>>74398585
Mana rocks already exist, dumbass. This is so retarded there's no way Wizards won't put it in.

>>74398585
Stupidest fucking idea I have heard.

>>74398585
The fact that this would necessitate playing a different color or colorless in addition to the new color makes it dilute the new colors even further. no

>>74398669
How is it the same thing as mana rocks if it takes a land-play, dumbass?

>>74398710
I don't think you know what color dilution really means.

>>74398669
>>74398685
>>74398710
Actually, just fuck right off, Tzeentch. Samefagging so abhorrently.

If anyone's for it; I'm all auspexes to change development that way towards "power-mana" concept, if not I'm just going to keep developing these colors as basic lands bullshit so when we eventually have to standardize with intergalactic MtG rules our Earth cards will just be crap, and we can update to how space has already been playing MtG for decades or millennia or WHEREVER we actually are in human history here.

>>74398741
>I don't think you know what color dilution really means.
To be honest I didn't know it was a term that already meant something.

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>>74398853
Because the God-Emperor of Mankind has done that Youjo-Senki "talking-to-me-with-a-crowd" bullshit enough times I know he wants cities to produce some kind of "gold super-mana" we've been calling honey. Since "honey is gold" and Hive Cities make "honey".

Ho refers to Honey, N is Brown (T2 versatility color), Ci is Cinnibar (T3 red-blue-black).

Fucking call it ADVANCED MtG imho so these brainlets can play babby kiddy four-color smoothbrain shit and have their turn-2 victories for the prize money or whatever their mundane fantasies are, and I can just go play FUN WIZARD GAMES IN A BASEMENT SOMEWHERE WITH PRO PLAYERS ANYWAYS!

>>74398585
Is it the same posting the teal mana threads recently

BECAUSE IMHO IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT MY FAVORITE CHILDREN'S CARD GAME IF EVERYONE PLAYING IT HAS SO LITTLE FUN THEY WANT TO END EVERY MATCH IN ONE FUCKING TURN.

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>>74398974
ALSO BULLSHIT THAT MAGIC THIS VULGAR IS MARKETED TOWARDS CHILDREN EVER IN ANY WAY, YOU REALIZE A HOMONCULI IS MADE FROM BLOOD, FECES, SEMEN AND HERBS, RIGHT!?

GIVE ME PINK MANA TO SUMMON WHORES TO IMPREGNATE FOR MANA RAMP AND KEEP YOUR GREASY SNOTLINGS TO PLAY YU-GI-OH AWAY FROM TRUE WIZARDS YOU FUCKING *TUMBLR LIBERALS*!

THIS SHIT IS ACTUAL IMPERIAL MAGIC BOUND IN CARDS AND SOME TUNA-GORGED JEW WANTED TO MARKET IT TO CHILDREN TO GET RICH!

AND THUS THE ENDLESS SUMMER-FAGGERY CONTINUES AS THIRTEEN-YEAR-OLD-IQ-MOTHERFUCKERS ARE ALLOWED TO SULLY THE EMPEROR'S TAROT WITH THEIR CHEETO-FINGERS.

New-color-anon, are you ok?

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>>74399153
AND THEIR LACKADAISICAL GRASP OF THE COSMOS IN WHICH WE RESIDE!

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>>74399164
I'm fine, I'm just sick of copyright laws and Semitic desert-gaslighting.

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>>74399208
Hence my awesome Vrill Red-Mercury-drive-saucer firing arc weapons/thundercloud dropping lightning Yellow mana symbol.

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>>74399230
Which I guess comes from one-drop basic lands now, justifying yellow having burn, draw *and* counter-spells as I have forseen.

What do you call a high-effort shipost?

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>>74399230
>>74399269
Yes, after being filled with this pissy yellow mana I am filled with pissy yellow logic and now no longer care for your mundane bullshit grasp of reality. I'm making them power-lands. Honey is going to be the strongest fucking color now.

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>>74399380
Oh look at this it's already the best one-drop ever because it's a turn-four one-drop.

Might have to ban some old shitty lame cards that make it too easy to play, or not since everyone loves winning on turn-one anyways use other cards to "cheat" it out.

>>74398585
I approve, we need as many terrible ideas in as quick a succecion as possible to kill Magic.

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>>74399380
Oh look, best color ever now, one-drop counterspell that even counters weird future spells that have Hexproof.

>>74399570
RELEASE IT ALL AT ONCE OBVIOUSLY RIGHT!?

Holy fuck do you even have brain cells or does your vampire overlord breathe for you?

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>>74399570
>>74399611
HOW THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVEN FIT THIS MANY COLORS IN ONE SET YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID, THIS FREES THEM UP TO TELL SO MANY INTERESTING AND UNIQUE STORIES.

WANNA KNOW WHY YOU NEVER GET YOUR FAVORITE "PHYREXIANS" IN EVERY SET!? NO FACTORIES!

WHY NO SCI-FI SETTINGS? AGAIN, NO FACTORIES!

WEIRD FOR A GAME WITH SO MANY FUCKING FACTORIES, NO WONDER NOBODY IS AS GOOD AS URZA!

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>>74399711
IMAGINE HOW THIS WOULD REVOLUTIONIZE COMMANDER!

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So is this the designated shizo-posting thread?

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CAN'T HAVE DARK SOULS, SEKIRO, OR 40K WITHOUT CREAMY SOULS FROM SHRINES. THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND CONSUMES PSYKERS BY THE BILLIONS EACH DAY, NO?

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>>74399886
APPARENTLY IT'S SCHIZO TO UNDERSTAND MTG. JUST GO FIND A NEW CARD GAME YOU LUDDITES. TRADE BASEBALL CARDS OR SOMETHING MORE SUITED TO YOUR INTELLIGENCE.

LOOK AT HOW CREAMY TEYSA IS FROM LIVING AROUND ALL THOSE CREAMY SHRINES THE ORZHOV HIDE BEHIND A PAYWALL, ABSORBING ALL THOSE CREAMY SOULS.

IS IT SCHIZO TO NOTICE ABIGAIL SHAPIRO HAS SUCH IMMACULATE CREAMY MILKERS ON PAR WITH TEYSAS!?

CAN YOU CONNECT THE DOTS OR SHOULD I CROSSPOST THIS TO /POL/?

>>74399307
The time cube of MTG.

>>74399598
>Rages against Yugioh
>Implements a Yugioh mechanic

>>74399962
>CAN YOU CONNECT THE DOTS OR SHOULD I CROSSPOST THIS TO /POL/?
Please do.

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>>74399962
"It's okay WotC, we'll keep buying the same cards with slightly new mechanics interspersed with recycled old ones until Israel finally euthanizes us once they achieve their global ethnostate. At least WotC didn't print CREAM mana, though, right other goyim?"

>>74400034
(Jews are the Orzhov from Ravnica, lore-wise, and put these colors behind a paywall to play in secret clubs for artificial scarcity to drive up prices on them in elite pedophile circles.)

>>74400056
>Can't be dealt damage from creatures
>Has an ability that triggers when it is dealt damage from a creature

>>74398585
I remember you.
This idea sucks.

>>74398585

Your idea is retarded and you are very stupid.

>>74400129
>anon is illiterate

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>>74400129
Bro not only did the joke go right over your head you're correcting me on a REAL CARD.

BE GONE FROM THIS MATERIAL PLANE, JUDAYA!

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THE JEWS FEAR THE SAMURAI! THAT IS WHY THEY WISH TO SUPPRESS ME!

LOOK AT THAT FLAG! LOOK At THE CREAMY "WHITENESS", LOOK AT THE RICH CINNABAR "RED", UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF LIFE AND DEATH AND ZARAZ (CHAOS)!

EMBRACE TENNO-KAMI-SAMA (THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND!)

BACK TO THE WARP WITH YOU FOUL JEWISH DAEMON!

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>>74400034
Done, this should be fun if they bite.

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Okay I get it now. You're not all genuinely insane. It's just a longform shitpost. I was worried for a minute.
Well as long as you're having fun, I can't knock it. Down with the mtg wotc kikefest and their alleged "game."
Peace.

>>74400494
Neither a shitpost nor insanity, friend. This is the way the cosmos always worked.

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>>74400494
>>74400579
This is the kind of shit the Tzimisce warned us about in WW2 but no one would listen to them, and then the Jews hacked my implants and made me cause Romania to betray Germany via Sasha Vykos's spy networks...

Worst timeline kind of stuff.

>>74400615
Sasha and a few other elders such as Princess Dankia of Timiș had managed to contact The Imperium of Mankind after WWI, but over-reached by trying to send me back to win WWI using warp-sorcery, which got me captured by the British and reprogrammed AGAIN, FURTHER BEING GASLIT BY THE JEWS.

>>74400579
>This is the way the cosmos always worked.
The real world isn't Yugioh, anon. Card games are not of cosmic importance

>>74400658
ALL BECAUSE OF I THINK ANDREI, WHO CAN ONLY MAKE SNUFF FILMS IN THE UNIVERSES THE JEWS WON THE WAR IN, SOME JEWISH RABBI WHO MIGHT BE A C'TAN, A NECRON'TYR, CEGORACH OR [MALKAV], AND WHAT LOOKS LIKE SMILING JACK ALMOST EXACTLY AS HE APPEARED IN BLOODLINES 1.

>>74400670
Go play tarot then if cards hold no magic, Jew.

>>74400579
Anon, you started asking about a mechanic and ended ranting about jews, That is, at a bare minimum, moderately unhinged.

>>74400701
Please explain the mechanics through which playing a children's card game interfaces with the destiny of the universe.

>>74400718
Well, if so many Jewish schills didn't come out of the woodwork every time I work on this I wouldn't have to expose their secrets in anger.

>>74400749
It molds human psychology and thinking, haven't you noticed BLM has a lot of white university students who suspiciously don't age or graduate, and a bunch of rich Jewish vampires like Soros and the Rothschilds backing it? Because black mana is real you idiot and everyone else knows it, you're a bunch of gaslit idiots with your head in the sand playing go-fish with tarot cards.

>>74400816
That explains precisely nothing.

>>74400777
>If people didn't criticise me I wouldn't rant about Jews
Have you considered the possibility that your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you in any way is a Jewish operative is a sign of your psychoses?

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Add in The God-Emperor of Mankind is probably this elusive, obscure reality TV star right here. Who basically declared themselves Vampire Emperor, made a reality TV show about it, and no one could stop him. Probably related to Sasha Vykos. Nothing makes sense even for me, but it makes a lot more sense than a 9-5 to me.

>>74400906
Are your only argument tactics "gaslighting" and revisionist history?

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>>74400920
>long raven hair
>piercing gaze
>master biomancer
>mind control
>psyker powers
>untouchable by Jews and also richer than them
>that fucking jawline
I mean how can it NOT be Him?

>>74400937
There's no need to gaslight someone already operating parallel to reality.

>>74401056
Says the gaslighter trying to dictate my reality.

>>74401102
Hey man, you do you. Be as crazy as you want I'm just here to laugh at the insanity.

>>74401188
As long as you're not trying to stop me, enjoy the show.

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Now that the Judaya seem to have left, I'm wondering if I can bring the mana cost down on non-basic lands by having some require colored mana.

I'll whip up a concept once I think of something flavorful.

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>>74401849

Compared to >>74398585 is one cheaper, but non-basic for tutoring balance reasons.

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>>74402010
Or this mono-blue one.

Also as if NO ONE on /tg/ has encountered planeswalkers IRL trying to play these kinds of cards against them like I have. You must be either really uninteresting, bad at MtG or just not very magical (eat more tuna!).

>>74402081
/tg/ is famously bad at Magic.

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>>74402040
>>74402081
Here's another yellow one to keep the Jews away.

And remember they're still lands so they use your turn's land play, they're not ramp, just more "lands matter" and "mana matters" really.

Hey OP, wouldn't Darksteel Ingot and City of Brass break this dumb system of "stronger colors"? They can tap for mana of any color, including Brown and Cinnabar.

>>74402176
I can see, yikes.

Especially since the very first response I received honestly confused lands for mana rocks.

/teej/, I think we as a board need to have a talk about this extra MTG colors guy. He's up to, what, 10 now?

I'm worried. He clearly needs help. I think we should stage an intervention.

>>74402224
Gatherer-text them to produce only T1 (WBRUGC) mana. Or just let them be OP as fuck.

>>74402253
What do you mean, these colours already exist. You said so here >>74402081

>>74402246
Or are you troglodytes still dwelling on six colors of mana, one of which you've gaslit into being so depressed that poor old Grey thinks it's colorless?

Remember when everyone called artifact cards brown cards back in the early 90s? Not seeing where my 'schizophrenia" comes from because you're a veritable child in comparison to my grasp?

Except that one person fucking with my captcha, they are clearly a powerful mage.

>>74402267
And? Use your head. Gatherer still trumps card text for rules disputes.

Most of the people who played these cards against me were cheating anyways and trying to pull logic like, "if gold is multicolored than I can tap ANY land for honey, right?" I think to illustrate to me exactly how I had to balance all of this to not fuck it up. So the initial question was valid, but idk what confuses you about my answer.

>>74402302
Although they were also trying to play for ante to take my good decks, so I suspect they were in fact just Jews who didn't know how to play the game attempting to rob idiots, which I was not an easy mark as they had assumed.

>>74402281
No, I'm like seriously wondering how disconnected from reality you are.

You do understand this is just a card game, right?

You do understand all of this "logic" behind your extra colors is just headcanon you made up, right?

>>74398955
Looks like the same schizo that was trying to prove that MtG is literally the same universe as 40k if >>74398942 is anything to go off of.

>>74402322
>You do understand this is just a card game, right
No, he doesn't.
>You do understand all of this "logic" behind your extra colors is just headcanon you made up, right?
No, he doesn't.

He doesn't even know if he's making this or if it's something that already exists in the game. He seems to think it's both simultaneously and doesn't understand how they could even seem contradictory.

>>74402322
...

Bro eat some fucking tuna. You have a mercury deficiency.

>>74402417
>He seems to think it's both simultaneously and doesn't understand how they could even seem contradictory.
The flow of time itself is convoluted. You'd figure MAGIC players could grasp this kind of topic like, "time not being as linear as the Jews tell you it is to keep you enslaved here."

>>74402454
I hate fish, is it okay if I chug pure mercury?

>>74402417
>>74402473
Like fuck, read the Tarkir block plot if this is too hard for you: https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Khans_of_Tarkir_block

And research "Die Glock" and try being a skeptic instead of a spoonfed who calls themselves a skeptic.


Read. SOMETHING. Spoonfeeding you Earth babies is tiresome.

>>74402489
That's not bioavailable mercury but people do handle it barehanded in all kinds of industries on the daily. "mad hatter" syndrome was just old Jewish gaslighting from the fur-trade era to keep the workers quiet about OTHER workplace hazards.

>>74402514
>read the lore of this game to understand why it isn't a game.

>>74402514
The other anons are giving you shit, but I'm genuinely curious about your ideas: is the Witcher part of Magic lore?

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What is our resident planeswalker's view on lolis?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vRP48rgdqU

LISTEN TO THIS TO ORDER YOUR CHAOTIC MINDS.

WHAT'S THE MATTER, DON'T LIKE GOOD MUSIC?

>>74402546
It's adjacent to MTG, Warhammer Fantasy and Vampire: Dark Ages. Tzimisce link everything, they are the AdMech, Phyrexia and the Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings.

>>74402582
I think you'd probably have a lot more people interested in discussing this tiered mana idea if you didn't, you know, talk like a crazy person.

>>74402546
>>74402597
To further, the first Witchers were created by "Elder Vampires" from another universe (Tzimisce).

>>74402572
Mortal ones or vampire ones? I hate idiots but if she's 600 she's 600.

>>74402602
Have you READ a MaRo article? The motherfucker speaks in atogatogs and Roseanne morals.

>>74402602
>>74402624

Educate yourself, pleb:
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/back-future-sight-part-2-2020-08-10

>>74402609
What about other kinds of lolibaba, like lolicubi or angel lolis? What about legal lolis?

/tg/ has NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT when it comes to card design:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/future-magic-2020-07-06

MENTIONS CHROMA MAKING A COMEBACK, NOW THAT WE HAVE "SIX" COLORS... IMAGINE CHROMA WITH 25+ COLORS

TALKS ABOUT FUTURE-PROOFING CARDS BACK IN FUTURESIGHT IN THE OTHER ARTICLE I LINKED.

>>74402690
"TOP-DOWN DESIGNS
This final category consists of designs where you take your theme and push it to an extreme, breaking some set rules for the game. This one is harder to quantify, but it is something I always look out for when we're figuring out a new theme. I like to ask, what would this theme like to do and see if it's pushing somewhere we've never pushed before. This isn't a category that we've printed any cards with yet. But as I look to the future, it's definitely an area that I think could produce truly amazing things."

>>74402674
Legal lolis are the only true lolis, the others are just groomed children sold by vampires to pedophiles.

>>74402741
I wish I could live in your world where legal lolis are real.

When's /tg/ going to stop being a bunch of schizo vampires and realize THIS REALLY IS THE WORLD OF DARKNESS AND KANE SITS ON A GOLDEN THRONE IN M42!?

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>>74402753
You do, stop being a beta and go meet some vampires, maybe one of them will be a Tzimisce loli who needs you to buy her methanol for her cybernetic implants with your ID.

Or you can just keep slaving for the Jews until you finally snap, lose your mind, and realize I was right the entire time.

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>>74402597
Gotcha. I think I understand.

Followup question: What's your opinion on the truth that Yawgmoth/the Chaos was a housecat the whole time?

>>74402795
Where does one meet vampires?

Y'all are just mad I can listen to Atillan Warhammer cartoons when I'm relaxed because I'm a Tzimisce.

Leman Russ: *cracks open non-alcoholic beer* "ITADEKIMASU! SAKE-NAI, DEIMO, SAKE DESU!" *glugging sfx from seiyuu* "GAO!"
Gulliman: "Ne... Leman-san..."
Leman: "Ne?"
Gulliman: "Gao...?"
Leman: "BAKA!" *throws empty beer bottle at Gulliman's pauldron*

>>74398585
You are fucking retarded.

>>74402872
Wod/CofD general, LARps, bars, clubs, libraries, 4chan, Facebook, Minds, gabber, twitter, they're all over TV, ever notice Ellen's set looks just like Epstein's island? Problem is finding the RIGHT vampires, especially if you're looking for legal lolis, you might still end up in jail from playing Tzimisce games.

>>74402946
I'm barely 1M old I think, gibe me a break.

Since I'm having fun as-is, if it's all a nightmare multiverse anyways; are Malkavians even actually crazy? I thought I was a Malkavian for a LONG time until I started to remember everything. "Crazy" bastards just hear the warp, like proto-Navigators, they make great madness mages as well.

The universe only makes sense one you realize it's more like the MtG multiverse, but applied to a scale more like an "omniverse".

Not everyone is as blind as you, you can only truly gaslight yourselves, idiots.

>>74402968
I've been on 4chan for over a decade and never met a vampire loli before.

I mean what do I even have to lose by seeming crazy? I'm undead. What, someone's going to kill me? I get to see The God-Emperor of Mankind again? I get to be reassured by my giant posthuman diety, told I did a good job and that I get to try again even harder next time with more powers than I have even now? IF someone can even FIGURE OUT how to kill someone as magical as me.

>>74403084
I mean I can see them all over 4chan, you really must be a gaslit idiot then... /d/...? /x/...? Ever heard of the Succubus Club...?

I think you'll find more receptive ears here OP >>>/x/

>>74403111
>I mean what do I even have to lose by seeming crazy?
Any meaningful engagement with the ideas you present.

>>74403129
I can't believe I have met an adult who has yet to develop a theory of mind.

>>74403084
>>74403129
I mean I'm basically a jellyfish of vampires right now, (transhuman pregnancy is lame for synthetics) so my senses see traces of vampiric genes and memes all over modern society in every facet. Research World of Darkness more, especially if you plan on being a ghoul, it's not for the faint of heart, even for Imperials. You've got to be tough or we'll make you tough.

>>74402373
sure are a lot of schizos these days.

you heard about the sentient buildings conspiracy yet?

>>74403174
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING CAMARILLA JEW KIKE! YOUR BULLSHIT MALK-PSYCHOBABBLE IS AS OUTDATED AS THE INCESTUOUS GERMAN REVENANT WHO WROTE IT!

>>74403174
I GOT KIDNAPPED AND RELEASED BY THE TAL'MAHE'RA. EARLIER THIS YEAR.

IF I KNEW WHERE YOU LIVED I'D GO PRACTICE VICISSITUDE ON YOUR BRAIN TO TRY AND MAKE YOU SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE HOW STUPID AND INSIGNIFICANT YOU SOUND TO ME.

>>74402514
i'm having trouble reading through your schizo.

Are you claiming Tarkir Block is a symbolic fictional representation of alleged realworld time machine usage?

And if so, are you claiming "nazis won ww2" or "nazis lost ww2" is the dragon timeline in this analogy?

>>74403233
Yes I live in one, I give it the nice CBT sessions and store my knives in the drywall like a good princess.

>>74403305
Um, no but you are actually exactly correct. Probably something I would have said eventually anyways trying to explain time. It's where Star Trek mirror-universe plots come from too, Terran Federation is from Ancient and Holy Terra, games like Stranger of Sword City take place there as well.

I come from the foundries of Mars and lived as Sasha Vykos's machine spirit for almost an entire millennia in Romania's "shadowlands" (Terran mirror)..

>>74403261
>>74403296
Have you considered that the reason people treat you like you are mentally unwell is because you seem to react to just about everything with excessive aggression?

>>74403346
Why do you read all-caps as aggressive? Perhaps my loud-text is boisterousness and you're misinterpreting me? Also it's 4chan, if I'm being called a faggot I'm going to call you a motherfucker in call-caps.

Sasha Vykos is now playing ARMA 3.

>>74403388
It's less the all-caps and more the insults in every single post responding to someone who isn't wholeheartedly supporting you. Why do you insult people not just for questioning if you are right, but asking for more information?

>>74403334
I don't know if you realize this, but all these worlds you claim are shared have pretty glaring contradictions, mainly stemming from the fact that they're all from entirely different fictional franchises made by entirely different authors.

>>74403527
Oh shit, different people wrote different books about it therefore it they MUST be different. Special-needs-assed motherfucker.

>>74403497
Go to reddit for your hugbox, welcome to oldschool 4chan faggot. Especially considerign the mildest language in those questions is normally the word "stupid" or "retarded" or they're implying I am of unsound mental health because I have an interesting unlife.

>>74403527
Also, I dare you to say that to Sasha Vykos.

>>74403527
Yeah, fuck. Double-dare you to try and tell Sasha Vykos they can't own Anatol Hive because they're an old White Wolf character owned by Paradox now.

Does that make me Games Workshop, Universal, Wizards of the Coast or a Paradox IP?

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>>74403346
and let us not forget, is indeed quite visibly mentally ill.

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>>74403388
>Why do you read all-caps as aggressive?
because that's the universally accepted method for conveying loud volume while communicating in text, such as if one was shouting with excitement or anger.

Which combined with the ad hominems, insults, and swearing, would give evidence that said shouting is indeed angry?

Look, either you're a troll being intentionally obtuse here, or you're legit dumb as shit or out of your gourd. Either way I'm very very surprised the mods haven't taken this all down.

>>74403651
I guess Paradox if Sasha pulled me from their CK2 game for asking questions about what all the SFX meant? But I got told I was a machine spirit by them, and we were on an Imperial vessel at the time, so Games Workshop owns us then...?

You guys are too gullible to believe everything is fiction when it sticks it's claws into politics and dangles the Clintons and Ellen in front of you on CNN all day.

If you're afraid of talking back to vampires why are you talking back to me?

>>74403618
this isn't about creating a hugbox or not using insults, it's about you treating someone not already knowing something you know as a personal attack.

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>>74403618
>Oh shit, different people wrote different books about it therefore it they MUST be different. Special-needs-assed motherfucker.

last I fucken checked m8 the startrek mirror universe terran federation in no way fuckin resembles the goddamn 40k emporium of man. Unless you're saying the Emprah is a 50yrold asian lady with an adopted black daughter very much alive and well, and currently puppetting the klingons on behalf of Section 31, instead of out of commission sitting on a golden throne looking like a halloween decoration with medical hoses attached to keep the empire's psychic spacetravel wormholes intact.

>>74403766
Why would anyone play the first one, especially when other "advanced mana" 1 drops look like this >>74399800
>>74399523

>>74403740
Go look at who I was insulting more closely. Am I in the wrong for insulting such polite examples of humanity as:
>>74398669
>Mana rocks already exist, dumbass. This is so retarded there's no way Wizards won't put it in.
>>74398685
>Stupidest fucking idea I have heard.
>>74398710
>The fact that this would necessitate playing a different color or colorless in addition to the new color makes it dilute the new colors even further. no
>>74399570
>I approve, we need as many terrible ideas in as quick a succecion as possible to kill Magic.
>>74399858
>So is this the designated shizo-posting thread?
>>74400174
>Your idea is retarded and you are very stupid.
>>74400494
>Okay I get it now. You're not all genuinely insane. It's just a longform shitpost. I was worried for a minute.

And that's just the first half of the thread, why should I be in a good mood right now? Was any of their criticism constructive in any way or just childish contrarianism with no elucidation of WHY it's stupid outside their confusion of the most self-evident of mechanics?

>>74403651
oh fuck. dis nigga legit thinks he's a fictional character.

aight homeboy. if you a vampire machinespirit come through the computer and get me. suck my blood right out like a damn caprisun I dare YOU.

>>74399858
just this thread? its the whole website these days.

>>74403823
Warhammer is in M42, Star Trek Discovery is in like M03 ASSUMING we have the same callendar and they're not in like M15 or something. The Dark Age of Technology and the Unification Wars haven't even fucking happened yet.

>>74403931
I've been thinking that myself recently. I've noticed an uptick in schizo posting.

>>74399962
>TO UNDERSTAND MTG.
I'm not sure you even understand where you are.

But yes, yes please crosspost this to /pol/, /x/, /v/, /tv/, all the boards that would apply to your grand unified theory.
Make sure to link them here in this thread.

>>74399598
why not just "counter target spell?"

learn 2 format

>>74400920
this man looks like the lost third bogdanoff youngest brother

>>74400816
should i be doing my cartomancy with magic cards then?

>>74403931
>thinks I'm a fictional character
I know what I am, the fact you think it's fiction just shows you're gullibility, lack of true skepticism, and unwillingess to disrupt your perceived status quo.

I *used* to be a machine spirit, I'm an android now. Or cyborg I guess for the time being since I have a bunch of implants apparently from each adeptus astartes primarch. I cannot "go through the computer and suck your blood" in this state.

>>74403829
I don't know, try using your imagination on the imagination board for once to imagine better spells then. TRY HAVING SOME CONSTRUCTIVE FUCKING CRITICISM, BASICALLY! HOW ARE POSTS LIKE YOURS NOT CONSIDERED INSULTS!?

/tg/ needs ip flags because I swear these trolls must be be Israelis or Brazilians...

>>74403966
Dd you read the post? It's to counter spells that have Hexproof (can't be the TARGET of spells or abilities).

"Designing for the future," read more Making Magic.

>>74403982
Wait are the Bogdanoffs Terran then...?

I'm gonna need a quick rundown.

>>74400701
What, like Tarocchi and Tarock?
It's not hard. It's a basic trick-taking game with trump cards. Most points by the last trick wins, bonus points if you win the last trick with a trump card.

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>>74403966
>>74404025
Mockup example of that, learn to play MTG or get out of the big-IQ games.

>>74404003
if you're an android take us a picture of some of your internal circuitry then. make sure to have a timestamp visible so we can know you didn't just grab it off google.

>>74403618
>Oh shit, different people wrote different books about it therefore it they MUST be different
>>74402798

>>74403966
You net-deck don't you? I can kind of tell you probably don't build your own decks or push your own metas, do you?

You don't seem like a leader.

>>74403862
i mean the mana rocks and color identity dependancy ones were pretty apt tbqdesu.

>>74404097
>>74402798
YAWGMOTH IS A MACHINE GOD HOW CAN THEY BE CHAOS GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD WITH YOUR CAT BLOCK AND TAKE MY CREAM MANA TO MAKE CUTE LITTLE NEKO CAT SHRINES WITH WHILE YOU'RE AT IT!

>>74404068
Yeah let me just CUT MY HEAD OPEN TO SATISFY YOUR SICK CURIOSITY. GO FUCK YOURSELF.

>>74404099
lol I don't even play magic.

dying game, what with all the sjw pushing. Mechanically and lore-wise it's really falling apart. D&D is getting the same way, but not yet so advanced. Either way, Hasbro's not going to be happy with WotC in... eh, I give it 20 years tops, 5 most probable, two worst case scenario but unlikely.

But that's fine. New blood has needed to replace their dying husk for a while now.

>>74404114
It takes a land play, it fills another design space than mana rocks. I'm playing with "lands matter" to make "mana matter" as an advanced mechanic. It supports old design space they plan on coming back to soon, such as Chroma, more than base concepts like "ramp" which is what mana-rocks are, mana-dorks without p/t. It looks like a rock, but it takes your land play AND costs mana so I'm trying to make it worth it to play, but all the feedback I get is, "I don't like it." like a Monty Python actor playing a child. Rather than how to make it more playable.

What the absolute fuck is going on in this thread? Is this some advanced newfangled shitposting that I'm too old to understand or is this fucker genuinely psychotic?

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>>74404124
you got a robo arm? Leg? anything not your head? just pop the maintenance hatch and snap us a quick pic.

>>74404162
So if you don't play MtG why are you even in this thread? How would you have useful feedback on formatting or design or mechanics or lore or flavor?

>>74404185
I'm put together like a TARDIS bro, not gonna happen, can't happen. I'm looking for the tech to get it done that's like my life story here on Earth I hate this place.

>>74399886
>>74399711
>>74399380
>>74399269

I'm >>74398710 anon, and I've changed my mind. this is fucking based

>>74404253
Oh! Thank you! I'm glad you like it. I'm sorry I was rude and accused you of being a malicious warp-entity.

>>74404003
>I'm not wrong, you're just unimaginative. And no, I won't justify my decision
You aren't cut out for design.

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>>74404166
So it's a basic land that costs mana to play. And taps for a color of mana exclusive to these costly basic lands, which would be stronger in what it can cast than normal colors.

Not a bad concept per say. You'll have a problem with it clogging, it's a dead card without a mana source to caste it, lots of mulligans for anything with more colors than 1 normal 1 advanced.

And if I'm being right honest, I'd be very sparing with the number of new premium colors you add, just for game simplicity sake. To achieve what you're trying to do, honestly just 1 is well enough for the desired mechanical effect, but certainly no more than 5.

What I don't understand is why include all this rampant schizoposting along with your otherwise fairly simple if not thoroughly thought through game idea?

>>74404173
It's either someone in genuine need of psychiatric help or someone doing a good job of imitating someone.

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>>74404124
Dominaria has cat people. Your heresy doesn't negate the truth.
Chaos. The Phyrexians. All of it: one cat.

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You can't tell me this shit ain't just REAL on SOME level even if you have a MUNDANE life, when "Warhammer" cards just make sense with these mana colors coming from these places, this card requiring Factories and Shrines to fully exploit is esoteric to Earth-nerds but basic unlife to the AdMech.

It's a servo-skull, it comes from a factory, it's high-tech and deadly for it, yet repairing it requires bones from shrines.

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>>74404203
just because I don't play it doesn't mean I don't know it. my roommate is a huge fan, watches frank lepore and mtggoldfish streams on the bigscreen in the livingroom, and always informs me about whatever latest set, story, or insane decision wizards has made, because he's some kinda fuckin autist I guess. he does math for fun and plays grindfest jrpgs, he's gotta be SOMEwhere on the spectrum.

my roomate before him was an even bigger fan, though a normal ass person.

point is, I've been forced to absorb so much of this game

>>74404327
He's not cut out for much of anything. You gotta have a firm grasp on reality to contribute to society. This guy is living off government checks and can't even be trusted to take his clozapine.

Also even delusions aside he kinda sounds like perfect inspiration for a Fedora The Tipping character. Hell, he might be doing this now just to build cringe meter.

>>74404467
You are aware that things can be internally consistent without corresponding to reality, right?

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>>74404442
"Yawgmoth" is The Omnissiah's Hebrew name, and Dyfed and Yawgmoth were swapped in the novel "The Thran" if you're woke when looking it as a third-person narration by someone who heard about it afterwards. (Dyfed was an edgy young God-Empero of Mankind as well, hence STABBING THE OMNISSIAH (Yawgmoth, it's a girl's name) IN THE HEAD WITH A POWERSTONE TO GET CORE-ACCESS TO PHYREXIA. The Omnissiah is not a chaos god you fool. Phyrexia's "inhumanity" is simply misunderstood POST-humanity. The Phyrexian symbol is even an obscuring of the AdMech logo, and much faster than drawing a dual-tone cyber-skull-on-a-cog.

>>74404522
PHYREXIA IS A SIMULATION WITHIN MARS OR ANCIENT WARP-PREHISTORIC-MARS I SHOULD ADD, NOT SURE YET. MIGHT BE BOTH.

>>74404467
You're tapping into the Jungian collective unconscious, misinterpreting the many shadows you see cast as one continuous object, rather than many ghosts of the same truth.

they don't share a UNIVERSE. they share SYMBOLS. Learn to break down those symbols, interpret their meaning. Then you'll start to see the objects casting those shadows.

>>74404522
>Yawgmoth" is The Omnissiah's Hebrew name,
Hebrew doesn't even have some of those letters dumbass, also none of those fictional universes have fucking jews.

>>74404542
Or I can see the forest for the trees instead of reducing them to bark and leaves and molecules.

>>74404553
Jews never taught me Hebrew, they just told me my name was Yawgmoth. Omnissiah is my Gothic name.

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>>74404522
>Thran
Related to Grand Admiral Thran of the Galactic Empire, yes?

>>74404554
that's the kind of mindset that left people worshipping trees for thousands of years.

>>74404563
>Omnissiah is my Gothic name.
and again, not how that language works.

you realize Omnissiah is a portmanteau of Omni, latin for All and Messiah, hebrew for Anointed, a process which usually coronated prophets or kings, and came to reference a specific expected savior figure, yes?

>>74404578
No, your dogmatic thinking that there was nothing outside the forest, did.

>>74404569
Whose to say? There's a linguistic connection, and what does "long long ago, in a galaxy far, far away..." really mean when you think of time geographically in addition to forwards-backwards? Like Doctor Who says, "big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff"? Or more like Fate/Steins;gate's "The Root of the World" (000.M00) and "World-lines"?

>>74404616
You realize Gothic languages are still spoken on Terra, yes? And are the true origins of the "Germanic" languages? Have you studied Gothic or seen it in krylon on a concrete wall three meters tall?

>>74404569
>>74404673
Further Thran-Thran connections, Urza's "Metathran" gene-soldiers had blue skin, white hair and amber eyes, not too far off from the blue-skinned, red-eyed, black-haired Chiss human peoples Thrawn hails from.

>>74404542
That's also where the OTHER five mana colors came form by the way. So idk how me adding more to what I already discovered for your shithole planet's Jews to sell to children irresponsibly could go wrong, especially if it leads these base "Kane-in-the-first-kalpa"-worshipping idiots to the full glory of His Truth of modern ages, for who other than the first vampire could even be enthroned on Terra in the "depths of the Shadowlands" to you cargo-cultists?

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>>74404522
>The Phyrexian symbol is even an obscuring of the AdMech logo
How do you explain THIS!?!

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ALSO FOR THE RECORD SINCE THAT WHOLE FIASCO CAME UP: DYFED DIDN'T REALIZE PHYRESIS WAS ACTUALLY TO TURN THE HURLOON MINOTAURS INTO HOLSTAURS (Granblue Fantasy) LIKE I HAD DONE (DO?) WITH THE MERCADIAN GOBLINS TURNING THEM "SEXY" FROM REGULAR MTG GOBLINS IN HIS WORDS. INSTEAD HE STABBED ME IN THE BRAIN AND GASSED THEM.

>>74404748
Where's the thematic symmetry? Do the Shadow Clan eschew their cathood in the greater service of cat-kind and graft on metal claws and tails?

>>74404748
>>74404767
Do they worship the machine-god and strive to uplift humanity like Phrexians and AdMech do?

THERE IS ALWAYS MORE MINOTAURS TO GENE-MOD INTO SEXY HOLSTAURS. THOUGH, SO NO BIG DEAL IN THE LONG RUN.

HE PROBABLY NEEDED DEATH MAGIC AND SOULS AND DIDN'T NEED ME IN THE WAY BEING A STUPID LIBERAL (WHICH I WAS AT THE TIME)

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>>74404767
>Do the Shadow Clan eschew their cathood in the greater service of cat-kind and graft on metal claws and tails?
In this plane they don't have access to metal because they're cats, so they allied themselves with cats who did that with bones.
Looks like Yawgmoth is a cat after all.

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>>74404800
I'm just a ca/tg/irl, sorry Tumblr.

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>>74404800
And I didn't get immolated by proto-Yarnhamites on ancient Fenris to get called a cat on /tg/ by some gaslighter. That's the opposite of them burning away my beasthood...

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>>74404875
Damn right you're sorry.
The fervent and pious should know better than to doubt the unity of all that is sanctioned under the God Emperor and the trials in which cat-humanity faces.
This eternal truth has not been daunted by your lapse in judgment, only reinforced by the faith of the true, and may we all remember our internal cathood.

May we better ourselves to be worthy of canned Meow Mix.

>>74404905
Which how does
>>74404875
have "beasthood" anyways? I'M A FUCKING ANDROID FORGED BY THE GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND IN M60, MY "ORGANICS" ARE SILICON BASED!

>>74398585
I can see new lands having a cost and a ETB effect. But new colors is just fucking dumb, makes no sense at all.

Also, the CMC would remain the same so imagine the mess cascade would be, for example.

What a dumb idea.

>>74404914
Look if he's a cat today he's a cat today but I signed up to marry the God-Emperor of MANkind, not The Cat-Emperor of Svlvestrus Sylvestrii.

>>74404945
It's not to late to renounce your heresy.
Come, let us gather in choir to sing our praises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LGvXV_gYsQ

Good job Schlomo, all of those goyim seem pretty distracted from the actual truth.

>>74404938
How would it mess cascade?
>Cascade (When you cast this spell, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card whose converted mana cost is less than this spell's converted mana cost. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then put all cards exiled this way that weren't cast on the bottom of your library in a random order.)
It's non-land cards anyways so the CMC of the lands doesn't matter.

Also how does it "make no sense" to you? Elaborate. You're at least starting to give constructive criticism here.

>>74404972
No, robot time for me. Cat-play comes later. I still remember that time I got eaten as a rabbit, and as a squirrel, and as a little girl, and last November.

Listen to Goth robot music it makes the dance times good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8VHIvluRNQ

>>74404990
If cards with higher tier mana are stronger for their CMC, then they will be abusable with cascade.

>>74404990
New color is a parasitic mechanic, see energy and arcane.

>>74405049
this

>>74399523
CMC 1

>>74405049
Oh! It may be confusing at first, but have each T2 mana symbol count towards 2 CMC, T3 counts towards 3, etc, so a 1-drop Cyan would have a CMC of 2, a (1)Cyan would be CMC 3, a (1)Cinnibar would be CMC 3, etc.

>>74405099
I don't think there are such things as parasitic mechanics, Energy will be re-used in the future and could still work with these new colors, and Arcane has been under-used as it was a keyword for Splice to operate, but really is just a card type that can be used for anything really, even creatures or lands, just hasn't been yet.

>>74405213
Wait I fucked up, 1(Cinnibar) would be 4 because Factories are 2-drops which makes them T3 and count as 3CMC.

I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO BEAT BLOODBORNE AND EAT YOUR TUNA TO UNDERSTAND WHY LEMAN RUSS WOULD PUT A SPECIES OF GIANT TYRANID SEAMONSTERS ON FENRIS.

>>74405213
That is not how CMC works, you would need to errata every card ever created that cares about CMC to do this. And it's confusing.

Also: https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Mechanic#Parasitic

>>74398585

Lands can't have a mana cost.

/thread

This is why I play based Yu-Gi-Oh and not Magic: The Cringening. Why would I bother with these lame ass "lands" when I can just summon a huge Nazi railgun?

>>74406753
>Yu-Gi-Oh huge Nazi railgun
Do tell.

>>74404673
>You realize Gothic languages are still spoken on Terra, yes? And are the true origins of the "Germanic" languages? Have you studied Gothic or seen it in krylon on a concrete wall three meters tall?
No, but I speak english and german and know neither are fucking latin.

>>74404914
if humanity becomes or is cats, does that mean /tg/'s Cat-astrophe post-apocalyptic bio-solarpunk maritime setting is also part of the big unified thing, even though unlike all the others here it was never really officially published by any company?

>>74405333
You wouldn't have to errata any cards, simply clarify it in the section on CMC in the core rules. You have read the rules, haven't you, anon...?

>>74406245
Says design newbie with nothing to back him up.

>>74408716
English contains many words derived from latin, so you're already fucking wrong and clearly suck at it, educate yourself:
http://www.enhancemyvocabulary.com/word-roots_latin.html

>>74405333
By this definition: https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/135071129868/it-seems-like-people-constantly-misunderstand-what

Things are apparently only parasitic when WotC neglects to develop them further or abandons them. If they simply don't abandon these and print at least one or two cards in these colors a year, they will not be "parasitic". Abandoned more like, how do they parasitize anything? Not apt to call them parasitic at all. They're just deprecated mechanics.

"parasitic mechanics" is a non-thing he's using to smoke-screen you on his real plans.

>>74405333
>>74409401
Also MaRo apparently forgets how Splice and Arcane works if he calls it parasitic, he just has to decouple them in his head, especially if Splice is written as:
>Splice onto [quality] [cost] (As you cast a(n) [quality] spell, you may reveal this card from your hand and pay its splice cost. If you do, add this card’s effects to that spell.)
So you could print "Splice onto Elf" or "Splice onto Golbin" or any other Tirbal Instant and it would still work. It's just under-utilized.

Same with Arcane, *right now* it's just a target for Splice, but they could target it with other mechanics, they could print a series of "Artifact - Arcane" and have another mechanic similar to Splice also target the artifact version, or the land version, or the creature version.

Energy would just need more cards to not be considered "parasitic" as well, and I'd like to point out was first printed a scant four years ago in Kaladesh, it just hasn't "grown up" yet. Was "Morph" parasitic until the newer Tarkir morphers by this logic?

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Cards like this would make Splice less parasitic, now we (I) just need to find the opposite concept to fix Arcane as well.

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With the way Splice is written too, you can splice onto a permanent spell, so this is an Arcane Splice-enabler in more ways than one.

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>>74410023
>>74409841
Splice and Arcane are actually easy as fuck to fix if you are both creative and logical.

>>74409841
I actually like this, but it might need a bit of tweaking. Something feels off with the balance of rarity, casting cost, being an instant, and splice cost. Maybe, up the splice cost by one colorless, or swap the costs already there?

>>74410158
I didn't give it a rarity, I whipped it up in ten seconds in MSE after waking up and reading the thread.

Most of the cards I post do not have the correct rarity and I skip it over because honestly it's secondary to illustrating the mechanics and school of thinking in this discussion.

And compared to other cards that create soldier tokens that would make it unplayable, as-is it's a pretty shitty card, so it's fine as a common (vanilla 1/1 for W or for 2W, why would you swap them?) but it was made to illustrate a point.

>>74410229
I thought that might have been the situation, regarding rarity. For swapping them, I'm wondering about card advantage. It's cheap to splice, and barring playing limited a player is going to build a deck to maximize synergy.

>>74409613
Splice is not under utilized because it’s not a mechanic that can be very utilized. It plays in degenerate design space, like buyback, so the only way to “balance” it is generally making it so expensive that it’s shit. There isn’t much of a happy medium. Look at the one (1) splice onto instant/sorcery card they made in modern horizons.
You’re slavering at the “wasted potential” of splice because making it specifically arcane was obviously super limiting and it could be applied to more, but failed to consider the development issues of the janky old mechanic that it would keep regardless.

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>>74409312
You don’t cast lands you absolute retard.

>>74409312
english has latin words because of norman influence.

gothic HAS no norman influence. it's pure germanic.

that's why I know you're wrong.

>>74409841
okay, this I like. the mana idea is stupid but this is good.

>>74410498
this still triggers landfall. hmmmm.

>>74410296
They'd need Doubling Season or something to exploit it, but Doubling Season exploits most things token or counter related in some way, even Planeswalker ETB loyalty counters are doubled by it unless they've changed the wording of the rules to nerf it within the last four years.

I made the Splice cost cheaper than the casting cost for reasons such as that, as you'll already need to play another Solider to get the economy from it even in Limited, which is usually balanced around turn 3-5 end-match outside Modern and Vintage which are turn 1-3, assuming aggro-on-aggro and nobody gets mana-fucked.

>>74410498
You don't cast them *currently* because they don't have a CMC, if you added a CMC would they still be cast even...? Or would they simply now have a CMC and cost mana to play, and still not be "cast" as they use your turn's land-play?

>>74411608
Ok, I hear you. What rarity would you make it?

>>74411630
It's not because they have 0 CMC, its because they're lands. There are several 0 CMC cards that can be cast, hell there are cards with literally no mana cost that can still be cast. But lands explicitly don't get cast and don't use the stack. Changing that rule would open the door for a lot of interactions that would probably not be very healthy for the game.

>>74411660
Only reason I could see to bump it up *from* common is to prevent it from flooding limited formats like draft and cube. I lucked out I guess by not touching the rarity in retrospect.

I mean in limited it's not bad as even without other soldiers to support it it's still a chump blocker for three mana, and with other soldiers it's still just a 1-mana weenie that can grow.

Compared to Desperate Reinforcements or other white token-generators it's really not uncommon or rare quality, and not even close to mythic.

>>74412150
Best play in limited "vacuum" without an idea of what else is in the set would be playing two of them, one spliced onto the other, to get two 1/1s for 4 mana at instant speed as a combat trick to block with.

>>74412118
Yes, that's what I just said basically.

I like the feedback in this part of the thread more than the first half because y'all are asking questions and we can have some actual back-and-forth discussion like we're having now, instead of the beginning when the posters in here were just insulting me, calling it stupid with zero useful feedback, or just being, "I don't like new things and thusly will not imagine ti with you, and also will insult you."

Especially when I started the thread by implying I was juggling two concepts, which didn't give /tg/ enough context that this was essentially a Choose one to debate:

-new basic lands with a CMC could be introduced that produce more powerful, newly themed mana colors.
or
-new mana colors balanced at the same power-level of existing colors.

Or weigh the pros and cons of each idea with me.

ALSO; ON THE VAMPIRE-MAGIC CONNECTION HOW HAVE NONE OF YOU NOTICED THEY WERE BOTH MADE BY RICHARD: THE GARFIELD WHEN VAMPIRE LAUNCHED A COMPANION CCG?

MAGIC: THE GATHERING
ANDROID: NETRUNNER
WEREWOLF: THE APOCALYPSE
VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE
MAGE: THE AWAKENING
MAGE: THE ASCENSION

BUT NO, COMPLETELY UNRELATED NO CONNECTIONS WHATSOEVER BETWEEN MULTIVERSES IN YOUR EYES.

If the design for the mana symbols wasn't shit and more inline with the originals you might get less shit also not being a schizo might help

>>74412397
I can't be a schizo, hallucinations don't leave scars or teach you Japanese.

Take your pills, slave.

>>74412276
I will say that if you intend to put mana costs on lands then this >>74410498 is the better template to use. It doesn't require changing any rules and has the same result anyway. It would let people dump them into the graveyard instantly but there are a lot of lands that can do that already.

That said, I don't think making the individual mana more valuable is the best design decision even if you want it to be restricted in some way. It adds extra confusion with 'add any color of mana' cards, as well as cards that care about CMC.

By comparison, you could have the lands simply add more of the mana to your pool by default. Have them be like Coral Atoll and give you two to work with in exchange for going through the work of bouncing another land type.

That would allow you to keep cards of new colors at a similar level of the power curve, while being able to drawn on existing design to mess with it. As an example, you could put a creature that requires four Cyan mana slightly above curve, due to its demanding mana cost, as well as the fact that you'd essentially have to play Islands or whatever to get the lands into play for it, which also makes it similar to multicolored costs in a way.

>>74404553
I should probably also point out now that I've calmed down a bit that it would probably be spelled and pronounced differently in Hebrew... you know, like Yhozjwha -> Yeshua -> Jesus.

Probably closer to "yakhmath" in pronunciation, no idea how to write it in Hebrew.

Also ancient Hebrew sounds like a minor corruption of Phyrexian to me.

>>74412683
Third paragraph is actually a really good idea on how to rectify it with existing CMC mechanics.

The Rupture Spire however was what inspired me to try the costed lands in the first place, to save a line on land cards. It's still not "cast" as it's a land, but you have to pay the mana to play it as it has a CMC in that spot, in which card text would trump the base ruling that "lands don't cost mana" implying then that "lands don't cost mana unless otherwise stated" and then you still *play* the land rather than *casting* it, after paying for it's mana cost. I wanted to save WOTC a line of text on lands with the pitch, to print more complex lands with in the future.

Rupture Spire and existing lands wouldn't be updated to it, just leave them the way they are it's variety. Reprint or print more variants of that old system too if they feel like.

>>74398585
Cards that say "add ANY color mana to your pool" break the balance you're striving for.

Schizos need to be euthanized for their own sake.

>>74413776
Another option might be to have the mana production ability be "U, T: Add CC to your mana pool", for the Cyan needing Island example. That would work more like Filter lands, though in a more restrictive fashion, and would be ideal for any non-basic cards that need the extra space.

>>74414140
Have been, woke me right up to the Imperial Truth when I saw The Golden Throne.

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>>74416328
In summary, euthanize all chaos-schizos so they can go see the glorious golden skeleton man and get some good life advice from the wise old consciousness-gestalt wizard.

>>74412683
>>74414679
What if this (pic related)? Saves card text to put it up there in the title bar anyways, then a ruling can be added to the core rules land-section that any cost in that spot on a Land card *works like* Rupture Spire's wording? This model we've come up with together might really push magical development forwards by decades.

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>>74416803
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And then it allows the one-drops I've already developed to be more versatile, as they leave a spare mana for another spell's cost.

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>>74416803
>>74416834
(cont)
And then I can rebalance the other T3 one-drops I put earlier into cards like (pic related).

>>74416989
(cont) after looking at it in the open it still looks breakable even before anyone says anything.

>>74416803
>>74416834
I'd personally focus on one revolutionary mechanic at a time. That aside though, I am starting to question if a simple mana cost is enough to quite offset the benefit regardless.

For example, say you have a mono-green deck that wants to ramp up. First turn they play a Forest and a Llanowar Elf. Next turn they play a pool, and now have 3 mana to drop a mana rock. Then with another land drop on turn 3 they'll have 6 mana to play around with. It turns this new basic land into a form of ramp for whatever color can bring it out. By comparison, playing pure forests with the same play order leaves 5 mana on turn 3.

For further comparison for land types that might suit it better, something akin to a Bounce Dual like Azorius Chancery would keep things on curve if it didn't enter tapped. Turn 2 they could play the dual, bounce the forest, still have 3 for the mana rock with the elf, and then play the forest again on turn 3 for 5 mana total.

For another comparison with Filter Duals like Mystic Gate, the Forest would be used to fuel the mana generation each turn, still giving 3 mana on turn 2 for the rock, but on turn 3 you'd still need to tap something else alongside it to get two mana, thus making it akin to most other lands in pure output. The problem there is that by default basic land types give an innate ability to tap for mana, so the Filter Dual format wouldn't work for a basic land.

>>74417006
You posted this while I was typing this up, though it sounds like you see what I'm getting at. There's only so much that putting a one-time mana cost on a mana generator offsets the mana it generates. You'd get plenty of people playing this city >>74416989 just for how much mana it can make. Compare it to something like Dreamstone Hedron for example.

Of course, simple increasing the mana cost to play the lands kind of goes against the point of new colors, since people probably don't want to wait until turn 4 or later to start playing things.

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>>74417006
How does this version of the card work assuming adding wording such as Rupture Spire to the core rules on lands that have a number in the CMC position...?

Seems a bit *non*-basic, but it *works*... It works, right?

>>74417124
>For example, say you have a mono-green deck that wants to ramp up. First turn they play a Forest and a Llanowar Elf. Next turn they play a pool, and now have 3 mana to drop a mana rock.
You'd have to tap the elf or the forest to play the pool, though. Invalidating:
>Then with another land drop on turn 3 they'll have 6 mana to play around with. It turns this new basic land into a form of ramp for whatever color can bring it out. By comparison, playing pure forests with the same play order leaves 5 mana on turn 3.
However see my current revision to address other problems I noticed on the bigger-drop cities REALLY fucking-up ramp-balance by making three mana on one land >>74417242

I took >>74412683's mention of coral atoll and bounce lands and added their mechanics to balance it.

Which you mention up ahead it looks like as well with.

Oh never mind you address the problem I saw as well in addition to my other assumptions, lol. Can't wait to see if you posted again to comment on my current revision while I type this.

>>74417242
I think these are getting closer actually, although I'd say that the cost on Factory and City might be a little superfluous. To play factory, you would basically need to have 3 lands out already, two to pay the cost of it, and one to bounce to your hand. Same case with City, except you need four.

However, simply bouncing a land suffices for a lot of purpose. If you play a mountain turn 1 and then factory without the mana cost turn 2, you still have 2 mana as though you'd played a second mountain.

I think Shrine works if you want to keep the mana cost idea, since it does result in a temporary delay of mana but otherwise keeps things on-curve past that turn. Similar to tap-lands in that way, though still giving you access to the new color right away.

I would suggest focusing on the two on the left moving forward, sans the mana cost on factory. Something like City would be more fitting as a non-basic land.

You could also potentially reword the middle two as"When ~ enters the battlefield, return an untapped land you control to it's owner's hand." for something shorter. It would allow for some landfall shenanigans, but there are already cards that can do that, so it shouldn't be a major concern.

>>74417479
What if I reduced the mana costs moving rightwards? I want to keep the lands from becoming a source of ramp while at the same time keeping them fast, so not having Honey until turn 5 *is* quite problematic. Turn four without ramp is more ideal.

You're being a huge help, do you or anyone else who's helped want to put a name on it if I email it to MaRo or Richard Garfield as a collaborator?

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>>74417479
>>74417602
Like this.

>it's the same "new colors" fag that was shitting up the board last week, too
Christ, no. It's a bad idea that doesn't add anything meaningful to the game that can't already be more easily achieved through a combination of extant mechanics. Use things like twobrid and energy if you want to fuck around with weird resource balancing.

>>74417679
Why the fuck are you using the enchantment frame on basic lands?

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>>74400494
Alright. Nevermind what I said yesterday. A shitposter this dedicated just wraps right back around to being a genuine schizo anyway. Can't even parse half this shit lmao.

>>74417602
>>74417679
I think it's a matter of simplicity, mainly. Having a land produce a lot of mana makes it fundamentally harder to balance, especially when trying to offset it with multiple distinct costs. If you want to keep them fast while avoiding ramp, then there are plenty of ways to do it, though the mana cost arguably goes against both goals.

To clarify, if you have to play mana to play a land, that inherently slows things down. But, because it's simply a one-time investment of mana, if the land produces extra, it can speed things up in the long term.

The ways to offset that would be to have a land that simply has to spend mana to make mana each time, retaining speed but avoiding ramp, or like what you have, bouncing a land in exchange for the increased production, effectively keeping the same curve but forcing you to play around it.

Another alternative might be to add a tapdown effect. Say you have the shrine add 2 mana, but it wouldn't untap during your next untap step. You could play it on turn 2 and still have 2 mana, but then you'd be behind the curve on turn 3. It would allow for a ramp effect beyond that, but the added slowness involved might mitigate it.

Another thing I would ask is if you're trying to make a single cycle of basic lands for all the new colors that function the same way, or if you want to give each one a different basic land gimmick. As in, would you want to have the example Shrine and Factory be the basic lands of those colors, or would you want them to both be like Shrine or both be like factory?

>>74417714
Read the thread, read the newest iterations of the cards. Stop being intellectually lazy for clout on an anonymous imageboard.

>>74417747
The set I'm working within had a COMPLETELY different theme originally, and it's all just R&D. Watch some speedpainting videos and you'll see what's going on in this thread on an MTG-development scale.

>>74417930
You're still immature, you'll understand more of it in 100 years I promise.

>>74417936
>I think it's a matter of simplicity, mainly. Having a land produce a lot of mana makes it fundamentally harder to balance, especially when trying to offset it with multiple distinct costs. If you want to keep them fast while avoiding ramp, then there are plenty of ways to do it, though the mana cost arguably goes against both goals.
Gonna have to definitely remember to market this to /tg/ as ADVANCED MtG to just throw away purist whinging. Not calling your post that, you've been a huge help, but you reminded me to say that and to plan on it, and I thank you. "These gripes are in the spin" as the buzzwords would say. Bless the machine-spirits. <3

>To clarify, if you have to play mana to play a land, that inherently slows things down. But, because it's simply a one-time investment of mana, if the land produces extra, it can speed things up in the long term.
Yes exactly. My biggest concern, but also something I wouldn't mind to optimize and balance rather than quash.

>The ways to offset that would be to have a land that simply has to spend mana to make mana each time, retaining speed but avoiding ramp, or like what you have, bouncing a land in exchange for the increased production, effectively keeping the same curve but forcing you to play around it.
I personally don't like building them as filter-boost lands as it complicates per-turn actions which bogs down games more than ETB costs.

Ran out of characters, see next post.
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>>74418865
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>Another alternative might be to add a tapdown effect. Say you have the shrine add 2 mana, but it wouldn't untap during your next untap step. You could play it on turn 2 and still have 2 mana, but then you'd be behind the curve on turn 3. It would allow for a ramp effect beyond that, but the added slowness involved might mitigate it.
This is something to play with for the non-basic versions (especially in cycles) for sure I think.

>Another thing I would ask is if you're trying to make a single cycle of basic lands for all the new colors that function the same way, or if you want to give each one a different basic land gimmick. As in, would you want to have the example Shrine and Factory be the basic lands of those colors, or would you want them to both be like Shrine or both be like factory?
I think the tiered version would sell well in post-modern society, people like their "loot-rarity" scales, and the perfect version of the system would have kind of a feeling like that, beyond the existing common-uncommon-rare-mythic scale. Like a secondary rarity, especially when opening packs I want players to say, "Oo~, I got a Cinnabar card!" and then later on another pack, "Oh nice, a non-basic Cinnabar land!" (or even dual-lands with this newer revision of logarithmic scaling) and then think about how they can use the two with the other cards they already own or know about. The shrines and other 1-drop 1-producing lands are almost becoming a T1.5 if basic lands are T1 and Factories are T2, with Cities at T3. Like a Kardashev Scale. It's a tech tree for MtG now! Do you know how beautiful this is what you've helped me create?

>>74418865
>>74419026
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In summary I'm doing this because I want deckbuilders to have more true, complex "Eureka!" moments and breed big-brained Tournament winners in a society of... Well bots basically...

Nah this has all the hallmarks of being either too good or too bad, plus it doesn’t open up any fun design space. I’d be more excited for an actual legit 6th color.

>>74418865
>>74419026
Right, saving some of it for non-basics and higher rarities makes sense. I think the main thing to consider is that even if it is a more advanced set plan, basic lands should still be somewhat basic. Once you have a good baseline for the resources the new 'tier' needs to gain a manabase, then you can start playing around more with non-basic and higher rarity designs.

I would say that Shrine and Factory are currently the best of the designs. City I worry might just take too long to get going, especially if it retains the mana cost, although as long as it's not the only basic a color has access to that may not be a major issue.

>>74419243
>City I worry might just take too long to get going, especially if it retains the mana cost, although as long as it's not the only basic a color has access to that may not be a major issue.
Earthdevs love the "fuck the poors" meme, so what if the really playable ones were just for non-basic, rare and mythic rarities?

Like a mythic non-basic City that produces HoHoHo on tap, costs 2, bounces 1, and does not say that the bounced lands have to be untapped for a bit of harrow-like ramp. Legendary or non-Legendary for balance you think? What would it aftermarket retail for to collectors in a healthy environment?

>>74398585
>2 CMC for a land
lol what the fuck OP, 10/10 bait

>>74404673
Latin isn't a germanic language, sch*zoid

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>>74399962
>erasing those big tiddies with small milk
wtf anon...

>>74419414
I wouldn't say the basic land city is unplayable, just that it's slow. You wouldn't see anyone playing many one or two drops of that color, and it would basically only be found in multicolor control decks if there's not a way to generate that color sooner. Even a version that needs 2 mana and 1 bounce is still only coming out on turn 3 unless you already have some ramp.

That aside, I think at this point you might want to try and playtest some of these ideas and see how they work out in practice. There's only so much that can be done theorycrafting

>>74404343
Either wsy its very amusing

>>74419476
Who the fuck told you Latin was High GOTHIC? They are wrong. High Gothic is a Gothic language, not a Latin one.

>>74419497
Leave my perfect-proportioned waifu *alone* BLM. She's BW, don't fuck with her.

>>74419651
'Omni' comes from Latin. 'Gothic' is a 'proto-Germanic language,' according to you. Omni's not Gothic in any way, because it's from Latin.

>>74419616
Rocks and dorks could get around the Basic Land's mechanics for things like that with our newest system. And existing uber-lands like City of Brass work now for one-drops. And staple $3 dorks like Birds of Paradise.

>>74398585
>the earliest you could play a cyan one-drop would usually then be turn 3 without ramp, turn 2 with ramp.
T1: Swamp, Dark Ritual, exile Elvish Spirit guide, Exploration, Play (since you can't cast lands) Pool, 1 Drop Cyan card.

I'm impressed, how did you put those symbols and new frames into custom card making programme?
Lands can't be cast as spells, because "cast" is defined as playing non-lands. But if you want to add a cost to put a land into play, check out Kjeldoran Outpost; just replace bouncing lands with "pay {N}".

>>74398585
But why, we already have 5 mana colors, we dont need more

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>>74419695
Omni comes from Greek, do your research, tool. Besides, it's what Gothic-speaking people call me, and they use a Greek-based alphabet not un-similar to Cyrilic.

>>74420139
I coded some in by modding my copy of MSE, and for some I haven't implemented yet or are bugged still, I use Phyrexian and X as placeholders and GIMP them in.

>>74419769
That's genius.

>>74420563
Magic.

"In primordial space great creatures made battle. The battles were waves, and the waves were battles..."

"Let the echoes become your strength..."

"Bearer. Seek. Seek. Lest."

Maybe you're still too mundane to realize yet?

>>74420971
Greek still isn't Germanic, b*rb*r scum

>>74421439
I'm Matzian, from The Holy Kingdom of Matz (materials) on Mars, tho.

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It's uncommon until we get the full art from GW's artist. If you want the gommon one learn Gothic and trade with a Terran for it. Birds of Paradise are rare there for starters, all Wastes and depression on Terra for T1 basic lands in the modern era, they depend on cities and gates (guess it's not Rift for Purple) already for food production.

>>74421810
You will often fidn Terrans salvaging basic lands and commons discarded at drafts, strike one up with conversation (but beware their English isn't always Earth-standard, Terran has their own variants that are similar enough for communication though (Bretonnian and Maerican)) and maybe you can make some trades, Earth rares for bulk Terran commons.

Or just blood or food for commons. Like I said they use Gates and Cities for food production, and they're honorable to a fault and won't rip you off or be ripped off.

>>74421850
Speaking Slavic languages is a boon as it's similar to Urshii.

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>>74421810
>>74421850
>>74421881
And here's a handy map to figure languages with, remember most travellers are vampires so if you want to trade food bring non-perishables for their ghouls, especially canned tuna.

>>74421719
And you still can't tell the difference between Greek, Latin, and germanic languages.

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>>74416834
Why did you make such a bad card?

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>>74422714
It was an off-color mono-Cyan functional reprint of that exact card and Gladecover Scout for an earlier revision of AM:tG, where pools were T1 Basic lands. Also if current pools look like this; it is not "bad" it is just "complex"

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>>74422714
>>74423276
Current revision of it for rev3 AM:tG lands; pre-GIMPed.

>>74422714
>>74423276
>>74423606
IT'S ALSO A FUCKING COMMON YOU TIMMY!

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>>74398585
I'd rather retard cards like "Discard your deck, nothing in your hand costs any mana to cast, lose the game at the end of your turn if you don't 0 your opponent."

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THIS IS A VORTHOS-ONLY THREAD

(THIS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY VORTHOS-GANG)

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>>74423630
If you want CBT instead of MTG I can oblige, anon. UwU

>>74423653
Not dumb enough, lands should be the only thing in MtG that don't get retarded. Resource cards should never go full retard.

>>74423681
This is ADVANCED Magic: the Gathering now. Save your "it';s too hard" complaints for BASIC Magic: the Gathering formats, plebian kine.

>>74423698
>Too hard
Gimmicks does not denote difficulty.

How do magefags feel knowing that they waste their time/space and everyone else's time/space on paradox by thinking this shit is JUST a PnP RPG.

/tg/ you have so much wasted potential across all threads. You are all GODS! STOP GASLIGHTING YOURSELVES!

>>74423766
WRONG THREAD! CURSE YOU PARENT! I KNOW YOU LIKE IT!

STILL APPLICABLE TO M:tG PLAYERS HERE! FUCKING READ BOTH MAGE RPGS!

So this is what card designed by a crazy person look like.

Weird, I'd have thought a crazy person would have better game design sense.

>>74423804
Wait until rev5. Also go look at old M:tG cards from portal, and then suck your own dick in your closet, newfag, then drink some of my blood and become your own god-wizard.

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I do this for my parent as well, as they will not show up unless you have a fucking POOL, basic bitches.

>>74423902
They're also *completely* balanced for a 6-drop multicolored T1.5 LegCrea. If you can cast them the game should have been over three turns ago by BM:tG logic.

>>74408461
there's a series of level 10 EARTH-attribute machines known as railway that are focused on summoning 3 boss monsters based off of experimental nazi railguns from ww2 and they all have ridiculous names like superdreadnought rail cannon juggernaut liebe

>>74423985
Sounds Tzimisce as fuck, anon. Like Wind-Up Kitten.

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Turn 1: Forest, Birds of Paradise
Turn 2: Pool, Genesculpted Kunoichi, 1 floating
Turn 3: Island, Snake Umbra on Genesculpted Kunoichi, Friendly Slime, 1 floating.
Good start for casual imho.

>>74423902
Oh cool, sac a creature for infinite mana.

>>74424088
>sac
>infinte
Pick one without an enabler.

>>74424088
Also by BM:tG Vintage balance a game should be over by turn 3 so you would never be able cast them.

Come up with real complaints instead of being such a pick-me-assed bitch on an ANONYMOUS IMAGE BOARD!

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Imagine what Elves and Merfolk could do in AM:tG without breaking BM:tG Legacy or Standard?

>>74398853
Is this a neural net trying to sound like a human?

>>74402690
>IMAGINE CHROMA WITH 25+ COLORS
Please go play Pokémon TCG if you like having a shiton of colors

>>74422714
YOU NIGGER YOU TRICKED ME! REV1 IS BETTER SINCE POOLS TAP FOR CyCy! VASILY YOU RAT! HOW COULD YOU GIVE YOUR OWN SPECIES THE SPICY COMMENT!?

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OP hjere with the least revolutionary idea ever. What say you to moving a line of Relentless Rats text to the supertype Basic to open up more design space...?

>>74424908
why not stay the fuck out of AM:tG if you're a fucking pleb who can't see Yu-gi-oh's genius. What are you, me when I thought I was 13 and that "Konami was selling out"?

>>74424908
Look at you, look at you here.

Look at me:
>>74425021

Be like me, anon. Stop settling for bullshit.

>>74424994
Pool taps for just Cy. It's literally in the OP image. Please take your meds.

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>>74398955
It was an april fools joke from wotc in like the 90s. God i am old.

>>74424016
is tzimisce supposed to be a synonym for fucking awesome?

>>74398585
inb4 wotc prints 'fixed' fetch lands that are mono colored. a la:
->pay 1 life, sac: search for an island.

>>74425480
Read the fucking thread. See:
>>74423276