well detailed in the google docs. As an aside, the more you guys rely on what you all remember from the threads and discussion on other platforms, the more closed off you get.

Now, change from the OU is to be expected (otherwise you're writing OU fanfic rather than an AU), but this is playing with a central figure of the 40k milieu so you probably shouldn't undertake it lightly. Think on these questions.

1. Are you comfortable making a significant change to the aims and methods of the Emperor?
2. If so, is a change on religious matters the absolute last change, or are you open to more tinkering with that character?
3. If not, how do you recommend reconciling established themes in the religious Legions with the atheistic ambitions of the Emperor?

I guess my view - which is only advice - should be clear from the tone, so I'll just throw another 2c on (3). If you dial back the religiosity of the Legions and have a brewing crisis at the time of the Emperor's disappearance, then the Triumvirs could preside over Kalkedon and the settlement (or lack of settlement?) there would reflect their views, not those of the Emperor.

>>53600501
40k has always had hovertanks, Mon-keigh.

Yet another idea for a guard regiment, this time seps. It was an idea from Hektor Heresy that never came into fruition.

>Kharkov Death Battalions
Not-Russky penal tank regiment from an icy prison world, tank hatches are welded shut.

If Frederick is SepWarmaster, I'll go Loyalist, since 1) I can see Einchurt staying loyal because "muh orders" and 2) so as to stop the pussyfooting

>>53593437
The Death's Heads and Einchurt wouldn't truly know an end to the Great Crusade. Their job is to protect Humanity from not only the worst monsters it knows of, but those it should never know of (I'm imagining a number of DH Campaigns show up simply as "+Data Expunged+" or something). They would have continued being the things that hunt that which goes bump in the night.

>>53600759
>>53600831
Actually, these two kind of tie in. I can see Einchurt being the one the Emperor can trust to tell things to simply because he knows Einy isn't the type to get emotional over things, so I'd think that Einchurt would know for a while before the Brotherwar that his role would always be the watcher in the dark, so to speak, and would want to stay with the Imperium since, even if they're going pants-on-head, they're still the Humanity dad wanted to save so bad. I could also see him at some point fighting Daemons and other warp-spawn during the Great Crusade, and recognizing the same during the Brotherwar against the Traitors and realizing that maybe this was the very thing he was designed to protect man from.

Je ne sais pas, just spit-balling as usual

>>53598573
My only worry about making it about religion is that wasn't the entire great crusade about stopping religion? I mean in OU when he finds out about Lorgar doing it he doesn't hold a council he straight up forces the Ultramarines to murder Lorgars favorite planet of innocent people.
This is because he'd made it clear that relegion was bad from the start. Nokeea was putting a stop to psykers which he had been fine with until that point.
Just how I see it anyway?

>>53600919
Yes! The parallelism between the Deaths Heads and the Brotherhood of the Abyss continues!
Honestly one big reason I'd be sad to see them go loyalist.

>>53601005
The crusade was about conquering the galaxy first, Imperial Truth second.

Imperial Truth is meaningless if the galaxy isn't under control. But, in canon it was certainly a priority (Monarchia)

>>53601005
Well in the OU it was only Lorgar, now we've got Yochin, Marduk, and Mot(?), so he can't just forcibly show one that "religion bad euphoria good" and use them as an example, as he'd have a larger issue on his hands. The psyker issue involved multiple Legions, and divided them, whereas everyone kind of thought Lorgar was silly with his praying.

And yes, the point was to wipe out religion, that's uh. Sort of the problem

>>53601059
>Mot
What makes you think he's a religious primarch?

>>53601050
>The crusade was about conquering the galaxy first, Imperial Truth second.
The entire purpose of the Great Crusade was to institute the Imperial Truth.

>>53601046
I do like the dichotemy of the one who seems unconcerned with mortals staying Loyal to protect them, and the one concerned with mortals secceeding because he doesn't like how some of them are acting

>>53599530
Nah dude I like it, it wasn't something I had thought of but it makes a lot of sense.
During the crusade Lambach has a lot of respect for Emil and sees him as probably the best of the psykic brothers.
Which would be why he doesn't quite understand why Emil wouldn't turn against the Emperor after he attempts to ban them.

>>53601077
I've seen him refferenced by others as one of the religious ones, but I never got that vibe. Hence the question mark

So when does the Emperor assign the Warmasters? In the OU he does it after Ullanor, but now Ullanor happens earlier(?) and the Emperor gets incapacitated. I'd also like to repeat that, in the OU, the Council of Nikaea/Trial of Magnus happens AFTER Ullanor, and now we're saying there's a second Council against religion, so obviously after the anti-Psyker one, and BEFORE Ullanor?

The timeline doesn't make sense to me here.

>>53601109
Oh weird, I never intended for him to come across that way. Anyone else have input on that?

>>53601145
Bigger hats.

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>>53601156
Well they are based on chaos dwarves.

>>53601145
It stems from Xun mentioning Mot in >>53599920
as one of the Primarchs chastened at Kalkedon.

>>53601174
Hats not big enough, bigger hats. I want to be able to use them as body pillows by the end of it.

>>53601177
Ohh, that might have been for basically ensuring that worlds he conquered were loyal to him first and constructing manufactorums on them that weren't sanctioned by the Mechanicus.

>>53601211
Oh. That's trivial. Roboute did the same thing and doesn't get called a Traitor.

>>53601135
I think we could / should just throw the psyker 1 in with the relegion one. Like he does the big council and is all super serious and band calling him a god or whatever. Then as everyone is getting out of thier chairs to leave he is like. "Oh. P.S. No more psykers either, cause that can lead to discoveries about relegion I don't want you to know about. Kthxbai."

>>53601243
Roboute wasn't an asshole. Is Mot an asshole?

>>53601336
>Roboute wasn't an asshole.
[citation needed]

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>>53601135
Everything goes to shit in the OU crazy fast, like 5 years from Ullanor.
Let's say the Emperor postpones Ullanor a bit, to his detriment, since the Orks are more ready.
The build up to the full heresy is a bit longer too, after Ullanor.
So
>980s 3 Warmasters
>99x Nikea if we have it. (A decade early)
>997 Kalkedon
>997 Ullanor begins (late)
>999 Emperor wounded
>005 Ullanor ends
>005 Trouble begins
>007 Brother War gets going
>010 Chaos makes its showing as rainstorm begins

Else >>53600517
2c seems pretty good.

>>53601356
Why has his other hand gone dickward?

>>53601336
Roboute is subjectively an asshole, Mot is written to be an asshole.

>>53601413
He's grabbing the sword's grip by the pommel?
>>53601430
See? Nobody likes Mot, especially not the Mechanicum.

>>53593437
>PROMPT: What role would your Primarch have fulfilled once the Great Crusade was finished? Would he have been happy with this role?:

Je'She's role would have most likely been to oversee the reconstruction of the Imperium according to the Emperor's will, as well as to maintain order, with The Sentinels acting like military police/humanitarian SWAT teams in small battle-groups across the Imperium

>>53594699
I feel like The Sentinels and the Ogre Legion would have a rivalry, as the Ogre Legion's philosophy of the warrior class lording over the serfdom conflicts with The Sentinel's philosophy of being a leader is to serve, not to be a tyrant.
Also, the Ogre Legionnaire's devotion to their primarch is fanatical even beyond the normal legionnaire admiration for their primarch, which The Sentinels find disturbing.
Primarch personalities conflict, tactical doctrines conflict, and their views on humanity conflict.

which equals cool mutual dislike/rivalry ;)
What do you think Rotuken?

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>>53599920
>All the Primarchs go to see Star Wars
>Je'She is in love with Tatooine, thinks it's the best planet ever
>Gets offended when Anakin hates sand
>Spends the next few months re-writing the script in his spare time to make it less cringy
> It's in Harrdinese. All of it

>>53599920
>>53599949
Sounds fine to me

>>53600919
>>53600831
>>53600759
Yeah, I think it would create a really cool dynamic in the loyalist side.
Je'She could rely on him to get the job done

>>53599920
>Primarchs see Star Wars
>Einchurt falls in love with Grand Moff Tarkan
>Is mildly perturbed when he realizes he can't make lances collide into one another to make one super lance and thus enable him to build his own deathstar
>Says fuck it and just designs Star Killer Base

>>53601625
If both Einchurt and Raj are on the Loyalist side, the Imperium's is gonna burn a shitton of worlds… might be something worth keeping in mind.

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>>53601487
>I feel like The Sentinels and the Ogre Legion would have a rivalry, as the Ogre Legion's philosophy of the warrior class lording over the serfdom conflicts with The Sentinel's philosophy of being a leader is to serve, not to be a tyrant.
Well, yes and no. Part of their philosophy is duty to protect their subjects, like feudal lords. They don't really see leadership as doing whatever you want; there's an assumption your lord won't be an ass to civilians.

Enemy civilians are free game though. And levies.
>Also, the Ogre Legionnaire's devotion to their primarch is fanatical even beyond the normal legionnaire admiration for their primarch, which The Sentinels find disturbing.
>Primarch personalities conflict, tactical doctrines conflict, and their views on humanity conflict.
>which equals cool mutual dislike/rivalry ;)
>What do you think Rotuken?
That could work. Je'She is also observant of politics, and he would undoubtedly butt heads with Rokuten in the struggle for soft power.
>>53601640
>designs Star Killer Base
>Designing the worst part about the new movies so far
Trigger warning, Elephant-kun. Maximum smug lolis unleashed.

>>53601685
>dat pic

got dayum son you got to calm down

>>53601211
Yeah, I was thinking he was building an array of forges loyal to him first and knight houses with some really, really weird practices.
Is Mot religious? Are the practices of those Knights religion?
Doesn't matter-- it's a rebellion risk given what a dick Mot is and calling it cultic gives the Emperor an excuse to shit it down.

May also be that with all these down to earth primarchs, religion isn't being stamped out well enough.
Might be wise to get everyone's views on it.

Gyahdred holds to the Imperial Truth. As far as he is concerned, the practices of Stovokor are entirely compatible with it-- it's basically Cyborg Space Buddhism and so doesn't go in for gods or ritual. He's against machine Canon by and large, too, preferring understanding. Still propriates the machine spirits, though.
He sees cults with a perfect divine model as toxic to humanity and has no tolerance for Yochin.

>>53601569
Dare I ask what he does when somebody lends him Dune?

>>53601715
Mot himself is not religious, but the corruption of Hashut seeps in first through the knight houses he propogates and spreads from there. They might have been chaos worshipers even before the Great Crusade, but we're not sure.

>>53601685
Yeah, I was thinking more of a gentle rivalry at the start of the crusade, but the two legions would slowly grate against each other as the campaigns progressed, to all out war during the Secession

>>53601715
The Spice Must Flow

>>53601656
That could work along the borders of The Western Imperium, making them shadows of what they once were, which sets a cool stage for the 41st millenium, three forces constantly fighting over barren worlds

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>>53601760
>The Spice Must Flow
>>53601732
>Mot himself is not religious, but the corruption of Hashut seeps in first through the knight houses he propogates and spreads from there.
He propagates knight houses?

>>53601783
>>53506712

>>53601715
I pretty much fleshed out Emil's perspective on the Gods and such already, although I don't think anyone read what I wrote.

>>53602048
Yeah I'm pretty sure I read it, I really liked it but I was too tired to reply. That's the one where Emil talks to the Emperor yeah?

>>53602093
Yeah, that's the one.

>>53601135
>>53601314
I always believed that in the year of 30k where little knowledge of psychiks existed, it was viewed as a miraculous occurrence born from faith rather than willpower. As such, we could rule out psychik and religious practices in a single nikaean edict where Emps declares "The outlawing of employing esoteric and arcane scripture in regards to their superstitious nature going against the Imperial Truth of reason and science". This could spark a more interesting debate then "We have these dudes who can shoot mind bullets wat do", since our primarchs wouldn't really know about psychik energies, as well, while primarchs like Ashur, Marduk, Lambach and Emil are facing some serious threat to their legion's cohesion as certain core values of their culture are attacked.
This is topped off with Yochin using a loophole since he isn't applying esoteric or arcane scripture but rather fosters a personal cult revolving the Emperor which is only just developing religious motifs as we come into the brotherwar. We can apply this Nilaean edict prior to Ullanor, with Emps being throne'd and the primarchs simply not playing along much since the one to punish them is currently unavailable.

>>53600517
To be clear, Marduk starts out no more extreme than the Salamanders Promethean cult. Well, maybe a little more extreme, but not that much.

>>53602428
Yeah I think this works pretty well, it is a great way for Big E to upset a lot more of his sons than he does in the OU I think, which we kind of need because we are splitting 3 ways.

So I did Radcliff Kaden awhile back. Now I've done Mendel. I think after his fight with Raj he'll probably end up in a dreadnought.
>Gaius Mendel:
Gaius Mendel, Miletus born, was the first born son of one of Miletus' leading politicians. Due to difficulties his mother passed during the birth and hence Gaius was never meant to enlist into the Chosen of Hecate, to ensure the family name continued. However Mendel was gifted. Very gifted. The Legion's homeworld recruitment Librarians immediately picked up on the boys talents and paid a visit to the house of Mendel. Gaius' father forbid his son from going with them and begged for them to leave. One week later the Primarch of the Chosen of Hecate himself arrived at the Mendel estate. Lambach understood why the father did not wish to lose his only son but knew he had to have Gaius join his ranks. For three days Lambach spoke softly with Mendels father until finally an agreement was reached. Lambach left the house holding the hand of the nine year old boy.

Gaius was unlike any mortal psyker Lambach had ever met, the energy of the warp seemed to flow through the boy as if he were a natural conduit. Lambach taught him how to control his powers and use them as a weapon and a shield. Gaius came to love Lambach as much as any son loves his father and was absurdly loyal to his Primarch. Gaius never obtained an official rank within the chapter until he was appointed Grand Warp Claw of the Speartip, but stayed close to the Primarch and learned all that he could from his Genesire. If Kaden was Lambachs General, Mendel was Lambachs emissary. Mendel visited almost every other Legion usually taking a squad of Chosen with him and made documentation of their ways of war. Most Legions were happy to accept Mendel but a few saw his prying as an inconvenience while some out right refused him with the threat of hostilities.

>>53602048
I started reading it but was on work break and didn't finish it, now I can't seem to find it. Can you repost the link?

>>53602926
Sure, here it is.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EdVawmPwxTr2tPt4EbQWTMfih3y-Y-bnl1BmhEdD8MI/edit?usp=sharing

>>53602981
It's really cool man, helps to really flesh out Emils character and gives me a good idea as to why he is a bit more Guarded with Lambach.
Lambach grew up believing that gods were nothing more than folklore and that warp powers were the next evolutionary step. He knows they can be dangerous but doesn't know the full reason why until much later.
Where as Emil knows the entire truth and can see where Lambachs path is taking him, but is forbidden by the Emperor to share the knowledge with his Brother. This is where they could have become good friends but because of what the Emperor told Emil Lambach was never able to understand his point of view.

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I should probably do some writefagging for the VI, what should I start with?

>>53603416
Meeting Rokuten.

>>53603416
meeting primarchs is a good start, I might do one soon, but not sure who.

>>53602981
Much awesome. Definitely explains a lot and I think it enhances the character.
It also opens up a lot of room for relationship development between Emil and other characters one Chaos is revealed and people start to piece together just why Emil was so quiet.
I'd imagine the two big reactions are "Why didn't you tell anyone", and "oh, yeah, I get that".

>>53602428
Could definitely work.


>>53603416
Could block out his meeting with the Big E?

>>53603573
Like when the Emperor comes to Rheigmarkch, or just an important interaction between the two?

>>53603538
>>53603433
This is also a good idea. I'm not sure who he'd end up meeting first, however, or whose relationship with him would be good to explore first

>>53603622
Not to sound like a glory hog, but I really think a Je'She, Einchurt and Rokuten meet up would be very interesting

>>53603760
That would be lovely, wouldn't it be?

>>53604000
Indeed.

>Je'She, Einchurt and Rokuten walk into a bar
>Je'She orders the drinks, and attempts to talk about civil rights
>Rokuten pretends to listen, actually listening to motivational podcast.
>Einchurt just straight up ignores him and proceeds to drink every other person there under the table
>This distracts Je'She, allowing Rokuten to escape
>Bar is gassed

>>53604000
>>53603760
I do like this idea, I'll get on it and hopefully shit something decent out before I leave for the night

Also, another thread prompt: Describe the expression of your Primarch in their most popular Remembrancer sketch.

>Einchurt would look passive, neutral, distant, giving a thousand-yard stare off into the distance. He'd look somewhat aged I feel, and not necessarily dour or hardened, but more contemplative.

>>53604068
Wait who gasses the bar, Rokuten or Einchurt

>>53604097
yes

>>53604097
>Wait who gasses the bar, Rokuten or Einchurt
Rokuten convinces Einchurt to gas the bar.

>>53604097
>Rokuten gasses the bar looking to usurp his brothers
>Einchurt proceeds to further gas the bar so as to weaken his opponent
>Je'she wonders how his father can seem like a genius one moment and an idiot the next without even being there
>>53604132
This also works

>>53604151
meant to quote >>53604128 why must I be like this

>>53603212
>>53603573
It also begins what may develop into a natural flow for Emil-As-Separatist.

I'm starting do develop a sense for why Emil does what he does, and part of that would probably lie along the lines of his chief priority being retaking Terra at any cost. Not necessarily to claim the throne for the Seps, but in the belief that his unique combination of psyker/tech skills are practically tailor-made to save the Emperor. But so long as the Seps goals generally align with Emil's, they can count on his forces to support them well above and beyond what might be expected of others.

And to be utterly ruthless in doing so.

"What has been done to him is nothing short of abomination. It is the abandonment of everything the Crusade represented, enshrining all that he sought to overcome. I *will* bring him back, no matter the cost. Let the Galaxy burn, if that is what it takes. If I must... I will burn it myself."

>>53604497
And then he dies. ;-;

>>53604097
>Describe the expression of your Primarch in their most popular Remembrancer sketch.

Sitting on a crate in workmans overalls surrounded by a group of imperial citizens. The group is happy and Piter is laughing, a cigar smoking Between his fingers. In the distance the beginning of a hive can be seen.

>>53604097
No such record exists.

Am very late to the armour and weapon thread prompts:


Armour: Dark coal grey, with tales and epics regarding his legion and homeworld covering every plate of armour aside from his pauldrons in Harrdinese script. Synthetic Harrdinese silk is tied about the waist and hangs by Je’She’s side. The dark red cloth a traditional symbol of rank from his earliest days travelling in his caravan as a sentry.
His helmet’s facemask is made in the shape of a stone face, another symbol of The Sentinel’s eternal watch. It is adorned with cheek guards carved on both sides of the face, and a crested helm with a nose guard is carved atop the face.

Weapon: Dancing Devil, a power-glaive crafted in the image of Je’She’s original watchman’s glaive. The reinforced hardwood polearm begins with an adamantium butt, going up the wood shows a continuous groove going along from the beginning to the end, with the tale of the defense of the Great City carved all along inside it. The blade itself is scimitar-like, with swirling filigree reminiscent of the sand currents seen in the deserts of Harrdid.

>>53606349
It's funny 'cause the armour prompt was you.

>>53606435
That was a intentional example of my expertise of procrastination ;)

>>53604497
Nice.
>>53604097
That's an interesting one.
Much to Gyahdred's chagrin, one of the better known images depicts him in shadow as a massive war construct behind him burns. The execution is similar in tone to Goya's Colossus, Frazetta's Death Dealer, or that image of Tyberos about to wreck some fools.
The whole work is impressionistically rendered with an angular, geometric bent.

For his part, Gyahdred prefers an image of him, back to the artist, looking out over the forges of Stovokor. It looks something like Wanderer Above a Sea of Fog executed in the reds of molten metal.
This image is also popular, but doesn't have the same hold on the public as Gyahdred, the Erlkonig.

>>53604097
>Most popular:
Shot from below, the image shows Je'She in full war gear atop a slab of ruined rockcrete, 'Dancing Devil' held aloft as Sentinels assume firing positions below him. Return fire pinging off their armour. The atmosphere of the piece itself is slightly dark and moody, but still holds enough light to give it a sense of grandeur.

>Je'She's favourite:
Je'She, again in full war paraphernalia, is walking alongside a street urchin as they proceed down a ruined, burning street. Their back's to the artist, Je'She is handing him his sash to the urchin so he stays warm. The caption is. "You can catch your death of cold in this weather. Trust me, I'm not used to it either"

>>53604097
The most famous picture of Lambach was turned into a sculpture that was gifted to the Primarch and housed in the Grand Palace of Miletus. It depicts him awarding the rank of first Captain to Radcliif Kaden.
The captured expression on his face is one of amusement that he is trying to hide behind a more serious expression to fit with the occasion. This amused expression, regardless of the situation was very much his trademark look. The backdrop is the beautiful city with studded by Legionaries of the 1st company saluting the new first Captain.

>>53604097
>Describe the expression of your Primarch in their most popular Remembrancer sketch.
The most popular sketch of Valorn is one of him watching a group of young initiates train, sketched from the side. As Valorn watches the initiates drill his face is host to a small yet proud smile. This is attributed to the fact that some of the sketched initiates were apparently Taigan and rumours state that Dacern, the great grandson of Valorn's adopted child Guragol, was among them.

>>53604097
Raj Vokar has great respect for the Remembrancer Order and saw the importance of their work. As such, he allowed a small number of them to attend the main strategem deck during certain campaigns.
The sketch Raj himself appreciates most is one of him in deep contemplation. While preparing the invasion of a xenos infested world, one of Raj's lieutenants was reading an inventorisation of the enemy's projected military strength. The drawing captured Raj's thoughtful and patient nature, with a stern look in his eyes, a furrowed brow and him rubbing his chin.
The most famous and popular sketch of the Titan Lord shows a different face however. Having been drawn during the compliance of the human world of Sarosh, Raj had just recieved word of the planet's rulers purposefully delaying compliance through their bureaucratic system. Once it became apparent that they had attempted to assassinate Raj by bringing a nuclear warhead on board the Moonbreaker, he roared at the rulers over the comm systems, calling them out as cowards and petty, greedy children. The sketch captured his incredible rage perfectly, eyes filled with anger and the veins in his neck looking like they could burst at any moment.

>>53604097
>Describe the expression of your Primarch in their most popular Remembrancer sketch.
Pacha smiling as he's surrounded by a bunch of children playing with the giant, a few in the process of climbing on top of him.

>>53593437
Linares probably would continue guiding Kadirian people in their lives, or designing new tactis, strategies and training methods, so the Legions can follow the pace of the rest of the galaxy. As a pure warrior, he wouldn't retire. Maybe, he would continue fighting the orks or something. Anyway, he would follow Empy's orders.

>>53594699
Mainly the Gunslingers, because both of the Legions focus on CC, but with different styles. Also, Linares doesn't like Kane.

>>53599920
I like Chewy

Also, something new I should know?

>>53610008
I'm assuming after the betrayal Linares isn't the biggest fan of the CoH.

>>53604097
I don't know what Remembrancer is. Pls, tell me so I can answer the prompt

>>53610147
They're the dudes who followed the Legions around, writing the histories of their conquests and drawing images so as to immortalize the Great Crusade even after it ended

>>53610146
It would be more like a hate/love story. Linares feels pretty bad about the Chosen's betrayal, but he just can't hate them. He would battle against the CoH in a more...friendly way. Like trying to bring them back. The Gunslingers are just going to get their shit pushed in. Beware, Kane.

>>53610164
Okay, so:

Most Epic: Linares fighting against an ork Warboss, the Silver Slayer down to the left, ready to strike a low left-to-right blow, while the left arm is balancing the Primarch. Legs spread, keeping the gravity center low and centered. In his face, blood from other victims, a beard longer than usual, and a look of focus and anger, teeth clenched. The scene is being drawn from the left of the Primarch.

Fav Sketch: Linares sitting down in a desk, Raj alongside him, both enjoying a beer while looking somewhere out of frame, with concerned/focused looks in their faces. Like if they were looking at the Crusade's News and a Legion was being kicked in the balls in a major campaign. They look tired, Linares with a grown beard and Raj with the face full of dust. A window in the background, a Titan showing, with what would probably be a Silver Blade on top, fooling around, sword in hand.

>>53610188
^^ ready and waiting.


Think Kane is depicted while he pulls the trigger of his gun, killing some xenos he pushes down with his boot.

>>53604097
>The most widespread pictograph of Ashur displays him in a situation so very unlike his usually cheerful demeanour. He is seen in the aftermath of conquering the planet Girgam, surrounded by rubble and wreckage. While often disputed to be released in an attempt to sully the primarch's reputation, exposing him as a "warmongering monster", the truth is his expression is one of grief and pained empathy. He is shown in his most vulnerable state, a mourning giant wandering the ruins of homes he accidentally broke in his fury.

>Ashur's personal favourite is, of course, one of life and joy, seeing him standing atop a Land Raider and parading through the streets of Celleum Prime, with politicians and their families at his side

>>53601685
It's the fangs I swear

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Some very shitty sketches for a Sentinel legionnaire WIP. I'm planning on doing some helmet variations and weapons on the right hand side

Edict of Nikaea – Overview

>[Primarch] is researching deep into esoterics and arcane scripture in order to further his psychik warfare capacities, unknowingly exposing himself and his legion to the Warp and thus becoming a danger for the Emperor‘s plans, as well as making them extremely suspect to the other primarchs
>[Other Primarch] reports to the Emperor that [Primarch] is straying from the Imperial Truth in pursuit of pagan superstitions and invoking what can only be described as dark powers. Emps eventually has to come forth and put his foot down, censuring [Accused Primarch] and declaring them under observation from now on.
>The edict is made: „From this day forward and forever more, no man or woman, Astartes or human, under Imperial law is allowed of further reading into the heathen, superstitious scriptures of their past regarding spirituality or metaphysics. Only proven science, history and arts are allowed. We must focus on exploring our future instead of dreaming of a by-gone age. Such is my edict, and so it shall be!”
>”Imperial Law” excludes Adeptus Mechanicus, as they are already having special rights, thus allowing their worship of the Omnissiah and the Machine Cult
>Yochin circumvents this censure as he doesn’t openly declare the Emps as a god, but fosters the personal cult revolving around him until it reaches a religious zeal.
>Emps gets enthroned, thus the censured primarch gently sweep the edict under the rug since there’s “more pressing matters at hand”. His last waking breath is spent naming the three Warmasters to finish the Ullanor campaign, but failing to warn them of Chaos
>Malcador, named regent, does not have nearly as much respect from the primarchs and thus his intervention is hand waved away

>>53610854
Yeah that sounds pretty good. I'm cool with that.
We still involve The Beast, correct?

>>53610854
This sounds good. Now the question is "who is the accused primarch and who is the tattletale primarch?"

Raj being one hundred percent behind the imperial truth makes him a good choice for the tattletale in my opinion. As for the accused I'm not sure who it would be, but I don't think it should be Marduk, as it doesn't make sense for the Emperor to put the leader of a censured legion in the position of warmaster.

>>53610884
I see no reason not to. We may even go as far and, if we keep the reverse-engineering of WAAAGH!!!-energy as a key-element of fighting the orks, have the usefulness of researching into "metaphysics" be proven during this war, thus giving enough leverage in arguments for the censured legions to question the Edict of Nikaea.

>>53610986
May be I'm jumping to conclusions here but isn't Lambach the closest we have to a Magnus in our roster? Apart from Matlalihuitl whose fate we do not know atm.
If need be, let Ashur be the accused. He's already pushing the spirituality of his legion, which may at this point already be causing his legionnaires to behave more savage than they should, although he's not particularly strong about the psychik warfare bit.
Emil is pretty much off the hook with him having already had talks with Emps about the Big Four.

>>53611043
Yeah, Lambach is a fair bit like Magnus personality wise I think. Nowhere near the psyker level though.
Ashur getting censured could work, then despite Lambach and Ashur not being too close Lambach is still furious and throws his tantrum?

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So I painted a CoH marine without a robe. (Terribly)
Model was fairly crappy second hand badly spray painted.

>>53611677
>Still better than my Imperial Fists

Bro, I dunno how to feel

Aw fuck I accidentally the colourscheme of the Dragoons.

I'm sorry. Also for some reason I couldn't undo, but fucking docs decided to save my mess.

Thanks google. Really appreciate it.

>>53612524
fixed

bumpin through the lean times

PROMPT: What kind of music does your Primarch listen to?

Linares would listen to electro of pretty much all kinds and some rock, aside from Kadir's traditional songs.

>>53614828
Forgot to put name

>>53614828
PALEOWOLF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnpzJrZIuaU

>>53614915
Oh, boy, I like it!

>>53614828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_aMb-r4A3M&list=PL7F38E372B470537B

>>53614828
Valorn's a fan of orchestral music. Mostly cause good orchestral music is achieved via a large number of people not fucking up spectacularly while playing their instruments. Being a leader of men, that is something Valorn can respect and he listens to orchestral music as a sign of that respect.

>>53614828
Emil grew up with fragmented records of music stretching back into humanity's distant past, and as such has a wildly varying array of songs on his CrusadePod.

They do all tend to have very fast tempo though, and a preference for a "grand/epic" feel.

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Work continues on things other than the Ogre Legion.

shit
music
probably

>>53610986
>>53611043
>>53611274
I thought there was also talk of Aššur as Warmaster since Marduk and his ostensibly promethean creed tier weirdness would strike the Emperor as off.
Also allows Marduk to hijack Aššur's war.


On a tangent, it's interesting how "nice" our primarchs are. Vulkan would be the norm rather than the outlier.

Kane listens to GunsnRoses^^

>>53617166
He didn't really impress me before but now I REALLY don't like him. :^)

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>>53617226
MOTHERFUCKER

>>53617073
Ashur's leniency would probably be the biggest argument against him becoming Warmaster as he'd be considered not "stern" enough to maintain order in his troops, especially considering that he'd have guys like the Gunslingers and the Forge Lords to coordinate.

The argument for him would be that because of his ability to work "with" people and great empathy, he'd be able to make a great diplomat and therefore keep those legions on a short leash to minimise the collateral damage.

>>53617073
Having perused many of the previous /tg/ alt-history projects, it's very rare that people write particularly callous or brutal characters. Amusingly, it seems that even though all of us are nolife basement-dwelling shitters, we do seem to have some standards.

Which primarchs survive the Brotherwar? What happens to those that die?

>>53617778
That's actually a very good question. My assumption was that like in canon, the only Primarchs that could survive without destroying the setting would be the Daemon Princes.

>>53617778
Ashur becomes a daemon primarch but is basically an Angron in the sense he doesn't lead but is occasionally summonned but has to be restricted or else he'd fucking kill everyone, not only the enemy.

>>53617778
I was thinking that Marduk probably gets annihilated by the Four Gods a short time after the war ends.

>>53617778
Linares survive, but gets lost for 5 millennia while fighting chaos in the warp. Funny part: for him and the ones who followed him, it has only be like 3 weeks of combat.

Also, are we having a Codex Astartes equivalent or we are keeping the Legions?

>>53618185
Emil probably would very strongly resist forming Chapters. The Steel Souls use too much psychic mindlink shit in combat to readily abandon all that.

I get the feeling that the Seps will largely choose their own way as far as Legion/Chapter stuff goes.

>>53617778
My plan was to have Raj die during the Siege of Terra. He would be defending the Imperial Palace/the Eternity Gate, like Sanguinius in the OU. He'd be doing this in his personal Imperator-Class Titan, or Apocalypse-Class if you'll let me. Unlike Sanguinius though, Raj would actually die there, killed by one of his brothers, my personal choice would be Deshain.

I imagine Raj's death as being quite a pivotal point. Raj was well liked by pretty much everyone, except Mot. Linares would be sent into a frenzy and Lambach might be quite horrified. I don't think Piter would like it much either.

Raj's death is also an important part of why the Titan Marchers remain loyal. Like I've said several times before, Raj would detest the Ecclesiarchy, and would surely leave once they got a foothold. After Raj's death, the Marchers will choose to remain loyal, because Raj died for the Imperium.

Thoughts?

>>53618477
>He'd be doing this in his personal Imperator-Class Titan,
What happened to the Raaksha thing?

>or Apocalypse-Class if you'll let me.
Only if I write for the weirdgant.

>>53618548
I'm not interested in really doing much with the Raakshas. They're just the Manaanan denomination for Titan. I still need to write something up, but I will be using them to explain how Raj gets an in with the Titanicus.

The Manaanan people got rid of the Mechanicus on their world, after which the commanders became nobles. The Techpriests that were kept around tinkered with the Titans, and they created unique new patterns. Raj offers these to the Titanicus, after which they become close allies.

Also, sorry, weirdgant? Some of my 40k lore is rusty.

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>>53618632
Bruh, keep the Raakshas. I wanna see these freakish pseudotitans walking across the battlefield.

>Also, sorry, weirdgant? Some of my 40k lore is rusty.
I made it up. Half my ork ideas are basically "Take Imperial thing [psititans], make orky, turn up the ridiculous a few notches".

It's a gargant with two dozen warpheadz in it. It can barf fire like it's a fucking atom bomb, but it's also prone to headbanging every ork in a one-mile radius if it can't get rid of the energy fast enough (which is hard to do when every boy in the WAAAGH!! is gathered around it). The ultimate expression of greenskin reliability; it either works really well or it kills everybody.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x0RMYatzQo80kyk1ZK4xSLzNqZiPEOv8ystPO3jjboI/edit

>>53618722
I don't want the Marchers to use their own Psuedotitans though. The Marines don't pilot Titans. Only Raj himself does that (sometimes). Other than that, they march alongside the Titanicus. I imagine there would be more unique Titans and Titan Legions.

>>53618477
Raj's death could be why Linares just got into the warp to kill traitors. After the battle of Terra, he would take his best soldiers and set course to wherever the traitors are.

>>53618894
>Deshain sneaks aboard Raj's Titan
>Kills him
>Titan blows up, killing Daemon Prince Deshain, sending him back to the warp
>Linares gets mad
>Finds out Deshain is still in the Warp
>Goes to the Eye to kill him again

>>53618859
Bruh. Monkey titans. Snek titans. Elephant titans.

>>53618933
I'm not a fan.

>>53618927
>Because dying once just wasn't enough

What I see pretty weird is someone sneaking into a fucking titan, and managing to kill the princeps. Was the Titan besieged and assaulted?

>>53618966
Tiger titans bruh.

>>53618933
Yeah, dunno brah. Not into crazy Titans. Straight up marching with big cannons.

>>53618980
It was immobilized. Mission killed.
>>53618987
But this is the Indian titans bruh, they gotta be crazy.

>>53618980
Yes. I'd imagine the Gunslingers would be capable of that.

>>53618933
The more custom units the AU has, the harder it is for readers to understand.

>>53619003
Sikh, not Hindu.

Yeah, not up for it. Slow, steady, stoic. That's the Titan Marcher way.

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You guys suck.

>>53619053
Why, because it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of crazy different titans? Terminators, Dreadnoughts...even power armor, that you can change because it's small scale.

TITANS? no. No making radical changes there.

>>53619229
My thoughts exactly. I like the Titanicus well enough as is.

>>53619229
I agree. I think we can get away with a few new dreadnaught patterns, but Titans is a whole different ballgame

>>53619229
>Why, because it doesn't make sense to have a bunch of crazy different titans?
>Sense
>40K

>Terminators, Dreadnoughts...even power armor, that you can change because it's small scale.
>TITANS? no. No making radical changes there.
>>53619420
>I agree. I think we can get away with a few new dreadnaught patterns, but Titans is a whole different ballgame
Why not?
>>53619371
That's your own choice, I'm not gonna get serious about it.

You should totally do it though bruh.

>>53619445
Even the AdMech doesn't really understand Titans. Or their quasi-AI systems.

Fucking around blindly with the closest thing the Imperium permits to a working AI....

That could cause some problems.

>>53619445
Because I like the Titanicus brah.

Anyone have something to say about >>53618477?
I'd specifically like ThatGuy's imput.

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>>53619466
Not if it's like that from the start!

Go back a few thousand years, insert STC for this fancy titan, dig it up a few millennia later and BAM! Monkey titans.
>>53619496
>Because I like the Titanicus brah.
I bet I like the Titanicus more!

>>53617778
Zelbezis survives long enough to end up as overseer of the Supremacy after Frederick's demise (assuming he faces one such fate). His way to lead stuff ends in one of the plots against him to actually succeed.

>>53604097
The most famous depiction of Zelbezis Dyestes is arguably an unfortunate one. Named "The Price of Anarchy", it depicts the lord of the XII in the aftermath of the compliance-purgation of Sarhund, overseeing his legion ritually beheading the planet's military hierarchy. He stands in a darkly serene gaze, hands crossed on his sword's pommel, the Hive's ruins in the background. With this picture as the main source of knowledge on the Twelfth, many mistake Dyestes for a bloodthirsty tyrant, not aware of his oratory skills nor his codifications of battle-tactics. Indeed few even in the brotherhood of Primarchs are aware that the pseudonymous Verses to War Eternal were authored by Dyestes.

>>53619496
I like the Titan Legions so much that I don't feel the need to steal their MacGuffin and give it to the Space Marines.

>>53615801
I imagine Valorn would love MJ's Thriller. Even by 31K it is still the most synchronized choreography of all time.

>>53620084
Fucking savage.

>>53617778

I see Piter surviving for quite some time, though becoming more reclusive from the Imperium Secudnus as the millenia drag on.

>>53617778
Lamach will no doubt go full Demon prince and live forever. Part of what I intend to do with the Chosen for the promise that Nurgle made to Lambach was that whenever they die they wake up the next night in Nurgles den, they still retain the injury that killed them but it has been very crudely repaired. I'd prefer to go for a more Zombie rotten look rather than just straight up Plague Marines.

>>53620306
He North Korea now?

>>53618477
Think maybe we could use this to counter not having the Emperor at the siege of Terra. Raj dies, Lambach is appalled actually turns against Kane and helps Linares banish him the chaos forces end up fighting one another which gives the Imperials the upper hand. Linares wants Lambach to come back to the Imperium but Lambach has already thrown in his lot Nurgle, Linares lets Lambach leave instead of killing him because he has already lost Raj and still believes there is good in Lambach.
Just an idea though, what do you reckon?

>>53604097
The fifth Legion's Primarch rarely permitted images be taken of himself. Many suspected him of being slightly superstitious regarding his likeness being transcribed onto parchment or dataslate in any official manner.

Emil's most famous Remembrancer picture therefore is one he never intended, a recording of him having fallen asleep at a table in the flagship's mess hall after completing a grueling three-week subjugation of Horgamox Tertius, Quintus, Sextus and Octavis.

Four inhabited human worlds in the same system, an unusual occurrence. Fiercely clannish and independent since the Age of Strife, it was hoped that Emil's historian perspective might bring these worlds into the Imperial fold peacefully, but cultural differences led quickly to a war of honor where the inhabitants preferred death to surrender, stretching the Primarch's endurance to the absolute limit.

Perspectives on this piece of artwork vary widely, of course. Notably, Emil himself never commented on the depiction.

>>53592279
zzzzzzbumpzzzzzz

>>53621391
I bet one of his brothers drew a dick on his face.

I've been toying with the idea of the Forge Lords retreating to the Maelstrom instead of the Eye of Terror. What do you guys think?

Also I'm inspired to write a bit about a Forge Lords squad in around M38-M40. Probably flesh it out tomorrow.

>>53624399
I suppose it fits the Chaos Dwarf Marines, although you shouldn't shy from making up your own,

>>53617778
I like the idea of Einchurt survivng the brotherwar, but progressively secluding himself more and more for reasons he never really tells anyone, until he simply vanishes without a word. The Death's Heads still believe he'll come back, but when? They aren't really sure.
>>53618185
I feel Einchurt would be opposed to the splitting of Legions, he likes his centralized command. If the others were to split, he'd likely go the SW route and say "nah fuck y'all I'll just do my own thing"

>>53624022
>Guess who

>>53621282
Neat! I'm with it.

>>53625519
Linares would prefer to keep his whole Legion, but if told to, he would split it. He sees that, in order to prevent another brotherwar with armies so big, the best way is to keep a strong grip on your Legion and guiding them through the best paths, not splitting the Legions into Chapters, so small that you need some of them to overcome certain huge problems.

>>53625616
Maybe, Linares and Lambach speak right before Lambach leaves, a deep, dramatic conversation. Maybe, Lambach proposes to resurrect Raj, but Linares rejects, aside from negating to go with Lambach, again.

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>>53619496
I like it. Except for the sneaky part. Have something Akin to hoth and this. That is how Kane would fight against a Titan.

>>53617778
Not sure what happens to Gyahdred, but I can definitely see the legion spreading out to forge worlds and fortresses, in this case called Dzkongka.
I'm thinking it's less that the XVth tries to run the mechanicum on any large scale and more that the two organizations are close. The legionaries represent the forge world to those factions that feel the Magi are too human. The legion is only close to forges that come down on the same side of doctrinal issues as they do.
Something like that. I know that's really not too clear.

>>53625519
Speaking of, I'm thinking that we should do up that joint campaign sequence.
Massive xenocide with the most fucked up xenos we can dream up.
Soon afterwards, something to do with human societies, the simplest scenario that will trigger Einchurt's full retribution, but to which Gyahdred will suggest an equally effective, but longer solution.

Though I'll be honest. With all these damn hippy legions, I think Gyahdred is more likely to find Einchurt a sensible man who goes way too far out of a reaction to the other legions' approaches. The result is a misguided attempt to say that just because Pacha is a giant teddy bear doesn't mean he's always wrong.
Einchurt knows that, I think, but has other values. Meanwhile Einchurt can tell that Gyahdred doesn't think as Pacha does, but sees Gyahdred's existential illusions as nonsense. Gyahdred would see despair as an illusion.
So less the "everything wrong with the imperium" and more another victim of attachment, albeit a very different sort. What ails Einchurt is the problem at the heart of the Imperium, a maladaption to scale. Gyahdred probably writes a philosophical sutra called Being and Infinity or something in which he argues that scale is itself a conceptual illusion. It literally exists, but the approach you take to ten ought be the approach you take to ten thousand and the leader of an Empire needs be able to lead one, that ruling the world requires ruling the self. In essence, knowing the self is knowing infinity. Ironic for someone who hates dealing with people.

Anyways, as the heresy begins to get started, I was thinking Gyahdred surprises everyone by reaching out to Einchurt to get him on his side.

>>53620110
Is it wrong that I've now got an image of Valorn and his marines copying the choreography of Thriller?
>>53617778
I'd say Valorn survives the Brother war, but buggers off to parts unknown within a millennia and never comes back. Why you ask? He's stuck in warp transit. So he might one day arrive at his desired location but not necessarily his desired time

>>53628120
dropped mah name

>>53617778
>>53628120
Actually, that gives me an idea about >>53625937
What if we resurrect an idea from a bit back and at some point in the timeline have Gyahdred merged with a massive Cogitator-Array. Unlike the Gregoire version, it works as intended and Gyahdred is preserved.
Great!
Catch is that as time goes on and things get worse and worse, Gyahdred starts considering his options. I think his true intentions will best be left debatable, but essentially, there's a strong possibility that he's decided that neither side is going to win the war and so long as each side fights for victory, the result will be stalemate. Instead, both Imperiums must fragment such that they can defend their own pockets, while buying time for Gyahred's chosen Foundation to create the second galactic empire.
Gyahred is essentially trying to trigger a second Old Night after seeding survivor groups. So things like >>53619967 may actually be the result of Gyahdred's Vanus-ing.

At the same time, there's some major problems with this, it really works best in a setting like Asimov's Foundation or Dune.
Nids and Necrons throw a bit of a wrench in this, but I think this setting is really about the fate of humanity and sorts of leaders/values that society ought to hold, so I'm good screwing over the Tyranids since in this discussion they're "boring".
The major issue as far as I'm concerned is how to take care of chaos in his plan. It may just be that he's gone insane by this point, but that's lazy writing as far as I'm concerned. Better he's trying to either resurrect the Emperor with the help of Emil, or kill the Emperor so that he becomes a god? He could seed an anti-chaos cult?
>>53619517
How did you get a copy of that painting of Gyahdred and why is everything changed so that its Mot?

>>53628283
Anyways, the appeal in having Gyahdred trying to do something like this is that he'd essentially have pulled a 180 from his initial goals. Or rather, he's got the same motivations-- a better future for humanity, but he's decided that things are so bad at this point, the only way to do it is sacrifice the Imperium itself.

Alternatively, he's trying to get rid of some of the other primarchs and shape events such that the remaining ones can get things back on track. Something like trying to ensure the survival of a few Western Primarchs like Einchurt, bump off some dudes in the East so that Emil can advance his plan. Something like that. Something very roundabout, the sort of plan that only an immortal computer would come up with. Given time, it will work. He will succeed, but the cost in the meantime would give even Eldrad pause.
Can you tell I've been reading Dune lately?

>>53628380
Nah, I don't think so

>>53625911
That doesn't feel like something Deshain would do at all, let alone something he would be capable of. When I say 'sneak aboard', it's more than likely he actually fights his way into the Titan.

>>53625673
>>53621282
Lambach and Linares meeting during Terra and talking would imply that Lambach hasn't become a Daemon Prince yet, I'm assuming? Would Linares really be in a state to discuss something diplomatically at that point though?

>>53629007
Nah, I wouldn't have it be diplomatic at all. Lambach is not going to be a Daemon Prince until after the siege anyhow I think.
What happens in my head is, Linares and Lambach are both enraged at the loss of Raj, even though Lambach has turned traitor he still loves Raj. So they team up one last time to fight Deshain who may or may not be a prince yet. Noticing the Primarchs fighting the Gunslingers and the Chosen turn on each other. Then after banishing Kane Linares is holding Raj's lifeless body while Lambach stands behind him.
Linares is distraught, for the first time ever he has no more will to fight and simply says something like "End this madness Kropor, return to the imperium, beg for forgiveness"
Lambach says something along the lines of "I have started down a path I cannot turn back from, I am sorry Linares". Lambach turns and leaves. Linares carries Raj's body back to the Titan Marchers. And Scene. How's that sound?

>>53629007
Raj might die early enough into the Brother war that sides are not clear. If Lambach is freshly back from the edge of the Imperium, he may have yet to declare for Aššur. Even if he has moved to back Aššur, he may imply that Deshain went too far and does not have Aššur's confidence or may imply that the assassination is making him consider switching sides.
Would also give him an excuse to call Gyahdred.
Perhaps Lambach invites both to talk and plans to ambush them if they refuse. They do and habe to fight their way out together, the last friendly interaction between Linares and Gyahdred.

>>53629218
I dunno. It does work, though by the time of the Siege of Terra, I'm not sure they'd be willing to talk anymore. It's up to you guys though.

>>53629263
Nah. He dies during the Siege. His struggle to truly commit to the Imperium and his sacrifice during the final days of the Brotherwar are vital to the Titan Marchers themselves, and the brotherhood of Primarchs.

>>53629329
Yeah, if it weren't for Raj's death it never would have happened. But neither expected him to die. Lambach was hoping to win the siege and try and convince his Brothers it was all against their father and not them.

>>53629007
In my mind, it's just a friendly talk, not a diplomatic discussion.

>>53629218
Movie-tier. I like it

.>>53629263
So, Lambach tries to speak with Gyahdred and Linares about switching sides? That wasn't my point, but maybe Gyahdred finds himself in such a situation and asks fot the Blades' help.

>>53629383
I doubt they'd be at 'friendly talk' level by the end of the war

>>53629393
yeah, like I said, not really a friendly talk, more just both of them are devastated. And both have lost the will to fight the war.

>>53629393
>>53629409
By "friendly" I don't mean the "standard friendly". They just don't smash each other's head while talking.

Yeah, Borp's idea looks great. I'm on board.

Ah, yeah>>53629329
, that's way more powerful for the legion.

>>53629218
That definitely works.


So how does Lambach return from the fringes? Is he all gribbly and nurgley? Or does he appear in time for early phases and keep it hidden?
Does he try to recruit anyone?

>>53629797
I have a bit in my Document about it Called the Chosen are Chosen.
Basically Lambach does a bad thing and the Emperor notices. If he is disabled at this time then maybe Emil notices instead and warns Je'She.
Either way Raj and Linares are sent to bring him to justice. they fight and Lambach escapes then at some point joins up with Marduk or whoever we have as Chaos warmaster.

>>53629007
Uhm....daemon primarch? He would most likely attsck the bridge but I think that he would be insane enough to challenge.a titan

>>53629797
oh wait sorry you mean after those events? and his physical appearance, I read that wrong my bad. His appearance hasn't changed too much yet. He looks a lot more sunken and hollow than his old self though. Like he knows he has fucked up but has gone to far to take it back. some of his legion may appear nurgley though especially Mendel.

>>53629848
I imagine Kane could do something similar to Wazzdaka and ride / crash his bike / juggernaut of khorne (horse) right through the front window or something.

>>53629848
And he would get squashed in the process. I still inagine Daemon Deshain as a Ghost Rider like character, so he's not strong enough to catch a damn Titan, especially not the Apocalyptican.

He gets into the Titan and destroys it from the inside.

>>53628283
>>53628380
I like it, what if he's put into the cogitator array since he's in critical condition, but the Legion refuses to just put him in stasis or the like
what if einchurt puts him into critical condition

>>53629865
Wasn't vulcan stomped by a titan and then threw him of his body?

Borps Version makes.Sense and Sounds cool. And he will be more of a big ghost rider. Prior.he lets loose a salvo from his guns who are now d type weapons

>>53629918
Vulkan was a perpetual and physically the strongest Primarch, so he might've been able to do it. Deshain is not as strong as Vulkan.

>>53629918
It was Angron that got stomped by a titan. He held it up off of Lorgar after it plasma cannoned him. with Lorgars psykic help he toppled it.
Thanks for the positive feed back on my idea though guys.

>>53629910
I like both of those ideas. Yes. This is good.

>>53629829
That could work, then. It'll defnitely have to be after the Emperor is enthroned, since that's the trigger for the war.
I think it works nicely if he gets the news from another psykic primarch, since that has its own problems. Perhaps what gives Lambach that opening to escape is the arrival of a fleet to intercede and countermand the censure. Sort of a "Je'She, you're crazy trying to censure someone for psyker stuff when you got the information via psykers."
>>53629850
And yeah, I was wondering about that. A question of how easily he could play the wronged brother and rouse animus against Je'She, Linares, and Raj.

>>53630028
Yeah, I recall that one. It was only a warhound, too.

>>53630028
>>53629918
Well, he is about the Level of angron.in term of strength. So have fun

>>53630497
What? Why? He uses guns, why would he need physical strength? That is absolutely pointless. In fact, it would completely negate his 'weakness', getting in his face.

>>53630512
To hold your foe with your boots down to have a nice.clear shot on the enemies face?

To carry two d strength.pistols?

If your munition runs out you still can hurt your foe with.a nice hithit using the pommel of your gun.

To.rip.off the.face plate of a titan?

Where.did I ever say.that.he is physical weak? He uses guns in favor of.swords.etc but i never said that physical strength is his weak point. In fact I remember describing his.upper body as.bulky/muscular rhan.his.lower body..

>>53630512
Yeah, I have to agree here. If he's as strong as Angron, what reason is there, thematically, for him to use dual pistols?

>>53631201
Wait, are you That Guy?

>>53630512
>>53631295
I had been picturing him as a dex character. He'd be fast and angry. Maybe moving too fast for Raj to track with his weapons effectively.

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>The Hyksos, Possessed Terminators

When the First Legion was being equipped on Holy Terra no expense was spared for their equipment. This is most evident in the armor that was intended for their First Company terminators. Superlatively designed and made to be tailored perfectly for each individual user, they were embellished almost to the extent of the Custodes; all gold finery and elaborate designs. Inevitably though, they were deemed too ostentatious to be used for actual combat and coupled with the increasing casualties among the Immortals the armor was consigned to stasis vaults for parades only before being forgotten even for that.

When Marduk was found and he set about re-invigorating the legion, he pulled the armor from storage to be used again. The redistribution of the gilt wargear was more than just to inspire the other marines, it also served as a reward for the most capable and loyal of Marduk's inner circle.

This new terminator elite was christened in it's first major engagement on the planet of Khem II. The terminators were the armored spearhead against the planets final bastion, a vast hive city. They handily dismantled the defenders and left the population in awe. During the victory processions many wished to surrender directly to them and supplicated themselves on their knees. They believed the terminators were royalty, for surely they must be to bear such finery. They called them Hyksos, "Kings from Afar", and the name quickly spread amongst the legion. The Hyksos served valiantly as Marduk's honor guard through the Crusade's final days, and proved deeply devout in the Abyssal Faith.

So devout, in fact, that they were given special gifts by their new patrons when the Brotherwar finally erupted. Each and every one was infused with the essence of a greater daemon, bonded body and soul. They truly became kings. The Hyksos became known as terrible lords of the daemon hordes unleashed upon the galaxy, leading and directing them.

>>53631295

Aeh...he comes from a planet inspired from wild west where guns are the main weapons and normally the cultural heritage influences the chosen battle.style.

And hello? The question should be : who is so stupid to bring swords and otger close combat weapons to a shooty scifi setting.
Or: hey, why did.they cast Arnold schwarzenegger.for various shooty roles? DanielIch day louis could have played the terminator or the guy from predator because if you use guns you don't need muscles.


>>53631372

And sorry. Yes that guy here. Not phpne

>>53592279
>>>53630497
>What? Why? He uses guns, why would he need physical strength? That is absolutely pointless. In fact, it would completely negate his 'weakness', getting in his face.
A primarch's weakness is emotional, not physical.

>>53631201
>>53631295
>>53631538
>>53631653
I agree with Xun. Deshain is a dexterous bastard. He's a Primarch, so he's still going to be strong, but I'm not sure you fully understand what you're saying when you say he's 'as strong as Angron'. Angron is pretty much the second strongest, second only to Vulkan.

Deshain has no real reason to be crazy strong, he has to be quick and nimble. This is one of those things you have to take a step back on, to keep the character from becoming Sue-ish.

>>53631812
This. If your Primarch isn't a melee Primarch, you shouldn't be in the "strongest" category, if only because they have to be balanced amongst themselves. No one is gonna be beating Deshain in a shooting competition, which means that he shouldn't be beating almost everyone else in a strength competition as well.

>>53631812

Says the guy who sits in a titan. And has also 1000 weapons attached to him.
This is mary super sueish uberverse.

No one is beating him in a one on one duel.

In a strength duel of sheer strength okay. In a duel of weapon skill..never ever.

>>53631964
Raj rarely ever uses the Titan, only in times of dire need, like the Siege of Terra. It's not something really work considering in a power balancing sense.
As for his above average arsenal size, yes, that's true, I don't see a problem? He completely forgoes any melee options, because I know it'd be rediculous to make him a comptetent melee fighter too.

>>53631594
Very sexy! I really like these guys.

>>53631653
Huh. I'm imagining an evil version of Clint Eastwood as Man with No Name. Clever and tricky, which is what made him such an interesting berserker. Brutally Cunning.
On a totally different subject, I'm trying to come up with a fee good captain for the XVth.
Terran, from Albia. Has been in there since the beginning. Methodical, grinding, aggressive. Almost an Iron Warriors sort, with an attitude that banishing Old Night required them to ignite the dawn. If he had a soundtrack, it would definitely feature Hier kommt die Sohne. Has access to DAoT stuff because the legion was granted it akin to the Dreadwing, which continues under Gyahdred.

>>53632087
What does a primarch do in a titan?

Clint Eastwood?

>>53632087
Hell dat shit. More vin diesel riddick. Who are you guys?

You guys know this is a setting and not a video game, right?

Kane can be as strong as a primarch can be, it barely has any effect.

>>53632245
My main problem is thematics. Titan guy does titans/titen-esque stuff like having big guns and stomping around. He only does titan stuff though, he's not also a slick duelist with rapiers. The power levels of that can be whatever within reason.

Shooty pistols guy also being super strong guy strikes me as weird. Guys like Pacha should be the strongest. It would be like Corax also being really strong, it just doesn't really gel with the general idea.

>>53632292
Addendum: He can be as strong as he wants, but the stronger guys will then have to be even stronger than that. I just don't see why a guy known for gunplay would also be known for brute physical strength.

>>53632292
These are characters, not classes.

>>53632352
Well yeah, but the characters are all related to each other. They have niches. That's why there are multiple distinct legions with different skillsets and flavors. Unless the niche is intentionally "be the best at everything" like Sanguinius, then you have to think about how your stuff relates to everyone else. Shit, even Sangiunius wasn't the best at everything, Fulgrim was probably a better dualist and Vulkan/Angron were stronger than him. Kane can be strong, hella strong, but should he be stronger than xboxhueg Pacha "the Mountain"? Fuck no, because then his whole schtick becomes superfluous. If your mmain deal is being a slick shooter, then why take the strong-ness thunder away from characters who have that as their primary trait? Why even mention it?

I have no problem with everyone being extremely good at most things, they're Primarchs after all, but some are still better than others at stuff. They have roles for a reason.

Because Khorne chooses only the strongest ya bitches

>>53632155
Whoops, phone posting just removed that formatting.

>Praetor Yormund
Recruited from Albian stock, Yormund was one of the first generation of the XVth Legion...
Meh, not feeling it atm, but essentially he's one of the major figures in the early legion.
The other big one is
>Praetor Cool Name to do with oceans
He's the dynamic warfare guy early in the legion. He sets up ambushes, lots of shoot and scoot, carefully arranged locator beacons. Jump troops hidden and waiting to strike. Psychological operations. As calculating as Yormund, but focussing on a different sort of puzzle. He's the one that sets his apothecarion on autopsies and the like of xenos. More of the we are the emperor's monsters school.

>>53632212
Yeah. Stop what you're doing and do not post again until you've seen Fistfull of Dollars, A Few Dollars More, and Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
Then watch some old westerns.

>>53632450
>Prompt
What is your primarch's biggest weakness? What is his greatest failure? Does he have regrets?

>>53632509
Khorne only cares that blood flows. Not from where, not why, and not how.

Hey guys, that is not me!!!

>>53632509
Khorne chooses the deadliest. Strongest is just usually the deadliest. Figuring out a way to spill the most blood and take the most skulls without just being smashy-stabby is interesting. And Kane does, he shoots the fuck out out of people with extreme skill and speed. Nothing about that requires a notable amount of strength for a Primarch.

>>53632557
Fuck.

>>53632557
Shut up you fagg. I am more the guy than you little bitch.

>>53632527

You stealin ideas from others and tell me to shut up? Shut up you sucker. What comes next? Skynet? Matrix?

>>53632588

This is not funny.

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>>53632557
Well now I feel stupid.

>>53632527
>biggest weakness?

His faith. Or, rather, his emotional requirement for it. Marduk can never be content to sit and let things be, he constantly has to be pushing farther and mixing things up. He turns heretic because he feels the empire is becoming stagnant and Chaos is the answer. He really turns heretic when he decides the entire galaxy is a dead end and needs to be restarted. He ends up telling the gods they're not his real mom and gets destroyed for it because he needs to go even deeper into his faith.

>>53632614
You are right. It is not. This is nonsense. Kill the suckers off. I declare the Gunslingers are headin off into the sunset. Create your little sillyverse without them.

>>53632645
You bastard!!! Is there a ban option? This is ridiculous. Sorry guys.

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>>53632663
>>53632645
Hmmmm.

Inb4 they're actually the same anon.

>>53632663
There's an ignore option. That's about all you can do.

>>53632682
Yeah. Don't believe the imposter. I am the original.

>>53632557
I figured. Reason I asked if it was you, but it wasn't particularly effective.
>>53632663
No worries. Trolls are an occupational hazard.
>>53632640
Interesting. I take it that once he has confirmation of the gods, he no longer needs faith, at which point he's got to look for something else?

>>53632690

I am not him darn. Never did I use foul language or attacked others.

>>53632729
Yeah. But the trolling unnerves me. That is a whole new level to me.

Really? Nobody believes you. Just go away.

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>>53632729
>Interesting. I take it that once he has confirmation of the gods, he no longer needs faith, at which point he's got to look for something else?

It's more that he progressively requires more and more Chaos/anarchy. First, the Imperium is too stable for him to believe in it. Then, reality is too stable. Then finally he decides the Gods having their own ordered little domains is too un-Chaos-y. He wants all of reality to return to honest to goodness primordial soup by the end, without gods or wills beyond the Leviathan itself. Then maybe a new reality can birth itself forth.

>>53632848
That doesn't really represent the legion as a whole though. They still see serving the Gods as the best way to serve Tiamat because they're extensions of her/her children/siblings (depends on who you ask). Marduk dying is viewed as a sort of apotheosis or reward and actually as proof that they are staying the right path.

>>53632790
Emperor damn it. Go troll a namefag in a general thread or something. We're trying to make up a story here.

>>53632848
That's kind of a fantastic picture.
Ah, cool. That makes sense.

>>53632890
What?

>>53632927
Marduk loses his marbles and tells the Gods to go fuck themselves. They voip him out of existence.

The Leviathan Guard as a whole never tell the Gods to go fuck themselves and see the whole voip-ing thing as similar to Jesus being crucified.

>>53632527
Ashur may be a virtuously patient man, forgiving and kind, but he is entirely unable to withstand stress. It's easy being forgiving and patient if you can agree with the reasoning behind somebody's offense. Try being forgiving when something utterly stands against you and no matter how you apply it, you can't empathise.
That is where Ashur breaks. One such instance was the Domush campaign, where the opposition was so relentless that the Lord of Bronze and Bone quickly reached his limits. In that campaign he caused so much collateral damage he barely dared survey the reports and just got the hell out of there as soon as official compliance was declared.
He regrets it every day, vowing to keep his cool at every campaign.

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>>53632957
That one wasn't me.

>>53632957
Makes sense to me. And I think it's a neat concept.

I suspect that we have a persistent troll here, who has jumped to Sarco. If I start making no sense, then odds are it's the troll.

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>>53633022
I feel like the Alpha Legion is amongst us.

>>53633045

I am Omegon

>>53633026

You never made sense.

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>>53632527
I'd say Valorn's greatest weakness is his inability to let shit go. The guy holds grudges like a WFB Dwarf, and solves them in a similar fashion.

>>53632527
Gyahdred just isn't a people person. He's got primarch majesty, but he's an introvert and does not enjoy dealing with baseline humans.
The curse and the odd mechanicum practices result in a ghoulish reputation.

>>53633214
Yeah. Seems like he has digestion problems.

So, we know some Primarchs die but do any actually kill each other or have duels?

I plan to kill off Marduk in an epic battle against Valdor. Valdor will beat the shit out of him and rapes jis tiny little ass.

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>>53633493

Sorry guys. Seems I am easy prey. Currently at work so I have not much time. Plz ignore that guy.


Kane is modelled after Roland Deschain from Dark Towers and Clint Eastwood in Italo Westerns. So Martial skill also in cc because of fast reflexes. But Imho he is not out there to win a Strongmen.

>>53633507
Get lost you troll!!!

>>53633671

I said: GET LOST!!!

>>53633671
Good, glad we had that squared out. So what of the 'Deshain kills Raj' situation?

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>>53633724
I can't be stopped.

>>53633744
I think Borp had a neat idea, although I don't see Kane on a jetbike. Maybe he sends some kamikaze gunzerkers in bike to attack a weakpoint and then he shoots with his guns and Trägers a chain reaction to slow down the Titan. It will cost lots of manpower. It will take a big choom.

>>53633921

No, I don't like that.

>>53633921
Aight, I dig it. Raj's death at the Eternity Gate should essentially be the Siege's crescendo.

Also, this troll is suprisingly dedicated. Nice. Doesn't do a good impression of me though.

>>53633948
So what do you suggest???

I am not for the sneaky Option. I think having Kane sacrifice his own men shows bis deep decent Ingo darkness.

>>53633348
I wanted to have a fight between Pacha and Ashur but Pacha anon never replied if he was okay with it.

>>53634038
Stop falling for the troll dog, come on.

>>53634114

Hey, you fell first. But okay. I try my best to analyze every post.

>>53634165
I didn't know there was a troll though.

This is my real reply: >>53634034

>>53634165
C'mon, stop falling for the troll.

>>53634200
I'm giving you a 6/10 for tenacity, do you work for tips?

>>53634114
>>53634190
>>53634200
Gnahhh!!!

So sacrificing is good?? Not good? I think kane should ascent then and then be banished.so he had only little fun AS DP

Stop responding to this troll.

>>53634289

I don't think you should simply sacrifice your men. Be more creative.

>>53634369
You can't fool me troll! I see through your lies!

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>>53632527
Mot's biggest weakness is his greed and his ambition. It led to him seeking personal dominion over the worlds that he conquered and ultimately also led to his fall from grace into the arms of Hashut.

>>53632527
>What is your primarch's biggest weakness? What is his greatest failure? Does he have regrets?
Pacha's weakness lies in his own simplicity. Primarchs are at the apex of human capabilities, yet Pacha's intelligence is just considerably above average. While he had hunches that things were going wrong in some places, what someone smarter could've managed to deduce or guess, Pacha didn't. He considers his own biggest failure not any of the military defeats he suffered, but the fact that he didn't follow through his hunches or act on them. He particularly regrets losing Emil to the Separatists and Lambach, Ashur and Isehko to Chaos; similarly for the rest of his brothers if to a lesser degree (and with the exception of Mot and perhaps Zelbezis).

>>53632848
I genuinely don't believe that you will be able to write or properly convey that idea, for the same reason that Lovecraft's writing doesn't actually make people go insane by reading it, but fuck me, I actually really like that concept as a whole.

Good job and good luck bruh.

>>53632527
His impulsiveness and love for most of his brothers, he is not the drunktard everyone think he is. His greatest failure...he thinks is Raj's death. He should have been there, to help him, not fighting so far away...