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>>69946100
Everyone shall be forced to wear shades of monotone, from white, to black, to grey. No color shall ever be seen or worn in public. Color of all types will be removed and censored. As colors can arouse within people an emotional response.

Rations shall be handed out based on need and nothing else. Each citizen shall be allotted a certain amount of rations per day.

Food can come in either pill, paste, or juice form. And must be prepared in a factory by manufacturers who enrich it with the correct amount of vitamins and nutrients necessary for survival. Food must never be prepared in homes by human hands. As the smells and tastes can evoke emotional responses within people.

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>>69946110
The Sciencemaster oversees all areas of society, and dictates with supreme authority what is to be seen, and what must be censored. The Sciencemaster oversees these things because he wants to ensure the survival of the species. He does so out of obligation. Out of a rigid and just devotion to his species.

If humanity is to survive, it must overcome it's base hedonistic desires. And that begins with removing color, taste, sound, and emotion from every element of life. Emotional desires shall be suppressed with medicine, and treated as an illness within society.

Those who display any kind of emotion of sympathy or affection shall thusly be shunned by society which sees these things as primitive and childish.

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>>69946129
The players shall assume the roles of Enforcers who distribute rations and maintain order within the facilities where people stay. Enforcers are very important because they keep the ordinary populace in charge so that things like uprisings don't break out. Sometimes they're ordered to search peoples homes for any traces of contraband such as emotional music, or bits of food which have been grown organically instead of produced in a factory.

Those found guilty shall be stripped and sent off to a re-education facility which drills into them their role of compliance in this new world of logic and reason. And how emotions are evil, and can be harmful to the goal of humanity which is to survive and procreate.

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>>69946144
Computers and robots increasingly replace manual labor jobs. So instead most humans are taught about coding and programs. How to maintain certain cybernetic systems. Also the development of scientific advancements. In things such as eugenics, and cybernetic enhancements. Making humans stronger and more powerful than they ever were before.

Making them immune to disease. Allowing them to live for 150 years or more. Advancements like this only come from a society which sacrifices it's primitive emotions to achieve this utopia.

Art and music are generally a waste of time. Time which is better spent advancing the cause of humanity. Making it stronger, making it better. Only through science. Only through cold logic and reasoning can humanity ever hope to survive and continue to reproduce.

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>>69946162
Privacy is dead. Homes are searched often, and everywhere, including bathrooms has security on it. And in order to use the internet you must login using a blood password and retina scanner. These ensure that all posts can be traced back to the user. And violations of law can be prosecuted.

Pets are also outlawed because pets are shown to illicit an emotional response within humans. Dogs serve a more mechanical purpose as trackers instead. But are not shown affection or love at all.

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>>69946179
Pornography is also banned because it is shown to not only illicit an emotional response, but it also is shown to arouse people. This is unforgivable and must be outlawed. Anyone caught in the distribution or production of porn shall be fined and imprisoned for it.
Lewd acts, most especially in public are strictly forbidden. Lewd gestures and illustrations may also be criminal.

I believe my players will enjoy this perfect world of logic and reason. A world where everything is in it's place. Where everything is neat, and orderly. Everything behaves as part of a greater collective. True harmony and balance within the world.

Would you play my setting /tg?

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>>69946199
Only if it has Gun Kata.

Why the fuck would I want to live in your shit world for 150 years? And you should realize that any desire - even the desire to understand the world around you (science) and to progenitor - arises from emotion.

Why not have a setting where we're all rocks. That's probably closer to what you want. We can all be different kinds of rocks.

>>69946100
It would be more fun to play as rebels who want to feel emotion.

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>>69946489
You don't seem to understand. We live in a world right now which is RULED ENTIRELY BY EMOTIONS.

It is a foul, and impure world. One where many people suffer and die needlessly. The rich hoard for their own selfish needs, and the poor are left with nothing. A system which prioritizes the self.
My system prioritizes the needs of the group. Forsaking and overcoming our primitive desires to achieve a perfect, united utopia.

Please understand, this is for the best. These things which you perceive as good for humanity only hurt it in the end. They justify an improper and unbalanced system. My system prevents the imbalances from happening.

>>69946199
No, it sounds like you made a setting after getting assmad because NDT didn't respond to your "But whycome there be sunsets if sceince?! CHeckamte aTheist!" tweet.

>>69946199
>Would you play my setting /tg?
Fuck no. It's cribbed off that film like this anon said >>69946368 can't think of the name of it now but probably for the best and I was doing so well forgetting about that steaming pile of turd until you came along O.P

>>69947024
Equilibrium. About the only things worth remembering about it are a) wasted potential, b) The Player Is A Cheating Bastard, c) I kept expecting Sean Bean to end his dialogue with "For England, James".

Congratulations OP you managed to make the genuinely worst setting of all time. It’s not a bad idea, it’s just literally hell.

I’d rather spend a thousand years as Slaneesh’s murder-rape toy than a month in your setting. At least then I’m allowed to think.

>>69947047
>Sean Bean
Sean Bean was in it? I don't remember that was he his enforcer partner or something. I definitely remember that dodging bullets bullshit though.

>>69946810
The issue is that you remove everything good that have came from emotions which is great works of art, varying philosophies and religions that try to explain the human condition. If you remove emotions, then you might has well just be a meat robot only capable of doing tasks, but never understanding the meaning behind them.

are you literally 14

>>69947078
Yeah, he was the Paul Denton to Christian Bales' JC minus the whole "actually got saved by the protag" bit.

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>>69947068
>make the genuinely worst setting of all time
How? The Sciencemaster removes the negative elements from society and censors them so the people don't have to witness such things. I think a lot of you have this backwards.

Sure, things like colors and all that might be nice to look at. But it's too much for humans to handle. It overloads their sensory organs and makes them highly irrational. Without these things it becomes much easier to keep things at a steady emotional state.

>At least then I’m allowed to think.
Again, you ARE ALLOWED TO THINK, because we need people to think in order to build and maintain the machines. I think you have my position confused with someone who's against forward human progress. I'm completely in agreement that humans should be allowed to think. It is only through thought, through academic achievement can we truly thrive as a species.

>>69947123
>The issue is that you remove everything good that have came from emotions
Small sacrifices are necessary for the greater good. A few paintings and colors can be lost if it means we as a whole can become united under one goal. United in our efforts to progress the species.

>>69946100
>my setting
This is all I need to know that's it's 100% cringe and gay.

the sciencemaster would have to make chromatography illegal

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>>69947179
No?

>>69947380
What's cringy or "gay" about this setting?

>>69947397
If it can be safely removed without reversing scientific progress than it will be.

A lot of the problems people have with my story seem to come down to perception. The perception that the removal of these elements would hurt humanity in any meaningful way. Think of how much time people waste on art, and on music. Time that people don't really have to waste. You people forget that our time here isn't unlimited.

This is about doing the best we can with the time we're given. This isn't about emotions or feelings, it's about the raw facts of the equations. How would you like it if we were trying to solve a math problem but the teacher stopped and ask, "Well, how does this math problem make you FEEL?"

It's irrelevant! How I feel about something means literally nothing in the grand scheme of things. This universe has always prioritized facts over feelings. And this setting embodies this quite well I think.

>>69947305
>United in our efforts to progress the species.
Progress the species in what aspect? I'm a STEMfag to the core but a world without art is bleak, uninteresting, and unlikely to inspire the best in people.

>>69946810
Your world is goddamn boring amd dull to live in, its a nice showing of what happens if cold logic dominated fully, as what use is survival if you cannot live, overall nice plot for a BBEG, right down to a speech

I'm impressed with your world OP. You've managed to make a shittier setting than Synnibar. Congratulations. Never play an RPG again. Think of all the time you'll gain when you are not wasting it on RPGs.

>>69947631
>how I feel doesn't matter.
That's the rub. How you feel is the only truly known metric you ever have. You eyes are weak sensory organs with a blind spot. Your eardrums producing a gross facsimile of sound waves for your brain to interpret.
Nothing matters.
>their time is limited.
Yes it is, and it's never coming back, and it was never going to matter. The sum total of all humanity has never and will never matter. All that really matters is what we can reason and feel about it. (If It matters to you, then it matters. And that's the only amount it ever did or will matter)
Art is helpful for this. Understanding how you feel, and learning about the self.

Your setting fails to understand the human condition so fully and forcefully that you will not draw good faith discussion. You are perceived as a troll, as they assume no one could be so autistic, but I understand friend.

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>>69947802
>but a world without art is bleak, uninteresting, and unlikely to inspire the best in people
I don't consider it bleak at all. Most people can barely live to 80 years old. Consider that in my setting that number is nearly doubled, you begin to see the flaws with our current society.

That we prioritize feelings over facts. Think of it this way, when we're born, we're all handed a test sheet. The test sheet is the same for everyone, but how you fill out the test sheet is entirely up to you.
Now if you have thousands of people doodling all over the paper rather than answering the questions, well that presents a problem doesn't it?

>>69947821
>boring amd dull
Perhaps, but it's also safe, and allows people to live very long lives, provided they do as they're told and follow the rules. Longevity will in all likelihood produce more fruitful workers than those who die and must constantly be retrained.

>>69947931
Again, my setting has a cohesive narrative and follows a string of reason and logic to come to clean conclusion.

>>69948002
Better to try something than to roll around in the muck and never aspire to anything. Our ancestors didn't get us this far just so we could give up and not try. They gave their very lives to ensure we made it. We must honor them, and all of humanity by improving it however we can.

With advances in science come progress. To refuse to evolve is to die. Time and time again the new overtakes the old, and so the cycle continues.

>>69948243
What is the society in your setting advancing toward? Who ultimately enjoys or benefits from this advancement if each individual is a cog in the machine advancing human progress? There doesn't seem to be any individuality beyond applying mental ability to a very specific brand of progress. There's no reason for an individual to willingly choose to exist in your setting. It seems like some kind of metaphor for depression or anhedonia.

>>69948410
Sciencemaster is the beneficiary of everything in society.

>>69947631
The Sciencemaster for one. He sounds like a villain from a 80s Carebears or MLP style show.

>>69946810
go write your shitty blog somewhere else. tumblr would do well for you, or perhaps gaia.

>>69948475
So humanity is basically meant to serve sciencemaster?

>>69946100
>equating monotonous electro and classical
Classical is one of the few genres of music than can elicit true emotion, pleb

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>>69948410
>What is the society in your setting advancing toward
Cybernetic and Biological extension of human lifespan through the progression of technology.

>Who ultimately enjoys or benefits from this advancement
Literally every single living human, and perhaps even dead humans if cryogenics actually end up working.

>each individual is a cog in the machine
How is this bad? Since when has striking out on your own ever yielded anything useful? Anything of substance?
Even on a strictly biological level it takes two humans to reproduce. We are not meant to exist separately, but in fact together, as part of the collective.

>some kind of metaphor
If it's a metaphor for anything, it's a metaphor for hard work yielding results. Not letting emotions get in the way and becoming liberated through dedication to the collective cause.

>>69948475
>>69948485
The Sciencemaster is the master of social and scientific progression. And thereby progression of the human species. He's the central and most important figure to the entire thing. But his goals will benefit everyone, not just himself.

>>69948410
I'm gonna be honest, this setting sounds like one that *exults* in anhedonia, which skeeves me out to no end.

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>>69946100
Change his name to BRAAAPmaster and have the whole setting be about farming flatulence and you might actually have a playable setting here kiddo.

>>69948537
Why would I want to exist for so long if I'm not enjoying it? What do people do for fun?

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>>69948592
You ever heard the saying, "You give an inch, they take a mile"? If you give them fun recreational activities like music festivals, then suddenly that's all people will want to do. They'll never want to focus on the "boring" progression of humanity.

Let me put it another way. Would you ever just give Heroin to someone ONCE? I mean, if you just let people do Heroin, that makes them happy. But it ultimately hurts them, leaving them addicted and helpless. Completely reliant on the drug.

The best solution is abstinence. If people want to do something 'fun'. Then they can revel in the 'fun' of new scientific discoveries.

>>69946994
fpbp
A world ruled by scientists would prioritise health and maximise fun for the sake of mental health. It'd likely be far more free and hedonistic than today. It comes across that you're just a bitter bitch who got meme'd off /sci/, but it could be you're just taking queues from a scifi writer that did the same.

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>>69948670
>A world ruled by scientists would prioritise health and maximise fun
Your scientists would be better served doing their jobs rather than trying to "maximize fun".
Our species hasn't achieved progress because hedonistic idiots keep getting distracted. They aren't forced to make progress, and that's holding them back. The Germans knew this, and that's why their science program was so amazing.

The Sciencemaster is the perfect hero, because he's willing to make tough choices for the greater good. He's willing to make sacrifices in order to save everyone.

>>69948740
>Our species hasn't achieved progress because hedonistic idiots keep getting distracted.

Entertainingly, we've made significant progress through hedonism. That's why there is genuinely a bit of a clusterfuck about a sex toy company not being allowed to enter into a robotics awards program despite the fact they've made significant developments in robotics for the purpose of making those sex toys.

>>69948740
The Sciencemaster is sacrificing nothing. The people are. You say that the Sciencemaster takes away all the negatives of removing emotion in the world? Horseshit. The Sciencemaster's entire *existence* is negative, and he turns the existence of other people into a negative. In this world, suicide is not only a logical response, but the objectively correct one. There is absolutely no reason to continue existing in it beyond reproduction of the genome and consumption of materials. Sponges have the same level of reason to exist as the people the Sciencemaster inflicted themselves upon, only they at least are food for something else, whereas the people in this world do nothing more than consume and procreate. You've turned humanity into a very clever virus. And, like a virus, it will kill its host and then itself.

And, weirdly enough? The Sciencemaster can't even justify removing all emotion without themselves indulging in it, because they first have to *feel* that having emotions is wrong. Their life is a contradiction, their philosophy is nonsense, and the premise of the world they want to create is utterly moronic.

What are they progressing toward? What reason do they have for doing so? Why on earth would anyone want to? Because, to 'progress the species', someone has to *desire* it. That *requires* emotion, not its lack. In the absence of emotion, it would, in fact, not only be logical to not progress, but to regress to an earlier, more sustainable form of living such as, say, hunting and gathering to prevent the death of the species and allow its continued existence. Without the desire, without the emotional need to 'progress', without feeling that a goal is a good one, there is no reason to pursue *anything* beyond immediate gratification of basic needs.

The Sciencemaster is no hero, no savior. They are a villain. They ask that others sacrifice in the name of their contradictory worldview, and then have the nerve to ask to be applauded for it.

>>69948740
Hell, going back to this, there's no reason even to fulfill basic needs beyond fucking *habit*, because food provides no fulfillment, drink provides no refreshment, even lack of air no longer induces panic. There is no reason to live, because you have removed every reason to do so, every stimulus that keeps us moving forward.

The Sciencemaster should be slapped the moment they open their mouth to share their insane plan for the world and told to grow the fuck up.

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>>69949345
Then what would your suggestion be? You already know what happens when people get too caught up in their own hobbies. How can science and society be expected to progress when it clings so heavily to that which distracts it?

You already know that people are easily addicted to these forms of pleasure. Addicted to things like drugs, and sugar, and loud music, and flashing colors, and pornography, and sex. And you want to keep that kind of crap around society? You want people to be constantly doped up to fulfill their base desires?

Why not just rain down Heroin from the skies and let the entire population become horrifically addicted? Watch as the entire structure of society collapses within a day because people can't control themselves. Watch as they give themselves to the pathetic state of degeneracy.

The Sciencemaster is the hero. He has to take this inefficient ball of clay, and shape it into something that will last for a thousand lifetimes after him. It is a delicate process. His burden is more deep and heavy than any single person alive. He must struggle to overcome every temptation flawlessly. He must behave as the most hallowed saint to avoid mistakes in the process.

>>69946100
>only dry electronic or classical music shall be allowed
That's illogical. He should han music altogether.

>>69949533
Certain noises are shown to boost brain activity. The Sciencemaster would never ban all music because it would be counter-productive.

>>69949538
He would study those noises and optimize them instead of keeping them in music form, which is arguably feelings-based in its entirety.

>>69948243
>Consider that in my setting that number is nearly doubled
Consider that in my setting, you suck everyone in this thread's dick on a nightly basis. Why? Because I made it up, you can't fight that impossibly infallible logic, you gigantic thot OP.

>>69948488
>perhaps gaia.
That's still around?

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>>69949557
Possibly. It's hard to say how audio technology might improve or be optimized under his reign.

>>69949585
My setting in comparison to our current world is a massive improvement in every conceivable way. With the Sciencemaster at the helm, humanity would improve exponentially.

>>69949646
Come back after having talked to real scientists, you fundamentally misunderstand what human "progress" means in that context.

>>69946100
10/10 I would absolutely zarathustra the shit out of it. Reminds me of when I was first in uni and read the Birth of Tragedy. Playing a man-as-art version of exalted or something in such a world would make a great take on the matrix.

Really though, it's pretty poorly conceived. Human minds aren't designed for logical inquiry, output isn't maximized in sterile conditions. You need to learn to govern emotions and use them to your advantage, not run away in fear of them. The society you describe would be one without ambition, one where basic biological reward systems are ignored without providing an adequate replacement. The humans become entirely superfluous within a few generations as they lose any cognitive advantage they might hold over the machines.

You've also left is some music and Internet access, which should fly in the face of your stated goal. I would either completely and totally remove all stimuli not absolutely mandatory for survival, or focus more on creating a very specific form of acceptable emotion a la plato.

>>69949515
This "Sciencemaster" is as much a slave to his emotions as you claim all of humanity is. Why else would he value human longevity, ceaseless work, and the nebulous concept of progress so much that he would cripple human society in pursuit of them?

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Holy shit OP. This is literally the most autistic thing I have read in a while. You basically decided to prioritize human survival while at the same time removing everything that make life worth living. It also shown an incredible elementary understanding of logic. Can you answer the question of why humanity should survive without using any kind of emotion or desire?

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>>69949853
interesting, I had assumed leaving the internet up would give people a way to portably educate themselves. But I see now that giving them the internet at all is too dangerous. People cannot be trusted with that kind of power.

Music should perhaps be removed entirely as well and replaced with electronic beats which increase brain function.

>The society you describe would be one without ambition, one where basic biological reward systems are ignored without providing an adequate replacement. The humans become entirely superfluous within a few generations as they lose any cognitive advantage they might hold over the machines.

Eugenics will breed an army of superior larger than life superhumans.

>>69950001
It is unfortunate that he couldn't eliminate all the emotions within himself entirely. The Sciencemaster in my setting has augmented himself severely with bio-mechanical enhancements. But he does retain fragments of his humanity. It's an unavoidable weakness. Hopefully the next Sciencemaster to come after shall be more mechanical in it's nature and fully able to shed it's emotional attachments.

>>69950005
>You basically decided to prioritize human survival
Human survival is an important goal to attain. Doubling the human lifespan is hardly an achievement to scoff at.

>at the same time removing everything that make life worth living

Again, living doped out on stimulants can hardly be considered life. Just indulging yourself needlessly. We were born to assert our dominance. We can't be dominant if we are dead.

>why humanity should survive without using any kind of emotion or desire
Mankind will overcome it's limitations, and become in complete control of it's surroundings. Achieving a status which rivals magic. Able to shift things at will perhaps.

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>>69946100
>In order for a perfect society to function, it must be done coldly and without regard for primitive things such as "feelings" or "emotions". Only facts matter in this new world.
This is the perfect setting to own the libs in.

>>69950562
Why is human survival so important? Can you explain this using reason alone?
Your biggest mistake here is using the setting you have created as a bully pulpit for your personal beliefs. Any players that you have play in your setting will become bored or frustrated when they are interrupted by your preaching, any groups that borrow this setting will drastically alter it to fit their needs, and you would not be able to run games in this setting with the impartial manner a game master requires because you are compromised by the intense feeling you poured into your setting.
Tell me, is your Sciencemaster aware of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs? Are you aware of them?

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>>69950734
It exists because there is an inherent importance to it. Life is precious and must be protected. Even if the lifeforms themselves disagree, they must be made to survive.

In time when they become old and wise, they shall thank the Sciencemaster for his great wisdom. When they learn of his plans to make humanity into something so vastly superior to it's original design, they shall fall at his feet in submission to his cause.

The Sciencemaster shall unburden humanity from it's primitive designs to seek only pleasure. And replace it with a stronger will to survive and improve. Until we reach a point where science becomes indistinguishable from magic. Till we are immortal gods of our world. Capable of choosing our own destiny, and living it to the best of our abilities.

At that point when survival is entirely an optional decision, at that juncture, if pleasure is desired, then it shall be attained. But not until we reach the peak. Not until the grand design is complete.

>>69950562
"Mankind" is in complete control of its surroundings, if by mankind you mean your OC Sciencemaster, and by surroundings you mean mankind, you backwards fascist dipshit.

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>>69946199
>Would you play my setting /tg?
Equilibrium game? Shit yeah, I'm in.

>>69950866
I am disappointed in you. You didn't even use reason to justify human survival as important. All you did is make an emotional appeal by saying that human survival is inherently important and that "life is precious and must be protected". Now, tell me: why do you, personally, see human survival as inherently important? What feelings drive you this way?

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>>69950872
Sciencemaster is in control because he has to be. Because humanity is incapable of being in control of itself. Because it needs a guiding hand. A Shepard to guide the sheep.
Sciencemaster will guide humanity to a golden age of prosperity. An age which forgets poverty, disease, pestilence and old age.

>>69950975
Living and breathing, existing itself has value. It is a wondrous thing to be able to think, and to feel, and to exist. To be able to have an effect on the world around you. To share ideas. To share a peaceful co-existence with other humans.

And the Sciencemaster understands this, which is why he wants it to last as long as possible.

More like Scienceshitter, his irreasonable hatred for emotions and all thing that could possibly indice them is itself more irrationnal and illogic than most emotion. And ironicly is an emotion too. Emotion are simply natural chemical reaction and are a major part if why human can function in a society, or Indeed at all. Not only your science "master" is a shithead, he can't into science, even basic one. Really the only rational reaction he could take is to off himself before he can pass his autism-soaked gene and pollute mankind genetic potential.

>>69950866
>Life is precious and must be protected.
And just like that the facade crumples. This anon >>69950975 is right. There is nothing inherently valuable about humanity that should prioritize its survival either above any other living thing and especially not on a cosmic scale. What you just presented there is a sentimental appeal to self preservation that runs completely contradictory to everything else you laid out.

> Capable of choosing our own destiny, and living it to the best of our abilities.
Completely mutually exclusive in your setting. You can't choose if you don't want something and wanting things is tied to desires and emotions. On top of that, your setting values logical apathy above all else so there can only be one correct option at a time which isn't a choice.

tldr; You did a good job roleplaying as the pseudo-enlightened, hyper-stoic transhumanist while it lasted but this whole setting and your attempt to justify it is nothing but indulging in one of the most illogical emotional responses our hormone jacked monkey brains can put out, projecting our problems onto others and fantastical wish fulfillment.

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Only reason I'd ever play this is to be a rebel and destroy this system.
Otherwise no. Yours is a shit world among even the shittiest, and I'd ill like to suffer it.

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>>69951075
And your solution is what? Let humanities emotions run wild? Let people do what they want irregardless of the consequences it brings?

The Sciencemaster has good intentions and desires for humanity to surpass it's initial design. This means forsaking emotional attachments. Forsaking the primitive to achieve a higher state of being. At least in this short term. Those under his reign may not truly understand why these things happen, but he does them for the greater good.

>>69951080
Another value you may not have considered is that humans are quite intelligent, and will only continue to get more intelligent as time and technology progresses.

The Sciencemaster has goals for humanity to supersede the limitations of it's design, in this he is just. In this, the ends justify the means. You may choose to have hatred for him. But humanity shall benefit.

>>69951134
Why destroy a world of perfect logic and reason? A world which seeks to leave behind death, suffering, aging, and physical disability? Why forsake potential to indulge temporary desires and rewards?

>>69949515
>Why not just rain down Heroin from the skies and let the entire population become horrifically addicted?

So your options are 'No emotions' or 'Drugs raining form the sky'? There is things between those.

>>69951181

Because it is not enough to exist. People want to live.

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Holy shit the autism.
>pic related- OP's ideal for humanity.

>>69949538
>Certain noises are shown to boost brain activity.
So do sex and love.

>>69951181
>Let people do what they want irregardless of the consequences it brings?
Bitch you're posting your fucking fanfic utopia on an Australian gatcha mining ponzi scheme and you claim to hold superiority because of your rational fanfiction?
A world without death IS suffering. What fucking world that censors thought and art can even suppose to claim to be one of potential, if it can't even tackle any sense of offense?
You're a fucking baby's first Objectivist retard. Survival is a means to an end, not an end itself.

>>69951181
>Why destroy a world of perfect logic and reason?
A world that refuses to comprehend the base biological programming of animals, especially humans, cannot be said to possess perfect logic and reason.

>>69951010
>It is a wondrous thing to be able to feel
>proceeds to erase all feelings
okay

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>>69951201
People are unable to handle "moderation". They will always seek for more, as is the nature of people. It will lead to more distractions from the goal. More distractions from the ultimate state humanity must achieve.

>>69951223
Are you implying that more sex will lead to greater productivity?

>>69951226
A world without death is one without suffering. A perfect utopia in which all of humanity achieves a higher state of being. A goal which requires intense focus, and all of the worlds greatest minds working in harmony free from distraction.

We don't need them dicking around drawing paintings when potentials to exceed our designs can be achieved.
Survival is an end, and the means do not matter. All that matters is that humanity perseveres.

>>69951228
Overcoming the programming can be done. Just like machines, humans can be reprogrammed. It will be hard, but it can be done. We cannot transcend without shedding that which holds us back. Like a butterfly sheds it's cocoon, so too shall we shed this shell of ignorance and soar across the sky. Free from our burdens. Free from the pain of death.

>>69951278
A means to an end.

>>69951306
How the fuck is humanity gonna appreciate all the good it does if emotions are forbidden by your gay science daddy

>>69951306
>People are unable to handle "moderation".

Well, the sciencemaster certainly seems unable to manage it.

>>69951306
>A world without death is one without suffering.

And this world is also one without an actual reason to want to live forever. It is an existence without purpose.

>>69951181
>Another value you may not have considered is that humans are quite intelligent,
Relative to what and to what end? A monkey is smarter than a chicken and a chicken is smarter than a cockroach. Doesn't make any one of them more "alive" than the other or their existence any less valuable.

Besides, you're still dodging the question: What makes human life worth living? It seems the only metric of "good" you have for life is how long it lasts. A guy who's completely paralyzed and on life support for 200 years isn't the same as a guy going out and doing shit for a fraction of that time.

>>69951306
Have you even thought about how these plans you dreamed up could be accomplished? Whether or not you have, why are you wasting your time trying to persuade us, a collective of anonymous strangers on the Internet, of your righteousness instead of implementing or formulating your plans? Are you getting distracted by your own desire for gratification and projecting it onto everyone else?

>>69951306
>People are unable to handle "moderation"
So your science daddy decides to swing for a completely absolutist view of logic vs emotion. I think you should examine those words very carefully.

>>69948668
No, they can't revel in the fun of science. Because fun is outlawed.

Humanity has pleasure and it has pain to tell it good from bad. Remove the pleasure you have only pain and frankly from this overview of the setting, I am more inclined to think terrorism is a very real danger from those who refused to capitulate to this "science bitch"

>>69946100
>it must be done coldly and without regard for primitive things such as "feelings" or "emotions". Only facts matter in this new world.

So was the trigger for this poor Sciencemaster Shapiro's feelings getting hurt by encountering a 'you must be this tall to ride' sign at a carnival? As a result, all fun must be banned?

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>>69951317
It can certainly appreciate it once the work is completed. At that point restraining our emotions will no longer be necessary hopefully.

>>69951326
He made special augmentations to his own body, replacing most of it with mechanical parts. He can interface with computers and has a separate brain drive for sharing and storing data. He also can attach multiple mechanical arms to himself to more easily build and interact with the environment.

>>69951336
Purpose is in the eye of the beholder. To be decided by the one who lives, but only when humanity has reached it's potential.

>>69951351
You are a pessimist. Believing that in 200 years the paralyzed man will not acquire an artificial body and limbs with which to experience the world. Longevity opens many doors.

So again, that longevity opens the doors for all of humanity to benefit immensely by factors and options it might not have otherwise had.

>>69951373
Because I believe in my idea and believe it is important to share it.

>>69951405
>>69951445
Why must you mock the Sciencemaster?

>>69946810
>My system prioritizes the needs of the group
Why? With no emotions you have no drive towards self-preservation.

>>69951484
>Why must you mock the Sciencemaster?
Because a Messiah that cannot handle mockery is nothing more than a delusional demagogue.
Besides, the Sciencemaster does not exist outside of your own head.

>>69951484
Because he is a mockery of a dictator with no reason to exist.
You didn't detail how this moron became the uber-overlord, you gave no reason why humanity would accept him and before you say 'because it is in their best interests' I tell you to look at this thread and realize that no, most people will refuse and a good portion of the human race would become terrorists. Jesus christ, you get religious extremism out of occupation, imagine how much you would get out of neutering the human experience.

You are also missing the staggeringly obvious point that not every human is good at shit. Every few hundered years you have a da vinci, an eninstien, a hawkin, a newton. Someone who can truly innovate and advance because they are just that good at it, and every time from now since the start you have had the regular morons who can't figure out a black hole from a supernova.
And a genuis who doesn't proscribe to science? Mozart and van goh? artists are now marginalized and brutalized and mindfucked for their wrong thoughts. You have just cost humanity part of their soul, well done.

>>69951484
>but only when humanity has reached it's potential.

That is impossible. You are talking about the end of a path that is by definition endless.

>>69946100
You've never seen Serenity, have you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-NVs68X_S4

Ignore the reapers. Without a motive force of emotion, people will stop having reasons to do things. What you're doing is causing depression on the entire populace. Without emotions to drive people to take action, people stop being driven to better themselves, to improve, to keep themselves maintained, to do anything at all.

Eventually everyone just stops getting out of bed, because - why bother? If you feel that everyone being on life support staring unfeeling at ceilings thinking nothing, doing nothing, that's what you'll get. An entire planet of people doing nothing at all, waiting to die of old age.

>>69947305
>The Sciencemaster removes the negative elements from society
Yeah and all the positive ones too.
There is no reason to live in this setting, and no reason to play in it either.

Having said all this, I think I will use this setting.

The group has been moving across dimensions and swapping DM's with every adventure and it is my turn next. So here is the general plan I got here.

God or one of the usual quest givers calls up the PC's and says "Hey guys, I got this real sweet deal I need doin. See this one world got some real crazy shit going down and I got a wager that you can bring it all burning to the ground. Win me the bet and I will owe ya one."

So have them thrown into the deep end of this madness, braindead shuffling corpses walking down the streets, oblivious or dully blinking at the colorful odd creatures that have appeared in their midst, Maybe the first stirrings of terror as SOMETHING has happened within their regulated and uniform life. This quickly summons the enforcers with their truncheons, carrying away those who are fearful while they attempt to arrest the PC's for "re-conditioning".

Not sure where to go from there, but this is a good start I think

>>69946100
I create a drug that removes the negative effects of emotions and retains the positive effects of emotions and present it to the Science Master, its use is far superior to the current method of suppressing all emotion. I also prepare a logical dissertation that demonstrates that a singular physical figurehead is inefficient for ruling and the unnecessary parts of the Science Master should be removed, and the remaining parts of the brain incorporated into a supercomputer that has no free will of its own and can only advise; this is the utilitarian course of action and outweighs any further course of action the Science Master has.

Does the science master allow emotion again and allow himself to be killed and his corpse used to build a better machine? If he does not, he is simply a tyrant imposing his own biased desires upon the planet and should be overthrown and killed. If he does, he is now dead and his brain used as circuitry.

What does he do?

>>69948243
Long live doesn't automatically mean its good and happy one, man needs said dopamine not to become depressed and miserable, for if he cannot feel pride or happiness over a job well done, then it will feel meaningless, there must be a balance

>>69951769
If he is a true believer, He would accept in a heartbeat.

But the author here will say "no, he doesn't because he is perfect already" or just "that drug doesn't exist because it is impossible."

Someone should archive this.

>>69951816
If its impossible to be better than the science master it's better to simply clone the science master and turn the existing population into brains in cold storage, where they will use the least storage while still being "alive".

As this has not been done, the science master is not perfect, and therefore can - and therefore must - be overthrown.

He dug his own grave, the faggot that he is. His own position is entirely hypocritical.

>>69947233
Well you don't have to save paul, but it's a dick move

>>69951836
Agreed.

But he will make an okay villain, Maybe throw in some psionics bullshit that only he can use due to having a functional imagination.

>>69949515
The very fact you spent time making up this setting shows you don't genuinely care about the progression of science or you would have spent the time you wasted coming up with the concept cataloguing mayfly genes. Humans aren't computers, after a while they need to stop working and if all they have to do after putting in their 12 hour shift at the science factory is to stare at a grey wall then a large number of people would rightly kill themselves

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>>69951816
The Sciencemaster would agree to use a pill which cancels out the negative effects as you've said. The Sciencemaster doesn't want people to suffer needlessly.

The Sciencemaster has resigned himself to wait until technology allows for him to overcome his emotions. If not he will live out his naturally full life, before appointing a new Sciencemaster before his death if needed. If one cannot be found, he may upload his consciousnesses into a computer and resume his duties.

>>69951698
>>69951980
The Sciencemaster should not be seen as a villain. The Sciencemaster has good intentions. He is the shepherd of humanity which guides it towards a bright future. I believe he is a hero.

>>69952018
Then the Sciencemaster would make adjustments to the policies. He would not be content to see the citizens kill themselves and die needlessly. I created the Sciencemaster to be a force of good, not a villain. He has harsh policies, but I don't believe he has evil intentions.

>>69952090
He is the villain, your beliefs do not trump this fact.

>>69952090
And what about the statement that without emotions, humans would be considered in the state of "clinically depressed" and be unable to motivate themselves to take any action, leaving them to become unable to rouse themselves from their beds? Something that is an actual mental illness demonstrable today due to lack of emotion?

>>69952167
How would you expect the Sciencemaster to solve that then?

>>69952190
So far the bastard has managed to get all of humanity under his thumb and violate nearly every human right we possess and many would never give up willingly.

So if he can do the impossible once, why can he not have come up with a solution to the """""obvious!"""" problem it will create. If you remove something, you must have something to take its place so people don't go sliding back into it.

>>69952190
Realise that stripping people of all their emotions is going to reduce people into shambling messes, and simply work on using quick acting drugs to heavily reduce certain emotions such as anger and fear, and ameliorate the effect of the rest rather than all emotions.

Furthermore, provide timeframes where people can take a break from this emotionally reduced state where they regain full emotional capability at holiday resorts, where they are wholly protected and monitored and prevented from doing harm to each other or themselves, and where artistic pursuits, love and enjoyment can be pursued.

This provides both significant reduction in crimes of passion, and also provides the benefits of artistic expression, love and more.

It comes at a non-negligible price, where the expenses of running such facilities and dosing everyone in the world like that would be costly, but it prevents the scenarios of no motive force at all, and also provides the beneficial effects of emotions under carefully controlled situations.

It is not emotions that are the enemy, but the actions that are taken when emotions overtake you. When the human has the ability to harm and emotions are limited, then the risk of harm is negligible. When the human has no ability to harm and emotions are in control, the risk of harm again is negligible.

>>69952090
>but I don't believe he has evil intentions.

Irrelevant. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and this setting would be an unutterable hell.

>>69952090
>Would not be content
Nice emotions, sciencehitler

Why would he not be content to see them kill themselves? If they couldn't handle it, they were a genetic dead end that can easily be replaced. The only reason he would care is if he had emotions

This is just 1984 but worse, since at least there was a chance you don't get caught for thoughtcrime, and at least you don't have to live there forever

>>69952279
tl;dr emotion is a drug that provides important health benefits such as a motive force, and can be managed responsibly. But you shouldn't be able to operate heavy machinery (anything that can kill another human) while high on emotion.

Regulate, not suppress entirely. Prohibition is just going to make everyone go into full uprising mode and break the law anyway.

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>>69952279
I like this quite a bit. The lack of emotions would effect the work quality. The way you've presented this seems very reasonable.
I think the Sciencemaster would agree to this.

>>69952280
>>69952311
I didn't want this. Perhaps I've taken things too far by thinking that removing all emotions was efficient. Drugs and less regulation outside of work environments might be better for the mental state of humanity. Perhaps reigning in the policies is in order. He's not supposed to be a "sciencehitler" he's supposed to be the hero of the setting.

>>69952313
I think I understand this now. Yes, prohibition has been shown to be ineffective in the past. Perhaps it's foolish to expect it to work in this setting either.

>>69952090
>The Sciencemaster should not be seen as a villain. The Sciencemaster has good intentions.
The road to hell’s paved with them.
And he’s quite succinctly made hell.

>>69952377
You made a hero who is completely anthitical to any sensibilities humanity can appreciate and actively causes misery with a lack of joy.

You un-intentionally, or possibly intentionally, made a zealot of his own religion and that religion is even worse than Christianity with it's "original sin". It demonizes a fundamental part of living and seeks to destroy it then actually succeeded.

Welcome to hell, you will fit right in with sauron, voldemort and palpatine.

>>69952377
>I think I understand this now.
You're welcome, and I am glad that you view this as superior to your initial idea. Lack of emotions entirely is an illness. Too much emotions overwhelm logic, which is what is used to lead to your goals. But logic is only the facts, and dictates no action. It is only a tool to carry out your desires.

Your desire to have people live forever is not a bad desire. But it is STILL a desire, driven entirely by emotion. Not a single fact in this world says "living longer = this is better". It is only an emotion caused by a desire for self-preservation and for preservation of the species that makes that fact true.

Control emotions, do not destroy them. Do not let your emotions rule you, but do not try to cast them out entirely - no-one should be a buddha, seeking to become nothingness.

Finally, W E L C O M E T O A L P H A C O M P L E X, T R O U B L E S H O O T E R.

>>69952377
Emotions are extremely important. People IRL who don't have them due to disease or accident affecting their brains get paralyzed by simple choices Like "what do you want for lunch" because emotions and preferences allow them to actually answer that question. If you strip everyone of them completely,

Furthermore, as an actual Biochemist, there are loads of people who really wouldn't be good at science. Forcing everyone to be scientists would simply result in massive cockups because some people simply can't do the same thing repeatedly for literal weeks at a time, only for it to fail anyway.

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>>69952279
Also, an important point that I totally forgot to mention, everyone in the pleasure domes are mandated to wear full body skintight latex-like outfits, so as to cushion any attacks caused by outbursts of emotion and to minimise injury. It will totally add to the aesthetics of the place, too. Makes sense, right? Now, let's have everyone in their figure hugging outfits!

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>>69952396
>>69952427

I want the Sciencemaster to be something of a wise father figure that people can approach with questions. He should usually be busy working on something, but will generally be patient in answering questions. He should come off a bit cold and pragmatic, but not too uncaring.

Those who work and earn their keep can unlock things such as being able to wear colorful clothing and being able to cook. The colors can be the pride of the top scientists and Enforcers.

>>69952438
Thank you friend. I will try to use this in a better thought out version in my setting.

>>69952492
This seems fine as well.

>>69952615
>not too uncaring
He has to be by definition.
No one in this setting cares about anything becuase *thats emotion*

>>69952615
>colours and decent cooking are the purview of the best of society
No one will want them becuase desire is an emotion.
They’ll just be given colours and not have any reaction.
That’s a pointless thing - unless you’re going to allow them emotion at that level too, which completely undermines your entire point which was ‘people work best with no emotions and the entire raison d’etre is to work tirelessly for a humanity that doesn’t care anymore.’
If you want to go that ‘negative emotions are removed and positive are kept’ then you’ve more of a functional setting - to an extent - but even then you hit the problem of ‘people at the top have everything and everyone else gets fucked, whilst the best of the best are now being distracted from work by BRIGHT COLOURS and ACTUAL FOOD’.
Not exactly the fair and logical society you wanted.

>>69952719
>>69952778
I don't know what to do then.

>>69952802
Drop it and start afresh from a less unworkable idea.

>>69952802
Basically everyone needs emotions or nothing will work properly, that's just how humans work

Though I would just not do this idea since it's Equilibrium + star trek - any humanity

Unironically it'd be better if Sciencefuhrer was an AI enslaving everyone for "benevolent" reasons. At least then you get why someone hasn't just stabbed Hitler Rick

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>>69952802
Have it be voluntary/temporary.
You can volunteer for it for benefits down the line, or have it be involuntary but only temporary.

“As part of a standard life (expectancy of 100) from age 20-50 the average person is expected to undergo death of emotion for that time.
They become incredibly efficient, better able to learn vast tracts of knowledge and can work efficiently in any system.
And the end of their job tenure, they undergo Restoration and have their emotional response returned - at this point they are also given the house they have earned in their 20 years, the income they didn’t need whilst living in the communal work barracks, as well as permission to start a family. They live from then till death raising their children in joy and happiness, and living with full emotional range and response.”
Make the time period longer if you need to, but if people are working more efficiently then you probably wouldn’t need the current method of taking people’s entire fucking lives for the grindstone.
This way you have your creatives making things in their teens or later life - maybe if someone’s a musical prodigy at 13 you don’t give them the treatment so they can better contribute to the cultural milleau - you have a society who gives up some of their years for a tangible reward down the line, and you’ve got your ultra efficient workforce you want.
Maybe have teams overlooked by people on half-death of emotion so they still comprehend the drive to achieve things - perhaps those who showed most aptitude when they were DoE and now that they’re past that they can undergo half-DoE to earn more for their family or something.

>>69946489
This

>>69946100
OP, nothing could possibly motivate me to play this. I'd rather race turds in a creek than play this.

>/tg/ saves the world from autism
Thanks, /tg/.
But the battle is never-ending.

Sciencemaster was defeated and our heroes - wiser, stronger, and little worse for wear - headed back to their world of food and color and feeling. They headed home.

The end.

OP I have read every one of your posts up to this point. You have autism or are still in high school (both?). And you know literally nothing about science, or even basic logic. And yet you seem to think you are in any way able to reason things about science and the human condition.
Shoot, I was completely willing to give you the benefit of the doubt about your setting as horrible dystopia written by children (which could be fun if you ran a game for elementary schoolers) until you started defending it in the worst ways possible. May a bus run you over.

It's kinda impressive that I'd rather play a setting based on a fucking fart fetish than touch anything like OP made. And I love the Equilibrium movie for all its faults.

In fact, if these posts is genuine and not some kind of a long bait, I'd no longer consider OP as human and would gladly put a bullet in its head if not for legal consequences.

You should seriously commit suicide, OP.

>>69953134
>>69953210
Now, now. We got through to OP in the end. Even autists can learn.

This can't possibly not be a troll. I refuse to believe someone so autistic would be able to actually exist

>>69946100
That's literally the movie Equiblirium.

>>69946100
Facts are not a driving force. You are driven by an emotional need to see yourself as driven by logic because that makes you feel good about yourself. Your entire setting is based around a number of "improvements" to current society, but the idea that these ways are better is entirely based upon your subjective concept of what is more desirable--key note here, desire is an emotion. What is the factual basis for longer lifespans being better? You can get more done with more time alive, but why? If you have no emotions driving you, why do you do more things? Why is doing, say, 50 notable things with your life better than doing just one, or even zero? You might be able to help more people live and progress science, but why? What do you get out of it? If you have your emotions removed, you don't have any drive, any meaning that causes you to think that that's a desirable outcome is all gone and totally meaningless. Your setting's people will still do things, sure, you've made sure of that. But the idea that this is a more desirable state of affairs for either them or for people living in the real world is silly and meaningless.

As for you, OP, you're clearly full of rather out of control emotions, namely a whole hell of a lot of frustration and anger. You should probably examine that and try to process why you feel them and why you feel such an irrational hatred for emotions while not actually understanding what they are.

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>>69947047
Fuck you, Equilibrium is awesome.
It's a B-list - maybe even C-list - screenplay, with an A-list cast and a great production team. It's the most polished turd ever created and it deserves respect.