>>64663397
The Nightsider thing last thread was really good, wanted to mention it but the thread went down. Where would it go on the wiki?

>>64663406
I'm glad someone liked it.

>>64663397
Is Khorne aware of how stupid BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY sounds or have his followers not dared to tell him?

>>64663680
I don't think he gives a shit, really. Either that, or he's so angry that pointing out how dumb it is just redirects his anger, but does nothing to increase the anger levels already present.

>>64663406
Next to the other AbHumans like the Ogryn and Beastmen.

Who's ready for a TTRPG *~TRIP REPORT~*?

So I decided to run a short game (just 2 sessions so far) using DH 2E with some of my regular mates in the Nobledark. Two of them are fa/tg/uys, two of them just come here once in a while, and only one of them's familiar with Nobledark other than me. I decided to run a premade adventure so all of us can get the hang of things- it's one of DH's earliest premades, where a bunch of green Acolytes investigate a Logician operation deep in a hive.

Interestingly enough (for me at least), the players seemed to be a lot more diplomatic than usual. Maybe I and the setting-familiar guy emphasized a little too much of the Noble aspect, but even the dude who liked the shootybangchopchop decided to put more focus into his interaction skills.

(Cont.)

>>64664862
The first session went well, though the players threw in a bit of a wrench midway through our first session. See, I'd planned to run the premade relatively straight, with the Logician villain in charge in 'canon' 40K being the villain again, but this time, the players were wondering both IC and OOC if they really was the villain here. So I decided to run with it, and have the ex-villain be a Logician trying to contain a 'radical' offshoot of her sect before they ruined the Logicians' good name. And it kind of makes sense that they would think that way since, well, its Nobledark and people don't get warp portals opened in their head just for wanting to know stuff, I guess.

(Cont.)

>>64664939
In the end, they stopped the Evil Radical Dude, and I had a short Q&A as to what people thought about the universe.

Nobledark-familiar guy (Hi Sayed!):
He liked it, of course, and said it was p. much what he'd expected from the universe.

40K fan who doesn't know Nobledark:
Thought it was kind of 'off', and he might read up on things- he thought it was an interesting concept, and he wants to know more, but he likes 40K for the bleakness. Any idea how I can inject more of that into my games?

General fa/tg/uy (also Mr. Shootybang):
Liked it a lot more than I expected- dude's the opposite of the guy above, and generally likes more Noble-anything settings. He did think the sessions were a little less combat-focused than he liked, but that's entirely my fault.

General fa/tg/uy 2, likes TTRPGs but neutral on 40K:
Liked it as well, and says he prefers it to 40K canon, though not quite to the point of shootybang guy. He said he'd like to play something with a little more player agency though.

Taking all this in total, I've decided to run a kind of RT/OW game where the players are part of a PMC charged by an RT megacorp to take over an area of space. Hopefully it'd have enough grim and noble elements to satisfy everybody, but that's in the future. In all other respects, I think I can safely say that the Nobledark universe does have its place in the tabletop RPG sphere, though someone with more time and money than I do will have to see if it can work for the wargame proper.

How different are ratings to the baseline humanity? They must be more different than just pygmy humans because they are still classed as human.

>>64665060
I'm glad it went so well.

>>64665414
There was some discussion way back that they had three fingers and two thumbs, maybe a slightly more efficient digestive system due to having diverged due to famine conditions. They have noticeably better hand eye coordination than baseline humans which is why they are often snipers and marksmen when they aren't cooks.

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>>64665060
If you want to add bleakness allow the PCs to steamroll whoever they are fighting until they hit a brick wall then kick them in the nuts to remind them they aren't hot shit. After that, they go back to square 1 and have them be powerful enough to beat the brick wall. You can also have the PCs be tempted to commit atrocities because "They were just following orders" or money.

>>64666091
Thanks! I also think the players were a little more forgiving since I basically told them outright that I was going for a test run of the Nobledark universe rather than springing it upon them

One thing I found interesting was just how diplomatic everyone was being; I can certainly see the Nobledark universe being more popular among groups who like the aesthetic of 40K, and maybe some of the grimdark, but would like more options to talk to aliens without Corruption points sneaking in.

>>64666770
Yeah, I'm planning something like this; as noble as the players want to be, the Board wants to see a return on their investments, regardless of where it comes from.

>>64666957
>regardless of where it comes from.
And then they realised that the Imperium uses capitalism but isn't actually capitalist.

>>64668329
yeah, the interesting thing is that stuff like fiduciary obligations are seen to fall apart in the face of your obligation not to harm your fellow Imperial citizens. This isn't to say that exploitation doesn't exist, or even that it isn't directed, entrenched, and supported by the highest Imperial authorities when considered necessary, but it does mean that there is a hammer for misers as well as witches, and the Imperium is happy to swing it when it suits its interests.

>>64666957
Another way to make the quest more "grim" is the inclusion of failure; not even necessarily on the player's part, but in the events around them that are big enough for them to not be able to directly affect the outcome. An example would be something like a guard regiment that's started running drills on the planet before shipping out because they're actually several different regiments folded together because their losses were too severe to remain as functional regiments, and there's no time to ship in replacements because there's an offensive underway. Or have a fleet of ships scheduled to arrive, but they arrive heavily damaged and missing their escorts, who stayed behind to fight a rearguard action against a superior raiding force.
My personal favorite example would be a minor xenos race who are members of the Imperium, but have a miniscule population and no hope of growing because their homeworld got destroyed. Now they're basically wards of the Imperium, with a significant chunk of their population stuck under AdBio supervision just to ensure their breeding population is stable enough for them to not go extinct within the next century.

>>64669112
Another way to add grimness is to make the players choose between two evils. In a bit of fluff I was working on about how the Ordo Malleus is heavily involved in the entertainment industry (they have to make sure that people can’t get enough details on Chaos summonings to do it themselves - however, all wards shown in entertainment must be real), I thought of a blurb that really does capture just how grim things can get:
“The most recent incident that shows the urgency of the Malleus Censors is the Aldonia III incident in 985.M41. The art staff of the animated children’s show ‘Divine Sister Sophia’ accidentally included a summoning circle as part of the visual power effects for a new character. Individually the circle was too weak to do anything when tested, and was only present on screen for two seconds, but the initial broadcasts on the episode release date was enough to place it in the minds of the children watching it, with final ‘infection’ numbers estimated at approximately 14% of children under age 10. 4 hours after the final broadcast, the amount of children hit a trigger for the full combined effect, leading to the start of the incident. The ensuing 6 hour effort to save the children ultimately failed, and lead to a Chaos incursion that slaughtered 37% of the planetary population over 4 years. Reviews of the efforts show a pair of facts: the Inquisitors did discover a countermeasure that worked, with enough time to broadcast and potentially delay the final effects, but were unable to because the manual bypass for an automated broadcast scheduling system was shot out by a crazed parent. Additional delays were added by attempts to research a way past the side effect of the countermeasure: permanent blindness of the subject, and a partial destruction of the visual cortex of their brain. If they had not attempted to solve the side effect, the entire planet would’ve been saved.”

>>64669414
That’s the lesser of two evils (discounting the canon 40k response of “kill the kids and murder every animator on the planet”): blind the kids to the point where they can’t get new eyes, or race against an unknown timer to develop a better solution.

>>64664806
>>64664806
This would be the most sensible place to put it.

What are more rogue Trader magacorps?

Who is the Necron master Tyra is killer?

What’s the deal with the Taskmaster?

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>>64669414
Using a children's TV show as a method of infection is fucking brilliant.

>What we know of Inquisitor Rickard "The Robbin" Greyson (deceased)

Adopted by Inquisitor Wayne after the death of his family during the Night of Bones incident of 998M40. Officially taken on as an apprentice in 001M41.

Received the rank of full Inquisotor in 022M41.

Known associates:
The Warlock Koriand'r of craftworld Mymeara

Rachel Roth (deceased) of Kiavahr, unsanctioned psyker.

Spear-in-the-Field M. Logan "beastboy" (deceased) of Dheneb.

Viktor the Rock (deceased). Skitarii.

>>64665060
>>64669112
Another another way to make the quest more "grim" is to put the party in a situation where they can't save everyone and have to make a choice. Like a planet being invaded by Orks and you can either save one city or another, but you can't save both, and both choices have negative (but different) consequences. And because this isn't vanilla and human life actually means something, that means the loss of it actually hurts instead of going "welp, lets ship in another billion from the nearest hive world". Especially if you make them attached to the planet beforehand.

Or having to deal with the fallout of another event that they had no hand in but had to deal with, like the Rogue Trader's War. You have two sides that have good reasons for being the way they are and just want to live, the people in the Surat sector think the Imperium tried to kill them and the surrounding sectors think the people in the Surat sector are a bunch of madmen. Both sides are full of good people only acting in self defense but because of one asshole the two are in a fight to the death.

Or possibly an authority figure who has "good" intention but doesn't care how they are achieved. Like someone willing to send a kill team to their deaths because it will save a planet (and not tell them), or start a false flag operation to ignite a rebellion years early and result in a better outcome than if it escalated to the point where the Sororitas or worse the Astartes would have to be brought in.

>>64666770
This too. Not all fights are winnable, especially against Chaos (whether wild hunt, man without a country, or beings from the id flavored), the Star Empire, tyranids, the bellicose mushrooms, or even minor threats. Sometimes they are just survivable. And just because it's nobledark doesn't mean people don't do bad things.

>>64674974
An RT war sounds good. What could cause an internal Mega-Corp™ civil war?

>>64676386
Chaos infiltration

it amounts to the greatest daemon hunter/occultist cyberpunk contrast possible? Are the punks the imperium backed internal reformers or the chaos decadents of the corp?

>>64676386
Disagreements in company direction or a group trying to be the new CEO. Thinking about it a Mega-corp controlled planet must be cyberpunk on steriods

>>64677563
Punks would be private citizens who have taken it upon themselves to hunt the deamons.

>>64674485
Oh God it's so cute it's almost painful.

>>64666770
Is that what the Blood Pact look like? Because if yes it looks good.

>>64681297
Looks like a Krieger with extra grimdark to me.

>>64674974
>Rogue Trader's War.
What's this? First time I'm hearing about it.

>>64681859
That would be a Terranius Krieger, regular Kriegers hate eldar and all xenos. As there were no eldar (or there was a negligible population) on Terranius it's unlikely that he can understand what she is saying.

>>64674468
There were three versions of event surrounding Inquisitor Greyson. First was the extremely popular series that was based on the old Inquisition reports when many of them were deemed safe for public reading. It was darker than many kids cartoons on the world it was first shown on and due to good writing and good acting became immensely popular across more than it's target demographic despite (or possibly because) of the vocal concerns of Concerned Parents and other self appointed guardians of morality. The show ran for many years and came to a satisfying ending that showed them all riding off into the sunset. There were spin off series' and films.

Second was the GRIM and GRITTY reboot that was EDGY and full of GORE and SWEARING and low level nudity and drinking and drugs and it was incredibly SERIOUS and promoted itself as being closer to the original reports. Was it? Sometimes but not massively more so. It ran for a few seasons and then stopped unceremoniously when people got sick of it never lightening the fuck up.

And then there were the actual reports that were made public. They could be described as an exercise in watching a group of friends get the shit kicked out of them for centuries. The eldar warlock with the really green eyes was the only survivor. True most if not all of the others would be dead or nearly so by now even with the best rejuvenants but they new got the opportunity to get old. If you go to the less friendly end of the Mymeara dockyards there is a drinking establishment frequented by old eldar mariners who just want to get drunk and forget for a few hours. Behind the bar is an eldar woman with red hair and green eyes. You can ask her about Greyson and maybe she'll break your jaw and throw you into the street or maybe she'll tell you about the old days, it's hard to say.

>>64674485
Is there moar like this?

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>>64684423
yes, it's a whole thing

>>64679063
Unsanctioned, unregistered, unofficial deamon hunters in the underhives of cyber-punk, mega-corp Hell could be a lot of fun.

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>>64681297
tends to be how I picture them. Chaos gone as tacticool as possible.

I think we should expand on Gathrog and Dregurk, the ork empires past the Eye. The first worships Khorne, get and need to be empowered by him because they're cut off from much of the Whaagh that would make their tech functional, the second is the oldest and most entrenched Gorkamorka worshiping ork empire in the galaxy, set on the far side of the Eye from the Imperium and backing Ghazghkull.

>>64687046
Do the Khorne Orks still worship Gork and Mork?

>>64686954
They are also the only Chaos Army with the internal integrity to enforce even a minimal dress code.

>>64690316
more, they produce their own arms, from guns to tanks to starships.

>>64688183
>Do the Khorne Orks still worship Gork and Mork?
The whole point of Khornate Orks is that their worship of their true gods is gone, replaced by Khorne who can only handle the brutality and not the kunnin'ness.
They're just not orky.

>>64691217
Gathrog is the also Blood Pact's neighbor, which the Imperium can never muster the means to effectively assail since its even further around the Eye. The Blood Pact and Doombreed provide them weaponry since they're more Lootas than Meks due to shitty Whaaagh connection, and flee into Gathrog territory when the Imperium comes and topples the Blood Pact for the nth time. In this way, there's nearly eight thousand years of second hand Blood Pact material in the Gathrog sector, tons of secret installations and bloodpact holdout colonies, and due to mutual Khorne worship they ironically get on pretty well with the local Orks. BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY is an unironic meme in the Gathrog and the Blood Pact.
In the recent era, the Blood Pact's other neighbor is the Severan Dominate, and they're doing their best Khornate impression of diplomacy to pull them into the Bronze Bloc next to the Eye.

Another benefit of Gathrog is that Khornate Crones like the Scions can avoid the Cadian gate by exiting the Eye into Gathrog territory and organizing their fleets when they arrive in realspace at their leisure with the benefit of masses of dedicated Chaos Orks eager to crusade running the area instead of Imperial navy assets. The only benefit from an Imperial standpoint is that any force assembled this way is very far from them and will probably go fight Dregurk.

>>64691746
Dregurk on the other hand is essentially the arguable best expression of actual Ork 'society' or 'culture', and its essentially the land of Attack Moons by the dark millenium. Dregurk could stand against Black Crusades alike to Cadia and Shield World networks if the gate happened to stand on the other side of the Eye, and while the Imperium has some idea of its capabilities they've never been able to properly reconnoiter them, let alone fought them. Whether Dregurk has signed up with Ghazkuhl's cause or if Tharka is more actually Dregurk's proxy in galactic affairs is unclear, and the Imperium might not even know they're connected. In any case, most of Dregurk's fighting is against their hated neighbors the Gathrog, the Crones that try to topple or subvert them, and minor peoples of the galaxy's edge that the empire raids for resources, as well as providing support to the Gorkamorka's faithful in Octarius, Charadon, and Bork against Imperium, Necron, and Tyranid.

Are Segmentum designations still a thing?

>>64693513
yes

Sarpedon during the Age of Apostasy.
>Meanwhile Ferrus Manus decides to take the initiative and is seen sending a whole lot of Mechanicus ships to a nowhere world called Sarpedon. Sarpedon is a nowhere world on the fringes of the galaxy, it’s habitable and might become a Forge World one day, but at the moment it is little more than a research station and most of the planet is still wilderness. Vandire's people ask what's going on there. Ferrus responds it's a top secret AdMech research site so piss off, though not in so many words. He even tells the Steward this when he asks him, until the war is over.

>Turns out Ferrus had been smuggling dissidents and likely targets of Vandire’s purges out of major population centers through places like Orioc and Forge Worlds for years and hiding them on Sarpedon, because it was the best place to hide people who can’t survive in a Mechanicus factorum. No one fucks with the AdMech or messes around in their cities unless you have Oscar-grade brass balls. AdMech have more freedom to do what they want within their own walls than any other group in the Imperium, so it was easy to smuggle people out without questions being asked. If Ferrus had told the Steward what was hiding there he would have endangered the refugees’ lives because he would have insisted on sending more forces to protect them (and thus blow their cover), so it had to wait until the war was over. When Ferrus was asked about why he did it he said they were all productive individuals whose actions benefitted the Imperium, and Vandire was being illogical because their loss would decrease Imperial efficiency, as if such an answer was self-evident.

In light of us developing Vandire's credentials as the Imperial master of shadow wars and Administratum Adept extraordinaire, Ferrus Mannus's big political move of the Civil War seems like it could be one of the greatest events of that era.

>>64694343
For Vandire, on top of the civil war, his paranoia, and everything else about actually running the imperium, his purges were being actively resisted and thwarted by the second (first) most powerful figure in the Mechanicus. Whatever fears of inadequacy to Oscar that Vandire might have felt, while fighting Thror, he was also fighting a covert war with a multiple millennium old posthuman priest-general of the most powerful force of Skitarii in the Imperium. To maintain the peace and neutrality with the Mechanicus in the Civil War the first Emperor would have had to keep the entire conflict with the Iron Hands totally secret, as would Ferrus, and with one a Primarch and the Other Emperor they were essentially politically unassailable to each other, and Ferrus was still spry enough to swing his neutronium hammer and knock lare parts of hive cities into orbit. He was seemingly way out in the sticks for most of the civil war much like Magnus being preoccupied with Doombreed's last pass as him, but in actuality the Iron Hands were busily doing humanitarian work. This itself is extra hilarious in light of how we described them last thread as horrific walking WMDs.

>representative of an unimportant Eldar enclave in a hivecity starts off being poncey to the Rogue Trader Conglomerate's trade negotiator
>when it comes down to it, he can't really hide that he's just kinda insulted and mostly disappointed, he thought this was a matter of high station and romanticism
>he expected a silver tongued seneschal to descend with colorful and exotic retinue in tow, or at least someone of notable extraction, from some famed early crusade Imperial world or Survivor Civilization, flanked by dangerous guards form who knows where
>not the local stellar shipping concern's prim gray suited, no-frills, all-business representative arriving in a surplus PDF shuttle, presumably from a no-name Administrated transitional-hiveworld much like his own home planet
>later over shared glasses of local amsec, the enclave representative's, the trade negotiator expresses that it disappoints him too, least as a business
>he'd gone to employment with the Rogue Trader house looking for the same romantic life of myth and film, only to see it was in part a fully bygone age even on the frontiers, and where it wasn't, he had no stomach for its callous realities
>but he gets to see new worlds, new stars, try the different different wares, foods, customs, cultural products and styles
>he's had the chance to see the whole sector he was born into, meet the peoples of the Imperium, sell them the wares of the last place he stopped, and do the deals of the House as even handedly as he may as he went
>When he is gone, the enclave's representative has some doubts that the deal with the Rogue Trader House is quite so good as all that, but the deal on his crate of imported amsec certainly was

>>64694582
Didn't get to say this last thread, but the idea of the highest-end Iron Hands being basically grimdark...I mean nobledark transformers is hilarious and rather fitting given 40k's 80's roots.

>>64695200
I never really thought of Rogue Trading being like the American Wild West or the "golden age of piracy" until you pointed this out. People going out in search of opportunity only for the "frontier" to become closed off and more existing as a myth of itself than anything else.

>>64692611
Dregruk might be even more of a prime example of Ork kultur because it's being beset by Gathrog, the Crones, the Imperium, and whoever else is in the neighborhood. The constant strife making them stronger. Ironically despite the fact that Gathrog is as un-orky as you can get, it's conflict with Dregruk is fuelling the latter's orkiness.

>>64691217
One thing that's even been mentioned is saying you put the BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY above Gork and Mork is when you cross the line from being "tolerated" to "krumped boy walkin'".

>>64690316
Q'Sar might be the Tzeentchian equivalent of "semi-organized". Heck, in this timeline they might control the Screaming Vortex through soft power.

>>64681659
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nobledark_Imperium_Drafts#The_Rogue_Trader.27s_War

>>64698242
I enjoy the idea of rogue traders being the imperium version cowboys and desperados immensely

>>64698242
look at what the bad side of their reality is too, its an interesting contrast. At some level we've just created a sort of historical tonal verisimilitude with 'nobledark', things are hard but people mean well, and when they're bad its because they wanted something, not just chaos. Good rogue traders are good, bad rogue traders are bad, and none are quite like the stories.

>>64698805
sorry, meant to link>>64698242 and point to the rogue trader's war in this >>64698907

>>64695200
>>64698242
Uh, end of the frontier? I think you are guys are underestimating how ridiculously goddamn big the galaxy is. At a conservative estimate, the Milky Way has 100 billion stars and at least an equivalent amount of planets. Even if only 0.1% of those planets are habitable, that's still 100 million planets, and the Imperium only has roughly 1 million. This is the equivalent of humans living in little clusters around the world that add up to just under the size of Iran, so there's still a LOT of unexplored space out there.

The reason that more expansion doesn't happen is that it's almost suicidal. Going outside the established Warp routes is insanely dangerous and likely to end up with your ship being torn apart by a warp storm. Even if you make it to your destination, you better hope that there's no hostile xenos on the other side or you didn't drift off course in the Warp and find yourselves quadrillions of miles away from the nearest planet. We're basing naval life in this AU roughly on the Age of Sail, so take all the terrible hurricanes and hostile natives that historical explorers faced and crank those up to 11, then expand the size of the ocean by like a billion times, and you have a pretty good idea of why new expeditions or crusades don't happen too often in the Imperium.

>>64694582
They're precision DMDs. For when you want something between a tank and a nuke but can still.think and operate door handles.

The name Interex implies that they had a king and are waiting for a new one to turn up at some point in the future. This could be due to their garbled history. They saw the Dominion as a singular nation because they had to flash all the hard drives and they had very few actual written records. Once the whole thing faded from living memory it got hazy. They believed that the Dominion had a king, a righteous and just king deep in wisdom and slow to anger, and that he fell with no designated or worthy heir when his court of Iron Mind administrators went batshit crazy and killed everyone.

They wait for a new king, a singular entity of utter perfection worthy or leading not only themselves but all sensible thinking beings. When Oscar came to meet them they were a little concerned that he was going to try and claim the title as many marauders and barbarians had. He didn't, he was also waiting for someone worthy to arise and take the reigns of humanity, he was just keeping their chair warm for them.

They never accepted Vandire as the Promised King. At first because the Interex doesn't do anything fast and later because he was fucking batshit crazy.

As of 999M41 they still wait. It is doubtful they will see the Impossible Child as their Promised King. Their wait will be eternal.

>>64686521
Given the absolute state of the underhives it's all too believable. It's believable that whole armies have tried to invade in the past in barely register shadow civil wars and just vanished.

>>64696778
Do they fug?

>>64702611
I imagine that they would be unchanged or kind of on the Imperium's side. They don't care about conquest and see war as a grand sporting event + art display. The Imperium might be able to gain their alliance or at least cooperation if they can entice them to help in the name of spectacle and fun.

Basically they have to make a good show of it, make it so that is can be framed as glorious warriors fighting against dastardly foes, something to make story of, make it colourful and exciting and let them have centre stage.

>>64686954
Do they have any particular ceremonies or rituals of interest?

>>64703811
Besides constantly working to rebuild their tin-pot space dictatorship, summon their dear leader and his chosen few generals and experts from the previous Blood Pact back from the warp? Once that is done they usually reestablish the worship of THE BLOOD KING OF THE GALAXY, presided over by Doombreed in a capacity much like his role as despot of Ursh.

>>64704547
I meant is their an initiation ceremony upon birth or age of majority? Do the Blood Pact adherents have marriage?

Also does Doombreed still hold that the Urshi bloodline is still the human master race or has he given up on that?

>>64699927
>>64698805
>>64698242
It's worth noting that one thing we've discussed previously is that while the theme for the Imperium as a whole is that of the Classical, with the focus being on the main players (a 'la the nations of Europe), the edge of the galaxy with Ultramar and the Tau is more in line with the Age of Discovery, with lots of minor players and fluid dynamics between them, innovations based on new discoveries, and building tensions with the "old world" that may, in coming centuries, lead to revolutions. Of course this also means that piracy runs rampant, splinter factions are a constant thorn, and there's always the looming Tyranid threat, so it's not like the eastern side of the galaxy is 'better,' just that their dynamic is different from the other side of the galaxy, where the main players are the Imperium and Eldar, with minor footnotes for the other "nations" of the area.

>>64705096
The western galaxy seems more thematically focused on the civilizational contrasts and struggles of the Imperium and Crones, representing different sides of civilization in a contrast between enlightened monarchy and mad absolutism, liberty versus libertinage, civil order versus grinding domination, etc. where the Imperium becomes the ideal version of an empire and the Old Empire represents the worst excesses, and their ultimate correspondence needs to be reconciled. The Orks are also a present factor, their part as the discounted and exploited but also pretty barbaric and brutal barbarians to both empires has tons of thematic potential as they work to make their own rise.

>>64704754
>>64704754
Urshi blood was never genocided but by now would be mingled and muddied.

>>64706915
Not beyond the recalcitrant Urshi aristocrats, but then the Deapot was already dead and Blood Pact in name is an explicit reference to the deal with Khorne that Doombreed made after his execution. The original Blood Pact’a subjects were far removed from those of Ursh, and whether they were Doombreed’s subjugants or another gift from Khorne is lost to history.

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>>64707436
Rogue Trader bump

>>64708806
I think that is the Severan Dominate. They are making deals with several Dark Eldar Cabals. They aren't clever like that.

>>64708911
they're also considering making deals with the Blood Pact's 17th (give or take) iteration for arms and military aid if the Imperium comes down on them, and Gathrog is managing to mind its manners as best Khornates can, but even Severan isn't so much a fool to take that deal when not under duress.

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>>64708911
Would the Severan Dominate try to make homegrown astartes with local transhuman tech? I imagine their results are Thunderwarrior level at maximum, usually much less successful.

'E NEED MOAR OF EM SHINY GREEN ORK CHAOS 'OYS!

>>64709160
Distinctly possible that they would try, home growing super soldiers isn't actually illegal in the Imperium in any case. Savlar have the gland-warriors for example and every chapter after the Breaking of the Legions has been home grown even if it was from per-existing templates.

They must have a sustainable number of AdMech on their side or their tech would have fallen apart already even if it's a lot of outcast orders and disgraced adepts disgraced and cast out probably for good reasons if they are serving willingly with the Dominate. It's not unreasonable to assume that they have a few cybernetacists and if they have some AdMech then they probably have at least a few AdBio. AdBio are a bit "eccentric" at the best of times and have far less internal oversight compared to their cousins on Mars. They will have some degree of genetic manipulation technology.

If they don't have them now they will eventually, assuming that they survive. The one thing saving the Dominate's bacon is that the Imperium can't spare the resources to bring the boot down. Should that ever change an example will be made. There is a chapter specially trained in "making an example" or foolish leaders.

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>>64702958
I like the idea that it's like the Sane Saruthi and the Jokaero. You can do and say certain things that seem to get them to react or behave in certain ways that may be similar to those sorts of ways that a human would act or react if they were feeling a particular emotion or had reached a predictable conclusion but sometimes they just seem to go fucking bonkers and so things that make no sense from our perspective or constructed models of what we think they should be thinking. Pyschic scans even by the most skilled and experienced at reading alien minds can't make sense of it so it's not like you can build up a list of "things that cause certain thought patters" or anything. They should not be able to make a functioning society or civilization with such a broken grasp of cause and effect, but they absolutely have on the interstellar scale that is technologically advanced and operates with seemingly great efficiency, nobody is sure how.

There is one theory that they are a hive mind and it's taking the piss.

So for those who saw Battle Angel Alita, pre-berserker body Alita is how I imagine the SoB in their power armor.

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>>64711592
I'll see it when it gets to DVD.

>>64704754
I'm trying to imagine a Blood Pact marriage ceremony and it's just not happening.

>>64711788
it would be some heavily ritualized version of the scene in starship troopers where the protagonist gets permission form his superior officer to desire his fellow soldier. Khorne might heavily regulate romance through Doombreed to make sure Slaaneshi influence doesn't slip in. Marriages are arranged to promote bloody-mindedness, not love or sexual fulfilment.

>>64713493
So a eugenics program of sorts

>>64713573
if "eu-" means angry instead of good, yes.

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>>64681859
I'll post the rest

>>64709499
How old is the Dominate by 999M41?

>>64714179
>Wait, you mean it doesn't?
- Khorne, probably

>>64699927
It's less there's less of a frontier, and more all of the low-hanging fruit have been taken. In the old days Rogue Traders had a monopoly on international trade, which meant they were the only ones allowed to make money off of the tarellians, tau, thexians, and the like. Now all of those species have been let in and what was once the Rogue Trader's sole prerogative is being eaten up by species joining the Imperium and the ones left being orks, Necrons, and the like. So a lot of them decide it's more profitable to re-invest their ludicrous profits within the Imperium than take a non-profitable risk. Or at the very least give it as little funding as possible while still making it seem like you are fulfilling your writ of trade.

A lot are still going out there (you're right in that the galaxy is massive and a lot is unexplored), but they aren't finding El Dorados as often. It's a shifting baseline thing.

>>64704754
>>64706915
It was suggested that he had to abandon that route out of pragmatism. Now he's into creating a new ruling class wholecloth by genehancing those he deems "worthy".

>>64709499
I thought Savlar had the Rainbow Warriors?

>>64711094
I think it was suggested they were Xenos Independens. They're too much of a "DRAMA BOMB" to be consistent. They'll do the stupidest things imaginable "because it's cool" or because it fits some story trope.

>>64711788
>Blood Pact Marriage
Are we talking about Dark Souls III "stab the betrothed in the face" type of wedding?

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>>64715833
Thrrians probably do evil monologues and power ranger poses before fighting which also lends themselves to be the goofy cartoon villains in various media in the Segmentum

>>64716410
They also tend to be underestimated which leads to death of many guards to the hands of more maniac thrryians

>>64699927
>Not realising the "million worlds" is just a catchphrase and is not actually a statement on the number of planets in the Imperium.

Fucking hell.

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>>64715833
>I thought Savlar had the Rainbow Warriors?
Savlar had whatever heavy weapons the Savlar Brotherhood thinks up between batches of neutronium and drugs

>>64717075
>trying to explain "more worlds than you can practically count to, just grant that its a fucking lot" to so many feudal worlders you resign yourself to "a million" and let them find out that you undersold it
>they can complain to the administratum governor that gets assigned, and really, the Tau still aren't grasping it and they're apparently ingenious

>>64716410
>shows up to join the crusade claiming to want adventure
>go from battlefront to battlefront yelling, shooting colorful and somewhat destructive rayguns, and bothering the officers
>run away when the crusade is wrapping up for good or ill because they're playing "mercurial allies"

>>but you didn't do anything

>>64717075
>missing the forest for the trees this hard
Fucking hell

Yeah it’s a non-literal description but it’s the closest thing we have to even a vague estimate from GW, and it serves just fine to make my point that the Imperium is but a small rock in the ocean that is the Milky Way.

>>64715833
I'd forgotten about the Rainbow Warriors. They seem pretty cool and FABULOUS!

>>64718980
[desire_to_know_more_intensifies]

>>64719455
Nominally of Dornian stock in that they were from a siege defence specialist chapter. Not Perty because Perty always considered the thing being guarded to be an acceptable loss if the price was right and in terms of Savlar and the last Neutronium Forge the price will never be right. They started out as a prim and proper chapter as any but as they used the local population as recruitment stock they went native.

Start out with their old yellow/blue armour but for every major victory or impressive deed done they repaint a section of it another colour. The really old veterans look absolutely fabulous in their clashing mix match of colours, bright and vibrant. You see one marching in armour that looks like a pride parade you do not laugh, that mad bastard has a body count usually associated with small pox outbreaks.

They are known for their brutality on the field and favour close combat above all. They do not take prisoners and any soldiers surrendering to them are cut down unless they are explicitly ordered otherwise by a commanding officer. They will try and avoid non-combatants but will also slaughter civilian populations if they are sure they are harbouring enemy soldiers. This sort of attitude has won them few friends but unlike the Marines Malevolent they do have standards that they won't break, they wouldn't bomb a refugee convoy to kill orkish attackers for example. They are also protectors of the last Neutronium Forge and that gets them a lot of leniency.

Whatever religion they followed when they arrived has been replaced by the worship of the Savlar Small Gods, each Chaplain typically has a favourite one and a pantheon of lesser ones that they offer prayers to for variety or boredom. To an extent this dictates company composition as most Battle Brothers like being near a priest who they share a favourite god with even if their favoured god is a lesser part of another priest's pantheon.

>>64719908
Despite being tied to The Forge they have seen war across most of the nearby sectors as pre-emptively destroying threats before they land on your doorstep is something that they really like doing, also it keeps their skills sharp.

>>64717592
The trick is getting them to play a different role.

Speculation abounds that they were influenced by Ceggers some time in their development much as the Demiurg were by Vaal. No official comment by Cegger has been made.

>>64720766
I like this as in-universe speculation, as well as speculation that the Thyrrus are the way they are just because, and any attempt to tie it to the Eldar is reaching at best, a tired attempt to revive tired Eldar Conspiracy™ theories at worst.

>>64721288
>Eldar Conspiracy™

Don't you mean the Galactic. Eldar. Conspiracy™.

>>64720766
If Ceggers ever did own up to it it would probably be something along the lines of "I don't always think these things through and it seemed like a good idea at the time".

>>64702255
No, not yet anyway.

>>64719908
I like the idea that the Chaplains are bringing their gods to the galaxy. They're not doing missionary work or anything, it's just that their gods don't get out much and it's good for them.

>>64690986
Do they have their own adepts or do they hire Dark Mechanicus?

>>64721625
>Why does the planteary goverment get so much aid from biel-tan?

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>>64726997
For favours repaid and the demands of honour and bloodprice.

>>64726997
>>64726997
Because (((they))) like to protect their assets. Just look at how many planetary and higher leaders have a farseer whispering into their ear.

>>64691217
There must be some that worship the Gork, Mork and Khorne as the Triumvirate of Krump.

>>64729917
>be farseer
>be assigned to planetary governor
>get tired of people constantly asking for advice
>fuck it, time to be a dick
>convince the racists I’m part of a conspiracy
>less people come to me for advice
>finally I can take a vacation

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What are machine spirits exactly in this AU?

>>64733025
Machine spirits are still a thing but now people thinks there's machine spirits are in all imperial technology including xenos which irks the mechanicus

>>64726997
This was actually one of the arguments that groups like the Severan Dominate make. They claim Cadia and other such fortress worlds represent Imperial special interest groups, and the Imperium keeps the tithe high and sends it to "Cadia" where it either goes to fund pet projects or goes right into the government's personal pockets. Or arguing that Cadia gets special treatment because of Ulthwe. After all, they fight off Chaos invasions (Blood Pact or local Chaos flavor), orks, Necrons (usually some literally who locals), and hostile xenos, and you don't see them asking for more money. Cadia sees a lot of war, true, but it can't be that bad...they say.

>>64733025
They seem to exist, but no one can really tell if they are kitbashed A.I., animist spirits, rudimentary intelligence from neuron chips, or all of the above at once. The AdMech are probably lumping things together as well as some machine spirits are straight up A.I. (the Ark Mechanici, technically titans).

To the AdMech, one of the key differences between machine spirits and silica animus is intent. A.I. obviously always seeks to violently overthrow organic life, so the fact that the entities in Imperial technology don't is "proof" they are not abominable inteligence (that is, up to a point). Checkmate, hereteks.

And this. >>64733884 IIRC the surviving Tau A.I. who sided with the Tau got declared machine spirits by the AdMech, both because it fits into their worldview ("okay why didn't THESE A.I. turn homicidal") and because it keeps young tech-adepts from trying to poke at them and either set them on the path to tech-heresy or start an international incident.

And if ork teknology has orky machine spirits, that...explains a lot, actually.

Bump

>>64736555
I can easily picture this sort of thing being a problem with Rogue Trader organizations

>>64722820
The thing is that Ceggers does always think these things through, it takes a lot or care to get results and still look that careless.

>>64733988
how is the duke receiving the Blood Pact's overtures?

>>64739007
Probably depends on how they are trying to sell it and how well behaved the ambassador and his team from the Blood Pact behave. We do know that they are capable of cunning even if they prefer brute force for fun. Duke Severus, whilst not as clever as he or his sycophantic court of yes men say he is, isn't an idiot.

They would claim that their name means that it's a pact founded by all like minded humans bound by their common blood but have permitted xenos of a similar cause to join based on mutual understanding.

They are descendants of a persecuted nation of humans that the Man of Gold cast out from Old Earth when he was on his rise to power and they settled far away stars. Now the Tyrant of Earth is trying to enslave them and bleed them dry, just like he was doing to the Dominate. Because they once again refused to roll over and die quietly he has declared war on them.

Their armies are vast and disciplined, their legions well equipped and supplied. Their worlds work efficiently and are ordered and productive. Does this sound like Chaos to you? No, their favored deity has some superficial resemblance to another entity and so the Imperium has used this as a cause to whip up a zealous crusade against them.

And so on.

>>64733884
Tech support must be a fun job. It's probably the job the OMB adepts give to the lesser orders and adepts who have been annoying them.

still feel like we need moar big tiddy space nuns

>>64741493
Not everything revolves around busty space nuns. It's a sad truth.

Bu

>>64733988
It could also be that the Tau haven't told the AdMech about the A.II that were permitted to survive.

>>64716410
Can they be paid in disco balls.

Was Ornsworld the only Ratling planet?

>>64747452
Nope, but it was home. Imagine the scouring of the Shire, but much worse and on a planetary scale, and then entire populations of hardy traveled ratlings returning home and descending in fury.

>>64740837
The admech equivalent of tech support probably helps maintain city generators or help newly found primitive worlds learn about the wonder of technology and why the admech is the only person suited for handling technology and one else that claims to claims know how technology works is an idiot and should be hung from a tree

>>64748001
I can't imagine that there are that many technological backwards worlds left by 999M41. If the Imperium has been actively hunting them and the AdMech have been uplifting them and the ones they miss get orked then it's like with the RTs, everyone beyond the border (with the eternal exception of Prester John) hasn't survived.

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Space-anon here, with a long-overdue update to the Battle over Telis.

Also, as "Manifest Ecstasy" was deemed a name better suited for Malys' flagship, I've renamed the Crone vessel that originally went by that name "Terror Apparent," as an attempted play on the phrase "heir apparent." I'll go through the document on the wiki and change the name wherever needed too. After I post the update, I'll probably want to clear my chest a bit on something that's been stewing for a while; namely, the in-universe ramifications for why this spacebattle is considered notable, despite the relatively small number of vessels involved.

But for now, let's get to this new (and probably shorter-than-it-seems-right-now) update!

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>>64750442
"Stalwart Companion" successfully flanks "Despair Horizon" and engages with her port weaponry, while her starboard weaponry provides supporting fire against "Illicit Acquisition" and "Terror Apparent." Unable to support her sister ship without leaving her stern exposed to the Imperial vessel's broadsides, "Despair Horizon" comes about to bring her own weapons to bear.

The 4th Chanathian Wolf-pack become targeted by the "Illicit Acquisition" and "Terror Apparent" and break off, spreading out and taking evasive maneuvers. "Terror Apparent" fires her full compliment against the escort vessels; "Formal Complaint" is hit multiple times, including a direct hit to her stern that renders her unable to maneuver. Voidshield breaches are suffered on the "For You" and "Ineffable Distain," with several damaging hits reported on both vessels. "Illicit Acquisition" focuses her long-range batteries on the vessels damaged by "Terror Apparent." Unable to maneuver or adjust course, "Formal Complaint" suffers multiple direct hits to critical systems and is rendered combat-ineffective, and sounds a general call to abandon ship. The remain vessels of the Wolf-pack maintain dedicated evasive maneuvers, making for the asteroid fields and mining platforms of Orbiting Body 3M.

>>64750442
Those are excellent names, really gets the right mix of bravado and contempt.

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>>64750464
“Inflexible” sets intercept course against “Enduring Conviction” and engages engines at full power, engaging boosts powered by Warp Rituals. Sustained bombardment from Imperial vessels and strikecraft continue to pound the vessel, yet are unable to force her to divert course.

“Replendent Piety” fires her main gun against “Inflexible” aiming for the breach in her armor created by the “No You.” Successful hit, with penetration confirmed, striking deep within the vessel and scoring a direct hit to the engine systems. (Conflicting reports on whether this is the extent of the damage dealt, or whether round bounces off armor plating on opposite side of vessel to deal further damage; conclusive reports that this is not the lethal shot reported in public documentaries.) Damage to engine systems is severe, resulting in catastrophic cascade failures as engine systems rupture, resulting in a warp-amplified explosion within “Inflexible’s” stern. Explosion destroys her command center, and “Inflexible” loses thrust, failing to sustain sufficient acceleration for ramming or maneuvering. Weapon systems remain functional and continue to fire on Imperial vessels, though coordination and targeting are notably disrupted.

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>>64750598
Slowed and under sustained fire, “Inflexible” continues to burn from fires set by melta torpedoes. Shortly after the loss of her engines, one fire is observed reaching her magazine storage. Damage sustained throughout the battle and loss of command to coordinate countermeasures lead the resulting explosion to set off a cascade event.

“Inflexible” is wracked by internal explosions, her gun mounts spouting gouts of flame and debris. Her armor framework remains whole, focusing the explosive energy back inward and compounding the damage, her internal structures shattered and mulched. One final explosion sends her hull reeling as her main power supply ruptures, then “Inflexible” falls silent. Scans reveal her armor and framework still intact, but all systems dark. (First recorded instance of a Murder-class Cruiser being destroyed by means other than sustained fire from multiple cruisers, larger warships, or boarding actions.)

Upon her sister’s death, “Despair Horizon” disengages from “Stalwart Companion” and turns toward the Orbital Tether and engages engine boosts.

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>>64750673
>end update
As I thought, this is a shorter update than it looked when I wrote it up in Doc. However, I'm glad to have finally gotten to the Imperium's climax in this battle that dragged on longer than I thought it would. Now it's the "falling action"- and boy do they have a ways to fall.

For the death of the Inflexible, I haven't found an image that accurately shows what I'm trying to portray, but we've established that the Murder-class bear visual resemblance to the early Ironclads of the Civil War, only spaceships and spiky because Chaos. Now imagine one of those blowing up, only the armor is so tough that it remains mostly intact, and all that explosive energy gets channeled back inward, then out through any holes it can find- typically gunports, docking stations, and damage already sustained from enemy fire.

And yes, the Xenos Escort-class ship basically scored a critical hit on their engine, followed by some very bad critical failures on their attempts to contain the fires. Combined with the fact she's been getting focused this entire battle, and even the vaunted Murder-class just couldn't keep going.

Also an example of both the advantage of this particular xenos weapon design, and also why it hasn't been adopted by the Imperium or anyone else despite the fact it's well within their power; by making a ship that's essentially a MAC-gun with a ship built around it, they can do a lot of HP damage and have a high chance of critical hits against internal systems. The problem is a slow reload that makes it unable to strip voidshields, and a very inefficient trade against ship armor that is basically designed to shrug off kinetic hits. In other words, potential damage is high, but Armor-piercing and Voidshield damage are abysmal- and guess what most dedicated warships in 40k come equipped with?

>>64750860
Thank you, I need to start reading all this again from the start and it's so fun to read.

>>64715833
>Are we talking about Dark Souls III "stab the betrothed in the face" type of wedding?
Probably not. Usually. Creating more troopers and other worshippers would be considered a good idea by Khorne. Setting out to just butcher everyone would result in running out of worshippers within a few years, and the Blood Pact have lasted far longer than that.
It might be pretty brutal though. Winnowing down the suitors in a district (for some length of time?) through trial by combat, with the winner getting all the breeding rights; that could work (comparing with how prides of lions are).

>>64751397
Glad you like it! I do admit that it's kind of inconvenient when it keeps getting spaced out like this, but I can't exactly magic up more time to write. I can, however, discuss some "meta" knowledge that's influenced this whole project. It's stuff that wouldn't really fit for mentioning in the actual story, since it either wouldn't make sense to bring up or isn't within the knowledge of the ones writing the report, but that I've hinted at throughout the engagement.

First, the guy in charge of the Chaos fleet, and the affect his temperament has had on this whole engagement. Consider his fleet composition- one Crone ship, and four human-Chaos ships, two of which are the coveted Murder-Class. While it's not uncommon for the Crones to bring humans along as meat-shields, such a great disparity of force composition is unusual. It's also important to consider that Luther is extremely protective and jealous when it comes to both production and usage of the Murder-class, since it's producers are one of the only reliable sources of ships he has that aren't Eldar and thus untrustworthy. Then there is how he has behaved throughout the battle; intentionally slowing to avoid leading the charge, turning to engage a much smaller force that arrived in-system despite having the heaviest-hitting vessel there, repeatedly targeting vulnerable vessels instead of the heavy hitters... And finally, there is a number of rookie mistakes made in the handling of his vessel, such as the failure to furl solar-sails when a Nova cannon shot scored a near-direct hit, sending his ship spinning and causing more damage than such a shot should have caused.

>>64752429
Put simply, the guy in charge of the Chaos fleet is a puppet-master who acts through proxies. The fact he's relying on humans rather than lesser Crones implies his powerbase isn't that big among Crone society, and thus his attack on such an important target implies ambition to grow his powerbase and importance, finding personal success over the backs of the humans who owe him debts.
Of course, a consequence of his comparatively small powerbase is that he's inexperienced when it comes to actual military engagements against forces capable of fighting back effectively, and very quick to fall back when it looks like he might be the one in the line of fire. This also means he's not as well-versed in how to respond to freak occurrences like a Nova Cannon shot going off at point-blank range- and the crew who might know better all got selected based on whether he could control them rather than whether they were the best for the job.

He's not incompetent- he did manage to twist the Fallen into lending him two of their ships for this- and even then, Imperial doctrine would have had such an outmatched Imperial fleet fall back and wait for reinforcements before engaging, which would have given him time to take out the Orbital Tether and be gone before a proper fighting force arrived. The whole thing would have been a crushing, unquestionable Chaos victory and a real feather in his cap- if not for the wrench in the gears that Rear-Admiral Sprague's stubbornness turned out to be.

Did the Sororitas stuff ever get uploaded to the wiki?

>>64750442
Someone hire this guy to make all the ship names.

>>64752361
I like the idea of them being set up like lion prides, which are notoriously inbred.

>>64757260
Presumably Ursh was much the same given the Last Despot's interest in racial purity.

>>64750860
Moar! Need moar!

>>64750442
You really have a knack for names.

>>64739527
Also the maggot men claiming undue persecution.

I'm going to try and do a brief elucidation of the ratlings when I get home, do they have any naming traditions? Also who was the leader at the time of the extermination?

>>64757841
It seems to be a thing he dropped in the name of getting more followers. Also the Urshi peasantry because Imperial citizens mostly under the Sino-Japanic Commonwealth and the Khanate so he might not remember his traitorous former countrymen fondly.

>>64726272
Dark Mechanicus I'd assume, Despot couldn't into tech in life and he probably can't in unlife.

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>>64762051
I swear I'm working on it, just need a bit moar tiem.

>>64739527
>>64760744
Duke Severus writer from the old thread here- I actually think these would work. While the Duke is certainly intelligent, he is most definitely flawed; the way I saw it, his weak spot was his ego. It was his ego that led him to believe the Imperium was weaker than it was, and it is by playing to his ego that the enemies of the Imperium can get him onto their side. Indulging his fantasies of playing saviour to the downtrodden would be an excellent way to garner his undivided (lol Chaos) support. Of course, some of his troops might think otherwise, which adds a little bit of both noble and darkness to a possible Dominate campaign- sure, you want to support your beloved Duke, but those dudes he's sending as reinforcements don't look all that right...

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>>64767657
And here it is.

https://pastebin.com/TrzB0vQ3

Not sure if it's good or bad or what. Please tell me if I've done it wrong.

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>>64768504
the one hive world in his dominion is deeply opposed, since they have a longer history fighting the blood pact than his house is old, but its easy for him to see them as entrenched Imperial tradition and institutional hatred. To Severus they're the very bastion of petty Imperial pomp and decadence, not a tiny provincial outpost with a handful of gossipy local bigwigs.

>>64770332
We should flesh out the Ork Kommando hive sniper incident. The idea of Orks, maybe at the direction of some pair of Brain Boyz, taking a shot at the Imperium's local VIPs behind the lines would absolutely terrify the Imperial nobility if not the whole government. The idea of Orks making good enough use of their telyporters to put a small group of Komandos in an upper hive spire and start sniping until taken out was a great and terrifying example.

>>64663397
>decide to finally look into what this nobledark stuff is exactly, always assumed it was some fan fiction where things started to look better in 40k
>The Emperor (formerly the Warlord, then the Steward) is a relic from the DAoT instead of a bunch of reincarnated Shamans; Malcador was the one who found him and the closest thing he had to a parent.
nevermind, total hack writing

>>64770475
>summary meant to compress major differences into bullet points is not epitome of poetry

>>64770415
They took out the Celestial Lions, genuinely this time.

bump

>>64770475
Oh man, you're gonna EXPLODE when you find out how the Primarchs are reinterpreted.

>>64773188
Dude, his dick is gonna fall off when he learns the Repentia aren’t here anymore.

>>64768797
I like it. Probably needs more of a mention of the ratling colonies. Also I think we had a bit with one of the prominent figure of Ornsworld coming home after the 12th Black Crusade (Andwise Bôphin or something?). Something like Ornsworlders don't generally go for high authority and Bôphin was waaaay down the line of sucession but everyone ahead of him was dead.

>>64770475
>>64770553
Yeah, the summary is kind of bare bones. It's one area that really needs fleshing out.

>>64775838
I'll amend it after work tonight.

>>64770415
We need Cain and his assistant. They've had experience dealing with this sort of thing before.

>>64773744
>he has to suffice with historical levels of weirdness, petty violence, and debauch instead
>looking at you, catholic church

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so any agreement on the Savlar Chem Dogs and Rainbow Warriors getting "unpredictable" war material?

>>64778136
Savlar doesn't produce anything beyond neutronium, drugs and soldiers. War gear would have to be purchased from passing traders or scavenged and it's pot luck what the traders have in stock.

>>64768797
Needs more on the nature of Ornsworld in the Imperium.

Are there any other places of interest in Sol not covered yet?

>>64778600
Also all the repairs and upgrades are going to be done by adepts more than likely slightly high, further compounded by Mars never sending anyone they care about within a lightyear of Savlar if at all possible. Savlar gets castoffs and dropouts at best and hereteks at worst.

Bumping for writefagging

>>64770332
This would be further complicated by there genuinely being loyalist Imperium cells, so his paranoia isn't totally unjustified.

Also his realm is at the moment probably the last place where Craftworlders and Dark Eldar can speak peacefully, though not politely. Not that it's free go for craftworlders, many craftworld have blacklisted the Dominate.

>>64752361
It might not be marriage as such. Buying slaves as breeding stock to assert dominance over.

>>64784427
I can see Kaelor trying its hand at politicking in the Dominate, trying to get some of that classical canon 40K Eldar manipulation going. Unfortunately, both the Crones and DEldar have had a lot more experience at this than the Craftworlders do...

>>64785933
They'd possibly try and set up their own Imperium, but how it was meant to be. They would be just behind the thrones of those at the top pulling the strings rather than any pretending that they were "equals" . Or they would try. They are present in the Dominate but are utterly outclassed by the Dark Eldar.

>>64785933
>>64786779
It's just occurred to me that Kaelor of all people might end up being the 'Tau' of this setting.- believing that they know all that there is to be known, yet oblivious to just how outclassed they are by the major players. The fact that it's a bunchy of Eldar who are the naive optimists is just hilarious to me.

>>64787040
That's because Kaelor spent thousands of years in the arse end of nowhere not talking to anyone trying to make their way home from the very ragged edge of the galactic periphery despite it probably being safer out there. They don't know shit about what's being going on until people sit them down and break out the historical text books with the helpful illustrations the Missionarus Galaxia usually reserves for uplift jobs.

They are eldar and are the most unchanged of the sane eldar from the Old Empire and have inherited their attitude of utter superiority that made them so many friends back in the day but not the muscle that made this a non-issue. They finally limp back into the galactic stage and expect to be the biggest dick in the shower room only to find that nobody gives a shit about them or very much about what they have to say. To make matters worse whats left of their pantheon is married to the barbarian king, couch surfing in the barbarian's house and sitting in the barbarian's comfy chair trying to recover from a bad fight.

They still think that they are the lords of all creation and should be at the top of the food chain. The rest of the galaxy mostly has to be reminded that they exist.

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most of the moons

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I was going to amend the ratling thing. I haven't had time today because my life at the moment is mostly work. I'll try and do it tomorrow.

>>64757260
>I like the idea of them being set up like lion prides, which are notoriously inbred.
The idea I was groping for with the lions is that as soon as a male lion can't defend his pride, he's ousted by a younger stronger male (sometimes by killing, but not always). That is usually followed by a killing of cubs (especially male ones) sired by the old male. The idea of the strongest winning and destroying the weak older genes immediately after seemed suitably Khornate.
I don't think it is the whole solution, since it says very little about what the women of the Blood Pact would be up to. The classic harem models of backstabbing and whispering campaigns wouldn't work here; this is the Blood Pact, not some bunch of sissy Tzeentch followers!

Is there a map of the galaxy and/or saved pics of major characters anywhere?

Also if I could write I’d definitely be writing something for Mag’ladroth