>>59412072
I''ll repost the last bit of write faggotry from the last thread, just so you guys know, this ain't my stuff. I'm just reposting it.

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What we do know:

That they are the descendants of early colonists in one of the lost colony ships and as they have been separated from the Tau Empire since then they have not benefited from any new technological developments and are still using tech not too much far advanced from 20th century Earth, bar recently imported toys.

Their world was described as the more habitable of the two inhabitable worlds in the Nemesor's Estate but that's not a great achievement as the other one is very borderline.

They have abandoned the caste system due to the limited gene-pool and have interbred to the point were they wouldn't easily fit into the modern caste system.

The Nemensor occasionally visits them in an official capacity to remind them that he still exists and this is still actually his planet. They pay some minimal and mostly symbolic tribute as they don't have anything particularly valuable.

They aren't aware of anything in the Tau Empire since the date they lost contact with it and the Tau Empire is totally unaware of their existence and considers the lost colony ship ancient history long since dead and buried.

>>59412351
If it's an ancient Necrontyr world, and given how close it is to Zahndrekh's home it must have been at least sparsely populated as it does have an atmosphere, then it would have been a potential target for Old One and their servants to attack. Also Zahndrekh never set up his home there so that would imply that it was never a particularly nice place even before the Old Ones wrecked it and as the Necrontyr had a high discomfort threshold then it must have been really shit. Gidrim by contrast might have been pretty verdant before the War in Heaven broke it and the subsequent ~65,000,000 years of neglect.

And it is barely inhabitable for Tau who are native to a slightly arid but warm planet. To this end I'm going to suggest that the planet is shit because it looks like the arse end of Antarctica. It's cold and wet and for an added bonus the o-zone layer is a bad joke. There is life on the surface, the flora caps out at a bit of hardy moss and the most exciting fauna is a beetle looking thing the size of a human thumbnail that moves very slowly and eats moss. There is also a bit of pink algae in the ice and a type of worm that very slowly corkscrews through the ice.

The sea is a little more interesting. There are crabs and snails but nothing as complex as a real fish. The local Tau eat mostly the kelp and seaweed and reserve snail and crab for special occasions. Thankfully the snails like creatures grow big enough and have enough fiber material in them that their skin can be used for making clothing out of and they typically have enough fat and oil content that they can make fire from them with a bit of effort. One of the things Nemensor Zahndrekh donated to them out of charity was fresh, warm insulation cloth thus instantly gaining their trust

The planet has no axial tilt or moon so there is no tide or seasons. One day is much like another; shit. The hydro system is minimal and most of he fresh water is holed up in ice caps at the unnecessarily large poles

>>59412364
I>>I'm doing this in case the guy in question wants to follow up with anymore posts

The life forms on the planet (we really need a name for this planet) seem to be derived from two prior existing ecosystems that have either evolved in total isolation from each other or many species have been imported from elsewhere after the initial terraforming work was done. Many of the lifeforms have genetic markers consistent with life found on other old Necrontyr world but the others show resemblance to Tarellians. It can be assumed that either the Necrontyr took and inhabited a former Old One colony or simple cross contamination occurred accidentally. After so many eons without record it's now impossible to know.

The Tau better off now than they were. When Nemensor Zahndrekh found them they were still living in the disassembled remains of their original colony ship with a few outbuildings and extensions made of local stone, using technology they couldn't reproduce or replace, gradually dwindling away. Nemensor Zahndrekh did offer them far more than they would take, they had their pride and didn't know him yet. Indeed their ancestors set out from the homeworld before the Tau had made first contact so the notion of alien intelligence was still pretty world shaking.

As it stands now the Tau have the ability to replace most of the tech that they are using, very slowly and carefully. They have mines and a few workshops and processors. Their population is on the increase and they have several satellite settlements, each as bleak seeming as the original landing site. Sometimes they will wonder about the old homeworld their ancestors set out from but it is a distant event, many generations removed from living memory or relevance.

>>59412364
Didn't we mention it had really bad ionizing radiation, or is that the planet the Nemesor lives on?

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>>59413820
That was the world he lives on. Although this one is also pretty shit.

>>59412379
Will do as soon as I can get to a computer. Hadn't realised post count on last thread or would have waited for this one.

>>59412379
Of the Tau themselves they are physically distinct from the main branch Tau lines. They hail from a time when the differences between the castes was not yet as physically noticeable due to centuries of gentle eugenics. The original colony expedition contained mostly earth caste as the colony was supposed to be set up, become self sufficient quickly and wait several years at least for the next wave of settlers to arrive as this was in the early days of Tau interstellar travel. Though there was a triumvirate of ethereals, their water caste scribes and administrators, a few air caste messengers and piolets as well as a detachment of fire caste enforcers. The presence of the fire caste being in the event of social break down caused by extreme conditions on the intended target planet rather than as a deterrent to pirates or raiders, sapient aliens still being a theoretical possibility rather than an accepted part of life at this stage of Tau history.

In appearance the Yokel-Tau mostly resemble earth caste with broader feet, more prominent cheekbones, a generally broader build and slightly stubbier fingers. It is unknown if this is a direct multi-generations long adaptation to the constant cold or if it is just a fortuitous result of the various breeds of that species mingling into a new form.

Society is built around resource conservation, thrift and sustainable long term planning using principles set out by the original triumvirate for the simple and inescapable reason that anything else would have gotten them all killed centuries ago. Life is short and hard which is a good way of describing the people that have had to adopt it although life is also harsh and unforgiving which is an unfair comparison as since the arrival of the Nemensor they have been very welcoming of outsiders, if nothing else it broke the sense of utter isolation they were feeling.

>>59416643
The capital "city" of Aloh'Eur'ii (using this as the planet names unless there are objections as it is Tau for Cold wind bitter tears) now that it is not alone as a settlement has been named Sho'aun'or'es as it can either mean the heat of a reactor or can be used to mean general sources of power. Either direct translation works as it is the source of planetary authority and the city and especially the dwelling places are all huddled around the ancient colony ship's reactor for warmth.

>>59412072
Does NIghtbringer know where Dragon is?

>>59419517
Possibly, but the Void Dragon is the most whole C'tan remaining, surpassing the Nightbringer, so even if the Sol system was unoccupied the Nightbringer would bide his time before any sort of action. The Void Dragon also has a bigger warp reflection/pseudo-presence than the Nightbringer because its been semi-active and influencing mortal minds for millions of years. This could be another reason the Nightbringer is siring lines of Nosferatu across the galaxy, not just for the sake of power in the abstract, but to more rapidly surpass the Void Dragon and other potential rivals.

I recall something in earlier threads that the Nightbringer also has pretenses of becoming the master god and killing or dominating all other major powers (mostly killing). This seems similar to Khorne, BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY, but honestly megalomaniacal killer gods seem pretty universal.

>>59416643
>Of the Tau
Way to destroy a really good thread.

>>59420507
What are you on about?
>>59416643
I like it, gives a very bleak yet cozy feeling, like that arctic courrier cute/horror setting from a while back.

>>59420611
Tau don't belong in 40k at all.

>>59420611
Would it be too far to have rumours of haunted mountains that cause madness and possibly also the ruins of an impossibly old city?

>>59419517
Seeing as he was one of the ones who shoved him in the box I would say yes.

>>59420953
Given it's a former Necrontyr world one would almost say it's a given. The Gidrim dynasty might be nice but some of the stuff they left around might not be.

>>59420797
fuck off then, you're clearly not interested in this setting.

>>59421124
How often should the Nemensor visit his little blue friends?

>>59421937
It depends. He is depicted as caring about his subjects, so probably once every few decades maybe.

Are there any cute HumanxEldar romance stories yet? The boner in my heart needs attention... I would write one myself, but I'm absolute shit at writing.

>>59423786
There was some in the early threads.

>>59421218
i'm just not interested in Tau maybe they can find a spot on startrek?

>>59425142
then go to some other AU or some other thread and stop shitposting here

Just report the shitposter guys.

Anyway, onto something newish. So, the Silver Skulls chapter have good relations with the Eldar because the Silver Skulls are tasked with webway security, right? Has this been fluffed out? Any writefaggotry done on this topic yet?

What's Ultramar's military like exactly? I would assume the Ultramarines are a part of it, but what are their regulars like? Better equipped guardsmen?

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>>59426675
Don't think there's been a full write-up for the Silver Skulls yet. There's a few sentences on the Notes page, but it's basically what you said. Presumably they get along pretty well with the Harlequins if they're entrusted with the duty of securing the Webway gates on Imperial territory, and I would expect the S. Skulls to have some relatively close relations with the Sons of Antaeus, and perhaps the Daemon Breakers (maybe not so much Ahriman's guys), considering how both Chapters spend their time roaming the galaxy.

Unrelated, I did a random drawing for an Imperial battlecruiser in an attempt to apply some of the Art Deco aesthetics of this AU. No big write-up like with the Mk. 24 Leman Russ MBT, just a small blurb below.

The Blade Of Luna (other name suggestions would be great) is one of the first in a series of modified Mars-class battlecruisers equipped with oversized engines, the sensor networks of an Emperor-class battleship, and cutting edge vox warfare systems. Recently built by the shipyards based around Luna, not the orthodox masters of Mars, it is designed to serve as a support ship maintaining inter-fleet communications and tracking enemies for improved battlefield awareness.

This description vastly oversimplifies their role. While rebels and pirates who barely know how to keep a stolen ship's anti-gravity working are little threat to the pirate-extermination forces that a ship of this type would lead, the Cron Eldar, Necrons, Olamic Quietude, and Dark Mechanicus, to name the most infamous, all have their own foul brand of technosorcery.

>>59426675
There was all of one mention of how Barabas Dantioch got sidelined which led him to start researching the Webway in the Hrud entry.

>>59420485
On the other hand, Nightbringer has been supplementing more of it's lost power with Warp power, given he's only about half whole while Void Dragon is > 90% whole. Which ironically makes him a literal undead mechanical Star God. Nightbringer is also tied into a much more universal concept (fear of death) than the Void Dragon (creation/destruction, but really only the AdMech are directly supplying it with power).

The three most powerful C'tan during the War in Heaven were the Nightbringer, Void Dragon, and the Outsider. That's why they were the main targets of Cegorach, the Deceiver, and the Silent King. Which is probably why Void Dragon felt safe confronting his kin in Sol, until he found out Nightbringer was getting Warp gains on the side and beat the crap out of him.

Void Dragon is actually at a disadvantage compared to Nightbringer when it comes to the Warp. All Void Dragon knows is "it exists, is important, need to know more about it" and can't leverage it as well as other gods. Nightbringer has more experience with using it to get juiced up. If the Dragon tries to use Warp power to get the edge on Nightbringer he's going to have a bad time.

Khorne doesn't seem to necessarily want to kill the other gods but wants them subjugated and bound at its feet. This seems to tie into Khorne’s original purpose and why it went mad, Khorne was originally created to coordinate the Old Ones’ forces and bring order to a disorderly galaxy but snapped when it was unable to do so. In his good moments, Khorne would love to see Tzeentch and Slaanesh made servile but has no problems with killing them if they won’t fall in line (like how Khornates hate psykers but have no problem with using enchanted weapons), plus he still has his legendary temper and may just try killing them anyway.

Khorne is ironically the closest thing in this timeline to a Chaos God of order, which illustrates a peculiar thing about the nature of war. Warlords wage war in the name of creating order, but create chaos in their wake through the mass killing, the fleeing refugees, the collapse of social order, etc. The harder you try to impose control the more power slips through your grasp.

And of course he's still the bloodthirsty berserker we all know and love. It's just he has a "tranquil fury" setting in addition to "all-consuming rage".

>>59429082
Slaanesh is the one who wants to kill the other gods because technically all of Chaos can be seen as an embodiment of excess (wish I had the picture that explicitly said this from the game books), but even then the motivation differs. Nightbringer wants to kill the other gods because a god has no peers. Slaanesh wants to kill the other gods because it wants more more MORE.

>>59428929 (cont.)
Daemonic scrap-code can cut power to point defense arrays just long enough to let a barrage of boarding pods bite into the hull, secure encryptions can be cracked in milliseconds by machinery powered by broken star gods, crucial orders can be lost under a tidal wave of jamming signals, augurs that previously tracked micrometeorites from one end of the solar system to the other suddenly lose their visuals; the list goes on. The Imperial Navy has learned its bloody lessons over ten thousand years of war, and its more technically-minded factions are the inheritors of practices fine-tuned prior to the Dark Age of Technology.

Hence the limited production run of ships like the Blade Of Luna, testbeds for the latest electronic warfare systems to serve as sword and shield against the Imperium's enemies. Her higher decks are packed with banks of compartmentalized, EMP-shielded cogitators and consoles, each linked to a backup battery in the event the redundant power couplings to the Generatorium fail in battle. Augur arrays normally found only on the Emperor-class battleship cover the Blade Of Luna in a thin forest of sensor spars and domes, and in concert with the cogitators enable the ship's Techpriests to tune out false positives and home in on elusive cloaked enemies. Gellar fields, hexagrammatic wards, and crude automations of machine exorcism are present to fend off the more daemonic varieties of scrap-code. There are other technologies that are not so enthusiastically discussed by the rather open-minded Mechanicus builders, but they have risen to meet the monumental challenges of those who would challenge the Omnissiah's vessels of war.

>>59428929
>>Don't think there's been a full write-up for the Silver Skulls yet. There's a few sentences on the Notes page, but it's basically what you said. Presumably they get along pretty well with the Harlequins if they're entrusted with the duty of securing the Webway gates on Imperial territory, and I would expect the S. Skulls to have some relatively close relations with the Sons of Antaeus, and perhaps the Daemon Breakers (maybe not so much Ahriman's guys), considering how both Chapters spend their time roaming the galaxy.

Interesting ideas. I'm kinda curious about how they'd get along with Eldar who aren't really interested in colonizing the webway, and how human forces view them in general

>>Unrelated, I did a random drawing for an Imperial battlecruiser in an attempt to apply some of the Art Deco aesthetics of this AU. No big write-up like with the Mk. 24 Leman Russ MBT, just a small blurb below.
Nice work, you wouldn't happen to have a picture of the MK.24 Leman Russ would you?

>>The Blade Of Luna (other name suggestions would be great) is one of the first in a series of modified Mars-class battlecruisers equipped with oversized engines, the sensor networks of an Emperor-class battleship, and cutting edge vox warfare systems. Recently built by the shipyards based around Luna, not the orthodox masters of Mars, it is designed to serve as a support ship maintaining inter-fleet communications and tracking enemies for improved battlefield awareness.

>>This description vastly oversimplifies their role. While rebels and pirates who barely know how to keep a stolen ship's anti-gravity working are little threat to the pirate-extermination forces that a ship of this type would lead, the Cron Eldar, Necrons, Olamic Quietude, and Dark Mechanicus, to name the most infamous, all have their own foul brand of technosorcery.

Interesting ideas, again. It seems like Shield of Luna would be a better name then Sword of Luna. The ship does have a defensive role, right?

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>>59428929
Solid drawing. A few suggestions:

The silhouette of the prow is essentially the same as in canon, and it's angularity doesn't quite work with the aesthetic. Similarly, I think a lot of the vertical lines that make up the detailing in the middle and right side break the forward visual momentum of the long horizontal lines. Take a look at some Art Deco/Streamline Moderne trains, they look amazing and I think are spot on for what we're trying to portray with the Imperium: the rounded edges and unbroken horizontal lines evoke an certain elegance and aged, retro-futurism and the silhouettes would be awesome for spaceships.

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>>59429344 (cont.)
With its high-powered plasma drive tubes and reduced armor plating, the Blade(Shield) Of Luna and its sisters are not intended to take the brunt of an enemy fleet's big guns for long, instead outrunning and harassing the enemy with the venerable armaments of a Mars-class warship while it blunts the enemy's vox warfare attempts and simultaneously wages a crippling electronic assault on the level of a proper Mechanicus warship.

The idea is attractive to more than a few men and women in uniform, but mass deployment is still quite aways off. Test runs with captains who performed admirably in previous lightning bruiser-type warships have been promising, but the design faces opposition in bureaucratic inertia and orthodox Magos. It has never faced the full strength of the enemies it is meant to face, and the dangers that these warships present should one fall into the fell hands of Chaos means that they cannot be deployed lightly. The generatorium is meant to be contained by a battleship or a grand cruiser; the destruction of one of these vessels would be deadly to both enemies and allies. And considering the rushed approval of this ship (merely a century long) and construction of a batch smaller than Deep Field Recon had in its early years, there may very well be an Achilles' heel that has yet to reveal itself.

Considering the foreboding portents for the Imperium's future, even an astounding success story may be too little, too late.

Thoughts? Wrote all of this just now, so there's likely something I've overlooked.

>>59428396
The Ultramar Auxilia is probably the same as canon, considering that vanilla Ultramar isn't a crappy place to live in and already does the "better than normal Guardsmen" shtick. With all the funds that Titus is getting for his Primaris initiative, odds are they're getting expansions too.

>>59429374
Mk XXIV pic coming up. Shield of Luna makes more sense, now that you mention it, since it does indeed serve a defensive role.

>>59429903
Nice drawing friend. It's things like this that really help bring this setting to life, kinda.

>>59429892
Man, I've only ever seen trains like those in cartoons and the like; it's actually kind of freaky seeing one in real life.

That reminds me- are Imperial void tactics the same as they are in canon? Are ramming, broadsides, crossing the T etc. still a thing, or have they been replaced by less primitive (for lack of a better word) tactics? Maybe not broadsides, but I can see Nobledark Imperial warships using more small craft (not just fighters and bombers, but maybe even small boarding transports as well) and long-ranged gunnery than the canon Imperium's reliance on closer-ranged combat.

>>59429903
Looking at that pic and it might just be lack of sleep but all I can hear is Aspect Warrior Beavis and Private Butthead.

>>59430736
Well, I remember reading something about their ships having autoloaders for the guns on them so there are obviously certain differences. As for whether or not that means the Imperium is largely using space carrier fleets with space battleship support? I dunno.

>>59431065
And now that's all I can hear as well.

>>59430736
I'd imagine they are somewhat different. Better accuracy for weapon systems and the presence of things like autoloaders would mean more accurate broadsides and torpedo barrages which in turn means less ramming. I'm not as sure about smaller craft, it depends on entirely what kind of active-defense systems enemy voidships possess.

>>59432234
Small craft could be useful for the Deep Recon ships as a means of extending their sensor net.

>>59423145
This. He walks a thin line between wanting to makes sure that they remember who he is, respecting their autonomy and trying to be charitable but not insulting their pride

>>59421124
Nemensor Zahndrekh does not know who built the cities. They are either things built after he "went into stasis" or they are things older that have been uncovered by glacial action and other forms of erosion. Closer examination of the sites reveal that the surrounding strata built up around the structures but dating in such a manner only indicates in a vague sense the age of a thing. All that can be said for sure is that it's either from the days of the original Necrontyr occupation of that world, presumably the base of a political rival covertly observing him and his court, or it's from just before he took over and was abandoned before he set up shop.

The buildings don't look like the styles used in the latter days of The True Empire, somewhat more blocky and stubby looking with swirly spirals carved over many surfaces that look odd no matter how you look at them.

The Yokel-Tau once went on an expedition to the nearest of them but lost people. Not evidently killed just "lost". Since then the resource scarce colony never sent another expedition and declared them out of bounds, as if anyone could personally afford the expense of a several weeks expedition without Triumvirate backing. Nemensor Zahndrekh has also issued similar decrees of prohibition to his court. The Inquisition learned of them through the Ambassadorial team but can't make an expedition there without violating Imperial treaty, no matter how tantalizing the implications are.

>>59433039
I would imagine that would depend on how small you're talking about, all that stealth stuff takes up space after all. I was talking about fighters and bombers when I mentioned smaller craft.

>>59435783
I wouldn't have the Imperial presence know about it. Treaty or not the possibility of Old One relics would have the world descended upon in droves.

So I used to contribute... A long time ago. Can you catch me up on what's changed since last year?

>>59426675
>>59428929
Wouldn’t a single chapter be wayyy too small to reliably guard/patrol the webway given that it has gates all over the galaxy?

>>59434455
I doubt he’s quite THAT benevolent. He’s a nice old dude for a Necron noble of the Star Empire, but that still probably means he views himself as superior and tries to be just to his subjects out of noblesse oblige.

>>59438174
Depends, what thread did you drop out at? We don’t really mess with established fluff so what you know is probably still valid, but a LOT has been developed and fleshed out.

<spoiler>Also what did you write friend?</spoiler>

>>59438769
Last thing I remember writing was... Sreta or the krieg bit, I can't remember which was more recent.

And the last subject I remember the thread focusing on was the tarellian confederacy and 'rocks, screaming.' I was pretty deep in school by then though so I remember missing whole threads around that time. It's been a long while.

>>59438997
I'd just go look over the 1d4chan page, specifically drafts and notes, both are full of great stuff. The notes page is a bit unwieldy, but its been that way for a while now.

>>59429903
I'd love to see someone model a Mk 24 with guardsman vehicle parts and greenstuff

>>59439206
One of the things we have been trying to do is get stuff off the Notes page and onto the main page. We managed to clean up the Hrud and Qah entries, at the very least, and find homes for some of the other snippets.

We've discussed the main three C'tan and fleshed out their niches in the setting and history pretty well, and we've mentioned Llandu'gor The Flayer being killed like in canon for being the biggest asshole of all the asshole star gods.

Have whe said anything about Lash'uddra The Endless Swarm, Nyadra'zatha The Burning One, or Yggra’nya The Moulder of Worlds. The Burning one is mentioned in passing in the notes a couple times, but the other two, who seem directly affiliated with Necron nanotech and megastructures respectively, have yet to come up.
These three were not wholly consumed by the Outsider because their shards definitely appear in canon stories, and excluding the Burning one, they seem more in line with the Void Dragon than the Nightbringer or Deceiver.
The Endless Swarm and

>>59441001
I think that it was suggested that Yggra’nya The Moulder of Worlds was a terraforming specialist that gradually lost it's sanity and started making more and more horrific things as the War in Heaven progressed.

>>59441396
Its already noted to be the thing that made the world engines, and presumably even greater horrors

>>59423786
Tempted to throw something together this weekend. StormtrooperXIybraesilSwoopingHawk?

>>59439368
Hmm, you'd need a chimera for the chassis, maybe the main gun from a predator destructor for the cannon, the heavy bolters as well and you are correct that you would probably need lots of greenstuff as well.

>>59441655
Could work, but you'd have to be careful not to make her an obnoxious feminist character. It would be interesting to see how their relationship develops and how the Eldar in question deals with working in the greater imperium outside of the confines of her matriarchal craftworld.

>>59441001
The Flayer in canon has been implied to have been one of the nicer C'tan, of all things. The one quote attributed to him mentions "love" for the Necrons, which isn't mentioned by any other C'tan in canon. Though given that his epithet was "the Flayer", it's debatable how nice he was.

Specifically, the Flayer curse goes
"To those who have turned their faces away. To those who are faithless and wretched in their jealousies.
To those who have denied us. To those who have denied me.
I will wreak vengeance. I will wrench your souls and break your bones.
I will cast hunger through your accursed existence. Down the eons, you will not forget.
I will grant you this gift from love turned aside and make you like me, break you in my image as you have broken me.
I shall cast the fear of myself into you and all of your kind.
I am Llandu’gor. I am the hunger.
I am the flayer, and from this moment, you shall be too."

Nyadra'zatha was mentioned to be a pyromaniac.

Lash'uddra hasn't been mentioned at all. Yggra'nya was decided to not be the power source of the World Engine because it greatly limits them and decreases their threat level if their solution to every technological problem is "shove a C'tan in it". Though C'tan likely do make good power sources, and how the World Engine was made was never mentioned I think.

>>59441907
>how the World Engine was made was never mentioned I think.

It was literally just a Tombworld that is 100% operational, mull that over for a bit.

>>59442114
I think we said that the World Engine is a megascale engineering feat even for Necrons, but in this timeline they have multiples of them instead of just the one. That way it ups the "oh shit" factor of having duplicates of a post-scarcity WMD that took a huge amount of resources including an entire Space Marine chapter and group of Aspect Warriors to take down, but the fact they only have a handful means it's not going to be a complete ROFLstomp for the Necrons like it would be if every single Tomb World turned into the Death Star at once.

>>59438769
>but that still probably means he views himself as superior and tries to be just to his subjects out of noblesse oblige.

Well of course. His superiority is blatantly obvious. But, as is his main problem with The Silent King, a Lord should be judged by how they treat those they don't fear.

If you are of the Nobility then you must act noble or you are just another savage with a slightly bigger club.

>>59441907
>>stuff about the flayer
Okay, so, given his relative niceness what is it then that caused the Necrons in this setting to turn on him exactly?

So, what happened to the sisters of battle?

>>59445342
Given that his nickname was "the Flayer", it seems that his kindness may have been a relative thing (or he was just insane, like the Ghoul Kings in Age of Sigmar). Szarekh also used him as his test study for completely killing a C'tan. Many things were learned from this test. Permakilling a C'tan almost breaks reality, even with the Flayer mostly gone there are still consequences, and Szarekh finds he has lines even he won't cross. So imprisonment for all eternity it is.

>>59447489
It's still the sword in the stone for the setting. We've had a bunch of people try to work on it but no one seems to stick around. We have the broad outlines of what they do and what they are fleshed out (trace their origins to an all-female warrior organization from the nowhere world of San Leor, Vandire brought them on as a goon squad led by Alicia Dominica when he started to seize power, sent them to kill Inquisitor Thor, Thor played on their desires to do the right thing and had the cajones to convince them to be HIS bodyguards instead. After Vandire gets killed and Oscar is [unwillingly] crowned Emperor he is lamenting over the state of the Imperium, saying one would almost have to double the number of Space Marine chapters just to have a hope of retaining order. Thor and Alicia propose their idea to make low-grade super soldiers because you have a really high number of would-be Space Marines that are disqualified on the basis of chromosomes. Enough time has passed that Oscar's position has softened and he is willing to consider the idea. Manages to get it to work with help from Isha.)

The biggest problem has been figuring out if and how the non-militant orders exist, since they only exist in canon due to the overwhelming power of the Ecclesiarchy and the Imperial Cult and there are other groups (Order of the Old Tree, Iterators) that perform similar jobs. We did figure out a way for the Hospitaliers to exist though (and by proxy fixed the fluff with the Valkyries).

>>59447838
So the Flayer is imprisoned somewhere, probably under guard by some of Szarekh's best soldiers then?

Have any of the older threads gone into detail about the ground and space forces of the hubworld league?

>>59448437
The Flayer is dead. D-E-D dead. It's the only C'tan in either timeline to be totally, explicitly killed, rather than sharded. The side effects of it were so bad Szarekh not only decided to not go about doing it but wiped the knowledge of how to do so from all of the other Necrons. The Drazakh dynasty were the ones to do it and they got hit worst with the Flayer curse.

I don't know if this was ever explicitly brought up, but my suspicion is that Szarekh killed the Flayer by tweaking the universal constants in a localized area. The C'tan all seem to be tied the the fundamental laws of nature in the Materium in this timeline. Tweak the universal constants (such that, say, gravity or the electromagnetic force doesn't exist) and the C'tan ceases to exist (how can an energy being exist in a localized pocket where the laws of physics say energy cannot exist?) The problem is doing so requires a lot of energy to contain and if you're not careful is self-perpetuating. The backlash could impose the altered constants on the entire Materium, and all of a sudden you get something like atoms no longer stick together and all you're left with is proton dust. Szarekh doesn't want to rule over (or be) a bunch of subatomic dust.

Hence deleting it from everyone's memories, so no one can do something this stupid again or potentially use it against the Necrons. The only one who suspects what happened is Trazyn, and that's more because he notices the parts of his memory that have been tampered with than what really happened.

>>59449169
Heavy infantry use masterwork crafted armors that are passed down through family lines and share a common technological ancestry with Terminator armor (though not as powerful). Hubworlder ships tend to be much grungier looking than the Art Deco of the Imperium, more like dieselpunk "hard and uncompromising" as one anon put it. Land trains make surprisingly good personnel carriers. That's about it.

So how did Emperor capture Void Dragon?

>>59429374
>Interesting ideas. I'm kinda curious about how they'd get along with Eldar who aren't really interested in colonizing the webway, and how human forces view them in general.

On the one hand humans might see them as weird because they're closer to the eldar than any group of humans. On the other hand they're the ones maintaining the big guns pointing directly at any Webway gate a particular human world has (and I'd assume the majority have one). Crone Eldar, Dark Eldar, even Necrons use the Webway too. The wrong person comes through the gate or tries to force their way through the ones that are password protected and they get turned to ash.

The Craftworlders and Exodites likely have things covered on the exits leading to their ends.

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>>59429892
Previous threads mentioned that a Navy warship's aesthetics could vary based on where they were built, with those from the old Ring of Iron looking like the classic Gothic cathedral-in-space, while the Interex are literally Star Trek expies and the Hubworlders build in a modern(?) style. A prow redesign based off the Mercury streamliner picture is currently in-progress.

>>59430736
>>59432234
The weapons of the Shield of Luna are similar to stock Mars-classes, and IMO Navy doctrine isn't radically different save for Art Deco elegance, better internals (like the autoloaders), and more light guns for additional defense within a small 10-km radius. 40K's void warfare tactics, like the ground battles, are anachronistic melting pots of strategy that appear laughably primitive at first glance, but are usually somewhat justified by the context.

Personally, I've envisioned void warfare like it's shown in The Expanse, where the 2-D display of a battle is merely a simplification of the actual maneuvers and vectors for ease of viewing. The Navy's broadsides, flanking, (uncommon, but useful) ramming, and T-crossing are very much 3-D, like the rest of the tactics they use. Those city-sized hunks of adamantium dance around at a good fraction of light-speed, without concern for fuel or the crew getting splattered against the walls thanks to powerful reactors and artificial gravity. I'm working on some writing where an Imperial fleet fights a Tyranid Splinter Fleet, although it has more focus on ground/siege tactics than. "Broadside" covers some Nobledark void combat, but it seems to be dead.

Also, crossing the T against an Eldar ship has got to be suicide, considering where their guns point and the smaller frontal cross-section. Literally any other direction would be better, especially a parallel vector (though no self-respecting Eldar captain, whether from Chaos, Commoragh, or a Craftworld, would get caught with their pants down like that).

>>59449823
Don't think Oscar was around at the time, I think previous discussion suggested the Void Dragon shut himself down and decided to take a nap on Mars, and woke up to a bunch of spindly chains that he accepts because he's busy enjoying the sights and sounds of the new era.

>>59438997
Using Ctrl + F "tarellian" on the suptg archive gave me thread 38, and the "rocks" confirmed that. Tried to summarize the important stuff since then, and realized there's far too much for me to properly do justice to. Thread descriptions on suptg, the find tool, and what >>59439206 mentioned will be your best friends for catching up on the bigger developments. I liked the Krieg stuff, and also struggled to follow these threads with schoolwork to do.

>>59445342
Can't find anything on Lash'uddra the friendly C'tan, but I think we kinda did characterize the Necrontyr as very, very fanatical to its goals, whether it be killing the Old Ones out of spite or knocking down physical gods from their pedestals. We could leave the reasoning and specifics vague, and chalk up this: >>59441907, as the result of Necrontyr who refused to risk any of the C'tan being coherent enough to endanger the Necrons.

>>59449823
He didn't. Void Dragon came up with the idea of the biotransference because he was tired of seeing his worshippers getting sick and dying. Told other C'tan, they liked the idea because it meant they got to gorge themselves on the Necrontyr's souls. Dragon didn't care about the soul aspect, to him souls were like an appendix, who even needs them anyway?

Then the Necrons' tampered free will and lack of individuality start becoming apparent. Cecorach discreetly points this out to VD, who actually gave a shit about the Necrontyr (like the Quetzalcoatl to the C'tan's Aztec Pantheon), and realizes that he fucked up and his siblings knew the whole time. Void Dragon gets pissed, and goes to confront his siblings while they're having fun wrecking some nowhere system the Old Ones used as a source of fauna and flora for their experiments it's Sol. Things escalate to violence and someone gets suplexed into the Yucatan peninsula. Dragon was stupid and angry enough to take on many of his siblings at once, so they beat the crap out of him and dumped his half-dead body on Mars, sealing within a stolen Old One device so he never broke free.

Meanwhile Cegorach's laughing his ass off that he can't believe that worked

>>59449799
>>flayer is teh deded
Thanks for the clarification.

>>I don't know if this was ever explicitly brought up, but my suspicion is that Szarekh killed the Flayer by tweaking the universal constants in a localized area. The C'tan all seem to be tied the the fundamental laws of nature in the Materium in this timeline. Tweak the universal constants (such that, say, gravity or the electromagnetic force doesn't exist) and the C'tan ceases to exist (how can an energy being exist in a localized pocket where the laws of physics say energy cannot exist?) The problem is doing so requires a lot of energy to contain and if you're not careful is self-perpetuating. The backlash could impose the altered constants on the entire Materium, and all of a sudden you get something like atoms no longer stick together and all you're left with is proton dust. Szarekh doesn't want to rule over (or be) a bunch of subatomic dust.

>>Hence deleting it from everyone's memories, so no one can do something this stupid again or potentially use it against the Necrons. The only one who suspects what happened is Trazyn, and that's more because he notices the parts of his memory that have been tampered with than what really happened.

Interesting theory, what do you think it would take for Szarekh to share this knowledge with this scientists and thus begin the process of bringing this sort of weaponry to the field again? I would assume things would have to be incredibly desperate for Szarekh and the Necrons under his control.

>>59449960
Your assuming he didn't wipe it from his own mind once he saw what it could do.

>>59450422
Would he do that though? Honest question.

>>59450712
Possibly. If he thought that using it once was enough to show the extent of his power, if the effects were so horrific and the possible scope of catastrophe beyond comprehensibly bad and if he was sure enough of being able to win more conventionally. Continuation of that knowledge would be less advantageous and it's continued existence would only be a vulnerability.

To his cold in proud mind erasing it even from himself would be a declaration of his surety of his superiority over all things.

>>59449799
>>59449169
And the robots. Most of their front line infantry are robots due to their low birth rate and attrition.

Were there any C'tan shards active in the time of the GaBHD?

>>59447838
The orders that act as translators would still be a thing more or less unchanged, if anything they would be more common due to needing to know even more languages. The ones that run the poor hospitals would also still be a thing though with great partnership with the AdBio.

There was something about the augmentations being derived from old and super refined Thunder Warrior treatments. But keyed for women. Male version couldn't be refined further at reasonable cost so was scrapped. Any man that could be compatible typically goes for Astartes training.

>>59438769
They are spread thinly and it shows in their lack of supplies and general shabbiness. Also Lugganath is the only craftworld with the end goal of migrating into the webway permanently so their elder counterpart and greatest allies are also underfunded in much the same way.

Oscar and the craftworlder's end goal for the webway is to claim it after the material galaxy is made safe and secure. Eldar because they see it as their realm and Oscar because once he turns the Cthonian ring into a super-agri-world he's going to build a high speed rail network and use it to end hunger across the entire galaxy.

>>59454737
>>They are spread thinly and it shows in their lack of supplies and general shabbiness.
Given the obvious importance of the webway for one of the major races of the imperium, you'd think the skulls would be allowed to have more recruits and be given higher(not maximum mind you)priority for weapons, supplies and such.

>>59455326
Keep in mind that they can't navigate it and only an extreme minority of eldar can.

>>59452676
Possibly some of the Deceiver shards were but they were just keeping a low profile and keeping the trolling small. They were very small fish.

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Do the Tau still have the Kroot and Vespid in this AU, or no? I swear I missed the answer on their note page.

>>59435783
They could be Old One but that doesn't mean that they are relics of the Old Ones at their height. They could be toys from their infancy discarded. Just like Be'Lakor.

>>59459451
Yes. They encountered them and the Proctoon early on in space faring history and so managed to adopt them before the Imperium could. Imperium got the rest of them

>>59449960
I had a similar idea, but beyond that, C'tan seem tied so specific universal principles. More than just subjecting the Flayer to exotic and lethal physics, the NSE might have had to adjust local physics writ large to exclude the Flayer's base principle, either in local space or across the universe. They already showed the propensity to alter the laws of physics to suit themselves in the War in Heaven when they were using early pylons to divide the properties of Materium and Immaterium and end the age of sorcery presided over by the Old Ones by enforcing a partition of warp and real. Tweaking physics to exclude specific C'tan seems entirely in their wheelhouse, though certainly drastic, since instead of separating warp and real they're excising a natural part of the Materium.

>>59460430
We have some stuff on the Kroot that is on my "to do" list. But >>59460430 has the gist of it. The Tau also absorbed a few more minor races but much fewer than canon because the Imperium had a head start and part of the reason so many species flock to the Tau's banner in canon is because the Imperium genocides anyone who isn't them.

Among the races the Tau are normally associated with in canon that the Tau notably didn’t absorb here are the Demiurg, the Nicassar, the Tarellians (because the Imperium didn't turn them into refugees), and the Nagi the latter because they turned out to be the Slaugth.

One issue we never figured out is if the Tau allow Kroot to eat Tau flesh. In canon it's strongly implied that the Tau forbid this on purpose to weaken the Kroot (you'd think they'd let them do this to make them susceptible to Ethereal pheromone influence). On the other hand, the Tau don't seem to have the religious taboos we would. Unsurprisingly Tau funerary customs do not seem to have ever been described (I think Fire Warrior says the Shas cremate their dead, but it is not clear if this is just them or all Tau), but it seems likely they would just consider a body a body.

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>>59460971
From what I can remember;

Aun'Da was a vegetarian but never actually wrote anything about it being good or bad and never insisted his followers give up meat. This was either because meat just didn't agree with him or it was too expensive. To this end almost-vegetarianism is pretty normal among the Tau and not just because the climate is too dry for wide scale animal farming. The Tau don't let the Kroot eat Tau and have even made a law against it because they find it pretty fucking sickening. Kroot can eat whoever else the fuck they want so long as they don't have laws against it. Most Kroot just hunt ork. There's lots of ork, people are happy when you kill ork and eating ork made them sapient in the first place.

There was also talk of division among the Kroot. The traditionalists insist that animals have to be wild and have to be hunted and preferably using only Kroot methods of hunting. This usually just means a big knife and a black powder rifle.

Reformists are perfectly happy to eat farmed animals and maintain their sapience using cloned sheet meat derived from something sapient. They are also happy to use whatever fancy new toys they can get from either the Tau Empire or the Imperium proper in exchange for military service.

Traditionalists accuse the Reformists of abandoning what it means to be Kroot. Reformists insist that adaptation is what they are doing and being Kroot is all about adaptation. They have brutally warred over this matter with the winners invariably eating the casualties.

And then Shas'O "DoomTau" Kais writes it in his will that his body shall be sent to the Kroot homeworld for a funeral feast as a repayment for some sort of debt he owed the Kroot. Nobody but Kais is happy about this but they aren't going to contest either his will or the repaying of a debt.

>>59441655
I'd read it.

>>59461535
It's also been mentioned both here and in canon the Tau are kind of grossed out by the Kroot's habits. The Tau diet is very heavily plant-biased given their ancestry. They eat some animal protein (they would likely have to in order to maintain a large brain), but mostly seafood, eggs, and the like (as well as potentially high-protein grains and legumes). Only the Fire Cast regularly eat red meat in canon, and that's more of a cultural thing (having originally been nomadic pastoralists) and it's nowhere near the Kroot being obligate carnivores who have to ingest sapient DNA regularly to maintain their own sapience.

Aside from the named civilizations,(Interex, Hubworlders, Ultramar, etc) how many survivor civilizations are there in this setting?

>>59464700
between maybe a few hundred and a thousand in the whole galaxy

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Bump.

Did we ever decide if Savlar actually possessed a working starship at the time it was declared a survivor civilization? I remember someone saying they had a single barely functional warp drive even they weren't reckless enough to test, and which was noted in the official documentation as the justification for their status as a Survivor Civilization, certainly not Old Earth stepping in to keep Holy Mars from cutting the imperium's proverbial dick off.

Also did anyone save the discussion of Farrus's personal thoughts on the Savlar crisis?

>>59465550
As in civilizations or planets aligned with those civilizations?

>>59467549
This picture reminds me of an important question: Namely, how do the various factions in this setting "do" artillery exactly? For example, even in canon the Imperium has SP Artillery like the basilisk as one of it's standard artillery pieces. I would assume that this is the same here, but given the comparative lack of retardation in the nobledark, I would have to assume that artillery is more effectively used.

More precise bombardments, counter-battery fire, and just more artillery being used in general to soften up enemy strongpoints/defensive lines for all factions in the game.

>>59468550
I think it was that they didn't have any ships at all which was what made giving them the title so insulting.

>>59465550
Probably less. To qualify they would have to have a multi-system empire of their own or be capable of making one. 20th century Earth for example would not qualify. Age of Strife did not encourage such development.

Has any thought been given to how the Adeptus Arbites function in the nobledark?

Alright, I'm going to post the first completed draft of Logann's background now. Some of you have already seen most of this, the newer stuff will be posted as well, obviously.

Born into a long line of proud Elysian soldiers, Logann's early life was filled with indoctrination, and schooling, various subtle and not so subtle propaganda films about the brave and heroic actions of the famed drop regiments of his home planet filled his young mind with thoughts of glorious adventure. His Psyker powers manifested around shortly after his eighth birthday and his family bid him a tearful farewell at a local spaceport when he was taken by the blackships to Terra for training. He returned to Elysia shortly after his seventeenth birthday to a tearful, but happy reunion with his family. Logann developed a set of mostly average psyker powers with the exception of highly potent precognitive abilities, and he fully intended on realizing his childhood dreams of glory in the drop regiments, he promptly enlisted, excelled in basic training, and thanks to his skills as a soldier, precognitive powers and a bit of nudging from some influential members of his family/extended family he was signed onto the freshly raised 434th Drop Regiment where his skill with various arms, armor, psyker powers(mainly precog here, as his other abilities are thoroughly average) quickly led to him being one of the more effective soldiers in his regiment. A few years after his recruitment into the regiment Logann and his fellow Drop Troopers had experience dealing with mostly trivial threats in between RnR planetside that mostly involved elysian booze and joygirls.

Part 2.


Then, Logann, along with the rest of the 434th were inducted into the Ordo Xenos branch of the Inquisition to deal with a mostly standard Ork Freebooter threat in the Elysia system that was only really exceptional for it's size, but was still the first major threat this regiment would face so far, and it was during this time that the Inquisitor in charge of the operation became aware of his capabilities. After that threat had been dealt with, Logann(along with a few dozen other veterans of his regiment who had also impressed the inquisitor) was offered a position as an acolyte at the relatively young age of 20, he accepted, and began a 26 year long employment in the Ordo Xenos, hunting various Xenos Horrificus level threats for the most part, and occasionally dealing with a few of the more hostile Xenos Independens, he distinguished himself in these tasks and was promoted to Inquisitor when he was still rather young for the job, receiving rejuvenant treatments at this time.

Part 3
BTW, any comments, ideas and constructive criticism you have would be appreciated.


It was during his time in the inquisition that he met the eldar corsair Elrana Gilsamia, the pair hit it off fairly quickly while they were working together dealing with various threats and ultimately became an item. Not all of his life has been rosy however, upon his return to Elysia with Elrana in tow to celebrate their marriage/couple status(or whatever the eldar use in this setting) and also Logann being promoted to a proper Inquisitor, Ork pirates from Blacklaw's Freebooter gang began a series of raids for loot and slaves killing a large number of people, including some of Logann's old friends from his time in the 434th Drop Regiment in the process. Recognizing an obvious threat to the Elysia system's security and incensed at this slaughter of his old warbuddies, plus the killing/enslavement of other people, Logann and Elrana both volunteered to help hunt down and eliminate Blacklaw and his gang. Although, to be fair, Elrana was also interested in the challenge of capturing such a hard target.

>>59473212
Part 4

Thus began a 100 year long hunt for Blacklaw and his band. During this hunt Logann requisitioned some forces from the Elysian guard regiments(his old regiment were enthusiastic volunteers), some naval ships, a Deathwatch killteam,(This team was commanded by Ducetius Valis, who would become a good friend of Logann and Elrana over the course of the pursuit of Blacklaw's freebooters) and hired some "private contractors" as well to beef up the rather modest force he inherited from his mentor, plus the more substantial force that Elrana brought to the table. For the first few decades of this hunt, Logann and Elrana thought that Blacklaw was just an exceptionally elusive freebooter, however the long period of dealing with diversionary raids, ambushes, booby traps, Blacklaw's associations with various renegade imperial elements, and plain old false positives when other freebooter bands would get caught and killed only for Blacklaw and company to start shit elsewhere at the same time or shortly thereafter helped to drive home the true difficulty of the task before them.

Part 5

After 40 years of this,(and the destruction of a large number of renegades and ork freebooter bands that wound up not being Blacklaw's particular bunch of asteroid partisans) The couple submitted a request for and were granted further aid from the Deathwatch, who dispatched a few more of their Killteams to aid in the hunt for Blacklaw and his freebooters. After another 60 years of hunting, seeking and destroying that ultimately wound up drawing in some Adeptus Mechanicus forces as well due to constant raids on their Facilities by Blacklaw and his band, the infamous Freebooter and his group were finally cornered, and after a massive fleet and ground action were believed annihilated on an icy planetoid(think of a larger pluto, basically) in the Elysian system/sector. Logann was promptly promoted to the rank of Inquisitor Lord for this triumph, and he fully expected due to the massive amount of destruction caused to the various Non-Chaos threats in the sector that he would either be reinforcing Malleus/Hereticus/Securitas groups in the area or he and his wife could go and find some other group of Xenos Horrificus to hunt.

Part 6

First and foremost though, it was time for Logann and Elrana to take a vacation for a couple of years, and for the soldiers and naval personnel under their collective command to get some RnR as well. It was during this period of down time that Logann and Elrana first wrote of their experiences hunting Blacklaw and crew, and the elysian propaganda films made based off this account have been making the pair a substantial sum of money from royalties ever since. Once this period of rest was concluded, the pair went back to work, hunting various Xenos threats in and around the Elysia system/sector and also being called upon by the Ordo Malleus, Hereticus and also the Ordo Securitas to provide support when needed to deal with threats caused by the Elysian Warp Hole(Logann had long since stopped viewing said warp anomaly as being all that impressive of a threat compared to other warp anomalies since his recruitment by the Inquisition, Elrana had always scoffed at the idea that it was a "Great Rift" based on both first and secondhand knowledge taught to her by her peers and gained during her career.).

Part 7

At first, all was well for Logann, Elrana and their assorted subordinates. That is, until an Ordo Sicarius Inquisitor Lord(Lady? Do they use gendered titles?)by the name of Vanessia Arlens and her own impressively large "entourage" showed up. Vanessia explained diplomatically that she was there to "assist" Logann and company in their various endeavors, but Logann was familiar enough with the political situation at the local Inquisition Conclave to know that his rapid rise through the ranks, reliance upon mercenaries(Technically including Elrana and her Corsair fleet) and swift increase in influence in the Elysian System/Sector had caused eyebrows to rise and enemies to be made. Still, the pair tried to make the best of the situation, enlisting Vanessia's forces in their work against various Xenos Horrificus and the more hostile Xenos Indepens threats that Logann and Elrana encountered in their own work.

Eventually, Vanessia's suspicions of Logann and his group subsided somewhat and what followed for the next eight years was fairly routine work of chasing orks and other assorted troublemakers through the Elysian system/sector mixed with providing support to other Inquisition efforts in said area, Logann, Elrana and pretty much all of Elysia largely viewed Blacklaw and his band as being a particularly bad memory by this point. Which is just about the time when he made his dramatic reappearance. A series of raids seemingly indistinguishable from standard ork and renegade pirate activity were used to disguise multiple well-planned surprise attacks on several important civilian and military facilities in the Elysia system/sector practically shattered the relative peace and quiet that had preceded said attacks and put the entire system/sector on military alert once again. Blacklaw and his band of pirates had made their return with a bang. This new series of raids also involved direct attacks on Inquisitorial Facilities in the area, which really helped to drive home the point of precisely how dangerous this particular band of freebooters and their Kaptin were to Imperial authorities outside of the local sector.

>>59473295
That was part 8, obviously. Sorry about that, I'm a bit tired.
Part 9

Logann and company, now well and truly aware of just how difficult it would be to permanently deal with their opposition, have been recruiting additional help from outside of the Elysia system/sector. The force that they have raised includes a varied assortment of soldiers, specialists, psykers, space marines, and anyone with some military experience fighting orks. Included in this assortment are their old friend Ducretius Valis and several Deathwatch kill-teams, as well as the Tau Shas'O Dal'yth Har'rus, a skilled(albeit rather naive regarding Blacklaw's unique capabilities) commander of the Fire Caste who brought a substantial combined arms force to aid in the hunt for the notorious Freebooter Kaptin and his band. Their search is hampered by both the obvious issues faced in the prior hunt(the various asteroid fields, planetoids, and assorted other space rocks in and around the Elysia system/sector are infested with Orks, Human renegades, and assorted other miscreants)but also problems caused by a recent flare up of the Elysian Warp Hole which has led more then once to Logann and company having to divert their forces/attention to aiding the other inquisitorial ordos in their own efforts.

Fin

>>59473306
So again, if any of you have any thoughts, comments, constructive criticism, ideas, etc. Please feel free to comment. Oh and if the guy running the wiki would like to put this up now, he can. I will eventually get around to properly spell and grammar checking this stuff.

>>59469403
I guess the Imperium of course has their iconic Basilisk guns but space marines use MLRS platforms like whirlwinds as always.
i imagine that Eldar use direct fire artillery like fire prisms on highly mobile platforms and the Tau uses upscaled Seeker missiles, cruse missiles similar to Tomahawk missiles, incorporating their markerlights and drone technology.

>>59474542
Would you say it's a reasonable assumption that the Imperium makes better use of it's various artillery units in this setting?

>>59473285
They do get gendered titles. At least in this AU. There is a High Lady Admiral of the Imperial Navy for example.

>>59473306
Lookd good. Please add it to the wiki under the people of interest section.

>>59476036
>>They do get gendered titles
Thanks for the info.

>>Looks good. Please add it to the wiki under the people of interest section.

I'd love to, the only problem is I've never edited a wiki before. I understand that I need an account if I don't want everyone seeing my IP address based on the 1d4 chan blurb, other then that though I'm kinda lost. I'll give it a try later though, assuming someone else doesn't add it before then.

>>59475772
They make better use of what they have in general. An infusion of common sense is one of the foundations of the setting.

>>59455326
Their efforts to reclaim and tame the webway are not in keeping with greater Imperial policy at this time. Their attempts to kill Dark Eldar are but they are going about it as a side effect of taming the webway rather than the other way around. Hideous as they are the dark eldar are always a problem for later on the national level as they have no intention of ruling the galaxy as that would be too much like real work.

Silver Skull and Lugganath efforts are their own obsession.

>>59471951
They deal with the big shit that effects the Imperium and Imperial Law, regular shit is the job of regular police.

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this is first time on tg, so i dont really know which thread to post this, so forgive me if i trigger some autism.

i simply wanted some thoughts about an story/idea i had. that if its possible or not (by the laws of 40k)

ill make it short though, as i understand it, the orks may have been genetically engineered for some unknown reason. maybe to fight the necrons or something. If that is true then the orks could be considered an weapon.

so my thought was, if an imperial inquisitor psyker tries to "hack" the orky waaargh psyker network or whatever it is. so that orks would consider the inquisitor more orky, even though hes a human. so that the inquisitor could build an ork waaargh as a human, used as a weapon to defend the imperium.

heresy i know, but if purging whole planets is ok, then i supposed experimenting with orks could be acceptable

>>59476387
I'll try to add it when I get the chance.

>>59468550
I don't think anyone added it to the wiki. I don't remember what there was beyond "Ferrus wasn't going to do it. He realized it was a bluff by the Fabricator-General and that the Savlar factory was important enough that either the Steward would step in and tell Kelbor-Hal to simmer down or the Fabricator-General would cave. All he had to do is look big and scary and everything would resolve itself."

>>59469791
This. The Warp drive ship, if they had it, was a convenient political fiction used to justify their decision. Neutronium is too important to let the last factory be destroyed.

>>59480762
Obviously, but I would have to assume that they are at least somewhat less cruel then in canon, yeah?

>>59482646
>>I'll try to add it when I get the chance.
Thank you, I'm afraid I might break something if I make a major edit to the wiki. I might edit the Blacklaw entry later, I just created an account on the wiki a little while ago.

>>59480969
Honestly, this is probably the variant setting where something like this would be attempted. It succeeding is another matter entirely, the Waagh isn't really corrupting to humans in the way Chaos is but that doesn't mean that messing around with Orks and trying to mold them into tools will work out all that well even in the Nobledark 41st millenium where competence is more common.

>>59486535
They did try. A bunch of human nobles with more money than sense and a bunch of too young to see sense Eldar seers who grew up on the stories of the War in Heaven have been triying panopticon-style attempts to "reform" (and I use that word very loosely) the Orks. Those involved have drunken a bit too much of the kool-aid about how the Imperium sees itself as the shining light of civilization, which combined with the stories of how the Orks used to be more reasonable and fought alongside the Eldar in the War in Heaven leads those involved to think the Orks will "obviously" throw off their chains and return to the way they were once someone shows them the light of civilization (*snicker* good luck with that). The idea of having an army of Boyz under their control is another, less noble factor in the decision.

It's going about as well as you would expect. The Ordo Xenos knows about it but hasn't stepped in to shut them down. The aristocrats and young seers are far from succeeding (and none of their attempts have been so stupidly dangerous as to need intervention) and the Inquisition is getting a lot of good data out of their efforts.

>>59484519
I would assume so. I remember there was a bit about the organization of the Arbites but it never got smoothed out. I would imagine the Arbites would have more faces to them than just brutality, if just for the sake of Machiavellian pragmatism. Having both a good side and a bad, brutal side encourages people to stay on your good side.

>>59449823
Dude, Emps doesn't even know that the Void Dragon exists, or that it's trapped on Mars. The Mechanicus are hellbent on making sure that he never finds out; technically they don't want anyone finding out period, but especially not the Steward.

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>>59476962
Apparently Imperial Guard/Army doctrine has a bigger focus on combined arms operations and ranged combat, although it's more reliant on numbers/having the bigger stick rather than technological superiority. Regiments are more flexible than they would be in canon, but they still have tactical specializations that require coordinating with Guardians/other regiments to cover their deficiencies.

>>59484519
There hasn't been a write-up for the Adeptus Arbites yet, I believe. Thread 35 discusses their hierarchy, and a divide in higher-rank careers between serving as an arm of the Law and as a street Judge, and many other threads have mentioned what Arbites are responsible for and what they aren't (FBI in space), and cultural impact (there's an entire buddy-Arbites holovid genre), but no full write-ups that I could find.

>>59431065
>>59431911
>Imperial investigation has found no evidence of Warp-taint within the investigated parties: this "Cornholio" entity is not a warp-entity, but likely a hallucination brought about by inhalation of burnt local flora.
>addentum: the guardsmen I can understand, but since when do we need to warn Aspect warriors against trying to smoke the local plantlife?

>>59487403
So in theory at least, an Imperial Army regiment could use artillery bombardment as a screen of sorts for advancing into hostile territory?

>>59487333
I don't think we were ever explicit in saying if the OMB has been successful in totally hiding the jailors of the Void Dragon from the inner Imperial Court/The Hydra, and vice versa, for the past ten thousand years. The OMB has members among the Illuminate Order that prod at the Imperial court's secrets, the Imperial Court has members in the Illuminate Order that prod the OMB's secrets, and its ambiguous as to how much either party knows of the other's secrets. Presumably there is more known about the OMB's because we've decided what they are, while the Hydra's secrets have been left unwritten.

>>59467549
First draft of a writeup for the Earthshaker. Let me know what you think.


The Earthshaker is one of the oldest weapons in the Imperium’s arsenal. Possibly the oldest. It was old already when the army of the Terrawatt Clan took them into Nord Afrik in the first campaign of Unification, having been used throughout the Age of Strife almost as long as reliable records reached. Their records did not record when the pattern was first adopted, or where the design came from; rumor has it that the Earthshaker descends directly from weapons first developed all the way back in M1, virtually unchanged even by that dizzying gulf of time. (Imperial historians usually assume that Year 0 in the standard calendar marks something the first manned spaceflight or something similar.)

Every power on Old Earth fielded something like the Earthshaker during the Unification, but when the time came to select a standard indirect- fire cannon for the nascent Imperial Army, the Warlord selected the Earthshaker out of all the potential designs; partially because it was already the most common type of artillery among the armies of unification, partially simply because he was already familiar with it.

>>59490023

Since then, trillions of Earthshakers have fought in every campaign the Imperium has ever waged. They have broken mobs of Orks and shattered their crude tanks. Lightly- armored Dark Eldar tend to just evaporate when caught by a bombardment. Rank upon rank of Necron soldiers have been dismembered beyond the ability of necrodermis to regenerate. The charging tides of Tyranids are smothered beneath rains of incendiaries. The Fallen are battered to death by concentrated bombardment, Croneworlders hemmed in, pinned down, bled to death by a thousand cuts without ever really getting to grips with their enemy. In every environment, from windswept glacier to baking desert, from crawling jungle to open plain, from the cratered mud produced by trench war to urban labyrinths, the Earthshaker has conquered them all. A well- placed Earthshaker shell has meant the difference between life and death for a billion Guardsmen, a well- timed barrage the difference between victory and defeat for a million generals.

For artillery is the King of Battles.

>>59489206
OMB and Order of the Dragon are not totally interchangeable. Overwhelming vast majority of OMB don't know shit about what's in the Labyrinth of Night. Hydra and the Royal Couple know that the ONB are keeping a big secret but they don't know what

>>59486759
>The idea of having an army of Boyz under their control is another, less noble factor in the decision

not trying to civilize em, consider this. someone who appear to be orky though not being an ork. murders your warboss in single combat, and promise the ork boyz that if they join him even tho he's human. he'd show them the biggest fight a ork could even dream of.

then have a planet where orks continue to war on one another, then you take out the nobs and put them in cryosleep or something. and once you need them you just release them at the enemy.
>be human inquisitor
>release the kracken
>Millions of ork nobs wake up
>point them at the enemy "they be stronk, and they got lots of shiny bits"
>"'ERE WE GO"

what ork would refuse such an offer?

>>59490546
One who wants to be the boss and all the ones that resent being commanded by a not ork

>>59490617
that was why i mentioned that a psyker "hacks" into ork psyker network. or whatever they call it so they can identify "WHOS DA BIGGEST"

so if the inquisitor appears to be "DA BIGGEST" maybe somebody would want to join him. and what if they put a chip on those boyz so it keeps em calm? so nobody gets an fancy idea of wanting to be the new boss. The cryosleep is also supposed to counter any attempt from the orks to take over.

big un bad nob heard he can report to da humies for biggest fight. gets put in cryosleep. time passes until awoken. big un bad umie sayz et iz time for stompin'

>>59490023
>>59490036
This is nice writing, but the earthshaker is a type of shell, the Basilisk is the name of the artillery piece, unless that is we want to change that around for this setting.

>>59490664
Except you're talking about "hacking" into the gestalt psychic field that is potentially fed by millions upon millions of orks on a single planet and that is at the low end for ork numbers. I have no doubt that someone would try something like this in the nobledark, the imperium would love it if they could make waaghs turn around and plant a return to sender notice into a cronedar's face with a choppa but it isn't really all that possible for a mortal psyker to do what you're thinking of them doing.

I mean, the fucking chaos gods have been putting a massive effort into corrupting orks to use them as catspaws against the imperium and to make the orks abandon the gorkamorka for the worship of the dark gods instead, and it hasn't worked out nearly as well as they would have hoped.

>>59491198
I dont mean that a psyker would outpower the orks. If i recall, genestealers cant do their thing around orks because orks would subconsciously see them as unorky. What i mean by hacking is going around that subconcious radar. Simply said, that an human become a huge warboss for the imperiums sake. Maybe act as some kind of buffer against a threat. I know the imperium would prefer orks dying than humans

>>59491559
>>What i mean by hacking is going around that subconcious radar.
This probably can't be done, not in canon or the nobledark. That said, it's probably also something people with more resources then sense would try and do.

>>59491713
>cant be done
Why?

>>59491817
Because Orks, both in canon and in the nobledark, have a sense for what or isn't "orky". A human psyker trying to fool them into thinking that he's an ork directing them towards a good fight is highly likely to simply not work. This is also the reason why Orks cannot be subtly manipulated into being Chaos Orks over time, they have to be convinced to join the service of the Dark Gods as a conscious decision.

>>59491942
It might be possible to do it in a very temporary way.

Get a bunch of orks spores, keep them saturated in your own psychic field, raise them to maturity knowing only this and with you as the boss imprinted on them from day one. If you have the muscle and the brains to pull it off it will work right up until they meet a WAAAAGH!!! field strong enough to counteract and overwrite it or one of them resets for some reason and the masquerade is broken.

So yes, you could get the obedience of """domesticated""" orks but it would be a very fragile obedience and no matter what you do wherever they fight they will be shedding spores. Spores that are out of your control.

And you have to ask yourself this; If they can be broken and tamed wouldn't the Necrontyr have done so in their war?

>>59492360
if the orks were created, then i supposed they were created originally to be controlled. if they broke free by themselves or because creator is gone i dunno. if they can be controlled, then i dont see why not by humans

>>59492415
Because humans aren't Old Ones and it's unknown how extensive the control the Old Ones had over them was. It could have been a very loose influence, a point and stand back approach. Eldar were Old One children and with their ability to navigate the webway possibly closer to them in terms of the way their minds work and in 65 million years haven't managed to control the orks in any meaningful way.

>>59487403
Are they allowed to issue on the spot executions? And how real does shit have to get before they take a direct interest?

>>59447838
Order of the Old Tree is an AdBio founded order but with considerable involvement by the Sisterhood and their ongoing efforts to steer Praetoria in constructive directions.

>>59493853
I imagine that Arbites would "technically" have the ability to issue on-the-spot executions, but it would be one of those things where "you're allowed to do this as long as you don't actually do it," and you can only pull your shit out of the fire if you can provide solid, undeniable proof that they were chaos-cultists or genestealers that were an immediate, about-to-go-nuclear threat.
Even above the Imperium's higher value of human life, a vital resource for law-enforcement is information: where is the rest of your cult, what exactly has the cult been up to, ect. The fact it wouldn't work on the more devoted cultists doesn't mean that the newly-initiated won't crack and spill the beans. And in order to interrogate them, they have to still be alive.

>>59491817
The Orks are Old One psychic/genetic engineering, and nobody in the galaxy except the Necrons have ever come close to their level, and the Necrons are specialized into physics, not psyonics.

The chaos gods, being the other major relic from the height of the Old Ones power, have trouble controlling the orks, so a single human or eldar psychic can’t do shit.

>>59491145
No, the Earthshaker is the cannon, and the Basilisk is the self- propelled variant.

>>59495871
Just checked the Lexicanum and it seems that you're right. Although I would expect that the self-propelled basilisk platform is the most common one available So I would argue that most people in the setting would just call it the Basilisk.

>>59496225
How heavy are they and can a team of Nova Ogryn carry one?

>>59473329
Looks pretty polished to me. The only real problem that comes to my mind is that the end is a bit abrupt. Cutting off on "these things are causing them problems" doesn't feel like a natural ending. Adding a single statement along the lines of "Despite these difficulties, they remain resolute" or "It seems Blacklaw's tale will not end anytime soon" or some similar "in conclusion" statement would help it 'feel' finished for the reader.

>>59412072
Has anyone run a nobledark Imperium game in RT or DH?

>>59496612
>Looks pretty polished to me. The only real problem that comes to my mind is that the end is a bit abrupt. Cutting off on "these things are causing them problems" doesn't feel like a natural ending. Adding a single statement along the lines of "Despite these difficulties, they remain resolute" or "It seems Blacklaw's tale will not end anytime soon" or some similar "in conclusion" statement would help it 'feel' finished for the reader.
Thank you, I'll probably edit in a better conclusion once that other guy puts it on the wiki.

>>59496943
Fuck it, I'll just post it now.

>It would seem, therefore, that the final conclusion of the hunt for Blacklaw and his Freebooter band, will take some time.

>>59490546
So Steward should jump in front of biggest warboss beat him into the pulp and promise biggest WAAAGH in existence, WAAAGH against gods, where infinite numbers of demons would fight infinite numbers of orks?

>>59463543
It could be a ritualized weekly ceremony rather than just a meal. Similar to the burning of bodies, the other Tau castes don't burn their dead.

Earthshaker cannons are field artillery pieces typically either towed into a firing position or mounted on a modified chimera chassis and driven to the battlefield. So they are pretty fucking heavy, and yeah a team of Nova Ogryn can probably carry one around, but I don't see what the use of that would be. I find it doubtful that they'd be able to fire it effectively without setting it up first.

>>59498850
Meant for >>59496533

>>59498272
wouldn't orks love to fight a black crusade? da spikier da bettah

>>59498884
>>59498850
For those hard to reach places you can't take a tank. Just picture it. Chaos turds have set up shop in some Carpathian looking collection of deep valleys and mountains so deep the goats fall off. It's 500 miles to the nearest road and 50 to the nearest open ground even remotely passable.

You are safe to complete the rituals at your leisure and anything approaching on foot gets eaten by semi-feral New Men or razor wire deamon mines. Then one morning you wake up to artillery bombardment. It takes you another three earth shaking booms to figure out where attack is coming from. It's the ledge on the sheer cliff face. Pointing your magnoculars you see that there is no way up that rock face, but somehow an Earthshaker and a lot of rope is there and it's being manned by Ogryn. The fuckers climbed up the other side of the mountain with it and lowered it into position. And they're laughing and loading another shell. One of them has his own set of magnoculars pointing right at you. He grins waves, unthinking you wave back just as you hear the dreaded whistle of an incoming shell and the world goes white.

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>>59487659
Cornholio is now a small god of Savlar. It is known.

It's also the name of a Cadian tree spirit and a Catachan small god of the Deep Green. Catachan, Savlar and Cadia all seem to view Cornholio as the well meaning idiot god.

>>59438174
>>59438997
Hey didn't you also write the first draft of the Assassins stuff before the original Editfag revised it?

Either way, welcome back friend and I hope you'll write again for the thread, you do good work.

>>59499219
>>One of them has his own set of magnoculars pointing right at you. He grins waves, unthinking you wave back just as you hear the dreaded whistle of an incoming shell and the world goes white.
Okay, this bit sold me on it.

Does the setting have a theme song yet?

>>59499219

Sounds pretty Vietnam War to me - referring to Dien Bien Phu and the fuckin' arties the NVA hauled up the mountainsides to eff'up the French.

>>59489206
We did explicitly say that the AdMech has been successful in hiding the existence of the Void Dragon from the Imperial Court. The only ones who know it exists are the Guardians of the Dragon and the AdMech inner circle who are so far in the institution feels they can be trusted (typically the ones who knows how things work beyond dogma, but at the same time can be trusted with the real reason why they don't invent all the time).

Emperor knows that the AdMech are hiding something from him, but he assumes it's something as benign as a DaoT toaster. In the darkness of the 41st millennium, everyone has their own secrets. The question is whether they're things you need to know or merely useful leverage.

The idea of the Imperial court learning that a nearly whole C'tan was imprisoned in the most heavily populated solar system in the Imperium was a serious enough threat that the Guardians of the Dragon were willing to consider making an Inquisitor (actually a Hydra/Illuminati fraud who was really only out for themself) "disappear", despite them finding the idea distasteful and knowing the shitstorm it could bring. Knowing the Void Dragon exists might be enough to force the Imperium to declare Exterminatus on Mars, and it would shatter any trust the Emperor has in the AdMech.

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>>59501290
I was wondering if that was Assassinbro. He did do really good work and was really good at painting the darker corners of the universe without going full grimderp.

>>59495595
I can only imagine Be'lakor watching the mortals and Chaos Gods repeatedly bang their head against the wall with equal parts schadenfreude and "the fuck is this?" The Orks were designed to be tamper-proof. Their survival instinct was turned off, they were engineered in a certain way to ensure that natural selection wouldn't dull them with a sense of self-preservation and to keep Warp entities (and a certain annoying C'tan) from feeding off them or weakening them. And there's no way he can help with their insane plan. His expertise was in Warp constructs and Immaterial "physics", not genetic engineering. He just knows enough to laugh at them from the sidelines.

It's probably one of the few ways he gets to watch the birdman flounder.

>>59506416
An agent of the Hydra would amount to a personally selected and directed agent of the Emperor's will, and such a position would necessarily preclude the agent being a loose cannon member of the Illuminate order. An agent of the Hydra would be up a tier of subterfuge from the Alpha and Omega Legions, a confidant of the Throne itself. Essentially not one that you can disappear, because the Emperor himself is paying attention to the agent's soul across cosmic distances, and will debrief them after death if necessary.

In any case, that was a member of the Illuminate Order, not the Hydra.

Oh wow, this is the first time I've caught one of these threads live. I guess this is the best time to ask if there are any pressing needs that y'all feel needs to codexed or storied up. Haven't contributed to one of these before so I'd need to dive into the notes, but I've got a hankering for some writing to do (I'm personal to a codex entry of the Cadian Doctrine myself).

>>59508956
Honestly there's all sorts of stuff that needs a write-up. First and foremost though I think we need some more people in the current era. Maybe browse through some of the previous threads for some of the discussion about the current acting chapter master of the Ultramarines, Titus and his friend/girlfriend Mira. Maybe you could help there.

Failing that, we could use some more Imperium people/aliens in the 41st millennia who aren't getting on in years.

>>59508956
... I just want to see cute/romantic/smutty fics of Human and Xenos couples as they kindle their hopes for a better future... My heart-boner won't leave me alone, and I'm utter shit at writing.

>>59510654
This too, honestly. I'd love to see something done for a space marine x eldar pairing.

>>59510770
I was thinking along the lines of a Guardsman entering into a relationship with an Eldar healer that saved his life after a battle of some sort, but that works too. I just want cuteness!

>>59510807
Honestly both could work and probably happen in this setting.

>>59510829
Someone, please... we need stories...

>>59499076
For, against, both, it's all the same to them usually

>>59510877
Well, apparently this guy is going to throw something together this weekend apparently. >>59441655

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>>59502738
Nova Ogryn are a source of much bemusement by their allies and woe to their opponents. Take the scout's for example. Ogryn scouts are a thing. Traditionally they are armed with crossbows or hunting bows that would be longbow in the arms of a lesser man. Nova Ogryn women are consistently notably taller than mundane men and measurably brawnier. Nova Ogryn men can wear Space Marine hand-me-down clothing after a bit of tailoring work. The idea of them being sneaky is laughable.

And then you realize that they hunt for food on their homeworlds and hunt creatures both cunning and strong. So they can hide, they can sneak and they know how to wait and where to wait. And they can track. Holy shit the greybeards can track like champions. And then the Imperium gave them Cameleoline cloaks.

The best of them hunt Lictors.

They're still pretty dumb. Without augmentations you probably won't find one that's passably literate.

How are the other lesser and minor peoples on the Eastern Fringe doing? The ones that in vanilla hadn't joined the Tau Empire. The Church of Dracolith and the Noisome Reek for example.

So what do we know about Prometheanism?

>>59514279
Community-focused. We've never really hammered out the details but there have been suggestions (by different anons) that it's like "Space Baptists with a fire fixation", "pieces of god/pandeism", or orthodox Ethiopian Christianity. But no cohesive idea has come out.

They don't get along with Tau'va adherents, despite both promoting the group above the individual. This is not because they are so different but because they are so similar. "Strength through unity versus unity through strength" was suggested to be the difference.

>>59515224
I think that they were only described as Coptic-ish in the way that they organized themselves and their much flatter hierarchy.

>>59512719
That pic just begs the question; would you an Ogryn?

>>59517788
No thank you, death by snu-snu isn't one of my fetishes.

>>59498304
Do the Tau have a tradition of honoured predecessors? Men and women of their caste who has excelled in their role.

>>59487403
I imagine that the dog is, rather than a cyber-creature, a custom made thing from the workshops of the Hubworlds. No meat in there. People say that they can't feel becasue they are not flesh, but they have simple souls and were copied in exacting detail from dogs. Therefore incredibly loyal and oddly playful.

There was some consideration of copying he Fenrisian Wolf but the project was dropped because █████████ ███████ ██████ ███████Ave Hydra █ ██ ████ ████ ███████████ ███████████████ ██████ and the subject was never raised again.

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How many Mks of Power Armour are there in this AU?

>>59522970
I would assume more then in vanilla, simply because the Ad-Mech is under pressure to not be completely retarded in this setting. How many precisely? I dunno.

Bump.

>>59510807
Hmm, this piques my interest. I shall endeavor to write this weekend!

What's going on with the Dark Angels?
Did Luther do the betrayal, or was it the Lion?
How big is the Fallen Angel faction?

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>>59528411
Writefag-Senpai noticed my suggestion!

I had an idea for one of the Beasts that existed between Urlakk Urg and Ghazghull, a sort of Grom the Paunch/Attila the Hun-esque figure called Zurgrob da Git. The concept was that Zurgrob was notable for being one of the few (if not the only) Flash Gitz to earn the title of Mag Uruk Thraka.

Zurgrob was notable for his immense greed for loot, which is what gave him enough ambition to put together a serious WAAAGH! Of course, he’s still an Ork, so while he preferred to pay the iron price and take items of value off someone’s corpse, he wasn’t averse to just looting the hell out of the place and moving on. This ended up saving a lot of worlds in the long term, because if Zurgrob had decided to actually consolidate his holdings instead of sack and burn, he would have been a much bigger threat.

The idea was that just like Atilla, WAAAGH! Zurgrob ended up being a huge anticlimax. The Imperium was shaking in their boots over the idea of a new super-ork rising to power, only for him to die in an accident and cause the WAAAGH! to implode. However, instead of dying of a nosebleed on his wedding night like Atilla, the two ideas were either he ate some bad squigs and got poisoned or he liked to bathe in his loot and got crushed by a falling statue. Possibly if the first he was paranoid about people poisoning his food and didn’t notice the squigs were just plain bad. Nobody noticed until it was too late because the grot he had with him to keep watch got crushed under his bulk when he died and the other orks didn’t find either until the next morning. If he’d lived longer it’s possible he could have gotten much more dangerous.

>>59528483
Luther was the one who went to Chaos, and subsequently put Lion into a stasis-coma where even though they have the ability to heal his wounds now, he'd die too quickly after being pulled out of stasis for them to be used.
The Dark Angels are infamous for suffering the worst of the rise of Traitor-marines, with nearly two-thirds to three-fourths of their legion following Luther into the service of Chaos. Considering that at the time, the Dark Angels were one of the largest chapters due to their more stable recruitment pools in Franj and the worlds they'd liberated, this was the equivalent of three or four of the other, smaller legions turning to Chaos. It was a case of Lion's antisocial tendencies and reliance on Luther to make up for his own personal social inadequacies biting him in the ass, since most officers of the legion were loyal to Luther or the idea of Franj rather than the Lion or the Imperium, which led to more of the lower-ranking marines following what they they were normal orders and not realizing they were falling until it was too late.

>>59528710
However, the big trouble I’m having is I was thinking one of Zurgrob’s claims to fame would be that he nearly brought down the Charadon Ork Empire, something which the Imperium hasn’t accomplished in ten thousand years. When asked to bend the knee the Arch-Arsonist responded “how can dis git say he’s da boss when I haven’t even seen if he’s bigger dan me?”

The idea was that Zurgrob put up a good fight but Charadon's entrenched infrastructure ended up breaking Zurgrob's more nomadic horde. However, thinking about it it makes it hard to take Zurgrob seriously if Charadon can do more damage than he could. And if Zurgrob lost wouldn't Charadon just absorb WAAAGH! Zurgrob, so there wouldn't be any opportunity for the anticlimatic death?

Any suggestions?

>>59528483
Luther, Lion's older brother, did the betrayal. The Dark Angels were the largest legion at the time of the War of the Beast. 2/3-3/4 of the DA turned traitor, which would have been equivalent to 2-3 other legions. Many died in the subsequent fighting, but quite a few survive today.

The Fallen are big enough that they represent a serious bloc in Chaos, but they aren't the only power like in vanilla (they aren't even the largest one, which would be the Crones). You get a trickle of renegade warbands coming in ever since, but most lack the cohesiveness and "standards" of the original Fallen Dark Angels. Like Huron and his ilk, who are (if you squint) kind of like Space Pirate Big Boss.

Does the Chimera APC in this setting differ from canon like the Leman Russ does?

>>59528710
>>59528800
Don't want to rain on your parade, but I don't really see what this character adds thematically, and it's also OC. If you want to find a canon Ork warboss and reinterpret it, that's fine.

>>59529704
Well we've built up the fact that there were several Ork warbosses after the Beast but before Ghazghull that had the title of the Beast but didn't measure up. They were notable threats in their time but didn't leave the axe-wound in history like the original Beast did or the success rate Ghazzy's been having. Their existence would seem to be important (akin to having a different Crone Eldar leading each Crusade other than Malys) but we've had no details about them and canon in general has said little to nothing about Orks between the Beast and M41. The options are either move stuff around, extrapolate from a single line, or make slightly new stuff.

It was also a nice way to add some more depth to the Flash Gitz/Bad Moons because there's only a few named characters for them in canon and they're all mercs or Freebootas. Nazdreg could work but at the same time he seems a lot like Ghazghull but a Bad Moon.

The Git joke was also too good to pass up.

>>59529673
It's still the same basic frame but the fixtures and fittings tend to be locally made. After a few years no two are alike. In this way it lives up to it's name.

>>59530643
>>59528710
You could just copy paste an ork warboss that officially exists in name only. Here he could be the flashiest of flash gitz.

>>59524955
This. More. But not too many more. Interchangeability of parts is a major advantage that the Imperium has.

>>59520965
I'm guessing that the project was dropped and records scrubbed due to what they found whilst studying the "wolves" and how it would be an absolute violation of the First Commandment.

Outsider here. Has the setting been used for a game of some sort?

>>59535730
There was someone in an older thread who said he was going to try a game of Dark Heresy in the Nobledarkness. There is no reason why not.

>>59535730
I would personally love to try and run a game within the setting, although maybe not starting off. I could certainly see a pulp style game with dimension hopping thrown in. Maybe a few sessions at the start chock full of grimdark of the regular timeline and then plop the group right in the middle of a Human-Eldar community living peacefully and quite close...

Also I'm starting to plug away at some write-faggotry. It's been a while, but no time like the present

>>59535881
>>59536586
It's also been pointed out it's probably not the best idea to use Nobledark as someone's entry point into 40k. The tonal shift is likely to make people all confused and you don't get as much out of it it you don't have a point of comparison with vanilla.

DH would probably have to be revamped to allow non-human characters though. I think stats are available for Tau in it but nobledark!Sisters (with augs), Eldar, and any of the others (tarellian, watcher, kinebrach, etc.), don't have stats. Same with abhumans.

Are DH and Rogue Trader compatible? You could import kroot, Blood Axes, and maybe reverse engineer eldar from Dark Eldar in that case.

Astartes would be hard to include. DH has stats for Grey Knights but they're so overpowered compared to what most of the party would face.

>>59494567
AdBio don't often do the "on the ground" work if they can help it. The Hospitaler orders do. They run poor hospitals and penny schools. AdBio make vaccines, sisters distribute it.

Old Tree is possibly unique to the degree that the two are interwoven. It also helps that the Old Tree is self funding due to the influence it has on the aristocracy.

>>59538084
Rogue Trader could most definitely work. There is plenty of fan-created splat books that could go to work in creating the atmosphere.

Also RT would probably be the easiest to explore this new setting imo. Or at least make it easier to focus on whatever the GM wanted to focus on with all of the new stuff.

>>59528685
Part 1

The pain would not stop; Keir could not go any further.
He stumbled and fell, finding himself unable to move further throughout the barren tundra. He could hear the heavy boots and haggard breathing of the vile greenskins growing closer with every second.
He had been separated from his comrades and was now being pursued to his death. His left shoulder had nearly been torn in half by the heavy shoota’ round and he had not stopped running since. He was supposed to stand and fight and yet now he would die alone, at the hands of who knew what the greenskins would do to his corpse.
So many thoughts, so much anger and misery, swirled through his mind. He remembered grasping his last grenades and holding tight to their primers. If he would die, then he would do so on his own terms.
Wait, wasn’t it the las pistol he put to his head? He could not recall now.
All he knew was that in a moment the greenskins now shadowed him, ready to do their butcher’s work.
Then they were all gone, vanishing in roars of outrage and boiling blood. Keir sat in stunned silence as his consciousness began to fade. The last thing he saw was a flash of vibrant purple and a white clad figure. It was the most beautiful thing he had ever seen.

>>59538750
“That will make everything official sir, and may I say congratulations!”

Keir quickly shook himself from his remembrance of that long past battle. He forced a grin at the regimental clerk that he could not recall the name of. So many of those he knew were now laid down in their graves, their final reward as soldiers of the Imperial Guard.

He pushed that out of his mind though. He quickly gathered up his papers while uttering a quiet thanks to the Eldar clerk and made his way out of the office. He didn’t think he could get away from the mustering ground quick enough.

The sight of his now former commanding officer was enough to stop him though. Out of habit he snapped to attention, which the colonel waved off with a good natured chuckle.

“At ease doctor, I’ll have none of that from you today.” Colonel Vos was a battle scared man, with the iron will made from the stuff of legends. Still he presented an easy going smile and possessed a charismatic air.

“Old habits die hard Colonel, even in retirement.” Keir allowed a smile to overtake his face. The reality that he was finally able to go home and stay there for as long as he wished was quite the comforting one. His relief was visible as Colonel Vos grinned in strange visage of happiness mixed with terror from the many scars he barred.

“If anybody around here deserved it more doctor I can’t recall them. I’ll be sad to see you go myself, and the rest of the officers will miss your hangover curatives.”

“They’ll march on without me just fine, and hopefully they can figure out their own curatives with the new medical chief.” Keir chuckled to himself before remembering where he was supposed to be.

“I promise to reach out from time to time colonel, but I must desperately be somewhere else.”

Keir barely waited the dismissive wave of Colonel Vos as he moved toward the nearest skydock. He had a long way to go, but the thought of what was waiting for him gave him comfort

>>59538785
Part 3 (Please be patient, I have autism):

“Guess who’s b-!”

Keir quickly petered off as he saw the darkened entryway. It was strange; he was so thoroughly expecting to be tackled straightaway by two bolts of endless energy and a smile that could brighten up his soul if it was needed. He could honestly say it felt a sinking feeling as he moved toward the den.

That feeling quickly began to turn around and climb back up when the single light of a lamp was visible in the room, and sat next to it, with vibrant lavender hair visible but turned away, was the one of the three people he loved more than any other.

Feeling a bit cheeky, Keir did his best to step lightly across the floor to the reclining figure. Every step his confidence grew, closer and closer, almost reaching that mesmerizing lavender-

“Welcome home love.”

The balloon of victory was popped so unceremoniously that it was a wonder that Keir did not slump onto his knees in defeat right there.

“Of course, it would figure you have your senses active while reading a book at home.” Keir could not stop the mirth entering his voice.

“I did not need my senses to know you were there, you’re just not as sneaky as you’d think.” The relaxed form of Tal’hina of Yme-Loc shifted as Keir joined her in the rather large reclining seat; both of them settling into their new positions comfortably.

“Not that sneaky?” Keir made sure to sound indignant in his retort, “I’ll have you know that once I was able to retrieve an entire squad from under the noses of at least a dozen Ork kommandos.”

A brilliant set of golden eyes turned to regard him with skepticism mixed with a sense of amusement. They never failed to take a small part of his breath away.

“Well, I think they were kommandos. I mean I never saw them but I’m pretty sure I could smell them.”

>>59538807
Part 4:

A minute passed by in silence, both enjoying the closeness of the moment. It was then that Keir was finally able to feel the growing sting that stemmed from his left shoulder and was beginning to spread to his arm and chest. He did his best to ignore it.

“What’s wrong?” Keir wanted to curse profusely at that question; of course she’d be able to tell almost immediately. He thought for a split second for lying about what happened but common sense quickly squashed that thought.

“I… it’s nothing, just that ache I mentioned, it will pass in a moment.” Keir grunted as Tal’hina turned to straddle him suddenly, her hands quickly looking over his face for any apparent signs of something wrong only she would be able to see.

“I swear you insufferable man, you never do stop to think when you have the chance to show off! You should have stayed home and gotten rest, or at the least-“

“Tal’hina…” Keir grabbed her hands to stop her constant movement. “I know, but I’m fine, I wanted to the old guard off properly, exchange contacts and the like. Those folk are family to me and I didn’t want to spoil the effort they went through.” Tal’hina forced Keir to look into her golden eyes, the worry shining through.

“It’s getting worse.”

“We don’t know that-“

“And what if you’re wrong?” Their voices never rose above a whisper to not disturb their son and daughter, and it was an ‘argument’ they had had before. Still it was one topic that never failed to drive them to confront one another.

Keir took hold of Tal’hina’s hands and held them to his heart, hoping her proximity would give him the strength it never failed to give. “Listen, I’ve had opinions from almost every other doctor in the old brigade. I even managed to sneak a few civilian doctors in, Human and Eldar alike, all of them say there is a chance, but that’s nothing we didn’t know before.”

>>59538841
Part 5:

Tal’hina’s eyes remained locked to his, but the worry did not seem to abate, pushing Keir to try and reassure his loved one.

“I worry Tal’hina, just as much as you. I worry about what might happen if the our little ones see me like that, I’m worried that it will not stop next time, or that it will start to come back quicker.” Keir squeezed the hands he held gently, “But you have to believe me that I will do everything I can… there’s no other alternative.”
The worry still lingered, but Tal’hina’s face softened. Keir took the moment to press his lips to Tal’hina’s own. They lingered on the connection, finally breaking apart with a need to breath. She moved to place her head on her husband’s shoulder, eyes closed. The silence reigned for another minute, before Tal’hina spoke again.

“So, it’s official then?” Keir nodded slightly as his head leaned against Tal’hina’s own, “All the papers signed and dotted. They need to record it on the regimental record but it’s done in all but name. I’m officially retired.”

“For the moment.” Tal’hina was quick to correct him. “Aye, for the moment.” Keir was as quick to agree.

Tal’hina hummed, though Keir would swear that she purred, as she spoke. “Well, then we should do something ourselves to celebrate.” She seemed to enjoy her position; she was getting sleepy herself, and the body warmth of her doctor was doing much to lull her to sleep. If only she had kept her eyes open, she would see the glint of an ingenious idea hit Keir’s eye.

In one moment Tal’hina was comfortably sleepy, and the next she struggled to contain the groan of pleasure that escaped her mouth. She did not know what had just happened, until she felt familiar hands at the base of her ears.

>>59538872
Part 6 (Final):

“K-Keir, w-what are-Ahh!” The stuttering beauty was stopped from talking as the sensations from the massage of her ears overwhelmed her sleepy state, her blush inadvertently lighting up her face.

“You said we should celebrate Lav, I figure there’s no time like the present. The night is young after all.” Keir felt like he should cackle like the mad genius that he was, but that would most likely divert the mood from what he was going for. Then again once he managed to get a good massage going for Tal’hina’s ears, it was a bit hard to stop.

Hard to stop though it was, Tal’hina did her upmost to fight through the pleasurable feeling. “B-but you’ve ju-just gotten…ooh…h-home, and you need y-your re-eehh-st, and th-.. ahh.. and the children-.”

“Let’s just call it another chapter in our grand adventure Lav, a great challenge we will overcome.”

The massaging stopped as Keir quickly wrapped his arms around Tal’hina’s neck and knees in a way as delightfully similar to their wedding night as he carried her to their own room. Tal’hina could not stop the girlish giggle that escaped from her blushing body, and Keir could not wipe the goofy smile that had been chiseled onto his face.

As Keir loved to say there was no time like the present. They had the entire future to worry about but that was all for tomorrow. Though Keir and Tal’hina would make sure it would be a future worth fighting for.

>>59538894

My sleep addled brain would not stop until I got this done. I'm not sure of it's quality but it was fun trying to weave something in what was essentially a speed write
So too cliched? Do anything for you in your heart boners?

>>59538926
Works for me! I'm a simple man: I see romance, I like.

>>59443783
So he a condescending smug bastard but with a heart of gold and cares about the wellbeing of the "quaint little people" on his land. Sounds about right. Also looking on his section and the titles of his underlings it seems that he does have guards actively protecting the Blue Skins. Also they have weathered a tyranid attack and there is no way that the Blues could do that without a lot of help.

>>59538926
Its adorable

>>59538926
It's a nice bit of writing. Only one real problem though is that Eldar and Humans largely cannot have biological children yet(with Taldeer and LIIVI being the only real exception as such) and I would have to assume they adopted some war orphans or some shit. Still a nice job, though.

>>59538894
>ear-play
O-oh my... how lewd!

>>59541009
>>59438769
>>59443783
I wouldn’t say he’s condescending or smug. Even in canon Nemesor Zahndrekh was noted to be unusually nice for a Necrontyr Nemesor. He treated defeated enemies with respect, (attempted to) wine and dine prisoners of war, etc. In this timeline Obyron was a gutter urchin who Zahndrekh took into his household and worked up his ranks to head bodyguard.

Of course, "nice" doesn't equate with "weak". Zahndrekh was noted to be a genius strategist both here and in canon, and any foes who attempted to take advantage of the Nemesor’s personality would quickly realize that Zahndrekh was nice because he could afford to be nice. Think Julius Caesar and his capture by pirates, or Richard the Lionheart (only a more competent ruler).

As mentioned before, this is probably part of the reason why Szarekh brought him on sixty six million years ago. He was unflinchingly loyal, a skilled general, and he made Szarekh’s side look good. The fact that the Nemesor could be lenient to those who genuinely pledged themselves to Szarekh made him a good carrot to the bigger stick during the Wars of Seccession. And this was back when Szarekh still had some humanity (necrontyrity) to him and could be as magnanimous as he was brutal.

Zahndrekh also doesn't realize humans, eldar, Tau, Orks, etc., aren’t Necrontyr. In canon it’s because he still thinks he’s still living through the Wars of Secession. Here he knows some time has passed, but it’s not clear if he sees all sapient life as Necrontyr as in canon or he thinks they’re some weird evolved form of Necrontyr aided by his addled mind. It’s clear he doesn’t remember anything that has happened since the Wars of Secession, and doesn’t even remember the Old Ones (who were known to the Necrontyr then but had little impact on their politics).

>>59543707
Yeah, you got it on the spot. The idea was that they adopted. I specifically checked the notes on 1d4chan to see if there had been anything mentioned on it and read the section about Taldeer and LIIVI .

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>>59545410
>Pic-related

>>59531983
This. It's what I did with Blacklaw, and people seem to like it.

>>59547012
You did good, regardless. I thoroughly enjoyed it, Writefag-Senpai

>>59547012
First, what this dude said.>>59547344
Secondly, if you ever expand on this, you may want to detail more of couple's history together.

I’ve been in every thread since the fifth one, I’d be really curious to hear someone newer to the project sum it up as suscinctly as they can.

>>59547437
Absolutely, should I ever find myself stumbling back onto an active thread that is. It's good that it was apparently enjoyable at least.

>>59548273
40K with a healthy dose of reason, seasoned to taste with Hope.

>>59538894
>Ear-play
>on a blue board

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jFqhjaGh30

>>59548273
40k with good guys and less stupidity.

>>59425998
it seems startrek general will have them you can write about them over there.

>>59546509
I think he realises that the Tau aren't, but they show proper respect so they're good. Humans and eldar are quite obviously Necrontyr descend which means that the Imperium is the only legitimate nation

>>59549375
Speaking of Tau, I'm kinda curious about something, how do the Tau physically react to stimulants like caffeine and depressents like alcohol?

>>59550101
They would have to have their own equivalents. Not sure how booze would stick to blood with cobalt instead of iron.

>>59522970
We probably need a chart like the progression variation of the augmentations. On the subject of which did anyone save the one tat showed the development of the Battle Sister upgrades?

>>59550101
They dont because they are boring smurfs

>>59538894
Oh god, so fucking lewd. Moar plz.

>>59538138
Old Tree outgrew it's founders and became it's own thing. It attracts or raises it's onw people and is a self sustaining power in it's own right. It also has close ties with an Order Militant for those hard to deal with problems.

>>59512719
Have there been any Ogryn characters written about in this AU? Is there a Nork Deaddog?

>>59552862
Did we ever get a write up done?

>>59550101
>>59550133
They're mentioned to have some type of alcoholic beverage in canon. Or at least something that acts in a similar manner (gets them drunk).

>>59555336
Kais' father was a drunkard in Vanilla.

>>59553673
Nork has been mentioned to exist, I don't think there was anything written up on him specifically.

>>59555013
I don't think we were ever able to figure out how they worked, one proposal seemed to be considered too much magical realm by the thread.

>>59556096
Really? Interesting. Has it been decided whether his dad is a drunkard in the Nobledark as well?

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>>59557954
All that has been described of Kais DoomTau's upbringing is that he was raised in a boarding school, as is the case with all Fire Warriors, that was hard in the Tau Traditionalist camp which made his Reformist leanings exceptional and annoying.

Possibly his dad had a drink problem in this AU, possibly he did not. The Tau empire has endured some shit and much of it might lead a soldier to drink. In either case in Vanilla when they put Kais in his padded cell he was still clutching the Tau equivalent of a prayer book his father had given to him and I see no reason for that not to be the case here as it shows that his father did love him and was not intentionally detrimental, he was just broken inside. Although not as broken as Kais ended up when the fun police caught up with him in this AU.

>>59557440
Would Nork be in a full Ogryn regiment or just a bodyguard hired independently?

>>59546509
He's also friends with Inquisitor Helynna Valeria after he rescued her from a tesseract. Tesseracts being, at least to him, the equivalent of a Rubik's Cube and his parent's once gave him one to play with as a child.