Do you mean a future as in

>post apocalyptic feudal future

Or

>futuristic technoscape

>>58901578
Not OP but I assume whichever you prefer.

Look at how most people see medevial history, its a mismatch of random elements from all different periods. They would probably remember our century as a series of conservative american oil crusades, aircraft and battleships coexisting, cold war spy shit, mass consumerism, a renaissance style cultural revolution and advanced computing all taking place more or less simultaneously

>>58902865
>Look at how most people see medevial history, its a mismatch of random elements from all different periods.
That has a lot to do with what records survive, though, not to mention how subsequent generations reinterpreted the records that they had.

We keep exacting records of everything, to the point at which there might be too MUCH information. Without some kind of technological catastrophe that wipes out anything that isn't physical media, it's going to be really hard to miss the trail of evidence that we've left.

>>58901514
Is that from Chernobyl?

>>58903723
Looks like the Elephant's Foot, yeah.

>>58903723
Yeah, it's nuclear lava. Supposedly the shit is so intense, just looking at it will blind you

>>58903451
The average person never bothers to look at the evidence though, they just clump together what they learned in high school

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>>58901514
>According to ancient historical records, human society once lived in ancient Mobile Homes. Supposedly, they could be attached to ancient vehicles and pulled across the world to anywhere, where they would set up in mobile communities that traveled around, setting up defenses against weather disasters, and then picking up to move once the disasters passed. Modern researchers believe these to be the roots to the current Weather Disaster Defense branch.

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Snow.

>>58903780

No, if you are close enough to see it you will have been sentenced to death by all the radiation you will have been bombarded with.

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>>58903918
>sentenced to death by nuclear lava

>>58901514
"The ancients were so powerful that they were able to transform their bodies into whatever gender they wanted to be at a particular moment".

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>>58901514
Richard Nixon was a cumberbatch or whatever these are called.

>>58904493
>post-apocalyptic twinks will murder entire communities to try and loot ancient HRT
Somehow I knew this is how it would all end

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>>58904493
>some could even adopt the guise of animals in arcane rituals using a white magical circle and a crooked armed cross

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Behold the deity of some irradiated tribe.

>>58901514
Centuries from now Neptunia merchandise will be nothing more than an old legend, until one day one of the games is discovered and prompts a group of wastelanders to undergo an epic journey to find their waifu filled paradise, never expecting how tragic a journey it will turn out to be.

>>58901514
there was a supposedly battle (or celestial argument, we don't know) involving Usr, war god of the covenant that was made in Warsaw, and Nato, war god of the men across the sea, that reshaped the world itself and destroyed the old powers of the world and made the children of these gods the prime forces on earth.

>ancient europeans supposedly worshipped these miniature plastic depictions of a possible future for mankind

What heroes of antiquity or false gods will come about from our times? Or what rumours and jokes will become legend and then fact?

>They say that Roosevelt could not die while he was awake, for the man had the power in his sinews to wrestle death himself.

>And the man they called Hawking was ruined in body, but such was his strength of will and his mastery over the machine that he moved to and fro with his mind, and spoke without ever moving his lips, and his voice was cold as marble, and as the darkness between stars.

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The ancients had a multitude of ways of writing other than books, these greater knowledge bricks for example are filled with a delicate tape accessed by a flap at the rear. This one was titled 'Terminator', possibly indicating that it was the last in a series of volumes, and the tape bears marks of wear and scratching as though as specific part of this brick was used again and again.

The greater knowledge brick is possibly an older relative of the lesser knowledge brick, a smaller version that could fit inside the palm and was much thinner. The lesser knowledge brick is thought to be more modern because of its smaller size, following trends of the era. A trove of lesser knowledge bricks excavated from a ruin found many marked 'Aerosmith'. These are thought to be instructions for building flying machines, the artisans of these craft being referred to as aerosmiths, but the sets of instructions on the outside of these bricks are highly confusing and bizzarre.

One set of instructions reads:
Aerosmith
Get a Grip
Step 1. Intro
Step 2 Eat the Rich
Step 3 Get a Grip
Step 4 Fever
...
Step 7 Walk On Down
Step 8 Shut Up and Dance

Truly an amazing culture

>>58906164
>And again the demons who dwell across the Eastern Ocean became wrathful and sought to destroy the Merikai. They united under a terrible lord, who was called Hail the River-Dweller, for he was a powerful demon who brought the northern winds that bring cold, and lived in the palace of the Rake-Stag at the bottom of the great River of Denial, from which many demons were born.

>And he summoned his great storm warriors, who bore the crest of twin thunderbolts on their armor, and sent them out to ravage the lands of Albion and Paris. They rode on storm clouds and rained down lightning on the world. And Paris was enslaved, and Albion destroyed, but for the deepest fortresses. And many captives were taken and sacrificed to the River-Dweller.

>The great king of the city of Washington's Bones was the son of Redfield the Hunter-King, who could not die while awake and destroyed the great demon Wild-Helm One-Horn in the War of the Poison Wind. During this war, a great poison struck Redfield, but could not claim him, for so great was hie. Instead, the poison entered into his seed, so that when he gave birth to a son, he was lame and weak. This was the great revenge of the demons; to poison the tree of King Redfield's line, so that no heir of his could ever be King.

>King Redfield was distraught, and sent his knights across the mountains and seas to find a cure. Eventually, a knight returned, and said: "I have heard a tale of a mighty sorcerer-king who knows many secrets of the heavens. Journey over the Great Ocean, to Albion, and seek his great tower." And Redfield did so (note: see saga #70, "Redfield in the Court of the Hawk King"), and returned with a throne of enchanted iron, which moved like a chariot; but unpulled by any horse. And so the lame son of Redfield, Franklin (Note: named after the great storm-wizard) was crowned in time, when Death took his father while he was deep in sleep.

-Excerpts from the epic cycle of the Merikai

>>58903918
the radiation it was giving off was so intense, that photo isn't even a direct photo of it. It a photo of a mirror at the end of a hallway facing it, getting close enough to photograph it for real would have killed them.

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>>58906633
The elephants foot still exists, and it's still deadly. Not nearly as much as it use to be, but more than a few minutes in its presence will leave you with two days to live.Thats not even factoring the potential cancers that'll pop up from shorter exposures.
I have no doubt in my mind this guy in this photo is dead now.

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>scholars belive this statue was dedicated to an ancient goddess who led her followers to the new world in an attempt to escape her corrupted siblings of the old world

>>58907131
It's funny since it's actually just the architect's mom

>>58903451
And yet people often clump together Napoleon, Victorian and Edwardian eras.

>>58903451
>We keep exacting records of everything
A lot of our records are digital and will not last the century, due to digital media being fragile, bit rot, format specifications being lost, etc. Paper records from the 20th century will last longer, but paper is still fragile, so a lot of it will get lost when it has to get moved for whatever reason.

The hope, I guess, is that now people are a bit more aware of the importance of preserving information for the future historians, so there will be organizations and people that attempt to preserve it (like the Internet Archive, for example).

>>58906731
And all the builders who sealed away the ancient evil died within the month.

>But where the pillars of man's folly fell the land was burned in a fire and poison that did not consume, and to this day no grass grows upon the land. And in the deeps sealed away by small men were many dark things whose like are not found in the lands today.
> Great Power was given to them, to strike with affliction any man who entered their presence, and to cut them off from life before their time.

>>58906731
why did i think he was slav squatting when I saw the thumbnail

>>58907422
So much this.

Pretty much all commonly used modern records are terrible at longetivity compared to rocks/bricks covered in incisions and treated leather.

If any kind of significant disruption of modern civilization happens, anything digital will likely go within a century or less. Most paper books won't last nearly that long outside of dry conditions. Microfilm might last if it's kept in a box, I guess?

>>58906731
>I have no doubt in my mind this guy in this photo is dead now.
This photo was taken something like 10 or more years after the disaster. If that guy is dead, it's probably because of old age or alcoholism. That man probably got a large dose of radiation, maybe several times the permissible lifetime limit, but it's unlikely he stayed long enough to actually get acute radiation sickness.

Also, short term exposure to high doses of radiation does not significantly increase your risk of cancer. Long term exposure to low doses, such as swallowing or breathing radioactive dust, is what significantly increases the risk of cancer and birth defects.

>>58907522

This is actually a large reason why we're working on storing data in encoded DNA. A single gram of DNA is theoretically capable of storing hundreds of petabytes of data, and if kept in an appropriate container it can last billions of years without degrading, unlike magnetic media which is subject to bit rot and other vulnerabilities.

>>58907731
>last billions of years without degrading
Latest research indicates that DNA has a half life of around 520 years. You'd need a lot of redundancy to last a long time.

>>58907731
DNA is super fragile when outside an organism and is prone to mutation when inside one. While DNA does have insane ammounts of information density it is not robust enought to be used for storing data for years without human intervention.

This is a good thread.

>>58907731
>DNA doesn't degrade
Literally lmaoing my brain off.
This is your brain on popsci. DNA is monstrously fragile.

>>58907422
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_of_Mankind

>We try to this day to extract data stored on ancient computers of our ancestors. We believe that by entangling all of the atoms in their "drives" - a non-volatile memory storage units, like our mnemosynes - we can read the delicate fluctuations of magnetic fields that faded almost to nothing over millennia.
>Their computers were connected by long copper wires capable of transmitting information over long distances, even across oceans. That they achieved this with such primitive medium is a testament to their ingenuity. They called this network of wires the Inter Net, or colloquially the "Web", because of the tangle of wires, perhaps.
>We have ancient document showing that some of those networked computers were known by name and famous enough that most of humanity desired to connect with them and peruse the knowledge stored on their "drives".
>One such machine was known as the Porn Hub. Ancient records say it was responsible for a quarter of all traffic. Sadly we still can't access its data. We don't know what "Porn" was, though a "Hub" defines a centre of activity. An immense library of knowledge perhaps?
>Yes, we have a whole list of popular computers written by ancient historian known only by Alexa. An Anglo-Saxon name. Another popular computer was the Red Dit, though what the name meant remains a mystery.
>Channel Four? Are you sure you're not confusing it with tele-vision names?

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>>58907422
Could we engrave the most important things on stone? It lasts a fucking long time if it's stored in good conditions. The only problem is 9Gag getting its fucking hands on it

>Our legends tell of weapons
>Wielded by kings of old
>Crafted by evil wizards
>Unholy to behold
>We seek the fire lances
>That slew the ancient race
>The world where they were masters
>Now lays in waste
The Sword - Fire Lances of the Ancient Hyperzephyrians

>>58908074
I almost forgot about that.

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Many toiled and were killed in the unearthing and opening of this ancient security of the old world. But what was contained within would continue to spill blood and sow discord long after the powerful lords who had found it had been killed and forgotten.

>>58907472
chernobyl is actually really green. Sure the plants get cancer more often but with no people around nature has been thriving there.

>>58906731
>The chickens had black coxcombs, not red ones, because of the radiation. And you couldn’t make cheese. We lived a month without cheese and cottage cheese. The milk didn’t go sour—it curdled into powder, white powder. Because of the radiation.
>Well, so they brought us in, and they took us right to the power station. They gave us white robes and white caps. And gauze surgical masks. We cleaned the territory. The robots couldn’t do it, their systems got all crazy. But we worked. And we were proud of it.
>There’s a note on the door: Dear kind person, please don’t look for valuables here. We never had any. Use whatever you want, but don’t trash the place. We’ll be back. I saw signs on other houses in different colors—Dear house, forgive us! People said goodbye to their homes like they were people. Or they’d written: We’re leaving in the morning, or, We’re leaving at night, and they’d put the date and even the time. There were notes written on school notebook paper: Don’t beat the cat. Otherwise the rats will eat everything. And then in a child’s handwriting: Don’t kill our Zhulka. She’s a good cat.
>We came home. I took off all the clothes that I’d worn there and threw them down the trash chute. I gave my cap to my little son. He really wanted it. And he wore it all the time. Two years later they gave him a diagnosis: a tumor in his brain . . . You can write the rest of this yourself. I don’t want to talk anymore

>>58906633
The guy who took the photo actually got close enough to recieve lethal dose.

However he had terminal cancer, so he didn’t care.

>>58908968
Source?

>>58907422
>>58907522
So what we need to do is start putting our gamebooks and other /tg/ stuff on rocks and bricks so it is preserved for future.

>>58908074
9gag's meme rock isn't going to last anyway, sandstone is not very tough as far as rocks go (and it's got some nastily destructive reactions with certain compounds), and they didn't engrave it all that deeply regardless.

>>58909086
We could try a method similar to >>58907854.

>>58903895
Damn, so fucking intelligent and better than me.

>>58907131
By Azura!

>>58909031
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iUwFJB7YhA4C&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=he+chickens+had+black+coxcombs,+not+red+ones,+because+of+the+radiation.&source=bl&ots=DtufLr156p&sig=_1Bx1m7awBG8nYQH9oInoFLDNFE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS2qqphZ7aAhXJJcAKHbPzAxwQ6AEIMDAA#v=onepage&q=he%20chickens%20had%20black%20coxcombs%2C%20not%20red%20ones%2C%20because%20of%20the%20radiation.&f=false

>>58906617
You forgot to mention the epic heroes and deities of the past:
> Merikai the Shieldbearer, legendary forefather of Merikai and their saint patron
> Mi-Kemuus, god of rodents and joy
> Paaker-Peeker, lord of spiders who was supposedly capable of predicting danger
> Robert Stark Junior, the last of the legendary Starks of Winterfall (it was probably somewhere in Canada), legendary king who defeated the last of the English dynasty of Lancasters and inherited all their gold. He is also said to claim the Iron throne and cal himself Iron man. His daughter Margeteth Stark took the family Thatcher because she married the Thatcher of Thatchwood, and inherited her father's title thus becoming Iron lady.
> Dark Knight, mysterious figure who is often associated with bats and mythical gigantic black cats called panthers, who was known to defeat the corrupt lords of Got-Ham.
> Queen Celestia, was said to be an excellant equestrian and ride another legendary creature, pegasus.
> Queen Mecuria, another legendary queen who transgressed her gender and became a man.

>>58903895
Meanwhile the east coast has had some of the worst winter weather in twenty years. that fag can fuck right off with his Jew comics

>>58909703
Bruh you don't even understand, he draws stick figures to represent your argument like a retard so you are wrong.

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>>58909680

> Robert Stark Junior, the last of the legendary Starks of Winterfall (it was probably somewhere in Canada), legendary king who defeated the last of the English dynasty of Lancasters and inherited all their gold. He is also said to claim the Iron throne and cal himself Iron man. His daughter Margeteth Stark took the family Thatcher because she married the Thatcher of Thatchwood, and inherited her father's title thus becoming Iron lady.

>>58903869
came here to post this

>>58909680
I enjoy the bit on the dark knight, being a britfag living near a village called Gotham (pronounced goat-ham)

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>this entire thread

>>58909875
This book gets weird towards the end...

>Those fear the green death of the southern mountains for winged demons live there, not even the Metal carts of the olden people could save them for the jaws of the green death could tear through them like a knife through butter.

>>58902865
That sounds like a fucking cool setting though.

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>>58909680
>Queen Celestia, was said to be an excellant equestrian and ride another legendary creature, pegasus.

>>58909680
The only one I don't recognise is Mi-kemmus, possibly because I haven't slept for 24 hours.

>>58910035
Mi-Kemmus
Pronounces Mee-Kay-moose

>>58910035
It's Mickey Mouse.

>>58901514
Seed vaults and nuclear waste sites.

>>58909703
>Meanwhile the east coast has had some of the worst winter weather in twenty years.
Yeah, it's like the weather is getting more extreme and unpredictable every year for some reason.

>>58910163
Oh, and pray tell what reason would that be, oh mighty arbiter of science?

Speaking of ancient shit, after some 10,000 years, would there be anything useful left in spent nuclear fuel rods to turn into a bomb?

>>58909962
It's called the venture brothers

>>58910163
>weather
>unpredictable

Weird, inits, it used to be so predictable in the past that you could set your clock to it.

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>They say that they're tombs, each holding the spirit of a great warrior of the past
>When the tribes need is great enough, this spirits shall erupt from their rusty holdings and return to fight alongside us

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>>58901514
where are we now, op. try and put it into words. now imagine it 500 years fro now with all context, and i mean ALL context removed. one shudders to imagine the horror

>>58901514
A peaceful Europe where people lived relatively good lives without constant fear of war and terror.

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>>58910419

>>58910194
Not him, but there's a reason they stopped referring to it by global warming and started calling it climate change? It's because the world is balanced finely enough in a number of places that warming in some areas can directly lead to cooling in others. Warming in the mountains leads to increased meltwater from glaciers, which flood bodies of water with cold water, lowering local temperature. Just because some of the world is having some cold periods, doesn't mean the entire world, or even that area in particular, isn't in a general trend of increasing temperature.

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I got nothing rebuilding my stash especially looking for the new Children of the Apocalypse setting

Will bump with post apocalypse chicks every few hours

>>58910148
I was looking for the plans for that one american nuclear site that would have had rather grim warning signs and wierd black pillars erected to keep unwanted people away and came across this article.
https://www.ft.com/content/db87c16c-4947-11e6-b387-64ab0a67014c

>>58910494

never mind I had the wrong tab open was meant for the main thread

>>58910271
Yeah, even as meteorological science advances, the weather keeps surprising us more and more with events that have been unknown since before the modern age.

But you conflate concern about the biosphere we're currently trapped inside of with hippies and libtards and think that you need to oppose science because otherwise people will mistake you for a libtard.

>>58908409
What's that?

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>>58910511
>no nuclear waste here, fellow refugees, come on in

>>58910419
Nobody gives a shit about europe

>>58910698
Federal Reserve Bank of New York's gold vault

>>58910691
>you conflate concern about the biosphere we're currently trapped inside of with hippies and libtards and think that you need to oppose science because otherwise people will mistake you for a libtard

You got a keen eye for reading between the lines there.

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>>58910760
But that's where I keep all my stuff.

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>>58903780
>>58903918
>>58904336
Not any more actually. Initially 30 seconds exposure was mild radiation sickness and 300 a two day death sentence but even 10 years after in '96 the radiation emitted was about 1/10th of what it originally was and 500 seconds was only mild radiation sickness and a little over an hour a barely fatal dose.
Photographers to this day walk right up to it to take pictures only needing breathing mask because the particulates in the air are essentially 20x worse than a decade of asbestos exposure.
In pic related this guy was actually taking a time shutter selfie way back in '96 which he routinely did just for fun while he got samples and was just one of hundreds he's done since. He's still alive and gave a minor interview in 2014 and he's perfectly healthy.
The REAL threat is that shot externally is only above ambient temp but internally reaction is still happening to some degree as pockets of material are now encased in melted together containment material, concrete, and sand causing heat to be produced in the center and under it where its slowly but surely melting through the floor of the basement and if it EVER hits ground water it will be another catastrophic explosion and/or poison the local massive water table and all water that cycles through it.
Someday, maybe 100's of years from now, when people can start living in the outlying areas again without fear of lifetime exposure to radiation, maybe pripyat will get back on its feet, they might be woken up by a massive explosion in the night from the Chernobyl containment dome and they'll all get evacuated to safe zones while they send in a new generation of liquidators who might even know they're running to their deaths this time but just like the old guard they'll do it just the same because its their duty.

>>58910379
>The ancestors devised the Spirit World from which they summoned great and terrible demons, image-horrors known collectively as the Mi'im. Some looked beasts, or men, or voluptuous aberrations. Others looked like words, or places, or splices of time and space that could move independent of reality around them. With their arcane Blackglass instruments they waged war with one another using these bound spirits, their actions secretly guided by the subtle machinations of the Spirit World's usurper, the dark god Al-Gauritym.

>>58903780
>nuclear lava

Correct term would be "corium".

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>>58906633
That particular photo in OP's image was actually taken close up at a later date around 1996 by a man present in the room. The radiation back then was only 1/10th of what it initially was so you could be in its vicinity for around 500 seconds before getting mild radiation sickness and over an hour before you received fatal radiation sickness.
It looks older due to the fact the radiation emitted by the foot messes with the film used to take the picture.

>>58906354
>VHS
This is a FUTURE myth thread, anon. All generations in high school right now and down have zero idea these existed and none known what the save icon represents either. They've already passed myth status straight to forgotten and we haven't even gone past the present era yet.

>>58904556
that looks like a brundlepenis, anon. ancient meme there.

>>58906617
This is amazing.

>>58911019
Hey now, LPs are still going strong. Just you wait, soon you aren't a 'true' movie fan if you don't have stacks of VHS cassettes.

>>58907422
We have some weird archive I forget the name of currently that uses some hardware designed to store digital information for the future designed for longevity(millions of years so long as its maintained otherwise several thousands on its own) with no loss getting off the ground right now.
>>58907522
>>58907731
>>58908074
We're actually testing out lab grown diamond grown on some sort of solid and dense metal cube that's only an inch or so across that we then etch at multiple levels using variable focus lasers on the nanoscale before sealing it up in some sort of clear impact resistant material for serious long term storage of data. A business sized suitcase could contain all of recorded history plus a decent sized plaque explaining what the cubes are and how to read them if this shit works.

Didn't /tg/ have a thread a while back where there were designs to warn humans in a post apocalyptic future of radiactivity? There were huge spikes made out of concrete, all of it was designed to look scary and alien to keep people away from the radioactive waste in the middle.

>>58909703
>>58909719
Are we actually denying climate change now?

>>58910204
Depends. A lot of the natural shit that was excavated might be bunk and the rods might be close but it depends on how refined they get and if there's still active material somewhere for you to get you could always refine it with a centrifuge and we have waste in stores that will still have radioactive solids in known places that will still be fissile feasible, when refined, for well over 10,000 years.

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>>58910355

>>58902865
>aircraft and battleships coexisting
They did though

>>58911283
It's the official stance of the US.

>>58911601
>I'm just a bit tired
But he's tracked

>>58903918
When it was really hot, the radiation was so intense it would even kill robots that photographed it.

>>58901514
The Fukushima nuclear reactor, and the robots that died trying to reach the center. The radiation gets intense enough to melt the delicate circuitry of the robots they send in. This means that in addition to dealing with the radiation, any future generation of robots we send in will have to be able to climb over the bodies of the previous generation of robots.

>>58910419
That's never happened though.

>>58911283
It's not OUR fault, it's a natural thing! Hundreds of years of burning fossil fuels has NOTHING to do with weather getting all fucked up!

>>58912075
You're right, it doesn't.

>>58910419
Well it's their fault for letting in the muzzies.

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>>58912075
And all those times when the weather has gotten wonky in the past when we didn't burn fossil fuels or didn't even exist? All the times climate models turn out not to be true? All the end of the world proclamations that we're all dead in a decades that have been going on for ages?

Where I live, we got plenty of issues related to this whole thing. For one, we can't use wind power because the days we'd need electricity the most are also the ones that are least windy. There's a push for renewable energy sources, but bio gas and wood pellets produce up to twice the amount of CO2 than natural gas and coal. Not to forget that for every ton of carbon we produce less, China pushes out 100 tons more, but local politicians don't want to hear about it.

So quite frankly, I'm not denying science, I'm just saying it's a fucked up situation where my opinion doesn't matter a damn and the road to hell is paved with good political donations on either side of the aisle.

>>58902865
>aircraft and battleships coexisting
Aircraft and battleships do coexist. The US military really is that hubristic.

>>58901514
A free and unregulated internet. In even 50 years, kids will think we're making shit up when we tell them how wild west the internet was in the 90s and early 00s.

>>58907731
Aren't we also reseraching storing information in crystals

>>58912075
The list of denials that people cling to is a lot longer than that.
First they say that the climate isn't changing. Then they say that it's a natural thing because of the sun or volcanoes. Then they say it's changing, but it's impossible to say why. Then they say it is changing, but that's a good thing. And then finally they say that it's changing and there's nothing that can be done about it because it's too late.

>>58912476
>global warming
>no, climate change
>no, man made climate change
>look at this hockey stick model, we're all doomed!
>ignore that hockey stick model, it wasn't right, but we're still doomed!

>>58912407
>but bio gas and wood pellets produce up to twice the amount of CO2 than natural gas and coal.
Where do you think the carbon those plants used came from?

>>58912542
The term climate change has been used alongside the term global warming for literally decades.

>>58912407
> Not to forget that for every ton of carbon we produce less, China pushes out 100 tons more
That isn't true at all. The US produces about 15% of global greenhouse gases, China produces 25%, and the EU produces 10%. Sure, China does produce a lot, as much as the US and EU put together. But they also have a bit less than twice the population of the US and EU combined.

>>58911720

...did?

>>58912605
Point is that in our quest to cut off fossil fuels for the PC renewable energy sources has meant that we're pretty much doubling our CO2 emissions. You know, for the environment and to combat climate change. Not to forget that you'd need thousands of bio gas plants to make up for a single nuclear reactor.

>>58912712
Yes. There has been only one major war in human history in which aircraft carriers played a large role. In that war, battleships and carriers were both used.

>>58912075
Even if it was our fault, we have to DENY it.

Otherwise, billions from India and Africa will move to our countries as their lands become incapable of supporting human life when the local wet bulb teperature exceeds 95 °F. Now if it is our fault,we have to take them in, but if its God’s will, we are perfectly justified in machinegunning every single of them.

>>58912763
Yet Europe, which is where most of those biofuel plants are located, has lower greenhouse gas emissions than the US. Both in total and on a per capita basis.

>>58912542
>you should always stick to the very first idea you come up with, even after it's been proven incorrect due to ongoing research

Did you intend to be ironic with this post

>>58912703
>That isn't true at all.

In 50 hours China produces more green house gasses as my country does in a year. We're in the top 10 countries in terms of renewable energy. There's like a dozen recycling bins outside of my apartment building. Statistically, last I checked, our impact on global warming is less than 0.00%. Yet our politicians are eager to cut our green house gas production and tell us not to look at other countries, just concentrate on feeling ashamed that we're not doing more.

>>58912867
So we should just ignore science?

>>58912904
The fact that your country has low GHG emissions is thanks to people trying to cut those emissions. That doesn't just happen, it's something that takes work.

>>58912792

>Looks up fact
>Discovers the US Navy no longers commissions battleships and the last two were struck from the register in 2006.

Well, shit. Today I learned.

>>58912972
No. We should pay attention to what happens in practice. And in practice a mix of renewables, some of which are biofuel, produces lower emissions than the US system.

>>58912712
Battleship refers to a specific class of warship with heavy armor and primary armament consisting of big guns. No one has battleships anymore as the concept was outdated by world war 2.

>>58913030
Wouldn’t they be great when you need to lay waste to some coastal areas for cheap?

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>>58910473
It's almost like, now hold on, this is a pretty radical opinion, it's almost like, seriously, you might need to sit down for this, it's almost like earth's climate has always and will always be in a constant state of flux.

>>58912979
You're ignoring the point that it's still not enough. It'll never be enough as long as they can use it as a political weapon. And while they double our CO2 emissions to get that 100% renewable energy achievement, they can start cracking down on other sources, like industry and private car ownership to punish the people for what the politicians are doing.

>>58912904
"We should give up because China" is ironically the same excuse that China uses, only with the US. Because the US isn't interested in doing anything about climate change, and even flat out denies it's happening at all, China doesn't see much reason to act. The US alone is capable of driving the current warming trend, so even if everyone else cuts back, we're still fucked. So given that the US wants to expand coal power and produce even more greenhouse gases, why would China go through the trouble of cutting back?

>>58913052
If you can afford to build capital ships and use them to bully enemy nation's coastlines, you can afford to use carriers or at least guided missiles.

>>58913030

Yeah, I beefed it. Totally ate shit on that one.

>>58913005
Ignoring the fact that using natural gas with other renewables would produce even less CO2 than bio gas and other renewables.

>>58913083
> political weapon
> punish people
> concentrate on feeling ashamed
Just so you know, not everything is an attack on you.

>>58913135
In isolation, sure. But the US system as a whole produces far more, and it is that way precisely because the fossil fuel industry is given so much power.

>>58913052
The deck gun on a Destroyer is perfectly capable of terrorizing soft coastal targets, and it does it a whole lot faster than a battleship's main guns will. If the targets are hardened, you're better off with missiles than floating artillery.

>>58913098
>"We should give up because China"

Nice strawman.

>is ironically the same excuse that China uses

Yes, because China was totally on board the reduction of green house gasses train when the US was.

>>58913098
Both China and USA will get buttfucked by global waming.

Meanwhie my country is fine, we might even get coastline.

>>58913056
That pic could not be any more appropriate for your post.

Holy shit, actual unironic climate change deniers. /pol/ was a mistake. What's next, vaccines are a conspiracy from cuck numale soyboys to weaken white men?

>>58913184
> Nice strawman.
No, it's literally your argument. You've condemned people pursuing GHG reduction because China isn't reducing emissions. In essence "We should give up because China."

> Yes, because China was totally on board the reduction of green house gasses train when the US was.
The never was. The closest it got was under Obama, and all that was quickly reversed as soon as Obama was gone. China looks at the US and sees a country that has no interest in longterm reduction of greenhouse gases.

> China was a country stuck in medieval times except for Bing-Jing, the capital, and Honk-Honk, the biggest port. The development of the rest of the country was greatly slowed down because of the ki magic most people of the region possessed. However, they lost the immense ki powers over the course of the late XX, XXII and early XXIII centuries when the rest of the country was industrialized. Even the most prominent researchers could not uncover the lost ki gene the Chinese once possessed.

>>58913250
Don't feed trolls.

>>58913216
> Meanwhie my country is fine
I sincerely doubt that, because even if you're one of the places that isn't going to get fucked by the warming itself, that just means that you're going to get swamped by refugees from the places that are getting buttfucked.

>>58913141
>politicians telling people that we must do more
>telling to not use China as an excuse and just do more
>pass more and more laws and regulations
>tax more and more

No, not affecting my life at all.

Like when they banned phosphates from detergents and replaced it with some clay or something for the same effect. Result was poorer quality detergent that broke my washing machine because the stuff clogged it up. Reason was that phosphates cause algae growth. They didn't ban the use of phosphates in farming, which is still a big industry, and vast majority of phosphates getting into lakes comes from farms.

>>58913309
> you're going to get swamped by refugees
Not if we kill them at the border because we haven't been cucked senseless.

>>58913250
No, vaccines are a conspiracy from the racists to eradicate non-whites, from satan-worshippers to poison Christians, or from reptiloids to take control over humans, depending on who you ask.

Now back to the thread's initial idea... Imagine this whole conversation being read by some future IV-channers of the XXIII century.

>>58905641
Some believed this creature could make females straight with a look alone. His yellow talisman held strange powers and could transform him into a beast creature of unimaginable power.

>>58913348
> No, not affecting my life at all.
Never said it wouldn't effect you, just that it isn't necessarily an attack on you or an attempt to punish you or any of that.

>>58913357
Why kill what you can enslave?

Imagine, sex slaves of all races, age categories and genders! Whatever you dick desires waiting for you in the refugee center! For free!

>>58913396
Most of these policies are literally an attack on the middle class while the rich and poor continue their eternal leeching.

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>>58913257
>No, it's literally your argument.

Ok. Pic unrelated.

>The closest it got was under Obama

And how much did China do in that time?

>China looks at the US and sees a country that has no interest in longterm reduction of greenhouse gases.

Which is ironic when the US looked at China first and came to the same conclusion. But, of course, it's all the US's fault. China would totally play ball, if it wasn't for the pesky Americans forcing their hand.

>>58911601
Fight the good fight, grandpa tank.

>>58913432
> And how much did China do in that time?
Nothing, because nothing actually came of it. It was all reversed before anything really changed.

>>58913357
That's the thing, though. It's weird how very few Syrians wanna go to places near the border like Poland but instead they wanna go to places like Germany where they can get paid for not having jobs.

>>58913432
> Which is ironic when the US looked at China first and came to the same conclusion.
Both are true. Welcome to the problem of collective action. Each party doesn't want to move because someone else might not move.

>>58913348
>They didn't ban the use of phosphates in farming, which is still a big industry, and vast majority of phosphates getting into lakes comes from farms.
Reminds me of how GE is the largest corporate source of greenhouse gases on the planet but every year on Earth Day NBC runs its logo bug in green and urges people to shut off the lights when they leave the room to make viewers feel like NBC cares about the environment.

>>58913396
>make my life more difficult, even though households as a source of phosphates are marginal when compared to farming
>tax me more and more for gas and for owning a car to cut down on CO2 emissions while promoting industries that produce more CO2 than their alternatives

>>58913477
> Poland
> near the border
> Syrians
What?

As for Germany, they went there because the German government said that it would take a bunch of them in. It turns out that if someone says that they'll help, people go to them first to get help.

>>58913477
It's not hard to understand. Poland had no handouts for foreign mooches, the locals hate Muslims, and if you rape a local you're beaten to death - I'd the police show up they'll help do it.

>>58913470
>Nothing

What a surprise. At least the US tried for a bit before things were reversed. China didn't even try.

>>58913555
Yeah, I fucked up when I said that Poland was near the border.

>>58913477
> It's weird how very few Syrians wanna go to places near the border like Poland
Where do you think Syria is, exactly?

>>58911019
Archives still use BETA and VHS record systems for multimedia because they oulast every kind of CD-ROM and Hard drive made so far, so there is a chance for it to be what they'll find about us.

>>58913585
This >>58913584

>>58910843
>The ancestors worshipped many fertility godesses (and some say, male gods dressed as females, albeit these claims have long since been dismissed) called Wi'fus based on their ideal concepts of feminity, and waged a great deal of wars in their names using black boxes, and that they unleashed dreadful weapons such as Mi'ims in their glory.

>>58913569
The US did nothing, so China did nothing. Obama's rules didn't even go into effect for the most part, they got hung up in court and delayed until a Republican could take office and undo all of them.

>>58913557
The Polish are pretty cool. They generally don't like National Socialism, Communism or Islam.

>>58911019
>This is a FUTURE myth thread, anon. All generations in high school right now and down have zero idea these existed and none known what the save icon represents either. They've already passed myth status straight to forgotten and we haven't even gone past the present era yet.
Dude the '80s is more popular now than it was in the actual 1980s.

>>58901514

Now for something a little different

>Yamatai-no-fune, the cauldron ship of the dead. Said to have been born from the womb a lost volcano and to have hosted the greatest crew that ever sailed, it fed itself on islands and cities on which it crawled like a ciclopean iron caterpillar. Its reign of terror was stopped only when Enola, the Laughing Maiden of Lightining, born from the sun itself, fall to earth an annhilated to fire and ashes the entire race of the rising sun that they (supposedly) betrayed. But even with its unberable shame, Yamatai-no-fune who didn't defend her land wasn't defeated: she still sleeps under the sea, and some say it will rise again. Some even think that in some days it can be seen in the distance.

>>58901578

In the futuristic technoscape they'd reconstruct shit tough. I mean, a roman dude would've been pretty puzzled by how we reconstructed his cities as stone white up to... I dunno, the sixties, but with the historians he'd know these guys tried their best and didn't dwell on legends. (not so much with the masses, but even then, I wouldn't think hollywood approach to history means these are "legends)
So I'll assume feudal future.

>>58913052

Rockets tend to counter that idea, being longer ranged.

>>58911019

Bullshit. I mean, it's not like anyone born in the 70s doesn't know what a phonogram was.

>>58913645
They used to be cool. These days though they aspire to be nothing more than dime store Russians. It's sad really.

>>58913636
>The US did nothing

So what exactly where the rules then? Because that seems like more than China did.

>>58901514
>Alternative scenario when we managed to nuked the hell out the planet at the end of the cold war
>The people that now dwell in the wastelands only know about the past theough what little it's still around, mostly cold war propaganda
>Remember ww3 as a war in heaven when men walked amond the stars and on the moon and armies waged war with fire and storm itself

>>58913690

I always liked how in Nausicaa it wasn't even dubbed a war (tough the do know it was). Like it's implied it was too big for us humans and it was somehow like a divine event.

To be fair in that setting shit was even worse than then usual, an half-biosphere destruction, even our domesticated species like horses didn't make it, and the very sea was dead.

>>58913687
They were supposed to be new emissions limits on power plants, but the industry sued to block or at least delay the rules so they didn't go into effect immediately. The strategy was to stall for time in the hope that a Republican would become president and rescind the rules, which turns out is exactly what happened. So ultimately the US didn't actually do anything, it just made some noise. China actually does similar stuff. You'll occasionally hear noise from the Chinese government about how they're going to do something about their GHG emissions, but they never actually follow through.

>>58913589
>archeotechnicians will ensure mankind be remembered for generations to come even as those generations increasingly forget about them and the tech itself
>someday we'll just have modem droning mechanicus's going down the stacks adjusting heads, hand rewinding, and using low PSI compressed air to lightly dust everything not fully understanding why but knowing that it fends off the demons that would posses the machines and cause them to devour the holy tape and all its scripture

>>58907422
I work in a record department.
First, we still have books and letters from the 1500 and earlier. We treat them, we take care of them. They're not gonna disappear overnight. And even if we stop taking care of it, they won't be unusable in 50 years. And the record department were I work exist since 1200~ and never stopped working. The disruption needed to make it stop would be MASSIVE.

Everything digital is stored, and converted to new format if needed, checked regularly, and converted to format that will last longer, with an international certification. And, it's also sometimes converted to paper, if needed.

Frankly the most likely thing is that an enormous amount of information will be conserved, even if a 3rd world war happens. If you want the archive to disappear, you'll need to nuke every record department. Even a single one has a staggering amount of information on ancient times, and our times as well.

>>58913655
Just because Player One is a terrible as fuck movie doesn't mean everyone is going to become a gunter.

>>58913687
From the looks of it the US is going to be moving backwards. One of the only things restraining US auto emissions is that California has some pretty strict emissions standards and the auto industry doesn't want to make a different line of products just for California, so they abide by its standards even on cars sold elsewhere. But now it looks like California is going to lose the waiver it needs to have those stricter standards, meaning US auto emissions standards are going to get a lot looser.

>>58913829
They had the technology to adapt to those conditions and even thrive in them, but instead they choose to terraform earth into hippie paradise that never was and sacrifice everyone who’s left

>>58913657
It's true, anon. Me and a few others routinely test them for shits and giggles when we pop out the old laser discs and nobody knows what a VHS is(or that vhs and betamax are different), what a floppydisk is, and about 95% of them didn't know cameras used rolls of film outside "the ones proffesionals use".

>>58912605
That's a good point
>Carbon in fossil fuels
>Remains sequestered indefinitely assuming you don't do anything with it
>Carbon in wood
>Eventually decomposes and releases carbon already in the short-term carbon cycle, burning speeds this exchange, meanwhile other trees are slurping that carbon back down
Forestry is there way if the future, keep new carbon out of the system.

>>58913950
How much has the situation in China improved? Prior to the last year or so?

This was shaping up to be such a fun thread. Now it's denying climate change and talking about killing refugees. I hope you're proud of yourself /tg/.

>>58914043
If carbon in the atmosphere is good for growing trees, then more carbon should be even better for forestry!

>>58914149
Outside of generals /tg/ is basically just a /pol/ annex.

>>58914149
>he doesn't want to kill refugees to keep his country stable during the great upheaval that comes with the uptick in heat in the earths NATURAL heating and cooling cycle
Get off our board.

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>>58914179
If carbon were the limiting factor on plant growth, maybe. But it isn't, water and soil nutrients are. If you had unlimited water and soil nutrients, then adding more carbon would improve plant growth. Otherwise it wouldn't help.

>>58914149
>This was shaping up to be such a fun thread. Now it's denying climate change and talking about killing refugees. I hope you're proud of yourself /tg/.
Yeah, and this isn't even the fun kind of /pol/ bait thread like we sometimes get.

It's just boring. Modern /tg/ is boring.

>>58914207
But we'll have a cure for alzheimer's before anyone here needs it.

>>58914144
It hasn't, so in that regard it's much like the US.

>>58914252
Maybe, but I doubt anyone here will be able to afford it without the wonders of socialized medicine.

>>58914149
>>58913250
Thank you for your input, it has been most helpful in shaping the conversation.

>>58914252
Doubtful. We have very strict laws and codes regarding human gene editing and we aren't big on eugenic programs so the shit genes that causes Alzheimer's will probably continue forever.
Unless everybody willingly gets tested then voluntarily gets sterilized shut like alzheimers and anemia and a lot of cancers will just be part of the human condition.

>>58914149
>about killing refugees.

I just want to hurt people nothing presonnel

>>58907806
This was a good thread.

>>58913909
He, I'm really liking it. Any good book for a post apocalypse or dieselpunk campaing, I'm always been between D&D, Conan and Anima, but I really want a game were the players will find a "city of knowledge" doing this.

>>58914252
>He thinks they'll have an outright cure for a disease and not a "treatment" to spend hundred of thousands of dollars over the course of a lifetime on

Laffin

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>>58911406
Ok. I remember reading that fuel rods could be enriched for plutonium and that it is going to be active even after 10,000 years, but wasn't sure.

Had an idea of people in the far future, long after the world was devastated and later taken over by an alien force, digging for a nuclear waste site for materials to refine themselves some nukes to use in an offensive against the invaders.

>>58912904
>our impact on global warming is less than 0.00%
You're not from Bhutan. Did you mean it would round to roughly that figure?

>>58914573
It's actually one of the reasons we produce so much waste from reactors. We could easily refine that waste down for yet more fissile materials but the more you do that the more you start making the materials needed for nuclear warheads which is also why we have to be careful when it comes to who gets nuclear reactors for power.

>>58913372
I read that as the seventeenth century at first glance, had a rather funny image in my head because of that!

>>58914149
/pol/ needs to be expunged from /tg/

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>>58913950
Good because California is such a reactionary state that sets laws and standards before bothering to do it's fucking research. I wouldn't mind setting standards to lower emissions, but some of the shit they peddle isn't helping and just drives the price of vehicles up, adds to my personal work load as a mechanic, for negligible benefits that sometimes turn out to actually so fuck all.

>>58911601
This made be tear up a little.

>>58901514
Ain't this basically the premise of the Shattered Sea series?

>>58914203
This. /tg/ is a board for intelligent discussion. Libtards should just kill themselves so we don't have to listen to their subhuman opinions.

>>58915356
I like your first statement, but I'm afraid the second statement does sadly contradict your first statement. I think they should say what they will and either the validity of those statements will dictate how truthful or intellectual they are, or you can propose your own counterargument.

>>58910419
T.noneuropean.
We tend to go to war against each other all the time.

>>58912407
>And all those times when the weather has gotten wonky in the past

https://www.xkcd.com/1732/

>>58915426
>le hockey stick may-may

>>58913557
It has more to do with Poland taking in tens of thousands ukrainian refugees that made a run from their US funded fascist state.

>>58913950
>auto emissions
>even remotely comparable to industrial emissions
They freak out about idling your car for 5 minutes yet industrial emissions dwarf auto emissions by orders of magnitude.

To actually make an impact you need to work on better capture in industrial spaces. But shaming civilians into higher taxes and hidden environmental costs is way easier

>>58907854
I must say that I love this idea and I think it's a great plot hook - players finding a token like that.

>>58915690
I just don't get why more countries aren't spending money on nuclear energy. It's far more feasible than a plan consisting of solar and wind farms.

>>58915690
This. It's hard to bully big business, who got big money, but bullying citizens is easy as fuck. Hell, I remember when they upped the VAT on food items and the politician for it said "what are people gonna do, not eat?" They don't give a single fuck, they just want your money.

>>58915713
Storing an ever-increasing amount of nuclear waste is unappealing.

>>58915775
Not if they develop ways to get rid of it.

>>58901514
It wasn't until the late 1800s that written works were required to be clearly marked as either "fictional" or "historical". As a result, for hundreds and hundreds of years it wasn't that uncommon for realistic (yet fictional) work to be taken as truth and included in history books as real events.
So imagine if the entire internet was printed out into book form today, and it spent the next 2000 years slowly decaying, with random segments being lost or destroyed, then being uncovered by future archeologists who take the whole mangled mess to be a work of completely earnest truth, because english is a dead language that they barely understand.

>>58915713
It's scary. That's really it. Nuclear is a badscary word and anytime you mention it people have visions of big mushroom shaped clouds and melting people.
Plus the general population believes that a swift kick to a nuclear reactor could set it off, completely ignoring the dozens of fail safes and decades of work it took just to figure out how to get the stuff to react.

And the few people who do understand the above tend to get hung up on disposal, like in this very thread. So it's a very tough sell

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>>58910419
>Europe
>no war

>>58913645
> Poles don't like...
They just stick to their traditional anti-semitism and Catholic doctrine.

>>58915841
True. But it's still interesting how France's main source of power is nuclear-based.

>>58915468
Maybe this will be better for you, faggot?
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

>>58915841
People get hung up on disposal because it is an issue that needs some manner of resolution, current methods don't actually cut it.

>>58906164
algorithm worship
>they believed that merit was an unfair means of electing leaders, so they devised a system where the leader was chosen randomly from the entire population with a random term limit
>the people who wrote the election algorithms were all killed so they couldn't reveal their hideous secrets
>people believed the algorithm was a manifestation of the will of supreme beings, some even believed the algorithm itself WAS a supreme being, and they would make offerings to please the algorithm in the form of sensitive personal information

>>58915713
A. Disposal of ever increasing waste.
B. Accerbating A we can only use our materials so much until we start making nuclear warhead material which makes everybody jumpy so that also limits it.
C. Zero public support because everybody thinks each reactor is a Chernobyl in waiting.
D. Shit happens and some do fail even really modern designs with all the failsafes and bells and whistles and when they do it's an environmental disaster issue.

Find a way to teach every idiot not to be an idiot, change the Laws of Probability towards our favor forever, calm down every single country everywhere about the weapons grade shit every reactor in ever country will be producing eventually effectively and forever, and then solve the disposal issue and we're all set.

>>58915713
Give it time. Once the PC options fail, but we want to be green(er), we might get back on track. It's funny how this scare has denied us any chance of developing better and safer options. We're still using the same water cooled reactors developed in the, what, 50's? And we have those only because the US Navy paid the bills, and they went with water cooling for totally unrelated reasons for a military force primarily operating in and around water. The Air Force worked on nuclear reactors as well, which would have given us those molten salt reactors, but since they couldn't make the reactors work (in that they couldn't make them small enough for bombers to fit in weapons as well), the funding was cut and nothing came of it.

Then you got breeder reactors that would be, as I recall, 100 times more fuel efficient, but we didn't bother with them because uranium wasn't as rare as we thought. And thorium reactors. And who knows what. But people would rather have the same old, antique reactor types, than have to deal with development of anything safer and more reliable.

>>58903451
Look at how much information gets either lost or obfuscated within simply weeks, people argue over the veracity of things said yesterday even if records of the modern day are preserved there is no certainty that the information that makes it to the distant future will reflect the objective truth.

>>58913557
You are retarded. Rape in Poland is almost unpunishable. Like, relatively recently a 16 yo git gang raped. They all got suspended sentence. About half of cases are not proceeded by the police at all. And judges love rapists. Seriously. 41% of sentences, that is, when the rapist is actually sentenced as guilty, are suspended sentences.
But hey, truth might actually hurt your fee fees of how great you are for belonging by birth to some group.

>>58915929
Really deep hole method is fine.

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>>58916116
this, can't we just dig a hole into the molten core of the planet and throw all our nuclear waste and plastic into it?

>>58916116
>>58916186
>they want to make an artificial natural reactor contained in a VERY small area
Have fun blowing out chunks of the crust you dumbasses.

>>58915468
So what about that infographic is incorrect?

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>After the Great War, the ancient kingdoms sealed their great weapons away in tombs deep within the Earth.
>these swords of fire were attended to by Missileers (ancient priests) who would anoint them with oil and appease the machine spirits.
>These swords are said to be so powerful that a single blow from them could render a city in two.

>>58916278
You do know that the hockey stick model is no longer used and even the person who created it said he was wrong, right?

>>58916299
>You do know that the hockey stick model is no longer used and even the person who created it said he was wrong, right?

not the guy that you're arguing with, but what's with the fucking "you DO know (thing), riiight?" shit?

just say "[the model] is no longer used and was discredited by it's creator", you sarcastic little shit.

>>58901514
Did anybody ever watch the show Caddilacs and Dinosaurs as a kid?
In one of the episodes some archeologists discover and ancient nuclear missile silo and inside is a active warhead, The main character ( a mechanic and scholar of the ancient pre-apoclyptic world) recognizes the symbol for radiation and the shape of the missile from a book he had read and tries to convince the scientists to leave the silo and seal it back up while everyone treats him like a superstitious whackjob getting spooked at ancient curses written in faded runes.
This seems like a possibility to me even without an apoclyptic event just due to language drift it's possible that at some distant point in the future people might stumble unto something like a nuclear disposal site and no longer be able to understand the symbols warning of the danger and accidentally irradiate themselves.

I love how the Wheel of Time series has a lot of references to modern day events and implies many times that the story is set in a far future (and past if you go by the cyclical nature of the world) version of our world. Except it warps the stories by thousands of years of retelling.

>Mosk the Giant is one of the stories in Thom Merrilin's repertoire. He had a "Lance of fire that could reach around the world" and he went to war with Elsbet, the Queen of All.
>"Did Mosk and Merk really fight with spears of fire, and were they even giants?"
The reference is Moscow and America using missiles and Elsbeth being queen Elizabeth.
It's pretty cool. Loving the thread.

>>58915796
>Storing an ever-increasing amount of nuclear waste is unappealing.
>Not if they develop ways to get rid of it.
Sounds great. We should develop a cure for cancer while we're at it. Make it a two-fer.

>>58916343
>quick, change to subject

>>58916045
She wasn't gang raped by Syrian refugees obviously. Any claim of a Polish woman getting hurt by a foreigner would lead to a huge chimpout, like when that girl died in Egypt on vacation and everyone wanted to call a crusade on Cairo.

>>58913645
>They generally don't like National Socialism, Communism or Islam.

First two are quite true, but the dislike for Islam is a pretty new thing and not as deep-seated as the others. One of the most famous MMA sportsmen in Poland is a devout Sunni from Chechnya and nobody gave him any trouble before the immigration crisis. Anti-Muslim sentiment is mostly caused by the situation in the West and in a lesser part, by importing American neocon propaganda.

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>>58916352
>Did anybody ever watch the show Caddilacs and Dinosaurs as a kid?
Fuck yeah. That was my first exposure to Xenozoic Tales (the comic that the cartoon was based on)

>>58916352
>This seems like a possibility to me even without an apoclyptic event just due to language drift it's possible that at some distant point in the future people might stumble unto something like a nuclear disposal site and no longer be able to understand the symbols warning of the danger and accidentally irradiate themselves.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/ten-thousand-years/

>>58916388
Nuclear waste can be reprocessed until its no longer significantly radioactive. Green freaks won't let us build breeder reactors to do that though.

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>very little remains of the history of the 20th-21st centuries following the great wars
>we've had to piece together their culture from what snippets we could find
>fortunately, it seems there was an collective of historians who took steps to ensure cultural items would survive
>how they knew this war was coming, how they had the foresight to do this, we'll never know
>but we are greatly indebted to the Blue Ship organisation for what they did

>>58913004
I would like to point out that the Red Navy was not sold on the "carrier as main fleet asset" idea for a long time after WWII.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirov-class_battlecruiser

Their idea on the furture was replacing big guns with very big anti ship missiles. Think 500 kiloton warhead ( 31 Hiroshima's basically) going mach 2.5 with a armored anti aircraft proof shell on it. They could launch that faster then a USN carrier could get fighters in the air.

>>58913030
>No one has battleships anymore as the concept was outdated by world war 2.
>outdated by world war 2.

If you are going by the war in the pacific, IJN vs USN starting in 1942 then yes. However WWII started in 1939 and the Germans tried to start it in late 1938. Carriers still had a lot of operational issues in 1939 that I will not go into because this is not /k. Even most carrier primacy admirals felt that new battleship designs would needed into the late 1940s/1950s at the start of WWII.

Turns out the war gave the funds & casualties write off to force carriers to mature a lot faster then excepted.

What the blankety blank bleep... okay, an hour ago I was lurking /tg/ in my main browser, and everything was normal. Now I can get on the site and view threads, but NOTHING else-- no hiding threads or posts, no REPLYING by any means, can't see reply chains when hovering, clicking images brings them up in new windows instead of enlarging... basically all the on-page scripts went dead.

I'm in my secondary browser now and the website is normal, but I freaking hate this thing and so does my computer. What even is going on?

>>58911753
Maybe on paper, but our government is riddled with climate change denier retards who are either actually that fucking stupid or just pretending because Big Oil is paying them to say that shit and they’re too morally bankrupt to turn down the cash. There is literally a disinformation campaign/conspiracy to make sure that enough ignorant masses and people with credibility shout about how climate change is fake to keep people doubting it, and therefore block relevant legislation from passing so as to preserve the power and money of the corporate elite who stand to gain from the continued destruction of the environment, hang the consequences.

And at this point there’s not much that can be done except damage control.

>>58916352
Somebody above mentioned it but a while back we had a damn good thread about things to put near dangerous shit like nuclear waste or chemical weapon dumps to deter anybody regardless of the language barrier or their state of civilization.
Large, imposing, and sinister structures were the end result. Sharp spike like pyramids in very bright imposing colors surrounding the area and minor deterrents like caltrops or actual spikes between them and the danger were what was settled on if I recall.

>>58916673
So, in other words, politics.

>>58916622
>I'm in my secondary browser now and the website is normal, but I freaking hate this thing and so does my computer. What even is going on?
Hiro's probably trying out a new malware suite.

>>58916673
Cloud albedo modification could completely counteract any computed co2 effects. Cheaply.

Meanwhile greentards think spending all the fiat money in the universe on solar panels and nasty chemical batteries is going to save the planet.

>>58907622
I dunno man I think even back then it was pretty crazy

>>58916686
>Large, imposing, and sinister structures were the end result. Sharp spike like pyramids in very bright imposing colors surrounding the area and minor deterrents like caltrops or actual spikes between them and the danger were what was settled on if I recall.
But everyone who's knowledgeable about this subject agrees that any attempt to make the area a "SERIOUSLY GUISE DON'T GO HERE I'M SUPER-SERIOUS" locale will just invite graverobbers and treasure hunters.

I like the idea of the genetically engineered cats that change color in the presence of harmful radiation, and working to create a long-lasting meme about how if you see those cats changing color, run away as far as you can.

>>58916812
I wonder, what's the environmental impact of a regular light bulb with a tungsten filament vs. one of those "environmentally friendly" light bulbs?

>>58916833
>forcing a meme

That always goes well, doesn't it?
...
My god, you think Millhouse was a trial run?

>>58907422
Bitrot is a problem, but we are developing read-only memory that will last millions of years in that glass disk thing. Using a laser to inscribe bits into a glass disk that can have like 5 or 6 variations based on intensity of warping and orientation. A dollar coin sized disk can store something like 100 terabytes of data.

>>58916866
We don't know, there aren't enough of them in landfills yet.

>>58916775

It just went right back to normal on my main browser. I had to reconnect and disconnect my 'net but I'd already done that once with no effect, so... maybe you're right and he finished the test or something. Very confused, but grateful to be able to quit this before my computer heats up.

>>58916898
Aren't magnetic tapes suppose to be very good at storing info? Isn't that one reason they're used for storing information for a long time?

>>58912903
You're not old enough to have lived through the first dates they told you the earth was going to end yet. I was told in school the earth would be unable to support life variously in 1999. 2010, and 2015

You know it's a communist/big government ploy because the answer is never something effective like stop immigration, or stop spending money. It's always to give the government more power amd to increase taxes and spend more money on shit.

>>58916911
It's amazing how much we can know, but nobody punched the numbers on these things. Well, I hope I can live long enough for some future generation calling us all retards for thinking this was a good idea.

This is such a fun thread, anyone arguing about climate change or refugees needs to just quit worrying for ten minutes and participate! Just have some fucking fun, you’re on /tg/ for God’s sake

>>58916952
Hey, remember peak oil? That was suppose to end the world as we know it decades ago. Last I heard, 10 years from now we'll be all dead. Time to get that bank loan, I suppose. Screw the interest rates, I got science on my side.

>>58916444
That's relieving to know she's been raped by the right kind of guys.

>>58916866
Surely you didn't throw them out in the trash, anon. They need to be sorted with the hazardous waste

>>58916990
You're the only one not having any fun. So go suck a lemon and fuck off.

>>58916500
...what the fuck does blue peter have to do with this, Anon?

>>58910473
Well no, it was that the immediate effects of global warming lead to significant change in climate rather than direct heating.

And also climate scientists were tired of the "whatever happened to global warming?" jokes whenever it snowed.

That it being abnormally and alarmingly warm in the arctic has in turn led to northern europe and the US being inundated with blizzards because hot air expands and pushes cold air elsewhere is a good working example of why scientists might have shifted terminology.

But it was mostly the annual winter "global warming" "joke" they were sick of and because scientists are NERDS they don't understand that if you shift your position and don't stick to your guns the bullies will just target you harder in the place you made clear you're sensitive about.

>>58916982
1980-2020 is going to be remembered as the "catastrophically retarded decisions based on social marketing" generation.

>>58912407
You realize batteries are a thing, right? Also, no one is referring to burning wood as a renewable energy source, and you know that.

>>58917039
>hazardous waste

I'm sure anything that's classified as hazardous waste is good for the environment. A little glass and metal? Fuck that, give us hazardous waste, it's the only way to save the planet!

>>58917055
They retained the knowledge of civilisation through practical guides on reusing the only thing they knew would be left after The Event: Washing up liquid bottles.

>>58912620
Climate change became the preferred term after constant
>LOOK AT SNOW
>GLOBAL WARMING RIGHT?!
arguments were used to deny it.

>>58916686
>Sharp spike like pyramids in very bright imposing colors surrounding the area and minor deterrents like caltrops or actual spikes between them and the danger were what was settled on if I recall.
The problem with that idea is that 1: cultural significance regarding colors differs between cultures so while we may consider red to be imposing another culture may consider it romantic or calming. 2:The more dangerous or imposing we try to make something look the more people will be curious about it and those very qualities may one day entice people to visit and excavate the area even more.
Consider the pyramids of egypt they were filled with traps,dead ends, and warning of curses and regardless people were entranced with them and only wanted to explore them more because of the supposed dangers.
What if the hieroglyphs were actually trying to warn about a massive deposit of radioactive/toxic material being quarantined there and the archeologists of the time mistranslated "biohazard" for "curse"?

>>58917094
>You realize batteries are a thing, right?

Weird how nobody's building massive batteries here to store all that wind energy to use it when we really need it.

>no one is referring to burning wood as a renewable energy source
>http://www.fao.org/forestry/energy/en/
>"Today it is still the most important single source of renewable energy"
>http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Wood_as_a_source_of_energy
>"Energy supply has always been one of the main uses for wood. Policy interest in energy security and renewable sources of energy, combined with relatively high oil and gas prices, has led in recent years to a reassessment of the possible use of wood as a source of energy."

>>58916486
>future people read from bottom up
>"Feeling ill? Find this mark. You'll feel better."

>>58916952
What are you even trying to argue here? The post you replied to said that scientists change their models and predictions as new information is discovered.

>>58907962
>And behold, there was at that time a foul conjurer, whose name was Shi (1.Shi: Death, or Four, in the language of the Samur), and his army of faceless men. Each soldier wore a mask, pale and grinning a mocking, toothless grin, in perverse parody of a convict they had slain and burned. Shi was cruel, and wise, and his army would hunt those whom Shi's twisted mind found who had slighted him, for it is said that Shi did neither forgive, not forget, a single insult.

>>58917055
Just thought it'd be funny if the only source of information future historians had was from their time capsules.

>>58917343
It's just that changes to a mathematical equation, the distance of stars, historical dates or the genealogy of ancient kings doesn't affect the whole world. When we get one model of climate change and start working on that, by the time the world starts to settle in on that idea we've already had 3 more that counter the first one.

There's a reason every textbook in the world isn't changed the moment some scientist makes a new discovery and everyone else looks at it and goes "yeah, that about checks out."

>>58917343
Because it's like a doomsday cult leader changing his prediction for the third or fourth time. The only people that still believe this shit are the kids that are fresh out of being brainwashed at school.

>>58909875
>>58909918
That book was awesome.
Seriously, i have the intro describing the nuclear war almost memorized:

>It was said that God, in order to test mankind which had become swelled with pride as in the time of Noah, had commanded the wise men of that age, among them the Blessed Leibowitz, to devise great engines of war such as had never before been upon the Earth, weapons of such might that they contained the very fires of Hell, and that God had suffered these magi to place the weapons in the hands of princes, and to say to each prince: "Only because the enemies have such a thing have we devised this for thee, in order that they may know that thou hast it also, and fear to strike. See to it, m'Lord, that thou fearest them as much as they shall now fear thee, that none may unleash this dread thing which we have wrought." But the princes, putting the words of their wise men to naught, thought each to himself: If I but strike quickly enough, and in secret, I shall destroy these others in their sleep, and there will be none to fight back; the earth shall be mine.
Such was the folly of princes, and there followed the Flame Deluge.

>>58917273
>future people read from bottom up
>"Feeling ill? Find this mark. You'll feel better."
That's actually one of the points that the think tank made. Unfortunately most people can't be relied on to understand that the tree next to the man indicates the passage of time.

>>58910271
>it used to be so predictable in the past that you could set your clock to it.
Actually, ask your old folk and the peasant predictions associated with christian holidays.

>>58916352
https://youtu.be/iI7227GHvQY

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>>58917223
>wood is the most important resource
>according to a forestry organization
>the brain is the most important organ
>according to the brain

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>>58910419
but that's boring anon

>>58916293
See >>58917679

>>58917629
>Unfortunately most people can't be relied on to understand that the tree next to the man indicates the passage of time.

Seeing that the tree doesn't grow in the first two images and in the 3rd the box is gone, one could assume that it's a different tree at a different location.

>>58917538
>Because it's like a doomsday cult leader changing his prediction for the third or fourth time. The only people that still believe this shit are the kids that are fresh out of being brainwashed at school.
Not really. It's more like someone saying "we thought that thing was true, but now that we've studied it more, we think this thing is actually true".

>>58917732
>Seeing that the tree doesn't grow in the first two images
It actually does if you look closely. The artist just didn't do a very good job showing it.

>>58917163
1. Assuming they're human we have instinctually rooted responses to various colors that also piggyback off how our retinas see the world. Neon yellow, neon orange, neon green, and any form of black in combination cause us to stand at attention more and dump small amounts of adrenaline into our systems which is why it's our global color scheme for toxic areas, construction areas, and dangerous areas in general as well as safety wear for visibility.
Standing theory is we too instinctually recognize organisms with vibrant and contrasting colors as toxic and to be avoided like every other animal does.
2. People form superstitions easily it's just how we're socially built and it still happens to this day but it was much more prevalent prior to disseminated and easily attainable knowledge.
Giant, imposing, and trap surrounded spike pyramids that fill you with an inherent sense of foreboding and fear you can't quite place would be vilified easily and superstitions would easily form. As for the actual pyramids people KNEW treasure was in there and at least 2 of them were broken into by people who knew exactly how to do it. There is no obvious treasure here only fear and pain.

>>58916812
>nasty chemical batteries
SILENCE MY CAR IS CLEAN!!!

>>58917687
>food and agriculture = forestry

>>58916299
So the previous data is wrong? The current spike? The extrapolation?

>>58917809
Fake news!

>neo-primitives run into a sperm bank
>"my brother, those vaults contain the powerful seed of the ancients. we will summon an ancient to our tribe"
>impregnate a woman with it somehow
>what the fuck

>>58917770
>It actually does if you look closely. The artist just didn't do a very good job showing it.

Or it's just drawn very badly, seeing that the box and the logo on it also change size and shape. Also, there's 6 flowers under the tree in panel 1 (3 on either side), 5 flowers in panel 2 (2 on the left side and 3 on the right side), and 5 in the last panel (now 3 on the left side and 2 on the right side).

>>58917809
Lets wait 10 years and see how it's wrong then.

>>58913432
>And how much did China do in that time?
China is actually doing shit.
In fact, climate disasters are the #1 fear of regular chinese. Japs are scared of nuclear shit, euro citizens of terrorism, and muriccans of civil war, or something like that.

>>58917849
Given sperm-banks use of tall college graduates it might even work as described, if there's been sufficient population inbreeding/mutation.
>This guy must be part god! He doesn't have hemophilia!

>>58916952
Oh God you're serious

>>58917927
Now the twist is
>the neo-primitives are niggers

>>58917980
>Behold!
>This pale ancient can drink milk!
>Truly a wondrous being.

>>58917924
Sauce?

>>58909332
"Carry the vinegar"

>>58917980
>so's the ancient

Sheeeeiiiit!

>>58917891
I'm just waiting for an actual, fact-backed argument that isn't just "the libtard (((media))) are brainwashing you to give more power to the government instead of cutting down on immigration" or such.

>>58917995
And now the twist is
>white neo-primitives run into a sperm bank
>kid turns out a nigger

>>58907522
>microfilm
Well, there's this right now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarastollen_underground_archive

>>58917773
>Assuming they're human we have instinctually rooted responses to various colors that also piggyback off how our retinas see the world.
Quick Is white a happy color or a scary color?
How about black?
In the western world white is a color of purity and happiness but in asia it's a color that represents death and is considered unlucky.
Are asian nonhuman?
This shit is cultural not genetic.
> There is no obvious treasure here only fear and pain.
They would not realize that until it was already too late though.
Imagine that it's 3218 AD and while on a fishing trip in the Mediterranean you come across the flooded ruins of venice and you spot just barely sticking out above the water a building completely covered in ivy and debris but with a visible entrance but covered in numerous rusted dirt covered signs an unfamiliar ancient symbol, the building is shaped like a pyramid which you know from history class was a bit unusual even back then and there are bits of mostly faded orange paint on the outside, what and unusual building this must have been an important place you're going to be famous for finding these ruins you wonder if there is treasure inside?

>>58917870
>Or it's just drawn very badly
I got the impression that it was just a napkin drawing by one of the think tank members as a mock-up. The "real" version would be created by someone with artistic skill.

>>58918110
Personally, I think they should do absolutely everything in their power to convey that each slide is an increase in the amount of time: sun-dials, phases of the moon, falling objects, blooming flowers, growing child, growing tree, all sorts.

>>58909608
i wasn't prepared for those feels

>>58918058
>Black sperm
>sperm bank
Not in Ameirca.

>>58918045
You'll get your answer in 10 years time, I promise.

>>58918092
>This shit is cultural not genetic.
Yes it is. White and black aren't but collors like bright yellow have been scientifically shown to irritate the observer.

>>58917929
Yes, absolutely I have always been told I better vote for either one of the major parties if I care about people, and don't want to die. I was also told not to breed because I'm white

>>58918159
>sun-dials, phases of the moon, falling objects
That shit's too esoteric.

>phases of the moon to show time
>Hey, this says that the people whose religion uses a circle for a symbol will be happy when they touch the box, but the people whose religion uses a crescent for a symbol will be unhappy when they touch the box

>>58918008
On the fear thing, or China taking measures?
On the former, here are some articles of varrying dates:
https://tribune.com.pk/story/921938/what-countries-around-the-world-fear-the-most/
http://www.pewglobal.org/interactives/greatest-threats-around-the-world/

>>58916444
>One of the most famous MMA sportsmen in Poland is a devout Sunni from Chechnya
What's the deal with naturalized chechen sportsmen?
Romania has one, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Saritov

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>>58916952
>I was told in school the earth would be unable to support life variously in 1999. 2010, and 2015
Yeah, i remember when we were scared shitless of overpopulation(as in 20+ billion humans), acid rain, the ozone layer, later plastic microbeads, nukes, stuff like that.
What happened?
Oh right, we banned that shit, invested some money, voluntarily changed our habits etc., and now we aren't scared of rain giving us chemical burns as we fight for oil in slums of atomically contaminated cities.

>>58918092
Neither it's an attentive color very few things in nature are white when compared to the surround enviroment unless you mean a sort of dirty white. It's a break in the pattern our brains can pick up much like the whites of somebody else eyes giving us a social focal point.
Ontop of that those colors I mentioned have been scientifically proven to cause the viewers to be uncomfortable. It's a sort of lizard brain survival cue and the small adrenaline dump not only prepares us to fight or flight but also to put us on edge physically as well as a sort of double warning about those colors.
Actually cognitive association of colors is cultural yes but we're literally built to respond a certain way to various colors on our visual spectrum for our own survival which requires no cognitive association to yield.
It doesn't matter if they don't realize there's no treasure they'd have no reason to assume there'd be any in the first place unlike plenty of graverobbers in Egypt who knew gold was buried with the entombed.
As for the last bit it depends on the argued setting. Past people would avoid it future people would be smart enough to know why they should avoid it and both would learn to stay away once a few died if the prior failed then the association would be set with the pyramid structures.
Also they'd be surrounding the site as mentioned not being the building. Think stone henge style rings of those pyramids far out from the site itself.
See a pyramid fence, get curious, walk past it, OW! Tons of stuff between this ring and the next that hurts!, associate that with the objects and tell others.

>>58918410
Should be noted that the survey is between the 7 given questions. So just because Chinese found chimate change in 2015 to be the biggest of the 7 (I don't know how much China would see territorial disputes with China as a threat, for example), it might not be their biggest concern overall.