First for Papa Einchurt

A few things to bump the thread and stir some discussion.

I know Imperial Xenos got shot down, and I've more or less come to peace with that. But what about Chaos? If there's any faction that is going to put their ideology before racial bias, it's chaos. It would be funny if Chaos was on average more Metropolitan than most Bumfuck Imperial Worlds. Something to think about


Another is having Rogue Traders be a completely neutral economic faction, allowing for trade between the Imperium and Separatists, even though they are in various states of conflict. I thought about having them trade with Chaos on the border, but I figured that may be too much

>>55051335
I was under the impression there would be grey market trade between the states. RT may be given priviledges yeah. Which adds interesting dynamics for the Corsairs as many of their Warrants of Trade were granted by the Emperor himself and so are sacrosanct to the point even the High Lords can't touch them.

>>55051335
I have no problem with Chaos Xenos, Nurgle or Khorne would probably love Orks right? I think that it does happen in OU anyway its just not a big thing right?

As for the RT's existing outside either faction I do really like it. I suggested something similar myself WAAAAY back. They could have something like a Pirate city in they grey area or something ruled over by whichever RT is the most powerful at the time? Space Onion Knight like smugglers and stuff like that I think is a great idea. But yeah might struggle to work with Chaos except for the most desperate but even they would probably get black balled if anyone found out?

>>55051483
Ooh, that's a good point. I support this fully.

>>55051602
I like where you're going with this, both of these, actually. Stormboyz are a thing and I think Rogue Traders are going to be Rogue Traders, but as you say, working with chaos is a bit far and very hard to come back from.

>>55051602
That'll p much always be the Corsairs legion master slash Keita dynasty guy.

The Corsairs as the intermediary was something I liked.

So, Raj and I talked a bit about the continued life line of the Great Jousts.
The Winning Legion hosts the next Joust in 10 years time on their home planet or Battle barge if home planets are unavailable (Valorn).
Instead of an entire suit of Armour the winner is gifted with a custom left Shoulder Guard to signify the honor of winning (This is so it can fit into whatever Armour the character would normally wear like Terminator for terminators or whatever).
The first one was in 855.M30 so the 2nd would be 865.M30 on Miletus. Who wants to call shotgun?

>>55053305
I might do one of the later ones.

One thing we need to keep in mind when writing these, is that not all the Primarchs have been discovered yet. Perhaps it'd be a good idea to hammer out those discovery dates first, lest we run into any awkward contradictory situations.

>>55053633
Yeah the Primarchs might not be found but the Legions would still be invoted i suppose.

>>55053649
But that also leads to situations where legions aren't what they're supposed to become yet; different names, heraldry etc. The Ist legion would still be the Immortals, for example.

>>55053658
Yeah which is why I didn't reference them in my short. Whoever is writing might have to do a bit of research I guess.

>>55051483
>>55051602
Then it seems that Rogue Traders subscribe to the Separatist school of thought that they only owe fealty to the Emperor Himself, the Imperium and the Union States, and perhaps even the more organized Traitor terrotories bordeing non-Chaos space, being lesser constructs and irrelevant to their Warrants.

The Lords of Terra really don't like this, and I imagine that there would be a not insignificant Ordo dedicated to policing Rogue Traders, and Filibusters using the Warrant as cover for clandestine operation, as best they can. Their war with the Corsairs shadow cells would be a secret one, as to strike down a Rouge Trader for seemingly (to the rest of the Galaxy) no reason would set a dangerous precedent.

As for Chaos Orks, the only reason its not more significant is because at the psychic level these Orks ping to others as "un-orky" and are subject to krumpin'. With a comparatively organized Traitor state, these Orks would be afforded better protections and space in which they can fight and trade with impunity. As for Chaos Eldar, the only evidence we have for such a thing is a Black Library book of dubious canonicty. As for Minor Xenos there is a slew of Xenos that freely worship the Ruinous Powers, but in OU they are either so minor it doesnt matter or they were wipped out.

PROMPT:
What was The Emperor's plan for your primarch? I. e. What was their role to be in the Imperium after the Great Crusade?

>>55055774
Being a friendly fuck maybe? I don't know. Maybe Empy created Linares to warmonger, nothing much more. But yup, I dunno

>>55055774
The Emperor had two plans for Raj. On one hand, he was made to interface with the gigantic Titanicus warmachines. Most of his sons posses this ability as well, but the Titanicus never accepted marines as Princeps.

After the Crusade, Raj was intended to become one of the greatest architects in the Imperium. I have never really expanded on it, but part of Raj's cunning in the art of siegecraft comes from the fact that he has great knowledge of how to build fortresses himself.

>>55055774
Lambach was to be a fountain of knowledge. The greatest teacher. He was essentially meant to become 40k Wikipedia.

>>55055774
The Great Crusade was never meant to end for Einchurt, he was the Emperor's destroyer.

>>55056622
Maybe Linares and Einchurt were created for that purpose, with different focuses: While Einchurt would gas the entire planet, Linares would assault it and take control of it throught sheer skill tactics

>>55056963
I could see that, Einchurt being the one to deal with really bad shit, Linares the one to deal more with humans and shit.

>>55057265
Maybe just things that don't deserve utter extermination, or in places where that is not practical

>>55055774
History is written by the victors, but who alive would be worthy to tell it?

Kinnévail was always meant to be Lord of Propoganda, the peopliest people person, meant to quell rebellions before they even happen.

Not necessarily a statesman, but certainly a politician, and philosopher and mouthpiece of the Imperium.

>>55055774
Valorn was probably intended to be the Imperial Spymaster. He know how to stealth good

>>55055774

Deshain Kane was planned to be the emperors enforcer. Uphold the law and take care that the people follow it.

>>55055249
>Chaos Eldar
There's actually a panel in the 8th Edition BRB that suggests that Chaos Eldar are indeed a thing. Makes sense, I think. (Though could you imagine what the rules would be like? Even faster and glass-cannonier?)

>Rogue Trader Stuff
Hell Yeah. I support this.

>>55055774
>Elsu
Elsu was made for fightan and winnin and krumpin gits wot fink dey's bettah dan de Emperah.
Nah, in all seriousness, he was the warhawk. Elsu was intended to be something of an adrenaline junkie and outsider. The feathers were an accident. In his friendship with Kincaid, he was doing pretty much exactly what he was intended to do. Post Crusade, he'd have been there to serve as devil's advocate and an inspector for the various realms of humanity.
>Gyahdred
Gyahdred was intended to be the Imperial technologist. While the Emperor would have preferred him trained under the Terrawatt clans, one might surmise that being cast out towards the forges Stovokor, Tindalos, and Isekyo in the North Eastern Imperium, all noted for their deviant machine cult was no accident.

>>55064270
The Dusk Phantoms directly administer several types of area. For most of the Union, Dusk Phantom presence takes the form of watch fortresses. They're basically Deathwatch Fortresses.

There's also advisory groups on Manufactora and Forge Worlds.

Primarily, however, there's a huge swathe of space run by the Dusk Phantoms. This has a lot of forges and resource worlds.
Not all forgeworlds are Dusk Phantoms controlled, though, or even follow the Cult of Stovokor. Nor do the Dusk Phantoms attempt to regulate much in the way of orthodoxy.
None the less, the majority cult across the union is that of Stovokor, just because they're the major center of power.
The three big ones up north are Stovokor, Tindalos, and Isekyo. There's also Incaladion and Anvilius towards the middle. Those two kind of have their own cults but are tight with the Dusk Phantoms.
Stovokor, Tindalos, and Isekyo I'll get to later. They're the oddballs, but with some general doctrinal and cultural similarities to suggest they were settled by the same sect of the early Mechanicum.

>>55064270
I updated my sheet a little bit to reflect Lambachs knowledge of Elsu now. Before I had it as the Matil ect name. I also added how Lambach sees himself.
>Elsu Eyanosa
Another Psyker more powerful than myself, I find my brother fascinating.
I know many of them see him as an abomination to be abhorred which I find absurd.
How easily could his... unique appearance have been transferred to myself or one of my brothers? Would any one of them have Elsu’s strength of character when dealing with such wanton character assassinations? I think not. Thankfully Elsu seems happy with a close knit group of friends such as myself, Marduk and Kincaid. Both brothers earn my undying respect for their fair treatment of Elsu.

>Lambach Kropor (Myself)
I realise that many of my brothers consider me ill prepared for the role I am to play and believe perhaps that I am unworthy of leading the people of the Imperium.
I see no reason to dissuade the notion, I'll simply allow my combat records to show for themselves exactly how efficient my Legion can be.
The truth is that I have no care for it. Unlike Mot or some others I have no desire to rule over a populace of cowering mortals. The people of Miletus lived happy lives in service to my Father's Imperium without my help and I imagine they will continue to do so.
At the end of the crusade it is my hope to simply guide Imperial governance using the vast array of knowledge at the disposal of the formidable minds my father has gifted my brothers and I.
I doubt our Father intended for us to rule, should the mortals stray to far from the path Father has laid down it will be our job to guide them back, not to force them, unless absolutely necessary.

I also fluffed up the homeworld a little bit.

Homeworld: Miletus. A world at peace well before the arrival of the Primarch.
Once, after old night, the setters of Miletus had worshiped ancient Terran gods and goddesses of Grecian or Roman mythology. Gods like Bellona the goddess of war, and violence. Voluptus the goddess of pleasure and delight, Janus the god of changing times and human advancement and perhaps most noticeably Hecate the goddess of Death, Sorcery and Rebirth. Eventually these gods were seen by the people for what they were, mere myths and legends and nothing more. The Planet stuck to the teachings of these gods as the planet thrived peacefully in doing so but open worship of them was met with disdain and ridicule.
When discovered, relatively close to Terra, on the great Crusade Miletus embraced the Imperial truth and joined the Imperial cause with no struggles. As Lambach Kropor had no need or desire to raise to power and the vast majority of the Imperial forces did not need to spend much time occupying the planet The Primarch was at first missed as he happily continued his everyday life. A Primarch could not hope to escape notice forever though and Lambach was in no way trying to hide. So eventually word reached the Imperial governors who immediately sent reports to The Emperor. The paradise world of beautiful architecture would soon become one of the most important worlds in the Imperium and primary recruiting grounds of the Chosen of Hecate Legion.

>>55055774
Pacha was meant to be a protector, but at the same time of the reassuring type. Much like Kincaid would conduct his propaganda through high oratory, Pacha would be more of a man of the people, and someone who easily brought the mood up. And perhaps to test as to whether a Primarch could be entirely separated from his bellic duties at some point.

Bump

>>55055249
I think SOME RT do, not all. But given RT can interact with Xenos as long as it benefits the Imperium, them doing so with Seps makes sense.

>>55055249
Also, High Lords likely appointed their own Warrants after the fact too. The ones the Corsairs have just fall under Emperor granted

>>55055774
Running the economics, facilitating exploration and expansion.

Bump

>>55065417
Good stuff. Again, I really like how decent Lambach is. Makes it all so much darker.
Do we want to do a campaign with Marduk and friends?

>>55067861
And I'd think that when things are good, Seps aren't as bad as Xenos. When times are bad, then they're just called heretics. But I think there's some variability in the relationship, if that makes sense. I'd assume at times they collaborate against common xeno foes, at very long distance.

>>55064891
>The Core Forges
The three biggest forges in the North East are Stovokor, Tindalos, and Isekyo. They are, for all intents and purposes, Dusk Phantom worlds, or perhaps one might say that the Dusk Phantoms Legion is an extension of these three forges. All were settled in remote antiquity by idiosyncratic sects of the Mechanicum and seem to have kept in sporadic contact throught Old Night.

>Stovokor
Space Tibet Technobuddhists. They're the main flavor of Dusk Phantom.

>Tindalos
Tindalos is even further north. They're a bunch of paranoid fuckers and do things like hide stasis crypts with legions of spare automata in elliptical orbits so that when the stars are right, reinforcements will fall from the heavens. They have titan hangers in subsurface vaults so that in times of need, giants will rise from the deeps.
They obsessively keep complex calendars looking for patterns in state changes and machine cycles. They're not half bad at it, either.
They're also rather fond of their automata, which they treat as valued hunting hounds or falcons.
The whole world has a sort of feral, predatory edge about it and is kept environmentally stable to mask the presence of the forges from orbital scans.
Their reasonably similar to Stovokor in philosophy, though they hold that pure reality is ultimately incomprehensible to rational minds. It is madness and anathema to life. (This includes Chaos, most Xenos, and natural Entropy.) Reason and order are imposed over this madness. tbc

>>55055774
I think we had this prompt already.

Ashur was supposed to become the administrator of infrastructure and logistics, maintaining and overseeing both planetary and interplanetary travel and communications.

>>55069968
>Tindalos cont
You can never destroy it, and you need some disorder in the system, but you keep it in control in the bits of a hostile universe that humanity inhabits, not by right, but by force and by will.
(As you might imagine, this is also a popular view in the Dusk Phantoms)
In this view, Motive Force Karma is not wholly linked to causality. Some of it is, but there is a whole universe beyond cause and effect and understanding. The Omnissiah is something of a demiurge that creates the stable bubble of civilization and order, life, etc through its agents of technology and life itself. The Cult of Tindalos seeks to moderate the extremes on both sides (though the chaoskampf is dominant). So here the Omnissiah is an emergent property of chaos eddies. Sanity exists in these bubbles and Tindalos preserves and protects these bubbles. From there practice with sutras and meditation is similar, but Tindalos is paranoid as fuck because they know that when the stars are right, unheilige things will descend from the stars and order and sanity will fail.

So they've got a Lovecraftian-Mesoamerican sort of deal going on, always struggling against the dissolution of all things.

>Isekyo
Isekyo is more south-easterly. They are, for lack of a better descriptor, Shinto.
For them motive force is universal and all things have machine spirits. They're about playing up the animistic aspect of the Mechanicum. The Omnissiah isn't terribly important in their thinking. It's mostly some sort of powerful 'kami', a particularly powerful machine spirit.
In their view, the universe works best when the machine spirits are left to do their thing. The universe is full of complex cycles and before you go mucking about in them, you'd best know what you're doing.
The way you come to understand this is through things like physics and alchemistry. They're probably the closest to what we'd think of as modern science, though they don't conceptualize it that way. tbc.

>>55070087
>Isekyo cont
For them, electrons move the way they do because of the machine spirits running about, etc.
There are, straightforwardly enough, good spirits and bad spirits. Bad spirits come from the warp and are the results of strong negative emotions and imbalances in the cycles of nature. That's why reimposition of those natural cycles can texorcise them.
Because you're a machine too, you can better understand other machine spirits by understanding your own.
The magi of Isekyo tend to have very clever vehicles and the like. Their Machine Spirits tend to be much more relaxed. (Less likely to overheat, etc) They also have fantastic arae shrikes, data-djinns, etc etc.


Just as in the real world, these views syncretize, and its not uncommon to see elements of all three in Dusk Phantom practice and across their space. The forges themselves compete and vie for position, but ideology isn't at issue, all three paths are equally right, as are some of the more hermetic interpretations.
Later I'll do a bit on the Titan Legions and the like.

>>55069968
This does lead me to a question.

Do the Separatists split? Do they have successors, or do they stick with their original legions?

>>55069968
We could probably do a campaign with them. I'd happily sort something out.
We should also pen some details for Gren

>>55048815
>Kincaid and the Burned Prophet.jpg
>some of the slaves have been spreading stories about the burned man again

>>55071036
Good question. Splitting would give some balance, and if the Primarch disappears would be difficult to keep the whole Legions together, so splitting would be almost natural.

>>55071036
Depends on the Legion I would say. The Liberators would undoubtedly stay whole, the Dragoons may fall victim to infighting and arrogance, the Phantoms may split due to dogmatic differences and to experience the Omnissiah with fresh eyes.

>>55071036
The Hounds certainly do. Most of their successor chapters (or the reasons behind the formation of most of their chapters) are born during an event called "The Breaking of the Pack". Long story short, Valorn vanished after Zelbezis was killed by member of his Iron Guard, however he left someone to reign over Hound territory (often known as the "Hound's Regency") in his stead. This someone was however not a marine or a primarch, but a Mortal. One Dia Adras by name, a descendant of Guragol and a major in Advent's own guard forces, the Advent Armoured Brigade. She was given this position partially as recognition of her skill, but mostly as a way for Valorn to test mortals, as he had begun to doubt his initial estimation of them in the wake of his Separatist brother's death. Her appointment was not without its opposition, primarily from the master of the second chapter, one Tybalt Kennan, who gathered to him a myriad of malcontents from within the legion.

He claimed that Dia was unfit to lead and so should be replaced by the marine who had more right to it. Not all agreed with this estimate, some out of faith in Valorn, others out of a distrust of the ambitious officer, but many did. Dia decided to nip Tybalt's little rebellion in the bud before he could choose too much disruption. So she invited him to a meeting, on a planet that is best described as "Neutral territory", apparently to discuss handing over control of the Hounds to him. Instead she blew off one of his legs with a plasma pistol and teleported in a squad of very nasty terminators to arrest Tybalt and exile him. Tybalt was sent to an Ork infested mudball at the edge of the Regency, with the promise that he would be allowed to return to the legion once the planet was Xenos free. Suffice to say he was never seen again.

Whilst this action won over many of the marines who had thought her incompetent or unsuited for the job it alienated many of Tybalt's diehard supporters.

>>55073860
As such, these supporters buggered off to form their own chapters and do things their own way. Without a singular leader they split into far smaller groups to chase their own agendas. Dia allowed this mostly because she'd wanted to minimise disruption and murdering everyone who wanted to leave would probably cause more than it would prevent. Thus these marines left the Hounds, but stayed in the regency, mostly because their problems were with the Mortal Regent, not with the marines who served them or the territory they governed.

Many of the Chapters born after the Breaking of the Pack were formed for similar reasons to those first chapters, disagreements over the conduct or decisions of a Regent. If these actions are significant enough, they can lead to a large number of like-minded individuals breaking off and forming a chapter.

Others form from the remnants of multiple chapters that have been pushed to the brink of extinction and been unable to recover alone, or are formed by the Hounds themselves for the express purpose of dealing with threats in a certain area/way, but these are in great minority to those formed over distaste for a Regent.

>>55073860
>Another female mortal successor

I don't know what this means, but it's indicative of something

>>55074064
She's a little more mortal than Eris. She's dead within a few decades and then her firstborn son Saracen takes over. He sets up a bunch of laws called the "Saracen Concessions" which give the chapter masters of the Pale Hounds more power over things, including the power to oust Regents and veto their decisions.

However in the case of the first a Regent has to have been in power for at least two years before they can be deposed and in the cases of both at least two thirds majority in favour is needed to enact a veto/ousting.

Also after a Regent is deposed their successor must be from a different line of the Adras family, of which there are four, named after Dia's children. They are the Saracens the Aurelian's, the Tiberians, and the Fayes.

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Don't you guys contradict your own stuff? A mortal leading a fiefdom in the union consisting of the astartes who split themselves from the imperium because they thought.it is their rightful place to rule over mankind?

>>55073860
>>55074000
>>55077999
Yeah, that does seem like something that'd be a problem. Having one of the seven constituent states be lead by a mortal is pretty much the only no-go for the Separatists.

>>55077999
I agree with you wholeheartedly

>>55077999
Is a good point, we should work it out

>>55077999
Yeah, that's the only problem I have with my own idea. I reckon that, if the Regents exist, the Hounds keep their very existence as much of a secret as they can from the other nations of the Union. But if people aren't at all happy with them as a thing I can scrap them and go a different direction. Maybe have Valorn not actually declare a successor leading to a brief conflict over who will lead? which ends in it being one of the chapter masters, possibly Tybalt? And after that the "Regent" just happens to be the highest ranking marine to hold the Geneseed of the previous Regent.

>>55078210
Maybe just an inherited position, that goes from chapter master to chapter master.

>>55073860
>>55074000
>>55074351
K, so lets forget these ideas for the Hounds cause they ain't seppy enough. Instead:
>The Master of the Hounds' first Chapter is known as the Regent, not simply of their territory, but of the Legion itself.
>Regent's control over the legion is less complete than Valorn's was, giving individual chapter masters a greater level of autonomy
>Valorn never declared an official successor before he vanished, so there was something of an argument about it initially
>half the chapter masters put their vote behind Tybalt Kennan, master of the 2nd whilst the other half voted for the first captain of the first chapter.
>Marines follow suit, privately or even publicly supporting one candidate or another.
>In the end the first captain is made Regent and Tybalt is banished for a variety of reasons
>Tybalt's banishment causes many of his supporters to abandon the Hounds to form their own chapters, though not a majority of the legion's members

>>55078595
This makes a lot more sense with how the Seps operate. I also like the idea of the Pale Hounds having to deal with hereditary disputes within the legion.

After the legion breaks, do the new chapters still attend some sort of council with their parent and brother chapters? I would imagine something like that would be recruired in order to keep the Hound's Regency together.

>>55071276
Gren?
>>55071305
Is there a Burning Man festival?

>>55071036
>>55073332
Less schism and more blend with the local cult.
See>>55069968
>>55070087
>>55070159

>>55081367
Grenthor is what I meant. Phone must of cut off the end of the word.

With McGregor defeated, it's time for me to retreat into seclusion and begin by drinking of a swimming pool of my own salty, salty tears

>>55055774
Je'She was meant to be the builder of cities, and their defender.

>>55065417
Looks good

>>55071036
The Corsairs don't really but operate in small groups with lots of independence. But they technically are under one Legion Master.

>>55084108
I imagine that Fillibusters tend to slip inbetween the cracks and develop their own agendas.

It would be funny to have a less memey Alpha Legion-alike that has a parent organization that pretends that everything is fine and they're in complete control but there's hundreds of pseudo independent cells that they desperately try to reign in or stamp out

Like the CIA back in the day

>>55084177
Somewhat, though hypno-indoctrination helps. Honestly, I see RT-Captains being more rogueish than Filibusters cus the latter is more reliant. Stuck behind enemy lines, it the truth gets out or they're hung out they'll be fucked.

That said, there is likely Sep division in how the Corsairs operate and their close ties to stuff in the Imperium and running the trade may comprimise them.

>>55084177
>>55084764
>The Corsairs are like the CIA

The Corsairs should totally try to abduct Kincaid at some point.

>Ernesto Valverde, Gran Maestre of the First Tercio, IVth Astartes Legion.

An always curious, excepcionally quiet for a Silver Blade, and calm soldier, Valverde was recruited by the Silver Blades shortly after the Ullanor Campaign. Although his swordsmanship skills were deficent, he proved himself in the use of ranged weaponry. Quickly sent to the Devastator training, Valverde's skills with all types of heavy weaponry made him worthy of wearing one of the Legion's Templar-Pattern Heavy Support Armors, nowadays known as proto-Centurion suit. His weapons of choice usually were Plasma Cannons and Volkite weaponry, which used with extreme efficency in many situations.

His actions in many battles of the Brotherwar reached the Gran Maestre’s ears, and Valverde became part of his retinue, where he demostrated an above-average understanding of both tactical and strategical situations. In a certain battle against the Separatists forces, Linares himself came under attack by several squads of Separatists, that quickly overwhelmed the Primarch and his retinue with a hail of bolt fire. In that dire situation, the Gran Maestre and his retinue charged into the enemy lines, allowing Linares and the Escogidos to charge too, and eventually clear the area. But the towering figure of the Primarch was an easy target for an enemy sniper, who adquired him, and was about to fire when Valverde, using his suit’s enhaced sensors, detected him and positioned himself between the Primarch and the gunman, while firing volleys of plasma fire. The gunman retreated, but not before taking a single shot against the Primarch, that was blocked by the armored skin of the Devastator.

Linares spoke long with this man after the battle, and saw a great potential on him. Shortly after this battle, another was fought, but this time, things went badly for the Silver Blades, and had to withdraw. Many died that day, including the Gran Maestre of the First Tercio.

>>55086639
Linares had little to think. He placed Valverde in charge of the whole Tercio, and the Brotherwar showed that this decission was a correct one, indeed. His skills in both battlefield and tactics helped the Legion in winning several battles.

But his most important trial was the Siege of Terra. The massive Battle pushed every single commander in chief present to the limits. The units were spread throught kilometers of frontline, overlapping with other Legions and Auxilia. Valverde showed both leadership when leading his men in battle, and initiative planning actions and movements.

When the Battle finished, Linares left, but placed him in charge of the Legion while he was not around. This way, Valverde became the First Among Equals, the firts Chapter Master of the Silver Blades. His was the duty of leading the remaining Blades during the Scouring, and when creating the sucessor chapters. He slowly gained the respect of most of the Primarchs, and organized the reconstruction of the Silver Blades Chapter.

>Viento de Poniente, Viento de Levante
>(Wester' Wind, Easter' Wind)

Of all the Kadirian cities, there was one in the coast that was permanently struck by these two winds. Its name was Zahr. The city had a long fishing tradition. They mostly fished what in Terra would be called "Tuna", using ancient methods, called "almadraba" by the Kadirians.

There were two young brothers that helped their father in such an art, called Jorge and Pedro. Although they were fairly simmilar physically, in character they were polar oposites.

While Pedro was cold-headed and a natural leader, Jorge was impulsive and a brute. When Linares reunited with the Legion, he sent enlisters to the major cities of the planet, to look for fresh blood for the Legion.

One of those enlisters ended up in Zahr, and enlisted the kids. They proved to be great warriors, both in range fighting and in melee. While Jorge was sent to the Assault Squads trainning, Pedro was sent to Leading courses, in order to make of him a better leader.

When they finished training, Pedro requested to join his brother's Assault Squad, and so he did. The squad was exclusively formed by fresh recruits, and all of them were eager to join the fray.

The squad was different from the later Assault Squads of the Legion, as it still retained the jump packs and the hit-and-run tactics. It was sent to their first Campaign shortly after, being part of the 3rd Tercio.

The Squad's first deployment was highly succesful, and they were quickly dispatched to another campaign. This time, against the green tide, the Orks.

They entered the battlefield along two other Squads, carried in the insides of a Thunderhawk Gunship. They jumped into the heart of the action, deep-striking near the Warboss. The squads were quickly cut-off as the greenskins pushed the Legion's lines back.

>>55086815
Pedro lead the Legionnaires to a small hill, were they defended their positions with bolt pistol and chainsword. The Warboss, seeing that his boyz couldn't break the defenses of the Astartes, charged into the fray. And there, started the end of the brothers' life.

The gigantic ork smashed throught his own boys, charging infuriated towards the Assault Marines. Some tried to stop him, but he quickly dispatched them. The Astarted surrounded him and attacked at once, but the warboss just ignored most of the wounds and killed some Astartes. Pedro was left without a plan, and Jorge just tried to find a weak spot to hurt the beast. Pedro joined his battle-brothers, charging towards the ork, and jumping in his back while thrusting his sword throught his thick skin. Jorge did his best fighting head-on the ork, but nothing could be done. The beast grabbed the Astartes and broke him in two, and then grabbed the other brother and did pretty much the same.

Both were left laying in the ground. Pedro saw how his brother entered sus-an, while feeling his own life scaping from his body. Then, the Membrane did its work.

Little more is rembered by those young Astartes. The Legion fought back and broke the orks' lines, reaching the hill and slaying the warboss. The Apothecaries saved most of the sus-an'd Astartes, but couldn't bring back from sus-an the two brothers. They were taken to Kadir, were the most experienced Apothecaries tried their best to bring them back. And they brought them back to life, but for a short time. Their wounds were too severe to asure full recovery, and they could easily die any moment. So they were interred in Comtemptor Dreadnoughts.

The Brothers are always deployed together. They have fought in the most brutal and decisive battles of the Great Crusade and the Brotherwar. They were there when the Apocaliptican was blown up during the Siege, and they will still serve the Emperor millenia after their interrement.

>>55086939
They are known for those two, opposed winds, Pedro is Poniente, the cold and calm wind, and Jorge is Levante, the hot and strong one. Pedro carries an Assault cannon and a power fist, while Jorge carries a dreadnought-sized power sword and a heavy flamer.

They can be possibly the most ancient Dreads in the Imperium, and they will serve for the rest of forever if necessary.

hurried bump

Is the Imperium gonna be executing 'Golden Crusades' against the Seperatists? I can imagine Kincaid going beyond the Imperial Ring and trying to convert worlds to the Imperial Cult. That would leave the Seps with a significant issue, even if they beat off the attacks; the religious worship.

>>55090175
And the constant threat. It could be a good possibility.

>>55079660
Yeah, beneath the regent is the Circle of Wolves, is a large council made up of the leaders (or at least representatives) of all the chapters of/descended from the Pale Hounds, excepting the Regent himself. The council works to enact the regents decrees and also exists as a forum for diplomatic discourse between the many chapters that reside within the Regency. It also mediates between these chapters in times of dispute In addition to electing new Regents when circumstances force them to (eg, when the Circle successfully passes a No Confidence vote in the Heir Apparent. This doesn't happen often, but it does occur).

Of course, the Pale Hounds have more power in this council than others, as they have fourteen times the representatives of any other chapter and thus fourteen times the votes. Whilst this doesn't mean as much in M41 as it meant when successors were fewer, it does provide them with a slight advantage.

Linares: I know I said you could drop a single shell in the area. But I also told you not to use *that* shell, Einchurt!

Silence at the other side of the radio. The Silver Blades awaited orders, surrounding the shelled area, a small, promptly fortified village where a handful of Forge Lords were garrisoned.

The Silver Blades and the Death's Heads were sent to deal with the remaining Forge Lords in the planet, a force that, although rather small, was well entrenched, mainly in a bigger city, thousands of kilometers away. Several point-defense anti-ship systems were located in the city, so it had to be taken from the ground.

They were on their way, but those little villages full of Forge Lords were on their path.

The Command Rhino stood still behind the Blades' lines, along another Command vehicle from the Death's Heads that served as a radio repeater for their troops.

Comms Officer: Señor, tenemos un mensaje del Kryptora.
Linares: ¿Qué dice?
Comms Officer: Que les da igual.

The Death's Heads standing nearby looked at the Lord of Ale, trying to decipher what he was saying. Meanwhile, another Legionnaire tried to fix and aerial of the Blades' Rhinno.

When the smoke and dust cloud raised by the single shell dropped by Einchurt dispersed, the Legionnaires could clearly see that, although the village had been utterly destroyed, their main objective was largely intact.

DH's Comms Off: Sir, we barely scratched them. Looks like a void shield. Another round?
Linares: If they have a void shield, it could be up when your shell hits again. And we can barely move with that much debris, so please, hold your fire.

>>55092314

The Silver Blades advanced, slowly at first, quickier when closer to the village. The Legion was using Rhinnos, as their enemies had formidable defenses and massive orbital assaults weren't a good idea at all.

The first line reached the village and quickly advanced towards the Traitor's fortress. No need to finish any Traitor outside. There was none, and the shell had already killed hundreds, if not thousands.

Linares and his staff were behind. He was responsible of the ground forces' coordination ("Einchurt is too busy shelling villages from orbit to care") and had to keep an eye on everything that happened. That prevented him from fighting at the first line.

Along the staff, there were a couple of squads with him. His Escogidos, and a Tactical Squad that was escorting the staff itself.

They moved slowly, carefully. The Tacticals advanced in front of them, covering every possible vector of attack, but let a couple of kids that somehow survived the attack to slip between their fields of fire. Linares saw them, they couldn't be too old. 4/5 y.o. most probably. Brothers, that's for sure. Were they injured? No, great. Then, how could they survive?

The huge Primarch got closer. The kids were about to run away. What were those...things? Clad in silver armor, carrying guns...They were scary. Similar to the ones in bronze armor, but different at the same time. These weren't so creepy. They were friends or foes?

Linares squatted near them they looked scared, yes. He offered them his friendly hand. An open, huge hand, covered in the same silver armor of the others. This one didn't carried a helmet, and was much taller. He looked like a nice person.

A man showed off, and ran to catch the kids. The Tacticals nearly shot him, the Escogidos almost charged him.

>>55092330

Linares: Eh, ¡Tranquilidad! Are those your kids yours, good man?
Man: Yes, yes...
Linares: I'm Linares, the Lord of Ale, Primarch of the IVth Astartes Legion. Son of the Emperor of Mankind. We are here to fight the Traitors hiding there (points at the fortress). Do you know any weak point or something that could help?

And the man guided the staff to an underground facility, with hundreds of people there. He signaled a closed door.

Man: This way, my Lord. This door leads directly to their fortress.

And the Blades attacked. The Forge Lords were taken by surprise, as several squads poured into their fortress with ease throught the underground facility.

Linares looked for the man to thank him, and found him along his wife and the children.

Linares: I'm happy that you all are fine. Your help was of much importance. Thank you.

The villagers were handed some blankets and food by the Legion's serfs, and the next morning, the combined might of both Legions was on its route towards their objective again.

+++Extract of Einchurt's Diary+++
"Today, I witnessed the fall of a fortress. Not an ordinary fall. Although we shelled it from orbit, it remained unscathed. The Silver Blades attacked, and took the fortress in a couple of hours, without even storming the walls.

How was this possible? I don't understand. Reports from both my Brother and my Officers in the ground point at the collaboration of a man that ran to catch his sons. My Brother, being who he is, couldn't help but to talk with the man, who showed him an underground entrance to the fortress. Why would someone want to speak with a mere villager, I don't know. It was useful, but truly, I can't understand my Brother.

Villagers are collateral damage, not any kind of help"

Seeing as Zharr-Hadad is bathed in the light of the Maelstrom, is it close enough to escape the revenge of the separatists after Mot's eastern crusade?

>>55094272

>>55096590
If you're going to bump like that, at least respond to my question.

>>55048815
>Attempt to get through the Brotherwar

>Determine what happens at the Battle of New Hope

>Determine when the Ruinstorm is created, and exactly who does it
As far as my limited knowledge goes it's created by the Forge Lords due to the ascension of Hashut. Exactly when that is, is something we have yet to work out
>Determinate how the Eastern Black Crusade goes down
>Figure out what happens during the rest of the Brotherwar

>Describe the Siege of Terra
Will write more on this
>Explain the Scouring
I would just assume the loyalists chase the traitors 'north' while the ruinstorm is still raging. Allowing the loyalists time and a chance to focus their depleted resources on only one front.
Another thought, would Pacha be absorbed into his planet during the scouring?
>Finish up the Rise of the Ecclesiarchy
Aren't we waiting on Lady Karamanov?
>Start the path towards the War of the Beast
I don't know enough about this to say anything about this
>Make sure more busts get done
Indeed

>>55097607
The Ruinstorm isn't created by the Forge Lords, I think. Hashut's ascension only makes it longer/stronger.

>>55097607
About the Siege, I wrote about it in the last thread I think. It's in my doc too

don't forget to buy another box of crayons to write with guys

>>55094272
That entirely depends. So far we haven't expanded on the Maelstrom too much, but if it stays the same size as before, Zharr-Hadad would still be in realspace. That would mean it's open to the Separatists wrath.

>>55097607
The OP hasn't really been updated in a couple of threads.

>Ruinstorm
Hashut doesn't create it, he extends it long enough for religion to properly fester in the Imperium.

>Pacha
I think he doesn't become a planet until later, but I could be wrong. Maybe during the first Black Crusade?

>Rise of the Ecclesiarchy
Yes, Lady Karamonov is picking that up. This is one of those things that simply hasn't been updated.

>War of the Beast
Yes, I realized that most wouldn't, including myself. It's still quite a major events that, in the OU, explains the severely reduced amount of marines by the 41st millenium.

>>55099076
Ah shit, thanks man, we almost forgot.

>>55090175
I'd also like to get into this a bit more.

Chaos is even more volatile this time around, compared to the original timeline. That results in the extensive Chaos Civil Wars, primarily between Chaos Doomsingers and Leviathan Host. This would logically give the Imperium more breathing room on the northern front, though Cadia and the like would still be a thing.

This breathing room can set the loyalists on the path of 'Golden Crusades', crusades where Imperial forces attempt to convert Separatist worlds to the Imperial Cult. The Seps could even set up counter-Crusades, if we're looking to go in that direction.

>>55099811
A certain kind of pull-push between the two Imperial factions trying to bring planets under their control? Is a good idea, indeed. Probably a better approach than constant war all along their border.

>>55099773
I'll be honest, I'd rather do our own thing than rehash the Beast.

>>55099811
>>55100165
I see Corsairs getting pulled in heavy on this, particularly given their outlying worlds aren't directly under their control OFFICIALLY, and thus likely there are internal politics of planets trying to use the Imperium against erstwhile lords, potentially.

Missionaries would likely not fair well though; a shadow war between the Corsairs assets and Ecclesiarchy ones could be fairly big.

>>55101346
What like a different Cataclysmic event all together or another Xeno force takes the place of the Beast and the resurgent Orkish hordes.

>>55101346
Agreed. We don't need to have 1-1 events with the OU.

>>55101346
I don't mind skipping it, but then we have to atleast give some sort of reason as to why it doesn't happen.

>>55097607
>>55099773
Tbh, I feel like defending vs a Black Crusade seems more fitting, as Pacha would only take his gambit to defend a planet, and not while on the offense.

>>55103818
Black Crusades would still happen, the Loyalists simply strike out on Crusades of their own.

>>55103696
The reason could be that Ullanor was Exterminatus'd and left barren, only settled millenia after, so the Beast wouldn't be able to start his Empire there.

Maybe the orks themselves don't start to fight so viciously, instead, they just wage war as usual, beating and being beaten, so a warboss so fed with war like the Beast is improbable, thus nearly nulifying the probability of a Waaagh! that huge

I'd like to preface this by saying I'm sorry.
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Thunderhawk scene

On an airstrip overlooking a grey city rocked by artillery fire, a minimally decorated Corsairs Gallant marine, flanked by two others, stood in front of a Stormbird Transport. The Corsair, Cadmis Israfel Akiovius, watched the Land Raider pull up. Several marines in black armor jumped out of the tank, the marine driving the Land Raider shoving a magos in front of Cadmis.

“Magos Pavelnis, I’m Corsairs.” Cadmis said to the frightened arch-magos. Magos Pavelnis nodded. Cadmis handed the black-clad marine a dataslate.

“He wasn’t alone.” The driver spoke plainly. Three Astartes is white and yellow armor were pulled out of the Land Raider, bags over their heads. Confused, Cadmis looked at the magos, and said, “You don’t get to bring friends.”

“They are not my friends.” Replied the arch-magos. “Don't worry, no charge for them.” The black-clad marine said to Cadmis. “Why would I want them?” Cadmis asked. “They were trying to claim your prize.” The black-clad marine replied, “They work for the Doomsinger. The Burned Prophet.” “Kincaid?” Cadmis replied, the driver nodding. He turned to his fellow Corsairs and gave his commands. “Get them on board - I'll call it in.”

The Thunderhawk took off and flew over the nearby mountains. The winds were strong; strong enough to make even the sturdiest airship struggle. The three hooded marines were sat down by the side doors of the Thunderhawk, kneeling. Cadmis addressed them.

“What are you doing in this system?” Cadmis inquired. None of the Doomsingers replied. Cadmis drew his Bolt Pistol. “The flight plan I just gave to our battle-barge lists me, my men, and Magos Pavelnis here. But only one of you!” Cadmis opened the Thunderhawk’s side door. Two of the other Corsairs dragged one of the Doomsingers into the howling wind.

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>>55105585
“First one to talk gets to stay on this transport!” Cadmis shouted over the howling winds as he loaded his Bolt Pistol. “So, who ordered you to extract magos Pavelis?!” No reply. Cadmis fired out of the opened door as the two other Corsairs dragged the Doomsinger away and clubbed him out.

“He didn’t fly so good! Who wants to try next?” Cadmis yelled as his Corsairs dragged out the second Doomsinger. “Tell me about Kincaid! Why does he wear the mask?!” The Doomsinger said nothing. Cadmis pushed the Pistol against the Doomsinger’s temple, but got no reply. “A lot of loyalty, even for an Imperial!”

“Or perhaps he was wondering why someone would shoot a man before throwing him out of a Thunderhawk .” The last Doomsinger said. Cadmis turned to the final prisoner and asked: “At Least you can talk! Who are you?”
“It doesn’t matter who are. What matters is our plan.” The prisoner said calmly, as Cadmis pulled the hood off of his head, revealing a burned man covered in bandages and a breathing apparatus covering his face. “No one cared who I was until I put on the mask.” “If I pull that off, will you die?” Cadmis replied. The burned man spoke again: “It would be extremely painful…”, Cadmis interrupted him, “You’re a big guy.”

“...for you”

The Thunderhawk stabilized as they cleared the mountain range. “Was being caught part of your plan?”, Cadmis asked, seemingly unphased by the reveal of who was underneath the hood. “Of course.” The Doomsinger replied, “Magos Pavelis refused our offer in favor of yours. We had to know what he told you about us.” “I’ve said nothing!”, the magos yelled through the aircraft. Cadmis smiled at his prisoner. “Well congratulations, you got yourself caught! Now what’s the next step in your master plan?”

“Crashing this Thunderhawk …” Kincaid rose from the ground and broke through his restraints without any effort, “...with no survivors!”

>>55105617
Before anyone had a chance to react, several power weapons tore through the outer hull of the Thunderhawk. Bolter fire quickly filled the aircraft, tearing the Corsairs present apart. The Burned Prophet lunged forward and brought his fist down upon Cadmis’ face, crushing it upon impact.

The Doomsingers on the outside of the Thunderhawk jammed metal hooks into the hull and tied cables between them and the Stormbird flying over them. The Thunderhawk’s pilots quickly lost control, causing the aircraft’s nose to dip down. The wings tore off; their very lives were now in the Doomsingers’ hands.

The Burned Prophet, Kinnévail Kincaid, hung off of one of the metal bars running through the ship, looking down at the pile of bodies now at the bottom of the Thunderhawk. He jumped down as several marines blasted off the top of the dangling Thunderhawk and climbed inside. He acted quickly. He grabbed Magos Pavelis, who had hidden himself away, and pulled him in. Meanwhile, two of the newly arrived Doomsingers dropped the body of another, different magos down the Thunderhawk, on top of the other corpses.

As the Doomsingers prepared to extract their genesire and the magos from the Thunderhawk, Kinnévail placed his hand on one of his gene-sons’ shoulders. “No!”, Kinnévail said to the Astartes, “They expect one of us in the wreckage, my son!” Without flinching, the Doomsinger nodded. “Have we started the fire, father?”

“Yes! The fire rises!” Kinnévail said triumphantly. He pulled the magos close to him, who was clearly panicked. “Calm down arch-magos, now is not the time for fear. That comes later.”

With the push of a button, the Thunderhawk gave way beneath them, crashing down towards the planet below, leaving Kinnévail, along with his sons and the magos, hanging in the air.

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>>55105585
>>55105617
>>55105640
I hope you're proud of yourself.

>>55105585
>>55105617
>>55105640
I find difficult to understand the whole plot.


Cadmis should have ripped the mask off Kin's face

>>55105585
>>55105617
>>55105640

You monster

I'm rewriting this and making it canon

>>55105640
>>55105617
>>55105585
I'm... not entirely sure how I feel about this.

>>55099773
>>55094272
>Zharr-Hadad the Rogue Planet
Mot goes there after his thing to ready stuff. The Union fleet arrives to destroy it. Exterminatus. Zharr-Hadad is one of the best defended places in the Galaxy.
Brutal siege ensues.
Hashut gets a boner.
Still, the planet cracks and starts coming apart.
Archaeotech built into the world kicks in, revealing the next form! It's a Forgelord version of The Rock, possessed by greater daemons of Hashut.
Now Mot flies around on Unicron.

>>55108992
I love it.

>>55108992
Green light

>>55108992
I love it

>>55108992
Does he just spot weld his capitol ship into it and drive it around like a big angry cruise ship?

>>55105585
>his initials
FUCK SHIT GOD DAMMIT

>>55109563
He could. I mean really this could take a few forms:
-Terminus Est style tides of the warp
-The Rock/Phalanx style space fort
-the Death Star
-Unicron
-daemon Unicron that has to be summoned

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>>55109823
Or like a molten, hollow, Ego the Living Planet. Except with a bull's head.

>>55109852
^_^
Exactly.

>>55109852
>Forge Lords' chaos star vs Pachaworld

Some shit I want to talk about later

>The Cabal

Love it or hate it (I hate it) these stupid fucks are a part of 30k. How do resolve them? I would personally like their plot to be found out and Solomon, Kincaid, and Einchurt raze them into oblivion

>Worlds like Tallarn

Tallarn, and worlds like it, suffer greatly due to Great Crusade shenanigans. It would be interesting to see how we can resolve these worlds differently due to having a less pants on head retarded character roster.

>The Interex
This was going to be my biggest argument for Imperial Xenos. Peace negotiations between the Imperium and the Interex only went to shit because Erebus jammed his Chaos boner into the works, and turned what may have been a successful attempt for peace into a genocidal mosh pit. All for the Anathema. What could we do differently? What would the repercussions of this be?

>>55111257
>Tallarn, and worlds like it
What quality are you referring to?

>>55111257
>Cabal
Huh, if Solomon's world is opposed to the Cabal...

>Tallarn specifically
That one is the result of an IW/IF battle.

>interex
Well, there's a lot of people who would have that contact to well. First question. Is what we want to get out of it. What side?

I'll preface this by saying I'm not sorry at all
>The imposing Ark Mechanicus Mortis Stellaris loomed ominously over the Imperial Battle Fleet. A product of the Phobos Accords, the grand treatise relaxing Martian sanctions on development and development of various systems and armaments after the reactionary luddism caused by the reformation of the Martian Cult and the resultant civil war. Many viewed the Phobos Accords as an allowance of tech heresy, the very crime that saw many of the Mechanicum into the arms of the separatist movement. However after the Siege of Terra and Warmaster Je’She’s grand designs for bolstering the strength of the Imperium, the Accords were seen as a necessary evil, and their semi-temporary nature both appeased the more conservative Magi and encouraged more deviant Martians yet loyal to the Imperium to develop their grand works before the protections lent by the manuscripts expired. In all, the Accords were a tactful piece of hypocrisy, something the flagging Imperium was beginning to become adept in. The Mortis Stellaris was the culmination of decades of fevered construction and political maneuvering, and by the time the Imperial Ring generated forward momentum, the Ark was nearly complete.

>A massive vessel, even amongst other Arks, the monstrosity was barely a ship, any functions that classified it as such only served to ferry the main armament to and fro. The ship's main weapon was the Starshatter Assembly, the largest conversion beamer ever to be made. The assembly was able to glass a planet from light minutes away with startling accuracy, however due to the massive power requirements the weapon placed upon the ship, warp travel was made impossible (or at least wholly inadvisable) and many shielding functions operated at a reduced capacity.

>>55112894
>The rest of the ship was assembled in four separate sections about the conversion beam weapon, creating a wedged obelisk profile. While the Ark was festooned with various auxiliary and tertiary defences, the ships flaw of power consumption limited the usage of these weapons and necessitated a battle fleet to accompany the Ark at all times. Deep within the maddening sprawl of the Ark lay a secluded chamber in which fleet and vessel command would discourse and politic amongst themselves, beholden only to the Emperor and the Lords of Terra themselves. Them, and the Primarchs and Magi that made the Ark’s hideous inception possible. It was within this very chamber that seeds of discontent would be sown and razed at a nauseating pace...

>The Lord Admiral Baren Targe sweat furiously under his wide brimmed tricorn, exotic furs lining the folds of the hat, “Until this vessel is fully operational, we are vulnerable, my Lords. The separatist states and the traitor hordes are too well equipped. They are far more dangerous than you any of you will acknowledge! Need we be reminded of the siege upon Terra?” The dim, flickering lighting of the stuffy council chamber was assisted by candles lining the interior of the circular table, and they cast dangerous and inconsistent shadows on the admiral’s face, causing his perspiration to glitter in the dim.

>Lord Magos Ordinatus Kanin Antonius Mortii, a morbidly obese creature even with his stunning array of technological modifications and augmentations, chuckled. It was a disgusting sound, both phlegmy and mechanically rattling, “Pah! A danger to your battle fleet, my esteemed lord. Not to this instrument of the Omnissiah!”

>>55112919
Admiral Targe fumed conservatively, the dazzling feathers upon his cap waving precariously like the mating display of some xenos beast, “The separatists will continue to gain favor in the Imperial Senate, until…” the Admiral trailed off, as the baroque entry way into the chamber slid open with a heavy hiss. Entering the dank chamber came Lord Commander Wilhelm VonTaren-kar. The most senior mortal commander in the sector. The skeletal creature possessed an air of passive authority, for he would not waste time nor energy reminding these sycophants who was in command. He bore a simple gray uniform, the taut jacket bearing only a golden half-aquilla stretching from the brazen buttons of the coat, it's wing tip stopping at his left epaulette. In its singular talon, it bore a dagger, dripping with ruby blood drops. It was said that each of his ten crimson drops represented twenty dead at his hand, kills claimed in the twilight of the crusade.

>At his back, devouring the entryway with his hunched mass, stalked the dread lord of the amassing Imperial Church. The Burned Prophet, The Prime Ecclesiarch, High Lord of Terra, Kinnévail Kincaid. The superhuman monstrosity bore down upon the assembly over his grimacing mask like a wolf eyeing wounded prey, his golden armour appearing like glimmering obsidian in the inconsistent light of the chamber, the shadows of the gate way adding to the illusion.

>The Lord Commander swept into the room like a cold wind, Lord Kincaid lumbering behind him in his wounded gait. The wounds he sustained on Terra were legendary. To some this made the Primarch seem like he was in a weakened state. To others, it seemed that the Doomsinger of Kaliborn Septima was unliving. The room fell silent with equal parts fear and anticipation, the Primarch’s heavy breathing apparatus filling the void.

>>55112954
>The Lord Commander finally took his seat, and spoke in his dry, clipped tones, “The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. The High Lords have dissolved the larger council permanently. The last remnants of treachery and sedition have been swept away.”

>The chamber was silent for several moments, the gravity of the situation finally beginning to settle with the mortals. It was Lord Admiral Targe that finally spoke, “That's impossible! How will the High Lords maintain control without the bureaucracy?” Lord VonTaren-kar, raised his chin imperiously, “The Planetary Governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the frontier systems in line. Fear of this Ark.” Targe shook his head emphatically, “And what of the confederates? If the Separatists have obtained a complete technical schematica of this ship, it is possible — h-however unlikely — that they might find a weakness and exploit it, or send it to the chaotic onslaught and have them strike against us once mo-", the fervent Admiral was cut off swiftly by the Primarch, as he offered a stormy glower behind his inscripted wrappings, “The stolen schema you refer to will soon be back in our hands.”

>The grotesque Magos, seemingly acclimated to the weight of the new arrivals began to laugh noxiously once more, “Any attack made by the traitors against this vessel would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they've obtained. This weapon is now the ultimate power in the galaxy! I suggest we use it against our enemies!” The Primarch turned his icy gaze to the mound of mouldering flesh and machinery, “Do not be too proud of this mechanical monstrosity you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Warp.”

>>55112973
The arrogant Magos chittered once more, “Do not attempt to cow us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Kincaid,” he said jovially, inattentive to the Ecclesiarch’s slow prowl over to the council table, his stormy eyes crackling with arcane lightning, a low rumbling chant rising in the chamber, the shadows lengthening and sending the room into an unnatural dim, “Your sad devotion to illogical superstition has not helped you conjure up the stolen dataslates or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Separatists hidden fort–” the Magoses prattling was cut short, the Doomsinger's chanting rising to a dull roar, the smoke in the room coalescing into stormy dew. Blood and oil began to seep from the Magos, as the rotund man began grasping at invisible hands crushing his body. His mechadendrites began to flail haphazardly while blood began to freely gout from his face, softly arcing electricity sending the Martian into a spasming fit. The primarch leaned into the mewling Magos, intoning with contained fury, “I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

>>55112992
>The Lord Commander finally grew tired of the display,”Enough of this! My Lord Primarch, release him!” The Primarch luxuriated in the Magoses torment for a moment longer before releasing him from the chant, “As you wish.”, Kincaid responded flatly, the rumbling song fading into the soft roar of the ships systems, the returning light of the candles and weak artificial light returning meakly, seemingly blinding in comparison. The Magos fell to the table, worryingly still for a moment, before his system sprung back to life, causing the man to jolt with sputtering, wheezing breaths. VonTaren-Kar sneered at the nearly quivering assembly, “Your bickering is pointless. Lord Kincaid will provide us with the location of the traitor strongholds by the time this vessel is fully operational. We will then crush the opposition with one fell stroke.” With the declaration, the Lord Commander rose from his chair, the subordinate assembly rising in unison (save for the gasping Magos), and strode out of the chamber, the lumbering High Lord in tow.

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>>55112973
>“The Imperial Senate will no longer be of any concern to us. The High Lords have dissolved the larger council permanently. The last remnants of treachery and sedition have been swept away.”

>>55112973
>>55113927
It's actually quite brilliant. If Malcador had been moving towards better control, he'd have had a Senate even if only as an advisory council.
But if the Union has a Senate council, which you know they will, then any sort of power sharing body may well come to be seen as a form of disloyalty. Senators asking for increased autonomy or any sort of disagreement with Orthodoxy will be seen as heresy. The Senate will be inherently heretical.
So part of the whole movement would be an increasingly autocratic bent in the Imperium.

>>55112894
>>55112919
>>55112954
>>55112973
>>55112992
>>55113004
1) Kincaid psyker now?
2) I know this one!
Make this cannon

>>55070159
>The Pyna IV Mutiny
Stray thought for Elsu
The system is primarily gas giants, used as a fleet hub.
A sub-fleet goes into mutiny.
Elsu and Marduk are the closest legions. They've never met before, but both are called in to resolve this as quickly as possible lest it spread and stall the crusade.
It's the two perfect legions for it and they work very closely as they board and take ships, some of which have been hidden in the atmospheres of gas giants and take the airborne stations there-- think bespin.

>>55070159
So the Titan Legions here are the:
>Hounds of Tindalos
Technically, this is refers to the Taghmata, the actual legio is called the Choir of Thuban, but so iconic is this image, that the misnomer stands.
Tindalos has a number of unconventional delivery systems for its titans, developed as part of its paranoid defense protocols. As a result, Tindalan titans can usually be dropped from orbit in something akin to a massive astartes drop pod. This means that the first support wave is also usually air-dropped or is otherwise prepared to move in to support the titans.

>Stovokor's Titan Legion
They work very closely with an expanded taghmata and several knight houses to deal with the mountainous terrain of Stovokor. Ambushes are easy there and so they are trained to counteract those weaknesses. This also makes them very good at urban combat, since the skills to flush out snipers and hidden anti-Titan tanks and to avoid ambushes are similar between mountains and the artificial canyons of a city. The Stovokorba titans are often armed with any number of nasty, shorter ranged weapons owing to the confined environments in which they typically operate.

>>55115841
>Isekyo's Titans
Isejin Titans have a tendency to deploy as command platforms for larger Isejin forces.
If this is small, then the commanding magi may set up an ad hoc command station on a warhound, but in the largest battles, arch-magi typically command from specialized decks onboard the local Daimyo-Warlord Class Titan. (Three guesses for the local name for the ruler of the forgeworld is)
Titans often go into battle with oathsworn retinues of knights. Titans are typically geared for long-range warfare.
CC is for knights, the titans are all about the elegance of that long range kill, seeing if they can place a turbolaser beam through the eye-slit of a hostile titan at 25km.
Of course, most battles are far closer in than that, and should it ever devolve into a melee, the Isejin rely on their knights and specially trained Skitarii to handle things.
On the ground, Skitarii have little chance against a titan, however, the Isejin skitarii are equipped with maglocking grappling hooks and micropropellent canisters. When enemy titans get too close, the Isejin skitarii (called Ashigaru), charge and initiate a boarding action.
Their skill in such affairs is attested in the sheer number of captured Titans the Isejin field. Customarily, a plate is left in the colors of the original legio (typically a shoulder, but this is not always possible with certain patterns).

I'm sorry. I just like the idea of titans festooned with Shimenawa. They're literal yorishiro!
And while I was in that head space, the Skitarii were too good to pass up.

>>55115993
So at some point either during or after the Heresy, the Titan Marchers or an affiliated legio assault an outpost held by Isejin Skitarii.
This looks to be an easy win, and the Titan Marchers drop in a massive Warlord and breach the outer defenses and land in force.
However, in the confined spaces outside Wall Rose, they soon realize their mistake. The Skitarii lead by Princeps Hajime Isayama counterattack on titans. In some cases, enemy Titans are actually hijacked by Skitarii, their Princeps replaced by Skitarii hackers. This is, of course, a nigh suicidal move, but these Skitarii rarely have time to die of the cognitive overload, typically going out in a blaze of glory while hunting the hunters, or in some case, charging into clusters of enemy titans and overloading their reactors. BANZAIIIII
In other cases, titans are left immobilized or wrecked outright by the Skitarii boarding actions. Stripped of their titans, the attackers are forced to retreat, abandoning a number of God-Engines to Isejin forces. These are sent back to Isekyo for rearmament and repurposing.

>>55116121
Basically, for the boarding actions, I'm thinking the Secutarii run up blasting their choice of power metal. They've been moving from building to building in coordinated units. This is what they do. They wait in a well placed perch or they run through the sewers of a burned out city to get into position. In a regular battle, they've been known to ride Titan-desant or in special pods.
When the Titan is in range of mag-grapple jump, it's time. Forget that Powerwolf, that Dragonforce, that Tyr. It's time for some Linked Horizon. Guren no Yumiya, to be precise. It's time to attack the titan.
Titans, by and large, don't have anti-personnel weapons, but they're not usually on their own, so speed is of the essence. So the Secutarii don't depend on retracting cable for speed. Heck, they don't always target the titan itself. No, they've got micro-thrusters for the speed. They've got reinforced bones and stimm-injectors and are expendable, so they go for it. Means they'll come flying over the top of a building a block away, a place the enemy Secutarii team hadn't even gotten around to checking yet. Or they go whizzing out of a manhole, swing around a streetlight, use the cable tension to swing around the corner and spidey onto a titan.
This is an intricate play of technologically and chemically hightened reflexes, advanced cogitators to calculate the flight paths, a lot of nanofiber cables, and even more rocket fuel. It's a hunting technique for one specific prey with a specific weakness.
They go swinging over the carapace and find a hatch. It's blown open by breaching charges. They're in the machine decks, fully armed strike teams now making their way through barely armed and not at all prepared Enginseers. They want to secure the titan before someone can send the reactor supercritical. The Princeps is executed with a quick round for the head and the most senior Secutarii takes their place, the rest taking moderatii positions as best they can.

>>55116383
This isn't easy. Titans are hardened against information assault. But physical access is a whole different story and the Isejin Ashigaru are trained to breach the titan's defenses, both physical and nouspheric. Depending on the situation, they've got a few plans, but in any event, they have to work fast, lest the Titan's comrades realize what's happened and open fire.
At times, they bolt for their own lines. In some situations, particularly, in the case of a pitched battle with the full legion of Isekyo, these teams have spare, lower ranking command crews among them or Secutarii blessed with further training in command. They get the titan turned around and fighting for Isekyo on the field.
However, this isn't always possible and so they opt for something a bit less dramatic, powering down the Titan for later recovery. This is typical if the battle is going well or the enemy cannot hold the ground and there are not command crews to spare.
At other times, the solution is more dramatic. They set the titan to charge towards the enemy lines and blow or they charge recklessly, guns blazing. The titan is not running at anything near optimal, but that doesn't matter for a final charge into glory. They also do this to knight armors, though this more usually results in shutdowns since the Throne Mechanicum is more idiosyncratic than Titan Manifolds. It's not that it's "more secure" or whatever, but rather that the processes are different thanks to that mind control thing.

The Isejin Knight Houses are similarly crazy, but that's a story for another evening.

>>55102907
Either. Part of me wants to use the Eldar ideas I and Kin had in their place. The two major new factions show up, potentially the reason the gods can show up is the big four spent themselves during the Brother's War and whatnot but once that waned you see the rise of this stuff. And doing so would establish essentially an "Our Eldar Are Different" moment that fundamentally changes things going forward too, wheras in many ways, the Beast.... doesn't.

>>55103924
I think Black Crusades should wait longer, simply because right after the Brother's War, we wanna change gears a bit.

>>55109852
With one of the braided beards too.

>>55111257
>Love it or hate it (I hate it) these stupid fucks are a part of 30k. How do resolve them? I would personally like their plot to be found out and Solomon, Kincaid, and Einchurt raze them into oblivion

Please do.

>The Interex
Technically, this also does rely on Horus at the time being weary of war. So it depends when they get found. The very real possibility is they don't at all, and could be their own thing, perhaps a Tau-like role of the up and coming state.

>>55117937
I dunno, I'm never fond of non-Imperial human factions besides Chaos and the Imperium, Separatists not withstanding. I'd rather the Interex just burns.

We could simply have it go down like it does in canon, except with a Leviathan Host instead of Luna Wolf and Loxodintii instead of Word Bearer. We could skip the theft of the Anatheme.

>>55119672
Well, actually, if you wanna add in some fun dynamics: have Corsairs Gallant agents steal the Anatheme, as it sounds like the sort of weird artifacts they'd love, and have that spark off the conflict, thus sort of throwing a loop in as it's not a Chaos thing, it's just a greed and covetousness thing.

>>55117921
What Eldar ideas?

>>55120123
This one
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11mgdC-NMK1hEbpnYm0T_4FSlealLQTVDso-78MwOopc
which does feel kinda End-Timesy, but I'm not against it replacing the War of the Beast.

>>55120618
It originally was thought of. Could be adapted though.

>>55121023
>>55120618
Well it could be a way to set up a Sister War, prep the field so it doesn't come a surprise

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Gentlemen, behold!

>>55122738
Srsly what a prick

>>55121385
That could work, maybe have seps and Imps each fighting a different empire without knowing it. Eventually there's some sort of meeting to try and organise a cessation of Imp-Sep aggression in the face of this larger threat and only then do the individual sides realise that they aren't fighting the exact same foe.

>>55120618
So resurgent eldar come into conflict with the traitors loyalists and seperatists when the three human factions are in the middle of an uneasy ceasefire.

>>55122738
Jesus, he looks cool man. Very nice!

>>55122738
His perfection fills me with righteous fury

>>55127090
As it should be.

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The Privateer himself.

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>>55128839
And company.

>>55128839
>>55128844
Holy shit that's awesome.

>>55128839
>>55128844
!!!
Awesome

>>55128844
I recognize that pose.

>>55128844
Looks amazing man.

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>>55129026
It fits in well, yeah.

Fun details: aside from the xenophase blade (the Night Saber,) he also has an Eldar flip-belt worked into the armor, and the ridging on the power pack is a plasma syphon.

>>55128839
>>55128844
>Inadequacy intensifies

>>55129072
>eldar/xenos shit on a Primarch
Forgivable.

>plasma syphon
[TRIGGERED]
[DELET THIS]
[REMOVE WARD]

>>55129363
He loves xenos tech. Thats his shtick.

And if anyone has something as powerful as a syphon, should be a primarch.

"We march, hands draped in crimson;
A symbol of our father's blood, which made us, our brother's blood, which bonds us, our charge's blood, which defines us;
The crimson hand of the murderer, the blood-soaked hand of the monster;
These we bear with pride, for we are the destroyers, the vengeance of the lost;
We are the Heads of Death, and those already dead know no mercy."
-VIth Legion pre-battle cant

>>55128839
>>55128844
>That quality
>That detail
>That razor sharpness

How much dosh did you throw at the man and is he stillgoing to finish Ashur or did your monetary assault give him a concussion?

>>55131493
£120. :P

>>55132951
Worth every penny

>>55132951
So that's 2•£60?

>>55133891
Upvoted

>>55130954
>Prompt
What's your Legion's pre-battle primer and subsequent battlecry?

>>55134486
"Por el Imperio, el Primarca y el Emperador, ¡A SANGRE Y FUEGO!"

Or just "¡A SANGRE Y FUEGO!", both are used.

"For the Imperium, the Primarch, and the Emperor, BY BLOOD AND FIRE!"

Looked in GTranslate and delivered little for the second part of the cry, "Fire and Sword" mostly, aside from the literal translation, so much could be lost in the translation

>>55134486
Pre battle primer?

>>55134526
¡Desperta Plata! Might be good too

>>55134486
Pre-Terra: MARCH! ONWARDS!

Post-Terra: FOR THE TITAN LORD!

What are we calling the heresy?

>>55135293
The Brotherwar.

>>55134480
Was 100 + 20 for the cat.

Do we know anything about the Ulisses system other than that it has d6 pools?

>>55136759
It's named after a greek hero

>>55136855
Whoops, wrong thread. Sorry.

>>55136880
Thou areth forgiven, my son

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Bois, Gals, Anons and Anonnettes:

The prettiest primarch of /t3/

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>>55138630
>/t3/
Pic related. Also, /w3/

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>>55134486
"The Mountains March!"
"The Earth Trembles!"

>>55134486
"Into the fire of battle, unto the anvil of war."

>>55139958
Hold on a minute I'm a dumbass

>>55140025
That sounds like a good Warcry for the Forge Lords

>>55140168
Yes, but it's been called to my attention that it is verbatim the battlecry of the Salamanders.

>>55140279
No I meant "Hold on a minute I'm a dumbass"
>smuganimegirl.jpg

>>55138630
Mother Cunting Christ on a unicycle.

Guess it's time to Fucking scrap Kinnévail as the most attractive Primarch.

At this point I'm just going to have him burned on Kaliborn

>>55140910
I didn't wanted Linares to be the most handsome, either.

Not that I'm complaining

>>55138630
Nice!

>>55141416
I just realised:
Lambach is very Hellenistically influenced, what with Greek deities playing a role in his homeworld and him being a scholarly person in the image of the ancient philosophers.
Ashur on the other hand is very much "Persian" or "Asian Minoran" in the sense of being a caravan person, and very superstitious much like the old sorcerors. So their mutual respect and antagonising relationship kinda reflects that duality to me.

>>55141675
It's certainly one of my favorite relationships going.
And despite everything they end up on the same side still.

>>55141918
That's a piece of writefaggotry that's been catching dust lately because I just don't fucking know where to take it. It was supposed to be about Lambach and Ashur meeting after the Collaring and having an exchange about their first time discussing the Warp, and then it devolved into some weird mindgames shit out of which I can't unravel the plot, anymore.

>>55142164
Sounds interesting. If I am ever home from work or awake we could do some voice chats and hash it out.

>>55142394
Alright, sounds like an idea.

>>55142465

>>55139958
"Stoke the flames!"
"To the Anvil of War!"
"Shatter them!"

>>55138630
Hell yeah! Some serious Khal Draigo in there.

>>55134486
I'm really bad at these. Any advice?

>>55071276
Alright, so:
>As people move for positions during the conference at New Hope, Lambach arranges to meet Gyahdred at a minor, neutral world called Grethor. More a rock with an atmosphere than anything else.
>Tijo has told Gyahdred that somethings up, so Gyahdred sets the Legion on Warp Breach Protocols or whatever. He's preparing for treachery.
>Lambach meets him and gives him his pitch. It's tempting, but Gyahdred turns him down. Explosively. Also Gyahdred has a few Null Maidens in tow.
>Both ambushes go off, but the Chosen weren't expecting the Dusk Phantoms to be prepared. Also, the Dusk Phantoms brought Nulls and shit.
>Some sort of awesome battle on the surface as everyone tries to get to the primarchs' position.
>Caught totally off guard, the Chosen are crushed

Sound about right?
Ideas for details?

>>55147622
In the same vein, how about Elsu going over to chaos?

I'm thinking its something like this:
>Elsu isn't 100% on the whole Imperium thing to begin with and he doesn't like the direction Je'She is headed. Aristede's bunch might be ok, but Aristede is such an asshat, it doesn't even occur to Elsu to sign up with them. Besides, Marduk is awesome. Also the voices say to trust Marduk and aren't the voices the Emperor?

>Note on the voices: Naturally, they're Tzneetch, but Tzneetch has been playing the long con here, generally giving Elsu damn good advice.

>Marduk mentions that there's some changes to occur. Ok, whatever you say buddy. Leviathan Cult? Sure.

>Leviathan cult guys go and hang out with the Librarius

>Distant Thunder is not ok with this, but he doesn't know what's really going on. He just knows that it seems off somehow. He's a hardcore loyalist anyway.

>Elsu sends him off to go try to make friends with other legions. The voices say so and Elsu is pretty sure that that's the Emperor talking to him.

>Pacha is censored. Elsu is on edge, tells Distant Thunder to get to work on that and doubles down on defenses and his closeness with Marduk. Increases Leviathan presence for safety, so that an attack on Elsu is an attack on Marduk.

>Lambach shows up at his door, hounded. Elsu takes him in at once.

>Lambach starts telling him about chaos, specifically avoiding the parts where its opposed to the Emperor. He makes it sound like Nikea was done to cause him to find Chaos.

>Elsu has also heard bits of the doctrine of the cult and it all kind of makes sense. But it sounds crazy. The voices say to listen and about three days of youtube videos later, it all makes sense.

>Elsu massacres the population to swear loyalty to the cause. He swears by the name of Marduk, the Leviathan, and the Voice of the Emp... oh, one more thing Elsu. Don't call me the Emperor. Call me Tzneetch.

>>55148527

After this, we can have a time skip of however long we need, before Elsu heads off to kill Malcador and Lambach heads off to Grethor.

Meanwhile Distant Thunder does his thing and helps put Gyahdred on alert. Nobody else takes Gyahdred seriously after Grethor, so he hurries to knock out the Death's Heads and end the war quickly. He figures Kincaid is preventing Aristede (who has been humoring Gyahdred) from talking to Je'She and so goes and messes with Kincaid's stuff. Nobody believes in chaos except Al Gore over there and even then, Gyahdred thinks he's beaten it. Lambach did a "And you're too late to stop it!" thing, but Marduk's forces have been mostly clear and nobody gets the kind of threat that chaos is except maybe Emil.
Gyahdred also tries to tell Kincaid about Chaos.


All this time, though, Elsu has been prepping his legion's position. They're going to strike at the heart of things.
When Gyahdred hears about this, he stops his battle with Kincaid and says, look, Chaos back. I told you. Stop fighting me. I'm leaving now, you're needed on Terra.
Kincaid is all WTF? SRSLY BRO? But at some level sees that Gyahdred is totally serious, which freaks him out. Gyahdred is logical and his actions only make sense if Gyahdred is telling the truth.

>>55148664

What about moving the War of The Beast to the End of Times?

That way we would have a catastrophic event that threatens the Imperium and the Sep Union.

Given that the Chaos Legions can't put their shit together, it seems logical.

>>55151453
It would be amusing. I really do like the idea of having the Eldar event happen in its place, because it changes how the next 10k years go, with two radically different Eldar states acting up.

>>55048815
Still open to Chapters and the like?

>>55151657
Nope, sorry. You may lurk and join the discord if you are thar interested.

>>55151507
Is that the Doc whose link you posted? Will check when I find some time and tell you. But the Eldar recovering...that seems a happy ending. And this is 40k

>>55151657
Chapters? Sure.

Legions? Not so much...

>>55151854
>>55151843
I wasn't asking about Legions. How far along in the history is this? Still in the Heresy/Split?

>>55151864
Still mostly at the split. Hop on the discord, can get involved.

>>55151864
That's pretty much done, still hashing out a few details but we know almost all the big things.
We do need to REALLY nail down the final siege of terra with writefaggotry but yeah.
If you're interested in making your own chapter for 2nd founding maybe have a read through some of the documents.

>>55147622
Looks all good to me man.
Primarch duel sound good? what kind of weaponry / fighting style does Gyhadread actually use? For some reason I'm thinking lightning claws.

>>55151657
I wouldn't mind if you took on some Sentinels' successor chapters. Feel free to contact me on discord and we can talk on it if you feel inspired

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LJh0RkHrfDW8H3LgFTGgt-mhqNJeh9FIBw48botbYy8/edit?usp=sharing

>>55148664
>>55148527
>>55147622
Looks good man, keep it up

>>55138630
I'm erect

>>55136759
You can't swim in dice

>>55134486
- 'We are the walls upon which you break'
- 'We are the sword upon which you fall'
Usually said back and forth as a battle chant meant to encourage allies and unnerve enemies

>>55130954
I feel like some Sentinels and Death's Heads got together for a poetry slam one time

Update on some of Je'She;s views on his brothers

Kinnévail Kincaid: A driving force. My younger brother is certainly a formidable player both in politics as well as on the battlefield. I see that his emotions drive him. It fuels his actions as much as it fuels his art. I worry about what he has in store for the imperium after this is all over.

Note:
He has become a changed man after his accident. I am concerned about the path he is dragging the Imperium down

Frederick Aristide: Raised in luxury. Frederick and I do not share much in common apart from our kinship and our styles of leadership. He is charismatic in the extreme, but his disdain of humans is distasteful. I disagree with his views on astartes superiority, and I have talked about it at length with him, but both of us have our views and neither of us are wont to change that.

Note:
It would do a some good to send an envoy to my brother, perhaps one of my Aldrujan, definitely one of the more diplomatic of my guard. It would be wise to maintain positive relations with him and his legion

Rahman Keita’mansa: This brother of mine intrigues me. He is eccentric, boisterous, endlessly curious, and a thousand other things. His charisma attracts many, and his upbringing has brought him easily into the life of starfaring and exploration in the name of our father. He is most certainly pleasant to be around, and each new dataslate regarding his campaigns is a tale of adventure and grandeur.

Note:
I need to see Sahir on Corsairs Gallant logistics. A legion with numbers so few has a suspiciously clean reinforcement rate.

>>55134486
May the circle never be broken
May the earth always be whole
May the rattle ever be shaken
May Hecate live in my soul.

>>55152331
Absolutely erect

>>55152267
>Swimming in dice
Who said you couldn't

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Veteran Warpclaw Parthenios is almost finished, just some detail and shading left to do.
He will eventually become the 1st chapter Master of the Rune Claws.

>>55147622
>>55148527
>>55148664
Good stuff! Makes loads of sense.

>>55151657
We're always open to chapters. Feel free to check out the legions and whip up a successor. You're also free to pop into the Discord for more direct discussion.

I've been thinking about how Titan Marchers would work on the tabletop. I'm not familiar with how it he game works, I've never played it myself.

How would it be feasible for them to actually field a titan? Not even an Imperator per se, just a Warhound or a similar class.

>>55153723
I was planning on giving them the ability to take a Titan as a Lord of War, along with just making them better around most any Super-Heavy

>>55153756
The biggest problem seems to be point values. Titans cost a lot of points to field, with Imperators going up to 4000 points.

I liked the idea of them working well around super-heavies too, that especially makes a lot of sense going into 40k, when titans appear to be far less common.

>>55153794
Well, Astartes-grade Knights would be interesting. And reasonable.

>>55154387
Screw Knights. I've never really liked them, plus they're kind of a Forge Lords thing.

PROMPT:
What would a Black Library style trilogy (a la the Night Lords omnibus) revolving around your legion or a successor chapter be like?

>>55154551
I don't have fucking idea!

>>55154551
The story of a relatively recently elevated Captain (which is actually the equivalent of a Lieutenant in the Corsairs) commanding a small ship. Three stories, seeing him be elevated from Captain to Commodore in the first one, and Commodore to Captain in the third, with hints that he may well rise to the rank of Admiral of a Flotilla (a group of several Fellowships/Chapters.)

It would involve him navigating the dicey realm of inter-legion politics, a mix of military, nobility, and mercantile issues, while also hunting down signs of their lost Primarch, and the map fragments he left behind. First book would involve a run in with Eldar corsairs, followers of the Pale Queen. The sequel would involve a run in with groups of Leviathan Host and Titan Marchers; the Host is attempting to construct a new Artegal-class super battleship, a design created by the combined efforts of Raj, Marduk, and Rahman during the Great Crusade, of which only three were made and only three.

The Corsairs want to know where the Host found the data on it, as it was thought only Rahman (and Raj) had certain template elements for it. The Titan Marchers see it as an affront for the forces of Chaos to have something so sublime in destructive power and so linked to their primarch. The result is a three way conflict.

The third involves him leading a group of vessels on the hunt for what may be a major find in the search for the primarch, leading them to a seemingly lost forge world, yet they find that a force of Forge Lords are seeking it as well. Yet, down below, it turns out the Forge World has been subverted by an awakening dynasty of Necrons.

Also would have him interacting with the Umbral Hand, that strange and seemingly rogue element of the Legion that seems to be operating off some strange and esoteric plan. Are they allies, or enemies, or something else entirely? They show up at seemingly impossible times, pursue enigmatic goals, and leave only questions behind.

>The Xanthrus incursion
Upon the forge world of Xanthrus, something goes terribly wrong when the Hellhound transports a manufactorum produces roll off of the assembly line and immediately fire upon the forge menials and tech priests performing inspection
>before long, a warp rift opens up in the bowels of the forge and vomits forth a tide of armored warriors in the colors of the Forge Lords legion
>When the Imperium's liberation fleet arrives they find only smoking ruins, with all materiel on the world missing

>>55154551
I think it would deal with the many splinters off the Golden Mountains, happening some time after Pacha's sleep, but still closer to 30k than 40k.

The first book deals with The Avalanche, picking them up as they trick the Imperial Guard into believing they are normal GMs to aid them against dark eldar invaders. Later on, they end up battling some forces of Chaos, and the warband leader's dying words imply that Rimac has left the Eye of Terror with most of his cult. Camac, intent on taking the opportunity to deal with the traitor, is for a moment impeded as there are no other nearby allied forces by now, and they'd otherwise be heavily outnumbered. However, there is a certain chapter nearby...

Book two deals with The Fettered, as they work together with the Steel Souls, Huascar meditating on how the two legions used to be quite friendly before the Brotherwar. Later in the book, they go on their own, and battle La Orden del Divino, and while at the first moment the battle is equal, the Orden manages to outmaneuver them, Huascar facing the possibilities from heavy losses to total annihilation. However, suddenly the encirclement is broken by a familiar warcry, and while The Fettered and The Avalanche have never gotten along, better to trust them, and thus they escape. At the Fettered's flagship, Camac and Huascar reunite. The former punches the latter for almost getting his forces killed (and for being a coward), and then informes that Rimac is out there, nearby. The two forces agree to a coalition against the traitor Astartes.

Book three is told from Rimac's perspective, as they invade then defile a planet. However, they end up facing heavier resistance than expected, and as victory seems certain, the combined forces of both The Fettered and The Avalanche charge in, reversing the tides of war. The book ends with a line describing one sword from Camac and one of Huascar each piercing one of Rimac's twin hearts.

>>55152235
That's a good question.
I'm picturing him with a whole bunch of arms that parry blows and keep the other guy busy.
I could see him weilding a massive hammer thing, going General Grevious style, or as you say, Lightning Claws.

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>>55157426
I was hoping to make !General Grievous the SepMech Fabricator-General.

>>55158274
Also revenant terminators.

>>55158341
>revenant terminators
?

>>55157426
I still can't shake the image of Gyhadred looking like Andrew Jackson, even though I full well know that is not what he is meant to look like. Which means he needs a power hickory cane and a duelist bolt pistol. :D
If I ever join another AU I've got to do Primarch Jackson.

>>55134486
"Let Lose the Hounds of War"
"Rend with Fang and Claw"

>>55151843
We can make it less happy as it goes. Maybe have Slaanesh get to finishing its original feast during the end times. Then get the Eldar to do shit themselves rather than relying on their gods, cause they literally have none left by that point.

>>55151843
Its not really happy. Essentially it just opens up two new also bad options. Isha being around doesn't stop Slaanesh from eating souls and she has her own goals and it makes them more warlike, so more war.

Eresh is just selling your soul to avoid it getting eaten, but now you serve a death god forever.

>>55159594
...I what? How did I give that impression? (Granted I also hate Andrew Jackson with an undying, burning hatred.)

>>55159104
I'll dig up the post, but basically they're the four-armed augmented terminator elite of the legion. They're kind of like myrmidons and have equipment geared for a few different things, cc, ranged, support, etc.

>battle of the Apollan system
The memorial world of Apollan VI comes under assault from a Forge Lords warband borne by an as-of-yet unseen pattern of battle barge. Three quarters of the defending separatist naval fleet is undone in a single strike when the battle barge unleashes its main cannon - a truly massive haywire array. The world below is quickly scoured of life by the defending ships as they fall out of orbit.

>>55164222
I don't think you ever gave that impression, I just have a vivid imagination.
Also love him or hate him, if you replace American Indians with Xenos the AJ's life story is pretty much a Primarchs's XD

Some names for Freeboota Primeork post Freeboota Beast

Keep in mind that these are names to be combined or used as inspiration

Gitknasha
Toofmasta
Grog
Giltgrabba
Hrurorg
Kurobog
Kazadak
Grurnzoz
Skunga
Gruk Scrappa
Badrak Orkbamma
Hellrippy Krump'un
Domrippa Ladurka Mad Thumppa
Groodug Meathands
Krumpin' Waaghthumppa , Pirate o' de Waagh
Grenth Squigbeard the Shatterskull
Badguzz
Voidsmasha
Simply Da Boss Kaptin

>>55166646
An idea as to how we can make this work

>Ullanor becomes the site of a three way battle (maybe more) to claim it as a holy site, strategic point, and claim the Emperor's spilled blood seeped into the earth/his psychic essence imprinted into the world
>Ullanor essplodes
>Fragments of Ullanor still have fucking Orks in/on them
>The greenskins turn them into kroozas and roks
>Da Beast emerges from this fleet
>Everybody gets #rekt
>Beast fucks up by drawing EVERYONE'S attention
>Get's #rekt

>One of his Primeorks isn't a retard and doesn't die, wot bein' kunnin loik
>Sets up the greatest piracy ring to grace the Galaxy
>Is our Gazzy

>>55166646
I'm going for Badrak Orkbamma, the Voidsmasha

>>55166833
This'll be a great way to handle the war of the beast issue we've been having.
Also with the Grey area of space between the loyalists and the seps gives him a a good area to set up shop. Normally he'd get wiped out right away, but as is willing to work with the less scrupulous members of both factions he manages to get away with murder (literally in some cases). I'd say his pirate city could be a truely diverse place as he values profits over racial discrimination right? But only the worst of the worst actually set foot there.
All the smugglers from sep to imperial space and vice versa more or less have to pay homage to him or else risk his wrath.
He could be Gazzy but never really sets up massive Waaaghs as they might affect profits and he is already more or less the supreme powerhouse of his corner of space.
He'd also have a vicious rivalry with the Corsairs Gallant who desperately wants the Ork dead but the Ork actually likes having the Grand Master around Like Gazzy and Yarrik.
How's all that sound?

>>55167123
>Like Gazzy and Yarrik.

Fuuuuuck yessss.

But his Yarrik should be a mortal, I tire of Ward Pattern Wankium Astarte

>>55167123
>Mos Eisley in Spess
Zog ye', umie!

>The rest
Hell no. He's an ork pirate kaptin! He's big, brutal and kunnin'. He *must* wage war. He would remain hidden in Mos Eisley waiting for the right time to call the Waaagh! in a certain planet. They kick the shit out of everyone there, repeating until the umies send big forces. Retreat with the loot to Mos Eisley. Repeat.

>>55167245
Unless 'e's a sneaky grot wots in it fer da teef?

But I think either way it amounts to the same thing. He's found a way to fight and get paid to fight. And he's clever enough to know that if he has a big waaaaagh, he'll lose the position that allows him to keep foigtan and winnin'. Let the other gits go on waaaghs. It gets rid of a rival and dey lose der teef and gubbins.
He's figured out that he gets the best of things if he's a raider, not a conquerork.

>>55167201
I'd agree, but the Corsairs are Union. An augmented humie?

>>55167245
The idea is that he is a big threat, but he is also smart enough to know that if he becomes TOO much of a threat he'll get stomped out. He still does Waaghs but for his own reasons other than just Crumppin for Crumppin's sake.

>>55167201
>>55167498
His Yarrick needs to be a Rogue Trader instead of a commissar, and Rahman has the RT corner pegged I think. I don't wanna step on his legions toes, I'm in favor of letting him decide on the Kaptain's ultimate rival.
Be it mortal or marine?

>>55167498
>I'd agree, but the Corsairs are Union. An augmented humie?

Could easily be a member of the extended Keita merchant family.

>>55168184
To elaborate on this, all the Admirals (equivalent of a Captain) have a Warrant of Trade, and thus are all Rogue Traders by extension. However, the Keita family married into several others and there is an extended network of non-Astartes RT that still exist inside the extended family network.

>>55168226

Recovering an old prompt that nobody replied to:

PROMPT
Your Primarch manages to have children. How are they?

>>55169827
I'm still debate actually having artifical kids for Rahman but probably not.

That said, putting aside how legally speaking, the entire legion are his 'sons,' kids of Rahman would be raised much like him, and allowed to chase the passions they have, with no expenses spared providing for them, yet also much done to instill that family loyalty that drives and binds the Keita dynasty.

>>55169827
Linares' only child is a beautiful, kinda thicc girl called Sara, and, as oposed to her Father, she is pretty short. Genes sheananigans.

Hot headed, irradiating joy and unable to hate, even to demonstrate the slightest anger. Her white skin is a perfect match for her void-black eyes, and her silverish hair gives her an interesting look that has caught the attention of many boys.

Not very intelligent in scholar affairs, but when it comes to logistics and communications, she has no match. Well-known is her expertise in speeches, and it's said that she is able to calculate without problem the exact amount of supplies needed for a certain ocasion/place/whatever.

She became one of the most beloved persons in Linares' life, along his Brothers, his Father, and his wife.

She barely knows her Grandfather, but her favorite uncle is Lambach Kropor, but she hasn't seen him in a long time..

>>55169870
We are talking about a big "WHAT IF" and about actual sons. The Legion doesn't count

By the way, since the Emperor is just in a coma/vegetative and not actively dying, are the Black Ships still created?

>>55170438
Well, Black Ships existed regardless, the question is more are they being fed to the Emperor or not?

If not, that could mean they are being a. killed or b. trained which may mean the Imperium has a higher psyker density.

>>55170455
>trained which may mean the Imperium has a higher psyker density

This was a forgone conclusion

>>55170438
Yes, they are. Maybe Empy doesn't need that many Psykers to survive and they survive longer.

>>55172184

PROMPT:
If the OU has the Lion and the Wolf, what are this universe's primarchs' animal motifs?

Mot Hadad is the Bull of Zharr-Hadad

>>55173832
Piter should be the Bear
Ashur the 'phant
Lambach the Owl

>>55173832
Marduk is the Sea Krait
Raj the Gigantopithecus
Einchurt the Vulture
Solomon the Lion
Linares the Tiger
Fredrick the Stallion
Valorn the Wolf
Piter the Bear
Ashur the Mammoth
Lambach the Owl
Rahman the Magpie
Elsu the Hawk
Mot the Boar
Je'She the Meerkat
Gyahdred the Octopus
Deshain the Rattlesnake
Isekho the Chameleon

I don't know about Zelbezis, Emil, or Kinnévail

>>55173832
>>55174448
Oh, and Pacha the pet rock

>>55174482
Turtle

>>55174482
Actually laughed at Pacha the pet rock. Nice.
I also agree with Lambach being an owl, though he does have a sweet Lion motif, and wears the hide of the Nemean Lion.
Kincaid would be a ferret.

>>55174448
Zelb would be a shark or a gator I think, and Emil the spider.

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Ladies and gentlemen. I present to you The Watchman

>>55175339
I came buckets
Awesome! He's even smugger than Ashur

>>55175361
Ashur wasn't ment to be smug, it's just that he is so pretty that everybody else feels besmugged in the process.

>>55175339
You're trying to set up an independent nt confederacy and this guy builds a ring of fortress worlds around it, what do you do?

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>>55174482
And Kincaid the Aye Aye

>>55175676
I was thinking more charcoal chicken

>>55175339
Noice!

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And here is Pacha, low resolution version

>>55175972
>Give me the Oats, brother
>I require them greatly

>>55175972
That looks sick man. Pacha looks like a boss

>>55174448
And btw. great list, but Mammoth? Although I really love a fluffy pachyderm over a nekkid pachyderm, let's not reach too far, shall we?

Same for Mot. He's got a very well established animal in his heraldry, so let's use that one.

>>55175972
Now that's some nice Great Crusade Flashbacks meme! Nice, I like it.

We broke the Smuggers streak btw

>>55175230
>>55175676
>>55175707
I see you littler fuckers think you have jokes

>>55175972
>>55175339
These guys are really great! Always jealous of all your guy's stellar busts

>>55175972
This looks awesome. I imagine that is the face he pulls when ever some one talks Maths and he is trying not to draw attention to himself. :p

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>>55176008
Forgot that Loxodons are naked phants, either way, you get the point.

As for Mot, here's my rationale.

He's not a bull

>>55177078
At least he's not as short as Einchurt

>>55173832
Rahman actually is the Lion of Manden and has a pet big cat, even though technically its not a lion.

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>>55179135
And yet.

Alright so Einchurt and I are going to hash out a conflict between the Forge Lords and the Death's Heads set around the time the ruinstorm goes up in the morning.

>>55180397
True. I want to do a thing where a legion (loyalist or sep, both work) needs geneseed, like theirs gets corrupted or lost and then an agent makes contact and the Corsairs are like "We can help."

"Why do you have our geneseed."
"..."
"Why do you have stocks of our geneseed, Corsairs."
"Listen do you want help or not?"

>>55168226
>>55168184
So then is this Rahman's adoptive family? Or does he have a fictive kinship deal going on?

>>55154874
I'd read that.

>>55183347
Aye, his adopted family. He is the clan head, but has cousins and extended family. Plus, the family absorbed lesser houses via marriage, cadet braches and all.

>>55183785

I don't think I've posted this in the thread yet, but I'm currently trying to expand on Frederick's backstory.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PlXwLJEX6k2w274swQdinyYEMF9wkhvhkY8ZSDTIheY/edit?usp=sharing

My current plan is the following:
>Land of Thiepval
>Found by Barbedous Aristide
>Named Frederick Aristide
>Raised to work hard
>Becomes convinced of his own superiority (even over his adoptive parents)
>Joins the army
>Proves himself a capable and charismatic leader
>Overthrows the Directorate in a coup
>Declares himself Emperor of Lancette
>Begins to spread out his domains across the continent
>Attempts to invade !Russia
>Actually succeed
>Emperor arrives
>Swear fealty to the Emperor and Imperial Truth on sight

On an unrelated note, where's Emil been recently?

So, was discussing things with Deshain and others on the Discord, and some ideas include introducing the AU version of Yvraine. In canon, she walked many of the pasts, including being a Corsair for a period. In this, she is the one leading the force that murders the shit out of Deshain and he ends up pursuing her, and likely is why she flees into the webway rather than a mutiny. In this, he also ends up trashing a few Craftworlds in his increasingly manic pursuit.

Incidentally, Yvraine eventually will die but be resurrected by Isha, not Ynnead (who, at this time, may not actually exist in the AU) and ends up as the Everqueen.

Meanwhile, Deshain, post daemon princehood, eventually will launch an attack on Commoragh and cause a Disjunction, which also destabilizes the shadow-realm of the warp that the Mandrakes dwell in and also where Ereth Khial fled to and sealed herself in to gather strength but was unable to get out. This causes her emergence and the majority of the Dark Eldar there end up swearing to her to avoid death, thus leading the emergence of the Pale Empire (which I think needs a name change, so Death [as in necromancy] heavy aesthetic Eldar state names, suggestions?]) and so on. This is at minimum not till M35, maybe M37 or later probably.

Sounds like a well thought out developement.

Chapeau

>>55186498
I'm cool with this

Metrical bump

>>55186498
well, we could just take a word for Death and Xeno it up a bit. Like "Mortias" or "Ukufax"

>>55186707
Who are you replying to?

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>>55186498
>>55185535
He got upset with the doscord discussion I believe. Said he nèeded to take a break to sort through other things?

>>55185535
I can't imagine things go well for Frederick's parents, but otherwise excellent stuff.

I've been fixing up the blanks in Marduk's backstory as well. Mainly expanding his early years, clarifying some stuff.

I'm kinda struggling with his meeting with the Emperor, if only because I don't know how to conveniently segue into him arriving on Dagon.

>>55189373
The Emperor usually just arrives when it's narratively convenient. It's not something you need to justify at all.

Frederick sort of 'abandons' his parents. His adoptive father makes it clear he wants to use Frederick in order to reclaim the standing of House Aristide. Fred isn't really into that; he keeps the name Aristide as a challenge to the ruling nobility, but he doesn't care much for his adoptive family. He considers them too weak. Not until he meets the Emperor, his brother, and the Astartes legions does he find people he fully respects.

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>>55170438
I think you check the fleet list in the doco, Gyahdred wanted a fleet of his to eventually become the black ships?

>>55173832
Je'She's is a camel. Serious, stern more often than not, and can go the distance.
And has two humps

>>55175339
lol who is that guy

>>55185535
It's good so far. I know this is still the planning out stage, but I'm assuming that the entire story arc pre-Emps is just setting up Frederick's sense of superiority?

>>55186498
I think The Risen could be a possible name. It's not subtle, but it gets to the point and it's something easy to grasp for readers

>>55191135
Yes. It seemed to make sense to give him that personality trait to him early on. I also decided he should actually end up in a rough environment, in order to actually justify his sense of superiority; he put in the work.

I'd also like to mention that Frederick's flagship is called 'Heir of Superiority'.

>>55191135
Ok that looks sooo much better. I was a fan of the other pic but this one is pretty much spot on.

>>55191185
I guess if you want to have such an embedded sense of superiority in Frederick straight from the get-go upon his reunion with the Emperor, you'll have to make his backstory seem like a string of successes. Because if every single thing goes your way, maybe you are superior.
However, that does make him look like some sort of Gary Stu, so perhaps have him 'devolve' later on as the timeline progresses closer to the Brotherwar. Perhaps he's increasingly paranoid and angry at his legion for not fulfilling his expectations and frustrated with his brothers for not seeing things his way, since his views are obviously the right way.

Just brainstorming

>>55191135
This picture is much more suitable

>>55191249
Good thinking. On Thiepval, things should go smoothly. That's partly why he's gonna successfully invade !Russia. Them comes the Great Crusade. He is the first Primarch, so he would push his legion to the brink. That would surely lead to several attrition related problems.

Let's be honest though, this is the guy that leads a Separatist Union. In order to pull that off he has to be good. Very good.

>>55191376
Could always just make him like Horus teir good. Emp's favourite, never lost a battle, so when he is fpund he already has a whif of superiority bit his ego just keeps swelling as time goes by. Then when Emps bites it he feels like Je'she and Marduk are simply not on his level and that despite being given equal power they should defer to him?