>>54007948
"Look dude I know you're my friend and all but quit acting like a fucking dumbass. We're here to have fun not be idiots."

Kicking a player for something that isn't really their fault.

It's happened a couple of times to me, and it doesn't get any easier. Playing in online groups where one player just doesn't gel with the rest of the party. How they play and what they enjoy just doesn't line up, and they're oblivious enough to not really be able to notice or actively fix it.

I feel bad, because they're not doing anything inherently wrong, it's just wrong in context and often they lack the self awareness to really realise that, which is why they often need to be sat down, talked to and told that the game would probably be better off without them.

Sometimes they hold a grudge, sometimes they don't. I've actually invited some back in future when the group composition and game premise is different in a way that I think suits their playstyle more, and I've had some pretty amazing successes with people who were once problem players. Context is really, really important for things like that.

>>54007948
Kicking a player for spotty attendance even though he was chill, enthusiastic, and played a character others generally got along with.

>No.
Seriously, that's it. Player wanted to do something dumb that was against the RAW, so I told him no. Made me sad because it would have been really fucking cool. Most of my players are good and the cases where we have a shit player I have no issue telling them to fuck off.

>inb4 rule of cool fags
I'll bend the rules for something cool, but I won't break them.

>>54008019

You're the GM. The rules are what you make them. They exist to support you and assist you in running a fun game, not restrict you when ignoring them would create a better experience for everyone involved.

Then again, different philosophies and GMing styles I suppose.

"Ladies, please, one at a time, I'm not a machine."

> "Everyone else has managed to read the rulebook, if you can't, then I'm not going to hold your hand, I have enough on my plate I have to organise to get this game off the ground"

I am not a terribly confrontational person.

"I'm sorry guys my depression has gotten so bad, I can't focus on planning a game or have the energy to handle running one either."

>>54008103

God, that hits close to home. I'm doing better these days, although I still struggle with it some weeks. Hope you're doing better now as well, anon. Depression is a total bitch.

>>54008103
Hello me, it's me again.

>>54008044
Eh, it's for consistencies sake. If I let player A break the rules to do something cool, then I'll have more players try to do it. At which point the rules have become pointless. We've done that before, so we hold the rules as inviolate.

>>54008103
tfw I know that feel. Just don't start drinking to stop it, that'll only make things worse.

>>54008149

Perhaps it's just a playstyle thing, but I've never really had that trouble. My groups understand it's a matter of it being thematically appropriate, and that using it more than very irregularly would spoil the impact of those unique moments when you set the rules aside and let something awesome happen.

"If you want to role play out that rape, do it in your own head, the rest of us don't need it"

Was DMing a 3.5DnD campaign (but set in real world), player party were all Vikings. One of them took to their role a little too well...

>>54007948
Adamantium

>>54008304
Dragon Force

>>54007992
Attendance should only matter up till middle school.

>>54008887

What? 'Turning up every day' is a more valuable thing in pretty much any workplace than 99% of the shit you learn in school. Forming the habits necessary to always be able to get there and do shit is super important, it's why it's emphasised so much.

>>54008887
If you're treating a game as an obligation like you did high school then that's a problem with you, not us.

>>54008121
You can subdue but never tame me

>>54007948
"Tomb of Horrors", in that I have a hard time saying "horrors" for some reason and it often comes out as "whores".

Then again, it probably added some much-needed levity to a grim situation.

>>54009046
It gives me a migraine headache

"Since the soft reset did not seem to fix things or make them better, should we consider that, at this point, the best choice for the is to give it a dose of the Old Yeller?"

>>54009545
You didn't say that, you just made an excuse to leave and try to pass the game on to one of the players and never came back you fuck

>>54009620

No, actually, I legitimately did say that. I talked it over with my players and we decided it was for the best, since I wasn't enjoying running it anymore due to a combination of factors; I'm running a new game with the same group in the same timeslot, so it's not like I vanished, either.

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>>54007948
My dick.

>>54007948
"...Yes, I suppose you could just take the long way and go around the other side... ...I have nothing else prepared for today. That's it. I guess we're done."

Thus ended my first multiple player game, in which I GM'd for a much more experienced player.

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Rewinding the plot for something that made perfect sense IC to do (a character having the opportunity to easily kill the BBEG with a sniper rifle, and taking it, and rolling ridiculously to do so), but which would have derailed the entire plot completely.

Pretty much everyone at the table agreed it would be fucking stupid and anticlimatic storywise if that happened at this moment, and the player said they got ahead of themselves with just rolling it away and everything and that they would kick out a player themselves if they did this to them, so there weren't any hard feelings there.

But, myself, I still feel like the dice told me this should be so, even if it would have made me throw out all of my notes and have to asspull something completely new and probably much stupider.

>No, I can't run the game next semester. I have Senior Design and Hydrology to worry about and those are going to eat all my time.
What I'm not sure is if it was harder to say the first time or the eighth.

>>54010380
Eight players or retaking the same classes eight times?

>>54009243

DM: You stand at the precipice of the Tomb of Whores!

>Bard starts whistling and saunters in

>>54008887
Tell that to your boss you lazy piece of shit.

>>54010412
No no no, telling the players eight separate times.
Though at one point, it certainly felt like I would have to take Hydrology eight times just to understand it.

>>54010290
>the player said they got ahead of themselves with just rolling it away and everything and that they would kick out a player themselves if they did this to them
If the player just saw the opportunity and rolled without checking with the GM in any way, yeah, that's not kosher.
A bit of a rewind after realizing that just going along with it would be disastrous is fine there.
I've fudged when I let someone roll then realizing that mitigating factors meant I shouldn't have allowed or called for the roll in the first place.

>But, myself, I still feel like the dice told me this should be so
I get that feeling.
I would have fiated the damage rules if there was no plausible way to block the shot at the last second (and if taking the shot wouldn't derail every damn thing for the players)
Player take the shot, a small splash of blood and the BBEG goes down, hijinks ensue, hours later he is up, angry, and determined but also gonna sport a sexy new scar.
Five seconds on the internet confirmed an anecdotal account of a 9mm bullet deflecting off a skull from being fired 10 inches away.

"Look, heads do all sorts of crazy things when you shoot 'em." - Agent Seeley Booth

>>54010452
>Wizard has to explain to the bard about homophones, about the sort of people found in tombs, and about necrophilia, immediately regrets the last bit.

>>54009421

Sinking down to your level

>>54010536
A head might do crazy things when zinged by handgun rounds, but when it's a rifle the craziest thing they usually do is just pop.

>>54010290
When real-life BBEGs (for whatever given value of BBE) are killed, power vacuums form. So it depends whether your designated bad guy made up all or most of the threat on his own or if he had any sort of apparatus working beneath him, but if it were me I'd accept it as a consequence of enabling the scenario in the first place and shift gears towards having the players try to deal with the ensuing fallout. Again, this knowing nothing about what your game was like.

>>54010290
It might be a bit cheesy but you can rewrite it that it was a body double that took the bullet. Even have the bbeg announce a week later that he miraclously recovered from his wounds, while the double is in a morgue or shallow grave or something.

>>54010536
>Five seconds on the internet confirmed an anecdotal account of a 9mm bullet deflecting off a skull from being fired 10 inches away.

And if you believe that you'll also believe there's Richard Simmons jr. running around.

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>>54010971
I love it. Dino de Laurentis, bravo.

>>54007948
"He left the group because you kept treating his character like shit. And as the one who introduced you two to each other it physically hurts me to hear you talk shit about him behind his back like some kind of high school gossip queen."

>>54010971
>And if you believe that you'll also believe there's Richard Simmons jr. running around.
Meh, I've seen crazier things actually confirmed, like a bullet ricocheting off water in the middle of a lake to hit a driver in a passing car through the gap in the window, into their temple.
Plus I totally saw it happen to that Ukrainian in that one episode of Sopranos.

>>54010799
>A head might do crazy things when zinged by handgun rounds, but when it's a rifle the craziest thing they usually do is just pop.
Fun fact: That quote was a sniper specifically talking about rifle shots and what heads do as they pop.
But your point is valid. A perfectly rolled rifle shot is not the same thing as a glancing pistol shot.
I still would not be surprised if a glancing rifle shot to the skull could be easily survived, but that was not what was rolled.

>>54011249
Just to clarify: that bullet ricochet off water was crazier than the one off the skull, and neither is crazier than Richard Simmons Jr.

>>54011262
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Seedman#1962.E2.80.931971:_As_detective
Guy got fined a hundred bucks for violating local firearm ordinances. Fucking amazing.

"I'm not crying."

>>54007948
"Yes, I did have sex with your mom."

>>54010290
You and your entire table are a bunch or gigantic faggots. Seriously, what the fuck, this has to be the weakest shit I've read all week.

>>54011978
Why brother? She's been dead for years!

>>54008103
>Sorry I didnt show up, and didn't even respond last night. I know I am the GM and the game can't run without me, and I should have told you. I'll make it up to you, I promise.

The worst part is, that I still haven't told them it was due to no sleep for a good 50 hours, overworked to shit, and that I no-showed with no response because I collapsed at work, and was lying unconscious in the hospital at the time of our session.

>>54012162
That's why it was hard to say, anon.

>>54007992
Damn man yeah had to kick a close friend because his attendance was so spotty it was screwing with the group comp. His work schedule was just not reliable enough that he barely showed up to any sessions. Till finally i just told him sorry man but this is just not working out he was cool about it though .

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"Dude, you just threw a shit fit and blamed -New guy- for your dude's death. We're like level 13, you would've come back next session anyways if not this one but we've taken a group vote and kicking you off."

He proceeded to throw another shit fit, a month later try to get back in contact with me (This guy only ever spoke to me when it was tabletop related and he wanted something for his character) and is still stalking me to this day after like a year.

>>54008149
>Just don't start drinking to stop it, that'll only make things worse

How I wish someone had have told me this 5 years ago.

>>54008887
You are either too young to post on this site or NEET scum. Either way you should not be here.

>>54010194

How could you possibly be so inflexible?

Do you understand improvisation?

>>54010577
>whores and horrors are homophones

speech impediment, ESL or just fucking retarded?

>>54012761
Probably not native English, certain accents can make words sound completely different than a native speaker would be able to pick up on.

>>54008887
You have it the wrong way around, I skipped half of elementary and middle school.

>I don't want to play with you anymore
The guy deserved it

>>54012594
Honestly anon, while it didn't take me five years to realize that, it did take a very startling event. For background, my father had been an alcoholic. Now the event was that I had gone to visit my mother (father had died years ago). When I got there, despite no hangover, having brushed my teeth, took a shower, and so on, the first words out of her mouth were that I smelled like an alcoholic. That shocked me enough to get some serious help. You won't feel better overnight and it won't be as easy as just drinking your problems away, but in the end it will lead to a happier life.

>>54007948
i told a player to shut the fuck up when I got sick of him interrupting the game whenever he sensed an oppurtunity to have a good rant about how communism will somehow solve whatever the issue is this week.
Corrupt noble?
>We need to kill all nobles and establish a stateless proletariat, because in the communist world...
Bandits are robbing and killing people on the road?
>The real problem is the nobles. We need to join forces with the bandits and slaughter the nobility because then the communist system will fix everything...
Starvation due to magical blight that killed all the crops and is beyond anybody's control?
>If we just kill the bourgeoise we can redistribute their property and that will fix things, because in the communist world...
So I told him to shut the fuck up or piss off. He doesn't play with us anymore.

>>54007948
I've had a "1<2. NO!, 2>1" argument
It took 3 hours to convince him that we were already in agreement and just phrasing it differently, bastard just would not let it go.

>started a r20 group with randoms and DMed pathfinder.
>had 5 players 3 guys 2 girls
>At first it was slow and awkward but after 5 months, most of us are comfortable around each other.
>However one of the guys was a stereotype neckbeard, we didn't know this until a few weeks ago
>He was quiet and had a strange way of roleplaying, we all thought it was his character
>One of the girls played a sorcerer who found it hard to to trust people, but quickly trusted the Neckrbeard who was a paladin
>The sorcerer start to see the paladin as a brother and acted so.
>however the neckbeard saw this as her hitting on him
>over the months he started to do weird things to the sorcerer
>It started when his pally wanted to start sleeping in the same room/tent, 'for protection', raised some eyebrows
>then it got strange. the sorcerer likes to take baths, the pally wanted to watch over here so nothing bad happens. She said 'fine' but she wanted a screen to give her privacy
>the pally gave a long though out reason why she should let him see her at all times when she bathing. sorcerer say 'we're in a safe place so no need'. Then he says very loud "I WANT TO PROTECT THAT SMILE!"
>*awkward silence*
>since then, the sorcerer started to push the paladin away and said in character that he was getting to clingy
>the neckbeard PMs me "Dude you should make a situation where pally and sorc are alone"
>this was the breaking point for me and about 5min later i ended the game for the night.
>I sent the girl a pic of what the neakbeard said and she was freaking out. i told her to have a talk with him. She agreed but I had to be there.
>The talk was so creepy, the girl talked to the neckbeard about how she's willing to go back to the brother and sister like friendship. But the neckbeard confest him loved and said he would treat her like the goddess she it and this went on for 10mins.
>We talked to the party about this and voted to kick the neckbeard and we did

That was a really creepy experience..

>>54012778
>>54012761
Just too lazy to find a better ways to say "two words that kinda sound similar if you aren't paying attention or have an accent, like horse and whores."

>>54008991
Can't be a decent wage slave if you won't organize your entire life around the hours your employer tells you where to be and what to do, after all.

>Sorry dude i know you were really stoked to play in the game and you have a cool character concept but i'm going to have to boot you. You're just not clicking with the rest of the players.

The guy had severe but "high-functioning" asbergers. Kinda felt like i was kicking a puppy but it had to be done

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>>54012162
"so that's why she was just laying there quiet..."

"wow, I guess you <rules lawyer> are right, ok, so, the monster doesn't kill you"

>>54012740
>How could you possibly be so inflexible?
It was less about being inflexible than it was about having the entire session undone in a few minutes.
The story was abbreviated to fit OP’s question and I omitted the couple skillcheck rolls that killed the BBEG, thereby achieving the goal of the session and all the material I had prepared.

>Do you understand improvisation?
First, yes.
Second, I said it was my first time running more than a one-on-one.
Third, I was decent at improv and had put together the whole session from scratch in an afternoon.
Fourth, I had designed the entire second half of the session to be about storming the BBEG’s ranch, which he would have fortified against an attack coming from their direction unless they beat the first encounter super quietly, which they didn’t.
The new but older and more experienced player (with an Ent familiar and an animal companion) had them sneak up, spy the defenses, and since I hadn’t thought to give them a time-based challenge, suggested they simply circle around and approach the ranch from the opposite direction. I was surprised and couldn’t think of a response. They snuck in under darkness into the stable where for some reason, that probably had to do with my telegraphing the idea by not letting them see my map, he searched the stable for a secret door, found the BBEG’s escape tunnel, snuck up it, successfully crept behind him after I rolled to see where he was, and slit his throat.
So in the space of a few surprising but reasonable rolls, my entire session was finished.
Today, I could probably roll with it, but at the time I was kinda defeated and since I had been asked to whip up a scenario in a vacuum, I had nothing else to draw from to create another challenge.

>>54013470
>Third, I was decent at improv and had put together the whole session from scratch in an afternoon.
Do you consider preparing a session improv, or are you just randomly mentioning these two things in the same sentence?

>>54011021
This. Why are there GM's who shit on that one specific character? Particularly when it's undeserving.

>>54013427
Please elaborate.

"And shit like this is why you are now a single"

>>54013358
Listen buddy, I am a self employed finance support guy, I work as much as I want for my customers, and I regularly earn 10k burgerdollars a month.

If you no-shows even twice, you destroy literally all credibility you might have built for yourself. This applies as much to personal life as it does to your professional life.

I understand some of you here are NEETs, and likely dont work much, if at all, but just understand that in an ordinary person's life, you can't no-show without ridiculously good reasons (hospital/doctor/health issue in genergeneral, death, etc). The average boss will fire you, your friends and family will begin to resent you, and a more casual group of roleplayers who barely know you? They will kick you out. This should not be a surprise.

You can have other plans, sure, but plans are, you know, planned, and you should know how to work around it.

I organise the economics and funds of a severely mentally ill woman, who can't work in a social environment worth shit, and SHE can manage to say "ahh, I can't attend there, I have other plans for that day".

You really have no excuse. It is not like the gaming days come as a surprise. And if you can't, for gods sake get help, you idiot.

>>54013443
>"wow, I guess you <rules lawyer> are right, ok, so, the monster kills you."
>What now?

He insisted on a stupid ruling that would mean a TPK, and since nobody else spoke up, I just went with it. TPK, new PCs. Really stupid.

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>BBEG being used to describe historical figures as well now
This place is truly fucked

>>54013567
Usually it's because the GM has a personal problem with some part of the character or the player that's unrelated to the game. Like he doesn't like player personally, an atheist shitting on a devout paladin, or a he doesn't like that the bard is gay or something to that effect.

It's usually people who have a hard time separating their real life beliefs from the game and can't deal with it like a mature person.

>>54013721
>BBEG being used at all

Ugh.

>>54013738
>Ugh
BBEG

>>54007948
"I'm fading to black because even though I'm responsible for your character gaining a lover, I'm not here to provide you with fap fuel.
Now, control your power level, we're in a game store."

>>54012277
The fuck is wrong with you?
Tell them that you dummy, they'll understand.

>>54007948
>Game is over, I lost all of my inspiration because you all just sit there and do nothing.

>>54013693
>Assumptions; the post

>I am a self employed finance support guy
So your situation is in no way similar to that of a wage slave.

>I work as much as I want for my customers
This is a luxury not afforded the common wage slave.

>If you no-shows even twice, you destroy literally all credibility you might have built for yourself.
You make your own appointments on a case-by-case basis, don't you? The common wage slave signs a single agreement and suddenly has another human being telling him where he has to be for X hours out of every week. Don't even tell me that's the same as your situation.

>>54013693
Even NEETs understand this concept, Anon. It's not something that has to do with experience, but with consideration. In my experience a lot of people consider social events to be secondary, and take more liberties with them. And to an extent, that's acceptable. Because frankly, a lot less rides on your ass showing up to the game.

It's when people start taking too many liberties that it becomes annoying. I know this guy who will pull the "I have other plans" excuse way too often, and it's infuriating. Mostly because it's self-serving. I've seen that dude leave a close friend's birthday party to smoke weed on his own. I've had him blow me off because he needed "alone time" despite being there for him every day of the week when he went through shit himself.

I think it comes down to the person, and the environment they're used to. My other friends are maybe not very punctual, but I know I can count on them. We dislike flaking, in the end, because it's self-serving.

>>54013796
No, but the post implied that only wage slaves are limited to these "have to be here at xx:xx or you're fired".

You should never no-show, at any point in your life. The least you could do is give them a call the second you know you will be delayed/prevented from showing up.

>Setting my own appointments
You have never worked with customers in a service business before, have you?

>>54009029
Conversely, if you're not willing to make a commitment that everyone else is, why should they keep you around?

>>54013785
Maybe, but I don't want to lose the group, it is literally what is getting me through every week, knowing that our weekly game night is always on.

I know for sure that my players would force me to take a break, no matter what I say. I would much rather just keep going and say nothing, and try to deal with my issues in the work side of my life instead.

>>54009029
You are an idiot. People are planning and making sure to meet up on time, and you decide to no-show because... what, exactly? "Fuck you I didn't feel like it?"

>>54013775
>Now, control your power level, we're in a game store.
Oh fuck, my sides.

>>54013831
>You have never worked with customers in a service business before, have you?
It's all I ever do. I'm self-employed as well. My customers don't tell me when to work, they ask whether I'm available.

>You should never no-show, at any point in your life.
Whatever. Fine. I'm not even sure why you feel the need to make this point.

>No, but the post implied that only wage slaves are limited to these "have to be here at xx:xx or you're fired".
Uh, no. Don't equate every kind of appointment you might make to the hierarchical relationship between a wage slave and an employer.

>>54007981
Do you at least mention it to them before hand?
If they're just oblivious they might take the lack of comments to mean what they're doing is okay. Typically people try to fix things once its mentioned to them. And it gives you more safe room when you kick them out because its not out of the blue.

>>54014003
>Whatever. Fine. I'm not even sure why you feel the need to make this point.
probably because you, or the post you're defending, was being an edgy fucklord about attendance not mattering
turns out that if you don't show up to the shit you said you would, people don't like it and won't do that shit with you anymore - no matter the situation.

>>54007948
"your GF is not allowed to game night dude, she is fucking annoying and disrupting the game and you act like a faggot when she is here"

>>54012008
>>54010536
>>54010799
>>54010938
A bunch of things to consider from the game:

- It was a homebrew system, which would give changing rules on the fly even worse taste.
- It wasn't a headshot, it was a 300m shot at a thing sized as a golf ball that was on the inside of a flat footed body. That said, the character's firearms/perception skills are completely ridiculous to the point they can see a few hundred meters through the walls. They also enchanted the bullet to do vastly more damage than rifle rounds are meant to do, thus bypassing the mechanics in place against trying that kind of a thing, and rolled stupid high damage to tie it up.
- If the shot failed to kill, they'd get immediately swarmed by faggotbird familiars screaming sound waves of fuck you which were present in the area, whilst having zero defensive capabilities, not even being a combat character at all, and still in system shock from having undergone emergency resurrection less than an hour earlier, hence them being separated from the party to begin with.

So we went with "The character considered it and decided it's not worth the high likelihood of failure, because automatic hit at nat 10 out of cover should probably not apply to completely ridiculous called shots like this but I didn't write that anywhere, because you are using a school of magic that's not supposed to be available to players to accomplish this and your sheet (genuinely accidentally) has like twenty points more than it should have, because we are not even sure lorewise if this thing is even present in the material realm before the body is destroyed, because it would wreck every other character arc as well as the main storyline."

Then we had a big fat boss fight with the villian flying away screaming revenge instead, and it was cool, but I still feel bad about it. I would have asspulled DR for the person and gone with it only cracking, if it was an option, but it wasn't.

>>54014050

Yeah. This was after multiple conversations and attempts to bring it to their attention which hadn't helped the situation at all.

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>>54013775
>Now, control your power level, we're in a game store."

>>54007948
>Knock off the mid-game bitching about how I run the game. If you have a problem, that's what the after-game questions, comments, and concerns is for. Use it for once

It was with new people, who I have never met before, and I was apprehensive of them throwing a big enough shit fit that'd explode the group and my game altogether.

>>54007948
>"...you fail to save her"

>>54007948
Sarah, please don't put your finger up my ass again. It hurt last time.

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>player has a really cool and thought out plan to deal with some bullshit, albeit somewhat risky
>tell them to roll for it
>they roll absolutely garbage
>have to tell them they failed, even though i really fucking liked their plans
Resisting the urge to fudge shit is really fucking hard sometimes.

>>54015473

As a general principle, I think you should only roll if there's an interesting consequence to both success and failure.

If a player has an awesome plan and it completely falling through would just be dull? Then the roll isn't for whether they succeed, it's for whether there are additional consequences or costs as part of the success.

>>54015530
That's probably a good philosophy. I'm fairly new at GMing and still trying to get the hang of it, so I should probably keep that in mind.

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>>54008313
>>54008304
I get both of your stupid jokes.

>>54013527
>Do you consider preparing a session improv, or are you just randomly mentioning these two things in the same sentence?
I feel that pulling a session out of your ass in an afternoon as a fledgling GM shows similar skills as improvising on the spot, so it was less than a random mentioning, but no they aren't really the same thing.

>>54007948
"Look, dude, I get it, you want to name your character after another person and make that character a complete whore for whatever fucking reason. But please, tone it down a bit, I don't need to hear your character's obsession with cock every five minutes."
He left soon after that.

I've had to call the police on some asshole who broke shit when I told him the monster was immune to magic missile. He had based his character around ONLY using magic missile so I don't know what he expected.

>>54007948

>"Sorry guys it's been literally months since I last ran a session for this game, it's pretty clear I'm not cut out for this GMing business"

>>54015883
what

>>54016151

If you think that's surprising, you should hear the story about the time an Exalted writer did that with a canon NPC.

>>54016194
Are you talking about Harmonious Jade? I thought she just had a running gag of getting the shit beaten out of her by mooks?

>>54016398

I honestly can't remember her real name. It was an Abyssal nicknamed 'Chaintits', given that the only thing she wore on her chest was a chain running through a pair of nipple rings.

Apparently she was based upon one of the writers exes and as such he wrote her to be a total slut full of disease, just wanting to spread it and corrupt people with her influence. Some pretty creepy, awful and offensive stuff, honestly.

>>54016455
The Lady of Darkness in Bloodstained Robes, originally Rose Petals Parted. Harmonious Jade is the Solar night caste who gets toyed with by non-combatants.

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>>54016626
>Rose Petals Parted

>>54011021
>physically
You meant emotionally.

>>54016789
You meant literally.

>>54016806
no, he meant figuratively.

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>>54008103
>"I won't be able to make it this week"
>Everyone asks why
>"I'm in the hospital"
They all knew how I got there, and they all visited which was really nice, but we didn't play my campaign again for a long time.

That was a hard fuckin' year man.

>>54017099
Someone needed a potion of cure light wounds

>>54010290
>actually retconning a perfectly logical event because MUH PLOT

You're a faggot, but your player is an even bigger faggot for actually saying they'd kick someone out for doing it to them and their oversensitive little bitch pussy.

>>54010194
Worst GM of all times right here, 10 times worse than this one >>54010290

>>54011021
What the fuck man? Why would anyone do this?

>>54012277
Why wouldn't you tell them that its because you haven't slept due to work? you retarted or something?

>>54012898
lmao, fucking commies always being retarded kek

>>54013470
>It was less about being inflexible than it was about having the entire session undone in a few minutes.
Why in the name of God, our lord and savior, would you design an entire session around "players will take this route because of reasons", why would you do that?

>>54017532
Would you want to play in a game with someone dead set on pidgeon holing your PC?

>>54007948
>I'm sorry you've put all this work amd backstory into your new character concept but I just rolled two crits so they're dead from massive damage.

Just kidding. I love killing my players. My rule zero is that stupidity must be punished.

>>54013796
>wage slave
>wage slave
>wage slave
>>54013358
>wage slave
>>54008887
>Attendance should only matter up till middle school.

NEET detected. GET A JOB YOU LAZY FUCK.
What's that? You tried, but 'attendance only matters until middle school' means you didn't have any qualifications?
You didn't even show up on time for your first shift?
God, you're pathetic.

>>54007948
>"If you don't stop that shit I'm not going to run this game for you."
> "Nope, you were warned. No more game. How about we play DnD next week?"

> "No, seriously, pay fucking attention when I'm talking, I'm the GM."
> "No, I already TOLD you that, but you were busy texting. Give me your phone."
> "Yes, I clicked my fingers at you like a dog, because it's YOUR FUCKING TURN and you weren't paying attention. No I won't apologise. Fuck off if you're not going to take this seriously."

> "Sorry guys, I can't run the game this week. The cat got in and pissed on the rulebook, and it fucking stinks. Game suspended until I can get a new one."

My players once faced a powerful dragon called Myrkveturfjallsomethingsomethingdyr. It felt the urge to introduce itself at the beginning of combat.

>>54017273
How's that Gryhawk campaign treating you, my grognard friend?

>>54013873
>>54013888
I meant the opposite of what you thought I was saying, retards, follow the reply chain before you post.

>>54007948
Had to kick a dude out of the group. Guy was constantly angry because of other problems in his life, couldn't take a joke (even though he made jokes at the expense of others), had a lawful good character that killed freaking innocent people and got mad at people that pointed it out, was a very shitty friend that lied constantly.
These reasons are merely scratching the surface of why we kicked him out. I'm friends with the for little more than 10 years, but I hope I don't have to sit through him playing that fucking paladin again.

>>54018765
What's up with players thinking they can go around murdering innocents for little to no reason and still be Good?

I've got a person in my game who thinks they're Chaotic Good, while at the same time feeling it's entirely in their right to murder literally anyone who slightly inconveniences them

>>54013130
Poor Neckbeards have their cerebrum connected to their dick

>>54017487
>Worst GM of all times right here
Ouch.
I can't really argue in my defense.
It was just the once and I got better though, really.

>>54017684
>Why in the name of God, our lord and savior, would you design an entire session around "players will take this route because of reasons", why would you do that?
Why did Harry and Ron steal a flying car rather than just send an owl?
To get into my retarded mindset, imagine the goal was to get some cheese.
So I put the cheese in the center of a maze, design several ways in, several paths through, and even a rough idea on how to handle it if they climb on top of the walls.
Then the players say they'll just go to the store for some cheese.
It's like that, only much, much stupider.
I expected multiple paths, but forgot to get them to the door.
Plus, I had a 14 year old's concept of plot development.
I think Xena was quality storytelling for me at the time.

>>54007948
"Oh... I guess everyone is down and out. With only a few HP left on the boss monster."

Full disclosure is pain sometimes.

how about kicking someone for failing their charisma check ?

>>54018800
Because video games

>>54019522
>Kicking a player due to bad RNG
Explain

>>54018800
He thought he was justified in doing every single one of these things. He was a dragonborn and constantly threatened, tortured and even, as I said before killed an innocent.
I could go into detail about every one of those but I'll explain the innocent part.
We were chasing down this vampire cult that had infiltrated a castle town. After some runnning around and my character nearly getting buttloved by a vampire, we found an underground net of tunnels that the bloodsuckers used. We got in and killed and routed most vampires but we found the body of a victim that was just bitten and transformed into one of them.
We tried talking to her and she was fully aware of her surroundings and spoke clearly to us. So we decided to help her cope with her unwanted vampirism. The paladin had great Heal skill and we decided he should help her recuperate and we explicitely told him about 5 times "Don't use Lay on Hands or anything of that nature, because you'll just kill her." He looked at us nodded and told the DM "I use Lay on Hands on her.".
The DM just looked really sorrily at us and told the table "She dies from the holy radiance". Everybody was just freaking flabbergasted at how stupid and stubborn that motherfucker was and as my character (and me) angrily chased down and killed every single vampire, the paladin huffed and had the nerve to say "Now he's going to get pissy because of that".
I swear to god, dude had no idea of what roleplaying motherfucking means.

>>54019741
Sorry, but I'm going to have to side with the paladin here. It's a goddamn vampire, there's literally nothing wrong with killing it.

>>54019691
Explaining a joke kills it, but ok

charisma .. charismatic; you don´t want assholes in your party

>>54019424
I can do you one worse. We had literally killed ourselves bringing the boss monster down into the negatives, total party wipe, but hey, the bastard was down and out right?
DM rolls his dice and he says. "He made his fort save."
Mere text cannot properly describe how fucking unhappy he sounded about it.

What makes it worse, if I had just stood back and let the idiots DIE with their dumb suicide bomb, I could have hit the down BBEG with a Coup De Grace and saved the goddamn world. Instead, I charged the bastard and hit him with an attack that didn't even bypass his DR before we all exploded.

>>54019789
No, man, fuck that. Killing someone that does harm and is just out to slake their thirst is one thing. If you read the story that's what we were all doing all along, but this chick had nothing to do with the whole story and we were fully aware that she was just caught in the crossfire. Every single one of our characters are veterans and experienced adventurers and we explained to her there was ways of living her life without doing any harm to another sentient being. Justice is to be applied on a case-to-case basis not to be dished out without thought, and at that point is not even Justice, it's simple murder.
She didn't want the curse and was willing to not harm anyone else. Fuck your broad strokes.

>>54019934
It's not murder when they're already dead, anon.

>>54019789
This.
At that point, it was a mercy kill. Naught but the mightiest magics can unmake a turned vampire, you can't just reform them, and if the option is either let it go to become a terror when it's new nature takes hold or putting it down, I, as my group's resident paladin, would pray for her soul, do the deed, and provide weregild to her family.
What else can you fucking do? The Best Way is sometimes beyond you, and The Only Way is all you have left.

>>54019789
>>54020004
>sticking to unfounded assumptions about the setting even when directly contradicted
You are That Guy.

>>54017743
I won't be surprised if anon meant "why would he act like shit toward the character, gossip and generally be an ass" but I may be wrong.

>>54020111
Nothing you've said about the setting contradicts the fact that undead monsters such as vampires deserve to be put to rest in the slightest, idiot.

>>54020213
Not a samefag and you need to work on your reading comprehension.
>Every single one of our characters are veterans and experienced adventurers and we explained to her there was ways of living her life without doing any harm to another sentient being.

>>54020299
Irrelevant.

>>54020111
I can think of settings on one hand that can cleanse the taint of vampirism, anon. And unless the players had that kind of power in spades, because in all of those settings you need fucking bookoo juice, they had no resort that wouldn't put others in extreme jeopardy.
And yes, OP said paladin, that implies D&D, and in no version of D&D is vampirism something you can do away with easily.
If they were a lycanthrope, that would be a different story. Don't get belligerent when you are speaking from a position of the absolute most hopeful position.

>>54020305
They knew it was possible outside the realm of theory for a vampire to be harmless fuck tard, ergo an immediate death sentence was unjustified.

>>54020299
And every day would be a struggle that if a meter of ground was given, could give way.
I believe in hope, but hope should not come at the expense of those who rely on heroes to protect them.

>>54020333
It's not a death sentence, anon. You can't kill someone who is already dead. The most you can do is put them to rest so their soul may be at peace.

>>54020319
>>54020336
It's fine if you believe that it's okay to kill people for crimes they have neither committed nor have shown intent to commit but if you were a paladin I'd make your ass fall on the spot for taking the easy way out.

>>54019337
Well I'm glad you got better, but really, you should never stop a session just because the players fucked you over, just roll with it

>>54020333
At what cost and risk?
You can "tame" a tiger, but it's still a beast, and the veneer of docility is thing at best.
Like I said, being a hero means making some hard choices, you don't need to like it, but you don't need to be a hero, either.
>>54020393
>easy way
>no other option that doesn't put those who can't fight back at peril
Then you would also make the paladin fall if rehabilitation ever, in the vampire's immortal life, failed, and became the monster every impulse in her body demands her to be.
Congrats, you just made a paladin falls catch 22, so fuck off.

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>>54020319
>bookoo

>>54019691
You dumb cuck, he is saying that he is kicking someone because he, as a human being, fails the charisma check because his stats are too low and the roleplays like shite

>>54019337
>It was just the once and I got better though, really.
Good to see someone still learns from their mistakes; at least you know why you were shit.
And knowing is half the battle.

>>54020436
This is why Hard Choices fags are the worst. You think your shit doesn't stink like everyone else's.
>put those who can't fight back at peril
Show me where the active and imminent threat is.

>>54020484
>Show me where the active and imminent threat is.
A true vampire out on their own that by existing is a threat to the average person, and by allowing to go free, you are now responsible for.
Unless you feel the players should literally babysit her for the rest of her unnatural life?
I never said it was a good choice, but sometimes you need to work with what you have, and understand the nature of what you are dealing with.
If the players had the tools to deal with it, sure, but if this is D&D, those tools are in the hands of the truly mighty, and often beyond the players.
Like I said, assuming the best possible circumstance is a fool's game that turns on you, and if you are wrong, it's not you who suffers from your miscall. Go shitpost elsewhere.

Guys, original innocent-paladin-killer poster here.
Remove Affliction can cure a Dark Spawn.
We later revived her and performed the ritual and she got better. The paladin didn't help nor pay for any components for those rituals.
There really is no room for argument here, she could be saved from the start, and the paladin was rash and inconsequent.

>>54020536
>by existing is a threat to the average person
You're sticking to an assumption even when proven wrong. You are That Guy.

>>54020393
>It's fine if you believe that it's okay to kill people for crimes they have neither committed nor have shown intent to commit but if you were a paladin I'd make your ass fall on the spot for taking the easy way out.
It's not PEOPLE, it's a goddamn vampire. If you'd really make a Paladin fall for killing a vampire, then you're a terrible GM.

>>54019934
>Every single one of our characters are veterans and experienced adventurers and we explained to her there was ways of living her life without doing any harm to another sentient being.
This whole thing is dependent upon whether reformed vampires are a plausible and theoretical possibility in the setting or an actual, concrete reality.
If they cold have sent her to Jerimiah the Peaceful Vampire Hermit to learn to control her new hunger, that's one thing.
If their plan was to pat her on the head and tell her she has hope of not becoming a soulless killer, then the paladin had the right idea.
It really, really depends on the setting.

>>54020393
>I'd make your ass fall on the spot for taking the easy way out.
But this is shit unless "taking the easy way out" was his deity's pet peeve.

>>54020548
>proven wrong
What proof, anon?
What was said was that there was a possibility of trying to stay on the straight and narrow, but you don't even know what that is, but insist it will work, whereas my assumption is based on what the vast majority of settings says about vampires.
You have nothing, and this is your last (you) from me.

>>54007948
>she doesn't have a penis

>>54020565
>>54020589
>all vampires in all settings are always the same
I hope you also play with a table full of grognards like yourself because otherwise you are probably That Guy.

>>54020548
>if I scream loud enough long enough, that means I win the argument
Go kill yourself retard.

>>54020431
>you should never stop a session just because the players fucked you over
I stopped the session because the achieved the win condition in less than half the alotted time and the whole thing was intentionally crafted as an isolated one-shot.
But yeah, I coulda done literally anything else.

>>54020606
Literally nothing >>54019741 said indicates that vampires in the setting are different in any way that matters.

>>54012594
Your problem isn't drinking faggot, it's accountability.

>>54020632
It's not my fault you're bad at reading.

>>54020461
My immediate mental response to having nothing else prepared or improvised was "It took me an hour to write so I thought it would take an hour to play!"
So very sad.

>>54020547
>>54020580
His deity is Bahamut, so I guess killing someone that could be helped kinda constitutes some sort of punishment. The DM said he had half a mind to do it but didn't want to derail the campaign.
And also, do mind what I say in the tagged post.

>>54020656
I can read perfectly fine, you're just an idiot who apparently thinks Twilight vampires are the default.

>>54020656
He is right, it literally doesn't, if anything that post proves they are just like any other vampire.

The party was killing bloodsuckers on a daily basis. A new vampire had just been born. It was the right thing to kill it while its weak

>>54020547
Welp, there you go.

>>54020548
You are both theoretically wrong and wrong in this specific instance.

>>54020536
>Unless you feel the players should literally babysit her for the rest of her unnatural life?
More or less the best Good option, with variations, for the hypothetical scenario.

>>54010938
>>54010290
Something like this, but do what Call of Duty did (yes, I know, the perfect game to take story ideas from) and make it so the bad guy just took the shot in an arm or leg, giving them more reason to be against the PCs, and making it so the shot actually meant something

>>54020759
Read the thread.

>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/kentucky-woman-apparently-devoured-wolf-dogs-article-1.1467385
>Kentucky woman devoured by her wolf pets
This is you, vampire apologist. This is your future. The paladin did nothing wrong, the party and GM are retarded, a good GM would have fucked the party in the ass for bringing her back.

>>54020843
Read the thread, retard.

>>54020864
>reading
Get a life.

>>54020804
Huh.
Not sure how I got turned around there.
You are clearly not wrong in this specific instance.

But in grneral, if a lady gets turned into a vampire, she becomes a potential threat, even in Twilight.
Killing a peaceful behaving victim of a vampire is less than Good.
Letting a potential killer vampire go free is also less than Good.

Worst case scenario, I'd let her go and track her down right after business was done, hoping for the best.

>>54020878
>reading
>news
Gosh, sure seems normie in here. Go back to fucking your beautiful wife and working your more-than-average paying job, we are discussing make believe in here.

>>54020924
If we're playing make-believe, can we discuss your beautiful wife and more-than-average paying job?

>>54020949
Sure

>>54019821
This makes ME sad.

>>54012611
>NEETs shouldn't be here

Don't tell /r9k/

>>54019821
But you all got an epic story to share, so congratulations.

>>54020843
Then good thing you are not my good GM, anon ;)

>>54015921
Holy shit that player is retarded
Does he even know what the Shield spell does?

"I want you here but your girlfriend refuses to put any effort in, and when I boot her she makes things difficult for us and goes out of her way to monopolize your time so I have to treat you like a package deal. You can come hang out, but if she or you derail things I'll have to stop that too."
And then it stopped being difficult and I had one of the most fun campaigns of my life. I wish people could be objective and self-aware, I'd have more friends that way.

>>54007948
Im sorry, I cant run game anymore. Its too stressful. Even though I love you all, I never want to do it again.

>>54019741
This is why I explicitly allow my players to "cancel" one guy's stupid decisions by unanimity minus one.

>I kill that one NPC the other players all want to help
No you don't, this is a group game and the fun of four people is worth more than yours. I don't care if your fun is right and everyone else's is wrong, you can just leave.

>>54007948
>I know your character wants a romance arc but GOD DAMN IT I DON'T WANT TO ROLEPLAY A GAY DWARF STOP HITTING ON NPCS

>>54021155
How exactly is it a "stupid decision", are you retarded?

>>54021191
Go to bed Gaider, you're drunk

>>54007948
My dick

>>54021248
It was a stupid decision within the context of anon's game because, as specified, there is a very real in-universe way to cure vampirism, and the other party members were willing to take that risk, you double faggot.

But honestly it doesn't matter whether the decision is stupid or not. Your decision can be the most brilliant shit ever, if the other players don't like it one bit, you're not doing it at my table.

>>54021303
>punishing brilliant ideas because you don't like them
Great way to promote role playing, pal!
>if the other players don't like it one bit, you're not doing it at my table.
Thank god I don't play in Stalin's table. Dictatorships like yours are the fucking worst and go against anything TTRPG stands for.

>>54007948

"You've been upsetting everyone else at the table repeatedly. You'll need to find a new group to game with."

>>54021345
And Stalin thanks god you don't play at his table.
Go be contrarian somewhere else.

"If you bring drugs into my house again I WILL make you regret it"

She did.

>>54021384
>stalin
>thanks god
AHAHAHAHAHA you ignorant fuck, there is nothing contrarian about opposing dictatorships like yours, asshole. Learn to play TTRPGs.

>>54021423
Cry some more, little baby

>>54021419
>muh puritan house
Grow a pair.

>>54021432
Really clever, Mao.

>>54021453
Keep crying, babyman

>>54021252
Heh

>>54021473
Oh, your wittiness is reach!. You actually have no way to defend yourself, am I right? You know you run a dictatorship like fucking Hitler, you know you are wrong, but you are too much of a fucking coward to man up to it and change your views. You are everything wrong with modern GMs.

>>54021527
>Literally Alex Jones
WHAT IS HITLER WHAT IS STALIN WHAT IS MAO

>>54021345
>let's save that vampire and redeem it with the vampire redeeming magic that exists in this universe
>NO I WANNA KILL IT. LET ME KILL IT.
That's not "brilliant", that's just another plan. Nothing more.

Even if it was brilliant, I wouldn't fucking care. Not everything is about you. If you being able to smugly masturbate to how much of a genius you are and how right and smart you are comes at the cost of four other people's medium-term fun then it's not gonna happen.

Not everything is about you. And being told "no" because the other players aren't on board is not literal dictatorship, it's enforcing common fucking courtesy. Go ahead and find a table where every player ruins every other player's plan for the sake of petty power trips. I certainly don't miss gaming with people like you.

I had a player who was way more interested in combat than the rest of the group. He would usually not pay any attention to anything that wasn't combat. The sole exception was that he would interject and talk over people sometimes to intentionally screw up another player's attempts to talk things out, in the hopes that it would lead to combat.

Eventually I had to kick him out of the group. It was hard because he was friends with all of us outside the group, it's just that playing any sort of RPG brought out this impatient and kind of nasty side of him that made him willing to spoil everyone else's fun just to skip right to the part that he liked.

>>54021527
Waaaaaah, waaah. Keep crying, little babyman.

Blah, that's why I dislike when stuff like morality isn't discussed beforehand. Either you have objective set of tules regarding morality or you allow characters to go by their personal set of rules which you may personally disagree with but they pass as long as they're not blatant disregard for alignment.

I know of great paladin characters who were truly selfless, peaceful and charitable, truly saints in silver armor but I know of some great paladin characters who were also willing to burn a village, since they honestly believed that it's a necessary act for far greater good and to not commit it would be shirking their duty.

Either type can actually be complete shit. Former turned into dull, flat character that's just tiresome, latter turning into complete murderhobo asshole. But if the player's roleplaying them decently and not trying to "play the system" I allow either and usually the results are for the better.

>>54021570
Literally who? Read a book nigger.

>>54021573
>That's not "brilliant",
I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about this
>>54021303
>Your decision can be the most brilliant shit ever
you dumb fuck


>Not everything is about you.
Yeah, its about you. Really fucking sweet, Stalin. Just send any opposition to the Gulag.

> it's enforcing common fucking courtesy
This is fucking imaginary line. If we are at a bar, and you tell me to not pick up that glass. I can CHOOSE to pick it up anyway, regardless of your fucking feelings. If you want to wrestle about it, you do it in the medium itself. That's democracy, you have a right to CHOOSE.

You fucking Maoposter.

>>54021603
Only on /tg/ you could find such low specimens that are too afraid to speak up

>>54021345
>reading comprehesion GO
It wasn't a great idea though. It was estabilished by the poster that killing her was not the best course of action.

>>54021666
Yeah, reading comprehension. Learn to fucking read, I don't give a fuck about this vampire shit, we aren't talking about that. READING COMPREHENSION

>>54021673
Oh man, someone's fricking triggered over here.

>>54021683
Yeah, its you. You got triggered right before you decided to reply to me.

>>54021345
> the rest of the group can overrule one person's decision if all of them vote to do so
> Dictatorships like yours

Isn't that the exact opposite of a dictatorship? In a dictatorship, it's one person overruling the wishes of everyone else. In this case, it's everyone else voting to overrule one person.

>>54021648
>Literally who?
I refuse to believe that someone with as big of a boner for fascist dictators as you doesn't know who Alex Jones is

>>54021648
Keep crying, baby. Cry some more.

>>54021693
You realize that not all anons who start to complain about you coming off as a pretentious cunt are the ones you were arguing with? I didn't have stake in the whole discussion but you do seem to be getting progressively more mad, with your posts devolving to name-calling, strawman and "no u".

>>54021708
No, it's the same thing. In both cases you're not letting people do what they want to do. It doesn't matter if it's done by a vote or by a dictator. Democracy is just two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

>>54021708
Spoken like a true ignorant, dictatorships are run by a group of individuals protecting the power they have taken for themselves. No dictatorship is run alone. Stalin murdered his partner, and soon after Stalin was murdered himself for being a traitor to the inner circle.

You are too dumb to debate me, Maoposter.

>>54021721
He is a dictator? For how many years did he rule and which country does he own or owned?

>>54021725
When you are so pathetic you can't even believe you could be wrong. That's who you are.

>>54021728
Oh yeah? Because this post of yours sounds awfully pretentious to me. Like, you are literally projecting your own madness into me, your own fucking insecurities are being projected on me right in this post you claim to not be pretentious.

Get a grip on reality, man. You are a triggered shitlord, and you should own it.

>>54021784
>you're not letting people do what they want to do
That has literally nothing to do with whether something is a dictatorship or not

Do you need a dictionary, anon?

>>54021830
He is right, you know. The whole D&D motto is that you can do anything, you are free. In anon's game, you can't do anything, you are ruled by a biased entity. That's pretty much a dictatorship, or a tyranny by the majority democratic system. Both cases are awful and go against what the genre is about.

>>54021803
>Like, you are literally projecting your own madness into me
Aside from this not making much sense since my reasoning is hardly mad, you go on about insecurities and other buzzwords. There's no space for projecting insecurities if my post comes down to "calm down and stop acting like an asshole". Also, you again go with "no u", ending your shit with "you're triggered shitlord" still assuming people, including me are the ones you were arguing with. I am not, I don't give a shit about your paladin and vampire dilemma, I just hope you will learn to rein your autism. Kinda disappointing, the whole thing, really.

>>54021803
> dictatorships are run by a group of individuals protecting the power they have taken for themselves
If you have a group made up of 5 individuals and 4 of them want option A while 1 of them wants option B, them voting 4-to-1 for option A isn't a dictatorship. Dictatorship has a real definition, it's not just whatever you don't like.

>>54021851
So you literally never say no when you DM?

Are you retarded or just trolling

>>54021877
> them voting 4-to-1 for option A isn't a dictatorship
Bzzzt. Wrong. It is a dictatorship. That's a textbook case of tyranny of the majority.

>>54007948
>"Guys, I completely wrote myself into a corner and I have idea where to go from here."

>>54021881
When I say no, I say no with rationale. This: >>54021877
and this: >>54021303
is not rationale.

>>54021877
Again, that's a fucking dictatorship. If you are not allowed to have an opinion, or you are censored (in this case, your actions are censored), then you are under a dictatorship. It is not what DnD is about, the spirit of the game is to let players take actions and then the GM deals with their actions with consequences.

You never go "No, because I don't like it" , "no, because here we run a 'democracy' and nobody likes you so we all vote against you". That's literal tyranny and not the way to play the game.

>>54021899
"Dictatorship" does not mean what you think it means
"Tyranny of the majority" does not mean what you think it means
At this point I'm not even sure you know what "textbook" even means

>>54021861
Fuck, I forgot to reply to you. Just kill yourself, I don't give a fuck, if you don't want to attack me then fuck off m8. I'm fighting for the greater good here.

>>54021899
>buzzwords: the post

>>54021949
Learn what "dictatorship" means before returning to this discussion

>>54021956
Why do you feel the need to reply to shit you don't know ANYTHING about?

>Tyranny of the majority involves a scenario in which decisions made by a majority place its interests above those of an individual or minority group, constituting active oppression comparable to that of a tyrant or despot
>Dictatorship: absolute authority in any sphere.
Read a fucking book nigger, stop showing how much of an ignorant piece of shit you are. Libraries are free.

>>54020484
Now have your more merciful players explain to the widow that they had a change to stop the vampire that killed her husband first.. Any blood on her hands washes of onto theirs

>>54021998
How about you learn it retard? I LITERALLY lived in a dictatorship. Fuck your dictator mindset, you should be hanged.

>>54022000
Waaaaaaaaah cry more baby

>>54022021
fucking lol
maybe that's why you're such a dumb cunt

>>54021949
Limiting free reign of a person who wrecks fun for everyone who agreed to play together for the sake fun is not dictatorship. Same with every other group undertaking where someone causes trouble and has to be managed. RPG sessions and most other group activities do need certain ground rules of courtesy and cooperation and if someone is too ignorant, stupid or malicious to go with them, they should be cut off.
Also, I like to visit /pol/ but I hate it when /pol/ visits /tg/. Leave your shit back at your board instead of derailing the whole thread.

>>54022016
Read the thread.

>>54022021
> You should be hanged for saying things I don't like.
> No, you're the dictator!

>>54021971
> if you don't want to attack me then fuck off m8
So you admit you're literally here to cause shit and exchange insults with people? That's not fighting for greater good, that's being a shitlord in the thread on my chinese cartoons imageboard.

>>54022021
You didn't live under a dictatorship.

>>54022037
Said the guy that doesn't know words he should have learned in fucking middleschool. Yeah go back to memespouting, its the only thing you can do right.

>>54022044
>literally vouching for limiting human rights
Holy fuck. Fun is a subjective thing, you cannot just rule over people based on a subjective level. Stalin, please stop this shit. The paladin that killed the vampire wasn't ignorant, stupid, or malicious. He was doing what the paladin and any person with any brains would do. If you enjoy /pol/ just stay the fuck there.

Take your dictatorship mindset with you to /pol/, and stay the fuck there. Not surprised a piece of shit /pol/ster is a fucking Stalinist.

>>54022058
Kill yourself.

>>54022021
>>54022000
Hey, guys. We're not fucking running a country, we're playing a game. A group game. One guy does not get to ruin everything for everyone else. Shut up

>>54022107
But apparently kicking that guy out is a dictatorship. Haven't you been reading the thread, anon?

>>54022103
I didn't? Thanks a lot for letting my know my past 30 years have been an illusion!

You are so fucking clever.

>>54022107
When you play a game like you run a country, and you take your game into the trash for the same reasons people run a country into the trash. Then yes, we should analyze what you do that is fucking wrong.

Also, a country is a group 'game' too.
>One guy does not get to ruin everything for everyone else
So its okay when the GM does it? Fucking maoposters

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>>54021784
>Democracy is just two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

>>54011249
People have survived crazier, like a literal metal spike from a railroad track going through their chin and through their brain.

>>54022105
>WAAAAAH I CAN'T RUIN MY D&D GAME YOU'RE VIOLATING MY HUMAN RIGHTS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

fucking lol

>>54022133
Name the country and post an image of your passport.
Oh, except you can't because by "dictatorship" you meant your parents' household.

>>54022133
>my past 30 years have been an illusion!
you're probably not even 20 yet

>>54022133
Oh. You're literally retarded. Okay, well, nice talking to you

>>54022141
People botch suicides every day by aiming at the same angle as Gage's railroad spike, but I'd wager the majority of gunshots in anger come from either on the level or from higher elevation.

>>54022152
>human rights don't matter
Hi Chavez.

>>54022164
>>54022174
If I'm not even 20 then how do you explain that you are ignorant about this whole subject? You didn't even know what the word dictator meant.

You guys do realize that the soviet union fell in the early 90s right? You guys do realize Chavez died in 2013? You guys do realize Pinochet stepped down in early 90s right?

You people think you are so fucking clever with your meaningless insults, living in your American lives thinking the whole world always lived like yours. You are a fucking disgrace of human evolution.

>>54022223
Name your country and post your passport.

>>54022103
>You didn't live under a dictatorship.
Sure he did.
I can't believe you guys haven't figured it out yet.
Clearly, he suffers from an impairment where he replaces words with "dictatorship", like Smurfs do with "smurf".
I suspect the "dictatorship" he lived under, we would call "powerlines".

>>54022223
Oooh, you finally Googled some dictator names other than Hitler, Stalin, and Mao! I'm so proud of you anon.

>>54022139
He is fucking right, literally every democracy give you choices, and both choices are the same coin with switches sides.

>>54022232
Not necessary, also what kind of moron do you take me from that I would post my passport, a traceable photo, or anything related to my name? Are you fucking insane?

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>>54022223
>complains about American lack of perspective
>believes "fun" is a human right

>>54022240
He apparently thinks that any system where people aren't allowed to do whatever they want is a dictatorship. So by his definition pretty much any human society on the planet, current or historical, is a dictatorship.

>>54022262
4chan automatically removes metadata from images. Post your country and the cover of your passport.

>>54022248
Just because YOU have to google names doesn't mean I have to. Chavez wasn't relevant because he was elected, and then stole the power for himself. Up until now there was no case where I would mention him, until you decided to insult human rights. Chavez didn't give a shit about human rights.

>>54022290
>until you decided to insult human rights
show us on the doll where the good DM told you 'no'

>>54022290
"I can do whatever I want and no one can stop me" isn't a human right.

>>54022289
You sure convinced me! Dumbass. I gave you 3 countries, I'm from one of those. Pick whatever you like, we all lived similarly.

>>54022304
Right here:>>54021303
When this chucklenigger decided to say this
>But honestly it doesn't matter whether the decision is stupid or not. Your decision can be the most brilliant shit ever, if the other players don't like it one bit, you're not doing it at my table.
It triggered my childhood hard.

>>54022328
Post the specific one and prove that you were ever a citizen.

>>54022105
First, you need to learn to not abuse strawman fallacy, it makes you seem retarded. Second, you need to learn a bit more about /pol/ since it went completely over your head why I told you to leave it back there as yes, it's you going crazy with politics here. Third, you need to manage your idiocy and stop assuming things about people. Fourth, understand that "dictatorship" is a good label to throw around but in a society of individuals with different opinions and attitudes, certain limits and rules have to be introduced so things will work out.
People gathered to play a session. While the paladin could be managed differently, to say that them having an issue with the guy and his actions and doing something about it for the sake of preserving enjoyment of the game for the majority is dictatorship strains the boundaries in which the term was meant to be used. The guy has a right to drop them and move on and so do they. Voting by majority you can label that dictatorship as well but it still one of the best, time-tested and opposing tyranny way of conflict-solving.

Fun is subjective, sure, but agreements, even unwritten in regards to what kind of fun people gathered up to seek still stand. If someone's idea of fun is incompatible, it has to be addressed otherwise no one will have fun. It wouldn't be a problem if fun of the paladin player wouldn't affect others - they could let him do his thing then - but it wasn't the case.

I also lived under dictatorship when very young. It was pretty horrible but to compare that to some RPG session where the party cuts off the guy who is just not compatible with them is ridiculous and makes you look like an edgy college grad trying to push some agenda.

Sort yourself out, anon.

>>54022328
Why should you be allowed to force whatever you want onto the other people at the table? That sounds an awful lot like what a dictator would want.

>>54022328
>It triggered my childhood hard.
Alright, so you're mad that you can't childishly ruin the game for everyone else playing. Glad that's settled. Bye now!

>>54022321
It actually is, unless you break the law.

>>54022341
Like I say, take whatever you want. You don't command me, you are not my ruler anymore. We are free people. If you think commanding me you will get anything from me, you have been understanding the wrong message here.

>>54022352
Yeah, which is why I'm arguing AGAINST that. The GM should not force players to cope to his game just because he doesn't like a player.

>>54022133
>So its okay when the GM does it? Fucking maoposters
No, it's ot okay when GM does it but GM didn't do it. GM acted in interest of majority of the people in the group. In fact, of all people except that one guy who was causing problems.

>>54022370
>The GM should not force players to cope to his game just because he doesn't like a player
That's the opposite of what happened though

>>54022359
Good bye, I hope you read some books and stop being an ignorant fuck!

>>54022374
GM did not act in the interest of the majority, the GM acted in the interest of his own feelings and his own view of how the story should play out. Then, and this is the problem, justify this by using tyranny of the majority to keep the paladin down and oppressed when he did what any paladin would do.

The only 'fact' here, is that you are okay with dictatorships when they are in your favor, and against them when they are not.

No dictatorship is ever good, no tyranny should ever be ignored.

>>54022045
> read
BBEG
ugh

>>54022414
>GM did not act in the interest of the majority
> justify this by using tyranny of the majority
:thinking:

why the fuck are you guys using politcal terms for a tabletop game.
they don't apply. how fucking autistic can you be?

>>54022438
Alex Jones decided to come shit all over the thread and it got really funny to watch him sperg

>>54022370
>It actually is, unless you break the law.
How do you think laws are made?

>>54022438
Because some idiot likes calling everything he doesn't like a dictatorship. Even when it's just the players trying to agree on what sort of game they want.

>>54022395
It literally happened. The Paladin killed the evil character. The GM revived the character.

GM forcing his dick on the group

>>54022428
Maybe I should have used group instead of majority in the first one. As what I meant is that the GM ignored a group, which if the average group is 4 people, then he ignored 25% of the population and sent them to the Gulag. That's tyranny.

>>54021851
No, the rule he's talking about is a reduction in individual freedom, but not through dicatorship. Dictatorship would be one person overruling a player, this is everyone else overruling one player.


I'm not sure what it is technically, but it's not dictatorship.

>>54022467
>The GM revived the character.
The players minus one revived the character and you are illiterate.

>>54022464
They are made for the safety of the group to stop nutjobs like the GM here from fucking over a high number of the population of the group. And, this is the most important part, they are made with rationale and not feelings, unlike what is going on here, fun is a feeling.

How do you think they are made?

>>54022467
>the GM ignored a group, which if the average group is 4 people, then he ignored 25% of the population and sent them to the Gulag
I can't take it anymore, this is too funny
How long are you going to keep this up?

>>54022467
> GM forcing his dick on the group
No it wasn't.
All but one player didn't want to kill an NPC.
One player did.
That one player tried to force everyone else to go along with what he wanted.
GM just sided with all the others.

>>54022486
Except the rule he proposed in fact specifically stops a single player from fucking over a high number of the population of the group, while being impossible to abuse towards fucking over a high number of the population of the group because it specifically requires unanimity minus one.

>>54022477
>I'm not sure what it is technically, but it's not dictatorship.
It's literally democracy

>the GM here from fucking over a high number of the population of the group
It was literally one person getting overruled by EVERYONE ELSE at the table

>>54022483
The GM is the one that sent them there, come on you know how this works.

>>54022489
Kill yourself Mao.

>>54022494
Again, that's 25%, you can't ignore a player. DnD is a group game, if you can't make a group decision then don't make one. That one player was in the right to make his decision. Under a logical way of thinking, he did nothing wrong, and thus, he should not be punished for it.

The GM, on the other hand, made a choice based on autism, much like Castro.

>>54022544
The GM doesn't send anyone anywhere because the players control their own characters.

>>54021260
It may be the hardest, but it's also the smallest

>>54022515
Tyranny of the majority is the opposite of what you are describing. Stop oppressing minorities.

You would be in the right if the Paladin was malicious, he wasn't malicious, he wasn't stupid, he wasn't autistic. He was just doing his job.

>>54021648
>I was talking about the other thing
Well good thing I'm telepathic!

Sometimes wrestling in the medium itself is just not possible. If the PCs are doing negotiations with the king of a hostile nation and That Guy decides to blast the king with a flashy spell, the negotiations are ruined even if the characters manage to stop him.

I can't understand what point you're trying to make with that nonsense glass analogy. That you should be able to act however you want in a game of pretend because you can do what you want in the real world? That's just retarded.

>It is my right to be able to literally impose my sense of what is fun on the other players even if they all dislike it, because my fun is right and everyone else's fun is badwrong and worthless and I know better
You're the dictator, anon. It's you. Sorry to burst your bubble.

>>54022565
>He was just doing his job
His job is ruining the game for everyone else?

>>54007948
"I've had better. No boots of speed for you."

>>54007948
"i wont be playing here anymore"

>>54022556
Not on Stalin's table. If you do that you get send straight to the Gulag. >>54021303

Come on, we are getting sidetracked here.

>>54022544
If you have one player out of four who is doing things to make the game less fun for everyone else because he insists that he has to have things his way, kicking him out of the group is a reasonable response. The group doesn't exist simply for one person's pleasure.

>>54022565
>he wasn't malicious, he wasn't stupid, he wasn't autistic
>constantly threatened, tortured and even, as I said before killed an innocent

>>54007948
Had to let one of the players' gf go because she brought too much drama to the table. In hindsight, this could have been handled better but I was younger, foolish and didn't know better.

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>>54008887
I'd kick you because I can't involve a character in a game who isn't there, and I can't base challenges or encounters around someone unreliable.

>>54022464
By dictators I bet

>>54022580
No, that was the GM's job when he decided you can revive characters in the setting, making death meaningless.
Also reviving a purified undead is hilarious in and by itself.

>>54022574
You don't know how to play pretend. Nuff said.

>>54022605
> implying threats, torture, and killing aren't part of a paladin's job
Good doesn't mean nice.

>>54022021
What dictator?

>>54022618
>that was the GM's job when he decided you can revive characters in the setting, making death meaningless
What the fuck kind of setting has vampires but no kind of revival/resurrection magic?

>>54022544
>Again, that's 25%, you can't ignore a player.
That's minority. Point was made that GM acted in interest of majority. In social setting, any group, there has to be a certain level of conformity if only to keep things moving forward. conflicts arise and while possibly this one was handled poorly, I also don't see any good alternative that would work if one player was adamant in doing his own shit against will of people playing with him. If we'll go with retarded and unfitting in the case terminology straight from /pol/, that one dude by trying to force his way against unwritten agreement of all parties, commits an act of terror and elected governing body, GM, has a duty to kick him out.

>>54022636
The one that's actually logical.

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>>54022625
>torturing and killing innocents are part of a paladin's job

>>54022645
> logical
> a setting that has fucking vampires
> but it can't have resurrection magic, because the would be illogical!

>>54022639
>If we'll go with retarded and unfitting
That's the thing here though, he wasn't that. He was just doing what he had to do.

I understand if you have 3 players and 1 murderhobo, the murderhobo has to go. But that scenario isn't what happened here.

>>54022650
No one was killing innocents here, just a vampire, and torture could be very important part of the paladin's job if he needs information to fight evil.

>>54022659
>because vampire exist then your soul should return to your body, and your body shouldn't decay!
Yeah, logic. You lack that.

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>>54022645
Show me the formal logic you used to derive "¬∃ revival or resurrection magic" from "∃ vampires".

>>54022689
>this magic thing means you can't have this other magic thing

>>54022664
> He was just doing what he had to do.
Except that, in-setting, he didn't have to do it. He simply resorted to killing because that's what he wanted to do, not what he needed to do. He was, in fact, a murderhobo in a group on non-murderhobos.

>>54022688
The vampire was explicitly described as innocent by the GM, who is in charge of the setting and decides what is true and what is not true, and torture is an evil act because it quantifiably does not work.

>>54022711
>It's magic! I ain't gonna explain shit!
How to spot a shit setting right away.

Magic has to follow a logical consistency with the world.

>>54022702
See >>54022689
If vampires exist, then resurrecting the person should be impossible.

>>54022717
>in-setting, he didn't have to do it
Then I hope in-setting. I hope the GM deleted the paladin class, since obviously its not needed anymore in the setting.

He resorted to killing because that's what you do to vampires, you kill them.

>>54022739
It does not follow. Show me where the contradiction arises between "∃ vampires" and "∃ revival or resurrection magic" such that only one statement can be true.

>>54022544
So all group decisions must be unanimous?

>>54022729
> The vampire was explicitly described as innocent by the GM
We have already seen that the GM is an idiot for introducing resurrection. Him inventing something as contradictory as an "innocent" vampire just shows that he's an even bigger idiot.

>>54022729
>was explicitly described as innocent by the GM
Absolutely irrelevant.

A vampire is not innocent. A human can be innocent. The NPC was no longer human, ergo, no longer innocent.

The GM can claim the rapist orc was innocent after he found Catholicism, but the orc just isn't innocent. The GM was retarded.

>>54022759
Yes? Why wouldn't group be unanimous. Have you ever gone to a trip with male friends? You don't abandon a guy just because he disagreed with you, and you don't force one guy from the group to go to places he doesn't want to go. The whole group decides to do things that everyone can participate.