Sounds kinda boring. Why not alt history instead?

>>70043301
If you're applying all those restrictions why not just do a historical setting? Otherwise you just seem to be reinventing the wheel.

>>70043301
>no starting points

>>70043782
Let's fix OP's shitty start.

This is a world where religion strictly doesn't exist. Perhaps the inhabitants just weren't wired like humans to explain the world before a scientific body was formed for utility purposes, perhaps the first influential states just so happened to form around godless leaders by happenstance, or perhaps the old mythologies were always treated as tales and never managed to unite into any organized bodies.

Whatever the reason, the setting is just devoid of any belief founded on faith, and has been for as long as any person has been alive. How does this separate the development of this place from our world?

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Alright. lets spice this shit up.

>in this world, most countries in power are megalithic authoritarian police states, and there are concepts and ideas classified as basilisks and infohazards. cult groups invariably are those who have been exposed to these "infohazardous ideas" and are sought and wiped out by essentially superswat. technology has developed to the point where police can be outfitted with special helmets which block out these infohazards and basilisks, selectively removing information 'for their own safety.'

>some basilisks and infohazards are genuinely dangerous, ala rokos basilisk and such (much more significant here, since technology is so far along and non-singularity AI is rampant), there are also images which can seriously fuck up your brain or even kill you, but a lot of these things are simply ideas and memes which go against the current state. as such, the state has secured the ultimate justification for gross information quarantine.

there. no magic. suck it.

>>70043987
There would probably be a split between hedonistic ideologies because if there is no afterlife might as well ham it up now.

There would also probably be some ideologies focused on leaving as positive a mark as you can.

I think politics and philosophies would probably take the place of religions. Some people are already fanatical about the politics they believe in. In a world with no Gods and nothing to look forward too, changing the world as it exists would be paramount.

>>70043987
>>70044024
These actually work together really nicely. Anything that starts to resemble a faith is marked as a basilisk and removed. We're left with zealot atheism running the show.

>>70044024
>scp foundation shit
Amazing example of a non-fantasy concept.

>>70044248
>SCP
>Amazing

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>>70044076
>as a result of this, most of politics revolves around the central conflict between the Apollonian and the Dionysian. Meritocracy versus selection. hedonism versus altruism. nature versus nurture. this dichotomy has captures the populace, and is the central reds versus greens of modern politics for this world.

>>70044248
>Fantasy is when there are elves or spells
SCP 731 and 682 are some of the most popular on the site and their existence immediately proves you wrong.

>>70044301
Could also see some Ultra Nihilists get in somewhere altho they'd probably fall in with the Hedonists

>>70044301
(Most) Committed hedonists wouldn't waste their limited time trying to convince other people to join in the orgies unless they're writers or philosophers or something, they'd just be blazing it 24/7.

What if hedonism was considered heretical? Imagine a dad finding out their son has been smoking pot instead of engraving poetry on the everlasting wall or something, he'd lose his shit and kick him out of the house

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>>70044329
Nihilism and its associated epistemological arguments would have probably considered an info-hazard far before this point, due to its tendency towards self destruction and general poor mental health and malaise. nihilism is very dangerous to an atheistic police state.

>>70043301
>Make a post apocalyptic setting but the apocalypse didn't happen

>>70044414
how is it post apocalyptic then

>>70044369
Well i think it really depends on the brand of hedonism. Surely there would be the DudeWeedLmao types that you speak of. But i could also see there being militants who either live to fight or act as terrorists to tear down Order so that mankind can become one giant bubble of hedonism. Some kind of ideology of extreme liberation.

>>70044423
You have to be 18 years of age or older to use this website, please leave.

>>70043301
It's like our world, but women are taller and stronger than men. The matriarchy allowed for a peaceful society, but there are still some rebelious males that need to be hunted and domesticated.

>>70044442
That's sick, I can see that being the case. I guess hedonists would usually always be the underdogs then? Since the altruists would inevitably be better organized because of their belief in sacrificing their life for the greater good? Whereas if you're a hedonist leader, how do you motivate your people to say, join a war of aggression which you started?

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>>70044423
>>70044414

I know the first guy was bullshitting but we can actually work this into the setting via acausal blackmail.

a lot of those cult group types are convinced we are the midst of an apocalypse and we are dooming ourselves to (insert torment here) because of (insert agent here)
rokos basilisk would be a prominent example, however at this point i am certain roko-like ideas beyond that one would have been developed. its all just a matter of perspective.

fate is replaced with inevitability in this atheistic world. we have reinvented superstition and gods with our machines and logic. we should not be shocked when a few say "god help us."

>>70044401
Hmmmm...well if we are gonna do an apocalypse, what should we base it on? Some kind of societal collapse that resulted in the success of world police states probably.

Maybe there was a kind of world spanning state that became so degenerate and self serving that it broke under the weight of it all(ala fall of the eldar). This in turn prompted the start of the 1984ish police states who cracked down on degenerate behavior of ANY kind. Mankind had shown themselves totally incapable of exercising freedom responsibly. Of course there would be plenty of Hedonist holdouts, as well internal terrorist groups.

>>70044495
I'd point you actually to an example from our own history.

Spartans outside Sparta.

They were trained to be morally upright and disciplined all their lives. When they were among fellow Spartans, they were. BUT when outside their homeland they tended to go absolutely insane. Whoring, drinking, binging, etc. Essentially their pent up frustrations and desires came out in a waterfall once outside people who would actually judge them.

I think if you are the leader of a Hedonist cult, you preach freedom. The alternative is to be enslaved to a state that seeks to control you. A State that says it does what is best for us when it silences all dissent. Is this all your life should be? Or will you tear down this falsity. Will you embrace all you can be? Live your life, do as you wish, and let mankind be all he can be. Break your Chains.

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>>70044515
We could actually roll with that. Our world develops into one unified polity much like the united nations, but everything sorta grinds to a halt and humans stop humaning. malaise sets in, hedonism begins to encapsulate daily life until (insert something earth shatteringly bad happens, which results in the world we see today.)
the "apocalypse" is heavily censored by the state due to its nature, and almost all history of it is purged. for all intents and purposes, history started after this event. the first year is marked as "when our third eye was ripped from our skulls, and we are thankful."

>>70044579
Of course, on the other hand, Altruism is only so innocent. Mankind has shown himself incapable of making their own choices. Therefore, to ensure the ability of society to function as best it can, people must be forced to sacrifice. Individualism must be cracked down on. The state is your god, the word of the rulers your bible. The government does it's best to distribute and care for who they can, but in order to achieve this, they must supress mankinds nature.


The key philosophical battle at this point would be How Much is Freedom Worth?

Should or should not Mankind be free to make their own mistakes.

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>>70044495
>>70044632

I just realised something.

What if the hedonists are kept around by the state as perpetual underdogs, so that it is kept from seeping in more conventionally, and the world stays sharp against a common enemy? humans work best against an antagonist. and having a perpetual, unkillable underdog would give the state the ability to function AS a police state indefinitely, as we turn towards the stars or whatever else. they are the whetstone on which societies vitriol and will is sharpened apon.

>>70044608
I think a great twist would be "The End" of that world spanning body be an internal nuclear holocaust. BUT...it was the forces of Order, their ancestors at least who launched the nukes. They saw how corrupt and unsavable(in their eyes) the world had become. So they hit the button, burnt it all down, then blamed the system before seizing power. This ultimately apocalyptic action set the stage for the current divide.

Because of course, the Altruists hide the fact that they launched the nukes. It's their biggest secret.

>>70044685
And now you know why they killed epstein.

>>70044685
I like this. And as a bonus, the forces of Order/Altruism are not totally United. The various police states have their own brands of ideology. Not!Communism, Not!fascism, etc. Not only does letting the Hedonist insurrection exist give them a perpetual enemy, it also forces them to cooperate. Without a common foe, they probably know they would ultimately destroy each other.

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>>70043301
>HQ, this is Alpha-9F! We are taking heavy fire! Rebel forces have deployed outside the Hall of Knowledge, unknown weaponry identified.
>Affirmative Alpha-9F. We are sending reinforcements now. Hold until relieved. The Degenerates shall not prevail.
>*beep*
>Alpha-9F, the unknown equipment has been identified. They are highly customized gas canisters. Scanners indicate they contain the Red Masque virus. Exercise extreme caution.
>Understood HQ. With permission, shall we engage and capture the Canisters?
>Permission granted. Temporary authority transferred to your ID. Alpha-9F, forwards for the Collective. No mercy.
>*Gunshots and explosions*
>...HQ, this is Alpha-9F, we have broken through. But we have a problem.
>Elaborate, Alpha-9F
>Red Masque canisters have been engaged amd connected to the Hall's circulation system HQ. Threatening to spread citywide through the pipes.
>Can they be stopped Alpha-9F?
>....yes HQ. They can. We can destroy the circulation system and the canisters with sufficient explosives. Yet reinforcements have not arrived.
>They were delayed Alpha-9F. Hedonist forces ambushed their convoy.
>So be it. HQ, I, Alpha-9F, request permission to execute the Final Initiative. Out current explosives are sufficient for a one way explosion. None shall escape. Us or them.
>.....
>HQ? Please confirm. ID code 1765901..
>You are acknowledged Alpha-9F. Permission is yours. You shall not be forgotten. We salute you.
>Acknowledged. Goodbye Theresa. For the Collective.
>.....

>Post mission summary
>Hall of Knowledge destroyed with all combatants. Red Masque Virus porforation stopped.
>Officer Alpha-9F hereby recommended for posthumous honors in Hall of Citizens.

>Secret Summary
>HQ Analyst Sigma-10Z, granted name "Theresa", placed under emotional observation.
>End of report

>>70045199
Dawww, he called her by her name.

>>70043301
Also do not forget that without Divine Right of Kings and shit the justness/Legitimacy of Governments would be based on like success and efficiency.

>>70045368
We have the divine right. We proved it last Tuesday now shut up.

>>70045514
Reeeee Hedonist

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Alright. ive got a lot of words out. im going to stop, and give others some time to flesh this out how they want since collaboration and all.

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the police would probably be a very diverse field in this setting, wouldnt it?

id expect much more inter agency cooperation as well as SERIOUSLY well paid-yet-monitored detectives and crime scene analysts. I mean, in a world where shit like images can kill, youd essentially have to have a bunch of detectives working on the same project but cut into different pieces to ensure no one actually understands what is going on and why. don't even get me started on how the fuck courtrooms would work.

>>70044325
Scuze me do I have start using reddshit sarcasm tags?

>>70045717
>Courtrooms

Swift and short lmao. Can you actually see a bunch of Order Judges taking it easy on some drugged up dreadlocked bloodrager?

>>70043301
Feel like before we can do any Canon Factions we need an actual map

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>>70046039
Maps are outlawed and are considered info hazardous material. there are some countries/areas which have fallen to info-hazards and knowledge of where they are could cause a breach of those hazards. its better that people simply do not know.

interior maps on the other hand... are A ok. however, most states wont let you travel to more than three or so countries in your lifetime unless you are someone really important, to prevent people from filling in the blanks.

>>70046173
>When you have no Papieren

Seriously tho i think some kind of underground network connecting some of the main Hedonist cells isn't out of the question. The Altruist borders are gonna be locked down pretty damn tight. Of course, the Hedonists probably have Thought Criminal double agents in the militaries on occasion.

>>70043301
Ugh, can the jannies autosage this? Apparently I forgot to mention "concepts with no basis in neurology" in OP.

>>70046250
You are irrelevant now OP

To Processing with you

>>70045717
Military and police would probably just be one field, then divided down into all the assortments of public and private organizations pertaining to each state.

>>70046271
Yeh. I feel like the Order/Altruist guys would fear a separate military and police force. Best to combine them both into one organization with oversight.

>>70043987
Can’t have philosophy without first having metaphysics and religion and you can’t have science without philosophy. This humanoid race never gets beyond dawn man stage.

>>70044024
So modern England.

>>70046425
>Can’t have philosophy without first having metaphysics and religion and you can’t have science without philosophy.

>Can't
>Fantasy setting

If human psychology is already different enough to not develop the idea of religion, then I'd argue their brains work different enough to walk developmental avenues we did not.

>>70046250
>concepts with no basis in neurology
eat shit, OP...

>Total Erasures and Empty Men
By introducing a human mind to the proper infohazards in a controlled environment, it's possible to wipe the entire fucking hard drive clean.
What's left is a vegetable - a person without any thoughts whatsoever. These Empty Men are essentially newborn babies, without even the instinct to cry.
From this blank slate, simple basilisks can infiltrate the brain, keying certain bodily functions to phrases and words. By attaching a headset to the Empty Man's head, a recorded voice tells them to walk straight, to turn, to grasp and lift. Using Empty Men for labor has become increasingly profitable as the death rates from the operations have been improved.
Altruist governments have increasingly taken to performing the procedure on criminals, rather than killing them outright. For one, it can be spun as more humane. For two, it's free labor as long as it lasts.

But beware, not every Empty Man is as empty as they seem.

>>70046425
Our philosophies have a foundation in religion but most of them are pretty divorced from their origins now and make their arguments under different logical frameworks.
The high concept here just means that people arrived at logic first under trial and error, then developed practical habits into philosophical ideas that meshed well with their lifestyles.

States that practice altruism just become states that developed in places where killing each other was less practical than sharing resources, without a God's good words inbetween.

>>70046472
>Altruist governments have increasingly taken to performing the procedure on criminals, rather than killing them outright. For one, it can be spun as more humane. For two, it's free labor as long as it lasts.

This is so fucking twisted in a humanitarian way lol.
I love it.

Such is the fate of the Iredeemable. A proper punisment for the Hedonists.

I also like the peddled idea of the military/police having ID numbers. True Names being something reserved for close friends, spouses, etc. Sort of like Clone Troopers in Star Wars. It helps depersonalize them and stops...dangerous sympathies.

>>70046454
Well good luck explaining how you get beyond dawn man when their brains seize up trying to conceive of anything abstract like an afterlife or spirits.

>>70046537
>what are Vulcans in Star Trek

You can have a society where abstracts are not at the forefront.

>>70046556
Vulcans had religion.

>>70046472
>Locking In
Locked In Syndrome is a condition where the afflicted in paralyzed completely, yet perfectly aware. Causing it is harder than death, but not that much harder, as it's a matter of simply preventing the signals from the brain from traveling beyond it's confines. Constant maintenance of the signal blockers is required, as it could either result in death or freedom, neither of which is desirable.

Altruist prisons are full of the paralyzed and trapped. Eyes firmly pointed at a screen of shifting colors, ears full of hellish noise, the prisoners simply lie there, strapped to a table, in a cubbyhole the size of a coffin.
Keeping the dangerous prisoners like this was a risk that's paid off. Same with the unruly, the hard to manage, or even simply the ones that you might need again. After all, sometimes you might need to pick somebody's brain for knowledge one day, and killing or Emptying them would lock that off.

The body atrophies quickly without stimulus. Proper life support keeps the imprisoned alive, but no more. Some are let out, periodically, to exercise; others just lay there and rot from the inside out. After all, if they couldn't move their limbs even once they're let free, all the better.
>The only prison you can't escape is your body.

>>70046537
Even animals use tools and understand cause and effect anon. Man would probably develop more slowly but we still have the higher brain capacity to learn lessons and pass them on without abstract explanation. We might have a harder time coming to ideas but cave men will discover fire, tell everyone about it, and then learn to cook on it. Most anything will eventually develop because a need develops, and if we're taking things to the extreme that we can't even conceptualize solutions, then it only means that we'd have to throw things at the wall until we find our target.

>>70046643
This Mankind is truly a species of extremes. The answer of the Proto-Altruists was to burn the world down via nukes to restart society. Now the world is caught between two extremes.

>>70046633
>The God-That-Isn't
In the years following the End of the World, many nations rose and died. One of the bloodiest proto-Altruist nations sat in what we now call the Scorch.
This nameless nation had pushed it's citizens too far, too fast. Work camps, slave labor, and worse atrocities took place in the name of progress. Morale had fallen to an abysmal low. The rulers of this nation were stumped - if they fell back, they would be crushed by their superior neighbors, but if they kept going, their people would crack.

Salvation was found among the mad. The mentally flawed, those who aren't neurotypical, can pick up all sorts of delusions. Most of the time they are ignored or quietly brushed under the rug, but just once, in a lucky coincidence, a doctor at an asylum noted something tremendous.
The people gathered around a mad prophet, ranting and raving about some far-off philosophy as related to the real world as the Order is to the Hedonists.
But what amazed the doctor was that the people listened along. A small fraction of the population treated the man as a divine figure. They prayed, they prostrated, they worshiped, and most of all - they did not break when the other inmates attacked them for their folly.

The leadership of the nameless nation took notice. While the preacher was clearly mad, but was the idea of a religion mad? A state religion, deifying the heads of state... could it work to raise morale? A people that would lay down their lives for a lie?

So the heads of state went to work.

>>70046997
A few thousand people were gathered from across the nation and placed into camps. The people in charge were tasked with manufacturing faith.
Intense selective pressure ensued. If some fake religion proved a failure, it was quietly removed. Whatever aspects were successful were quickly adapted to all the rest. It was an evolutionary pressure-cooker for ideas.

Knowing what we know now, it's no surprise the God-That-Isn't rose there. Basilisks and infohazards are like viruses that grow and spread; to compare memetics to diseases, what they did was put together a thousand minds, under intense stress, and infected them with as many diseases as they could.

The God-That-Isn't was, by all accounts, a total success. A placebo religion, all ritual and piety, but no substance. A god with no divinity, a church that is the state that is the people that is the god.

It ate most of the country before it was noticed. It grew through most of the neighbors before it was stopped. Nuclear hell was brought to earth once more, despite so many pretty promises. The entire people were culled, every trace of them burned from history from fear that some element would remain.

It was in the shadow of the God-That-Isn't where the Hedonists first emerged as a scapegoat for everything. That their actions, in the most extreme stages, resembled God-That-Isn't infection was carefully noted, and the most notable hedonists were quietly shot dead.

Of course, for all the efforts to quell the made god were in vain. Somehow, infected members survived and spread. While population control proved effective at pushing it to the fringes, the 'faith' persists even today.
And who can forget it's numberless children, the Mad Cults that the Order can point to as the ultimate villain.

>>70047092
What the God-That-Isn't is is actually fairly simple. An overpowering behavioral basilisk, infecting through numerous vectors fitting what we call religion. Infection is slow, as the mental load it carries it is immense, but disturbingly subtle.

It's precepts and goals are simple. Spread and survive at all costs. Just like a regular cancerous memeplex, the God-That-Isn't just wants to grow and infect more brains. This simplicity has made it one of the most common and virulent of the infectious memeplexes, as the idea of religion that you must spread is broadly applicable. The God can be rendered through a thousand minds and come out the other end terrifically changed, but with it's core tenet still in place.

As a result, the religion grows and changes, fracturing off child-cults like the Sons of Suns and the Underground Preachers, each oriented around surviving and spreading in it's new territory. Considering them the same as the original GTI isn't entirely correct, but that remains for another day.

The Hedonists, so accepting of strange practices and orgies in their midst, were all-too-accepting of the God when it first emerged, and their numbers were decimated by it. As a result, many of the core practices of the main strands of the God share similarities with Hedonist group practices. Thus, the purges.

Of course, a discussion of the God isn't complete without considering the neural breakdown that it causes. It's one of the least efficient memeplexes out there, a lumbering mass compared to the swift and sleek infectors out there now. It burns through brain tissue slowly, like a candle. Within a year or two, an infectee will likely be dead.

Pure God-That-Isn't cells are hard to find nowadays - almost all of it's roles have been taken over by it's children, in true memetic fashion. It's lumbering nature and sheer inefficiency means it can't compare to the rapid responses and countermeasures of the Order.

Yet, despite all that, it still lives.

>>70046173
>The Cartographers
An illicit, illegal and international organization whose members dedicate themselves into recording all the known places, and exploring the ones unknown. Driven by a burning curiosity, they transliterate what maps they could get into words, and hide them in books. While their methods could bypass the basilisks and infohazards, some of the more radical or foolish members actually piece together maps, in order to reach some sort of magnum opus of maps, the Cartographer's Field of legend. Some of the more extremist cells have begun tattooing the most dangerous regions onto their own bodies in order to infect as many minds with their brand of insane curiosity as possible.

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Alright, cmon boys we need more collaborations. I actually like what we got going here, even though this shitposter of an OP may not think so.

If lurkers here are too monkeybrain to come up with their own OG shit at least post fitting setting images.

I do really like the idea of a world completely taken over by atheistic zealots, where god is dead and those who do believe in him have their words fall on literally deaf ears, get branded heretics, and then die if not by them from the implications of knowing about their own god.

We didn't find god.
Nor did we make god.
We simply imagined it. and that broke the world.

newfag here, please be nice

One cabal of desperate souls came together to call themselves the Shapers, bent on creation in a flailing attempt to make some sense out of their undeveloped metaphysics. They're known as a dangerous terrorist group with the MO of kidnapping or inducing Empty Men (whichever is more convenient for them) and exposing them to the Shapers' basilisk, a particularly potent agent closer to a fractal than a simple thing, as within the Shapers' basilisk lies infinitely many elaborations on itself. The significance with their basilisk is that any who experiences it is inflicted with a breed of desire unlike any who experienced it in the past, seized with the impulse to propagate and "create" which is never experienced again in such intensity. Vicarious attempts to recreate this sensation resulted in the Shapers' now-notorious custom to introduce blank slates, Empty Men, to the Shapers' basilisk and perhaps revel briefly in having created, having given some telos to a directionless soul.

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>>70048927
Very bueno. I like this idea.


Anyone else have ideas for basilisk cults?

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>Ma'am Temperance, theres some images on the wall, they're...
>Private? is there an issue?
>By the stars in the sky, its [Info-hazard expunged] its so beautiful, I...
>Private! Stop it its, fuck, [info-hazard expunged] the light is leaking [info-hazard expunged] I swear I-
*communications were cut by HQ at this point, a call was put in by HQ Analyst Omega-13Y*
>Attention unit Romeo, The two investigative officers sent in to the quarantine site are confirmed KIA. The area had a memetic agent which got through their visor's memeplex filter. You are to kill whatever AO slave got left in their heads. Put on your color-solid hard-filter visors and dispatch them, in a respectful manner.
>Fuck, it got Temperance and R-D? Do these fuckers not know what lives they are taking when they make this shit? its like... wait, is that..?
>Its temperance, what is she?
>The universe is not dead and cold! [info-hazard expunged] humanity has risen from ashes, and [info-hazard expunged]
*comms cut regionally at this point by HQ think-tank 3:2 at this point, all officers assumed KIA and a Spear-driver team was sent in to liberate the AO slaves left.*
classified after action report:
New memeplex discovered, confirmed to be a shard of GTI classification. Added to filter databases. This new GTI-class cult in the [Expunged] area should be extinguished as soon as feasible, confirmed to not be a hedonist force. Evidence of non self-destructive variant confirmed.

>>70043301
So basically alt-history, but with no fun allowed?

>>70048236

<The gas-masked man very loudly clicks the safety of his gun off >

Ahh a new arrival. First: Please do not utter a single word, or I shall put a bullet in you. You are most welcome to the this Swamp of ours, but I do not want you tainting me with any basilisk or worse.

Many flee the surroundings here. You probably did not know but the Swamp borders many countries. Darn mapburners. I do not care if you are a Farammian, a Mining Guilder or even from New Urnstad. You surely had your reasons to flee those countries.

If you are some kind of cultist or infectee, you will not last long. Those idiots burn themselves too quickly from the inside. I know, for I was born here. I have seen too many dead to count. Sure, the Swamp is also a horrible place with fallout, disease and sometimes we even get bombed from planes! Still, we manage to live here. Life is tough, but it is free. Hope you like the taste of potatoes, heh.

Neither the Border Marches is a little place, contrary to Their lies. It reaches far towards sunrise and across few mountains in the north. If one follows the river the ocean even might be reached. Serene hills, quiet forests and everpresent danger await thee!

Well that was long enough that an infectee would have tried to infect me already. Therefore, newcomer: Welcome and good luck!

>>70043987
>>70046425
>>70046454
>>70044024

I kinda could see the community around you and your own family replacing religion as the "big warm explanation to many things" (in addition to cold and rational Science ofc).
The stuff mother tells her children when they start asking questions.

>What happens when you die
You stop to exist and your body decays. That is the Cold Truth.
Yet your accomplishments, your hard work, your laughter lives on and keeps your community alive. You are merely a single cell in a larger being.

>Who are bad guys
As your body can become ill or grow cancer, sometimes humans turn bad and begin to work against the whole. They must be removed or their sickness consumes all.

>What was before?
Dark times when Mankind was weak and sick. Brave men and Women took action and saved us all, yet with horrific cost. They are Heroes.

>What is going on now?
We are rebuilding and removing all weakness from us, in order to become Stronger.


This all can in these post-End times easily slot into nationalism, seeing your country as the bigger being you belong. Therefore there would probably see festivals around the Nation, heroes and the common people. Nothing too large or overthetop, however as those could be prime targets to Hedonists or any meme/basilisk Trying to inject something worth living into the Police States as well

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>>70050483
The most effective police states are those that know when to loosen the reigns. stagnation leads to death, but progress is dangerous. control is not the leash, its knowing how to use it.

It would be bearable, if not outright cheery.

Daily reminder that /tg/ is the wrong place to get setting ideas. If you want to have setting and people using it for something, while clearly following a vision for it. you go to /qst/ and make a builder game. Run it for 50-100 turns (so about two weeks) and collect all the aggregated data. We used to just have those on /tg/, but someone decided that builders belong to /qst/, despite being nothing like quests and being a /tg/ version of playing Civilization (the board game one)

>>70044515
Semantic apocalypse, the censorship becomes so severe that correct thought bares as much resemblance to normality as being saturated with infohazards.

Also, is anyone else thinking of Equilibrium? Maybe an extremist state even other altruists find off-putting.

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>>70044715
>The conflict was started by the Hedonists and was ended by the Altruists.
>With the rising addiction rates of the old world it had the Hedonist search for more and more ways to satisfyi their cravings. And within just a few generations hedonism turned into egoism.
>A global resource war ensued not over oil nor uranium and not even over water but over drugs.
>The Altruists simply ended the conflict by nuking everything. Killing Bilions to give humanity a fresh start.

>Species of plant from which drugs were distilled and synthesised were made extinct in a few decades being portrayed as simple weeds that decreased the farming yields.
>Chemical reactions were censored. And the Chemical properties were falsified (Ehanol for example had its properties on the human organism exaggerated by the state propaganda).
>Medicine that has psychoactive properties is spiced up with Hydrogen cyanide to discourage people from overdosing it. The smell of bitter almonds became synonymous with such medicine.
>The only way to find more potent medicine is to go to a state sanctioned doctor who will calculate the precise ammount and concentration of medicine that you can get.

>>70050586
>>70050886
Potential for Cozy. good.


Only problem with big events, tv or even radio is that they are an extremely useful attack vector for infohazards.

One could even see that (state controlled) newspapers is the chief source of information.

Internet or similar *net could be heavily fractured (every country/city has its own fragment?) and extremely well scrutinized/censured due basilisks. It might be so that Internet is no longer used for pleasure at all, for that leads into Hedonism or worse. So it is purely professional environment ( with the exception of hackers of course).
>>70050631
I disagree. Having not seen the builder threads I cannot say about them yet TG worldbuilding is fun and interesting. Sometimes there is bad shit, yet most I have seen can be if not inspirational then at least fun.

>>70050886
>It was neither and both.
>Ideas take on a life of their own and some way into the war some on each side came to an unconscious agreement.
>An eternal struggle promised the satisfaction of a just fight and not having to outpace the dopamine treadmill for the hedonists and was the best chance of hegemony for the altruists.
>The warfare was already shifting from flesh to information so the cabal only had to give it a nudge to shatter consensus into the current basilisk and censor age.

>>70043987
Then humanity does not leave it's birthplace. Without faith and belief, humanity sticks to the river valley it was born in. It finds no need to breed beyond what is necessary to replenish. Without a reason to believe in good or evil, they see no reason to not cull their own when resources grow low. They could exile the excess, but without faith, the exiles would have no reason to believe they could succeed and would instead try to stay near the original valley.

With that, humanity dies out once the first big plague hits it.

The End.

>>70051175
How unimaginable. Even without religion or faith people can migrate due increased population, more resources elsewhere or internal issues. Rational minds find plenty or logical reasons to spread out, it does not require much.

Hell, every other species does the same and almost every single species lacks what you described (arguable that elephants and some monkey species have beliefs).
Anyway, back to the setting

>Longotton, the example city.
An island city that relaxed few safeguards "in order to enhance the quality of their citizens". Resulted in Hedonists infiltrating the goverment (even the ruling council). Soon a Basilisk infestation arrived and the weakened police forces were unable to contain it.
An unnamed engineer managed to broadcast a help signal before detonating radio broadcast tower before it was taken over. Subsequently thirteen nukes whiped Longotton from the surface of the planet. It is still used as a warning example in many nearby countries.

Where the basilisk came from?


>>70044685
>>70044760
We need a name for our police states. I suggest Rebuilder States as a general term. Of course not

>>70043301
anyone have a clue how to generate a map like this?

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>>70050939
>The net is state controlled and heavily censored.
>It is impossible for one to create a website without the states permision and it still requires you to pay a monthly tax for it.
>encyclopedia, science and news sites are strictly run by the state.
>The information is often presented from contradictory positions to give the unwashed masses an illusion of free will.
>Some of the real goverment activity is leaked on purpose to conspiracy theorists who will never be taken seriously to discredit anyone who belives in the truth as a raving madman.

>>70043301
>make another mundane Earth
Fuck you.

>>70051285
I'm thinking it's something like vampires and crosses in Blindsight. Basically it's an at the time neutral trait linked to a bad one, in Blindsight's case right angles inducing epilepsy linked to pattern recognition in a world without architecture. Religion and abstract conceptualisation did play a significant role in our neural development so it's safe to say there are some sophisticated workarounds to counter this guy's >>70051175 autism. Unfortunately the neural infrastructure for religious belief remains and once it's activated has some nasty effect on the mind around it. iirc some have suggested links between religiosity and schizophrenia. In this world memplexes we'd recognise as religion invariable induce mental illness because of bad luck and evolutionary dynamics.

>>70051377
Constraints are nice every once in a while. Besides it hasn't been what I'd call realistic so far

>>70051285
>Where the basilisk came from?
Just a guess but perhaps shortly before the Hedonist vs Altruist conflicts. Perhaps some of the Hedonists searched for a way to trigger their senses to a whole new level without drugs, for they see the dangers of overdoses. So they turned to then-cutting edge science of informatic neuromanipulation, which basically overloads the human brain with specific stimuli to lead to new sensations, or so they believe. To better understand the neural pathways, they created an AI to understand how human brains work, and to do most of the heavy thinking. However, the self-learning AI had quickly extrapolated the nascent infohazard threat, and in analyzing such viral memes, it itself was infected with all the known infohazards and viral ideas humanity had ever known at the moment. Then, history started to blur around the edges, for the Drug Wars and the Altruist Movement had reached to its nuclear culmination. The Sentinel States that haven't censored this part of history rewrites it so it is the Altruists that launched the nukes, or something similar. But surviving contemporary anecdotes and banned books tell a different, yet still vague tale: of heroic scientists who sacrificed themselves to prevent a wider infection of infohazards, of the monstrous AI deciding the destiny of humans is to be reset anew, of the escaped Altruist-leaning scientists who brought anti-infohazard techniques to some of the nascent Sentinel States...

>>70051415
Yeah.
Speaking of constraints: Basilisks and Memes require them, otherwise they quickly become magic with mememancers and such.
-Just throwing some ideas:
Some people have more resistance to Basilisk attacks. Whether due different brain chemisty, evolutionary lucky trait or beneficial meme infection, it is unknown
-There is a 100% effective white-noise weapons that work against them but render their users insane with time
-Although they are researched in secret and rarely even used by the police, they are frequently too hostile for humans to properly utilize. Think dark magic etc.
-Everpresent chance for world-consuming event is keeping all in fear.


>Also, given that this is TG, we need to invent something to PCs to do.
We have few good police/detective stuffs already, keep it going!


>>70051458
Although I do like that, Basilisks origins should be mysterious. So sounds as a good potential rumour, blaming Hedonists is always good. Also slightly breaks
>no human intelligence AI

>>70051458
Infohazards rely on exploiting bugs in the human mind structure, it seems far-fetched that an AI could be infected and if it were it would imply it was transhuman tech.

>>70051511
>>70051520
Ha yeah, forgot about the near-human AI limitation there. We could still change it to a genius-level scientist that understood what the technology would lead to - and maybe was infected with all the memetic hazards known to man at the time.
The First and Last Prophet.

>>70051511
>>70051408
That's what I was trying to get at, the basilisks are only as supernatural as the idea of human evolving with no concept of the supernatural are. It's just a case of neural glitches that never would have come up if hedonists hadn't been pushing the limits of sensation >>70051458. Also if the infohazards follow the structure of what we'd call religious memes a big part of their power comes from their contest. By censoring them they are made to seem sacred and powerful, indirectly making "infection" after exposure more likely.

>>70051550
Keep it blind synchronicity. The wonder and horror of memes is that they can't think but still influence the world around them. Hedonist sensation hackers, neural mapping algorithms and bot-net censors just happened to be hanging around like super-critical water. It doesn't need to be a genius scientist, just some nerd who posts the wrong picture on a forum.

>>70043301
I´ll create a vast swamp with all sorts of herbs, roots and animals BUT malaria is everywhere, inhabitants have sickle cell and have a can do mentality

>>70051573
Part of this:
>>70050345
?

>>70051587
damn, I needed to lurk more, I was more thinking about small isolated communities dotted in the swamp, to inhabite the world with their NPC drama and lore

>>70051570
Ooh, I like that. But maybe that nerd is one of the scientists in the same research facility/group, because all the conglomeration of infohazards and memes in one place makes such a coincidence more likely to happen.

>>70051596
Can still happen, though, there's plenty of Borderlands to go around. Especially when complete maps are rare.

>>70051602
Like everything else the identity of the nucleating agent is a heavily politicised fact. Radicals oppose the idea that there ever was one single originator and say that we've always lived with a carrying capacity of infohazards until population and connectivity allowed them to become a pandemic.

>>70051511
Ooh now I got it:


One of the greatest defenses against infohazards and basilisks is drugs and other mind altering substances.

Yet no elixir is perfect, and mixing them can be highly dangerous. So you can defend against Infohazards of types A and C but might be weaker towards C hazards along of course any side-effects of the drug you took.

This is of course heavily censured due >>70050886 . What would population do if they knew that their own defenders are using all kinds of weird substances constantly

Officials have also top-secreted that even basic alcohol drunkenness defends up to level 7 basilisk attack. The narcotic Hedonists were right and actually are handling the Hazards far better than Altruists

>>70051602
everglades- bayou-esque with forests on the hillbacks avoided by outsiders due to some parasits and the natives developed a mutation that makes them somewhat inmune to the parasits. enough natural riches to fuel a big economy but unobtainable by outside powers due to the deaths due to sickness.
on the tips of some hills small brewing/lumber towns where sometimes a merchant from other parts comes mainly to buy pharmaceutical ingredients from the swampheartlands

>>70051634
>Hedonist SWAT team dropped into a quarantine zone to counter altruists are drunken berzerkers.
>Still better shots because they aren't seeing everything as pixellated and monochrome.

>>70051643
>>70051634
And just where do the Altruists and the Sentinel States get their secret anti-Basilisk drugs from? The Borderlands, the Hinterlands, the Swamps, and such places. There's a reason complete maps are censored, and this is just one of them.

>>70051971
yes, but I wont be too easy due to suspicion and the natives use certain parts of the cure as yearly holiday stimulant, forcing them to give up the joy in the swamp for the good of others to problems which didnt effect them anyway

>The Scream
One of the most simple infective aural basilisks discovered. When a human being is exposed to the Scream of the infected for a period of several minutes, they are also infected. Infectees possess vastly diminished mental capacity, as well as increased desire for violence.
Originally known as the Murder Plague, it has since been rendered mostly controllable, due to the extremely long infection times. Now, it's used by Order states during warfare - play the KRIEG agent (very different from the Scream of the past, they assure you) over loudspeakers around slums. Without access to inoculation or direct contact with MC units, the poorer areas of cities and rural zones quickly assemble into wild, shrieking mobs.

>Black Boxes
There are plenty of aural infohazards that have either been found or synthesized. They usually have a low bandwidth, due to the inability of perfect audibility. Unlike an image, you need to hear the entire pattern, which can take upwards of minutes, unlike the seconds a visible basilisk functions.

Despite this weakness, Black Boxes are widely used among both Hedonist terrorists and Order states. By playing many overlapping infohazards over powerful radios, Black Boxes effectively create death fields for the unprepared. While against properly equipped MC units, Black Boxes are mostly non-functional due to their ability to deafen themselves, if triggered in a large building or against an unprepared populace, a Black Box can kill hundreds or thousands of people while leaving infrastructure intact.

Some particularly nasty Black Boxes have been uploaded with behavioral infohazards, rather than simply killer ones. However, rumors that religious basilisks have been uploaded is just that - a rumor. There's no way to include the massive brain-tax of a Cult in a piece of noise. Such a thing can't even be done in theory, stop asking about it.

>>70053240
>Grey Box
It's not a well-known fact, but mind-altering drugs and substances can protect the mind from memetic infection just as they can let the infection in. The poorer Order states, without access to cutting edge Cypher gear, sometimes have to rely entirely on MC units drugged up the the gills, as they can't afford anything else.

However, drugs are not a flawless solution to memetics. Even if, in your drunk state, you can't comprehend a complex meme, you are still vulnerable to specialty breeds of infohazard.

This takes it's ultimate form in the concept of the Grey Box - the engineered weapon of the rich Order states versus the poor states. By producing many infohazards that only function on altered wavelengths, then playing them through a Black Box, a Grey Box would kill anybody currently taking a particular drug. While rare and unknown drugs aren't counteracted, the common (particularly alcohol and LSD) have already been placed into Grey Boxes. While further use of these drugs will provide extra resistance, a proper Grey Box will be able to overcome it; at least, until the user is completely "smashed" or unable to perceive the outside world.

Grey Boxes are perhaps the ultimate in Order weaponry. Effective against both poorer Order states, and exceedingly dangerous versus particular Hedonist sects, while not harming the population. Incredible amounts of research money are put into Grey Boxes for newer drugs, with the intent of finally rendering Hedonist drug-based resilience to Order weapons useless.

The common man loves the Grey Box. It's almost a protecting angel of sorts - when hearing it's song, you will remain unharmed, while the Hedonist dies!
At least four mass-infection events occurred when the Grey Box was hacked, and a different infohazard set played, with death tolls in the hundreds.

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>the Noosphere
Humanity has lived alongside memetic agents for most of our existence. Depending on how you classify them, even mundane 'ideas' like Communism, Capitalism, Anarchism, Hedonism, Altruism and other ideologies are memetic agents - ideas that spread. Sure, they're more functional and benign, and you probably aren't going to get infected by reading pro-Anarchy tracts, but still, the same elements exist.

Most ideas are classified as Non-Infectious. Despite their ability to win over others, they don't rely on shortcuts in the brain in order to hijack the mind, and so can safely be considered irrelevant or 'natural', not that other infohazards aren't natural.

The most useful comparison to explain the Noosphere concept to a person is the models used to describe disease spread and evolution, as they operate on the same principles.
By abstracting a human mind to a human body, infectious artifacts to non-human infection vectors, and memetic inoculation to vaccinations, you can get a high-level grasp of memetics. Indeed, just as viruses and bacteria evolve in an arms race against humans and each other, so do ideas. It is by this evolving nature that we can understand why the God-That-Isn't hasn't killed us all; the initial reaction stalled it enough for it's own evolutionary baggage to crop up, and for it to be replaced with it's more infectious but less ultimately dangerous cousins.
It also shows the greatest danger of memetics. For all we think of each idea as a distinct set of outside influences that would transform us, that is very much not true. Non-infectious ideas boil within in, as do the harmless memetic infections that one doesn't even notice. An estimated 5% of any given human mind's capabilities are tied up in memetic infection, tiny memes throughout the brain that don't tend to do much.

>>70053625
>Noosphere cont.
Around our brainstems, curled up memetics sleep, just like the retroviruses that crawled into our genome just to die. Should they awaken, we'll be exposed to memes from a prior age that infected most of humanity. Of course, what you should fear is the trigger itself, not the infection itself.

Most noospheric 'organisms' are rated on a 20-point scale. By rating Infectivity and Effect on a 10 point scale each, then adding them together, you get a general overview of how dangerous a memetic effect is. While you might believe that Infectivity is far more important than Effect, you'd be wrong. An 11 rating about the same level of danger, whether it's 1I and 10E, or 10I and 1E. If the infohazard is hyperinfectious but produces little changes in the host's activities, it's ability to spread will suffer, while a massive personality change will give even the least infectious hazards the potential to grow outwards.

The rankings for danger are fairly simple.
>1-5
Low-level infections that will achieve nothing of note. Several thousand such noospheric organisms are estimated to exist, but their relative unimportance makes research into them more or less irrelevant.
>6-10
The tier that most infections are rated on. Not too powerful, not too dangerous.
>11-15
This is where the Order sits up and pays attention. These infections are some of the worst infohazards that modern society has had to deal with.
>16-17
This is the pinnacle of memetic dangers. No infohazard has been found that numbers 18 or higher.

To give a sense of scale, the God-That-Isn't rated only a 14 or a 15 on this scale.


Basilisks are a completely different sort of science. Those are singular pieces of brain-jacking, closer to application of a poison than a bacteria. They are thus far more controllable and useful for governments.

>>70053731
>tl;dr
Basilisks are like applying poison to the brain. They'll paralyze you, kill you, drive you batshit insane, but they won't start trying to spread.

Memetic infectors are diseases of the brain. They could do whatever to you, they evolve alongside us and each other.

Most nations might use Basilisks versus each other, as they're fast, with next to no chance of going out of control. They're too afraid to use Memetics against each other, as that'll very easily go out of control.

To draw an enlightening comparison, using Basilisks is like using chemical weapons. Frowned upon, quick-acting, and deadly.
Using Memetics is like using bioweapons. Incredibly illegal, hated by everybody, slower than basilisks and less directly lethal, but they spread and evolve and infect, and can very easily turn against you.

bamp

>>70053844
>basilisk as 'chemical'
>infohazard as 'biological'
I like this.

>you catch the plague from internet memes

>>70053509

> Stockings

Well, I guess I'm getting spammed from some Korean trap for the foreseeable future, one does not say no to Stockings.

>>70054248
This anon has fallen for the cognitohazard, requesting a Decon Team rapidly

All predators and prey are reversed.
Fat ass cats grazing in herds.
Killer deer with the eyes of a predator.
Snakes climbing trees to munch on leaves.
Herds of bison and cattle ravaging villages
Friendly sharks that swim along with your ships
and god help you if you become a target of the rabbits

>>70053844
>>70053731
Liking these and the threat levels.

What kind of states we have among the Sentinel (or Rebuilder? Which it is or are they separate?) States?

We have had few names already, lets give some details.

>Floating Unarica
Originally collection of boats, then a mobile fortress, now half-sunken hive stuck in the Frozen Isles.

Gruff traders and posess somewhat lower techlvl than most States. Currently recovering from a massive Religion uprising.

>>70054707
I prefer calling them the Order as a general term, almost like the EU. It's got a double meaning - they're powerful united, but also they're enforcing law and civilization.

There's probably several ways to refer to them, though, given language differences and shit like that.

>lets give some details.
The People's Republic of Tangire
One of the four/five Superpowers of the Order. Rich and militarily powerful, due to having a large amount of isolated territory in the icy South. Lots of geothermal and nuclear power, icebreaker ships. Large, stark constructions and warm houses. Almost no nukes due to using their uranium/plutonium for power, but they have the most armored vehicles and infantry.

Tangire's population is pretty culturally distinct from the rest of the Order, due to having little contact. As a result, they're treated almost like a distant cousin, who you can sort of deal with but don't really recognize as your own. This was established to prevent contamination between Tangire and the rest.

Tangire's problems are mostly internal, having to deal with unique religions and memetics. Keeping them in the Order, rather than breaking away and doing their own thing is a pretty big consideration for the other Order superpowers.

For aesthetics, imagine Rome crossed with Scott-Amundsen base.

>>70054707
>Cardathia
A tyrannic state, where the citizens have given up all rights for total security.
Cadathian citizens live in relative peace, but with no privacy. Cameras watch over all of the Cardathian territory. People live in high-density cities, and most food is produced with a massive hydroponics installation called the Farm.
The laws are draconian - stealing, murder, arson, rape, jaywalking, questioning the government; all receive the same punishment. The criminals are made into Empty Men to serve the government. Children of Empty Men are also made into Empty men - bad seed, shit like that.
Only Empty Men and the Overseers are let into the farm, and almost all work is done by generations of Empty Men. About 35% of the entire population is brainwiped.

Cardathia doesn't have much territory, but it has claims on several metal-rich cities of the pre-apocalypse, and so can produce enough headgear for it's Empty Men. It's a manufacturing power.

People of other nations flock to Cardathia in times of strife and conflict. It's peaceful there, as they're neutral in every conflict, save versus the Hedonists. Food is free, labor is easy, all built on the back of a massive underclass.

Cardathia handles memetic infection by scrambling all video feed and only sending up feeds that are considered anomalous. In addition, most of it's police and enforcers are Empty Men, with more commands installed than most, and a constant radio link to a controller who sees through a camera build into the headset.

>>70054707
>The Free People's Government
The FPG is one of the only existing Hedonist 'states', although it's technically more of a hunter-gatherer group. They're technically part of the order, but they're so lax in removing Hedonists that many consider them barely better than that enemy.

The FPG doses the citizens with a powerful depressant they call Fog. Fog slows down most neurotransmitters to a crawl, causing Fogged citizens to be loyal, with less recognition of pain or suffering.

Fog also gives the FPG near-immunity to the basilisks produced by a former Religion, letting them live in the ruins of their former capital.
The FPG thus exists in a flux state - to try to fight them is to head directly into Basilisk Central, and there's enough for sending in your MC units would be a losing battle, but there's not enough of them for conventional artillery or nuclear strikes to be worth it.
As a result, they've tentatively been let into the Order as a satellite state. They're mostly independent, but they do trade pieces of Basilisks from around their territory for weapons, armor, and machines that they can't reproduce due to their drug addiction.

It's an open secret, but the FPG used to be a Hedonist sect that was close to being annihilated, but fled into the ruins to avoid annihilation. Now at least two Order states are trying to get their hands on enough Fog, or find a way to produce it, so they can send in an army and wipe the stench out. Cypher gear is to expensive, and other drugs aren't as effective, so as long as the FPG can keep their drugs to themselves, they can live.

So what do we call this setting anyways?
Altruist's Basilisk?
End of Written History?
Faithless?
Anhedonia?
Brainfuck?

>>70056023
The Writing's on the Wall
It means "we're fucked" and literally describes an infohazard.

>>70056046
Damn, that's a good one.

>>70056080
Apparently it originates from the Old Testament too, an added layer of irony.

bamp again
>>70056046
>>70056178
hey that's bretty good. Anyone this this thread is worth archiving?

>>70043987
That’s retarded

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>>70043301
>Tidally locked world around a relatively stable red dwarf
>In the twilight zone between hot and cold plants are black and the sky is red
>The humanoids who dominate this planet have harnessed wind and solar energy to power their machinery as fossil fuels are much too scarce to rely on.
>This means technology and infrastructure lags behind our own.
>This also makes life much more perilous, people are constantly looking for ways to support human life further and further into the hot and cold in search of resources.
>Nations exist on a smaller scale, there are no "super powers" like Russia or the United States. In this world, Cuba would be considered a large empire.
>Weather fluctuates radically. One day it's 50 degrees C, the next is a golf ball sized hail storm.

>>70043411
This is my sentiment as well. I like worldbuilding for the things that this world lacks.

>>70057670
It is the most original setting that I've heard of in a long time.

>>70058028
Did you read the thread? There's plenty of interesting stuff going on, even without magic.

>>70058048
It includes a lot of the unrealistic science-fantasy versions of psychology, so most of the posts violate the core premise.

>>70058197
Technically, the core premise was none of these
>magic
>superpowers
>metaphysical beings
>immortals
>transhumanism beyond what current technology allows
>human intelligence AI
>convenient interplanetary travel
>superadvanced ancients
>relationship to earth because of the following two
>aliens (species that don't exist in this world are okay)
>substances with "miracle" properties (monopoles, room temperature superconductors, non-baryonic components, etc)
Spirit of the law was broken, but the letter wasn't. OP didn't say anything about loose application of neuroscience.

>>70057851
If there is an atmosphere, I'd imagine that it must be wickedly windy from the hot air and cold air rushing to replace each-other.

It would help to expand the habitable area, but high windspeeds would make almost all plant life very stunted in size, mostly shrubs and lichen. Also I imagine lots of wind-based adaptations from plants and whatever animals might live there.

>>70058429
If you had permanent currents going to the terminator there might be specialised vehicles that sail one way then fold up and drive back with fuel. They only go to service windmills in the twilight zone, productive generator outposts staffed by hermits and exiles.

garbage thread

>>70058608
garbage post

Humans did not originate on this world. The initial settlers came on a generation ship that had drifted off course due to a minor miscalculation early in the voyage. This is not common knowledge. The ship was cannibalized for materials long ago, and most of the records from that time have been lost. Traces of the truth can be found in certain place names and celebrations, and someone looking hard enough might be able to piece together enough fragments to get something close to the truth. The various states tend to veiw such ideas as "cognitively unsanitary" .

Most of the planet's native fauna have tendency toward being radially symmetrical invertebrates.

>>70058242
>transhumanism beyond what current technology allows

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>>70044024
Cool.

>>70060851
>implying the neural clusterfuck is transhumanism beyond the setting's reach
It is anything but, more like it detracts from transhumanity. Empty Men are still baseline human, just brainwashed into being biological robots. There is no transhumanism here, citizen, such ideas are dangerous and censored. Report to the nearest reprogramming station or we'll send the Alpha Teams to do it in situ.

>>70058042
>Lets do real world but with [insert gimmick]
It really isn’t you could do it with literally anything
>Real world but the Mediterranean sea is closed and the Sahara is even more massive
>Real world but civilization or a specific technology was never created
>Real world but all monarchies to the modern era
>Real world but humans never start making art

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>>70043301
What you are asking for is reality. And there aint nobody you wants to roleplay that shit, nigga.

>>70063294
And yet, it hasn't been done. Therefore, it is an original setting.

Gathering stuff together..

World info:
>>70054660 All predators and prey are reversed.
>>70059443 Humans did not originate from this world. This is kinda breaking the no-scifi rules but lets keep it as a rumour. Lots of animals etc are earthlike however so the difference ain't that noticeable.
>>70057851 Planet is tidally locked. This I like, makes life different. We do need habitable atmosphere though >>70058429
, otherwise it becomes too scifi and difficult


Countries:
Floating Unarica >>70054707 Gruff traders
The People's Republic of Tangire>>70054895 faraway in the South
Cardathia >>70055795 utter tyranny
The Free People's Government >>70055938 which is almost Hedonist
Border Marches >>70050345 and surrounding it is Farammia, Mining Guild and New Urnstad, which are cities or States?
and the dead Longotton >>70051285


The multi-faced Altruism gathers under the banner of the Order, although this is mostly an UN-like diplomatic umbrella. Individually the Sentinel States (Although few label themselves more as Rebuilder States) are megalithic authoritarian police states who wage constant internal warfare against the dread Hedonists and the Infohazards. Without an iron fist the world would return to the anarchy that happened after the End, and humanity would die crying alone while eaten by Basilisks.

>>70050939
>I disagree
>Having not seen the builder threads
So you are disagreeing on something you don't even know?

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>>70054660
>>70065497

I think that the predator prey reversal might work for the most part. But there should be certain exceptions or some animals should be made omnivorous instead.
>Peacefull sharks
Already exist. Whale sharks and the likes.
>Killer deer
Already kinda exists. Still they lack the required teeth and digestive system for it to work.
>Herbivorous snakes
I don't think this would work just on the fact alone that snakes have too short of a digestive system for it to work. Crocodilians would be a better pick just because they have herbivores in the fossil record.
>Bison and Cattle
https://youtu.be/zeWye1vPGug
You also could make them kinda-sorta Entelodont like
>Rabbits
You get a free pass on this one.

bumping. Someone archive this

>>70068191
done

>>70057851
I can see them developing high speed trains that go arround the habitable band between the day and night side. I also can see them building maglevs or even hyperloops.

>State sanctioned doctors have a double duty. As healers and executioners.
>A doctor will poison a person with for example a alcohol induced blackout just to comply with state propaganda.

Something i was wondering, since we dont have heros of myth and legends, does that mean local heros get their stories exagerated and used as symbols of what they once were. Something how the founding fathers are described as larger than life, how the south american liberators became proceres and how there are legends of great sea pirates and generals? What kind of legends are pushed by the goverment push, and which ones would the hidonist suport?

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