>>74404212
>stimulants are ubiquitous
>dystopia
fuck that give me the stims

>>74404212
>the ruling class are objectively and significantly superior to the poor due to DNA editing and mechanical augmentation.

>>74405020
Feudalism ho!

>>74405020
>bioengireed diseases are regularly released into population to cull lower classes of undesirable traits
>DNA editing and augmentation are among such traits targeted by bioweapons
>commoners who can't afford expensive treatment pay for their hubris with their lives

Rolled 54 (1d100)

>>74404212
Neversleep pills remove the need for sleep. Standard work days have become 16 hours long. 4% of the population are unable to take the pills or receive no benefit for doing so.

>>74405097
>Standard work days have become 16 hours long
should add for the same relative pay as a standard work day of today, of course

Pollution has not only not been undone, but actively encouraged, because the elites of society have bioengineered themselves and their favorite species of flora and fauna to be all but immune to any form of heavy metal or chemical waste poisoning, with the hope that all classes and species deemed inferior will die out.

Regular treatmet for heavy metal and chemial waste poisoning are expensive, and absolutely necessary, taking up the majority of a wageslave's paycheck.

Additionally, paychecks are given in a currency which is only accepted by whichever corporation you work for, which cannot be exchanged for any other form of currency legally, restricting where you can travel to only where your corporation reigns.

>>74404212
The joke is that this is real, right?

>>74405329
I mean coffee counts as a stimulant, right? So I guess it's true but, eh

>>74405616
Well its certainly true in some countries with the rate of use of depressants.
Recently had my employer say I should start using sleeping pills if I'm having that much trouble dealing with the constant swing shifts.
Which I'm moderately sure is illegal for him to try and demand.

>Police does not exist and corporations kill public figures by accusing them of rape and waiting for the inevitable lynch mob

>>74404212
>Terrorism has become a niche counterculture with its own corporate merchandise and argumentative sub-fandoms

>>74404212
>Children are born out of the anus instead of the vagina.

>>74407559
>the insult shithead carries exceptional weight

>>74405107
Nah, the upper class uses a different currency than the lower ones. Exchanging lower currency for the higher one, legally, is (almost) impossible.

>>74408375
That's a really good one

>>74407404
we're like 2 years away from a nuISIS fancam

>>74404212
anon, why are you describing today?

>>74405329
It's an exaggeration but not much of one

>>74407404
We call that Antifa, BLM and the KKK. The last ine has the most personality.

>>74408375
How would that even work? I could see retarded inflation and price controls as a method to limit the lower classes from gaining major luxury items. eg.
>A loaf of bread costs $2
>A yacht costs $20 trillion
>Average pleb earns $2 an hour
>Average plutocrat earns $200 billion an hour

>>74412430
>Calling a group with zero deaths terrorists
Cope harder Antifa/BLM posers but you're still not a real terrorist group.

>>74405097
I read Power Nap too.

>>74418084
dang, you're the first other person who has

>>74418137
I think it was 8 years ago that someone included it on a list of recommended webcomics on /co/. I started reading about a dozen of them, but Power Nap and The Man of Many Shades are the only two I remember.

>>74405318
>Additionally, paychecks are given in a currency which is only accepted by whichever corporation you work for, which cannot be exchanged for any other form of currency legally, restricting where you can travel to only where your corporation reigns.

They used to call them Pit Pennies, paid to miners for use in the company general store. Live in a company house. What a life we thought we"d left behind. Not for long anyway.

>>74408375
>>74413592
Neptune’s Brood by Charles Stross had some related ideas. It was technically legal to transition between the two currencies, just taxed highly enough to make it impractical.

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>>74404212
>Vicious overbred dogs are handed out like candy, kill at least one kid a day and are defended by purplehaired fuckwads.

>>74418300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_scrip

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These feels are getting too intense.

>>74405329
Thr joke is we pretty much already live in a cyberpunk dystopia, and probably will be solidly in one in the next ten years unless something changed.
Except we'll just have the dystopia without most of the cyberpunk.

>>74417643
You do know blm/antifa have killed 30+ in just the last couple months, right?

>>74419564
We got the megacorps and government, but not the cool cybernetics. And most likely, we never will, our leaders don't want us to be strong or smart since that'd make us a greater threat to them.

>>74419564
shitty but true, hope i'm wrong

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>>74419648
>implying our grandchildren won't have all the cybernetics "they" want

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>>74404212
just go read A Scanner Darkly by Phllip K Dick, and come back with better ideas

>>74404212
>cultural memory has shrunk to whatever happened in the last five years - all classical knowledge is rotting away in archives

In order to rent an apartment, own property, hold a job, or buy goods, you habe to have a corporate contract. Some highly skilled individuals get Closed Contracts, where employee and employer sit down and discuss the terms and conditions, before coming to an agreement.

You are not a highly skilled individual, and offers of such contracts get rarer by the year. Instead, you have what's called an Open Contract - your given an otherwise blank sheet with a place to sign at the bottom. The company you sign on to - in most cases, whichever company owns the town you live in - will then decide what role you will take on, and what will be expected of you, which can be changed at any time.

Contracts can also be sold to the highest bidder, at any time. Many wageslaves who fuck up on their contract are sold to do menial slave labor, or to prostitution rings.

To not have a contract is to become an outlaw in the traditional sense - totally outside the protection of the law, with the majority of their actions being criminalized.

> 5th ANNIVERSARY OF LAST ISS CREW

> MACY'S PARADE DRAWS HUNDREDS, MAY FEATURE BALLOONS AGAIN "SOON, BUT NOT NEXT YEAR"

> JOE ARPAIO ELECTED, NEW DUKE OF ARIZONA PROMISES STRICTER INDENTURE LAWS

> HEAVY WINDS DELAY AID CONVOY. SEAMEN WITH KNOWLEDGE OF SAIL RIGGING STILL AT A PREMIUM

> MIT GOES ONLINE-ONLY, BEGINS SHORTWAVE OUTREACH PROGRAM

> $1, $5 BILLS NO LONGER ACCEPTED FOR REDENOMINATION: GOVERNMENT RECOMMENDS REUSE AS WALLPAPER

> TURN IN YOUR COPPER WIRING FOR A TAX VOUCHER! LAST YEAR BEFORE INDIVIDUAL TURN-IN MANDATE!

>COCKROACHES PASS CRICKETS AS MOST CONSUMED MEAT

>MIDWEST COAST PREPARES FOR ACIDIC TSUNAMI SEASON

>OLDEST LIVING SENATOR (AGE 72) RECALLS FIRST CAFETERIA ZOO
>says "I miss tiger bone soup the most, especially when Google was serving."

>CHINESE NEWBORN WITH 61% BODY SYMMETRY, OFFICIALS HOPEFUL

>LIBRARIES DECLARED FUEL RESOURCE

>LAST SEED VAULT FOUND IN INDIA, INTERIOR "LIKE A BONFIRE"

Real meat is hard to find these days, for much the same reason as it used to be - the production of meat has a high opportunity cost when conpared to other food products, making it extremely expensive, especially after pollution has rendered most arable land useless. For this reason, only the elites of society eat meat with any regularity.

The only meat you'll be eating is insect meat - harvested in giant warehouses, usually made into simple protein bars. Otherwise, you'll be eating genetically altered grains, grown in large hydroponic farms - arable land is at a premium, and this is cheaper.

Occasionally, when food becomes more scarce, or some people decide they want to know what meat really tastes like, they'll form gangs, armed with whatever weapons they can find, and walk around the streets, hunting anything with a pulse - usually, rats, mice, dogs, cats, or, occasionally, humans.
The police don't respond to these or other threats when it happens in the slums, calling it population control. It is not advised to walk alone at night, or without a weapon.

Most previously domesticated animals - pigs, chickens, cows, turkeys - have become extremely rare after bioweapons and artifical plagues were released in order to cull their populations during the last great war, in an attempt to undermine their enemies. Both sides claim the other was responsible.

Regardless, both sides were eventually effected. Such animals line the zoos of the elite in society, alongside their other, more traditional occupants - the ones that haven't gone extinct, which are few. Tigers, Koalas, Pandas, and many of the great apes are remembered only through video footage and pictures. Attempts to recreate them through bioengineering are ongoing.

>>74421283
>>74421404
Sometimes I have to wonder if the powers that be sit in a room menacingly and say to themselves in the most obviously mustache twirlingly evil way:

>Hey Rothchild!
>Yeah Soros?
>What do you think we elites can make the sheeple do next?'
>How about making them eat dirt?
>Nahh Dirt isn't sqicky enough, I want them to eat what we think they are?
>Vermin?
>INDUBITABLY
>What do you think Morgan? Du Pont? Rockefeller?
>Brilliant!!! lets run that shit in the news see if the maggots buy it.
>How do we sell it?
>Overpopulation or global warming or some shit
>Climate change is nice but lets add insult to injury!
>You mean?
>Yup
>Tell them they need workers to replace their current workforce so we can replace them, then Claim the world is overpopulated and make them eat maggots
>Surely, somebody will notice the obvious fork-tongued hypocrisy?...
>.......................
>[ALL LAUGH]

>>74419648
>>74420103
>Serfitor - Like the Adsecularis, a Serfitor can be mistaken for a servitor at first glance, though they have not had their minds wiped and have their bodies controlled by the machine. The reason for this subtle difference to normal servitors is that sometimes the crimes are not grave enough to warrant a permanent sentence, therefore once the period of servitude is complete they may attempt to return to their original lives. But now with a set of crappy augmetics that have left them permanently disfigured.

>>74421887
>when a Serfitor's tenure is over, their cybernetics are removed for reuse in the next sentencing, leaving them without use of the appendages they replaced
>they aren't compensated for the loss, after all, they wouldn't be in the situation if they hadn't agitated against microplastics to begin with

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>>74419594
American school kids have a bigger body count than that.

Clothing has suffered a serious loss in diversity of materials - genuine leather is extremely rare, alongside cotton, wool, and flax, as the sources of all were targeted by artifical plagues and blights in the great war. Polyester and Nylon, among other artifical sources of fabric make up the majority of clothes for the poors of society.

Far out numbering the hydroponic farms of traditional genetically altered crops are mushroom farms, fertilized by human excrement and the ground up remains of dead bodies. Cemeteries no longer exist, except for the rich.

>>74420708
Assuming said archives aren't deliberately destroyed for insufficient Wokeness and to guarantee a greater market for the newest media instead of hording yesteryears

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All this and the consumers are happier for it.

How about this:

>lobbying groups push for legislature to enshrine access to certain pharmaceuticals under the guise of protecting certain classes of citizens
>lobbying groups also pressure doctors onto affirmative care methodology in prescription of said pharmaceuticals
>meanwhile these pharmaceuticals are produced by companies that have long histories of predatory and misleading marketing
>said companies regularly conceal negative side effects of their drugs including life-altering or deadly ones
>said pharmaceutical companies also often pay for ghost written papers supporting the use of these medications for unapproved courses of treatment (off label)
>at some point it reaches the case where 20-60% of all papers involving pharmaceuticals were ghost written by the companies that produce them
>these companies then attach the name of prominent or interested research endocrinologists/neurologists etc. which has the dual effect of increasing social status within their field/wage and legitimizing the ghost written papers
>the lobbying groups and pharmaceutical companies will also regularly place the aforementioned researchers/doctors that support their unsavory behaviour onto panels which allow them to recommend the drugs/or give talks at an expensive price whilst avoiding the appearance of conflict of interest with direct payment
>these pharmaceutical companies kick money to the lobbying groups in order to keep the pressure on doctors to prescribe and politicians to politicize or legislate in their favor
>the unsavory doctors and researches will also author longitudinal observational studies on the side-effects of the drugs they are recommending for off label use to bolster their career and use the populace as guinea pigs with next to no repercussions
>and if the companies are ever caught in any of this they will just pay a fine and get off scott free

That should expand on the OP nicely.

>>74423301
So basically the pharmaceutical industry.
Should I be worried that so many of these are just the modern day?

>>74423354
I was just writing shit I observed working in the industry to add to OP.

But yes, you should be.

>>74413592
USSR had something of a kind actually. Tbey just made straight up illegal to exchange it for common rubles.
Naturally black markets were quick to appear.

>>74413592
>How would that even work?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryozka_(Russian_retail_store)

>>74404212
>Pills are ubiquitous
I mean, is there anything bad about these pills?

If they do something unpleasant other than making people more reasonable to deal with, then sure

Or maybe if people are just junkies, or pay far too much for them, or have to wait in line for them while they're bugging out and going nuts from not having them

>>74426272
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try not drinking coffee for 2-3 days

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>>74405081
the party is a group of ecoterrorists who release a bioweapon that targets the DNA editing of the ultrawealthy

This thread could be summed up as "America, and why it sucks."
The leafs really need to get that wall up pronto.

>>74426362
I don't drink coffee. Two cups oolong tea once in a while when I didn't sleep enough. Maybe 1-3 times in a typical week.

RIP in peace caffeine addicts

>>74404212
>Pills are ubiquitous and it's exponentially rarer to encounter someone who abstains from taking stimulants or depressants than someone who does on a daily basis, if not eight or ten times more often.

I'm actually working on some writefag shit that involves this but idk I can't find a way to make this interesting
It seems cool at first but you realize about 30 seconds in that you go, "okay, so what?"
How do I make this even mildly interesting?

>>74426526
Canada is just as bad if not worse than America in a lot of ways.

Since January we have:
>used an OIC to skip legislative procedure entirely
>refused to put out a budget
>removed oversight over budget
>fed has been spending 500 billion in the last 3 months (meaning we added a 500 billion deficit to a country that only has a 1.5 trillion budget in 3 months)
>had the PM become involved in another scandal (he has had 3-4 ethics violations so far and basically just says sorry then does the same thing again)
>the current scandal forced our finance minister to step down (who we then replaced with a journalist)
>the current scandal had 3 separate committees investigating it - it was already cited as an ethics violation
>the PM just asked the Governor General to prorogue parliament
>the GG was involved in her own scandal that is also currently being investigated
>so she prorogued parliament for 2 months
>this resets all the work done in the investigations, bans the committees from doing any investigation/work until its over and forces them to restart effectively
>to restart an investigation where you left there has to be unanimous consent in the House of Commons once the prorogue is over - so a single nay fucks everything
>we agreed to test China's vaccine for covid on our citizens rather than our own or any of our allies

On top of the national shit
>each province is handling the crisis differently
>my province has granted its governor the ability to completely control the economy and pass legislation without any vote/opposition
>he has been using it to fuck over multiple projects which have years of work
>he also used it to block a leadership election of the party he coaligned with to gain power
>and has been extending the act that gives him this power every month

The RCMP who should be looking into all this shit, are under control of someone married to the cousin of the former finance minister that the PM just protected by cancelling the investigation

>>74408375
All you have to do is purchase a commodity in one currency and sell it in the other to exchange. That’s an annoyance, but hardly insurmountable.

>>74404212
>minimum wage jobs are simplified down to plugging your CNS into a mainframe for days on end to contribute your biological computing power for whatever the corporation sees fit. Cryptocurrency mining, data entry, server storage space, etc.

>>74427599
Not him, but what in the shit did the feds spend 500 billion on? Whats the scandal even about, that it starts a major ethics shitshow?

>>74404212
>A small insular cabal controls 80% if the settings resources
>Most of the governments of the setting are some flavor of democratic, but it doesn't matter because it's culturally acceptable to buy votes

>>74410946
That's the point of the thread. Some people are missing it.

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>Morality is actually objective. Hell is actually real. The rules required to escape damnation are old-testament tier

>>74404212
>Within living memory a single unskilled laborer could comfortablu support family.
>Now despite significant increases in productivity, two unskilled laborers working longer hours struggle to keep a family out of poverty

>>74427845
Yeah, it's not like the standard of living at the poverty line changed over that time frame or anything.

>>74427662
Probably stimulus checks since the economy no longer exists. The Americans spent 14 trillion dollars in the first six months of this year, which is more than the GDP of China, and enough to buy my entire country and everything on it twice.

>>74404212
Coffee exists
Literally everyone is addicted to stimulants. Caffeine is a stimulant. You are probably addicted to it

>>74405329
Yep, although we're a few miles up the road from lithium-salted tap water and non-prescription amphetamines/modafinil. I'll take my coffee in the morning and my liquor in the evening, thank you.

>>74427662
No one fucking knows where the money is going.
Some of it is going to CERB which is basically an income supplement and stacks on top of welfare/employment insurance/child bonus.
But otherwise we really don't have a clue.
The government refuses to let us see anything at all.

As for the scandal:
>Company wants to get federal money
>Suggests the government create a charity program to help the elderly
>Government says cool, and gives them the job to do it citing no one else would be capable
>Proceeds to give them something like 950 million CAD

The scandal part is:
>PM has been paid for speaking engagements by the company
>His wife regularly podcasts with them
>Other immediate family members have been involved with them including his mother
>The company has paid them roughly millions in speaking fees before you even consider travel/accomodation/etc.

His finance minister also has financial relations with the company.

Essentially its the Canadian equivalent of Dick Cheney and Halliburton's non-bid deals with the Department of Defense during the Iraq war.

Trudeau has a history of this stuff.
>2017 he broke multiple federal corruption laws by accepting gifts from someone who lobbies him/his party
>2018 he interfered with the justice department and federal prosecutors on behalf of a quebec company involved in its own pay-for-play scandal

Never mind the stuff that can be politically charged like paying a terrorist 10.5 million then using a loophole so that the victim of the terrorist can't go after the money.

>>74405054
I wanted to do a setting like this, space feudalism but the knights and nobles are corporate officers and close. I couldn't think of a good reason for them to be a soldier class though

>>74427616
>prison time is served in this manner
>a life sentence is referred to as "the Big Sleep"

>>74420859
That's just shadowrun

>>74427920
Wow. I gotta admit didn't know Leaf Politics were that interesting desu, I always thought they were just boring as hell overall since nothing really ever escapes out. Thanks for the info anon, makes me thankful my country is for the most part just calm and functional.

>>74427988
If you want interesting, we have a ton of it. All kinds of weird shit up here.

Take the mass shooting in Nova Scotia
>perp could not legally own a gun
>was reported several times for owning ones by neighbours who felt threatened and/or saw them
>perp had a clone of an RCMP car
>perp had a legitimate RCMP uniform
>current thought is perp had a source INSIDE the RCMP
>perp was also a confidential informant for the RCMP
>he had links to organized crime
>was definitely providing intel on the Hell's Angels
>had his cover blown by over eager prosecutors

Next thing you know, he goes nuts and does a mass shooting. RCMP are working to scrub as much as they can. And were actively willfully ignorant during it.

>>74427662
>>74427891
Bailouts to the megacorps, to be funneled into executive bonuses and 'campaign donation' bribery to politicians to get even more bailouts.

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Ha, ain't that some shit. The biggest scandals we really had here were just shit like:
>Prime Minister that faked his entire fucking engineer status, earning himself eternal meme status
>Involved in some serious whack ass money laundering, got himself the footbelt and stuck on neet prison about 6 years later
>One of his most famous things was trying his damnest to make a big deal with Microsoft and everyone else to deliver laptops to everyone for afordable prices, they were all extremely shitty budget ones, if you were on the 6th grade, you effectively got an actual potato battery
>Everyone involved in the sales and production was in on it to massively profit from it, being assrammed later by the Law
>the man himself never even did his job right, only sowed more confusion, country nosedives around that time in a massive econ crisis, effectively making us starve for like 4 years to make up for their shit decisions

The latest fad is how every single incompetent politician has declared there is no racism in our country. Our Prime Minister and President have their mouths fucking shut because even they can't bullshit that much, but hot damn, its some Prime Time TV political bullshit to be able to say that with a straight face.

>>74428235
Thank you based third-world subhuman shitposter

>>74427891
Most of the big stimulus package (which was 2 trillion of the 14) actually went to people, which is surprising. Most of it was stimulus checks and the unemployment extensions. Another 4 trillion is the dogeared amount for the regular government's year. The big stuff was in corporate relief and in what's supposed to be happening in the next stimulus.

Almost an experiment in UBI, desu, it was just really unfortunate that we had to try it in the middle of a plague, because tax revenue is FUCKED this year.

>>74427829
>the campaign goal is to spread a fanatical cult to prevent as many souls from succumbing to damnation as possible
>the problem is that everything about it is extremely illegal, the mega-corp conglomerate will be pulling every stop to eradicate it, and there is no supernatural backing this side of the afterlife
>cue pseudo-Abrahamist neo-ISIS battling it out with terminator assassins and cyberSWAT kill-squads
Are you a bad enough dude to stone the CEO of Amazon-Mart?

>>74412430
>muh BLM are terrorists
stfu /pol/

>The elites socially and economically segregate a section of society, a caste if you will
>People from the caste are openly discriminated against
>Feed the caste media that glorifies ignorance and violence
>Imprison all the men of the caste regularly, either for actually causing problems, for entirely imaginary charges, or as a "preventative" measure. The real purpose is to make sure they can never build a career or participate in social institutions. This keeps them poor and disorganized.
>Still let them out long enough to breed.
>Carefully control population though
>Deploy caste members as needed in places to create (real or imagined) danger in the general populace
>Only by supporting Dear Leader can the caste be kept from destroying what you love
>Dear Leader also controls the caste
They'd be like semi-wild animals, but human. Wild enough that their masters could plausibly deny controlling them, but still under enough control to be deployed as a danger only where needed against enemies of their masters. And you can't just exterminate them because they are still humans, as much victims of their own engineered circumstances as they are perpetrators of their own crimes.

>>74429197
You're talking about niggers.

>>74427924
Knights and nobles are those who can afford advanced power armor and go fight "alongside" the riff-raff (standing a kilometer behind the front line bombing the shit out of everything from their shoulder-mounted batteries while being safe from any actual harm behind 20cm of sci-fi armor) for the bragging rights

>>74427551
>people take the pills to be happy
>pills make them happy and numb
>but the pills don't address the cause of their feelings
>without the feelings to motivate people they let themselves go
>stop taking care of themselves
>stop making deep connections with others
>become a mess barely held together by the pills
>even with them, some effects of the state of their lives get through
>people live shorter
>can't think straight and always try to feel the void of their empty sad minds with noise
>sleep is less then what it used to be
>the mind is numb to most stimulus, genuinely happy moments are forgotten
>worst part is when they can't get pills
>everything wrong with them comes back to bite at the same time
>most can't live with that
>if you lose access to pills you are a suicide waiting to happen

>>74412430
thats some low iq false equivalence you got there

>>74431383
Bleak

>>74426392
>>74405081
Thanks for idea for next cyberpunk campaing

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>>74404212
Being downer is criminal offense, take your happy pills citizen before I gotta force-feed them to you.

>>74431383
You sound like you've had some experience with Zoloft.

>>74431383
time for Universe 26

>>74433363
This game would be nace if not for this godawful aesthetic of great britain.

>>74429165
Silence antifag.

>>74429165
Considering they have done property damage, injured people, theft, vandalism, the creation of CHAZ (which lead to murders) etc. all with the notion of intimidating political opponents into the desired course of action, I would say that qualifies.

>>74434000
parody of Britain needs to exaggerate like that, otherwise noone would know it's meant to be parody

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>>74419564
>>74419648

>>74422877
Not to mention some of classical knowledge is rewritten and bastardized in order to provide new forms of bread and circuses to the sterilized public

>>74434824
We call that 'remakes'.

>>74428399

Britain has actually implemented a fairly good wage replacement scheme compared to the Americans, but since as usual the entire government is made up of completely bloodless finance ghouls that's going as soon as they can put out enough propaganda to that effect into the media, as is the eviction suspension. Great Depression N.3 here we come, they aren't about to start sending out stimulus checks.

My only worry about the deficit is that it currently isn't anywhere near large enough to stop the inevitable implosion.

>>74435623
The problem is the UK can't afford it.
Nobody really can. As it stands the UK is relying heavily on its remarkable credit history to get away with it. Find a newborn child, look it in the eyes and tell it will be paying off the debt from the kungflu furlough scheme the rest of its life. Because it will.

>>74434000
now you know how i feel playing fallout

>>74435623
Eviction suspension needs to go. At least in Canada it does. It is already Damn near impossible to get rid of unwanted tenants. But up here they did the following due to Covid:

>no evictions until state of emergency is over
>no mortgage freeze
>no mortgage subsidy
>you can get a rent subsidy but only if the tenant applies - the landlord cannot apply on behalf or compel a tenant to apply
>even then the rent subsidy caps at 500/month which is lower than most single bedrooms alone let alone a suite
>if the tenant does not take the subsidy there isn't anything you can do - cutting off heat/electrcity/water and internet (if you provided it) is a violation of tenants rights so legally they can pretty much just squat and receive everything at your expense

The my provinces government is also shoehorning through a law that will extend all laws/acts/decisions of this current government through the entirety of the emergency, through any governmental changes (such as a federal or provincial election removing them) and for the next at min 3 months to over a year after the emergency has ceased (ie. If the state of emergency was lifted in September, any changes this party makes have to stay until January at min to over September 2021).

>>74427944
>except theres no time lapsing for prisoners
>they sit there, awake, all day, every day, unable to do anything but watch data stream past your minds eye

>>74427616
>>74427944
>>74436141
Some have been rumored to have figured out how to change the data. There's no proof, but the brain-based-server-farm megacorps refuse to run their own or police systems on convict brains and don't explain why.

>>74436116
>It is already Damn near impossible to get rid of unwanted tenants
Literally just get couple construction workers that speak little English, hand them few bottle of cheap booze and the keys to the apartment. The expense on damages should be well worth sorting your tenant problem.

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>>74427616
>>74427944
>>74436141
>>74436267
Collectively, they make up a groupmind, which occasionally manipulates the data it processes to attempt to frame people with specific skills and intelligence to add them to itself.

>>74436116
>if the tenant does not take the subsidy there isn't anything you can do - cutting off heat/electrcity/water and internet (if you provided it) is a violation of tenants rights so legally they can pretty much just squat and receive everything at your expense
Are you paying your tenants utilities? I know some landlords offer that but it seems like a bad idea.
Mortgage freeze is a must, we are very glad to have it in the US. Good luck

>>74435767

Nah, bollocks. UK has total control over the pound, it's impossible for us to run out of them in the same way it's not possible for the USA to run out of dollars.

The issue with the UK is total economic capacity shrinking massively thanks to COVID, not having enough money to buy everything we can possibly make. At least if the gov. is willing to create enough money that it doesn't artificially limit the economy with deflation, anyway.

>>74431383
But this just sounds like real life

>>74436446
Well no.
The primary way to raise money is not to just turn on the printer but to issue bonds.
That's what the USA did money printer go brrr memes aside and their currency is crazy mess thats not worth going into.


So that money is going to need to be paid back. Over time.

>>74436596

Bond issuance is not to raise money but to maintain the desired central bank interest rate, this is fairly conventional econ. If you look at the balance sheets of the central bank and the Treasury then money is still created when bond issuance occurs, it's just in the form of interest-bearing bonds rather than non interest-bearing notes.

Barely matters anyway, since they're 100% safe nobody is going to stop buying US treasuries or UK gilts, which is why their rates go down in times of crisis rather than up like normal risky assets.

>>74436380
I don't but I do know landlords who do. It's pretty common in Canada to include it.

>>74436326
You would be correct.
Eviction works like this in Canada:

Start eviction process
Tenant has 15 days to file a dispute
After the filing of a dispute it takes up to 30 days for a decision (in my experience mid 20s usually)
After the filing of an order of posssssion the tenant can take it in for review
Review has a 60 day time limit, and can be extended by the courts
The courts can also set it aside and order a new review if it is: in error of law, unfair, or unreasonable
Then the tenant can get his writ which takes another day
Then hire a bailif to remove them (which means you have to go figure out which one you want, pay them, send them the paperwork, inform the court, then wait for them to do it)
The bailif shit can take 2 days to a week.

So essentially 3 months he can easily forstall just on the legal shit. Toss on at min another 17 days or so for everything else. And then the rest is just squatting.

So once the bailif removes them, if they re-enter and start squatting you are shit out of luck
>Police will not help
>Have to go to the courts
>Have to obtain a new eviction notice for the squatter
>Have to contact the sheriff's department to have them deliver the notice
>Then you can have the cops take them out
>Then you have to legally dispose of any possessions they brought in - otherwise they can sue

Enjoy. Easily another 2+ months of stalling available.

I should note, all of this means you have to go to the courts in person for this shit, which are only open from 9am to 4pm on Monday to Friday, so you are probably losing pay/have to take a day off work.

>>74436688
UK gilts yeah no worries there.
US treasuries maybe not.

Still we don't want to get hyperinflation or anything like that which would be very easy to blunder into if you let people get used to the government throwing money out of thin air.

>>74436778
Hyperinflation basically only occurs when there's a complete and total collapse of productive capacity, as when the French occupied the Ruhr and all the workers there went on general strike, or amid massive war devastation as in post-WW1 mitteleuropa. That to me seems way more likely if we allow 20% of the country to be fired and if anything even more to be evicted due to being overly worried about the deficit or the debt, which if you look at the accounting is equivalent to the monetary gain of the private and household sectors, since when the government spends money it goes into the pockets of either companies or the population.

Otherwise the main downside to an overly large deficit would be a few more percentage points on inflation, not this massive exponential currency collapse. A few extra points would if anything be beneficial, since it would decrease people's debt loads relative to income and also decrease the size of the hilariously bloated financial sector in the UK, so I'd much rather err on that side than the side of unnecessary unemployment and underconsumption.

Of course the City would not be happy with the "spend to full employment, build a ton of new infrastructure in the process, burn the creditors with 5-7% inflation" plan, which is why it will never ever happen and was repeatedly stamped on in the 1970s, but such is capitalism.

>>74436979
Basically London ruining everything as usual.
We need a great big beautiful wall around London. One with no doors in it.

>>74437382

Tacnuke is my preferred solution, if you can get one that only deletes roughly a square mile. Maybe two, Whitehall needs redecorating.

>>74437410
Nah. Just turn the M25 into a wall.

>>74436769

To be fair, tho, I work for the Canadian Red Cross, and we do get plenty of calls for evicted tenants that got thrown out of their appartement in what seems to be completely illegal evictions, and usually we end up having to house them for a couple of days while they sort their shit out.

>>74436356
Dude thats fuckin bad ass

>>74436356
What do you think the goal of a groupmind like that would be? To allow the individuals to escape? Or to ensure its own survival by making sure more and more people are convicted? Maybe to turn the prison system inside out. It grows so powerful, the non-convicted work for the groupmind

>>74437832
>ensure its own survival by making sure more and more people are convicted
Only specific people. It takes on memories and personality traits from the people serving as synapses in its collective brain, so it can get picky, since its personality can change depending on the personalities of its component parts.

>>74437635
Would not be surprised if half their shit is lies. Then again, some of the condos are essentially owned by foreign slumlords who treat it like their home country so it's hard to tell.

General rule of thumb is that the average landlord is gonna get fucked. Poor ones are doomed. And the rich get away with murder as usual. Then the poor who are tenants are whipped.into a frenzy and go after the average to poor landlords.

>>74437866
So it would likely start as irrational, violent and sexually deviant if its based out of a traditional high security prison. Or maybe in that world most prisoners are people who couldnt pay off their debt, like 16th century europe

>thread about dystopian world building

>moose fuckers yammering about their unimportant country

Truly is a dystopian thread

>>74438124
Correction,

You cannot fuck a moose. You have to be the receiving partner. Otherwise it is illegal.

>>74420103
Post the rest of this art please. I remember the one where it’s a nice Star Trek society and the other side is a chaos planet from warhammer

>>74427616
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>>74438105
The question is, does it want to intellectually improve itself by assimilating criminal masterminds, or does it want to assimilate more of the same to maintain its personality as it is.

>>74422016
>has no argument so he does typical HAHAH AMERICA BAD joke

>>74426526
>he doesn’t know that it’s every single western country on earth + China
>still clinging to false hope of , it’s not us it’s just America
>has never read the news in Germany, Sweden, France, or Britain.
>he doesn’t realize all governments are working together under a global force

>>74438124
just because Clapistan is a sad parody of itself these days doesn't mean the leafs can't be in trouble too.

I guess one upside is the global dystopia may not have as much neon as we were promised but at least bad '80s fashion isn't compulsory either.

>>74438639
Just sayin the dystopian fantasy thread is probably not the place to discuss canadian politics

>>74438506
It wants to eject a wrongly convicted innocent, for fear of being infected by their sense of morality.

>>74438582
i know whataboutism is a standard argument for you people, but no other western country is as much of a shitshow as the usa.
>implying i give a fuck about what happens to the chinese
two-legged locusts, they're an active detriment to the species.

>>74438747
>dystopian
>fantasy

>>74438747
well i originally posted about the leafs needing to build a wall to keep the claps out, the idea of refugees heading north from the failed state(s) to the south is inherently dystopian, and with what the maple syrup brigade are saying it seems they'd be refugees coming into a vaguely corrupt state anyway.

>>74438639
>at least bad '80s fashion isn't compulsory either
Too bad, I was kinda looking forward to it.

>>74439979
>not wearing 80s fashion despite the public trend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1_dy1EmV6w

>>74437866
Are we talking full blown hive mind masterminding grand plans of world domination? Or is this a barely conscious network that’s only beginning to take shape, with individual minds being able to influence it to their favor

>>74438018
> poor landlords.
Define poor

>>74442042
Working Class/Working Poor in basic socio-economic terms.

In Canada that is roughly around the wage of 20-30/hour. Or 45k to 65k annually.

You can get a mortgage here despite making that little, if your credit score is not shit, and you agree to a 30+ year mortgage.

So some of the poorer families, say a two working parent household that makes 75k per year combined, might get a mortgage, then rent out their basement to a tenant for say 800-1500/month which covers or helps cover the mortgage, and additional money earned through regular income will be used to pay the rest of the mortgage or pay down the principle. Those types tend to be the ones hit hardest by our system up here.

And by all means they are not middle class. Middle class in the area used in the above example would be more than 16k above that combined income. A regular single person income in the middle class is closer to 75k per year with lower middle being around 70k.

Keep in mind, these are CAD. So 1 CAD = 0.76 USD = 0.64 Euro = 0.58 Pound

>>74404212
>Hurrbdurrr psychiatric medication is bad

>>74442291
Read the thread, besides Canadian politics the talk about pills is how they can be corrupted by greedy companies that ignore negative side effects and push them hard in the medical community as a solution for the wrong problem. Because like the rest of cyberpunk it’s not about “thing bad” but about how unchecked capitalism, greed and corruption make thing and society bad

>>74442291
yes

>>74404212
Taking stimulants and undergoing specific surgery is mandatory for hifher-end jobs. Enjoy paying your surgery loan.

>>74442903
So everyone is a korean pop star now?

>>74442882
>hurr durr thoughts and feelings aren't the results of chemical processes they're made of Thetans

>>74442997
neither of the previous people who responded to you but
>Ignores legitimate response
>Specifically targets meme baiting you
Why are you like this? Do you exclusively seek to engage with those you can attempt to seem smarter than? Or is it because they've successfully countered your argument that you have to target someone not making a argument to keep it going?
Actually now that I think about it a fuckton of anons are just like that, which makes me wonder as to why?

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>>74443090
Brain pills give you strange compulsions, friend.

>>74442042
>nayrt
People who believed that dumb hack Kiyosaki, and invested in a house thinking that they could rent it out at a small profit, only to find that upkeep and repair eats everything, and the final result is more a millstone than anything else

>>74443090
>why?

4chan

Tom has a few good videos to give some ideas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WByBm2SwKk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIuf1V1FhpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

>>74443218
Also people who thought they could use rent to help pay off a multi-decade mortgage then leave the house as inheritance for their children.

>>74404212
This is the world right now.

>>74427924
Some of the features of space warfare require genetic modifications to use, so the elite soldiers need to be drawn from the nobility.

>>74407559
Omegaverse ho!

>>74435767
Money is a spook, we will just default on our debts in 30 years and nobody is gonna say or do shit about it. Oh what are you gonna do China, cry? Cry like a bitch.

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>>74442034
It can't interact with the physical world, once ex-cons have served their sentences and been unplugged, at most they'll have some baffling memories of being part of something incomprehensible, suitable for starting a cargo cult around. So basically a scifi version of Keith Thompson's Collect, subtly encouraging civilization toward more criminal convictions.
https://www.keiththompsonart.com/pages/collect.html

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>>74444009
fuck this idea is so good I'm gonna have to make a cyberpunk setting just for it

>>74427616
>no I'm not fucking tagging the whole thread
>>74438506
Both. The hivemind is at war with itself.

>>74443662
>nobody is gonna say or do shit about it
They are going to refuse to buy new bonds and stop using petro dollars.

vump

>>74436688
>Bond issuance is not to raise money but to maintain the desired central bank interest rate

You're kind of seeing the trees for the wood there. Bonds and interest rates are both tools to achieve the same ends, ie funding national activity and smoothening market oscillation. The litmus test at the end of the day is what precisely is being funded by the central banks; productivity or lifestyle, and how *sustainable* is the effort? That is the biggest question.

The trouble with coronachan rescue packages worldwide is that they're money sunk firmly into the "preserve lifestyle" category. Which simply means the "production and development" is taking a hard hit and we aren't going to see future growth like what we saw in the past. We're gonna go sideways a bit for a while, at best. (Barring a very near future quantum leap in human tech development like I dunno, cost-efficient carbon nanotubes or something.)

Or in other words, money was borrowed against future production to pay for medical expenses now, which will have to be repaid in future, which means the future will have that much less produce to enjoy. It's like a 4x game, or Catan writ large. /tg/ of all places ought to appreciate that better than most.

>>74427599
Socialism ho!

Sorry for your troubles, anon. Canada is nice, I hope you guys work it out.

>>74426526
....uhh not at all? USA is still the world's leading economy, and leading R&D which is what counts at the end of the day. Just one company, AAPL, is worth more than your average third world country. It's worth more than fucking Vietnam. Now think about the rest of its economy, what a powerhouse of development and production it is.

Contrast with Europe, who've mostly been investing in "lifestyle" and leaving tech to wither. My money's not on them.

>>74446901
Yeah a lot of countries in the EU fell for the managed decline meme

>>74446901

I largely agree, but the limiting factor is not "how much money has the government spent" because it can always spend as much as it needs to do whatever, the limiting factor is the real resources and what is done with them. Government "borrowing" as an interest-rate maintenance tool is entirely distinct from individual or corporate borrowing, it never has to be "paid back" in the form of an actual commitment of real resources.

I have no problem with maintaining consumption over the course of the Corona crisis if it's done competently, since it both keeps people Not Dying and prevents the hysteresis effect whereby the reduced consumption for X period of time reduces productive capacity permanently, since some of those factories won't open back up again and are now deadweight.
The big problem here is that the COVID response was done incompetently to such a degree that the lockdown will have to be sustained far longer than it would have been if it was far harsher, far sooner.

Huge government investment in R&D after COVID would seem wise, since quite a lot of the major US tech advances that lead to the FAANGs were essentially putting together the results of fed. research like DARPA in interesting ways. I have quite a few problems with the standard "tech company business model" of massive rent-seeking, but that's independent and directly hostile to continued technological development.

>>74444009
consider https://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=5968

>>74448739
>it never has to be "paid back" in the form of an actual commitment of real resources

It does, and there are real resources. Govt debts are always being paid back, the public just doesn't normally see it because new debt is constantly issued. Hell I own some sovereign bonds myself, I can choose to resell it now, or the Govt pays me back in 10 years. Meanwhile I'm collecting interest.

Real resources are committed, in the form of national economic activities from which the Govt collects taxes to repay the debt to me. If the Govt fails to collect taxes or the country's economic activity goes to zero, that money is lost.

*In addition* to funding Govt activities,
>Government "borrowing" is an interest-rate maintenance tool

And the purpose of maintaining interest rates is to smoothen market fluctuations i.e. encourage economic activity at a proper, non-bubble-forming pace, or ride over financial crisis such as corona

>the COVID response was done incompetently to such a degree that the lockdown will have to be sustained far longer than it would have been if it was far harsher, far sooner

That's a bit out of topic for pure economics discussion. Well, at the end of the day the Govt of a democratic country springs from the collective zeitgeist of its people; you got what you voted for, and most countries voted for a leader who could do X thing very well, which they treasured, but may not have been the best for doing Y thing very well such as respond to a novel pandemic. The nation COULD always vote to surrender your rights in a time of crisis, as the Romans did, or outright accept the rule of a tyrant like a Communist country who can order you shot if you don't wear your mask.... but that means picking leaders who are good at Y and not at X.

>>74448739
>the FAANGs were essentially putting together the results of fed. research like DARPA in interesting ways
To be fair to them, the Govt would not have had the capability or capital to do what they did. Fuck knows I hate Elon Musk with a passion, but you need brilliant people to come up and put together something that can create TESLA, and the nature of Govt bureaucracy means that it stifles such individuals. That's how the USSR really lost the race, actually; a State-controlled organisation just couldn't out-innovate and OUT-PRODUCE (very important!) a capitalist organisation. It's capitalism that creates opportunity and MOTIVATION (again, important!) for brilliant people to do brilliant things that ultimately contribute to the country's bottom line.

Hence, in all honesty?

>I have quite a few problems with the standard "tech company business model" of massive rent-seeking

Fuck the people who talk about "rent seeking". They're the leechers of society who are envious of the doers. One does not look at outlier individuals, it is the system one judges by; and on the overall the market returns in a developed Western country are far from "rent seeking". Quite the contrary, too much is being siphoned off to satisfy these bleeding-heart fucking hypocrites and on a global scale it's getting harder and harder to compete with more capitalistic Eastern nations. This is precisely why all of Europe is going to pot.

I really want to write a cyberpunk setting where the megacorp govts are socialist corporatism organisations...

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>>74450743
Why do you hate African entrepreneurs anon?

>>74450873
Kek.

You know, that could well be THE big economic catalyst of the future. Africa is like one full quarter of the Earth that's just utterly stuck in 10,000 B.C., economy-wise. Bringing then up from rocks and dirt to a consumption level of something like just 1990s America? It could well dwarf the global market expansion of the entire last half century.

>>74450743
>Elon Musk
>brilliant people
Elon Musk is rich. That's his sole claim to fame. He is not brilliant. It's not even particularly smart. He just go lucky and became really fucking rich.

>>74451050
What's stopping you from getting rich? Nothing, you just have to find a niche and fill it. Mobile apps are a good place to start.

>>74451050
His technical ability is there but it's not what makes him stand out. What makes him stand out is his CEO skills.

But, I dislike the whole Musketeer mania because it's just Great Man syndrome... he's just one cog in a huge machine, there are many other important cogs as well

>>74451175
Indeed. We live in a time where there's greater opportunity for the average joe to make it big than ever before.

Rent seeking my ass.

>>74451224
Not really.
You need to either be born into enough money to be able to turn that into more money.
Or you need to have the exact right skillset at the right moment and even then money or access to it remains a key element.

For the majority of the population simply being born in the lower classes means they will never be able to get very far.

>>74452464
Statistically, the average American millionaire IS from the working classes.

>Or you need to have the exact right skillset
Which is being blared 24/7 on all the airwaves all the time: STEM STEM STEM

Information is accessible to the least privileged like never before anon. Just 20 years ago when *I* was looking around wondering what to study, it was still the good ol career fair runaround for most clutching piles of deadtree pamphlets. Not every one of us carried a relatively cheap lightweight 6" x 3" x 0.2" device in our pockets with 24/7 access to nearly everything the human race knows, updated with all the latest findings from every corner of the globe. This kind of access is literally unprecedented in all of human history. As is the level of consideration the developed world has for the downtrodden and disadvantaged (whether in fact or in public perception.) Opportunity abounds.

I'm not saying it's easy now. I'm saying its easiER than ever before in the history of man.

>>74453426
Actually funny thing.
It was easier in the past.

Hardware and software development was a lot more accessible. Nowadays to even bring something to market requires infrastructure worth hundreds of millions.
But in the past? You could make something fairly easily out of off the shelf components and sell it.
Aint nobody buying your breadboard monstrosity anymore. And why would they when the latest corporate offering is half the price?

>>74452464
>For the majority of the population simply being born in the lower classes means they will never be able to get very far.

That is usually a line utilized by middle to upper middle class liberals who don't really understand being poor.

Poor people aren't poor because life just shits on them.
Poor people are poor because life shits on them AND they make poor decisions.
They accumulate debt, they have kids out of wedlock, they don't work a full time job, they don't finish high school at times, they justify spending on unneeded luxuries, etc.

You have multiple systems here for leaving lower classes, and people just flat out ignore them.
>Military is a strong choice to elevate socio-economic status
>there are scholarships/bursaries/etc.
>Trades is always a good choice
>working construction/physical labour intensive jobs

Socio-economic mobility is arguably high right now. We have a larger proportion of people in the middle class as a whole than we did in the 1970s.

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>>74404212
>The new’s primary purpose is to lie and spin events for political and economic reasons, but the vast majority still believe the media’s purpose is to inform


>All media outlets are owned by only a handful of corporations and ultimately a few dozen people

>>74454224

Lets look at your proposed options:

>Military: High probability of dying for Israel and generally going to leave you with skills of low value outside the military bubble.
>Scholarships/bursaries: Only applicable if you tick some special interest box. Which most don't.
>Trades: To an extent.
>Construction/physically intensive stuff: A great way to be a cripple by your 40s. Truly fantastic way to boost your social standing by mangling your body to save a rich guy some money on not providing equipment.

>>74454224
>>Military is a strong choice to elevate socio-economic status

You are legit mad if you think anyone in the middle-upper class has any amount of respect for the military.

>>74453625
Programs are where it's at, not hardware. And you don't need heavy duty hardware for that. Whole countries are directing their IT industries towards this direction precisely for this reason.

>and there's always the Flappybird Gambit

>>74454224
>AND they make poor decisions.
>They accumulate debt, they have kids out of wedlock, they don't work a full time job, they don't finish high school at times, they justify spending on unneeded luxuries

Even the SJWs acknowledge this bit. They just fail at the part where "it's not really their fault cause they don't know any better"* and give them a free pass, as if not having consequences to your life choices is actually going to make you grow as a person...

*(Which says something about what that crowd really think about equality)

>>74454523
>High probability of dying
Balls
>skills of low value
US Army pays for your college, anon
>Scholarships/bursaries
Are more available than ever before in our era of prosperity and social justice
>Trades
See this is where it's at. Just don't fucking study bullshit like Middle English Lit or Feminist Viking Studies or Modern Trans Art Perspectives
>cripple
Inb4 medieval peasants only worked once a week here we go...

>>74454574
Its not about respect, its about being able to financially leave the lower class, or underclass. Military allows that. Respect is irrelevant.

>>74454523
>Military - don't just be a grunt, specialize.
A combat medic can become an EMT, a weapons tech often is acceptable as a maintenance technician in civilian life. These are jobs that are not in poverty.

>Scholarships/Bursaries - fair enough point, but they exist to help and can be utilized if they do.

>Trades
Usually a good option. Take Canada for example, its pretty cheap education, always offers loans that can be paid back in a few paychecks (or even paid while at school) and you'll get at min the 70k per hour to in the six digits as a tradie. People don't do it because they think its this low social status thing. But financially it is quite viable.

>construction
You literally wreck your shit if you're retarded. Learning how to lift things properly saves you miles of bills later. Just use it and move up the ladder within the field, or save money and go into something else.

What you're missing here, is all options require delayed gratification, which a lot of poor fucks don't have. You don't just climb out of poverty in a week or month. It usually takes say 5 to 6 years.

>>74454668
Yeah software is not really a reliable way to make a living. Especially for white people these days.
In the USA the tech firms are jumping on the use of compliant and boot licking Indian workers.
The rest of the world has a saturation of programmers due to a solid decade of encouraging them.

Yes the US army will pay for your college. Meaning once you get out the army you will likely have a fair bit of physical damage, probably some socialisation issues AND to top it all off you'll be behind everyone in your age group anyways because lol military experience counts for nothing.
The only edge you'll have over someone who just left school is not having student debt.

Scholarships like I said are great if you're checking some special interest box. If you're white and male you get nothing.

And the cripple thing. Go find some construction workers and ask them how they feel. Chances are they're all gonna complain about their knees, backs or whatever injury they didn't get compensated for.
Hell find some poor fuck who's worked fast food for a year and you'll likely find they're a mess too.

The labor distribution system's shit.
Thousands upon thousands want for jobs but get none because we can't just do the "food and a house for labor" exchange any more and have to run it through hundreds of middlemen.

>>74454815
Indians are pretty useless at programming from what I've read. I don't think companies can just replace competent workers with them.

>>74455049
They are pretty useless. But they're just capable enough to do the job, even if its not done well it's done.
The main thing that the US tech firms love about them is their compliance. They are absolute bootlickers and have no opinion other than that your opinion is great mister boss man yes.

So US tech firm management love them.
No opinions, no trying to get better jobs, no haggling for career advancement, no questioning or ideas of their own.
A totally obedient and compliant workforce. Not the best but you just ain't gotta worry about them

>browsing /pol/ and frog twitter
>this is depressing, I'll just browse /tg/ to take my mind off things
>read this thread

i really can't stop doomscrolling. i've just got to get off the internet i guess.

>>74455177
4chan is the worst place to be if you have depression anon. Do literally anything else.

>>74455177
Just get off the internet anon

Do something wholesome. Take a walk, get some sunshine, eat a steak

>>74454815
You're not wrong
But
You're not right

Again, yes there are downsides; however, there are fewer downsides than ever before. It was no great bed of roses in 1920 either anon...

>>74455109
And they are cheap as fuck.
Like ridiculously cheap.

When I worked one of my jobs, we'd off shore to them maybe enough work to add iono 100 people to our payroll. But for the price, we could have thousands of Indians, and pay them above average per capita yearly salary.

It was a nightmare, cause you'd have to redo shit all the fucking time cause they were such trash, but it was cheaper than hiring the native population so, thats what management wanted.

>>74455605
Nah if you wanted to make the big money in tech then the time to be alive and just entering the field was anywhere from the 70s to the early 00s.
After that you're basically hoping to come up with anything that a bigger company could do better and will buy off you.

>>74451050
>>74451224
Any rich man could. Difference is, most of them have importing the entire third world for a pet project instead of building rockets to travel to other worlds.

>>74455643
>the time to be alive and just entering the field
Is all the time, every year. The only problem is that you don't know what field it is

But that's alright. Unlike in the 70s, you have a small device in your pocket which you can use to keep up-to-date on the latest trends around the world, and you stand that much better a chance of getting wind of the next big thing and preparing yourself

The question is, are you doing that, or are you using that device to sit on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum whining about how you just can't get a break?

>>74410851
>What's up Mujahid00ds! I'm here live with last month's donation raffle winner Alex and he's going to take out a tour bus!

>The patrons in discord voted and it was a close one, 112 votes for explosive vest beat out by 116 for dual AK-47's! No fireworks today but at least our boi Alex will get to show us if his CS:GO skills carry over to the real deal!

>>74455850
Its a nice idea and really plays into the worldview of the billionaire class.
But the reality is just not so rosy. Yeah you might get on the next big thing and become a gorillionaire and spew similar bullshit thinking it true. But it's far more likely you struck out and can enjoy bankruptcy and homelessness.

>>74404212
>A shady nepotistic ancient tribe secretly grooms child sex slaves but everyone keeps quiet for fear of having their credit destroyed

>>74404212
>A small clique in control of media use it to destroy all public services so they can be the new privatized providers and rule over the cattle for eternity

>>74404212
>Populations are literally so mentally and physically unhealthy that they no longer have children
>"Lol it's okay we can just replace you with imports"

>>74455049
Most are shit, but even the entirely irredeemable ones are still useful to have around for keeping wages and the perception of worker leverage down with their presence, and lowering the social trust of the community, which is very useful to prevent labor organization before it ever starts

>>74456039
>lowering the social trust of the community, which is very useful to prevent labor organization before it ever starts
The megacorps openly admitted this in a leaked memo.
https://www.businessinsider.com/whole-foods-tracks-unionization-risk-with-heat-map-2020-1

>>74417643
I saw someone get their skull peacefully protested in until he was a twitching corpse, but I guess I'll trust the corporate sponsors of the riots instead of my own eyes

>>74456251
Imagine you're the leader of an enormous megacorporation.

Your business has enough of a nest egg saved up to survive the temporary hit of some of your franchises getting pillaged and burnt by looters, which would drive your smaller competitors out of business, giving you a greater monopoly in the future.

Now keep in mind that six megacorporation control ninety percent of american media. Do the words 'conflict of interest' mean anything to you?
https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

>>74456039
Fresh, debt free immigrants, will allow the bankers that run the EU behind the scenes, to continue this charade of economy, where money is made from nothing by issuing usury ridden debt deals. The native Europeans are already milked dry, so without fresh meat, this debt based economy would collapse.

>>74438367
How... How did you come to know this, out of curiosity?

>>74457514
Judge's ruling on a case.

>>74438747
That's even more horrifying.

>>74455955
>>74455914
>>74454445
>jews

>>74456765
Maybe don't consoom your way into debt?

>>74457514
Not him, but I'd just assume you can't be expected to fend off a horny moose

>>74458191
Is more about a court case.

>>74434363
It's a darn shame people keep insisting on using different crimes than the ones they are actually guilty of.
It's like calling piracy theft.

>>74427616
>literally don't have to talk, think, work, or put in any effort at work
>just sit there, black out, days later there's your paycheck
wtf i want this job

>>74458172
It's a civilization-wide prisoner's dilemma, anon, and everyone else is defaulting! So it's either get on board or wind up paying the price regardless.

>>74426362
My Melanie enriched friend. I don't smoke, drink alcohol or consume caffeine. Also life in a rural area and work it multiple times a week
Life's pretty good.

>>74404212
>The universe is innately hostile to life, and only its inefficiency and lack of direction prevent the total extinction of all lifeforms everywhere
Without this condition, can you even really have a dystopia?

>>74458172
I'm a human being. I need to eat and have shelter.

>>74459404
Yeah it isn't very dystopian. How about
>waking up from a shift leaves you completely mentally drained, you're basically a zombie for the entire weekend
>lingering side effects to being plugged in; perhaps you're more prone to seizures as reams of past data is remembered by your brain and it kicks into data processing mode, leaving the rest of your body to fend for itself
>mental degradation from keeping up the job for too long. Your brain is worked at a high level for several days without any of the rest that a brain needs. Early dementia and alzheimers is common among the workers.

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>>74459404
Your bosses only claim that your body is kept safe in a regeneration alcove during work hours. Rumors that they rent it out as a Watts-style military zombie, meaning you might get shot or wake up with a criminal record from what your body did without your control are unproven but possible.
https://rifters.com/echopraxia/recruiter.htm

>>74465406
Live in a smaller house

Eat within your means. Unless you're earning less than a thousand dollars or euro, you can't possibly be starving. Show me your grocery bill.

>>74468891
>Show me your grocery bill.
This is 4chan. My life is hard enough without sharing any personal information and being doxxed.

>>74468920
Oh don't be so literal anon, you can at least just describe it in detail

>>74469078
>least just describe it in detail
Hold on, is this a fetish thing? Because you're making it sound kind of like fetish thing.

>>74469091
Sorry. I'm an accountant, it's a way of life for me.

To cut to the chase - just live within your means anon, and like our forefathers, save. Eventually you may find something worth investing that will return a profit - either upskilling, or a different job, or a business, or an investment. If you don't, pass it on to your kids and give them that little starting boost in life that might give them a better chance of crawling out of the wage-slave class.

>>74431645
You're right, I'm sorry. It was wrong of me to compare the KKK to communist larpers who kill each other on accident.

>>74454815
>Scholarships like I said are great if you're checking some special interest box. If you're white and male you get nothing.
Claim to be trans and sue if anyone calls your bluff or complains.

I could imagine a dogmatized version of Science, where the innovative class has hijacked the knowledge and masses don't have the means (or perhaps even inclination) to truly understand it.

They might not view science as a god, or even scoff at the idea of a god, yet they still believe things veiled in scientific language without at all understanding the concepts / methodologies, and are easily lead by the upper echelons that veil their desires in dogmatized jargon that 'sounds right'.

Education would be closely guarded and the educated class idolized as exceptional and beyond the intelligence of the common person. Knowledge would be more closely controlled and it'd be harder to figure it out on your own without being part of the class that is allowed to have that knowledge, and propaganda usually effectively shuts down any naysayers as imbeciles and viewed with the same derision as we might see flat-earthers.

Basically 'scientists' of that society are like catholic priests who read the bible to the plebs who can't read latin, and have the ability to twist the meaning whenever they like in language nobody can second-guess them in.

>>74454815
>be white and male
>get amazing scholarships because of my big fucking brain
perhaps you weren't made for higher education?

>>74454668
>there's always the Flappybird Gambit
Using freemium games for money laundering?

>>74455994
Imports or robots, in either case, your family ends with you.

>>74405669
Yeah if my boss said that to me I would unironically quit on the spot. I wouldn't even say anything I'd just leave and I'd leave a lot of shit going and if they withheld any pay I would sue the shit out of them.

>>74476822
Then he'll just hire a replacement. You've got enough competition to drive down your bargaining position to basically nil.

>>74473156
Psychology has a lot of that. Especially social psychology/sociology/etc.

A lot of what they espouse maintains little to no reputable research - and by reputable, I mean capable of producing results which can be recreated, or standing through rigorous criticism.

>>74473156
Basically anon that's happening now.
The cult of the expert is very real

>>74480628
That's the joke. Half the stuff in this thread is 'happening now' as you put it.

>>74473156
Uhhh have you seen what's being pushed in the name of "science"? 99% of those fuckheads wouldn't know a hypothesis if it raped them in the ass

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>>74455109
>So US tech firm management love them.
>No opinions, no trying to get better jobs, no haggling for career advancement, no questioning or ideas of their own.
>A totally obedient and compliant workforce. Not the best but you just ain't gotta worry about them
If it's any comfort, they'll be screwed even worse than you in a couple decades when robots have all those qualities.

>>74459404

Part of the dystopian nature of it is exactly that

>people love that they dont actually have to work
>dont care that 90% of their lives are spent unconcious between work and sleep
>wages are calculated to perfectly pay for food, rent and utilities and nothing else
>peoples bodies are atrophied and weak
>theres no upward mobility, you, your family, your children, and all continuations of your bloodline will be brain farm workers

Though i do like what >>74466613 is thinking

>>74443588
That was actually my first thought, all the power armors were keyed to certain genetic markers originally found in those who were of the soldiers class, and overtime they just usurped the executives due to being cut off from earth.

>>74427616
Friend runs a space game this is actually how one race handles its prisons. Criminals get plugged into the matrix and have to do floating calculations for the bank

Except they're aware.

>>74484857
https://deusex.fandom.com/wiki/Hyron_Project

>>74454224
>Military is a strong choice to elevate socio-economic status
If you survive and aren't physically or mentally crippled for life.

>>74445015
Who said there was only one hivemind? What if some people have figured out how the hivemind worked and decided to create their own?

>>74484782
The wealthy maintain control of society at large via cyborg supersoldiers while keeping said cyborgs from usurping them by maintaining a stranglehold on all sources of maintenance and spare parts.

>>74486207
Modern military casualties in war, at least for the west, are quite low. The USA has suffered roughly a total 17,000 in the past 14 years. This is roughly 1200 per year. Of which Only 26% were in OCO. The vast majority of non-OCO dying of illness, accidents (in particular vehicular), or self inflicted injury. Of a total population of 1.3 million.

Death is fairly uncommon. Crippling PTSD is quite rare as well - roughly 5%. Physical crippling depends more on deployment and specialization.

>>74473156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgiJPnwtQU

>>74491581
It's probably safer to be in the US Army than to be in a Harlem gang

>>74492399
That says more about New York than it does the army.

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>>74489522
Being heavily 'borged up means having vital organs with planned obsolescence to make you a captive market for the company selling cybernetic implants.

>>74404212
Sooooooo the actual modern world, then? Which is in fact a dystopian horror setting by the standards of all the authors in the past who are considered to have written about dystopias. We’re well past 1984-tier/cyberpunk-tier and heading towards Mad Max or Brave New World.

>>74492399
Safer than a lot of places that is for sure.