>>73881020
Using DOM Multani's wording could help you save some space on the Evolvore, but it would not longer be a Lhurgoys, dammit.
Anyway, if cards are in graveyard, they're no longer "Xs", but "X cards". See Terravore.
Mawcor makes me angry, but it IS a nice call-back.
>>73880645
Do all colours in your set care about gold cards equally, or are some colours more gold-friendly than other?

>>73881471
All colors care about them equally

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>>73881471
Thank you, and yes, the level up design leaves so little space for abilities, unfortunately.

>>73881668
OG levelers were designed in such way that almost all of them have p/t that increases linearly. The cat is good.
2/1 +1/+1
3/2 +1/+1
4/3
But the Kobold is not.
01 +1/+2
1/3 +3/+1
4/4

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>>73881668
Can I ask where you found that leveler template? I have an old version someone made before they made official post-M15 levelers, and the arrows are yuge.

Also looking for leads on the new nyxborn frame, which has the starfield effect on the entire background, not just the top half.

>>73882591
I downloaded the cajun 2020 mainframe and styles, unfortunately I don't have the link but look for cajun's thread in the mse forum. I didn't download anything extra and I have the nyx frame, so that should be included too.

>>73881668
I really like the design, but that Cat is a Rare. 1 Mana 2/1 // 2 Mana 3/2 // 4 Mana 4/3 w/ big upside. The card is super versatile, definetly a Rare with these costs.

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>>73882843
I fucked up, those 3 cards were supposed to be rare, but thanks!
Is this mechanic salvageable?

>>73883162
>Discard a creature card with power X and pay its mana cost: Put X +1/+1 counters on this creature.

>>73883252
This

>>73883162
I think a design like this makes more sense as a one-off design in a set and not as a keyworded mechanic. It's a pretty narrow ability that needs lots of synergies to make sense. It is basically Devour but reversed and less versatile. I do like Devour so its maybe salvageable.

>>73883162
Putting +1/+1 counters and Level Up in the same set could be annoying

>>73883533
I like the ideas posted but maybe this is true, the mechanics I have so far are Mutate and Level up so I feel like I need something else that feel "battlecruise-ish" but maybe not counters.

>>73883162
If you want sacirifce synergy, just go with Exploit. This ability is awful as keyword.

>>73881020
>>73881668

Cool designs, but I think the Cat and Kobold are too good. Kobold as a 1/3 1 drop that makes unlimited blockers and feeds etb/token abilities is pretty nuts, even discounting the ability to turn him into a lord. The lion compares pretty favorably to Student of Warfare and similar cards.

Mawcor on the other hand could probably be more powerful. Pinging for 1/2 isn't particularly exciting on a 4/5 power flier.

>>73883162
This is kind of weak on anything that doesn't have hexproof, indestructible or some other voltron enabling ability. Combos with Phyrexian Dreadnought though. >>73883252 is a better wording, and enables it at instant speed, which helps an otherwise weak mechanic.

>>73883759
Mutate and level up are weird together too.

>>73886378
Actually thinking about it, the Mawcor is better than a 5/4 flier for 4 with echo, which is pretty good really.

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An attempt at an authentically Red/Blue graveyard matters mechanic, with the bonus of hitting on Sorceries matter. Probably too good, and any big spells would have to be highly situational. I like the concept, but not sure if it can be balanced.

Shock of Summoning + turn 1 discard outlet is probably too comborific, but it is for a format without anything so gamebreaking as Eldrazi. Surge of Destruction may have the same problem, but would be more reliant on a run of metamagic cards.

>>73886509
Not 100% sure about the wording either. Intention is that you can't get the same spell twice, not if two are in your graveyard, not if one is and you're casting another.

>>73880485
You fucked up the OP, so I only found the thread by accident.

Thanks for making one, though.

>>73886509
I like the idea, but the repetition is gonna lead to some very degenerate gameplay. I'd probably make it something like

>When you cast this, you may exile a Metamagic card from your graveyard. If you do, add that card's effects to this spell.

>>73887140
I considered that exact idea, but it feels a bit much like flashback. My W/G/B mechanic is cards giving value from the graveyard every upkeep, so having these stick about to provide value would be ideal.

I also considered making it target one metamagic spell in the graveyard rather than all of them, but that doesn't really fix the more degenerate situation, and the idea of building these small spells together into a super spell is the cool part.

I could tone down the effects, and they're already overcosted for the face effect, but if the sum total is too weak there'd just be no reason to run these over other RU spells.

My comparison is Accumulated Knowledge, where the first copy is bad, the second is decent but you haven't gotten real value for both casts, the third is good and means you have gotten value, and the fourth is nuts. Obviously though, one can run much more of these...

>>73887592
Sounds kinda tedious to keep track of tbhon.
Maybe try Retrace for UR?

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How's this mechanic? I'm trying to make auras a bit more useful.

>>73889101
this would be off the battlefield by the time it triggers and resolves, but with wording tweaks it would work.

IMO its kinda just bestow though

>>73892600
Leave the battlefield triggers can find Auras that have fallen off.

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I'm back from my ban with a rant about five-color magic being patently INFERIOR to ten+ color magic.

For one, you're all small-brained children if you can't handle more complexity.

Two: references, jokes.This planet doesn't GET ANY MTG JOKES without them. You LITERALLY don't have the colors to! ie:
-ROGAL DORN IS YELLOW.
-ROBUTE GULLIMAN IS BLUE.
-PERTURABO IS BROWN
There are differences between the "new" colors INHERENTLY OBSERVABLE by studying these three famous Warhammer 40k primarchs.

>>73895354
>ban
pfffft, hahaha

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Does this ancient history set a precedence for custom Warhammer 40k MTG cards...?

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I'm thinking the brown mana symbol should be a spade, point-down, to resemble a heart.

Pink one should be a "classic" "cartoon" heart, but

>>73895684
Fuck off schizo.

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>>73895949
A buzzword which holds no meaning. Read the fucking cards.

I'm not even the person who came up with these theories, I just noticed a lot more:

http://magicseteditor.sourceforge.net/node/9770

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>>73896087
I don't have an edit button so I'm going to add to this post of mine now that I've read their views on Brown more, I disagree with them.

"Harmony is holy. Selfishness is sin."
is incorrect, Brown in practice is more:
"Harmony is holy. Selfishness is holy."

Without it you miss the Sternerist Egosim inherent in Brown.

Also MTG color-theory is INHERENTLY SCHIZOPHRENIA! WELCOME TO THE CARD-GAME FOR SCHIZOS!

>>73896087
>A buzzword which holds no meaning.
Neither does assigning vague concepts like "friendliness" or "creativity" to a specific color, then working backwards to try to use those to justify anything about any character.

The only thing you've said correct is that an artist made a 40k reference in the art.

This isn't the thread for your retarded schizoposting and fan theories. This is for making custom Magic cards.

>>73895684
>she has a tendency to summon zombies from a rift
the flavor of her tutoring isnt summoning zombies and shit from rifts, its making deals with the devil (demons) and shit.
>her obvious purple glows, tattoos, and clothing.
"she wears purple/the effects look purple" as justification is retarded and makes everything else looks retarded by association

I dont think this second color pie shit is any good at all desu but I'm willing to indulge
What are the basic lands? does yellow just live on bar graphs?
are there any elemental associations?
is this an alternate pie to be used instead of the WUBRG one, or are these colors 6-10?
what makes each color allies? enemies?
related: what are dual colors like?

>Pink one should be a "classic" "cartoon" heart
no. the peace symbol is also shit. they can't really be stylized at all, they can each kinda just be skinnier and fatter, there'd be no difference between "pink mana symbol" and wingdings heart. figuring out answers for some above questions would probably help with figuring out symbolic representations

>>73896087
>FluffyDeathbringer
It doesn't surprise me that faggot came up with this retarded shit...

And even so from reading the post, its a rebranding of the color pie, not an addition to it. And it sure as hell has nothing to do with the 40k schizoposting you're doing.

>>73896162
anon from >>73855129 here, you understand I meant ideologically right...?

>UR
creativity, invention
>GW
Love thy neighbor
>B
Greed, understanding the harsh truths.
I would really love an explanation for how
>Sacrifices for One's Self
and
>Selfishness at the Expense of Others
are meaningfully different
They both literally have just the word "Selfish" in the inner ring.
>W/UW
for the greater good of society, advancement of civilization.
also "Dogmatic" could apply to any belief, describes jack shit.

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>>73896213
To explain the basic lands first I have to explain the flavor of how mana is supposed to work in MTG, it comes from the memory of a land. Every card is a psychological construct and each "basic land" is just that, your memory of being washed with the energy of a place.

This was necessary because as we begin to explain the basic lands of YOPIN, we begin to enter more mercurial experiences and how they generate memory. As all YOPIN lands are more temporal than RUGBW lands.

First we have the Basic Land - Rift, a hole in space-time, a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. anomaly, the worm-hole from DS9, the Nightmare of Mensis from Bloodborne. Few beings could "live" in such things, and when you play the basic land you are calling on your memory of being washed by the rift and it's energies. "The Room" from S.T.A..L.K.E.R./Roadside Picnic is an example of a non-basic "rift".

Next we have browN, the Basic Land - Trench, trenches are often ephemeral and seen during times of construction or war. Pipes and cables are laid in the trench and so are belts of machine-gun fire. This is the most "livable" of these lands as the concept of the "trench" expands to the "canyon" or "gorge", Cosmo Canyon from FF7 is an example of a non-basic "trench".

Next we have pink, another "livable" ephemeral construct, the "cottage" "hovel" or "domicile" most fans use Basic Land - Cottage but we could come up with a better one, we ARE all /tg/ here after all, "Hamlet" springs to mind being here. It represents a small structure or group of structures in which many people live, ie a family, extended family or refugee community. An example of a nonbasic "Hamlet" I guess would be any famous RPG starting village... except maybe Tristram from Diablo...

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That alternate colour pie is awful visually. Instead of five different hues you have a magenta blob (pink+purple) and earthy blob (brown+orange+yellow).
You should have gone with Yellow, Brown, Purple, Turquoise, Emerald

>>73896423

The most iconic "this was just an experience" land next to purple is in Yellow I feel. The Basic Land - Storm. The hardest for MTG players to wrap their head around until they've been caught outside in one. Just felt the God-Emperor pissing on them form the heavens. An example of a non-basic "Storm" would be some cataclysmic event that's still not really a "rift" per sé.

Lastly we have Orange, the Basic Land - Dune. Yeah people can live on them, yeah they're ephemeral and keep blowing away. But they are a unique experience that's nothing like a Plains (barring recent ones since Tarkir, and some very old ones). "Shit don't grow here." the mana-color.

In closing, yeah they're "not as permanent" as some lands, but many lands aren't really either. Valakut is a fucking volcano, and every earthling understands the ephemeral nature of a magma system in mundane planes that operate on plate tectonics.
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>>73896474
>Valakut is a fucking volcano
It's also not a basic land.

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>>73896466
I didn't make it, I found it on the internet. Also; that's not how magic colors work irl; so why would we as a species print wrong-magic on a card game that's supposed to be semi-realistic? What the fuck is Turqouise? What the fuck is Emerald? These cards are meant to be interactable with the OLD 5-color wheel, you realize? More formats? That's EVEN LESS PLAYABLE. HAVEN'T YOU SEEN YU-GI-OH CARDS!?

*sigh*

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>>73896586
You are just... really dense aren't you...? To pick that one point out of the whole explanation about how lands work as mental constructs on cards...

Read a fucking book. One of the old ones, with Jodah, from Ice Age.

>>73896587
>I didn't make it, I found it on the internet.
Right, I've seen that alternate pie chart before. That "you" was more of a general "you", not -you-.

>>73896587
And if they're meant to be played as additional colours, that's even more of a reason to cut Orange.
Turquoise is bright colour between blue and green.

>>73896587
Yugioh can add on as many new card types as it wants because the monsters themselves are a resource system, and its archetypes are based on specific cards anyway.
Let's look at Synchro Summoning. It needs a tuner and one or more non-tuners. Those non-tunors can be anything, even something as old as Beaver Warrior, and the tunors are the only cards in the main deck you need to explicitly add, since your payoff doesn't sit in the main deck either.

Compare that to additional colors in Magic. Each one requires a mana of that color to produce, which means you need to run both that extra land card AND that card itself in the deck, and that land will otherwise dilute your mana fixing for whatever other colors you're running. It adds more baggage for no real payoff unless the cards are so busted that they dominate standard or any other format.

>>73896621
You don't get that nonbasic lands are an exception, not the rule.
But to elaborate on that whole "transient" bullshit, what exactly is the land for a storm-island and how is it different than a storm-swamp? What the hell is a rift-trench or a trench-mountain?

You keep spamming these condescending handwaves like "go read a book" and "you just don't understand it," but the issue is that adding the fan-alt pie to the existing one leads to way too many issues in mechanics and flavor, and you put so little thought into it that you don't know what you're doing either.

>>73896761
Ohhh.... I feel bad for being loud now... Sumimassen. >_<

It could go either way then, but Turquoise would be some kind of black-blue-green? What is Turqouise emotionally? What basic land do they have? How woudl that effect the kinds of spells people who use that energy would develop?

And what's Emerald? Hyper-green? How's that work? What's an Emerald emotion?

I'm an idiot at these things, the only reason even I can understand YOPIN is that other people have fleshed it out enough for it to actually sort of start to make sense here... :(

>>73897341
>Compare that to additional colors in Magic. Each one requires a mana of that color to produce, which means you need to run both that extra land card AND that card itself in the deck, and that land will otherwise dilute your mana fixing for whatever other colors you're running. It adds more baggage for no real payoff unless the cards are so busted that they dominate standard or any other format.
Off-color reprints are a way around that. "Do I want four of the blue counterspell, or the purple one? Or shit, I could drop purple for brown and use the brown Mental Mis-step...? Hmmmm..."
"Restrictions breed creativity."

>You don't get that nonbasic lands are an exception, not the rule.
How? I was elaborating non-basic lands and basic lands in most color sections, ie: "Cosmo Canyon", "The Room", etc.

>But to elaborate on that whole "transient" bullshit, what exactly is the land for a storm-island and how is it different than a storm-swamp? What the hell is a rift-trench or a trench-mountain?
A storm-island would be some magic floating island suspended in a storm in a gas giant. a storm-swamp would be a swamp that has a perpetual storm hanging overhead. A "rift-trench" you might need to research "Spec-Ops: The Line" for that, a /tg/ classic I can't play yet because of PTSD OR DEATH STRANDING'S WW2 SECTION! JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD! IZZET YELLING! Trench-mountain? Even you can figure that.

>>73897341
>You keep spamming these condescending handwaves like "go read a book" and "you just don't understand it," but the issue is that adding the fan-alt pie to the existing one leads to way too many issues in mechanics and flavor, and you put so little thought into it that you don't know what you're doing either.
The problem is you really do need to catch up on some intrinsic lore to understand the mechanics behind basic land types and the entirety of MTG in general by extension. And by "issues" you mean "restrictions" and therefore "creativity" in game and card design. These new colors have their limitations intrinsic to them. "Make all brown reprints cost one more, because it's the shitty color." was an idea I heard when I was a child. And it works. 1NN Counter-spell. "That's bullshit!" "IT IS! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!"

>>73897667
>Do I want four of the blue counterspell, or the purple one?
Why would anybody in this scenario pick the purple one over blue? What reason would they have to dilute their deck besides some snowflake color that's "[X]'s color effect but cheaper/more powerful?" Why even make two additional colors just to step on Blue's toes?

>Restrictions breed creativity
Right, that's why we need ten colors instead of five...

>How?
Do I really need to elaborate that basic lands (and by extension cards that use their types) are meant to be generic so that they can have stand-ins on any plane, and nonbasic lands can be specific and weird shit because they don't have that restriction if they're explicitly tied to a setting?

>and basic lands in most color sections, ie: "Cosmo Canyon", "The Room", etc.
No, you didn't.

>A storm-island would be some magic floating island suspended in a storm
We've had islands that fit that description perfectly. That's not enough to warrant a new color.

>A "rift-trench" you might need to research "Spec-Ops: The Line" for that,
>>To understand how this reusable combination makes sense, please refer to a specific setting.
So elaborating on the color pie to make it more expansive requires a specific setting to be shoehorned in. 10/10 logic.

>a /tg/ classic
Fuck off with your kowtowing.

>Trench-mountain? Even you can figure that.
No, I can't, because "mountain canyon" is effectively the same as "mountain range" for how it's viewed.

>>73897719
Give the doubleposting a rest, faggot.

>And by "issues" you mean "restrictions"
Holy shit dude, you have zero idea what you are talking about.

"Restriction breeds creativity" doesn't mean "throw around random shit and handwave what doesn't make sense." It means that being faced with limited options forces someone to use what they have in new ways.

You're doing the exact opposite by trying to split the color pie into ten.

>"Make all brown reprints cost one more, because it's the shitty color." was an idea I heard when I was a child. And it works. 1NN Counter-spell. "That's bullshit!" "IT IS! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!"
So there's absolutely no point to it then you ESL 15 year old. Cool idea, man. It's totally worth sliding the previous thread for and spamming this one.

All sarcasm aside, though, shut the fuck up you colossal faggot.

>>73897667
Turquoise could be whatever, it's all made up after all.
The point is that white, black, blue, red and green are distinct colours and are easy to tell apart.
Yellow, orange and brown are not.

>>73897984
>Do I want four of the blue counterspell, or the purple one?
>Why would anybody in this scenario pick the purple one over blue?
They want to run purple spells instead of blue ones using their purple mana base to access things blue can't do. Because it's a different color.

>What reason would they have to dilute their deck besides some snowflake color that's "[X]'s color effect but cheaper/more powerful?" Why even make two additional colors just to step on Blue's toes?
Because Blue basically hasn't been special since Lorwynn had U/G hybrid cards...

>Restrictions breed creativity
>Right, that's why we need ten colors instead of five...
Yes. Each color has it's own restrictions. 5xrestrictions vs 10x restrictions. Do the math.

>and basic lands in most color sections, ie: "Cosmo Canyon", "The Room", etc.
>No, you didn't.
Stop clearly cherry-picking things I say, not everyone else on 4chan is as narrow-minded and gaslit as you. I said in the post you quoted:
>How? I was elaborating non-basic lands and basic lands in most color sections, ie: "Cosmo Canyon", "The Room", etc.
"Read the fucking card." I have nothing else to say to you. Wait, one more, because you're retarded and I have to hold your hand and carry you through the simplest of fucking concepts:
>Trench-mountain? Even you can figure that.
>No, I can't, because "mountain canyon" is effectively the same as "mountain range" for how it's viewed.
YOU DIG TRENCH THROUGH MOUNTAIN.

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>>73898311
>Give the doubleposting a rest, faggot.
I'm sorry I have more words per post than a Yotsuba image-board allows your tiny ADHD-riddled brains.
>"Make all brown reprints cost one more, because it's the shitty color." was an idea I heard when I was a child. And it works. 1NN Counter-spell. "That's bullshit!" "IT IS! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!"
>So there's absolutely no point to it then you ESL 15 year old. Cool idea, man. It's totally worth sliding the previous thread for and spamming this one.
Except it's a different color with different resrictions, ie: few reprints from other colors that cost more, and it's own unique cards and flavor on top of that.
Go suck a dick, tradition-simp for a children's card game you know so little of.

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>>73895684
Purely from a looks point of view pink & purple are very similar same as yellow & orange. Consider changing the colors around to make it easier to differentiate if you're going through with this

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>>73895354
I would argue that while magic is based on the five colours it is in fact has as many colours as their are colour combinations. Each colour is altered and infulenced by what it is paired with and from that you can get more than 10 colours.

Its certainly an interesting idea but I feel likes it doesn't have enough substance. The five colours encapsulate a lot of the base emotions and ideals and don't leave much room for expansion in this vein.

>>73898650
>using their purple mana base to access things blue can't do
Yeah, like cast Cancel. Oh, wait...
Again, all sarcasm aside, that's a terrible argument on your part. If you want to do something outside of a color, then that means tossing in another color.

>Because Blue basically hasn't been special since
Did you just wake up from a time capsule? U/G is raping the game right now.

>5xrestrictions vs 10x restrictions. Do the math.
That's twice as many options, mate. You're fucking stupid.

>Stop clearly cherry-picking things I say,
Cherry-picking suggests I'm changing the context of what you're saying. I'm not. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

> I have nothing else to say to you.
That would imply that you started.
Still not seeing that "elaboration."

>YOU DIG TRENCH THROUGH MOUNTAIN.
Mate, saying that's extraordinarily different than a normal mountain range is fucking stupid. It's not a fundamental force of the plane itself sculpting a landscape, it's someone using a shovel.

>>73898675
>I'm sorry I have more words per post than a Yotsuba image-board allows
I too am sorry your posts are filled with bullshit.

>Except it's a different color with different resrictions,
"It gets Cancel" is not a restriction you turbofaggot.

>>73896423
>>73896474
frankly, rift and storm are both nothing garbage
if you have to describe something as "that one thing from that one game" then it doesn't work as a basic land.
and as you expected me to say, because you know it in your heart, weather events in mtg aren't really lands, Valakut is a land because a volcano is a place, it doesn't go away after it finishes erupting.

>>73896587
>>73896621
>>73897667
>>73898675

You need to be 18 to post on 4chan

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>>73898877
I have a special disillusionment for dumb virtually-useless technicality gimmick cards like this

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>>73899065
Ok. I find them fun to mess around with.

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>>73898770
Again, I didn't make it, but I do have GIMP, and I'm under some kind of geas. Like this?

Unless.... Yeah sure I made this. Probably me from the future did.

>>73898956
CAN YOU READ? I'M BACK, BECAUSE YOU'RE A DOLT.

>Yeah, like cast Cancel. Oh, wait...
Again, all sarcasm aside, that's a terrible argument on your part. If you want to do something outside of a color, then that means tossing in another color.
Except if it's named "Counterspell" it's not "Cancel" I'll elaborate below on another of your points.
>Because Blue basically hasn't been special since
>Did you just wake up from a time capsule? U/G is raping the game right now.
Are you a basic-bot or something? How is that indicative of them being different if they have such overwhelming synergy? They're Cyan in this form, give it a color and make Green and Blue distinct again. But that's 11-color magic, you guys are having a hard enough time wrapping your head around 10.

>5xrestrictions vs 10x restrictions. Do the math.
>That's twice as many options, mate. You're fucking stupid.
Go back and read it again you gas-lit idiot.

>Stop clearly cherry-picking things I say,
Cherry-picking suggests I'm changing the context of what you're saying.
>I'm not. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
You absolutely fucking are and that's why I'm quoting everything you quote in my posts to give other people context.

>That would imply that you started.
Still not seeing that "elaboration."
Behold the idiot eye, scorned, confused. It recoils. "Y-y-you are the retard! S-s-simp!"

>Mate, saying that's extraordinarily different than a normal mountain range is fucking stupid. It's not a fundamental force of the plane itself sculpting a landscape, it's someone using a shovel.
You'd think that, until you actually graduated highschool and got a job digging holes. I tried to make the concept simple for your Grug-brain, but digging a trench through a mountain requires things like "shoring" or a system of reinforcement...

You are especially retarded and I have a schoolteacher's heart.
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>>73898956
>Except it's a different color with different resrictions,
>"It gets Cancel" is not a restriction you turbofaggot.
Except it's called "Counterspell" still and you can only have four cards named "Counterspell" in your deck... so is it Cancel? No, it's not. It's "Counterspell" with different restrictions, since you need 1NN to cast it and thusly must build your deck AROUND SAID RESTRICTION!

>>73899021
That's hilarious considering the depth of your counter-arguments.

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http://art-blue-liberalism.blogspot.com/2012/06/new-mtgs-colour-wheel-yellow-orange.html

And again for context I got all of this from this article, and Mage: the Awakening. And if you knew anything about the early 90's you heed my words summer child, warp-storms aren't a fucking joke.

>>73899637
>blog
that guy's yellow is mtg's black and orange is mtg's green

>>73899983
Sort of? But also not. There are inherent differences between "burn" and "removal". I'm assensing yellow has more weenies in the white sense than the black one, with cheap flyers and birds. No deathtouch. Blue-like untap effects. Temporary acceleration like red, which is a lot like black I guess, yeah, but looking at the whole picture you can see it's more like "izzet" than "black" really..

>>73899416
>Except if it's named "Counterspell" it's not "Cancel"
...What the fuck are you even trying to say? That Counterspell and Cancel are mechanically distinct?

>How is that indicative of them being different if they have such overwhelming synergy?
Same way that pizza works.
The colors being distinct let them incorporate mechanics that cover each other's weaknesses.
Suppose they did print these weird intermediate colors that you're starting to revise the fan-alt pie into. Nobody would play them because they fan just run a second color in addition to the one they want to build. The limited color pool allows for the mechanics to have more versatility.

>Go back and read it again
I did. It wasn't there.

>gas-lit
Holy shit dude, you have no idea what this means, do you?

>You absolutely fucking are
I am not. I'm cutting down on the amount of text quoted for character count, but I'm not redefining them.
You're reading your arguments back as retarded nonsense because they're retarded nonsense.

>Behold the idiot eye, scorned, confused.
Eyes can't see what isn't there.

>but digging a trench through a mountain requires things like "shoring" or a system of reinforcement
...But not a natural force.

>>73899458
Mate, Cancel is 1UU you incoherent faggot. Nobody tosses U into their deck because Cancel is a 3 CMC spell and Counterspell is a 2 CMC spell. Seek actual professional help because you're incoherently babbling.

>>73899416
>digging a trench through a mountain requires things like "shoring" or a system of reinforcement...
Expert ditch-digger gives his hot take

>>73899637
Dude, that article is from a retarded leftist who thinks 4chan threads and MSE forums are official, and is too stupid to understand the current color wheel so he wants to shoehorn it as something he wants to work with for a set he didn't even bother making.

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>>73900096
>...What the fuck are you even trying to say? That Counterspell and Cancel are mechanically distinct?
They are because they have different names. That's part of the construction of a legal 60-card or 100-card deck. Do you even fucking play M:tG or are you just here to troll people?

>Nobody would play them because they fan just run a second color in addition to the one they want to build. The limited color pool allows for the mechanics to have more versatility.
Bald-faced assumptions and wishful thinking on the part of someone afraid to get trounced by new strategies they can't possibly currently fathom.

>I did. It wasn't there.
It was. Read it again.

>Holy shit dude, you have no idea what this means, do you?
It means a lot more than that if you know how to use a spade in a trench on another human being, kid. "Psychological manipulation" yes? It's exactly what you are, gas-lit idiot. You look them in the eyes and get them to look the wrong way when you swing. Brown magic. It's real.

>...But not a natural force.
"Basic lands" aren't all "natural forces" when native African's in 2020 take a bridge built by missionaries in 800 as a part of nature for over 1000 years. These 800-year-old mud-huts the Arabs live in aren't basic Hamlets?

>Mate, Cancel is 1UU you incoherent faggot. Nobody tosses U into their deck because Cancel is a 3 CMC spell and Counterspell is a 2 CMC spell. Seek actual professional help because you're incoherently babbling.
We should both stop fucking using slang if you're only one kind of autistic. Do you only put 4 counterspells in your deck if you put 4 cancels in? No, cancel and counterspell have different card names. You can have 4 "Counterspells" and 4 "Cancels" in your 8 for 8 counterspells!

>>73900247
Okay so does their background make any of their points invalid, or are you a stupid gaslit idiot/simp/derogatory idiot/dero? See what name calling does? Gets us nowhere.

pic related, been murdering all of your arguments.

>>73900563
Congrats, you are probably the best troll on /tg/ this year. I normally wouldn't reply to bait but i like your style a lot, keep it up!

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>>73900649
I'm not even trolling. I'm in here dropping fresh ideas on custom cards because Wizards lurks 4chan and various other web forums because they're nerds like us. HI WIZARDS TEAMS! I DO THIS ART!

>>73900563
>pic related, been murdering all of your arguments
People who are winning arguments don't need to declare themselves the winner.

>>73900083
I meant philosophy-wise. The mechanics could be shifted around already existing colours (see Planar Chaos).

>>73900982
Where did you get frames with mana cost on the left?

>>73900563
>They are because they have different names
Functional reprints are not excuses to add in a new color of mana, you faggot.

>someone afraid to get trounced by new strategies
>>Hey man, that introduces a lot of unnecessary redundancy, plus it doesn't introduce anything mechanically new nor does the flavor make sense
>>"zOmG! You're just afraid you'd lose to it!"
Also lol that you think anything here COULD become real.

>It was.
You know, for how often you've insisted it was, you could have just copypasted it instead of acting like a kindergartner.

>You look them in the eyes and get them to look the wrong way when you swing.
You're literally saying that hitting someone with a shovel isn't just magical, but so uniquely magical that it deserves its own category desperate from magic that, say, throws living people at terminal velocity, bludgeons then, or starts an outright bar fight.

>"Basic lands" aren't all "natural forces"
Every single one of the five basic land types can be produced from nature.

>These 800-year-old mud-huts the Arabs live in aren't basic Hamlets?
No, they're not. They're man-made structures.

>We should both stop fucking using slang if you're only one kind of autistic.
Did you have a stroke here?

>Do you only put 4 counterspells in your deck if you put 4 cancels in?
Most decks don't run more than 4 counterspells unless they're building permission lists, so moot point.
And most deckbuilders refer to blue countermagic as "counterspells" anyway to convey the effect of countering a spell.

>Okay so does their background make any of their points invalid
It actually does.
The blogger isn't designing a game, they're shoehorning their own morality into an imbalanced abortion of a fan-pie with no respects to the game it's in.

FFS, they even label themselves as "yellow-pink" just to suck themselves off further.

>See what name calling does?
Maybe your point would be stronger if you didn't spend this thread screeching "gaslit simp."

>>73902244
Apparently not, did you see how Trump won the election in 2016? You're lame. You're boring. Get out.

>>73903261
Trump also actually knows how to argue and convince a crowd.
You do not.

>>73903100
>Functional reprints are not excuses to add in a new color of mana, you faggot.
Who the fuck needs an excuse at the end of the day, do you work for WotC?

>You're literally saying that hitting someone with a shovel isn't just magical, but so uniquely magical that it deserves its own category desperate from magic that, say, throws living people at terminal velocity, bludgeons then, or starts an outright bar fight.
No, I'm telling you how to get them to not block your shovel swing by distracting them with your eyes and where you're looking in a tense situation.

>You know, for how often you've insisted it was, you could have just copypasted it instead of acting like a kindergartner.
Here, you entire class of children:
>Each color has it's own restrictions
This means that for each set of restrictions we already have (each color) we get five MORE NEW sets of restrictions (five more colors) this gives us ten total sets of restrictions to design around and ten times as much novelty and variety.
>Every single one of the five basic land types can be produced from nature.
They can also be man-made and man-made structures can also produce these kinds of mana.

>No, they're not. They're man-made structures.
What is your fixation on things being "man-made"? Are non-basic lands all man-made? Also, magic is inherantly unnatural, so why not harness memories of unnatural basic land types? You REALLY SHOULD READ the Magic: the Gathering novels The gathering Dark, The Eternal Ice and The Shattered Alliance, all by Jeff Grubb.

>Did you have a stroke here?
Are you a former victim of one?

>Most decks don't run more than 4 counterspells unless they're building permission lists, so moot point.
>unless they're building permission lists, so moot point.
>unless they're building permission lists
Git gud at game design.

>And most deckbuilders refer to blue countermagic as "counterspells" anyway to convey the effect of countering a spell.
We weren't on the same page.

>>73903261
>Trump won the election
No, he lost the election but won the electoral college because 18th century.

>>73903100
>The blogger isn't designing a game, they're shoehorning their own morality into an imbalanced abortion of a fan-pie with no respects to the game it's in.
They're not spot-on with their assumptions, but they're on to something is what I'm saying. They completely brought their identity poltics into Brown by associatign it with Karl Marx when it's equally Sternerist in nature. "If this benefits me it benefits everyone." And if you think about Marx's actions more than his words you start to see even more. Propaganda, the card itself, is also a brown spell.

>FFS, they even label themselves as "yellow-pink" just to suck themselves off further.
Most of them are actually brown-black when you look at their actions. But am I not being as well, here?

>Maybe your point would be stronger if you didn't spend this thread screeching "gaslit simp."
I started with light-hearted ribbings, but honestly with the language everyone else is using... It's 4chan, quit being a dero idiot and grow a fucking brain.

>>73903635
Ack, which is to say he was a Sternerist who gaslit everyone with communist lies for his own profit! Never had a job in his life!

>>73903559
>Who the fuck needs an excuse at the end of the day, do you work for WotC?
If WotC browses this board, I could be for all you know.

>No, I'm telling you how to get them to not block
Mate, you completely missed the point.
What you said isn't strictly retarded because its gritty, it's retarded because it's not magical, and even if it were it doesn't warrant an entire color added.
Misdirection is Blue. Dodging for pacifistic means is White.

>>Each color has it's own restrictions
That's not an elaboration.

>this gives us ten total sets of restrictions
Again, you don't know what restrictions are.

>They can also be man-made
Get a load of this retard...

>and man-made structures can also produce these kinds of mana
In Magic, man-made structures can produce mana because everything is made from the aether or something derivative of mana. Basic lands are raw concentrations of a color of mana on a plane, providing the resources that man-made structures are built from. The only exceptions are planes where the widespread urban setting is fundamental to the plane's structure (as Nissa notes regarding Kaladesh).

>Are non-basic lands all man-made?
The answer doesn't change if basic lands are man-made or not.

>Also, magic is inherantly unnatural
In-universe, it is not.
That is literally the point of how the multiverse operates you retard.

>all by Jeff Grubb.
Namedropping doesn't make you look any less retarded.

>>unless they're building permission lists
>Git gud at game design.
Mate, you just look sad here. The whole point of permission decks is to pack in as much countermagic as possible and shut down the opponent, and those decks are going to run Blue to keep their mana concise so that they don't get outraced. They wouldn't run some knockoff color for novelty.

>We weren't on the same page
Yeah, no shit. You've yet to show ANY semblance that you know what you're talking about.

>>73903635
>but they're on to something is what I'm saying.
They're really not. They're taking a fan-revision made by a circlejerk community, bastardizing it, and you're trying to take that and mash it with a canon setup.

>Most of them are actually brown-black when you look at their actions
I'm not here to argue on the morality on left/right wing politics, I'm here to criticize the philosophy that they used for their revision of the color wheel, and your insistence in combining it with the actual color wheel.

>I started with light-hearted ribbings, but
"When you call people names, it's bad, but when I do it, it's just ribbings!"

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>>73904195
>If WotC browses this board, I could be for all you know.
They are such "liberals" these days I doubt it, but if you are what do you think of these mana symbols for pink and brown I just shat out?

>Misdirection is Blue. Dodging for pacifistic means is White.
I still think you can't read what I'm saying or you're high because you are so confusing to have a discussion with. "Magic is psychology" is the most basic part of MtG that if you can't appreciate that such a basic psychological tactic as using your eyes to make a scouting opponent entering your trench think you have an ally where you don't by darting your eyes where a friend could be laying and than back as you swing isn't one of the oldest WW tricks that exist, it should be a 1-drop N fight card for weenie-slaying. Especially in a card-game where "your dude runs past your opponents" Slippery Dodge? Oh and it has flashback so, "You can do it again if you remember to." That's blue unblockable flavor.

>>73904446
Sorry, by "WW" I meant "World War" not "White White."

what the fuck is this thread

>>73904195
>Again, you don't know what restrictions are.
Apparently you are an autistic tulpa or something and I need to define them for the universe? Restrictions such as "Green has very few if any flyers outside that one" "LIKE GO LOOK AT THE FUCKING OP FOR RESTRICTIONS ARE YOU NEW HERE!?Restrictions.

>Get a load of this retard...
Japan makes islands irl, you know that right? They ship out dirt from subterranean excavation projects and pile it in the ocean to build up land-mass to put structures on. That's a man-made Island you toolbox. Wait, toolboxes are useful.

>In Magic, man-made structures can produce mana because everything is made from the aether or something derivative of mana.
Yes.
>Basic lands are raw concentrations of a color of mana on a plane,
No. Wrong. Read the books I told you to.

>providing the resources that man-made structures are built from. The only exceptions are planes where the widespread urban setting is fundamental to the plane's structure (as Nissa notes regarding Kaladesh).
And Ravnica. So you see how basic lands can be man-made? Because you just helped me explain it you in words you can understand finally I hope.

>The answer doesn't change if basic lands are man-made or not.
Which you just answered in what I'd like to sumarrize as, "Yes, they are. On Ravnica and Kaladesh."

>In-universe, it is not.
>That is literally the point of how the multiverse operates you retard.
What part of the multiverse is natural? What part of Nicol Bolas's meditation realm is natural? What is your fixation on nature? How is Phyrexia natural? How is Rath-Dominaria natural? How is Innistrad in ANY WAY natural? HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU CONSIDER ELDRAZI NATURAL AT ALL UNLESS YOU ARE MYSELF, A WARP-ENTITY SUCH AS TZEENTCH, OR THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!?

>Namedropping doesn't make you look any less retarded.
THAT'S THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOKS I'M TELLING YOU TO READ YOU UNEDUCATED DROP-OUT!

>>73904610
/ccg/ - custom cards general
FIRE edition

>>73904667
doesn't look like it

>>73904195
>Mate, you just look sad here. The whole point of permission decks is to pack in as much countermagic as possible and shut down the opponent, and those decks are going to run Blue to keep their mana concise so that they don't get outraced. They wouldn't run some knockoff color for novelty.
It wouldn't be a novelty color after a block or two of it. They have so many sets a year these days that it would help mitigate the Keyword creep by splitting sets by color pool and branching into more formats, Standard RUGBW, Standard YOPIN, and Full Standard for example. How is this reasoning beyond you?

>Yeah, no shit. You've yet to show ANY semblance that you know what you're talking about.
You've yet to show any grasp of reading comprehension outside shitty comebacks. Are you starting to understand anything I'm typing at all?

I mean what the fuck do I know, it's not like I sketched the original five mana symbols under hypnosis in the 80's or anything...

>>73904750
those new colors are gay, who the fuck thinks thats a good idea

>>73904825
Apparently every magic community outside of this one. Which is why Wizards won't launch it after 20 years of development and secrecy.

>>73904678
Some schizophrenic faggot keeps spamming his take on a fan recoloration of the color pie.

>>73904900
schizofag here, I'm also arguing with
>>73904195

>>73904897
So 99% of the playerbase wants some new retarded colors? I think it's the other way around. And the keyword creep isn't a thing since they're not using most mechanics they introduced in previous sets.

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Thoughts?

If I could remember the Yellow Purple and Orange symbols, would you guys think it's less gay? Do you just not like pink mana?

Do you only understand sentences if I word them like MTG cards?

>>73904955
99% of the players don't go to millennial-assed tournaments and are a bunch of rich boomers who order crates of boxes on the internet with their money they got gaslighting you kids into working McDonalds and being spiteful at their Liberal Arts degree.

>>73904955
You don't fucking play Legacy Vintage or Extended, do you? You are such a tiny fragment of the player base.

>>73905006
The colors are gay, cause their identity is gay. What the fuck is magical about industry or profit. The differences between those new colors and old ones are marginal.

>>73905035
Wow, I butchered quotes, again. This is lame and gay and I hate it.

>>73905035
You need some meds, dude. I'm actualy worried for you.

>>73904963
Second ability tries to combine Kjeldoran Outpost ability and "choose X", I don't know if it works.
Also you forgot to write where to return cards

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Unless I AM a complete schizo, and I'm arguing with my own ip address...? I'm arguing with a different ip, there's not like a wing coming out of my back and typing when I'm alt-tabbed or some freaky shit...?

Anyways I assume 4chan is a cummonity that DOESN'T care about the purple symbol looking like a swastika? I'm undead as fuck and actually understand swastikas so I'm not offended and completely understand "swastika" = "rift" but 4chan kids these days...

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Also all the goth girls left this plane to go play purple and brown and yellow decks. So if you guys ever want to go to Goth iHOP you're gonna have to get over this shit and play against pink and purple decks. Big tiddy goth gfs, remember seeing those irl? Years ago? In movies maybe? Ever noticed goth girls are always in piss videos...?
Are you just afraid of all the schizo shit all the cute goth girls say about purple mana?

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>>73905161
the shit you're spewing

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Oh sweet I think I found a vulgar card on Google Images! This one's real!

>>73904922
Yes, we know you're arguing.

And we wish that you'd stop flooding the thread with your gay ass shit.

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Also these look like leaks but could be fakes easily in this day and age...

>>73905279
I found out they're fakes. I'll go away for a while and let you all waste the entire M:tG playing community's time for another few kalpas...

Unless I sense that prick arguing again...

>>73905311
You're fucked, man. Fucked beyond repair. Blessings of akatosh upon ye.

>>73905082
Yeah you're right they should say:
Name enters the battlefield tapped.
As name enters the battlefield, choose a color other then Y.
When name enters the battlefield, return an artifact or land you control to it's owners hand.
Tap, add Y and one Mana of the chosen color.

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>>73905341
God-Emperor of Mankind watch over you. Or Talos as he may be known to you, elf.

>>73904446
They're a little rough, but I love the idea behind them. With your permission, I'd like to forward them and the rest of your documentation to the rest of the design team. We've been considering alternatives to Phyrexian mana for an upcoming set, and open secret we hinted at in Dominaria, and having an "alternative" color pie alongside the familiar colors might be a route we'll want to take.

For the future, my name is Melvin. I'll be watching this thread.

>>73904963
Two of these = Infinite storm/etb trigger. Even used fairly as fixers they're a bit too good.

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>>73905311
>I found out they're fakes

>>73905102
It's too wavy for me to think 'swastika', but five swirlies instead of four would be a good idea.

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>>73906133
Okay. I'll try that out after seeing your post.

What does eeryone think of these alternatives? I put the most work into #4 but use your imaginations and don't let that cloud your opinion.

Even psycho-contrarian gaslight-"i'm not gaslighting you're schizo"-guy has been great feedback.

>>73906341
You said you were going away.

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>>73906396
You really have 2 memory or something and can't read whole sentences? I said I was going away "for a while". This is, 4chan, I'm used to threads disappearing in a moment after a flood of discussion when other people have these kinds of conversations.

>>73906133
I added yours. I'm gonna fuck around with yellow and orange if anyone feels like giving feedback.

>>73906396
Sorry I guess you're autistic and I *should* have *also* said, "or someone has something constructive to say." as an exclusion clause.

I can see why they keep you around though, holy fuck you must be good at wording cards.

>>73906396
>>73906471
ACTUALLY, you're probably fucking TERRIBLE at it now that I think about this for literally a second. You have been horrible to talk to like you came right out of 1299AD or some shit. Is English even your first fucking language?

>>73905617
They'd have to enter the battlefield untapped for storm. Although they should return land only to match karoos

>>73906471
Are you a tranny by a chance? Or just schizo? At first this shitshow was confusing as fuck, now it's legit entertaining.

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>>73906521
Hey hey people.

What do YOU fucking think?

I added what I wanted to use as a symbol, and two of my room-mates voted.

>>73906691
You could make pink's icon something pretzel-like, knots symbolise connection and togetherness

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>>73906691
woooow holy shit a fucking could shitting bricks amazing

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>>73906983
I can try that.

I think i got some good options for Orange, better than MSEforum's camel. Added my reasoning behind other symbols and a fun game for other OC-color-fags.

I might add a symbol for my own OC color, "Cyan" which is "Perfection" and I haven't fleshed it out yet. But the basic land is a "Tank" yeah, almost any kind of tank, mostly stasis tanks, breeding pools, "bacta" tanks, even those old dead WW2 tanks at the bottom of lakes with fish and coral living in them. Could even do non-basic ones like an actual functioning tank that's a land that makes C when not being crewed.

And just to go on record, I much prefer MSEforum's take on each color to that liberal-blog one psycho-anon seems to want to align me with.

>>73907438
I vote for ziggurat

>>73907471
Same, cause it looks like shit. I'll also vote for the swastika commas.

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>>73907471
done

>>73907495
done, did I get the right swastika commas? #3 or #4?
>Same, cause it looks like shit.
I fucking kek'd.

We need at least 25 colors desu.

>>73907438
Turqoise should have Coast or Cliff

>>73904897
>Which is why Wizards won't launch it after 20 years of development and secrecy.
They have not been "developing it after 20 years."

I can tell you firsthand experience with the guy that the supposed "god of the 'omniverse' colors" is not on R&D.

>>73904963
Ironically the "drawback" of bouncing an artifact or land being cut would make these more fair (albeit uncommon territory).

>>73905219
>This one's real!
That's from prank by InQuest magazine you shit. FFS, how were you able to find a scan of the card, but not find out from there that it was fake?

>>73905311
>I'll go away for a while
Oh, you didn't leave? Well that's a shocker.

>>73904446
>"Magic is psychology" is the most basic part of MtG that if you can't appreciate that such a basic psychological tactic as using your eyes to make a scouting opponent entering your trench think you have an ally where you don't by darting your eyes where a friend could be laying and than back as you swing isn't one of the oldest WW tricks that exist
You really need to take your meds. Magic needs more mana colors because you can hit someone with a shovel in WWI, which was common for soldiers to do?

WHAT?

>>73904653
>Restrictions such as "Green has very few if any flyers outside that one"
Let's take the inverse of that, that "W and U have fliers as primary, B has it secondary, and R sparsely." This means that if someone wants to build a Flying deck, they're going to mostly run W/U cards, and are restricted to those colors.
If you add five colors of mana on top of that, and, say, two of those give you access to more fliers, than that gives you more colors you can run in your deck. Since most players choose to play decks because of their strategy and not color, that gives them more options to work from.
"Restrictions" isn't some amount you can tally and add up. It's a logical negation on what you can do.

>Japan makes islands irl, you know that right?
So ALL islands are man-made, because some are?
No. they aren't. That's retarded.
Just like those islands, Magic has analogues for man-made lands that produce the same color of mana as an island, and almost none of them are basic.

>No. Wrong. Read the books I told you to.
If your recollection of those books is as good as yours on that blog you linked, then you didn't read them.

>So you see how basic lands can be man-made?
Again, "The only exceptions are planes where the widespread urban setting is fundamental to the plane's structure." Ask your doctor to diagnose you for dyslexia next time you go for your happy-pills.

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>>73907641
Good, give me more. Is it like parts of green/blue but with parts of black or something? A place where trees grow and water flows, but eddies to pool and stagnate...? This could help me develop Cyan by intentionally not stepping on Turquoise's toes while still overlapping in places. Which is why I didn't want to *completely* shut down Turqouise-posting; but was kind of harsh on it replacing or superceding other colors that are more well-established in the human psyche on other forums. Those ones we need to "nudge" in the right directions more than anything.

>>73907573
Agreed.

>>73906983
I added more room and fired off some pink designs based on your suggestion. Will add voting on a future version once we get some purple and orange out of the way. I think we can already tell which ones will go. Accepting suggestions on them as well.

>>73908344
Turquoise and Cyan are extremely close. Don't use both.

>>73904653
>"Yes, they are. On Ravnica and Kaladesh."
You are not making Ravnica or Kaladesh.
I chose Kaladesh as the primary example because they explicitly established that the city and aetherborn are just manifestations of unstable mana.
Meanwhile your shit proposes "Cottage," implying areas in a plane where human settlement is an exception, "Dune," a desolated area, and "Trench," which you've wasted too much time trying to establish works despite explicitly being constructed.
It's basic worldbuilding that you fucked up.

>What part of the multiverse is natural?
...Do you think the multiverse is actually real?
Bruh, MtG is a fictional story. Whatever exists as the laws of the universe is 'natural' in the perspective of the story. I don't need to say anything about how Blue or Green mana is natural in the multiverse because that's how the universe in the story operates.

>What part of Nicol Bolas's meditation realm is natural?
...The part where it formed without any conscious being creating it?

>What is your fixation on nature?
MtG doesn't have to adhere to real life's version of what's natural, but in order to tell a story and use a system for defining play it needs to have consistency for what's 'natural' within its universe.
You forfeit whatever claim you have for flavor resembling MtG by asking people to forget how the multiverse works.

>THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!?
Oh, go kill yourself already you sperging 13 year old.

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>>73900563
>are you a stupid gaslit idiot/simp/derogatory idiot/dero? See what name calling does? Gets us nowhere.
only because you're so bad at it.
reread >>73899021

>>73908237
(1/2 and I already lost a BUNCH of explanation.)
>You really need to take your meds. Magic needs more mana colors because you can hit someone with a shovel in WWI, which was common for soldiers to do?
You take your fucking meds, dude.

>If you add five colors of mana on top of that, and, say, two of those give you access to more fliers, than that gives you more colors you can run in your deck.
Yes and no. Yes because there will literally be two more color options as we both agree. No, because those new flyers are in new colors, and thusly will alter the mana base of your deck as we agree. Some of those may be multicolored cards, with more restrictive casting costs than hybrid mana, phyrexian mana, or mono-colored cards. You are usually going to be building decks within a restricted number of cards, 60 or 100, and only have so many card slots to assign to cards as I'm sure we both agree. The new flyers will also have different restrictions built into them due to their new color identity, adding more options, even if "gimmicky" at times. Is this not a game built on "gimmicks"? Each color has "gimmicks". These new colors will and must have their own "gimmicks" to even REACH official print in the first place.

>So ALL islands are man-made, because some are?
You take your meds, I did not say that.I did not imply any of these insinuations you are reaching for.

>If your recollection of those books is as good as yours on that blog you linked, then you didn't read them.
Did you? The puzzle Jodah had to solve to cast the spell that he was feeding the wrong color mana into? When Jodah refuted the warrior-priestesses faith by pointing out to cast her flame-lash spell she recalled a monastery on a mountain and her homeland cottage. She used a R/W hybrid land and a W/P hybrid land to flame lash him right there. Read it. They're great books too!

>>73908237
>>73908796
(2/2)

>Again, "The only exceptions are planes where the widespread urban setting is fundamental to the plane's structure." Ask your doctor to diagnose you for dyslexia next time you go for your happy-pills.
There are two such planes already established, and many more that have undocumented locations *within* said plane that could easily fit the bill. How many 300-year-old hamlets with no real name of note or renown exist dotting Europe on Earth today? I can't name every Eastern European township without Google or Wikipedia, can you? Does that make them "basic" probably not to the inhabitants but to anyone scrolling by on Google Maps or Earth it's not gonna always stick with them as being unique or having a name.

What of a plane where the existing islands are so over-populated they had to create more with magic? What of Mirrodin in it's entirety? Karn created it originally they say. The basic plains from Urza's Saga that depicted the floating flat islands of Serra's Realm?

>Just like those islands, Magic has analogues for man-made lands that produce the same color of mana as an island, and almost none of them are basic
As you can see by reading my point above your quote here, there are plenty of man-made structures across the multiverse and MTG print history that are basic lands.

>>73908401
>You are not making Ravnica or Kaladesh.
What? Take your meds. Am I in charge of making a specific plane here? Says who? What?

>I chose Kaladesh as the primary example because they explicitly established that the city and aetherborn are just manifestations of unstable mana.
Okay, what about Ravnica? It's been around for twenty years in print, seems stable outside all the wars and shit.
And what point are you trying to make with Kaladesh? I didn't even know it was "ephemeral" or "transient" in nature in any way. Is this like Zendikar? Because then you've fucked your precedence over again with your own examples.

>...Do you think the multiverse is actually real
>Bruh, MtG is a fictional story. Whatever exists as the laws of the universe is 'natural' in the perspective of the story. I don't need to say anything about how Blue or Green mana is natural in the multiverse because that's how the universe in the story operates.
Okay cuck, good luck getting a goth gf waifu with that attitude.

>...The part where it formed without any conscious being creating it?
Nice assumption. No one knows who made it. That doesn't make it natural.

>MtG doesn't have to adhere to real life's version of what's natural, but in order to tell a story and use a system for defining play it needs to have consistency for what's 'natural' within its universe.
You forfeit whatever claim you have for flavor resembling MtG by asking people to forget how the multiverse works.
I'm not though, I'm explaining more of how it works with clear examples. You're just saying "no you're not", pulling information out of your ass, usually wrong information I have to waste several paragraphs refuting repeatedly,

>Oh, go kill yourself already you sperging 13 year old.
Why isn't 4chan blocked in your college dorm? Did your rich parents pay for your dorm? What are you majoring in?

>>73908370
But, senpai, >>73907573 agrees with me, and they're... actually surprisingly not me...

We need to evolve humanity to the point we have 4k M:tG.

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>>73909000
>Schizo telling someone to take meds.
>All this delirious insults.
Someone make this stop.

>>73908370
>>73909016
We need AT LEAST 25, 50 would be perfect. Every block should introduce 5 colors EACH.

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what the fuck is going on in the thread

>>73909151
As much as leveling creatures could be a cool mechanic, putting lots of shit on each step is realy fucking ugly on those frames. You basicaly reached 10 lines of text on one card, which isn't and should't be a norm.

>>73909151
I was wondering the same thing. Feels like some dumbfuck arguing with himself to shit the thread up purely out of spite or something. It's surreal.
>card
The idea of level counter theft is pretty neat. Though, the formatting on this is waaay the fuck off. Base P/T belongs where it normally goes, for starters. And unfortunately, at actual card size, this might be unreadable. It having a drawback as you level it up feels... bad. Like, you're fucking up your other creatures to feed this thing and it's gonna hurt you as a result? Devour doesn't hurt you. Exploit doesn't hurt you. Why does this?

>>73909214
actually ignore that P/T part, I'm a retard and forgot what a real leveler looks like. The rest stands though.

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>>73909064
How about 5 every 30 years or so?

>>73909151
"I wouldn't worry about it"
Your dragon looks fairly costed and in the correct rarity. It's mechanics and flavor fit R/B perfectly.

>>73909214
No, there's actually someone arguing with me. I'm pissing into an ocean of pissy yellow piss-logic apparently. But that's literally one of the oldest 4chan memes.

Pic somehow related despite not trolling at all on my part, just an honest and intractable defense of my standpoint. and this not being /b/ but /tg/ where creativity is supposed to be...

>>73909189
>>73909214
Honestly, you're right. I loved levelers back on the day, but the frames are too small to do anything really interesting with them, so they end up just being big creatures. I think I'll scrap the set since Level Up and Mutate got mixed reviews and start some Time Spiral-ish shit.

>>73909400
A creature where the P/T flip-flop could be interesting. Starts as a 1/5, becomes a 3/3, then if you want you can make it a 5/1 with evasion or something. Making leveling up not the obvious choice, or a situational one, isn't something they explored very much.

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>>73909456
My plan for that was to make some levelers do completely different things each level, so you have to think on when to level them up instead of just use all of your unused mana.
The designs are much cleaner when you use actual mana costs in the level up cost instead of weird shit, so you only have 2 real levels to work with.

>>73909151
The level up ability on that could be done the same way they do when they use text costs instead of mana costs in abilities that normally cost mana. Look at cards like Gift of Doom, where instead of "Morph [mana cost]" it is "Morph -- [text cost]
So yours could be "Level up -- Remove a level counter from another creature you control."

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>>73908796
>You take your fucking meds, dude.
>>NO U!
I'm not the schizo.

>Yes and no
There is no "yes an no." If you have more options to play for fliers, then you have more options to play for fliers, which means you would have more colors to run alongside them for adding in additional effects. That's not adding in "new restrictions" in any conceivable way.

>I did not say that
...But you tried to use that to dispell that on 98% of planes, "Basic Island" is a stand-in for a natural structure. Going after that means going after basic islands categorically.
You don't even know what you're arguing.

>She used a R/W hybrid land and a W/P hybrid land to flame lash him right there
>>"Oh, yeah, well guess what! Basic lands can be unique artificial structures because in one of the magic books, characters draw from nonbasic lands! I bet your feel really stupid now!"

>>73908858
>How many 300-year-old hamlets with no real name of note or renown exist dotting Europe on Earth today?
300 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things, and they're not as intrinsic to the formation of the planet as the land surrounding them.
For all the special pleading you're doing, you could literally argue for "Blockbuster mana."

>plane where the existing islands are so over-populated they had to create more with magic?
Interesting idea, but if they did make a plane like that, they'd have cards reflecting the creation of islands.

>Karn created it originally they say.
Karn went into an existing empty plane and gave it form.
In the author's explanation, he even says that completely artificial planes have "a limited lifespan."
Artificial leylines (the groundwork that channels mana into a plane and gives it form) simply don't sustain a plane against the rest of the BE.
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/335418-ask-the-author-s?page=6#c173

>man-made structures across the multiverse and MTG print history that are basic lands.
...Yeah, like a R/W hybrid land.

>>73909000
>Am I in charge of making a specific plane here?
You're the one trying to argue that revising the color pie would work for certain planes if they meet certain conditions. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to assume you have one in mind.

>It's been around for twenty years in print, seems stable outside all the wars and shit.
You're deliberately conflating societal stability with 'chemical' stability (which is your fault since I explicitly said "unstable MANA").

>Is this like Zendikar? Because then
I never never mentioned or hinted at Zendikar once you screeching retard.
If you actually read the text you were quoting, you'd know what point I made about Kaladesh.

>Okay cuck, good luck getting a goth gf waifu with that attitude.
>>He thinks sperging out about fake magic cards on /tg/ will get him a girlfriend, and other people come to /ccg/ for the same goal
That's just sad.

>No one knows who made it. That doesn't make it natural.
Now you're just stretching. If you want to argue that it's artificial, then give some reasoning for me to believe it is. Otherwise you can sit there and use that excuse for any plane since we never really see a natural plane's formation.

>I'm not though, I'm explaining more of how it works
No, you fucking aren't. You're getting planes and the purpose of mana mixed up while saying that dodging a shovel is a fundamental part of the world on par with fire and light.
You're just saying "no you're not", pulling information out of your ass, usually wrong information I have to waste several paragraphs refuting repeatedly,
(Huh, weird how that works against you too...)

>Why isn't 4chan blocked in your college dorm?
...That's an stupid attempt at a comeback and I'm legitimately dumbfounded trying to think of where to begin explaining why this is stupid.

>>73909016
The post "agreeing" with you is sarcasm.
I feel bad for explaining that to you, but even worse that I needed to explain that to you.

>>73910176
>There is no "yes an no." If you have more options to play for fliers, then you have more options to play for fliers, which means you would have more colors to run alongside them for adding in additional effects. That's not adding in "new restrictions" in any conceivable way.
There is yes and no. There are new fliers, yes. No, because said new flyers have new restrictions.

>...But you tried to use that to dispell that on 98% of planes,
You thought I was the schizo?

> "Basic Island" is a stand-in for a natural structure.
Except on Zendikar (the floating cup basic island, other weird unnatural floating landscapes), Lorwyn (where all islands are rivers), Ravnica (where they're usually rivers, waterfalls, and towers jutting from man-made lakes), Kaladesh (same as Ravnica, but you say it shifts like Zendikar? I'm not too familiar with Kaladesh lore, I just drafted it at pre-release once) Urza's saga (again, all plains in the art are floating in the sky like islands, they're basic lands.)

>Going after that means going after basic islands categorically.
Except for all the exclusions and exceptions we've both pointed out to this autistic rule you hold so dearly and won't shut up about.

>You don't even know what you're arguing.
Says you. Take your meds.

>300 years is nothing in the grand scheme of things,
How long do you think most natural landscapes like forests and plains last for? "Drain the swamp"? Many plains are man-made, we all take the eastern part of the great planes of North America for granted as "natural" but my area was marshalnd originally and most of my surrounding region was boreal forest at the time of white settlement according to commonly accepted history here.
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>>73910176
>>73910803
(2/2)
>and they're not as intrinsic to the formation of the planet as the land surrounding them.
Erosion, plate tectonics, volcanic eruptions, all of these change the landscape in spans of thousands of years to mere decades. Volcanic islands grow with each eruption. Some islands are consumed by rising sea levels.

>For all the special pleading you're doing, you could literally argue for "Blockbuster mana."
I really doubt I could, that would be way too hard of a sell even for me.

>Interesting idea, but if they did make a plane like that, they'd have cards reflecting the creation of islands.
What is Evolving Wilds. Next rebuttal.

>Karn went into an existing empty plane and gave it form.
>In the author's explanation, he even says that completely artificial planes have "a limited lifespan."
>Artificial leylines (the groundwork that channels mana into a plane and gives it form) simply don't sustain a plane against the rest of the BE.
>https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/magic-storyline/335418-ask-the-author-s?page=6#c173
No, in the article you posted, will McDermot states in the second half of the post YOU LINKED. : "I believe Karn created the fabric of the world itself ". Also, you argue that constructed and ephemeral things "aren't basic lands" yet Mirrodin, which you point out is ephemeral and will one day collapse, HAS BASIC LANDS OF EVERY CURRENT TYPE. Next rebuttal.

>...Yeah, like a R/W hybrid land.
That's not a basic land, but this is, it was crafted in the lore along with her entire plane by a white planeswalker named Serra, in Urza's Saga:

>>73910803
>There are new fliers, yes
Then there are more options for fliers.
Adding on more options means having more options.
You could literally represent this with basic math, and somehow the idea is too difficult for you to grasp.

>You thought I was the schizo?
Except you did say it:
>>Japan makes islands irl, you know that right? They ship out dirt from subterranean excavation projects and pile it in the ocean to build up land-mass to put structures on. That's a man-made Island you toolbox.
Ironically, you're trying to gaslight now.

>Except on Zendikar (the floating cup basic island, other weird unnatural floating landscapes),
Go look up what "stand-in" means you dyslexic retard.
If you're going to quote text, then at least read what you're quoting.

>same as Ravnica, but you say it shifts like Zendikar?
Again, nobody is talking about Zendikar you faggot.

>Except for all the exclusions and exceptions
Yes, those exceptions being explicitly artificial planes or planes where the main feature is that they're urban.
...Which you said you weren't doing.

>Says you.
Yeah 'says me,' the guy who needs to remind you to actually read the posts he's responding to.

>How long do you think most natural landscapes like forests and plains last for?
Longer than 300 years you Creationist.

>we all take the eastern part of the great planes of North America for granted as "natural"
...You cannot be so stupid as to seriously think that the Great Plains are a man-made construct. Don't even make another post. I don't want to know how far down your rabbit hole of your retardation goes.

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>>73910366
>You're deliberately conflating societal stability with 'chemical' stability
Explain.

>I never never mentioned or hinted at Zendikar once you screeching retard.
I was the one who deliberately brought up Zendikar after you mentioned "Kaladesh being unstable" and "basic lands had to be natural" attached is an example of an unnatural basic land from Zendikar. You have been screeching your pissantry this whole time since the first post I made.

>If you actually read the text you were quoting, you'd know what point I made about Kaladesh.
Fucking hilarious coming from you.

>He thinks sperging out about fake magic cards on /tg/ will get him a girlfriend, and other people come to /ccg/ for the same goal
>That's just sad.
*yawn* You must be rolling in goth pussy my dude.

>Now you're just stretching. If you want to argue that it's artificial, then give some reasoning for me to believe it is. Otherwise you can sit there and use that excuse for any plane since we never really see a natural plane's formation.
Nice logical fallacy. You do it.

>No, you fucking aren't. You're getting planes and the purpose of mana mixed up while saying that dodging a shovel is a fundamental part of the world on par with fire and light.
You really can't read, I was explaining how to HIT someone with the shovel first of all. I was also explaining how to increase your chances of getting the drop on your opponent by psyching them out and lowering their guard using only eye-gestures.

You seem like some newfriend tourneyfag who has never read a scrap of MTG lore older than Return to Ravnica and are too lazy to use any simple search engine to verify my claims.

>...That's an stupid attempt at a comeback and I'm legitimately dumbfounded trying to think of where to begin explaining why this is stupid.
Versus your comeback of, "oh go kill yourself already you sperging 13 year old".

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>>73910366
>The post "agreeing" with you is sarcasm.
I feel bad for explaining that to you, but even worse that I needed to explain that to you.
Given you are incapable of detecting it, that's poignantly ironic....

>>73910977
>Except you did say it:
>then a quote of mine being twisted by a lunatic to somehow imply Japan isn't real or some shit
>Ironically, you're trying to gaslight now.
Pic related, it's called Odaiba. It's pretty fucking basic it's a square. There are more around the world, have you heard of Dubai? They make them too. You dump a fucking barge full of gravel in the water and keep doing that until it's shallow enough to finish it with floating excavators.

>Go look up what "stand-in" means you dyslexic retard.
>If you're going to quote text, then at least read what you're quoting.
What in the hot fuck are you een trying to say here? Where are you getting this information form? What is your derangement?

>Again, nobody is talking about Zendikar you faggot.
No one was fucking talking about Kaladesh either until your autistic fingers typed it up.

>Yeah 'says me,' the guy who needs to remind you to actually read the posts he's responding to.
Read the posts you are responding to. Take your pills psycho and stop hallucinating words that aren't there. Holy shit are you on LSD or something?

>Longer than 300 years you Creationist.
You truly are illiterate and insane to ever assume I am a creationist in the Christian sense.

>...You cannot be so stupid as to seriously think that the Great Plains are a man-made construct. Don't even make another post. I don't want to know how far down your rabbit hole of your retardation goes.
Well if you knew any history at all, you know it was clear-cut boreal forest and filled-in marshalnd for a good portion of Soutern Manitoba at the very least. If you'd finish reading what the fuck I had typed instead of doing another hit of meth or whatever the fuck you're doing here...

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>>73910847
>Erosion, plate tectonics, volcanic eruptions
Goddamn dude. Reading every one of your posts is like sitting down in front of five novels, reading page 1 of the first one, page 2 of the second, and so on, treating it all as one continued story.
Every single response within is an off-topic tangent in another direction that has nothing to do with the previous.

>that would be way too hard of a sell even for me.
That's the precedent you set up. If a single building in the woods can generate a different color of mana, almost any building can.

>What is Evolving Wilds
Not that. In fact the flavor of most Evolving Wilds printings point it to being an act of nature, not man.

>No, in the article you posted, will McDermot states in the second half of the post
Nice cherry picking. Let's go and read the immediate next bit of the post:
>>but the blinkmoths were either already there (in a relatively unformed plane) or he imported them from somewhere else. (...) My guess is that Karn (knowing that manufactured planes have a limited lifespan, transformed an existing (and nearly desolate) plane for his home, taking great care not to upset the balance of the blinkmoth's existence.
Now fuck off.

>That's not a basic land
Then why the fuck did try to say it was?

>a white planeswalker named Serra, in Urza's Saga:
Nobody's impressed that you know the basics Urza block you giganigger.

>>73911130
Fuck off chaos-worshipper.

>>73911109
>>73911001
Dude, shut the fuck up already. Nobody likes your gay ass colors, and shitting up the thread with your autism doesn't help.

>>73911001
>Explain.
I should not need to, but you're the guy who also thought that there was a "real" purple mana card. One reflects the governance of a society and how much turmoil its citizens experience, and the other is "the fabric of the universe is so unstable that there's literally people made from it that constantly appear out of nowhere and then die shortly afterwards."

>I was the one who deliberately brought up Zendikar after you mentioned
>>I'm the one bringing up an unrelated plane to your point
Yeah, no shit.

>You must be rolling in goth pussy my dude.
>>He's trying this shit
>>On 4chan.

>Nice logical fallacy.
Buzzwords.

>I was explaining how to HIT someone with the shovel first of all
>>No, I'm telling you how to get them to not block your shovel swing by distracting them with your eyes and where you're looking in a tense situation
Mate, at least be consistent with your retarded example.

>and are too lazy to use any simple search engine to verify my claims.
Not my job

>>73911109
>Given you are incapable of detecting it
I'm not the one who got excited over sarcasm.

>It's pretty fucking basic it's a square.
That's not what "Basic" in Magic means you retard.

>What in the hot fuck are you een trying to say here?
"Read the text you are quoting."
Not too difficult.

>No one was fucking talking about Kaladesh
I mentioned Kaladesh to note the exceptions to how the planes define "natural" structures when compared to conventional understanding.
You mentioned Zendikar to sperg out "but Islands aren't always Islands, so anything can be a basic land" or some shit.

>Read the posts you are responding to. Take your pills psycho and stop hallucinating words that aren't there.
ITT: Projection.

>You truly are illiterate and insane to ever assume I am a creationist
Well, you do believe that mountains are about as old as a 300-year old cottage...

>you know it was clear-cut boreal forest
Dude...
https://sciencing.com/kinds-land-topography-8158591.html

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>>73911211
Nobody gives a fuck about your fucking samefagging either, thanks for wasting half of this thread's post-limit on your idiotic crusade against...


What exactly?


Here's a purple card I found on the internet to have something semi-related to the topic of custom MtG cards.

>>73911282
Again. Keep your psychotic episode to yourself.

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>>73911287
>Accuses people of samefagging
>Immediately makes >>73911299

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>>73911373
It was a double-post you massive fucking hypocrite.

Here's another purple card made by someone outside your autistic hugbox.

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>>73911364
So you are samefagging.

>>73911385
>It was a double-post you massive fucking hypocrite.
That would imply I'm samefagging. I just deleted a post to be more explicit.

Nice G/W card btw.

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>>73911409
Except a GW card would cost GW to cast, not PP. I can't wait for both lockdown and summer to end so you kids can to go the fuck back to school.

>>73911424
>Except a GW card would cost GW to cast, not PP
Well, the effects are GW, and PP isn't a real, color, so it's a GW card.

I thought I lived in a college dorm, or something?

Also, your Red card is a little OP, since you can use it to get a Brightsteel Colossus. onto the battlefield.

>>73911458
You seem to be some kind of warp-entity rapidly vacillating between a pre-schooler and a college dropout.

I mean it would be a red card if it cost red but you know absolutely dick SHIT about game design and are probably just here to bully the poor girl from the last thread who posts all the adorable but horribly costed cat cards or some other easy target you normally hunt...

>>73911486
>I mean it would be a red card if it cost red
Well its effect is red, and purple isn't a real color in Magic, so it's a red card.

>>73911486
Not him, but cards can be improperly colored. Slapping a purple mana symbol on a card doesn't mean it properly follows purple design principles (whatever those are -- I have no idea, since purple is a meme). Mystic of Creation, for example, has an effect that is demonstrably red using design precedent. Not that colors can't share abilities and effects, but as purple isn't real and has no established precedent, you'd have to specify that it would share such effects with red (plausible), or that you were shifting such effects out of red and solely into purple (a bad idea).

In either case, the issue is that purple isn't real and you don't seem to be doing a good job of explaining what role you'd want it to fill within the structure of the game on a game-wide or a card-by-card basis.

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>>73911486
I'm going to assume that you mean me as the guy who posts "cat cards" even though everyone on 4chan is a dude. If you think that my card aren't properly costed, then feel free to offer suggestions.

It just looks like you're mentioning me to try to draw fire away from yourself.
I wouldn't defend you even if I did agree with you. You flooded the last thread right after I posted uncommons for review and buried them.

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>>73911594
Thank you for being an actual human being. I don't know what that other guys is.

>Not him, but cards can be improperly colored. Slapping a purple mana symbol on a card doesn't mean it properly follows purple design principles (whatever those are -- I have no idea, since purple is a meme).
I agree, improperly colored cards have even made it into official print in the past and Wizards has admitted to several variations of these scenarios before. However I have a big folder of purple cards I've found online I've collected while arguing here with that... thing... they seem to actually have some overall color identity fleshed out across other forums. There are a few dumb mechanics like "Forget" that have no reminder text and seem "easy to cheat" on anything I can imagine "Forget" might be. Each card when you look at a single card, yes, screams "this is just X color or Y color!" (bad example when we're talking with yellow obvs, but you should know XYZ variables unlike that fucking thing...) but when you look at ALL the cards across the color, it very much paints a different color than "this is just X! or this is just Y!" it very much starts to look like P. Unless it really is Y, but I've only seen one of those so far while searching on Google Images and it's just Lightning Bolt named Thunderbolt, which. I guess you could have 4 and 4 in your deck, and it wouldn't be broken because one costs R and the other costs Y.

See? Compare all these purple cards in the thread and use your imagination.

Also like, call the MIB or some shit on that other poster, that thing ain't human....

>>73911662
That one's actually very decently costed. can you post one of your sheets? I'd be glad to offer feedback.

I apologize for nothing however.

>>73911754
>but when you look at ALL the cards across the color, it very much paints a different color than "this is just X! or this is just Y!" it very much starts to look like P.
The problem here is that you're posting single cards and have yet to clearly voice what it is you feel purple's identity should be mechanically.
>See? Compare all these purple cards in the thread and use your imagination.
The thing is, it isn't my job to guess at and flesh out your ideas for you. You should be the one posting the premise here. Once you do that clearly, THEN I can help refine the ideas via feedback.

That leads us to these questions: What should the mechanical identity of purple cards be? What makes purple unique and differentiates it from other colors? What can it do that other colors can't?

>>73911765
There were sheets in the last thread. You could have offered feedback there. Since this thread has had a lot of arguing, and probably will have more, I'm not going to paste another sheet that's just going to be slid when I could instead focus on some of the other revisions that were suggested first.

>>73911754
Nice WB card.

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>>73911831
>The problem here is that you're posting single cards and have yet to clearly voice what it is you feel purple's identity should be mechanically.
I have no fucking clue yet. It's few mechanics I can really describe with keywords. Snakeforms, hexproof, splice-like-mechanics, out-of-block cascade seems like a good idea, other niche keywords could see reprint as purple or any flavorful color's core mechanic.

>The thing is, it isn't my job to guess at and flesh out your ideas for you. You should be the one posting the premise here. Once you do that clearly, THEN I can help refine the ideas via feedback.
Why are you assuming that's your job? Why is everyone answering questions that no body is asking? I'll admit I entered this thread with a chip on my shoulder for being banned for "dubs-posting" for a day. Fucking newfriend rules. But I was posting mana SYMBOLS. FOR ARTISTIC FEEDBACK.

And then I just started teaching lessons as incongruancy came at me...

Spell-check also hates all of my favorite old words today...

>>73911990
>And then I just started teaching lessons as incongruancy came at me...
Translation: I was being an asshat to people who know the game better than I do.

Nice U card, by the way.

>>73911990
>Why are you assuming that's your job? Why is everyone answering questions that no body is asking?
That's...what this thread is for, anon. Judging and refining custom card ideas. If you post cards, I'm going to assume it's for feedback on your ideas, which means I'm also going to assume that you HAVE concrete ideas.

I'll admit that I didn't follow your whole conversation before I jumped in, though, because it was enormous and looked asinine. If you aren't actually here to discuss card design ideas, I'm not sure what I can do for you.

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>>73911990
Actually I guess I didn't at all, I came in ranting about color theory like it was cutting edge. Oh well. Drew some nice mana symbols, right?

Orange still fake and gay imho. idk. Who fucking cares, y'all assholes anyways since Thread #1. Coulda done this drawing shit two days ago if it weren't for the "poster beyond space" or whatever that thing that doesn't speak English very well is. Is he a purple card? /dab

>>73912024
>because it was enormous and looked asinine
Well, thanks for making that even fucking worse. I haven't even made a purple card before and don't know where to begin. Just seen them played in basement games.

>If you aren't actually here to discuss card design ideas, I'm not sure what I can do for you.
Are you the only poster on /tg/ today or are you just a solipsist?

>>73912045
That's just a blue card.

>y'all assholes anyways since Thread #1
Then leave.

>>73912071
What I mean to say is, if you have nothing to contribute why do you feel the need to post? Why are you just posting "I don't know what I can do for you."

Stop wasting post limits with non-posts, if my post had no value to you, great, fucking ignore it and address one you do give a shit about and stop wasting everyone's time reading stupid posts like this.

>>73912091
>>73912071
These are both me, 4chan needs a fucking edit button because this is god-damned asinine trying to communicate with anyone when I can't fucking CORRECT MY GOD-DAMNED SENTENCE FRAGMENTS.

>>73912091
OKAY THAT ONE IS NOT ME.

>>73912045
>>73912071
THESE TWO ARE ME.

>>73912104
THIS IS ALSO OBVIOUSLY ME.

SORRY FOR REPEATEDLY POSTING THIS WEBSITE IS ARCHAIC AND I CAME HERE OUT OF NOSTALGIA.

>>73912111
Nobody fucking cares. We can all tell that you're one guy because you're the only one pushing this purple crap.

And it's not the website's fault that you don't know how to proofread.

>>73912071
>I haven't even made a purple card before and don't know where to begin.
Then why start there with design? Why not start with something you're more familiar with?
>don't know where to begin
Basic color theory seems like a good spot. Again: What should the mechanical identity of purple cards be? What makes purple unique and differentiates it from other colors? What can it do that other colors can't? These aren't rhetorical questions, they're the foundation of design.
>>73912096
>if you have nothing to contribute why do you feel the need to post?
Apart from marveling at the staggering irony of this statement, I'm trying to help you, which starts by figuring out what the hell it is you want. I thought it was to design purple cards, but you cast some doubt on that assumption.

Basically, do you actually want to design some cards? If so, start posting some actual thoughts and ideas that I can work with.

Fucking hell this is a nightmare. This is a purple spell isn't it?
These two posts are me:
>>73895482
>>73895684
I started with a double-post because I was posting two pictures, the second post was cut-off before I was done typing it and makes NO sense because of that.

Then this thing calls me a fucking schizo out of nowhere:
>>73895949

And I respond with this:
>>73896087

And everything goes to shit.

>>73912196
We don't need a fucking recap of you sperging out about your Game Theory-tier "is MtG secretly a part of 40K canon" bullshit.

>>73912256
Everyone else was fucking lost still apparently. >>73912145 literally just asked me for one.
Are you playing bingo and need me to call you a "paid schill" or something to win?

>>73912145
see
>>73912196
for where this nightmare began. You can see where I *almost* got to ask my question about the mana symbols I was designing before my post was cut off and I was immediately called a schizo by that... thing... script-kiddy? was it waiting for me? Did it force me to post?

>>73912302
You trying to kiss up to the only anon left who you haven't sperged at is pathetic.

If you're going to try to recap, at least link from the previous thread where you tried this crap, sperged out there, got collectively told to fuck off...
>>73851683

...Then started spamming unrelated shit hoping that le funi forty-kay memers would back you up
>>73861187

...And after getting told collectively to fuck off started doubling down, before hoping that everyone on the new thread would forget your bullshit if you spam it again.
>>73895482

>>73912363
>If you're going to try to recap, at least link from the previous thread
Oh, it's still there, wow. I didn't even look.
>where you tried this crap, sperged out there, got collectively told to fuck off...
You mean everyone sperged on me and I sperged back as is the normal language of 4chan, yes. Is this new in this era?

>>73912363
>...Then started spamming unrelated shit hoping that le funi forty-kay memers would back you up
That's an image of a related magic card, halfway through the discussion of me being sperged at by.. well, you and your other personalities apparently?

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How about we post some cards, huh?

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>>73912196
>>73912302
I'm going to be honest, you're not going to win anyone over.

Even if people were open to the idea of a sixth color, nevermind ten colors, you completely dropped the ball by arguing about an idea that you didn't even fully commit to beyond spitballing. Then when people tried making level-headed responses for why your whole ten-color shit wasn't working, you spilled your spaghetti and started claiming outragious shit like "they've been in R&D for 20+ years."

After that, you've made probably the biggest mistake anyone here can make with me avoiding it part of the reason why I'm able to make a Warrior Cats set of all things and started acting like an authority dictating what is, and I quote, "intrinsic to the universe" while trying to tell anons that they were all wrong about established characters, and then went into actually schizophrenic shit like "Did you know Bloodborne is an MTG set somewhere? It's the other side of Innistrad's moon cycle mythos, but torn into my own personal subconscious nightmare of being eaten by a pig as a small girl when my spark was first awakening."

Acting high and mighty is a fool's game on here, since unless you have something that you're known for, every poster is as amateur or experienced as any other, and you quickly became "that guy that posts rants and calls you names if you tell him 6+ colors doesn't work."

All you've done is argue about something that most people don't agree with, and didn't even do it that well.

And the worst part is that you're probably not even going to answer this post with anything more than some more pleading, or you'll just insult me.

>>73912448
>I didn't even look.
Shocker.

>You mean everyone sperged on me
No, you definitely entered the thread sperging.

>That's an image of a related magic card
Your 40k fan-theory based on a Portal: Second Age card is not related to custom magic you stupid nigger.

>you and your other personalities apparently
>>Only one person could disagree with me!
Fuck off.

>>73912496
>Then when people tried making level-headed responses
Show me one.

>After that, you've made probably the biggest mistake anyone here can make with me avoiding it part of the reason why I'm able to make a Warrior Cats set of all things and started acting like an authority dictating what is, and I quote, "intrinsic to the universe" while trying to tell anons that they were all wrong about established characters, and then went into actually schizophrenic shit like "Did you know Bloodborne is an MTG set somewhere? It's the other side of Innistrad's moon cycle mythos, but torn into my own personal subconscious nightmare of being eaten by a pig as a small girl when my spark was first awakening."

If you remember that I'll stand by it. It seems crazy but... Yeah if you don't want to do any research into it then you don't have to. They're bold claims and they'd take a long time to explain, and it's kind of at the heart of this "10 color" crusade in the first place for me...

*sigh*

>Acting high and mighty is a fool's game on here, since unless you have something that you're known for, every poster is as amateur or experienced as any other, and you quickly became "that guy that posts rants and calls you names if you tell him 6+ colors doesn't work."
I didn't call anyone a rude name and only posted in all-caps once, excitedly, until >>73858671 called me a retard and I took the gloves off.

>>73912548
>No, you definitely entered the thread sperging.
Define sperging then if my first two posts were aspergic in any manner, outside the mysterious... post submission when I wasn't done typing yet.

>Your 40k fan-theory based on a Portal: Second Age card is not related to custom magic you stupid nigger.
Until someone would post their own custom 40k cards, or I'd probably have just made a few Kroot cards by now. But instead I'm explaining events anyone could have just READ MORE CAREFULLY. AFTER A 24-HOUR BAN. FROM SOME 2016 NEWFRIEND RULE!

Just 'cause I'm PISSED, I'm not gonna let this drop: I made a scant THIRTEEN posts in the last thread as well, so how could I have derailed it?

These people triggered by the mere mention of purple derailed it with their crusade in the first place, I didn't give any fucks since this is an anonymous imageboard and I have no life or job and nothing to lose anyways and told the truth. Got laughed at more for it. I don't care, I've been SWATed and tased before for less.

Don't care. I'm gonna keep working on the mana symbols like I'm supposed to.

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Yes I thought mowu, loyal companion was the best card ever until I read it twice.

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>>73912675
>Show me one.
Gladly.
>>73853352
>>73855129
>>73856231
>>73858886
>>73859538

I think that's enough.

> It seems crazy but... Yeah if you don't want to do any research into it then you don't have to.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
This whole tangent about "Bloodborne is actually Innistrad," and "There are actually ten colors in the Magic multiverse" isn't a doomed idea in itself (at least anymore than any other custom set), unless you present your own idea as absolutely adhering to the game.

No, there are not ten colors in the multiverse.
No, Yawgmoth is not secretly a 40k character, and art easter eggs don't change that.
No, Bloodborne is not Innistrad.

You could have salvaged these ideas, but instead you tried to belittle people for criticizing your 10-color approach as redundant or called you out for trying to spam headcanons. Stop trying to be a revisionist anyone can see posts like >>73858366

>I didn't call anyone a rude name
>"Yeah: You're a cuck. Also you're prey to the ruinous powers."
>"You fucking new-walkers don't fucking know the multiverse's PRIMAL HISTORY."
And I'm not even going to scroll up for all the shit you flung in this thread, and char limit is a thing.

>And I only posted in all-caps once
>"A LOT MORE BLACK THAN YOU COULD POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND. BLOODBORNE OIL-DRINKING-VAMPIRES AND CREEPY WW-2 DOLLS FIGHTING IN GAS-CHOKED TRENCHES"
>"WHY LILIANNA IS PURPLE!?"
>"YOU DENY THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND AND GNOSTICISM IN FAVOUR OF HIS/OUR TULPAS LIKE HELIOS AND KRUPHIX!"
And that too is just from last thread.

And this whole "I didn't do anything until he called me a retard" isn't even true whenever that post is quoting one of yours where you told some dude that he doesn't know MtG.

>Until someone would post their own custom 40k cards
I know you're replying to that other guy, but this needs said.
It's not someone else's responsibility to make 40k cards for you. Spamming until someone posts an on-topic response is still spamming.

>>73912975
Could you cherry-pick any more? Don't stop reading the sentence until you hit the period. "I didn't call anyone a rude name and only posted in all-caps once, excitedly, until >>73858671 (Cross-thread) called me a retard and I took the gloves off." That's all one sentence. You will not find ANY meaning in my words unless you can understand this concept and not jump the gun after five words.

I didn't use foul language UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE DID.

HOLYFUCKINGSHIT. WHAT A MONSTER I AM.

>And that too is just from last thread.
THAT IS THE EXACT ALL-CAPS I AM REFERRING TO IN THE COMPLETE SENTENCE YOU ARE CURRENTLY BUTCHERING LIKE /TG/ HABITUALLY DOES.

>And this whole "I didn't do anything until he called me a retard" isn't even true whenever that post is quoting one of yours where you told some dude that he doesn't know MtG.
ACTUALLY IT IS IF ANY OF YOU WOULD READ ANYTHING YOU QUOTE INSTEAD OF SKIMMING AND CHERRY-PICKING EVERYTHING I SAY.

>I know you're replying to that other guy, but this needs said.
>It's not someone else's responsibility to make 40k cards for you. Spamming until someone posts an on-topic response is still spamming.
I NEVER SAID ANYONE HAD TO MAKE ANYTHING FOR ME. I MADE TWO DIFFERENT POSTS ON TWO DIFFERENT SUB-TOPICS. HOPING TO TALK ABOUT THEM. I GUESS I FUCKING DID THOUGH.

HOLY FUCK.

GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND WATCH OVER /TG/ Y'ALL ARE SPECIAL.

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>>73913360
I'm not even surprised this guy is into 40k

>>73909400
Your Mutate cards were good though.

>>73912470
Definitely a lot more balanced than your previous version.

>>73913360
Yeah, I'm not even going to touch that self-victimizing caps rage.

You were lead to water, horse.

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>>73912975
Cat-anon never fails to be based.

>>73915412
>can be used as worse fog
Hmmm, was it intended?

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>>73915541
hmm, you're right.
It wasn't, but I kinda like the idea of buttering up an enemy over drinks to get out of a jam.
That being said its the kind of thing that can easily be tweaked should it be found to be degenerate.
Good catch.

>>73880485
is pic related FIRE?

>>73915598
I'd change
>player or planeswalker

>>73914688
Looks dry as fuck to me.

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How do you guys get anything done in these threads with this many mouth-breathing opinionated retards who don't read other people's posts AT ALL and just smash that motherfucking reply button like a chimp?

>>73915598
Those activated abilities are broken without a mana cost on them. Tapping a creature to deal more than one damage isn't usually free. Especially not on a 4-drop uncommon 2/3.

>>73918926
Shit, son. you got the 'tism.

>>73912936
That could be lowered to a rare with that restrictive of a casting cost on a 2/2 that needs support cards to function. Or trade some green cost for colorless.

>>73912470
You wouldn't need to point out "copies" of spells as those are also "cast" rules-wise. All copied spells are also "cast":

>706.12. An effect that instructs a player to cast a copy of an object (and not just copy a spell) follows the rules for casting spells, except that the copy is created in the same zone the object is in and then cast while another spell or ability is resolving. Casting a copy of an object follows steps 601.2a-h of rule 601, "Casting Spells," and then the copy becomes cast. Once cast, the copy is a spell on the stack, and just like any other spell it can resolve or be countered.


Second paragraph should be:

"Whenever you discard one or more instant or sorcery cards, choose one of those cards. You may copy the chosen card. That copy costs (2) less to cast."

I think. Maybe reminder text that Sorceries are still Sorcery speed?

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>>73919245
"Whenever you discard one or more instant or sorcery cards, you may choose one of those cards and copy and cast the chosen card. That copy costs (2) less to cast."
Better?

Also, since I'm schizoanon here and there's a post limit: I have page 4 from The Gathering Dark by Jeff Grubb vindicating me on how lands and mana fucking work in the lore. Pic related.

>>73904963
return to where? to the stack?
also if you have any auto-untapping the combo is gonna get crazy. in draft they might be fine at unc, but in constructed they're gonna be in every deck that can afford to run them because ramp is a strong thing to have.

>>73919621
I should have saved this for another post actually and just been "the schizo" and "the helper" instead of "the schizo helper" now.

But everyone who had beef with storms and trenches and cottages being basic lands can surely see now that with a "land" being a "memory of a land" how they can easily be. You focus on the memory of a storm, or a house you lived in, or a trench you worked or fought in, and draw energy from that to fuel your spells.

Then you can see how the color of this "basic, nameless trench" your character fought in for months or years effected their lives and memories and personality, and draw the Brown mana from their shitty experiences in it.

Then you can see how someone would draw pink warm mana from their "basic, nameless house or village".

Or how someone can draw stormy yellow mana from "that day I got caught in that FUCKING storm that followed me for a whole 6-HOUR MARCH!" and draw on just the pissy yellow experience of it to shock a bitch.

>>73919621
The choose part isn't necessary. You choose one as part of copying it.

>>73919817
the biggest problem is that "mountain", "island", "forest", "swamp" sound "basic". While "cave", "valley", "desert", "jungle", "coast", also sound like lands, "storm", "rift" do not.
Although.... "Rift" is good candidate if you want to have six-coloured set with purple being the main colour of some new wacky mechanic.

>>73919817
Shut the fuck up already you braindead sperg.

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>>73920026
You have to choose it or it would trigger off every discarded spell if a spell made you discard more than one at a time.

>//////

Here's my pitch for showing where Yellow and Blue are different resources but showing exactly where the fuck they overlap.

Purple isn't "Izzet", basically (in my mind), Yellow is.

>>73920264
>You have to choose it or it would trigger off every discarded spell if a spell made you discard more than one at a time.
No, you don't. That's what the "one or more" wording is for. It prevents multiple triggers.

>>73919621
Nobody was arguing with you about how tapping for mana works.
People were arguing with you for how basic lands form on a plane, and their differentiation between that and "lands" that produce mana that are man-made.

You're arguing with a strawman you schizophrenic dipshit.

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i wanted to make a constructive criticism of the purple cards posted ITT and i even typed it out, but then i read a bit further and found out that anonymous is an faggot, so i'll sum up my general thoughts with "this needs more fleshing out" and "why does this need to be it's own color?". if the same design philosophy applies to other colors of 10-color MTG then it's gonna suck real hard

in the meantime, have this. it started as a shitpost/worst fear of what's to come in Zendi's Car 3, and i think it's appropriate to post given the thread edition.

>>73920453
>and i think it's appropriate to post given the thread edition
I for on think it's fitting that "FIRE Edition" turned into a shitshow.

>>73881668
{R} (one mana) for a 1/3 with tokenbreathing
Now THIS is FIRE (and as always I mean that in a bad way of course).

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>>73920435
>Nobody was arguing with you about how tapping for mana works.
We sort of were at the same time, though. Since we're talking about mana-lore. It *seems* passive-aggressive to say it in this vague way, but it's actually part of the point I'm making. These concepts are connected. They are the same. The mechanics and the lore interlink in MtG.

>People were arguing with you for how basic lands form on a plane, and their differentiation between that and "lands" that produce mana that are man-made.
Yes, they were, but they wouldn't accept any of my evidence to their contrary. Such as Ravnica, being urbanized over millenia to a planar degree and still being rich in mana. Or Zendikar, which is at the end of it's life-cycle, breaking down and warping causing The Roil and attracting Eldrazi cleaners, and stapled together with ancient hedrons to stabilize and imprison said Eldrazi (who got out, probably for the better).

Why is everyone being so dogmatic in the fan-wank thread? I'd expect this if I brought this to a standard or EDH thread but these are custom cards and lore. Is there a lore thread I missed in the catalog that I should have taken the Kroot and Bloodborne discussion to and just kept the purple here? Or does that also go in here? Where does that go in /tg/ in 2020?

>>73920688
>Such as Ravnica, being urbanized over millenia to a planar degree and still being rich in mana.
The post you argued against explicitly said that planes like Ravnica were exceptions, since they were entirely cities.

Still strawmanning.

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>>73920453
Hi, I want FOUR OF THOSE.
IN EVERY DECk.

Here's Zendikar being a plane dying and breaking down, stapled together by hedrons in the pic-related. Probably would have been best to let the Eldrazi eat it.

"This is all wrong. I am incomplete, unfulfilled, inchoate. There should be blossoms, not barren resentment. The soil was not receptive. It is not my time. Not yet." -Emrakul in the form of Emeria, Eldritch Moon final chapter, "The Promised End"

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-story/promised-end-2016-07-27

>>73886509
{R} (1 mana) for Undercity Plague, Through the Breach, Sleep of the Dead, a Boomerang Edict (pretty cool concept actually), and an Entomb - Sorcery Edition, all at once
Holy fuck

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>>73920779
That's not what a strawman is. Calling me a schizo post #1 is a strawman *and* an ad hominem attack.

Anyways with that last Eldritch Moon quotation you can see how Emrakul is tied DIRECTLY to The Moon Presence from Bloodborne.

Maybe someone will be inspired by this lore and make custom cards?

How is this not contributing?

One entity is sealed in a moon as another is released. "Oh! A dying nightmare... full of blossoms..."

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Does this work?

>>73920843
>Maybe someone will be inspired by this lore and make custom cards?
I can safely say that nobody is, has been, or will be inspired by your raving, schizofag.

>>73920857
Maybe? How does it handle stuff that's already tapped?

>>73903559
>Based founding fathers protecting us from Jew York, Commiefornia, and ShitCongo deciding all the Presidents

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>>73920688
>plane that is a city has city lands
wao what a concept, exception proves that the rule doesnt exist at all
>sort-of
>vague
>point
there is no point unless it's concrete. you have nothing concrete, all your "points" are liquid "what-if"s and half-assing.
>why so dogmatic
because Richard Garfield's ideas are good, and all previous attempts at expanding on them probably failed for a reason. see also >>73880485
>>Q: Can there be a sixth color?
>A: http://pastebin.com/kNAgwj7i (short answer no, long answer not really, and here's why)
>kroot and bloodborne
this is a thread for custom cards, not for custom lore, so yeah you're better off finding the actual fan-wank thread or making your own thread if you cant find any. if i were you i'd give the idea a little bit more thonking and polish though.

>>73920919
As written, the permanent can untap just fine. I guess it could say tap or untap, but that would have to cost more.

>>73920857
you're forgetting effects like Clock of omens, that say "tap another thing" without using the tap symbol, in the reminder text. but yeah i can see how this would work, pretty cute design. it even lets things untap to suffer in eternal torment of not being able to get that ass tapped, i'm loving it!

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>>73920894
Your only response to these glaringly obvious inter-franchise lore connections (in the game about a MULTIverse) has been accusing me of schizophrenia with each and every post I make.

Should I point out more glaring 40k-MtG connections, such as Phyrexia being the "magic" face of the Adeptus Mechanicus? Look at the Phyrexian logo and the AdMech logo. Notice the hidden symmetry between them when I point it out in this image?

>>73920952
>wao what a concept, exception proves that the rule doesnt exist at all
Exceptions showcase a trend and the conditions where they don't apply.

>you have nothing concrete, all your "points" are liquid "what-if"s and half-assing.
That's pretty much your raving in a nutshell.

>this is a thread for custom cards, not for custom lore,
Yeah, so leave and take your "INNISTRAD IS LITERALLY BLOODBORnE" shit with you.

>>73921047
>Look at the Phyrexian logo and the AdMech logo. Notice the hidden symmetry between them when I point it out in this image?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi

>>73920952
>exception proves that the rule doesn't exist at all
Thank you for admitting that, now apply that same logic to your own arguments.

>there is no point unless it's concrete. you have nothing concrete, all your "points" are liquid "what-if"s and half-assing.
MtG is liquid what-ifs and half-assing. Is your blue image supposed to be ironic with a statement like that?

>because Richard Garfield's ideas are good, and all previous attempts at expanding on them probably failed for a reason.
I'm explaining some very old ideas the entire team that developed MtG had in the early 90s but never made print. Because they still hinted at them in the novels and other franchises they worked on. Remember how MaRo was a writer for Roseanne? Yeah. All those freelance writers and artists? Yeah. You are looking at a fraction of the whole picture, I hcan't *give* you a response *other* than "read the fucking card or shut the fuck up and talk to someone else".

>this is a thread for custom cards, not for custom lore, so yeah you're better off finding the actual fan-wank thread or making your own thread if you cant find any. if i were you i'd give the idea a little bit more thonking and polish though.
The lore wasn't custom, it's a real card from Portal and real quotes from MtG novels and web stories. What is your crusade, here?

>>73921047
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

>>73921179
>The term (German: Apophänie) was coined by psychiatrist Klaus Conrad in his 1958 publication on the beginning stages of schizophrenia.
Holy fuck

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>>73921051
>>73921172
>exceptions showcase a trend
do they? i thought the point of exceptions is to go against the trend, that's why they're the exception and not a rule. i guess they might showcase the opposite trend, but then by posting ravnika lands you're showcasing the trend of basic lands being natural

>your raving
>your "[lore wankery]" shit
>your arguments
my only other post in this thread was Remand, Corrupted by Fire. i dont know who you think you're talking to, but i'm not them. chill out, people.

>ideas that never made print
why did they never make print? answer: because the ideas suck ass, that's why.

>real card
accidental similarities happen, so what? are Gin Rummy and Mahjong the same game because they play similarly?
>real quotes
don't care, this is a cards thread, not a lore thread. now where are the fukken cards?

>>73920843
This is a cool parallel, and an interesting idea.

What this is NOT, is irrefutable proof of some kind of direct connection. These are two separate IPs made by two completely different teams of people working for two different companies.

What you're doing here is making cross-IP connections and theories - basically headcanon - and then talking about them as if they're irrefutable facts. They're not. They're just things you made up. And that's fine! There's some cool ideas in there. But you're talking about it in a way that really does make you sound a little delusional.

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>>73921226
That's amazing. Pic related.

>>73921254
I'm only >>73921172, not >>73921051.

>why did they never make print? answer: because the ideas suck ass, that's why.
They weren't polished enough at the time. That was 30 years ago.

>accidental similarities happen, so what? are Gin Rummy and Mahjong the same game because they play similarly?
Gin Rummy and Mahjong are more different than a Kroot with a rifle and meat and a Kroot with a rifle and meat.

Back to cardposting soon?

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>>73921661
>They weren't polished enough at the time. That was 30 years ago.
the take on them i see in this thread isn't polished either. this is right now.

>deep wood = kroot
yeah, and Alaborn Musketeer/Zealot, Vengeance, Trokin High Guard(all from the same set, portal second age) show there's guns in MTG, despite guns never appearing outside the set in any meaningful way

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>>73921758
Those are fan cards I posted as examples. I don't have access to what Wizards has in their archives, and if I did it would probably breach an NDA my parents signed 30 years ago.

I'm again mostly just here to work on mana symbols. Another topic related to custom cards.

I drew a lot more orange btw, and moved what I think they'll accept to the right column. Any opinions?

>>73921758
Yes but they're physiologically kroot. Green skin, beaks, quills for hair. Kroot.

>>73921836
"legal guardians" I should actually correct myself to say, they are not my parents.

>>73921758
>the take on them i see in this thread isn't polished either. this is right now.
They're never going to be more polished than the "30 years ago" versions because there's no such thing. Purple is the only additional color planned, the other four come from a fan revision of the pie.

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>>73921861
This is everything I've ever heard definitively about pink.Use it as a filter for all the fan-wank out there. Or don't, idgaf.

>>73920688
Specific planes are liberal with what does "mountain" or "island" mean, but in core sets, the baseline for MtG, they're all have been consistently plains, islands, swamps, mountains and forests. And those locations have certain "basicness" to them.
"rift", "trench", "storm" do not sound like basic lands.
City/Village can be argued as a source of magical energy because human(oid) settlements are part of every plane.

>>73920919
I think it's clear that the intention is "you can't perform keyword action of 'tap' on this permanent" instead of "this permanent can't have 'tapped' status" although the're worded the same.

>>73922186
>made for edh
never gonna make it

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Brown I grew up playing against in playtesting era and I FUCKING HATE BROWN HOLY SHIT NO WONDER YOU GUYS DON'T WANT THESE FUCK BROWN!

>>73922280
>although the're worded the same.
That in itself presents a huge problem since the two convey completely different meanings, but an average player wouldn't be able to figure out which of them it is. The difference between them lies in what happens when you play it on a creature that's enchanted by a sleep/stasis aura.

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>>73922420
I'm a greedy bitch who wants these cards from Wizards, I clarified this image some more.

I've never gone against Yellow or Orange and know NOTHING of them. I need help with orange's mana symbol still.

I went against a Purple deck ONCE, recently actually, but I was drunk and they cheated like crazy. I could not make an infographic like this for the other colors yet sadly.

>>73922384
Wait and see, it's a fun secondary color in a draft.