It makes me feel bad tho.

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>>70484730
Think about it like this, you get control over the story. You can make any decision no matter how harsh and it doesn't matter because it's just your alignment. You wouldn't get mad at a bumble-bee for stinging you would you?

I love playing specifically Chaotic Evil characters because they're completely crazy and unhinged. They'll do anything if it entertains them or benefits them. They might play nice if they have no other choice. But give them even an inch, and they'll take a country mile.

And people respect evil characters, because evil characters don't put up with bullshit. Why do you think no one fucks with a character like the Joker? Because Joker is an insane clown and he'll fuck your shit sideways just for shits and giggles.

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Do us all a favor and keep playing DnD so we don't have to deal with you in real games.

>>70484871
Nobody fucks with the joker because he's got plot armor nigger

>>70484710
Wasn't there already a thread like this?

>>70484710
>3. YOU ACTUALLY GET TO HAVE AGENCY IN THE GAME
Basically the only point I agree with, but even then, only because most GMs are shitty. Everything else is just edgy and lame, always, because you're clearly playing "evil" characters like an edgy teenager plays evil characters. An actual good way to behave as an evil character is calculated and shrewd (Regardless of whether or not you're playing lawful.), or else things devolve into just tedious, petty bullcrap.

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>>70484710
>I like playing evil characters because FUCK the other players, this is about me now
Yeah, nah, yer a cunt
Evil campaigns can be fun though.

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>>70484908
You say that now, but you wouldn't be if the joker was real. He'd pop into your bedroom like the boogeyman and dress your mother up like a clown before fucking her right on top of her. And then he'd put a bullet in her head and make some corny joke before laughing maniacally and jumping out the window with a silly clown parachute.

>>70484915
>I made a thread yesterday with the same sort of theme. But I didn't really get into WHY being evil rocks
I guess being a hero means you're unable to read the written word. How sad.


>>70484963
>An actual good way to behave as an evil character is calculated and shrewd
>An actual good way to behave as an evil character is
>An actual good way to behave as an evil character
>An actual good way to behave

Oh Anon, there is no good way to behave when you're being evil. That's half the fun of it. You're the x factor in a game filled with goody two-shoes simps who just blindly go along with whatever the dm says.

>>70485073
>nah, yer a cunt
Why thank you, I'm so glad you noticed!

Let darkness find it's sad ways, Let's go back to good old bad days, No more foolish acts of kindness..

>>70484871
>>70484710
Tabletop gaming is a two way street. You have to at least try to play the game and compromise with the DM. Obviously if the DM isn't allowing you any agency, you leave, because that's not a game, that's the DM masturbating.

However, if you're just murdering NPCs because you aren't currently the centre of attention, if you play like a crazy clown who kills random people for giggles, then you have to accept the consequences - For better or worse, the GM is the arbiter of the world around your character, and while he can't (or shouldn't) ever take away control from you, he can make that world into a very suddenly lethal place by just... Not giving you the plot armour that you need to pull shit like that. Without plot armour, a character like the Joker ends up in a ditch very quickly.

If the GM is into it, that's one thing, but acting like playing a chaotic evil 'insane edgelord' character is some sort of power move for chads is dumb fucking nonsense, ESPECIALLY if you're playing it when you know full well it won't mesh with the rest of the party or the campaign. It's not going to make people respect you or think you're cool, it's just going to alienate your gaming buddies. Like, come on, just try to work with people.

I have attempted to avoid addressing the actual substance of such characters but I do just need to note that I really fucking hate that archetype. It's naruto levels of shallow edgewank with no depth or nuance, and more often than not used to justify acting like the internal fantasy world of an ADHD addled spaz with no social skills and an anger problem. You can do better, you can make a more interesting character.

I too was once a 13 year old

>>70485178
This is some serious fedoracore right here
I'm guessing you never got past wearing a trenchcoat to school

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>>70485227
>>70485253
>>70485295
The Dm premeditated an entire campaign and decided preemptively that I should fall in line with whatever scheme he's come up with to run the game. The Dm in this case is technically GOD. He created the entire world, let me repeat, THE DM CREATED THE ENTIRE WORLD.

AND YET HE STILL WANTS TO CONTROL MY CHARACTER!? Never! I'll see his fictional world crumble and burn!!

If he wants to PLAY GOD, THEN I'LL PLAY SATAN! The devil shall reign in this hell you've created!

CRAWLING IN MY CRAWL

>>70485355
The dm is also the one that puts in all the work. Feel free to dm if you want "unlimited power"
There's ways to subvert a railroad without going full spurg.
Showing up to a game with the only intention of being disruptive is rude and childish. Enjoy getting kicked and being forced to play with randos on roll20

>>70485355
>Sorry Dan, I hate to have to do this, but it just really just isn't working out and you're causing a lot of disruption which the other players aren't enjoying. I'd appreciate it if you could just bow out of this one gracefully until you've gotten over whatever issues you seem to have. Seriously, therapy isn't a bad word anymore. There's always a place for you at my table when you're ready to come back. Peace out.
You seem to be under the impression that any DM worth his salt hasn't had to deal with your particular brand of chuuni before. Hell, most of us have BEEN that particular brand of chuuni at one point. You grow out of it.

>>70485355
"Sorry anon. Your character is dead. Yes that golden dragon just blasted you. Anyway I don't think you should stay
In this campaign. Good luck on your next endeavors."
>*closes door*

>>70485355
Why not run a game yourself, if you don't want to trust the DM to make things fun for you?

>>70485429
Some people don't, apparently

>>70485454
I suspect that OP is, in fact, about 14 years old. He's still got time.

>>70484710
>By far one of the most annoying things in games is this idea of "oh we need to give mercy to the bad guys" kind of bullshit
You don't really need to be evil to not subscribe to this.
>YOU ACTUALLY GET TO HAVE AGENCY IN THE GAME
Get a better DM.

You were retarded in your last thread, you're retarded now. Everything you spew is tastelessly edgy and is in fact the reason why most GMs ban evil and chaotic neutral on principle. I sincerely hope, for the sake of other people, that you don't behave this way in real life.
Grow the fuck up.

>this many people falling for obvious bait
Fucking tourists, lmao

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>>70485178
>You say that now, but you wouldn't be if the joker was real. He'd pop into your bedroom like the boogeyman and dress your mother up like a clown before fucking her right on top of her. And then he'd put a bullet in her head and make some corny joke before laughing maniacally and jumping out the window with a silly clown parachute.
>Why thank you, I'm so glad you noticed!
It's been awhile since I've seen edge like this. I feel like it's a decade past and I'm reading screencaps from Deviantart.

>>70485178
>He'd pop into your bedroom like the boogeyman and
get instantly fucking deleted. 'Murica, baby.

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>>70485355
based

>>70485511
I mean. At leat this is somewhat better than "oh no realism" and "oh no, niggers" so i'll feed the fedoralord a bit.

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>>70485415
>>70485429
>>70485435
>>70485443
>>70485464
>>70485484
>>70485496
You've accused me of being naive and immature. But isn't it even more immature to believe in principles like kindness and human goodness? Don't you all realize that everyone is just out for themselves? If anything, I'm the honest one here. In childhood we idolize heroes. Only in adulthood do we realize the villains were right all along.

Join me in my reign of darkness, and we'll form a grand council of evil. If we all become evil the GM will have no choice but to submit to our demands. Soon we'll be the ones calling the shots, and making the big decisions. Instead of being pawns sent out into smelly rat-holes to deal with pest infestations by grubby nobles.

It's up to you. Submit and become the Dm's little bitch. Or stand up and reign supreme. The choice is obvious isn't it?

>>70485610
>You've accused me of being naive and immature
While true, I didn't say anything of the sort. Stop roleplaying and address my points if you're going to respond boy.

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>>70485610
If this is your idea of roleplay I would hate to play a game with you. wew lad

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>>70484710
Last game we threw GM's plans into disarray by establishing peace between humans and would-be-cannon fodder goblins. You don't need to be a murderhobo edgelord to be a force of change in the world.

>>70485365
Took me longer than I'd ever admit. Now my keyboard is ruined by the coffee I spurt through my nostrils.

>>70485634
Nigga has to roleplay in /tg/ threads because no one wants to play games with their shit attitude. Just let him have this.

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>>70485634
Which points were those? That we should put a blanket ban on anything evil? All the more proof that gm's are simply power hungry and want to dominate their players.
Keeping them docile like sheep with outdated ideals like morality and kindness.
Or perhaps the points where they threatened to kick me out because they didn't like how I behaved in a fictional setting? Funny how good people always preach about "accepting everyone" until it's a person they don't like.

>>70485694
Being evil is about POWER. It's about not subscribing to the sheep mentality. It's about giving yourself agency in a world built by a mad-god. You play the role of a demon, because only a demon has a chance of thriving in this hellhole the dm created. A hole ravaged by monsters and war.

Your characters life is on the line. And you need to defend yourself by any means necessary. Only a sheep would fall in line and leave it all up to the roll of a dice.
Those who aren't cowards take fate into their own hands.

"the shopkeepr offers you 5gp to clear the rats from the basement"
>I stab him in the eye and fuck his wife lol!
"the town guard hear screaming and club you to the brink of death. Then they spend turns buttfucking you in the dungeon and the leave you to die of assrot and gangrene"

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>>70485610
>Don't you all realize that everyone is just out for themselves?
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT MOTHERFUCKER

We live in a world of shitty grey nuances at best, or an outright individualistic despotic hellscape at worst; fantasy makes Good and Evil actual, tangible phenomenon on par with the fundamental forces of the universe, perhaps even stronger as once could consider narrative forces to be stronger than physics when need be.

The entire point of the evil alignment is to live in a world where being good actually secures you a spot in a cool afterlife and blesses your life, and STILL be enough of a cunt to spit in the face of all that just to grab some additional power.

Your pseudo-subversive rhetoric undermines all that in favor of a portrayal of evil characters as either englightened cynics or self-righteous lunatics, which is a complete travesty. Do you think that a true evil villain's proper answer to a Good and Noble hero calling them out is "well, ah, you see, this is human nature, and no one's really a hero, y'know"? NO YOU BLACK HOLE-GRADE DENSE MOTHERFUCKER. A proper answer is an unceremonious SWORD TO THE FUCKING SKULL.

Also, evil doesn't unionize you dipshit. If you trust notorious backstabbers enough to associate with them, you deserved the inevitable dagger that'll grow out of your back. "Grand Evil Councils" aren't a thing; Grand Councils that are actually controlled by an evil mastermind, however? That works, but one would need to pretend that they're good to pull it off - which you clearly aren't.

And I won't even adress this "let's make the DM submit krkrkrkrkr" bullshit. Fallen cathedrals and all that. The DM cannot be the enemy, it doesn't even begin to make sense.

God damn you're stupid. Stop giving Evil a bad name, let us scheme and torture, and go back to your containment alignment, you self-aggrandizing Chaotic Neutral special snowflake murderhobo wannabe.

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This thread is the funny kind of stupid, keep going OP

>>70485940
I'm only wondering if it's bait or if he's actually this much of a genuine edgy goof. I'm really really hoping it's the latter.

>>70485178
If Joker was real he’d be suicided the 2nd time he went to jail at the latest. Ruber, on the other hand, is an excellent villain.

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>>70485879
>a portrayal of evil characters as either englightened cynics or self-righteous lunatics
I can be whatever I want. And it's not chaotic neutral, it's pure unadulterated evil. I'd just as easily run a sword through you as I would wax poetics about the philosophical quandaries of life.


>Also, evil doesn't unionize you dipshit

Oh you simple fool. THIS IS WHY YOU ALWAYS LOSE. Because you don't join forces with likeminded individuals! Of course I realize they will inevitably betray me, but I need their firepower to overcome the heroes!

They'll be so busy fighting the heroes that they won't have time to bicker about who's really in charge. I don't have to be the best, I just have to convince them that I'm better than the alternative and I'll win!

>The DM cannot be the enemy
He always was. Because his quest ideas were too simple and basic. Ascribing us to low-powered adventurer positions rather than high-powered conquerers.

I don't want to HEAR about some conqueror far off kicking ass and taking names. I want to BE that conqueror! Those NPCs should be praising ME!

>Stop giving Evil a bad name
Rather an oxymoron isn't it?

>let us scheme and torture, and go back to your containment alignment, you self-aggrandizing Chaotic Neutral special snowflake murderhobo wannabe
You think the heroes will let you do that in peace? Only under my reign can you be free to do things like that.

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Imagine for a moment that we collectively start freeing prisoners and adding them to our army. We incorporate monsters, demons, dragons, and even EVIL GODS, into one consecrated legion of evil.

LEGIONS OF LICHES, UNDEAD, PIRATES, RAPISTS, SCUMBAGS. ALL COALESCE INTO THE ULTIMATE FORCE OF EVIL.

We'll charge swiftly, crushing smaller towns and capturing key points quicker than they'll be prepared. Then we'll poison their water supply, burn their crops, and torture civilians till they have no choice but to surrender!

>>70486289
The problem there spergo is that evil is inherently self-serving. Do you think the legions within evil empires are truly evil people themselves? Of course not, either they're tricked, trapped, or the empire is at the very least serving their interests in someway.

Under what leader would the demons, dragons, and gods of all things serve?

>>70486123
>Ascribing us to low-powered adventurer positions rather than high-powered conquerers.
>I don't want to HEAR about some conqueror far off kicking ass and taking names. I want to BE that conqueror! Those NPCs should be praising ME!
Why don't you just find a DM to play this campaign with or run it yourself? It's not like people don't do this already.

Good and evil are just a matter of perspective
What's regarded as good is always self-serving in some way
Doing away with the moral aspect altogether is no more interesting or powerful than being shepherded by a common notion of good

>>70486953
>What's regarded as good is always self-serving in some way
The fuck it is. Altruism is a thing which exists. People do things for the benefit of others for no gain all the time.
Unless of course you're one of those retards who think that the fact that you gain a sense of satisfaction from doing good things invalidates the good deed done, in which case I pity you.

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>>70486010
This dude is entirely new levels of chuuni. Absolutely shameless.

>>70485610
>But isn't it even more immature to believe in principles like kindness and human goodness? Don't you all realize that everyone is just out for themselves? If anything, I'm the honest one here. In childhood we idolize heroes. Only in adulthood do we realize the villains were right all along.
Generally it may be true that it is naive to believe that kindness has a power of its own. It is something that arises out of stable power relations.

>It's up to you. Submit and become the Dm's little bitch. Or stand up and reign supreme. The choice is obvious isn't it?
Yes, it is. Nothing good follows from standing up to the GM. The players only have the reign the GM grants them and can only make the best or the worst of it.

>>70487207
It's brilliant in its own way.

>>70487029
Altruism isn't a thing unto itself
Some people have a use for or enjoy doing "good"
If they didn't they wouldn't even be conscious of it
There's nothing wrong with that but let's be real

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>>70486803
If you're telling me to start my own campaign, doesn't it highlight a major problem with campaigns in general? Such as most campaigns conform to a rigid structure with limiting factors that force players into dungeons or caves to fight for NPC's who give worthless loot.

Imagine this, the DM introduces his DMPC who's super strong, and he's Mr. Big-dick-swinging and he's a hero and he's just an uber badass that all the townsfolk talk about and golly gosh isn't he just fucking special.

Makes me fucking sick. I want to be that badass. But instead I'm clearing out goblins for fucking peanuts. Putting my life on the line for nothing while this piece of shit is the great big hero for doing FUCKING NOTHING.

>>70487253
>Nothing good follows from standing up to the GM.

The Dm orders you to suck his dick, he promises to give you half a level up if you do. I mean it's beneficial right? You'd better go suck his dick if you wanna get ahead right?

>>70487410
For real, do you see gaming this way?

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>>70487453
I see everything this way. Being evil is the enlightened move to make. This world doesn't want to admit it, but being a villain allows you to get ahead.

Villains always win, nice guys finish last. You wanna become a fucking doormat? Become a niceguy, you'll get fucking trampled by the legions of villains like myself who have no problem stepping on the niceguy cockroaches crawling beneath our feet.

Scurrying around down their with their empty heads trying to complete the rat race in the most moral way possible as though it makes any difference. Well, I suppose it does make a difference, because it makes you easier to manipulate.

It makes you a more docile sheep for the bigger machine at large. You wanna get ahead in life? You wanna stop getting pushed around? Grow some balls and start pushing back. Show people that you're a fucking lion, and you'll EAT anyone who dares cross you. Watch as the opposition scatters to the wind.

>>70487029
>People do things for the benefit of others for no gain all the time.
Unless of course you're one of those retards who think that the fact that you gain a sense of satisfaction from doing good things invalidates the good deed done, in which case I pity you.
This is what some people think like and they are almost right. Enjoyment derived from doing good is good, but doing a good deed for the sake of enjoyment of it and not for the sake of the good itself is an imperfect motive. I guess this is why it is common in religion to strive for purification of ones motives by detachment even from ones good works.

>>70487410
>The Dm orders you to suck his dick, he promises to give you half a level up if you do. I mean it's beneficial right? You'd better go suck his dick if you wanna get ahead right?
That isn't a thing a GM can demand by virtue of being a GM. As far as roleplaying goes, the GM is the absolute ruler of his fictional universe the players are taking part in. If you want to play tabletop roleplaying games you have to accept that the GM is the narrator of the story and cannot be opposed in that without making the game impossible.

>>70487410
I've told you again and again, find better or more fitting games for you. There's nothing wrong with the humble dungeon crawl, but there are 100 other ways to play TTRPGS.

>>70487511
You can be kind and good without being weak. That's the whole point of heroes.

>>70487410
Okay, you've stopped being amusing and now you're just being stupid

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>>70487725
>That isn't a thing a GM can demand by virtue of being a GM
You don't think he'd try if he could get away with it?

>you have to accept that the GM is the narrator of the story and cannot be opposed in that without making the game impossible.
Well then being a player fucking sucks then. I can't be evil or do anything without the gm breathing down my neck about every little thing.
I want to be fucking evil dammit. I don't want to be a little goody-two-shoes! The gm wants to put me in a little box and tell me what I can and can't do, THEN WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT.

IF HE'S GOING TO DICTATE MY ACTIONS FOR ME AND CAUSE WHAT I DO TO AUTO-FAIL, THEN WHY EVEN FUCKING BOTHER. FUCK THIS FAGGOT GM AND HIS TINY MICROPENIS.

What an insecure piece of shit, the guy creates an ENTIRE FICTIONAL WORLD. THE ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING I HAVE CONTROL OVER. MY OWN FUCKING CHARACTER, AND THIS PIECE OF SHIT WON'T EVEN LET ME HAVE THAT.

FUUUUUUUUCK YOOUUUUU!!!!!!!!

>>70484710
Save the RPing for the games, dude. Or better yet, spare your poor DM the trouble and go for a walk to vent some steam. ...I like evil characters too, but you somehow manage to seem like an IRL tool with this weird take of yours.

>TFW My LE Conquest paladick is literaly Dr Doom
Im lovin it

All of this "if you don't have ABSOLUTE POWER as the world's BIGGEST MURDERRAPIST in your game of pretend with other grown men YOU ARE A KEK" grandstanding betrays a soul plagued by feelings of inadequacy. You might be better off in the BDSM community than taking all this baggage to a game table.

>>70488168
Yes, my man. Lawful Evil is a great alignment. OP, my next suggestion is give Lawful Evil a try, team up with some twisted NPCs who share your tastes. Playing a Chaotic Evil lone wolf, no shit, it will be harder to get what you want done. And make a point to not pick fights you can't win. Prey on the weak, etc.

>>70488212
Real LE chads are so based that their party doesnt even realise that he's LE
LE Gigachads are the Paladins of the party

This is why nobody talked to you in highschool

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>>70488212
So you're saying I should be Lawful evil instead? I think I understand your viewpoint. You're saying my evil should be more withdrawn.

ARGH, but that's hardly any fun! What about my long epic monologues? What about the cries of despair from the NPCs? What about that rush and feeling of power as you take control of the situation. Killing all who stand in your way?

I enjoy the pageantry of evil just as much as the acts themselves.

>>70488102
jfc bud you need a therapist, not a gaming group. i feel sorry for people who have to deal with you.

>>70484730
100% this.
I'm pure good right down to my very core. I can't even do evil things when I'm playing a game of pretend.

>>70488102
Haha woah

>>70488177
Hey man, as a BDSM lover leave me out of this.

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You are posting cringe bro

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>>70488370
>>70488388
>>70488489
Dude if the Gm asked you to yank down your pants and take his dick you wouldn't even think twice about it.

I'm not about to suck off the gm just so I can play my evil characters. All this has taught me is that most gm's are fucking faggots who don't let you have fun. Conformist rules nazis who want you to follow the fucking railroad all the way to auchwitz. Well not me! I'm making my own fucking campaign and it'll be 10 times better than whatever queer faggot shit that these normie fucks come up with.

In my campaign everyone gets to be part of the evil army and crush the heroic rebellions cropping up. And the king rewards his evil minions with cool shit like wyvern mounts and hot slave-girls.

And then they can train their slaves to also fight and kick ass too. And then the NPCs will respect the powerful evil warriors who kill these goody-two-shoes faggots who keep trying to make things nice.

And maybe in my evil kingdom all the women have sexy outfits too. Skimpy cleavage outfits or maybe even just naked, because we aren't prudes like those fucking good-faggots.

And then my players will all tell me how awesome my setting is, and how cool I am for making it. And it'll be great.

>>70488579
Follow your dreams anon. And post your stories here if you can get it off the ground

>>70484710
Evil =/= Psychotic.

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>>70488579
>In my campaign everyone gets to be part of the evil army and crush the heroic rebellions cropping up.
What if we wanna be good instead? You know, crush evil army over the knee, liberate NPCs, listen to pitiful lamentations of evil king? Kick ass for goodness not giving a single shit about temptations of evil side?

...you won't be such a controlling limp-dick GM to not let us, right? Right?

>>70488579
Honestly, just sounds like you intentionally play with GMs you don't agree with.

>>70484710
>Killing without remorse

I have to say, one of the biggest things that's throwing me about the campaign I'm currently is the sheer graphic violence that the DM and the other players cheerfully commit against any and every enemy they fight. My entire party is good aligned, but think nothing of brutally murdering every bandit in their way. They give absolutely no quarter and expect none, no prisoners, nothing. The DM uses fear house rules, and the party will happily murder fleeing opponents and will commit psychological warfare in the middle of combat doing shit like throwing the mutilated corpses of dead enemies, use magic to force enemies to kill each-other etc. all while being considered chaotic good. The DM does change character alignment if anyone does anything even remotely nasty to "good" NPCs, but will also narrorate in gory detail how the druid's bear form tears the heart out of an orc's chest. It's genuinely bizarre to me

Sorry for the blogpost

>>70484710
Evil, let me tell you about evil. Evil is doing something bad, something disgusting, and you know its disgusting, but you're praised/rewarded for it because nobody knows you did it.

A kingdom's civil war on the horizon? You kill one of the heirs and their retinue during travel. No witnesses. Gather up some random brigands and deliver them to the guards, bloody weapons and "stolen goods" in hand. You're an evil little shit in the best way possible.

Know a little alchemy/medicine and there's a village not giving you lodging? Poison them! Don't forget to make the antidote too.

Random murdering just gets you murdered faster.

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>>70488645
So let me get this straight, you're gonna pass up wyvern mounts, hot slave girls, and gold, and jewels to become a hero for good?

Are you FUCKING KIDDING?

You realize the evil army wouldn't tolerate that shit right? You realize it'd basically be you, and a small rebellion against literally the entire rest of this vast evil army? You'd have to be absolutely fucking crazy to even try it.

>>70488705
Thanks for the tip friend. You're welcome in my dark kingdom anytime.

>>70488347
>What about the cries of despair from the NPCs
>Not the players
You're pathetic.

>>70484710
Neutral is by far the best alignment

You can get shit done just as well as an evil character and you aren't bound by any sort of gay-ass codes or anything. You don't have to be a simpering ""hero"" doing someone else's work for them just because it's the "right thing to do" and you don't have to be a murder-happy backstabbing mustache-twirling git who nobody would ever trust, much less even begin to like

Should I be glad my edgelord phase was replaced by a "groomed by furries" phase?

>>70488747
>You realize the evil army wouldn't tolerate that shit right? You realize it'd basically be you, and a small rebellion against literally the entire rest of this vast evil army? You'd have to be absolutely fucking crazy to even try it.
the irony is palpable.

>>70488815
No.

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>>70488790
Not true, you're an indesisive jackass who can't pick a fucking side. You're also still weighed down by morality somewhat you toolbag.

Evil is by far the superior option. Neutral is just diet-evil for pussbags who can't commit.

Woah, a troll petting zoo! Some pics are nice though, came to say thanks.

I'm going to make a villainous character that's trans and is trying to force society to accept trans as a political obligation, like if (she) asks a man to have sex with (her) the male has to say yes or gets punished for not being tolerant enough.

>>70488852
Come now anon, trolling is an art. This is just a retard flinging shit everywhere.

>>70488903
If trolling is an art then I don't see much trolling these days.

>>70488910
To be fair most anons on this site think anime is art, so the standards are pretty fucking low.

>>70488929
Don't you talk shit about Sailor Moon you motherfucker.

>>70488843
"Sides" are an illusion maintained by the powerful trick the weak and foolish into dying for them

There are no sides, there is only myself and everyone else, who I can choose to work with or against as best suits me

>>70488747
That's why you turn this evil army against itself.
This army needs food, so you get in league with the peasant leaders they're exploiting.
This army needs equipment, so you get in league with the smiths and miners.
This army needs infrastructure, so you get in league with the engineers and craftsmen.
This army needs generals/division, so you turn these divisions against the whole.

Evil certainly has some advantages to a Good force, but organizational aptitude is not one of them.
Fear might be a better motivator than love, but it doesn't mean that motivation has to be to work with you.

>>70484710
i can just play some video game to do everything you just said.

>>70485674
What if its an ERP game?

>>70488940
Sailor Moon is trash, faggot. Ben10 was a better cartoon and your mom sucks at making Pizza Bagels.

>>70489034
>your mom sucks at making Pizza Bagels.
I will fucking end you.

>>70489031
ERP is degenerate filth.

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>>70489038
I'll kill you and make it home in time for Corn Flakes.

>>70489085
I hope your milk ends up as spoiled as your mother.

>>70489148
You're one to talk about milk, your mom keeps putting too much into the Ovaltine. Tell her I want to taste the chocolate in my chocolate milk, FFS.

>>70488702
>GM that keeps track of alignment and forces players to change it
I fucking hate those guys

>>70484710
>The biggest and best reason to be evil, is that you can give the DM the middle finger and kill his shitty NPC if you need to. Once you do that, you become the center of attention, whether for better or worse, now you're the shot-caller. Now you're the boss.

The idea of ttrpg isnt to be the center of attention and control the pace of the campaign you baiting retard. Its collaborative.

>>70488579
Hey you finally took to my advice.

Now all you have to do is find a group of kids your age that will tolerate your personality and childish ideas and you're set.

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I don't think I've laughed this hard on a while. Thanks /tg/.

>>70488705
This is how to play an evil character. Goals are interesting, lolmurderrape isn't.

>>70484730
>feeling
That's just a spook.

>>70489544
Suppressing an emotion bubbling up inside of you for this notion of "not caring" is the definition of spook.

>>70488852
I never got the point of trolling if it just ends up being a bunch of people laughing at you.

>>70488705
Based and evilpilled

Also, just saying, if you play an evil character just to piss in the GMs/groups Cheerios, you're That Guy.

See, you say that, but the rules say that the attacks I make, by RAW, deal no damage and use a CMB check that is resisted by a fortitude check. Fail it, and the enemy loses a limb. While taking no damage.

Being a Paladin, I will cut your legs out from under you every time and you won't even take damage.

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>>70484710
OP isn't a person. It's a novice DM's first attempt at am edgy but sexy anime villain that inexplicably came to life to debate ethics on /tg/.

>>70487148
based and justicepilled

>>70490805
is this the fucking dude who keeps making the "how do i make a woman bad guy who uses sex" threads? fuck me.

>>70484710

Nigga what makes you think any good guy feels remorse when they kill you? You're just another bandit in it for the fame and cummies. You don't have a cause, you don't have a grand purpose. You're just another shitter on the road.

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>"T-the good guys won't do shit evil is the true way!"
>t. Qassem Soleimani

>>70485610
>Players "rise against their DM"
>DM packs his things and go to less retarded pastures. Players are left without games.

>One of the players take the mantle
>Remaining players "Rise against" the new DM
>Being a stupid newbie, new DM doesn't realize this is lost.
>Everyone goes through a toxic, nonsensical, drama fueled, frustrating campaign before DM gives up. Packs his things and leave.
>Players once more left without a game.

Meanwhile, on side B.
>Kick faggot out of group. Other players stay and "become DM's bitch."
>Turns out if you bit every plothook, follow nudges and go along, you have a good story and still have agency for most of it, just have to concede a bit in a few bottleneck situations.
>In the end players still have group, DM feels good and "evil-chad" is plaguing the local LGS looking for groups and getting kicked until he's banned from the place altogether.

The choice is, indeed, obvious.

>>70489034
>Sailor Moon is trash
Haven't seen it but likely debatable
>Ben10 was a better cartoon
Completely based and redpilled

>>70488747
>fuck GMs trying to tell you how to pplay and not letting you have fun
>You realize the evil army wouldn't tolerate that shit right? You realize it'd basically be you, and a small rebellion against literally the entire rest of this vast evil army? You'd have to be absolutely fucking crazy to even try it.
yeah I'm thinking he's based

>>70488827
>>70491503
The best part is he really doesn't seem to realize what he's saying at all. It's like this anon's japes are actually reality. >>70490805

I don't know what bothers me more, /tg/'s bait being on a loop (this is the exact same shit as that dude who used to post that Kenshin villain) or that less people seem annoyed by the bait threads each time they pop up.

>>70491641
To this day I don't understand what the point of bait like this would be. It's not a good troll if no one's mad and you're just being called a retard.

>>70491706
from playing magic the gathering at a game store, i can tell you some people think everyone considering them retarded is a victory.

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>>70491101
>good guys
>mutts

Good thread.

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Highly entertaining, thanks /tg/

>>70491641
I'm old, son. I don't fall for bait anymore. I trigger the trap to see the reaction when the fool realizes I saw through it and am prepared.

>>70487511
In game theory there's this concept called Hyper-Rationality. Hyper-rationality isn't a term that means being super-awesome-intelligent-and-winning-all-the-games. Hyper-rationality is where rational, self-serving behaviors end up creating self-defeating and destructive results.

Simple fact is anon, act like an asshole trying to get ahead against everyone, and no one will want to play with you. Act like an ubermensch towards all people you meet and eventually you'll find yourself alone.

You call others doormats and insult their ways, but in the end, they won't tolerate your bullshit. You say they have no spines and won't stand up to the GM as they look at you and say "nah, you're an asshole." You'll say "well, they're just bootlickers to the man" all the while you're frustrated it's not your boots they're licking.

>129 posts of humoring a literal emo child

>The biggest and best reason to be evil, is that you can give the DM the middle finger and kill his shitty NPC if you need to.
But the DM is both my friend, and put in a lot of time and effort to run a fun game for both my fellow players and I. Why would I want to give him the middle finger?

>>70492177
*129 posts of being humored by a literal emo child

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>>70485610
This is bait

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The fact 99% of this evil character rp shit comes from the mouth of a Weeb almost invalidates everything coming out their hands as mindnumbing dumbfuck.

Let me show you what chaotic evil feels like.

>>70492675
you know that's just as edgy and dumb as everything the weeb's been saying, right?

>>70492675
>literally the exact same kind of shit
Anti-weebs are pretty lacking in self-awareness. Also they seem to have trouble catching obvious bait.

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>>70485610
>Only in adulthood do we realize the villains were right all along.
Wow, anon. you sound so clever and insightful.
A great man once said "the destiny of man is not measured by material computation". If you think is in it just to make money or is only looks after himself, then you're greatest fool walking the earth right now.

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>>70484710
There is bit of truth to this: being evil can be fu,.being a murderhobo is just annoying.
The only way to have fun with others as an evil character is to be a manipulative bastard and play 4D chess with the other characters and have stray away from the light.The key point is: a charcter should have sme sort of long term goal he wants to achieve.

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>>70484710

In a sea of boring "le quirky" chaotic good spergs you're a light of only mildly autistic hope for actually interesting games.

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>>70484710

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>>70485610
Jesus fucking Christ man, you are hilarious

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>>70485610
Everyone is out for themselves, you're right about that. No one is perfect, but they're still people. If they are cut, they bleed. If they lose a loved one they weep. They have hope and dreams just like me. Even if they never thank me, even it comes back to bite me, I WILL FIGHT FOR THEM! I WILL FIGHT THOSE LIKE YOU TILL THE BITTER END AND THEN SOME!

>>70493384
I wonder if anyone told her that isn't a cannabis leaf.

>>70485610
I love it.

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>>70491762

Yes.

>>70492747

Half Light is not a rational personality. It fits well of what goes through a chaotic evil’s train of thought before they do what they do.

>>70491762

I'm genuinely curious to hear how America isn't the good guy here compared to the terrorist who used human shields and gunned down his own people for protesting him because his regime mandated the worship of a literal pedophile warlord.

>>70484710
Sounds a whole lot like you're asking to be a dead cunt to me.

>>70489544
Your emotions are literally the only thing that's important according to Stirner. An Egoist does good things because they make him feel good and lead to more things that make him feel good, like accolades and rewards from others.

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>>70496133
Isn't it just like a "hero" to justify murder because his opposition is "bad'.

Slaughtering bandit camps and enemy armies like you were cutting grass in the field. To what end I wonder? Do you believe that harsher punishments equal less crime? Statistics show that harsher punishments really don't effect the crime rate all that much.

For example if you make the punishment for stealing death. You might motivate this otherwise harmless thief to kill any witnesses. You birth more crime by your own selfish desire to prevent it.

My point here is that by killing the bad guys you only make them harder to spot. You only motivate them to be more sneaky. Crime will always exist for a number of factors. But most of the time it comes down to simple risk versus reward. If someone can get away with something, you bet your ass even Mother Teresa will suck a dick if she can get her fix and not get caught.

As much of a hero as you pretend to be, you're nothing but a diet villain. A shittier villain who's too cowardly to come out of the shadows and profess to the world what he really is.

>>70495783

Because some Americans are brown and speak a second language and so this dictatorship of brown people who speak Farsi are BASED because democracy isn't BASED and dictatorships are so much fun to live under. Or because the poster is a Muslim seething and mumbling about muh juice because El Generalino is muy finito.

>>70496320

What an enormous strawman just to say "if you employ violence ever you're just the same as Edgelord McFaggot", which is a ridiculous argument. The circumstances in which violence is necessary are widely discussed and several principles generally agreed upon. For example, if bandits invade my hometown and I have friends and family to protect I am well within my rights to Fireball them all. Your entire mix is just Trudeauesque "if you kill your enemies they win" pablum mixed with edgy "no YOU have to live by MY principles and I don't" childish reasoning. Drawing a gun to cause a rape and drawing a gun to prevent a rape are not moral equivalents.

>>70491641
Kenshin villain?

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>>70496406
I get the feeling that if you ever accidentally ran over someone with your car and killed them, you wouldn't be running to the police to turn yourself in.
I bet you'd do whatever you could to hide the body, and pretend that it never happened. Crime isn't always a matter of selfishness, sometimes it's a matter of circumstance.

The truth of the matter is that you and I are the same. Within you is the same darkness, the same desires to commit these terrible atrocities. And yet you hold yourself above all others with your self righteousness.

The same people you defend will devour you if given the right circumstance. All you need is just a tiny push in the wrong direction and you'll end up the same as someone like me. Only worse because you'll hate yourself.

>no YOU have to live by MY principles and I don't
You misunderstand. What I'm trying to say is that your principles are more like.. Loose guidelines rather than hard rules. You might say you're different but you employ the same methods as the villains. You enjoy violence because we're an inherently violent species. You get a rush at the idea of using force to subdue your enemies.

Underneath the fragile shell is a villain just waiting to be born. It's not a matter of "if", only "when".
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become a villain. There's a reason the Puritains envied those who died young.

When all is said and done, you'll sign a deal with the devil if it suits you. While all the same critiquing others for doing the exact same.

>>70496621

Of course I fucking would call the cops, are you insane? Your feelings are as misguided as your principles, even a purely amoral pragmatist would call the police rather than go to prison for a hit and run. To do otherwise you would have to be a simple idiot. Everything else you said is an assertion based tenuously on that false premise and can therefore be dismissed, I can think my actions through and therefore we're not the same. The effort of trying to be good is a hard and genuine separation between regular people and angsty teenage edgelords.

>>70496320
Never said I was a good guy, just that you're a dead cunt.

>>70496320

What's your obsession with fellatio about?

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>>70496621
>He gets his morality from Batman movies

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>>70496923
>>70496953
Lawful Good Paladins operate on this same sort of logic. Looking for any excuse they can to act like a pious dickweed. Preaching endlessly about salvation while in the same breath using their weapons/magic to annihilate their enemies.
It's a cathartic release for them. Murderize all the "bad people" in the most horrific and violent ways possible. And you still get to go to church and pretend to be the good guy afterwards.

At the very least I never pretended to be someone who was good. From the minute my campaign started you knew exactly what kind of beast I was. In the same way you can't get mad at a bumble-bee for stinging you. The bumble-bee was just doing what's in it's nature.

I'm doing what's in mine. Stealing and murdering because it's fun. I didn't dress up like a priest and pretend to be some fucking savior. I didn't indoctrinate innocent civilians into my violent ideology of judgment and shame. (Though I'd gleefully accept followers all the same)

Just accept that you and I are basically the same. Accept that the only difference between me and you is that at least I'm honest enough to show the world what I really am.

>>70496621
>you'll sign a deal with the devil if it suits you
No, I wouldn't. You merely project your own weakness onto others. Since apparently we're taking philosophy from movies, let me hit you with a quote.
>Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right
Grow the fuck up.

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>>70485535
Wait...Doesn't everybody have a shotgun and .45 within arm's reach of their bed!? Damn, eurofags got robbed HARD.

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>>70496981
Whats the matter hero? Do references to sex make you uncomfortable? Isn't it funny how you can show people being murdered and the film is only pg-13. But you show some tits and that film gets rated R.

Just proves that society is still very puritanical with how it views sex.

"You're old enough to see people die. But not old enough to see some tits." Some real good fucking morality huh?

>>70496996
I get my morality from reality.

>>70497075
And what if he offered you a million dollars, or perhaps even 10 million dollars in real life? What if your relative or significant other is dying, and the only way to save them is to take the deal, (assuming you wouldn't have the income otherwise in this situation)

What's the right thing to do there? Let your relatives die because you were too selfish to take what was right in front of you?

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>>70497001
>killing a bunch of bandits who are raping and pillaging the countryside is the same thing as murdering innocent civilians and stealing all of their belongings
>one can be good only if he never attacks anyone
>the good guys should never be violent in order to be truly good
is this peak pacifism?

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>>70497264
>society

>>70497297
forgot to add this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNjkwTQ7siY

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>>70485355
>unironically speaking like a cliché chinese cartoon character

>>70496621
>I get the feeling that if you ever accidentally ran over someone with your car and killed them, you wouldn't be running to the police to turn yourself in.
>I bet you'd do whatever you could to hide the body, and pretend that it never happened
No not at all, I'd try and help if I could, and i certainly wouldn't just leave, abandoning someone to die is a pretty dick move.

>Crime isn't always a matter of selfishness, sometimes it's a matter of circumstance
You're correct, which is why most moral systems say accidentally hitting a man with a car is not the same as deliberately running them over.

>The truth of the matter is that you and I are the same. Within you is the same darkness, the same desires to commit these terrible atrocities. And yet you hold yourself above me with because I'm a little shit with no impulse control.
FTFY. Yes everyone has selfish desires, what makes people good or bad is how they ACT on those desires.

The rest of your post is literally the "One Bad Day" argument from the Killing Joke, mixed with a healthy dose of blatant projection. Not everyone sees the world the same way as you anon, and just because you're the kind of person to do those thing doesn't mean everyone else is. Not everyone is exactly the same as you, that's basic theory of mind, babies learn that shit before they learn how to walk.

>>70484710

You need to be 18 or older in order to post on 4chan.

>>70497264

I'm not asking about society. I'm asking about why you keep thinking about sucking the ol' salty salami.

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>>70497267
Those bandits probably have families. They're still human beings all the same. Living and breathing the same air.
Perhaps what I take issue with more is that writers of fantasy often use "bandits" as the stock bad guys that heroes can feel justified in killing.

>"Oh well, they were just bandits, it's ok to horrifically and violently murder them. Even though the only reason we're chasing them down is because they violently murdered people."

See the hypocrisy here? Perhaps your worldview would change if the campaign started you out inside a bandit camp. Where the bandits aren't just mindless monsters, but actual people trying to survive. Sure they break the law and kill people if they have to. But most likely aren't much worse than the kind of seedy corrupt shit happening within the kingdom anyways.

>>70497186

I literally have a .45 and a war hammer I bought at the Rennfaire by my bed every night in case I can't get to my AR in the closet.

>>70484710
Isn't it past your bedtime?

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>>70485535

>>70497264
>And what if he offered you a million dollars, or perhaps even 10 million dollars in real life? What if your relative or significant other is dying, and the only way to save them is to take the deal, (assuming you wouldn't have the income otherwise in this situation)
>What's the right thing to do there? Let your relatives die because you were too selfish to take what was right in front of you?
The premise is a deal with the devil, so theres very clearly some reason why I wouldn't want to take the deal. Otherwise your argument is just "evil can trick people" If the offer was 10million dollars to murder an innocent then the answer is still no, not even if it would save my sickly grandmother or whatever contrived scenario you've constructed. You still seem to think that people can't genuinely believe in their principles, that it's all a front or a pretense, because you don't understand how someone could really be that dedicated.

>>70497001

I get that it's convenient for you to pretend that you're just following your nature like a mindless hive insect while at the same time preaching about how much agency you have, but you made a choice to burn down that orphanage, and much like swatting a mosquito nobody will feel regret when Sir Chad decapitates you midway through your villainous monologue. You can write an entire manifesto if you want, it's all meaningless drivel if you don't address the fact that your definition of "good" as a total pacifist is unrealistic and not shared by the rest of the world. Only you see the people not burning down orphanages as evil if they punish the orphanage burners. Your entire last paragraph is begging me to accept a false premise, which I refuse. Violence is a tool, what it's employed for matters, just as using a hammer to build a house is different in moral weight than using a hammer to pound nails into someone else's dick. You're not even an effective villain, you lack a grand purpose, a vision. You're just another self-interested bandit on the road. A random encounter.

>>70497387
So you're issue is with bad writing? That's somewhat ironic considering the 13 year old edgy fanfiction level quality of prose you've demonstrated in this thread so far.

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>>70497387
You see, nobody is saying that bandits aren't people, of course they are. However, I am saying that at some point you gotta take a stand and fight, even against people who might simply be in the wrong place at wrong time. They are a threat in the current moment and that's all that matters.
Maybe your Christian morality prevents you from seeing that there is literally nothing inherently wrong with murder, but you should be able to understand that it is all about the motivation of the killing.
Need I remind you that the bandits are usually going around robbing and murdering innocent people? there is nothing wrong with getting rid of a threat, no matter how human this threat might be.
For all your talk about being dark and evil, you are parroting the talking points of the pacifists that are convinced that all violence makes you bad no matter what.
Basically your understanding of morality is shortsighted and stupid and you should take some time to think about good and evil and understand that the use of violence does not belong to only one side of the spectrum.
Little side note, every murderous dictator in history had family.

>>70484710
This is such bait, and I’m ashamed of so many of you for taking it.

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This is fantastic.

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>>70497349
>and i certainly wouldn't just leave, abandoning someone to die is a pretty dick move.

And why would you extend this sort of kindness to someone? You think someone in the same circumstance wouldn't just leave you to rot if they thought it benefited them?

Society is only as good as the world allows them to be. When the chips are down, these 'civilized people' will eat each other.

> what makes people good or bad is how they ACT on those desires.
Someday you'll regret not acting on yours sooner. When your coworker screws you over in order to get that promotion you've been trying to get for 10 years. When you sink 12 years into a marriage and you slut wife cheats on you for chad and divorces you and takes half the money.

Where will your goodness and decency be then?

>>70497528
>You still seem to think that people can't genuinely believe in their principles
BECAUSE THEY DON'T, IT'S ALL A FUCKING ACT, SEE THROUGH THE KAYFABE YOU BLIND FUCKING SHEEP.

You think these top politicians and CEO's really believe in this whole "family values" bullshit!? They cheat on their wife with top of the line hookers! Snorting blow off their assholes! They couldn't give a literal flying fuck about societies morals! It's all a fucking lie to sell you their cheap made in fucking china knock off garbage!

DISNEY DOES THE SAME FUCKING THING, FAMILY VALUES MY ASS! BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THEY'RE JUST AS CORRUPT AND SHITTY AS THE REST OF US!

>>70497574
>>70497704
I'm just a dog chasing cars. Would it be nice to have an evil empire? Sure, but I wouldn't know how to run one. Leave that to the politicians though, they're already good at it.

Society seems to think that intent matters even though the end result is the same. You took your cold piece of steel and shoved it through someones chest, and watched them bleed out. Did you know that people who love murdering have joined the military with specifically that intent?

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>>70497387

Start shit get hit. It's not just moral paragons coming after you. Bill Guardsman might be mildly good or just plain ol' neutral but whether or not you've got a family you chose to rob a stagecoach and kill everyone on board "because it's fun" in your own words, so he cuts you down with his halberd and thinks nothing more of it. Your argument is the most ridiculous combination of pearl clutching and projection.

>>70484710
Whenever I play Evil characters, they exclusively hunt other Evil characters. Why? Because good guys don't have shit. Whoever heard of a good guy with piles of money that he can't report stolen because he got it by defrauding a bunch of people? Bad guys have all the best stuff, so if you want the best stuff, hunting other bad guys is really the only thing worth doing.

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>>70497861
Yes, intent is absolutely everything, like shooting an intruder who got into your house is completely different from an act of cold blooded in murder In the streets. They are the same thing only from a merely mechanical point of view. You know that there is more the world besides mechanical movement, right?
> Did you know that people who love murdering have joined the military with specifically that intent?
Didn't expect that such a pacifist in disguise could actually say something positive about the military. Do you really think it would have been better for these violent men to remain civilians and eventually murder an innocent person? it is preferable that they join the military so that their violent instincts might be able to serve a cause greater than themselves

Put me in the screen cap

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>>70497387

How come you shifted from "I kill and murder for FUN" to "w-we're just trying to survive"? Did you get BTFO so hard you shifted your entire premise? Yes.

>>70497264
> what if he offered you a million dollars, or perhaps even 10 million dollars in real life?
Greed is sinful, love of money is sinful.
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
>What if your relative or significant other is dying, and the only way to save them is to take the deal,
The serpent lies, this is nothing new. Salvation through grace, not deeds. In faith in the Lord, death is not the end but merely the passing from a material existence of pain and suffering. Death is freedom from a rotting cage of meat. Rejoice for the dead, for they stand with the Lord.
>What's the right thing to do there?
The right thing is to deny the tempter, for he seeks only to lead you astray. Begone serpent, you have no home in my heart.
>because you were too selfish to take what was right in front of you?
The source of much anguish is that many men are so selfish as to grab everything before them. Materialism and greed are the way to wickedness.

>>70497861

Society agrees that abandoning someone you hit with your car to die is wrong, yes. That's why when people hit someone and leave they go to prison.

>>70497861
>Muh nature
>Nobody has convictions

Holy shit leave your room and get an actual job.

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>>70497912
Do you recall when I mentioned neutral people essentially just being "diet evil"? The great thing about Bill Guardsman is that his loyalty can be bought, or at least wavered significantly because he swears no oath to uphold righteuousness.

After all, ol Billy boy doesn't want to die in this pitiful place. He may chase for a while, but his allegiance will be more likely to himself and his family that he has to provide for.

If he dies his family we be without a provider. So do you think Bill here is going to go above and beyond to hunt down vicious bandits who will no doubt painfully torture him if not kill him if given the chance?

>>70498057
>intent is absolutely everything
>like shooting an intruder who got into your house is completely different from an act of cold blooded in murder In the streets

The reasoning and justifications may be different, but the end result is still the same, Two men are dead and we offer our limited excuses as to why.

The house robber is a victim of poor education and economic status, and you murdered him callously in the name of defending your precious material possessions hero.

>>70498447
So what you're saying is intent doesn't matter? That's what I've been saying all along. Even this Anon realizes that your intentions really don't effect the bottom line.

It's all the same just different names. Your excuses are mildly more palatable to a frightened public too weak to look after themselves. Shepherded by corrupt officials into being pawns for the greater machine.

Keep doing your part to be another gear in the machine. Surely your hardwork shall be rewarded somehow.

Don't worry, you're not like those EVIL people. Your justifications for murder and torture are completely different from those other guys and that makes it totally justified ;^)

>>70498491
Well color me shocked. An actual person who's made some solid points. If you truly practice what you preach, then I suppose I can't argue otherwise.

Acts of goodness are not always wise, and acts of evil are not always foolish. Regardless we should always attempt to be good.

>>70498589

Bill Guardsman could've been a farmer, but he signed up for this job and feels like he's giving back to the community, plus his wife probably thinks his little metal hat is sexy. Even if he doesn't have some grand paladin morality he's happy to uphold the law and do what good he can while indulging his vices a bit like most people. That's not diet evil, just normalcy. He will, as millions of people do every day, hunt down those bandits with the boys, kill them, and get a nice ribbon of commendation from the local lord for being a good man-at-arms. We see this every single day, the world is full of Bills. Also you still haven't explained why intent doesn't matter. A dead saint is not morally equivalent to a dead serial rapist. You keep talking about agency but the overarching theme in every post is this idea that people are somehow not responsible for the actions they take. If that was the case, discussion would be pointless, killing you during your misdeeds would simply be causality in action.

>>70498589

So because your intentions are bad you want us to ignore all good intentions so you can feel good about yourself? Yeah nah, cunt. Get glassed by the guards.

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>>70484710
>YOU ACTUALLY GET TO HAVE AGENCY IN THE GAME
Oh that's adorable, piglet.

>you become the center of attention
I especially enjoyed this, the piglet is so desperate to be noticed that it doesn't care whether or not is getting praise or scorn.

Heck, it even flagellates itself on public treads for attention, but you made me smile, so here, have some.

>>70498637

Mad respect for that dude.

OP is an Ayleid seething impotently about Pelinal Whitestrake. Ignore his mer lies.

Is this pasta?

The only reason to play an evil character is to run for some sort of redemption arc. Everything else just doesn't make sense in terms of what your character wants to accomplish. There are ways to do it, but generally it has to be toned down a bit. The only real agency is that the evil character needs to lie, cheat, steal, and kill to protect the party. Why? Because you need meat shields and minions and these cohorts are very specialized.

There can also be a good dichotomy between having a good and evil mixed group be forced to work together.

Generally though, most people pick the evil alignment simply to be a dick so of course it's not liked.

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>>70498589
You know the least important thing about a threat? his past. The only thing that matters in the moment are the hands. If his hands are holding any kind of weapon he becomes an acceptable target to terminated as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Why does he have to be terminated? because if he's allowed to live he might continue to kill the innocent.
Whatever hardships the threat may have faced in his life are not relevant in the current moment. The only that's relevant is that his continued existence is a threat to you and surrounding area.
Focus on the hands, not on the past.

The Virgin Evil Warlock
The Chad Good Paladin

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>>70498707
If Bill is just a pawn for his master then he could just be asked to do anything and he would just do it right? Imagine his local lord decided he wanted to murder some randos because he didn't like the way they dressed.

According to you, bill would comply, because his morality is whatever his boss tells him it is. A true simp through and through.

>>70498732
I want you to see that we're virtually the same.

>>70498733
Use whatever coping words you like, I'm here for my own fun.

>>70498819
Ahhhh, of course. Might is equivalent to right then. Doesn't matter the reasoning behind someones actions. All that matters is who's gonna kill who.

You concede then that morality is entirely a moot point. THUS PROVING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS POWER. YOU FOOL! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!

>>70498884
The Diet Evil Paladin
The True Evil Rogue
FTFY

>>70498589
>If you truly practice what you preach, then I suppose I can't argue otherwise.
So you concede that people are not in fact fundamentally all amoral monsters who will betray everything at earliest convenience?

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>>70498950
A very small and fringe fraction of them yes. 10 percent of people might qualify enough to be called righteous, but not enough for me to trust the other 90 percent of entirely selfish and amoral diet evil scumbags.

No, what I can't stand is when you preach a false morality, when you preach salvation in one hand, and deliver death in the other.
When you claim that morality matters, but then quickly walk it back by saying that only might is a determiner of who's right.

How you people can pretend that you're so righteous, bloodying your blade with countless lives but still pretending to be innocent. And yet when I bloody my own blade it's suddenly a huge deal.

You know what would be interesting? To play one of your "lawful good" paladins and just play him like a straight up evil character and see how long it would take for anyone to notice. I bet you a thousand bucks they never would.

>>70485178
Nice bait, I especially liked "you're unable to read the written word. How sad."

>>70498939
>Imagine his local lord decided he wanted to murder some randos because he didn't like the way they dressed.
That is wrong. Bill is a decent guy, he knows it's wrong to just randomly kill people for petty reasons. Sometimes authority and law are good, sometimes they aren't. You disobey when it isn't good.
>I want you to see that we're virtually the same.
You have yet to prove this.
>Might is equivalent to right then
Not at all. Don't feel bad though, it's hard for children to grasp the difference between assault and self defense sometimes.
>HUS PROVING THAT THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS POWER. YOU FOOL! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG!
Actually, you've been flip flopping between "I'm just a cunt for shits and giggles", "everyone else is evil anyway, at least I'm aware of it", and "I'm just doing what I have to do, there's a reason for everything" this whole time.

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>>70498939
No, the only thing that matters is that someone is a threat to you or others. Threats are to be taken care of in one way or another.
At no point have I said that might makes right. There are kids who have yet to start middle school with better reading comprehension capabilities than you.

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I couldn't even write a character this nonsensicallt evil for one of my campaigns. It's so far gone to be a parody.

>>70484710
you need to be eighteen to post here OP

>>70498576
This holy shit, OP is an incredible faggot

>>70499045
>A very small and fringe fraction of them yes
I accept your concession of defeat. You entire argument has hinged on the delusion that nobody anywhere is a good person. By conceding that good men and women exist, your argument is defeated.
>walk it back by saying that only might is a determiner of who's right.
Nobody has said this, the only thing close to it has been people saying you have the right to defend yourself with lethal force if need be. Please stop arguing with the voices only you can hear and get counselling.
>when I bloody my own blade it's suddenly a huge deal.
Intent matters. If you raise a blade to defend yourself or others, it's entirely different from raising a sword because you enjoy hurting and killing people.

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>muh no morals
>keeps posting edgelord animu pics
I seriously hope you're underage

>>70497793
I'm pretty sure nobody is actually taking OP seriously at this point. I know I'm not. I just want to see how far he'll go with this.

>>70486289
for what purpose

>>70499049
The person I was replying to clearly couldn't read.

>>70499075
>Actually, you've been flip flopping between "I'm just a cunt for shits and giggles", "everyone else is evil anyway, at least I'm aware of it", and "I'm just doing what I have to do, there's a reason for everything" this whole time.

It's actually a combination of all of those. I'm evil because I can be. Everyone else IS ALREADY doing it anyways. I'm just more overt and have a sense of pageantry about the whole affair.
And yes, being evil will most of the time save your life in a practical situation. Because evil people will do whatever it takes to survive. And they enjoy breaking the rules so much.

Girls especially love badboys like me. Why do you think they hookup with jerks if supposedly all they want is a nice sensitive boy?
The truth is that being evil is also masculine, and girls fucking love evil dudes. Why do you think just about every villain for the past 20 years has a legion of fangirls? They are attracted to his power, and they want to be next to him on the throne.

>>70499208
>a small percentage of people win the lottery
>THEREFORE EVERYONE WINS THE LOTTERY, LOL GET REKT
Yeah nice try dude. But 10 percent doesn't make humanity worth saving. In fact their goody-two-shoes nature is a huge smokescreen for the rest of the morally dubious faggots hiding out among them.

> If you raise a blade to defend yourself or others, it's entirely different from raising a sword because you enjoy hurting and killing people.
Maybe if I phrase it in terms of math right? If I asked you what 1 plus 2 equals.

You'd say 3 of course.
But then I said to you,
"ok but those numbers represent a body count, and two of those bodies were innocent civilians, while the other was a thief."

Would it change that the body count is 3? No! Because 1 plus 2 still EQUALS FUCKING THREE.

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This thread is a reminder to not socialize with fucking weebs

>>70499305
>But 10 percent doesn't make humanity worth saving
It actually does, for one thing. Secondly, when your argument is "nobody ever wins the lottery", the fact that people do win the lottery does in fact dispel your idiotic notion.
>Because 1 plus 2 still EQUALS FUCKING THREE
And here we are again, you overly simplistic child. There is more to consider than simply the fact that three people are dead. How did they die? Was the thief shot and killed while robbing someone? Then he died as a result of his own bad deeds.
>b-but material goods! Selfishness!
You have the right to defend yourself and your possessions. The thief had no right to anything in your home.

>>70498939
>Right?

No. Even normal people have morals. Come back with something besides projection.

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>>70499468
So if you're starving, and I have this turkey sandwich, and you decide to steal that sandwich, I have the right to END YOUR LIFE because you stole it?

Oh, ok cool. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page dude.
A turkey sandwich? Totally equivalent to a human life!

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>>70499305
>Girls especially love badboys like me
Wrong, women love strong men who are also good liking in their eyes. A few immature girls might go for a bad boy for a while but they'll eventually grow up and leave him.
Those who believe that being bad makes them attractive to every chick on the planet will find themselves being viewed as single use dildos by a few bored women.
To complete true chadification you have to become a better person.

>>70499533
Different guy, but way to set up a shitty strawman. A sandwich is clearly not worth a human life but a human attacking me might be, particularly if I'm not aware it's a sandwich he's after.

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>>70499305
anon, you can't possibly be retarded enough to have merely numerical and mechanical view of the world. please tell me you're not actually this stupid.

>>70499538
Patrician shit right here. Every guy i ever fucked who was "a bad boy" was in a phase of my life i grew out of. Now my clit shrivels at the sight of weebery or edginess.

>>70497861
>And why would you extend this sort of kindness to someone? You think someone in the same circumstance wouldn't just leave you to rot if they thought it benefited them
Why do I give a shit about what other people think or what they would do in my situation? It doesn't really matter whether some imaginary person would or would not leave me to die after hitting me with a car. I'm extending them kindness because I feel a sense of responsibility/compassion/duty, or because I'd feel bad if I didn't help, or even just because I want to be nice. Why should I care whether or not I'd get repaid for it, that's not what kindness is about.

>Where will your goodness and decency be then?
The same place it's always been. Those things aren't dependent on how successful you are. A good person who tries and fails doesn't suddenly become less of a good person. If my wife was the kind of wife who cheated on me then she's probably a bitch anyway and I'm well rid of her. And I can exit the relationship knowing that I sincerely tried instead of betraying my partners trust like she did.

>You think these top politicians and CEO's really believe in this whole "family values" bullshit
No, but there are more people in the world than just CEOs and politicians, and if they're your only model of what success looks like then you have a narrow view of what matters in life.

>>70499533
You seem to be laboring under the delusion that all self defense is lethal.
Aside from that, if somebody tries to violently rob you, you do in fact have the right to defend yourself, up to and including lethal force.
Lastly, if I were starving, I would look for work so I could buy my own damn sandwich, or maybe visit a soup kitchen if I could not find work. There are alternatives to assaulting people to assuage hunger. Maybe if you had a capacity for thinking more complex than "we live in a society" memes you'd understand that.

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If i were the last woman on earth with an edgy weeb I'd core my fucking womb out with a knife and and humanity right there.

>>70484710
We had an edgy character like that come into one of our games, get found out, turned into the local guards, and was hung in front of the town the next day. Paladin then killed the dude's next character. Then we ran an evil game to integrate him into gaming. Now he makes legitimate characters and knows how to role-play.

Being evil limits me more than being good in anywhere that matters. Wanton murder is costly unless you are already in a position in which it doesnt cost you anything worthwhile and you can do it willy nilly. You will always be sent to the worst deals, with the worst people and the worst asignments by people you cant trust when you embody the whole super evil thing and there is no significant purpose to your actions beyond mindset hedonism, which inevitably burns off.

>>70499759
Thats why you tell the gullible paladin that you've made a deal with the local bandit tribe and tell them that the bandits want to reform. (Beforehand you've paid the bandits to murder this paladin)

Next you poison the towns water supply and wait for everyone in the town to die.

Everyone in town is dead and that paladin is taken care of. You gain a shit ton of level ups, and the rest of the party joins you on an evil-centered quest.

>>70499924
>And the rest of the party murders your character and kicks out the annoying murderhobo.
FTFY
They then retcon your actions, it will be like character had never existed.

>>70484710
Are psychotic urges all that drives you?

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You people will never know the unbridled joys of villainy. Stealing whatever isn't nailed down. Murdering people who piss you off. Plotting and scheming a characters downfall.
And of course planning a witty dialogue about how evil is the best and how weak my opposition was, and how they were fools to underestimate me!

And the best part is that it's all part of my character, so I can literally do anything I want to and face no consequences at all.
Tell me that isn't the best though. Tell me that being evil isn't absolutely the best fucking option. Because it is. Don't choose diet evil, and for fucks sake don't be a goody two shoes. Just join me on an evil campaign and we'll ravage the land together.

>>70500277
>Stealing whatever isn't nailed down
Not conducive to a healthy society.
>Murdering people who piss you off
This leads only to you yourself being lawfully executed in short order. Not conducive to a healthy society.
>Plotting and scheming a characters downfall
This is not something an impulse driven psychopath would be given to.
>And of course planning a witty dialogue about how evil is the best and how weak my opposition was, and how they were fools to underestimate me!
I too was 13 once. One day you will realize how pointless this edgefaggotry is.
> it's all part of my character, so I can literally do anything I want to and face no consequences at all
No. "it's what my character would do" is not a valid excuse for being a cunt and ruining everyone else's fun and it never will be.
>Tell me that being evil isn't absolutely the best fucking option
It depends on the type of evil and the type of game being played. What you suggest is a disruptive cunt who makes murderhobos look tolerable. You are currently exhibiting the reason why many GMs ban evil and chaotic neutral on principle.
>for fucks sake don't be a goody two shoes
And what if I want to be a good person?
>Just join me on an evil campaign and we'll ravage the land together.
Why? You can get so much more done by actually being a decent person and living in a way that doesn't just arbitrarily destroy everything on sheer impulse.

>>70500277
>tell me that fighting for something more than your own single life is not as simply murdering random people just because it's fun
A good character is, at his core, an idealist. An idealist is willing to die for something. When you're ready to die for something, you are finally alive.
There is nothing more exhilarating to know your hard work and your dedication to your ideals have made the world a better place to live in.

>>70497861
It doesn't matter if what the rest of the world is like. It doesn't matter how dark, twisted and evil people can be. I will still follow my convictions not because they get me what I want or give me some sort of fleeting sense of satisfaction, but because they have value in and of themselves. I refuse to yield to the dark.

>>70499533
>morals don't exist! power is the only thing that matters! edginess is the greatest good!
"alright then, I'll defend myself against you"
>n-no you fucking capitalist pig think about the value of human life i am a victim too please think about my feelings will nobody think about the poor bandits
holy kek you're a parody of yourself

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>>70499759
You're being the kind of group Mr. Rogers knew you could be, anon.

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>>70500580
I'm going to be Chaotic Evil, because it gives me unlimited freedom. Because it's honest. Because I've embraced my darkside.

We all have darkness within us. Other people, they fear their darkness. But me? I've embraced it. I've been in the dark for quite a while now. It suits me. It's ebony sheets wrap me warm like a blanket.
Choosing evil is the most honest alignment choice, and the one which gives you the most freedom. I am woke to peoples true nature. I've seen through the kayfabe. I have started into the abyss, and the abyss has stared back. And I have found my truth. The truth that humanity isn't worth saving. The only person that matters, the only person who can survive in this world is the one who's unfettered by concepts like morality.


>>70500870
>"alright then, I'll defend myself against you"
You will try. But you won't succeed. Part of being a villain is being several steps ahead. Heroes will murder you without a second thought, despite their pious nature they're just diet evil cronies.

You offer salvation in one hand, death in the other.. Well unfortunately for you, theres no salvation for you in either of my hands. There's only your blood, and death.

>You fucking capitalist pig think about the value of human life i am a victim too
We're all victims. But see this is what I meant. The supposed heroes who champion facets of goodness are incapable of empathy.
Liars with agendas to satisfy their own ends. Few if any actually believe the drivel they spin to justify themselves. Why do you think I gave up on the idea of goodness? It's all so fucking phony.

>>70501181
>We all have darkness within us. Other people, they fear their darkness. But me? I've embraced it.
You merely adopted the darkness, I was born in it, molded by it

>>70497264
Operating under the assumption that the devil is real that also means eternal salvation is, therefore I will see my loved one soon enough and not take the devil's deal.

And fuck doing it for money.

>lone good party member in a group of neutrals and evils
Man I feel like a cuck

>>70498939
>Virtually

It's a pretty wide gap really.

>>70499045

I'd raise that bet to a million and take it.

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>>70501470
T. Mohawked Cuck.

>>70498589
>you murdered him callously in the name of defending your precious material possessions hero
Oh shit I can't believe you pulled this retardation of all things out of your ass. If someone breaks into your home you have no idea what they're there for. It's not in yours or your family's interests to ask if he just wants your jewelry and vidya consoles. Your best interest is defending your home at all costs.

>>70502486
>Shoot first, ask questions later
Just like any good villain would do. Welcome to the club brother.

>>70502515
Circumstances are everything retard. In any other case I will try to deescalate a situation, but if someone is in my home where my family lives and sleeps I'm not going to try and figure out if they're there for murder and rape or material possessions and there is fuck all wrong with that.

I'm hardly enthusiastic to take a life, but I will defend myself and my family without question.

>>70499075
>Actually, you've been flip flopping between "I'm just a cunt for shits and giggles", "everyone else is evil anyway, at least I'm aware of it", and "I'm just doing what I have to do, there's a reason for everything" this whole time.
It's been an unintentionally fun character study. It's like watching a petty minor villain with delusions of grandeur slowly become worn down and show his true colors. Turns out all along the villain was just scared.

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>>70499305
>Girls especially love badboys like me
This is the thread that truly keeps on giving.

>>70499305
Lol

The funniest thing about run of the mill psychopaths is that they all think they're special.

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>>70484710
Good bait. You really triggered a bunch of people.

>>70489559
Actually he's suppressing it because letting it emerge inconveniences him. Nothing spooky about having control over one's self.

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>>70502761
And what's "special" about being another cog in the machine? Hiding amoungst the other docile sheep. Pretending you care about morals. And for what? So the other sheep will accept you?

Right this way! Step right up! And you too can follow society's little list of somewhat arbitrary rules! It's a game that nobody asked for but you all have to play anyways!
Cater to the sensibilities of overly sensitive SJWs! Ride the roller coaster of fear mongering! The fun never stops on this wild ride!

You see, their morals, their 'code'? It's a bad joke. Dropped whenever it's convenient for them. And it can even shift between different groups of people. Where people put on different faces like a fucking masquerade party.

You get these sort of "drive-thru" morals. Bastardizations of moral sounding things that sound smart that mindless idiots parrot over and over.

Frankly I don't know why you people even bother with it.

>>70502934
Because unlike you, our empathy circuits have not been severed during our pre-birth development. Does that satisfy you, defective?

>>70502934
>And what's "special" about being another cog in the machine?
Can you seriously respond to one post without operating on a false premise? He's not saying he is. He's saying you're a moron for acting like you are.

>>70499533
>So if you're starving, and I have this turkey sandwich, and you decide to steal that sandwich, I have the right to END YOUR LIFE because you stole it?
Yes.

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>>70484710
I made a thread yesterday with the same sort of theme. But I didn't really get into WHY being neutral rocks, so here are some things which make being neutral the best thing you can do, and also the most fun.

1. Killing without remorse.

By far one of the most annoying things in games is this idea of "oh we need to give mercy to the bad guys" kind of bullshit. A neutral character is free to kill when the situation logically warrants it, yet they don't fall into the banality of an Evil character's whimsical rampaging.

2. Doing what's necessary for the party, when it's necessary

As a neutral character, you're free to act within the law, outside of the law, selflessly, or selfishly as the situation dictates. You're not restrained by morality in what you can do, you can just fuckin do it, which is great for bypassing roadblocks in a campaign. Sometimes you just have to fucking do something.

3. YOU ACTUALLY GET TO HAVE AGENCY IN THE GAME

The biggest and best reason to be Neutral, is that you can give the DM the middle finger and bypass his 'moral quandary' if you need to. Once you do that, you become the center of attention, whether for better or worse, now you're the shot-caller. Now you're the boss.

Those other pussy heroes and villains want to do the same thing, but can't because they get cucked by their own morality. Which is why Neutral is so amazing especially in Roleplaying Games.

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>>70503021
>Because unlike you, our empathy circuits have not been severed during our pre-birth development
Thats interesting, because I was under the impression that just about everyones empathy circuits were malfunctioning.

With the United States consistently drone striking the middle east like they're playing a game of darts. You'd think we were all but detached from the suffering of others.

Remember when we drone striked a wedding?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike

Or any of the other countless times we killed civilians? How we ally ourselves with people like Kim Jong Un despite him being a tyrannical dictator?

How about when we let companies export all the jobs overseas to cheap out on labor costs which cost american jobs?

How about the other countless fucking examples of terrible shitty things happening but no one gave a single fuck about any of it?

>>70503025
I'm not special, I'm just ahead of the curve. See I'm not inside the fence with the rest of you. I'm on the outside looking in. And all I see are sad little sheep who traded away their identity and freedom for security. No one wants to stir the pot. No one wants to get involved and make a difference.

You SAY you're all heroes. But you're nothing but cowards. And while the world burns you're marathoning some new netflix series. Numbing yourself to it all.

Real heroic.

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>>70503148
See this works because Neutral is essentially diet evil.

You forgot all the flip flopping and switching to the good side when your conscience magically decides to work for a few minutes before it sputters to a halt and dies again when you realize that being good fucking sucks and you'd rather be a selfish bastard like me.

Kind of like that whole being evil business. Except you don't have the balls to own it. You'll play both sides like a cheating housewife, sleeping with both whenever it suits you. You're a cheap whore, and your loyalty is bought and sold, just like you.

I can never truly respect neutrals, because they just don't have the balls to admit what they are. Cowards.

what does your edge have to do with my traditional game? Did baby just learn the worlds not black and white? You need to be 18 to post here. 3 fucking thinly veiled pol morality threads, tell me about your last session, what was each player playing?

>>70503186
You're a bit lost in this roleplay at this point pal. None of us here are really heroes, not in the same way a character can be. We're just people trying to get by.

I sincerely doubt you're actually out in real life living out your evil fantasies or any of the other smoke your blowing up everyone's asses here bud.

>>70503255
Neutrals are egoists. Selfishness can end up serving others just as well as not.

>>70503255
t. Someone who doesn't actually get the job done
Neutral is all about results, son. You can't let morals get in the way of results. And yes, a dedication to chaos and evil counts as morals.

>>70485429
>using random first names
Why does this make me laugh every time

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>>70503265
We're discussing alignments, please try to keep up. I played a rogue in my last game. Was pretty fun.
>Did baby just learn the worlds not black and white?
No? I've known for a long ass time. Sounds like you're the one who needs a lesson about it. Go back up and read all the reasons why evil is fucking awesome.

>>70503282
>I sincerely doubt you're actually out in real life living out your evil fantasies
Sadly. Which is exactly why you shouldn't stop me when it comes to roleplaying games. Because I DO STRONGLY DESIRE VILLAINY, but it is difficult to pull off without getting arrested in real life.

>>70503360
>>70503362
It just feels like neutrals don't want to pick a side. So they were like fuck it, we'll just be in the middle. It's a big fucking cop out. Like of course every sheeples is gonna be like "bro I'm just neutral" because you don't have any of the loyalty or consequences of either side.

I wish they'd honestly just commit to evil like they should. Evil is pretty fucking great. You get to chill with all the villains. You get to be dark and brooding and edgy, plot evil schemes, do an evil laugh. It's fucking awesome ngl.

But I mean, when you pick neutral you aren't even really picking a side. You're just like "eh, I'll do your dirtywork if you pay me."

And it's just like, well what the fuck does that do? Where's the loyalty to your fucking alignment?

>>70503590
>Sadly. Which is exactly why you shouldn't stop me when it comes to roleplaying games. Because I DO STRONGLY DESIRE VILLAINY, but it is difficult to pull off without getting arrested in real life.
Then find a game where you can play it dude, it ain't that hard.

>>70499305
>Pageantry

So you're a flamboyant faggot who's going to be used for false flag purposes and discarded by the first Lawful Evil character who comes along while the party has earned up their gold the hard way and become swinging dick local heroes.

>>70503722
Essentially. If you've followed the thread in its whole this is the character arc here. >>70502664

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>>70503722
HAHAHHAHA, BRUH ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING. YOUR LAWFUL EVIL FUCCBOI IS GONNA GET STOMPED.

I WIPE ENTIRE TOWNS WHILE YOUR FAGGOT RIDES BITCH WITH A BUNCH OF GOODY-TWO-SHOES AHAHAHAHAHA!

>>70496320
I mean, if you're born a fucking lunatic who needs to murder people in horrific and prolific ways to get an erection then you might as well enlist in the army of the Good Kingdom™ so that when you return to the castle, covered in an inch-thick layer of crusted blood and with a codpiece that long since ruptured from the inside, you have a crowd of people cheering for you since you have technically made the world a better place for them as a side effect of your own narcissistic degeneracy, and you won't get armies of paladins chasing you down and smiting you. There's always another evil army to kill, another petty tyrant to slay, another band of orcs in the hills to butcher, crucify, and eat - Not necessarily in that order.

Life is certainly simpler that way. You ask the Wise King who needs to not be alive anymore, he points and shoots, you get to indulge your depravity with little-no consequence. Hell, the good guys want to keep you around because you make a good deterrent and example of what you can be if you just play ball.

>>70485355
i suggest you read nietzche. it seems a natural progression of this teen angst. dostoyevski would be better, but perhaps its more nuanced at this point.

>>70503590
This is why everyone hates moral absolutists. It's always "teams" with them. Fuck off, nigger, I'll act as moderately as I want. I don't want to eat babies for fun, but I'm fine with busting my buddy out of jail or selling out the kid diddling drug dealer across the street to the cops.

>>70499533

Your life is worth less than a turkey sandwich because you're an edgelord.

>>70499538

This. Most Chads are decent people who are only resented by assholes who confuse sensitive with nice.

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>>70503590
>Being Evil
>Having "loyalty" to your alignment as if you have to follow its rules

Dude, you suck at being Evil. Your "league of super cool evil guys", in any game founded on any slight basis of plausibility, is a scapegoat and a smokescreen for a bigger, more levelheaded evil who's scheming in the background. And personally, I'd prefer to play for that side if I have to be "evil".

>>70487577
>>This is what some people think like and they are almost right.
Yeah, they're so right that they're literal cucks. Clip related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJB9Z6Q2CsE

>>70499716
Shut up roastie, stop shitting on OP's thread im trying to enjoy the shitshow

>>70503590
>Sadly. Which is exactly why you shouldn't stop me when it comes to roleplaying games. Because I DO STRONGLY DESIRE VILLAINY, but it is difficult to pull off without getting arrested in real life.
Then ask to play an evil campaign next time around or something. They can be fun when everybody is on board.
Or just, you know, don't piss on everybody else's groove. If you play a chaotic evil stab-happy character in a good-leaning party without making special considerations and trying to work out the logistics with the rest of your group then you're being a cunt.

Just don't be a dick to your friends, my dude. It's that simple.

>>70487787
>>You can be kind and good without being weak.
Hahahahahahahahaha holy shit Hollywood movies really did a number on you, how's your luck with the ladies :D

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Wonder how assblasted OP will be when his evil "freinds" betray him for personal gain.

>>70504211
>Just don't be a dick to your friends, my dude. It's that simple.
No but see he's actually a deeply troubled evil person in real life so it's hard for him.

>>70504239
Great, thanks for asking.

>>70504263
He's a chuuni dweeb who would kick a puppy and then cry and feel guilty for the rest of his life, renounce his 'evil' ways, and then pretend that he's tormented by his inner darkness.

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I have decided from this point forward in the thread that you shall refer to me as "Hellscorn", as is befitting someone as evil and cunning as I am. With my Raven Black Hellblades, I'll rend my enemies. And steal their very souls in order to gain power. I will amass a following unlike any other. Soon dragons, and even gods shall come to my aid. And my dark kingdom shall be born.

This will be the campaign I choose to write. And it will be unlike most typical campaigns. As it will be EVIL, and focused on doing bad stuff instead of the typical goody-two-shoes shtick we get stuck with. As I've stated there are many benefits to serving the dark kingdom
>>70488579 As seen here.

But even more are sure to come as the campaign continues. Anyhow, I'm gonna make a big, dark evil looking castle, and it's gonna have clouds all over it. And the sky is gonna be red like blood. All around will be bodies impaled on spikes as a warning to those who would oppose my evil reign.
Lesser factions shall offer tribute to my greatness, and give me offerings of hot girls and gold and stuff.

And I'll have a harem of sexy slave girls who serve under me. And they'll all wear my symbol.
I will ride a red and black dragon into battle and people will run in fear at the monsters I command. Oh yes, there will be demons, and orcs, and bandits, and skeletons, and zombies, and basically all kinds of evil people who will serve me, and it'll be fucking awesome.

>>70504737
ur mom ghey.
evil is ghey, a bunch of guys backstabbing each other in the ass with their dicks. ghey ghey ghey.

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>>70504737
I can only imagine how great the infrastructure built by your spiky engineers of evil will be, oh great Lord. I'll refrain from asking about the ravenous taxation system of gloom since that would give me a headache.

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Holy shit I haven't laughed this hard at a thread in a while. This fucking OP is so chuuni I can see the wisps of DARKNESS coming off of him.

>>70499611
>I'm ready for a nice guy now teehee~

>>70505109
t. bitter incel

>>70504737
advanced levels of chuuni

>>70504737
DMPCs are lame yo

>>70484710
Nnnoooo...

That's called being an unempathetic sociopath

>>70484871
I 100% hate africanized (anything) honeybees and would happily purge them from my country (and theirs)

>>70504737
I'm so happy to come back and find this thread's puckered anus went and prolapsed into utter insanity. "Hellscorn." Fucking lmao! You deserve to enter the legend for this.

>>70499924

Are you gonna poison a whole river or is this a desert campaign? You know what they do to well poisoners, right? Why would the rest of the group join in on this? How do you sneak away to confer with the bandits?

>>70500277

Read The Leviathan.

>>70499538
Honestly, women mostly like men who are interesting and strong. Self-absorbed guys are really low on the list. As a PC with massive temporal power, I admit I have a thing for unusual, 'studly' partners like minotaurs and so on. Not for a relationship, but for physical gratification.

I particularly like undead, if I can make them myself. Not because of the Necromancy aspect, but because you utterly control your partner. That's admittedly pretty hot.

>>70507873
You're pathetic.

>>70507988
It's fantasy. Part of the fantasy is having leeway to pick your sexual partners purely for enjoyment. All of the PCs I've played with are awful and sweaty, and I don't want to give anyone the 'trophy' of an in-game romance. Hence, it's NPCs.

With NPCs and constructs, I can highlight that my PC is a sexual entity without being eligible to any of my party members. I mean, I like sex, but I don't want to sleep with the universally lame PCs. And yes, I universally play spellcasters.

Think of it as a movie, where the hero has an 'ex-wife' or a sexy girlfriend to show that he's having sex. This is the female equivalent, it takes the guy out of the equation.

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>>70504737
You finally sold me.

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>People so autistic they replied seriously to this

>>70504737
I suggest you yourself "ebony dark'ness dementia raven way"

>>70508229
This thread was a blast, bait or not.

>>70508797
No

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>Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Anon, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the evil terrorkeep had a very childish philosophy: that if the king was a evil man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Hellscorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was edgy and evil. But Anon doesn’t ask the question: What was Hellscorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these goody-two-shoes? By the end of the war, the hypocrite king is gone but all of the moralfags aren’t gone – they’re in the population. Did Hellscorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby moralfags and sheep like normalfags, in their little goody-two-shoes cradles?

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>>70503590
>he thinks that using violence is what makes someone automatically evil
lol, get a load of this pacifist

>>70485589
yeah this is the best thread of the week, love a good shit fling

>>70485779
We must seize the means of imitation comrades!!!