>>70716203
Yes.

The only thing I hate about superheroes is that they are not accountable for their actions. They can just punch the bad guys and run away. No due process, no court no nothing.

Meanwhile cops are liable to get sued and have to deal with the criminal afterwords. As well as provide evidence.

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>>70716203
Both. The officer is nowhere near the level of Superman, let alone Nightwing, but he is a valuable addition to the security of the park. If nothing else he can call for help if anything happens.

Basically, the secret to being a good guy - especially Superman-tier- is to firmly put a good spin on everything. You are valuable, worthwhile, important, because I genuinely see you as important and am not going to belittle you.

>>70716203
That cop is tweeked out of his mind, nobody is safe with him patrolling the park

>>70716203
Nice.
White lies exist for a reason.

Being totally honest and blunt is just a way to be an asshole.

>>70716264
Yeah. Would you feel safe knowing there's a guy so drugged up he's seeing superheroes on park benches?

>>70716203
If by "nice" you mean "compassionate," then nice, I guess. The goal of a good guy is to do good, to make things better. Si, if you have to pick one and only one, compassion is more important than honesty.

>>70716203
Kindness is a virtue, and truth is a weapon.

>>70716235
Also this. Realistic optimism and faith in humanity are vital to walking the straight and narrow path.

>>70716203
Honest. Good is about morals and ethics not attitude and behavior.

>>70716278
Look at his eyes, looks like he doesn’t even have eyelids, and he is reaching for his gun before he even identifies who he is looking at. He wants an excuse to empty his magazine into you.

>>70716235
I've had a rough week and I forgot this pic existed and it makes me feel good on the inside

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>>70716440
There's a reason the big blue boyscout is my favorite.

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>>70716350
That's kind of what I like about pic related. You set yourself up as something to aspire to, but only because you truly believe that people will follow if you just prove that it's possible.

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>>70716467
There's a reason why Garth Ennis, the most bitter Irishman on the planet, adores Superman.
He's the best.

>>70716203
Always be nice. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you treat people like they're people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl91v2Mvv94

>>70716488
Well technically if humanity joined Superman in the sun they would all be disintegrated from the heat and plasma.

>>70716203
>nice or honest?
These two aren't in conflict

If you have any level of social awareness and tact you can communicate without coming across as an abrasive shitbag

>>70716488
Too bad it isn’t possible. At least someone like Batman or even Lex Luthor proposes a human ideal, if you work hard and sacrifice you might be able to match them, but you will never match superman, not with science, not with tehnology, not with hard work.

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>>70716505
Fuck it, time to share one of my favorite Superman moments.

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>>70716557
You can't match him physically, no. But you can match him ideologically. So much of what Batman and Lex Luthor have comes from their intelligence, or wealth. Being good can come from anyone.

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>>70716557
The idea isnt to be as powerful as Superman is. Superman isnt who he is because of his powers, and there've been times that even without his powers he still tries to do the right thing.

Its about being a decent person, anon. You dont have to be able to punch planets to be someone's Superman. You just have to do what you can to try and make this hostile world just a little bit brighter.

>>70716203
Superman literally cannot save everyone no matter how hard he tries. That's one of the biggest conflicts in his character. Plus some stuff about the line between protector and dictator, and the need for normal people to step up on their own.

Superman needs normies to pull their own weight and save people too. He can't do it alone. If he lets the cops get complacent, people will die from their negligence and there won't be anything supes can do about it. That's why he considers them important and needs to inspire them.

>>70716593
>Superman isn't who he is because of his powers
Well I mean, he kinda is. He wouldn't be nearly as famous as he is today if he was just some normal guy who happened to be really nice.

>>70716593
>Superman isnt who he is because of his powers
Yes he is, it is literally in his name. There is a reason superman is the saviour of the earth and not some random nice cop and father.

Being a good person isn’t hard or notable, it isn’t an ideal, just a thing.

>>70716618
>>70716619
Not him, but without being a wonderful person he'd basically just be a reskin of stardust the super wizard

>>70716618
>>70716619
You guys missed the point. I wasnt talking about his image or anything, I was saying his moral compass and ability to take the initiative is more conducive to who the character is than just his powerset, and thats the part you try to match.

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>>70716520
>>70716557
It's not literal.
It's also not referring to Superman's abilities or anything like that.
It's referring to his moral compass, his ability to be the figure who will never let you down, who will always do good, who will always help.
There's way more to it than that in that specific comic, but we don't need to get into Grant Morrison depth right now.

>>70716658
yeah but they can't argue that without looking like either a bastard or bitter cynic. So they are going to purposely "misunderstand" the point so they can argue against superman without looking like the bad guy.

>>70716658
But it really isn’t. Superman’s defining feature isn’t that he is good, it is that he has godlike powers. If you want a person whose defining feature is “good person who tries to bring out the best in others” look at Fred Rogers since that was actually his defining trait.

>>70716694
The best stories use the latter to sell the former. If he just had super powers he'd be one of many, but by being superman he's the ideal.

>>70716646
Or he would just be literally any other hero, Captain America, Batman, the Flash, Iron Man, Martian Manhunter, etc. This isn’t a dichotomy of lunatic sociopath or paragon of virtue.

>>70716694
Okay you can only be contrarian so long so whatever dude, you do you.
But yes, I agree with you on Fred Rogers, he was a super good dude too.

>>70716658
His ability to take the initiative is largely thanks to his superpowers. I love Mr. Rogers but if he went up against Darkseid he'd fucking die.

>>70716722
And who gives a shit? Being a good person isn’t hard. It is even easier when people are literally incapable of harming you.

>>70716694
>Superman’s defining feature isn’t that he is good, it is that he has godlike powers

There are other attempts at similarly overpowered heroes who aren't amazing people, but they just kind of fall flat. Superman's uncompromising commitment to truth and justice is absolutely a necessary element to his appeal.

>>70716732
The point is that Fred Rogers is inspirational because he is human. Who gives a shit if god is good? God is supposed to be good, it isn’t hard for him to be good. But for a human who faces actual challenges remaining good in the face of adversity is more inspirational.

Someone who lost their entire family in a tragedy but emotionally recovered is more inspirational than someone who never faced real hardship saying “you just have to keep your chin up.”

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>>70716735
>taking the initiative on being a good person means fighting space satan
>not just doing what you can within your abilities, even if its just a little bit
>such as Mr. Rogers inspiring the shit out of people with his tv show
You're smarter than this, anon.

>>70716766
Mr. Rogers was able to inspire people because he was human, because you could do what he could. He hated being considered a hero because he didn't want people to idolize him as a pedestal they couldn't reach. Superman, for all his moral righteousness, is quite literally an unreachable pedestal. You can never be a hero like Superman, no matter how hard you try, but you can be like Mr. Rogers.

>>70716756
>superman didn't lose his family in a tragedy
>child refugee orphan never faced 'real hardship'

Come back when you know literally anything about capeshit lore.

>>70716786
Then be like Mr. Rogers. Thats what I meant by doing even the little bit that you're able to do. Not everyone can be Superman, the idea is not to be Superman, its to not be a douche.
You're just trying to play contrarian hipster like the rest of 4chan always does.

>>70716800
>Lost his family as a baby
>This is tragedy
I would hardly call something you weren’t even sapient to witness a tragedy. Besides he was adopted by loving parents it isn’t like he was adopted by abusive assholes or was a parentless street rat in New Delhi who never had parental figures. He lived a comfortable all American country life before moving to the big city and his “tragedy” is that he was adopted.

>>70716805
The whole point isn’t about doing good it is that Superman isn’t inspirational. Yes, be good, do good, great, but Superman isn’t inspirational in any way, you can never reah the aspect of Superman that people actually cares about and is actually unattainable.

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>>70716694
Remember that most of Superman's conflicts are put on a grander scale because of his powers. He may be powerful, but that just means he has to fight amazingly powerful villains or suffer huge, hard choices. Like saving humanity or refusing to kill, and he's the only one powerful enough to kill the evil sonofabitch.

>>70716835
Sorry you don't know anything about child development, psychology, belongingness or anything like that. Maybe you'll learn it when you get out of the edgy phase.

>>70716854
>Like saving humanity or refusing to kill, and he's the only one powerful enough to kill the evil sonofabitch.
Kill him? Police officers and soldiers have to confront the idea if remaining a good person while taking a life all the time (collectively, most soldiers and police officers never face that issue personally), and they don’t even get the comfort of killing for the survival of all humanity, they kill to protect themselves or maybe a handful of innocents or allies.

>all of these people missing the point of Superman because they're literally real life Lex Luthors
He's a good man that does good. Often, it's not his powers that allow him to do good or enable him to do the right thing. The entire point is that, even with those powers, he's still 'human', and much of what he accomplishes is because his greatest superpower is doing what's right.

Lex Luthor believes that it's crazy that somebody with such power wouldn't use it to take control and become dominant. Superman sees the power as a means to help more than he could without them. If he had no powers, he'd still be the same person, and he'd still help others. Because being a good person isn't something you do because you feel obligated or you feel like you have the power to. It's something you do because it's the right thing to do.

>>70716854
Unless you're a military veteran or on rare occasion a police officer the choice of whether to kill someone to save others is not a very relatable dilemma.

>>70716593
>You just have to do what you can to try and make this hostile world just a little bit brighter.
I've actually become a better happier person since I started living like that

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>>70716905
It's more that it tests who Superman is as a person and proves that, yes, he will remain true to his values. And also tends to show off some level of cleverness, since he can't just brute force his way out of the situation. You could also argue that choosing between what is practical and necessary, and what is idealistic and virtuous, is something we struggle with every day. We feel like we don't get to be our best selves because the pressure of the world around us, and Superman carries that weight.

If you want something more relatable, Superman's got that too. He has a family to look after, relationships he struggles with juggling alongside his job. It's just when he takes a trip, he can take his to a distant planet.

>>70716232
>they are not accountable for their actions
Says who? That hasn't been a thing in Marvel or DC for years.
>due process
Is the legal procedure by which the state locks people up, superheroes don't luck anyone up, only a handful in Marvel can even do it, because they work for the government or have an official charter, like the Avengers.
>cops can get sued
So can superheroes, but they come from worlds where they have existed for quite a long time, they know how to deal with the law.
>provide evidence
That's the prosecution's job, the police gather evidence for them. But it's not required for a citizen's arrest, which is the closest real world equivalent of what supers do. Also, nine times out of ten criminals attack them first, so it becomes textbook self defense. The one notable exception to that one is Batman, but he's 1, a shit character, 2, not a superhero, and 3, often considered an outlaw himself anyway.

>>70716617
It says a lot about society when people think a man who has the power to do anything, but chooses to be a good person, is unrelatable.

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>>70716737
>Being a good person isn’t hard
Ask me how I know you're an asshole irl.

>>70717100
Unrelatable is too strong of a word, unattainable is more appropriate. It's kind of like Jesus, we all want to be like Jesus but we also all know that we'll fail. No one can be perfect like Jesus was, but we still ought to try to be like him.

>>70717122
>unattainable
Saying his ideals are beyond humanity is belittling to us. That kind of pessimism is 100% what Lex Luthor's all about. He thinks Superman's mere existence, being more than Lex ever could because he's human, mocks him. Be better than that.

>>70716903
>because they're literally real life Lex Luthors

No, they're just edgy teens. Possibly just one or two people even.

>>70716557
It's not about power. Superman has put his life on the line without having his powers several times. He fought crime in Gotham for a year without access to Batman's resources OR his powers and he did fine.

>>70717150
Superman's ideals aren't beyond humanity, but his actions are, even if he was human. Nobody can make the right choice 100% of the time.

>>70717198
He doesn't, there was a comic that showed the letters he gets the ones he keeps, are the ones that curse him for not being perfect, for making a bad call. He keeps them to remind him how costly his choices can be,

>>70717237
I'm not talking about mistakes, anyone can make mistakes, I'm sure Jesus accidentally spilled his water or stubbed his toe sometimes. I'm talking about moral failings, doing the morally wrong thing.

>>70717263
And now we're back to belittling. You don't think a human being is capable of being morally upright all the time.

>>70717281
Well, see, this is where things get complicated. A human IS capable of being morally righteous all of the time, after all Jesus did just that. But (with the exception of Jesus) no human will. Every single one of us will, at some point, perform an evil act. Most of us commit evil acts every single day, including myself. I strive to be like Jesus, but I'm not narcissistic enough to pretend I'm anywhere close to it.

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I love the whole spirit in this thread, how many decent balanced people are in here and how ably they rebut the edgelord contrarians. Damn good pictures too.

Imma submit this to the suptg archive—hasn’t been a thread this worthy in a while.

>>70716203
The cop gets killed, doesn't he? Anyway, neither are particularly important overall to being a good person. Sure, you COULD be nice and honest if it's appropriate for the situation but what matters most is a commitment to justice no matter how many lies you have to tell or bodies you have to bury in your pursuit of it. Being honest and nice ALL THE TIME no matter what, though? That's just counterproductive. At some point it's going to bite you in the ass.

Superman gives me this warm fuzzy feeling inside that other superheros just can't. This might sound cheesy but at times he's my idol

NOW ONLY IF I COULD GET A CHANCE TO PLAY HIM IN DND

>>70716430
Not to mention that cop inexplicably has two left arms.

>>70717302
And I don't see it as narcissism, but I do see your viewpoint as pessimism.

>>70717079
Its almost like the person your replying to doesn't read comic books

>>70717353
Well I don't blame you, it's not uncommon for people to think of themselves as morally good these days. It's little wonder so few people appreciate Christ's sacrifice in the western world when people don't think they deserve to burn in Hell in the first place.

>>70717263
The point is that we should strive to be like Superman or Jesus. It's not easy to always try and do the right thing, harder yet to actually do it. But someone who does try, and can tell exciting stories that inspire children, that's a worthy inspiration.
It's why Spuderman and Superman are the best heroes. Their characterisation is that they try and do the right thing and do right by everyone.

>>70717333
Play Mutants & Masterminds instead. I think they even have a DC splatbook.

>>70717412
Nah what I mean't was a character like him. I've always wanted to play a LG character, but all the campaigns I've been in don't really fit it.

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>>70716562
>>70716576
>>70716589
>Dicks around trying to save one person while criminals run rampant in the streets killing with reckless abandon
>destroys police equipment because emo girl didn't like the bright light
And that is why Judge Dredd, The Punisher, and Batman will always be the better "Good Guys''.

>>70716694
Nah. There are dozen of overpowered comic book characters as powerful or more powerful than him. His powerset is clearly part of his identity but he's not his defining feature.

>>70716203
Honesty should be tempered with kindness, and kindness with honesty. Don't use niceness as an excuse to ignore someone's problems and let them fester, but at the same time do not use blunt honesty to destroy them when you can instead better them through mutual understanding.

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>>70717554
Now Judge Dredd is a relatable character. Just a guy trying to keep order in a city full of scumbags.

>>70717554
If you look REALLY hard, Dredd really does lean towards good rather then neutral, but it's subtle on his part.

>>70716505
>what if we made god
>and then put a cape on him because we're too much a bunch of edgy losers to call ourselves Christian

>>70716576
>Implying JFK or Lennon were good guys

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>>70717302
It's not like Jesus was immune to temptation or anger.

>>70716203
Honest. Niceness is typically out of selfish necessity, rather than actual good will.

>>70716512
This is great. I deal with the homeless all the time at my job and it's amazing how all you have to do is ask without being condescending or cruel to get people to be better. People just don't think about how they affect others sometimes.

Unfortunately, there are quite a few entitled assholes as well. People you can usually pick out just based on... appearance. Regardless of the state of their clothes or even body language.

>>70716989
who's the chick? Catwoman? Femme Joker?

>>70717637
True, he did get tempted, but not once did he ever sin. No other human can boast of such a feat, we can strive to be like Jesus but we'll never be sinless like he was.

>>70716589
>>70716576
>>70716562
What the fuck? I love Superman, now... I always thought he was a shitty superhero, but the stuff in this thread make him seem like a true paragon of good.

>talking about manchild comic books with people in spandex
/co/ is that way

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>>70717652
There is a reason when you ask for the best superman moments ever you usually get pic related or similar. In my experience very few superman fan are his fans because of the powerset.

>>70716203
Personally, I've always been a fan of honesty, and since I'm the only person in the world who feels that way, I can tell you with certainty that being nice will make you look more good than being honest.

>>70716935
But it's illegal to kill people.

>>70717647
Lois lane.

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>>70717702
It's also illegal to beat up suspected criminals, but don't let the law stop you from doing what is right. Remember, just because the world calls you a psychotic violent vigilante, that doesn't mean you aren't a hero.

>>70717717
>Moralfaggotry
Fucking C R I N G E

>>70717717
Vigilantism is evil.

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>>70717770
The vast history of comic book heroes would care to disagree.

>>70717779
Good thing we don't define our morality around corporate inventions, eh?

>>70717790
We absolutely fucking do. Why do you think we call them "heroes" for petes sake?

>>70717770
>it's only okay to take the law into your own hands when you're an invincible demigod
I can't imagine caring this little about my community. Back in 2009, me and four others bashed a local faggot that we caught lying in the bushes next to an elementary playground having a wank. He left once he got out of the hospital and probably still has a limp. That's justice.

>>70717802
We? You mean what the corporate overlords at DC/Marvel present them as?

>>70717864
Words have meaning, when people refer to the inflicters of vigilante justice as superheroes that's more than just a name, that's their opinion on vigilantes. It takes a special kind of courage to defy the law and put a bullet between the eyes of the scumbags that deserve it when lawful justice escapes them.

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>>70717554
There is a bit of generosity in that - no matter what your difficulty is, if someone helps you, you don't want them to do it quick and efficiently. But, Dredd definitely has his place.

>>70717717
This is the same logic people use that got unpopular people and pariahs burnt as witches a few hundred years ago. What makes you think your a competent enough judge of character to decide that? Who are you accountable to?

>>70717879
>Words have meaning, when people refer to the inflicters of vigilante justice as superheroes that's more than just a name, that's their opinion on vigilantes.
So people should collectively arbitrate what constitutes as right and wrong? Sounds to me like mob mentality.
>It takes a special kind of courage to defy the law and put a bullet between the eyes of the scumbags that deserve it when lawful justice escapes them.
So are you saying it's ok to defile the law simply because you personally feel it to be wrong? What value do the laws even hold then if you can simply decide when you should follow them? How can you suggest there can be justice when there is no standard we should all equally uphold ourselves too?

>>70717946
>defile the law
You have to be 18+ to post here

>>70718037
>can't refute my argument and resorts to ad hominem because he can't grasp the concept that law and justice are intrinsically connected
Big yikes!

>>70717946
>So are you saying it's ok to defile the law simply because you personally feel it to be wrong? What value do the laws even hold then if you can simply decide when you should follow them? How can you suggest there can be justice when there is no standard we should all equally uphold ourselves too?
"Superheroes" are the common name for masked vigilantes who take it upon themselves to right what they perceive as wrong, when no-one else is either able or willing to assist.

In the world where superheros exist, the rule of law itself has broken down, where people doing bad things go unopposed by police (how can a policeman hope to resist someone with a freeze ray that creates walls to block them and freezes their cars solid with them inside?)

There are times when the law can and should be broken. One of those times is when the alternative to complying with the law is unpalatable by all. If putting Zod in a two by four cell with concrete walls and iron bars in Arkham Asylum is the act of the criminal justice system, and the result of that is less than a moment before he tears free and levels the city, killing Zod, even if illegal, is what is needed.

In the land of superheros, the rule of law is often inefficient, and underpowered. If you think it's important to obey the law, the law should first stop bad things happening so there's no need to break it. We wouldn't need to murder villains if the law stopped the villains to begin with.

>>70716203
Honest, nice is for people who are not superhuman.

>>70716562
>>70716576
>>70716589
Shit like this is why I hate what Snyder did to Superman.

Go read Dworkin before you even think about posting again

>>70718167
I read Dworkin. Porn IS evil.

>>70717592
>Elderly man tries scatter his wife's ashes at their favorite part of the city
>Dredd swings by and arrests him for littering
>Lets the man scatter the ashes legally before hauling him off to the cubes
kino

>>70718085
Everything you just told me exclusively makes sense in the cuckoo World of Superheroes where somehow the subduing of monsters would somehow be against the interests of the Law or that they would have zero resources to combat major threats. The very premise goes against any meaningful realm of logic and reason. This is why they are utter shit. If you want to engage in an actual debate on the nature of law and justice rather than proposing a silly hypothesis where superheroes would ever make sense, then feel free.

>>70716512
That thumbs up the Flash gives after Trickster goes "Got me again Flash!" always brings a smile to my face.

>>70718197
> somehow the subduing of monsters would somehow be against the interests of the Law or that they would have zero resources to combat major threats

Yeah, like the situation with mexico's drug cartels.

>The very premise goes against any meaningful realm of logic and reason

Yeah, like the situation with mexico's drug cartels.

>you want to engage in an actual debate on the nature of law and justice rather than proposing a silly hypothesis where superheroes would ever make sense
If superheros were in real life mexico fucking up drug cartels do you think the government would cheer them on, or say that it's bad that a bunch of cartel folks got killed off? What do you think the public would think? The locals? The people who get harmed by the cartels? The people who rely on the cartels to get money reluctantly? People overseas hearing about this happening?

I can't imagine thinking in any way, shape, or form that some rich jew can ever decide what constitutes as a "hero" to the populace and that you can actually eat it up.

Good =/= nice

>>70716203
Nice, but not at the expense of endangering someone.

>>70718243
>Yeah, like the situation with mexico's drug cartels.
You're right, it IS an extremely convoluted situation where both sides are stuck in an effective stalemate and has effectively grown into a monstrous titan of its former self. Yet you somehow think a single person can make a right answer.
>If superheros were in real life mexico fucking up drug cartels do you think the government would cheer them on, or say that it's bad that a bunch of cartel folks got killed off? What do you think the public would think? The locals? The people who get harmed by the cartels? The people who rely on the cartels to get money reluctantly? People overseas hearing about this happening?
Believe it or not, going around randomly killing "The Big Bad Cartel" can in fact pose serious conflicts of interests for a lot of fucking people (and not just corrupt politicians/drug kingpins before you strawman me). I like the fact you say they immediately go off murdering cartel members rather than analyzing the entire situation and working with officials. Just to show that superheroes are for vapid manchildren with zero critical thinking skills.

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On the subject of Vigilantism

>>70717554
>literally anyone in the Dredd universe
>a good guy

Lawful lawful maybe. Never on the Good axis.

>>70717770
>Vigilantism is evil.
No. Vigilantism in itself is not good nor evil.

>>70718372
>Yet you somehow think a single person can make a right answer.
You're right, it is a complex situation. But it's also a bad situation. Sitting still and letting things fester is not in the interests of people who live there. Sadly, they've got little power to change things.

>Believe it or not, going around randomly killing "The Big Bad Cartel" can in fact pose serious conflicts of interests for a lot of fucking people
Wow, it's like you didn't even read my last line in full. Of course there's fucking conflicts of interest. The cartels are big enough that a fair number of folk have family entrenched in them. Locals get paid by them, it brings in money. And yet the drug cartels still harm a lot of folks.

>analyzing the entire situation and working with officials
Yeah, go flash your cards to the locals officials, tell them where you live, and be surprised you end up dead within a week of starting any operation when informants tell the cartels where you live. "The government will help" is a nice thought, but sometimes it's just that - an ideal.

The law is insufficient to handle the problem. No-one has enough of a stake in the place to do something about it, and benefit "more" by not changing the status quo. (Here benefit includes "not being executed by the cartels"). That's why if the government can't get things sorted out, vigilantism would be the only recourse the locals have left, when things get bad enough.

You know what helped the push for chinese anti-corruption measures? It wasn't most of the measures that the government took. It was vigilantes going and offing the most corrupt chinese officials, then being executed because they broke the law. China's still corrupt as fuck, but vigilantism was the appropriate act to help change things for the better. It's a warning sign to both the government that they're fucking up, and to bad people to say, you've hurt enough people that someone will be willing to die to see you dead.

>>70718490
>Unironically looking at China popular courts as a good thing

Holy shit anon.

>>70716611
I recall one episode of him telling some rando guy on rooftop about how he could always hear people screaming "help" but because there were so many, he always had to play God and choose who he'd save and how that made he feel like shit.

>>70718490
>>70718372
Anyway, the key point to what I'm trying to laboriously say is:
The law isn't perfect. It's not intelligent. It's not changed fast. It isn't on the scene.

If the law needs to be broken to do something you see as important, you should break the law - and accept the consequences of breaking the law.

The last point is the important one - once you've done your task, turn yourself in. If you jaywalk across a crowded road to pull a girl out the way of oncoming traffic, fess up to it. If you've murdered a politician who was about to anonymously order the release of poisonous gas onto crowds of protesters, own up to it. That's where I feel superheros fail in many cases.

But trying to say you should sit back and let the law handle everything? You put too much faith in the law. The law is designed to help people. It's not sacrosanct, it's not something holy. It's something that if it fails, it should be fixed, and while it's being fixed the people that the law is failing need to be helped.

That is where vigilantism comes in.

>>70718544
>Holy shit anon
Are you saying the actual courts in China are better? Go ahead, please, make the argument, "the law is important and you should work with the law and not be a vigilante"
Sure, go ahead and try working with the Chinese government. How well do you think that will go?

It's fucked up either way, but one way will at least achieve something.

>>70718610
>one way will at least achieve something
Yes, the assassination of political dissidents and people that simply weren't well liked. Popular courts are literally mob mentality and witch hunts. Arguing in favour of them because of China corrupt law system is literally like arguing in favour of serial killers compared to gangsters. Two wrongs don't make a right anon.

I'm tearing up already and I haven't even finished the thread....is it weird that happy/optimistic things make cry?

>>70716232
>They can just punch the bad guys and run away.

Superman has to restrain himself all the time. He never kills and he does not hit a human beeing harder than necessary. That's how good boys do it.

>>70717803
you did well on that day anon

>>70718687
>Popular courts are literally mob mentality and witch hunts.
You're an absolute retard if you don't recognise that THE LAW that you are so proud of is simply codified mob rule, as thought up by the government. It just so happens that most of current culture of most places agree with enough of the law that they don't want it changed.

It doesn't mean the law can't be wrong. It usually isn't wrong because a lot of smart people over a long time refined it, but the rule of law stems from the people being willing to abide by it.

Guess what happens when a law is hated? Look up the Prohibition sometime.

>>70717946
>So people should collectively arbitrate what constitutes as right and wrong?
The only real ways to rule are
>An individual or individuals say what to do and people do it
>The people decide what to do amidst themselves
>Everyone references an already existing law
>People just do whatever they like until someone else stops them by force
The first case is still arbitration, but by a smaller group.
The second case is a straight example of what you're looking for.
The third example is a law that was arbitrated on in the past, whether by an individual or a group.
The fourth case is the second case, but with less organization.
I hate it when people use the word 'arbitrary' to mean 'meaningless'. Arbitrary means something is decided on by a person rather than existing in of itself. Either by divine command or by group choice, all legal law was at one point arbitrary. That does not make it immoral, but moral law is not the same thing as legal law. Moral law is a matter of what has value and what deserves priority. Legal law is the procedures in place by the government to handle the priorities of the state and its constituents.

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>>70718939
I'm not saying that the law is perfect and can't be wrong. I'm saying that you are an absolute retard who had his brain rotten by capeshit if you believe that mob mentality is better.

>>70718408
The state can't even make the trains run on time.

>>70716203

It doesn't matter. Being a good guy has nothing to do with being nice or honest. You can be evil and honest or evil and outwardly nice.

Batman beats people up, breaks into places, spies and cheats and lies all the time, but he is a good guy because he is morally just.

In fact, honesty taken to extremes is often amoral and antithetical to being nice. A true villain will often be more honest than anyone else.

>>70718687
>Arguing in favour of them because of China corrupt law system is literally like arguing in favour of serial killers compared to gangsters. Two wrongs don't make a right anon.
If there were a serial killer going around killing only gangsters, I'd cheer for him and help him out if I thought I could get away with it.

>>70719054
>if you believe that mob mentality is better.
You're correct in saying that very often mob mentality isn't right. But I will stand by saying when the law IS either wrong or unable to produce results, someone stepping in to prevent injustice IS better than letting the law sit back and do nothing.

Here's the wonderful thing about the law in many places. If you can get twelve people to agree what you did was absolutely reasonable, you're absolutely fine. Even if you broke the law. It's called a trial.

Isn't that the greatest in mob mentality?

C'mon, use your own head. Would you break the law to prevent an injustice from happening? Would you jaywalk to stop a child being run over? Hell, would you jaywalk and cross the road to avoid being hit by a truck that's careening down the the sidewalk towards you at lethal speeds? If you would, that's the same mindset of vigilantism. You feel that what the results of the following the law are going to lead to worse consequences than if you follow the law. And you act accordingly.

>>70719040
When he takes himself seriously, Garth Ennis is so fucking stupid.

>>70719128
You are either a teenager or a retard. The extremely simplified black and white world you are talking about exist only in capeshit. In real life situations where you absolutely have to kill a guy to stop him from dumping poison in a river does not exist.

>>70719120
That's the point isn't it? Serial killer don't discriminate in that way. You can cheer when he kill some monster but you stop cheering very fast when he decides that a familiar or someone you know is also someone that deserve to be punished.

>>70716274
being totally nice is what psychopaths do

>>70719185
I dunno, preemptively nuking General Carbide and anyone that would seek to fill their niche might be equivalent in effect.

>>70719234
Being totally honest is what autists do. It's less horrible but ultimately true goodness comes from modulating both characteristics to achieve the greatest good. Ideally if you encourage better natures for long enough people become strong enough to forgo the need for white lies.

>>70719185
>The extremely simplified black and white world you are talking about exist only in capeshit
In the real world there isn't much need for superheros, that is true. No superpowered villains running around who the law can't handle.

But you're even more of an idiot if you think that the "not obeying the law 100% of the time" is "extremely simplified black and white".

>>70716603
I didn't expect to be in tears before work but here we are. That, exactly, almost word for word, is the promise I made myself 5 years ago when I was trying to decide whether to bother living. I'd just failed out of university, felt like my life was pointless and would never get better. It did, thankfully. Whoever wrote that, /gets/ it. I still wonder if my choice was right sometimes. This was a nice reminder. Thank you, anon.

>>70719224
>Serial killer don't discriminate in that way.
What? Even if you only killed gangsters, you'd still be a serial killer once got up to enough kills.

To make this actually /tg/ instead of /co/ moralfagging:
Suspension of disbelief is an absolute must when it comes to capeshit. Imagine playing Dungeons & Dragons with a DM that promises a "realistic experience", but never being able to enter a town without turning in your weapons and spellbooks and whatnot because the Local Lord deems armed strangers a menace to society. Is it realistic? Yes. But it's damned inconvenient for the players. Or having to get a warrant before you go into the nalfanshee's dungeon hidden under the tavern. Again, realistic, but having to wait on in-universe paperwork to keep the campaign going isn't much fun.

>>70717122
Reminds me of something I heard in Sunday school a long time ago.
>You'll never be perfect like Jesus, but you can get pretty close
The idea of striving towards perfect goodness knowing you will never reach it is something that resonates with me.

>>70716756
>God is supposed to be good
Is entitlement a symptom of Abrahamic religions?
In case it needs to be spelled out: No, there's nothing inherently good about Gods unless you take the "might makes right" approach.
>Who gives a shit if god is good?
We do, of course. Superman could have decided people abusing his super-hearing all the time with cries for help is annoying and then used his god-like powers to put the world under his boots and keep it silent, or that the best way to keep people alive is to take a totalitarian approach and rule the world with iron fists (as he did in Red Son and Injustice). We wouldn't like any of those, so we're just glad Superman is a good guy who goes around helping people.
>it isn’t hard for him to be good
What? See >>70718556 and >>70716668. Behind all the superpowers Superman is just a guy, yet his own powers forces him to hear the suffering of innocents across the globe and again because he has the power to help them he's forced by his conscience to go out and help them. However he's just god-like, not a God, which means he can't save everyone and has to choose who he will. How should a good person act here? He doesn't know, he just has to play god despite his humble nature and carry the guilt with him.
The point of story here >>70716562 is exactly about that. What is good? Would it be good to grab that girl and bring her down to ground and fly off to stop a thief, giving no regards to her mental health and suffering? In this case he chose to be a person she didn't had, a friend to give a shoulder to cry on, someone who genuinely cares about her, not just social order, and it saved not only her life but her happiness, though by doing so might have prevented him from saving someone else. It's a choice he had to make with no objective answer.
>but emotionally recovered
If you're talking about Batman, I wouldn't call him recovered. In fact, his own disguised insanity is often the focus of his stories. Do you even read?

>>70717554
>Destroys police equipment
It's a damaged cable i doubt it costs the police that much and that he would not pay it

>>70719464
He could have just zipped down there and unplugged it instead of being an asshole.

>>70719057
I hear the trains always run on time in Germany.

>>70719291
i agree. Only honesty was called out in the post I was replying to, through

>>70718408
That would imply the State works as intended... And it does not.

>>70717770
The "vigilantism" of most caped heroes are considered good because they only stop criminal in the act. Superman doesn't go beating up Lex Luthor just because he might be planning something evil.
They also never use excessive force. If they capture the criminal or they yield, they stop there and hand it to the authorities. They don't keep beating them up to "teach a lesson". Combined with the above, one could even say what they do is not vigilantism but just superpowered citizen's arrest.

Meanwhile RL vigilantes are very rarely that disciplined. They act on suspicion, believing they know it better, risking harming actually innocent people. If they capture a pickpocket they will mob up and lynch the criminal, causing lasting damage or even death. You could see both happen at once, the man they thought was the thief? Just an innocent passerby. Oops. People who go vigilante are not exactly the most well adjusted individuals, anyway.

>>70716232
Let's say a guy was trying to mug you at knifepoint. Then another guy showed up and body slammed the guy with a knife.

Is the Bodyslam guy guility of commiting a crime?

No.

>>70719530
I agree the state is imperfect and I see that page as really optimistic, but I trust individual much less.

>>70716619
Superman wouldn't stop being Superman if he lost his powers.

He'd just be nice batman.

>>70718054
>Big yikes
>morals are gay
>I am an edgy motherfucker
You need to have an IQ of at least 18 to post here.

>>70717263
The point isn't to dwell on the moral failings, but to learn from them.

>>70719557
Honestly that's a good call. But theoretically if that act of vigilantism was done with some carefully made research done beforehand or with some concrete and true evidence that the target of the act is deserving of such act would you really oppose it? Yes this a theoretical scenario but just to put an example.

>>70718195
You downplayed it.

The man was trying to illegally bury his wife in a cemetary, which are all expensive as fuck.

Dredd arrests him for it, but then stops the man's wife from going to resyc and pays out of his wage for her to be buried.

When confronted about this Dredd said "I had a moment of weakness, won't happen again"

He then went on to push for Mutant rights, because Judge Dredd is a character who upholds the SPIRIT of Law, not the WORD.

>>70719557
A good government has an equal balance of both.

>>70719618
>Theoretical scenario

Or you know, turn of the century west.

"Stop thief" used to be a call to action: The public was expected to help keep the peace.

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>>70716235
ok, both O.P's and the response pic' and comment legit made me smile. ty anon's.
this made my day a little less shit. cheers.

to answer your question O.P - both, both are a valuble element in being gud, but it depends on what ratio and context of the situation. there's allot more to it than that but i'd say a bit of both at the right time.

>>70716264
>>70716278
>>70716430
>>70717352
my fucking sides are in orbit - fucking wow.

>>70717614
Superman was made by Jews.

His Origin Story was made as an inspirational story of how people from widely different backgrounds can come to America and become American.

>>70717650
Jesus must have sinned because god came down as jesus to be a man, and to be a man, you must sin.

Jesus not having sin and being unattainable sounds like catholic cuckery to me.

>>70719618
I'll have to throw a shitty "it depends" reply.
Suppose the criminal he has all sort of proofs is, say, some random guy who sexually assaults minors. I think he should submit his proofs to the authority and let them deal with it.
However, if this guy were not just a normal citizen but a politician or businessman with a lot of clout, enough to obfuscate the lawful investigations and escape justice, then I could see the act of vigilantist to kill this person as justifiable. However this kind of scenario is very rare, when you see something similar it's a journalist that can gather the information but not do anything about it but publishing it and hoping for the best, or a crazy guy with a dagger stabbing the politician he hate with little to no proof of any wrongdoings.
Most IRL cases of vigilantism involved the first scenario, against ordinary citizens, but executed without any proof and with excessive violence. People who got their car jacked torturing the thief, father beating the crap out of the supposed pedo neighbor when in fact he was absolutely innocent, and so on.

>>70719654
That's citizen's arrest, not vigilantism.
Nothing wrong with stopping a criminal in the act and handing them to the sheriff/cops when they arrive. Vigilantes distrusts authority and takes evereything into their hands, literally going judge, jury and executioner.

>>70719764
Vigilantism isn't just murdering people. Citizens arrests are what superhero vigilantism is based upon and are legal is most places in the western world.

If some fucker like the joker was running around and you knocked him shitless with a baseball bat, you're still a vigilante and not doing anything illegal.

>>70719808
Most Superheroes are not actually Vigilantes. This is a common misconception which I think was brought about by DC's Western Cowboy comics, which did feature vigilantes.

Even Batman is not a Vigilante.

>>70719809
>you're still a vigilante and not doing anything illegal.
And what about breaking into properties and beating up the gatherings of people inside? If they are wanted criminals that's OK, then?

>>70719848
That's the line that goes from citizens arrest to vigilante.

I think you misread my post, I'm saying Citizens arrests are legal, vigilantism is not.

>>70719830
Isn't a vigilante a person who exacts their own justice without having any legal authority to do so?

>>70719809
I don't like grouping both together, despite one being a continuation of the other, like self-defense and excessive use of force.
The thing with comic villains is that they're easily identified. Unless joker decides to wear proper makeup and commit crime in a crown convention, you will easily identify him after he shoots someone. In real life it's not so. I've mentioned it before but I recall seeing a local news about how a bunch of people stopped a pickpocket and then lynched him "to subdue" then finding later he was just a passerby. Criminals doesn't wear tshirts with a "thief here" written across, and misidentification is a real possibility.
Just to make it clear, I don't have anything against citizen's arrest like those videos of a thief coming with guns into a store then some brave person grappling them until the police arrives (though if I'm nitpicking I think it can be dangerous to everyone around). The criminal is there with a clear gun on his hand and using it to threaten people, then the force used was only the necessarily, nothing wrong in my eyes.

>>70716232
Have you seriously never seen anything related to superheroes in the last 2 decades? Just watch the marvel Civil War movie if you want your dose of hypocritical bureaucracy.

>>70719830
I agree, see what I said here: >>70719536

>>70719896
Yes, but supers doesn't deliver punishment, they only stop criminals before handing them to the authorities.

>>70719947
Of course, there's some exceptions, like the

...Punisher.

>>70719438
*tips fedora*

The thing is, the prohibition against vigilantism is one of those laws that only get enforced if you’re causing trouble. It’s like walking your dog without a leash, if the dog is nice no one will care, but if the dog is growling or causing a ruckus you’ll get in trouble for it.

>>70720039
You'd be surprised. I actually love religion as I find it fascinating and I'm always reading more about it. My point comes exactly from that. More often than not divinities were not defined by their goodness like YHVH in Abrahamic religions.
I won't write a hobbyst thesis here, but check Greek pantheon, the Aztec gods, Shinto Kamis and so on. Even what I see as the first iteration of Abrahamic monotheism, Zoroastrianism, had an evil god as counterpart of the good one.

>>70720034
Punisher is neither super or a hero. Even in his books he's depicted as a villain who knows what he does is hypocritical, he's just past the point of caring.

>>70719947
There's an entire civil war story arc caused by the government wanting to register supers and them getting all bitchy that they can't go around beating up people without government supervision.

>>70719903
You can kill people who clearly escaped justice though. Nobody would cry if someone stabbed Casey Anthony to death in her home.

>>70716274
Needing lies to function is just a way to be a self-satisfied and pathetic little bitch.

>>70716232
There have been various stories dealing with the superheroes in court.

Fuck in Marvel Hercules had to pay a huge settlement to a super-villan because the villian sued him for unnecessary violence.

You don't see it because people want to read about actual adventures not real life.

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>>70720309
Oh please. Once a court case has garnered enough of a media circus, any "not guilty"-verdict is going to be seen as "escaping justice". You might as well implement the Cardassian legal system.

>>70719479
Could be reading too much into it, but it could also be a show of "I'm not going to leave your side"

>>70719499
They did back in the thirties.

>>70716737
>Being a good person isn’t hard.
then why aren't you one?

>>70720477
>There have been various stories dealing with the superheroes in court.
Not to mention that She-Hulk and Daredevil are lawyers, She-Hulk in public too.

>>70719346
Your choice was definitely right, anon. Good on you. Superman believes in you, and I do too.

>>70716593
>Its about being a decent person, anon. You dont have to be able to punch planets to be someone's Superman.
Beautifully put. It's sad that 20% of the people in this thread have serious problems comprehending "try to be a decent person", but I'm enjoying how thoughtfully the other 80% are explaining it to them.

>>70717305
It's as if Superman's basic decency in-universe rubs off on us out here.

>>70721524
Cringe, untrue, and unworthy of a Superman thread.

>>70719764
>However, if this guy were not just a normal citizen but a politician or businessman with a lot of clout, enough to obfuscate the lawful investigations and escape justice, then I could see the act of vigilantist to kill this person as justifiable. However this kind of scenario is very rare, when you see something similar it's a journalist that can gather the information but not do anything about it but publishing it and hoping for the best, or a crazy guy with a dagger stabbing the politician he hate with little to no proof of any wrongdoings.
Actually we're seeing this right now. There's a prominent politician (I won't say who or the incels will start howling) who's very very obviously guilty of disastrous and disgraceful corruption in office, but might have just enough pull to sleaze out of it. If he does, it'll be great for journalists to reveal the whole truth, but it would be a DISASTER for anyone to 'go vigilante' on him. We need to invest in making the system better and fairer, not cheating the system.

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>>70716618
>blocks your path

>>70719760
Not at all retard. Man is born with Original again yes, but that’s why Jesus’ immaculate conception was important. It allowed him to be born without original sin. Then, he lived his entire without sin so that he could be sacrificed to allow man to find salvation through him. It was basically a great cosmic gambit

>>70725685
Did Jesus ever fart? Did he pee? Did ever he get an erection? Nocturnal emissions? If yes, he sinned a little. If no, he wasn't reallly a man.

Also, when he said "Forgive them for they know not what they do", that's both passive aggressiveness and public virtue signalling, so double sin right there.

>>70727608
Farting isn't a sin.

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>>70716467

>>70727608
Can you point in the Bible where that’s an issue? & no I’m not talking about weird interpretations of the Bible

>>70724011
wasn't there a comic where superman lost his invulnerability but still stepped in front of a gun or something? i feel like that encapsulates who he is

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>>70717554
Batman would definitely talk things out with a suicidal person. He's empathetic, in his aloof way, to others in emotional turmoil. Of course, the whole time they'd be tethered to the wall without noticing it, just in case the talk didn't work.

>>70716235

People miss that beneath it all, Clark Kent is a kind-hearted young man who grew up in literal Smallville, Kansas.

>>70716203

To answer directly, it's both. You can always be nice about being honest. You can always dig deep enough to be honest when you're being nice.

It's the Lawful Good copypasta: A good person does not have to be held by every aspect of his morals at any one time.

>>70730321
Nice way to summarise what I >>70719291 was trying to get at. I'll use that pasta in future.

>>70719548

Actually, in most cases he is. What he has is a "Positive Defense" for a crime.

Positive defenses are "Guilty for good reason." and therefore are unpunished generally. Examples include self defense, trespassing or theft in the course of lifesaving and so on.

Usually you never see these defenses pleaded however because anything less serious than murder in self defense never gets to trial: They're usually so cut and dry they don't even bother arresting them.

>>70720615

I think it's also an unsubtle "Fuck off I'm working here"

He certainly didn't call in the spotlights.

>>70730812
Not only are you splitting hairs, but you're trying to use a flamethrower to do it. If your affirmative defense is accepted by the jury, it means you are not guilty of a crime, because the whole FUCKING POINT of affirmative defenses is that the performance of the otherwise-criminal act is necessary to prevent someone from dying or being irrevocably harmed; the act thus being necessary, it is thus NOT A CRIME.

You argue law like your education was "watched three episodes of Law & Order at a bar with the sound turned off".

>>70730239
The justice league cartoon version of batman is much nicer than most other interpretations of him

>>70720282
I'd almost argue the super part. Didn't he toss a dude through bulletproof glass? His pain tolerance is also incredible. Not immune to it, but he sure isn't hindered by it.

>>70731094
Yeah, I mean he got his parents murdered in front of him, spent years training as an assassin and regularly faces off with the most psychotic assholes in the world. I'd be jaded af too.

>>70716562
Looks a bit like Elvis in that last panel.

>>70731156
In the Warzone interpretation I believe he made a deal with the devil at one point.

>>70731091

Yes: Not guilty by reason of an affirmative defense.

Which means you did actually perform the crime that you were accused of and are later cleared of it.

You also don't plead "not guilty"; You plead your affirmative defense. It's the court that decides to accept it and grant you a reduced or eliminated sentence.

You argue law like a law student. That's not a complement.

>>70717717
Ave Nex Alea

>>70717554
You are aware that there are dozens of superheros just in that city that can take care of whatever is too much for the police, right? The only time he's really needed is if one of the major villains like Brainiac or Darkseid decide to show up.

>>70716203
both. if you focus on honesty in all things, that can potentially lead to conflict where conflict is unnecessary. white lies or simple bendings of the truth may chafe against your attitude, but can be in some occasions better than the naked truth. Same with being nice. turning the other cheek is good and all, but if it leads to the other person going down a self destructive path or feeds into false confidence, or anything like that, then you're in a worse place then when you started

>>70716593
There's also a number of people out there who are as strong as Superman- Zod for instance. But while they beat down Superman, Superman keeps going, not in a Rocky styled 'can take a hit' kind of way, but in a 'I can't afford to let it end here' kind of way- there's plenty of people in the superhero universe as strong as superman- but there's only one superman.

>>70718408
Fuck off commie dog

>>70716232
>how to spot a bootlicker 101

>>70718728
It’s catharsis. I cried too anon. I wish someone could help me sometimes

>>70717281
That's taking the point too literally. Yes, anyone CAN be perfect, but if you understand Jesus less as a real life person and more of a narrative device the purpose isn't to say "to be perfect you have to never fail just like jesus doesn't fail" it's to say "Being good is like playing tennis. Being a perfect tennis player means that when you play you never fail to return a ball and you never hit out of bounds. It doesn't mean that never in your life have you ever missed a ball or hit out of bounds." being good is a "going forward" thing. You CAN always be perfect going forward and that never requires you to have been perfect in the past. The theological argument for jesus's perfection is that he was like some Mario Tennis playing TAS-bot straight from the cradle.

>>70731861
The problem is that most religious people never read the bible, they just take whatever their pastor says as gospel. And a lot of pastor's are more concerned with pushing something unchristian, thanks to how politics and religion often overlap. That's how you get the Wealth Gospel, where a religion about a dude that was a carpenter, road on a donkey, hung out with lepers and whores, and told everyone to give all their money to charity, is actually about giving all your money to televangelists so that god can make you rich.

>>70716203
Nice. No one gives a shit about honesty. If you want to be a popular good guy, always say what makes people happy. In one superhero campaign I played in, another PC was a supremely unpleasant character, but he was well-loved. Why? Because he was an incredibly nice dude and went out of his way to have a wholesome personal image.

Yes, he was secretly a racist and misogynist, but he kept those opinions to himself. He had disgusting personal habits, but when he put the costume on he was 100% Superman. When he died stopping an orbital weapons platform from falling on Jerusalem, his last words to himself were "I can't believe I'm going to die protecting kikes and sand niggers", but he saved the day anyway.

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>>70731985
>his last words to himself were "I can't believe I'm going to die protecting kikes and sand niggers"

>>70731985
How did such an obvious asshole keep up the facade? Like, wouldn't he slip up?

>>70732034
Why would he? He knew too much rested on it. More, he didn't have a crack addiction or orgies. He enjoyed smoking, drinking and online pornography, but those can all be done in private. Sleeping with hot women was probably a point in his favor.

As for the racism, do you think anyone's going to care if a black supervillain gets flung through a building midfight? Or if an Islamic terrorist gets his entire torso disintegrated when he's got a suicide vest?

>>70730239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOooJW5SSDA

>>70718372
>going around randomly killing "The Big Bad Cartel" can in fact pose serious conflicts of interests for a lot of fucking people (and not just corrupt politicians/drug kingpins before you strawman me)

I'd actually like to hear more on this. Is the "cartel" situation actually more complex than "bad men bad"?

>>70716232
It's a power fantasy dumbass

>>70718188
And if all heterosexual is rape then did that mean her husband raped her on a constant basis?

>>70719139
Garth Ennis is incredible at writing down-to-earth stories about espionage and the effect that war can have on people. Punisher and Frank Castle MAX are some of the darkest but best written comics in the damn world, but the minute ANYTHING even approaching the supernatural gets involved, he goes full retard.

>>70731156
Pain tolerance is definitely a big one, but that comes more from being an action comic protagonist than a superpower. As for the bulletproof glass, it wasn't easy to do it, he had to throw her into it like three dozen times for it to work, and the entire pane of glass ripped out of the frame before the glass shattered.

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>>70717352
Must be J. Geil's lefthanded cousin.

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>>70717717

That’s assuming governments are infallibly good, moral faggots

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>>70731985
All that edgelord signalling is cringey enough in ordinary shitposting. In a Superman thread it’s extra sad.

>>70716203
Truth without love is brutality.
Love without truth is untransformative.

>>70717717
>It's also illegal to beat up suspected criminals
I see someone doesn't live in Michigan

>>70716232
Cops never get in trouble for abusing their power, what kind of fucking idiot are you?

>>70717102
Not him, but, at least he didn’t call you guys assholes.

>>70727637
You'd like to believe that, wouldn't you, you fucking Papist

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>>70718454
Dredd is a complicated man, he is an asshole for sure but he has an heart of gold.

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>>70716232
There’s Savage Dragon, the most reliably put out non-Big Two comic out there.

He’s a cop. He’s basically evil Superman, sent to Earth to conquer it but lost his memory on landing and joined the cops as a superhero management officer instead.

He’s had villains join the force and abuse heroes in captivity, see his friends framed, and deal with the fact his biological son is technically a murderer from the start of life by being born xenomorph-style from his sperm being stolen from a sperm bank. Plus the fucking Ninja Turtles and Spawn show up and fuck up his day sometimes.

>>70739165
>sent to Earth to conquer it but lost his memory on landing
That reminds more of another guy, but he was half Superman-inspired, too.

>>70735161
Edgy teens are basically the trash mobs of the internet

They can get on your nerves if you don't know what you're doing (i.e. you imagine an actual grown adult seriously believing and acting on the opinions they post), but once you know what's really going on (i.e. some harmless pasty tween with an incomplete worldview who feels a bit grumpy today) they're a lot easier to deal with