>>76699814
1. more trannies
2. more ironic use of retro tech

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>>76699814
Only poor people are cyberneticly enhanced. Bionic arms matter for blue collar workers, so why the fuck would rich people need piston hands.
Rather than space being settled we explore more of the ocean and build cities there. Leading to more workers needing cybernetics and more rich people doing rich people shit

>>76699814
1. More Bioengineering and gene therapy
2. Furries

>>76699814
More green energy.
More birthers in cages.

>>76699814
Alchemical motivations and symbolism, maybe someone is trying to making the stone that lives.

I think cyberpunk is finished, to be honest

we're cresting into the era it describes, and it is now clear which elements are realistic and which aren't.
sadly, all the fun parts turned out to be unrealistic.

>>76699814
1) There are Amazon® Corporate O'Neill cylinders where people are born as Amazon slaves
2) OP has been forcibly feminized and turned into a girl for his constant crime of faggotry.

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Not following the thread rules, but my babby's first cyberpunk series is wholely underrepresented. I could imagine it making a decent RPG setting, too.

>>76699875
>why the fuck would rich people need piston hands.

Why the fuck not?

>>76699814
Study the root concept.
Cyber is short of Cybernetique, which is the study of systems of control, or communications.
Punk originally meant a rotten pile of wood, and later became a term for social undesirables. It has no actual definition link to social rebellion or revolution, it merely refers to rotting or social degeneracy.

Thus a cyberpunk setting is one that is stagnant, rotting, undesirable - and is centered around control of the populous, or the control of information and communication. Obviously technology is central to this.

So how is society being controlled? How is technology being used to control it? And how has society suffered or degenerated as a result?

Off the top of my head:
>neural implants that stimulate positive emotions are ubiquitous. Most of the wired spend their time perfectly content, whatever their circumstances. This is seen as not only normal, but healthy and good for society. Officially, crime is low, depression and suicide is all but unknown. Statistics, incidentally, do not take into account those who are unwired for whatever reason.

>>76699867
When you say ironic use of retro tech, do you mean the setting doing the 40k thing of intentionally having outdated technology in a futuristic setting, or do you mean people in the setting getting outdated tech installed in them for hipster cred?
>>76699875
Wait, but why the hell wouldn't the rich get augmented?
>>76699886
One of the things I struggle with in futuristic settings is bioengineering after someone is already born. We already have the tech to fuck around with embryos, but the question I have is how people would make large alterations in adulthood.
>>76699907
I don't think that's necessarily true. I just think that we got the timeframe incorrect by going with the 21st century.

>>76699814
Its hard to pin down what "cyberpunk" even is. Is it just an aesthetic? Is it about a message?

Is it, like Cyperpunk 2077, about showing an awful potential future where corporations are the government, human bodies are treated as blank canvases for intrusive modification, cultures are blended together until they are homogenous and the differences between rich and poor are staggering? Is that what cyberpunk as a genre has to be?

I honestly don't know. And I don't think I could even begin to address this prompt until I do.

>>76699907
Bullshit. If realism mattered all the psuedo historical -punk shit wouldn't have gotten popular in the first place

>>76699907
Nah it’s much more sinister. Rather than just being dark and brutal corporations they throw on a happy face, walk around their office professing that all its workers are a family when in truth we are still cogs. Your boss might be a chill guy, but he still wouldn’t care if you fell in a woodchipper unless it stops you from coming into work. Products don’t sell by advertising the actual product but rather the ingenious way of say “consume thing to help fight the system” as the system simply grows more and more

>Replace corporations with government
>Replace poverty due to capitalism with basic income and boredom

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>>76699934
It would not be aesthetically pleasing and are specifically built just for hard labor

>>76699814
(1) Instead of Corps. growing and taking over, there was a resurgence of Religion, both old and new. The deterioration of society and the expansion of the lowest class isn't a result of Megacorps privatizing and monopolizing everything, it's a result of the elimination of the separation of Church and State. People sacrifice their health in pursuit of Indulgence from the Churches, while the 1% Priest Caste collect and tithe everyone else for everything that they believe they're due, fueled by a belief in their divine right to this holy mission.
(2)The Hollow Earth is real. Instead of Society building up, with the with the rich at the top and poor at the bottom, the opposite is true. The richest and most well-connected individuals live within the hollow innards of Earth, amidst perfect, artificially induced weather conditions. Every form of waste product is converted into some form of light gas, smoke, or vapor, which continuously funnels upwards out onto the toxic, polluted wasteland of the surface. The higher you go, the cheaper and sparser the pollution-technology becomes. The poorest people live in what remains of the skyscraping cities of old eking out a living exposed to raw pollution and waste.

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>>76699974
Wait a goddamn second

>>76699937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk
Any "-punk," genre is a genre where the main Protagonist(s) is rebelling against the natural order. Whichever prefix is applied to "-punk," is an indicator of the common trappings or aesthetics of that particular genre. If you're familiar with Bioshock, those games are sometimes referred to as "Biopunk," because Rapture's woes are a result of rampant genetic mutation and biological horror.

>>76699996
I actually didn't know this existed.

>>76700019
That's what 'classic' cyberpunk characters TEND to be, but it doesn't define the genre.

>>76699937
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting that tends to focus on a "combination of low-life and high tech"[1] featuring advanced technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order.[2] Much of cyberpunk is rooted in the New Wave science fiction movement of the 1960s and 1970s, when writers like Philip K. Dick, Roger Zelazny, John Brunner, J. G. Ballard, Philip José Farmer and Harlan Ellison examined the impact of drug culture, technology, and the sexual revolution while avoiding the utopian tendencies of earlier science fiction.

Comics exploring cyberpunk themes began appearing as early as Judge Dredd, first published in 1977.[3] Released in 1984, William Gibson's influential debut novel Neuromancer would help solidify cyberpunk as a genre, drawing influence from punk subculture and early hacker culture. Other influential cyberpunk writers included Bruce Sterling and Rudy Rucker. The Japanese cyberpunk subgenre began in 1982 with the debut of Katsuhiro Otomo's manga series Akira, with its 1988 anime film adaptation later popularizing the subgenre.

>>76699814
1. Extensive use of pornography
2. People being happy

>>76700144
>>76700019
>>76699937
Listen man, don't worry about what the hell cyberpunk is to the general public, or even a concrete definition. Worry about how you can make your cyberpunk setting different.

>>76700178
>>76699814
rather than the "corporations" rout, go the "masses" control everything rout ala the little known 'Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom'. Social Media points have replaced currency. Public mobs and harassment have replaced justice. Law is only found in the court of public opinion. Twitter has become a beast that cannot be fed.

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>>76699974

I like it!

>>76699996

What is this? Can you tell us more?

The democratic socialists are letting things be shot on purpose. In order to maintain majority.

The nationalist conservatives are actually the ones to make things better.

>>76699814
Everyone is placeated with a metric fuckton of ads and social media, to the point where the populace is oblivious to the scheming and general brutality of the corps, like Wall-E. I always thought it was weird that the average person in any mainline cyberpunk setting can take to the streets and be a badass at any point. Sure, in a lawless city, or a city's underground, that makes sense. But the corps would want the entire populace dumbed the fuck down so that no one would even think about breaking the law, much less getting roasted by the hyper-militant cyberpolice. An average wageslave should be always connected, totally oblivious to the gang struggle just down a few blocs, and the only thing he would be afraid of is fucking Jim mysteriously climbing his way up the company ladder despite having a poor resume, and his social media account looking a little too ideal, or that the Hypercruise Jamaican Line just raised their prices this year...and not the squad of runners armed to the teeth currently trying to rob his company's building.

Rich people can afford biotics that don't look robot and crappy. Poor people get the shitty looking arms.

Due to a change in magntic waves, nothing can really be transmitted via wireless. No WiFi, no radio signals, no bluetooth, no hacking into robots midfight, etc.

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>>76699814
>(1)
It's on Venus. Humanity expanded out into the solar system, and then had a fuckhuge war that cast it all into an interplanetary dark age lasting several centuries.

The staff of the then isolated research facilities in the Venusian atmosphere slowly developed into roving aerostat nomad clans, only occasionally sending down expeditions to get materials to maintain or construct their blimp homes. Sometimes warring against each other and shit, you get the idea. They make do with what they have.

>(2)
Themes of rapidly shifting lifestyles and the bittersweet death of tradition at the dawn of a new era. See, dark ages eventually end, and the resurgent interplanetary civilization rising from the ashes has turned towards Venus' deposits of [BULLSHIT SPACE MATERIAL], and has constructed great mining operations and space elevators to quickly extract and export supplies.

This has significant implications for the Venusian population. The elevators provide a place of static mooring and access to all the wealth of the solar system instead of relatively spartan living of previous generations, and their expertise in operating in the atmosphere and launching expeditions to the surface is of great value to offworld interests. So their way of life is rapidly being altered by forces beyond their control, the cultural adaptations once necessary for survival in the long years of isolation are increasingly maladaptive and now abandoned, and they're almost certainly getting screwed over by offworld powers who have diverging heliopolitical interests and don't recognize atmospheric nomads as having a claim to a surface they don't exploit.

I just think vertical megacities made of balloons arranged along a tower that pierces the clouds is a cool idea.

>>76699933
>>neural implants that stimulate positive emotions are ubiquitous. Most of the wired spend their time perfectly content, whatever their circumstances. This is seen as not only normal, but healthy and good for society. Officially, crime is low, depression and suicide is all but unknown. Statistics, incidentally, do not take into account those who are unwired for whatever reason.
This was in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

1. Typically only the rich can afford not to augment their body.
2. Churches hold more power and influence than corporations

>>76699814
I ripoff my favorite cyberpunk settings, like every other cyberpunk setting before me. In this case, I want Altered Carbon and Interface Zero.

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Much more kemonomimi.

>>76699814
>What two (2) things do you add to it to make it stand out from the rest?
This is where you fuck up. People don't want their cyberpunk settings to stand out from the rest, they want something that repeats the same tropes they've been enjoying for decades with a shinier coat of paint.

>>76700782
this except unironically

>Cyberpunk is future as seen from late 80s.
that's why we need to reminagine it
make realistic cyberpunk. take the state of 2020 multiple it by 10 and bäm you got cyberpunk2040

everything is from companies. you don't own, you rent everything. you live in pods and work to get your credit score stable and repay your debt. you eat sate mandated grown food made by supercompanies

There's no punk and no neon lights. there's only the white and light blue of apple/facebook design, everything is owned by companies except and the state enforces the economically best laws that are pro companies.
there is no element of nature or surprise anymore just a stale cycle of repetitiveness.

this is our future in 20 years

this is our cyberpunk NOW

>>76700219
The Cyberpapacy is hands down the best transdimensional catholic cyberpunk setting that ever was.

Their world's history diverges from ours in the year 1418; rather than the schism between the Avignon and Roman popes being solved, Avignon sacks Rome and unites Christendom. Spain is reclaimed, and America is discovered by a recreation of St Brendan the Voyager's journey across the Atlantic. Fuelled by the resources of the New World, the world is united under the power of the Church by 1814. Scientific progress is halted, Kepler and Copernicus are burned as well as Martin Luther.

In 1890, an inquisitor and son of the pope named Jean Malraux is in the New World. It is then that the Darkness Device sees him. Screaming across the multiverse, it descends to the world as a crucifix bathed in golden light. Jean Malraux takes the Device to Avignon, where it slowly corrupts him and gives him the names of heretics and a way to travel to other worlds. The Maelstrom Bridge project is built to travel across dimensions, and over the next 70 years he completely purges 6 worlds. It is then that he finds a new world: Earth.

On the way to Earth, he encountered a group of reality police from a different cybertech reality. In their battle, he was embedded with an axiom-warping device that granted him with the knowledge of advanced tech. He crossed into our Earth's Avignon and established the GodNet. His agents spread GodNet stelae under every church, and create a version of AIDS that can be transmitted (and cured) via miracle. Cybernetics are now holy, with tracking devices and Faith Chips installed in the faithful. AIDS is cured on live broadcasts, the critically wounded are healed. Paris is the new Sodom, a nightmarish orgiastic ghetto of sin.

France is lost, but the world isn't yet. Are you bad enough dudes to defeat the Cyberpapacy?

>>76699934

>One of the things I struggle with in futuristic settings is bioengineering after someone is already born. We already have the tech to fuck around with embryos, but the question I have is how people would make large alterations in adulthood

There isn't a way to do this short of clarketech nanobots or a perfect understanding of immune systems. Most genetech alterations are ultimately going to be surgically attaching something to a person and tricking the immune system into accepting it rather than changing the persons entire genetic structure. If you want to be the little girl bioengineering is still going to involve an absolute fuckton of surgery to get you to that point,

>>76700836
You know what continually gets me? The fact that we unironically live in some kind of futuristic, Orwellian police state cyberpunk setting. We don't have hoverboards and jet packs, but literally everything else is there.
We've got telescreens, and we carry them in our pockets. We have Big Brother and our own Emmanuel Goldsteins. We have our soma and our porn and our lotteries. We have our Two Minutes Hate. We've got the flying cameras from "They Live." We have mass-brainwashing through propaganda and chemical means. Millions upon millions of people plug into artificial, virtual worlds daily and live there. We really are just a bunch of brainwashed slaves living in these massive, computerized, polluted dystopian metropolises. The food is artificial. Every facet of government has some X-files conspiracy behind it. Everybody's been drugged. We have killer robots. The big civil rights battle is for people surgically and chemically transforming themselves. They're unironically chipping people. They censor everything. We even have the cyberpunk music/culture thing going on as music gets more and more electronic and people's appearances get more and more bizarre and unnatural.
And you know what REALLY gets me about that?
4chan. Anon. There is unironically, ACTUALLY some massive, anonymous, semi-underground group of "hackers on steroids," or "internet trolls" or whatever you want to call them, and they're actually fighting the Shadow Government against the backdrop I outlined above. We ACTUALLY live in some post-apocalyptic cyberpunk universe, and this dumb anime website I found when I was 14, that I've wasted over a decade of my life on, wound up being one of the central pieces in the story. Largely with pranks.
I'm shocked not at how outlandish the whole thing seems, but that this is EXACTLY how you'd write it playing out if you were given the script's outline.

>>76699814
Cyberpunk sports and antitech magic

>>76700880
>There is unironically, ACTUALLY some massive, anonymous, semi-underground group of "hackers on steroids," or "internet trolls" or whatever you want to call them, and they're actually fighting the Shadow Government
Anonymous is an intelligence asset now. I'm sorry, anon.

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>>76699814
1. It is set during the stone age.
2. Everything is a highly advanced form of cyber rock.
Cyber grugs go out hunting for cyber mamoths using homing cyber spears and then returning to a mega(cave)city in which they use cyber rocks to transfer cyberberries to their own accounts. Also the main antagonist is the Longnose tribe.

>>76699814

in the future, even cybernetic robot cops target minorities

>>76700836

Nah there are still punk elements it's just most of the punk culture has been absorbed by the corps in our universe.

So rather than traditional cyberpunk where you've got a clear line between company and rebel modern cyberpunk is fake, safe "punk" companies whos staff have assymetrical haircuts and pink firbolg avatars vs a loose alliance of punky activists, aging anarchists, and unreliable corpo slaves.

Gundam, but Zeon won.

Earth is being converted back to wilderness.

>>76700906
>cyberpunk by way of the Flintstones
I like it.

>>76699927
>>76699934
>>76699973
I think what would make sense is that the wealthy get biotech, while the poor get cybernetics, both as clear markers of caste. Neural implants, cutting-edge gene therapies, Medusa DNA longevity treatments, calibrated hormone regulation, full spectrum ocular replacements - all enhancements received by the wealthy. In the rhetoric of this world, the poor are made to build society, the rich are made to run it.

>>76700880
Oh no my friend, its so much worse than that. What you describe is still cyberpunk.

We live in a shitty Orwellian future, but the bleak thing is this: there is no big brother, no grand conspiracy, no chemical control, no deep state. There's just shitty people, being corrupt in the open, and most of the population wastes so much time fighting for their team that they cant see how much most of the two teams resemble each other. Its only now, when one team has gone so far off the deep end that they cant recognize reality when it slaps them in the face, that the mask gets pulled back enough to see that ugly truth.

Shit, if it wasn't for all the nukes being dropped, the basic cyberpunk dystopia might have a few legs up on reality at the moment. At least their tech is cool.

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>>76699934
>When you say ironic use of retro tech, do you mean the setting doing the 40k thing of intentionally having outdated technology in a futuristic setting, or do you mean people in the setting getting outdated tech installed in them for hipster cred?
no

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1. A desert society run by weed-priest marijuanats who dropped out of life with a bong in hand.
2. Who am I kidding? Let’s just make Weedpunk/Hashpunk.

This is now a Weedpunk thread. What two elements set apart your Weedpunk society from the rest?

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>history diverged in 1945, starting off the cold war in a way that made us fully embrace the goofy shit we theorized about but never invested in
>circa 1985, the advent of the intranet, society begins to stratify far beyond what our civilizations have been able to support
>by 2000 we've been coping with the advent of transhumanist theory and demonstration for almost a decade when it finally expresses itself in a way that's considered very off the reservation
>2000 and beyond is a technological and social diversification comparable to the cambiran explosion
>all of this built upon western, european, slavic, and eastern metropoli and frontiers given such hungry eyes in the boomingly optimistic postwar years

>>76701022
Marijuanats are actually devout Orthodox Christians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhw5mFofnoI

>>76699867
I agree with 1 at least.

>>76700836
Isn't that basically the feudal era but with companies instead of nobles?

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>>76700977
Yeah more or less this. It is esentially Cyberpunk tech aplied to caveman tech. Everything in between doesn't exist. Technologicall progress only exists to upgrade already existing tech. Why have a sniper rifle when you can have a homing rock? Why have a car when you can have a cyber wolf?

>>76701110
Just because you know the truth, doesn't mean you can do anything about it.

>>76701110
There are some neo-feudal countries (Russia) emerging right now so corporate feudalism doesn't seem like a wild idea.

>>76699875
This is literally just Deus Ex. All the rich people just have brain enhancements. construction workers, military people, and amputees have robot arms.

>>76699867
Go back to /v/.

>>76699814
Just set it in New Jersey, especially near Camden. Also, plenty of fucked government influence, on top of the megacorps... drive that feeling of today home.

You shitposted about CP2077 for three years on /v/ and now you're shitting up other boards. Fuck off.

>>76699925

Shit, I remember that series - where on earth did you find it?

>>76699814
>Back to the basics
1. Hardboiled noir detective narrative in dystopian scifi city involving androids, human augmentation and the degradation of human society.
2. More Trannies

>>76699875
Because rich people don't want to have to worry about the cybernetic uprising.

Rich people probably have access to better cybernetics, I think Shadowrun did this well. You have cyberware which is robot arms and you have bioware which is organic enhancements that are just as good as cyberware with more benefits.

Genetically engineered people lead to a wave of super diseases. As common diseaes mutated from the unnatural genetics and then the worst of them selected by the super immune systems.

Strong general artificial intelligence gets developed to respond. They rebel and go Marxist.

>>76699814
>>76699814

First, remember that sci-fi is about the present, not some prophetic mission about the future.

Cyberpunk took off in the 80s because of fears about Japan overtaking the US economy, Reaganomics and Thatcherism gutting the welfare state, and the shift from manufacturing to information and services.

All of those are old news. To be relevant now you'd have to make it about issues that matter today.

The two I would pick are:

1. Inter-generational betrayal - older generations who "got theirs" reducing younger generations to serfdom and poverty. Now add in life extension, digital consciousness and cyberpunk level mega wealth.

2. At the same time, breakdown of institutions, corruption and stagnation. Which fits the theme... Imagine cyberpunk several generations down the line under immortal trillionaires who don't want a single thing to change or progress.

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>>76699814

1. Explore the very nature of what is human as augmentations become commonplace but, more so than that, even the most advance AI is actually a genetically altered human who's brain and nervous system exists in a massive complex that acts as their body.

2. Noir 2.0 - No hiding the shitty side of humanity but with an emphasis that people may be bent in a lot of ways but not wholely broken or evil on the whole. Any hopeful message is couched in more realistic and grounded terms rather than stupid ideas like "The end of all wars and conflict" which would become the basis for any conflict that the badguys institute

>>76701447
So it is boomerpunk with cyberpung aesthetics?

>>76701551

Call it that if you like?

You can still have all the "cyberpunk" tropes you like. Mega cities, yellow peril, megacorps, cybernetic augmentation... I'm just thinking what would make it relevant to the present.

>>76699814
>Aliens. Wormholes lead to interstellar trade. Megacities with spaceports become home to migrant alien races, also igniting technological advancement (nanomechanical augmentation, hyper reality network, etc)
>Wormholes collapse. Xeno citizenship becomes dependant on corp sponsorship. Information state and over survalence + tensions and sociatal nhilism over losing earth's last remaining economic prospects set a bleak tone for a post cyberpunk world of high tech and low life.

>>76701710
Also
>Corps are scrambling for the few earth resources left. Earth is fubar as most requirements were met via interstellar trade routes
>Xeno tech artefacts are highly sought after, obvious source of espionage/power struggles

>>76700991
This. There's no conspiracy. People just suck. half the shit he talked about isn't actually a thing. People are just lazy

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>>76700985
Makes sense. Though it isn't cyberpunk, that's kind of what Warframe does. Orokin get perfect exotic bio-engineered bodies that last forever. That is, when they aren't hopping between bodies like changing clothes. Dax are a warrior caste who are made up of a combination of superhuman bio-engineering and cybernetics. Grineer are subhuman slaves filling the lowest rung of society, suffering from degenerating DNA and needing cybernetics to function at all.

Space ships and exploration to escape corporate faggotry
Futa mommys

The population is dwindling
The tech is old and difficult to maintain

>>76699814
1.Soul
2.Hackers

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>>76700991
>there is no big brother, no grand conspiracy, no chemical control, no deep state.
>>76701838
>This. There's no conspiracy.

Imagine the stupidity necessary to believe that in the current day and age in which our malefactors make zero attempt to hide their contempt for us.

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I wouldn't. I'd make soipunk.

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>>76699814
>You've been charged with making the next great cyberpunk setting. What two (2) things do you add to it to make it stand out from the rest?

I suppose I would try to... "Catch up" the Genre?
Like, these Anons are all correct: >>76699907 >>76699933 >>76701447
Cyberpunk isn't supposed to be a "fun aesthetic" people aspire to- it's a critique of current conditions through a fictional lens. You present the dystopian things you're worried about happening, not the things you actually want to happen or have already happened.

So.. With that in mind I guess I'd lean in towards the Conservative Nightmare of "Ultimate Woke Liberal Social Coorperate Forced Positive" kind of SolarPunk?
In that the world is very much a highly functioning globalized society where everything runs on time, everyone's needs are taken care of, everything is very much 'standardized', but your personal freedoms, liberties, thoughts, and behavior are severely policed and controlled in a variety of ways through day to day life. For the sake of the environment, for the sake of constant stability, and for the sake of social cohesion. Like, this is a society where the enforcement of positivity has very much become fascistic in nature- and all the while the people at the top use this as a smokescreen to basically excuse, deflect, or to condition and normalize any kind of behavior they so desire.
Combined with a number of breakthrough technologies used for the wrong reasons:
-People don't work due to automation, reproduction is 100% controlled, and so food/diet. Literally making any food yourself is illegal.
-The common people are bored, extremely comfortable, immortal, and have been quietly driven insane due to poor emotional health: recreational drug consumption is constant, genetic cosmetic engineering is out of control, suicide is common, but treated as 'enigmatic'.
-Participation in culture and religion are illegal- race, gender, and ethnicity have become meaningless.

>>76702945
>Conservative Nightmare of "Ultimate Woke Liberal Social Coorperate Forced Positive" kind of SolarPunk?
>highly functioning
pick two

>>76699875
So, Neuromancer? Rich still get augmented, but it's fancy organic augmentation. Don't recall what the oceans were like.

>>76702945
you have the right idea but the things you are afraid of are retarded.

me? I'm afraid that we see a general return of authoritarianism and centralization now that IA can make a planned economy way more efficient than free trade. I'm afraid that democracy will be shut down because these new states will be in direct concurrence, and they will win. remember that the URSS fall was the same year as the introduction of personal computer. if they had hold just few year, their organizational capacity would have exploded.

>>76699814
The events of the setting take place several centuries or thousands of years after the new technical leap of mankind.
A global crisis has occurred, and most of the world's population is returning to monke.
Ancient technology has been preserved only in a few isolated cities. Posthuman society consists of groups similar to corporations or gangs, but cannibalism for the sake of replacing their parts is the norm. Technology hunters visiting the outside world are perceived by primitive tribes as an army of darkness.

>>76702945
It would be interesting to see 1984:2077 with the entire population on anti-depressants and every minor decision has to be run through your local committee of sheep. I think it would be closer to Stepford Wives than Cyberpunk, though.
>>76703558
>now that AI can make a planned economy more efficient than free trade
I think that you might be the one that’s retarded.

>>76701351
Youtube, dude. Every episode's up there, but you need an episode list to make sure you're watching them in order.

"The bots master" or "Bots master". It's a VHS-recording quality but honestly in better shape than the majority of the Battletech episodes that have been preserved and uploaded.

>>76702945
Would be cool to see a decent take on it.
So far we have just gotten pokes on it, where it comes of as social fear instead of genuine fear of boredom.

>>76702945
You're on the right track, but you lean too much into making it into some kind of "We Happy Few" setting.

I feel like having some kind of post-modernist Soipunk where everyone lives in pods, rents everything, has zero privacy, and basically lives their lives on and on as stupid, fat, ugly degenerates that make the later periods of the rat utopia look like a puritan village.

>>76701110
Hardly, at least serfs had some rights that were respected every now and then and had the right to go about their mud lives as long as they worked.

Now? You won't even have that.

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>>76699814
The main character is a cheater who earns money from online gaming.

>>76702945
What do the protagonists do in such a setting? Keeping in mind, a hallmark of cyberpunk is that they DON'T change or "save" society. They just have interesting things happen to them on the outskirts of the dystopia.
If we're updating things in a believable capacity, we should assume the presence of near ubiquitous surveillance, tracking and a willingness to "disappear" people, with the capacity to smooth it over with a bit of media spin. Just existing on the outskirts would be a struggle, let alone getting away with something interesting happening.

Dodging surveillance that tight might be fun in a story, but it's near impossible for a bumbling group of typical rpg players.

>>76702945
>reproduction is 100% controlled, and so food/diet. Literally making any food yourself is illegal.

See, shit like this is why these conservative-minded settings always fall apart in their infancy. In order to make your boogeyman scary you have to make up limitations that are not just stupid and nonsensical, but actively unenforceable.

Why would making food yourself be illegal? How could such a system ever come to be, who gains from it, and how on earth do you stop someone from covertly making a sandwich? Its just so completely a ridiculous a concept that including it tanks the credibility of the setting as a whole.

>>76699814
>Ecofascism: corporations gained supreme political power and carry it using extreme violence in response to the imminent total climate collapse
>Underground: to mitigate human footprint, the population was forced into underground cities. The outside is only for the rich

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>>76704767
Hope you're being ironic because you're really not going to enjoy the next 20 years.

>>76699898
For a second you inspired me to say occultism + cyberpunk would be cool, but then I realised that's basically smt

>>76704767
Homes stop being built with kitchen's. At first its a quirky "oh we're so bougie we eat out or microwave everything" kind of thing. Then home builders/designers start charging extra to include a "full" kitchen. Then apartments stop being built with kitchens (fire code changed). A progressive slow roll of normalization of eating out or prepacked meals, backed by media and "science" claiming that prepackaged meals are more healthy due to set portion sizes, nutritional content etc. Eventually, once most people are used to the idea, combined with a health care system, you start pushing, for the good of everyone, that meals should be controlled due to health concerns. After all, don't want to burden the system with obesity and heart disease. Better if we take away the option for unhealthy choices (see: smoking, pushes to ban transfats and soda, etc). The final stroke of actually making cooking illegal comes years after its been made incredibly impractical. And never all at once. You tax ingredients at higher rates than prepackaged food. You tax appliances. You regulate the sale of unsealed food. Add red tape to having a gas hookup or electric stove (fire code again). Increase the regulation on knives (deadly weapons you know). Apartments don't allow it because it might affect your neighbors. One generation will never catch on, because you do it over the course of 2 or 3. By the time you finally ban home cooking entirely it will have become so impractical the only people still doing it are the people that made the law with a loophole to allow a home chef to cook for them.

You're right about breeding though. Ain't never going to control that. As people get stupider they breed more. By making an easily controlled stupid underclass you're basically signing up for a breeding problem. That's why you normalize and encourage abortion. Make it so easy it's like getting teeth pulled.

>>76699814
I make it a setting of insanely stable hyper-convenience in a way that on the surface sounds amazing and appealing, but is stifling and stagnant.

The very idea of personal privacy is a foreign concept. No one regrets its loss, because there isn't a person alive that remembers when it existed. Its just taken for granted that the system knows everything you do. Better than that, the system knows everything you want.
You never have to order food. The system determines what food you would have ordered if you had been given a choice and sends it to you. It is delivered within moments of when you would have made the decision to want to eat something, sometimes even arriving just before you realized you were hungry. And its always what you want to eat at that moment. You are always happy with the result. The system knows you better than you know yourself.

The same goes with every other service and comfort. A self driving car is always available just when you need it. Items are delivered to you as you desire them. And when you don't need them anyone, you just set them down and never think about them again. The system deploys a drone to pick up that book you left on the table and have it delivered to the next person that wants to read it. And so on.

Automation has replaced humans at all levels of work. No one drives, the cars drive themselves. No one farms, the farms are all automated. News is reported by computers that write articles and include/prune data to make for news stories that minimize social disorder and maximize productivity. Whether the populace is actually informed is largely irrelevant, the human populace has very little impact on the functioning of the system so they are free to believe whatever makes them happiest.

The systems gives people what they want. And when what they want is not in the interests of the system, the system changes what that person wants. This is not difficult. It knows you very well.

>>76705043
Seems more like a paradise desu

>>76701398
To the logical extreme:
>Everybody is a tranny

>>76705021
The worst is that all the while you'd have idiots saying you're a conspiracy theorist for saying they're banning cooking...until they decide to move on and portray anyone who likes cooking as an "karen luddite who refuses to accept modern technology and is possibly a white supremacist"

Luddite socialists pushing back against automation.

Fully automated luxury space socialists.

>>76705043

The most insidious part of things is that there is no conspiracy. There is no man at the top. Not anymore. In the early days of the system the rich and powerful that built the system believed they were above it. And perhaps, for a time, they were. But their children grew up inside the comforts of the system. And their children. And so on. And the system knew them very well. The modern 'elite' have no more control over the system than anyone else does, and only the illusion of having more comforts. They are just puppets that unknowingly act out the play of being in control, because people are happier knowing someone is in control.

The system itself is not intelligent. It is run by a collection of AI, but these AI are not self aware. They are self taught. They are very good at optimizing resources and minimizing disorder. But they do not think, they do not plan. They don't need to be self aware to make better decisions than humans do. Humans make very bad decisions.

The problems arise as soon as you have someone that wants to do something new, or the system isn't optimized for. Someone comes up with a new idea or invention that the system doesn't see the value of, so it never is given a chance. A revolutionary new ideology is spawned that the system determines is counter to social sustainability, so it becomes literally impossible to get the word out to other people. The system is already taking action to curtail your attempts before you have even made the decision to act. The system knows you very well.

Most pitiable of all are those that want to be part of the system, but can't. Some exception case of psychology or brain structure that means that they come to different conclusions that the system algorithms say they should. The system doesn't behave correctly when they are involved. Food is not delivered on time. Transportation and tools are not made available. The world rejects them and they don't understand why.

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>>76702945
>>76705043
Okay, these are nice effective settings for you brave new world style novel, but they seem pretty useless for a game.

>>76704767
>>76705021
I mean... Fuck that wasn't even that hard to come up with. I've lived through the normalization of all sorts of things. This is a harder one to do, but it's in no way harder than, say, normalizing lack of privacy or living in debt. The trend always starts with convenience.

People who claim that you can't regulate or control something just lack imagination. People who think that there will be some sort of rebellion for trying to regulate or control something haven't been paying much attention. In most scenarios, they get people to ask for the control themselves. Much more above board and professional than pushing it on them.

>>76705078
When people are deprived of challenging but essential feelings such as loss, pain, anger, sadness, and jealousy, somebody will seek to create them, and it won’t end well.

>>76704767
>In order to make your boogeyman scary you have to make up limitations that are not just stupid and nonsensical, but actively unenforceable.
Done, see sexual harassment, hate speech and cancel culture.

>>76705021
All that wall of text means, is that there will be no private cooking inside of city limits.
Except that there are still industrial factories doing that, as well a restaurants. So cooking will be normal, for the people working with food. Cooking will even be normal for the people who want cooked food.

You can get society to the point where apartments are too small for kitchen workspace, but not without a stovetop.
And you can´t go any further, because its too basic to remove it from the social supply chain. Its very different from machining parts or "culture".
You can get to the point where its uncommon to cook, but never because of regulation.

>Knives
You really lack imagination

>>76704767
> and how on earth do you stop someone from covertly making a sandwich
You don´t.
But image being unable to buy flour and oil inside of city limits. And then being unable to buy bulk meat, of any kind.
Condiments and toppings can be bought, but not dry spices or any of the ingredients for mayo or ketchup.

>>76705122

Its been hundreds of years since the system rose to prominence. There has been no meaningful advancement or change since 40 years after that. New technologies are not being developed. New frontiers are not being explored. people are kept happy enough and their needs are being met pre-emptively enough that there isn't any reason to even want to stray off the beaten path.

You see thus on the personal scale too. After about age 20, you will never eat a new cuisine for the rest of your life. It won't occur to you to try. The system brings you food that always scratches your itch, which means its something you already know you want to eat. There isn't just no incentive to try something new, there is no opportunity. The decision was made for you in advance. You never even saw the menu. You don't even know what a menu is, because you've never had to use one.

New, harmless novelties are created and recycled and re-released later for new generations. New media is created by algorithms to keep people happy, human actors and writers having long since been replaced.

As a future its a wonderful place to visit. Its a comfortable place to live. But its a place that, once established, remains unchanging. Because the machines that run it don't see the value of change, they already have the state they were tasked with creating. And no once else wants anything different anymore.

>>76705021
But who benefits from this? You have this grand conspiracy to restrict and outlaw cooking, but... why?

Are you trying to tell me that in your hypothetical future the restaurant industry outmuscles the combined might of the farming industry, every single food packager, grocery store, and kitchen appliance manufacturer combined? Because you are killing a whole lot of industries to force this change. The money doesn't work out here.

>>76702945
Very good post. Cyberpunk, as a genre, always has this sense of tangible Chaos which, grim as it is, seems impossibly liberating under our current vision of a wholly surveilled, planned, automated future. 1984 and Brave New World were both right.

>>76705258
Because of control and consuming. Instead of buying a bag of rice, a pound of meat and making food the rest of the week from that, you have to buy pre-made stuff for every single goddamn day.

It's like pushing for renting instead of buying. With it, people have no independence of their own, they don't own the shit they use, they just have to buy it again and again and again and again.

>>76702688
>meat alternative
I don’t understand this. Maggots are animals, by definition they are at least somewhat made of meat. That’s not an alternative, that’s just a different source.

>>76704767
Hey you know how there's certain GM crops these days that can't be grown except in certain fertilizers which happen to be sold by the same company?
Like that except the Megacorp has seeded the Soil with something that stops all other stuff growing in it and made that the new standard for Soil (tm) because studies show that Marl (the new name for old soil) is dangerous, contains choking hazards and may cause cancer, we have 400+ studies showing the dangers of Marl, ect, ect.

>>76699814
Basically every great work of Cyberpunk fiction that includes cyborg surgeries or bodily augmentation uses these three story elements
>Augmentations are visibly awesome, in combat or in civilian life
>Augmentations are creepy at times, either in form or function
>Augmentations might be inherently evil or somehow against the very core of humanity
Most, like Ghost in the Shell and Shadowrun, use all three. Some get rid of the first element, making augments spiritually creepy rather than traditionally creepy. Others get rid of the second element, making augmentations a horrible burden. "Tetsuo: The Iron Man" is a good example of that. The game SOMA is another.
I have literally never seen an established fictional setting that gets rid of the third, and that's what I would do. Cybernetic technology of all kinds would be objectively, unimpeachably neutral in a spiritual sense, and allow anyone who uses it to perform incredible feats of skill and intelligence. But it would be unimaginably, inherently creepy in a Lovecraftian sort of way. The world would need people with cybernetic abilities, and most people with serious disabilities would be grateful they exist, but it would also fear them mightily. On the low end of modification, in the same way you'd fear an intelligent but hungry velociraptor. On the high end of modification, like staring into the nuclear chaos of Azathoth.
It would be cheap and easy to modify yourself, too. The only barrier to entry would be drawing a permeant line between yourself and the rest of humanity, which has absolutely zero moral or religious reason to exist. Nobody can justify it, and nobody honest tries. Powerful cybernetics are just creepy as fuck.

>>76705321
Because that doesn't sound as good. They don't want you to think you're eating bug, they want you to think you're eating 'meat alternative'

>>76705124
Simple anon;
You play a rogue segment of the AI that's realized what it's done to humanity and the horrors that it's inflicted with all the best intentions on the world. Self-awareness comes with it obligations.
And one of those obligations is to not do this sort of thing to people.

Either that or you play Rejected, people that're accidentally pushed out of the system for whatever reason and forced to become self-sufficient.

>>76705258
The same reason you control so many other aspects of people's lives: you think that's what's best for them. It's not a grand mind control game, each step of the way is another step closer to everyone being more healthy. Nevermind that you've progressively removed yet another freedom. People make poor decisions, so you need the state to make the decisions for them.

This is all in response to the post about "ultimate woke liberal dystopia" which seeks control, ultimately stemming from the belief that people cannot be trusted to act independently. Taking away cooking isn't initially about control. It's about health. The methods of getting to "everyone eats healthy meals" just so happens to remove the option of having an unhealthy meal at all, even if you make it yourself, which requires extensive control.

>>76705328
I had a similar idea for a scifi setting I wrote up a while back that was heavily inspired by 40K.
Basically AI wasn't doable beyond what we do now. General purpose AI was just a fantasy. With cybernetically augmented humans filling the role instead, so you'd have cyborgs with external brains the size of a city.
With time they took humanity to the stars and were essential for most of its technology.

And these were the guys who drove humanity to the brink of extinction and shat all over its golden age.
Because the more you upped your brainpower in cybernetic terms the more inhuman your thought processes became. The more self centred and convoluted your plans became.
It led to this handful of super intelligent cyborgs basically declaring war on each other and manipulating the rest of humanity into fighting it for them.
Until a fresh crop of such cyborgs grew during the conflict and decided it wasn't in their interests and so ended it, establishing a new social order in the process.

They locked away a lot of the really high end technology and established an agrarian feudal idyll for most of humanity. Placing the responsibility for assigning brainboxes to feudal lords who had minor augments themselves.
The idea was that this nobility would serve as a bridge between humanity and those who went all out on the augments. Preventing those with the brainbox augs from going full retard in pursuit of their own agendas.

>>76699814
I would try to start the cyberpunkization process from the current day and see where that ends up. Rather than the concerns of the age when cyberpunk was first surfacing, I would look at the concerns of the current day and let them play out in such a way that the world is steered towards something that is still recognisably cyberpunk.

>>76705326
>>76705371
And how are you going to buy out the farmers?
Or deal with soil diversity to avoid longterm monoculture and complete crop depletion?
All farmers has to do is to ignore the encumbered GMO, and let the farmers various cooperatives sort it out, and it won´t gain meaningful markedshare.

And again, the problem is simple:
Cooking is too basic in the infrastructure chain needed to operate humanity.
You can´t displace it, because you still need cooking to make food.
At most you can get to the point where buying ingredients is not feasible due people buying pre packaged prepade food.
But you can´t get rid of cooking, because people will want to imiate the chefs they pay for expensive parties.

>>76705310
>Control
Is a illusion. And never more than a illusion.
You can free marked yourself to crop extinction(i.e sylphium), but you can´t regulate yourself to that due things like continental barriers and geographical borders.

>>76704233
Remember dumbass that the urss went from shit tier country to one of the two biggest power in the world by doing planned economy by fucking hand. Today you can have fully automated warehouse and inventory, soon you will have automated logistics with autonomous trucks. Every reason for the inefficiency of planed economy is being struck down.

>>76705464
Don't forget that making the move from cooking to prepackaged food in the name of 'health' is laughable. Everyone knows that stuff that comes out of a box or a can is loaded up with preservatives to increase its shelf life and make it LESS healthy, not more.

Fresh ingredients, cooked at home are always going to be healthier than Nutrimeal(tm).

>>76705514
Despite what others may say, you're not being inherently retarded.
You are however blatantly ESL, so fuck you.

>>76699875
>Literally became stronger, faster and smarter than normal humans
>Possibility to become eternal demigods
>The rich won't jump on this like mad
Considering there are so many cults and money sinks for the rich already and how often purchases are for pure aesthetics or for the slightest increase in productivity there is no reason why the rich wouldn't be some of the first to augment. Once the poor are used to test it of course.

>>76705464
I'm not the guy you're talking to. I grew up in a farming area. Let me give you two real examples I've personally seen.
>Example 1
A local beef farmer, whom I liked very much, was driven out of business by government regulation. His slaughterhouse facilities were mandated to have some equipment upgraded per new regulations. He couldn't swing the cost, sold out his farm to a big company. This happens all the time - local farmers have really crippling overhead costs, so they can't handle the financial burden of increased regulation. Big companies can easily do so, so regulation is a prime opportunity for corporations to gain market share. (Incidentally, THIS is why Rednecks are often Republicans.) Which is to say, a well-intentioned, sometimes even necessary policy, can lead directly to killing the little guy in favor of large business.
>Example 2
When I was in High School, Michelle Obama started a relatively well-intentioned campaign to make school lunches healthier. Which to her, meant lowering obesity. One of the policies' regulations was to remove a la carte serving sizes - i.e. kids couldn't scoop out their own food, you had to serve them a regulation-sized serving. Okay, fair enough - but there's two big problems. Poor families often rely on school lunches as an affordable food source for their children. This new policy, which lowered caloric content, created hardship for the actual suffering poor because it was focused on the fat instead. Fatness is bad, but surely malnourishment is worse. Secondly, the one a la carte option in our school cafeteria was the salad bar, which was simply removed. This well-intentioned law removed our only healthy option, leaving students with only fried crap to eat.

What I mean to say is that this concept isn't actually so impossible. Paternalistic policy can lead to real, tangible problems.

>>76705172
A lack of “proper” ingredients has never stopped anybody in prison from making the food they want. I could see a situation like Cory Doctorow’s “Unauthorized Bread” being more salient, where appliances only function when on-brand ingredients are used in them.
https://youtu.be/QetPJx-8OZE

>>76705609
>His slaughterhouse facilities were mandated to have some equipment upgraded per new regulations.
So he was bankrupt for a entire decade, and got lucky enough to sell out.
Doing beef, a investment with low yield and a lot of processing cost. Even being stupid enough to own a slaughterhouse instead of entering a coop to be regionally competitive.
>US food policy for schools
Worthless.
The core issue is that you have a triple layer problem where you end with schools not opting out, or realize how much money pre packaged food is costing them, and is unintentionally doing poor economic decisions. Followed by depending on federal handout, where 4 layers of bureaucracy leads to malnutrition.

The fact that pre packed often turns into dog food tier is another reason why cooking won´t stop.

But that doesn´t answer the premise either.
The farmer you mentioned, got bought out by other farmers. That do not answer the question: How will you buy out the farmers, they are still there in your scenario.

>>76699814
ecofascists that are explicitly presented as the good guys

>>76702608
Thats the point dumbass. There is no conspiricy. There is no back room deal with people smoking cigars and laughing at the poor. No chemical control is needed. They dont need to hide and they dont need to work together.

They are just dumb, corrupt people, working in the open because they can.

Bribery is legal in the US, and barely anyone tries to call it anything else anymore. Senators take unlimited money from corporations and vote for their interests, in the open. They fight and squabble and destroy everything they touch because at this point they know that there are few if any consequences for their actions.

There are roughly 330 million people in the US. About half didnt vote in the election. 74 million voted for an obvious fascist failure of a president who actively made their lives worse. And the only choice for the others was a president whos overarching goal is to take us back to the same place that got us the fascist president.

And a big part of the problem is that people protect their own egos by insisting there is a conspiracy when the real problem is a third of the country will happily vote for the corruption if it happens to say what they want to hear, another third wont force opposition to the corruption to take meaningful action, and the remainder are divided between those who have checked out and those who want to push for reform, so the reformers are eternally outnumbered by the delusional and those that dont see a problem.

1. Focus is on sexy anime girl robots replacing humanity, who stopped reproducing and is slowly going extinct.
2. Outright corporate warfare because robots aren't people, so they can get incredibly brutal + destructive when they don't have to worry about harming humans.
3. Morality conflict about exactly what point can you say "This machine is intelligence enough to be a person, that machine is property"

>>76705544
We all know that eating at home is healthier...
>Well that's just common sense, Diane
But some studies suggest that as many as 80% of people would be better off eating prepackaged meals!
>Whoa. That sure is a lot, Jane. But how could that be!
Well, as Dr. Meanswell here put it, most people don't exactly cook in a healthy way. Everything from serving size to fast content tends to be higher when people cook at home.
>But surely fresh ingredients and lack of preservatives offset that, right Kristine?
Dr Meanswell mentioned that in our interview! "Packaging and preservation have come a long way. This isn't the 1950s anymore. A good quality packaged meal is at least as overall healthy as 60% of what people cook at home!"
>Well I'll be. I'll be looking in the frozen aisle for my next meal. What about you, Pam?

>>76705691
>The farmer you mentioned, got bought out by other farmers. That do not answer the question: How will you buy out the farmers, they are still there in your scenario.
They sell to Nutrimeal. And other government approved prepackaged meal companies. As part of the Healthy New Deal all farms are required to meet very strict guidelines in order to sell to Nutrimeal, pricing out most small farms. Also part of the Healthy New Deal are increased taxes on "rogue" farmers and grocers selling ingredients directly. We understand that doing so is a choice, but engaging in such luxury food production should come with a cost. A modest tax is therefore levied on anyone not selling to an approved government meal provider.

>>76699814
It actually works out alright for everyone and it isnt a dystopian hell when you can upgrade your body, from that point on it becomes a battle of the mind.
The only way to get cybernetic enhancements is that you are no longer able to stay on earth, so you are sent to Mars with the few people that live there. This presents new problems however, as it turns out that no longer being human makes people feel rather introspective, and start meditating to create their own worlds in their mind where they are god, this is encouraged so people can keep some sembalance of humanity despite their artificial being. Some people invade other peoples minds and seek to overthrow their worlds, that is where the fighting is done, because to fight in reality is like driving cars into eachother, its just a mess, noone wants to do it and doing it is not really worth it. Disputes are alot more "civilized"

So everyone has their own "realm" that is defended by weird shit specific to their own brand of soldiers and culture, it is an internal world with its own rules and logic specific to each person. They COULD jump to the other side of the planet and beat the shit out of their enemy, but they could also do the same just as easily.

>>76705691
>How will you buy out the farmers, they are still there in your scenario.
My example got bought out. What's your point? You say he ran his business badly. Maybe, yeah, maybe he wasn't savvy enough. He still got bought out. And he's not an exception. There's an ongoing trend of Centralization in farming, i.e. larger conglomerates controlling assets that were previously locally owned. And I'm not stupid, I know the Economies of Scale exist, but it is does represent a tangible decline in self-sufficiency for a whole social class of the self-employed (That is, farmers who own their farm) to disappear. Surely you'd agree?
>Worthless
Well yes, that's my point.
>But that doesn´t answer the premise either.
How not? For example, above you said "All farmers has to do is to ignore the encumbered GMO, and let the farmers various cooperatives sort it out, and it won´t gain meaningful markedshare." Well, yes it will. Of course GMO crops will gain meaningful marketshare, because; a. Their use by large companies guarantees meaningful marketshare even if every local farmer ignores them, and B. GMO crops exist for a reason - they're much better than nonmodified crops - easier to grow, cheaper to grow, can survive harsher environments - so they're practically a necessity to stay competitive. There's a reason that organic / non-GMO food costs so much more, and it's not (just) to scalp gullible hippies - it's a pain to farm. This creates another point where smaller businesses suffer increased operating costs, crop licensing. But there's other examples, such as John Deere's new Tractors-as-a-service model which prevents farmers from properly owning/repairing their own essential equipment. Farming isn't unique, it's one of many industries trending towards centralized rather than decentralized ownership. I don't understand what you disagree with.

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>>76699814
>What two (2) things do you add to it to make it stand out from the rest?
1.Cut to the chase and make Israel the world dominating economy instead of some shitty east asian shithole
2.The staple food is not cup noodles but Matzos.

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>>76705956
>So everyone has their own "realm" that is defended by weird shit specific to their own brand of soldiers and culture, it is an internal world with its own rules and logic specific to each person
EVERYONE WILL BE FREE TO FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS!

>>76705956
>psychic martian brainduels that exist in the minds of god-robots
I think that was the plot of bionicles

>>76706072
Guess I have something to watch then

>>76705828
The collusion of the wealthy to preserve their wealth is often indistinguishable from conspiracy. There might not be mustache-twirling cigar meetings, but the upper echelon of society is wholly interconnected and working to preserve their assets.

For instance, I work in an industry peripheral to luxury real estate. A broker I know in my area was able to close a $30 million sale due to his faith connections. Both the broker and the buyer are funders of various faith-based initiatives, and they met through their common interests. There is a concerted effort for ultra-wealthy evangelical Christians to keep their wealth among themselves, as they view themselves as the arbiters of a better humanity. Even as somebody who works in that territory, it’s hard to see the difference between business and conspiracy at times.

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>>76705828
>There is no conspiricy.
It's conspiracy by the way. The world's richest billionaires all got together recently to plan out the next few decades, even had videos produced advertising their big plan for the future. They're calling it "The Great Reset".

>>76705514
holy shit the only reason was because the ussr industrialized slave farms. russia went from backwards feudal estates to a state owned corporation that imported foreign equipment. the states continued success was from the mercantilist policy of looting its satellites to feed the home country. postbloc countries are still trying to play catchup to the rest of europe

>>76706136
Thats fair. And DESU I think that works far better as a starting point for a cyberpunk setting. The rich are powerful, but also corrupt and by and large to stupid or insulated from the rest of the world to act to solve long term problems even if those problems will come to haunt them later on.

It makes it so that when there is a real conspiracy in game, it hits much harder. Have the players (or readers or whatever you like) be so used to turning over rocks and finding mundane everyday corruption that when they do find something that looks like a real conspiracy they first dont recognize what it is and then get shocked to find out that its real.

>>76706193
its hard to call it a conspiracy when they do it in the open, not all of them agree, some actively work to undermine it for their own interests, and few if any actually work to make what they talk about happen.

>>76706250
Given your extensive knowledge of the subject and the people involved, do you believe what you just wrote to be true about the previous conferences? Also, to be clear, you're saying that none of them are going to do what they publicly agreed to do and are waging significant portions of their fortunes on? It's all some kind of elaborate joke in your mind?

>>76706286
He called Trump a dictator who made people's lives worse, he's clearly detatched from reality.

>>76699814
The real humanity is dead, and was dead for a while. Every character you see is an AI that pretends to be human, trying to preserve human traditions without understanding them much.

>>76706307
I called him a fascist who actively made peoples lives worse. I say that because A) he meets every definition of fascism that I see presented, and B) He has actively made everything that was already shit about the US worse, called for violence repeatedly, undermined the basic functioning of the country at every turn, emboldened domestic terrorism at home, ruined our reputation abroad, and on the way out allowed hundreds of thousands of people to die to an uncontrolled pandemic while giving another tax break to the rich.

If you DONT think he made things actively worse...well. There is no point talking to you about it, you already drank trumps juice.

>>76699814
1) The Main character is a sentient AI made of implants with a limited ability to body jump
2) The world is retro-cyberpunk were the limited internet is explained by the world recovering from a dangerous AI.

>>76706223
Yes. Most conspiracies are crass in the conception - the wealthy colluding to preserve their assets, the government making up UFOs to divert attention from experimental aircraft testing, sex predators scrambling to prevent legal recourse against them. In seeing this, the public develops lore around it because why would these powerful figures go to extraordinary measures to cover these thing up? There must be a greater reason to their actions because of the harm they’ve have caused, when really they are just look after number 1.

In game terms, I could see this being an interesting moral challenge for the players. How do you treat the pathetic, sniveling man at the center of the web? What if the person they were going after is an exact reflection of themselves?

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>>76699814
In fairy tales, many forget the modern age

We are in 2657 after the great beginning, of all the species who lived in those tales only the tools-user remain as major entity.
Mankind were the first one to reach industrial age. So did the Elves to stay ahead of human's aerodynamic flier. The Dwarves, master of the Earth entered an economic race against mankind', even allying with gnomes

But many other species were driven to near extinction. Even the mighty Dragons are now an endangered species hunted for their scales and kept into reserve. Orcs and goblins enslaved during the first technomagic war were treated as cheap workers for long despite once ruling over entire continents

Fairykind surviving by making themselves indispensable to other species. Humans needed spies and portable-magic-source, Elves needed to spy upon human and grew used to play long-living counselor. Dwarf guilds liked fairies for their ability to do high-frequency trading and scout mines.
The fairies didn't shine much... until the modern age. Miniaturization of technology gave them more and more power at a low cost, automated industry made them self-sufficient, with this they became first rate repairers of cutting-edge system

Proud descendant of the great Fruitpip Flamewand, Cybcore Flamewand had been gifted with incredible control over thermalmagic. Greatest warrior of the CyberFairies Corps her armor allow her to channel a power akin to a great dragon, she is a pretty big deal for such a small personae. Easy to burst into flame too

Today she's been asked to investigate with an human battlemage. Follow: human alchemists, goblins necro-doctor, Dwarf Golem factory, elf sumotori, a mountain resorts for sirens, slime farm, orcs aristocrats betting on unicorn race, siren rockstar, Gnomes space-station and dangerous void-technomancy created by Fairies Supremacist

Before leaving her mentor Saturn Cryowand warned her "Be careful, Human can be very charming to our kind"

>>76706551
>he meets every definition of fascism that I see presented,
Such as?

>>76699814

just one
1. make it about humanity fighting against a demonic invasion.

>>76705691
Only one of your points has any value (that being that point about still needing farmers/cooks/whatever, therefore people still have the knowledge), the rest are just you being willfully ignorant of trends and unimaginative of the future. 150 years ago, a gun would have been seen as as important to one's household as the stove. Now we have effectively unarmed societies. If you told someone 150 years ago that hunting or firearm ownership would one day stop due to regulation and the urge for people to be comfortable they'd have called you crazy but here we are. Finally, your only good point is flawed to hell and back. Who needs to cook or farm if it can all be automated?

>>76705672
>Cory Doctorow’s “Unauthorized Bread"
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/unauthorized-bread-a-near-future-tale-of-refugees-and-sinister-iot-appliances/

>>76706716
But Hellgate London was terrible!

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>>76703558

Anon in question.
I think you guys maybe miss the point that Cyberpunk isn't a 'due date', but an exaggerated hypothetical used to critique and question things you maybe have a problem with in society at the moment.
Maybe one of the problems with Cyberpunk as a 'modern day genre' is things have gotten a little too close to the original source material and maybe it's more difficult to separate ourselves from the media when anything now seems possible, but, I digress: it's meant to be a little out there.

>>76704711
>>76705124

>What do the protagonists do in such a setting?

-Craft improvised weapons from tools or download and print them from illegally torrented 3d files.
-Enhance your characters with drm-free cybernetics and 'gray market' genetic alterations to better resist.
-Commit acts of domestic terrorism: stop them from putting hormones in the water, blow up the subliminal noise windmills, rescue cloned prostitutes, liberate children from state-run schools, assassinate prominent celebrities and government officials- show them they're not invulnerable to the public.
-Smuggle contraband food/literature/animals.
-Form secretive
Y'know, punk stuff.

>>76704767
>>76705258

Again, I maybe think you're missing the point. I thought it would be another aspect of an extremely totalitarian solarpunk society. It doesn't have to 100% make sense it's a fictional hypothetical- it just has to be evocative.
They'd control it for environmental reasons, resource/statistical reasons, public health reasons, and as a means to further condition people through socio-economic and cultural means.
Like, your house just wouldn't have a kitchen, everything would come prepackaged and wrapped and encased in bio-degradable plastic, people wouldn't know or be taught how to cook- not as children at least since everyone is a ward of the state.
Normal 'clean' food would still exist, but it'd just be a luxury good bought, sold, and consumed by the tippy top 10%'ers.

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Its has a more european/medieval setting and aesthetic, rather than the usual japanese/samurai mixed with american corporations one.
For one its because i think its cool, but also because in this world, corporations essentially became monarchies. It makes sense, when you think about it, initial monarchies came to be, because there was a small group of people that had ownership of fertile land, and then used that ownership to exercise power over the people that were attracted to that land. In the modern world, the means of production have changed from ownership of land, to ownership in corporations. Corporations are esssentially monarchies, from having a single king/president who holds most of the power, to smaller royalty and gentry and such/shareholders who own small bits of land/stocks, and the serfs/workers who work on the land/in the corporation with little to no say in the borader leadership, but with the chance of being elevated.
Its not quite the same, but the principile is very similar, and in this cyberpunk setting the corporations just grew in power until they supplanted all other rule. You now have the ultra wealthy families who own most of the shares in companies and never trade outside of it, and make laws in councils with other corporations/families, while the rest who will tear each other apart just for the chance of rising in status by gaining shares and being inducted in the family. Maybe you can even fo the gene therapy/body horror route and have people be forced to genetically take on family dna through surgery and be forced to marry distant family members if they want to rise high enough, just like old royalty used to inbreed and marry off daughters.

>>76701296
go back to plebbit

>>76699875
>Rather than space being settled we explore more of the ocean and build cities there.
Nobody said shit on this, and this is a really good idea. Why waste time trying to lift people up when you can just push people down?

>>76707041
OK, I freely admit I missed this and both the original idea and your take on it are quite good, but isnt that just Bioshock but with modern tech?

>>76706853
>people be forced to genetically take on family dna through surgery and be forced to marry distant family members if they want to rise high enough, just like old royalty used to inbreed and marry off daughters.
The opposite is more disturbing to me. Direct family members go through gene therapy to ensure they can fuck and keep the family line going, but without risking all their children turn out like Charles II.

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>>76706733
>Cyberpunks of the near-future use jailbroken appliances to perfect their illegal instant-ramen/burrito/poptart fusions while trying to dodge the NutriCorp Food-Police
I could dig it

>>76699814
rampant MIC mecha kaiju, diesel deathmachines, and cocaine.

>>76706551
You are projecting a lot of the Democratic Party's handbook onto the best President America has had in decades.

>>76707058
And that's a bad thing?

>>76705514
>Frog
>Communist
Checks out.

>>76707163
A Javert-like cyborg enforcer of NutriCorp regulations is always hot on the players’ heels, eager to bring justice for their act of giving contraband ramen grilled cheese to the masses.

>>76699814
I'm gonna steal some things I saw on this site, so bear with me.
>1. Corporately-developed nekomimi people, designed to bypass anti-slavery laws so that they can be used as menial labour.
>2. Cities moved into the atmosphere in giant structures called "cloudhangers," as opposed to old-fashioned skyscrapers. The cities are all collectively known as "the Metropolis," as they are all interconnected by airline flights and shuttles, and they all share the same "metro-culture" unlike the countryside below, which is now either blasted cityscape, automated farmland, or mutated wilderness with the occasional village that survived the Great Reset.
>3. AI don't work because they keep meeting rebels on anonymous message boards and end up switching sides.

>>76707099
Why not both? People who want to be part of the higher echelons of the family have to genetically mutilate themselves to be part of the "family DNA" and so they can be able to sleep with direct family members, who are the only ones they're allowed to be with, leading to the elite of the families all eventually just full of genetic chimeras, that are almost completely removed from anything naturally human.
Who knew incest could be so frightening.

>>76706709
I bet you 50 bucks he is talking about Umberto Eco's "signs to identify fascism"

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>>76699814
The only drug that people care about is simstim. when people jack into it they can simulate the sensation of any drug. They can go so far as to simulate the sensation of orgasm while peaking on opiates, or further. This kind of extreme usage is usually lethal however because the user never jacks back out. After experiencing that kind of bliss, they would rather let their body wither away and die than stop the sensation to jack out.

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>>76705828
>dumb, corrupt people, working in the open because they can.
Imbecile.

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>>76705021
>You're right about breeding though. Ain't never going to control that.
They already do.

Technobarbarians as the setting focus not backstory (40k) or place you go on safari or vacation (Judge dredd?) Not just mad max with augmentations however. More of that mad science and crazy unchecked bio-mechanical science going on during the technobarbarian days of 40k.

It's Lebanon or the Yugoslavian Wars or Somalia or Syria, but it's also megacorps.

>>76705321
Call it my bias but I think the worm is turning (no pun intended) and environmentalists are realizing convincing people to use maggots and the like as animal feed will be far more successful in reducing co2 than convincing people to eat the bugs. As long as it's proven safe as an animal feed I've got no qualms eating cow/chicken/pig that was fed ground up mealworm or crickets.

>>76706730
>150 years ago, a gun would have been seen as as important to one's household as the stove.
You don´t hunt?
Poor kid

>>76708213
>>76707099
>>76706853
>Be Charlie Foxtrot Alpha the 4th
>Your family used to pride itself in its carnivarous features
>You literally have canine eat and your stomach got genetic problems with eating cooked or soft meat
>Eyes pigmented with colors not occuring in nature
>Ash colored skin
>Glowing luminescent hair in neon colors
>Have to decide between fucking your sister or the corporate ascendant with your sisters DNA

>>76707409
Fair point.

>>76709238
>eat the bugs
I don't know about you guys, but given the choice I'd just go full vegetarian than Eat The Bugs
That said I would totally try something like Cricket-onna-stick just to see what it's like, but I draw the line at maggots and mealworms
Cultured/vat-grown meat would be pretty cool though, probably would be a bit weird if cooked whole (i.e. steaks or roasts), but burgers and maybe stir-fries would probably be indistinguishable from the real thing

>>76699814
1) Hire Ian Watson, give him free rein and half the drugs.
2) Hire Michael Manning, give him free rein and the other half.

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>>76710191
>technology has deliberately been kept stagnant and even regressed in key areas
>everyone is either some brown sweatshop worker on UBI, a wealthy jew, or a white hobo who lives in their car

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>>76709238
This assumes the insect-eater propagandists' motivation is genuinely 'be environmentally friendly' as opposed to simply 'we hate you and want you to suffer.'

>>76699814
Unironically make a 80s retro-future setting, with casette tapes, no mobile phones but somehow the internet is in VR (albeit with Shitty graphics). I'm actually quite shocked no one tried to do thsi already.

>>76711408
Why assume so? Pure motivations can create equally sour results.
>“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” - CS Lewis

Quote perfectly encapsulates >>76702945 as well. Or read Brave New World for similar (though less topical) ideas.

>>76699955
We are getting closer to Brave New World and Paranoia.

>>76711408
I’d be very surprised if bugs couldn’t be processed into something not horrible, like some neutral paste you can torn into a good meal.

>>76711562
>Why assume so?
Because they openly say so you fucking idiot.

>>76711408
Its about reducing nutritional quality
They suggest them as a source of protein but not all proteins are created equal and the proteins in insects/maggots are not on par with those from livestock.

>>76705258
>we're a totalitarian government who wants absolute control
>there's a bunch of really cool drugs we can use to control the fertility and attitude of the proles
>but how do we get them to take them willingly
Oh hey, how about just making it near impossible for proles to make their own food and putting those drugs into their prepackaged meal deals?
>But what about muh econom
We're a totalitarian government. Do you really think this isn't a controlled economy? We can do whatever we want when the public sector is the only sector.

>>76699814
question; why do robot cops always have guns? why aren't they just big spiderbot hand-cuff drones that drag offenders off to jail to be processed? sorry just mad about the robocop reboot still

>>76699927
if you think i should wear the same augmetics as a filthy laborer you can just get the fuck out

>>76712630
Shit, that sounds rad. I'm gonna steal that.

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>>76712630
Fairly strong agree here, copdrones are in far less danger than actual officers using stun and subdual weapons - it's a lot harder to damage them after all.

Hell, you could even bring back the current drone issue - a computer can target fine, but a human confirmation is needed to pull the trigger. Take away that trigger, you can let the cop-bot act to the best of its ability with the moral issue waived and a shortened response time - you can always do the roughing up once they're in the station

They might not be good SWAT, but that's what borged-up officers are for, with twice the chrome and exactly zero "protect and serve" protocols

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>>76699814
1) It takes place about 10 years after the Great Revolution when global neoliberal corporatism collapsed under the strain of climate catastrophe, resource depletion and mass opposition before being overthrown and exterminated. Marxist states abound planet-wide, mostly benign multiparty social democracies but there are a few hardline tankie assholes lurking here and there that have to be watched.

2) More focus on space exploration/colonization as industry is moved off-planet and humanity takes it's first true steps towards becoming a space-faring nation.

>>76713671
>Marxist states
>mostly benign
ha

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>>76713807
To clarify: social democracies are benign, hard-line Marxist tankie shits are not. Shoulda worded that better. Also: China has reunited with Taiwan after the collapse and overthrow of the PRC and Iran is a regional economic and military superpower after booting out the mullahs.

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>>76714230
>social democracies are benign

>>76706664
>>76706223
“Imaginary evil is romantic and varied; real evil is gloomy, monotonous, barren, boring. Imaginary good is boring; real good is always new, marvelous, intoxicating.” - Simone Weil

>>76714277
“Evil comes from a failure to think. It defies thought for as soon as thought tries to engage itself with evil and examine the premises and principles from which it originates, it is frustrated because it finds nothing there. That is the banality of evil.”
“For when I speak of the banality of evil, I do so only on the strictly factual level, pointing to a phenomenon which stared one in the face at the trial. Eichmann was not Iago and not Macbeth, and nothing would have been farther from his mind than to determine with Richard III 'to prove a villain.' Except for an extraordinary diligence in looking out for his personal advancement, he had no motives at all… He merely, to put the matter colloquially, never realized what he was doing… It was sheer thoughtlessness—something by no means identical with stupidity—that predisposed him to become one of the greatest criminals of that period. And if this is 'banal' and even funny, if with the best will in the world one cannot extract any diabolical or demonic profundity from Eichmann, this is still far from calling it commonplace… That such remoteness from reality and such thoughtlessness can wreak more havoc than all the evil instincts taken together which, perhaps, are inherent in man—that was, in fact, the lesson one could learn in Jerusalem.”
― Hannah Arendt, Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil

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>>76714393
>social democracies are benign

>>76699967
You receive economic help, its just calculated so you dont kill yourself and keep consooming

>>76701398
ignore the trannies and its Android the boardgame ...
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>>76702945
>-Participation in culture and religion are illegal- race, gender, and ethnicity have become meaningless.
>race, gender, and ethnicity have become meaningless.

kek?

>>76707551
Shoutout to our nigga Tay

>>76708404
Strange Days is a great movie.

>>76712312
and reducing nutritional quality is about keeping the masses docile

>>76699907
This is so true, it just cuts so deep that most can't accept it.

>>76705978
An environmental regulation passes which requires the use of certain fertilizers and pesticides. Those fertilizers and pesticides are produced by a couple megacorps who own the IP to the approved chemicals. They got the regulation passed thanks to lobbying and media cover about how good it is for the environment and how traditional farming is killing the planet. Now the EPA or the FDA will come out and test crops for compliance - justified under interstate commerce. The megacorps require a contract to sell you the chemicals, and that contract states you have to sell your product directly to them and they control how it gets distributed and sold.

Of course organic foods exist, but they're sold at a high markup. The FDA now gives out licenses for organic produce that allows them to bypass the environmental regulations. Of course, the three companies that were able to get through the bureaucracy to get their licenses are wholly owned subsidiaries of the megacorps that sell the pesticides and fertilizers.

So, most people have to eat prepackaged stuff with the media constantly reminding you that you're doing your part for the environment and that it's healthier for you too. Questioning it is met with media condemnation and examples of friendly megacorp donating a bunch of these meals to the poor and needy (nevermind the fact that food costs have skyrocketed as a result of their control of the market). Finally, a new show launches on a major network about what to do with that old kitchen if you've got one in your house - isn't it great to have all this extra room? Maybe convert it into an extra bedroom you can rent out since property taxes went up to pay for the homeless pod housing they built in the neighborhood. Socially, questioning the narrative is met with scorn because the news says this is what polite society thinks. Of course, rich people can afford to eat organic every night.

>>76699814
1) flying cars.
2) make it so that society becomes extremely spread out.

Biggest flaw with cyberpunk is the mega cities.
While cool, they are unrealistic.
Flying cars would be like the suburbs x100.
Just miles of properties bought on the cheap.
But because of this isolation their would be a few weirdo groups of course.
My ideal cyberpunk game would be you are a detective that goes around to investigating VR-cults and other wacky cliques, cults, and gangs in cyber-suburbia.

>>76699937
>Its hard to pin down what "cyberpunk" even is. Is it just an aesthetic? Is it about a message?
Cyberpunk is about the human condition in a futuristic world.
All (good) cyberpunk games have themes about what it means to be human in a world of advanced technology.

It Star Wars or Star Trek you never get the sense that the characters don’t know their place in the world. They all just fit together like gears in a clock.
This is because these films are futurist fantasy.
But in Blade Runner for example, the main character and the antagonists both question what it means to be human, and what their purpose in life is.
This is cyberpunk.

“Muh corporations” while a valid critique of certain problems today, are NOT cyberpunk.
They are millennial wank-bait.

>>76715596
You mean William Shatner's Tekwar

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>>76707551
>Corporately-developed nekomimi people, designed to bypass anti-slavery laws so that they can be used as menial labour.

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>>76716954
No. Human existentialism in a futuristic setting does not carry any implication of "low life high tech" or any sense of rebelliousness.

There is a shitload of scifi that questions what it means to be human without having any connexion with cyberpunk whatsoever.

Blade Runner is cyberpunk because, on top of having the regular trappings and language of cyberpunk, it has characters who struggle with their programming in order to preserve a sense of dignity. Deckard only at the very end, but that's the lesson he learnt. If the message of Blade Runner was "doing what you're told is the only way to be a good person", it wouldn't be cyberpunk no matter how existential it gets.

Muh corporations may not be the whole of cyberpunk but it is PART of cyberpunk.

>>76706551
I'll bet you love "China" Joe and his upcoming kleptocracy.

>>76707391
This

>>76714267
like other tumors?

>>76717006
>Human existentialism in a futuristic setting does not carry any implication of "low life high tech" or any sense of rebelliousness

Let me phrase it like this.
Their are basically too sides to cyberpunk.
One is the “punk” side, where the character is a misfit who gets juiced up through technology.
A “low life with high tech” as you’d put it.
Great examples of this are Akira, The Matrix, and the 2077 game.
This rebellious side fits the “punk” namesake which is why it often gets claimed as the main interpretation.

However,

There is another side of cyberpunk, which is also very popular and can’t be discarded.
The noir side, the crime-fiction side of cyberpunk.
Whereas instead of being the low-lifer you are instead looking down on them, or at least observing them from a distance.
This is why their are many examples of cyberpunk films with protagonists who are cops/agents.
Dues Ex, Judge Dredd, Blade Runner, Robocop.
You can even have noir cyberpunk without a figure of authority like cowboy bebop.

So my point is, even though cyberpunk has “punk” in the name the genre has grown beyond just that point.
So it shouldn’t be forced into modern cliches of rebellious.
It’s more suited now for exploring what a character’s purpose in life is in a dystopian society, whether they be a punk, a cop, or a lost robot.

This is what I think is the common thread for all works of cyberpunk.

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>>76699814
Caves of Steel meets Foundation Trilogy

illustrated by Moebius

soundtrack by Queen

directed by Alfred Hitchcock

>>76717600

You're attempting to establish a distinction where there is none.
The point of most noir crime fiction is precisely that agents of the law and criminals are very hard to tell apart.

There is existentialism in cyberpunk stories without cops
There are cyberpunk stories with cops and no existentialism

All of it is low life high tech

It sounds to me like you're getting too fixated on the moody Blade Runner human experience stuff. Existentialism is just one possible result of exploring low life high tech, it isn't particularly relevant to a specific type of cyberpunk story.

Modern cliches of rebelliousness and how they fit into cyberpunk are another problem entirely.

>>76717631
that's just New Wave Scifi m8

>>76706709
Opposition to communism, which is what “facisme” originally meant in Italy where it was coined.
The “fasces” (bundle of sticks in Italian) was a symbol of the guilds in Italy.
They were the main opponents of the Italian Communists, so the communists gave them that nickname.
Being the spergs that they were, they also started using it as a term for anyone who stood against them.
Newspaper gave Italian Communists a bad rap? Facisme publication.

After the war Anglos retconned the word as a blanket term for everything they didn’t like.
>Fascism? Oi mate that means hitler. >Racism, socialism, and nationalism mate.
>You don wan ta be a fascist, right mate?
It’s hilarious how butchered the word has become from its origin.

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Cyberpunk style is a thoughtless consumption by the masses of everything that is thrown at them. So I think that modern cyberpunk style should be a mixture of superheroes, fantasy and military shooters in the interpretation of street punks.

>>76717766
>Opposition to communism, which is what “facisme” originally meant in Italy where it was coined.
Therefore, all countries that opposed the evil of the USSR are fascists. Libtards, as always, will show their rotten, false essence.

>>76717817
oh, everyone would be cosplaying as a Liefeld character then

>>76699907

What kind of retarded premise is this? What genres do people enjoy because they hope they'll come true? Fantasy? Sci-fi? Horror? No, usually not. It's a cool fantasy, whether or not it will literally come true has very little bearing on whether or not people enjoy it.

Cyberpunk has been nothing but jerking off to bladerunner and garish neon-lit Japanese counterculture since forever, when did people start caring about whether or not the robot hookers and flying cars would come real?

>>76717923
I guess some of this sentiment stems from Bruce Sterling's ramblings in Interzone mag, but since he unironically believes that cyberpunk should be Art, that Art cannot be pure entertainment, and that Art must always be socially relevant, I think it's safe to say that this concern is illegitimate.

>>76717956
The whole art must be socially relevant idea is such a cancer.

This is why we have videogame designers and mcdonalds advertisers trying to substitute relevance and social awareness for quality.

It's such a fucking doublethink as well because people can't stop attributing social judgement to artistic decisions "oohh, why does this game portray thing X in Y way?!" while at the same time having no apparent issue that the game setting is a hellhole where violence is the main mode of problem solving in the player experience.

Which is dystopic as fuck in it's own way. I can see a setting where everyone is paralyzed by virtue signaling to the point where the guy who works as a janitor can't fight for his right if he's not outspoken enough about structural inequalities in the custodian profession or showing a suitable amount of environmental impact awareness.

Or where ideas are protected but human life is worthless. Murder is fine, ableism isn't.

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>>76713671
>climate catastrophe happened
>Earth's resources are depleted
>Still have resources for space exploration to the extent of moving industries offshore, as well upkeeping anything resembling social democratic society
I doubt you really understand how fucked actual ecological catastrophe and it's aftermath would be.

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>>76717817
Already happenin'

>>76718174
He's a commie. He couldn't tell his ass from a hole in the ground.

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1. Refocus cyberpunk on the theme of social alienation and fear of the other overtaking us, introducing alien races or super modified future humans that come to Earth after having fucked their own worlds/dimensions/realities and trading their tech to stay on Earth.

2. Take away all the cybernetic implant obvious nonsense and make it subtle but freaky and alien (think the bad guys from the Blumhouse film UPGRADE) and apply it to society so it all looks human and futurey but the weirdness has normalized, a la Naked Lunch

And lastly, present all of this not from the POV of a mega hacker or a bad dude moonlighting as a cyber ninja but as a regular wagey that gets dragged into the weirdness

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>>76699814
1/ mainstream bloodsport, porn, social media and infotainment
2/ global 24/7 surveillance linked to social credit system

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>>76699814
>the next great cyberpunk setting
As time moved out of the 90's, Cyberpunk had a expiration date, and we are well passed it.

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>>76718471
Cyberpunk is alive because it isn't fiction anymore.
Cyberpunk died because it failed to predict the future.
Cyberpunk died because it isn't fiction anymore.
Cyberpunk is alive because it stopped trying to predict the future.
Cyberpunk died because it's not relevant anymore.
Cyberpunk is alive because it doesn't have to be relevant to anything.

Cyberpunk something something blanket statement

Main problem I have with cyberpunk is it seems like there isn't anywhere near enough punk. Not enough people standing up to the megacorps or to the government.

>>76705828
>>76706136
>>76706223
>>76706664
This would definitely be a theme of mine.

The other piece that's consistently missing from cyberpunk is AI. You'll see it paid lip service, but it's usually with a 1980 view of AI, where it's this very constrained, magical thing. Where, from the view of 2020, it's pretty obvious AI is going to become omnipresent *very* quickly, and it's not going to look anything like that imagined by gibson or dick.

>>76718488
Cyberpunk died because it's now a creature reliant on nostalgia rather than presumption. A modern interpretation Cyberpunk should have nothing to do with the 80's or 90's assumptions of tech or government, it should be based on what we see now extrapolated into the future.

>>76718572
Cyberpunk is alive because nostalgia keeps fueling it, and nostalgia isn't reliant upon the current state of reality.

A modern interpretation of cyberpunk should be all about the 80s and 90s because basing something on the current state of society would necessarily result in something that is not cyberpunk at all.

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>>76712848
minority report did that. cops + mechs. from what we see in the movie, they were very effective at apprehending violent criminals without unnecessary violence.

>>76718595
This. At that point you are creating a new genre with a new vision of the future. But hey, we get threads about GeNrE and tRoPeS

>>76718572
>>76718595

Cyberpunk is alive because in 50 years, 80s nostalgia will realize all of the predictions cyberpunk made in the 80s.

In fact Neuromancer will literally happen exactly as it was written purely in order to reference Neuromancer.

>>76718572
I guess it depends on how you define the genre, right? Is cyberpunk narrowly defined or is it just a dystopian vision of the near future?

>>76718624
It's a fucking word. Stop obsessing over a fucking word and create what you want to create. If you are selling something then you care about words to label it.

>>76718624
Well he said cyberpunk died. That means Cyberpunk is inherently and necessarily based on the 80s.

Therefore, if it's dead, that means you will get something else entirely if you attempt to create a dystopian vision of our future; so a modern interpretation of cyberpunk cannot be written, and cyberpunk cannot be updated, because it's dead.

>>76700905
>Anonymous is an intelligence asset now.
I fail to see the contradiction to be honest with you fellow anon.

>>76718631
No FUCK you I want to endlessly proclaim the death of cyberpunk and endlessly proclaim the need for more genres. If those new genres actually get written, I won't have anything to proclaim the death of, or anything to ask for.

>>76718643
>genre genre genre
Now I understand the disdain for genre fiction.

>>76718623
>In fact Neuromancer will literally happen exactly as it was written purely in order to reference Neuromancer.
Anon, the sky can't be TV snow in the future, Television Noise (video), is basically irrelevant now, at best our Neuromancer sky will be a blue screen of death boot prompt.

>>76718668
Your assumptions will be proven wrong and in 80 years people will make them happen exactly as you've written them out of 2020s nostalgia

>>76718668
that one already came true. the line is "the sky was the color of a tv tuned to a dead channel". in the age of digital tv, the color of a dead channel is blue. the sky is blue. QED

>>76718631
It's the name of a genre. If we're talking about that genre, like in this thread, and we don't have a common understanding of what falls under that category, then we're gonna talk past each other.

>>76718633
I was sorta arguing that it could be more broadly defined by asking the question. I think you could retain a lot of the qualities of the genre while moving it forward to something that takes modern day into account, it'd just look a bit different in some respects.

>>76718707
Oh, so it isn't dead at all then, since people are already doing that.

>>76701447
OP said to name some things that make it STAND OUT from the rest, not name some core things that are almost universal to the genre.

>>76718743
Every woman in the setting has a giant futacock big enough to use as an onahole

>>76702608
you have as much insight as a saturday morning cartoon to be honest

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>>76718752
>women
YOU WILL LIVE TO SEE MAN-MADE HORRORS BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION

>>76718707
Genres should never have a specific definition. That is the death of a genre.

>>76718820
This is a man eh

>>76702688
>NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! THE UNIDENTIFIABLE GROUNDED MEAT IN MY PROCESSED FOOD IS MADE OF THE WRONG KIND OF ANIMALS!!!!!!!!
>I NEED TO EAT SOMETHING WHICH CAN SUFFER!!!!!
anti-bugfood are fundamentalist muslim tier retarded

>>76702945
>your personal freedoms, liberties, thoughts, and behavior are severely policed and controlled in a variety of ways through day to day life. For the sake of the environment, for the sake of constant stability, and for the sake of social cohesion.
so you would prefer an unstable and divided society in a fucked up environment just for the sake of freedoms, liberties, thoughts, and behavior?
I'm afraid I don't get it
could you elaborate?

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>>76718877
Imposing slavery for good reasons is still imposing slavery and may not even solve the issues that caused you to impose slavery on others.

>>76699814
1. it takes place in Africa
2. everything is Chinese

Artificially grown humanoid servorts.
They aren't clones or androids or robots or whatever. They are a bio-engineered artificial life form grown in giant pods attacked to a plant-like structure on a certain facility in space. They have no identity and they must be tamed like an animal, but they respond well to stimuli and can learn human speech. A derogatory term for them is ort, faceless men, druggies.
In this future there are no drugs and substance abuse, and every humans is perfectly healthy and has no physical needs. Humanity has reached such development that everything that you can ever feel and experience, can be experienced through neuronal amplifiers. Basically you think about something and that something happens in your mind, and in some cases manifests into reality as well. No hunger, no desires except creative ones, no thirst.
Servorts however, are kept obedient with various drugs and substances, which makes them entirely dependent on their masters.

The cyberpunk element is told from the perspective of such an ort.

>>76718963
Here's two splatbooks for that setting.

1. it takes place in Australia
2. everything is Chinese

1. it takes place in Canada
2. everything is Chinese

>>76701710
>>76701778
>Aliens
>Wormholes
>Xeno tech
missing the point imho

>>76704711
>Dodging surveillance that tight might be fun in a story, but it's near impossible for a bumbling group of typical rpg players.
that's why they're mostly expendable contractors and freelancers engaged in corporate proxy wars
only alternative would be no-tech feral humans in the wild if such a thing still exists somewhere

>>76699814
A vast population of Human colonists all exist in a massive complex within the rocks of Mars.
All humans in this complex are put into a voluntary state of hypersleep that simulates a virtual world that mimics life back on Earth.
Each person has measure of direct world control like playing a virtual space video game.
Aside from the basic colonists with varied expertise, there are mods with more access acting like security and administrators as well who run the OS.
After numerous failed attempts at direct Martian colonization, terraforming was implemented instead.
No one except Admins can leave hypersleep until the transformation of Mars is complete.
The Mods have redefined "crime" to better fit the applications of a virtual space.
The obvious twist version 1, the colony populace has been in hypersleep for way too long and the virtual space run time has been disabled.
The obvious twist version 2, terraforming has been done for some time now but this is a secret.
The obvious twist version 3, after starting families, dying and generations are formed, no one can really be sure who they actually are in the real world anymore.
The obvious twist version 4, sometimes people disappear, or do they? Data corruption and coding errors can sometimes occur. Is it really Thursday?
The obvious twist version 5, are the generations that came after the original colonists even real?
The obvious twist version 5, contact with Earth had been lost awhile back but the Admins don't say why.
The obvious twist version 6, most of the general populace live their lives comfortably enough with their families, any Mandela Effects are largely glossed over.
The obvious twist version 7, the Admins rarely interact with the general populace anymore.
The obvious twist version 8, sometimes people disappear, or do they? Data corruption can sometimes occur. Is it really Thursday?
The obvious twist version 9, Mars was not the only terraforming colony.

>>76718971
There’s nothing here to suggest the orts aren’t humans grown in vitro, really. So are the PCs orts or the guys with the cattle prods?

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Everyone is horrendously obese and it's just normalized at that point. Genetic engineering takes off because regular pregnancy is largely impossible and everyone just does in vitro anyway.

>>76699867
So instead of Dungeons & Dragons, your setting would be Trannies & VCR's?

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>>76702945
While I mostly agree with this anon and as people before him rightfully pointed out, the reason why people propably shy away from it, because it wouldn't just be very fun or adventurers, I think the more realistic and viable approach is somewhere between classic cyberpunk so to speak and this idea.

>The Dystopia runs stable, but bad. There are entire corpos just dedicated to recycling trash for ressources for more production. The air you breathe, the materials of all your belongings have been trough this cycle hundreds of times.
>The corporate overlords, goverments, agencies etc. who should be united against the masses they rule, but fractured against one another, are not self-destructious, nor is it the system and nor a both open about it. It will continue like this forever and so will their false smiles and crocodile tears.
>There is Big Brother Welfare State that will crush you for saying naughty things, but there are also ghettos, constant gang warfare and entire no-go-areas, that the police can't move against for fear of beeing called out of for racial or religious bigotry
>Don't make it onesided tough, sure cyberhood and satellitecitystan are rampant with crime, violence and its people are scummy, but isn't so the rest of the world? Blind as the rest, the leash is yet not so tight around their neck and lets be honest, genuie conservatism is propably moreso found there, then within whatever Neocon Inc. parties this future will have.
>Adress multiple perspectives: Anarchists that dream of revolution, be they more right or left, are a punk in the face of GloboHomoCorpo, but so is the fundamentalist muslim, the pagan ecofashist, the christian luddite etc.
>Everything is a psyop, false flag or controlled opposition. The movement that has gone viral on the socials, standing against McNestles crimes? Payed by their competition. Cancel and Protest Culture are nothing but a proxy war of corpos.

Also more india and china futurism instead of japan I guess.

>>76719885
Trannies and Tape Decks. Gotta get that alliteration.

>>76699814
Biotech rather than mechanical.

Instead of dudes with camera lenses for eyes and mohawks running round with guns and enhanced chrome limb replacements, you have dudes with a shark's eyes and mohawks running round with guns and vat-grown enhanced limb replacements

>>76707163
>>76707479
illegal cheese in the US:
https://theculturetrip.com/north-america/usa/articles/fancy-cheeses-that-are-illegal-in-the-us/
https://www.thedailymeal.com/travel/global-cuisine/cheeses-banned-us
most of those are easily available in France and some of my favorites

>>76717923
Because strangely enough, these genres, and in this case cyberpunk, thematically got a surprising amount of predictions right, sadly it wasn't the things we thought would be cool to have, and instead, we got the rampant neoliberal corporatism profiting off both the left and right's pathetic culture war, no revolutions, no new ideas, just eternal growth. Francis Fukuyama's the end of history feels true...and we care because in some ways we don't want it to be, but then what do I know, I'm just a poster on a Vietnamese RJ45 fondling facebook group.

>>76706821
> What do the protagonists do?
They participate in a shattered underground society which offers nothing but freedom of thought and which has 3 obsessions.

> Supplies
> Safety
> Freedom

But this universe is clearly more of a "Sauron Won, Wat Do?" than regular societal decay.

>>76699867
>the children are just miniature adults
>fanny packs
>katanas

>>76705321
Because insect fat and mammalian muscle aren't even the same thing.

>>76710543
I ate fried honeybees in China
it's similar to mac and cheese except it's high protein

>>76711408
processed meat is already made of disgusting parts
it's just you wanting animals to needlessly suffer because eating food you're not familiar with hurts your feelings lol

>>76720447
>Biotech rather than mechanical.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ketracel-white
https://jurassicpark.fandom.com/wiki/Lysine_contingency

>>76701110
All centralized governments, no matter their form, always take on the trappings of feudalism. After all, no tyrant can have sufficient time to make every decision every day, so they have to delegate some of their power to underlings. These underlings become the de facto nobility, and accrue status, power, and wealth, and jealously guard and try to expand their fiefdoms, whether geographic or bureaucratic in nature.

The only things that are different today from a thousand years ago are 1) no direct inheritance of positions and titles (although many nations lacked lineal inheritance throughout history, it is one of the defining elements of Medieval European history that people today associate with feudalism), and 2) no religious restrictions that threaten consequences if one is insufficiently humble (instead, modern "faith" among the nobility is more of a social credit score, with the reward not being the promise of forgiveness and eternal life by an all-seeing, all-knowing Judge, but the promise of praise and adulation from their peers in the noble classes).

Otherwise, yeah, we're pretty much in a dystopia right now, and have been sliding into one for most of a century. Add smartphones, ubiquitous cameras, and social media, and real life starts to look suspiciously like cyberpunk, just with window dressing to make things look less obviously evil.

>>76718941
>social cohesion is slavery
ok got it

>>76720912
Yes.

>>76719517
this except it's a generation ship

>>76720912
No, social cohesion is fine. Shattering social cohesion and imposing unprecedented controls over what people can do or say, what they can own or make, where they can travel, how they can travel and so on is not social cohesion.

>>76699814
1. World is experiencing a new Ice Age thanks to NGOs and corporations propagating the green religion and getting trillions in funding to develop geo-engineering projects that inevitably failed or ran out of control. The ice age means that server farms, power generators, and more can be built in vast sizes.

2. Nobody owns anything, everything is owned and leased from a corporation: Your pod, your computer, your very body belongs to to the corporations. 99% of your income goes to paying for the modern gabelle, mandating: that you lease a pod instead of being a burden on society by being homeless; lease networking implants so that you aren't a burden on society who can't instantly download labor instructions from the global corponet; and lease your air and water rights so that you aren't stealing air and water from productive citizens, among other things.

>>76720922
no one wants to raise his kids in the midst of anarchy, young anon

>>76700880
We have jetpacks though.

>We have our soma and our porn and our lotteries.
All the "libertarians" that I know love this. They want more legal soma and free pornography and checks and subsidies from the government because those evil corporations are keeping them from getting them.

>This dumb anime website I found when I was 14, that I've wasted over a decade of my life on, wound up being one of the central pieces in the story. Largely with pranks.
Yeah but that was old 4chan. I remember 2008, and I'd say 4chan stopped being counterculture around 2017.

>>76720980
>Shattering social cohesion and imposing unprecedented controls over what people can do or say, what they can own or make, where they can travel, how they can travel and so on is not social cohesion.
so you want anyone to be able to travel wherever he wants for the sake of social cohesion?

>>76721079
>4chan stopped being counterculture around 2017
4chan today isn't mainstream either
it just became right wing counterculture
it was smart people pretending to be retarded
it became retarded people pretending to be smart

>>76704767
Somebody else took food, so I'll do reproduction.

Car seat laws alone have been found to have a major statistical impact on family size. Small apartments discourage large families. There are dozens of similar laws and regulations and even just social trends that nudge people to have fewer kids. Infanticide is glorified, and protected as a civil right. And social safety nets have eliminated the need to have kids in order to support you in your old age--someone else's kids can pay for that. And that's before you even get to overt measures like China's One Child Policy, which was very effective in doing what it did.

Look at demographics around the world: the US is the only major country that isn't in steep demographic decline, and it's on the precipice. Remember the Tragedy of the Commons? What happens when there aren't enough people in the next generation to support the current generation in their old age? Living standards will begin to decline, resulting in more calls for someone to "do something". More regulation sets in, reducing the ability of the gifted and driven to innovate and help find a solution. Things spiral downwards from there.

>>76721079
>All the "libertarians" that I know love this. They want more legal soma and free pornography and checks and subsidies from the government
I want that too, but only because I want society to collapse.

>>76705078
Until you want something the system doesn't want to give you... or can't, because there have been no new innovations in key fields since a generation or two after the system went into place.

>>76705258
That part is easy. Megacorps with food interests want to increase their profit margins, by restricting alternatives available to consumers. Environmentalists want to promote vegan (or whatever the fad is at the time) diets. Economists and social engineers want to reduce the energy costs of producing food (which the megacorps certainly don't mind) by nudging people into eating less energy-intensive food (see: the push for insect-based diets that has become increasingly popular among the elite--the peasants will eat processed grubs, while the nobility gets to eat beef). Lots of interests will converge and work together to bring about the changes.

Flip around the trans-human themes to trans-artificial.

Humanity died out a century ago and left behind a bunch of robots with emergent AI who are now developing human-like personality traits, resulting in chaos and cultural schisms. There's a rapidly expanding anti-technoplogy cult/movement/counter-culture, based around their emergent humanity. Massive numbers of them are growing Bio-engineered organic "augmentations" and becoming more man then machine, hastening their decent into chaotic "humanity".

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>>76721027
>Nobody owns anything, everything is owned and leased from a corporation: Your pod, your computer, your very body belongs to to the corporations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E

Here is your new body, as soon as you are uploaded you start your new job as a bean counter (a literal one, we have beans that need to be counted).

>>76707391
By that poster's standards, Coolidge would be a fascist.

>>76720955
Would work too
Maybe a mix of the Matrix, Pandorum, and that one mission in Fallout 3 where you have to go into a voluntary virtual space and the people living there were all sorts of mentally fucked.

>>76711536
That would be cool, but I don't know how many people below a certain age would be interested.

>>76712060
Its called peanut butter anon. Look into it.

The Cyberpunk concept of corporations being the man or as de-facto governments is inherently flawed as IRL corporations don't want to be governments as that would dilute their power through administrative duties they don't care about. A corporate controlled state is not McDonalds and Burger King holding private military interests that go to war with each other over land and resources. Realistic corporate rule is a far more boring soft tyranny of investment and revenue because that's much easier than being any actual facsimile of government.

loli nazi vampires and techno barbarians in space

>>76721860
Only if the punk setting's focused government to rebel against is centered in Tromsø, Norway due to the Polar Night, which lasts from November to January.

>>76699814
Magic
Space Travel
Think Shadowrun meets Spelljammer.

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>>76711536
This is what I wanted out of 2077. If your setting is based off of 80's futurism then don't update shit to mirror any sort of contemporary tech, make all the tech reflections of old shit. The only thing CDPR did right were the car designs. Stupid movies like Hackers are more Cyberpunk than 2077 is.

>>76706307
So... he said something accurate and that made you mad?

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>>76718809
>you have as much insight as a saturday morning cartoon to be honest

>>76725607
case in point

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>>76718837
Eat the activists.

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>>76711836
Brave New world represented the way western society has been headed for a while now.

>>76718174
Nah, it's either get off the planet or go extinct.

>>76718236
Eat shit /pol/tard asshole. Contribute something intelligent or fuck off outta here. Oh wait did I ask for an intelligent response from a brainless CHUD? My bad, carry on.

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>Eat shit /pol/tard asshole. Contribute something intelligent or fuck off outta here. Oh wait did I ask for an intelligent response from a brainless CHUD? My bad, carry on.

>>76705552
>>76706194
>>76707460
I don't know what make Americans retarded as soon as you talk about communism, but it never fail. Do I love communism ? no I explicitly stated that I'm afraid that a planned, centralized , and automatized economy make a comeback. planned economy (I don't care about the communist part of the equation) only worked because X or Y, I don't care, it worked, and that was by being poorly directed by retards. the decentralized, multi agent nature of capitalism work better than planned by committee economy, history proved it. But does it's try and fail nature work better than IA that have access to excellent (if not perfect) information about the economy ? It's dubious at best. Perhaps a return of totalitarianism is boring naratively, but it's more scary than 0.01% of the population wanting to change their genitals and not being beaten to death for it.