>>54503379
Eldar not taller
Already shit.

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>>54503717
Lets say LIVII is a bit on the tall side at 6'8". It's within what is considered normal for a human growing up in a 1G environment, 1 Atmosphere of pressure at sea level with an adequate oxygen content and with adequate nutrition.

Taldeer was a supposed to be the Sreta's cutesy little princess to marry off to and eldar trader for the spreading of Uthuran Cartel's influence. It's easy to imagine her being a dainty, petite little thing by eldar woman standards. So maybe 6'2".

So what happened to the megarachnids in this AU?

In Vanilla it's pretty safe to assume they got nuked from orbit eventually and their planet renamed and colonized once the radiation died down but would the Nobledark Imperium do such a thing?

On the one hand the Giant Spiders can't be reasoned with and are incredibly hostile. That would put them on the extermination list alongside the Orks.

But they are also confined to a single world and so not a threat on the larger scale.

Would the Imperium nuke them on principle or refuse to on principle?

>>54504683
>>54504683
They're in Interex territory so the final decision on what to do with them would likely ultimately fall to the Interex. And we already know what the Interex did with them: confine them to a single planet and plaster that planet with warning signs.

>>54504767
Do we know anything about them beyond Big Spider?

Presumably they were capable of space flight at one point.

What should Inwit be like?

It's too easy to make igloo jokes and say ice-hives and nothing else.

Also how does Dorn get involved with the place, assuming he does, in this AU?

>>54506171
I'm not sure what to do with Inwit, but perhaps Dorn is the one who brought Inwit into the Imperium? Maybe they're habitually almost as blunt as he is.

This isn't that light a rewrite and some things referenced in the wiki documents have me scratching my head - not in a "why did you do this thing?" way, but in the more worrying, "what does this even mean?" way. For example,

>Black Crusades
Mentioned a couple of times but who leads them? Who does the fighting? Are these "Black Crusades" a dark mirror of the Imperium's Crusades?

>Isha
There are some references to a raid on Nurgle's realm but no real explanation of how. Or why, actually - the Man of Gold apparently doesn't know all that much about Chaos, so attacking the heart of their Realm on the basis of a theory seems... not very reasonable, to be honest.

I'm sure that some thought has gone into this project but at the moment the presentation is very confusing.

>>54508594
>Black Crusades
Are the same as canon, massive attacks by Chaos into the Imperium with the backing of all four Chaos gods.

>Isha
Eldar goddess of life/fertility, captured by Nurgle during the Fall of the Eldar and kept around as a test subject. In this AU, she was rescued by a strike team led by Oscar and Eldrad in an act that confirmed the alliance between man and eldar. This was one of the goals of the raid, the other being to rescue a goddess.

>>54508594
If you only read the 1d4chan main page you didn't actually find anything, the drafts page and notes page also on 1d4chan explains all of this.

Short answer, Malys leads the Crone Eldar, Fallen, and Lost and Damned on Black Crusades, which are just what the Imperium calls them. They are just like Abaddon's black crusades, massive rare coalitions of Chaos forces going marching from the Eye of Terror with a mission to fuck shit up, except they're usually more successful because they don't all gun for earth.

The raid on Nurgle's realm was proposed by Eldrad, and was the first big joint venture that united the Eldar and Men. It's the idea that started the whole allied Imperium setting, and the raid was the Eldar jumping on the Great Crusade train when they saw it picking up steam.

A major part of what enabled it was joint Chaos plans proposed by Tzeentch to benefit it, Slaanesh, and Khorne at Nurgle's expense. It was meant to be a no lose scenario where Tzeentch won no matter what and the greatest mortal heroes that were just getting on their feet after the Age of Strife were baited with false hope to their ultimate doom, so he sent his agent with info that let Eldrad get the raid into Nurgle's garden. None of the gods expected things would become a fourway clusterfuck even when three of them tried to cooperate, but it did, and even then the mortal heroes should have been fucked, but they managed to pull through, and shit has been going sideways for Chaos for the following 10000 years. Still, Tzeentch made it so those ten millennia would be varied instead of stagnant, so called it a win. There was a long greentext story with all this a few threads back.

>>54508962
>>54508992
>Black Crusades
So, are there Chaos Space Marines in these Black Crusades? Where did they come from? Why are there so many Lost & Damned? And why are the Black Crusades more successful, given that the Imperium in this universe is also more competent and thoughtful?

>Tzeentch never expected things
So much for a reasonable and light rewrites!

>a few threads back
I know that these alternate Heresies so far have done of two things. Either they've gone the Hektor Heresy route of alienating people by insisting on trying to get details up on the wiki so that newfags actually have a point of reference, or the Imperium Asunder route of "you must have read this many threads to understand what we're doing" so they curl up into circlejerks. But you could at least try a compromise, like preserving the key greentext on the wiki.

>>54508594
The Raid on Nurgle’s Mansion and its consequences is one of the big turning points in this AU, besides the xenophobia and assholishness not being at MAXIMUM levels.

> The scene is M30-ish? Mid-to-lateway through the Great Crusade. At this time Eldrad was nominally the leader of the Eldar people because he was the one yelling loudest during the Fall (and helped get a lot of people to safety). However, the Eldar are starting to go their separate ways now that the crisis is over, and they won’t listen to Eldrad anymore.
> Eldrad looks into the future. Sees the Eldar fragmenting into feuding Craftworlds that barely talk to each other and get picked off one by one, then picking fights with the rising power of humanity which just left both races crawling in the mud.
> This was unacceptable. Eldrad refused to see his people degenerate and die. Only people Eldar would listen to would be their gods, of whom only one was alive and relatively sane. The seers said rescuing Isha would be impossible. Eldrad never liked that word. Eldrad, being Eldrad, decides to kill two birds with one stone. So he goes looking for the leader of humanity.
> Steward, at this time, was encountering this weird pattern where the inhabitants of a world would occasionally be worshipping a pantheon of four gods and would inevitably refuse to get along peacefully with the Imperium and have to be destroyed.
> Knows it has something to do with the Warp, but doesn’t know exactly what. He knows the Warp is full of horrible phenomena, but it’s not like they’re sapient, intelligent, and quasi-organized, right?
> Then Horus and Sanguinius come upon the Interex who basically say “oh hell yes it is”.
> Horus and Sanguinius tell Steward, who comes to hear this personally. Shocked at the idea. Needs confirmation. So he goes to talk to the Eldar (which the Imperium had frigid, but existing diplomatic channels with).
> Just as planned.jpeg

>>54509415
> Eldrad says literally everything the Interex are saying is true. He spells out what Chaos is to the Steward and gives him details. Then he says “I know a way to blunt their power, want in?”
> Steward not sure. Eldrad tempts him by saying he will give them access to everything he knows to resist Chaos and create Chaos-resistant warriors (Grey Knights). Webway access may have been discussed here too.
> Eldrad needs way into Nurgle’s mansion, scours through all the old tomes
> At this time Tzeentch and his biggest follower, the Indigo Crow, thinks things are getting pretty stagnant in the Warp and wants to free Isha from Nurgle (but still keep her in Chaos hands) to use as a bargaining chip to manipulate the other three.
> Eldrad might have found a way eventually, but this seer comes along and shows Eldrad this nearly-forgotten back door that puts them within spitting distance of Nurgle’s Garden.
> Eldrad smells something fishy, but he’s desperate. He uses it.
> Imperium and Eldar use most powerful psykers to open a derelict webway gate on a desolate moon to enter Nurgle’s garden and rescue Isha from his mansion
> It sounds more impressive than it was. They used a backdoor that bypasses a lot of the daemon forces, and the plan was to basically use Steward as a walking Gellar Field.
> Still crazy difficult though. Assaulted by daemons that powered through the field constantly and many died despite both sides sending their best warriors (some of the primarchs and the Phoenix Lords to be). It’s just they weren’t insta-gibbed.
> Steward reaches Isha and Chaos shits itself. Tzeentch forces were trying to bog down reinforcements, now it’s a complete free for all between the four gods and the mortals.

>>54509427
> Steward gets Isha through the Webway portal
> Craftworlders (and by proxy the Exodites) and Imperium earn eternal hatred of the Chaos Gods
> Eldrad realizes he was set up and sets out to give Indigo Crow a Catachan salute
> Chaos goes from being disorganized to semi-organized like in the canon HH series with the purpose of fucking the upstart mortals over.

The raid ended up being one of those events that seemed unlikely to ever happen, but the fact that it did had massive consequences for history (like Alexander the Great steamrolling west Asia, or the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand).

>>54509189
>Threads and references
We try to keep the wiki updated as best we can, but all of our editors seem to have vanished into the Warp. Also we try to answer anyone's question when they ask.

There's also a colossal Notes page that has a good chunk of what is going on but doesn't have a formal codex entry yet.

>Tzeentch
Think of every trickster myth where the clever and savvy trickster tries to go for something big, but burn themselves in their hubris because they tried something too ambitious to handle.

>Black Crusades
CSM known as Fallen in this timeline. Majority come from Dark Angels, who in this timeline were the largest legion and had 60-75% go traitor because Lion delegated everything to his beloved (but paranoid, and resentful, and charismatic) brother Luther. So it's like two legions went rogue.

CSMs are rarer in general though. Champions of Chaos are the Crone World Eldar, the ones who survived Slaanesh's birth. Black Crusades are an issue because in addition to spiky super soldiers and daemons now you have immoral Wild Hunt-style fuckers after you. They're more successful in a sense in that Malys is just out to burn as much of the Imperium as she can (more like Joker to canon!Abbadon's Bane) and anything extra she can net (like wrecking Prospero, or destroying Panacea, or stealing Eldar archaeotech) are bonuses.

It's not so much "light" as "light-hearted". A 7.5 instead of a 10 on the grimdark scale, with the grim concentrated in particularly large blotches like the DAs, Badab, Altansar, etc. Anything more hopeful than canon, Hektor Heresy, or Asunder is light-hearted by default, even if its "you will probably be eaten by tyranids" instead of "you will be eaten by tyranids".

>>54509189
>So, are there Chaos Space Marines
Yes.
>Where did they come from
Most of them fell during the War of the Beast, which had added Chaos dickery this time around.
>Why are the Black Crusades more successful
Slaanesh didn't eat *all* of the Eldar this time around, so now there are a few trillion Chaos Eldar lying around. They're like the Dark Eldar, except more so.
>Like preserve the key greentext on the wiki
We do. Everything tends to get dumped in the 'drafts' and 'notes' pages, though.

>>54504683
>>54504767
Since Urisarach is technically an Interex world, the Imperium might say "Alright, you want to play zookeeper with the giant spiders, you go be stupid. But make no mistake, if this becomes an issue we will be getting involved directly".

>>54505016
They have a lot of weird organic technology. "Trees" which they used for weather control and to block radio communications. Either some kind of caste system or genetic engineering that produced flying Megarachnids that could secrete cement. In Horus Rising the Megarachnids were impaling Space Marine corpses on the tree towers to feed the flying ones.

Mostly used natural weapons (though that could be because the Interex took their guns and materials needed to make them). Eyeless, communicated through clicking noises (echolocation?)

And we know they're not tyranids, because they have eight legs instead of six.

I'd repost the Indigo Crow/Garden Raid greentext but don't know where it is in the archive, the 1d4chan page only has links up to thread 26

>>54509739

Go to the archive, the last Nobledark thread should be just a few from the top. Click the Nobledark tag and scroll down on that page, all the Nobledark Imperium threads are there.

>>54509724
I like the idea that they could be "garden variety" local pseudo tyranids, like how we've referred to Tyranids themselves as "mere" intergalactic predator superorganisms, stalking in the new environment they've migrated to. Megarachnids and various other horrible hive/synapse-based sapient bio-hate-machines that are native to the galaxy are the funnel spiders, hornets, and fire ants to the Tyranids' wave of locust, so reduced in scale they don't read as the same sort of threat, but ultimately similar in nature. Really the Tyranids just seem to be a large ecosystem of psychic bugs adapted to space travel and to control by a warp-mind, the warp gods of the megarachnids and other buggy monsters of the milky way are just paltry in comparison, and dont matter. Part of that is because the psychic bugs of the galaxy are eclipsed by higher orders of psychic life, and corresponding gods. Psychic reptiles and mammals and reptile and mammal gods, and psychic fungus-men too and fungus-man gods.

>>54509415
>the Eldar (which the Imperium had frigid, but existing diplomatic channels with).
This is another turning point. The Eldar Empire enslaved countless human worlds during the Dark Age of Technology. They were even mucking around in the Solar System. Why is the nascent Imperium just frosty with them rather than reasonably pissed off? At the very least, the Eldar owe substantial reparations - probably more than the Craftworlds can afford - to humanity to show their good will.

>>54509427
> At this time Tzeentch and his biggest follower, the Indigo Crow, thinks things are getting pretty stagnant in the Warp and wants to free Isha from Nurgle (but still keep her in Chaos hands) to use as a bargaining chip to manipulate the other three.
Another turning point. In the OU, the period of the Great Crusade is a time when the Primordial Truth is deeply threatened by the rise of humanity. Why isn't this the case in the AU? The Steward seems to be every bit as capable when it comes to ruining the machinations of Chaos. Is Chaos just Dumb in this timeline?

>>54509612
>Think of every trickster myth where the clever and savvy trickster tries to go for something big, but burn themselves in their hubris because they tried something too ambitious to handle.
This sounds a lot like "Chaos is Stupid".

>>54509981
In order: first, Oscar doesn't have the same history with the Eldar that the canon Emperor had. He wasn't around during the Dark Age of Technology, he was only unsealed from his tube at the very end of the Age of Strife, he just didn't see all of the atrocities the Eldar Empire committed. Besides which, the Craftworlds themselves committed no or very few atrocities, responsibility lies with the Eldar Empire, which is now gone and was succeeded by the Dark Eldar and Chaos Eldar. Good luck demanding reparations from them; maybe they'll laugh themselves to death.

Second; again, I think this is mainly because of Oscar's relative lack of history compared to the God-Emperor. Canon Emps had been opposing Chaos from the shadows for thousands of years before he founded the Imperium; he was known to the Gods. Oscar was a "literally who" to them up until he managed to succeed in the Raid; it was only after that that the Chaos Gods started taking Oscar seriously as an adversary.

Third; got us there. I will say I don't think it's out of character for Chaos to be stupid. They must all remain true to their own natures, even when that's self-destructive.

>>54509981
>Eldar Empire enslaved countless human worlds during the Dark Age of Technology
There are direct descendants of the Eldar Empire that still call themselves that, live in the Eye of Terror, and are as bad if not worse than they were before the fall. The Craftworlders are much more repentant and less aloof because the self-styled "legitimate Eldar Empire" put them on the ok-to-rape list for leaving the murder orgy and thinking the fall wasn't the best thing ever. There were Dark Eldar fucking around on earth during the unification, and this distinction was made clear to Oscar, and even the Dark Eldar think the Crone Eldar are fucked up.

>In the OU, the period of the Great Crusade is a time when the Primordial Truth is deeply threatened by the rise of humanity. Why isn't this the case in the AU?
The Raid happens shortly after the unification of Sol, in the first sphere of major reclamation, and is as much a punch in the fucking teeth as the OU creation of the primarchs was an implied threat. In the AU the primarchs are all more or less normally conceived commanders and statesmen, and so they never really caught the gods' attention.

Also, Slaanesh is obsessed with playing with its toys (the remains of the Eldar Empire) in the Eye of Terror and building its perfect kingdom of pleasure, Khorne is supremely arrogant and had declared himself "BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY" after the War in Heaven, and was seeking a worthy foe to curbstomp, Nurgle was settling in for the long haul with his Waifu (Isha) because he predicted the galaxy falling into a long slow death spiral like the OU, and Tzeentch was looking for an angle to prevent that same long, predictable stagnation-unto-death and more focused on playing the Great Game than the consequences of its plotting.

>>54510241
>Dark Eldar and Chaos Eldar. Good luck demanding reparations from them; maybe they'll laugh themselves to death.
>reparations
>paid in rape-bucks
>exchangeable for one unmentionable violation per banknote
>Vect says he and Malys both owe Oscar several trillion

>>54509981
The reason relations weren't worse is that no one, including most of the eldar, even remembers what happened during the Dark Age of Technology. Oscar never lived through the worst of the Age of Strife, so he never got his xenophobia on. Pre-raid, the Imperium actually regarded the eldar better than a lot of other xenos species because they were willing to talk instead of just shooting on sight and were pretty much willing to leave you alone as long as you did the same. That puts them leagues beyond the likes of the Laer or the Nephilim.

The issue of records was actually touched on with the squats. The space dorfs, who do keep pretty records of the DaoT, remember when the eldar decided to ignore their mutual protection pact to get high when the squats were drowning in orks and are pretty pissed off about it. The squats demand an apology and some form of reparations. The Craftworlders claim they're all dindu nothins who represent the good parts of the Eldar empire (and are too proud to apologize). The squats ain't buying it.

Relations during the DaoT weren't all one-sided either, Eldrad tooled around the Great and Bountiful Human Empire when he was the eldar equivalent of a teenager. The eldar weren't seen by the other races so much the boogeyman of the galaxy as that advanced race that despite having the technology to conquer the galaxy preferred to look inward and mostly stay isolated in their own little empire. There were plenty of wars, which got worse the closer you get to the Age of Strife, but they tended to remain small because the Eldar wanted to raid, not get shot and humanity and the other races didn't have the logistics to conquer the Old Empire.

Oscar doesn't have the raw power canon Emperor does (at least not in M30), and he was making a lot of this up on the fly instead of having some master plan. The Raid is the moment where Oscar and the rest went from "interesting relics and toys" to "upstarts to be destroyed for the Primordial Truth"

I always love it when these AUs pop up. I'm gonna get to reading and hopefully I can contribute.

>>54509970
Or they could actually have been 'Nids a at some point in the past, got stranded, went feral and are now incompatible with the rest of the Hive.

Although originating from the same common ancestor in the Eldar Empire, each of its three offshoots have developed in wildly different ways. This applies as well to the philosophy and technology of their armored vehicles.

The Craftworld Eldar military forces are descended from, essentially, civic militia. Thus, their war machines were optimized for ease of construction, ease of maintenance, and ease of piloting; war machines a part-time non-professional volunteer force could use and maintain. The aftermath of the Fall, when the survivors were thrown back onto highly limited resources and the whole population had to be mobilized to survive, only reinforced this paradigm. 10,000 years of Imperium have loosened it; the number of super-heavy vehicles in the Craftworld arsenal has increased both in absolute number and proportion as more resources become available. Likewise, more specialist designs for specific battlefield roles have become commonplace as the need for every tank to potentially fill every role lessens. Still the typical Craftworld grav-tank remains a stripped-down (in terms of mechanical complexity, not necessarily weight) generalist.

Dark Eldar vehicles have very little in common with either their contemporaries or the Elder Empire under the hood. Their abandonment of the psychic forced them to also abandon most of the typical Eldar technologies- wraithbone in particular. They had to recreate their vehicle technology from scratch. This is not actually the cause of their notorious fragility; that is a deliberate philosophical choice. Anyone slow and stupid enough to get hit at all deserves to die, or so the thinking goes. Agility, speed, firepower, more or less in that order; everything else can go hang. An excellent setup for a hit-and-run raider.

>>54513127
The forces of the Chaos Eldar, in contrast to the second-line defensive forces of the Craftworld Eldar and the pirate raiders of the Dark Eldar, are descended from the main military clades of the Elder Empire. They are meant to take and hold territory. They are heavy; often slower than Craftworld vehicles but much more durable. A great many walkers and hybrid grav/leg vehicles, faster and less affected by terrain than a pure leg vehicle while carrying more armor than most pure grav vehicles can manage. More insectile that the Craftworlders' preferred anthroform designs. More resources available for construction means more exotic weaponry, more energy shielding, more bizarre subsystems like regeneration, cloaking devices, teleportation. And that's before 10,000 years of Chaos exposure is factored in. Most armor fielded by the Chaos Eldar is a daemon engine of some description; ghastbone is an excellent host medium. The original classes of vehicle fielded by the Elder Empire have become something like taxons of animal life, branching into a hundred different descendant species. Each one uniquely terrible.

Thoughts?

>>54509189
>>54509612
To be fair, the AU did start as a much lighter rewrite, since the scope of things changed was much smaller. Obviously over the course of 32 threads lots of ideas have been added, but the basic principle remains: we want things to be at least recognizable to someone familiar with 40k instead of being completely new universes with Space Marines and Chaos ported in. To that end, we try to keep the OC steel donuts to a minimum; we still have the same aliens, same legions and Primarchs (though reinterpreted to fit the AU), and anything from canon that is not explicitly discussed or contradictory can be assumed to exist/have happened. The main exception would be the Chaos Eldar, since we needed more villains because relatively few SMs fell due to no Heresy. So not a "light" rewrite in absolute terms, but relatively light compared to some of the other AUs this board has produced.

And we are aware of the criticism that this AU is a bit Imperium centric and we've tried to address it by making other factions the focus of individual threads, but at the end of the day how much a faction gets fleshed out is based on what fluff gets written and right now most of it has been for the Imperium. We're pretty open to new contributors so we encourage people to write things up if they can make an improvement.

>>54512237
Always good to have new faces. The wiki is a mess right now but most of the things we've discussed have been posted there, so if you have the patience to sift through it you should be able to pick up a majority of the content.

>>54513132
It's a good summary of the tank styles of the 3 big Spess Elf militaries and meshes with the already fluff. needs to go in the Chaos Forces section.

>>54506171
It's mentioned, I think, in the Vanilla that they do have Ice-Hives but beyond that nothing else beyond small interstellar empire. Presumably in Vanilla it was heavily defended given that Dorn was head of it's armed forces if not outright leader and Dorn just loves building walls.

I can't remember if in Vanilla the Phalanx was of Inwit make but in this AU it is definitely not. But Phalanx was also not set out among the stars like the other 4 of the 5 Big Bastards but remained in Sol as a faithful guard dog.

When Dorn discovers Inwit it will therefore be in a lesser ship. I'm going to suggest Hammer of Terra due to the fact that it's an actual Battle Barge and it's the sort of name Dorn would give to his flag ship being the blunt old soldier that he was. Presumably in this AU it gets destroyed by Big Mek orks in the opening months of the War of The Beast rather than Iron Warriors.

We know it was a Survivor Civ level nation and if in Vanilla it had a primarch land and build the Gothic Death Star there then it would have been a substantial one. It would have been less than 500 worlds as Ultramar had 500 worlds and is regarded as the greatest of the Survivor Civs (Hubworlders had more worlds but they were not as good).

So it would have had a few hundred maybe? If it has even one hive world as it's capital then that means it woill have needed worlds that were agri-worlds or at least produced substantially more food than they were using. This means a level of specialization only available to Civs that not only have warp travel but reliable and economical warp travel.

They would not have had Navigators, Sol had a monopoly on them it seems. They would have been using Tau style shitty slow warp hops to get anywhere and presumably no FTL communication. This would limited the size of the Inwit Empire.

The Demiurg were the first non eldar/non-human xenos to join the Imperium in thanks for charging into an Armageddon War like Poland at Vienna.

We haven't really touched on them beyond that plus nomad traders.

It could be that their dislike of the eldar in general and Chaos Eldar in particular is born from their homeworld now being somewhere inside the Eye of Terror now.

Add to this that demiourgos is an old Greek word for craftsman. Also the Demiurge in Gnostic beliefs is a divine creator. Bentu'sin is the Tau name for the Demiurg and means 'wise-gifted ones'. Bentusi were a race in the Homeworld series, they were nomadic traders that were grafted into their ships. Both Homeworld and the first Dawn of War game were made by Relic Entertainment.

Add all that together and you have a race of nomadic supreme craftsmen that make excellent and wonderful things. They are low in numbers and it's possible that there is as many as only 1 of them per ship that would possibly put their overall population in the thousnads. They are grafted into their ships in body, mind and soul and operate their toys via their minds and interact with other people via robotic avatars.

Their god is/was a divine creator type being that they all try to imitate. I'm not saying it was Vaul but it was Vaul.

It is very possible that they were an ancient off-shoot of the eldar race from millions of years back where the old pre-uplift genes resurfaced and they sprang up differently. Less psychic for one thing but more emotionally stable. Nobody gets to see them in their ships so it's hard to say for sure.

Their ships are mostly super-bulk cargo haulers with small but highest grade workshops built in and enough fire power to defend them. As their ships are extensions of their own bodies and minds they become highly customized and no two are much alike.

Prince Yriel has a Demiurg First Mate on the Hoec's Grace but nobody can tell for sure if it is one or if it is just something that they made.

>>54514698
The demiurg are organized into Brotherhoods, with one Bastion-class vessel often home to one Brotherhood. That implies a lot more than just one Demiurg per ship.

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With Ultramar set up as it's own little personal Rome, now complete with the rebuilding of a new Legion in all but name, we could reintroduce this controversial fucker.

The whole "half-elder" thing is bullshit. He is full blooded elder, he's just a massive Ultraboo.

He is at least a very competent farseer even if he does demand that his title be Court Soothsayer because ultraboo. He is officially an independent advisor to Titus and Calgar before him.

It was partly his predictions and advice that got Acting CM Titus to start with the whole Legio Primaris project.

No that isn't Power Armour he's wearing, it's Carapace made to imitate Power Armour. He wears it sometimes for official photos and on parade days because he thinks it looks cool and he wants people to think he is in some way actually part of the chapter. Normally he wears a toga because ultraboo despite them going out of fashion a long time ago, coming back into fashion briefly 50 years ago and then quickly dying out again.

>>54516311
A brotherhood of Demiurg could be one Demiurg bound to their ship and a small number of apprentices/youngsters who aren't old enough to have their own ship-body yet.

The First Mate on Hoec's Grace could have been one that ran away due to the freakish aversion to being physically grafted into a living mountain of machinery.

>>54514698
>their homeworld now being somewhere inside the Eye of Terror now.
only thing that contradicts previous stuff, their homeworld is well outside of the Eye of Terror and they were sequestered on it until Perturabo accidentally gave them a lift during the great crusade. Their god, Quah, who had been with them since the Old Ones uplifted them, was killed in the fall of the Eldar Empire, and his corpse lies on that world as a massive, shared hallucination.

>>54517529
You're thinking of the Hrud. Different species.

A bit on the Titus part:

Maybe the entire Space Marine and Hiveworld Graia cluster fuck went a bit differently.

Titus wasnt a Captain yet. He was one of the two candidates chosen for that position (the other being Leanndros, or someone else) and Chapter Master Calgar went along as a... Supervisor, to see whom would pass the test. (Well, orginally he was to go to Graia himself, but he took the chance.)

They quickly went through most of the shit in game, with Calgar slightly sitting back as Titus and Leanndros do their waving contest. Doesn't get too hyped, as to leave the two a few to kill. Titus would be Titus, doing stunts that would get him some serious berations from Calgar and Leanndros, but he brought results. Leanndros be the fuck he was, and always complain about Titus' 'recklessness'. Titus got a bit too close to Mira for the old man's comfort.

Things went well, they steam-rolled everything just as in game (Again, CALGAR!!!) and went to rescue the Lord Inq Drogan. It was a trap, even more than in game. Nemeroth's plan was to make a Demon World, and now the Ultramarine's Chapter Master is here? Fuck (yes!) Calgar got Sidonis'ed. But thanks to his 3+ save he managed to only wound up into a coma. Chose Titus as his successor. Leanndros got butthurt, saying that Titus' fault what got Calgar coma'ed, and now got promoted?! Surely, Chaos was at play - maybe the possessed blade did something to Chapter Master? How could he do this otherwise?

Then Titus went and killed Nemeroth, etc etc. Went back to Ultramar with Calgar's half-dead body in tow. After they went home, rumors spread. A schism began within the Ultramarines, with Titus on one end and Leanndros on the other.

Tl;dr Titus got promoted by a Sidonus'ed Calgar. Leanndros got butthurt.

>>54518412
Is good.

>>54517909
oh, I guess so

>>54514698
The Mechanicus must have a gigantic collective girlboner for them.

Yes, girlboner. They're fully aware they wouldn't be the man in that relationship.

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>>54519024
To them yes, but the girlboner would also be shameful boner.

In many ways the Demiurg are all that they dream to be. Free and unbound each a law unto themselves but still acting decently, communion and connection to the Machine as deep and intertwined as anything the Mechnaicus could achieve in this age, freed from the limitations of the flesh all but totally but still retaining a natural intellect and not falling to the sin of the Silica Animus and add to that craftsmen almost without peer.

But they are godless and they are heathens. They had a god, some primitive idol of a blacksmiths forge grown with age to gross proportion, but now he is dead and they are alone. There are some similarities with the Vaul deity of the pagan eldar, maybe there is a connection of cultural contamination but what of it? That's just exchanging one type of weakness for another. The Mechanicus have a god, the great and everlasting Omnissiah and they feel his love and his strength within him always Laughing_Mag'ladroth.holo.

The hate that they look up to the Demiurg and they hate that the Demiurg are what they want to be but have forsaken everything that they are.

As for the Demiurg, they hold no ill will to Mars or it's priests or it's reject priests. Mostly because they don't have to interact with them very much.

>>54503958
It would be pretty funny for humans in general to be in awe of the famous space elf goddess of battle...But among the rest of the eldar, there is a minor joke about her Napoleon complex. Which few would repeat to her face, she is still a highly placed member of the Imperial military. But her brother Ronahn loooooves pushing her buttons.

>>54516394
I can already hear the exaggerated Italian "comedy" accent.

>>54516394
I had actually been thinking about this, but coming from the other direction with Tigurius. Tigurius isn’t a half-eldar by any means. Instead, he is what you get when you raise a psyker human in an Eldar society.

Approximately 300.M41, an eldar enclave world on the eastern fringe was completely overrun by orks. This world was an outpost of Craftworld Iyanden, who headed up the Imperial counter-attack to reclaim the world. Among those part of the force was one young eldar woman, who was particularly horrified by the situation as all of her living family were living on that enclave world.

Once the orks were dealt with, the focus of the group changed from reclaiming the planet to finding survivors and burying the dead. The eldar woman in particular was frantic as she looked for survivors, searching through the ashes for any sign of her family. Eventually, she noticed a strong psychic signature coming from beneath a fallen wall. Lifting the wall, the woman hoped to find a member of her missing family. But what she found disappointed her.

It was a human baby, one who had been protected from the carnage that had befallen his world by being hidden by a large slab of rubble. The baby's psychic signature was powerful enough that she had mistaken him for an eldar infant, but sadly he was not a member of her missing family. The eldar continued to search, but she was unable to find any trace of either her family or the baby's, living or dead. Both of them were alone in the universe, with no one else to depend on, so she did the only thing she could. She the baby with her back to Iyanden and adopted him as her son.

>>54521323
Tigurius was brought up like an eldar child, learning about discipline and self-control from an early age. Indeed, his lessons were probably stricter than most eldar children, in order to keep the notoriously sloppy self-control of a human psyker from affecting anything on the Craftworld. However, it soon became clear that Tigurius could not remain on Craftworld Iyanden. He was already beginning to reach maturity, whereas his friends would remain “children” for years more. He could not function on the Path system, as he had neither the longevity nor the discipline to see a Path to its conclusion. Tigurius could not stay with the Eldar, he had to go back to his own people. And so, a bereaved mother drew her adoptive son close one last time before sending him out into the galaxy.

Tigurius eventually gravitated to the Space Marines, whose sense of discipline he saw as the closest thing he could get to the Paths of his old home. The Ultramarines were the one of the nearest chapters, and Tigurius saw their blue and gold color scheme (the same as his old home of Iyanden) as a sign that he was meant to be there.

Although Tigurius was a powerful psyker, what really made him stand out from other Librarians was his self-control. Growing up in a society where one learned to control their emotions as soon as they could speak, Tigurius had learned a degree of finesse that would take other Librarians decades to master. Whereas among the eldar he was sloppy, among Space Marines he was a prodigy. This discipline is what allowed Tigurius to be one of the few beings to make psychic contact with the tyranid Hive Mind and live to tell the tale. He didn't manage to hurt the Hive Mind, but he managed to look upon its visage without going insane and get the *I HUNGER* message (one of several people to do so). Tigurius may be regarded by his fellow Ultramarines as introverted and emotionally closed off, but damn if he isn’t one of the best psykers they’ve ever had.

>>54521345
Tigurius being raised among the eldar is also supposed to be an explanation as to how the Ultramarines got a psyker that is so damn powerful, as well as a nod towards a certain retconned Ultramarine. It’s been mentioned previously that one of the reasons the eldar are such good psykers is not just raw power but because they’ve had thousands of years to practice (which is also why seers also tend to be older individuals). The only way to get to a comparable level in humans is to put them through training from hell, which is what the Grey Knights do. Tigurius spent his entire childhood in an environment tailored to teach control and refinement over psychic powers, not to mention being strong enough to be mistaken for an eldar child. He had a lot of potential, but it took seven hundred years of experience before he got good, and even then a Grey Knight or farseer would probably flatten him. Also he has trouble getting people, being used to insular and stoic eldar culture.

In terms of why the eldar woman adopted the human child, note that her family had just been wiped out, and having a child to take care of kept her from dwelling on it. Tigurius was as much a coping mechanism as a regular adoption. For the woman, it was either raise the child or go into one of those self-destructive grief spirals the Eldar are at risk for. Also note the whole idea of Tigurius having to “go back to live with his own people”. While a noble sentiment, it is still a little derogatory, and shows how in some ways the eldar have trouble “getting” the other races.

>>54518412
>>54518687
Calgar got put in a coma by the Swarmlord. Could be that it was the second company who got sent to fix the Graia fiasco. Titus wasn't a captain yet, and neither was Cato Sicarius. Titus was A veteran member, but Leandros was senior to him, and didn't like his manner of freestyling rather than going by the book.

Captain, however, saw that Titus was flexible and got results. Captain got himself killed trying to fight Nemeroth, and named Titus his successor over Leandros based on merit.

Leandros got butthurt, thinking the possessed blade must have done something to the Chapter Master (Titus' warp resistance didn't help). So when they got back to Macragge Leandros started complaining about it.

This meant that when Titus started doing things that made the other captains raise their eyebrows, Titus had a ready made hateclub who was already suspicious of him and all too willing to fan the flames and spread rumors.

Titus delendo est.

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>>54521364
This a far superior explanation.

Call me soppy but I hope he Captain Carrot style writes home often about his adventures among the humans.

Bonus points if he marries a Fenrisian.

>>54514698
>>54517033
>>54519024
>>54520142
There was a comment in an interview with some person at GW about what the demiurg look like. They said they are quasi-reptilian looking, with stone-like skin and crystalline growths instead of hair. A lot of fanlore has them as silicon based. So it might be that adding cybernetics to them is a lot easier than for squishy carbonites that have to have some kind of interface.

The difference in opinion between some Demiurg might be that while some see no problems with cybernetics, they see cybering yourself up so much you can't detach from the ship as overkill.

>>54521963
If it wasn't mentioned in any of the actual published lore then it's not in the lore.

Do we want it in the Nobledarkness as silicon lizards or as cyber space dorfs?

>>54523815
I'd say silicon lizards, to limit the overlap with the Squats.

>>54523883
Did they give any indication as to how big the stone lizards were?

Also it is probable then that Prince Yriel's first mate is something that the Demiurg made rather than a demiurg itself.

>>54524059
Perhaps it's a Demiurg heavily modified to interface with an Eldar ship instead of their normal cybernetics?

>>54526514
wraithbone cybernetics ahoy

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The Imperium has something of a contradictory relationship with its Hives.
On the one hand, the Hive is the ultimate symbol of civilization. Indeed, the word civilization itself comes from an ancient word for 'city', and hives are the ultimate cities. The ultimate expression of man's triumph over nature. Defended like nearly nothing else, cosseted behind meter-thick adamantium walls, void shields fit for a battleship, anti-orbital weapon silos also fit for a battleship, PDF forces numbering in the tens of millions. Often nearly autarkic, immense farm-terraces, fusion reactors good for thousands of years, mines stretching out like roots clear down to the mantle. The Imperium in microcosm, enduring and ferociously spiky.

At the same time, they are also among the most ungovernable place in the Imperium. The actual architecture of a hive stops bearing any resemblance to the blueprints within decades. The population escapes any census. A hive is larger than nations; many of them are, in fact, divided into multiple independent states. Even a well-ordered and centralized hive may have dozens of microstates hidden away in the wainscoting. Many poorly-educated people in the depths of the hives never realize that there is anything more to the universe than one giant, endless hive.

Many, many, many people have remarked on this apparent dichotomy, that the greatest symbols of its might are often also where its control is weakest. Sometimes the Emperor has commented on this, and declared that there is no dichotomy. The Imperium does not depend on centralized control. It is the collective dream of its citizens, of collective security, of collective prosperity, of collective defiance of a universe that wishes them dead. The hives do not need censuses and blueprints to be part of the Imperium. They pay their tithes and send their children to die on distant battlefields without such things.

Because the Imperium does not demand that people kneel. It demands that they stand.

>>54526765
Would they even work on a non-eldar?

>>54529389
TBF the Imperium is at best a federation and more likely a confederation (other mebers being Mars, Atsartes homeworlds and lands/planets controlled by the ministorum)

>>54530922
This time around there is no ministorum and the Space Marines are a subdivision of the Imperial Army.

>>54521606

maybe this would sum it up better:

>Graia got WAAARHHHG'ed. Drogan called for the Ultramarines, then murdered/soul-raped by Nemeroth.
>Ultramarine Second Company deployed, Cpt. Sidonus deployed along with Veteran Titus and Leandros to field-test these two to find his (future) replacement.
>Titus was flexible, got results. Cpt. Sidonus got Nemeroth'ed, named Titus his successor over Leandros based on merit.
>Leandros got butthurt, thinking the possessed blade must have done something to the Chapter Master (Titus' warp resistance didn't help). So when they got back to Macragge Leandros started complaining about it.

>Titus did stunts that made other Cpt raises eyebrow/ dislike. Not helping is Leandros.

>Hivefleet Behemoth happened. Calgar got put in a coma, but also named Titus his successor over the whiny (but admittedly very badass) Cato Sicarius.
>Okay, once is a coincident; but TWICE? FHUCKING CHAOS PRICK!!! - Cato Sicarius and Leandros. Ultra-butthurt.

>Succession crisis between Cpt. of 1st Company Cato Sicarius and Cpt. of 2nd Company Titus. Titus had a ready made hateclub who was already suspicious of him and all too willing to fan the flames and spread rumors.
>Even after being tested for signs of corruption by Inq Thrax, Chapter Librarian Tigurius and the Emperor himself, the rumours and controversies about Titus refuses to subsides.

>>Wut now?
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Maybe Anthony versus Octavian?

>>54532535
Succession crisis would have to end with Titus as the Acting Chapter Master to keep the authority to make the Legio Primaris but with enough uncertainty that it is contested.

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>>54510570
Given that not all of the Starchild Prophesies have a good outcome it's not impossible that some of those notes might be in danger of being cashed in.

>>54529389

>Because the Imperium does not demand that people kneel. It demands that they stand.

This. This is the concept we should be basing on.

>>54532803
I thought it was that the succession crisis was just starting up, and that Titus' decision to make the Legio Primaris is what has basically won him a new round of critics. Its an open question as to whether things can be settled peacefully (which is at least on the table, since the Ultras aren't as power-hungry as most politicians are), or whether the Ultras will have an outright fight right when War in Heaven 2 hits and the tyranids come back for another go. It would be another 999.M41 thing.

>>54535763

Just a bit to turn the crisis up another notch and incorporate the SM storyline into more fitting with this AU: good men are rare and few in between, but good things would come to them, eventually.

>>54535492
I will admit, I got that from some of the Angron writefaggotry; specifically, his first meeting with the Emperor.

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>>54530922
If you go by TvTropes' definition, it started out as "The Federation" until as somebody in the past thread said it became the "The Hegemony". Where The Imperium will save the galaxy from Chaos and Tyrnids weather it wants to or not. Often using crisises to come in to save a civilization then offer to let them join the Imperium or use economic/military insensitive to lure them into turning the Imperium into a necessity.

>>54535852
I'd say that good men aren't rare in this AU. They just have differing opinions. The Imperium was set up so that man would rule man, not super men. Super soldiers serve, always have done and done so proudly.

When they rule they run the risk of turning into Huron Blackheart. All that is human within them is magnified and then trained to war. All of their hate and pride magnified to inhuman proportions.

Point is that many of the Ultramarine officers think that Titus is going to turn into Luther v2.0 with Franj replaced with Ultramar. Another camp are just wanting to have the rules, rules put there for good reason, to be obeyed. They point out that a good Chapter Master would discuss these proposals with the chapter council before taking them to the Senate as a matter of good form and that also Titus is only Acting CM until Calgar either gets up or dies.

With the expectation of the minority who genuinely are a cavalcade of turds and just want him to fail for their personal gain. Looking at you Leandros.

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SO in this AU should Cypher be and remain Dark Angel or is he something to do with the Alpha Legion?

>>54541043
He's shadowy, unification era Dark Angels, so he's essentially tied in to high level conspiracy shit even if he isn't actually connected to the Alpha Legion.

>>54538278
If by military insensitive you mean the offer of military support and protection in exchange for a yearly fee then yes.

Of course they don't have to join the Imperium. Nobodies forcing them to join. Of course, the Imperium doesn't have to stop them getting orked either because it has no obligation to protect anyone outside it's borders.

>>54535492
>>54537701
Glad you enjoyed the Angron stuff so far. If anyone is still waiting on it, it will come eventually, but I've hit a bit of a creative slump combined with not a whole lot of free time. Will write what I can.

A thing, about a battle between the Tau and the Imperium. Wound up way longer than I expected.

The Imperium and the Tau did not often clash directly, prior to integration. A few flare-ups in the centuries after first contact, before the borders were finalized and diplomatic channels became well-established. Such clashes are not well remembered; both sides were usually half-hearted about the fighting, and after Integration the busy propagandists of the Administratum made sure such conflicts were consigned to the dustbin of history.

A few battles refused to be erased quietly. One such was the battle of Gollopo.

The world Gollopo itself was a human world, settled in the Dark Age of Technology and forgotten in the Age of Strife. It was re-discovered almost simultaneously by both Tau and Imperium explorers. It was in the grey zone between the Tau and Imperium zones of control and near a strategic warp lane, meaning it was highly desirable to both sides. And- this is where the trouble really began- it was divided into nearly a hundred independent states, all of which had long and often nasty histories with each other.

Both sides sent diplomatic teams. The debate over which superpower to join immediately polarized Gollopo's politics. Everyone believed that a nation without a protector would be carved apart by the ones that did, resulting in a mad rush for advantage. Long-standing alliance blocks broke up over the question; ancient enemies uneasily found themselves on the same side. When Prunzik started leaning towards the Tau, its long-time enemy Francha immediately started soliciting the Imperium, only to switch positions towards the Tau when Prunzik started leaning towards the Imperium. When the Inland Empire declared for the Imperium, its subject colonies along the North Shore immediately invited in the Tau in a bid for independence.
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>>54547291
The Sokhmar and Lankhmar immediately launched genocidal campaigns against each other in a desperate bid to settle their thousand-year grudge before either could secure the assistance of a galactic military.

As the situation deteriorated, both diplomatic teams summoned military reinforcements. And then more. And then more.

Things finally boiled over in the Saarland. A near-impotent buffer state between Prunzik and Francha, both its parliament and its population were almost evenly divided between pro-Tau and pro-Imperial factions... which also corresponded with long-standing pro-Francha and pro-Prunzik factions. Street fighting broke out, which soon descended into guerrilla war, with both Prunzik and Francha supporting their chosen sides. First with money, then with guns, then with 'observers' and 'advisors'... Finally, Francha declared that the Saarland was a failed state and sent an expeditionary force across the border to restore order. Lord General Six Serpent ordered the Imperial Guard to secure the pro-Imperial sections of the Saarland three days later, and Shas'O Vaina moved his cadres to intercept.
The war was on.

The first clashes in the Saarland were dramatic, but ultimately inconclusive; the Imperial Guard was driven out of the Saarland by fast-moving Tau armor threatening to slice their columns into pieces, but Tau follow-up offensives were blocked by combined Prunzikan/Guard fortifications and careful deployment of the few Baneblades available.
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>>54547298
These would be the largest direct clashes of Tau and Imperial forces; any hope that the fighting could be confined to the Saarland died within days, as every nation on Gollopo plunged into war, every ancient grievance and modern ambition subsumed into the clash of galactic powers. (Although a few were not quite sure what side they were fighting on; the Federated Oskarrian States switched sides four times over the course of the war.) Guard and Fire Caste forces were divided among multiple theaters, fighting closely alongside the native armies.

At the beginning, the Imperium held the advantage. Although less advanced than the off-worlders, the Golloponi armies could not simply be ignored. The Imperium had proven more effective at recruiting the local nations; their status as fellow humans, greater degree of local autonomy, and art-deco meshed better with Golloponi pride and aesthetic sense than the Tau's alien-ness, more invasive policies, and smoothly curving ceramics.

However, this advantage of numbers proved hard to leverage. The Tau could simply move and concentrate faster, and seized the operational initiative early. They kept the Imperium reacting to rapid-fire series of feints, diversions, raids, and genuine offensives, too off-balance to launch their own offensives. Morale began to decline, especially among the Imperium's local allies. To Golloponi sensibilities, the Tau war machines were frighteningly alien and incomprehensible, and local regiments were often routed by even a single Tau skimmer unless backed up by the Guard, while Tau-aligned forces were inspired to greater heights of courage by the alien powers of their allies.
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>>54547312
As the war dragged on, the momentum began to swing in the other direction. The Imperial-aligned armies grew accustomed to facing down the Tau, and attrition began to take its toll. The Tau required spare parts and ammunition from a supply chain stretching all the way from the Tau Empire itself; with the low speed and relatively smaller size of Tau ships, they were simply unable to sustain the operational tempo they had set early on once their stockpiles were exhausted. On the other hand, the Golloponi early-industrial tech base required only minor upgrading to start supplying spares and ammunition for the Guard. And the Tech-priests accompanying the expedition were well-versed in the procedures for such upgrades.

While the Tau attempted to launch their own upgrade program, the Earth Caste engineers were less skilled in using limited resources; they knew how to make microchips, they knew how to train someone to make microchips, but they didn't know how to get to microchips starting from a coal-fired steel mill. The Mechanicus did.

By the middle of the second year, the Imperium was able to launch a grand offensive, rolling back previous Tau gains. Committing their remaining reserves, the Tau fought a series of holding actions, buying time to consolidate a series of defensive lines. It worked, and the offensive ground to a halt outside the core territories of the Tau alliance block.

With all room for subtlety gone, the war entered its bloodiest phase. The Tau did not have the reserves to launch any major offensives, especially once the Imperial block entrenched themselves in turn, but were able to shatter the spearheads of any offensive. Most of the dying was done by the Golloponi, as the Guard and Fire Caste husbanded their strength and looked for some decisive opportunity.

>>54547321
It never came. After three years and about twenty million deaths, the war was ended by a negotiated settlement. The nations that aligned themselves with the Imperium would become part of the Imperium; the nations that sided with the Tau would become part of the Tau Empire. Nations that had been split would either become neutral, their independence guaranteed by both sides, or be split into multiple nations, as determined by the locals themselves.

Most Tau-Imperium conflicts were prosecuted halfheartedly, neither side really wanting to fight one of the few other true civilizations among the stars. Gollopo was not. There has been some debate as to why, but ultimately it has been ascribed to the influence of the Golloponi themselves. They regarded the war as 'the End of History'; although things would certainly keep happening, the history of Gollopo and its nations would be subsumed without a trace into the history of the Imperium and/or the tau Empire. A footnote, remembered only as a place where these two giants once fought. Thus they fought with incredible fervor, as their last chance to make a mark on history as independent nations. That fervor came to 'infect' the off-world forces they were allied with, the two working increasingly close together as the war dragged on. They fought together, bled together, died together, and came to regard the war in the same light.
Or so the thinking goes.

Thoughts?

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>>54547332
Pretty good. I assume this Guard contingent on the planet was mostly human? Since Tau raids and feints might not end so well if there is integrated Eldar support in gravtanks and jetbikes chuckling at the Tau idea of "speed" and cutting them off before they can even start running. Not to mention the havoc Eldar could wreak on supply lines.

I'm not sure if it was intended this way, but I saw this as a more balanced take on potential Tau-Imperium conflicts compared to canon. What always bothered me about canon is how the writers seemed to disregard logistics and attrition for the Tau; they're supposed to have taken significant casualties in each of their expansion campaigns, but some how they're ready to go again at full strength in just a few years? This portrayal seemed much better: Tau dumping in significant resources and effort into the conflict, while for the Imperium it was a tiny proxy war that accidentally went hot, and was probably minor enough not to make it to the full attention of Segmentum Command. Good thing for the Tau too, the conflict would have been over a lot sooner if Astartes or, god forbid, Titans were deployed.

>>54547332
It's good. It shows that the road to peace has no been without trial.

It also give more reason for Farsight's dislike of the Imperium.

>>54548993
Yeah, mostly human. The Eldar don't really have a reason to care about the Tau, so I assume they wouldn't commit many, if any, forces to those theaters.

>>54547332
If it happened in one of the earlier spheres of expansion Gollopo might have gone full Imperium in the centuries since the Tau's various crisis, before the whole Tau Empire. It would have been a couple centuries removed, but it would also have been one of those things that would have driven the Tau and Tau aligned mad as it demonstrated the strength and seniority of the Imperium in the most undeniable way. The fact that Gollopo went to the Imperials two centuries or so down the line, when the AI rebellion was fucking up the first sphere of expansion, is something that's on Farsight's list of reasons humans suck.

>>54548797
I wonder what downtime socializing is like for assassins?

>>54550010
Their numbers are few, their services are never unsought and the Imperium is wide, by all probability they don't often meet fellow assassins once they are released from the temples.

They would more than likely have to socialize with normal people. They are nowhere near as psychologically broken as they are in Vanilla after Oscar forced reforms onto them so at least making friends might be an option now.

But it would still be awkward and they would for the most part still be psychologically weird due to the fact that Assassin training is still long, intensive, starts at a young age and with no time put aside for socializing beyond what is needed for the job.

Also it takes a specific sort of personality to be considered for Assassin training in the first place. All assassins start out with the aptitudes to cultivate to take another human life in cold blood dispassionately and with no feelings beyond a workmans pride in a job well done but without any unseemly glee.

Taldeer and LIVII and their relationship are exceptions not just for being human and elder but because someone managed to make an emotional connection with LIVII.

That said some of the assassin temples require deft social skills to get close to their targets so they would be specifically trained to be good company.

>>54520296
Also it doesn't help that Taldeer has very shapely ears and given that she is usually the shortest one in the room in eldar company everyone has a very good view of this fact. Her time at the Ulthuan estate with Sreta and her cronies being groomed to be the perfect little housewife to be sold off for influence and fortune making was not a happy time for her, no matter how gilded the cage and pampered the lifestyle.

She was seen as utterly unsuited to the military life, least of all the Cadian military life, and it was assumed that she would come running and crying home after her first month of hardship in the training grounds assuming that she wasn't kicked out sooner.

They did not expect her to love every minute of her time running the increasingly hellish obstacle courses or find such satisfaction and accomplishment in the weapons practice ranges.

Eldrad was in hysterics at the whole thing, least of all because he didn't like Sreta much at all and watching her get a social bloodied nose was tea and crumpets to the old patriarch.

>>54541043
Both.

Every secret society counts Cypher as their agent. Every secret society both loves and hates him as he has betrayed each one as much as he has helped them.

Nobody is sure exactly what game, if any, Cypher is playing. Some believe that Cypher is several people but if that is true then it's several people who look very much alike in identical armour with identical weapons.

Also despite rumours he does not have the Lion's Sword. Lion's Sword is still in the armoury in The Rock on the shelf it was placed on when they brought the comatose Lion in.

>>54547332
I like it. It shows that even though the Tau are friends with the rest of the Imperium now, things haven't been all sunshine and light.

And the reasoning for the fighting is pretty good. The Imperium had been trying to get on the Tau's good side for centuries and get them to join, but the actions of the locals forced both sides into war.

>>54550855
Hey, are Eversors even a thing in this universe?

I can't imagine people being turned into thoughtless murdermachines would sit well with this Imperium.

>>54554361
No, but heavy cybernetic human cruise missiles are sometimes necessary. They aren't mindless or indiscriminate any more, but they're still fast as hell, loaded with enhancements, high to the eyeballs on prefered combat drugs, and still fond of absolutely insane kamikaze tactics if their mission goes tits up. They are the smallest and most old school of the temples, but they still get lots of work when you need the Imperium's closest approximation of the Great Enemy's frenetic pace and manic destruction. You use Eversors to hit Crone targets, Ork warbosses, and Dark Eldar, because they can keep up and even thrive in those environments.

>>54551884
I like the idea that she might be Eldrad's last child. Eldar for grandfather just means venerable father, every member of the Ulthuans calls Eldrad grandfather.

Taldeer is considered somewhat tragic in that, at the tender age of redacted, she has become path-lost on the paths of the Seer.

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>>54554597
I now have this image of an Eversor who is the most laid back and nonchallant dude in the universe because he he is drugged up tto his eyeballs with painkillers and 40K weed equivalents in order to let him socialize and act like a human between missions. Then when the order comes they flush the relaxations drugs and replace them with combat stims and he's a murderbot again.

"567K, we've just received the mission briefing. "
"I'm gonna have to be a monster again, aren't I?"
"'fraid so, son. "

>>54559147
It makes you wonder if Polymorphine comes with side effects and what they would be.

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>>54559277

Well, we know in canon that it hurts like hell and if you haven't been properly trained, your body will shapeshift to death.

Don't recall anything other than that, though.

>>54560651
Any indication of what it's made out of?

>>54561052
I don't think the composition of polymorphine was ever expanded on in canon, and it's not really that important anyway.

I've been thinking about the Damocles Crusade, and I've got a rough chain of events put together:
-During one of the Spheres of Expansion, several Tau commanders on the Tau-Imperium border adopt a highly aggressive stance, disputing ownership of numerous border systems and skirmishing with Imperial colonizers, merchants, and military patrols.
-The Imperium assembles a crusade to repel the Tau and seize control of the disputed region. The strike force comes together faster than strategic planning, so the Crusade sallies forth with unclear goals, indecisive leadership, and minimal military intelligence.
-Despite these handicaps, and errors made due to unfamiliarity with Tau doctrine and equipment, the Imperium initially enjoys great success due to massively superior strategic movement and communications.
-This momentum does not last, as confusion in the high command prevents proper follow-through. The Tau regroup, rearm, and adapt, and they win a series of defensive victories.
-Needs on other fronts draw most of the Crusade force away, leaving only a defensive force to hold onto the gains.
-After some more inconclusive skirmishing, both sides declare victory and go home.
-End result: Tau-Imperium border solidified, both sides claim a minor victory.

Thoughts?

>tfw there will never be a 40k shounen anime
>power gap separating regular dudes, aspect warriors/marines, veterans/harlequins etc
>monster of the week where it's a different xeno each ep
>ridiculously over top fight scenes with ludicrously strong marines and lightning fast eldar

You'll call my taste shit, but you'd watch it.

>>54565579
Who'd the protagonist be? Last surviving Marine of a destroyed Chapter? Young punk discovering he has some kind of martial-arts psyker power and having to fight off pretty much the entire galaxy?

>>54565615
I'd either go with an Inquisitor in training (with amazing psychic potential because it's a shounen anime) or some marine recruit (gets his powerups from beating bad guys and sweet wargear).

>>54565579

Starring, CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM!!! and his aid, Jurgen!

>It's the 41st millenium, and the End times are near! Can our heroes prevent the ultra trigger-happy Craftworld Biel-tan from pulling another Crusade? And what are Vect and Malys up to? Watch and finds out!!

>>54566149
That's old style shounen. Think more Bleach, FMA, grimdark Avatar: TLAB (yes I know that's not true anime) etc.

>>54565141
Is good. Also explains why the Tau were so reluctant to listen to the Imperium at all when it came to AI.

Is the Grey Knight still wandering the Realm of Chaos?

Are human lead dark eldar kabals a thing because i got some writefag about one.

>>54567040
I don't want to give a flat no, but I don't see it happening. Even if a human somehow managed to ascend to the top of a Kabal- wildly improbable- then I don't think any rival Kabal would let him keep that position for long. Perhaps an isolated pirate band, far from Commorragh?
Might as well show us what you have anyway.

>write fag in bound
> Craftworld crash landed during the age of strife on human world, long story short Humanity interbreed to become
>The Thau'don great psykers with Eldarish features but are still humans so no BLAMMING. Are Roughly 20%
> The Fen'thormin normal humans workers and warriors high hight and great strength. Roughly 60%
> Morn'kriit'sha. Blanks that work on the machine, tall strong, smart, and lack most eldar features. 20%
> had an empire that spanned 6-8 sectors before they knelt before the Emperor, and welcome him the Imperium. The Emperor called them Humans, despite their past, so its over looked.
The sharp smell of metal hugged the air as well as the many sharp smells of smoke, blood and gunfire 2 things that go hand and hand with life in the feral worlds. but this wasn't a ferral world this was a web gate on a hive world that was nearly over run before, Chullen's guard arrived.
the web gates where would all over his home sector and the out lying ones as well.
but this was far far away from any of Kinder bloods lands. this was the at the beating heart of an industrial sector, unlike the green paradises and breathable sweet air as well industrious homelands of his kin, this land should have no gates of his Fha'Material-kin as his Fha'Patrical-kin used the warp for everything in-sector travels.
This was the work of Fen'dalhar, or as most humans no them as the dark eldar, a group that terrorizes that innocent to feed their lustful depravities at price of their own souls a dept their arrogance will not pay. In the Emperors name i will lead my guardsmen to the heart of the dam city and free his children and my brothers from their clutches.

>>54567100
Cain was dragged chained from the cells by his captures, laughing at his fellow cellmates pain and Cain's own.
Cain was used to cells even if they where Xeno as in origin, the inside of cells where common to gang member as he spent most of his life on the streets or in the cells. Cain's own children rarely ever seen his own face only the money he sends to put food on their plates, and head resting upon the bed when he returned from his crimes. He thought he would see them more and maybe become the father he always dreamed of when he took the job to steal from the wrong mark. The Abrities that caught him and offered 2 options; his entire family imprison in prison factorums, or Cain being sent to the outer hive cities. In order to save his family he pick the former.
He thought the punishment was light until the Xenos came. They came, slaughtered, raped, and captured everyone. they mocked all those that fought them killing many, though it would never take much to kill a worker. They where going to kill him and much much worse if he lived, though once a ganger always a though old ganger, Cain wouldn't go down with out a fight.
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>>54567380
Two problems with this.

Firstly humanity and elder can't interbreed. This is why Lofn and the Impossible Child are such monumental occurrences.

Secondly there would never be a blamming as craftworlders and by extension exodites are already part of the Imperium

BONUS ROUND Thirdly the Imperium does not demand that you kneel, it asks that you stand.

>>54567486
The banging upoun his hab told Cain whatever short time he had left was at an end, with an old trick he learned in the dark lower blocks he learned how to kill within seconds of opening a door, this wasn't his 1st scrap but dam well might be his last.killing 1st xeno that entered his hab with a knife to the chink in the neck. The next one to enter was stabbed under the arm and used as a sheild for the fire of 3 Xenos outside the hab he ran to them. Pulling the xenos blade free of the corpse leg he threw it into the eye of the one on the left, the on in the middle had his throat cut and kicked into the 3rd xeno as the ganger advanced. Push the weapon out of his way he caught the knife that threatened his throat from the enemey, and stabbed the foul xeno in the throat with his blade and through the eye with other blade. Pulling them out he advanced upon another only to be surrounded.
" A fighter how lovely, when i kill you with my blades i shall show your family what else i can do with my blades." the xeno mocked
" My family is long gone, and thats even if live." Cain charged the xeno, only for xeno to pary all his strikes and sent him back with a kick to the chest.
" Then i shall brake you, since you have nothing to lose."
Cain wiped the blood out of the corner of his mouth.laughing with a sly grin,"You ever been told not to fight a man with nothing to loses."
"Its just fighting a man, an easy task to an Eldar."
The "Eldar" moved for Cain's throat and heart only to pired and lock in place.
" Aye i maybe a man, but i just killed 4 of you Fragin Zods."
Locking the xenos legs in place he knocked his skull into the beast, causing the Xeno to fall back and Cain to cut the side of his face.
Cain kicked the blades away from xeno along with his own, he stood over the eldar only to be kicked to the ground by fallen beast. Cain moved on Eldar and the 2 begain to fight in savage fistcuffs.
Then the world went to black with a wack of a xenos rifle.
2?

>>54567487
1st its been done in the past you have horrus heresy characters that and half elder, granted they are shaking in origin.
2nd just making sure this is the Imperium after all.
BONUS ROUND its a figure of speech, they knelt under the banner to stand with all of humanity.

>>54567581
Except that in this AU that there have never been halfbreeds is kind of an important point in regards to end times prophesies.

Which is not to say that there isn't room for another faction arising from a human - eldar hybrid culture. Maybe they have broken into castes as an alternative to the Paths to curb the eldar self destructive tendencies.

>>54567539
Ravenkrite was beyond mad he was furious, he grabbed a dagger and cut the fool who knocked out his prey.
"HE WAS MINE, I HAD HIM RIGHT WHERE I WANTED HIM. AND YOU LITTLE INSECT STOPPED MY FUN."
The Kabal step back away from their leaders rage, leaving another to take his punishment they all had faced.
"It matters not load him onto the ship, i will break him and feast on his sorrow."
"Sir what about the fallen he butchered." A young kabal raider asked.
"Oh, those fools leave them to rot. To fall to such a pitiful Insect marrs them to death and she who thirsts. And Mazkin never speak out of line again or i will cut out your eyes and place them back in your head."
Loading the slaves was the fun part of the raid as you can savior the terror as you load them into their cages, so sweet would be their suffering it would only be a taste of whats to come. he told his kabal to have their fun, and they are indeed starting up their evening as the sweet delicious terror reeked its way across the ship with the echos upon echos of panic filled screams.
though they lefted his prize alone, he had skill in combat, he could be sold to arenas at a great profit, though he did cut him and he wished to make the beast suffer. The tattoos on his arms showed he did have life as one of the Animals gangs, and such skill with a blade could prove useful for torture.
Yes the Mon'kieg will be used as a torturer of all his fellow beasts, and the misery of such a beast torturing an Eldar would make sure his Kabal and others know Ravenkrites wrath.

>>54567629
would be a great idea and concept, i would love it.

>>54567705
Cain was pulled into a room he knew from his 3 years or more in this hellpit, or less as his captures loved to screw with your head. Tonight he will pick the torture and perfrom it upon the slaves he shares his cell with. His would be master would enjoy their pain, but tonight is different then the others. As on other nights Ravenkrite would watch him and is torture, and how he would interact with the slaves in the cells, he believed Cain was broken and his pet. When Cain Tortured and killed his disloyal Kabal members that planned his Coup his mind was set.to be fair his master did drive his kabal to to a coup On this night the game will change, his new servants unlocked his chains and Cain entered the room with the others Kabal he walked over to his beloved tools. He waited, for the time, no savored it.
" wheres the slave, you fools didnt forget the slave did you. I will cut you all for every second there isnt one." His 'master' commanded.
" Oh we are torturing a prisoner tonight to show your enemies what the Kabal will do to its enemies." Cain spoke, brushing his tools of his trade." We did this back on hope a couple of times and i remember you telling me to do it a lot more. So for now we will let the fool's fear sink in or let the surprise be better, oh and dont worry master it will happen sooner then you realize."
Cain look out to kabal, he needed them to make the 1st move. They could try to betray him now, though Cain had a back up prisoner of a rival Kabal in the other room. You can never be to careful and that dog will share what Cain can do to his enemies. He would need it in order to strike fear at the rival kabals, they already knew his work but this would be away of really showing what Cain was willing to do.
It was a sudden but silent as his former master was grad and strap to the chair, gaged so when its time to scream he would remove the gag.
"Sorry good 'master', but i did tell you never mess with a man with nothing to lose.

>>54567783
It was months after Cain took over the Kabal his master now blind-deaf- dumbed- mained pet stood by his side as remember of what Cain can do.Though a new face found themselves in the chair once or twice over the months of Cains new rule as many did try to plot Cains fall, but he was always 3 steps ahead and would turn it on them. he made sure the kabal knew the price they paid, when they tried to take over his territory, Cain sparred no expanse in order to Raze the Kabal that dare test to the ground, no one spared as root and steam burned as Cain murdered all that even so much as glanced at the kabal members that dared war with him, all done in brutal torturous way, and he always made a show. 3 Kabals bent to his will, most likely thinking his life was short anyway it wouldn't be long for power vacuum that they could take advantage of. But eldar blood mixed with other items kept many high nobles young for near 1000 years, Cain would too
But tonight Cain would relax, it was treat to him and the entire Kabal after their hard work in last nights Raid on his old home world, he would get to torture the abrities who sent him away from his family. But he did owe them in way for his new life, so they wouldn't suffer to long.
THE BROKEN MEN KABAL does pay it dues. 4

>>54567877
Martha glanced out the door as once again another, letter came for her. her Husband after 3 years of silence begain sending her letters and money, it was hell as she nearly lost the hab before the letters started showing up with more then enough money to buy for her family lifes, but she never dared spend more encase they stopped she would never dare think her husband would leave her on her own, but life as ganger would always put him in danger. though she did quit her job only to move to one better suited for her as she did have to put a child through scholars so he would never have to live their lives. she read the letter and burned per her husbands wishes, he was in pretty deep and was in danger though he always said he could always pull head. what ever the case is she hoped her husband would come back to her soon.
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>>54567783
instead think of them as near eldar, because they have been raised and taught eldar ways for so long, but pretty much a caste in eldar society as they lived together in their own society.
in regards to
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>>54532535
I still like the idea that Titus and Mira are in some sort of very odd and potentially quite improper relationship.

One the one hand it's illegal for Ultramarines to get married, a law put in place by Guilliman's grandson for good reason. On the other hand the reasons for that law are considered obsolete and it's only kept for historic traditional reasons and at least half the chapter have unofficial wives. It's a marriage with all the religious ceremonies but none of the state legal proceedings. Half the time a chapter Chaplain is the one performing the ceremony and then conveniently forgetting about the whole thing.

The real scandal is that she is a soldier and so is he and that is very much frowned upon by almost everyone but not, oddly enough, by Chaplain Ortan Cassius.

Ortan Cassius has reached the point in life where he absolutely does not give a fuck what other people think. Leandros can quote the Codex all day long but Cassius is also word perfect in not just the Codex but all the surrounding supplementary documentation and histories and the published works of the other Primarchs and by god/s does he let Leandros know this. Cassius fucking hates Leandros even more than Titus is learning to and should Calgar ever manage to die would vote for the chapters dissolution before voting for Leandros to take the high office. He has made no secret of this and it has gone on official record that Leandros is a "rote learning Tosser".

Although Cassius does support Titus the Acting CM often wishes that he didn't. He keeps demanding that Titus get married and stop hogging those delicious Anti-Chaos genes for the good of the species.

He also keeps insinuating that Mira and her surviving soldiers were adopted into the Ultramar Regiments more so that Titus could keep Mira close to him than any practical concerns, a thing that only offers him more rope by which to be hanged in the eyes of Leandros.

>>54568522
Titus has always maintained that the adoption and assimilation of the Cadians into the military training institutions of Ultramar is to facilitate needed reforms into the Ultramar soldiery as part of the Legio Primaris project. His intention is to have the space marines backed up by the best soldiers that Ultramar can provide, to that end they must be trained by the best soldiers he can find. The best unaugmented soldiers he has ever seen are the surviving Cadians of the 203rd so he pulled stings to get them transferred to being Ultramarine Auxiliary forces so that he could place them where he saw fit. Mira, as their commander, is the keystone of the project and orchestrates the whole thing from Macragge answering only to Titus and the Ultramar Senate. This necessitates that she spend a lot of her time in the Fortress of Hera or the city of Magna Civitas, two places that Titus has to frequent when not out on campaign. This is purely coincidental he tells himself, never quite believing it.

Despite his questionable motivations the Cadian Doctrine being instilled in the new generation of soldiers is proving to be extremely effective. The aristocracy of Ultramar is unhappy about this "cultural contamination" and "barbarian influences". Titus, ever the diplomat, called them out on that and told them in no uncertain terms that it was their influence peddling and decadence that had lead to the decline in standards that was making these reforms necessary.

>>54556910
Lexicanum and 40kwiki are silent on it but I would assume longer than humans given the longer gestation but not as long as retarded D&D elves being considered children up to age 80. Because seriously dude that's fucking dumb.

They may reach the age of maturity at age 30 and be the biological equivalent age of 18 in human years. That's significantly longer but not too absurd.

Despite the relatively long pre-adult stage they live for much over a thousand years so it is not this that makes any real impact on their birth rate. Their birth rate is naturally lower than that of humans perhaps intentionally engineered in in some distant eon of the Eldar Empire to prevent overpopulation because the Old One sure as shit wouldn't have put it into a soldier race in a high attrition war against the Necrontyr.

It is slightly higher birth rate compared to Vanilla because they have Isha back and she encourages fecundity by merely existing and also an easier supply of Soul Stones.

Also in the later part of M41 there has been a sudden glut of repentant Dark Eldar because of Vect getting married to Malys. The Craftworlder and Exodite populations are at an all time high at the moment. If the Starchild Prophesy is imminent that might change very suddenly, very fast.

>>54556910
I looked this up when writing the Tigurius blurb. Physically Eldar seem to be mature between 30 and 50 years old (possibly closer to the lower end), but they're considered "dumbass teenagers" for another century.

Hard time finding references, but the best I can find is a 300 year old warlock being considered like a twenty-something human in the eldar codex.

>>54562730
It's a drug IIRC.

>>54565141
There was something about the Damocles Gulf campaign in this timeline being Farsight separatists versus establishment reformers after the separatists shed Tau blood in their attempts to follow the greater good the way they wanted to, since the DG is the border between the Farsight Enclaves and the Tau Empire in canon.

In that case we might want to change one or the other name. Or have there be more than one Damocles war.

>>54566906
Maybe. It's been suggested that the leader of the Grey Knights is called Kaldor Draigo out of tradition, ever since the original got sucked into the warp. The two possible options are he died or he's in the Warp going full Samurai Jack (complete with this Draigo being from Sino-Japan). In this case Draigo didn't survive by being a Mary Sue but by avoiding picking fights with things bigger than him and because the Chaos Gods forbid harm to him (which only causes daemons to be more discreet about it) like that one character from Fantasy so they can use him as a tool to mess up the plans of the other three. We never really decided on which version.

>>54567040
>>54567100
The Dark Eldar claim that Commorragh is like Rapture. Free of decrees from gods, kings, or emperors, that let people live as they please. Thing is, "people" in the Dark Eldar's case has a really limited definition. "People" to them means trueborn, Commoragh-born Dark Eldar. Humans need not apply. Defecting 'edgy' Craftworlders and Exodites (which does happen) end up at the bottom of the social heap and have trouble climbing up. Vatborn have a better chance than most, but there is still a stigma at best or considered "half a person" at worst. The highest ranking defectors and vatborn generally get that way by hiding any evidence to the contrary.

The Dark Eldar are funny. They hate each other with a passion but if some ousider threatens their power scheme they stand together. Taking over a kabal would be really difficult for a human. On the other hand, some humans have managed to earn respect. Bile for example, because he doesn't ask for handouts and thinks like a DEldar. And of course there are trading human pirates and other sorts in Commoragh, possibly some who are "assistants" (read:consorts) to particularly kinky DEldar.

>>54571255
They could think its a trick to fool them into attacking, and if human takes control of 6 kabals more would join simply because humans die in 50 years so they can prepare to take over. There are those humans that phatom lead kabals because the leaders have gotten so parionaid they think their pets are only ones loyal.
You could lead as phatom leader of many kabals make them come together, do things that you want all leaders trust you as your simply a pet and no one else.
Vect might smell simething fishy but if you stay out of his way offering blanks(humans are way better) in order to cloak the city, your a tool he cant replace, just keep making yourself more priceless and loyal, and he will leave you be.

>>54571050
The Farsight rebellion would have been DG War 2

>>54554361
Have you ever seen a film called Hardcore Henry?

I imagine like that but faster and harder.

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>>54568682
>>54568522
So this still begs the question of what the predominant religion of Ultramar is. It has the Fortress of Hera on it which implies some sort of polytheism or at least the history of one and Ultramar is (Eastern) Roman Empire IN SPAAAAACE! but the ERE became Orthodox later in it's life so maybe that at some point in Imperial History has happened her and it's Katholian now. Or at least Macragge is, almost certainly it varies from world to world especially given how Ultramar is more much like the Delphic League with it's 1 planet, 1 vote but everyone in reality does what Magna Civitas says.

It also gives the possibility that Ultramar, or at last Macragge, treats it's more introspective and less lightning artillery psykers like the oracles of ancient Greece. They are dangerous, they are touched by something inhuman and the safest way of dealing with that is to give them their space. Sometimes that means giving them a modest but not unpleasant house 30 miles from the nearest pleb or sometimes it means giving them a room on a quiet weather monitoring space station.

Also Cassius is now the official batshit crazy grandfather who lost the ability to suffer fools. Loved and hated and feared and held in awe by the chapter and a source of hard work for diplomats across half a sector to excuse.

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Was just browsing the wiki and I noticed that we don't have anything on Craftworld Ibraesil.

In canon they are a matriarchy with lots of Howling banshees, stopped some Dark elder raids, and are interested in the Crone worlds.

With that in mind how do they fit into this timeline?

>>54577118
Here goes.

Given that they are a matriarchy that would seem to imply that, rather than being a bunch of angry widows, they are more closely linked to Isha but in her aspect of a pissed off mother bear or eldar equivalent.

Their interest this time is not in collecting soul-stones but slave liberating, assassination missions, terrorist attacks (against the Chaos) and occasionally stealing some ancient relic of great value.

To this end they have fostered a long alliance with many of the spawn of Konrad Curze. The Reavers of Hodir are a particularly nasty band of Night Lords often seen in their company. Where the Reavers get their recruits from is a mystery, some speculate that they are former deathrow inmates lost in the paperwork, sold to them on the grey market and mind scrubbed.

The Divine Triumvirate of Iybraesil is Lileath, Isha and Morai-Heg; maiden, mother and crone. Past present and future and the majority of them dead. The past is burned away, the future is erased and their is only the blood and the thunder of now left. They have Farseers but it is a council of house matriarchs that make the decisions. They hold many craftworlds, Ulthwe in particualr, in some level of contempt. They are ruled by farseers who act on prophesy because they have foreseen themselves acting on prophesy and stuck in stupid and costly cycles of predict and effect unwilling to change and fight fate for cowardly notions of what might come to pass if they do. Farseers can advise, it is the Venerated Mothers who have the last say.

Iybraesil has an avatar of Khine, they do not trust it. Others forget whose blood is dripping from his hands but they have not. When not on those rare occasions they let him out of the shrine he is held to his throne with chains of diamond links.

>>54577489
Their relationship with the Throne is odd in that they don't acknowledge the sovereignty of the Emperor or if they do it's as an accessory to Isha's majesty. The Imperium has an Empress and a Golden Man Emperor-Consort piece of arm candy that she had to accept to get the cooperation of the humans.

Their relationship with the Imperium as a whole is for the most part pretty typical, though they tend to get along with most humans slightly better than they do Ulthwe and Saim-Hann because fuck those guys.

They field a lot of Banshees, they have loan surplus healers to other craftworlds and they seem to export more Priestesses and Handmaidens of Isha than other craftworlds per head of the population. A disproportionate number of The Repentant came to Iybraesil in search of healing or absolution, a fact that has only bolstered their military power, the Repentants had no right to expect any welcome but they were the last children of Isha from that sinful place unforsaken and for those open arms and offers of earning forgiveness they will fight like starving lions.

On the whole they believe that eldar is superior to human by virtue of being Isha's actual children rather than just adopted, but they are polite about it.

>>54577725
>prissy elder sisters to the galaxy

>>54578586

>prissy eldar sisters to the galaxy

Sorry, but it simply HAD to be done, and now it's out of the way.

>>54578850
What are their opinions about the Human Sisters of Battles, and how they kinda paralel?

>>54579802
They might even have their own local order they patronize (in both meanings of the word) and teach the veneration of Isha to.

>>54559147
"Until the call comes...the Dude abides."

>>54580308
It's always possible that they are the origin of the Sisterhood of the Old Tree that has taken over Preatoria.

>>54578586
Not prissy, not as such. They wouldn't call you behind your back or posture and preen for attention or social gain. I'd say highly militarized feminist but holy ever loving fuck that gives the wrong image.

They don't feminazi hate men, it's just that they don't rule on Iybraesil. Their reasoning being that family is the basic cornerstone of all civilization and the most basic and root unit of family is mother and child.

To this end their social structure is made up of Houses based on family ties and lead by the nearest that that any particular bloodline has to a living common female ancestor, which given the astounding lifespan an eldar can achieve with longevity treatments is often not too hard to trace. there are also the Houseless that can be adopted into a Iybraesil House, typically foreigners moving in. Being part of a House is a prerequisite for citizenship and being allowed to own property, marry or even be allowed past the visitors section. Since the arrival of the Repentants it has been suggested by many of the more forward thinking Matriarchs that maybe they should be looking in to branching out some new independent houses to accommodate the unprecedented population surge.

Also, they claim, this is to represent that the only deity that isn't fucking awful to survive their old pantheon is Isha. Khine is not to be emulated in everyday civil life for obvious reasons (and most Aspect Warriors would agree) and Ceggers is a dishonest, violent trickster unworthy of respect.

Last time the Dark Carnival came to Iybraesil one of the older and more obnoxious Matriarchs said as much to the Jester King. He just chuckled and called her a blithering idiot.

>>54583830
"You know her as she is now little child, the proud Empress of a million worlds, the All-Mother and the good and noble wife. You forget that I am old and so is she and I remember what you forget. If you were to know what I know of half the things that she has done you would maybe not love her as unconditionally as you do now. Maybe if you knew what I had done you would not be standing before me now, prattling to something so much greater than yourself about things you know so little about; we are neither and none of us innocent, not for a very long time now".

>>54570993
So we can assume that Taldeer left home at the tender age of 45, barely and adult by elder standards but an adult none the less and therefore legally allowed to do so. Probably had some Seer instructions through childhood and adolescence from Grandfather Eldrad as a hobby, enough to know the basics and the theory and get better on her own with practice. Considered unseemly due to the obsessions of youth due to the possibility of getting Pathlost especially with the attraction of the Seer's Path.

Starts to get dangerously obsessive in her early 50s and without the moderating influence and distractions of the rest of an elder society to keep her grounded, just shit loads of Cadians who think precognition is FUCKING AWESOME! due to predicting raids and shit, she is Pathlost by age 60 and very much a Farseer.

Eldrad is proud of her dedication, gets dirty looks from the rest of Eldar society that he gives little enough of a shit about.

>>54566401
Also because the A.I. were the backbone of their military and industry and they were not short of need of them.

>>54572365
My brother of extremely good taste.

A story about a novice and newly upgraded Eversor being directed against a crippled techno-magi who puppets servitors in a most unorthodox way to take out a renegade psyker before he destabilizes an planetary government.

>>54584900
Explains a lot. It would be super easy for the child of Eldrad Ulthran to get access to material on psykery and how to learn it. Also explains why it's Farseer Taldeer and not Warlock Taldeer, she never had the chance to complete any warrior path.

Could bump the age up a century, make it seem more plausible that you could get someone lost on the path of the seer, which is supposed to be pretty hard for young eldar to do.

On the other hand, it was suggested that the Imperium has mandatory military service for eldar like it does for everyone else. It's just the military service is only the length of a human lifespan, which is peanuts to eldar (because "they're serving the same amount of time) and the galaxy is so big chances are nothing will happen to them. The Craftworlders use it to knock some of the stupid out of the young ones' heads and teach them how nice it is that they have a nice, safe Craftworld or enclave to live on. As opposed to the Path of the Warrior, where the goal is to be killy, the goal here is to learn to keep normal while surrounded by chaos (little c).

>>54587569
It's also because the military brass doesn't particularly like eldar in high office for the same reason politicians don't; the fuckers take forever to die off.

Potentially with longevity treatments Taldeer could be a colonel for a very, very long time.

>>54587569
It could be that the military option was given a form of blessing from the eldar, seeing a stint in human service as a chance to knock Taldeer out of being lost on the path of the seer. Experience something that isn't scrying the future and sharpening psyker abilities, go hang out with humans and get involved in minor policing actions or something for twenty years to get out of your rut. Far from the wraithbone and crystal dome and psyker studies, hopefully she'd diversify.

She didn't. She instead had all the more incentive to follow her obsession, seeing as potentially the lives of thousands rested on her predictions. She doubled down, self taught, sought out other seers to learn from when off the battlefield (and sometimes depending on circumstances, on) until she was as accomplished a farseer as any.

>>54591116
It wouldn't have been given any sort of blessing from Sreta or her followers.

Although given how instrumental she has been in notable and significant Imperial victories, victories not possible without her dedication to the seer's path, it's a certainty that she had Eldrad's.

Eldrad would have seen that it would be necessary for her to be lost on that path for her to claim those victories and survive. Also she would need to walk that path to meet LIVII.

>>54591116
As good a Farseer, but very different in attitude and method. Where the vast majority of others were trained among the crystal towers and endless meditation, Taldeer found her own way in the storm of battle and chaos of military action, where a good solution /right fucking now/ is better than a perfect one ten hours alter. As a result, she brings a lot more power to bear much quicker than other seers, is willing to settle for "good enough" in her predictions, and goes for fast and hard practical uses of her abilities and power rather than the grand and artful displays traditional farseers employ. Making her something of an outcast among most other seers, but surprisingly well liked among the Guardians, Aspect Warriors, and most certainly among her human allies and friends.

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>>54593537
Also she would get along better with humans because they actually take her seriously. She is over a hundred years old, can see the future to an uncanny extent, has earned numerous victories, has a noble bearing and is not at all afraid of getting into the dirt with the common soldiers.

To the eldar she is a amusingly short with slutty ears, lacks refinement of her talents and managed to get pathlost with barely any formal training, is far too young to have accumulated any real wisdom, her uniform is bulky and unwieldy and covered in mud. To them she is a late teens/early twenties playing soldier.

Then they learn that she has a very mean right hook and even if you see it coming she already knows which way you are going to go to avoid it and you will not avoid it. Then they have two choices; fall in line or get another black eye as a final warning. This Cadia you stupid sons of bitches, don't make us use you as a training exercise.

>>54594075
>slutty ears

"Good god woman, get a hood!"

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>>54503379
>Chaos Orks
The fuck are you doing?

>Emperor isn't even called the Emperor, and he's not the combined super-psyker
>Eldar gods still totally got eaten
>Nobledark
What the fuck are you people even doing?

>>54600888
>>54600907
In order: The Horus Heresy never happened, so when Chaos decided to fuck the Imperium as hard as possible the Gods used their power to amp up the War of the Beast, with Chaos Orks as a side-effect. We haven't talked about them at all recently though so it's' honestly easily ignored.

The Emperor is still called the Emperor, at least in the 'present'.

I'm not sure what your complaint is here.

It means that people are more good than not, that the universe is shit, but with courage and sacrifice the efforts of men may one day produce a final victory. As opposed to canon grimdarkness, where people are shit, the universe is shit, and the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.

>>54601063
>with Chaos Orks as a side-effect.
Isn't it a pretty established thing that Chaos has a hard time dealing with orks because they just kill anyone acting un-orky?

Also, biggest issue for me is eldar gods STILL being dead. They're fine in (old) WFB, unless there's some massive plot point contingent on most of them being dead that I'm not aware of, then it just seems like grimdarkness for the sake of grimdarkness.

>>54601150
The ones who died in canon are still dead, the ones who are alive in canon are still alive. We decided not to mess about too much with the cosmology. Besides, the birth of Slaanesh and subsequent fucking-up of everything is a pretty major plot point.

>>54600888
They exist in Vanilla, they are just more common here.

>>54600907
By 999M41 he is the Emperor. He is a super psychic.

Only the ones that got eaten in Vanilla

That's why it's called Nobledark 40k.

>>54601150
A hard time is different from impossible and if chaos gods were to corrupt a warboss at the head of a huge WAAAGH such as the beast then there is not much that other Orks can do about it.

>>54601729
If it's a big enough warboss and he is still acting sufficiently orky then that brand of Chaos might be interpreted as orky by lesser orks. Because it must be orky if the best orks are doing it.

>>54503379
>Also, how goes Praetoria...? (we really need more on the world of tea and crumpets(and sexy nuns))

I might give it a bash.

Were they founded pre-Imperium or during Imperium?

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>>54503379
bump for more eldarxhumans

>>54586225
Has anything been said on the personalities of the surviving A.I.?

The half dozen survivors are an advisory council to the Ethereals, it is known (though not well known public knowledge).

Also are the Ethereals still their own sub-species or are they a council selected from the wisest of the 4 castes?

>>54604092
Do the eldar recognize what the Navigators are?

>>54605103
What?

>>54606034
The Navigator gene is xeno in origin and was spliced into some humans using super Dark Age SCIENCE!!!!! and was followed by humanity spreading across the stars at a much more accelerated rate and founding a great Empire.

Where and what the ancient humans got the gene from is unknown now.

All that is known is that old Navigators start to mutate into amphibious or possibly aquatic creature that is super in touch with the Warp.

Nemesor Zahndrekh looks at them and feels angry and he can't remember why he feels angry.

>>54596183
Sreta post detected.

Piss off you unshapely eared mega bitch.

>>54605103
Probably not. Most of the One Ones were half warp stuff by that point, and Eldar memory of parts of the War in Heaven has been shown to be off.

It's also an open question as to whether an eldar has ever seen a Navigator Elder, given how secretive the Navigators are.

>>54600888
>>54601150
Chaos Orks are pretty rare. The vast majority of the Orkish race is non-Chaotic, but Chaos likes to manipulate them into being cannon fodder (usually by promising fighting). They're extremely difficult to control outside of battle though and you get stuff like Tuska Daemonkilla all the time. The Chaos Gods put a lot more of their energy into trying to corrupt the Orks when their efforts to do the same with other races didn't work. It's a testament to how warp-resistant the Orks are that 10k years later and they still haven't made much progress.

Chaos Orks often aren't treated well by Orks. The Orks can often tell something is wrong but tolerate them because they bring the crazy stuff during the WAAAGH!s. Exactly how tolerated depends on the warboss. Start talkin about abandonig Gork and Mork out loud and you get krumped.

The biggest Chaos Ork of note is The Beast, who accepted the big four's help to get revenge on the Imperium for destroying his empire at Ullanor. He avoided any negatives because he was already the biggest and the greenest before Chaos (especially if that other superwarboss was killed), and all the Orks were revved up by the prospect of a galaxy-scale WAAAGH! and weren't thinking critically at the time.

>>54604099
The Ethereals are a separate caste, but not a separate subspecies. Originally the Tau interbred like everyone else, but the Ethereals put a stop to that to enforce social control and rigidity.

The Earth Caste were originally the people (peasant and noble alike) living in the fertile river valleys.

The Fire Caste were originally steppe nomads who lived on the drier plains and occassionally went to war with the Earth Kingdoms.

The Water Caste were originally merchants who travelled between kingdoms.

The Ethereals were the scholars and record-keepers, advisors to the kings as well as philosophers in their own right.

The Air caste I'm not sure about. Canon says they were originally messengers and could fly, but I'm not sure where a whole ethnic group of just messengers would come from. One idea might be the Air Caste were originally part of the scholar caste in the first place, just descended from those who weren't early converts to Da's teachings. Message-carrying was but another job of the scholars. A few generations after Da, the proto-Ethereals established a caste system to put a clear dividing line between the "enlightened" and unenlightened scholars, to ensure Da's ideas were not corrupted (and to keep from sharing the power).

A good comparison to the early Tau empire would be the Abbasid Caliphate, with Arabs being comparable to the Earth Caste, Persians and Nestorian Christians to the Air and Ethereal Castes, the Seljuk Turks to the Fire Caste, and the way Jewish people were treated in medevial Europe to the Water Caste (the comparison isn't perfect). Different ethnicitiew united by philosophy rather than blood, who would have intermarried in the Tau's case if not for the Ethereals stepping in.

Today the Tau react to breeding outside your caste the same way Westerners would react to incest.

>>54608035
Is Farsight maintaining the caste system?

We know Zahndrekh's Tau are Casteless and have reverted back to ye olde proto-tau. If the Tau Empire ever found them how would they react to them?

>>54608993
Farsight is a hard-line traditionalist, it's why he opposed integration. If anything he'd double down on it.

>>54610077
He's a greater good romanticist, he's pushing the ethereals to be even more esoteric and fire warriors to be even more nobly warlike

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>>54603100
I'm guessing in Imperial time.

Praetoria is not naturally habitable so it needs a high tech base, a high enough tech base and it would have been a Survivor Civ. It is not.

Also do not forget the most important part of Preatoria.

>>54521364
That would make him too old to undergo astartes upgrades.

He would have to be like Hector Rex with the limited gene-forging, discrete cybernetics and the baseline human power armour of the sort worn by inquisitors.

>>54611671
The way the AU ultramarines function geneforged officers of merit with other non-Astartes enhancements could be not too uncommon. Guilliman was such a case himself, so there would be no shame in it.

>>54611671
Nah, in this AU the augments can be done up until the early twenties to remove the grimdark of having all Space Marines be abducted child soldiers. So Tigurius could have left in his late teens and still been augmented.

>>>54612076
No, even with baseline humans more integrated with the Astartes, officers and such in the chapter would still need to be Astartes to lead from the battlefield, otherwise they just couldn't keep up with the men under their command. Definitely room for humans as vehicle pilots, ship officers, administrators, auxiliary support troops, etc.

>>54611671
18 when he left home, 22 or so when he decided he wanted to sign up for the (Ultra)marines. That's well within the age frame in this AU.

Also remember that one of the problems Tigurius had was he was becoming an adult while the eldae children his age still had another 15 years of teenagership or so to go. It wouldn't be like he lived with the Eldar until he was middle-aged.

>>54613018
The in-universe explanation is that Astartes augmentation can work up to the age mentioned (and beyond, but you get a ever-increasing chance of failure), the grimdark!Imperium just went with children because they're easier to brainwash into believing what you tell them. It's like that quote from 40k where a human mentions how terrifying the Astartes are because they're permanently stunted at that age where you think you're invincible and that idea of self-determination hasn't gelled yet.

Wouldn't be impossible. Canon!Emperor liked to turn his enemy's children into Custodes (6 years and under is better) to make a point.

>>54614539
Oscar would have gunned cannon emps down during the unification wars like the fucking Tyrant or Ursh. I'm tempted to think the horror Magnus found in the Himalayas actually was the gestalt psyker, and his and Oscars visits there were aimed at putting the fucker down, or at least keeping him forever out of galactic politics.

>>54617229
I think that we should keep what was found in those mountains a mystery.

>>54618526
thats for the best, but I now know what I think it was

Was it ever decided what Guillimans grandson, presumably son of King Gunthar Fouché of Franj, was called?

If not I'm going with Corbinian Fouché based on that nobody mentioned so far has a similar name and it's Frankish.

I've done a start on some stuff on Ultramar

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Member_States#Ultramar

Is it acceptable?

So if the implication is that Alpharius Omegon was scrubbed from the records, but are still out there somewhere, what happened to the Alpha Legion?

>>54621019
On the planet Old Earth in the city of Moskgród, in the Imperial Palace about half way up the spire there is a single roomed office. It's not a particularly big office, but then it does not need to be.

In that office there are filing cabinets, a few posters, a coffee machine, a desk and some chairs.

The door is unmarked and unnumbered, the man behind the desk changes often though all answer to and only to Mr Snake.

This is the office of the Alpha Legion representative. They are called when a large threat, too large for conventional assassins, needs to be dealt with discretely and quickly.

>>54621131

Nope. The fact that you know that means it's not Alpha Legion. Their contact information etc is deeper than even the Inquisition. You wouldn't just show up to an office and ask for them.

>>54621173
It is just that one office and at no point are you told what is in the office, who is in the office or where it is. You have to know it is there already and it is in the Imperial Palace so it's not like you can happen upon it by accident.

And even if you are permitted to know you are not permitted to tell them what to do. You tell them what the problem is and Mr Snake writes it down. Then the problem is solved/removed and if there is any evidence of who was there then it was intentionally left for reasons known only to them.

Mr/Ms Snake neither admits nor denies any involvement and usually acknowledges no awareness of what has happened, possibly because they swap so often or even ever confirming that they have any connection to the Alpha Legion.

It's just a dusty old office with a coffee machine and no number on the door.

And then there is the Omega Legion. They do not exist. They have no office, they have no agents, the receive no governmental funding, they answer to no one (because no one knows they exist). There was a long forgotten rumour that Omegon (unless it was Alpharious) once approached The Steward with the idea of founding the Omega Legion to do the dirty things not even the Alpha Legion would do and the Night Lords weren't subtle enough to do. This proposition was rejected outright.

To the public the Alpha Legion does not exist and you have to be quite high up to know that actually the tinfoil hatters were right, it does exist and no you can't see the records.

To the public the Omega Legion does not exist and they wouldn't know to ask about it because there has ever been any indication otherwise. If you are super high up in the ranks and take a keen interest in Inquisitorial history you might find some old record about the Steward aborting the notion of founding such an organization and the subject never being raised again. There were many such aborted ideas in those ancient days, this does not stand out at all.

>>54621518

Don't start pulling entire legions out of nowhere. Alpha Legion exists, Omega Legion does not exist.

>>54621665
>Alpha Legion exists, Omega Legion does not exist

Exactly correct by decree of the Inquisition Ave Hydra.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Omega_Marines

How involved was Ultramar in WoTB?

>>54619144
His grandson's name was Gaufrid, going back to the old thread.

>>54621665
They're not a legion. Indeed there are even less of them than Alpha Legionaires. They're the absolute monsters of the Alpha Legion, used for situations where you need horribel things done with complete deniability. Sort of like how Omegon did the shadiest stuff from the sidelines in canon. Legion is just in their name because it sounds cooler.

>>54622646
Wasn't hit as hard as in canon because you don't have canon Lorgar wanting to break his brother's precious little empire. Calth, for example, wasn't turned into a wasteland. Beast came from galactic North towards Sol (general trajectory was wherever Beast was hiding > Ullanor > Sol), so Obscurus and Solar saw the worst of the fighting.

That said, there was fighting everywhere, and there were probably bunch of fronts in Ultima (Hubworlders had Orks v. Dorfs 2.0, for example). So Ultramar probably did have some fighting.

>>54624264
I will correct it.

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I've finished the first attempt at Ultramar.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Member_States#Ultramar

Is it any good?
What should I redo?

>>54628694
It's okay.

>>54628694
it reads like fulgrimfag without the commas

An idea (non-canon, of course): what if the thing Oscar and Magnus found at the Himalayas the fragment of the Emperor's conscience and kindness, at his last moments before becoming fully corrupted by Chaos, trying desperately to warn Oscar of the bad future to come, of the Primordial Annihilators?

>>54632713
But what would the role of Eldrad be then if not to warn Oscar of Chaos?

>>54632713
I agree with >>54633080, it takes away from the mystery of the Himalayas (plus I don't think Oscar ever set foot there, that was all Magnus), plus it diminishes the reason humanity and the eldar allied in the first place.

Oscar knew Chaos was dangerous, but he didn't know it was sentient and malicious until he talked to the Interex and the eldar (the latter of whom spelled out what was going on). Before Oscar thought it was kind of a "look into the Warp for too long and go mad" kind of thing, with Chaos having all the self-awareness of a hurricane or some other natural phenomenon, with daemons being native Warp life. It certainly seemed to make sense given how most people react to raw warp exposure.

what if the nobledark was made cause the emperor traveled back in time and warned his past self that he should go with plan b which involved hijacking the man of gold project and adding a bit of the emperor touch then the emperor broke the time tunnel back and that's why no one can go back in time now

>>54633612
I'm going to go ahead and say no.

>>54633612
Literally what.

Let's keep canon Emps solidly segregated from our little AU, shall we?

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>>54633612
I agree with >>54633612 and >>54633665.

>>54633080

Empy tho, failed completely and utterly and... well, he tried to warn Oscar, yet ended up being corrupted by Chaos. All Oscar see was a glimpse of a terrible future, in which he though would be inflicted by the... thing he then promptly put down.

>>54634591
This.

Very this.

Vanilla Emps really doesn't need to be in this at all.

>>54633665
>>54634591
>>54634899
>>54636164
T'was a shitpost. Sorry.

>>54636318

M' too. Sorry.

>>54636318
>>54636478
No worries, keeps the thread bumped at the very least. Actually, on the top of cross universe characters reactions, there was a nice little piece on spacebattles about canon Eldrad looking through the warp into the this AU and liking what he saw, or something along those lines.

>>54636871
What? Where?

>>54627221
Is mucky mags of the royal couple considered illegal/heresy/treacherous?

>>54637040
Probably varies. Some places would likely have strict lèse-majesté laws, but I don't think it would be forbidden at the Imperial level.

Is anything known of Titus before he became a Captain? Unusual circumstances of recruitment, world of origin or anything?

I'm really wanting to put the writeup of Titus on the page.

>>54637040
Not by the Imperium at large at very least. Various aristocratic planets would be the most likely to maintain a ban on stuff like that, seeing as local government will probably predicate its dignity on the veneration and grandeur of the Imperial couple

>>54636871
Where was that? Also, a few more spacebattles-esque crossover "What If?"s would be pretty comfy.

>>54637040
Would vary from world to world for the most part.

But saying that the Imperium is largely based on the political marriage between Oscar and Isha. To that extent I can imagine that it is against Imperia Law to accuse either of infidelity, making a porn film that suggests, implies or depicts as such is therefore a minor act of treason.

It probably won't get you the death penalty if you didn't do it as a serious accusation but you will get a fine and possibly at worst conscription into the penal legion for a set amount of time.

Porn where an Oscar lookalike is ploughing an Isha lookalike is not against Imperial Law but might be against local law.

The eldar for the most part would go ballistic if you accused their All-Mother of being a faithless whore but wouldn't see what all the local law fuss is over considering that Isha and Oscar are husband and wife and depicting them as having intimate relations is not in any way untrue.

Also
>Implying that the Adepta Securitas isn't the main customer base of naked (lookalike) Emperor calendars
>Implying there aren't Naughty High Priestess costumes in reputably disreputable "costume" shops.

>>54639527

Also, on the explicit stuffs such as this, Eldrad is usually depicted as the 'dirty grandpa' with a lady on each of his arms and occasionally also men.

He neither makes any opinion known refuting nor agreeing to any of this. Sure as hell very fun to watch for him tho.

>>54628694
What would be the context of that picture?

Eldar looses all clothes and possessions in a fire and has to borrow her human friends stuff for a while and nothing fits right?

>>54640284
Well if he didn't want to be thought of as the Foxy Grandpa of the Eldar People he shouldn't have acted like it for many thousands of years past the upper life expectancy of any other eldar.

Also the Sisterhood kept the letters he sent to Jubblowski.

>>54637003
>>54638999
Here: https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-infinite-warhammer-40-000-loops.326759/page-260

It's a few posts down the page, stumbled upon it via google. I have no idea what a looper or loops is supposed to mean in this context, but I was pleased to see mention of the AU outside /tg/

>>54642633
>I have no idea what a looper or loops is supposed to mean in this context
Time loops. In this specific context, one or multiple characters repeating the same stretch of time Groundhog-Day style.

>>54642633
Eyyy, Sreta got a mention. I gotta do a fiction bit for her some time.

Any ideas for the Savlar Chem-dogs, warriors of the least worthy survivor civilization?

The impression I get from the writing is that they're a force of nomadic rangers and guerilla fighters that are well suited to extremely hostile environments, and that they have cybernetic and biological enhancements and some prized archeotech. They're probably not all the way to Skitarii, but Savlar would comprise one of the guard's best recon and sabotage assets, with the caveat of their general disorderliness and mercurial nature.

>>54644631
A culture of fast moving and hard hitting dirty fighters with a very bad record for discipline.

They also have a drugs problem, or at least people tell them they do. They don't think they have a problem, at least not until the drugs wear off.

Pretty shit at anything that requires too much planning. Very good at running really fast, reacting really fast and they have surprisingly good aim. Also they feel no pain or fear of Death.

Can't drive for shit. All but useless if the drugs run out.

Also they carry their gods with them and talk to them. This makes outsiders nervous and hard to get along with.

>>54641310
>Because I'm terminally bored.

Valhalla just after the last bout of Ork resurgence is when the picture is set.

There are a about a hundred eldar living on the planet, most are from other crafworlds than Yme-Loc because despite it being in obit because Yme-Loc are quite isolationist. Most of the eldar live in the capital and only city of any real size though some have moved out into the farms to be farmers for a few centuries. The eldar in question is Elsarriel, she owned a news stand and tasty snack-foods stand next to the entrance to the sub-way hub in the city center and lived in an apartment the size of a large closet for the low rent.

Past tense you will note. Capital City was quite badly effected, more or less every ork in the resurgence made way to the city.

Elsarriel now has no apartment and he snack stand is also a pile of ash. She's staying in the hab of one of her fellow eldar, it's not much bigger than the one she had and positively cramped for two people. To make mattes worse it's one of the males of her species. His name is Amogroth, he is quite a bit older than she is but the longevity treatments hide it well. He's been on the path of the warrior at some point and he didn't have the necklace of ork teeth before the resurgence.

Elsarriel is not good at dealing with men. She's even worse at dealing with Amogroth but he was kind to let her share his hab, basic as it is.

Elsarriel is having to rebuild her life from the ground upwards again with only the dirty and soot ruined clothes on her back to her name. First order of business was finding something to wear that wasn't filthy, burned and torn. Due to the low numbers of eldar on Valhalla there were no donated eldar clothes at the shelter and Valhallans tend to be a lot shorter than eldar and absolutely nothing fits her.

Amogroth isn't helping even if he is complementing her appearance. She really doesn't know how to deal with Amogroth in such close living arrangements.

>>54644631
They might not deploy Guard regiments at all. Their tithe is probably more than paid for by the output of their neutronium factory.

>>54647236
Whilst the neutronium is the full Savlar obligation to the Imperium it does still raise regiments for the simple reason that there is always enough volunteers willing to charge through Hell to get off of Savlar.

>>54637818
Beyond

"been Ultramarine for 150 years"

and

"previous squad died to chaos attack in a previous campaign"

Not a thing in the Lexicanum. We can do with him what we will and not contradict anything until they bring out the next Space Marine game never.

bump while I write thing

>>54653357
The Damocles Crusade occurred near the tail end of the Second Sphere of Expansion. At this point, neither the Tau nor the Imperium had much contact with each other; there had been some vague diplomatic contact, but distance had prevented the establishment of any sort of permanent embassy. As the Second Sphere began to run up against the Imperial borders, this began to change. Due to the Tau's lack of rapid interstellar communications, no central policy for contact could be imposed; each point of contact proceeded independently, according to the whims and instincts of the local commander. In most cases, this lead to a reasonably peaceful opening of relations. Things were different in the Damocles Gulf.

The Damocles Gulf was only lightly settled by the Imperium when the Tau started pushing into the region. However, many mercantile concerns had long-term plans for the colonization of the region, and were not happy to see the Tau butting in. The Tau pursued a highly aggressive colonization policy, settling colonies down in systems already claimed by the Imperium. This lead to a series of skirmishes with Rogue Traders, corporate paramilitaries, and colonial militias. These battles escalated over the course of about twenty years, until finally local authorities called to the wider Imperium for aid. A Crusade was declared, organized, and launched two years later, and the war was on.

There has been much speculation over why the Tau acted so aggressively within the Damocles Gulf. The Tau did not have a proper appreciation for the size of the Imperium at the time, but this did not prevent other commanders in other regions from pursuing peaceful relations. Part of it may have been simple time discrepancy; the lead-up to the Crusade took half a Tau lifetime. They may have simply perceived the provocations as coming further apart than the centuries-old human high command did.
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>>54653847
It has also been thought that the Tau's policy in the Gulf was, indeed, deliberate central policy; the Ethereals on T'au deciding to test the Imperium in a region far removed from anywhere else. Such theories have never been firmly confirmed or denied; Tau records from the period are silent on their motivations, and further speculation has been discouraged since Integration.

The Tau had forewarning. There was also significant trade and diplomatic contact within Damocles Gulf, and a Crusade is hard to hide. They built fortifications, supply depots, surveillance networks. Laid in parts and munitions for long sieges. Prepared for the storm.


What I have on the Damocles Crusade so far. More to come sometime tomorrow when my brain isn't fried. Thoughts so far?

>>54653862
It's looking good.

>>54653862
>>54653847
This would explain the initial animosity between Tau and Imperium that saw the seeds of resentment that would eventually cause them to be stubborn over the whole A.I. thing and Farsight too loose his shit some considerable time later.

>>54651265
I'm imagining that this is what the buildings on Tallarn look like.

>>54647110
This needs to be an in-universe sitcom.

>>54621518
On a Secret Societies list of "people know about it" it goes

>Inquisition - Not really secret, they appear in films and shit and receive government funding.

>Alpha Legion - High ups know that they exist but nothing more but still receive government funding

>Illuminated - Some high ups in the Inquisition know that they exist but nothing more unless invited in.

Hydra - has a finger in many pies, the others know about them but they know about all the others to some extent.

Grey - Seers. Known only to eldar elite and anyone who has needed to interact with the Black Library. Inquisitor Jaq Draco knows of them to some extent.

>Cabal - Possibly extinct or just really good at hiding

>Dragonites of Mars - about a dozen Magi hiding possibly the most important secret in the Imperium. Unknown to any outside their club

>>54653847
>>54653862
I like it. Mentioning the vulnerabilities and problems arising from the tau's shortcoming in communications tech as reasoning for the conflict was well thought out. Also really liked the point of view conflict between lifespans. To some of the tau, when the war started they could be surprised since this was due to shit that happened in their grandfather's time.

The only thing I am hestitant on is the promptness (relatively) of a crusade being called, especially over a relatively small chunk of space. Perhaps you could ascribe who called for the crusade, a sector governor who had a lot on the line or a particularly personal issue with the Tau might have enough pull to call on that kind of heavy military action. Or a lucky Tau action that took out of a cruiser could make the Imperium sit up and take notice or something.

Purely my opinion anyway. It's looking pretty good right now.

>>54636871
>>54638999
>>54642633
We have guests over, everyone! We need the 1d4 cleaned up, stat!

>>54509981
>The Eldar Empire enslaved countless human worlds during the Dark Age of Technology. They were even mucking around in the Solar System
They did?
I am interested in reading a source. I always thought that during DAoT Eldar were stagnant and decadent Empire and mankind was raising great power that in theory could rival them at their(humanity) peak with all of that lost technology and man of iron shit.

Unless we use countless as very small part of more countless overall worlds settled by humans. If that was only raiding then meh, such is life on the borderlands and human pirates for sure attempted to raid smaller eldar worlds

>>54655932

Yes, but mankind did not have the Webway tech - this allows the raiders to appear and disappear at will (note, as this is still before the Fall and subsequent smellies), and the Eldar military can bring the full strength of their military to bear/crush any attempt at counter-attack immediately...

Also, the Eldar raids human worlds along with countless other species' for slaves/pets and shit'n'giggles.

>>54655932
In this AU the early Dark Eldar went on slave raids and drive by tortures into the Afrique League. Vulkan first made a name for himself in one such raid when he stood his ground inside an inferno, slapped an Archon upside the head with a blacksmith's hammer, picked him back up off the ground, held him up high and brought him down over his knee breaking the Archon's back.

This occurrence combined with the increased resilience of Afrique League as it recovered under the wings of the Imperium made them look away from Earth for their easy fun.

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>>54645061
It sounds like Courier 6 from Fallout: New Vegas.

Vault-suits have to be worn on Savlar now. Possibly hand me downs from the Neutronium Smiths.

>>54655932
I don't think they occupied many worlds, just raided the shit out of them for slaves and drugs and slaves to make into drugs. The mucking around the Sol system was the Dark Eldar IIRC, and that was after the birth of Slaanesh. Even with the advantage in technology, Eldar raiding parties attacking Sol during the days of the Great and Bountiful human empire would be about as successful as Necron raiding parties trying to accomplish anything of note on Shaa-Dome during the War in Heaven.

>>54658165
They didn't need to occupy many worlds when each core world was a shellworld that could hold hundreds of trillions.

Also once they had done the first few raids into the Great and Bountiful Human Empire they would have had all the stock they needed to set up a human farm, after that the raids were just for fun or for new stock to crossbreed with the domesticated herds.

>>54657469
Yes. Holy fucking sweet Lord Jesus yes.

That is Savlar. That is Savlar all over.

You can't reason with the fuckers.

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So is there a Lotara Sarrin in this AU?

>>54661431
tau girls gone wild!

>>54662755
Tau can't hold their drink.

The have a glass of whiskey, then another and then their hands get all wandery.

>>54662543
Yes, going to be written as one of Angron's adopted children.

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>>54663383
Is that you Angronfag?

Can't wait to read what you write.

Also archived.

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How widely is Taldeer's condition known?

Also how many people know about her and LIVII?

>>54653862
The Imperium began the war with a crucial advantage in communications and mobility. The Tau had no equivalent to astropathic communication and had to rely on courier ships for interstellar coordination- couriers that were slower than Imperial ships. The Tau were intellectually aware of this, but did not fully appreciate it; it would cost them. Likewise, the Imperium also underappreciated Tau abilities in several areas. The first phase of the war would reveal all these shortcomings.

Tau strategy centered around a series of border systems that had both human and Tau settlements. In preparation for the oncoming crusade, most civilians were evacuated from these settlements and preparations for a protracted guerilla war laid in. Meanwhile, mobile fleet assets were withdrawn to secret bases in central locations. The goal was to bog down the Crusade in protracted ground wars across multiple theaters, leaving it open to concentrated strikes by the fleet. Since the Tau forces in these systems were in immediate proximity to human colonies, they could not simply be ignored; the Crusade would have to split up and commit forces to each world.

The first part of this plan worked excellently. The Crusade was indeed badly bogged down on the border worlds. The Tau had seeded these regions with cloaked surveillance satellites and sensor networks, to give them comprehensive real-time intelligence of Imperial movements. Concealed supply depots and bases provided places for the Tau to rest and resupply in comfort; when they were discovered, extensive minefields, AA batteries, and drone screens provided enough time to evacuate men and equipment before the Imperium could destroy the location. Pathfinders and spotter drones called down devastatingly precise artillery barrages, while stealth-suit teams assassinated officers and destroyed ammo dumps.
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>>54666559
The Imperial response to these tactics was... underwhelming. Long accustomed to enemies like Orks and chaos cultists, adaptation to Tau tactics was slow and confused. Even the Titans not immune, the Tau having developed several means of dealing with Titan-scale opponents in their long battles with the Orks. None were destroyed or even severely damaged, but the Mechanicus became increasingly cautious with them after several close calls. Only the Astartes and the few Biel-Tan Eldar forces consistently out-fought the Tau, and spread across half a dozen worlds, there were too few of them to turn the tide on their own.

The second part of the plan did not go nearly so well. The first Tau strike, on the world of Kindashar, drove off the outnumbered Imperial fleet with severe damage. Reinforcements, combined with precision orbital bombardment, forced the Guard regiments on the ground into an exclusively defensive posture. The Tau fleet then withdrew before an Imperial counter-attack could be mustered. Unfortunately for them, Eldar divinations and psychic interrogation of a handful of captured Tau spacers revealed the location of their hidden base. When the Tau fleet arrived, to their shock, they found the Crusade fleet already waiting for them.

The battle was short and decisive. Caught by surprise and out of combat formation, they were unable to maintain their range advantage and forced into a close-quarters fight. Coming right off the heels of a previous engagement with no chance to repair and resupply, the Tau fleet began to crack; once a trio of Eldar destroyers identified and destroyed the command ship, disorder became a near-rout, as the Tau fought to get back to the safety of FTL. Maybe half the Tau fleet survived, all heavily damaged. Many would not live to see a friendly port, as Imperial wolfpacks used their superior FTL speed to hunt down the scattered survivors.
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>>54666574
With the Tau fleet destroyed or driven out of the Gulf, any hope of relief was gone. They continued to fight on, but it was a lost cause. The Crusade was reinforced by regiments more experienced in counter-guerilla tactics, and their experience quickly diffused among the rest of the force. With control of space assured, air superiority was quickly established by orbiting carriers. The hidden bases were hunted down and destroyed one by one. As the lack of resupply began to bite increasingly deeply, one by one the different cadres surrendered. The last to give in was Kindashar, which lasted five months after the annihilation of the Tau fleet.

Various other minor Tau colonies fell quickly, in most cases surrendering without a fight. It was at this point that the Crusade began to slowly fall apart. The Crusade had been launched fast enough that its strategic objectives had not been fully decided, and now that the immediate goal had been achieved the arguments resumed in full force. Some interests viewed what had already been accomplished as sufficient, particularly the Rogue Traders and parts of the military. Others, mainly the nobility and merchant houses, wanted to seize control of the entire Damocles Gulf, while a third faction wanted a punitive expedition deep into Tau space.

While it first appeared that the factions in favor of further offensives would win out, the intervention of water caste diplomats prevented that. Dispatched from the core septs of the Tau, they skillfully navigated the factional politics of Imperial high society, playing the differing groups off against each other with the judicious use of flattery and bribes. The process of peace was not instant, and there were several naval skirmishes as more aggressive Imperial captains scouted out Tau defenses, but- after nearly a year- a settlement was reached and the Crusade disbanded.
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>>54666590
The immediate outcome of the war was a final settlement on who owned what in the Damocles Gulf. The Imperium got the better end of the deal, ending up with all of the border worlds and several of the colonies captured in the aftermath of the Imperium's naval victory. Tau in the transferred areas were resettled in Tau space, and the Tau retained a lessened presence in the Gulf.

In the long term, both sides gained valuable information about the other. In addition to the obvious military knowledge, the Tau learned a great deal about the inner workings of the Imperial apparatus, which would serve them well in future negotiation. Oddly enough, the Damocles Gulf would become a calm spot and major trade route in future Imperium-Tau relations; small numbers of Tau refused to leave colonies that had been traded to the Imperium, eventually forming a Tau/Imperial creole culture with disproportionate cultural influence, serving as a bridge between the two empires.

Thoughts? I wound up cutting a couple of parts since they weren't quite coming together.

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>https://pastebin.com/SkkwJnrx
Does the nature of the way people act seem in line with that of Imperial society?

>>54666608
I quite like this anon, good stuff. Are you one of the established writefags or a newcomer?

>>54669123
I've written some stuff before, but I'm not sure I would refer to myself as 'established'.

>>54666608
Works well, and really explored the political side in a good way instead of being a flat ideological conflict.

>>54665086
Not that widely, I'd think. There was that ][ report where the writer went bonkers with the possibility that Lofn was going to turn out to be the human and eldar equivalent of a synapse creature. And the bits where Taldeer freaked out about the in-universe fanfiction written about her because she thinks its from someone taunting her that they know about her relationship with LIIVI. So it seems like some know, but it's very few. Knowledge that Taldeer is actually pregnant would make her the biggest target in the galaxy.

Just double checking, hubworlders are space dwarfs, right?

>>54670291
For who? Why would people care?

>>54670898
The Emperor getting Isha pregnant is the signal that the End Times have begun. For a human to get an Eldar pregnant in general is therefore deeply suspicious, and people in the know consider it a sign that the End Times are soon to begin.

So, random question--would interspieces marriage be allowed in this universe? For example, would Eldar and humans be allowed to be husband and wife (or husband and husband or wife and wife if either of those is your fancy)? How about Tau and human? Eldar and Tau?

No, I'm not trying to magical realm this setting, I'm actually interested in the nitty gritty of it and the social issues it raises/resolves.

>>54671008
So...Cultists would flip their shit? Think LIIVI/Taldeer are the true Emperor/Empress? Think that if LIIVI/Taldeer are put down, the apocalypse can be averted? Goblin king wants to steal the baby?

>>54670872

Almost. They are humans, 100% normal (genetically) humans, that grows up in one of the galatic center core world with exceeding gravity that forces their body to adapt from fraily puny manlings to a powerhouse of muscle and a heart that pumps like a double V-8 engine. Kinda like catachans, just with orks and stones instead of semi-tyranids and jungle.

Culture tho, is 99% dawi. Just a lot more innovative.

>>54671569

For Eldar, it is quite difficult. An Eldar is like an Asari, living for 1000 years (if no bad things happen), just that they don't 'move on' easily from deaths of their partners, and this can cause a chain of spiralling sadness that affects the entire local eldar community. Human can scrape it with rejuvenant, but Tau... not so much. That and it seems a bit like pedo for them, the time needed for the mind to mature. Also culture clash. Except for Cadians and Ulthwe, or Saim-henn and Savlars and Chogoris or Fenrisian. They get along -fine-.

For Tau, they can get along well enough with humans, with the age-difference a smaller issue but culture clash might still stiffen some part of further relationships. They think Eldar have the 'righter' mindset than a Human, with the Greater good of their community being placed above selfish gains. Also, Greater Good > Personal Love, for some, so not technically dissuaded... slightly frowned upon.

Humans think the Eldar are a bit too pricky, stick up their asses and etc. And the Tau's lack of a nose might be a bit off-putting for some. Humans' opinion are... too diverse to recount, as much as when a Muslim marry a Christian today. Completely normal and encouraged by some, frowned on by some, and RAAAEEEEGGEEE from some. Many just ignores.

>>54670872
Yes. But they are not actually abhuman, their shape is the result of spending formative years in high gravity. AdMech classed them as such because it would annoy them.

>>54670898
If it was proven that the father was LIVII then it would look very bad on her record. Although Assassins are outside the chain of command he is still her subordinate.

It's possible that most or all of the Old Cadian 203rd know or really strongly suspect but they are very loyal to their Colonel-Farseer.

The majority of people meeting her would just assume she was incautious with an eldar civilian.

>>54671569
For Tau it would be breaking caste in principle though it would not result in a half caste child. It would be frowned upon hard.

For the eldar a relationship with either a human or a tau is a very temporary diversion, excluding humans on rejuvenants. It would get them looked at weird.

>Enter Clearance
>Password: ***************
>Verifying...
>Commencing biometric scan...
>Verified. Welcome, Inquisitor.

OPERATION: GREEN ZINC OLM (Hateful Heart 1227)
SOURCE: Ordo Xenos, Divisio Barbarum, Deep Field Recon 180
AUTHOR: Inquisitor IVORY MILL
[Context: observation of Ork Attack Moons operating against the Tyranids in the Octarius Theater]

We have confirmation that the Orks have begun repair operations within the hulk of the Attack Moon *Bugzappa*. The Orks have begun transferring vast quantities of raw materials, parts, grot workers, and assorted industrial machinery into the interior of the Attack Moon, along with Meks from multiple systems. This is confirmed by long-range telescopic observation, intercepts of vox transmissions, and analysis of traffic types and patterns. It is safe to assume that this means the Tyranid infestation on board has been suppressed.

Progress on repairs is difficult to estimate; the Meks and grot workers are focusing on interior components of the hulk first, precluding direct observation. I assume they are trying to restore FTL capabilities to move the *Bugzappa* to a safer location before more Tyranid forces arrive.
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>>54671955
Closer observation by stealth shuttles or servitor probes was prevented by a previously unknown type of energy field, apparently a distant relative of the Shokk Attak Gun. It creates a wide planar field of uncontrolled micro-teleports, shredding any matter passing through the boundary. The field is projected by several hundred unmanned emitters in a rough shell around the *Bugzappa*. It is apparently nearly harmless to large vessels equipped with void shields, as such vessels have been observed moving through the field with impunity; however, small and unshielded vessels have no such protection. Although this is mere speculation, I suspect this was designed to prevent Tyranid infiltration and sabotage attempts using small, stealthy bioforms. The design bears the hallmarks of Big Mek Baddkrasha. Since the *Bugzappa* is also his design, a personal interest in its repair is not unexpected. I assume he is also in-theater, although vox-traffic does not refer to his presence directly.

Assuming Baddkrasha's presence, based on the amount of materials and labor flowing in I estimate they can have FTL repaired in around a week. Without Baddkrasha's presence, two to three weeks. This assumes repair of the FTL system is their primary goal.

I will continue to observe the repair efforts of the *Bugzappa*. Once it warps out, I will move to re-acquire contact at the major shipyard systems under uncontested Ork control in Octarius. End report.

>End file
>Logging out...
>Good hunting, Inquisitor.


Thoughts?

>>54671961

Dun dun dun! Shit's going down, hard!

Wonder why they don't... lure more tyranids there. Or, you know, slip a word to Kryptmann. He would foam at the mouth at the chance to get something that -eats- Tyranids for breakfast (the super-shield thingy.)

On second thought... nah, what harm could it be?

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>>54503379
>>54665086
>>54670291

I can't believe no one's posted this yet, which I assume is now accepted as "canon" or fanon in this AU?

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>>54671961
Is Baddkrasha something you made up because he sounds like an interesting character. He has made a bug zapper the size of an astronomical body. That is fucking awesome.

>>54655643
Where would you even start at this point?

Best way to navigate is just to go here

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Category:Nobledark_Imperium

and dip into the categories as you like.

>>54574924
I would have it where there is no overwhelmig majority religion in Ultramar.

Macragge itself is predominantly of the old Herite polytheistic beliefs but there is a fairly large population of Yechudists. There are other faiths also, the 3rd largest being (for no reason anyone has been able to find a sensible answer to) Catachan polytheism.

Chaplain Cassius is an odd example. He was raised as a Herite and took his vows as a Herite and is an ordained priest of the Herites. He is also word perfect in the scripture of the Yechudists and is as close to being a Rabuni as it is possible to get without actually being one.

Titus is a child of Yechudism, very much so in fact. One more psychological barrier that makes him dealing with Mira extremely awkward. To Titus Cassius is a Rabuni in all but name and does listen to what he says most of the time. When he assumes the old bastard is being serious at least. "For gods sake fuck a cghild into her and be done with it" for example is not, to him, Cassius being sensible. But Cassius is an old man and old folks have earned the right to not being sensible all the time.

The Cadians recently taking the position of the Varangian Guard in Ultramar has added a 4th religion to the ecumenical game and upset a lot of people.

People, the eldar in particular, assume that Heranna is an equivalent to Isha by another name. This is neither confirmed nor denied by anyone, least of all Isha.

>>54672621
Actually that screen cap came from this AU, it's from one of the earlier threads.

>>54673767
In canon, he made a crown that disrupted Tyranid synapse control and carved a bloody swathe through the swarm before the Deathwatch assassinated him to keep the stalemate going. Found him by looking through Lexicanum for notable Ork Meks.

>>54671672
There are also the eldar and human supremacist movements who see a mix in of the people as the same as extinction.

>>54678355
>We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Eldar children.

>>54670898
Crone Eldar, Dark Eldar, Craftworld Dorhai, the Sapiens Supremis movement (who have already tried poisoning Sreta, but likely for different reasons), the Fallen, indeed just about anyone associated with the Dark Gods, every two-bit rebel commander who had their rebellion put down by the Kronus Liberators, radical Inquisitors, the list goes on.

Plus there's the issue of where the baby came from. Eldar pregnancies require multiple conception events, so it would be really hard for them to get pregnant accidentally. You have the issue of fraternization between rank on top of the more pressing issue of A HUMAN AND AN ELDAR ACTUALLYPRODUCED A VIABLE CHILD HOLY FUCK. And of course >>54671008.

>>54671569
>>54671852
>>54671873
Human-Tau relationships would probably not be frowned upon as hard as inter-caste relationships, given that the latter has had centuries to be culturally established and there would be no chance of a mixed-caste child. It would be like if hermaphroditic aliens came to earth. Would marrying one be considered homosexuality or heterosexuality? It would simply be outside of our cultural context.

That said, I would assume it would probably be pretty uncommon though because of the "break caste in principle" thing.

>>54677585
Good on you, we need more orks.

>>54680459
>>54671008
It's more than that.

As Isha is the goddess of fertility among the eldar she sets the rules, though in her diminished states perhaps not at a conscious level.

Eldar can breed with other eldar because they are her children.

Humans are now her children by adoption, that makes them in some weird way closer to the eldar.

If one of the eldar gets with child by a human then the barrier between humans and eldar are starting to break down.

If she participates in bridging the gap between the species then there really isn't a meaningful gap between the species. In the long run they will mingle, they will both become become impure.

The eldar and human supremacists won't attack Macha or Isha because that would be suicide and also unthinkable but if the trial run that is Taldeer and Lofn can be terminated before shit gets irreparably changed then they may yet save the purity and survival of their kind.

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>>54680459
>tfw your wife wants a kid so you have to learn advanced xeno calculus to figure out how to impregnate her

>>54681768
Or just, y'know, fuck her a whole lot.

>>54681836
This is probably more likely how it happened. Taldeer had no reason to believe pregnancy was even an option. Give the estimated time of conception and the events of the Kronus Campaign it was probably stress relief as much as anything and Lofn as a surprise to everyone except, it seems, Eldrad.

Which given that at 999M41 Taldeer is in the last month of pregnancy and Eldrad has predicted that he will not see his grand daughter with the eyes he has now it can be assumed that Eldrad has only a matter of days left before his body finally gives up.

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What sort of a man should Logan Grimanr be in this AU?

>>54682034
I hate to be focused on this, but do we know what gestation time is? And when did Taldeer realize that the puking, sweats, cravings, and mood swings were something more? A slight woman like Taldeer would be noticeably pregnant way before this last month, at least if we're going by human standards.

>>54682411

A flawed, but good man. Prideful, hot-headed, drunkard,... all the standard traits of a Fenrisian. Yet his pride stem from how he is utterly and selflessly commited to his work - that of the bulwark agaisnt the darkness. He is hot-headed, yes, for how dared he waste time as innocents died? Yet he was not a simpleton, his hot-headedness belied a mind of great intellect and cunning, weapons he put to great use agaisnt enemies of mankind. He drinks, yes oh hell does he drink, yet it was not out of base decadence, not (only) for dulling the senses but to treasure his memories. For what better ways are there to honour the fallen, than to make sure their memories lives on, that for their sacrifices, we are here, living?

Enjoys contesting with the Sons of Sanguinus and the Eldar of Saim-henn for the title of 'Best shocktroop in the universe' and gets along with anyone valueing 'courage', 'duty' and 'honour' just fine.

>>54682034

Hell, even if his body gives up he sure as hell wouldn't. First ticket to wraithbone guardian body - here Foxy Ol' Grandpa go!

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>>54683299
From the amount of twins more commonly birthed by Eldar much like armadillos and have enough to use a constant supply of twin-based wraithlords. It is believed that Eldar have a 12 months pregnancy unlike Humans, where the Eldar body can delay fertilization for 3-4 months unconsciously. Then the Eldar mother can give birth to a single child or twins and up to quadruples aren't too rare.

>>54683299
I've heard 2 years. Admittedly, this doesn't seem to be an official source, but official documentation has their gestation period as "multiple years". 2 years makes sense both with nature (the longest gestation periods in nature are baleen whales at 18 month and elephants at 22 months), and with in-universe logic (there is supposedly a correlation between psyker power and gestation time, like it takes longer to grow a more powerful soul).

We do, however, know that eldar have less debilitating pregnancies than humans. Eldar seem to see no difference between men and women in warfare, whereas humanity's bizarre method of reproduction has made it difficult for women to fight until recently (because pregnant humans can't pick up a sword). And then there's Commorragh. Canon says that Dark Eldar often do give birth naturally in addition to vat-born, to the point that there's units of trueborn Eldar and the Wych cults have been known to give birth. This suggests Eldar pregnancies are much more like other animals than humans, because there is no way an Eldar that is as bogged down as a eight-month pregnant human would ever survive in Commorragh (even the nobles, since intra-Kabal assassinatiom abounds).

So Taldeer could have probably kept it hidden longer than a human could after she knew.

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Religio Mortem
>Death Cults

The religion is believed to have either one God that comes in the form of three figures or three gods acting the same. The first and oldest of three is Hal, which is the mistranslated of the word Hell, and that is an older mistranslation of the name Hel. In the form of Hal, the god is a female Human who wears a pitch black hood with matching cloke that light can't escape. It is she who reaps the dead to be tortured for eternity or lay them to rest in peace. How accurate and based off of Aza'gorod is Hal is anybody's guess, although the death cultist does worship and welcome death. Another form is Apepoatl the Dark Serpent with shadowy feathers who devour those that refused to transition to death from limbo. The name is thought to be from somewhere near Merika and Nord Afrika probably mistranslated. Said to follow the shadow of the sun, it brings with it war and chaos for those near the unwilling to die. The very nature of Apepoatl has made some to outlaw its worship as the Dark Serpent also required blood sacrifice from a heart to be summoned. Last and not least is the fiery red Germberus the Guard Hound who protect the dead from being disturbed as it is the first and last barrier between the living and the dead. Some also say Germberus also has multiple heads but that changes from planet to planet. It is thought Germberus to have the origins of Astral Hounds and myths of Ancient Terra. Almost all Space Marines and Eldar don't ever worship Germberus as the core tenet for this god is to never revive the dead in anyway.

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>>54686108 (cont.)

As the religion itself has its foundations on Terra, it has becomes increasingly decentralized as it follows the expedition fleets of the Great Crusade. At M40, there are multiple different interpretations and variations on the depiction of the gods but there are common features most agree on. The most infamous Death Cultist is believed to be Mortarion but the question of him actually believing in death gods or worshiping them is entirely up in the air. These death cults do tend to collect the suicidal, insane, and serene zealots of the Imperium. The cultist themselves wish to die, spread death in the most efficient way possible, comes to term with death to find peace, or a combination. Unsurprisingly, the Assassin Temples also prefer to recruit from the death cults as these cultist have proven time and time again that they are willing go to any lengths to kill a target. Some worlds have also associated Religio Mortem with Chaos, specifically to Mala, Nurgle, and Khorne. It is not unusual for the Death Cults to be driven underground when some places outlawed them. Even the more criminal elements in a Death Cult will work as assassins for hire. The most famous use of dearh cultist is during the failed assassination attempt of the Traveling Court. This was when Inquisitor Feydor convinced death cultist to work for him when trying to kill the Imperial Family. The Imperial Army has also frown upon death cults within its ranks as it has the stigma that it turns soldiers' will weak and turns them into suicidal cannon fodder instead of effective warriors. That is not entirely true as even when these death cultist are suicidal, they will try to kill as many enemies as possible while dying.

>>54680459
>Sapiens Supremis

I'm guessing they're a human (?) supremacist movement. Any write up of them yet?

>>54686788
Wait, I thought the Death Cults were a catch-all term for such religions outside of Old Earth, with beliefs varying wildly from world to world. The Assassins were essentially just another death cult until they got backing in the form of the nascent Imperium.

>>54688228
I don't think so, beyond being human supremacists and having tried to assassinate Sreta (if someone knows otherwise, please correct me). There was kind of an implication in Sreta's lore that someone poisoned her somehow that makes her look prematurely aged (She looks like Eldrad, despite being much younger. She is described as looking much older than she should and the implication is whatever it is isn't natural.) It could have been from that (unless the original writefag who mentioned both wants to clarify) but at the same time it's not like Sreta has a shortage of enemies.

>>54689082
It was also mentioned to be a pre-imperial religion that sprung from Old Night or earlier, and the assassin death cult just gained a disproportionate representation because it's the one local to earth.

>>54684999
>>54684983
>>54683299
The multiple years gestation and eldar women not being as debilitated by pregnancy could both be the result of them being able to put the embryo in abeyance until it's a safer time to have the child. An ability almost certainly engineered into them by the Old Ones.

It would be possible for an eldar woman to collect a few young before gestation resumes through as they are the result of different conceptions, perhaps not even the same father, they would be considered siblings but possibly not twins.

As the consensus seems to be that an uninterrupted pregnancy is still longer than a human one we could just assume it's like Tolkien Elves and have it at ~1 year.

Taldeer then would have conceived at the start of 999M41 and would expect to have Lofn at the end of the year or start of the next one.

Perhaps by the time she realized what was going on it was already too late to suspend the foetus.

In the case of the Dark Eldar I think it's a matter of prestige that they can arrange matters in such a way as to be safe for long enough to have the child. Every child is a bragging right proclaiming the cunning of the mother.

>>54689196
>nobody even punched me in by bitchy guts for a year
>you vatborn shits couldn't even go a week without a reaming from a wrack clearing you out

>>54686788
That is excellent.

Through in such a large Imperium there would be exceptions

>>54684720
One of the big changes I would have for High King Grimnar could be his attitude towards the Grey Knights.

In this AU the Grey Knights didn't genocide imperial citizens at Armageddon to find The Changeling.

Although it is possible to summon the Changeling it is impossible to hold it unless you know it's True Name and given that True Names to deamons are linked to their form and Changeling doesn't know it's true form this becomes impossible.

Grand Master Joros was maybe fatally wounded and already dying of a poisoned Chaos blade in the final days of the war. Knowing that they only had 1 more deamon to hunt and that he was finished either way he came up with the idea of summoning the Changeling. All Grey Knights know, at least theoretically, basic summoning and binding. Allthough Changeling could not be held in a summoning circle it could be installed in a mortal body in a form of forced possession.

So that's what they did. Joros summoned it, forced it to possess him, had Librarian Umbrane and his acolytes ready to perform a banishing ritual with Logan Grimnar standing by with an axe ready to bring down to complete the rituals completion.

It all went smoothly enough, possibly The Changeling didn't anticipate that the Grey Knights would be willing to sacrifice their leader in such a manner.

Logan was allowed to keep the axe which he named Morkai.

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>>54689196
There is also to take into possible consideration that eldar, like most mammals but unlike humans, might have a specific season in which they can have children.

I imagine that they would sync up with local planet seasons and craftworlds maybe imitate seasonal shifts with light level changes and a thermostat.

>>54690628
Is it wrong that I like this? Gets rid of one of the most grimderpiest parts of vanilla, and has a tragic sacrifice to it.

>>54693669
Thank you. Possibly it could be written better, I was in somewhat of a rush.

The idea is that the Grey Knights and the Space Wolves don't hate each other. The Wolves distrust the Knights for much the same reasons that Russ was wary of Magnus and the Knights seethe Wolves a little as well meaning but backwards idiots, again much like Russ and Magnus.

It's rivalry and mild distrust but it isn't actual hate. Grimnar took no joy, no joy at all, in bringing that axe down on Joros and the Knights don't give out their weapons as gifts to anyone.

>>54689082
I might write up something about Sapiens Supremis. They aren't going to be a big conspiracy like Alpha Legion or whatever, but they'll make another small antagonistic force.

>>54690628

I like that too.

>>54692917

That picture is ADORABLE.

I don't know what interstellar travel might do to a seasonally-triggered heat cycle, but perhaps a more catlike version of going into heat at (more-or-less) regularly spaced intervals might be less easily disrupted.

Just a quick idea for Colonel-Farseer Taldeer's arms and armour as we are getting to the end of a thread.

Cadian "soup bowl" helmet slightly adapted for not crushing her ears. Built in radio.
Osmotic Gill type gas mask and night vision goggles that clip together and neatly slot into the face of the helmet providing a full gas mask.

Standard Cadian plain issue underwear set.
Basic issue fatigues with rank insignia inexpertly sewn on

Cadian-flack greatcoat. Combat webbing and a medium sized backpack.

Standard size 7 boots.

Armed with standard issue laser pistol and combat knife.

Additional equipment in the form of a psychic focusing staff.

Taldeer was gifted by Eldrad of the same family a psy-focusing crystal before she left Ulthwe, it is assumed that this is inside the ork skull atop the staff. Originally the shaft of the staff was ribbon tree wood with copper wire running over the surface but was replaced after breakage in the conquest of Kronus when it was used as an improvised club. Staff shaft is now made of some sort of lightweight titanium alloy.

The ground end of the staff was altered by a wandering tribe of Jokaero that attached itself to the regiment for a short time. In exchange for the regimental banana crate they upgraded much of the regiments equipment. Taldeer's staff now ends with a retractable piston spike.

Pointless post-300 bump

What should be the starter subject of next thread?

>>54700333
First, bump limit is 310 now. Second, I suggest Orks. We still have virtually nothing about them.

>>54701572
Chaos orks, kinetic kill roks, attack moons, and great warbosses of history