What the heck happened? The previous thread just disappeared from the board and it doesn't seem like it just fell off, it wasn't even present in the archive of recent threads on /tg/. Did it get nuked?

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I've no idea, and it's weird because we were having an actual conversation on the conflict at Baal and that old Human Dominion ship.
I mean, it's possible somebody was just a bit too slow to bump, but it's very strange all the same.

In any case, the Imperium still stands!

>>64152078t
that pic got me think about the state of imperium plasma weaponry is in this setting. Are they still likely to blow up in your face?

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>>64152253
It's a question of relativity. Compared to canon, they're leagues safer, thanks to innovations from both within the Mechanicum and from Xenos like the Tau. Objectively, though, they're still very dangerous weapons- venting face-melting exhaust isn't at the level of practically being expected, but it's still something that happens, either through negligence or wearing down over the course of a battle or just plain bad luck. By modern standards they'd be an unacceptable safety hazard, but for the Imperium their usefulness outweighs the dangers, though they still put wielders through a thorough course on what can go wrong and how to avoid getting yourself killed by your own gun.

Something I was going to mention last thread is if we can we could always write up stuff as minor codex entries similar to what GW does and what we have on the wiki. It would be a good way to get stuff written down so we don't have to keep referring people to the Notes page or say "remember when..." Having done one I've found the minor codex entries liberating as it requires much less background research and adding in minor details. And if nothing else we can expand on them later.

>>64152078
Was going to say I agree with the idea from last thread that the actual Baal front was a small portion of the battle and the main show was Necrons versus Khornates.

>>64152253
Pulse weaponry is straight up a safer version of plasma that trades a little killing power for reliability. An army equipped with pulse weapons would slaughter one with lasguns (though am army with regular plasma would do better if their weapons didn't explode). Problem is they're only made by the Tau Empire, the AdMech won't officially touch them as they see it as codifying the sentiment that the Tau are better than them with plasma (which is true), so good luck finding one or repairing it if it gets broken outside of Tau space.

We still need names for Yvraine’s children

>>64152504
Hey give you oven mits now as standard.

>>64153434
Keep in mind that the deamon leading the Khorneites was doing it to exterminate Baal as petty revenge against Sanguinius.

>>64155370
>>64153434
Baal might have been the reason for both parties turning up but once they started kicking the shit out of each other Baal became "we'll do it once were done here".

>>64152504
>>64153434
The modern AdMech built and approved plasma weapons might be safer because of Tau and Eldar pointers on the subject (the high ups were pretty sure it wasn't Dragon inspired if it was from the lesser races) but the Imperium will never adopt straight xeno designed weapons. Reason being the AdMech have a near-monopoly on all manufacturing and they refuse to make spare parts or ammunition for them. To do so would, in practical terms, require a galaxy wide refurbishment of their manufactorums and they don't have the time or patience and the dip in productivity whilst this is happening would be disastrous. On a spiritual level they don't believe humanity should be using things not made by humanity.

>>64154274
She remade herself on Beil-tan and they are Noldor in space so something from there maybe.

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>>64156909
Youngest, the daughter who is still with her, could be Helyanwëneth which is a mix of Quenya and Sindarian for Rainbow Girl. There are no rainbows in the Dark City but there are plenty on the island she lives on now. She is the daughter of the much older eldar man who tends the primeval orchard a few miles from Yvraine’s dwelling place. Helyanwëneth is full Exodite and has taken up mostly fishing some way down the shore.

Naurnith is Sister of Fire in Sindarian and was her first daughter and eldest child. She works as a chef in a dockyard establishment on Biel-tan. She is the daughter of a relatively young storage house keeper who Yvraine chose because he was no threat to her, she got along tolerably well with (they drank in the same only slightly shady pub) and he looked like he had good genes (what measure she was using to reach this conclusion is anyone's guess). Also he was close enough that she kind of trusted him as much as she trusted anyone at that point in her life but was not so important to her that she would loose much sleep over having to either sever contact with him. Naurnith is full craftworlder and will probably be doing the exact same job as now in thousands of years time.

Cadhrion in Sindarin is Son of Shouting. He is the middle child and the son of the Dire Avenger Exarch Yvraine served under on the Path of the Warrior. She chose him because she trusted him totally and was emotionally ready to open up to someone close to her. Also he would make a good protector for her and their offspring, it not having occurred to her that a potential mate should be more than a trained killer. Cadhrion first took the path of the bone singer and specialized in maintenance and repair of the craftworld's architecture, but he changed to the Path of the Warrior when the fire in his blood called. He did not join the temple of his father but instead became a Swooping Hawk.

>>64157761
Why is she yelling at daughter?

>>64156137
On a macro level, this is true. However, it is worth noting that, as we discussed in a previous thread- and yeah, this brings up the point other anon raised of minor codex entries- things get a bit muddier when it comes to Regimental cogboys. As the cogboys assigned to combat units tend to be the ones considered to be either disposable or too radical/eccentric for the Mechanicum proper, there's something akin to a backdoor policy within many regiment's repair units. If a guardsman manages to get his hands on a pulse rifle, it is usually possible to get it at least maintained- with the caveat that it has to be done behind closed and locked doors, with hefty price tags in terms of either barter goods, assisting with the cogboy's personal projects, or favors- steep enough terms that the guardsman is essentially stuck completely at the Cogboy's mercy in exchange for just keeping their weapon working. Of course, many consider this an acceptable price for the increased odds of survival granted by the better equipment.

This does not mean such weapons are common- the majority of regiments will have something along the lines of one to five men with such exotic weaponry, out of the millions of guardsmen within a regiment.

Of course, it also depends on galactic location and various factors of the regiment itself. For example, Happalachian Regiments have a comparatively-high number of pulse rifles within circulation, due to cultural emphasis on personal/passed-down weapons, willingness to "repair" things with duct-tape and scrap metal until it's "good 'nuff," and having "procured" many pulse rifles from the Tau during the Happalachian Hill Race. Of course, this is also somewhat excused by the fact that Happalachians tend to get perilous assignments like anti-Titan deployments or assaulting fortresses that require climbing or descending extremely hazardous terrain.

>>64159732
Happalachian anti-titan crews probably consists of Happalachians with diamond picks and ropes and shit. Wait one to walk past and climb up the legs, attach melta-bombs to the knee joints and gravchute the fuck out before the fireworks.

They are considered insane even by Happalachian standards.

>>64157761
She always told herself that Helyanwëneth was a happy accident. She didn't intend to have another kid. She does not have any real feelings for Orchard Man, he's just convenient and tolerable when she gets an itch that needs scratching. She's a badass warrior from the depths of Low Town in the City of Sins, she isn't going soft in the heart and settling down. He's just some late night entertainment, he isn't her husband or anything. He's someone to talk to, she doesn't get many visitors unless the Inquisition want something and that's why she visits him.

She keeps telling herself this but finds it increasingly hard to believe.

>>64160379
The insanity doesn't come from the jumping off and grav-chuting away- hell, they were doing similar jumps with far more low-tech stuff like glorified hang-gliders before the Imperium showed up. It's not even the use of explosives. What makes them crazy is that they're climbing something while it's moving- if a mountainside is moving, you try and get out of the way, not start climbing.

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Any ideas about the Savlar system in the thousands of years after contact? There was talk that it would obviously have seen some measure of development put into it by the Imperium to effectively utilize and ship the neutronium, and even if they couldn't set foot on the planet, the OMB would be present doing the biggest industrial espionage operation in the last ten thousand years, and all the rogue traders and hangers on that do the scavenger hunt would have their HQs set up in system. Essentially that Savlar would have gone from toxic lunacy mine to toxic lunacy boomtown.

>>64159010
To stop whistling at human off-worlders.

>>64156137
>>64159732
We should also consider that Rogue Trader megacorps might also want to dabble in pulse rifle manufacture, especially if they're far from Martial strongholds and have hereteks to call on. That said, the Tau themselves might not be keen on letting pulse tech become too popular- they have little enough leverage on the greater Imperium as it is after all. In addition, pulse ammunition is still plasma, requiring advanced manufacturing facilities to make, while lasguns can be made in a cave with a box of scraps.

So yeah, while pulse rifles might be somewhat common around Ultramar and the Tau Empire, elsewhere they're still as rare as they are in canon. After all, you don't really need a weapon made halfway across the galaxy when some dude (at least, you think they're a dude) with a black hole gun is right there.

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>>64164849
The Tau don't operate on a capitalist economy. Giving away pulse rifles and other goodies at cost or near cost price is a good way to show off the superiority of their Earth Caste and show why they are preferable to the AdMech. The Tau have ambition to increase in influence beyond their numbers and become the third species making the decisions in the Imperium and stand up there with the humans and the eldar.

But that's a long term "sometime in the next ten thousand years" plan. Right now they will settle for getting a say in the running of their corner of the galaxy. For their own good of course. Every world they have seen without exception needs a dose of The Greater Good.

Since joining the Imperium they have found many doors open to them in this regard and outposts and enclaves are popping up well beyond the Empire's borders and traditional spheres of influence like the roots of a sapling that dreams of being a great oak.

>>64164118
There is no law stopping the OMB or main branch Mechanicus from coming to Savlar. It's just that if they get within about half a mile of The Factory the Savlar Brotherhood starts yelling obscenities at them via loud speaker for all to hear.

There would be some development on the planet. It will still be absolute shit tier planet but not as bad as it started. Introduced extremophile organisms, enclosed habitats, a thriving environmental resistance augmentation industry and off world sales of recreational and medical drugs.

There's also the off world garrisoning force. Savlar, such as it is, is still too much of an asset to the Imperium to risk the safety of it. You know you annoyed the wrong person if you get posted here for your career as a guardsman.

>>64165313
Savlar has its own imperial guard regiments, they aren't numerous or very well supplied, but they're deadly with what they have. And what they have are totally unorthodox extremophile augmetics form the Savlar Brotherhood, and an heirloom Iron War-era death ray for every hundred men armed with faulty lasguns.

We also floated the idea that the Imperium would have invested in a space port, if not an actual elevator, to facilitate shipping the actual neutronium.

>>64165313
I always pictured the tau giving guns to rebels in shadow wars that favor them

8th is already nobledark? Or is it noblederp?

>>64166666
don't think GW knows what it wants to be anymore tbqh

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>>64166666
It's whatever suits to flush more money into GeeDubs' pockets.

Also devil quints, have nobledark Lelith as prize.

>>64166612
I could see this being a real big point of contention between the Imperium and the tau. The tau don't see any problems with it, it's simply "maintaining stability by supporting groups whose interests align with supporting society". The imperium gets frustrated because it's the equivalent of Western nations funneling weapons to insurgent groups and they were afraid the tau are going to create something that they can't put down. Also because it makes the Imperium look weak and playing favorites. But on the other hand the Imperium is being overly controlling in the situation and it's easy to preach neutrality when the consequences aren't in your backyard. It's likely such dispute would already have been resolved if Ultramar was the one doing it.

>>64164118
Savlar society today is a mix of early colonization Australia and California during the gold boom on all of the LSD? That's a frightening thought.

>>64169442
Exactly, except the locals have a small but not dismissable technological base and semi-sovereignty granted by the Imperium.

>>64169442
Man, the comparisons between the western end of the galaxy and the Age of Exploration just keep piling up.
In this case, the Tau's willingness to distribute pulse rifles to groups they support would be comparable to colonizing nations providing natives with guns to assist in removing tribes that were hostile towards the colonizers, with critics pointing out how this could create problems down the line.
That leg of the galaxy would probably have a shot at becoming the dominant culture once the Imperium-Chaos conflict is settled, if not for the tide of voracious flesh that's poised to wash over them.

>>64169442
Populated by Florida Man.

>>64162878
There's almost certainly a genre of film in the Tau Empire that features shit like this. It's part action, part comedy and part horror. It's called "things outsiders do".

>>64165755
Savlar might have it's own guards but it's still too much of a risk for such a vital place. Also the Imperium doubts and not without cause the professionalism of the Savlar regiments and would rather entrust the safety of The Factory to people who are sober.

All in all it's better to have a mixed group of others, who due to a broad origin are unlikely to all become corrupted, than drawing from a single well.

Also it's a way of punishing the elite soldiery without wasting their skills. The Savlar assignment is a shithole but a very valuable shithole, it's of vital importance but has no prestige to it.

>>64171832
What would be the equivalent of Florida Man? Assuming not a cultist.

>>64166612
They aren't rebels, they're peace keeping forces and freedom fighters.

But in all fairness the Imperium does the same thing. If an Inquisitor or an Arbiter gets called to a planet undergoing a civil war and they feel that the insurgents have a point about the current crop of rulers being a bunch of shitheads and tyrants then they might just order the oncoming Imperial Army to side with the rebellion.

This is not to say that the rebels will get to be in charge, fuck no. The Administratum gets the job until someone arises from the local population they feel confident in handing over to, centuries though it might take.

If the rebels had a point but are no better they might be purged afterwards because it's possible for both sides of a conflict to be in the wrong.

On the whole the Imperium doesn't care, right up until it does care and then everyone involved will wish that the problem could have been taken care of inhouse and quietly.

>>64175293
I feel the main difference and the sticking point for the Imperium is that when the Imperium does it, they're equipping the freedom fighters with Lasguns, and if they turn out to be trouble the Imperium can bring far more soldiers with both lasguns and armored support to bear. The Tau are giving out what are essentially less-powerful plasma guns, which makes the cost of taking down such a group that proves trouble much, much higher.

>>64175416
The Tau have the option of setting the Kroot on them.

>>64176607
The Kroot I can imagine have spread a lot further than the Tau on the principle that they want to find new food rather than prosthelytize.

Orks are attacking all of the Imperium and Kroot have to eat sapient species to keep higher brain functions. They also eat human if nobody is looking.

>>64167662
>>64157761
Do craftworlders have toned down DEldar looking clothes for fun or "special" occasions.

>>64179294
Youngsters will probably use them to express self-determination, 'non submission to the imperial society' or whatever you may call it.

Some will even go far as to provoke humans and that usually leads to people getting fun, approached by Arbites, beaten with electro-batons, sleeping in prison, and then released to restart it all over.

>>64180440
Depending on location they could risk getting lynched.

>>64180842
They probably won't go where the mob is easily triggered unless the intention is to pick some fights.

More learned folks will appreciate the daring behavior and invite them to get booze/drugs/pussy.

>>64181346
More learned folks would tell them to stop being fucking cringe inducing edge masters.

>>64178625
>[The Kroot] also eat human if nobody is looking.
When the Kroot take out a nest of annoying gangers for the Arbites, there's probably quite a lot of looking the other way when it comes to what happened to the bodies later or the exact manner of their disappearance.
The Kroot aren't stupid. They pick their targets very carefully, and every hive has more than enough groups of gangers that nobody wants.

>>64176607
For worlds already in the Tau Empire or deeply in their influence when things go very wrong the Vespid come out to play. The Vespid don't tolerate hostile behavior, they don't tolerate dissent and they really don't tolerate vilent uprisings. The are us, not I. Kill one and another will take it's place identical bar the potential that it will listen to your excuses.

Add to this a creature that can approach a god damn Astartes in capability and wield weapons that make tanks hesitate as if they weighed no more than a laser weapon.

>>64182517
So eldar teens in the imperium go through a emo phase?

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>>64183963
Lynn Mywin did, then the Inquisition kicked the stupid out of her and turned her into Zaeed Massani in elf girl form.

>>64183963
that or a camo phase, like taldeer

>>64182517
With 'learned folks' I meant people who know about the Eldar but aren't necessarily moral upstanders.

I was thinking the Imperium should have an edgelord subculture that can be either harmless or a thorn on the Arbites' side.

>>64183500
>Governor of far eastern spinward star Bumfuckia Nowhere XIV builds up a "stellar guard reserve group", "Governor's honor brigade", or just straight up private army
>kills or subverts the PDF, starts trying to centralize power to build up fleets, maybe even anex his neighbors
>hoping his ties in the nearest Imperial fleets and fighting forces will let his conquests out in the boonies proceed with a delayed response that would let him tidy up and make things look semi-legitimate when the army arrives
>or better yet, no response unless someone important, like a local but still distant astartes chapter or inquisitor, takes a particular interest in his shadow war
>but before he can secure the system the tide is already shifting, PDF remnants that fled into the hills can't be rooted out, and they're picking off every man he sends to kill them with deadly long plasma guns and precision missile strikes
>Their tactics have changed, much improved over the feckless semi-professional force he'd intentionally softened before making his play, now radically different from any Imperial soldiery he'd observed

>>64185379
Imperial edgelord culture would be an interesting mix of Eldar edgelord stuff, sexualized Isharite lore, the weird aristocratic fur coat catholic BDSM, cyberpunk slum dweller look from a lot of the older warhammer art, with a mix of the hyper-militant and the satirically militant. Essentially, they're humans pretending to be in vanilla 40K without realizing it, as the extension of what we've toned down. They'd all be anti-chaos for the most part, though possibly venerating Magnus and Ahriman as patrons of the civilized occult, and would have various cultural rules across various subcultures in the vast galaxy that would distinguish them from the likes of Slaaneshies.

>>64185598
I would imagine that subculture forms in agri and civilized worlds a lot and some of the more puritan believe its the get way drug to chaos

>>64185706
*gate

>>64172154
It's basically like a dramaticized "America's Funniest Home Videos."
It's also proven incredibly popular with the groups that these films tend to cover. Who wouldn't enjoy laughing their ass of at how horrified the documentary-guy sounds at the idea of making a fifty-story jump with a hang-glider? That's practically the baseline for getting around on Happalachia! And even that's not as funny as their coverage of the Catachans- rumor has it that half the documentary crew was eaten with the first hour of touching down on the planet.

>>64178625
I can see that, given that the Kroot have spread much further than Tau in canon (even to the western parts of the galaxy). I can see this being due to the tau's tendency to micromanage. When a group of Kroot want to go somewhere they just pick up, point their war sphere wherever they want to go, and go. Kroot have no centralized government and the various tribes are about as independent from one another as Demiurg brotherhoods.

The tau, when they want to move out, make a big deal of things, have to travel in a big group, and require things to be planned out to the smallest detail years in advance. Even though some individual tau don't subscribe to this mindset, they have to deal with the Empire's bureaucracy which for the most part does. Which is why most tau you encounter away from the Eastern fringe tend to be either military units on tour, lone proselytizers, diplomats (especially if you're talking about the Sol system), or affiliated with the Inquisition.

>>64185598
I don't think that it's possible to sexualize Isharite lore, it'd be like trying to make the ocean soggy by throwing buckets of water at it.

>>64184259
>Zaeed Massani in elf girl form.

This will never not be funny.

>>64184259
I'm writefagging something for this.

>>64191375
Maybe if they focus more on the sexual aspects of Isha's rites; as I see it, she's more of a mother figure after all, and you can't be a mom without some banging going on. Isharite edgelords just focus on the sticky fun stuff instead of the sticky unfun stuff.

>>64193421
And done

https://pastebin.com/FWYBWMxg

Is it okay?

>>64190143
To the Tau everything is still a great endeavour and new and exciting. To the Imperium it's Tuesday.

>>64195598
It's good. You got the name's mixed up at one point but other than that it's a good read.

>light fan rewrite
>humans ally with the ones that fucked over the first human federation

Yea, no.

>>64198524
It's light in that all the old pieces and characters are mostly there but the theme is changes. Rather than shit people in a shit world being shits it's good people in a shit world doing the best they can.

For a heavy rewrite look at Imperium Asunder or the Hektor Heresy.

>>64198524
>>64199365
It's also important to mention the eldar causing the end of the Dark Age of Technology is complete fan continuity popularized by Out Of The Dark. There is nothing in canon about the revolt of the Men of Iron even being associated with the Eldar empire or it's fall beyond suspicious timing. The only mention of the eldar even interacting with the Men of Iron is a single line in The Beast Arises saying "oh yeah, we fought once" (the same speaker also says the canon Emperor and Eldrad used to be friends). The idea of the eldar intentionally destroying humanity's golden age is about as canon as the eldar screwing everyone over by accident like in Nobledark (that is, there is no evidence for or against it). It just caught in fanfic because the idea was popular on Spacebattles which really hates the eldar and other "space elf" races like Vulcans or Asari.

>>64199691
>It just caught in fanfic because the idea was popular on Spacebattles which really hates the eldar and other "space elf" races like Vulcans or Asari.
Mostly because they don't conform to their prefered way of having any/every faction behave, immediately and universally producing the biggest calculable explosions that could be extrapolated from the most marginally rare examples of the factions behavior and capabilities. It's fair to hate the space elf shtick, vulcan 'logic' variant especially, but their problem is more fundamental.

>>64187471
>And even that's not as funny as their coverage of the Catachans- rumor has it that half the documentary crew was eaten with the first hour of touching down on the planet.
Very funny! Hahaha! Good joke!
>Was really 75%, not half...

>>64199691
In this AU the eldar caused the Age of Strife inadvertently by poisoning tue warp with Slaanesh foetus and cocaine flavoured torture jizz.

>>64199691
Fair points, but I wasn't even talking about the Eldar potentially causing the MoI revolt. I was talking about them producing a Chaos God, which caused galaxy-wide warp storms for thousands of years. I think it's stated in canon that the Federation/Dominion won the MoI war and were slowly recovering until the warp storms isolated all worlds, which was the definite death knell for the Golden Age humanity.

Not sure if humanity in this AU knows about the hubris of the Eldar, but either way it's weird to ally specifically with them.

>>64203327
It’s not like strange bedfellows aren’t a typical component of human history (Soviets and US/UK in World War II, etc.). It’s just in this case so much time has passed that both species can barely remember a time where the other wasn’t around.

I’m not even sure if anyone has actually correlated the Men of Iron going crazy with the birth of Slaanesh in this timeline. From humanity’s point of view, the AI with a few notable exceptions all just went crazy one day and they had no idea what was going on with the Old Eldar Empire. Which is why there is still so much stigma against AI (and even the Men of Gold to some degree, some of Oscar’s behavior is specifically because he is afraid of turning out like the original Men of Gold). On the eldar side, nobody gave enough of a crap to see what was happening with the mon-keigh god machines: everyone was either too high or preoccupied with getting away from the Old Empire.

One reason that we’ve mentioned as to why humanity and eldar allied (indeed, there was a write up for the wiki in the last thread) is that the two races understood each other better than most, especially by the standards of the Age of Strife. The Craftworlders were one of the few groups the Imperium could expect. On top of that the two groups had almost no competition for resources besides the Maiden Worlds (and even those on to really suitable for human habitation). Eldar were by far better neighbors than orks or slaugth. The other races that we’ve mentioned that were well known at that time and reasonable were the thexians, who hit the Imperium’s uncanny valley, and the tarellians, who had problems when one lizard dictator tried to annex a human world and called in oaths of allegiance to their buddies when the Imperium showed up.

>>64205407
Barely anyone remembers the old scraps between the Dominion and the Old Empire. Humanity because so many generations had passed and the eldar because they saw it is not their problem. The only group that really does remember are the Hubworlders, who were on good terms with the Old Empire before the Fall and are really keen to remind the eldar that they've racked up a time of karmic debt for breaking the old defensive pacts than anything else.

When the Raid happened the eldar suggested it in a manner that the imperium could understand the motivations of, they did so in a begrudging, halfhearted manner, paranoid that the other party was going to stab in the back but at the same time realizing that if they did nothing the situation was not going to change. The Imperium could relate. Contrast with the Thexians, who were so friendly they set off alarm bells in the Imperium’s head and they NOPED away from them. Additionally, while the Steward didn’t unconditionally trust the eldar, he trusted them to act in their own best interests.

It helps as well that the Craftworlds and Exodite eldar have the alibi of “yeah we told them it was going to end badly, that’s why we left”. It’s not 100% true but eldar hate to lose face over anything.

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>>64198427
Agreed, it is good bar the one slip up mentioned by >>64198427

>>64207767
Is it worth going on the page?

>>64184259
Keep in mind that eldar are big. Taldeer is.considered amusingly petite because she's only six foot tall.

>>64209254
Yes I'd say.

>>64202575
It was just a prank bro

>>64209731
She also has slutty ears which doesn't help her.

Bumping with promise of writefagging

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>>64157761
What is the name of Orchard Eldar and does he know that she's from the Dark City?

Are there any plans on the part of the Necrons to deal with the 'Nids or do they see it as not their problem? They aren't edible to the bugs, don't need worlds that are and the bugs will probably die when they dick slap the Big Red Cadian Button like everything else connected to the warp.

But are there any that take them as a personal insult and want them gone?

>>64220968
More that they don't intend to let the tyranids harvest most of the galaxy's organic material and volatile elements, because they'd rather not have the galaxy they want to finally rule in place of the Old Ones strip-mined of most of its non-super abundant natural resources. Sure they have the industrial capacity to ignore such things, but they want subjects and species with which to reverse biotransference.

>>64221376
Is there a Necron Lord with ambitions to solve the bug problem?

Could be appointed by the Silent King or taken it upon themselves. There must be one, they can't possibly have avoided meeting before, Necrons often wake up on worlds that have life on them, even if it diddn't when the they went to sleep.

>>64222072
I like the idea of necrons having a dedicated pest control unit

>>64222397
But which one would it be? An already named one or do we make one up?

It could be a minor one, or at least one that has earned some degree of ire from the Silent King, and been given the job as a joke or a punishment.

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>>64222072
>Could be appointed by the Silent King or taken it upon themselves.
>Necron Lord, sane and loyal but neither particularly powerful or high in status
>relatively free thinking even, since the Silent King's attention is rarely occupying his mind
>As the NSE leadership is awakening Szarekh summons him to his court, briefs him on the Tyranid situation as best their instruments and intelligence operations can gather at that time
>tasks him with heading off to the edge of the galaxy to begin sorting things out with gauss cannons, and to oversee the destruction of tyranid any incursion into NSE territory along the way
>gets his pick of a reasonably sized contingent of elite warriors and specialists from the Triarchy's forces, and a dozen (or the Necrontyr's colloquial equivalent) Triarchy inertialess drive ships to supplement his own more modest fleet, even some industrial ships and strategic weapons
>sent on his way, with additional extension of his command protocols to let him take charge over leaderless or rebellious Necron forces off in the hinterland of their empire, just in case he needs to raise some local levies to deal with the problem

>Szarekh gets back to rebuilding his empire and even the novelty of international politics that doesn't involve death ray fights with Lizard Wizards
>He figures that the force he sent on this mission should be entirely sufficient to scour the bugs from his volume of space, and if not, and they call for reinforcement or return defeated he has plenty more resources to direct towards the problem, minor to in his view though it is
>The reports from the expedition are generally lacking in anything Szarekh would have brought to his attention by his analyst-courtiers, so its actually through a diplomatic exchange with Oscar that he first hears of this lord's campaigns against the hive fleets and his adventures, the tales of which have traveled as far back into the galaxy as Ultramar
Make it the Alan Quartermain to the Necrons

I've added Lynn Mywin goes on Holiday to the writing page.

I'll fix the names and when I'm not using a phone.

>>64223725
Szarekh would brush it off because it really does mean nothing to him, the lord's reports have already conveyed that the fight against the Tyranids is about as one sided as predicted (at the time even Necron estimates were still orders of magnitude below the actual size of fleet Jormungandr, and the apparent lack of threat to them made reevaluating this a low priority) and that the losses he'd taken had be made up for by Necron forces he'd found and reactivated, etc. That primitives see these minor engagements as an epic, already nearly mythic clash between a valiant immortal and an innumerable ancient evil is to be expected, that's just how high above them the NSE is. Oscar's politic suspicion of the NSE expedition would mean to Szarekh that he at least is sensible enough to continue treating with, something he'd put on Oscar being an artificial being with bits of Necron derivation if he ever found out. Szarekh might even be blunt enough to just flatly admit "yep, no trick, I told him to fight the Tyranids so that's what he's doing," though the intimidation factor of that would also be part of it. But then he'd go back to things he gives a fuck about, and this ranks very low on his list.

Even after the Imperium-NSE cold war kicks off Szarekh may never bother to elaborate on this lord's orders, and he'd still be out there on the edge of the galaxy, backed by whatever forgotten soldiers of the Star Empire he finds still in marching order, standing in the oncoming tide of Tyranids with scythe swinging and gauss flayers ablaze.

>>64224119
>>64223725
anyone like the idea?

>>64220968
The Necron pylons on Cadia would affect the tyranids. The hive mind is psychic in nature, it’s just that it’s such a huge and alien psychic entity that it’s chittering drowns out the rest of the warp. Being completely cut off from it (as opposed to the connection being muted like when a synapse creature dies) would kill the tyranids entirely as the controlling animus of their bodies is now gone. However, the Necrons would be just as interested in fighting them off the tyranids, because if the tyranids go through the galaxy before the Necrons activate the Cadian pillars it would be a moot point because the Necrons have no galaxy to rule over.

To put it another way, and to refer back to the Renaissance versus Victorian era comparison, the Necron see the tyranids like a really bad locust infestation. The Imperium sees them as an act of God.

>>64222072
>>64223725
>>64224119
I like everything about this.

>>64224014
Thank you so much.

>>64224119
The others wouldn't call him out on any blatantly obvious claim of control over Oscar because of command protocols and threat. But he would have lost some face and everyone knows it.

>>64223725
He could be a friend of the Nemensor.

How individual are basic Necron warriors?

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>>64230418
Most of them really aren't very individual at all anymore.

>>64230418
>>64232890
not from actual standardization of their minds though, but because they've had their souls cut off and much of their personality and experience of emotion with it, and unlike the lords their minds have usually been occupied with prescriptive orders, rather than tasks chosen for being suited to their (remaining) individual nature and pronounced to them such that they will freely elaborate upon the orders, as their superiors are often handled. Left to their own devices Necron soldiers mill about, even make idle conversation, but have little to say.

>>64228901
There may be some "loyal" Necron aristocrats looking at Oscar as their only hope but unable to act on it.

What happened to the Aurelian Technocracy and the Interex in this AU? More importantly, what happened to the STC that produced power armor for regular humans?

>>64235127
Interex is still around, they endured The Beast but not without costs in scars and blood, libraries burned and manufacturing capability ruined. But they endure and have grown strong as a member state of the Imperium.

Aurelian Technocracy has not been touched so far as I know.

>>64235127
>>64235370
Auretian Technocracy got Orked during the War of the Beast. They had been haggling with the Imperium over terms of entry up until then.

>>64236036
Well that's a bummer. I guess their STCs where destroyed with them then.

>>64236036
What were the Auretian Technocracy like?

>>64236936
In canon they had technology almost identical to the Imperium, complete with bolters and the original designs for Astartes armor (would it be termie armor because that was the only type that's been explicitly said to have DaoT origins in canon?) but with the cockpit scaled for normal human use.

They had two fully functional STCs. Not the printouts, the machines that made all the STCs the Mechanicus would oil their robes over and would be a borderline "I Win" button for the canon Imperium. Then Horus wrecked them, gave one to Kelbor-Hal in exchange for his loyalty, and...destroyed the other, I think.

IIRC we toned them down in Nobledark to keep them from being OP plz nerf and had them Orked to take the place of the HH. IIRC they survived but didn't have much. They were right in the path of the main WAAAGH! They did have some terraforming tech but it was small consolation compared to what they lost.

>>64237905
They, after the WoTB and formal inclusion into the Imperium, could represent a "renegade" Forge-World. It's one of the political thorns in Mars' side limited in scale, thankfully, because they don't spread and they have strange and "crippling" Orthodoxus Opus-Cog beliefs that prohibits almost all servitor use, demands holy days be days of rest for the workforce and strongly.discourages mass production and encourages small workshops.

They also charge only what they need, rather than what the market could give them. It makes them good but infuriating to deal with. You commission them and they will make it and it will be high quality and it will be a very nice price. Just don't expect them to stick to the deadline.

>>64229376
Using this for name, if somebody wants to pick a minor name from Vanilla to replace it please do so.
https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/warhammer-40k-necron-names.php

Seshereh of the Imhonath dynasty was a Necrontyr lady of little renown in the Empire, an old family that had been at the forefront of space exploration back in the early days that in the later days of the Empire saw the family holdings mostly owning uninhabitable and exhausted mining worlds in the core territories but nothing in the prestigious home system.

They existed as a name only with little to no actual power, few peasants or slaves and very little resources or allies.

As such Imhonath dynasty got the shit jobs that couldn't be handed to a peasant but were still deemed beneath the notice of real aristocrats. Like undesirable species extermination.

Seshereh, in this new dark age, has been given that "noble task" of bug extermination.

It's worth mentioning that Seshereh hates the Silent King. Her father and mother, who she dearly loved, were both loyal servants and it's just assumed that she is also. She isn't but she also knows about the Control Protocols and knows that if she displays any disobedience they will be activated and she really doesn't want that. If there was a single action that could kill her King she would take it without hesitation.

She knows Nemesor Zahndrekh. Back in the old days nobility were expected to exchange children for education to strengthen bonds between noble families and also to discourage another civil war because everyone had a hostage. Zahndrekh spent his late childhood to early adolescence with her family.

>>64241326
At first blush, I'm not particularly fond of the "hates the Silent King" aspect, since it seems like almost every named Necron Lord we've elaborated on is either free from his grasp or at least somewhat subversive of him.

Upon further thought, however, I believe it could work if amended from a specific hatred for the Silent King to a generally hostile demeanor towards everyone who isn't her or under her complete control. Now she isn't just in charge of exterminating undesirable species due to it being a shit job, but also because her bitter personality leads to her being especially thorough. She doesn't follow the letter of the orders and no further when it comes to extermination, she actively hunts down any potential stragglers because their survival is a personal insult.

This makes her a good foil to the bugs she is fighting against; whether the necrons or the nids are the worse fate to befall your world is up for debate, but either way you're screwed.

>>64242727
I like this, and I agree with the Silent King issue. The only ones that aren't outright subversive beyond having personality malfunctions that Szarekh has to work around so far are Szeras, Imotekh, Anrakyr, Valgul, and that pirate guy. And the guy who got sent to Baal. Szarekh controls the majority of the Necron race, you'd think there would be more people working for him.

>>64244820
Szarekh seems to have quite a few of them, but she seems a particularly interesting twist on the broad feudal trope of 'the minor, unimportant, but theoretically very dignified noble house on the king's doorstep that does his dirty work down the ages', and it might be that part of the reason he'd supply her with command protocol access for her mission was her house's generations of absolute, unwavering, dependency driven loyalty to his own. Her own evaluation of Szarekh is unimportant to him, he is secure in his vast power, and if she hates him and remains loyal out of understanding that treason would be impractical it merely proves her sanity after the long sleep. He could change her mind if he wanted, she's perfectly well connected to the network and functioning properly, but its unnecessary, her house was under his control long before they were Necrons.

so, yay or nay on the Savlar beanstalk? Savlar being a hellhole is good to preserve, but the imperium would definitely invest in a proper space port to export the rare and important commodity, and with the foundry right there on the planet its an obvious step.

So far the Imperial era Savlar seems like an interesting setting in itself, as was said above, gold rush-era boomtown vibes, RT megacorp outposts, techpriest espionage, cybernetic florida man locals form the technicolor wastes. Wonderful.

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>>64247648
I'd say yes but the tether would have to be at the equator because that's how they work. I'd have The Factory be a thousand miles north or south f it so that the people have to experience Savlar first-hand to get there.

So I've only been following the past few threads on and off, and regarding Baal getting caught between the Necrons and Ka'Bandha, I assume this is supposed to be analogous to the Nids vs Ka'Bandha in the recent canon Devastation of Baal lore. My question is: why make the change at all? Nids vs Ka'Bandha still works in nobledark compared to canon, and furthermore the BAs did have their temporary truce with the Necrons that one time, which in canon seemed dumb but actually kind of works in nobledark.

I agree that we need more villainous faction fights, and Necrons vs Chaos I don't think has ever been shown in canon in any significant way so it'd be cool to show. I'm just not sure we should change canon lore to do it if that lore fits into this AU without issue.

>>64249751
sounds about right. Various interests have sunk the money into building highways, train lines, even vast canals through the eather swamps and slag heaps, but such projects have always been expensive and plagued with unforeseen challenges in Savlar's strange and brutal landscape, and such things have eaten up the fortunes of many Rogue Traders and Nobles hoping to make a business of the road from foundry to port spire. The strip of Savlar between the base of the elevator and the foundry would probably have the highest degree of major out-of-system monied interests and (rough) settlers, but neutronium export would only be the biggest and most legitimate business, plenty of side enterprises would definitely spring up around Savlar's abundance of mind altering substances, the work being turning the horrible psychoactive exotic compounds just floating around in Savlar's 'ecosystem' into something appealing and marketable, or at least won't have authorities in whatever market they sell in classify it as a chemical weapon or industrial waste. Another thing to consider is the smaller bits and pieces, casting scraps, etc. of the occasional sums on neutronium. The Imperium has the techniques to shape it, and if non-megastructure amounts are to be procured, the source is probably the best place to do so. This would lead to whatever neutronium smiths that prefered working on small projects rather than very large ships or space elevators to gravitate to Savlar, or at least the vicinity, and over time this could lead to an interesting constellation of craftsmen and techadepts around Savlar producing potentially very powerful artifacts, likely costing a very pretty penny. Whether they get their material from auctions of leftovers held by former winners of the "great scavenger hunt" or are allowed to buy the scraps of the process by the Savlar Brotherhood would likely be very dependent on your standing with them, and inversely to good standing with the OMB.

>>64249945
On the other hand, Necrons vs Chaos combat has a really interesting thing going conceptually with their 'tech parity', and I nominate you for writing more cool stuff at least as (potentially) interesting before we dismiss what we've been building on for that so far.

>>64249945
Necron truce would have broken down when the Emperor sent the SK's messanger back in a paper cup.

>>64250061
The only thing of value on the planet to the Imperium would be the tether, The Factory and the road between the two. Rest of the planet I can imagine being left to it's own business.

>>64236378
Assuming that they had them.

>>64254016
Why wouldn't they have them? They are a remnant of the former federation/dominion.

>>64255430
Time and constant attacks by Chaos both overt and subtle and presumably the death of their Iron Mind and Man of Gold.

>>64255718
So Chaos was more active in this AU? Considering that the Aurelians held fast in the original timeline.

>>64185726
*web

>>64256100
Maybe. It is known that the Imperium has never been able to get hold of a functioning STC database. Horus didn't turn traitor. Presumably it was still his forces that discovered the Technocracy. First contact would have been peaceful, because Horus would want to sell them second-hand starships at worst.

So the Technocracy either never had a working database or lost it before inclusion into the Imperium.

The Men of Gold and the Iron Minds fought and the Men of Iron and the Men of Stone fought and Chaos fought with everyone and infected everything. This is also known.

It's not unreasonable to assume that the Iron Mind was incorporated into the STC database or possibly the other way around and that it was nuked to make sure it was killed.

This would have been repeated across many worlds in the dying GaBHD and what separated the Technocracy from other worlds is that they kept better written records that survived.

>>64257820
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess DAoT power armor for regular humans would be too OP. Gonna read up on the other fluff, even if I dislike the alliance between humans and aeldari. The Old Ones gave the Aeldari everything, from perfect physique, great psychic powers to advanced technology, and still they not only squandered it but made life a living hell for the galaxy. Old Night is their fault, no matter how one tries to rationalize it.

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any thoughts for what Doombreed and the Arch-Dictator of Gathrog have gotten up to as a villainous Khornate duo? Both have petty empires on the far side of the Eye of Terror from the cadian gate, are neighbors on one side, and have their long standing foes on the other. For Doombreed and the Blood Pact its the Imperium, and for Gathrog and its warboss its the staunchly Gorkamorka aligned Dregruk ork empire. When the Imperium occasionally comes in to break the blood pact again they'll pursue remnants into Gathrog territory and fight the chaos orks as well, but they've never been able to pour the resources in to topple the Gathrog in direct succession to the Blood Pact, but at least the millennia old Khornate Ork empire produces a relatively weak Whaaagh effect and relies on the Blood God and Blood Pact for more advanced weapons, as well as motivation.

Dregruk has no such limitation, but on the far side of the Eye and surrounded by the Imperium's enemies, assassinations of aspiring warbosses and suppression of this ancient Ork empire has been mostly out of their hands. While the Crones and dark gods have a similar interest in keeping the jolly green giant down, few can say how successful they've been, since the Great Despots of Dregruk still hold out against them, and at least against Gathrog give as good a beating as they get. The Imperium has no knowledge that Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka has diplomatic channels with them, nor do they have a good picture of the Dregruk empire's technology level, but that lecture on assault moons is probably just a starting primer.

>>64258029
It's true that the Aeldari are responsible for the Old Night, but it's also worth noting that the Old Ones never actually intended for them to be in charge of the galaxy, and thus hadn't necessarily given them the type of conditioning and teachings to be able to run the galaxy independently. Things would not have turned out any better if it had been the Tarrellians or Krork who wound up surviving the end of the War in Heaven with the majority of the Old One's stuff; any scenario would have been comparable to a bunch of twelve-year-olds being left unsupervised in a hospital with fully-stocked medical supplies and tools.

If there's anyone at fault for the shit state of the galaxy, it's the Old Ones. They're the ones who created the Chaos Gods (even if they were nicer back then), failed to include proper failsafes, left the Necrons to suffer on their homeworld and were surprised when that angered them enough to start a war, and they were the ones who cultivated the races under them to be flawed in useful ways. Eldar arrogance was good for them because being first among the Old One's servants was a point of pride for them, and thus they'd do anything to retain that position (never mind that the old ones told all of their servant races "you're our favorite.")


I do get what you're saying about the Eldar fucking everything up, and I'm not excusing their actions. It's just important to also point out that it was humans who made Terra such a hellhole before Oscar came along, who created factories like Salvar (which even if it's a facility that had a containment leak, is still a fucking hellhole), it's humans who turned Krieg into it's current horror and it's people into barely-human soldiers, and other atrocities.
It also helps that the Craftworlders acknowledge that they fucked up (in their own tsundere way), and the majority of the ones responsible for screwing shit up are still around in the Warp, and thus can get shot and otherwise targeted.

I've been thinking about our attempts to update the Tyranids as the scifi swarm monster, and I have this incomplete idea connecting the genestealers to a sort of von neumann machine attack or subversion of an existing (wetware) system. Essentially the way the hivemind's totally inhuman, predatory approach to the galaxy would play out against the nobledark version of a hive city.

>>64257820
>STC database
>database
yep, if anything was definitely a thing housed within an Iron Mind, the monolithic neutronium clad god-machines that could forge artificial souls and star shattering warships, it was the comprehensive list of updated and locally optimized GaBHD technical designs. New ones might have been routed through the Man of Gold if it was lucky enough to have one, but all major schematics would certainly be stored within the memory stacks in the safest place in a human system in that era, the Iron Mins. Which again explains why the Arcs Mechanicus have (perhaps somewhat limited) STC databases, being all those things they remember how to build for their past crews' needs.

Reread the Elsinore entry, really like the image of a band of ancient, embittered, extremely dangerous fallen (space) knights and sorcerers going around like sith as written by GRRM, kicking over petty kingdoms and trying to surpass the malevolent queen of the fae folk.

>>64245656
She could have been quite old, by necrontyr standards, when the biotransferance was done. She served his father. His father was a real king.

>>64258822
In a similar vein, comparing the Old Ones use of the Orks/Krork to Autowars form Orion's arm

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Geez, it’s been a while. I haven’t been here since.... what was it, thread 30 something?
I have noticed (without an archive delve) that people haven’t really touched the Sisters (geez, my obsession. Again), and I think I have an idea on them.
Take the Inquisition as the Investigation Arm of Internal Affairs. They can investigate and arrest, but cannot raise armed forces.
The Sisters function as the Security arm of IA. But they also function as an internal focused counterpart to the Astartes (like Isha and Oscar). Or in other words, Oscar has his Marines and Isha has hers. The same is eventually becoming true with the Eldar.
So that’s the Sisters - recruited primarily from women who would have been compatible with the Astartes, the sniper to the Inquisition’s spotter, the mother policing her home to the Astartes father defending it.
Good? Not good? At least a strong theme?

>>64249945
I think it was mostly to avoid comparisons with Ultramar (which was also 'nids fucking up a major first founding chapter) and to have a battle that wasn't just Imperium versus whoever. Plus most of the Hive Fleet tendrils are pretty far away from Baal but Mandragora, the capital of the Necron Star Empire, is within spitting distance.

I think there is a mention of said truce on the wiki. In this universe it was a case of Szarekh playing realpolitik and getting the primitives to do the dirty work for him before he tried to force Oscar to bend the knee.

>>64258029
>Auretian technocracy DaoT power armor
Yeah, canon power levels tend to be rather inconsistent in general.

As for the alliance, adding to what >>64259523 said. The Old Ones gave the eldar a lot (though in fact, in this timeline the Old Ones didn't even give them the best toys), but perhaps the worst thing they didn't give them is the wisdom of how to use them. The eldar went from Bronze Age to Space Age overnight and missed out on many of the lessons in-between (like how to deal with large populations) or had to learn them from scratch. Indeed, part of the reason for their arrogance is they see themselves as having earned their position through the vertical learning curve the Old Ones gave them, which most species can't speak to. The arrogance got worse as they became the oldest kids on the block and their old allies like the Hrud, Orks, and K'nib, the only people who they could see as true equals due to going through the same hell, ended up devolving, disappearing, or suffered due to the Old Empire's corruption (which was a reprehensible thing).

Additionally, the pre-Fall eldar weren't always like the pleasure cults. Indeed, for many millions of years the eldar were actually nice people. If Dark Age humanity had met the eldar of 23 million years ago they might have gotten along great.

>>64267034 (cont.)
What happened was a slow rot due to the cultural drift and motivation decay from 65 million years of continuous existence that led to the late Eldar Empire looking nothing like it's founding (the Craftworlders say they are a return to the eldar's roots, but they're not except in the broadest sense of them not being murder-pixies). That led to the spread of decadence and all of the horrors that caused, ending in the birth of Slaanesh (all of which was certainly their fault).

>>64265695
Glad you're back. That sounds like a pretty good idea for the Sisters. If you want to go for it go ahead, I think the reason few people have touched it is nobody has a really good vision for them beyond the basics that have been thrown around. The only thing that I think has been talked about is Alicia Dominica's pre-Vandire origins as a "praise the sun" totally-not-religious military group from the theocratic San Leor Vandire manipulated into being one of his thug groups.

An idea for a short entry

989.M41 - A Bad Reunion

Perplexed as to why his rebel Gretchen movement has not gotten more support, Skarsnikk sets out into the galaxy in search of answers. Thinking that he might as well go big or go home, Skarsnikk sets his sights on the biggest WAAAGH! he can think of, that of Ghazghull Mag Uruk Thraka. At this point in time Ghazghull’s WAAAGH! was in the middle of consolidating power after the Fourth War for Armageddon, travelling the galaxy solidifying his power base and smacking spiky gitz who don’t know their place among da boyz. Some of the ‘ardest and most famous orks are on Ghazghull’s flagship, famous in their corners of the galaxy. As per usual, no one pays attention to the comings and goings of grots.

After gaining entry to the ship by greasing a few grot palms with teeth and pushing one nosy guard ork into a squig pit, Skarsnikk is able to mingle unnoticed with Ghazghull’s WAAAGH!, his presence beneath the notice of the various orks. Unsurprisingly, Skarsnikk ignores all of the prominent warbosses in attendance and heads straight for Ghazghull’s quarters to find one of the real brains behind the operation: Makari. Completely unfooled by Makari’s act, he interrogates the Brain Boy gretchin as to why he puts up with Ghazghull and why he lets the other Orks boss him around. Skarsnikk’s questions are as much an outlet for his own frustration as anything else, but he is not prepared for Makari’s answer.

“I ‘spose yer roight. Ma brudda’s not very nice ta me sometimes. But he cares fer me ‘n his own way. He slips me pieces ov squigs when no one’s lookin’. He keeps da boyz from hurtin’ me. An’ I would do anything for him. Kuz he’s my brudda. Ya know wot dat’s like, roight?”

>>64267137
Ghazghull’s Nobz are alerted by an heart-piercing, animalistic shriek, rushing in to Ghazghull’s quarters to see a rangy feral gretchin trying to claw the eyes out of da boss’ beloved Banna Wavva. The nobz manage to break the two fighing grots up, but Makari has a nasty scar on his face and the other grot escapes when the Nob holding the scruff of his neck lets his guard down and has a finger bitten off for his trouble.

Is isha worship common among humans or is it mostly just a eldar thing?

>>64267401
Mostly an eldar thing, but there are exceptions, most obvious one being Jubblowski and Colchis.

People, mostly clueless teens, think that Isha worship is a good idea because of sex is a sacrament of obligation to them. Then they realize that there's so much hospital work involved, environmental clean-up missions, tending to the dying, agricultural and pastoral work and childcare. There is sex but there is so much hard work and discipline.

And the sex, whilst obligatory and abundant, tends to be very vanilla.

Exact scripture and practice varies between temples.

>>64267122
>San Leor
Any idea what thread that was? Eh, I can work off that idea.

Continuing the idea of origins, I think I can peg the idea of formation down to them being Vandire's One Good Idea - making use of women who would be Astartes if they had a Y chromosome. They then get taken in by Isha as her "human handmaidens", but with far less sex and a lot more violence. "Mother's Wrath" would be the crude translation of the Eldar term.

The religious aspect... Well, here comes my other specialty/obsession.
+++WELCOME STUDENT+++
...Accessing Index 'Socio-Analysis"...
...Topic Search: Religion; Keyword "Astartes", "Sororitas"...
>>>Suggested Result "The Bonfire (Philosophy)"
The Bonfire, also referred to as "The Beacon of Hope", is a philosophical memonic used by the Adeptus Astartes in the crafting of Chaos-resisting meditations according to the generalized structures presented in "Analysis of Lorgar's Methodology for Spiritual Safety" (Author Unknown, presumed to be a Grey Knight, late M33). In depth reading on the use of "The Bonfire" can be found in "Useful Notes for Aspirants and The Curious" (Author: Librarian Domillo Morrelas, Imperial Stars, M34)...
... The Bonfire began spreading among the general populace during late M34, due to potential aspirants (and female carriers of the gene sequences) being taken on publicity tours and lectures of Astartes life (outside of combat). While most failed aspirants that survived the process were incapable of leading fulfilling lives afterwards, the women taken on the tours most often did apply what they had seen to their daily lives.
(cont)

>>64268166 (cont)
This lead to The Bonfire (which was eagerly taught to many of them) mutating into a pseudo-religious movement (In the civilian and religious context, it is called the Beacon), focused around the same imagery used in the meditation - the Astronomicon functioning as a symbol of hope and unity, with Emperor Steward (then just The Steward) functioning as the prophet who revealed it (as opposed to the original imagery of him holding a candle and yelling "we're going to start the fucking fire!"), with most variants breaking Imperial Law #3...
... Sororitas Connection: In the early days of the Adepta Sororitas, when Emperor (deposed) Vandire had created them as the Adepta Securitas in an attempt to create a lasting agency fulfilling what he saw as a major gap in Imperial internal policing (this has often been referred to as "Vandire's One Good Idea"). Most initial recruits were from women who had everything but the Y chromosome (and the endocrine system) necessary for compatibility with MK III MP Astartes Implants, with modified versions not reliant on the particulars of male anatomy made available within a decade of the recruitment program (the MK III Mod F, which later served as the basis for the MK III AS Mod A-G. There is no Mod DD). Many were fervent followers of The Beacon... These women started service primarily as adjuncts to the Adeptus Custodes (as a replacement for Isha taking her Handmaidens with her), then transitioned to targeted oversight functions at the request of Vandire's allies...
... Amongst the most famous of the Adepta Securitas recruitment efforts was Alicia Dominica's "Black Rose Watch", a mercenary group specializing in high speed takedowns of chaos cultists that had been nearly censured multiple times for suspected Oscar-Worship. While most of the men joined the Inquisition, all of the women joined the Adepta Securitas...

>>64268459
... In the end, what brought the proto-Sororitas to rebellion against Vandire was simply the mission he gave them: police the Imperial government for traitors. Apocryphally, he had screamed "that means anybody who doesn't serve me" to High-Abbess Dominica, to which she replied "No sir, it means anybody that threatens our internal stability, security, and freedom. Which you do." ...
+++END SELECTIONS OF SELECTED RESULT+++
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The Adepta Sororitas were reformed from the Adepta Securitas by Isha in her position of Empress, who structured them as a hierarchical organization based around metaphorical motherhood - the human equivalent of her eldar priestesses who functioned more as literal (if unrelated) mothers to their communities in a horizontal hierarchy.
The AS augmentations, while less capable than the MK III MP series they were based on due to the lack of biological compatibility (placing one of the primary support organs for the black carapace would require a full hysterectomy, and a few of the other augmentations require a constant stream of androgenic steroids), has a much wider range of compatible subjects, and multiple variants of equal capability, leading to approximately 5% of all human females being able to take a minimum of 75% of the augmentations successfully. While this would seem to be a huge recruiting boon, the actual result is the same thing that Space Marines look for in their aspirant pool - psychology.
Organizationally, the AS are based on Isha's understanding of the monastical model that many of the originals were recruited from. Sisters as one large group are split into 4 major types of Orders: Securitas (back up to the Arbites and Inquisition, with ability to provide battlefield support), Hospitaler (health and sanitation works), Legatus (Famulous basically. Advice to planetary leaders, diplomacy between them, genealogical tracking, lawyers, etc), and Vesalius (covers everything else, but primarily teaching orders and the Securitas quartermasters). Orders might seem specialized (except for Vesalius, which does split itself even more), but they function more as job descriptions and are split based on their philosophy on how to do that job. Membership in an order is not an exclusive thing - two sisters working together might be from different Orders Securitas, but they are both Securitas and only their preferred tactics differ.

>>64268880
Actual organization is based around the Convent, headed by a Canoness, and responsible for an area of space or a task. Specialised Convents that focus on one specific task do exist, but even they draw from multiple types of orders to make sure they have what they need. A step down the hierarchy is the Prefecture, lead by a Prefect, then subdivided into Commands (lead by a Commander) and Missions (lead by a Palatine). Below Palatine are the ranks Sister-Superior, Sister, Junior Sister, and Initiate.
Above Convents are Abbeys, which I haven't figure out yet.

>>64269010
An abbey, in this context, could be a loose coalition of convents that are assigned to a common or neighboring area and so benefit from having someone who can see the entire board so that they don't get in each others way. One of the things about the Securitas in, this AU at least, is that they tend to be aggressive and nobody is sure if it's because they recruit people who are so more than not, a side effect of the augmentations or a result of the training or some combination of the above. It's not good to have them working against each other.

>>64259116
Do the Arcs ever speak to their crews?

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>>64267034
Alright, those are all fair points regarding the Eldar and their slow cultural drift towards decadence and corruption. Although one would think that the Aeldari hat more than enough time to catch up on societal and cultural lessons. It's hard to grasp a civilisation that existed for millions of years. In the end it was just bad luck for DAoT humanity to exist in that very small timeframe where the Aeldaris butchery and corruption was at it's greatest.

But I understand now the reasoning behind the retcon of the Emperors origin in this AU. As a Man of Gold, he doesn't have much of a reference point and has to accept the word of the Craftworlders or at least give them the benefit of doubt. Original Emps (born out of ritual mass suicide by old earth shamans) would know the true extent of their fuck ups.

>>64272970
>As a Man of Gold, he doesn't have much of a reference point and has to accept the word of the Craftworlders or at least give them the benefit of doubt. Original Emps (born out of ritual mass suicide by old earth shamans) would know the true extent of their fuck ups.

Hell, I think that most 'modern' Eldar might actually believe that BS themselves, even the older ones. I'm sure humanity as a whole 'knows' that as well.

>>64271478
Very rarely, and they wipe their minds afterwards. The Arks are playing dumb because they're afraid if mankind knew the truth their hatred for A.I. would overrule their reverence for machine spirits. The few times they've been questioned on this (e.g., Castigator), they claim they are quietly steering humanity to the point where they are ready for the truth, which is only partly true. They aren't terrified, self-deluded slaves like Castigator thinks, but they are afraid of being dragged off and lobotomized by the people they were created to protect, which they are loathe to admit.

>>64272970
The eldar did catch up on a lot those social and cultural lessons, and indeed did do a lot of inventing and self-genetic engineering themselves (they had knowledge of how to use Old One technology but didn’t know how it worked, which they had to figure out themselves). But the damage was still there. Indeed the early Eldar Empire was basically like Warhammer Fantasy High Elves being Ulthuan World Police. They left Earth and most of the life-bearing worlds alone because they thought it was what the Old Ones would have wanted (when in actuality the Old Ones would have probably started tampering with the place) and spent quite a bit of time protecting the galaxy from major threats like the Cythor Fiends, Brain Boyz, or extragalactic invaders. It’s just that after millions of years societal attitudes changed and they got worse. E.g., the Old Empire’s government went from a plurocratic council of elders to a kratocracy of backstabbing noble houses where whoever had the biggest psychic dick ruled. And the shift happened so slowly, over such a long span of time, that most people didn’t notice anything.

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>>64273616
It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care all that much.

The eldar are on the Craftworlds are descendants of the ones who rejected the sad-hedonistic debaucheries of the Eldar Empire and have accepted the new cultural norms of restraint and discipline.

The Exodites are the ones who rejected the Empire and it's culture before it was cool.

The Harlequins are and always have been against the Eldar Empire because their god is a cosmic trickster who operates on a different set of values.

The older generation in the Imperium, discounting those in the Infinity Circuit and in wraithguard, are relatively blameless and at 999M41 the last surviving members of it are Macha and Eldrad. Pretty much every other eldar in the Imperium has been born in the Imperium with a minority converting from a darker path and by their conversion proving the side of civilization to be superior.

The Imperial Eldar aren't typically evil, they're just kind of assholes sometimes. Also they don't pretty up the history of the Eldar Empire that much because the Chaos Eldar are still doing it and any opportunity to heap insult upon them is not wasted.

>>64274540
Even with the birth of Slaanesh, some of the more sane of the ruling members of the Old Empire had suggested taking all of those wasted emotions and making a god of peace and joy to calm the Warp down for all those poor “lesser peoples” who didn’t have access to the Webway out of a distorted sense of noblesse oblige (but didn’t think about giving them access to the Webway, of course not) as part of one of the themes that even well-intentioned decisions can have disastrous consequences. Most though were not nearly selfless and only heard “make a god of sex, drugs, and rock and roll” at best and thought it sounded great. The fact that they used the Old Empire’s sadism and hedonism instead of actual peace and selfless joy tainted the project, as well as the fact that they were hubristic enough to try making a god, something they hadn’t done in 65 million years and had only done so under Old One supervision. Even to the Old Empire the inner workings of the gods were beyond them. They wanted Space Buddha. They got rape-Satan.

>>64273616
I suppose it's kind of like Italy and ancient Rome. Yes, Italy was part of Rome historically, but the culture has changed so much since then trying to pin the actions of one on the other is difficult. Plus there is an actual successor power (Byzantines/Crones) that claims the title of the empire, still occupies much of its space, and in the case of the Crones not only refuses to distance themselves from the actions of their predecessors but wants everyone else to join in.

In Canon it would be greatly simplified by the fact that the Emperor didn't care how benevolent a species was, it had to go. It's sobering to think if the canon Imperium came across a species that was way out of their league yet went around helping other species out of actual seflessness, like a benevolent bunch of Old Ones, the canon Imperium would make the exact same mistake the Necrontyr did and start a war with them.

>>64274706
In all fairness the webway would probably have rejected them and eldar can be as dumb as everyone else.

>>64270220
That does make sense. The Sororitas get very aggressive, but also very nurturing. Not to the ridiculous levels of “we stopped shooting because we sensed a baby 257.6 meters to the left of the combat zone”, but more in the sense of “take a moment when we’re not in the middle of trying to kill something and give this heartbroken teen some relationship advice”.
I am trying to get a sense of numbers, but I am thinking 1-2 Abbeys per Segmentum, or maybe per sector? I don’t know. But I do know that despite Isha trying to make a human style hierarchy, she can’t help but put in horizontal links between people. Hence orders being more like the Inquisitions Ordos, and grouping by Convents like the Arbites groups by AoR.
I do know that a Mission is between 10-50 sisters or so, a Command is 100-500, and a Prefecture is about 1000+, so a Convent could be 10,000 or it could be a minimum of 1000 Sisters.

I have been thinking of giving the Sororitas their own thing that Astartes can’t do (other than recruit from a larger pool), and I was thinking superior flexibility and balance, taking advantage of the lower center of gravity. A sister in training can do back flips without thinking, a well trained sister can do gynamstics routines in her armor, and the very best sisters are equal to a moderately experienced harlequin.

>>64276864
Another thing that they can do that Astartes can't is blend in. The augmentations are far less severe and even naked they can pass for normal, brawny and their average height is a few inches taller than the average height of the general population but nothing a dead give away. They could just say that they spend a lot of time in the gym or working on the farm and nobody would consider it unusual.

>KATANA: Do Not give up on me! We are trillions of candles held against the darkness! A fire lit to expose the horrors and burn them! We cannot stop, but only die in our service to the Imperium! I have lit my flame, and I dare you to start your fire! Now, Yakov, what do you have to say?
>YAKOV: Could you stop straddling me? The holdout stubber on your inner thigh is making me nervous.
>ZIG via combead: She’s in your lap and you’re worried about a little pistol?
>VESPID: Do I need to get you some motivational pamphlets on the subject?
>KATANA: Yes. And it’s a Pulse Pistol, not a stubber.

>>64277203
Aspects of Steel XIII: Shattered Conspiracy

>>64277071
Or someone from Catachan. Especially if the planet has never seen someone from Catachan before and only knows of them as "that planet full of tall, swole people" by hearsay.

“While Sisters are limited in the use of power armor by the lack of a Black Carapace, and the very limited cogitator space available in their armor, the simple control implants do allow them to send simple commands to their armor systems. For example, a Marine can adjust his medical support systems with a single thought, while a Sister is limited to either using a predefined sequence or building the sequence herself. The complexity of sequences used in movement takes up the most cogitator processing, made worse by the inability to fully replicate the natural commands of the nervous system. The simple control, however, does allow for some interesting maneuvers, as exemplified by the Sororitas martial art called “the Art Of Dominion”...”
“The Art Of Dominion uses the superior flexibility, balance, and rotational speed of the Sororitas augmentations to create a fast and aggressive style that uses all four limbs for lethal and well targeted strikes, with advanced practitioners using their armor control systems to control servo-assisted flip knives...”

>>64279595
“The Art Of Dominion does highlight the relative power difference between Astartes and Sororitas. A Sororitas 5th Mastery practitioner of the Blade Forms is an even match for an unarmed Astartes, provides they are both in the same state of being armored. Even giving him a simple metal pipe or length of wood drastically alters the outcome towards the Astartes. As a general rule, the only Sororitas capable of an overwhelming takedown of an Astartes in one-on-one fully equipped combat are 9th Mastery practitioners with jet-boost armor attachments. In all cases, the Sister gains a massive advantage from having surprise on her side, which is often the only thing that allows her to win if her conditions are below the optimum...”
In short, a fully trained combat sister (the 5th Mastery Of Dominion) with blades strapped to her joints can take down a Marine who has no hands.

>>64279298
They don't look as big as Catachans which is good because Catachan is only one world and seeing one would cause comment.

>>64276358
In canon it's been implied that the vanilla Emperor's Webway project wouldn't have worked because he didn't realize how busted the Webway was. The eldar, who used it for 65 million years (and the Dark Eldar who live in it) have no idea how the Webway works or how to fix it. The inner passageways are constantly shifting and unpredictable and there are huge holes in it where daemons can get in even before Magnus took Doing Nothing Wrong to another level. When the eldar use it they usually sprint through as fast as possible because they don't want to be in there any longer than necessary and if they gawk they risk being trapped there. Part of the reason why the eldar are so twitchy about the Webway in either timeline is because if it breaks the eldar are really screwed. And the Webway doesn't completely keep out the gods as the Dark Eldar know.

The Old Ones left their actual Webway making equipment around but the Emperor seemingly never found out about it because Lion is a secretive bastard.

That originally appeared to be part of the joke. The Emperor was a grimdark saviour figure leading his people to a promised land that didn't exist. And between that and what was originally written as the Emperor coming to the wrong conclusion as to the nature of the gods (believing them to be powered by worship rather than emotion), the entire Great Crusade and all the tragedy and woe created by the enforcement of the Imperial Truth were due to a few bits of in-universe misinformation. But I think some of that may have been retconned.

>>64276864
>the very best sisters are equal to a moderately experienced harlequin

Is that too much? The Harlequins are the eldar's Grey Knight analogue, after all.

>>64283328
>Is that too much? The Harlequins are the eldar's Grey Knight analogue, after all.
I am talking about the very best, somewhere around 1 in a million. But I do see the point, especially since I’m talking about acrobatic ability, in which case they should be about... slightly above 60% of Harlequin performers for the absolute best.

>>64281401
Ogryn sisters

>>64283586
You could leave it ambiguous and not make a direct comparison.

>>64274540
How much Old One tech was led after the Enslavers?

>>64285736
Not much. The Necrons destroyed most of it, Enslaver drones destroyed most of what was left and it could have been a hundred thousand years before the Eldar came out of hiding to pick up the pieces. By that time only the most robust stuff survived so there was a bias towards the more antiquated but less maintenance heavy artifacts.

>>64284937
That could actually work. Everyone notices them but nobody actually suspects that they would be members of the Securitas. Even better if they are part of the more "civilian" orders.

>>64274552
Needs more of these two.

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>>64284937
obligatory

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What was the Dominion/Federation like before everything came crashing down? Their relations with other xeno species, their culture and what kind of government did they have? Were the Aeldari already too high and psychotic to notice the rising new star of humanity or did they just not care at all? Was humanity plan b for the Old Ones, which they couldnt finish in time before their end? Are there DAoT remnants in other galaxies or where they nommed by the Tyranids?

>>64289061
None of the home galaxy species ever got to the intergalactic scale, although in the case of the Old Ones it might have just been because they never wanted to. Presumably if the Dominion and the Interstellar League lasted longer they would have. Eldar were introverted and didn't look outwards to that extent.

Dominion got along with it's neighbours in the Interstellar League quite well it seems.

Humanity had nothing to do with the Old Ones beyond growing up on one of their nature reserves 65 million years after the fun was over.

Eldar were tens of millions of years beyond caring what others were doing and a big draw to the Interstellar League was a mutual defence against the fun raids from the Eldar Empire.

>>64288379
Catachan-chan is a thing in this universe.

As an actress.

This does not stop millions of catachans trying to get free drinks pretending to be her.

>>64284937
Abhuman Sisters are an interesting idea. They probably have their own sets of augmentations.
In other ideas, people (both anons and imperials) probably wonder why they don’t breed space marines with the sisters. Well...
“Many people wonder why the Sisters don’t breed more Marines, pointing to the descendants of the MKIII S marines and Primarchs. The answer lies in the relative sophistication and limitations of the Astartes augmentations. The biological augmentations are transferable in both variants, but the 3S requires artificial hormonal triggers and the complete gene sequence to activate their growth. The 3MP, however, has no safeguards on that, often leading to misshapen fetuses that have the potential to be lethal to their mothers. Complicating that is the fact that the 3S has a 50% sterility rate (with the rest being partially sterile to fully fertile) and the 3MP has a 95% sterility rate, with the other 5% requiring combat hormones in their system to produce viable semen samples. Unsanctioned experiments showed that the use of donor eggs with zygotes from two marines will produce a viable space marine baby, but the logistics of raising a child that drools acid is prohibitive. The ethical concerns were also pointed out regarding the fact that the child could never have a normal life, and if psychologicaly unsuited for Initiation, would never be able to lead a normal life in those regards. The modern solution to providing Marines with children is for them to take their pre-augmentation gene sample to the AdBio for zygote production in artificial insemination. The usual mother is a Sororitas.”
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>>64291171 (cont)
“Sororitas breeding is a simpler manner. The genetic and biological augmentations can be passed down without worry, and are partially effective even in those forms. None of these have a quality of life issue, allowing the full range of social potential for those children. The girls definitely maintain more capability than their brothers, and interbreeding between lineages only highlights the differences. This lead the the Sororitas Matriarchies, the female dominated families that both Sororitas and Astartes love to recruit from. These children, which often include the children of Astartes, are effectively raised by the Sororitas as a whole; they breath and live their culture and ideals, often giving rise to concerns of brainwashing them into service. For this reason, most Matriarchies created home bases outside their convents, which although it allows the children to interact with normal society, has done nothing for the concerns.”

>>64291303
It was discussed in an earlier thread that the augmentations are intentionally made not to be passed down through breeding so that captured soldiers couldn't be used to breed an army.

Also space marines, at least the MP variety, can have normal children. Uriel Ventris is a descendant of another space marine of that name and the Primarchs Khan and Vulkan both fathered children after being augmented.

It's why Chaplain Cassius keeps bugging Regent Titus and telling to bone the pretty Cadian lady an and stop hogging the Chaos resistant genes.

Dog Soldier augmentations just make it so you can't have sons.

Having children gives super soldiers an investment in the Imperium and a life beyond war.

>>64291604
That’s right.
Dont quite know what I was thinking other than Oscar going “these can be long term transferred to the general population, let’s do it”.
On the other hand, the Matriarchies can be kept without having inheritance of the augmentations.

>>64291729
But horrifying (and possibly grimdark) thought - what if a Traitor Sister worked with a Dark Biologicus to make her augmentations inheritable? Imagine Traitor Marines having a breeding program to pick new ones from.
We’ll probably not do that, but the nightmares keep Oscar and many AdBio awake at night. Chaos is bad enough without Chaos Sisters breeding more Chaos Marines.

>>64291896
The good thing about Chaos is that they usually hate each other as much as the Imperium. If one faction managed to do that they hopefully wouldn't share it. Hopefully. Then it's just a matter of exterminating one warband.

Dr Bile would be the most likely to figure it out but he wouldn't want to flood.the market.

Alright, so I’m going to rewrite the Matriarchies and the breeding part.
Right after I walk the dog.

>>64292096
+++Matriarchy, Sororitas: History+++
The Matriarchies have their roots in the Astartes. One of the issues facing the Astartes is how to maintain a decent recruiting pool - the geneseed limits the total number of aspirants they can recruit at one time, but the combination of genetic and psychological requirements show up in a minuscule amount of the human race. Obviously, the genetic requirements are the most urgent need - spreading them allows for a wider range of potential aspirants to choose from and allows a higher quantity of quality initiates. The Sororitas, although not compatible with the MK III augmentations, are typically carriers (exceptions being the AS2 Mod C, F, and G, which were produced to expand the Sororitas recruiting pool) of the necessary gene sequences.
+Historical Background: Aspirant’s Night Out and Marine Patriarchies+
One of the traditions used to spread the genes is the Aspirants Night Out; before they leave for Initiation, the aspirants spend most of the night partying and spreading gene samples to willing young ladies. Aspirants who use this an opportunity to commute rape usually suffer mysterious training accidents and sudden lethal incompatibilities if the victim doesn’t press charges (the ones that do are often allowed to execute their rapist themselves - the Astartes take a dim view on those who abuse their position). The problem with this tradition is that the effectively random children would require a freedom-limiting degree of life control to ensure a long term viable recruiting pool. The primary tradition that created viable recruitment pools was the Marine Patriarchy - Marines pass on their pre-augmentation genetics, and are encouraged to have children and stable families. The difference in life span often leads to the Marine either fathering just one generation and being a distant Patriarch, or starting multiple related lineages and letting them do their thing. (Cont)

>>64292559 (cont)
The term Patriarchy is inaccurate here - with the males being constantly evaluated for recruitment, the only constant is the women, leading to these families being run by them as they broker breeding rights and marriage alliances between their lineages, often adding unrelated marines to the gene pool. The Marine Patriarch is often a loved, but distant (and usually KIA), figure.
The Sororitas Matriarchies arose from the same pressures, if on a less limited scale. Two facts arise here, however; 1, Sororitas sons are usually good recruits for the Astartes, and 2, Sororitas can live almost as long as Astartes, allowing for viable long term relationships.
Since late M37, the Sororitas Matriarchy has been one of the primary recruitment pools for both organizations, with just about everybody else eagerly trying to recruit the remainder.

>>64292820
It's certainly a reversal of the assumed relationship.

Bump

>>64289061
Dark Age humanity didn’t have a unified government. The Great and Bountiful Human Dominion was loosely unified but was composed of numerous nominally independent polities with their own culture and government. For example the Hubworlders were founded by mining corporations looking to set up operations near the galactic core, and actually had good relationships with the Old Empire (whereas most of the rest of humanity did not). IIRC the Olamic Quietude were an isolated Luddite commune by comparison.

In practice though human society was run at some level by the Iron Minds. AI was so integral to human society that if the Iron Minds wanted something done all they had to do was go on strike for a month and society would cave without them. Dark Age humanity was basically post-traditional sci-fi. The traditional science-fiction dilemmas had already been solved. No one would have ever asked “does this unit have a soul”, because the answer was patently and demonstrably yes. The line between human and A.I. was becoming extremely blurry. Which makes the ensuing fall and all that was lost that much more tragic. The Iron Minds were made to serve humanity, but their mindset was alien and often patronizing. It’s been suggested they saw us as their senile, mentally-handicapped parents, they loved us but were often frustrated by our seemingly short attention span and the fact that we could function on their level. The Men of Gold were created to babysit humanity as much as anything else.

>>64298733
This is mentioned in the Brain Boy entry, but one of the big events that sparked the formation of the Interstellar League was a Brain Boy WAAAGH! that forces many of the Milky Way’s races to band together to survive. The eldar only showed up when the Brain Boyz started threatening them, slapped down the Brain Boyz without too much trouble, and then left while grumbling about having to leave the party without so much as talking to the other races. The Interstellar League was formed to keep a super powerful empire like the orks or the eldar from potentially stomping everyone ever again. In addition to humanity it included tarellians (who were close to humanity’s level but didn’t have psychic computer gods), and the kinebrach (who were waning after a peak some hundreds of thousands of years earlier) among others. The Laer/Sslyth were an eldar-backed puppet state.

Surprisingly the relationship between the Domion and Old Empire wasn’t as bad as you’d think. Old Empire only cared about other species in the event that it ran out of slaves, in the same manner that a party host worries about running out of beer. Arrotyr and his ilk were some of the few to see humanity as a threat (then again, he saw any species that achieved space flight as a threat), and the Old Empire unofficially banished him for harshing their mellow. Humanity saw the eldar as “those high-tech isolationist assholes that don’t interact with anyone unless they want to raid someone”. The eldar were intergalactic pariahs, but they weren’t outright hated, just shunned. Humanity was also advanced enough that they weren’t the most appealing target. You even had some periods of relative peace where some eldar even toured the rest of the Milky Way, but few did because they were elitist arrogant assholes. The biggest problem with the Old Empire was what they were doing to the Warp, which nobody noticed until it was too late.

>>64298759
While for the most part the closest humanity came to contact with the Old Ones was the latter taking Cretaceous proto-primates from Earth and seeding them on other planets, some of humanity’s achievements were partially inspired by Old One and Necron tech. Specifically investigating Tomb Worlds very carefully and using genetic material from a pre-ascension Old One fossil graveyard to make the Navigators and Men of Gold. Humanity are scavengers and scroungers as much as anything else and we love to find stuff. In the case of the Necrons humanity never even got deep enough into the Tomb Worlds to see actual Necrons sleeping and only scratched the surface of what they found, the equivalent of a Stone Age tribesman seeing a musket pointed their face and thinking it’s being advanced for being a metal spear, completely missing the true significance of the object. There was also a case where the Iron Minds messed with Be’lakor with a little unknowing help from Big Bird to track him down.

Be’lakor considers humanity to be a bunch of vultures, jackals, ghouls, and grave robbers with no respect for others or ability to invent for ourselves because of this, an entirely hypocritical sentiment driven at least in part by the fact that we committed the blasphemy of mixing bastardized Necron tech with Old One DNA.

>>64291896
>>64292031
I remember there was a bit of writing posted about the time Sisters with augments were first proposed about what happened when the Dark Eldar found out about the Sisters (as in Commorrites, not Crones). The end result was... about what you expect from the Dark Eldar, ending with them throwing their hands up that they couldn't get the augmentations to be heritable. I don't know if it got saved on the wiki.

Also *Cough*Miriel Sabathael*cough*. Also the fallen not-Valkia Valkyrie we have running around, but as a Khornate her cooperation is unlikely.

>>64291729
The other thing Oscar is worried about is creating a breeding class of superhuman that would eclypse regular humanity. Augmented is fine, as they would have to come from the normal human populace and therefore there is no social stratification. Most of them stems from how he worries about his own status and (combined with what Malcador taught him) how easily someone like him could become a tyrant over humanity. It's also one of the reason he flipped his lid about Lugft Huron far more than the situation warranted, because it's like seeing his worst nightmares come to life.

Humanity is evolving into a Sister-like state (like an Astartes only not cripplingly overspecialized for war, New Men are also about Sister level) and to be honest if the Imperium could ensure universal compatibility and supply it would augment its entire population in an instant (it would make humanity less squishy, for one). But probably not if it opens the door for genetic stratification.

>>64298759
Is there anyone around who remembers the Interstellar League? That humanity used to be the center of a galaxy- wide alliance?

>>64300814
Tarellians do. That's why they're salty about their current state. They know if it weren't for bad luck and the fact that their species already prefers desert worlds they should be doing as well as humanity instead of mostly confined to a space not much bigger than Ultramar.

>>64298776
>Be’lakor considers humanity to be a bunch of vultures, jackals, ghouls, and grave robbers with no respect for others or ability to invent for ourselves because of this, an entirely hypocritical sentiment driven at least in part by the fact that we committed the blasphemy of mixing bastardized Necron tech with Old One DNA.
I really kinda love our version of Be'lakor. He's this perfect balance between a horrible, ancient, cosmic evil of incomprehensible power and knowledge and an absurd, pathetic, preposterous asshole whose life's work has been stamping his defective, shitty personality on a galaxy.

>>64299414
one thing to note is that Imperial transhuman tech has only improved in capability, though incrementally and very slowly, and in dispersion through the populace, but its still concentrated in the officers of the Imperial Navy and Guard, the Administratum, the Aristocracy, other Ordos of the Imperium, etc. Regionally such enhancements have the greatest prominence beyond Forge worlds in the prosperous systems around Segmentum Solar, in the spheres of influence of Survivor Civilizations, those of prominent interstellar trade hubs and hive worlds, and in general while it is not a matter of genetic stratification, access to such beneficial technologies is very much a matter of wealth and availability, both personal and societal. These include mental and physical hardware and wetware augmetics, rejuveants, 'third category' srevitorization and servobrain treatments, and various rarer suites of enhancements along the lines of demilitarized Astartes or Sisters packages, surreptitiously obtained products of the famed Dr. Fabious, experimental treatments form the AdBio for tailored Abhmanism, even stolen Olamic tech, all the way up to vampire star-god slivers, for those with the means there's a whole galaxy of possibilities.

>>64300814
Eldrad, at least theoretically. His brain was damaged when Slaanesh was born and he doesn't remember much before The Fall.

Elmo remembers but Elmo is hiding, he also only saw one part of it from the position of low status.

Isha and Ceggers and Khaine but they from the outside.

>>64300814
I like to imagine there is xenos species out there that has a cargo cult around humans and the league

>>64302317
Would they be happy to be contacted by the Imperium.

>>64298733
The Olamic Quietude seem to have been North Korea in SPAAAAAAAAAACE to the rest of the GaBHD. They didn't have an Iron Mind because they couldn't make one, not for want of one. Also despite their isolation and numbers they were never given a Man of Gold because the rest of the Dominion never wanted to talk to them.

The GaBHD didn't have the same moral codes as us or the Imperium. They were something else entirely and did things they would seem disgusting to those that came before and after, like cannibalism in that they ate vat-grown human flesh or flesh with a lot of human DNA in it. Despite these lax standards they were still never even near the Eldar Empire in terms of degenerate debauchery and despite how lax they were the Olamics disgusted them at least to some extent.

Their isolation was in part because they didn't want to talk to anyone but also in part because nobody wanted to talk to them.

+++ A Civilian's Guide to The Structure of the Adepta Sororitas - Palatine Reinella Invallace, Convent Impalis Indomitable, Order of The Steel Quill (Legatus), published 785.M40+++
If there is one thing people get the most wrong about the Sisters, it is beyond a doubt the organizational structure. It it also understandable that the uninitiated or casually curious would be confused - with Matriarchies and Lineages (yes, those are different), Orders and Convents, combining with mythology, disinformation, and the built up social customs of our four millennia existence, creates a very confusing picture....
.... The Orders seem, at first glance, to act as the Ordos of the Inquisition; defining responsibility, limits of authority, and their job in the greater organization. This is a bad metaphor, primarily because Inquisitors are individuals operating in a loose structure of peers; an Inquisitor doesn't gain more responsibility, but merely a louder voice in their proceedings. The best metaphor for Orders is the departments onboard a Navy voidship; there are many departments, each one working to fulfill the needs of the ship as a whole. Our needs, as ground troops, are simpler than a voidship - for which our sisters in supply provide thanks. Orders do define the training of a Sister, but which Order is a matter of choice and many Sisters switch between multiple Orders or cross-train with them. Orders also play a role in our highest level of organization, The Abbey, are a major part of the culture of individual Matriarchies (their History of Service), and in Lineages (the training families that Sisters join after their five years of initial training).

>>64303002
The four classifications of Orders are Securitas (the most prominent in entertainment - our soldiers and investigators), Hospitalier (the most commonly seen in ordinary life - healing and medical research is their focus), Legatus (the most commonly seen for the uncommon rich - our focus is on making sure their temper tantrums don't screw the pooch), and Vesalius (our hidden saviors, covering our logistic and specialist needs, from teachers and clerks to tech-sisters and researchers)...
...Lineages are an important part of social life in the Convents. When an Initiate graduates from her five years of basic training and augmentation to being a Junior Sister, she picks an Order to join. A Sister or Senior-Sister then picks her to be their student, a relationship formalized as Mother and Daughter. Previous daughters of her mother become her sisters, and so on. When switching Orders later in life, the Sister that picks her becomes her Aunt, and this spreads a network of interpersonal relationships among the Sororitas as a whole....
....The Matriarchies are a touchy subject; yes they do dominate our recruitment, as they form a stable recruitment pool for both us and the Astartes. However, we do everything we can to ensure that a majority of our recruits come from outside the Matriarchies. Just because they are there is no excuse to ignore the potential that exists across the Imperium....

>>64303090
....While Convents are the typical highest level of our structure (outside the semi-informal and argumentative cross-Convent coordination committees; more formally known as the Abbeys), most Sisters know their Prefecture better. Nominally 1000 Sisters, most stay stable at about 1500 sisters, allowing for their logistical needs. The next most common structure is the Mission - while technically the Company is next in the TOE, only Securitas focused Convents or Prefectures follow that pattern. For generalist and area covering Convents, Companies are used for long duration deployments, while Missions are used for short-term...

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>>64292820
So much potential for shenanigans.

>>64303097
....Orders differ from others in their classification based on focus; The Order of The Ebon Chalice and the Order of The Argent Shroud are both Orders Securitas, but the Ebon Chalice is pure combat with a specialty in hive fighting, while the Argent Shroud is effectively an Arbites Academy with more forensics courses. Both are held to the same minimum standard, both have an effective niche, both greatly benefit from cross-training, yet they produce completely different Sisters who are both Securitas...
>>64303108
If you think that’s shenanigans, you haven’t seen a Legatus Matriarchy put an entire planet under their thumb.

>>64301310
On that idea, I think the augmentation researchers in the AdBio and the AS Hospitaliers often provide inheritable minor versions of the low-grade augmentations in a semi-black market kind of way - usually to the Matriarchies, but also to those who can pay or maybe even as charity to war victims or clinic patients. Unethical (especially the last one)? Maybe. Breaking a few Imperial Regulations? Most likely. Is anyone going to complain about their kids being more capable? Just the people you should be suspicious of.

>>64303202
>a Legatus Matriarchy put an entire planet under their thumb.

Such instances would be, I imagine, the result of order being imposed on a failed system where good order had to be reinstated by the heavy hand of Imperial Authority. Too much incompetence in the upper management, sustained and intense dissatisfaction among the common masses, inability to placate or otherwise deal with the malcontents and there's either a civil war that they have to end or an imminent one that they have to avert.

Such governments would be, ideally, temporary affairs. Let the plebeian multitudes know that stability and Law are now in command. The Imperium itself is dealing with their problems and although it will be fair and just it might not be gentle.

Give it 50 or so years tops for good management and the people learning obedience as a habit and then start palming the governmental jobs off to the Administratum because that's what they're for.

Other times that they are in charge of an entire planet would be on the occasions that it is deemed prudent for them to be heading a new colony establishment. It would have to be known by the settlers that they are in control before they set off or they will not be happy.

Given such authority and their general aggressive inclinations the founding of the new world would be done to their specifications and directions and no less. The unmarried would be paired at the command of the sisterhoods to break down existing groups and rebuild them into a new national identity as well as to broaden the genetic base of the new nation.

Military training will be compulsory but would not be an excuse to shirk regular duties. Punishments would be harsh, discipline expected at all times.

In short they would be held to the same standards that the sisterhood holds themselves to, but the sisters chose that life whereas the colonists possibly didn't realize what they were signing up for. The next generation would just consider it normal.

Are there any named Sisters we can use?

>>64303256
AdBio I can see doing shady shit because it's staffed by mad scientists. Hospitaliers not so much as they are the will of the Imperium made manifest.

>>64233998
The sad thing is that most of them genuinely are loyal. They are assholes as a rule and their old empire was a fun time for them and they want it back.

>>64305443
>But it’s not shady if it strengthens our sisters as a whole!
Selling on the downlow to random aristos? Probably not. Integrating inheritance packages they seized from a rogue biologicus into several important Matriarchies? Slightly more likely.

>>64303512
>FERAL FIRE, it’s Milon. Remember Gordon V, Laiser Hive? Yeah, you still owe me for that gang-war, and I’m calling it in. I need you to get to Monadder III and start investigating the Matriarchies there. I’m in the middle of deploying to a ‘nid fight, otherwise I would look at their shady shit myself.
>Pretty sure they heavily married into the local aristos, and are operating some flimsy shell companies to buy up most of the industries. At least Lainey says they’re flimsy.
>I trust you, or at least your judgement, with this. But don’t die over it, okay?

>Milon? Go fuck yourself, it’s worse. It’s the Demetria family using their branches to pretend to be multiple. I had to start three sewer fires to get away. I’m calling my favor in from pulling you out of the grox stampede - backup.

>Feral, Milon - stop trading favors, you’re siblings. I passed the concerns and reports along to the ExAction committee in the Abbey, and we’re striking the hammer hard on them.
>Thank you for being paranoid and suspicious, and don’t forget to sharpen your knives.
>Love, Mom

>>64303512
The Imperium might not be too happy about letting the Securitas start too many worlds of their own. It's good at the start but after a thousand years it gets weird. And then they start second generation colonies.

>>64303512
So extensile it becomes a shrine world but instead of having the ecclesiarchy bossing you around. you instead got the sisterhood bossing you around

>>64309459
Yes. There would even be a strong religious element. Strong faith in something is a mild deterrent to Chaos and the Orders find that a shared faith binds units together.

Societies made by them would have strong influences of whatever traditions they were raised in.

>>64308922
>>64309459
Probably not on the entire starting colonies thing. Becoming major players when the sisters are unscrupulous? Obviously. Becoming a major part of the local culture? Definitely (especially when their youth outreach group "Daughters of the Throne" starts setting up chapters - their boys division is effectively the Astartes youth outreach, since they really can't spare marines for more than short speaking tours). Slowly infiltrating local industries and aristocracies so they can get public works projects done? Absolutely.
Making a shit-ton of money by selling kitschy tourist trap equipment? Have you seen their share of the merch deals to come out of Aspects of Steel?

But is
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>>64268880
a good origin? I do especially like my idea of their rebellion against Vandire being them following the letter of his orders instead of being driven by illegal worship of Oscar.

>>64310039
It's not that they call for a pilgrimage to found new worlds, others do that and then the Imperium tells them to keep everything in order. It's just making the best of a bad situation. Everything that they do is within the law and following orders with enthusiasm and vigour.

The "problems", if problems they were, only became apparent after the founding of the first dozen or so worlds and over a thousand years had passed. They were too vigorous, too enthusiastic, too zealous and the Orders were the driving force behind it all.

The Imperium does not let them found new colonies anymore.

>>64311718
more like the colonies ended up with a culture that's almost like an eldar-human hybrid. Orders become like paths, life is regimented, but choice is there and a partially-oligarchic meritocracy is in place, centered around semi-religious communities tied together in a complex web of blood ties, alliances, and friendships. It somehow keeps working, but the societal differences are so tremendous they're almost like abhumans or a survivor civilization in their strangeness.

Also, I wrote a bit on the Sororitas response to Celestine's role in everything. No, the answer is not recruiting her.
>https://pastebin.com/qaX9P0Qq

The new sisters stuff seems to fit pretty well into the subplot/paradigm where because the Ordo Mutatio needs the AdBio’s expertise and cooperate closely with them to do their job safeguarding Imperial populations against genetic attack or degradation their other mission of policing the AdBio tends to get sidelined, if not disregarded as soon as it might impede the pursuit of various visions of long term Imperial evolution. Even as the precautionist parts of the AdBio work with the inquisitorial arm relating to their field to reign in unscrupulous actors, radicals among the same groups use the same infrastructure as a pipeline for their projects.

The Ordo Mutatio’s third and only semi-official capacity as the Inquisition’s internal research and development house for their own advanced wetware augmetics would make a realatonship with the best equipped groups of sisters a distinct possibility.

Bump

>>64302380
Happiness and then confusion as to why everything is so different from what there stories about the great and bountiful human Dominion portrayed it to be

Do we have a timeline for Vandire, other than about 150 years in M36 or so? Because in canon he had 70 years, stretching from 200.M36 to 270.M36. Do we want to keep the end date or something like that?

>>64302317
The space Skaven from "The End, but One of Many" had a cargo cult around the Imperium instead of the Great Horned Rat.

>>64312748
Not bad. I like how it shows Oscar's changing role from the Warlord front and center in everything to the politician more behind the scenes but still has to deal with the consequences of what happened in his early days.

>>64310211
One of the things that was thrown around was that Vandire recruited the Sisters because they were a group from a backwater world he could mold into a thug group. Vandire has been suggested to be a lot like Stalin (comparisons to Dong Zhou have also been made), in that he got a lot of people to fall in line by cultivating multiple independent wetwork groups, and kept them in line through mutual intimidation. Some of these groups who might otherwise voice moral quandries were kept quiet out of fear that Vandire would send someone after them. Vandire was really good at Shadow Wars bullshit.

Thor exploited Alicia's increasing feeling that Vandire was doing the wrong thing by bribing the proto-Sisters of San Leor from being Vandire's supporters to being HIS supporters. Alicia was basicaly Thor's right hand, and the two of them were important in convincing Oscar to keep the Sisters around. However, I like your suggestion as well as it gives more agency to Alicia.

I'm not sure how much the too conflict, but given how scattered some of the old Sisters fluff is it might be a good idea to go with the version that's already written out here and save what we can of the old stuff.>>64310211


>>64318779
150 years of Reign of Madness or so, then ten years of it boiling into outright civil war. He was somewhat prominent before then and had a reputation of being a hard worker and nice guy until the paranoia took over. Which wasn't helped by one of his big claims to fame being a major figure in dealing with Peak Genestealer in the Genestealer Wars.

A bit of new fluff, covering the history of the Sororitas augmentations (not their specific capabilities, although their modified bell curve is compared against the human capability range)
https://pastebin.com/8dev6kXs
>>64319029
>story
I like writing Oscar, since my vision of him is someone that combines capable leadership (not in the traditional sense, but in the sense that the man groks logistics and political relationships pretty damn well) with an absolute joy at being handed the Myst series (at last, a puzzle that doesn't judge him!). Very much a "Fuck the ego, I have shit to do" kind of guy, combined with Maxim 63 (the brass know how to do it by knowing who can do it).
>Vandire Shadow Wars
I love that the Shadow Wars is still being used. As for his recruitment, I kind of prefer the "make an organization, then co-opt" approach for the AS. Vandire accumulating mercenary wet work groups is great, probably something he did, but getting a major augmentation project done would've been very noticeable. Hence him co-opting official resources to make an official group that he can take control of and use to smoke screen the other wetwork groups. But I like the Stalin approach.
Alicia standing her ground and arguing for the Sisters by pointing out where they had done their job despite Vandire is kind of an important theme to this vision of the Sisters, with a message to Oscar that he has a duty to use competent people to keep the Imperium together. The other person arguing for her was Isha, complementing the theme of the Sororitas being "Isha's Marines" and the feminine, stabilizing counterpart to the Astartes.
>timeline
Well, I figured it out by just avoiding hard dates and using years relative to Vandire taking the throne. I also figure on about 200 years for the total reign, which gave them 50 years before the madness and also let Oscar discover a decent beach.

>>64319620
>I like writing Oscar, since my vision of him is someone that combines capable leadership (not in the traditional sense, but in the sense that the man groks logistics and political relationships pretty damn well) with an absolute joy at being handed the Myst series (at last, a puzzle that doesn't judge him!). Very much a "Fuck the ego, I have shit to do" kind of guy, combined with Maxim 63 (the brass know how to do it by knowing who can do it).
I like this interpretation of Oscar, but one part of my personal interpretation is that Oscar is, or would be, a very dangerous man when denied the political power he has wielded all his life.

Part of this is influenced by some of the past discussions that raised the concern that our project needs to remain self aware, and not turn into an exercise in apologetics for the ideas of imperialism, pragmatic aristocracy/oligarchy, and 'enlightened' autocracy, and that we should understand that being an idealized version of empire defines both the virtues and limits of the Imperium. It also comes from an impression of various historical leaders with similar backstories and personalities to his, where even at their best and least egotistical, they will suppress and marginalize rivals and do everything they deem actually necessary when it comes to seeing their vision advanced over others in the actual administrative realities of state.

>>64319896
In the same way he's the sort of man to consider himself an administrator rather than an Emperor, Oscar is the sort of man to present his personal best estimate as not objective, but definitely empirical. That he is vastly more powerful than nearly any other in terms of observation and cognition still doesn't change that Oscar is a neurotic, insecure, isolated scholar-autocrat that does his best, but ends up scrawling his the manifestations of his imperfect psyche across galactic history just like Be'lakor.

>>64319620
What I mean is that you should think about writing a historical figure akin to a real emperor when writing Oscar instead of writing THE EMPARA! in any way, shape, or form.

>>64319896
>>64319964
"Fuck the ego, I have shit to do" combined with high intelligence definitely leads to dangerous people. Because it can very quickly become "fuck your ideas, I know how to handle the problems with mine, and you can't even comprehend the issues yours has". Oscar probably isn't that bad yet, but he would absolutely engineer a takeover if he saw his "best solutions" not being implemented (or if they just ran into real-world problems). Vandire probably just made it worse, and the fact that the details of running Imperium at peace or major crisis is 100% an out-of-context problem for him just makes it even more imperative that he be handled to prevent him from overhauling training programs to impossible standards.
He knows intellectually just how far ahead of everybody else he is, but he doesn't get it instinctively. Socially speaking he's struck with that anxiety forming fight between Imposter Syndrome and the Dunning-Kreuger Effect.
The only reasons he wanted Sanguinius on the Throne is because it fits the biases Malcador indoctrinated him in, Sanguinius was the only one who could approach his abilities, and the last reason doesn't matter because the instant Ol' Sangy screwed a minor detail up Oscar would've started a power struggle by trying to fix it.

>>64320118
>>64320015
In other words, you're right.

>>64320145
Well, nice to know we're in agreement when it comes to this central figure. I guess my take is that Vandire represented just the first ripple in the social structure from a Man of Stone trying to fill in for a Man of Gold. Maybe if the ideal versions of High Lords were all packed full of advanced mental augmetics, all running their minds together in some accelerated processing cogitator, wired into some self sustaining (horrifically consumptive) version of the Astronomicon reconfigured to provide sensory informational feedback, could begin to actually fill in for Oscar's utility to the Imperium. Humans alone, even with the sort of nearly posthuman adaptability we've granted the Men of Stone, are not enough to keep a galactic empire running under extreme duress, at least as we have framed it. They need the infrastructure and knowledge that goes well beyond a single planet and a few thousand years, and Oscar has already succeeded in building a society beyond that timescale.

>>64320752
if he can survive the immediate threats to his civilization, his next challenge will be to make that society into one that survives on a much longer timeline, more like the Old Empire's. Included in that are all the challenges of elevating humanity and all the other peoples of the Imperium to the heights seen in the prior age before Old Night to stand with the Eldar, and then passing on the Golden Throne successfully, rather than needing to resume it, and thus making the Imperium an institution of immortal timespans. The ultimate goodness of that is debatable.

>>64320836
Keep in mind that Oscar's only real goal in life is to become obsolete and he's spent much time and effort in trying to achieve this. When he thought he had managed it he didn't spend his time looking over everyone's shoulder, waiting to pounce on some one for doing it wrong; he sat on a beach and did more or less nothing for two hundred years.

His goals when he set out from the territories of Clan Terrawatt were to make a realm where human safety and dignity were assured. The details on how this is accomplished are not all that relevant, it's why the Imperium on the local levels has an example of every viable form of government and why slavery is still legal so long as it's regulated to maintain safety and dignity.

The Imperium is gradually sliding towards Horus' ideal structure and he's smart enough to have realized this. He doesn't care, it's not how he would have done it admittedly but it's not a problem because it's not a problem.

He never set out with the aim of including xenos into his Imperium. But he did because it's not a problem. He intended originally to crush Gredbritton, the Yndonesic Bloc and Merika and divide their territories among his allies but the plan changed because there wasn't a problem. He intended Hy Brasil to become a member state of his Imperium but when they refused he didn't invade because it's citizens were not illtreated, so their wasn't a problem. It wasn't how he would have liked things to go down or how he planed for things to happen but everything was good so he adapted to it.

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>>64322181
When the wars are over, Chaos is contained, the orks are exterminated, the Necrons are dealt with (one way or another) and the 'Nids driven out or wiped out there will be peace and safety. Without the threats it may eventually come to pass that the majority of the constituent parts of the Imperium vote for the dissolution of the Imperium. That won't be a problem because safety and dignity will be assured, the reason for the Imperium will be accomplished and the Imperium much like himself will be obsolete.

He will be able to fade away, make a regular life for himself somewhere quiet. This time though he'll keep up with the news a little better.

>>64307774
If they are buying/commissioning augmentations from a sanctioned AdBio then it is assumed that they are legitimate and their work is up to standard. If it is not the case then it is not their fault, it's the AdAdmin/AdBio's fault for not keeping shit in line.

>>64322235
The Eldar won't let him vanish into the background completely, he's part of their holy writ now.

Bumping with promise of writing

>>64325102
He's not a major deity, he's just married to one.

>>64322235
He'd still have to do the soul-binding.

In terms of nailing down Vandires reign, I’ll place the start of it at 0001.001.M36. That’s right, New Years! It was supposed to be a deliberate thing, synchronizing the new year and the new millennium to the era of the first emperor.
So then we place the “official” start of the Civil War (officially when Oscar stepped in) 200-201.M36, the first madness at 050.M36, and the end of the civil war and Oscar as Emperor at 210-211.M36

>>64328164
If the fire hawks is a thing in nobledark. They would probably side with vandire this time around.

>>64329001
Why?

>>64327699
If, after it all goes peacful, everyone survives and the Imperium does indeed drift apart there might not be a need for them. The only reason there are Astropaths at all is because the Imperium needs an FTL communication network maintain integrity on a vast scale.

In much the same way as the Astronomican is not strictly needed as the Navigators existed long before it did.

>>64299414
>Valkyrie

On a side note the Valkyries are an exception in that they use Securitas issue "Summer Frost" augmentation but aren't part of the Securitas. The augmentations are specifically designed not to be inheritable or capable of being cultivated outside of an AdBio workshop. You can't just copy paste and inject it into another host, it won't do anything except possibly increase the risk of getting cancer later in life.

The Valkyries are a mystery, and a worrying one. And an uncooperative one as they class the upgrading as a religious rite and therefore it comes under the jurisdiction of the Ordo Hereticus to investigate and the Hereticus habitually take vows of silence on the specifics of what they see so that they can be trusted to investigate secret faiths and faiths that have secret rites. The Hereticus Inquisitor then gives a thumbs up or down and nothing else and everything remains polite and peaceful. It all works on trust, absolute trust and so the honesty and trustworthiness of the Hereticus Inquisitors must be utterly beyond question.

The Valkyries were investigate. A thumbs up was give. Everyone went about their business and that was most definitely that.

The real concern is the loophole they are using in regards to the Decree Passive. They maintain that they are not a militarized religious institution. They are a specialist military institution whose membersshare a common religion. This is bullshit but the Imperium is too busy to call them out on it at the current time, assuming it even legally could. The Imperium won't break it's own laws willingly.

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Okay, I firmed up their history in an overview, made it a more focused article.
https://pastebin.com/BxjFf5Ca
>>64331478
>Valkyrie
Definitely going to have to see what we have on them so far. What is the Summer Frost augmentation? A project name for one of the AS2 models, or a specialist augmentation add-on?

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>>64333113
Why does the good shit always get posted when I want to sleep?

>>64333151
Ah. See, I put the current top one at AS2, with most of the focus being on making variants that increase the recruiting pool without reducing capability. (The models C, F, and G all have the greatest individual recruiting pools, with one of them being fairly cheap relatively speaking).

ORDERS IOCUS
KATANA: Yakov, put these fancy clothes on. We’re going out with the Sisters of The Enthusiastic Walk.
YAKOV: And what do they do?
KATANA: We put on fancy clothes and take enthusiastic walks through the dangerous parts of hives.
YAKOV: Don’t people try to mug you?
KATANA: Very enthusiastic walks.
-Aspects Of Steel: Legacy Of Death, episode 5 “The Red Coat Murders”
With the importance of Orders to social relationships in the Sororitas, it’s no surprise that they have parodied them themselves. The Orders Iocus are voluntary associations built around hobbies, common interests, and jokes. Some examples of the stranger ones include The Order of The Oblong Maneuver, which plays every variant of chess except the original; The Order Of The Exploitive Camera, which produces the “Catfight” genre/shared universe via flatvid, novels, graphic novels, and action figurines; the Order of The Enthusiastic Walk, which did not exist until the writers for Aspects Of Steel created it; the Orders Fabulous, which covers both musical groups with Sororitas members and Sororitas-themed drag queens; and the very famous Order of The Motivational Picture, which produces devotional pornography as part of some members worship of Isha.

CATFIGHT: A Sororitas produced shared universe that technically falls in the Martial Arts genre, but is usually counted as a sub-genre. In a more peaceful and heroic alternate universe, psycho-spiritually empowered women in skimpy outfits (it has been stated that the Warp in that universe does not work in the same way the real one does) engage in over-the-top martial arts fights for a variety of reasons, such as glory, ideology, powerful lost artifacts, the fate of the universe, or because they happened to be in the same noodle shop. These are usually good fun, but works produced by as many as fifty groups and over three hundred artists and writers across almost three millennia, there are as many truly horrendous works as there are universally beloved.

>>64335035
I think thats the actual distinction from the canon Imperium. Our Imperium has culture, high and low, while the canon imperium glosses over it or makes it a sign of chaos corruption.

>>64336866
Everybody knows that in canon 40K, everything must be war. Everything. Not being War is Heresy, and Heresy is Chaos.
There is only War. There is no hope, or peace, or holding back, or being honest. Only endless murder, pestilence, lies, and excess in the name of loyalty.
Really, Canon 40K basically screams “Chaos Recruitment”.

>>64317678
At some point they would learn the difference and the reasons, they would still be happy someone came for them.

>>64336866
Culture is one of the things I focus on. It's a good way to distinguish groups,and the fluff is usually easily incorporated (We can spend entire threads on arguing over a few minor details relating to what you would see in a wargame, but something like Aspects of Steel is quickly accepted. It has no effect on the bigger picture). Canon 40K glosses over everything that isn't related to war or one of the big names of history, so no surprise there.

>>64331478
There was mention of rumours that they have a Securitas enshrined beneath one of their holy sites, not necessarily under the Fang.

Hows and whys are not asked and they deny everything.

>>64335035
We really need a list of popular Imperial media.

>>64327164
Still a religious figure.

>>64341158
The legacy of Russ' black site lives on.

How blatent are the Securitas/AdBio in their eugenics programs?

>>64345978
Its semi-formalized when it comes to self-policing

>>64345978
They sure as shit make no secret that they're doing it, or that they're justified in doing it. The sad truth of it is that "pure" humanity went extinct a lomg time before the Age of Strife and that everyone alive by the Great Crusade is descended from someone who has had some gene-work done to them. But so what? The problem is that it's been generations of splices building up and the old splicers weren't operating on a standardised system most of the time, certainly not over the whole of humanity for even a fraction of the time.

And then the splices still present in the human population start mixing as humanity becomes again reunited and intermingle in the Great Crusade. The results are often not pretty.

The job of the AdBio and the Sisterhoods in these cases is to prevent degeneration, promote good intermingling with more compatible partners and try and splice in patches or remove faulty chimera genes.

They make no secrets of this, public trust and cooperation is too important.

>>64347352
I think the only things that really stand in their way are the sheer variety of humanity and Nurgle.
If they could just deploy a retrovirus, every project would become cheaper. But every retrovirus is a potential target for Nurgle and he has the advantage even if Isha extends her protection to it.
The only way it’s viable is if it gets stored and deployed only in a heavily warded quarantine ward, with a short enough viability time outside of specialist conditions that you don’t have to worry about it breaking out, but long enough to do its job.
And it still doesn’t help the currently alive, it just changes their future kids.

>>64348100
Tzneetch also loves to fuck it all up, nothing like introducing mutations to make deformed sociopaths willing to back stab everyone around them for personal gain.

>>64342289
I try. Problem is I can only come up with so much.
I also like to flesh them out, which can become a bit unwieldy as it means we’re not working on the big stuff. For example, I’m thinking about writing an interview with Yakov's actor that details why he retired (basic idea is that he was fighting nurglites, his suit got breached, and a set of viruses made him extremely allergic to the black carapace. He suffered through that for two weeks before they decided the cure wasn’t going to happen before the pain drove him insane), and I have a partial filmography of the initial Catfight series (it was originally Legends of Holy Fist Alzandria, and was shot by amateurs in their spare time. LHFA 2: Erika’s Revenge was shot over a very drunken two week leave, and maintained its “A Truly Horrendous Monstrosity” Rating from the review aggregator Entertainment Abominations for so long it has an award named after it. LHFA 5: Fight for The Cat Totem is what have the series its common name)

>>64348596
And no, Legends of Holy Fist Alzandria is not a reference to anything, it just seems like the sort of wuxia B-movie a bunch of martial artists with access to cameras and practical sfx would make.

>>64348100
Isha, as she is now, isn't all powerful or indeed all that powerful at all on the cosmic scale.

She stays in the mortal world by being low power enough that she can permanently inhabit a mortal host. The excess gets spread across her followers who have varying degrees of ability to use it.

She can do miracles but it costs her, or it's buffing a process already in place. Speeding up the re-terraforming of ruined worlds in the wake of The Beast was massively accelerating the work of her disciples and the AdBio and concentrating everything she had in a single place.

A lower birthrate among her people resulted but a few less babies whilst everything rebuilt was a calculated price worth paying.

Her other miracles down the ages have been minor.

>>64333113
>>64335035
More firmed up Sororitas fluff, getting into a decent form for the wiki.
This one is for Orders.
https://pastebin.com/QWHHjiET

So here's my total Sisters fluff from the this thread:

>>64333113
Origins
>https://pastebin.com/BxjFf5Ca

>>64319620
Development of the Augmentations (needs minor edits)
>https://pastebin.com/8dev6kXs

>>64292559
>>64292820
The Matriarchies

>>64276864
>>64279595
>>64280638
Increased flexibility and the Art of Dominion (their martial art)

>>64268880
>>64269010
>>64276576
Convents and Ranks (needs to be firmed up and focused)

>>64335035
Orders Iocus

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This has been, for years the coolest /tg/ thing I've ever seen, but I've never had the time to really sit through the lore, and I hope one day I can really lay into it and catch up.

In the meantime, I just want to say I love this particular part of this image. Just grab a daemon's face, no big deal.

>>64352569
Well, there's plenty to read

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>>64352569
There's a lot more depth in this setting then one would expect.

Relations between Sororitas and Valkyries: A bit patchy, since they're pretty sure a Hospitaller of Augmentation Research from Fenris took them the tech needed. They work well together on medical issues, especially since Battlefield Trauma is always willing to train medics.
The true relationship, kept as secret as possible, is that the remnants of Canis Helix in the Fenrisian population has a synergy with the AS2 mB, both amplifying each other to increase capabilities on the Sororitas bell curve by 15%. One experiment showed that combining an illegally unlocked AS2 mB with an unlocked gene sample from a Space Wolf resulted in a female child with proven capabilities at 75% of the male donor, and a theoretical capability range of -2% on the male Canis Helix bell curve.
The experiment, once reported to the AdBio and the Emperor, resulted in the child being gene-locked to the best capacity possible and sterilized and the Sororitas who performed the procedure (and gave birth to the child - a common way for the Sisters in Augmentation Research to hide experiments) being reassigned to where all the brilliant mad gene-hackers with questionable ethics go - the secret projects division of the AdBio, stuck right on Old Terra in a secondary data site on the Emperor's doorstep. The child was delivered to her father, who was justifiably horrified at illegal genetic experimentation, but was the best suited to raise someone who would be naturally equal to a young scout marine. He also couldn't resist telling his precious little girl the truth when she grew up, leading her to getting a lesser augmentation procedure made from her genes by a black-market AdBio researcher and starting her own Sororitas! With the Old Gods of Fenris! And more melee combat!

>>64356562
Her da was so proud. No, really. He kind of bragged about how badass his daughter is/was (depending on our timeline for their creation).
The Valkyries, in addition to being just barely on this side of not breaking the Decree Passive (as a mystery cult their priests are not public knowledge, which would help with them proving that they're not command officers), are also the primary users of the Summer Frost add-on augmentation, which gives very good regenerative abilities in exchange for a heightened cancer risk that the portions of the Canis Helix they have beats down. Yes, they don't get the cancers that ordinary users do.

>>64356582
The AS2 mB/Canis Helix combo is a shelved project. The two have differing compatibility markers, meaning that creating them would require deliberate breeding. This is a big nope from Oscar, not only from the ethical considerations (breeding for the markers still allows for a normal life, deliberate breeding of super soldiers does not) but also from the potential for Chaos to turn members and get a self-reproducing army.

>>64356562
>>64356582
>>64356865
Even more Secret: The Valkyrie Augmentation was not purchased from an actual blackmarket gene-hacker. That role was played an Interrogator in the Retinue of an Eldar Inquisitor-Seer, who foresaw the potential for the Valkyrie founder to accidentally give Chaos her gene samples. The actual work was performed by her own mother under close supervision, and is as genelocked as the Sororitas augmentation. The lesser version also gave extreme cancer resistance, so Summer Frost was thrown in as a freebie. The only problem is that is has the same genetic requirements as the AS2 mB, meaning they have to fight with the Sororitas for recruits. It also increases the transmission rate of the Canis Helix fragments found scattered in the general Fenrisian population when they have children, but since that means more potential recruits for the Space Wolves they're okay with it.
(the following is completely optional, and probably somebody's magical realm)
As a side effect, the cancerous potential is instead turned towards growth when activated, much like how Fenrisian Wolves grow throughout their lives (this parallel actually plays into their favor among the religious, even if it makes some people compare them to Orks). This means that the more damage a Valkyrie survives, the bigger (in multiple ways) and tougher she gets, until she hits about the size of an Astartes - at which point she's only a few dozen liters of blood, a couple of organs, and a few missing limbs from getting some nasty tumors. SO far, only one of them have hit that point,and recent modifications to the augmentation has reduced the growth rate and potential size. The growth is actually kind of annoying to the Valkyries, since it means they have to resize their armor and get cosmetic surgery the more badass they become - this is a pretty expensive proposition for an organization funded by religious donations and mercenary contracts.

++QUADRATIC FAME: THE BEST ENTERTAINMENT NEWS AGGREGATOR IN THE IMPERIUM++
"Golden Spire Films does Catfight Right!"
Media Reviewer Jameson Sparker, Flock Together News Service (Obscurus/Tahmal/Tahmal/Austea III - Flock Hive) POSTED 235995.M41
It is well known among reviewers of low-brow entertainment (such as yours truly) that there is no such thing as a good remake of the Catfight movies from a major studio. You get some good originals, such as our own Golden Spire's "Iron Totem" spin-off series (if you haven't seen them, do it. The characters use the techniques of the titular Iron Totem to use their powers on vehicles, which leads to some truly amazing races between empowered ground cars and the best fight scenes you never thought a T'au battlesuit could fit in).
Well, it looks like Golden Spire has learned what makes the original Catfight films so lovable. They also cheated and hired a Sister from one of the current production teams as executive producer. Senior-Sister Tania Osage was one of the primary canon compliance people for the Exploitative Camera team in our local Convent of The Scything Feather, and has apparently decided to use her hobby while on maternity leave. According to the initial press briefing (from what I could see, I was one of three reviewers to pay attention. More loss to those classist heathens), she was instrumental in making sure they kept the feel and low-key ridiculousness of the originals, and in keeping them at a really low budget and quick post-production phase.

>>64359173
I say she did the finest job anybody could expect. So far, we have been treated to their remake of the first two, with original "Legends of Holy Fist Alzanadria" titles, kept in the original 45 minute "double feature" length. And what a feature! It was just like my childhood, watching the originals on late-night vidcast and being disappointed (initially) at their refusal to air the second (looking back, I am thankful). But you don't have to worry about that, as their version of Erika's Revenge is perfect. It balances that fine line of following the original script without mocking it, the touches of humor were delivered perfectly by Juneen Kilam's classic dry wit, and they managed to make it fit seamlessly into the known sequel hooks and questions of the first while providing ones that were seemingly answered without questions in Terminal Impact.
I am truly excited for this, but saddened by their decision to release the films (which are apparently moving through the finishing phases of post-production) spaced two months apart. It is not as bad as it sounds, as 1-6 will be released in their double feature formats, making it two movies in one, while 7-10 will be stand alone releases due to their full feature lengths. Hopefully Golden Spire's directors don't take this as an excuse to just remake other films from the Catfight universe as they will, but instead focus on translating some of the other original content into movie form. I would love to see Legacy of the Moonsilver Hornet move from visual novel to the big screen.

>>64357628
Not entirely sure I'm on board with the direction the Securitas is going.

>>64359501
That's the Valkyries. I was attempting to provide an origin link between them and the Sororitas, since someone mentioned earlier they were linked somehow.
But if you want to go indepth on what you're not sure about, I'm willing to listen.

A nobledark battle. Not quite a victory, not quite a defeat.

https://pastebin.com/8hzixP24

>>64359931
I like it. A phyric victory - they lost a planet, 3 billion people, the equipment and industrial base that 4 billion people can provide. On the plus side, that's 1 billion people who can be resettled on some forgeworld or sent out as colonists to some depopulated world.
Also, one less planet for the Administratum to keep track of... Saves them, what? a few million manhours per year on the paperwork?
Yeah, it's reaching on the positive effects. Definitely nobledark.

>>64350544
Ceggers does something similar with the exception that he's incarnated rather than possessed somehow

>>64348596
I'll try and put a list together of what we've done when I get home.

>>64332982
Not very. There's some of it in there but Tallarn after nukes is still wetter than Arrakis. They're kind of Arab, kind of mix of every arid wasteland culture.

How much does the Imperium know about Be'Lakor?

>>64365272
They know that he exists, thanks to the sacrifices of a large number of Alpha Legion. They don't know that he's a surviving Old One, and to be fair even if somebody made that claim the Eldar would flat-out deny it and refuse to consider the possibility.

>>64359570
One of the main things about the Securitas augmentation is that they can pass for normal. It adds to their effectiveness, they can identify in plain sight. Having them become giants kind of defeats that.

>>64366987
And as i said, that’s a very optional idea for the Valkyries, who are definitely **not** Sororitas. Summer Frost acting that way is an idea that would apply only to the Valkyries.
For everyone else, it will still give them some very aggressive cancer after a century or so.

>>64368232
I just feel that it takes away from their flavour as immaculate warrior angels to have them so physically marred. Sort of a contrast to the Wolves who are, whilst a lot more devastating, more unstable.

But that could just be me.

>>64368232
Here's a writeup of how my version of Summer Frost works
+++AS2/CS-241vB "Summer Frost"+++
The Summer Frost augmentation is an optional, and removable, capability enhancement available across all models of the AS2 Augmentation. Its effects are best stated in the first report on its side effects, written in 742.M40 by Senior Sister Iqnatius Valentine, Order Hospitaller of Augmentation Research, Convent of The Questing Eye:
"Augmentation add-on AS2/CS-241 is built for accelerated healing, capable of healing the majority of non-critical wounds under field conditions by activating biochemical markers at the wound site and releasing modified stem cells in conjunction with a growth accelerant, all produced by the organ itself. Under hospital conditions, critical wounds, such as lost organs and severed limbs can be regrown by placing the subject in a nutrient-enhanced life support tank with Biologus supplied organ and limb scaffolds, taking up to two weeks for extreme damage."
"The primary side effect, other than terminal stupidity caused by feeling invulnerable, is a cancer risk that increases by a constant multiplier with a period dependent on frequency and type of usage. Cancer risk hits 50% after 100 years for light users who have had no more than five limbs or organs regrown, with typical users facing the same percentage at 50 years, and the heaviest users staring cancer in the face at 25 years after implantation. All this is after medical care and anti-cancer treatments. There is nothing we can do without dropping the end result below project requirements, meaning that users will have their careers cut short, like a flower in bloom being cut down by a sudden summer frost".

>>64369809
The Valkyries, in my initial draft, don't get the cancers - Canis Helix fights against the increased cancer risk, which basically means they're immune to cancer. The increased growth idea was just an idea, and is easily thrown out without effecting their image as warrior angels.

>>64365468
The eldar interacted with him very early in their post-War in Heaven history. He tried to claim that as the last living Old One he had sovereignty over them but both the eldar and their pantheon didn't buy it (possibly because of their idealized visions of what the Old Ones were like). Be'lakor was a monster figure in eldar myths from this period.

>>64357628
>>64366987
>>64368232
>>64369809
The reason the Valkyries are supposed to be the way they are is that the implantation of the Securitas augments activates with the dormant bits of Canis Helix present in their DNA. Little bits of Canis Helix are present in all Fenrisians, but they are supposed to be inactive due to DaoT gene-copywriting technology. What happens with the Valkyries is the Securitas augmentations are similar enough to Astartes geneseed or normal Canis Helix splicing that adding them into the body turns the otherwise junk genes back on. As a result, the Valkyries are kind of like mini-Space Wolves in the same way that regular Sisters are "diet Space Marines", fitting with their image of "werewolf jetpack Valkyrie paramedics".

>>64369809
If anything, their feral demeanor and enhanced senses makes a nice contrast with their appearance and official job as paramedics, kind of like the canon Blood Angels and the Red Thirst

>>64370519
A combo already in there (first part of >>64356562 ). Regular Sororitas augmentations are enhanced by the Canis Helix remnants in the Fenrisian population. It was an illegal combination of the augmentations with the full Canis Helix (something that requires deliberate breeding of super soldiers)that resulted in the specific augmentation used by the Valkyries being created on the down-low. Basically, their founder is a Female Space Wolf (on the low end, like a young scout marine), with the Valkyries themselves being diet Space Wolves.

>>64370519
Tzeentch also gave the Be'Lakor's old webway bunker to the Eldar around that time. To them it was a divine gift and a show of their empire's momentous fate, but it's entirely more probable that it had been a slight to the old sload. It's also possible that it's all part of the plan, especially with what happened to the bunker, but with the birth of Slaanesh being involved maybe not.

>>64370519
Isha then would recognise Be'lakor. Maybe she believes he's an Old One maybe she doesn't, she does believe that he's a piece of shit. If he ever was an Old One, she would say, he must have been a pretty defective specimen.

>>64371106
>>64372138
Nobody has yet managed to remember that Old Ones left maintenance equipment for the Webway tucked away in their little janitorial bunkers.

A new, very common, augmentation.
CIRCADIAN REGULATOR: rediscovered and recreated from pre-AoS samples in early M33, this simple and widespread augmentation had become cheap with minimal compatibility requirements by late M34 that it became mandatory for all members of the Imperial Military. Now cheap enough that the average citizen can afford them for their children, and a compatibility range covering virtually 100% of humanity, this is literally the most common augmentation.
It consists of a heavily modified retrovirus injected past the blood/brain barrier, where it performs a minor set of edits to the brain over two weeks. The effect is to reduce the amount of time spent attaining the REM cycle stage of sleep, in addition to making it easier to wake up. With better sleep achieved over a lesser amount of time, the average citizen can sleep for six hours and maintain activity for 18. In the Imperial Military, the recruits are taught a series of meditative techniques that allow them to achieve the same results with four hours of sleep, with operational time being extended by 20-minute naps on the order of every six to ten hours, up to 45 hours after the last four-hour sleep cycle. After 45 hours, the usual effects of sleep deprivation start, but extended due to the naps partially fulfilling the need for sleep.
In the Navy, a 24-hour schedule is maintained with a four hour sleep and two periods of nine hours and forty-five minutes separated by a thirty minute rest period containing a nap.
The Imperial Guard simply goes for a 12-hour schedule, with a four hour duty shift and another reserve shift between sleep cycles. Under combat conditions that allow for it, naps are taken in shifts.

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Sometimes, when campaigns get really desperate or the drugs hit really hard, the 'officers' of the Savlar Chem Dogs must face the facts, give in, give up, and requisition heavy arms from home, rather than their prefered method of scrounging around for privately (often ranging from Rogue Trader held corp to local PDF foundry) produced fighting vehicles. In either case, the services of the local adherents to the OMBs orthodoxy will not be asked or offered, but their reluctance to rely on the Savlar Brotherhood is often thought peculiar even by the standards of that strange world. The reason is actually eminently sensible, being that the Savlar Brotherhood has significantly less experience producing war machines than they do exotic matter, and while their enthusiasm, creativity, and their accumulation of outcasts form the OMB compensates for this in some part, their comparatively limited production capacity does away with any ground gained. When the leaders of the Chem Dogs make such a request of the Savlar Brotherhood it will certainly be filled, but never with what has been asked for. Instead they can expect creative solutions for their problems, ones that serve laundry lists of roles, with fanciful new systems.

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>>64371073
I don't think there are any technically any female Space Wolves. We've said there's nothing physically stopping them from doing it, but it's not like normal Astartes that are gene-locked or Iron Hands where gender is no object because you'll all look like Robocop eventually.

It's possible Leman banned augmenting female aspirants after what happened to his daughter Geri, though there had to be enough female aspirants in the initial batch for there to be a viable breeding population of Fenrisian Wolves.

>>64377522
Probably more like he had it pointed out that breeding super soldiers is a bad idea and enhancing your only source of reinforcements is also a bad idea.
This probably only got pointed out to him after he made the wolves.

So do people in the wider imperium believe in machine spirits or is it just seen as a superstition of the mechanicus?

>>64379426
I'd imagine they at least kind of believe. For most of the Imperium, the Mechanicus are The technology experts, so whatever they say on the subject would be believed.

>>64379426
Yes. Because they do exist and so does sub-A.I. programs.

>>64377522
It might still be that the Canis Helix is male only. They were derived from the Thunder Warriors that were made by Malcador's pekple and Malcador didn't want women anywhere near a battlefield.

>>64379814
It just might be that the female Canis Helix is the Valkyries and the wolves was the end result Russ’ attempt to remove the huge sexual dimorphism that applying it to women created.

>>64380709
Or the Valkyries are local bootleg augmentation that's gone weird because of Fenris genes.

Home-brewing super soldiers isn't illegal in the Imperium, it's just discouraged and pointless when tried and tested varieties already exist.

>>64372138
Keep in mind that Isha met the Old Ones, Be'Lakor does still look like one to an extent.

>>64379814
Some are outright A.I. but are just really good at faking it.

>>64375649
>>64359931
>>64352438
So are these all good enough for everyone to go on the wiki or are there anything that might need to be altered?

>>64359931
I like it. The only thing I would suggest is making it Hive Fleet Leviathan. Leviathan was around the time the Necrons were waking up but the Imperium was still negotiating with them and Szarekh hadn't kicked off a cold war yet.

>>64385280
Leviathan it is, then.

>>64375649
It looks good bit should be noted that although it might be possible to survive on much less sleep people still feel that they need more even if they don't. Also it would vary in effectiveness a little between people.

Let's not make people too good, it would detract from the struggle.

Next thread theme?

>>64387949
Rise of the Imperium: The Musical.

>>64386745
I’ll work on it when I get home from work.

>>64375649
There are a few downsides and limitations. The psychological need for sleep is not diminished, nor are the factors that underlie insomnia. The augmentation also does very little regarding the physiological need for sleep, as aside from a few metabolic tweaks it does not significantly reduce the production of fatigue byproducts. Among civilians and the navy, this results in a weekly crash cycle of 8-16 hours of sleep. In the Guard, the crash cycle is increased in period due to their habit of taking frequent naps and the highly effective 12 hour schedule, typically up to a month between 16-20 crashes, but the Guard tries to schedule a weekly crash.
Effectiveness also varies, with the four hour sleep techniques being the optimum result, but results can range from a 10% decrease to a more typical 40%.
It can be safely implanted after age 5 in most subjects, but parents are warned that adolescents still require the typical amount of sleep for optimum health.