Do we need to elaborate more on what life is like in the Farsight Enclaves? I'm having a hard time thinking of things beyond similar to canon Tau empire.

Canon has a lot of extreme grimdark associated with the caste system. A Water Caste diplomat worries about being purged for liking to view and create art. Same thing with an Air Caste pilot who keeps a sidearm for personal safety. Farsight was beaten as a child when he attempted a frantic field repair of his battlesuit, because it 'wasn't his job to fix things'. We know the Empire is cautiously stretching these boundaries through Qunari-esque loopholes to avoid stagnation, but this still comes of as extreme even for the Enclaves, which have much greater manpower issues (or maybe it just seems extreme from a reader's perspective).

One thing that might be good is to keep Farsight stumbling upon and shutting down the experiments on the Kroot. But in this timeline the inhumane experiments weren't ordered by the Ethereal council. The Ethereal council did sign off of research into the Kroot, but meant actual research (maybe in hopes of fixing the degeneration issue or adding Kroot adaptability to others) and had no idea this was going on, and Aun'Va would probably wring the researcher's neck if he did. Much like how the AdBio screwed up with the project that made Legi. Even if a group is mostly well-intentioned doesn't stop individuals from screwing up or being bad. But Farsight sees this as yet another example of the Ethereals being willing to engage in shady stuff, as with them keeping around Water Spider, fueling his mistrust and eventual schism.

>>61590363
Our description of the Enclaves is essentially Plato's Republic, except with one super enthusiastic, immortal warrior that is the real driving force in society, driving the philosopher kings to be ever loftier upon their ivory tower as he does their will, totally blinded to the fact that the traditionalist Ethereals that he seeks to serve have become sycophants that are dependent on Farsight's interpretation of true Greater Good. Ironically Shadowsun's relationship with old Va is closer to traditional Firecaste/Ethereal relationships than the reality of the Ethereals that amount to little more than disciples and students hanging on Farsight's every syllable.

So going off the relationship between the Hydra and Malcador prior to his expedition, Alpharius and Omegon probably outranked him in the Terrawatt clan, and would also be arguably older than Oscar, and have had some measure of involvement in his upbringing, such as it was. This meshes well with their somewhat patronizing attitude when it comes to what of their spy apparatus they revealed to him, particularly if they saw him as the idealized leader he was raised to be, specifically one more generous and merciful than themselves. It makes sense that the spymasters of the Hydra wouldn't ever reveal all the secrets they had, particularly after an era of expansion into an interstellar power.

Still, at M41 the Hydra is an organization entirely controlled by emperor Oscar and his wife, including the Omega legion as well as the relatively better known Alpha legion. Lessons learned over the past ten millennia, like a member of the Hydra and his dear friend, Goge, having mental breakdown and almost crashing the whole Imperium, have inclined Oscar never to delegate the hardest choices. While A&O went to great lengths to absolutely compartmentalize their assets, Oscar has found them all, and decided if they must be utilized or eliminated. The lost ones that were purged and the ones that still go on in their horrible work cannot be said to work for any long past legacy or wider ideal that spares the Imperium itself from blame, they report to the emperor, and he will never spare himself from reviewing and approving the necessary course of action.

Now in a slightly more meta sense. I don't think we should go all the way into "hard men making hard decisions while hard" territory, but Oscar is the emperor of half a galaxy, and is by no means innocent when it comes to the dirty work involved. Part of the problem with the aforementioned trope, which is very prominent in vanilla 40k, is that the grimdark decision is actually often the easier option, not truly the hard one.

>>61591014
So when Oscar issues the order for the Omega legion to do something nasty and bleak, it should nearly always be in order to help the Imperium not by preemptive action, or destroying many to strike at a few, but for the sort of balls-to-the-walls, all-win scenarios that characterized the Raid. Oscar is the sort to demand Jack Bauer become James Bond, and view anything less as failure.

>>61588973
So which planet had the obsessive Iron Mind? We agreed it wasn't Tallarn.

>>61590861
It's also ironic that in trying to get back to the good old days of the Greater Good Farsight is further promoting the much stricter version he grew up with where as the version Aun'Va is pushing that he rebelled against is much closer to the more relaxed form that it started out as.

>>61592596

People tend to idealize the past in a form that fits his own worldview. Most "orthodox" folk will be surprised as how was really the past. Farsight is actually a pretty "realistic" view in how a society can anchor in a supposed "better past" that never existed.

Is anything done with the Vespid yet?

>>61593600
We had a bit. It's pretty much all in Thread 61. Trying to get it together.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/60121526/

While we have an interesting start, it's still not a huge amount I think.

>>61591879
Maybe whatever planet had the Omnicopaedia in canon.

>>61591014
I can see Oscar blowing his lid when he finds out about the Omega Marines. It would be hard to track down them all as they nominate from within Alpha Legion cells as needed, but he's probably realized they exist and the idea of it is probably infuriating. They'd be as much of a problem as the Harlequins, who also don't listen to anything besides "please" because they work for Cegorach, not Isha or Emps. They're just lucky that despite his weird sense of morality and humor Ceggers is mostly on the same page as his...sister? (The relationship was never defined in canon and Cegorach has said here he defies classification). And brother in-law.

>>61593993
What was Omnicopaedia?

bampin for writefaggatory

>>61590363
Did any of the non-Tau follow him into exile?

>>61595316
The thing in Canon the Mechanicus were hoping would fix the golden throne, and then something happened and they decide to make a deal with the Dark Eldar. Literally. Mostly because the Dark Eldar some the few people the Galaxy who know what they're doing with technology. It went about as well as you'd think.

>>61597725
I bet some of the vespid might. Kroot are too mercenarial to be tied down to any one place. I don't know if he would accept any Gue'vesa.

>>61597815
So it's a Dark Age Tech manual? That could work. In this AU they were hoping to find something that could be used to get the Golden Man facility up and working again. As was typical of Dark Age high end technical information it was stored on a portable hard drive as an actual hard copy in book form would be the size of a hab block.

All precaution was taken with the device. It was loaded onto an isolated data-loom on an asteroid base with nuclear emergency device on stand by. The device itself was not corrupted but the information was a deamonic compendium of true names and a little blurb about each deamon as it appear to the AI.

A printout was made. One copy went with the origional device to the Vaults, the other to Titan. Accuracy of the information is questionable as the AI did loose control of them.

bump

>>61593883
I like the idea that the Vespid don't make sense to the Bio-Druids at some deep and fundamental level. Their biology is all wrong. It looks like they should be just some sort of giant invertebrate plain and simple but they don't work that way once you get the shell off. And they have gotten the shell off, Vespid don't hold much sentimental value fr dead bodies compared to most other sapients and sentients.

Their native environment is the sort of atmosphere so dense that it's closer to soup than air and before the Tau visited them they hadn't even bothered going to the surface of their own atmosphere, there is no reason for them to be able to survive at the low pressure of an Earth type of atmosphere. And they can breathe it as well with little difficulty.

There is also no reason for them to be able to perceive light in the human range either as their world is shrouded in what is to humans perpetual darkness. But despite their islands being so deep in the pitch black soup they can see unaided just fine on the surface they had until a few centuries ago never visited.

Add to this that they have both an endo and exoskeleton, a combination that doesn't arise in nature as well as actual lungs and the AdBio are absolutely convinced that the Vespid are someone's creation. The Eldar don't have records of it so it's either not their responsibility or it was someone's pet project and any knowledge of it wasn't spread far and was lost in The Fall. They might be Old One creations but then they would have had to stay hidden and totally stagnant for 65 million years and they weren't stagnating socially or technologically when the Tau found them. Some fringe nutters try to claim that they were made by the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion to explore the insides of gas giants. This is possible and would explain why they can also survive quite happily in Earth-like environments, the GaBHD did have the capability but they also preferred to use robots for such things.

>>61601073
They don't share anything but a passing genetic familiarity with anything else in their ecosystem, what little of it has been prodded by outsiders, their endoskeleton is some sort of diamond derivative rather than bone which is not shared with any other animal of their homeworld and they are freakishly strong compared to everything else around them despite being almost total pacifists without a sense of competition and with no history of ever having had a natural predator.

Of all this the Vespid at least claim ignorance. Historically they didn't realize it was not meant to be so and so never questioned it. Maybe they are artificial. Maybe they are not. It does not bother them. Very little bothers them.

>>61599150
I think we suggested that the struggle for the book of daemon names and in a Chaos victory. On the one hand because it would make it too easy for the Imperium to have a handy book on how to banish daemons, and for the Crone Eldar it would compliment any methods they had but would not make them game breaking. Plus we need more Chaos victories.

>>61601642
Fair point. Inquisition, with Mechanicus support, track down a book of ancient legend penned by an Iron Mind that looked upon the unfathomable and tried to categorize it.

They find it and in that moment hope turns bitter. The Inquisitor's bodyguard slits his throat and the last thing the Inquisitor sees as the blood pours through his fingers are his friends likewise falling and the Croneworlder stepping over their bodies and taking the device.

What excuse does Farsight use to explain his longevity?

>>61603526
That's a pretty good question.

I know there is a suggestion that one of the pre-Tau'va "beliefs" of the Tau (saying that loosely because Tau seem to have trouble wrapping their head around the idea of spirituality and their beliefs tend to be more materially applicable like Confuscianism or Legalism) was that someone could reach a state of perfect harmony with the materium or something like that. Some people might invoke that as "hey, it's not the Tau'va, but it might have a grain of truth to it".

Bump

Bumping for Cute Eldar Waifu stories.

>>61604450
Honestly Farsight might be the sort to revel in his uncertainty, and leave his own immortal state of being to the Ethereals to speculate over.

>>61601148
This raises the question of what they eat.

>>61609605
Whatever they want. They can eat the flesh of the other creatures floating around in their soup of a planet, and there are a lot of them especially in the places where there is an upwelling of krill and plankton analogues from the lower levels. Their favourite food is the nectar of the giant fucking huge lily pads that float on the layers just above where their islands typically bob around. They just drift around some of the largest almost a mile wide casting great shadows into the briny deeps. At regular intervals they develop great flowers on their undersides where the drifting creatures swarm to get that delicious syrupy goodness and the pads can spread pollen.

The nectar has an effect on the vespid not entirely unlike getting mildly drunk. It makes them happy but slightly stupid and less responsive. It's banned outside of their homeworld as to humans and anything that works similar to humans the vapours that it emits in an Earth-like atmosphere at room temperature are classed as a form of nerve gas. It is speculated that the nectar has other effects on their biology that are needed to maintain a healthy and functional population, some speculate that it triggers the breeding cycle in their queens and their attendants. Others claim that it is only consumed in religious ceremonies, a subject that the vespid have always been remarkably tight lipped about. The vespid are not forthcoming on the subject although the end goal of terraforming similar worlds to their homeworld seems to be the cultivation of more of the lilies rather than environmental needs of their own.

Other than that their diet seems to be varied. They can eat anything from cabbage to red meat, though they prefer anything with a lot of sugar in it.

>>61602165
But that just raises the question of which Inquisitor has to die. A named one from Vanilla or one we make up?

>>61607244
We still need the story of Siritseer Iyanna Arienal and Prince Yriel.

>>61612440
We have Yriel's perspective, I think. Like A girl in every port like James Bond but only one waifu because that waifu commands the loyalty of the second largest Craftworld and an army of the dead and would gut him if he ever thought otherwise.

I think we implied they knew each other before he pulled his Krieger stunt, he did it for his home but her reaction was along the lines of "that crazy bastard actually came back?"

Iyanna probably started out as just a spiritseer, and then ended up saddled with increasing authority due to being face of Iyanden's seer council and honorary admiralship. IIRC Iyanna actually doesn't like humans (in contrast to Yriel), being a part of the last pre-Kraken generation and hates her admiral title, though it's more she finds both annoying and puts up with it because human voidsmen respond to anyone with the rank "admiral" better. She probably knows the eldar can't afford to stay stuck in the past (she is an Iyanden spiritseer, after all), but isn't too happy about it.

That's what I recall, though I could be wrong. A lot of her fluff is scattered around.

There was also a suggestion that her personal ship is some sort of flying dutchman thing to fit her title but we never figured out how to make that work.

It's difficult to say if she's pathlost or not. I would say she's 100% lost on the path of the spiritseer, she can't see herself doing anything else. But she has to juggle a lot more than just the dead. I'd imagine what constitutes a "path" to be the subject of much debate in eldar society. Yes, something like being an admiral and a spiritseer is definitely a niche job. But when you have someone do it for thousands of years you almosy have to give it a name. Giving names to minute differences is a very eldar thing to do. Is it a path, or some kind of subpath?

>>61610689
People would have to know enough about their religious ceremonies to rule out Chaos worship. For all people know the nectar could be a gateway to Slaanesh worship. If the fricking Saruthi can fall, you have to be concerned about everyone. The Watchers likely only get a pass because the DAs vouch for them, and their tendency to froth at the mouth at any sign of Chaos or the idea of treason is well-known.

It could be the Inquisition knows just enough to be confident it's not Chaos worship (Vespid seem too selfless for it), but Marcus mediocris doesn't.

>>61611500
There's got to be some canon Inquisitor we could use. Canon would make more of an impact for the reader but OC would give us more flexibility.

The question remains do the Crones just step in to snatch victory from the Imperials' grasp or did they do more (battle on the planet's surface, play the long game by baiting the Inquisitor). I could see Crone breadcrumbs being a problem for Inquisitors. Inquisitors love a good clue trail and Crones are sadistic enough to love to make Imperials do half the work for them or follow a clue trail that leads to their death or corruption.

>>61613178
I think that it could be like the Religio Mortis and other secretive but allowed sects. An Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus goes in with a small group of specialist and, so long as they find that there is no touch of Chaos, take an oath of silence on the whole issue.

In any case they might not have been allowed. The vespid are long term clients of the Tau and the Tau came in under Survivor Civ rules. Any actual authority the Inquisition would have would therefore be shaky at best

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>>61613026
Speaking of Yriel, found a perfect portrait for him.

>>61614668
That but with a pirate hat. Yriel is all about getting the snazziest hat.

>>61617265
Do eldar adolescents wear fake Dark Eldar spiky (blunt) clothing made of plastic and rubber or would that be going too far?

>>61617519
Considering their nature, a jaded, saw-everything-on-this-life, century-old, decadent rouge trader would consider an Eldar's adolescence way too much.

And I'm trying to imply barely legal slutty eldar babes.

>>61610689
>>61601148
>>61601073
It paints them with the image of a gentle giant type of creature. They can each and all get into a boxing match with a space marine and have a realistic possibility of winning. They look like the bastard children of a wasp and a gorilla. They carry weapons that can punch through tanks. They are the stuff of nightmares. Then you meet one.

There is no malice in those strange eyes. They step around ants.

>>61617519
>>61619334
We've mentioned the Enforcers often have their hands full in trying to wrangle eldar teenagers. Exactly what you'd expect from having to keep the kids of a species that used to be super soldiers and have a tendency towards hedonism in line.

They're still considered hotheaded idiots into their equivalents of their twenties (first few centuries) despite having gotten used to the hormones. Taldeer was a saint compared to some cases.

I'm trying to remember when we said legal adulthood is for eldar. Something like 35-45? Faster than you'd thing but they have a long period of "young, brash, and stupid" afterwards.

>>61614668

So he is like David Bowie?

>>61617519

As counter-culture. Most adult Eldar will look at then like a really, really bad taste estile option, probably only permitted in the most "liberal" craftworlds. Remember that DE are until recently considered "redeemable", so maibe you will see then in the craftworlds. In a human world they risk the danger of being shot at the first glance.

>>61619382
It works really well with the xenopsychology angle we've worked into the Greater Good too, and how the major species in the Tau Empire are all highly eusocial in nature.

bump

>>61619737
Only in appearance. In temperament he's a Pirates of the Caribbean type captain. Possibly more like Barbossa with with a moral compass. He always maintains that he is out only for himself and on the face of it he really is. But then he does something that can't ever possibly benefit himself like scooping up the last of the Tanith.

>>61620259
That's one of the things I like about this AU. The similar yet alien psychologies. It reminds me of Known Space. Humans share enough similarities in mindset due to shared priorities (find food, survive, find mate, protect offspring) to understand 85% of what other species are thinking (and vice versa). But then there's that remaining 15% that trips you up because you assume they are exactly like you. And it's not something that can just be thrown aside like in canon. Failure to stay organized means everyone gets WAAAGH!ed by orks/nommed by tyranids/gaussed by necrons/raped by rape elves.

Fantasy did something vaguely similar with the Lizardmen, Dwarfs, Ogres, and Tomb Kings.

>>61619868
At what age do eldar become adults?

>>61623354
Speaking of getting WAAGH!ed, I'd imagine there would be a measure of debate in the Imperium as to whether the Orks and Gorkamorka or the elder Chaos Gods are the most horrible and successful weapon of the Old Ones, maybe even carried on from debates from the Old Empire's intellegentia. To note, the Eldar assumed they didn't count as weapons of the Old Ones, and considered themselves their soldiers.

>>61619455
They might be legally adults by then for reasons of sex and getting a job but many of the older eldar would consider fucking one to be highly suspicious behaviour. For the most part. It's one more reason the majority think Eldrad is weird.

The Isha temples will usually permit them same as any other but any young woman wishing to join will need a training period of about 150 years at least in part to prevent the temple getting a bad name.

Taldeer spent all of her teenage resentment on the Ulthuan Cartel.

>>61613026
Her personal ship could be a soul-stone retrieval and storage ship. It's primary job is to travel to battlefields where the Imperium have (temporarily) lost and soul-stones have gone unrecovered. The ship is piloted almost exclusively by the dead and possesses some of the finest stealth technology available to the craftworlders. It's signature both physical and psychic is all but totally undetectable and you would have to know what you are looking for and where it is to have any hope of detecting it. There are weapons and shields and armour and such but not at the expense of any of it's discretion.

When it arrives in a contested system it scoops up any soul-stone drifting in the hard vacuum of space before taking up a position in a very slow high orbit. Specialists then go down in specialized drop pods designed with the minimal of electronic or even metallic components. They are even painted matt black. The pods are full of shock absorbing hyper-oxygenated gel that protects and sustains the occupant from high orbit to hard landing. Once on the ground the teams dash to and fro collecting as many soul-stones as possible before detection. Upon detection they activate their beacons and beam the fuck out, the ship then drops any pretence of stealth and bolts for the web-way or systems edge.

Iyanna Arienal has probably collected more lost souls then any other spiritseer of her age. It's one reason she is so loved by her people both living and dead.

>>61621335
He also has a much better hat. Seriously, don't fuck with the hat.

>>61625203
Taldeer started her military career at 45 which was the youngest she possibly could do. It may vary from world to world.

>>61619382
Another alternative is that they aren't native to where they are now. They could be the descendants of shipwreck survivors or exiles and their parent society has since gone extinct.

>>61626006
>the Eldar assumed they didn't count as weapons of the Old Ones, and considered themselves their soldiers
:laughing_old_ones.jpg:

>>61630770
The eldar developed the view of the Old Ones that the Old Ones wanted.

>>61631623
How would the Old Ones see the multispecies Imperium?

>>61632891
Hard to say, given they don't seem to have massive xenophobic or xenophilic tendencies and are more amoral and for SCIENCE! They would probably see the Imperium as a lot of wasted potential given the Imperium doesn't have the resources the Old Ones did.

Disappointed that the orks, eldar, and hrud never reached their level. Interested in humans, tau, slaugth, kinebrach, and the like the same way the proto-eldar were.

Horrified by the Tarellians which by their standards are the equivalent of space Skaven (the high concept for "The End, But One of Many" was literally "no Imperium, you are the Old Ones"). Or maybe not.

Disturbingly interested in the tyranids.

Pissed at how polluted the Immaterium has gotten and disturbed at the invasive mess they helped create.

It would also vary among the Old Ones themselves. We know how Be'lakor sees the Galaxy as "rubes and marks". Then there's Itzl "Mistress of Beasts", who has been implied to have been one of the nicer old ones by dint of Prattkeeping Tzeentch, Malal, Khorne, Nurgle, and a lot of the other lesser lifeforms. Chotec has been mentioned as one of the more powerful Old Ones and if he's anything like Fantasy probably has anger issues.

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>>61633548
Another thing to consider is that while the Old Ones definitely would see themselves as more scientifically enlightened and possessing greater mental capacity, they were by no means super rational, optimization focused, or generally Vulcan-esque in mentality. They were a sorcery and psionics based power, and the chaos gods, eldar, Gorkamorka, etc. demonstrate their approach to advanced technology. It was the Necrotyr that leaned towards hyper-logical and calculating, the Old Ones were much more intuitive and fortuitous.

>>61631623
>The eldar developed the view of the Old Ones that the Old Ones wanted.
If you have to make one of your weapons believe it is your army in order for it to work right, that's what you do. The mental conditioning is a key part of it.
Doesn't mean that you don't laugh yourself silly about it when you think they aren't listening.

>>61632891
>look at all these new servants all gathered in one place!
>We're going to have such fun taking them apart and tinkering with them.

>>61634341
The Old Ones are said in canon to have had "cold-blooded logic", the same phrase used to describe Fantasy Lizardmen, or said to be similarly logical. It's probably likely that they are like the Yu'Vath in having emotion that is typically subsumed and viewed through the lens of logic (or at least very controlled). Or, as described below, having emotion, intelligence, but not emotional intelligence. Combined with their third eye this would have made the Immaterium much easier to work with and caused the species to win the evolutionary lottery.

This has kind of been alluded to when we discussed how the Old Ones responded to the Necrontyr request for immortality. The Old Ones told them they were not ready for immortality, and they meant it. Immortality requires a lot of thought and planning, you have to side what you going to do about population increase, resource availability, and so on. The Necrontyr didn't even have their house in order and hadn't considered any of those problems. The Old Ones were smart but had the emotional intelligence of a wet paper bag. They expected the Necrontyr to hear their words, logically evaluate the situation, and come to the same conclusion.

They didn't expect the Necrontyr to take it personally, in their eyes emotionally overreact, and declare war on them. The Necrontyr run on stubborness and spite. This can either be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the situation. They have always been described as hot blooded and rash. Which kind of gives some irony to the War in Heaven.

The Necrons (as opposed to the Necrontyr) are definitely more logical, but that's consequence of being turned into a post-scarcity, post-individual, post-heroic society. And even then some traces remain. We've remarked on the irony of the post-scarcity Necron Star Empie being slaved to the will of a very unobjective ruler. If Szarekh wasn't so hell-bent on one course of action, the Necrons would be building Dyson Spheres and leaving.

>>61635341
Probably. The only race the Old Ones seemed to respect is the Necrontyr, and they seemed to treat them more like potential apprentices they created in a lab that subsequently turned to the dark side than equals.

>>61633548
I think the Tarellians would be equally as upset once the shock and enthusiasm wear off. They have a skewed view of what they were.

>>61636983
They dropped Be'lakor down a pit cavern when he didn't seem to be what they expected. Their reaction to more aliens "masquerading" as their gods might be

>Gonna need more C4

>>61635341
This is exactly what they'd probably think, given what we have.

Is Kaldor Draigo the Outsider?

>>61640872
Well he isn't the Khornate Arch-Sorcerer Malal, so probably not.

>>61635081
The Eldar were a basis for the pantheon they produced in the eyes of the Old Ones. The mental shaping was an input to shape those individual deities, individual Eldar were hardly a concern, changing their minds could be done without wasting a thought.

>>61635478 One wonders what they'd have thought of the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion, particularly its esteemed Iron Minds and their golden children. Would they be flattered to see the their third eye returned to life in the galaxy, spliced into the Dominion's malleable Men of Stone by the great Minds?

Any record of Be'lakor's reaction? He may actually be the most probable source of the sample, seeing as he was the only survivor of his species to exist in their era. Whether hard bought by the Iron Minds or stolen from the old toad, translating extracted knowledge of a warp entity's physiology back into a semi-functional wetware structure would be another significant feat of the GaBHD's rulers. The only other alternative would be finding pre-ascension Old One genetic material, so old as to require time fuckery, so possibly through Tzeentch.

>>61641404
Or they extracted it from a mosquito preserved in amber.

If he wasn't the source of it then he would be pissed and see all Navigators as living theft.

>>61641287
The eldar gods did exist before the Old Ones. The Old Ones just fucked around with them to make them useful to the war effort.

>>61640872
Draigo is an anti-deamon, not anti-creation

>>61640872
No. Outsider is a schizophrenic, suicidal immortal, cannibal C'tan locked in away in the Lyrixia mega-structure.

Kaldor Draigo is the (former?) second Grand Master of the Grey Knights. He's a man from the Sino-Jappanic Commonwealth who was presumably born not long after or even during the Unification Wars who got stuck bodily in the Warp and against all probability found some method of surviving if not actually thriving.

It could be argued that because time does not flow in parity with reality he might not have spent 10,000 years stuck there and between his manifestations only a few subjective days have passed. Of course the opposite is also a very real and horrible possibility, it's been a great deal longer than a mere 10,000 years. It could have been a few days but with 10,000 years worth of experiences and occurrence shoved in with each second dragging out to centuries. Time is horrible in the warp and gets weirder the further in you go and he's right on the bottom most layer where shit gets really fucking weird.

>>61642749
You're thinking of Malal.

>>61641756
I think someone last thread mentioned that at least. It has also been mentioned that Khaela Mensha Khaine went slightly bonkers because he was forced by the Old Ones to be the eldar war god rather than just straight up murder god.

It was also mentioned last thread that the moment that the gods became self-aware and fully sapient due to the eldar reaching some sort of complexity threshold they already had eons old backstories pre-written with all the memories filled in. The eldar gods do know this but to them at least that didn't make it any less real.

Isha for example formed along side the rest of them in the early eldar Mesolithic (?) era fully formed alongside the rest of them. They are, objectively, all the same age. But upon creation she was the wife of Kronus, she remembered the courtship, she remembered the marriage, she remembered Lileath being born and the birth of the eldar people and more besides and the rest of the pantheon remembered these event's from their perspectives. And everything was fine until the Old Ones showed up and ruined everything.

>>61637861
>>61636983
God damn I like the Tarellian story. To them it answers the age old question. Could God make a rock so big not even God could lift it? Yes, they say. We have such a rock.

Is anyone finishing the Inquisitor Hellenia Valaria thing?

>>61644169
>Isha was never a virgin

>>61641628
What would anyone have that he would be willing to trade it for?

>>61647509
I can hardly imagine, which is why I suggest the Iron Minds stole it, at least partly. They might have kept doing deals with Be'lakor, taking surreptitious glances into his third eye with their multitudes of senses until they felt confident replicating it, or they may have engaged in a multi-millennia charade to trade a fortune to him for something that would seem useless from what he understood of their capabilities. It could even have been a trade of service for that knowledge, with Be'lakor assuming they would never actually succeed in their project even with that sample.

Or the old toad just got jumped by a pack of ticking godlings Tzeentch tipped off, ones that beat him down until he remembered what it was like to bleed, then made off with his memory of his blood.

So are Golden Men essentially the same upgrade to humanity that the Old Ones went through between their evolutionary and golden age, based on the info the Iron Minds had on the Sload? Would Oscar have a big spooky third eye if you looked at him through the warp?

>>61647760
Probably not. Old Ones at the finish were a direct and gradual continuation of what they were. Men of Gold on the other hand were the Iron Minds making something from scratch that only resembled humanity superficially for ease of communication on our part. Oscar is a quasi-organic android.

>>61647760
According to Fabius Bile yes, but then again Fabius Bile is very biased in his assessments, being pissed that humanity never tried to turn itself into an entire species of Men of Gold and is partly wrong in his worldview. >>61647933 is more what the Men of Gold really were. It's possible in a perfect universe humanity could have reached that point naturally, but then again so could the eldar, hrud, orks, and so many other species. And the Men of Gold were expensive to make even for the GaBHD and were impractical to mass produce.

Not to mention if humanity were all MoG tier psykers humanity would have been wiped out by the birth of Slaanesh. Oscar knows to avert his gaze from that which should not be but said knowledge was poorly known before the AoS.

>>61641628
I was working on a writeup for the Men of Gold, and that was kind of my working hypothesis. They got the DNA from some fossilized pre-ascencion Old One remains, didn't know what it did other than made organisms spliced with it psychic as fuck.

Same with the necrodermis they carefully got from a Necron Tomb World. Humans have been a species of scavengers and tinkerers. Always have been, always will. It was the equivalent of a Classical blacksmith getting a hold of a titanium alloy cutting-edge rifle and figuring out enough of the basics to make a titanium sword out of it, higher level replication like gunpowder being beyond them.

Though the idea of it not being coicidence also sounds promising. And it's always possible the Old One remains were "found".

>>61648201
That wouldn't be the origin of human psykery, although it might have accelerated the increase.

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>>61648409
The Man of Iron writeup puts the origin of human psykery in the solar renaissance, when the Sol system had been fully populated with electronic and biological transhuman beings in enough numbers for noteworthy psychics to become an actual part of the population rather than a rare occurrence every few generations. It was through them humanity discovered FTL travel and communication, kicking off the next sphere of human expansion that eventually lead to the GaBHD. Also at this time, any strong AI (software, hardware or wetware) would still be well below Iron Mind level, they came much later as warp based FTL processing became a thing.

>>61646651
Would you reject a smoking hot single mom?

>>61648966
There were sub-light colonies before warp travel

>>61635478
Did they respect the Necrontyr or were they just entertained by them? They were good little creatures that learned a new trick.

>>61649385
never single either

>>61652210
>never single either
But she was a widow. A smoking hot desperate widow...

Finally got Riastrad's bio done.

Riastrad was not alive during the days of the Old Eldar Empire, but was born in the years immediately after the Fall. Like many born into that strange post-Fall society with the fires of passion and the delusions of youth, he fell in with the Khornate cults, where he found his true calling. The rush of adrenaline and the raw thrill of striking down his foes called to Riastrad, more than anything else he had encountered in his life. Moreover, he was very good at it. He took skull after skull for the Skull Throne, until one day it was his blood that flowed to appease the Blood God. Riastrad’s band of Khornate berserkers had accompanied a larger Crone force in taking a minor world, and while the Crones had won the battle Riastrad was left forgotten among the dead and the dying.

That would have been the end of Riastrad, then and there, had it not been for the passing Meatweaver Scathach. Scathach had been haunting the battlefield for the same reason all Meatweavers do: looking for spare parts and unsuspecting victims for their next creation. Finding a dying Khornate champion was quite the unexpected windfall. Seeing Riastrad in such a state struck Scathach with a fit of inspiration. In a fey mood of creativity, she took a damaged, empty wraithguard shell left behind by the defenders, fixed it to the best of her ability, and then used a soul stone to rip the dying warrior’s soul from his body and stick it inside the resulting abomination of wraithbone and tainted flesh. Crone Eldar are normally aghast at the use of soul stones, abhorring any such device that would keep one from communing with the gods at their death. It is one of the few things that most sects of Crone Eldar, who will normally fight to the death over the pettiest and most trivial of issues, agree upon. Meatweavers, however, are notoriously oblivious to any such social taboos even by Crone standards.

>>61655623
Whatever the alien reasoning for her doing so, the results of Scathatch’s experiement satisfied her curiosity and she was pleased by the outcome. Riastrad, however, was not. Wraithguard shells are infamous for their lack of conventional sight and dulled physical sensation. Riastrad could no longer feel the rush of battle. He could not feel much of anything.

Since that day Riastrad has become a nightmare, throwing himself into battle again and again without regard for his safety in a desperate attempt to feel something again. He wields dual scimitars, as he was when he was pure flesh and blood, but now ones scaled to a wraithguard in the manner of one of Vect’s Wraithblades. His wraithbone shell is ritually scarified with a thousand ruinous glyphs carved into its surface, and his form is draped with the flayed, blood-soaked hides of his foes. He wears no armor, at least not beyond his wraithbone shell, in the simple hopes that even receiving pain will give him some sensation or death will free him from his wraithbone imprisonment. His violence is accompanied by an ethereal warbling howl, which to others appears to be the shrieking of daemons but is really the Riastrad’s frustrated screams at being so close to what once gave him joy, but no longer. As might be expected, although it gives Riastrad no pleasure, such slaughter pleases the blood god.

>>61655643
Riastrad often haunts the edges of Crone society, staying just long enough to hear the latest news before impatiently setting off for the nearest battlefield. It is not possible to buy Riastrad’s loyalty, but much like the Orks it is possible to entice him to the field of battle with promises of worthy foes and slaughter. Riastrad has even managed to surround himself with eager Khornate acolytes, much as he had once been. He is not their leader in any traditional sense, and indeed most of the time he barely deigns to notice their existence, at best striking down any impudent soul who gets in his way. Instead, Riastrad’s acolytes tend to follow him much as a hunter does a hunting hound. After all, he knows where the best slaughter is.

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>>61655716
Nice. Is this an adaptation of a canon character or original?

>>61652193
It's been implied the Old Ones left the Necrontyr as they were in the hopes that the shitty conditions of their homeworld would cause them to rapidly advance and give the Old Ones someone to talk to (or at least an alien viewpoint to which they could compare notes). The Necrontyr were also the only race the Old Ones considered a serious threat, granted that was only after the Necrontyr found the C'tan (before that it was a roflstomp) and the biologically immortal, millions of years old Old Ones completely lost their mind over the idea that someone could kill them, leading to make a lot of questionable decisions. The Necrontyr had actual diplomatic channels with the Old Ones. That's more than you could say for the Mon-Keigh, who viewed the Old Ones as food up until they had their jaws blown off.

This is also very relative. The Old Ones might have respected the Necrontyr more than any other species, but that isn't saying much.

>>61655716
Wonderful.

>>61657807
What did necrontyr women look like, did they have hair?

>>61648201
Should the GaBHD have had any idea what the necrons were?

>>61659809
I'd say no as then it makes them slightly more distinct from eldar and humans rather than just being big gangly humans with no nose. Although hair could be an advantage against the sun that was causing no end of trouble the same could also be said of a thick leathery hide which would also play more into their tanky theme. Also necrontyr were not meant to be pretty, being ugly or at least unhealthy looking was something they were known for.

>>61659980
I would say that encountering them would be unavoidable given the scale of both the old Necron Star Empire and the GaBHD but the existance of the Necrons would have been kept a secret from all who didn't need to know. The GaBHD already had enough with the Eldar as the ancient, unknowable malevolence precursors and finding the Eldar's ancient, unknowable malevolence precursors would amost certainly have caused needless social unrest. Also there would have been no need to inform the general populace; the Necrons they believed were all sleeping and showed no signs of waking up. All that had been attacking them had been the automated anti-theft systems. They would just have had to quarantine a few planets and prevent settlement and put out of bound stickers on areas of planets already too settled to be moved without raising questions. The leaders of the GaBHD would have known that the Necrons existed and so later would the Iron Minds but wouldn't have known much about them beyond "dangerous" and "leave the fuck alone".

>>61655716
This needs to be on the 1d4chan page.

>>61650755
But not many and not far away. Any of the long range colony fleets got intercepted and given a lift by the first primitive FTL ships when they came about.

>>61635081
Do we know what the Old Ones looked like? We know that they were amphibious, had three eyes and were cold-blooded with webbed hands and feet but that's just from because of what happens to old Navigators.

>>61662928
Kind of amphibian-y. The general idea in the threads seems to be kind of Eryops or toad-like. Dry, leathery, possibly even warty skin, but not scaly. Originally had to return to the water to breed and gave birth to a larval stage like tadpoles (though by the time of their ascension such things were beyond them and only remained as idioms in their culture). Tzeentch mentions they have claws.

Last thread we suggested that the horns and wings of Be'lakor may not have been typical for the species.

>>61659809
We know they were quasi-mammalian with breasts, given Pharaekhs are shown with them (and given they're nobility, they tend to be a bit more anatomically accurate than the rank and file). No clue about hair. The Silent King both here and in canon is the only Necron to actually look like a Necrontyr, but since he spent his only on-screen appearance cosplaying as Sanguinius we have no idea what he really looks like.

>>61660580
I think we suggested they did have a big, single nose hole like a lamprey, partly to make them look more alien.

>>61659980
>>61660580
We mentioned that they managed to get a sample of necrodermis very, very carefully from a Tomb World (probably with lots of drones or Men of Iron who had a recent back-up), and did some research on that (written in terms of an expedition entering a Hollywood Egyptian tomb). So people knew they existed, but most likely thought they were automated defense systems of some long extinct race. The eldar probably wouldn't say much, they had more important concerns, same with most of the other children of the Old Ones.

It probably helped that a certain leader of the Cabal was not too eager about the idea of waking the entire Star Empire back up, though he did think the Silent King was dead.

>>61663655
Very stubby horns could be present in the early Old One population (the group that Be'Lakor belonged to) as a vestigial trait that the ascension to deamonhood exaggerated.

>>61647509
[spoiler/]a book on theoretical warp physics and interactions[/spoiler]

>>61648966
>>61661664
What would have been the first sub-light founding colonies? We can assume Cthonia/Proxima Centauri was one but was disassembled with the construction of The Ring. What were the others and how many were there?

>>61591061
I don't think Oscar orders the Omegas to do anything. He tells someone who knows someone who knows someone about a problem. Then that problem stops being a problem.

>>61668768
Yeah, Oscar doesn't approve of Omega, but he can't do anything about it without spending resources best used elsewhere, and they're overall on the Imperium's side, or at least tend to work out that way.
Deep down, he recognizes them as an unfortunate necessity, but he doesn't like them or the fact that he has practically zero oversight on them. Hell, he only knows they exist through being smart and centuries of eidetic recollection and analysis of interactions. The specifics of the group elude him, and everyone else for that matter.

>>61645992
I started it and I do intend to finish but if you want then go ahead.

>>61667161
Either Proxima or Alpha Centauri was mentioned in canon as a backwater place (kind of akin to an old Route 66 stop, once prosperous but no longer) where the rogue tech-priesy who tried to take over Mars with what if you read between the lines are techno-zombie Men of Iron reportedly fled to.

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>Wanna hang out?

>I'm super friendly, mon'kei-- human, I promise...

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>>61674745
well here it was turned into neutronium by Builder Minds to make a ringworld and eliminate the question of its gravitational pull.

>>61676161
What sort of eldar is that?

>>61677734
Feigning casual use of impolite language then remembering and correcting herself, no evidence of body modifications or self mutilation, clothing that could be worn in polite society but altered to look goth-lite, craftworlder runes, soul-stone necklace. I would say an adolescent or just post-adolescent eldar of the Enclaves or Craftworlds going through a rebellious phase.

They think that they are ever so mature because they have just turned 30 and have taken their first (provisional) Path and so are practically full citizens now. Which totally means that they have a valid opinion on the way (((society))) is run and could totally run this place better if people would listen to them. Also contrarian opinions about The Fall and all the shit surrounding it that they don't actually believe but still express because they believe it's shocking and original. Never actually met anyone who isn't an eldar before but has extensive opinions on them. Tries to dress in a provocative manner but not too much or their parents will kick their ass. Heard that eldar were descended from a warrior breed and so believes that they are a super soldier, has never seen combat worse than a schoolyard slap fight.

Presumably from one of the safer Enclaves/Craftworlds as on places like Cadia this sort of attitude does not grow.

>>61676541
Where the mater to make the ring came from is still mostly unknown. To make it they would have had to disassemble quite a few surrounding systems for their matter. The ring had a little over 73,000 Earth worth of surface area on the inside edge of the Ring. It's likely that any planets in the system were moved/destroyed/harvested out of convenience and work place safety more than actual need of building materials.

>>61678324
>They think that they are ever so mature because they have just turned 30 and have taken their first (provisional) Path and so are practically full citizens now. Which totally means that they have a valid opinion on the way (((society))) is run and could totally run this place better if people would listen to them. Also contrarian opinions about The Fall and all the shit surrounding it that they don't actually believe but still express because they believe it's shocking and original. Never actually met anyone who isn't an eldar before but has extensive opinions on them. Tries to dress in a provocative manner but not too much or their parents will kick their ass. Heard that eldar were descended from a warrior breed and so believes that they are a super soldier, has never seen combat worse than a schoolyard slap fight.

This sounds shockingly believable.

>>61676161
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>>61680207

She is talking actually with a trio of somewhat confused and weird-looking humans that just appeared from the webgate. As the guardians argue over something or other(She isn´t exactly paying attention, she has sneak pass her elders and decided to talk to them. Unknown to her, they are an Inquisition Cell formed with a Heretek, a Krieger-Terranis Derivation and a Temple Calixis Battle-Psyker, who must see a Farseer "NOW". Of course, she will jump to the opportunity of a little adventure and/or mayhem.

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>>61680473
Bonus points if it's Inquisitor Hand. The Inquisitor, because he finds her mewling both pitiable and amusing, offers to take her on as part of his retinue with a view to training her. His reasoning for doing so is that she's got enthusiasm even though it's currently channelled into being stupid, she's no more unfit than some of his other employees, she is free of deformity, doesn't seem actually stupid and her psychic abilities though unrefined aren't weak. She also hasn't been on any Path long enough to be moulded into any shape.

Parents say no, she rebelliously runs away anyway.

200+ years later she comes home. She's seen some shit. She follows no Path. She knows what it's like out past the edges of the map. She knows what soldiers, hunters, warriors, super-soldiers and goddamn psycos are and what the difference is. She's been shot, stabbed, poisoned and burned. She's fought deamons and orks and shit that doesn't even have names. She's met strange and interesting people and fucked and killed a lot of them and sometimes just had tea. She carries a Cattachan "big fukkin' knife" that was a gift from an ogryn that looks like a small sword and a Krieger pattern las-rifle at all times and she knows how to use themShe's Zaeed fuckkin' Massani in space elf form.

>>61676161

Ahhh... So cute.

>>61681485

Oh god no! For Isha! What happen to you!

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>>61681689
She did a great deal of living in a very short time and saw much of life, even if quite a bit of it was nearing the point of departure.

On the positive side now she genuinely can tell people about shit and absolutely has proven herself and often is the most dangerous fucker in the room, a fact many eldar find attractive which she turns to her advantage when she wants to take advantage.

Of course her stories don't win her friends in high society as they generally start somewhere along the lines of "So no shit, there we were...", "During this one shitshow of a mission...", "Once knew this fucker from...", "You ever tried to kill a..." and other such brilliant introductions. Add to this a gravelly voice due to inhaling some bootleg mustard gas and you have a creature both horrifying and oddly attractive.

Hand might have been her first master but she's served under a few Inquisitors. Her parents are proud of her.

>>61681835
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>>61681485
I really like this idea. Are there any named eldar left to adapt for this or are we going to have to steal a High Elf?

>>61676161
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She... wasn´t impressed. Seriously, this little shit was her new assignment? Fuck. Seriously. Fuck. She isn´t a babysitter. The little shit is somebody else problem. Somebody with a white padded room, a straitjacket and LOTS of hard drugs. This broken girl can barely do more than shit on herself. Groan... Now that she has taken some R&R and was eyeing that cute jailbait ass graduating to the Servant Path. They can´t do that to her. Shit. She was a fucking hero of the inquisition. Even her parents, blessed be, agree.

Looking over the dataslate, she observes the girl. More than dirty white hair with indescribable... things... mixed. The body wasn´t better, emaciated, full of scars and... let's be generous... uncleanliness. All this mix in a more than disturbing whole, that will make a Crone blush with envy. It seems that nobody has enough balls to try to clean the fucking walking disaster and have resigned themselves to throw her a blanket as his only clothes. Fuck. And she was her new job. Groan... This is getting better by the second.

"Fuck! Isha! We the fuck you do this to me!"

The change in the room was more than evident. The Stormtroopers get tense as the, until that moment, catatonic woman rises from her fetal position. She was tall and slim. Not as an Eldar but with the correct equipment... Forget that shit. Ok? Come on Eldar brain, time to work, no time for more speculation. The warp around the girl begin to.. Twist? Break apart? In her sensitive mind´s eye, the cry of thousands can be heard.

"Time to earn the pay!"

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(Cont)

She giggles as a punch with the strength to rip trough Astartes armor break the wraithbone behind her. A mask of fury and hate has appeared on the girl, that has decided at that time to kill her and probably any other Eldar that is in the vicinity. Fortunately for the lucky bastards, she was the focus of the little shit ire. Better to keep the focus in the dispensable one. After all, she can´t let then all the fun, isn´t? All that crap about "control your urges" and shit.

"Come on little shit! I heard that you can do better!"

The girl was a trained combatant, but in her current state, she doesn't have any technique, only loads and loads of warp-fueled fury and madness. Of course, when that gives you the capacity to ripe apart jetbikes with the hands and ignore pain, starvation, and fatigue, the technique is secondary... until you meet somebody that has fought fury incarnated in mind-rending/reality-warping monstrosities. Even with that, she must admit that the girl was insanely powerful. With the emphasis on insane.

The girl has been following her around the craftworld destroying everything in their path. But the orders of Hand were clear. Don´t kill her. So... she was playing catch with a crazy murder machine, as the stormtroopers shot tranquilizers at the broken girl-thing. They were slowly entering the final act, the little shit was beginning to slow-down and her punches "only" has the force to eviscerate passers-by. As they exchange ork´s kisses around a fountain, finally the girl kneel and begin to sob. Even with that, they need a dozen of shots to finally stop her.

>>61683365

(Cont)

That was... Whoah... Fucking awesome. She was wrong. This was going to be fun. Taking again the dataslate she begins to revise the available information. Let´s see... navigator father... Hm... best of her promotion... Hm... awesome score... I mean, really for a human... Hm... CENSORED... Hm... CENSORED... Hm... Ok, the typical inquisition crap. Looking down to the now tormented looking sleeping little shit, she smiles.

"This is going to fun Stern. Really, really fun."

>>61683065
I think she is called Lynnminwen, or something.

It's on 1d4chan.

>>61684020

What the fuck has i just see?

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>>61684119
What?

>>61684119
>>61684417

I wasn't expecting that setting! It just feel weird.

>>61684914
>young eldar singer, after sudden events in her life, abandon career and joins the Inquisition

That sounds even more exciting.

>>61685024
As the Paths sistem go, that is a totally feasible outcome.

bump

>>61684020
>>61684119
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>>61684417
I can't find it. I type it into the search bar and nothing, not even suggestions.

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>>61688211
What, exactly, are you trying to find?

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>>61688211
Brighthammer 1st Edition

>>61685024
Eldrad in canon used to be into music. He still plays improv moonlyre, which is kind of like the eldar version of acoustic guitar.

>>61683384
I like this. Needs some work to smooth out the point of view (a little difficult to figure out who is saying/thinking what), but it's pretty good.

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>>61679243
If they were synthesizing material out of one or more of Regulus' stars in a star forge how much would they have to take out? I remember something like either Jupiter could hold a stupid number of Earths or Sol could hold a stupid number of Jupiters, either way that's a lot to work with. But it's all hydrogen and helium.

How thick would the ring have to be? As thick as Earth or thinner? There would have to be some limit in order to keep atmosphere in and high energy radiation out.

ded

>>61685024
So we now have a name and the Path she was on when she was recruited. We also have this>>61683384
Which is awesome. What more do we need of her?

>>61691125
The Ring was made as a celebration of Earth as much as the Iron Minds boasting. It's why it's one Earth tall and has a 1G environment. It would probably be one Earth thick.

>>61689747
I can see Eldrad still playing the guitar, but not well. He travels around a lot and often as cheaply as possible so he's going to be needing something to do whilst camping out in the cargo hold.

>>61693554

Well, Lynn Minwen was a young and reckless troublemaker young Eldar in the Musician Path. There must be a transformation from her more or less innocent origins to a badass, badmouthing half-crazed bitch that is at a step from a DE(Pff. amateurs). She probably help Hand´s team sneak away to meet the Farseers, all the time thinking that is "fun". Afterwards the council(and parents) are not happy and want to sent her to the Imperial Guard early. She complains and puff, and go directly to Hand to ask him for work... And he accept(To horror of her parents). She is put in the same Inquisitorial Cell and is send to do crazy shit. She loss her innocence quickly, but like Taldeer, she feel that the Inquisiton is were she must be. She kill, fuck, do drugs and meet exotic new friends. Is not clear in what path she is currently, and looking at her behavior, maibe she has left the Path system. Most Eldar will think her crazy, and the younger generation somewhat as a counter-culture icon. She is basically the mirror Taldeer.

Bump

>>61693917
Which Craftworld would she be from? How old was she then and is now?

>>61693917
She would be apostate in terms of the Path. She is part of Eldar Imperial society but not in any way people would be encouraged to emulate. She isn't close to being a Dark Eldar, despite what her peers would claim, because although she is a hard fighting, hard fucking, hard drinking scoundrel she does a dangerous and often extremely unpleasant job for the good of her people. Dark Eldar are inherently selfish, she is prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the many. Her parents are proud of her for her accomplishments and her determination, though not for her behaviour socially.

>>61678324
>>61681485
>>61696675

Craftworld: Minwen?

Age: More than 230+

>>61697205
If we go for a named one I would suggest Féin-Cineál. In Vanilla is was very minor but home to the First Autarch. He was defeated via an unspecified treachery and, it being a small and unimportant place, just kind of fell apart without him and everyone went their own way.

In this AU after his unfortunate end the place still lingered on as a bit of a backwater among the craftworlds. Has somewhat of a proud military tradition and produces more Autarchs than it's small size would suggest, very few Exarchs. Only other thing it has is music. It's quite good at that. Not great but pretty good. It's one of those places that exist for people to come from rather than go to.

>>61683349
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>>61683384

Expanded:

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>>61696777
Honestly she's closer to various corsairs and eldar privateers. That, or despite her origins and attitude, close to whatever the Cadian enclaves count as, when you get eldar whose 'path' is one tied up in the more rauchhaus side of the Imperial service.
>>61697815
either here, or even one of the long established enclaves Féin-Cineál produced in the region when its people scattered after their leader's death.

>>61700098
Could be that Féin-Cineál does not anymore exist as a structure but as a sort of Craftworld-In-Exile. The origional physical structure of the ship was broken up and made into defensive platforms and patrol fleets of nearby Imperial worlds in exchange for right of cohabitation settlement. Féin-Cineál exists now as a group of close knit Enclaves with a common root who retain close ties.

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>>61698343
Big improvement on the dialogue. Having re-read it, I also really get the implication that this is someone who has been with an Inquisitorial retinue for some time and while she looks like a corsair has much more experience than it appears (case in point, baiting Stern when she goes nuts).

Ork’s kisses is a hilarious phrase.

Only two things I had questions about.

1) Craftworlds don’t force people to be on a particular path. It’s not like some council comes down and says “you’re going to be an Aspect Warrior, you’re going to be a healer, and so on”. It’s based on what calls to the individual. Eldar often switch paths because they feel bored or unsatisfied with their current job. Indeed, not doing that is seen as a mental illness (pathlost).

They would, however, feel a little uncomfortable about someone who acts more like a corsair or Dark Eldar, and might quasi-quarantine them in the hopes of getting their head screwed on straight, possible also to avoid a feedback loop. Eldar usually don’t like to let certain people into the Infinity Circuit for fear of “infecting” it with emotional feedback.

2) When you say Omega Hydras, are you talking about the Scion regiment? Omega Marines are not well known even to the Inquisition (hard to pull a false flag operation if your target knows they’re being conned).

Does this have a title?

>>61701579
I like the idea of a Craftworld that had to get scrapped and exists as a Craftworld-in-exile in several Enclaves across several worlds in a Sector.

And there is probably some interesting story to be told about how the Craftworld had to be scrapped. Nobody can make Craftworlds anymore (well, the Crones can, but nobody who can WANTS to), so anything that wiped out a Craftworld is a Big Deal (e.g., Kher-Ys, Anaen).

>>61701638
It's not that they can't so much as there isn't any point. Originally they were lifeboats for entire planets made by lashing together the biggest cargo and ferry ships that had captains who would listen and herding as many on as possible when shit started to get bad. But ultimately now they are big targets. It took generations of adding new bits to get them so big. Why build one big ship when you can build a thousand small ships and live in a house?

>>61701602

I called it Alpha Bitch.

1-What really is happening is that she is from their point of view, more than a litte weird and/or crazy(Same problem than Taldeer). The council are using the excuse of "some therapy" as a way to isolate it from the younger generation. She more or less is following this mostly to not cause problems.

2-Yep. Scions. From my point of view. Stern is in this moment Top Secret. Lynn know about them, mostly for her 200+ years tenure.

>>61701730
Interesting to compare the craftworlders to the interstellar nobility, the rogue traders, navigator houses, voidborn houses, and various aristocrats, diplomatic heralds, oligarchs, autocrats, bureaucrats, and other Survivor Civ bigwigs that also live the spacefaring life. The two broad groups have enough perspective to know how different they are, but to more system and planetbound parts of Imperial civilization they’re similarly ostentatious, highhanded, and connected.

>>61697205
She would have been 230ish when she came back home the first time. Depending on how long ago that was.

>>61698343
>https://mega.nz/#!OD5EzQDY!mii7u70bUELyVJREywRWV3hjY12XjmmMz4UxQzVxDvM
Pastebin is your friend.

>>61698343
Other than a few already mentioned mistakes is good

>>61701638
The story could be that it was not much more than a small fleet of pre-Fall barges and ferries strapped together out of convenience who would have gone their own way many years prior were it not for Autarch Achillrial being such a good leader and holding the whole thing together.

His death is unknown beyond "treachery". Maybe it was a succession crisis, maybe it was one of his friends killing him as an offering to prove he was ready to join the cenobites, maybe it was a jealous lover none can say. Possibly none know anymore and many people believe many things.

In truth, despite how the children of Féin-Cineál like to big it up, the craftworld was about the same size as a couple of large starforts which is huge but not at all whencompared to real craftworlds. The truth is that the Féin-Cineálan can prattle on about the wonders of ancient days and their glorious citadel among the stars all they want but sad reality was that it was scrapped for good reason. It was big enough to draw too much attention whilst being too small to be a real player and was built in a hurry with poor oversight so it wasn't as strong as it should have been and the whole thing was a vulnerability that would have gotten everyone killed eventually. Achillrial was overly sentimental in wanting to hold on to the clattering heap of questionable design choices as long as he did and sad as it may be his death was very much to the long term benefit of the Féin-Cineálan.

The Féin-Cineálan are now more diffused and therefore a harder target, have closer ties with the Imperium as a whole and the worlds they help defend in particular so they have more allies and there are simply now a lot more of them.

>>61707742
>>61710307

Ok, I will rewrite somethings, expand the combat to make it more clear and update to current background. I will put it in Pastebin in the next Thread. So...

Lynn Minwen

Craftworld: Féin-Cineálan enclave in an undetermined world

Age:30+ at the point of recruitment by Hand
230+ at the fight with CENSORED

Path: At 30 Musician, currently unknown

Background: Young and reckless Eldar that have grown in a mostly secure sector. After too many screws, she is sent to the IG. Rebel and ask for work to Inquisitor Hand. Do a lot of crazy shit. Return to home after 200+ years. Parents can´t be happier (Well, is she behave a little better...).

>>61665571
He probably thought it was a great prize, turned out to be stuff he already knew or knew to be wrong. Salty Be'lakor had buyers remorse.

>>61712097
Current path is Apostate. It is known that she is pathless.

>>61711610
Sounds good

>>61713405
well he thought it was being sold dirt cheap too, he didn't realize the babbling and disheveled Men of Stone he was doing business with were meat puppets being jerked around by an Iron Mind, with minds and souls hollowed out and replaced with psychic spyware and scanning equipment that appeared to be brain augmentations. It wasn't until the quaint little fanatic cyborgs were listening to his story in rapt attention and gazing long into his eye that he finally worked out the chain of decoys and proxies a much more meaningful circle of Iron Minds were reaching out through to watch him in the most minute detail. Their sensors, and the Stone Men bearing them, were lost in Be'lakor's fury, but between their structural and psychic scans and what they had coaxed from Be'lakor unawares they had the means to re-engineer the third eye. Rather than the massive feat of translating a warp entity's physiology back into a biological structure unassisted, the Iron Minds might have had a pre-ascention Old One sample from which to work, but immense difficulty isolating the eye and preserving its functionality. They tricked Be'lakor and observed him to learn from his functional example, using that knowledge to illuminate their reading of the Old Ones' genetics.

>>61717087
Artificial Intelligence would have been in it's infancy compared to what it would be like at the point the first navigators were bred. There would have been early Men of Iron, this would have been their work. Iron Minds were a long way off yet.

>>61717087
>>61718085
So in that case an alternative might be early Dark Age humanity ''''found'''' some pre-ascension Old One DNA thanks to everyone's favorite bird-octopus and after noticing splicing it into rats made them able to percieve the Warp engineered a group of humans to do the same. Because humans never jump ahead of themselves without considering the consequences first, right?

It's also possible that the Iron Minds tried to improve the Navigators and then >>61717087
happened.

The lack of Iron Minds is a good point for Warp travel too. With their ridiculous computing power and presence of souls the Iron Minds should in theory have been able to navigate their warp (and sort of did with their astrally projected trawling ships). But if that were true Navigators would never have been a thing. So clearly Navigators had to come first (which fits with canon lore). There might have been other options later in the Dark Age of technology (and I believe canon mentions there were), but Navigators were considered the oldest and most reliable in many ways.

Plus the physical forms of most Iron Minds appear to be building-sized complexes. If you're trying to fit one of those on a ship you are doing something wrong.

Either way Be'lakor doesn't think too highly of humanity. He considers us a species of scavengers, grave robbers, and ghouls, splicing together abominations by combining the rudiments of what we learned from Old One DNA stolen from corpses and Necrontyr necrodermis. The hypocrisy in saying this when the Old Ones stuck their nose in EVERYONE's business and most species' genetic code is palpable, but hypocrisy is a core feature of Be'lakor's personality.

>>61719041
Seconded on the Iron Minds coming back and using knowledge stolen from Be'lakor to improve the Navigators after the fact. Actually, studying Be'lakor's Old One warp senses and working them into a human-biological medium might have been a practice attempt and proof of concept for the FTL communication and surveillance system that was going to become part of the Men of Gold.

>>61712097
What part of the galaxy should the Féin-Cineálan Enclaves be in?

>>61721084
Maybe not Segmentum Ultima, we have a lot going on there (Tarellians, Ultramar, Hubworld, Charadon, Rynn's World, Tau and related species). Same with northwestern Pacificus (Interex, Kinebrach, Blood Pact, Severan Dominate, Q'orl). How about Segmentum Tempestus? All we have there is Tallarn, Biel-Tan, and Carlos McConnell so far. I'm not sure if we moved Gidrim there or to the western part of Ultima.

Bump for incoming writefaggotry

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The Warp was not always a place of horror and insanity. Once, in the days before the War in Heaven, the Immaterium was inhabited by all manner of natural creatures, both terrifying and wonderful. True, many of these creatures were not safe, in the same way that being around a large predator or other such untamed megafauna is never truly “safe”, but neither were they all malicious. Even after the War in Heaven, as the Ruinous Powers began to set up their own domain, the Warp was still inhabited by many creatures that pledged no allegiance to chaos, such as the Enslavers, the Psychneuin, and the Medusae.

In their natural state, Medusae resemble nothing more than floating, armored brains, their grooved sulci covered in ridges of chitin and with a huge, singular eye with a distinctive dumbbell-shaped pupil at their front. Extending from around the periphery of the brain are numerous tendrils, resembling exposed nerve endings except with the myelin sheath covered by segments of bone and a singular or series of clawed spikes at the end. Despite this disorienting appearance, Medusae are normally “herbivores” of the Warp, lazily floating from place to place using their brain tendrils as they passively feed off the psychic energy emitted by sentient lifeforms into the Warp as they dream, akin to aquatic filter-feeders.

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>>61727091
Due to the increasing rise to prominence of Chaos, the Medusae gradually came to the conclusion that the best option available to them was to leave the Immaterium for realspace. However, much like daemons and other creatures of the Warp, in order to inhabit the Materium the Medusae need a host. Unlike daemons, however, Medusae do not simply possess their victims. Instead, they consume the head of their victim and place their own head on top of the decapitated body, the act of consumption merging the two together to create a new organism, a hybrid of material and immaterial. However, calling such a relationship a symbiosis is an overstatement, there is no evidence of any part of the host’s mind surviving the process aside from any memories the Medusa picks up. Indeed, it is believed in their natural state Medusae are not even fully sapient, but exist in a constant dream-like trance, only gaining clarity when they merge with a living being.

Once the two organisms have joined the Medusa no longer needs to consume living beings to survive, instead feeding on the ambient psychic energy of the dreams and nightmares from those around them. If threatened, they are capable of discharging this energy as an empathic blast accompanied by a riot of pink-purple warp light to any poor soul who meets their gaze, a defense mechanism from their days as passive filter feeders that still serves them well. Such a glance from the psychic nova of their eye is enough to cause most sapient species to have a seizure or go into a comatose state. In the worst case scenario the target bleeds to death, blood hemmoraghing from every orifice due to the sheer neurological overload of the sensory organs causing capillaries to rupture.

>>61727142
After fusing the Medusa’s tendrils, which once served as their sole means of locomotion, droop around them like a series of bony dreadlocks, which combined with the heavy, hooded clothes they prefer to wear gives them a witch or hag-like appearance. These tendrils are still strong and fully prehensile, allowing the Medusa to use them like mechadendrites or to tear apart any aggressor in combat. However, the tendrils of a Meduasa have another function than combat or dexterity. As a Medusa feeds, the tendrils grow and elongate until eventually the claw falls off and a rounded, corrugated brain fruit grows in its place. If left alone, this brain fruit continues to grow until eventually it pops off and forms a new Medusa. However, if plucked early it can be consumed and allows one to re-experience all of the sensation experienced by the Medusa while the brain fruit gestated. Medusae brain fruits are considered quite the delicacy in Commorragh as well as the twisted courts of the Crone Eldar, allowing one to relive the anarchy of a favored raid or stave off the probing of She Who Thirsts. Attempts by humans (typically slaves or Rogue Traders) or other groups of eldar (typically corsairs) to eat brain fruit often results in a stroke or a coma from neurologic overload. According to the Dark Eldar, it’s an acquired taste.

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>>61727190
As the Warp became progressively hostile to all forms of non-Chaos associated life, the Medusae increasingly found themselves forced into the one part of the galaxy that was connected to the Immaterium yet out of the hands of the Chaos Gods: the Eldar Webway. Unfortunately, this made the Medusae increasingly vulnerable to one of the dominant powers of the Webway, the Dark Eldar of Commorragh. Today, the largest population of Medusae live as an underclass within the xenos district of Null City within Lower Commorragh. They have nowhere else they can go. They cannot return to the Warp, for that is where the predators lie and they cannot survive there. They cannot hide in the Webway, as they would easily be hunted down by the Kabals and it is paradoxically easier to hide in plain sight within the bustling throngs of Commorragh. They cannot escape into realspace, as most groups would try to kill them on sight. They try to keep a low profile, as the Archons of Dark Eldar Kabals are always interested in capturing Medusae to use as walking weapons or sources of brain fruit to use and sell, covering the heads of the Medusae covered with metal masks so their captors can avoid being blasted with their psychic power.

>>61727210
The Medusae, in all honesty, just want to be allowed to live. They take no joy in consuming their victims, but neither do they feel guilt over having to do so to survive. Medusae are capable of forming emotional attachments with individuals after they merge, but they seem unable to or unwilling to make the connection that the very act of completing their life cycle could potentially put their associates in danger. At most, Medusae have been known to chase unbonded Medusae away from individuals that they value. Although their need for hosts could easily be satisfied by vat-growing, the Dark Eldar have no interest in helping them and the Imperium is either unaware or uncaring to their plight. Despite being mostly harmless after finding a host, the fact that they need a mortal body to communicate along with numerous poor first encounters where voidsmen have been attacked by unbonded Medusae, the Imperium has declared them Xenos Horribilis. Unfortunately, few Medusae escaped the Dark City after the Exodus from the Dark Wedding. As an underclass, they did not possess the access to the Webway portals that may have potentially granted the race their freedom and potentially even struck them from the Xenos Horribilis list. Those few that did are often found in the retinue of Rogue Traders, the few individuals who could grant them protection.

>>61727347
Author's Notes time
The Medusae are one of those species for whom their purpose seems to be for the universe to shit on them all the time. They’re like baku. They like to feed on nightmares, which has the side effect of calming the dreamer and easing their suffering. They don’t like being forced to watch hideous torment over and over for the production of brain fruit, which to them is kind of like making foie gras.

The fact that the Medusae have loved ones, but only care about the members of their social circle are kind of like how vampires behave in urban fantasy. Valueing people socially but not wanting or not able to admit that they need to kill people to survive. Indeed, every Medusa by definition has killed someone to come into the world. It may be that the Medusae are psychologically unable to make the connection, focused on survival first then social needs.

Ironically, the Imperium could easily induct the Medusae as a member race by providing them with vat-grown bodies, which would work just as well for their purposes (the Medusae need bodies, not minds), and then vacuum up the remainder of the unbonded. Unfortunately due to difficulties in communication (Medusae needing a host to communicate in the first place) and first encounters going badly they're on the List. It's possible the idea of simply asking for bodies never occurred to them. Life is suffering for the Medusae.

And if you think they sound too nice for something from the Warp, keep in mind these parasitic entities which take over people’s bodies and induce emotional hemmoraging just by looking at them are basically the Warp’s equivalent of anchovies.

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bump, need to read this

>>61727447
I like it. It's sad and horrible at the same time.

>>61727447
The most disturbing implication of all this is that this is the origin of the Enslavers. In much the same way that the orks were made from the harmless proto-orks Enslavers are a cultivated offshoot of the Medusae. The eldar are the only ones who would know this and of the few that do none would admit it as all, bar maybe the Harlequins, see themselves as heirs to the Old Ones and nobody want's to inherit that.

>>61711610
I'd have the murder of Achillrial, First of the Autarchs, be a victory for the Chaos Eldar. His friend (and maybe lover) was converted to the worship of Slaanesh and tried to convert Achillrial to the worship of her new god/dess so that they could live in endless bliss together forever. She pointed out that the Eldar Empire hadn't fallen, even now a vast and busteling metropolis still flourishes on their old homeworld and now a worthy being has taken the throne of the old Archons. They fled into this horrible exile because they didn't know the rapture and the ecstasy they were running from and saw only the birthing pains of something great and wonderful. But those pains are over now and something wonderful is in it's place. We can go home now.

He sees through the quite obvious bullshit having seen first hand the depravities and madness of those that embraced the new deity. His love and lover was a musician, an artist and a poet and seldom left the craftworld but to find inspiration. She hadn't seen what he had seen. Achillrial had. He had absolutely seen and it fucking haunted him every night. He had faced eldar that had embraced that madness, recognizing old friends and even kin and cutting them down without passion for what they had become.

The Betrayer at his rejection flies into a rage and cuts him down, even going so far as to break his soul stone, and flees Féin-Cineálan before anyone knows what has happened. Her name was erased from The Living Cornicle. Féin-Cineálan can't decide on a new leader and breaks apart literally, though the Féin-Cineálan Enclaves retain close ties.

>>61730753

That can be the reason Lynn flee her home. She is a young and inexperienced musician, she dosn´t really understand the real world. Most older Eldar will try to tie her short because she resemble to much "The Betrayer". The fact that she is a troublemaker only add fuel. At the end they send her to the IG.

>>61730996
She didn't flee, she ran away for excitement and adventure and because she though she knew better.

>>61731634
>>61730996
>>61730753

Ok. Something like this. Lynn is basically a rebel without a cause. She has been born and grow in a sector without(Mostly) war. All her elders are war veterans. She is opinionated in her beliefs but without the world, experience to really understand them. She is your archetypical troublemaker teen. That she choose the Musician Path only add fuel to her problems as the rest of the enclave find her to similar to "The Betrayer". The last screw was passing over all security protocols when she helps an inquisition cell meet the Farseer. After this, the council has enough. They want to send her to the IG. She doesn't want to change Path and the IG seems more like they want to get rid of her. So she runs away to the Inquisitor Hand. For her is the perfect solution. She doesn't need to change path, can live however she wants and they will pay just to look for adventure.

>>61713990
In all fairness the Harlequins, Discipled of Kurnous, Disciples of Isha and Exodites are also outside the Path system. It's just that they have socially acceptable lifestyles that the Craftworlders usually approve of. Lynn Minwen does not.

>>61723284
Segmentum Pacifica? What's in that?

>>61733377
I would argue they do consider the Harlequins, Isha priestesses/Handmaidens, and Disciples of Kurnous to be paths. Harlequins are basically priests of the king clown. Same with the priestesses/Handmaidens and Kurnous, though Kurnous is dead and it's more of an order holding onto his memory. Much like how Aspect Warriors are seen as priests of Khaine.

Handmaidens are even like exarchs in that they are mostly stuck on the Path once they start, but only the really obsessive types get picked anyway. Not sure about Harlequins, Leithon has been known to leave the Harlequins, but that could have been intentionaly as part of Cegorach's big plan much like him dipping his fingers in the fate of Ahriman, the Apex twins, Yvraine, and a lot of the other ragtag misfits of the galaxy.

>>61732527
Making things worse is this is what exactly happened to Kher-Ys (daemon masquerades as lover; daemons attack craftworld, take "lover" hostage, and force child of one of the elders to lower the defenses in exchange for their return; lover turns out to be Keeper of Secrets, now everything is daemons). So they'd be understandably paranoid.

>>61730753
I like this. I also like the implication of the Betrayers name being erased from history.

>>61730226
I would argue maybe not have a link between the Medusae and the Enslavers. We did say the Old Ones messed with the Enslavers, but we might be getting too many links between species and don't want to get into "everything is Old Ones".

The motus operandi is also a little different. Medusae want a host, Enslavers open triangular Warp Gates out of the bodies of psykers to let more Enslavers through, implying they are either halfway between material or immaterial and can cross the veil naturally without worrying about being banished, or worse they use the flesh of the hosts to gestate bodies and be "birthed" into reality, something daemons cannot accomplish.

>>61734683
Interex, Kinebrach, Colchis, Q'orl (kind of, they're on the border just south of the Eye), favored location of Blood Pact (maybe, they might be over the border in Obscurus), Severan Dominate, and Tanith. No clue where new Tanith is though.

>>61734825
Oh, and Maynarch Dynasty.

>>61734806
I was thinking that the Féin-Cineálani keep a Living Chronicle of their Society, every child born, every marriage, every funeral, every immigration and emigration, every change in path and other such important decision in the lives of the citizens as well big political decisions. Crimes and tragedies also get recorded. To have fucked up so far as to be removed from official history is UNTHINKABLE and a so far singular occurrence.

>>61734806
I'd say the Medusae and Enslavers are related warp organisms, but not connected in any plot sense.

Unconnected to that, I'm actually kinda down for the pre-War in Heaven period to be "everything is Old Ones". We've noted that the time it would take for the psychic evidence in warp storms and cosmic tumult make a case for the Old Ones having ruled for nearly as long as they've been gone from the galaxy, and with their interest in meddling I think there would be little in that era that went without their influence. On a thematic level it seems really fitting that much like Cadia, or Octarius, the whole galaxy is an environment hardened and raised to horrible extremes by wars of the past of such a massive scale that the natural state of life has been shifted and even degraded. There's a sense of Galactic history, with mutated, nearly untraceably roundabout cultural and biological legacies battling over millions of years. There is something lost if everything in the current setting actually stems back to some wretched historical context, but that elevated tragedy of massive scale is perfect for the setting.

Actually, the idea of tragedy seems like the best way to work more of the Nobledark into the Nobledark setting, better than trying to go halfway to grimdark.

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Recalling recent threads, I'd really love to play in a campaign around covert ops between Cadian Colonies, the Severan Dominate, and the Blood Pact.

Speaking of, do we have any more details or ideas about Blood Pact Chaos worship? It seems like it would be a literal example of organized and regimented chaos, and seeing as its both Khornate leaning and contradictory, might have some place for Malal as Khorne's vizier. Essentially Malal could be the example by which theological problems are solved; if any other god's faith gets uppity to the Khornates, they're reminded of Malal, thrall and thane of Khorne.

>>61736003
Bloodpact are all Khornate, if they don't worship Khorne they get used as a training dummy. You can worship other gods on the side if you want but if ever you have to choose then you better remember where your loyalties lie. Doombreed in life worshipped all the gods but it was Khorne that resurrected him and elevated him to deamonhood.

>>61736003
The Blood Pact in canon was ruled by a guy named Urlock Gaur. Unless we want to make Doombreed’s real name Gaur, I would venture that Gaur was Doombreed’s right hand and one of his most enthusiastic converts, and Doombreed named the highest rank in the military (comparable to commander or something) after he died. There is also a rank “Etogaur” in canon, which is one step below Gaur, who are like generals or liutenants.

>Essentially Malal could be the example by which theological problems are solved; if any other god's faith gets uppity to the Khornates, they're reminded of Malal, thrall and thane of Khorne.

Ironically there are a perfect example of Malal followers in canon in the Sons of Sek, who are a splinter group from the Blood Pact in canon looking to topple them.

>>61736823
Pretty much. Blood Pact theology is basically how Khorne views the world. Khorne is top dog, the other three and Malal are his bitches (even if they don't know it yet), and the rest, aside from maybe a few of the other gods, are waaaay at the bottom.

>>61736920
I'd have Urlock Gaur be one of the old.monsters he keeps resurrecting time after time. The origional incarnation of Urlock Gaur was a horrendous war criminal of Old Earth who had a thing for flaying people who annoyed him, served the Last Despot of Ursh loyally until an IED flipped his APC during Corax's rebellion. Urlock Gaur survived the initial attack but was chased down by unhappy former slaves and buried in a shallow and unmarked grave. Magnus remembers him as he served under the Last Despots uncle as well and he was pretty sure it was him that was leading the chase that drove him into the Forbidden Mountains.

Only people left now who know Doombreeds name are Oscar, Doombreed, Urlock Gaur and maybe a few Grey Knight historians. Doombreed and friends don't want it know as it could be a vulnerat, the others don't want it in circulation because it can be used to summon him and get the Bloodpact foundings more frequent.

bamp

>>61734825
>>61734825
Colchis is probably the most comfy seeming planet in this AU. The sleepy agri-world idyll of Valhalla is a close second.

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>>61741048
Ironic for it being so close to the Eye. Probably gets avoided for the same reason the Dominate avoids the worst of it, the Crones want to go south and southeast towards Old Earth rather than southwest, so they get the leftovers.

Even stranger given that it has a Middle Eastern/Mediterranean climate, which is not the climate one thinks of when you think of elves and sleepy backwaters.

>>61735888
The pre-War in Heaven period is definitely “everything is Old Ones”, though. They were the undisputed rulers of the galaxy until the Necrontyr came along and they treated the entire galaxy, materium and immaterium alike like their personal garden/petrie dish. The reason something like the tyranids never swept through the galaxy sooner is the psychic lizard wizards would smack any magnetic interbranal monsters or extragalactic bug-dinosaurs on the nose with the psychic newspaper until they went away.

Indeed, that was part of the reason it was suggested the Old Ones had a hand in the Necrontyr becoming the way they were. There’s no way they would have ignored a race to the point it got that advanced otherwise. The Old Ones seem to be a cross between the Slann, Halo Forerunners, Medic from Team Fortress 2, and Q Continuum or whatever sufficiently advanced alien floats your boat from Star Trek.

I was more saying that having one species come from the other kind of makes the Warp seem small, especially since Enslavers are the architypical "not-a-daemon". Having starfaring organisms be connected makes sense given that space travel is always going to be a hurdle, but the Immaterium is supposed to be huge and weird. Indeed, one could argue the reason for the suspicious number of habitable planets and cross-compatible biochemistries is due to certain amphibians (along with everyone who came after, starting with the eldar and ending with Dark Age humanity).

I do agree that tragedy is very nobledark.

>>61739010
I like this.

Riastrad and Alpha Bitch are up on the wiki. Should the Medusae go under Dark Eldar or miscellaneous Xenos, since the biggest population are the underclass/slaves in the Commorragh and in canon they are considered a Dark Eldar unit?

Will try to go through and round up what else I can. What else is written up in final form as opposed to Notes style in the last few threads?

Féin-Cineálan, Lynn, and Gaur seem like they could go up if the stuff in the threads gets put together and expanded on a little.

Also would like to mention I could really use some help getting things on the Notes page and things on the Notes page into wiki format. Having trouble keeping up with everything and IRL has continued to be pretty busy, so I'm not able to synthesize things on the Notes page as easily as I used to. Going to try to hammer a slightly tweaked for style version of the Mon-Keigh out to get that off.

How about this for the Blood Pact ranks, it is basically a writeup of what was suggested here along with some bits from the novels in canon.

https://pastebin.com/uuSZATUy

>>61743991
I like it

>>61743431
If I get chance I'm going to do a proper write-up for Lynn tonight and, if it isn't shit, put it in notable people section.

>>61739010
Urlock Gaur would have to be/have been a close friend of The Last Despot, possibly an uncle or father figure, as The Last Despot typically mutilated people as an example to others if they failed him. Urlock Gaur didn't come back with Magnus so his continued life after that point was an extreme and possibly unprecedented act of generosity on Doombreed's part. Urlock Gaur was maybe the one who raised Doombreed as the uncle Magnus burned alive would have had most of his time taken up by ruling the biggest nation on the planet as well as being some sort of high priest. Urlock Gaur's resurrection is a considerable investment as Doombreed is made out of warp power given by Khorne and it isn't infinite. To resurrect and keep Urlock Gaur alive as a deamon he has to sacrifice a piece of his own essence.

Chronicles of Féin-Cineálan

Omega Girl
https://pastebin.com/1rPe3Nbi

>>61746794
It's very good and captures the "not super bright teenage rebelliousness" perfectly but I have to ask; is English your first language?

>>61747583

Nope, and I need to clean it more. I m going to post a new version in the next threat together with Alfa Bitch.

How much control and knowledge does the Silent King have over his underlings?

>>61749154
In theory he has complete control, the Silent King gives an order and the Necrons half to obey, no ifs, ands, or buts. The Silent king's orders even supersede any previous directives that have been given.

In practice, the programming of the Necron lords is riddled with glitches that cropped up after 65 million years and stasis. These glitches manifest as all sorts of weird compulsions and quirks (e.g., Imotekh's dueling obsession) and such, and are bad enough that they can potentially interfere with the Silent King's control. The Necron's are capable of getting around the Silent King's orders through use of loopholes and exact words, usually to satisfy these compulsions.

The Silent King can order his underlings to do something directly, but the more he tries to force them to go against their quirks the worse they rebel. He could take a melon baller to their head but that isn't worth it half the time. So he tends to put assets where their quirks do the least damage. It's like what was said in the last Dresden Files novel about geasses, you can give someone vague orders and let them do it their way and get results, or you can force them to do it your way and they'll intentionally do a half-assed job and you'll potentially lose.

The Necrons are also capable of acting independently if they think it's in the Silent King's own interests. Case in point Zu'se whole-heartedly thought the Silent King would like this idea because "isn't this great we don't need the biotransference anymore this solves so many problems". He didn't realize how much the Silent King had emotionally invested in the idea.

>>61749845
Also it's a very top down command structure based on the legal procedures of the Necrontyr Star Empire. Silent King gives the orders for something to be done to his direct subordinates, they pass it on down to theirs and so on. The Silent King can't jump a link in the chain and ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL of someone beneath his direct subordinates. If he could then Nemesor Zahndrekh wouldn't be the problem he is now.

>>61750261

No, that's why the Nemessor's court loves him so much. Zandrekh is just so broken and insane, even before the bio-transference (said to significize the carrot to his rival Imotekh's stick, not that he was at all any slouch in war either) that the orders just bounces off his head, and would require a direct intervention, also from Imotekh. Who suffered an unfortunate accident dueling with Oberyn.

>>61746794
It looks very good, she comes across as a headstrong scoundrel.

>>61745998
This would probably make Urlock Gaur one of the only people in the Bloodpact who can tell Doombreed that what he's doing is stupid and survive.

>>61742147
Colchis has lot's of land that is perfectly good for growing grapes and other sun loving fruits. I can imagine that they have an extensive global irrigation system to make the most of what water they have, augmented by harvesting space ice. There is no reason for the planet not to be verdant and prosperous. Especially with the eldar population nudging things in the direction of jolly cooperation for untold generations, advancing them from the iron age to the space age in a few short centuries and teaching them as much as they could out of gratitude. The eldar might not have wanted to ever rule Colchis but they absolutely did want to be comfy and their new human friends can be comfy as well.

Bampan

>>61750261
>>61750599
Zahndrekh wasn't crazy before the Great Sleep. It's just that th damage has turned bombastic and noblesse oblige has degenerated into delusional. He was likee by his subjects but he still had to deal with assassins and court shenanigans even from those who liked him because Necrontyr society is full of Starscreams and Zahndrekh looked soft at first glance. Now no one dares touch him because crazy but benign Zahndrekh is leagues better than Szarekh. Basically...

Pre-Great Sleep -> Modern Major General + Julius Caesar bro-ing it up with pirates (you know what I mean)
Post-Great Sleep -> add in Don Quijote IN SPESS

Same thing with Xun'bakyr. Unlike Zahndrekh she was crazy already, but the solar flares did her no favors. She was so deranged when Szarekh tried calling her Xun'bakyr literally hung up on him and ignored him.

The logic Zahndrekh follows to ignore orders is as follows. The Silent King is giving me orders. Only a robot obeys in the manner he wants. I am not a robot, I am flesh and blood. Therefore I do not have to obey.

It does seem the Silent King doesn't know what everyone is up to at all times. Or at the least if he can't sense them directly he sends someone to find out why.

>>61746794
Looks pretty good

>>61757033

But say, what does his rival Imotekh thinks of him now? I remember the guy got thrashed by Zandry's butler, right?

>>61757033
He also doesn't believe that the Silent King is the Silent King due to rose titned vision of the past. He remembers the Silent King and the Necron Star Empire as being a lot more benevolent than they in fact were. To that end this thing committing these atrocities and acting like a monster can't be the real Silent King.

>>61760715
Obyron is his bodyguard and oldest friend and one of the most dangerous combatants in the galaxy. The fight cost him getting a new arm.

>>61670367
Besides the Royal Couple who knows about the Omega Legion?

>>61762323
Very few. The High Lords probably do but only because they've figured out what's going on rather than because anyone has told them. The actual movers and shakers rather than employees of the other secret societies will do because that's their thing. Maybe some of high ups, the old and the extremely paranoid tinfoil hatters of the Inquisition might know or know something similar.

The Omega Legion aren't a clandestine government organization like the Alpha Legion. Alpha Legion have a manned but unmarked office in the spire of the Imperial Palace for example and have a budget they can dip into as needed. Omega Legion just do things and are self funding.

>>61761533

Yea, I knew that but what I'm asking is what does Imotekh think about losing to a street gutter like Oberyn and seeing his oldest rival reduced to literally Spess Caligula?

>>61763439
On both accounts S_E_E_T_H_I_N_G

Oberyn is a worthless piece of shit who only got where he is today because the Necrontyr Star Empire legal officials millions of years ago forgot to amend a law everyone had more or less ignored for generations. The disgraceful, unsophisticated, uncultured gutter snipe that is Oberyn should never have been in a position to challenge him and who whole affair is ludicrous. The only reason abides by the results of the duel rather than glassing the planet from orbit until the entire crust goes molten is because he is a BETTER MAN who has STANDARDS.

Nemesor Zandrekh was a backwards hillbilly little lordling or some provincial nowhere place out in the sticks whose title was almost little more than an honorific and was an embarrassment whenever he had to visit the Triarchy on state occasions. And now he's a senile traitor who debases the majesty and dignity of the entire Necron species by his association, actions and beliefs and so must be hated above all other renegades. And it's totally not because for all that the Nemesor is free and has actual real friends and it absolutely is not because he constantly makes the other Necrons look bad by being a better person despite being delusional.

>>61763891

Haters gonna hate

>>61735703
Keeping the Chronicles consistent between the Enclaves could be one of the big reasons that they stay together as a unified cultural and social identity. Everyone who is in the Chronicle is of Féin-Cineálani, even the colossal fuck ups.

>>61735703
>>61765345
>>61730753
>>61711610

This can be added to differentiate their character from other craftworlds. Like Alaitoc, they are one of the more regimented craftworlds. But this it's due more from paranoia that to attachment to the "Eldars Ideals", They simply have less confidence in their fellow people that in the Humans. Their enclaves are normally integrated into human cities, but this areas are invariably highly fortified and rarely interact with their fellow citizen. That in itself is not that rare until you notice that these areas are more akin to police states, with guardians in every corner and security cameras pointed "Inwards". Their adhesion to the Path System seems ultra-orthodox and the number of Pathloss is disproportionately high to her small population.

>>61763891

*tag spoiler* and ABSOLUTELY NOT because of his jazzy pimp-mobile. It's pink, for the King's sake! Any real Necron knows it is Green for Life!

>>61765739
I have them be strict rather than regimented as a legacy of the huge impact The Betreyer had on their culture. Their rules are not many compared to Alaitoc but they are adhered to and even minor transgressions are harshly discouraged. But ultimately it is out of love. Family is everything to the Féin-Cineálani, the good and the bad of it. It is typically the duty of the senior patriarch or matriarch to perform executions for example and no parent wants that, hence the constant emphasis put on proper adherence to law.

Féin-Cineálan produces a lot of outcasts for it's size but unlike Alaitoc damn near all of them that are able come back home. Féin-Cineálan isn't hard out of spite or resentment, it's hard out of love and when the wandering feet grow weary and it's time to put down roots there are fewer places better to do so.

>>61766844
Also the senile old bastard gets to go big game hunting and have fun.

Was going to add a blurb on the suggestion for the Shield of Baal campaign several threads ago, but I couldn't find it. Does anyone remember what thread it was in and does this sound like a good summary for the Notes page?

"The Shield of Baal campaign happened when Zarathusa, Overlord of the planet Cryptus, awoke from stasis seemingly insane and unresponsive to the Silent King’s commands and threatened to use the Starflame, Cryptus’ planet-spanning solar array, as a weapon of mass destruction to devastate nearby planets. Chapter Master Dante of the Blood Angels and Anrakyr the Traveller of the Necron Star Empire teamed up to bring him down, but the Imperial settlements in the area got torched.
The whole affair was a PR stunt for the Silent King. He got the Imperium to help him deal with a threat to his power, recaptured the solar array for the Star Empire’s use, and made himself out to look like a sane and reasonable individual to help him win sympathy points with the Imperium. Indeed, it’s even possible Zarathusa’s threat was primarily directed at Szarekh, telling him to leave Cryptus alone or else. Win-win, as far as he is concerned."

>>61767597
Have we decided anything about Baal in this AU?

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>>61769474
Started out as an uninhabited rockball with no atmosphere and not people on it. When the Blood Angels finally decided to find a place to settle down after Sangy's death they picked it because it wouldn't require displacing any native population. They still got recruitment in droves, especially from the surrounding planets, because Sanguinius has the most illustrious reputation among the primarchs by far. They named it Baal to show that despite being split into Flesh Tearers, Angels Encarmine, etc., they were still all sons of Sanguinius (as in, Sanguinius Baal) and therefore family.

Baal was turned into a giant space station, and eventually built up quite a bit of a local population due to its nature. It used to be really nice and serene.

Ka'bandha is still salty over Sanguinius besting him at Eternity Gate, and since he can't get his hands on the Martyr Angel has decided to take it out on his sons. He's attacked Baal a few times but has been driven off (occasionally with the Sanguinor's help).

Eventually Ka'bandha decided he wasn't going to do this half-assed, if he was going to crush Baal he needed to build up his forces and do it right this time. It would have been glorious.

I say would have, because right about the time of the 12 Black Crusade Szarekh sent an expeditionary force to wipe out Baal on the reason he didn't like having Astartes on his doorstep. Ka'bandha's basically went "Wait I called dibs you fucking killstealers!", dumped a token amount of forces on Baal to bother the Blood Angels, and then took the rest of his army and trashed the Necrons. Which was really lucky for the Blood Angels, because either force could have easily wiped them out. Even the chunk Ka'bandha left on Baal was enough to wreck most of the place and leave it infested with mutants and led the Blood Angels to call for a Reformation of the Legion (which the Lamenters missed due to severe manpower issues).

It took years to get Baal "sort of" nice again.

>>61770471
If I may make a suggestion;
I would have it where Baal did have an atmosphere and considerable evidence that it was inhabited up until as recently as the mid point of the Great Crusade but like Chogoris without intervention things did not go so well.

Mutation, some "natural" and some as unholy blessings, ran rampant and without a champion to unite the pure human tribes they went extinct. Only mutants remained, half insane and often damned beyond hope of redemption growing more degenerated by every generation. Eventually groups diverge into separate species but without the numbers to be sustainable and without the ability to interbreed they wither away a few centuries later from inbreeding and isolation. At least those that don't die to violence as each tribe now operating on animal instincts rather than man's reasoning no longer see each other as "us". This even extending in some cases to the individual level as beasts that were once men slaughter their own kin and kind. Undoubtedly the gods found it all at least slightly amusing.

By the time the Blood Angels land the first of their ships the last of the previous Baalites were long since sun bleached bones telling one more cautionary tale.

>>61696675
Less than 500. Young enough for her people to still see her as young

I was thinking a bit more on expanding the Battle of the Fang. In canon one of the big moments of the Battle of the Fang along the Great Wolf’s duel and Magnus getting stabbed in the eye was Magnus phasing his hands inside someone and ripping their hearts out in one go. I was thinking of a variant of that since Magnus is fighting alongside the Wolves and Canis Helix soldiers have only one heart.

As Skyrar is planning his attack on Fenris, for his trump card he decides summons this big, arrogant daemon/daemon prince (likely a Slaaneshi daemon) that the Space Wolves under Bjorn defeated in the past, and binds it to a mortal body to make a daemonhost.

We've said Skyrar is kind of like Curze in despite being aligned against the Imperium and often joins in Black Crusades for the chance to pillage and burn, he doesn't officially (though there is always ambient corruptipn which is why he increasingly looks like a werewolf in space). Luther does, because after 10k years of living in the Eye his motivations have slipped and he has become resigned to his situation, but not Skyrar. He is, however, willing to use the denizens of the Empyrean to his advantage, given he opened Warp rifts all over Fenris and planned for daemons to do half the job for him.

Skyrar is also getting a little bit desperate because he can ill-afford to take losses as much as the Space Wolves can, so he's willing to push some boundaries. He summons the daemon and doesn’t so much beseech it as offer it a deal.

>>61775876
“I want you to listen very closely. I am not going to bow down and kiss yer bloody daemon arse, beggin' fer yer help in exchange for praise and sacrifices. Instead, I am going to make you an offer. I know how you feel about the Vlka Fenryka. I know what Bjorn and the sons of Fenris did to you. I offer you the chance for revenge. And if you do not take up my offer, then to hell with you.”


Though perhaps it could use more Scottish flavor. I don't know Scottish slang.

The daemon agrees and is bound within a young Dark Wolf of Skyrar’s choosing. When Magnus and the Grey Knights respond to the hail for assistance against Skyrar, Magnus squares off against Skyrar’s ace in the hole because the Grey Knights are focusing on killing daemons and closing warp rifts and the daemonhost is by far the biggest problem.

As they fight, the daemon goes on about how great it is. It claims its fury is like a volcanic eruption, its blows are like a hurricane, so on and so forth. Magnus points out all this bravado is ignoring one, major weakness, and then he phases his hand out of sync with reality and rips the host’s heart out. All that power and the ability to use it is dependent on its host being alive. No host, no daemon. A daemon can puppet a corpse, but sooner or later it has to abandon its vessel and returns to the Imperium. Daemon Prince, currently bleeding out of his chest, says it just has to kill him before his host dies. Magnus says all he has to do is put a ward between them and wait for him to die. And he had been making wards since he was 15 years old.

This way it also keeps Magnus from intruding on the duel between Harek Ironhelm and Skyrar, making it mano a mano and more about skill than buffs. Skyrar wins because he's a veteran of the War of the Beast, but Ironhelm wins the moral victory because he's stopped Skyrar long enough for Bjorn and Magnus to finish with their business, which leads him to go "fuck this I'm out" and not destroy Fenris.

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>>61775876
Magnus lost his eye under mysterious circumstances when he was hiding up in the mountains from Ursh.

I has enden early that planned so..

From The Living Chronicles of Féin-Cineálan

Omega Girl V2

https://pastebin.com/5XP4cqic

Alpha Bitch V2

https://pastebin.com/0eGMzb6W

And after the credits roll...

Downloading...

Processing...

Mission parameters:

1-Acquire enemy asset complete psicomorfic field template

2-Kill enemy asset.

3-Acquire enemy asset biological samples

4-Complete obliteration trough nanoeaters of the enemy asset.

5-Avoid capture and return to Mother


"I... Remember... You"

"She is so beautiful"

"How are you?"

"Impressive!"

"The Woman, The Myth, The Legend"

"Teach you?!"

"I consider myself... A family man"

"Sometimes people choose to do the right thing, and a world die."

"Just as planned"

>>61775932
I wouldn't bother about making it "more Scottish flavour". Caledonia was North Gredbriton and Skyrar was an old friend of Russ. From that we can assume that, much like 8th to the 15th century, Caledonia was somewhere between heavily influenced to outright owned by the Nordyc.

>>61771883
I like this idea. Also shows what would have happened to Posul, the Mortificator's homeworld, if the natives hadn't have had their rebellion and what would eventually have happened to Old Earth if things had carried on uninterrupted. Chaos is, in addition to being fucking awful to be around, utterly unsustainable and will destroy what it infects on any scale. From the unimaginably huge and grand like the Eldar Empire to the individual.

>>61773643
She has served many/several master by that point but I imagine it's on the basis of handed from retinue to retinue rather than the Inquisition standby soldier pool.

>>61764058
The Necrons are beyond such petty mortal things as mere hatred bullshit.

>>61775932
It would have been a deamon lord that he raised and bound and it dragged it's own army with it.

>>61782114
Did the Mortificatorsstuff get saved?

With the introduction of the Valkyrie warrior elite to Fenris and it's colonies is there a Brynhildr type figure?

bampan

>>61785635
Yes, it did.

>>61771883
>>61782114
Seconded

>>61779129
I think anon was referring to the Battle of the Fang in canon, where Ragnar Blackmane put the Spear of Russ through Magnus' good eye. Of course at that point in canon he was a daemon primarch, so it wasn't as debilitating as one might think.

>>61787499
We don't have any named figures. I remember when the idea was proposed someone said having them led by a person named Brynhildr of something might be too far, but that was the only thing I remember along those lines. It could be done well, or it could be too on the nose.

So are we set on the Omega Legion being independent of all command structures? This seems to be a change made over the last couple threads

>>61793059
It was always independent of all command structures from the beginning. The Omega Marines were meant to infiltrate Fallen warbands as well as cause false flag operations and the sorts of "I was only pretending to be a traitor" you'd expect from the Alpha Legion. The Steward and Isha were never told for the ultimate in plausible deniability. And because false flag operations and other "horrible stuff for the greater good" doesn't work as well if the other side knows they're being suckered. Because they are picked from within Alpha Legion cells and the Alpha Legion in some ways acts more like a legion than a (namely, despite Alpha Legion cells being smaller than normal Astartes chapters they keep in contact with each other a lot more than chapters do even in this timeline) it's harder to stamp them out than say a particular chapter going traitor.

The problem is when you are trying to go undercover against Chaos your fake treachery can become real treachery very easy. A lot of Omega Marines do fall.

>>61787499
>>61790674
We could use someone to give a face to that statement of "sometimes in order to treat the wounded you have to shoot the bastard who did it off of them first" that sums up the Valkyries attitude of going in guns ablazing despite being paramedics. I'd say if we covered up the direct influences as much playing off of particular Norse Valkyries could work.

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>>61794634
How much control should the High Priest Ulrik the Slayer have over them?

>>61794634
remember, no High Gothic

In what threads has been talks about Inquisitor Silas Hand. I remember that it was talked that he is and Eldar, but little more.

>>61794634

I feel the concept of somebody trying to infiltrate Chaos to be pretty silly. This AU is characterized to be more reasonable. In vanilla, something like that will put the inquisition in overkill mode. If a practically rogue/uncontrollable/of-the records organization like the Omegas do that. Oscar will actively be trying to take control/purge the stupidity.

>>61798881
He was at one point on the Path of Enforcer and he took to it early in life, which is odd because it's usually an old man's Path. Didn't become pathlost and at some point, might have been directly afterwards but there may have been some time between, joined the Disciples of Kronus. Hunted with them for a good long while but after too many centuries it started to become routine and he grew dissatisfied with his life. On one fateful hunt he and his band encounter an old inquisitor and some White Scars as they hunt down a deamon-prince by the name of Voldorius. He learns of the Inquisition and it seems like a perfect fusion of Enforcer and Hunter and the game seems big and varied. Inquisitor offers him a place in their retinue. Eventually Mr Hand becomes an Inquisitor in his own right. Inquisitor Hand serves for many, many years in the Inquisition, an eldar with longevity treatments can see anywhere between 4,000 - 5,000 years and he is approaching the big 4 triple 0. At some point more recently he concountered Lynn Minwen. More recently still he, alongside some old hunting buddies, encountered Ephrael Stern seemingly by chance.

>>61799558

Thanks, I'm planning in writing a (sorta)continuation to Omega girl/Alpha bitch called provisionally Daemonifuge/ND. As there is no consensus in the threads about Stern, most of her background will be left vague. The good guys don´t know what exactly happens to her and the bad ones will lie(of course). Stern doesn´t know/tell. The only thing that will be clear is that the DE are somehow involved. The time period will be some months after Alpha but years before the 13th black crusade. Power-wise Stern follow a Guardsmen>Sisters>Marine>Stern=6to1(100%succes) proportion, but she needs to learn to manage her power. If somebody wants to throw a stone is the moment.

>>61799834
In terms of raw power Stern is the equal of Magnus the Red but it's directed unconsciously into physical buffs rather than doing wizard shit.

>>61800887

That is years in the future when she is Cannoness Stern in her crusade against the hadex anomaly. This is a mind-breaked young woman who is not sure what really has happened. Written that, even that is pretty overpowered. In the history, she will need a while before being able to take control of her powers.

>>61798881
>>61799558
Silas Hand also isn't his birth name. It's just the name he goes under because he humans can't pronounce his eldar name. He got if from a Silas' Veggie Paste tin.

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Has anyone done anything with the Nightsider abhumans yet? It was mentioned that Mordia has a population of them on the night-side of the planet that was assumed to be just local superstition until the baseline population migrated there because of the increasing Chaos invasions.

>>61799263
I don't think they're trying to infiltrate Elsinore or anything like that, probably focusing more on Fallen warbands outside the Eye and such, "accidentally" tipping off local forces and whatnot. If they do try to go to Elsinore, they probably know it's a suicide mission.

>>61798626
Since he's basically the viking space pope, he probably doesn't have any direct power but a lot of indirect power due to being a venerated figure. As Securitas the Valkyries may have to make the uncomfortable choice of putting their loyalty to the Imperium above their loyalty to Fenris.

>>61803602
One of the things mentioned as a prominent Omega Legion operation is a FOB/blacksite in the eye, one that other Imperial assets can go to with sufficient clearance, though they don't get to know who's running the operation when they visit. We've also mentioned in the past that a number of the particularly confused, fractious, and unpredictable warbands in the Eye of Terror have been subverted, (mis)lead by, or consist entirely of Omega Legion assets with a mission of sabotage and further misinformation to Chaos.

It's entirely possible there's at least one Omega Legionnaire that's been embedded with the Fallen since they first left Sol in the Great Crusade, though he's doubtlessly gone quite insane keeping his cover. His last report might have been when Luther did his betrayal, the response being to bide his time until he could strike for optimal effect, and after the War of the Beast came and went without such an opportunity he's still waiting, likely until judgement day.

>>61803602

Valkyries are only nominally aligned with the securitas, even their augmentations seems bootleged. They can pay lip service to the Adepta, but they are Fenrisians before anithing else.

How are ol' Kryptmann these days? Still eating nids for breakfast, lunch and dinner?

>>61804103
when he isn't frozen, yup. There was some discussion of turning him into a Servo Brain following bodily failure.

I was thinking the term Crusade would actually need some explaining for its heavy use by the Imperium. Christianity is a very distant historical memory, mostly persisting in variations of some symbols in some contexts, symbols that have since had many new bearers for just as many millennia. I figure Crusade is either a sort of meta translation for the sort of sanctified, righteous war that the Imperium declares on major occasions, or a term that has been totally decoupled from its original cause and is just used a in a strategically descriptive sense of pulling various forces together over a long period and moving them a long distance in an extended campaign against a separate cultural unit. It could also be that the word was rediscovered without the full etymological context, and the cross part is taken as part of a meaning along the lines of "a warlike transit" or something similarly removed from its ancient history.

How are everyone's least favourite fanatical, hypocrite Throne-bound jerkass doing? Fyodor Karamazov, I mean.

How grave a threat is his rebellion, really? Like, sure he's going agaisnt the might of the Inquisition and an entire SM Chapter... but the cults of personality and fanatisms he's built up, all the extremists he's drawn to his side... how much damage can they do to the Imperium?

>>61804206
That's his pension plan. He is far too old and frail to survive another trip through the freezer and he is really old. Every day people expect the bad/good news levels of really old. Getting servo brained is a way to fuck up 'Nids post-moterm, he will make them pay for what they took form him.

>>61804711

Not much of a threat. The damage is, that tie down resources that can go to stop Chaos/Orks/Necrons/Tyranids etc etc etc. Unless he fall to Chaos he is a drop in the bucket. Even those of good position than share his vision, will be very reticent to help him. Sadly, that drop can ravage planets. He esencialy is a well-funden terrorist. Yes, he can elicit terror moments, but beyond that... nothing. Think Al-Qaeda after 11S.

>>61804329
It still has religious connotations. Logar started calling it the Great Crusade because The Expeditionary Reunification Endeavour was what Oscar kept trying to call it. Logar's name had more pazzazz to it so it stuck with the populace.

>>61804711
Well, he also has to contend with the fact that every Monodominant extremist he courts for support has pretty even chances of taking their fanatical boner for Imperial authority and using it on him if he miscalculated. For every General Ripper equivalent he recruits, there's another technically loyalist Col. Kilgore excited to loose the might of the Guard on mostly innocent planets hunting him, and Col. Kurtz style loonies working double secret black ops for the Omega Hydras, etc. that do worse for better reasons.

Essentially Karamazov's sort of fanatical extremist is much less common and dangerous in this setting, his Nobledark equivalents are essentially as extremist, but more subtle, subversive, and connected, with far greater rationalization. Its the difference between canon Inquisitors and something more like Special Circumstances, with its whole shtick of "we operate in ethical singularities" to justify themselves.

>>61805757
There's also the fact that he was a long way from any power base in a time of stretched attention and resources when he staged his little coup. And also he had spent the time he was still a reputable if overly harsh political player making contacts and swaying like minded extremists to his side. The whole thing would have taken centuries of planning and one good thing to come out of it was that most if not all of the bad apples in tue Inquisition joined him and now most of their names are known.

On the whole though it was a miscalculation on his part. He didn't manage to get enough people in enough places of authority to enact an overthrow of the Inquisition as a whole and force any Imperium wide policy changes.

And then Empress Isha All-Mother made it her business to solve this problem. Oscar would have tried to be diplomatic and discreet, whittle away the supports and take Karamazov out quietly away from the public eye, nobody.needs to know that any of this has happened. Isha set the Carcharodons on him because she wants this as public as possible and everyone can see what happens when you hurt her children.

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>>61804901
"Kryptman's screaming at the top of his lungs again about the tyranids and how he's going to kill 'em all. I think he may be going senile."
"No, no, that's just how he always is. Indeed, to hear my predecessor talk, he's actually mellowed out a bit as the years have gone on".

>>61803558
Nothing yet.

>>61785932
Yes.

>>61803802
That's another good function I think we forgot to mention. Keep the Fallen at each other's throats and keep them from organizing. They may not be able to screw with the Crones as easily and Luther's inner circle may be too tough to crack, but any Fallen warbands fighting the Crones or each other is another not raiding the Imperium.

>>61804711
>>61804904
>>61805757
>>61806821
In the big picture of things, Fyodor isn't that big of a deal. The bigger issue would be his Crusade of Change screwing things up at the worst possible time and letting one of the big players get through, as well as the fact that he raised a lot of monodominant sentiment among some circles of the Imperium. The Imperium does not have time to deal with him right now, but they have to.

He also raised the really ugly question of "who watches the watchmen" to the Inquisition. Before Inquisitors had always seemed to go nuts one at a time and could be picked off that way. This was the first time they tried to get organized.

>>61804329
>>61805638
Despite the term “crusade” originally being coined in reference to Christians trying to retake Jerusalem, it’s often used to mean any sort of zealous action for some ideology or cause, even a secular one. In that sense, the Great Crusade was just that, a concerted expedition to the stars based on the ideology that humanity should be reunited and didn’t have to live in the muck as a bunch of in-fighting techno-barbarians. Terrawatt being a rationalist technocracy (I kept trying to think of what oaths they would swear by and was thinking they’d probably say something like “By Newton”), the religious implications of the term may have initially gone over Oscar's head.

Based on the writing “the War for Heaven”, I always got the impression that Oscar was atheistic but not necessarily anti-religious in the way the canon Emperor was. To start, he was raised in Terrawatt, so he was never very spiritual in the first place. While he may not be the equal of the gods, compared to most people he's tall enough to see into the throne room of Mount Olympus and see the throne is empty and the so-called gods have feet of clay. First metaphorically and then very literally after the Raid. Even Isha and Ceggers have their flaws and can screw up. He's a little envious of Lorgar and the like, who can believe so whole-heartedly that there's some kind of ultimately good ur-god out there pulling strings to make everything work out in the end. He wished he could believe that, given the state of the universe he doesn't see any evidence of one from his perspective and it would be delusional to try and believe otherwise. At the same time, he doesn't want to take that hope away from other people.

Later crusades are called that out of reference to the Great Crusade, which is the most important event called a "crusade" in modern memory, displacing any prior connotations. Similarly, Malys used the term "Black Crusade" as a sick parody of the Steward's idea.

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I was noticing in canon that a lot of Space Wolves are accompanied by paired Fenrisian Wolves. Leman Russ had Freki and Geri, Ragnar Blackmane has Svangir and Ulfgir, Logan Grimnir has Tyrnak and Fenrir. I get that from an out-of-universe perspective it is meant to reference Odin’s two wolves Freki and Geri, but for it to happen so often seems to warrant explanation. The best explanation I can think are that when they are not siblings Fenrisian wolves often come in groups of two because they tend to group in mated pairs…just like a certain other species (besides real wolves) that tends to associated in groups of mated pairs.

I was going to suggest that Freki and Geri may have been some of Leman's many daughters but if some of the Fenrisian wolves are mated pairs it might be one daughter and her lover. We know Leman tried using the Canis Helix on female aspirants for the simple reason that Fenris Wolves managed to survive and breed in the wild, and to potentially increase recruitment rates over male-only Astartes. The fact that his daughter was one of the ones turned into a monster just hit harder.

Geri was one of Russ’ many daughters with Linnea, known for her huge appetite and gluttonous habits. When Russ began his secret experiments on Fenris to improve the success rate of the Canis Helix she and her lover, Freki, were some of the few non-Fenrisians who applied, determined to make Russ proud. Geri had complete faith in her father’s abilities. Even when the two of them turned into monsters, albeit stable ones, and the other Fenrisian wolves who were able to walk broke free and escaped into the snows of Fenris, Freki and Geri loyally remained in their pens, their faith in her father never wavering. Their faith proved true. While Russ was willing to euthanize those who had non-functioning lungs, tumor-filled jaws, or mutated to have multiple limbs, he could not bear to kill his daughter.

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>>61807817
According to the official records, Freki and Geri “died” from a troll attack on the snows of Fenris. The two truck-sized Fenrisian wolves that followed Leman around after that were named after them in their honor. Linnea, well, she knew the truth. She could never really fully forgive Russ for what happened and to his credit Russ never tried to justify his actions.

Was thinking either the two of them followed Leman out into the snow when he disappeared, or they died during the Battle of the Fang.

"Gods, Leman, what have you done?"
"Primarch, did you happen to see the size of those things that Russ brought with him? Must be some tamed beasts from that little black site playground of his. They must grow wolves big on Fenris.”
"Those aren’t wolves."
"Primarch? Magnus? What do you mean?”
"You misunderstand Ahriman. There are no species of wolves native to Fenris."
-- Conversation between Primarch Magnus the Red and Ahriman during the “first” public appearance of Freki and Geri.

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Found the motivation to do an incomplete writeup for Ahzek Ahriman.

“What are you?”
“Damned.”
-- Conversation between one of the Fallen and Ahzek Ahriman of the Daemon Breakers during the battle of Fraxos, circa 780.M39, after the former stabbed the latter through the chest to no effect.

Ahzek Ahriman was born in the country of Achaemenidia, long known as the crossroads of the Old World, during the Unification Wars. As a result, as a child he had the opportunity to watch the Warlord's armies criss-cross the planet, first to the east to head off the western ambitions of Ursh, then to the south to shore up the rest of Afrik, then back to the east again to cross into Persepotropolis and the rest of Azia.

Ahriman grew up in Achaemidia under the shadow of marching Thunder Warriors alongside his twin brother, Ohrmuzd. Despite being twins, the two of them could not be more different, like fire and shadow. Ahriman was the fire, full of righteous passion and will. Ohrmuzd was the shadow, calm and understanding, but also soft and unassertive. Ohrmuzd often had difficulty hiding his psychic gifts and was frequently harassed as a freak and a witch during his childhood. Ahriman often found himself defending his shier brother against the other children with his hands and fists, gaining many a bruise or bloody nose in the process. It was these encounters that left Ahzek Ahriman with a lifelong hatred of bullies and those that would abuse power, something that would influence him for the rest of his life.

>>61809063
Eventually, the psychic talents of the two brothers brought them to the attention of the Imperium, in particular the inscrutable psyker Magnus the Red. Both brothers were inducted into the newly formed XV Legion, and given the enhancements of the Mark III MP geneseed. Although both brothers were tutored by Magnus, Ahriman was clearly the favorite. Ahriman devoured knowledge at a rate that few others in the legion could match, and was always eager to learn more. Ohrmuzd never resented this, he had always been afraid of his powers and was merely happy to be able to know enough to keep them under control. Ahriman grew to idolize Magnus, whereas Magnus came to see Ahriman as his star pupil. Magnus had always been too scarred by his experiences in Ursh and the Forbidden Mountains of Himalazia to ever consider a romantic relationship, but he considered Ahriman to be the closest thing he ever had to a son. Magnus even trusted him enough to teach him the forbidden arts of summoning and binding creatures of the Warp, passed on to him by his mother Ada.

When the Warlord, now rechristened the Steward, Ahzek Ahriman was one of the possibilities at the top of the list among idle gossipers, due to his immense talent and being by far the most prominent son of Achaemenidia. However, in the end Ahriman was passed over in favor of Magnus the Red. To Ahriman, this was only right and proper. He had owed everything to Magnus, and it was only fair that his mentor be recognized for his talents. The student had yet to surpass the master, and he was humble enough to admit it.

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>>61809101
Tragedy struck during the Ark Reach Cluster campaign when the Thousand Sons fought against the human Avenians on their capital world of Heliosa alongside the Word Bearers and the Vlka Fenryka. The inhabitants of Heliosa used strange magicks to stymy the Imperial advance, and the Steward had sent his legion of witches and psykers in turn to check them. The more powerful Ahriman stayed behind to protect the rear while his more cautious brother was sent to advance the front. Yet when Amon unexpectedly returned to the rear guard in a panic saying that something had happened and Ahriman had to come with him immediately, Ahriman realized something had gone wrong.

The Avenians were loyal devotees of Chaos and the four Ruinous Powers, which was the source of their strange abilities. Their patrons had taught them nightmarish fleshcrafting sorcery to unleash upon the legionnaires, which turned men into mewling monstrosities and was especially potent on psykers and the weak-willed. When Ahriman finally reached the front, he was directed to a shambling mass that could no longer stand under its own power. It has no axis of symmetry, with numerous limbs sticking out from its melted tumor of a body, many of which were not even human. It labored to breathe, most of the eyes on its faceless body glassy and unfocused. There was no mistaking who it used to be, especially when the creature opened one of its mouths and begged for death with the same voice that Ahriman had known since childhood. There was no saving Ohrmuzd, only giving the tortured thing he had become peace. It was when he delivered the final mercy to his afflicted brother that he realized the truth: the gods of Chaos and their daemons were no more than upscaled bullies. It seemed childish and ludicrous a thought to entertain, but that did not mean it was not true.

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>>61809119
It is said that twins, especially psyker twins, possess a connection unlike anything else in the universe. The eldar and {DATA REDACTED} can well attest to this, and this is thought to be the principle behind psychic phenomena like Ansible Twins. And the loss of that connection, the loneliness that follows, is one of the worst things anyone can experience. Ahriman certainly felt that way. Tragedy would continue to dog Ahriman. Achaemenidia was virtually destroyed in the War of the Beast, like most countries of the reformed Tharkian Empire due to the Beast’s forces encamping at the gates of the Imperial Palace to the north during the Battle of Terra.

However, although it was not possible to recover in full, it was possible to move on. When the Thousand Sons relocated themselves to the psychic planet of Prospero after the end of the War of the Beast, Ahriman found a second home for himself. Despite being an outsider, his love of knowledge and learning eventually won over the local population, with Ahriman eventually becoming one of the most esteemed teachers and scholars on the planet. Many a letter from Prospero during the Imperial Golden Age speaks glowingly of “Professor Ahriman”, the tutor who seemed to have boundless enthusiasm for teaching and was well-loved by his students. He was for many generations of young psykers what Magnus had been for him.

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>>61809137
Then the Fourth Black Crusade happened. Prospero for years had been a source of irritation for Lady Malys and the Crone Eldar, the idea of a human psychic city on a hill was disgusting to them. Prospero had always been a target during the last three Black Crusades, but this time it appeared as though the destruction of the planet would actually happen, as the Cronefleets marched slowly but surely towards Prospero as Imperial fleets, Guard regiments, and Astartes chapters marshalled to its defense. Ahriman had had enough. He had already lost his home and his family twice before. He would not do so again. As Astartes and Spire Guard and daemon and Crone Eldar dueled to the death in Tizca’s streets and nuclear bombs exploded in the planet’s atmosphere, Ahriman gathered up whatever psykers he could spare, ranging from Prosperan students to Thousand Son Librarians, to conduct a hastily made ritual out of what little sorcerous knowledge could be scrounged out of the Great Library of Tizca to send Prospero to a pocket dimension where it would be safe. Needless to say, the results of the ritual did not go according to plan. Whether or not the Changer of Ways had any hand in corrupting the ritual is unknown, though certainly not out of the question.

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>>61809173
Ahriman and his cabal survived the casting of the Rubric, and at first he seemed to cope suspiciously well given the loss of his adopted home. However, it soon became apparent that any such acceptance was merely a façade, and Ahriman had become deeply broken and self-loathing by this turn of events. A few decades after the Burning of Prospero, it was discovered that Ahriman had been using Magnus’ forbidden knowledge to bind and interrogate daemons and had been teaching other members of the Thousand Sons how to do this. When an Inquisitorial investigation confirmed these claims Magnus the Red was particularly horrified by this turn of events. Having seen Ahriman as his potential successor, he had taught Ahriman the forbidden ways passed down to him by his mother because he believed the knowledge needed to be remembered just in case and he felt Ahriman was responsible enough to use them only as a last resort. He didn’t expect Ahriman to start summoning daemons and beating them for information. As everything took a turn for the worst, Ahriman and most of his followers who knew how to bind daemons fled, unrepentant for their actions but refusing to hurt fellow Imperials over it.

And that's all I have. From there need to go into the Daemon Breakers and how they work, Ahriman's ideals and Byronic nature, how he rubriced himself to stay alive, and his participation in the Iron Storm (which we need to resolve the continuity issue with). But its a start.

Probably will get to it when Ahriman brings back Prospero.

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>>61809211 (same)
Also a little on the fence about using the Avenians as Chaos worshippers. They're a Survivor Civilization in canon and are quite fleshed out (distinct physical features like Interex, ride giant birds, have wingsuits, and kind of remind one of High Elves from Fantasy), but I am not sure if they are Chaotic or not. canon Leman apparently said there was something wrong with them and they were debased but he said that about a lot of things. Haven't read A Thousand Sons. Was trying to find a campaign from canon Ahriman was involved in.

On the same note, it would be quite unusual for the galaxy to completely lack advanced civilizations that fell to Chaos.

>>61807860
>>61809211
Well they were suitably horrific.

>There are no species of wolves native to Fenris.
I like. Very nice.

Any ideas for the theme for next thread?

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>>61812508
Hydra/Omega marine shenanigans

I'm not sure if anyone is going to like this, but here goes. Just an idea.

Trajann Valoris is the current Captain-General of the Adeptus Custodes, the third such holder of the office after Arik Taranis and the renowned Constantin Valdor. Trajann came to prominence at an unusual time: around the time of the centuries of silence and the sudden disappearance of Vulkan and the realization that Mark III S Astartes were, in fact, not biologically immortal. There had already been suspicion within the Imperial court that Vulkan’s disappearance was due to his worsening health, a suspicion that seemed to be proven correct when several Custodians began experiencing health problems. Nobody had noticed this before no Mark III S Astartes had ever died of old age before. The only other institution to make extensive use of the Mark III S geneseed, the Grey Knights, tended to live much shorter, more violent lives and, as famously said by their first Grand Master Janus “never died in their beds”. By contrast, the rate of replacement within the Adeptus Custodes was so low that recruitment of more than a few individuals per century into the Ten Thousand was considered noteworthy, and it was often the youngest, most inexperienced individuals that died. This meant that there were now a significant portion of the Adeptus Custodes that were now at risk of dying from old age.

>>61815008
The Custodes had planned to be phased out after the crowning of Emperor Vandire, but the ensuing Age of Apostasy and the eventual elevation of the Steward to the Golden Throne meant that this decision had to be reversed posthaste. Constantin Valdor was particularly desperate to find a successor. He had predicted something like the Age of Apostasy would happen when he accompanied the Steward and Isha to Littoropoli, but he hadn’t expected that he would be racing the time thief when he came back to the job. Among the pool of possible candidates, his attention was soon drawn to Trajann Valoris. Trajann was one of the few Custodians recruited back when the Adeptus Custodes were experiencing “normal” recruitment, having been born two years after the fall of Vandire and the coronation of the Steward. Not only was he relatively senior compared to most of the current batch of new recruits, he showed great promise, having served with honor in the Allarus Custodians, the group of Custodians tasked with proactively destroying threats to the Imperial Couple and carrying out the orders of the Steward (now Emperor) in person. Valdor began grooming Trajann for the position of captain-general, and when Valdor died some two centuries later he did so confident that his position was in good hands.

Those who know Trajann describe him as an amiable man, especially compared to the arrogant Taranis or the taciturn Valdor. People who know him personally describe him as personable, agreeable, even somewhat dorky, whereas on the battlefield he has been known to be methodical and forward thinking. Trajann used to be quite hot-blooded during his time with the Allarus, but three thousand years of service have tempered him somewhat, though he still prefers a much more proactive approach than Valdor, who preferred to plan for contingencies.

>>61815023
He is also much more willing to leverage the reputation of the Custodes to accomplish things, and has even been known to personally sit in on meetings of the High Lords when the Travelling Court stops at Earth to learn of current issues, something neither of his predecessors have done.

Perhaps Trajan’s greatest flaw is his own insecurity in his abilities. Ironically, despite being so much like Oscar in his virtues, he also shares with his charge one of his greatest flaws. The Emperor is close to 11,000 years old; Galadrea, his counterpart among the Handmaidens, is a survivor of the Fall; and the Empress is estimated to have come into existence at roughly the same time as the extinction of dinosaurs on Old Earth. As a result, Trajann often feels like he is the baby of the bunch and cannot measure up to the three of them. A sentiment not helped by the feeling he gets that Galadrea hates him. To her credit, Galadrea doesn’t actually hate him. She was close friends with Constantine Valdor for nearly six thousand years, and every time she sees Trajan she is reminded of the friend she has lost. And in her mind he is nowhere near as bad as Arik Taranis, whom Galadrea met once. And once was enough. That said, she does feel like Trajann needs to learn to respect his elders. However, one should not take this to mean Trajann is immature. At more than three thousand years old Trajann is still much older and more experienced than most inhabitants of the Imperium, something most would be wise to take note. When he puts his self-doubt aside, Trajann has been able to take down numerous threats to the Imperial Couple’s safety both indirectly and by his own skill, particularly any that would be fool enough to dismiss him.

>>61815034
The idea behind this was to write down some things that had been discussed and mentioned on the Notes page, as well as build some dynamics within the Imperial Court as well as rework Trajann a bit. Trajann’s most notable character trait in canon is that he is aggressive, which is perfect for reintroducing the Custodians as a proactive force, but works less well in a setting where the Emperor is still up and around and is able to order them to do things and makes him not stand out very much. And serving in an environment where the Emperor is still around is going to be very different from regular 40k.

I was thinking Trajann and Galadrea are like funhouse mirrors of their patrons. Like Isha, Galadrea has been written as someone who favors pulling potential problems up by the roots and doing so in the most dramatic manner possible to make an example of them, though she has a similar stern, consummate professional “no fun allowed” personality to Valdor. Trajann, on the other hand, is a nice, reasonable guy, but he’s a little insecure in his position. Unlike Oscar, he’s not insecure due to his status, but due to the people that surround him. He’s a newcomer into a court of borderline immortals, and most of his coworkers are the kind of people who are talked about in epics and history books. He’s only ever known the Emperor as “the Emperor”, not the Steward. Of course he’d be a little insecure.

Of course insecure=/=incompetent, given the irony of Trajann still being one of the oldest humans in the Imperium. He’s a nice guy who can and will slice you into three pieces if he thinks you’re looking at Oscar funny.

In other words, he’s a combination of the canon Trajann Valoris and Little Kitten (the idea had come up back before Trajann had much characterization). Which I am concerned would be the biggest problem and hence why the idea may not be good. So if we throw it out, so be it.

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>>61815267
I like it. It's a good character. He seems real and with real person problems

>>61815267
definitely down for more court dynamics and intrigues, we need some aristocracy to contrast with all this nobility. Also, that's my proposition for the next thread.

>>61807627
The Fallen also have way more overt blessings than the Crones, it's why they're so salty.

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>>61817666
honestly that makes me think the official Fallen convened around Luther might actually be violently hostile to newer Fallen Warbands, partly because they might threaten the existing power structure, partially because any obscure band on loonies might really be Omega legion saboteurs that are intentionally incompetent.

So, whats the cooler part of this?

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>>61817751
That's why you keep the new kids sectioned off in their own clubhouse until they've proven themselves. Or until never. Fucking newfags. That way they can't fuck you up from the inside out.

>>61807860
>"Those aren’t wolves."
Ahriman's face some time later when the penny drops.

>>61803602
Do the Valkyries get around the decree passive somehow or are they just outright ignoring it?

>>61821059
>>61817751
Really good idea. And it means more reasons for Chaos to fight itself. It's also yet another good reason Huron is building Outer Heaven...I mean carving out his own niche in the Eye/Malestrom than joining up with Luther.

"There are four stages of incompetence, "normal", "incompetent", "Omega Marine in disguise", and "not even the Omega Marines are that stupid". We have all four in abundance in the Eye."

>>61821059
They're not a religious organization, so its probably not as much of a problem. In theory anyone can join the Valkyries, though they won't get all the benefits of the augments and they'd better like jump packs.

>>61819440
In terms of "wow" factor? The Laer turned their home planet into a giant fusion candle spaceship. Medusa has giant walking mountains on it. Olly P., a normsl dude, took out Attack Planet Ullanor by ramming the Phalanx into it. Be'lakor no longer sucks (though he does still fail a lot). Szarekh is now Space Settra. Tau have begrudgingly learned how to into melee.

>>61815023
They would have planned to phase out the institution, not the actual thing. Important High Lords and sector governors have them assigned sometimes.

>>61821271
>"There are four stages of incompetence, "normal", "incompetent", "Omega Marine in disguise", and "not even the Omega Marines are that stupid". We have all four in abundance in the Eye."

Worth noting is that the Omega Marines aren't just a liability to Chaos when successfully embedded, they work hard to fuck things up in complex and unexpected ways. With effort they rival the Crones in creativity for horrible ideas, and know how to sell faithful warbands on massive boondoggles, contrived ideological disputes, and pointless self-destructive campaigns without ever tipping their hand. The fact that for all their effort there are always Fallen warbands more hairbrained, aimlessly dogmatic, unreliable, and bumbling without all that is an important boon to their cover.

You can't spot an infiltrator looking for someone that seems to be trying to fuck up, you'll only find earnest idiots in that direction. Omega Marines seem to be effective and expeditious agents of Chaos, or at least agents of chaos, in truth they do their work by being better organized and informed than the vast majority of Fallen leadership.

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>>61822568
Also acts of seemingly random cruelty fit right in with Chaos, allowing for removal of key targets with minimal excuse, if often-convoluted and roundabout means.

>>61822568
Oh definitely. The idea was more that there is a spectrum of dumb ideas in the warp, goin from normal stupidity to ideas that are really a fiendish plot by the Omega Marines to sow discord, to ideas that are "so bad not even the Omega Marines would be try to pass them off as legitimate, sorry son you dumb". As you say, the reason the Omega Marines are able to get warbands at each other's throats over petty reasons and hairbrained schemes is warbands have gone to war with each other for real, without any help, over pettier reasons and even more hairbrained schemes. This is Chaos after all.

The irony being when the Fallen and Crones direct that at the Imperium they often catch the Imperials flat-footed because their strategists think "who would be crazy enough to do that". Orks kind of have their number with their "logik" though.

How do the Omegas recruit?

>>61824827
IIRC, they nominate from within the Alpha Legion, picking one among their number to volunteer for a suicide mission (or something similar, most operatives get mind scrubbed of their experiences if they survive).

That's why they're such a pain to deal with. It's not like the Marines Malevolent or the Night Lords where they can just go to them and say "cut that shit out". You can't cut off their recruiting pool and you can't confine them to one planet.

What have Jurgen and Inquisitor Viel been up to?

>>61826255

They are around Biel-Tan "helping" ambassador Cain and taking him for his "advice"

>>61826595
Does the Inquisitor suspect anything about the local Khaine Avatar? She does employ psykers.

>>61828052
I think the Inquisition has records but Cain does not know about Khaine, for the reason that the universe loves to toy with him.

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