>>63747508
>It makes you wonder how much autonomy the Revered Mother has.
>The Commissariat is probably different in her mind as it's still proper soldiering to her and therefore superior to all other institution by virtue of being the backbone of the Imperium to which all the others are just add-ons.
>Possibly if she chooses her own partners they get annoyed but not to the extent that they would try and stop her as then she might go to a different order.

I remember two related things that we mentioned with Jubblowski. The first was after the assassination attempt by Dorhai the Administratum or somebody wanted to get Jubblowski better protected or something. They staged an intervention, which didn’t work as she chewed them out and something like a third of them were her own children. Jubblowski has a lot of children in high places in the military and Administratum. Jubblowski isn’t too happy with her position, it keeps her from ever serving on the front lines as a soldier which as a Cadian she finds kind of shameful. She’s not letting people take her last avenue of service from her, least of all her children (Isha approves this message).

The other was when Eldrad put in a request for a liaison. Jubblowski isn’t into eldar, she told him to piss off and the Church of the Helix Star reworded her response more politely that it was a denial on the grounds that it would be a waste of everyone’s time. Eldrad said it wouldn’t be a waste of his time. It’s not that Eldrad’s into humans either, he does that with everyone as part of his “Foxy Grandpa” thing and part of the reason he wanted to do it was if he ever got any lip from some uppy human Administratum adept he could tell them “I fucked your mom” and mean it.

I can try to go through the old threads and find the relevant bits.

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>>63744753
>>63743439
Aun’Va has been hiding from Oscar because he assumes that Oscar would want to kill him if he knew what he was because he thinks he would see Aun’Va as a threat to his authority and power.

It’s not that Aun’Va would personally do the same if he was in Oscar’s position, but it’s what Va assumes others in his position might try to do. Va’s been around since the Tau medieval era when that kind of thing was considered acceptable practice. Heck, his mentor Da was slated to be purged just because he was a court scholar associated with a dynasty whose successor didn’t like their predecessor. Aun’Va is running on realpolitik when in reality the worst he’d have to worry about are crushed ribs from a hug that would make Vulkan proud. Oscar would love to have another immortal who has gone through the same things, Isha is great but at the end of the day she is one person with one set of opinions, and a much more godly, noblesse oblige view of the world than Oscar sees.

It also shows the contrast between Va and Da. Va we’ve said despite trying to emulate his mentor is noticeably more neurotic and base a lot of his actions on “What would Da do”. He’s constantly unsure if he’s living up to his mentor’s ideals. Va is all business, whereas if Da had lived long enough to meet the Imperium he’d be hanging around with Eldrad swapping dirty old man jokes.

To be frank, the Golden ending for this timeline is Oscar is the Emperor, Isha as the Empress, and Aun’Va as the Imperial grand vizier being Malcador 2.0. The Emperor gets another sounding board to bounce ideas off of, the Royal Court get another asset to help organize things, and the Tau get their voice at the highest levels of imperial government. Potentially everyone wins unless somebody fucks it up.

>>63752624
In popular media all non-Cadian aristocrats and governors with purple eyes are children or grandchildren of Jubblowski. This is a massive exaggeration, but it is true she is the common ancestor of a lot of people and is the reason for a trickle of Cadian genes in a lot of gene-pools. She's ~400 years old and been having a child every two years on average, bar twins (which have occurred at the usual rate) almost all of her children have had a different father, often on a different world, usually to members of the highest local authority. The contents of Jubblowski's Sanguinala card list would, if consolidated and exploited, represent a major dynasty in it's own right. This has not occurred to her because she doesn't think like that.

Also there have been other eldar of accomplishment including Prince Yriel wishing to "spend some time" with her or even offering more permanent arrangements as she, as a living icon blessed by Isha, is the ultimate status symbol. they have all received politely worded letters explaining that it's never going to happen.

>>63752734
There's also the problem of what his own people would say having been lied to for so long.

What are the lesser C'tan doing.

>>63754346
There's also the possibility that they won't care, may even see it as a good thing. His voice would be the absolute law in interpretation of scripture. He may fear that most of all.

>>63752624
How many colony worlds do the Cadians have and how do the Cadians view her? Ish she a source of shame or pride to them?

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>>63756123
For all their similarities he might see humanity as having stagnated and while Oscar may be personable enough his presence may have made humanity complacent.

>>63758596
Oscar is old. Really fucking old. He's seen 5 Roman Empires come and go and a little bit more. He knows the importance of a solid Foundation upon which to build.

Did anyone save how the Prometheans were structured?

>>63756938
Well, Cadia and Ulthwe are pretty culturally close, so the approval of the Imperial fertility goddess probably isn't a shame. Maybe not their ideal paragon on Cadia itself, but the mother of the army might have a pretty big following in the Cadian colonies, which might consider themselves Cadia's children.

>>63758596
>>63759236
Yeah, this is more how I imagine them. They have a decent, personable relationship, even trust each other as much as is possible between the leader of an empire and the de facto leader of one of its protectorates, but they will continue to differ in political philosophy and outlook, in disposition, in personal history, with no true melding of ways in sight for the two immortals. Much the same, the Greater Good and the creed of Imperial Civilization are compatible, but not at all unitary.

I just realized something somewhat humorous, that Va would likely actually need to do something noteworthy and publicly acclaimed, if not every nominal lifetime for fear of being conspicuous, then frequently enough that the current leadership will remember the last "esteemed member of his line" and accept his latest identity into the fold. There might even be a whole family tree drawn up to catalog this lineage, even give some explanation to its numerous cousins, little reported sons, etc. that have sometimes become prominent. Except in reality its all one dude.

>>63752734
Might actually be interesting to go over what variously immortal characters we have in the Imperial orbit besides the various gods. There's Oscar, Aun'Va, Nemesor Zandrekh, Obeyron, and the courtiers of Gidrim, to a less friendly but similarly involved extent Trayzn and the court of Solomance, possibly Eldrad if he attains some kind of apotheosis/just doesn't ever die, and maybe a smattering of indefinitely long-lived rare cases at the top of Imperial/AdMech/AdBio transhuman tech. Lucius isn't really in the Imperial camp, but he's definitely not with any other side, and as a ancient vampire he's fairly immortal, though maybe not as much as he would like. Then there are rumors and legends of immortality regarding all of the primarchs, but most pointedly Horus, Fulgrim, and Ferrus in some circles, and in others Vulcan, Magnus, and of course the Lion.

bumop

Is anything written about the gods of Mordia?

>>63760083
Did we develop that? All I was aware of was discussion of their general flavor

>>63763676
Va, for all that happened to the Tau under his watch, never stopped them from self-determining. Push them along here or there or use his knowledge to help incoming threats, yes, but always from the shadows. The Emperor on the other hand has become somewhat of a crutch to human society. This is exactly what Oscar did not want. He wanted a centralized authority because he thought mankind needed to be united to face external threats and he didn't want wedges to be driven between human groups to create an "us versus them" mentality. Which is one reason he reacted so poorly to Horus' idea. And although he wanted humanity to take a reality check he never wanted to be in charge. As one can see by the fact that Oscar’s role in government is mostly to serve an executive function by removing people from power if they get too stupid.

On the one hand the Imperium has had profound social stability yet retained a significant amount of societal mobility (at least in certain areas, dipshit nobles still exist) atypical of such societies given Oscar’s extreme, consistent focus on meritocracy due to being first-generation “nobility”. On the other hand, in many ways humanity has gotten very complacent. People just take the current governmental system for granted and few are trying to find better systems in the way that the tau are. Imperial society just plain doesn’t know what to do without the Emperor around, look at the Age of Apostasy where he got shoved on the throne and how we described how poorly the Imperium would react to Oscar’s death. On the other other hand one could argue that these problems are just as much the result of external pressure than internal pressure. Some factors are just outside of Oscar’s control, like the need for astropaths (which require him). On the other other other hand I might be a genestealer.

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>>63768941 (cont.)
Va might feel Oscar has made himself too critical in the functioning of his people. Something that was entirely unintentional on Oscar’s part and he may well reluctantly agree with. That and Va might think Oscar has lost touch with the common person.

Oscar's issue is while he doesn't want to be in charge he hates seeing people do it wrong. Notice how the easiest way to get him to drop all the self-doubt is to show him people acting cruel and/or stupid and all of a sudden he turns into a stone-faced, exacting Old Testament not-god. It makes him temporarily drop all the internal doubt because SOMETHING IS WRONG and SOMEONE HAS TO FIX IT I SWEAR TO TESLA.

>Except in reality its all one dude.
It always helps when you're a bureaucrat by birth and helped write half of the laws.

We mentioned that as in canon when Aun'Va was being examined "when...asked a question, he would already give the responder the answer". In this timeline it's because he's getting sick of the proceedings having done it hundreds of times, to the point where he's claiming his current incarnation has an unusual compatibility with rejuvenants just because he is sick of starting over so often.

>>63767598
Nothing yet.

>>63768639
There was something about the structure two threads ago. It's mentioned on the suptg blurb and probably needs to go on the Notes page, I don't know how well fleshed out it is.

>>63768981
Va is probably getting to the point that the whole deception feels like an unsustainable charade, particularly in light of the closer relationship with the Imperium, but isn't sure when or if an optimal moment to drop it or truly retire will come.

>>63768981
It's not that they are doing it wrong, being wrong is something people do and he can't hate them for it, it's that with the Imperium under siege and it's people so threatened like never before they can't afford it. The stakes are too high, if civilisation falls now it will never recover possibly to the end of time.

Did we ever decide on what the Octo-Humans looked like?

>>63768639
From what I remember it was that each of the priests had a congregation in a specific area and each bishop was a priest who organized the other priests in a larger area. So far so Katholian in structure. This is where it ends for the most part.

Beyond bishop there is no further hierarchy. A group of bishops could elect one of their number to speak for them and hold authority over the other bishops as needed with the title being some variation of Archbishop, Primus Inter Pares or Episcopusex or some other title meaning top priest. When the need for a unified front abated the title was dissolved in all cases.

Council to determine who gets elected typically consisted of the priests of the effected congregations with the most senior
(years ordained, not age) overseeing the proceedings under the semi-informal title of inter-pontifex. They would then argue who was the least unworthy with a tally of sins and transgressions and the one scoring the lowest getting the job. This having the odd tendency to push forward young leaders who would then, to avoid looking foolish, take on at least a few of their older peers as advisors. In theory it combines youthful vigor with the wisdom of age for whatever emergency called them all together.

Beneath the priest is the acolyte who will learn from his priest to one day be ordained a priest in his own right. Beneath them are the lay-brothers and sisters of the congregation who live in the good Promethean Way.

Beyond this there is great variation as each priest within a diocese in regards to procedure despite adhering to the same scriptures and great variation between diocese. For the most part Promethean Preachers are autonomous.

Many of the priesthood are identified by the branding marks that are traditionally applied in sacrament ceremonies and ordination, traditional but not obligatory. Many branches of the faith do not allow the ordination of women, but some do and there is a recognized minority of priestesses.

>>63771834
Besides "something out of All Tomorrows", not really

>>63771834
>>63774713
Flat with lots of tentacles. Remember their whole thing in canon was the Imperium contacted them thinking they were a normal population, they were a highly civilized people who were eager to rejoin humanity, the Imperium freaked the fuck out when they saw they were shambling tentacled things and nuked the place. Only for it to turn out they were abhumans who had devolved but remained technologically advanced, not xenos or Chaos spawn, and the Imperium had destroyed two STC printouts in doing so.

>>63775070
I also remember that they were aquatic. If they are flat it could be because they don't have many bones left, the water supports them.

>>63775070
What printouts did the Octoploids have? It's actually pretty fun to imagine them that way, as extremely physiologically removed but shockingly normal when it came to post-Old Night Survivor Civs. It can highlight the more extreme transhumanism underlying the deceptively familiar seeming Men of Stone in the Imperium at large, as pronounced in them as the other children of the GaBHD, as well as the shared heritage between Human worlds despite hugely disparate conditions.

I'd really like to add in that they had a fairly orthodox uncontacted forgeworld in their home system, loyal and faithful to the OMB in the subsequent millenia, but as one might expect, full of Octo-mechanicus.

>>63776882
Whatever it was it's mostly lost now, they got Orked and Chaosed before they joined the Imperium. Also their non-standard body plan was not by their own hand. During Old Night the Chaos Eldar visited them on occasion and dispersed tailored viruses that altered the genetics in such a way that their children would be born with mutations, but never anything that could impair them mentally. That would spoil the fun of them knowing that they were wretched.

They visited them every few generations and introduced new mutations, seeing how hideous and amusingly pathetic they could make the population and it still be functional.

Why were they doing this? No reason, they just thought it would be funny.

>>63777072
>Whatever it was it's mostly lost now, they got Orked and Chaosed before they joined the Imperium.
Is that canon/Nobledark canon? It'd be nice to have some octomen swimming around the Imperium's aquatic worlds; the fact that they're Bog-Standard Human™ in thought but certainly not in body would do great to contrast them with the more alien groups of baseline humanity, such as Kriegers and the like. Maybe an alien or sheltered human is surprised to find themselves relating better to an octoman (octoperson?) much better than they do one of the supposedly human groups mentioned previously.

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>>63778471 here; had some bathroom thoughts on Octopersons

First off, the name should be deliberate. I like to think that's what they call themselves out of self-deprecating humour, or maybe even a badge of pride- sure, they don't look like baseline humans, but they think they are and that's what counts as far as they're concerned. If you have a problem with that, then said problem is yours and yours alone, buddy.

They're also not really octopoid in form, but more like cuttlefish- while they do have an octopoid webbed ring of tentacles around their mouths (contrary to popular opinion even among them, these are mutated lips, not arms), their trunk is similar to that of a cuttlefish's, especially the two pairs of side fins (which is where the arms and legs went). They can change colour, but only to skin tones native to baseline humanity, so varying shades of pink to dark brown, basically.

They do have enough strength and inner support to walk around on land, but it is very uncomfortable, and those who do so regularly are the "TOTALLY MAXTREME TO THE EDGE!!!'™ kinds of masochists. That said, they do have their own liquid-filled ships, but the difficulty of assembling and crewing these ships makes them a rarity in the Imperium.

Despite their obviously inhuman looks, as mentioned they're otherwise not psychologically very different from normal humans, even though they live in very different environments; the biggest differences are in language (having an obviously aquatic bent to things), not behaviour.

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>>63778471
Sorry that was clumsy of me. I meant that their shit got ruined and irreparably broken but they survived and were brought under the aegis of the Imperium.

Presumably therefore they are still around but given how they look everyone assumes that they are some sort of xeno. They don't mind, they know how they look and totally understand.

Also I done a thing

https://pastebin.com/ki7z3ad6

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>>63778730
Did the AdBio ever try to repair them.

>>63779578
I suppose they must have, but by the time the AdBio got to them the mutations were just too ingrained within the Octopersons' genetic code. Ironically, it would have been like trying to devolve a human back into an fish while retaining their mind- it would have been extremely labour and resource intensive, and ultimately caused nothing but suffering to whoever they tried it on as they removed said subject from an environment they were comfortable in into one they were only theoretically prepared for.

>>63777072
>>63779775
The mutation complex might have been induced to its present level by Crones (or a mad Iron Mind that might have invited its new friends from the warp) amusing themselves, but it seems worth noting that the effect would have been achieved by fiddling with the fairly advanced wetware already installed in the human population, rather than direct warp influence. As we have noted, though extreme, this is a physiologically stable abhuman population.

>>63780400
That could work- it'd explain why the mutations are stable, and why the AdBio would be able to reverse it, at least with their most advanced technologies and techniques. It's just that everyone's generally better off not really wanting to. Maybe it would rankle the younger Octopersons a little to be considered just another xenos race by the greater galaxy, but eh, that's the way life is sometimes.

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Do we have anything on the Tzeentchian academies in the webway beyond their existence?

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>>63785325
The only thing we had on them was in thread 16, where we talked about how the high concept for them was as a general parody of academia and ivory-tower pseudo-philosophy and the insane rambling that can come out of those institutions at their worst. The quotes in question are linked below.

>53205312
>I'm thinking that the Tzeentchian Croneworlders should be sort of a parody of ivory-tower intellectualism and incomprehensible philosophy, especially postmodernism/deconstructionism.
>Trying to communicate with a University is often an exercise in frustration, as they all have private languages and even once those are deciphered their conversation is still generally incomprehensible, consisting of obscure referents to that University's unique conception of metaphysics. That is, of course, assuming they haven't decided their old language was hopelessly obsolete, and are currently in the middle of trying to make a new one. Using charades and/or assassinations, because they don't have a language at the moment. Or that they haven't proven that whatever language they use is the only language that can exist, and everything else is meaningless babble by animals that just happen to look like people. Or that they acknowledge the existence of existence at all.

>53205393
>I'd rather make them somewhat schopenhauer-esque, its famous for being incomprehensible drivel and fits better with the setting

And there was a bit more about how Schopenhauer's quotes out of context can seem like they come from a Tzeentchian philosopher.

It also provides a nice contrast with canon Prospero and it's organization since the Crones are marginally more organized than Chaos Space Marines and therefore tend towards Platonic or Pythagorean academies instead of sorceror covens.

We also have a bit on the wiki about Tzaangors being specially bred assistants to the Tzeenchian Crones who act like a combination lab assistant Igor and stone gargoyle.

>>63778767
I enjoyed it.

>>63785546
Thank you, I wasn't sure if I'd gone a little over the top.

>>63785546
I'm down for the Blue Cockatoo being Tzeentchian Schopenhauer

>>63778767
Seems okay bar a few typos.

>>63778730
They still have to breathe air. Just one more little cruelty.

>>63785325
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>>63788927
>Time Cube

Holy shit Marty we've gone back to the 90s.

But seriously yes, it probably fits at least one Tzneetchian Sorcerers method seeing things.

>>63788018
>morphologically customized scuba gear part of cultural attire

>>63786484
>Nature shows that with the growth of intelligence comes increased capacity for pain, and it is only with the highest degree of intelligence that suffering reaches its supreme point

>There are 80,000 prostitutes in London alone and what are they, if not bloody sacrifices on the altar of monogamy?

>This our world, which is so real, with all its suns and milky ways is—nothing.

>Because people have no thoughts to deal in, they deal cards, and try and win one another’s money. Idiots!

>The intellectual attainments of a man who thinks for himself resemble a fine painting, where the light and shade are correct, the tone sustained, the color perfectly harmonized; it is true to life. On the other hand, the intellectual attainments of the mere man of learning are like a large palette, full of all sorts of colors, which at most are systematically arranged, but devoid of harmony, connection and meaning.

Seems to work pretty well

>>63790741
It's probable that they couldn't survive, at least not well, without their relatively high technology base. Their digestive system is still very similar to human other than the ability to deal with sea water. There is only a limited number of plants that they can eat and there are certain oils and proteins that they need that can only be obtained in practical amounts from animal flesh, both plant and animal they have to eat raw without high tech gadgets.

They can't move fast and they can't hide well, so hunting is borderline impossible.

And then there's the sharks.

When they got fucking rekt they still had their existing technology but couldn't reproduce it, they had a little time but joining the Imperium was their only option for long term survival.

>>63791982
Its interesting to consider their resilience in the face of their tormentors, and the incremental way they reached their final state. I imagine each time the crones returned and introduced another tailored mutagen there would be the fear and horror that naturally surrounds hostile alien visitation, and a similar sad and horrified reaction to the new pains they would have inflicted, but then they would set about adapting, healing as best they could, preparing as best they could for the return of their tormentors, but also returning to life, society, and creativity for as long as possible, developing new ways of maintaining their humanity despite their mutation. The Crones would return each time to find them more strange, forced yet further from their natural ways as humans, in a deeply melancholy and hardship riven society, but obnoxiously nonplussed by this physiological degradation in a daily sense.

>>63792851
It'd be great if this was why the Crones eventually left them alone- they weren't used to their toys getting bored of *them*.

>>63793000
Essentially. It wasn't even that the Crones at some point realized it wasn't working, more that the response got less and less entertaining as the humas got more distorted, and there was less to do every time. It was becoming clear that the game was a very slow building setup to what was looking to be a weak punchline, and so less and less of the originally interested crones came to see the show each time. Towards the end it might even have tapered off to the small cabal of crones fixated on this particular act of sadism, and their last visit might even have ended with getting swatted out of the sky by the population, now sensing a chance to avenge themselves if not retaliate.

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Happy New Year, /n40k/.

May we further expand this work in the year to come.

You filthy waifufaggots.

>>63795931
That particular eldar is a former wych turned exodite because growing turnips and in a life of self imposed scarcity and hard graft is so damn satisfying to her. I don't know why but to me that's funny.

>>63791281
On many worlds of the Imperium the whores unionized or formed trade guilds.

Therefore on at least one in the million worlds they must have either seized control or attained huge influence via legitimate and legal means. The eldar don't usually understand as they don't have a cash economy and they do have the Isha temples.

Here is something I was working on for the wiki explaining the shifting cultural views of the Imperium, as well as why humanity and eldar decided to ally in the first place. It's not done (and I'm not sure if I will be able to get it done) but I wanted to post the first part here for review.

For five thousand years, the Imperium was largely composed of an alliance of two species (humanity and eldar) and to a lesser degree a handful of vassal species such as the kinebrach or the Watchers in the Dark who were included on a technicality due to their association with other Imperial powers. The Imperium did not include the majority of "reasonable" sapient races in the galaxy and was primarily concerned with what benefitted humans and eldar.

For humanity, this was because humanity was still distrustful and paranoid of other species because of what happened during the Age of Strife. The Great Crusade had been called, to raise humanity up. However, although this meant the Imperium wasn’t interested in wide-scale xenocide for its own sake, it also meant that humanity did not want to become dependent on any xenos species. As a result, humanity pursued a policy of intense isolationism. As long as a species presented no threat to humanity, humanity was willing to pretend the other species didn’t exist, and most species were willing to return the favor. Every war that humanity declared on some unimportant Xenos species meant less military resources that could be allocated to actual threats, such as the Orks, Nephilem, or Slaugth. Any species that presented any threat to humanity, whether it was enslaving human populations or actively preying upon humanity, was wiped out without hesitation or remorse.

>>63798489
Unfortunately, because many species were reduced to technobarbarism or driven to insanity or Chaos worship (though this fact wasn’t apparent at first) in the psychic backlash of the Fall just as humanity was, xenocide was a frequent occurrence. The only exceptions were a handful of species who were similar enough in mindset to humanity to allow for diplomacy, such as the tarellians, eldar, or thexians. However, even in these cases diplomacy was limited, mostly restricted to preemptively avert conflicting claims over territory or coordinating against a larger threat. These interactions often beared the smell of realpolitik, such powers acted as useful buffer states against hostile forces and few would disagree that tarellians or thexians (who could at least be negotiated with) made for much better neighbors than orks. The only people who were actually allowed to trade with outside powers were the newly minted Rogue Trader dynasties.

Among the various Xenos races encountered in the galaxy, humanity considered the eldar were considered to be one of the closest things that could be called allies because they could be reasonably negotiated with, and on occasion the two had even worked together in cases where both parties had a mutual interest (i.e., the Rangdan Xenocides). The old tensions that had existed between the Great and Bountiful Human Dominion and the Old Eldar Empire had mostly been consigned to history, most humans, including the Steward, had not been alive to see the disputes between the two powers, and most eldar alive at the time of the Fall did not know or care about what happened beyond the Old Empire’s borders.

>>63798629
At the time of the Great Crusade, both species were more interested in surviving than reigniting old rivalries that had died centuries ago. When the Steward learned about the existence of Chaos from the Interex, there were few outside sources who the Steward could think to consult for confirmation than the eldar. Although the two groups were not particularly close at the time, the Steward could think of few others with the Warp expertise to way and otherwise. Even the knowledge of the Steward’s court mystic, the primarch Magnus the Red, was based on but a few generations of self-taught knowledge.

Ironically enough, the Imperium and the eldar had very little competition with one another for resources, which is one of the reasons why this first cooperation between the two species went so well. The eponymous Craftworlds of the Craftworld Eldar were giant floating hunks of wraithbone. Indeed, virtually everything the Craftoworld eldar built were made out of the programmable psychoactive plastic that is wraithbone, which the eldar could simply “sing” into existence, meaning they had no interest in mining worlds for raw materials to make tools or buildings or spaceships. The only thing they needed was soil to grow crops and water from comets, which meant that despite their refugee status the Craftworld eldar were essentially self-sufficient.

>>63798629
The only worlds for which the two powers might come in competition were the Maiden Worlds of the Exodites. However, Maiden Worlds made up a vanishingly small part of the planets in the galaxy and were poorly suited for human inhabitation in the first place. The eldar in general liked to shaadomeiform worlds that were only marginally habitable to Terran life. Shaa-Domean life in general tends to be tough but fragile, similar to what is seen in some deserts and rainforests on ancient Earth (perhaps unsurprisingly, many of the ecosystems on ancient Shaa-Dome bear some similarities to these biomes). Shaa-Domean plants are capable of turning what seems to be an inhospitable environment into a paradise, but in doing so much of the nutrients in these ecosystems are tied up in the biomass of the ecosystem and in the event the standing crop of vegetation is destroyed it can take centuries for the world to recover. On the rare occasions that humans managed to colonize an abandoned maiden world, the planet was typically ruined within a century due to humanity being unable to adjust the sensitive climatic control system set in place by the Old Empire and accidentally destroying the planet’s fertility through slash and burn. If foreswearing their interests in a bunch of relatively unsuitable worlds were what it took to gain access to eldar intel and military assistance, then so be it. By the same token, the eldar had little interest in worlds outside the Maiden Worlds, preferring to settle planets that had already been halfway prepared by their ancient ancestors.

>>63798654
Hopefully this summarizes what we had so far, it’s a summary of what we had in the previous threads, I wanted to expand a bit more on why humanity considered the eldar to be one of the few species it could get along with at the time of the Great Crusade, but I couldn’t find the original posts. Was going to extend it a bit more to talk about how things changed after the Age of Apostasy and how the Imperium started believing its own hype and seeing itself as synonymous with civilization as things changed.

Hopefully it also does a nice job showing the “points of contrast” aspect between Nobledark and canon. It points out that, for the most part, the Imperium and the eldar technically don’t have much of a reason to be fighting each other. In canon they fight because both groups are xenocidal dickbags, but this is of personal intolerance, xenophobia, and fanaticism in members of both groups, not because it is “necessary” or the two groups are competing for the same resources. The stuff about how Maiden Worlds are mostly useless to humanity, as we’ve said in the threads before, is basically straight from canon.

>>63798642
>meaning they had no interest in mining worlds for raw materials to make tools or buildings or spaceships. The only thing they needed was soil to grow crops and water from comets, which meant that despite their refugee status the Craftworld eldar were essentially self-sufficient.
I believe in canon there have been mentions of conflicts between craftworlds over mining rights, although I think it was just a throwaway justification for 'why are Your Dudes fighting'.

>>63800780
It might've been over specific substances. Presumably wraithbone can't be/do everything.

>>63798736
One of the main reasons why humanity and Eldar got along so well was that neither had anything to loose by being polite at that point and sharing knowledge cost nobody anything whilst gaining them trust.

>>63802748
Also Eldrad foresaw it being a good idea.

>Population percentages of the Imperium a.k.a. wild numbers right from the top of my head

>M31, right after Isha's rescue
>Human - 99 %
>Eldar - 1%

>M41, last decades
>Human - 95%
>Eldar - 4%
>Others (Tau, Tarellians, Kinebrach, etc.) - 1%

>>63805044
I'd say it's more likely to be 90% human 5% eldar 5% other by 999M41.

Almost all eldar craftworlds have joined since the Great Crusade, their numbers have been increasing, the Maiden Worlds are settled, new "Maiden Worlds" have been founded, Enclaves are considered normal and many eldar have totally integrated.

Other consist of entire empires folding in, sometimes whole.

>>63751904
>Tau only live till about 30
>So the guy on the throne is about 28

>>63806117
They live to be high 30s to low 40s baring major illnesses or injury. With longevity treatments this can be pushed to a little over a century.

That in the pic is Aun'Va. He's faking his age. He's been here since the equivalent of the late Medieval/early Renaissance.

>>63806074
Did we ever decide the full difference between survivor Civs and administered civs in the Imperial system? It may sound like political book keeping, but this is one of the major features of Imperial government in internal affairs.

>>63806928
A Survivor Civilization is a society that, at least in theory, could have instigated a Great Crusade or something like it.

The designation is not automatic and has to be applied for, Stillness opted not to so as to have greater protection against Mars at the expense of autonomy.

>>63806074
If we're considering the imperial population being at trillion scale, I think 5% for the other races is way high.

The eldar proportion is ok, having had a baby boom since they joined the Imperium.

>>63807401
*hundred trillion scale

>>63807446
>>63807401
Low quadrillion. Hive worlds estimated at 4 - 6 quadrillion although it would be not much higher as they would hold the majority.

We estimated it in an earlier thread.

>>63807165
I know we've made that distinction, but we've also had Savlar declared a Survivor Civ for the same reason, to keep them legally protected from Mars. Beyond that, while the details of the Survivor Civ category are somewhat clear, what goes on with administrated worlds is less fleshed out. Another question that has been asked but not answered in past threads is how trade and expansion works between these powers within the Imperium, with noted power blocks being Survivor Civs, Rogue Trader founded megacorps, and also the Astra Militarum settled worlds, most notably the Cadian and Fenrisian Colonial systems.

>>63808329
Savlar was in no real danger from being wiped out once it was realized that they absolutely would destroy the Neutronium Forge, it was just too much of a risk to something too valuable.

>>63808329
>>63806928
>>63807165 describes the actual criteria behind a Survivor Civilization though the general rule of thumb was if they had a spaceship and could function on their own they could be Survivor Civilizations. Savlar skirted in on a legal fig leaf, it had a spaceship but it was about as spaceworthy as something designed by orks. It was just a convenient legal fiction to protect them from Mars in case Kelbor-Hal’s rage overrode his logic and he decided to try and destroy it anyway.

The Fenrisian Worlds are explicitly treated the same as any other Administrated World and we’ve noted this is not fair. It made sense back in ye old days when Fenris was a Stone Age society, but if the Imperium were to encounter a civilization like it now they would been given Survivor Civilization status. The Fenrisians know this, they are grateful that the Imperium provided help centuries ago but the truth is they don’t need to be treated like Administrated Worlds anymore. That’s why when the current crisis is over they are planning to apply for Survivor Civilization status, banking on their loyal service record in the current crisis to show that this is a respectful matter of autonomy, not secession or treason.

This would be big, no Administrated World has ever graduated to Survivor Civilization status before. It’s likely that the Fenrisians would get the support of Sam-hann, the Tau, and the Tarellians in their proposal. If that goes through, then it’s likely the Imperium will start to break up into numerous small federated states. Which is the big concern, the Imperium is infamously hidebound and intolerant of change, the last time such a major change happened they were coming off the end of a civil war.

>>63809316
Horus was right, it's happening.

>>63809316
The fact that Cadian colonies are treated more as extensions of the fortress world strategic defense system of the Astra Militarum, akin to the other planets of the Cadian system as Cadian colonies usually do come in clusters forming infrastructure around Cadian Style fortified star systems, and letting this happen (technically) over the top of Administratum control of administered worlds has been the Astra Militarum's insurance against the mere possibility of waning support from less militarized populations, as Cadian colonies will never miss a chance to surpass a tithe or run surpluses in military production at the expense of comfort.

>>63814361
Could also be that the Cadians are happy with the current arrangements and don't want anything to change.

>>63807401
How about 93/5/2?

>>63817621
That looks better.

>>63814361
Cadia couldn't exist without the wider Imperium supporting it, although the other Shield Worlds probably can they might have inherited their progenitor's attitudes of integration.

>>63817621
I concur.

>>63808329
That's because Savlar needed legal protection and Stillness needed military protection.

>>63796286
We decided that she had children.

>>63817621
0.4 of that is the Tau & Friends Empire, they have difficulty accepting this.

>>63820882
As I remember it was two(?), a son and a daughter, when she was living on the craftworld when her want to walk the Path of the Mother eclipsed her attraction to the Path of the Warrior. Possibly her time spent out of the Aspect Temple raising the children helped to prevent her becoming Path Lost. She lost track of the fathers assuming she even learned their names, as a former Vat Born Dark Eldar she never saw the need for for their involvement. These two children are craftworlders.

The youngest, a daughter, was born after she became an Exodite. That father she has maintained contact with as he tends an orchard in the next valley over so old it looks like primeval forest but more picturesque. This daughter has become an Exodite as that was how she was raised.

All of her children are grown up and have left home, the youngest not long since and only moved to the other side of the island. They visit often.

>>63810497
It was inevitable

>>63823355
And there we have the noble to go with the dark when she's called to the next War in Heaven

>>63824461
She might do her military service without needing to be drafted. Eldar were engineered for war originally, it calls to them and more so in the hot blood of youth.

>>63826075
Of course. That quaint little exodite world will see the rise of an unexpected new power, and for better or worse, its peaceful, unspoiled calm will only be a memory.

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>>63824461
>the next War in Heaven
Realistically, can we reach that point?

>>63826807
We're intentionally avoiding it, we've done some hypothetical post-Rhana Dandra fluff, and some of the cosmology for the 'deep lore' in the build up period, but our setting current day is right on the cusp of the second War in Heaven.

>>63828653
the idea is to build up the Galaxy as a setting, but to leave the shape of the great and final conflict pretty vague, such that a game run in the setting can have it shape up as the DM, who would presumably be one of the obsessives that has been working on this, thinks best fits the party and campaign.

>>63826741
Maybe. But it's 40k, war comes to everywhere if you give enough time. The difference being that in the Nobledarkness you at least have friends.

>>63828653
>>63828711
Recent canon lore has Eldrad warning Guilliman about the "Old War" returning.

>>63828711
It's been implied that by M41 things are going to be crazy and the future is in complete flux due to a 30 car pileup of just as planned, between the schemes of Cegorach, the Emperor, Orikan, Tzeentch, Szarekh, Ghazghull, Vect, Mag'ladroth, Isha, Eldrad, Slaanesh, the Taskmaster, Erebus, and everyone in between. And the universe may be building it up as a backlash for Eldrad trying to screw fate. It's up for grabs enough that the actions of the PCs could potentially throw things in any direction, enough of push to make implausible futures viables and scuttle the best laid plains. This could work out well, or your party could do something that ends up getting the Emperor killed in the long term. Which emphasizes the noble aspect (specifically individual agency) of nobledark.

Or you could mess around in an earlier time period where things aren't as crazy for a more low-key campaign.

Lets try again to flesh out the rise and fall of Goge Vandire

>>63778730
>>63805044
>>63806074
>>63807401
>>63817621
>>63818255
I had been thinking that the number of non-human/eldar xenos was a bit low too. Many of the member species are not very numerous (Watchers, kinebrach, thexians, ulmeatheans), but there are quite a few of them. The tau were said to be the most numerous non-human, non-eldar species in the imperium, and they “only” number in the hundreds of billions. The Tarellians have sort of been implied to be the next most numerous, and it is likely they were even more so pre-Kraken.

Also some ballpark thoughts as to the populations of the major Craftworlds.

Iyanden pre-Kraken - 10 trillion. Iyanden was the largest Craftworld for quite some time both in Nobledark and in canon. We’ve said it could have become one of the biggest political movers and shakers in the Imperium due to the weight of its voice but it preferred a policy of intense isolationism until Kraken made that untenable.
Biel-Tan – 1.2 trillion. Biel-Tan is the most populous Craftworld as of the modern era.
Iyanden post-Kraken - 1 trillion. Iyanden is said to have lost 90% of population in the battle for Iyanden, but while it may have been surpassed by Biel-Tan it is still one of the larger Craftworlds.
Dorhai – 1 trillion. We said in this timeline Dorhai has become comparable in size to one of the major Craftworlds because most of the eldar extremists who refuse to have anything to do with allying with mon-keigh have immigrated to this Craftworld.
Alaitoc and Saim-Hann – Both 0.6 to 0.8 Trillion. I would say Alaitoc is a bit larger (maybe 0.8 to Saim-Hann’s 0.6). Sam-Hann has a lower population due to its disorganized nature.
Ulthwe – 0.4 Trillion. Ulthwe is the smallest of the five big name Craftworlds, which is why it is often had to take unusual methods and why other Craftworlds view them as weirdos (aside from the focus on psykery, the manipulativeness, and the stereotype of them being xenophiles).

>>63835093
All of the other Craftworlds are less than 100 billion in population. In total that gets us to the "low trillions" we've thrown around. All of these numbers being deliberately loose to not tie us down to anything beyond broad ranking of population size.

I would also like to propose that the exact number of member species in the Imperium should never be outright stated beyond a ballpark estimate. That way there is always room for someone to put in a Your Dudes minor species on the fringe and we don't run into the problem canon has where only fifteen abhuman variants are recognized with twelve of them named.

>>63834139
That sounds like a good idea. Anyone got any suggestions or cool ideas?

>>63835118
We know he was a much loved, highly skilled and highly educated Administratum worker.

>>63835248
To the point of being proverbially hypercompetent and an indispensable member of the Imperial Court's inner circle/the Hydra for an era prior to being elevated to the throne.

>>63835991
He also had the support of the Eldar at the time but once the paranoia started he couldn't deal with the banter and saw it as malicious personal attacks to undermine his good name.

>>63835093
Would there be more Enclave over the whole Imperium than Craftworlders?

>>63835991
Would he have been a member of The Hydra or just known about it?

>>63823355
Needs more comfy.

>>63839238
We've had Malcador and subsequently Oscar in on it, and some number of the more conceptually minded primarchs, as well as various hints that somewhere filed away as unremarkably as possible are the records that the Terrawatt clan Theologitechs were secreted away under the broad AdBio umbrella, that the Cthonia Resettlement Project is likewise tied to old Terrawatt by the same golden thread, etc.

So in short, after being the Steward's indispensable, prodigiously talented apprentice, then his confidant, greatest asset in government, and de facto heir apparent in the era we've been calling the Imperium's golden age, its safe to assume he was fully read into the top level Imperial agenda.

It might be too on the nose, but we've put a bunch of weight on Thor's argument that even a good mortal Emperor would produce the problem of questions of succession, and a proven, virtuous, and moreover immortal monarch would obviously be the better option. Going with that, Goge would definitely be getting, and feeling, old and weary even before the paranoia set in. The argument Sebastian Thor would later make might even have been on his mind, its inexorable logic only countered by a lifetime immersed in Oscar's own teachings in favor of a truly human Emperor. We've wondered what prevented Vandire from using his intimate knowledge of Imperial secrets, past and ongoing projects, and such to wreak greater havoc than he did in the end, and it could be because despite going mad he remained loyal in a twisted and tragic way. He was still loyal to his Imperium, maybe even to Oscar's Imperium and his understanding of the Golden Man himself, and thought he was fighting to hold it together and see his teacher's will done even at the bitter end.

>>63841101
the chaos of civil war could have produced any number of signs for a paranoid, well informed genius to interpret. He might have convinced himself the fools in the Illuminate Order really did it, went and lobotomized Oscar with a botched psy-graft, and were parading around a dead man walking. He might have had the Fabricator General whispering in his ear about advanced augmetics that could (possibly) make him as immortal as the Steward and wiser still. And of course there's just the actual mental breakdown because even a genius by the standards of any era is still human, and he was trying to fill in for an interstellar communications network and infrastructure management interface that just happened to walk and talk like a person.

Another thought is making Vandire's relationship with Oscar more surrogate father/son. One part of this would be making his role more of an inverse(contrapositive?)-Malcador, which would help to flesh out his relationship with Oscar since there isn't much of one in canon. The other part would be to add the parallel to the canon Great Heresy, with Horus killed out of necessity by his father, which sets up the massive emotional fallout for Oscar in the post-civil war era when he becomes increasingly detached from mortal human relationships. There was also some talk in recent threads about Ynnead becoming crown prince and eventually Emperor in the possible future, with his father abdicating and retiring to truly become a god alongside Isha, but besides all of the political and cultural baggage this being a fearful thing to Oscar because he ended up killing the last 'son' he put on the Golden Throne.

>>63840339
That's all we had on her family. If you want to add moar then feel free to do so.

>>63841415
The more gets written about him the less evil he seems. He's more sad now than anything, I really like it.

>>63844809
I think it’s definitely the way to go. We’ve already noted that Oscar himself is a somewhat tragic figure, beyond all he’s lost and all he insists on bearing the weight of responsibility for, because his optimistic view is that if he can make all the right decisions and see the Imperium through the next great galactic war he will still expect to be living in quiet desperation for the good of the many.

>>63835093
Has anything been done with the thexians?

We've discussed the Tyranid Hive Mind's difficulty focusing on individuals, both due to being an extra-incomprehensible extragalactic Chaos God strength warp/physical entity that has been prowling the supercluster for incalculable eons, and having a massive, detailed sensory input dispersed over hundreds of thousands of lightyears, even going by optimistic Imperial theories where the Hive Fleets are a hunting pack and not a singular unified organism, and thus uses hero-killers like Swarmlords, as well as Synapse creatures in general, the same way the Inhibitors from Revelation Space 'unpack' intelligence when they need it.

I think this could tie into the Genestealer genetic espionage and the Imperium's Golden Age era Genestealer war/purge in a really interesting way, but I'm stalling out on fitting it together.

>>63849274
One part might be the Imperium trying to adjust to the new and unfamiliar Genestealer MO when they begin to reappear long after the Genestealer Wars but before the oncoming threat of the Hivefleets became apparent. Imperial tactics and doctrine against Genestealers might have come to resemble the Imperial view of the Slaugh long after the Rangdan Xenocide, or even something similar to the Lacrymole after their people were overtaken by vampirism and subsequently driven from their settled worlds by Imperial forces. Something dangerous, fast multiplying, deeply malicious, and intent on a scale of horror difficult for earthbound peoples to contemplate should they gain a foothold, but successfully scattered to the wilds of a hostile galaxy, to be ridden down by the forces of civilization. The Imperial fear of Genestealer Hybrids before they understood the Tyranids might have been more like Invasion of The Body Snatchers with a hint of The Thing, while hunting purebloods would have been no more dire in (admittedly dire) implication than hunting Xenomorphs. Then Tyran gets eaten.

Also, was the Genestealer War at the right place in the timeline to be one of Goge's big achievements?

>>63838114
Definitely not. Enclaves are a few spires on a Hive World, and all are tied to a Craftworld in some way. Fein-Cineal being the big exception because they dismantled their Craftworld to make extra-big Enclaves.

>>63841415
>Vandire could have really done a lot more damage than he did, and didn't because in his own mind he was still loyal
That's a terrifying thought. And one that makes a great deal of sense too.

I remember we had a piece of writefaggotry we had to rework about Men of Gold impostors during Vandire's reign, which did not help his sanity at all.

>>63850715
There was some discussion on whether or not a Survivor Civ ever fell. Here's the relevant post.

>I can certainly imagine an event where an entire civ ended up falling to Chaos because the general response went about as well as an official UN Military action.
>In other words, lots of hemming and hawing about whether to even send forces in, arguments and obstruction of military forces due to debates over juristiction, attempts to ignore the problem, and the eventual sending of a token peacekeeping force to OH FUCK EVERYTHING'S ON FIRE.
>At which point Oscar himself rolls up to have a serious talk with the locals about "What the FUCK is wrong with you?!"

First contact with the genestealers would be a good case for this, as the Imperium didn't know tyranids were a thing and while xenos corruption from races like Slaugth did exist Chaos was the bigger worry,

>>63848616
Beyond them being Ushoran-esque ghoul-bat-dragon doshlords that turned into space wendigos or just in general?

>>63850715
I don't think we ever pinned down when Peak Genestealer happened, so it would be easy to move it to when Vandire was active.

>>63852624
As >>63852710 alludes to, millennia before the first hive fleet fell upon Tyran, during the Imperium's so called Golden Age one of the major events and threat to the Imperium was the minimally elaborated upon discovery of Genestealers, both in biospheres throughout the galaxy and Hybrids in a spy network with tendrils reaching all the way to Old Earth. It was dealt with quietly, but thoroughly, and while the secret war on the Genestealers later became known to the Imperial public, their presence on Old Earth for an indeterminate period was kept secret from the public at least. It was only realized later when the Hive Fleets began to swarm the galaxy that the Genestealers were an extragalactic threat, not just infiltrating and subverting in the name some exotic psyker hive mind, but providing the earliest reconnaissance for the approaching fleet.

>>63852710
Moving it to his reign would be a good idea I think. It's a kind of war that his paranoia would thrive in but also be useful.

>>63853605
I was thinking it would be a victory for him to have already more or less achieved by the time he was put on the throne. He may have been a competent statesman and administrator, but he needs some major achievements to be made Emperor if Macharius wasn't getting the title of Primarch at the beginning of the golden age. Overseeing the most sweeping and (with the possible exception of removing chaos cults) most necessary inquisition, purge, and secret war in the Imperium's history to eliminate the galaxy crossing network of what would later be identified as the groundwork of a galactic genestealer cult that (in favorable conditions to them) would have eventually been able to seize Imperial hubs and wage conventional wars on the Imperium at large. Its kinda dark to have him presiding over that sort of operation before he went mad, and having it as one of his great achievements as Oscar's portege, but it just highlights the situation the Imperium finds itself in. And while the eventual arrival of the Tyranids did bear this out, in Vandire's own time it wasn't so clear, and questions whatever had driven the strange non-chaos mutagenic cult Vandire had fought in his youth might have just been another weight on his sanity.

>>63853862
Macharius wasn't made a Primarch because that was a title for a specific time and set up. The title had outlived it's usefulness.

How do the top 1% of Humans live in the Imperium?

>>63855461
The personally richest are the old money heads of the Mega-corps, they live opulent lives and can live for over a thousand years. The government high ups and military brass have similar longevity but live more modest lives.

>>63850715
Are there any pure Lacrymole left?

>>63813567
What would the Eldar equivalent of junk food be?

>>63856252
What USED to be Megacorps. They got incorporated into the feudal/imperial structure of the Imperium ages ago. They are now the chief Noble and ruling Houses of various planets and/or Planetary Governor types.

Also probably Rogue Traders and Navigators.

>>63858902
A !ot of the Mega-Corps started out as RTs that had to adapt to a galaxy where nobody beyond the border was willing to trade or capable of understanding the concept of trade.

>>63858902
they actually havent been 'incoprerated' into Imperial governmental structure, their heads are just kinda forced into the 'Interstellar Aristocracy' category of Imperial high society by virtue of their assets. Planetary governors and ruling houses of no-name dirtballs are a dime a dozen in the Imperium, and while nearly every prominent figure in the Imperium that isn't a direct part of the administrative or military hierarchy will likely hold some incidental position of power over some terrestrial family estate out in the boonies, but that position has little to do with their place at the top of the aristocratic heap. The rogue traders that now run mega-corps need no aristocratic title to reaffirm their place rubbing elbows with the Imperial Court, the title of rogue trader has by that point had a longer and more storied history than 'duke' or 'lord', and their assets speak for themselves.

>>63860379
If you're the one that facilities the trade and travel on that scale then you are already part of the interstellar government, intent or desire is irrelevant. It comes with perks of guaranteed business but will fucking end you if you misbehave or become lax in responsibility.

>>63857350
I think it was briefly mentioned that a small colony of them was found in the depths of a Space Hulk. They were half starved but clean from both vampirism and Chaos. They had been in there since before The Great Crusade and knew nothing of the Imperium, though it had been thousands of years outside their prison inside it had been only 300 years (a small number of generations). They were eager to get out and make real lives for themselves. Despite it having been thousands of years since their return their numbers are still very low compared to other peoples, thoush they are now no longer in immediate danger of extinction.

They are insectile and naturally have shells with metallic elements in them. Possibly this made it easier for the shards to take root and corrupt them but harder to fully mature. It cost them almost extinction but didn't destroy the galaxy under a horde of high level Shard Vampires.

>>63860567
We’re in agreement then. Just as the merchant navy has a representative among the High lords, the Imperium commands their well-compensated service. The distinction I’m trying to make is that their relationship is a matter of influential and wealthy families and individuals within the Imperium acting in their own interest in cooperation with the Imperial government. The individual, Rogue Trader crazy Hassan just to throw out a name, has a writ of trade that was the legal document upon which his ancestors commercial empire is built, but this commercial empire is considered a private enterprise, not a part or representative of the Imperial government. Hassan may also hold the Administratum position of governor of various Imperial worlds discovered by, settled by, or even bought out by his enterprise, but that position is defined as one of stewardship of an imperial population and infrastructure, not ownership. Hassan may incidentally also own most of the infrastructure on the world, may even employ or own the majority of the population, but in his office as governor he is obligated to protect and maintain all of it. Hassan could also arrange to sell himself the remainder of the planet, or broker all trade and infrastructure work through his enterprise, etc. but his governorship would still (theoretically) bind him to standards of Imperial civilization. Overall, it is his station as holder of the financial and commercial assets he possesses that makes him notable to the Imperium at a sector or galactic scale, as a planetary governor he’s in all likelihood only nominally running things, and would delegate to either Administratum adepts or his seneschal, and if the Imperium found it worthwhile to put someone else in charge of that planet, stripped Hassan of that title and put someone else in Hassan would only have lost the station, and would retain all of his personal holdings there unless the Imperium deliberately seized them too.

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>>63862864
There's also the unspoken understanding that if it was considered in the best interest of the Imperium and it's people they absolutely would seize his property in addition to taking his titles, possibly if it was from extraordinary need rather than as a result of fault on his part they might see fit to reward his "voluntary donation" at some future date and compensate him with interest. If he kicks up too much of a fuss they might just take his stuff and that would be the end of it (as happened to Praetoria when it got uppity). He could try and fight but it would not be a battle he could ever win and anyone that high up is smart enough to know it. If they are stupid enough to try it then the assassins get called in to deal with this problem with all due haste in whatever manner they see fit. Maybe they make it look like an accident, maybe he his found hanging from a prominent landmark with the official forms and necessary paperwork pinned to his body.

In a similar manner men of high standing and influence often have a Custodes appointed to them to ensure their safety. There are ~300 of them and the Emperor dosn't need that many at any given time as anything that can kill 100 Custodes and a Man of Gold probably isn't going to be stoppable with numbers. That means that there are ~200 Custodes to ensure the safety of those necessary to national stability. Also should those people intentionally act against the interests of the Imperium and it's people it's absolutely certain that their big shiny status symbol of a guardian will cut them down.

>>63864989
There are about 10,000 Custodes. They're called the Ten Thousand. There may be less in the present day, like the Grey Knights. 300 is the Emperor's personal guard. Then you have the ones assigned to important locations on Old Earth, ones assigned to guarding particularly important individuals, etc. It's just the galaxy is freaking big.

In the Horus Heresy series, it's noted Custodes don't just function as bodyguards. They function as an elite diamond pick to break especially hard centers of resistance that need breaking now, like Alexander's Hetairoi. Handmaidens probably have a similar breakdown.

>>63865453
In a way, that’s exactly what those on bodyguard duty are there to be, a diamond scalpel already in position at every pressure point and potential weak link that Imperial foresight could identify. There are other custodes assigned to other assets, but they all serve the same general mission as the highest and most versatile defensive measure the Imperium can produce, except perhaps the shield world system when enacted with optimal results.

>>63864989
>it's absolutely certain that their big shiny status symbol of a guardian will cut them down.
I'm imagining a loyal but stylishly morally dubious Imperial aristocrat using that in itself as a status symbol, playing it up as "even Emperor Oscar recognizes I could become a problem if I fell to temptation," instead of the more realistic interpretation that the Custodian is there to stand and defend in the resultant breach shough he ever be stupid enough to make an opening for the Imperium's enemies. He would be enough of an asset to the Imperium that this didn't get him pressured by weary Administratum or Military liaisons into ceding whatever his role is to a younger sibling or the next legitimate claimant of whatever sort, but enough that he does easier business with the more outlying Survivor Civs and Sector level governments than with the Throne proper, mostly due to similar tasteless antics whenever he appears at court at Old Earth or joins the Traveling Court and the Throne preferring different notable citizens.

Another interesting point about Imperial Aristocracy is that while the Imperium won't disrupt aristocratic customs in a given society as long as they function well enough, it won't put its overarching authority behind hereditary nobility of blood for them either. In the general planet to planet sense, all Imperial Citizens are equal, from slave to planetary autocrat, and will be judged by the Throne on their actual value, past and potential, to the Imperium. Oscar and the Administratum at large are immensely practical in terms of their goals, they will not waste effort overturning traditional but abusive system when mind bogglingly horrible paradigms like the Crones and NSE are the ones actually defining the spectrum of debate, but they won't fold on their goals either, and they fully intend to run the society with the greatest possible security, dignity, and satisfaction of needs for all of its people that their means can support.

>>63866893
the thought I'd actually meant to connect that too is that the relationship between aristocratic and non-aristocratic Imperial citizens being more Roman Republic than Feudal Europe, and that contrast possibly being insufficient to characterize the norms of Imperial government away from areas of cultural aristocratic influence. Aristocratic culture probably has an interesting place in the Imperial Guard for example, because while regiments with aristocratic officers and cultures of military aristocracy aren't uncommon, forces more akin to the Cadians or various Hiveworld regiments, with officer corps to match, are far more common and predominate Imperial military culture.

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>>63858485
The same as human junk food.

>>63865453
Handmaidens having the advantage that they can pass for normal Eldar.

>>63865453
Who do they recruit from?

>>63874121
Anywhere. Much like the Grey Knights they have right of recruitment spanning the entire Imperium.

when they were founded they weren't all psychic but they may have upped their standards since then.

Is there an equivalent event to the Cossack Letter?

>>63853236
How.extensive was the Stealer infestation at it's height?

>>63878864
Its tendrils on earth were noted to be the peak of their achievement, but in terms of resources, they hadn't subverted any high level officials or officers, but were at the high end of well armed Genestealer cults.

>>63878864
Peak Genestealer was noted to be several times worse than the galactic genestealer levels now, with the main Hive Fleets making galaxyfall. So, very extensive.

>>63866047
It's almost a given that the Governors Militants of the Shield Worlds have one each, they're assassin sponges.

>>63879460
>>63879661
seems like the idea that this was the Tyranid attempt to establish a conventional force that would destabilize the galaxy before they arrived works pretty well, with peak genestealer being the organized strategic reconnaissance and laying of groundwork by the hive fleet, while subsequent genestealer infestations have been the Tyranid-tech equivalent of a guidance system or target spotter.

>>63881248
It wraps around in an interesting way. Shield worlds are too specialized in defense of the Imperium to provide for themselves, they need their wider infrastructure to make them viable, and that whole infrastructure needs to be run by a strategic savant prepared by a career of trials and adventures many light years away. Such a savant becomes the fulcrum on which the whole defense hinges, and only the Imperium as a whole has the means to reliably produce a counter to the threats arrayed against such an individual, provided in Superheavies, Astartes, Titans, and the Custodes that will protect the Governor from Crone demigods, Necron terminators, and purple Orks.

>>63881369
mention of purple orks made me wonder if we've actually done anything with that, and gave me some ideas. Beyond all the massive superweapons, Brain Boyz (presumably in the form of Ghazkhul and Makari) deploying effective, unpredictable, and secret ork operations deeper and deeper behind Imperial lines. Even as Imperial doctrine has adapted to increasingly advanced Orks the actual threat of sabotage and assassination by them in advance of a Waaagh would be a shift that could easily blindside Imperial commanders.

There was also the thought that the Ork empires we've noted are a rough buffer between the Imperium and the NSE, and how this actually seems to have been their use by the Old Ones in the War in Heaven stories on the wiki as well. So Ork infiltrators may also be attacking the Necrons throughout the NSE-Imperial cold war, at least as the millenium ends, just as Chaos, the NSE, and the Imperium are trying to keep the Orks in check.

What does a meeting of the High Lords look like?

Is it just them alone meeting or is it a public and open forum?

>>63882325
Snikrot paints himself with purple warpaint made of Squig blood and uses that to sneak by Imperial forces.

On a kind of related note I was trying to write up what happened to the Celestial Lions in this timeline and how they ran into actual Ork snipers. I was thinking that with the rise of Brain Boyz one of the things you might get with increased Ork cognition are specialized “snipa boyz” who specialize in accuracy over sheer dakka. Like Burna Boyz, Mek Boyz, or Speed Freeks but obsessed with accuracy. Their mindset being in the sense of “I’z not worried ‘bout da ork wit' a thousand dakka, I’z worried ‘bout da ork whose dakka hitz a thousand times”. In game terms it would probably be something like Mont’kau suits are for the Tau or Stormvermin for the Skaven: they’re the faction’s best option for the job, and while they’re okay at what they do they’re still only one, specialized unit and it’s not worth building an army around them. They aren’t going to be outperforming Vindicare, for example.

However, I was having trouble thinking of the kind of the crazy stuff that could come with Orks that are actually a good shot. Ork behavior in canon is said to be based on sports superstitions (like wearing a “lucky” pair of pants to every game you watch in the pub in the belief it will make your team win, or in more /tg/ related parlance “rolling the 1s out of a d20”). I could easily see Snipa Boyz doing something similar. I was wondering if we had any /k/ommandos in our ranks who knew of good nutty personal superstitions that would make for Snipa Boy rituals.

>>63884504
They eat the eyes and hands of those they deem worthy. They eat the rest of them as well, obviously, but they take special care of the hands and eyes and often prepare them with spices and eat them with deliberation and even some degree of reverence. It is said that they intentionally hunt space marine scouts and guard snipers for this very reason.

>>63873001
Up to a point.

Eldar make up a very small minority of the population. Most of those stay in the craftworlds or enclaves making the number of eldar that mingle with humanity even smaller. It's probable that in most places being an eldar is going to get you noticed even if you are on perfectly mundane and legitimate business.

>>63883624
I assume they're surrounded by aides and have to hear petitioners at least when the Traveling Court is abroad, and presumably scribes to take note, etc.

>>63884504
I'd Imagine that Orks really would snipe with anti-tank guns, and might even bring a buddy with a good old slugga to watch his back when he gets telyporated onto the top of a 'humie cityspire from a cold running rok in the system's kuiper belt to shoot one of their nobs.

>>63876561
Not yet.

>>63876561
>>63887465
Sounds like something the Orks would do during the War of the Beast.

>>63887032
I can only imagine how many bricks would be shat after such an operation.

>>63887032
Oi, I'z Kommado Shepard, 'n dis is my favorite spot on da Citadel.

>>63890767
Edmond Aldsworth and Cain need to be involved with bringing the Snipa Git down. There needs to be a butlering.

>>63887501
Or Cadia did after Malys sent them a magnanimous letter offering amnesty in exchange for surrender.

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>>63893876
That would fit better. She would have to have sent this one in the aftermath of one of the mid Black Crusades. Long enough that she would believe that they would be willing to consider giving up but not so long that she realized that they never ever will.

Was the offer genuine? Was it a clever ruse? We may never know. She asked that they kneel to her gods as equals in their eyes to her own Chosen People with the threat of colossal retribution if they insulted her or her gods with refusal of this unprecedented generosity. Cadians do no kneel and what more could they do to them? They were already throwing every horror they could get their hands on so there wasn't a possible escalation.

It's said that every Cadian knew the hour that she received the letter. Across lightyears and the vacuum of space all could hear the unimaginable "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" and they laughed and laughed and laughed and prepared for the next Black Crusade just like every day.

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>>63823355
As she grew out of a test tube and had no father or even mother she would have been very confused. Not with the physical aspects of reproduction, she isn't retarded, but with the emotional and societal nature of it all. She would see herself as having all the necessary equipment and has seen people raise children loads of times, even the humans manage it so it can't be that hard. If she absolutely can't manage it then worst case scenario is that she drops the offspring off at the Isha Temple, does some actual research, maybe finds someone to teach her and tries again in 30 or 50 years. Even abandoned on a temple doorstep, she would conclude, the child would have a far better life than she did in the City of Sins. All she needs is genetic material from a male of her species, the craftworld has plenty of those.

The father of the first one would have been chosen based purely on physical characteristics, she wouldn't want defective children or a child born sickly as she's not done this before and further complications have to be avoided. It would be someone she knows, at least only slightly, because she would at minimum require their name to approach them and also lingering suspicions that they will try and kill her the moment they are alone and she is vulnerable. Also it would have to be someone she doesn't know too well as that would make her more emotionally vulnerable and she isn't keen on having a vulnerability and if things go badly she doesn't want to risk any friendship as friendships are a strange and wonderful thing that a few years prior she didn't even know were possible.

Everything went well with the first child and most of her worries regarding vulnerability and betrayal were proved false. The kid never once tried to strangle her in her sleep or anything.

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>>63895686
With that in mind next time she felt the draw of the Path of Motherhood she would choose a partner as close to her as possible so that she would have help and a potential protector for the child. We've mentioned that the Exarch of her temple was pretty heartbroken when she left so it's not impossible that he was the farther. Exactly how useful a Pathlost Warrior would be as a father figure is debatable, but Yvraine is not very clever at this sort of thing so that might not have occurred to her beyond "will fuck up any overt threats to safety". She didn't anticipate the emotional attachment the old Exarch would develop, possibly she thought he was too far Pathlost for that or possibly she just didn't understand that being lovers went further than just physical intimacy because she grew up in the Dark City where rape is a snack between meals and safer to get than a handshake.

In any case that child grew up well enough and when she moved her permanent residence from the Craftworld to the Exodite world both children decided to stay. They still exchange letters, presumably she also still writes to the Exarch as well. I'd like to think they parted as friends.

The third one was born to the Exodite father. and was not planned but was considered a happy accident. Of the three the younger daughter is the only one to actually have a real father figure in her life.

>>63890767
We've already shot down the idea of Commander Shepard in this AU.

>>63895785
>>63895686
We need names.

>>63894381
>>63893876
this scenario with the Cossack letter has actually been the one we've mentioned in the past. We also noted that despite the best efforts of the (already itself a joke) Cadian diplomatic corps, the reply letter was pretty tame by the standards of correspondence between the Cone factional and Fallen factional leaders, failing to insult Malys beyond the refusal itself.

I think it could be a good idea to sketch out some characters to represent some of the Imperial background archetypes that would be less familiar that ones like Inquisitorial adept, Astartes, Guard soldier, Assassin, etc.

The roles that come to mind are the mega-corp style rogue trader retinues, the voidborn connected naval intelligence and fleet agents, the Eldar and Imperial nobility affiliated Psychic academics and much more ostentatious Navigator houses, the itinerant Hereteks seeking patrons, agents of Trayzn looting historical sites as history unfolds and the Bloody Magpie posthuman counter-burglars that chase him, and the AdBio druids and Exodite pilgrims that one meets on strange souljourns across the Imperium.

just to get the ball rolling, what maniacal cat-person currently runs the Carlos-Mcconnell trading corporation?

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>>63900511
Katarina [about 20 additional names that are inconsistent across documents] Mcconnell. Daughter of Goscelin Fland and Marozia Mcconnell of the infamous House of Carlos, ruler of the world of that name and surrounding system, Chairlady of the Board of directors for the McConnell Shipping and Haulage Company, Admiral of the McConnell Ferry Service, undisputed matriarch of the house and protector of the people. Also 200 year veteran of the Imperial Navy where her name was exalted for her actions in the Marqod Gulf saved her fleet, a sub-sector and essentially ended an incursion of .

She rules the house and it's assets with an iron fist and a short leash and has done so since the passing of her mother some thirty years ago. Most noticeable change in her methods is the upping of armaments on the fleets and the introduction of mandatory marksmanship practice among the citizenry. When asked why she tells that she is under oath not to say (and sometimes she will lightly scratch a stylized I into the desk with her index claw) and the subject is usually dropped.

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>>63895785
The younger daughter I'm guessing is the extremely modestly dressed one.

>>63900303
I kind of remember that.
Malys: They only said "fuck me" once in that whole letter. *sigh* I'm not even mad, just disappointed. Thousands of years and they still have no sense of fun.

>>63896848
It was a joke, not meant in seriousness.

Tried to write up one of the events that was suggested.

432.M32 - A Lover’s Quarrel

The galaxy’s longest on-again, off-again relationship, that of Asdrubael Vect of Commorragh and Lady Aurelia Malys of the Crone Eldar of Shaa-Dome, unexpectedly ends when Malys receives a message from Vect telling her that their relationship is over. The relationship between the two had been deteriorating for some years prior to that, rumor has it due to Vect and Malys’ relationship becoming strained over Malys’ attempts to convert Vect to Chaos, but for Vect to abruptly declare their relationship over without warning stuns Malys and sends her into a rage. Only Vect would have the audacity to tell the Daemon Queen to her face “it’s not you, it’s him”.

In response to Vect’s message, Lady Malys rampages across Commorragh, determined to drag Vect out of his hole and confront him fact to face. She easily tracks down his refuge, a fortified bunker beneath one of his dwellings in Upper Commorragh. There was no way for Vect to hide, for as Vect’s former lover Malys knew exactly where Vect was likely to run and few Dark Eldar were willing to stand in the way of the Daemon Queen and the target of her wrath. In her emotionally compromised state, Malys’ normally razor-sharp mind is dulled with rage, failing to notice the ease at which she had managed to break into Vect’s hidden sanctum or the fact that resistance within Vect’s fortress was surprisingly lax. Malys finds Vect on his throne, surrounded by his harem of eldar and xenos slaves. When confronted, Vect is surprisingly remorseful of his actions, presenting Malys with a wrapped gift merely labeled “For my sweetheart”.

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>>63908776
When Vect moves to open the gift, the containment field keeping its contents in stasis breaks down, unleashing the portable black hole held within. Malys only survives by slamming the door to Vect’s throne room behind her and allowing the black hole to consume the entire throne room before dissipating into Hawking radiation. In the moments before the box was opened, her rage had lifted enough for her to realize Vect would have never allowed her to get so close given recent events, as well as the fact that the being calling itself “Vect” had given numerous tells indicating that it was not her beloved Asdrubael. “Vect” was later found to be a slave surgically altered to resemble Vect and given access to the harem, having no idea it was to be a sacrificial lamb for Vect’s ex-lover or the nature of the “gift” Vect intended for her. Vect’s throne and entire harem are destroyed, a price Vect considers worth paying to keep Malys off his back. The actual Vect would not reappear until months later. Rumor has it he was on the other side of Commorragh watching the show unfold. No one in Commoragh was foolish enough to actually believe him dead. Nevertheless, in the moment, Malys’ sheer rage at the situation, now compounded by the fact that Vect had the audacity to try and assassinate her, had yet to be sated.

An entire Imperial system burns at the hands of Crone Eldar in service to Lady Malys before Malys manages to calm down. It would be years before Malys and Vect were on speaking terms again.

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>>63908873
The implication I was trying to give by this is that Vect and Malys are generally pretty well matched mentally, but that Vect got the drop on Malys by taking advantage of her being compromised emotionally and the fact that Crones tend to be pretty emotionally volatile in general. It was a zero cost gambit, if Malys was restrained enough to avoid taking the bait it was no loss to Vect. Even then she was smart enough to avoid the trap actually working. It also kind of speaks to the nature of their relationship. When they agree to mutually break it off there is no problem, when Malys is the one dumping Vect’s immediate ability to respond is limited, but when Vect does it he has to make sure he’s behind seven proxies because Malys has the advantage of physical strength. Of course, Vect’s strength is he does everything “thirty-five minutes ago”. As was previously mentioned, kind of like Batman and Superman and in a weird way a contrast to the relationship between the Emperor and Eldrad (in a Gork and Mork sort of way).

I feel this was a little slap-dash, any suggestions for improvement? I was thinking of putting a mention somewhere that the way their breakups have worked has varied. Sometimes the two agree they need a break from one another and part on relatively amicable terms. Sometimes Malys is doing the dumping and she has to watch out for poison in her…stuff that she drinks. Sometimes Vect is and Malys would love nothing more than to see Asdrubael burn for a few years until things calm down. It’s something we mentioned in the threads but don’t have on the wiki yet.

>>63908970
I really like it

>>63895785
The idea of Yvraine being completely clueless about how to raise a child or have a relationship is kinda sad, and honestly makes a lot of sense. Leaving Commorragh doesn't magically grant you the social skills you would get by living anywhere else.

By the way, did we ever agree on autarchs being made when exarchs are able to beat the abyss in a staring contest and rip themselves away from the mask of war? Canon seems to imply it, saying they are individuals who have mastered multiple facets of the Path of the Warrior as well as other paths (and the Visarch is implied to have been jolted out of the Path by Yvraine leaving in canon), but it seems a bit hazy on this subject.

>>63853862
Genestealers adding to Vandire's paranoia sounds like another good idea. Not that he necessarily thought everything is genestealers but that attitude of "assume no one can be trusted and will kick you in the dick at the first opportunity" set him up pretty well. The problem being this "proactive" mindset bred resentment and led to a lot of planets pitching their lot in with Thor.

>>63910712
It's either that or warriors who have managed to back away from the abyss multiple times having gone right to the edge.

>>63908970
It looks good. Sometimes short and sweet is good. Draw it out too long and it stops seeming like a spur of the moment frenzied rampage.

>>63910712
Yvraine would have been considered a freak on the craftworlds, but a tolerable one because she adhered to The Path strictly. She would have had a store of tinned food (in case of siege), her bed would have been a mattress on the floor so that nothing could hide under it, no closets for a similar reason with instead the clothing hung up on hooks around the room, all clothing would have either been seductive or protective in design, no cupboards in the kitchen with everything on shelves. The lighting would also have been weird. Inside the house there would have been lots of small lights positioned to minimize shadows but not so bright as to be more than the twilight she grew up in. There would be mirrors arranged so that she can see everywhere easily in any given room and can see anyone entering through the door without exposing herself to potential danger. Windows would also have had a similar mirrors arrangement. There would have been a weapon next to her bed when she sleeps and carried with her at all other times. Her house/apartment close to the Aspect Temple possibly to a degree of having a connecting door so that she could limit the amount of danger she would have been in traveling between work and home assuming that she didn't just convert a few rooms in the temple structure itself into habitation.

Her eccentricities would have worn off the longer she spent on the Craftworld and exposed to Biel-tani culture, the general populace would have been spared the worst of her weirdness as in the early days she would have left safety as little as possible and by the time she was prepared to go shopping on her own would have been far more acclimatized, relatively speaking.

Contrast this with her current wood and mud hut with it's thatched roof and glassless windows.

>>63899280
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/

Although as Biel-tan are Noldor in space and she doesn't understand them and Dark Eldar she rejects there's no telling what names she would have chosen.

>>63852624
Did the Thexians stuff get saved? I'm looking but I can't see but I can't tell if I'm just being slightly dumb.

>>63915790
I'd check notes if it isn't on the drafts page

>>63915790
>>63917007
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts#The_Pale_Wasting_and_the_Thexian_Trade_Empire

>>63917913
Thank you.

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>>63913284
She sounds like a paranoid nut job and that's great. It's good that she's come a long way despite staring out so pitiable.

>>63895785
>was not planned but was considered a happy accident

Eldar reproduction requires a genetic contribution from the father at specific intervals during development or a child doesn't happen. She might be telling herself it was an accident but deep down she knows it wasn't.

>>63851589
i whish there were some other depictions of the Imperator Somnium, this one sucks

>>63921137
It's also inaccurate to this continuity. In this AU it would be Art Deco. Imagine the Chrysler Building but sideways.

>>63920203
>but deep down she knows it wasn't.
She just needs a hug.

Trying to get the last few weeks of fluff up. Bit difficult due to health issues.

Are the current drafts for Jubblowski and Czevak complete enough to go up, or should I wait until they get finished or revised?

>>63828711
Believe me, I'm trying to get as much of the fluff up as possible. Been having trouble over the last few months due to health and IRL issues coming first.

bump

>>63927645
As the old Jubblowski stuff is just a brief summary list I would vote for yes.

>>63924160
She would perceive it as an attack. It is not recommended

>>63922895
Also at some point, probably in the WoTB, that ship was lost. Bucephelus replaced it. The old ship was the pride of the AdMech, the new one has xeno-tech buffs.

>>63927645
Are you okay?

Bamp

>>63903549
In this case the pic is probably the aftermath of the daughter telling Yvraine to stop dressing like a tramp. Yvraine had been expecting someone else to be visiting.

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What survivor civ would work with an art nouveau megastructure aesthetic to go with the main Imperium's massive art deco?

>>63939391
Possibly the Interex as they are all for being pretty and approachable and shit whereas the Imperial architecture is meant to impose a certain gravitas on the citizenry.

Inwit are brutal grey slabs that wouldn't look out of place in soviet Russia. But that's because their worlds are shit and their buildings meant to be seen from the inside.

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>>63939918
think we've had the Interex as a mix of United Federation and 2001 a Space Odyssey, going by their general feel and 'scepter shaped' ships

>>63940167
Maybe Valhalla then, as Valhalla is currently a pleasant agri-world.

It does't have to be a Survivor Civ to have it's own architectural preferences.

>>63886945
Are we talking dozens of people or hundreds?

>>63942649
Hundreds around, a few dozen that themselves matter.

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bump

>>63934637
Just carpal tunnel and a few other issues that may be resolvable but make it hard to write plus some family stuff. It's the reason the Notes page hasn't been updated as frequently and the FAQ and Interex are taking forever.

>>63883624
I can't imagine the deliberations of the High Lords would be public. The government of the Imperium strives to be meritocratic, reasonable, bound by law and precedent, but it is not in the slightest bit democratic or transparent. Transcripts (redacted for security reasons) may be released to the public at large but doing so would be effectively a gift from the High Lords to the people to reassure them that their government is functioning well, not any kind of requirement.

>>63940927
>>63939391
That pic looks like Kew Gardens or The Crystal Palace so I'd say more likely Paetoria than Valhalla. Valhalla should be Slavic or Nordic themed or both.

>>63927645
>Czevak
Part one is good to go, https://pastebin.com/08PwHDTb is the latest version.

Still working on the continuation, it will be out by the weekend.

>>63943671
I imagine the chamber itself looks like an amphitheatre with a large round table at the centre. The tiers of seats behind them where the assistants and hangers on sit.

The central table has a seat for each High Lord and two extra for the royal couple on the occasions they are present. None of the seats are marked or higher than the others.

>>63911547
It might vary a little depending on craftworld.

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bumping with scions

>>63956184
On the one hand
>U.N.
>Actually doing anything useful
Pick one.

On the other hand that pic is basically the Nobledark Inquisition.

>>63956266
And the continuation is canon Inquisition.

>>63952151
It looks good and I enjoyed reading it.

>>63956266
>On the other hand that pic is basically the Nobledark Inquisition
t. eldar propaganda

>>63958125
The Eldar would claim that the Inquisition is very effective as there are eldar senior Inquisitors and most non-eldar inquisitors employ eldar in some capacity.

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what's some more stuff for Isha's crazy stalker to get up to?

>>63960421
Trying to sneak into the royal quarters on the Bucephelus to steal genetic samples (hair, skin and other things from the royal bed). Why? Who the fuck knows. Leading theory is cloning Isha or some shit.

Covertly supporting human supremacists to make Isha less welcome in the Imperium so she'll come home.

Trying to seduce/get someone else to seduce Oscar and cause a breakup of the Imperial Family.

Trying to kidnap the adopted children.

>>63960804
>Trying to seduce/get someone else to seduce Oscar and cause a breakup of the Imperial Family.
>Trying to kidnap the adopted children.
these two seem particularly good for stories. First the thought of Nimina, whose bit of backstory has Oscar splatter her across a mountain during the raid as their only personal encounter, trying to seduce him. Then the notion of her trying to invent nurglettes, that failing miserably and only producing what could charitably be called the nastiest skanks imaginable, and then going to the Slaaneshies to recruit their aid. From there the whole thing might spiral into chaos shenanigans that involve summoning/dispatching demons and securing suitable hosts to try to seduce the Emperor, or the Taskmaster stringing her along with necessary favors and payments before rendering help and only revealing after that he and the Prince had tried before, better, and failed ages ago.

>>63958521
Considering the Inquisition predominantly human, how's the general sentiment regarding eldar inquisitors?

>>63962691
part of that is mitigated by the Eldar in general cooperating much more closely with the (relatively) smaller proportion of technologically advanced and politically influential human cultures within the Imperium than they do with the more numerous but also more dispersed insular feudal and agri worlds that don't see interstellar ships often.

bunp

>>63960804
>Trying to sneak into the royal quarters on the Bucephelus to steal genetic samples (hair, skin and other things from the royal bed). Why? Who the fuck knows. Leading theory is cloning Isha or some shit.

Implying there isn't a stalker shrine.

>>63956266
Speaking of less than friendly Inquisitors, I was wondering if given the Prussian/Qunari-like, “marginally better than Kriegers” attitude of most Nova Beastmen, I was wondering if in this timeline Golosh Heldane might be a Beastman Inquisitor. I was thinking he might be someone who has incredibly high expectations about everyone with almost no sense of humor or tolerance for failure and is constantly in a foul mood because no one can live up to his standards (think canon Iron Hands). Indeed, given that the Beastmen still have some stigma associated with them it’s possible his demanding nature is made even worse by the stigma of him being a Beastman Inquisitor, trying to excel to prove those people wrong. Some say he is never happy. Those who have seen him happy say it’s better he rarely is in such a mood, his smile is a hideous unnatural thing and an affront to small children. He’s not one Karamazov’s monodominant bastards because of his Beastman status and he is definitely an Imperial loyalist, but his methods and extreme puritanism have led some other inquisitors to tell him to take things down a notch or risk censure.

On an unrelated note, does Lady Malys have a flagship that she uses to get around (assumedly the Old Empire equivalent of some posh, but not necessarily militarily powerful, fancy car)? If so, what would be its name?

>>63962379
>only revealing after that he and the Prince had tried before, better, and failed ages ago.
"You mean to say you failed?"
"Yes, but it was a beautiful failure."

>>63966417
He could be a Nova Beastman but still be a colossal asshole much as he was in Vanilla. On the surfaces his methods look "harsh but fair" with the expecting greatness from all around him and everyone to live up to his example but they are standards he himself fails to live up to. His motives seem benevolent on the surface but ultimately it's all very self serving.

Most obvious example was trying to kill Eisenhorn for warp dabbling and consorting with deamons. Heldane just wanted his book so he could learn how to do it.

Voke was his old master and Voke fucking hates him now and refuses to associate with him in any way.

>>63969135
Meant for
>>63966841
We haven't mentioned what, if any, ship in particular Lady Malys has.

>>63933654
Do we have a pic of the Bucephelus?

Also who made it? If it's got xeno-tech the Olympus Mons Brotherhood wouldn't have anything to do with it.

I can imagine Hubworlders making the main skeleton of it, lesser brotherhoods filling in the gaps and then the xeno-tech being incorporated into it at later dates as more and more xenos join the Imperium.

>>63962691
Inquisitors are as a group maverick at the best of times. Eldar have difficulty with middle gears and get set in their ways as they get older. Human and other groups in the Inquisition would call them either curmudgeon and prone to being emotionally unbalanced.

Normal people can't tell of they are serious in this because that's how they would class all of.the Inquisition.

>>63960421
Creepy e-mails. Nobody is sure how she got the address or how she gets on to the local networks.

>>63970546
Most of the Great Crusade era stuff that was too unorthodox in design for the OMB to be willing to make were instead built at the shipyards of Luna, which was reactivated as Sol's oldest space port and starship production yard.

>>63969213
Would it still be the same flagship she used on her first date with Vect, or did she trade up when launching the first Black Crusade.

More interesting points;
Did we at some point mention a "Green Kroosade" staged by the Orks, presumably the Gorkamorka's faithful against Chaos and the Imperium?

I think we might have floated the idea that the original basis of Commorragh was Be'lakor's webway bunker, given to the Eldar by Tzeentch along with some mention of their inheritance from the Old Ones, but actually done entirely to piss off the old toad.

Be'lakor naming Slaanesh "Prince of Pleasure (and all of Chaos, etc.)" and building Slaanesh up early on after the fall to avoid being eaten, and to try to steer Slaanesh into an ultimately self-defeating rivalry with Khorne, who he had promised to declare "king of the galaxy" back in the War in Heaven

Did the Emperor's Children chapter that Lucius lead during the Great Hunt get wiped out in the fight with the Wyvern/other vampire, did they become vampires sired my him, did they flee or disband and spread his legend? He seemed to want them to join him in immortality.

>>63974759
Green Kroosade could have been the 8th one that destroyed the paradise world.of Prandium. The whole thing was a direct line for Old Earth which shows characteristic orky straight line thinking.

>>63974467
Void Born rand the Luna Docks but they still had extensive contact with the Priests of Mars and by extension the OMB. They could have done it anyway and scraped enough expertise together from the still somehow independent brotherhoods to account for that and a few other projects but the OMB and vassals had were establishing a monopoly and taking over. The Void Born would have been cutting their own throat on such a deal because the AdMech could survive without them, even if it did give a dip in business, but the Void Born would be hard pressed to survive without the mainline AdMech.

>>63978560
fair point, but the unification era OMB were also ousting lots of other brotherhoods from mars, as well as absorbing them when they could. There were also the Terrawatt tech-adepts and all the various earth peoples that had their own technological orders that post-unification would all be at Oscar's disposal, so there would be a decent pool of talent to draw from. In terms of facilities, in tens of thousands of years and numerous spheres of expansion Luna would have seen repeated use as such a facility, and the massive ship building infrastructure within might be cut right down to its core. There's also the consideration that particularly early on, but forever after as well, the Voidborn aren't just a survivor civ, but the Survivor Civ. They're the only Imperial people with greater seniority in their inclusion therein than the Mechanicus, due to Horus' conditions for their entry they are the backbone of the Imperial fleet, Oscar is obliged to their general welfare, and the whole arrangement was founded on an assumption that he and Oscar would force Mars to comply.

Horus made the call to throw in with Earth instead of Mars knowing Kelbor-Hal would try to bring those exact reprisals, probably having been threatened with them specifically, because he bet that he'd have more to gain extorting them. This mattered because while the Earth had the Sol system's strongest armies and Mars had the strongest industry, and both had sufficient armies and industry to make war on eachother, the Voidborn had the only interplanetary navy worth a damn, let alone one that could be used to launch an interstellar re-conquest of lost colonies. Horus had already put his life's work into uniting the nomadic Voidborn in Sol and nearby systems and becoming King of Empty Space, and while the population united by his leadership was comparable to those organized by Oscar and Kelbor-Hal, those two were uniting planets and Horus was uniting a spacefaring people.

>>63979392
It's one thing for a tribe of Void Born to get a few cargo haulers and escorts patched up on an individual basis, one small group to another small group. It's another entirely to commission the construction of a one of a kind juggernaut like the Imperial Flagship and have it get regular servicing. Which is why the first one was done by the OMB. Also they could build the best shit reliably on huge scale.

Second one was done by the Hubworlders because they also had the capacity, they were known and trusted by that point and were more willing to accommodate xeno-tech and non-standard parts.

The second flagship might get some maintenance done in OMB approved facilities but that's as a courtesy rather than an obligation.

Also the Luna docks and Lagrange Sprawl have expanded a lot since those ancient days.

>meanwhile at the commorrite enclave
https://youtu.be/8U1hYs_rgb4

>>63974759
There was also the "Black Kroosade", the only minor Black Crusade called by a Chaos Ork, led by Rotfang Badgut (a Nurglite name if I ever heard one).

>>63981027
The Five Big Bastards were constructed about the time the Mechanicus joined, being intended to be a team-building exercize to strengthen the bonds between Earth, Mars, and the Migrant Fleet. Mars was said to have used the Lunar shipyards because they were more extensive.

>>63970546
A lot of changes are probably kit-bashed patches when stuff gets broken, though the OMB would probably REEEE at xenos touching one of their most visible works.

>>63969135
Exactly what I was thinking.

>>63981439
Heldane, for the things he has done, might be excommunicated by the Lawmasters of his people. Were it not for his standing in the Inquisition would also have been banished or executed.

>>63981027
I was meaning to add a sentence or two more, ran into the character limit for the post. When Mars and the OMB were brought into the Imperium it was on gracious terms, but the fact of the matter was it came down to two minor powers ganging up on a third in a conquest by diplomatic arrangement. In the early stages of the Great Crusade, and for all of the unification of the Sol system, Oscar and Horus often could set terms for deals with Kelbor-Hal. But despite their (significant) indiscretions they still provided unbelievable bounties of technology and allowed him to go about enforcing his brotherhood's will and particular vision of orthodoxy on distant forgeworlds, which is what really mattered to the OMB as he led it. Then things blew up in Kelbor-Hal's face, schismatics return and start a civil war in the Mechanicus, and Arkhan Land, who actually intends to work with the Imperium, including the Voidborn, deposed and executed him. With an amenable Fabricator General and a major war afoot Oscar and Horus both had plenty more power to grant Land, and Land had plenty more work to do solving their technical problems.

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>>63982553
If I somehow survive work today I'm planning on writing up for the section on Mars. What has been decided on the succession of Fabricator Generals?

>>63988523
It was said in the writeup for the current Fabricator General he was created as part of a batch of hundreds of potential successors by his predecessor, and as the most successful among them he was the one to take the post. I'm not sure if this was standard procedure, or what happens if the Fabricator General dies without appointing a successor. Since the FG is basically the SpaceMechaPope, I'd suggest looking at papal succession for ideas.

>>63988767
Oud Oudia Raskian is a weird case, or at least I imagined he was, as this was actually done in his predecessor's lifetime, and he served under him for some time after his place in the succession was secured.

>>63988767
Paple succession is gathering the Cardinals, drawing up a fuck huge list of candidates and finding reasons why each can't do the job. One with the least reasons not to have the job gets the job.

The three conditions that have to be met to be considered for the list are:

Catholic
Male
Over 30 years old

Presumably the OMB would control and make up the choosing committee and never consider anyone from outside the OMB.

>>63989339
How many Fabricator Generals have there been and were they all named?

>>63981027
Hubworlders also overdesign everything because of a history of getting orked.

>>63988767
>>63991432
We said about six of them, assuming no more were assassinated. One or more may have been female, the split the AdMech cares about is flesh/metal, not male/female.

There was a suggestion that the Apostasy era Fab-General refuses to take sides in the Civil War because supporting either side would lead to a second Mechanicus schism, but we weren't sure about this because the canon Apostasy Fab-General was the most pro-Imperial of any canon Fab-General.

>>63982553
Did we decide if Land was the one assassinated by Vangorich during The Beheading.

>>63993239
It's also possible that the Civil War era FG didn't care very much who won. His ideal outcome would be both sides exhausting themselves to the point where he could assume total control of the Imperium. It just wasn't a very likely outcome so he or she didn't give a shit so long as their rights weren't infringed.

>>63994869
I don’t know, does that make it seem like almost all of the Fabricator-Generals were closet traitors? So far Kelbor-Hal and Oud Oud Raskian have been written that way, with only Zageus Kane not so.

The reasoning we suggested for the Apostasy era Fabricator-General sticking their head in the sand was that half of the Forge Worlds supported Vandire, and the other half supported Thor. If the Fabricator-General supported either side of the Civil War, the other half was liable to take offense and try to break away. By remaining decidedly neutral the Fabricator-General prevented another schism from happening and possibly wasn’t that concerned over who won as long as the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Imperium were in one piece. Neither Vandire nor Thor would overtly declare war on the Adeptus Mechanicus because the AdMech were the ones who made all the things, and not even Vandire was crazy enough to shoot himself in the foot like that. This was supposed to be a contrast with the actions of Ferrus Manus, who decided to take more initiative in opposing Vandire by smuggling dissidents out of Skhallax City. But this was just a suggestion.

>>63996261
Oud Oud Raskian isn't against the Imperium, far from it. He just believes that his position in it should be second only to the Emperor if not equal to it.

>>63993239
>Did we decide if Land was the one assassinated by Vangorich during The Beheading.
I think we granted that it would make the event a bit more striking and unbalancing during the war, but I don't recall if we said it was so. In any event, the OMB's early years were marked by a distinct failure of continuity in its leadership, and this actually worked out pretty well for Oscar and Horus in terms of getting things done in those centuries. Since then there have been much longer terms of leadership by various Fabricator Generals, and the OMB has become more rigid, but the power the Imperium had taken over it was a securely in place as the powers it had granted them by that time.

>>63998274
Who got the job after Land?

>>63999778
Land was never Fabricator-General. He was Mars' ambassador to the rest of the Imperium, and given his own optimistic and friendly nature people liked him. It was when he was gone and no longer able to smooth over things between Kelbor-Hal and other parties that things started to fall apart.

>>64002120
I was under the impression that our version of the mechanicus civil war with their chaos corrupted schismatics was followed by Kelbor-Hal being censured by the OMB and deposed for perceived incompetence, with Land replacing him.

>>64002642
The primary issue would be that he would be Fabricator-General for almost no time at all, since the Mechanicus Civil War overlapped close in time with the War of the Beast.

>>64002642
If he was FG at that time he was executed. AdMech had gone the more vanilla route of fighting Chaos and denied knowledge of it's existence to the majority of their citizenry. He was executed on the grounds of blasphemy as the Omnissiah was an embodiment of human knowledge, he had propagated ignorance and everyone had suffered for it.

>>63989339
Who was Oud Oudia Raskian's predecessor?

>>63982036
It's doubtful that he would risk visiting one of their worlds.

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>>64007316
It might not be that they have ever banned him from returning. They would quite happily see him return, they have a chopping block with his name on it. He was sent a letter asking for his return before they held the trial, he did not arrive so they had the trial without him. His crimes are a whole list of shit ranging from unlawful (to their laws) executions all the way up to consorting with deamons. When he left with Voke they gave him special dispensation to use his formidable psychic powers unsupervised, a rare and generous act but he has done great wickedness with his witch fire and a betrayal of such trust needs to be dealt with harshly.

He would argue that he is subject no longer to their laws. As an agent of the Inquisition he is beyond all but the highest of Imperial Laws. Maybe that is his standing in Imperial Laws, the Uplifted Lawmasters would concede, but he was born to them and that has not changed and their laws are absolute. He, should he ever return, will be apprehended and executed. If he resists then he will be killed. In accordance with Imperial Law his executor will then be turned over to the nearest Adeptus Arbiters agent to await trial. In this way the rule and sanctity of Law is maintained.

He would point out that he won't go quietly and is a very powerful psyker. Such power in the hands of the unworthy only demonstrates an enhanced need for him to be brought down and increased resources are justified in this task up to and including a draft of the PDF of which ever of their worlds he steps onto and the use of local Imperial Army assets (subject to approval from appointed commanding officers) in addition to nuclear weaponry should the Veil of reality be torn or at risk of being torn.

In short it is best for everyone's sake that he never comes home. They had such hopes for him as a representative of their people and a proof of their worth to the galaxy. They were so disappointed.

>>63901796
Is there more to this?

>>64005819
Tataraskiv, apparently. I don't think he's been mentioned at all beyond being Raskian's predecessor.

>>64010805
So we've only got a few in the middle to think of names for.

There was talk about a Year of Three Fabricator Generals when the succession was called into question and it was the only time the OMB almost lost absolute control.

>>64012508
sounds like a good event to add to the more political/cultural side of Imperial history. Should it be pre or post civil war?

>>64013873
I'd say before but not long before. The victor of the dispute being the one who stayed neutral during the whole Civil War and the other two factions saying afterwards that they would have stood against Vandire though they know that they probably wouldn't.

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>>63970546
>Do we have a pic of the Bucephelus?
Like this but a space ship and fucking huge. On par with the 5 Big Bastards but not counted among them because it was built in a different era, much like Macharius isn't a Primarch.

>>63996261
I'd say we make it more than a suggestion. We need more things that The Gorgon could have done later in life, especially as he became more distant to the other followers of the Omnissiah. Dude was ancient in the end, he was a living relic of another long gone era.

>>64017440
We had the Gorgon being proactive, the question was whether to have it contrast with the neutrality of the Fabricator-General.

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>>64014027
Adding my vote to pre-Civil War. Though it might have been longer than a year given how long Imperial politics take to play out, but I can't think of a snappier title.

>>64018839
I would do as it shows the internal divisions of the AdMech they try to hide.

What could be some names for rival brotherhoods to the OMB?

>>64024334
>martian OMB puppet flavor one
>martian OMB puppet flavor two
>martian OMB puppet flavor three
>Imperial throne beholden faction that is too begrudging to quite be a puppet (Orioc)
>less than a dozen Segmentum localized power blocks of tolerably (meaning minutely) heterodox subfactions
>martian OMB puppet flavor four
>Savlar also sent their suggestion for the next Fabricator General, we won't bother reading it to the conclave.

>>64024334
Most of the factions that could oppose or at least be some sort of contender against the OMB would also probably be old money orders that have grown up alongside the OMB and have also got an ancestral presence on the Red Planet. Find a geological formation on Mars and name them after it because that's where their original iteration was located. Then add some sort of divergent methodology or beliefs but not divergent to the point that the OMB would have justification in thinning the competition. OMB can't look too tyrannical or they would offer enough reason for the lesser orders to put aside their mutual dislike and gang up on them and although the OMB is more powerful in terms of assets, numbers, outside allies and secrets then any other order and more powerful than the next nearest few combined if a significant proportion of the lesser united they would have a very real problem. And then the rest of the galaxy would know that the AdMech isn't as united as it likes to pretend and the unity and authority of Mars and the AdMech as a whole would never recover from that.

But if the order gets too weird, unpleasant or heredoxic then they can turn on an order and the others will let them or join in for Good Boy Points. The geographically further away from Mars you are the more you can get away with but the harder it is to convince others of your legitimacy.

Priesthood of Valles Marineris for example. Believe in reaching out to the unwashed masses more than the OMB, would not splice grow recruitment stock in jars but teach the best and brightest of the Imperium, preferably promising commoners so as to maintain distance from the political infighting that the Imperium likes to do (and that they obviously don't because muh enlightenment). Also believes in trying to heal some of the rift with their distant cousin orders in the Hubworlds and giving the lesser brotherhoods a forum to air their opinions publicly without fear of immediate and unreasonable reprisal.

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>>64008575
>They were so disappointed.
That's possibly the only thing that could make Heldane give a shit. Not enough to actually make him stop, fuck no, but enough to hurt a little. He probably did set out with noble intentions and making his family and people proud. It's just that deep down he was an asshole and without the balances of Nova-Beastman culture and society to keep him "normal" he just became more and more monstrous. He was probably still a good person for at least a little while after he finished his apprenticeship under Voke as Voke wouldn't have put him forward for consideration of Inquisitor status otherwise. Not easy to get along with, Nova-Beastmen tend not to be, but you don't have to be charismatic to be an Inquisitor.

The Inquisition never really gets around to booting Heldane out of their ranks because he does get results and of the more worrying things nothing has ever been proven. A lot of shit would have come to light if Eisenhorn had turned up to trial but Eisenhorn did a runner and Heldane as a result never got questioned in any official capacity.

>>64025616
The Three Fabricator Generals could have been an OMB (the eventual winner) another from Mars and the representative of a coalition of lesser Forgeworlds.

How do Beastmen treat their psykers?

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>>64030400
Probably in line with the rest of the Imperium; with respect and caution. I'd imagine the deep Beastman cultural discipline would result in them actually being a bit more reliable than their baseline human counterparts, if possibly less powerful and imaginative.

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What is considered the basic education in the Imperium? How extensive is it?

>>64030400
>>64034399
I'd imagine that if anything, the Beastmen are rather more hostile towards psykers than the majority of the Imperium, but for understandable reasons. The Beastmen already have issues with instincts and base urges and rely on strict discipline and uniformity to keep them at bay.
With such a cultural emphasis on uniformity, something as inherently chaotic as psyker abilities, and the types of mental eccentricities that tend to accompany them, would be seen as stepping out of line and breaking the regimented consistency that their society depends on. That does not mean they reject psykers wholesale, but that they are more willing than most to give them up to the Black Ships without protest, and earning acceptance among them is an uphill battle.

I'd imagine it to be something like a society that relies heavily on the written word having to deal with somebody who is dyslexic like my brother. They don't think less of them, and aren't calling them monsters, but there is constant frustration over why they keep getting things wrong, why do they keep getting things wrong, just read the goddamn signs and stop constantly getting things wrong! and meanwhile the Dyslexic is feeling trapped and frustrated because they KNOW they're getting things wrong, and that being normal and fitting in is right there within reach, but their brain just won't cooperate and get it right.

Of course, the Beastmen can't change their culture to accomodate psykers, because this culture arose to meet the needs of their people as a whole, and there's not much of a middle ground that can be reached other than accepting that there isn't much place for Psykers within their society and giving them up to the Black Ships that will take them someplace where they may finally belong.

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>>64035743
The ones that return to them with the brand of the Sanctioned Psyker upon their brow would be local minor celebrities to an extent. They have earned their place, they went the long way and up hill both ways, they have been dealt an unfavorable hand and they have overcome it to become real people in spite of this. They would be held up as paragon of the faith and examples to the faithful.

>>64035743
The Beastmen's more unstable genetic code might be another reason they might hate psykers, given it might make them even more prone to turning into Chaos Spawn, or worse make those around them do so.

>>64035462
It varies. Feral Worlds it isn't much better than the backwaters of Acre, Brazil today. General education includes what is Chaos and why you shouldn't touch it. People's exposure to Chaos is framed in a distinctly negative light. Chaos is presented as a force that will always, always, ALWAYS fuck you over in the end. Which isn't untrue, but the fact that gods do grant boons to their followers is downplayed. Such a presentation is helped by the fact that most of their case studies are long-term and hammer in the idea that you cannot make a deal with the devil and come ahead.

>>64039245
for feral worlds and maybe feudal worlds you got to teach them not to attack the pointy ear people as well

>>64041205
Eldar aren't more weird looking than the half metal person that's trying to teach them how to technology.

>>64042831
Presumably the job of teaching stone age primatives how to metal goes to the lower classes, so little if no augmentation. Also to prevent culture shock.

>>64043858
Uplifting is probably a specialist discipline. It might be that they get looked down on by the other branches of the AdMech but they are comparable in status. An Uplift Magus is of same rank to a more mainstream Magus, it's just that his job is knowing everything about how to go from Palaeolithic Anatolian to Classical Greece and all stages in between tailored to local resources.

They, like the Explorators, would be considered eccentrics.

>>63966841
Lady Malys needs a flagship. Or at least a flagship that she is using at the moment. She probably has had quite a few of them down the years but her recklessness when the drugs wear off or unpredictability when prodded tends to result in things getting broken.

It would be a half machine, half demonic, half flesh abomination. It's a ship and a half to behold full of extradimensional spaces made by the most bonkers but usefully bonkers Dark Mechanicus adepts, corrupted eldar shipwrights and warpsmiths known to her and powered and possessed by things unmentionable from places indescribable.

Inside it's a cross between a high class bordello on a coke binge, a slaughterhouse and a cathedral during a celebration procession. Outside it looks like a shark/octopus made of blood and gears and heavy weapons.

Much like many of her other toys it's fast and hard and devastating in all the right ways and can turn up unexpectedly from strange angles of assault and penetration.

I can't think of a name for it because Chariot of the Gods is already taken and Event Horizon is too obvious (and possibly already taken).

>>64046403
Harbinger is a good name. Herald maybe.

>>64046403
We did a little bit of eldar etymology, and I was thinking the 'dome' suffix we defined for Shaa-Dome as 'home, door, threshold' would work pretty well in an Eldar translation of the idea of an event horizon. For the other half of the name we'd want the Eldar word for a singularity or black hole.

>>64047844
Threshold of Enlightenment or is that too long.

>>64049407
Well, presumably the name would be rendered in high-tongue, so something to the effect of “singularity’s threshold”, “edge to the black abyss’ infinite gravitational influence”, “passage to a transcendent state of being”, “beyond this demarcation all reality falls apart”, etc are all compressed into “something”-Dome (or some other declination if that word).

>>64047238
>Harbinger of Darkness
or
>Herald of Darkness
?

>>64050700
Malys does not see her mission as one of darkness but one of Enlightenment.

>>64015987
How many would a ship the size of the Bucephelus employ and house?

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Was the Jubblowski writeup saved anywhere and was it worth saving?

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>>64054698
From what I could tell it was pretty good and should go up, but I wasn't sure if there were going to be further changes by the author. Haven't had time to save it or Czevak yet due to carpal tunnel.

>>64049842
That's a pretty good one. I was thinking something more Culture-esque like "Atrocity" or "Abomination" but that sounds much better. And of course the awesome "Manifest Ectasy" is already taken.

And I just realized while typing this that it could also literally be translated as "on the edge".

>>64050858
Enlightenment is a bit long, change it for 'Dawn'.

>>64055586
>more Culture-esque like "Atrocity" or "Abomination"
Those aren't ship names for the culture, those are classes of warship, called such to show the culture's view of warfare. The warships themselves take names much like other culture ships.

So is the cold trade still a thing in this AU?

>>64057839
Illegal trade in highly regulated goods will always be a thing, and also just because humans and aliens are somewhat okay with each other doesn't mean we'd want the xenos to get their hands on nukes, and the Eldar wouldn't want us messing about with soulstones.

>>64057839
>>64059719
Relative lightness of status quo must have it more spread but less troublesome.

What leads me to think if there are hot-stuff flea markets on Chaos-corrupted worlds in this timeline. Old-ish lore had some interesting view of it with even inquisitors going there.

>>63751904
You guys made 77 threads about an alternate version of the 40k setting that will never take off and no one will ever use?

>>64060026
I think Chaos stuff will always be off-limits except to the mad and the terminally curious/epicurean. Most Cold Trade stuff is, as said, just to avoid heavy regulations and taxes. I wouldn't say it's more 'troublesome' per se, but it'd certainly form most of the offworld smuggling that plagues the Imperium.

>>64060075
P. much, yeah. That said, while I'm with you 100% on 'never take off','never use' is another matter. Several people have mentioned using the setting for their own games, tabletop anyway, though i think we can all agree we'll never see an official TTRPG book for this.

>>64056626
Herald of The Dawn?

>>64059719
Soul Stones are still massively valuable because they take a long time to make. But they are made rather than only scavenged from the Crone Worlds.

Inquisition and Grey Knights have access to them for the containment of deamonic entities.

>>64061512
Herald of Dawn.

>>64060075
>creativity bad

>>64060379
>though i think we can all agree we'll never see an official TTRPG book for this
All in good time, mate.

>>64055586
>Manifest Ectasy
That's fucking beautiful.

>>64064714
>>64055586
Manifest Ectasy it is then.

Ship itself looking like Sharktopus made of The Flesh That Hates and clockwork Soviet tanks with guns sticking out of it.

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>>64065779
>>64064714
>>64055586
Spaceship-anon here, and thus the one who first came up with and used "Manifest Ecstasy" as a ship-name, and I am completely okay with that being used as the name for Malys' flaship. I can go back and rename the minor Crone Cruiser from the battle something else, because the flagship is much more deserving of the name.

Speaking of, I apologize for not really having finished the battle yet. I got a new computer with the hardware to actually run games recently, and while actually playing World of Warships has given me plenty of material for writing about imperial spacebattles... well, it also means I've been playing a lot of World of Warships. Between that and school, writing sort of fell by the wayside. I haven't given up writing it, and do have the end-game planned out, I just need to finish riding out the high of finally getting my ship-combat fix.

>>64066320
I know that feel. Stellaris update and mods are so addictive.

>>64055586
I've put the Jubblowski stuff up. it.can be changed and updated later if needed.

Theme of next thread?

>>64070113
Autistic Mars Adept

Big Tiddy Space Nun

Humourless Beastmen

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>>64070113
Notable Vessels maybe?

>>64070113
CHAOS

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