Got Trajann, Ahzek, Freki and Geri, Urlock Gaur, and the latest versions of the short stories Alpha Bitch and Omega Girl (I just got that) on the wiki. Also managed to get some of the other stuff on the Notes page. Am trying to chop through some of the rest of it.

Was someone going to write up the Féin-Cineálan Enclaves and their history?

>>61834061
Thank you. You are a prince among anons.

I was going to write a bit on that.

>>61834061
How much history are we going for here? Broad strokes but more than what we have already, or trying to summarize their chronicle?

Reading last thread, I wonder who's someone notable that may have joined on Fyodor's joyride to damnation? Has he ever been dumb enough to try and recruit Kryptmann, seeing him as a fellow zealous fanatic that may be tempted for a bit more free wiggle room?

I can only imagine their exchange when Fyodor hangs the carrot of 'let you go back to world-burning' and Kryppy popping a vein and breaks that carrot in two.

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>>61835852
Kryptman was convinced even before the attempted coup that Karamazov was a gene-stealer. It.was.the only explanation he could think of for why a man of his position would hate the Imperium so much.

>>61834061

Thanks! I´m wan try to continue the history in Daemonifuge/ND. With a little luck, the Prologue will be written before the end of this thread.

And now my two cents about Ephrael Stern:
The soul of Stern has been somehow upgraded. From the point of view of a psyker, her soul is now a star bigger than even most Farseers(But she is not an Alpha). At this point, all comparations with "minor" psykers end. If the warp around Oscar is calm and around a blank death, around Ephrael is a storm. This makes it impossible(At least for the moment) for her to use that power beyond potentiation, and at the same time protect her from corruption/psykery. Psykers around will be not really be affected as her aura don´t work like Oscar or a pariah.
Her powers are instinctive but with time, Stern can probably fine-tuning the power output(Cannoness Stern is probably in this level). Most of her potentiation go to replicate standard Securitas/Astartes augmentation and go beyond... So, in theory, Ephrael can pick bolter rounds with the hands, survive short periods of void exposition and survive uncorrupted in the Eye of Terror(Yeah, it sounds a lot like a Vanilla Primarch). As Stern powers are warp-based, physics are normally bent in her favor.
As a side note. Stern powers seem strongly tied to her self-identity as a Sister and is altered in that direction. She has an idealized but somehow artificial sister appearance(Tall and Amazonian). Most humans will feel some degree of uncanny valley as she is "too artificial". This effect will go to the extreme to regenerate even loss members and prevent further augmentation.

>>61835927

Doesn't mean there wouldn't be an idiot who would try.

>>61836856
Not doubting that. Doubtful they would survive.

>>61836925
Which would still make for quite a scene. Like, imagine the unlucky recruiter rambling about 'human supermacy' and 'do what is necessary' and Kryptman thinking 'this little GENESTEALER SHIT is trying to RECRUIT ME?!?!?!!!'

Cue splatter. The guy may or may not have been roasted alive/sliced to pieces/put into his newest log as 'attempt no.3XXX001 of TYRANIDS! trying to recruit me.'

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>>61835927
That would be hilarious to watch.

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So we know Trazyn was around during the Harrowing. What do you suppose he has a preserved in-stasis body of a Harrow in his collection?

>>61838744
It's possible that they couldn't be preserved due to being projections from another universe operating on very different principles. Once they were beaten only dust remained.

>>61838803
So we settled on them being the magnetic field "shadows" of higher dimensional beings? He might at least have replicated the Shadow for his collection, without the unseen thing that cast it from behind the universal scenery.

>>61838744
We suggested that Trayzn somehow cheated his way into his own set of control protocols free of Szarek, and other Necrons seeking severance from that network get charged the ransom of their estates, ships, retainers, or whatever other assets Trayzn finds want for.

Gentleman that he is he doesn't go so far as to leave them without dignity due to Necrotyr nobility, taking his pick of loot but never impoverishing them so much they might be resentful or too pliable to Imperial favor. Necron lords and petty Phaerons and Pharekhs that take it come away from the deal still rich in tech, holdings, and subject-soldiers on a level that only the highest interstellar aristocracy can hope compare to, even just on paper and not truly accounting for the tech disparity in comparing the assets. Still, the practice has led to a steady growth of Trayzn's fleet and army, his personal influence, network of holdings, etc. as well as establishing a clear pecking order among the independent Necron houses. Those free from Szarekh by virtue of their own madness or incapacity aren't so much part of it, but for those Trayzn has cut loose know they are now vasals of a conversationalist king instead of a silent one.

>>61835852
>Fyodor hangs the carrot of 'let you go back to world-burning' and Kryppy popping a vein and breaks that carrot in two
it was mentioned last thread, but part of his difficulty is that this Imperium's fanatics dont scream Heresy, but they'll scream "Sedition! Treason against the Throne and the Crown and the Civilization!" just as loud. Monodominants are themselves split between those that lean towards (often qualified) human supremacy through Imperial sanction and another camp that is more focused on the overriding primacy of Imperial government power, which should be as centralized and ironclad as possible. Even trying to recruit the wrong sort of monodominant Inquisitor would be as bad for Karamazov as saying good things about tyranids around Kryptman. His subfaction are big fish in the small pond of shadow wars and mid level inter-agency politics, he made the jump to the big leagues but was ultimately totally out of his element. It would be like putting inspector Javert in charge of a modern international investigation of banking crimes.

>>61840252
Hanging that particular carrot in front of Kryptman would be a very bad idea. The Kryptman Line keeps him up ant night. It was necessary, but it was the stuff of nightmares to him.

So the original Alpharius and Omegon are dead by now, right? Right?

>>61842031
Definitely. And maybe as the same person. But they’re immortal because the system they made was their life, and it’s immortal.

That or they’re actually immortal and hanging with Horus and Fulgrim making Hydra plots while those two obsesses over the ringworld.

Actually, speaking of, “we found it/them while exploring Cthonia” might be a joke in segmtum solar. Part of the humor is that explorers of the ring come back with the most stupendous stories and trinkets, the other part is that the ring really is so huge and enigmatic that really no claim about it’s vast unexplored regions is falsifiable.

>>61842031
Almost certainly. We don't know what Alpharius and Omegon were, but all of the primarchs are believed dead or missing by M41. The only ones who survived past M34 were Magnus, who is super weird even by 40k standards; Vulkan, who was a Mark III S which are known to live 6000 years or so; and Ferrus Manus, who by the end was like 90% robot. A&O were none of these things.

>>61843192
And Lion, but he's in a coma.

>>61839792
Possibly they were. Or they were some sort of construct made by one of the lesser C'tan that was actively trying to re-write the universe in the manner that was once used to extinguish a C'tan utterly.

But in Vanilla they were stated to be part of an intrusion into this universe from outside and they didn't seem to be from the Warp. Possibly the Necrontyr encountered them in the distant past because Trazyn had stuff in his collection that could hurt them.

But then there was stuff in the Ganymede Vaults that could also hurt them that had nothing to do with the Necrons so it's also possible that nobody had seen them before and the damage was on the principle of "we don't know how they work but if we violate the universe enough where they're standing it's probably going to be uncomfortable for them".

Or, more troubling possibility, the weapons did nothing and wherever they were intruding from just moved "further away" and the timing was coincidence.

>>61840252
Ironically, the ones in this timeline who tend to scream heresy are the Crone Eldar. And to a lesser extent the Katholians.

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>>61846696
When a Katholian fanatic kills someone he whispers "heretic" instead of screaming it, gotta keep those shadow wars under wraps after all.

And the Crones scream lots of things.

>>61844969
IIRC the Harrowing in canon was described as being some kind of vast labrinthine thing. I can imagine the Imperium’s first notice of the Harrowing being when a bunch of ships suddenly notices a giant maze taking up much of realspace where a planet used to be. A labyrinth, but one with passages kilometers wide big enough to fly a small fleet through.
You know how space is supposed to be huge and empty, with lightyears of distance separating the nearest specs of solid matter. Well all of a sudden it’s not. And while it is translucent and ghostly on the edges of the phenomenon, the closer you get the more solid it becomes until it becomes more real than reality, which is when you know things get bad.

That alone implies something is very different about their laws of physics. The nature of gravity and space-time means that atoms tend to clump together into distantly placed spheres around a gravity well. Not form huge geometric fractilline labyrinths.

From an out-of-universe perspective one explanation for the Harrowing is that it represents some kind of artificial inter-branal intrusion from another universe. The Warp kind of both is and isn’t another dimension, it’s not reality as we know it but the 40k universe exists as a sort of duality with the Warp as the other side of the coin.

Trazyn would be the best person to figure this out in-universe, given the necron’s tendency to work with higher dimensions while the eldar preferred to plumb the depths of the Warp, but even then he probably wouldn’t exactly what they are. The Necrons had never encountered extra-dimensional beings (rather than those that merely inhabited higher dimensions like the Tindalosi or post-Old One Hrud) before, merely hypothesized they existed.

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>>61839792
Don't Trazyn's stasis grenades work by freezing chunks of time? If they do it's entirely possible he can preserve them. He has an Enslaver husk, but Enslavers have already been mentioned to be partly material

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>>61848359
I'm reminded of junji ito's spirals. It's probably best not to touch the maze physically. Properties of what it is seem to be infectious and it will gradually hollow you out and remake you into it's imagine. It was unsure whether the process was survivable, we can only hope not.

>>61847032
Keep in mind that Katholianism isn't the Imperial Creed and you are as likely to hear it from then Prometheans.

Also any eldar not of Chaos is heretic. Non Chaos humans aren't heretic because they aren't really people.

>>61848359
>IIRC the Harrowing in canon

One, The Harrowing isn't canon. It's a FFG plot hook.

Two, nothing is confirmed about it. It's written to be very vague and conflicting. The text is all in-verse speculation from guys who weren't there thousands of years later and it's never confirmed that it even happened. It's speculated that all it was daemons or early encounters with Tyranids that were distorted and overblown by rumours and misunderstanding. The whole thing is meant to be a plot hook for the GM. The GM can decide if the Harrowing happened and what it actually is.

Third, moronic anons (like you I suspect) have overblown this shitty plothook and made all manner of headcanon about it which they try to pass as actual fluff. Stop it.

FFG material is full of similar plot hooks like the Harrowing. For example, the Tyrant Star and the Dark Pattern. Always vague and always under the discretion of the GM to explore and fluff out. The Harrowing just got traction on this board because of one retarded anon who kept spamming it like it was the second coming of the Emperor.

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>>61852663
Who pissed on your chips?

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>>61842031
There's also the possibility that A&Ω were never real people in the first place considering how wildly their appearance changed and even being the same person on at least one occasion. It's possible that they were a composite consciousness amalgamated from selected members of The Hydra physically present in certain high grade cerebral implants. Whenever members of The Hydra who composed A&Ω met up they would sync up their implants to keep the A&Ω up to date and consistent between incarnations.

When members of the Alpha Legion claim to be Alpharius there is a real possibility that they aren't exactly lying, but they aren't exactly telling the truth either.

>>61852408
I don't think Katholianism has straight up heresies since Logar wrote the Lectitio Divinitatus. It's possible that Katholian belief acts on more of a broad spectrum each seen as seeing God from a different angle with the Patriarch Supreme/Space Pope and the Cardinal Council acting as a theologian intermediary between the differing sects.

About the only thing you can say for sure between all the sects is; Monotheistic, Messiah type figure who has been here at least once and is coming back again eventually and you will be judged before the afterlife. Everything else is kind of varied depending on which tradition you get raised in.

In contrast the Prometheans are far more united and consistent in their theology but don't have a single hierarchy and mortal authority they come under. So they amount to being equally disunified for different reasons.

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Has been talks to reintroduce the crusader orders? I think they can work. As in vanilla, their members are individual warriors, not armies. So they can conserve their religious connotations.

How much of the Omegas are in a state of near-corruption or corruption at one time?

Because, really, joining Chaos to defend the Imperium, damning their souls to save many more is a pretty damn nobledark thing to do, but until now we've not said much about their losses and sacrifices compared to their success. It kinda takes away a bit too much from their supposed noble sacrifice, when you just keep touting on the gains and not the sacrifices. You get what I mean?

>>61855907
Ophelia system is exporting ALL OF THE CRUSADERS at the moment because Lady Celestine has got them whipped into a religious frenzy. As the Katholians, and indeed mot if not all of the major religions, see the Imperium as their Holy Empire of the faithful that just has a lot of potential converts in it they all join the Imperial Army in one capacity or another.

Each world is allowed great freedom in how they organize their armies with the only demand being "so long as it works". The Imperium does not care what it's soldiers believe so long as it's not Chaos, not Emperor Worship and doesn't interfere with their job.

To this end Ophelia (and other majority Katholian worlds) absolutely can and do organize shit into Crusader orders so long as they obey the chain of command. Which they do because they are defending The Imperium, the greatest Katholian Nation that there has ever been. The Imperium doesn't care because the Imperium runs on the overall policy of benevolent indifference. They are just a local variation on the Guard Regiment. They are full of very religious soldiers but that's not a crime, quite the reverse as it instils a deep sense of brotherhood within the regiment. They have a name and ranks with religious connotations but who gives a shit, local nomenclature is local trivia and well beneath the Imperium's concern. Half the commanders are ordained priests, what people do in their off-hours is entirely their business and so long as they are competent and obey The Law the Imperium gives no shits.

The Crusader Orders are, from the official Imperial stance, a secular military tradition often found on worlds with a large Katholian population that often contain extremely religious individuals. It gets real fucking close to the line but the line is not crossed.

>>61856009
I think it's an issue of the drawbacks being readily apparent and thus a need to display that it is, in the grand scheme of things, something that is done for a reason and not just to make things darker.
For instance, friendly-fire incidents or Imperial resources being lost for the sake of an Omega plot that hinders a much larger Chaos campaign would not be unheard of. This would be to both keep their cover an hinder larger offensives because success leads to everybody scrambling over each other to grab the booty, which creates a scenario ripe for instigating in-fighting and causing an offensive that could have wiped out several planets bogging down on the first one. That still means an entire planet of Imperial citizens is now at the tender mercies of Chaos.
Similarly, Omega Legion has a 100% attrition rate. You join Omega, you're going into situations that guarantee that sooner or later, you're either going to die or go rogue. Half of initiation probably involves removing or replacing old Omega agents who have been in the Warp just a bit too long. It's thankless work that you start by killing the guy who came before you, and ends either on the blades of the enemy or the blade of your successor.

>>61856221
It's probably prudent to assume you're leaving life violently when you decide to become a Space Marine or any chapter/legion. There are occasional cases like Urial Ventris the former who get to die peacefully but those are long, long odds.

I just stumbled into the thread and took a look around. I like what you anons are doing, keep up the good work.

>>61853751
In canon, the Alpha Legion is notable in that anyone who consumes the primarch's blood gains a portion of their memories and temporarily gets a power boost to make them a fake primarch. It could be that something like that happens here, only instead of primarch blood it's some DaoT device that imparts a portion of the primarch's memories into the subject as part of the normal initiation rites.

Not enough to subsume the core personality, but enough to see the motivations for why the AL fight and helps to keep them on the same page. The subject might see it like a vision of A&O sort of like how in canon Astartes claim to have visions of their primarch (but again, for different reasons). So when they say they are Alpharius they may not be entirely lying.

Of course, given that Alpha Legionaires still fall, it just shows that while people can resist the temptations of chaos they aren't outright untouchable, and under different circumstances things could turn out very different.

If the AL also have a subconscious connection allowing them to coordinate it might also explain why they like hanging around the Chilliad, who have something similar and the AL may be recruiting from.

>>61857077
It is rumoured that they took the last of the Chiliad to The Ring.

>>61840038
It makes you wonder how many exactly have covertly gone to Trayzn and are now just playing along with the Silent King.

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>>61860692
[angry Bjorn noise intensifies]
Did we go for them developing the wired together and half dissected brains-in-a-jar method of rulership for them? Because it sounded weird as fuck.

Also do they still maintain their free range human farm or have they abandoned that at some point before 999M41?

>>61860847
I'd assume they've not kept up the practice, they've had plenty of rise and fall over their enclave's fortunes in their millennia surrounded by the Imperium.

A suggestion for the Pale Wasting.

The Thexian Trade Empire was an interstellar Xenos Independens empire located in the Ghoul Stars that controlled nearly sixty star systems at its height. The homeworld of the Thexians and capital of their empire were the Bloodmoons of Thex Prime, so named because of their intensely oxidized sediments causing them to appear bright red in color. When the Imperium first encountered the Thexians in the late years of the Great Crusade, they were shocked when Thexian ships sought them out and tried to open diplomatic channels and trade agreements with them. Previously during the Great Crusade, the vast majority of xenos races the Imperium had encountered had either tried to kill them on sight or had either come to a spoken or unspoken understanding to stay out of each other’s way. Even the Eldar, when they had sought out an alliance to free Isha some years earlier, had done so in a way the Imperium could understand, cautiously and half-heartedly out of fear that one side was going to break the other’s shaky trust. The fact that the Thexians had willingly approached them with apparently amicable intent baffled the Imperium.

>>61862944
In the end, the Imperium decided to neither declare war nor ally with the Thexians but kept them at arm’s length. The Thexians were considered not worth trying to wipe out for a variety of reasons. First, Thexian territory was considered. The Thexian Trade Empire was primarily located in the coreward front of the Ghoul Stars, areas which the Thexians had no problems inhabiting but humanity less so. The Ghoul Stars were also on the far side of the galaxy from the Segmentum Solar and were almost outside of the range of the Astronomican, making any attempts to hold them expensive and inefficient. Secondly, the Thexians made for a good buffer state. Much like the Eldar, Tarellians and later the Tau, the Thexians were much better neighbors than the vast majority of alternatives as they could actually be diplomatically reasoned with, unlike the vast majority of xenos races encountered during the Great Crusade. And finally, the Thexians quite frankly were not a threat to mankind. There was a heated disagreement over the existence of human populations on Thexian worlds, but the Thexians surprised the Imperium by being willing to relocate the majority of the human population on their worlds to Imperial territory, in exchange for trade agreements with the Imperium that is. If anything, the problem was the Thexians seemed too nice, which set off the Imperium’s sense of paranoia immensely.

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>>61862962
However, this friendliness covered up a more self-serving motivation. The Thexians, as a species, were motivated by a species-wide case of greed. The Thexians were an extremely long-lived species and reproduced very infrequently. Therefore, from an evolutionary perspective, greed made sense. Many species hoard resources for hibernation or periods of want, and if you live for thousands of years you can hoard quite a lot of resources, enough to let you survive even the longest lean periods until the next opportunity at reproduction came. The Thexians were so friendly and interested in trade because trade was one of the best ways for an individual to increase one’s holdings, and people were more willing to trade with a friendly face than a backstabbing or violent one. And the Thexians could afford to be friendly, for few unarmed or unaugmented beings could harm a Thexian in their true form. However, this did not mean the Thexians were soft. They were interested in amassing, and when it suited them they were capable of oiliness that would make a Void Born proud. Nor were Thexians unambitious, power plays between Thexians were not uncommon, though they usually took the form of displays of subtle power behind the scenes or hostile takeovers of assets than open warfare.

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>>61862978
The Thexians were a vaguely chiropteran species like the Khrave, though unlike the Khrave they did not spin webs and fed on flesh and blood rather than minds. The Thexians were a polymorphic race, capable of shifting into one of several different forms depending on their need. First and foremost was warform, a large, quadrupedal bat-like form capable of limited flight, covered in a leathery, squamous hide, and armed with fierce talons and massive fangs, which was believed to be the Thexian’s true form. There was flightform, a lighter-than-air shape somewhat similar to warform but with larger wings, a smaller body, and an almost ethereal appearance. There was thoughtform capable of emitting bolts of Warp lightning from its semi-corporeal shape. And perhaps most importantly among the myriad forms the Thexians were capable of taking was diplomacyform, their preferred shape when interacting with non-Thexian races, which resembled strangely androgynous humanoids that did not quite resemble either human or eldar.

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>>61863005
Thexian society was organized into groups called aedes, feudal households comprised of a small ruling number of Thexian adults known as the Thexian Elite, their material wealth, other alien species that had sworn fealty to the Thexian Elite, and their immature offspring who had not amassed enough of a horde to become independent yet. Because they reproduced so slowly, less than 15% of the population of the Thexian Trade Empire was composed of Thexians, with the rest representing vassal populations of dozens of minor xenos species including some quasi-legal human populations that were missed by the resettlement or were the descendants of refugees into Thexian space.

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>>61863024
Approximately during the latter half of M34, the Thexian Trade Empire became afflicted with a condition that became known as the Pale Wasting. The Pale Wasting exaggerated the normal Thexian tendency towards greed to extremes, to the point where it became an obsession. The Thexians began hoarding in earnest to attempt to sate this craving, throwing out all reason or subtlety, but no matter how much they hoarded they could never get enough. Eventually, the affliction developed into a physical craving for sustenance as well, turning their bodies growing gaunt and emaciated as they resorted to guzzling blood and shoving gore-filled chunks into their mouth in an effort to quell their bottomless hunger.
It is generally thought that the Pale Wasting was Chaotic in nature, given its corruptive effects and mental deterioration, though those that think so debate whether it was the work of Khorne (because of the hunger for blood and gore), Slaanesh (because of the excess), Nurgle (because it acted like a plague), Tzeentch (because of its strange nature) or all four Ruinous Powers together. If it was, it is possible the Pale Wasting could have been transmitted to the Thexians via the Loxotl, whom the Thexians had some contact with despite the warnings of the Imperium. However, it is not out of the possibility that the Pale Wasting was caused by contact with C’tan/Necron technology or some form of C’tan vampirism.

>>61863060
While humans and other xenos species were immune to the Pale Wasting, they could easily act as carriers transmitting the disease between the Thexian Elite. From there, the Pale Wasting could easily reverse the roles, corrupting the vassals underneath Thexian fealty through their connection to the Thexian Elite. When the Thexian Elite finally shrieked their declaration to go to war, millions of brainwashed thralls responded to their call. The result was all out war between the Thexians and their neighbors, resulting in a massive military response from the Imperium in which more than a dozen Adeptus Astartes chapters were wiped out in the fighting. In the end, as the corruption and Thexian Nightmare Engines wreaked havoc the Thexians and the Pale Wasting could only be stopped by mass-Exterminatus tactics and a scorched earth policy, leaving numerous Dead Worlds across the Ghoul Stars including the sixty or so worlds held by the Thexian Trade Empire.

A few Thexians survived, those immune to the Pale Wasting. Some fought alongside the Imperium, warforms tearing into infected kin with ferocity and thoughtforms banishing Thexian thralls with blasts of Warp lightning. Others fled the conflict, hitching rides on the starships of the Nicassar and hiding where they could. Today, through various quirks of history, most remaining Thexians can be found under the Imperial aegis, mostly as diplomats, traders, advisors, and occasionally members of government. Their numbers are spread so thin that members of the species can go without seeing another one of their kind for more than a century. Some have tried to live outside the Imperium, setting up small fiefdoms that are pale imitations of the aedes once seen throughout the Thexian Trade Empire A few corrupted Thexians afflicted with the Pale Wasting are also still in existence, but thankfully like their uncorrupted counterparts are rare.

>>61863080
The Pale Wasting had several long-term effects on galactic politics. Perhaps the greatest long-term effects of the Pale Wasting was that it helped set the stage for the Imperium to start admitting other races into the Imperium. When debate was raised over the possibility of admitting other races into the Imperium, the Thexians were a prime argument by those in favor of admission. The Thexians had been an advanced, relatively friendly xenos empire, and (in the minds of the pro-Admission advocates after nearly two thousand years of hindsight and nostalgia) the Imperium had left them out in the cold. Such a policy had not only let the Thexians get corrupted by the Pale Wasting, but created a massive interstellar threat that had cost the Imperium a significant amount of lives and resources to contain. If the Thexian Trade Empire were still alive today, they would have been classified Xenos Familiaris with little difficult and would have been easily admitted into the Imperium, so long as efforts were made to prevent Thexian ambition from subverting the functioning of the Imperium, and none of this would have happened.

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>>61863120
The second impact of the Pale Wasting was perhaps more insidious. The Pale Wasting wiped out most of the conventional life in the Ghoul Stars, though it soon became a lawless hellhole filled with little respect for law and order or the conventional laws of physics. Although outside the light of the Astronomican, for many millennia the Space Marine chapters such as the Death Spectres stationed on the edge of the Ghoul Stars did a good job of defending the Imperium’s borders from any threat that might come from the Ghoul Stars. Unfortunately, the northeastern galaxy and the Ghoul Stars in particular had once been the heartland of the Necrontyr Star Empire nearly sixty six million years ago, and the mass extermination of life in the Ghoul Stars meant that there was little opposition and a sizeable buffer from any external power when the surface of many of these “Dead” Worlds cracked open and thousands of Necron warriors rose from beneath the earth in mechanical unlife.

tl;dr: An event where a Xenos civilization the Imperium considered to be "okay" got corrupted by (probably) Chaos and fell, sort of based on the tragedy of the fall of Strygos. The fact that it happened was a later argument for people to say the civilized races of the galaxy can no longer stand alone.

>>61863176
I like it. We can always use more stuff that expands on the other races in the universe, especially since in canon they all just got blammed without many records to go off of. The tragic aspect works well with the setting, though I do wonder about how the race's surviving population is sustainable.

>>61864925
I was thinking it was kind of like the Watchers. Long-lived (though not biologically immortal and virtually mutation immune like the Watchers), but few opportunities to reproduce. The Watchers tend to stick together because they're insular and they only really trust each other and the Unforgiven. Thexians spread out because they are all about getting mad dosh and being clumped up means more competition, especially given their social hierarchy tends to consist of Thexian Elites ruling over a non-Thexian populace. That said, they might be a bit better off than the Watchers since they have more opportunities to .

Plus if they are long-lived and the Pale Wasting happened in M34, only a few generations have really passed since then.

It's possible they might have been declared extinct at one point until survivors began popping up in Tau space and the eastern Fringe, given the Imperium didn't let them in until after M36.

Another race that might be interesting to devlop more are the Enoulians. In canon the violently hate the Imperium to the point they can hardly resist defacing the Aquila. In vanilla the reasons for this would be obvious, but here? Possibly something like a Rogue Trader playing discount Freeza again or enslaving their population. Though their weaponry is extremely eldar-like (shard rifles and monomolecular filament), but that could be the Dark Eldar gave it to them for shits and giggles.

The bigger issue is their hatred is so great in vanilla people are pretty sure they're going to end up falling to Chaos over it. Which raises the thorny issue of whether you pre-emptively wipe out someone who seemingly want revenge on you for something you didn't know happened or Chaos gets new toys.

>>61855907
You mean the various Templar groups? There was already an idea for that that needs to go on the wiki. Or is this something different?

>>61868053

I don´t know if they are the same thing.
The Crusaders are warriors that accompany Inquisitors/Priest acting as bodyguards. They have a training similar to the BS but specialized in mele and individual combat.
I think that can work as they are not an army. As they can be sponsored by different religions, we can have a series of orders with different philosophies/training. Some can be templar-like warriors and other Shaolin-monks. In place of being brainwashed orphans, here they are, people, who have decided left behind their life to defend the believers. They can be are more "paladin" than "black templar"

>>61863176
Well that puts some dark in the nobledark.

>>61863176
I like it. I like it a lot.

>>61866395
Thexian survivors would be rich as they would have inherited quite a lot of their dead's assets or at least been able to scavenge all of the easy to carry shit before the vultures took everything and they had a culture that made them good at business. They would end up as the CEOs of some of the smaller mega-corps (by Imperium's standards) and the lowest of their peasants would be the owners and chairmen of international companies. If they had no traditions of monogamy or were at least willing to put such notions to one side for the cause of survival of the species then they would have a better chance of survival due to their long, long lives. Each pairing in each breeding season being with a different non-related partner would maximise the genetic diversity potential, especially when you can live long enough to fuck a non-relative 7 or 8 generations down the line. And that's not even taking into account artificial gene-stores that could be used to preserve what is left and uncontaminated. The Number of survivors needed to restart the species could actually be very low so long as they are careful.

Enoulians could have been duped into attacking the Imperium by the Bloodpact or similar group and Chaos Eldar masquerading as Imperial forces and doing a credible impersonation of a more Vanilla Imperial Crusade.

They attack the Enoulian Benevolent Commonwealth and take special care to butcher as many of their people on the outer and mid-range colonies whilst leaving much of the machinery and infrastructure intact or only minimally damaged. They then feign crippling losses and "retreat" in the direction of the Imperial Border.

Enoulians get their shit back together, retake their broken colonies and switch to a hyper-militarized war economy. They had defeated the Imperium once when they were just trying to live, they could sure as shit rectally ravage them if they were geared up for a fight.

>>61870894
They are also contacted by a lesser kabal of Dark Eldar who hadn't been involved with the original shenanigans but thought it was fucking hilarious. They claim to be a group of poor refugee descendant eldar who had broken away from the Imperium some centuries prior to live in peace and freedom and had been mercilessly hounded and persecuted as a result also we will give you shit loads of weapons if you send all the POWs our way.

Enoulian fleets and armies, freshly augmented by Dark Eldar tech and weapons and thirsty for blood, come screaming out of the Halo Stars into the Imperium. They don't open channels, they don't demand surrender they just start killing as soon as they are in range to do so. Imperial authorities are totally unprepared for this. They knew about the Enoulians in a "those amphibian people out rimward. They're a thing". There hadn't really been any direct contact due to them being slightly out of the Atronomican's range and they hadn't been a bother to anyone.

Enoulian Benevolent Commonwealth gets the early kills in at slightly less than estimated cost in lives and ships, exterminating entire star systems of Imperial citizens but leaving much of their things intact, repaying in kind what had been done to them. They intended, as they believe the "Imperium" intended, to colonize those mass graves and they would take Imperial worlds as compensation for the miseries heaped upon them unprovoked.

Meanwhile Cronedar and DEldar are giggling like little school girls about the whole thing.

Then the Imperial response arrives. The Enoulians then realize the depths of their strategic miscalculations. Those weren't Imperial war fleets they were sinking, those were border patrols, pirate deterrents, private security assets and convoy guards. And then the doubts start because these ships are only a little like the ones that scoured their worlds and if ships like this had done so they wouldn't still have a Commonwealth.

>>61871015
And they fought and they fought and they fought until the sky bled red and the suns wept and they fought and were driven back and they fought and were slaughtered, their dead buried in mass graves, their bodies drifting in the cold void beyond number, their lines pushed back and further back and further back still to the old homeworld and there they planned to die and sell their lives dear and die hard to buy time for the fleets of civilian ships loaded with the seeds from which to regrow to escape. Their elders who could keep the stories alive, the small hatchlings and eggs that would be the Enoulian Exiled and the wisest and most loving of their people to raise them and there the crushing fist of the Imperium halted from the killing blow and hung there in the inky black before the line of rag tag and half broken ships.

The Imperium had not been mindless in it's destructing and with ever battle, every, victory, every frothing at the mouth survivor they had been piecing together what had happened. Lord General Mauryon, Autarch of Craftworld Biel-tan and veteran of a hundred campaigns demanded that the leader of the Commonwealth meet with him on a small ship he had parked directly between the two fleets that they might discuss this whole sorry business. The Enoulians agreed but possibly the Enoulians were desperate and latching on to any hope no matter how slim for their world's survival or possibly they just saw it as a method of buying a little more time. For whatever reason the High Overseer agreed to the meeting.

Mauryon was no diplomat but as the head of a force outnumbering the opposition ten to one at the least he didn't really have to be.

>>61871504
He pointed out the blatantly obvious fact that had those original skirmishes been a genuine invasion effort the name Enoulian would be a footnote in a history book and he showed the High Overseer the evidence of the deceptions and pointed out the strength of the hammer that was coming down and offered a choice; fight and be defeated, the homeworld made into an imperial frontier world, his soldier slain, his civilians subjugated and his children raised to be loyal citizens of the Imperium. The other option was surrender and the Imperium would offer the had of brotherhood, they would assist in the rebuilding of their worlds, in the reconstruction of their fleets, in the shoring up of the border defences until such a time as the Enoulian people could again stand strong on their own webbed feet and in twenty years the two of them would meet in this place once more and maybe they would drink fine wine and discuss membership rights as a Survivor Civilization.

Twenty years to the very hour Mauryon of Beil-Tan met the now grey skinned High Overseer of the Commonwealth and brought with him a gift. The bound and gagged leader of the Croneworlders whose malice had brought such misery to the Enoulians and with him some of his surviving courtiers and functionaries. Their deaths, to the credit of the Enoulians, was not a drawn out spectacle but it was a public one.

To this day the Enoulians are some of the most fanatical combatants ever to fight in and alongside the Imperial Army. To them is often the honour of first the blood. When they were first deceived they were a peaceful people eternally grateful for their location on the arse end of nowhere but the war has come to their doorstep and they now have fire in place of their lost innocence.

>>61871687

Damn. Suitably dark and yet... slightly hopeful I guess, at the same time. I like it.

>>61871687

If I may suggest a title for this excellent piece: "The Enoulian War, or: Another war for nothing" or "Bloodied Innocence". Are anyone of those suitably dark?

>>61871799
Another War for Nothing sounds good

>>61860847
They had human farms but now they don't. Back in Russ' day they used to keep a breeding population around because it was 1 or 2 brains to a body. Now it's a network of bodies per brain and sometimes the brain has been transferred to a chunk of bio-plastic as the organic component degrades. They don't want population growth because the old folks who are made of bio-plastic are fully digital and this is seen as a normal part of the life cycle so almost every Olamic will end up there which is going to strain resources if population grows too fast.

they won't make full A.I. from wholecloth at all because they, like Mars, remember the Iron Wars.

If they need a new citizen then they can grow a clone in a jar, raise it to be like them and harvest the brain when it turns 18. This is rarely done.

>>61873340
Add to that a towering sense of superiority. The composite brains in a jar thing could have been what they had ruling them when the Imperium first encountered them. Now they have a mildly schizophrenic Totally-Not-An-A.I.-Overlord made in the image of that hideous mass of grey matter and gold threads. There may even have been a direct continuation of progressive upgrades that made it how it is.

It's not actually all that smarter than the average human but can multi-task better and has a broader knowledge base. It is though a sadistic and cruel asshole of almost DEldar levels of awful. It's one saving grace is that it hates Chaos but only because it will suffer no rival gods.

>>61873340
>>61873663
The mention of Ljot's Landing we had said the Quietude don't leave survivors. It could be that the reason for that is they are harvesting the brains of the Imperial worlds they depopulate for processing power, wiping them by cutting them up with lasers or some other methods and using them as cogitators. I don't know if we said they leave bodies but if they do it might look like how alien cattle mutilations are often characterized: bodies cut up but cleanly so and their wounds reeking on antiseptics and disinfectants to the point where the bodies don't decay until months after the fact.

It's a rather twisted form of mercantilism comparable to Europeans exploiting foreign lands for resources, when all of the resources in society have been used up and society stagnates the obvious option to many societies is to take them from someone else. It's just in this case it's processing power via brains instead of gold, wood, or cash crops.

It also contrasts with the other technologically-advanced robot conquistadors, the Necrons, who are mostly indifferent to other races and just see them in the way. As an actual post-scarcity society all they want is for people to get off their lawn and to restore the glory of the Star Empire, and they care little about how many or how few people have to die to make that happen.

Of course, having said this out loud, if the Olamics can clone why would they even bother?

>>61874200
Clones have hideously bad luck. Nobody knows why. They would have to be spliced from several individuals, two at least, and grown to maturity. Not that this would take up much additional resources. It could be that they are taking foreign brains and cutting out the personality but keeping the memories and they are gathering knowledge on what the Imperium is doing. To them it might not even be that much of a taboo as they see the brain as just a computer component.

They seem to be amoral and even pride themselves on being amoral.

On the other hand the Olamics are possibly insane, at least be normal people standards. They might be head cracking because it upsets the Fenrisians and the composite consciousness that is Dear Leader enjoys doing so because it was so fun to vivisect the Wolves of the North diplomatic team back when.

>>61871799
I'd vote for Another War for Nothing

>>61874634
Sorry, when I said clone I meant vat-grow. The same thing the Imperium uses to make servitors and cogitator components and the AdMech uses to make new people quite frequently.

And the Vitae-Womb, but that's mostly a Krieger thing that makes even the AdMech sick.

>>61875101
The Vitae-Womb might annoy the AdMech because it literally is cloning and due to the potential for catastrophe when bad luck happens on a gargantuan scale it absolutely is outlawed under the law of Olympus Mons. Therefore it's probably not a Mars approved brotherhood that is responsible. AdMech still supply Krieg with equipment because of the war effort.

How does Krieg get away with the bad luck? Because it only works when you clone a living person. Kriegers are all cloned from the preserved corpses of those that died or fought at the closing of their 500 year nuclear civil war. In essence there has only been one generation since the last nuke fell, they've just been recycling it.

Either that or their lives are naturally so shit nobody can tell the difference.

>>61856165
The other major faith groups and theocracy ruled worlds pretty much all do it under one name or another so it's not like it's unique to Ophelia and the Katholians. Tallarn has no clear distinction between military, civilian or religion for example and Fenris has it's Valkyries.

Bamp

>>61870894
>>61871015
>>61871504
>>61871687
How big should the Enoulian Benevolent Commonwealth have been before the shit show? How big was it afterwards?

>>61870894
They could potentially even be hermaphroditic for all we know.

>>61871687
I like it. I especially like how it points out that despite ending on a hopeful note, a lot of people ended up dying before it got to that point (noble AND dark). And it points out things still aren't all that great for the Enoulians, having lost their innocence.

Also Biel-Tan for the win actually managing to diplomatize.

If anything I would suggest fleshing out the beginning just a little bit. It focuses a lot on how things got quasi-fixed but not how they were broken in the first place.

>>61871799
>>61872557
>>61874957
Fourthing Another War for Nothing.

>>61875824
It could possibly explain why Kriegers are so weird, their minds described as "cold steel boxes" and their behavior almost robotic (in terms of obedience, stoicism, and laconism), the cloning stretching the soul thin. Nobody notices the catastrophic misfortune because Kriegers die all the time anyway.

>>61877360
Valkyries aren't a religion group IIRC. They either answer to the Imperium or the High King of Fenris (or both, one on paper and one in actuality). The Fylkir of Fenris does have the ear of the High King, but there's a degree of separation between the Fylkir and the Valkyries and the High King can tell the Fylkir to sod off (they have killed each other over disagreements in the past).

The only groups that actually cross the line are the AdMech (who break rules all the time anyway), the eldar (who point out the entire Imperium is a theocracy from their perspective), and potentially one or two of the minor xenos races. Possibly the Tau as well, since nearly all Tau follow the Tau'va.

>>61880276
I would say not big. They had star travel, but there wasn't much of a reason to expand into space. The Halo Stars are either very scattered or clumped, so expansion isn't as attractive.

For their culture I keep thinking something vaguely Celtic/Wood Elf/eastern North American Native American-like given their penchant for ambushes and simple robes and clothing. Though in that case I'm not sure how best to differentiate them from Exodites, Saim-Hann, and Tarellians.

what is Kryptman's opinion on Terranis? Or the Emperor and Isha's on that matter?

>>61882757
They would probably all be happy that the planet didn't turn into 'nid food but the idea that the best way to defeat the tyranids would be to turn everyone into Kriegers would be a rather disturbing one. For Kryptman especially, since the idea of basically becoming the tyranids to defeat the tyranids would be disgusting and he would have a first hand look at the kind of arguments people are making in the Imperial Army that soldiers need to be more like Krieg. The Emperor and Isha, well, as benevolent as they are they are somewhat distant from the politics you see in the Imperium unless someone messes up bad, and they feel they can always bring the banhammer down if need be. They wouldn't feel as threatened by the suggestion of "everyone needs to act more like Krieg" that some people are bandying around.

We've mentioned in the past that offworlders from the Imperial Army, commissars and have been sent to Krieg in an attempt to socially engineer the Kriegers to be less suicidal and increase the gene pool a bit. Almost every one of them ends up getting ground down by the sheer despair and banality of Krieg and the stubborness of the Kriegers until they are only slightly different in temprament from the Kriegers around them.

>>61875824
So was the Merikan John Doe vatborn program Fulgrimfag introduced supposed to be a proto-Krieger thing?

>>61885623
Depends on what exactly the Kriegers are doing.

>>61885623
It seems to be fairly common, Ferrus was born the same way. And Belisarius Cawl popped off a people tree. The difference between them and Kriegers being instead of being mass-produced batches, they were varied and basically just in-vitro grown. There's some degree of individual value there, even if in Ferrus' case most people didn't make the cut and got...recycled.

>>61882757
>>61884769

Most people will be a more than a little perplexed with the Derivations. Even kriegs will not understand what the fuck has happened. They have survived an impossible situation. Yeah, they seem like the standard Kriegers, but they are not. Remember that they don´t have vitae-wombs. They have families and a home that they love. Where the kriegers are a bunch of nihilistic fellows, these guys just plain and simple has adapted to a death world. They probably fight with tactical acumen as an attrition war against nids is a fucking nightmare. They hold the line an then return with their families. True, like the kriegers there aren´t civilians in their culture... but they have a culture, is only that their is extremely militarized, and that is not that rare in the ND galaxy. They have a lot in common with other deathworlders troops like the Catachans, that just plain simple has adapted. Esencially, a less sugary version of the guys from Love and Krieger.

>>61886164
In much more the same way that Angry Marines are an in-universe cartoon I can see Love and Krieg being an in-universe romantic film.

>>61886311

This can ad weird comedic moments. Most people can know of the film, but think, that is fiction. Think in the surprise of a guardsman that discover that his favorite fim is based in reality and meet a cute krieger-chan. Of course this guy is stupid and when she compalin to the commisard he will end with a big WTF? or the woman just follow the joke, because he is weirdly cute.

>>61886473
The Derivatives would probably be perplexed by the film.

>>61887222
I think they would mostly be concerned with "why is that civilian allowed to wear an imitation soldiers uniform, that's against the law" and "why isn't everyone in the deepest of shit for against regulations fraternalization?"

Not that they are against off-hours fraternization. Just not in the manner that is depicted as it could compromise the chain of command. And of course a commissar isn't allowed to bonk any serving personnel, they have to use civilians for that.

Everything else was pretty accurate even if all people involved and the exact events had a less than 1:1 parity with the report backlog heap that the Imperial Army got dumped with when contact was re-established.

>>61886311
>>61886473
>>61887222

Perplexed can be an underestimation. The film can be a galactic succes based in the real fight of Terranis. Soon all want to meet "Krieger-chan" and actress that never ever meet a Derivation or even set a foot in Terranis. The commisariat decided that a series of guardwomen-chan series of motivational posters is a good idea. Then cata-chan and karskin-chan appear. The myth about the cute, silent Kriegers extend. And we have cosplayers, toys etc etc etc. All the time with the Derivations thinking WTF?!

>Krieg-chan
>comissariat-approved cosplay and posters

>>S-sir? Why am I wearing this 'outfit' again, sir? It's completely impractical, not even supplying the b-barest protection-!

>>It helps with recruitment drive. Now just stand still so I can take a photo of you! (Definitely not going to save some for myself or anything!)

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>>61887766
The governments of every single one of the worlds that have had representation in the [planet_name]-chan series have decried it as in poor taste/insulting/derogatory/unfair stereotyping/illegal and various other strongly worded complaints.

The one exception being Catachan for two main reasons. Firstly Catachan only has a global government on paper. Secondly, and more importantly, the Catachan women have no complaints with because all most men see is the physique of the model that was used rather than all that many identifying features. To this end many women of Catachan try to claim that they are Cata-chan to get free drinks among other things.

>>61887826
>With Karskin-chan
>>SIR! I RECOMMEND WE DUCK AND COVER IMMEDIATELY! ANOTHER BARRAGE IS-HYAA!
>>(Sees the dirt and mud splatter all over her APPROPRIATELY) THAT'S IT! KEEP DOING SO! *snaps lots of photo*


> Meanwhile, with Cata-chan

>>Hey ya little shite - just what did you want me to do, would ya like to repeat? *crushes the camera with her abs, while head-locking the commissar with her arm*
>>(Keep doing this please, Cata-chan!) *whimpers* Nothing...

>>61887766

Ok, this is a pair of stupid ideas for an in-universe show:

1-Cata-chan, Karskin-chan, and Krieger-chan are recruited by a totally-not-Eldrad mysterious patron to investigate in his name.

2-A girl cosplaying as a Krieger is "recruited" by a Krieger regiment(She obviously is one of them) comedic-romantic situations ensures.

>>61885972
It can't be direct cloning of living individuals or the unnatural bad luck build up would have wiped them all out.

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>>61887872
There is no Cadia-Chan. They tried but there was no room for her in the widespread public consciousness because Jubblowski already was filling that role.

>>61882757
Kryptman thinks of them as great examples and excellent recruitment stock.

>>61890129

Fuck! I forget!

That only left us with
Commisar-chan Vostroya-chan Tallarn-chan Sister-chan Mars-chan etc etc etc

>>61890855

Terranis derivations must be absolutily fantastic. The devotion of the Kriegers. Tactical acumen. Don´t need/care about the Admech. Probably partial inmunity to nids toxins. Smell genesteelers cults and probably know like a million of recipes to eat them. Kryptman will love them! They are the childs that never fathered. Probably Terranis is the only place in that he can feel like home.

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>>61891036
Adepta Securitas-Chan would be /fit/ wheyfu

>>61891111
I'd say that they do still care about the AdMech as someone was maintaining their vehicles and equipment in their Years of Siege. And it's possible that the AdMech like the Derivatives of Terranis more than the Krieg born Kriegers because although they don't have the same inhuman and mechanical efficiency they also don't use Vitae-Wombs which is a more than an acceptable trade off as far as the Doctrine of Mars is concerned.

The rest of the Imperium, or at least those that have met them and have a basis for comparison, prefer dealing with the Derivatives of Terranis more than the pure breed Kriegers because they are more human in their outlook whist still maintaining the performance of the pure breeds thus getting most of the best of both worlds.

Terranis went through ~30 years of siege hell. Culturally there aren't any pure Terranians left and it's probably that in another few generations there won't be any genetically pure Terranians either, especially with the enthusiasm they are intermingling with the ever so dependable Kriegers and Derivatives.

And Kriegers of Krieg on Krieg are looking at the Terranian Kriegers and the Derivatives and deep down they almost all want a piece of that even if they are afraid to admit it. It is the rain and it will wash away their sins.

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>>61893506
It may have even been that the 'nid siege was a race against time based on how much materiel they had left versus how much biomass the 'nids had. You can only have so much explosives to blow up the drinking straws and you are essentially playing chicken as imagined by Dorn and Perturabo where either the hive ships starve to death or you run out of bombs. And from the state the Navy found them in it's likely the 'nids would have won that battle of attrition given the hive ships were weakened but not dead while the Terranians were...not doing well.

The AdMech is probably really happy they stopped using the Vitae Wombs though.

It does highlight a rather funny weakness in the tyranids though. When the tyranids begin to digest the planet most of their biomass, including the warrior forms, is tied up in the digesting pools. The Hive Mind can't give commands to the pools like it can to the hive ships and bioforms so the ground is being held by a skeleton crew. In theory by this point all non-tyranid life on the planet is dead anyway so it doesn't matter. But if not...well you get Terranis, and all the Hive Mind can do to compensate is pupate new bioforms out of the rippers lying around.

If it were a larger Hive Fleet that could spare more resources Terranis would have been in big trouble.

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>>61894719
It's also possible that they were having to improvise fresh explosives from tyranid bodily fluids. Some of those are pretty volatile, use the homebrew for the artillery and mines, use the vintage stock for the big shit like the capillary towers and dread the day when you have to try and make a 'nid snot bob big enough take one of those fucking things out. It won't let shit last indefinitely unless you can also make the artillery shell of out actual shells (maybe they can) but it could help you last a lot longer.

Which is not to say that the Terranians would have it their own way. The 'nids are nothing if not adaptive and although they can't stop making volatile mucus and still have useful weapons they wouldn't be limited to ripper variants. After the first few failed attempts to eat the bastion cities and the thining of the ground forces the Hive mind will either send down one or more Norn Queens to spawn an army locally to cut down on travel time and extending resources on space-to-ground pods or they are going to start spawning legitimate creatures rather than weapons. SHit with digestive systems and reproductive organs and the ability to survive for extended periods of time. This is also assuming that the Terranians absolutely salted all the earth everywhere when the planet became irretrievably tyrannoformed. Which they probably did quite effectively because when it comes to fucking up a planet down all the way back to pre-terraformed state whilst still living on it the Kriegers have prior experience.

'Nid fleet can't go because it'll starve to death in transit if it can't recover the expended bio-matter and it can't do that until the bio-matter stops planting IEDs on it's drinking straws and gets digested properly. Maybe if it hadn't been so effort/resource conservative when it first arrived shit would have gone down different but it had no way of knowing the tried and tested maximum efficiency method would be insufficient this time.

>>61895064

Weirdly Terramis must be a lot like Krieg, but with spots of light. Everybody is masked and uniformed, and then you see this mini-kriegers giggling. All is dusty and gloomy but you hear music in the distance. And old and crippled Krieger that somehow has survived is telling tales about the wider Imperium. They are survivors that don´t lose the hope in the face of an unbeatable enemy. If people send to Krieg end depressed, in Terranis find what really means being an imperial citizen. They will never surrender, not even faced with the Armageddon, because they are the last light in the galaxy.

Now that the nids danger has passed, The only true resource is a lot of experienced badass soldiers. So they, like Catachans fight because his people back home need the resources.

Fuck... I am getting romantic.

>>61896240
It's only been 30 years so most of the more durable and non-organic shit from their old civilization will be left behind. They can salvage to get a boost with the whole rebuilding society thing for short term gains but the planet is going to need the attention of the AdBio for terraforming work. Thankfully it still has a breathable atmosphere so there must be enough normal biological action in the sea and soil at the microscopic level to sustain it. Maybe it won't take that long. Give it 30 years and the toxins will have broken down and planting of plants to see what will grow and what won't can start. 30 years after that and the background radiation will be getting low enough across the least nuked areas to be considered "almost safe". 30 years after that and it will only be the worst salted areas that are no-go.

In 200 years Terranius could be a Civilized/Agri-world with good martial traditions. Not long after that and they can be paying full tithe rates.