Try with the topic next time.

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>>82410827
Also, here: https://gitlab.com/WhiteZhark/fight-club/-/raw/main/FightClub.txt

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>>82410827
Usagi best girl.

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>>82411173
If Usagi Limbcleaver is so great why hasn't she cleaved any limbs yet?

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>>82411173
I guess it is almost time to give the fans what they really want.
>>82411211
She crippled both of Lug's arms end of last thread, but I guess they weren't cleaved OFF so it doesn't count. She's gotta step it up if she's going to compete with Grishnak.

This fight might not happen immediately, as I'm going to eat dinner and such first. And I'd like to find someone to play one of them across from me, since it's such a high profile fight.

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>>82410827
I want to get into this. What do?

>>82411263
>pick game
>make characters in game
>make them fight it out
>explain to us whats happening, turn by turn, or whatever the system you choose uses
its simple.

>>82411263
>Create a sheet in any system you want
>Put the character to fight with another character
>Post results for us to see how cool the fight was and how the system works

You can also instead of doing the fights, post finished sheets for other anons.

>>82411263
slap a 100 point character together in GURPS

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>>82411263
You've got four basic options.
>Run a game and tell us about it.
Any game is fine. These have mostly been GURPS, but we're here to show anon's our favorite games and have fun with it.
>Make a character for the fights.
If you hand in a finished character sheet for GURPS, I or someone else WILL run at least one fight with it. If it's for another game with no active AM, well, you may have a wait I'm afraid.
GURPS fighters have mostly been TL4, 100pts, 50 disad, under 5 grand in gear, and 'no cheese,' which more or less means a 100pt swordsman should have a chance against them. No 6d eye lasers or Malediction: Sudden Head Explosions.
If you post something dumb like a space marine, I'll still run it at least once for your effort, against something.
>Post character art and ask to see your Waifu in a fight.
The more descriptive you get the more likely someone will make the character, but you're sort of at the whims and free time of others here.
>Cheer from the stands
Place bets, commentate, write greentext. Any way you want to contribute is fine by me.

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>>82411360
>Post character art and ask to see your Waifu in a fight.
This is a terrible idea. Stat her. I'm thinking something along the lines of "smoke body-doubles."

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>>82411238
Can Anna afford any SL upgrades? Its kind of thematic imo. They get more skilled as they fight more fights

>>82411474
I think it would make sense to align SL caps with point limit brackets but figuring out the breakpoints might be a little bit tricky. I imagine if SL upgrades are legal from the get-go, then more optimization oriented character builders would just dump all points into main weapon skill after every fight. Perhaps for every X fights or Y points earned, a fighter's SL cap is raised by 1?

>>82411173
Speaking of Usagi I was thinking of giving her a SM+1 axe. That'd actually put 1 handed use at a -1 penalty for her.

>>82411474
>>82411543
I think it SL caps should only get raised every like... 20 points?
However taking techniques could be a play, it'd encourage really diversifying what can be done rather than pumping raw SL

>>82411428
That's...actually a really cool idea for a fighter. Might be pretty strong, I'll throw it on the idea bin.
>>82411474
If I'm counting right. (I lose track easily, I should make a spreadsheet...)
She's got 6pts to spend. One more fight and she can afford the last rank in her style talent. (7pts) It may be better for her to save for it than to buy a rank in Sword for 4pts now.
>>82411543
Instead of applying math to it, a simple solution may simply be "you can only raise your SL to that of the best opponent you've faced (Or beaten, or lost to?), +1."
So if the starting cap is 16, nobody can just buy their way to 20 until they hone their skills against peers.

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>>82411590
Is it possible to pump techniques above SL? If so those might need some limit as well, otherwise it seems good. I think I recall someone not liking taking Targeted Attacks as a technique though, so if the AMs prefer to avoid that I can note it in the txt.

>>82411625
To be honest that seems trickier to keep track of than pure math, so my personal vote is for a hard number of points earned. 20 might be a bit high though since that would mean winning 10 times or losing 5 times, so I propose that the SL cap increases every 12 points (6 victories or 3 losses).

>>82411428
>a zdradafag
Oh lordy.

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New amazon rabbit just dropped. Now she has disarming technique so she can disarm before she dis-arms. Her axe is also actually the right size for her; like in her image it also has a small pointy bit on the top as well.
>>82411690
>Is it possible to pump techniques above SL?
Yes but those are usually ones that have some massive usage penalty, like disarm which is like -6 for most uses.

To answer some Conan questions from the previous thread >>82409669
>How's the core die mechanic work?
You get 1 success for each die that rolls equal/under the TN, then another success if the die also rolls equal/under the focus number for that skill (which is usually the 1-3 range). Default roll is 2d20 but there are various ways to purchase more dice. Modiphius uses the same basic engine for all their games (Dune, John Carter,Fallout etc) but they generally differ in attributes and how TNs are calculated. Conan is on the crunchier end
>What's an effect and how do you get it?
They're symbols that occur on combat dice, which are just a relabelled d6. 1 and 2 = that much damage respectively, 3 and 4 = blank, 5 and 6 = 1 damage + effect. Effect usage depends on what qualities your weapon has. Hypatia's bow had Piercing 1 which let her ignore one point of armor soak for each effect rolled, while Ulrike's crossbow could spend effects on extra damage provided she used Exploit the previous turn.
>Momentum is an effect-currency you get for MoS? That's rad, but where'd the bonus momentum in turn 4 come from?
Correct. The 2 bonus momentum came from attacking a prone target with a ranged weapon at close range

>>82412052
Very cool, anon, thank you for explaining. I thought that was it on the bonus momentum, but my brain didn't want to process it entirely.
I've been working on a game based on a totally different 2d20 principle, so I'd been fairly curious what this other 2d20 engine I keep hearing about was and how it functioned.
Would Ulrike be boned after that shot, or are the turns abstract enough a crossbow's not a huge action economy liability? I get an impression towards the latter.

>>82412121
You could fire off a crossbow every turn without penalty, but it's (probably, I'm still fairly new to the game) tactically more sound to go for the Exploits as it has some pretty monster damage potential if you land a hit. The thing that really boned Ulrike was taking two wounds before her first turn, as it penalised both her attack and defense

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>>82411590
>>82411625
Yeah idk trying to parry Usagi's arms off is probably the best approach

>>82411798
>>82411474
I propose that BEFORE upgrades we do an actual TOURNEY

With brackets, named characters participating on it for their own reasons and so on. We randomly decide who fights who and do like a regular tourney.

>>82413234
Are we doing single-elimination or do the losers fight in their own bracket until we have the winner and the best of the losers fight?

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>>82413295
These fights take time, say we do the winner, and then, if we still have steam, we do the losers fight. Maybe a battle royale with them lol

>>82413234
I'm going to get this Anna vs Usagi fight done one way or another before anything else tonight. ideally.
After that I'm down for a tournament. We have 10 100pt characters. 11 if we count steve. So we either roll with 10 or need 1-2 more.
>>82413342
Single elimination; but losers have a battle royale then fight the champion sounds pretty cool.

>>82413342
> a battle royale
If we did something like that I'd want multiple people helping out. Just having someone dedicated to writing the events would speed everything up massively; the slowest part is stopping to do a turn writeup.

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>>82413295
If there's few enough competitors, a double-elimination tournament might be fun. That would also depend on the survival rate of matches though

I'd also like to see a bit more variety in arenas. Go all Coliseum on this shit

>>82413931
Making more arenas is on my to-do list. But it's a big damn list.
If you can find me stuff like that without squares, I can start an Arenas folder in the box.

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>Judges/Announcers and Commentators of the Tourney
>Tarkhan, The Destroyer
>Harikina-chan

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>>82411728
I'm an "Every-girl Best-girl" fag.

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someone stat this widowed grade 1 fixer

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>>82411238
Alright. Getting my shit together. Sorry for the delay, folks. A bit under the weather today and had to start plotting a long march for my Saturday game.

Anna will save her points for now. I'm torn between getting her the last level in her style talent or some new techniques and lifting strength for armor.
Usagi was changed as her author describes.
Anna is the faster combatant and will go first.
>Turn 1
Anna closes by 6 to 12
Usagi walks forward leisurely, evaluating.
>Turn 2
Step/Evaluate mirror.
>Turn 3
Again. But Anna steps back to maintain the range at 9y
>Turn 4
Anna dashes to range 2 for an MaA. There's a houserule that Evaluate adjusts the cap on this, so she makes her roll capped at 11. Critical hit on a 4. Result 11: no additional effect. Random location, Usagi takes 18 injury to the neck!
She remains upright and fails her berserk CR! She's immune to pain and stunning, but MUST AoA every turn!
She steps in and AoA deceptives for a random location! -6/-3! Anna can't retreat so makes her base parry.
She fails from the deception penalty, the gigantic axe connects with her chest, and even through her armor blasts her straight off her feet into unconsciousness!

Usagi fails her berserk roll again. There are no enemies so she just attacks anything there is. She turns behind her and barrels towards the gates.
It takes her several tries to make the two consecutive climb checks to get over the gate, but she keeps making her HT rolls.
People scream and run.
She smashes a bystander in the chest and he staggers backward. She AoA's at his head and smashes his brains across the stunned audience before finally collapsing of her wounds.


Holy fuck that was...I knew the move and attack was a mild gambit, but it almost payed off. I didn't see Usagi getting saved from a lethal neck wound by failing her berserker CR. Nor did I expect her to fail it after the fight was over and go after the crowd. Berserkers, folks.

>>82415597
May I recommend we invest in better arena security? The odd chance of audience death isn't going to be good for sales.

>>82415597
USAGI IS UNSTOPPABLE

>>82415597
SHE IS GOING TO HAVE ALL MAN MEAT FOR HER

>>82415658
Just put the SM and 800 point charecters in the stand for security.

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>>82415597
>Usagi didn't fight any of the human men so far
>Sheet has her being guillable
>Sheet says she can hardly resist pretty boys

I want to see Steve try a Talk no Jutsu with her, whatever the result is, it would be hilarious. Maybe leave that for the tourney fights;

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>>82415597
A shocking upset! Velociraptor-Slayer Anna downed in a single blow! The crowd goes briefly wild before fleeing in terror!

I need to start a tally of victories and defeats. Does this put Usagi ahead of Anna now?

>>82415981
She fucking murked an ogre bro

>>82415992
Yeah but last time her head wasn't hanging from her neck by a single scrap of flesh like a dullahan with a birth defect.

>>82415597
I am upset that Anna lost. She was undefeated. She should have taken this. Boo!

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>>82415597
I'm slightly in the wrong here and move and attack, RAW, denies your parry completely, as well as retreat.
But if we're already houseruling that AoA is -4 defense and not 'no,' I see no reason you can't parry after an MaA.
It even denies parrying with a different weapon. I disagree with this strongly.
"Hey what should the penalty for move and attacks in melee be."
"-4, cap the skill hard at 9, no retreating, no parrying even with another weapon."
"And for ranged?"
"Eh don't worry about it."
I will write 5e myself so help me god.
>>82415658
He signed the waiver.
>>82415767
>>82415865
On second thought she should have attacked the first woman she saw and tried to take her husband. She's got berserk and lecherousness both.
>>82415956
Steve's not handsome, but he does have pitiable. It might even work.
>>82415981
A bit. We probably should male some sort of tally spreadsheet, yes.
>>82416001
That was poetry, anon, thank you.
>>82416067
That berserk really clinched it. Blew my fuckin' mind. Hit like that she was absolutely on her way down. -4 shock she would have had to back off, and then Anna could dance around her until she bled out. But NOPE, berserk makes you immune to shock, so she just came right back through it.
Fuckin' wild, I tell you. Crazy status and ability interactions like that are one of the things I love about this mess.

>>82416067
I mean, she damn near cut Usagi's head off. It's not Anna's fault, it's just that that rabbit's dynamite.

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>Excuuuuuuuuse me just here to sell various fight club related items.
>Fight Club T-shirts! Fight Club Coloring Books! Fight Club Lunch boxes! Fight Club Breakfast Cereals! Fight Flame Throwers!

>>82416596
Yall got any Fight Club mugs?

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>>82416650
>Of course! No refunds.

>>82415597
>move and attack
>against a berserker.

>>82416928
I try my damndest not to play anyone as if they know mechanics. Just what they've seen happen.
And Usagi hasn't gone berserk and then got hit, so the fact that she's immune to pain and not just prone to being an angry idiot probably wasn't clear until this happened.

>>82415597
Shouldn’t Usagi’s be broken or head severed at 18 damage? Haven’t GMd GURPS in a few years, but I thought receiving HP or more in damage to the neck meant you were were crippled or decapitated.

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>>82417552
Basic set gives no specific crippling effect for the neck. Just a different damage type code.
MA only allows decapitation if the character dies from a major cutting wound to the neck. Neck injuries also bleed worse, but the interval is still meaningless in most combats at 30 seconds and -2 HT mod.

Our potential houserule was that either you must die from the attack to be decapitated, per MA, or it must have dealt your entire HP pool plus twice your spine DR (Which is normally 3) in raw penetrating damage, before injury multiplier. This was generally regarded as "Possibly giving more to cutting damage than it needs," but "hilarious against goblins." We never went with it, as it's still too easy.

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We need an actually decently attractive male fighter so they can bring down Usagi

New link for Fight Club stuff because I accidentally broke the old one messing with branches:
https://gitlab.com/WhiteZhark/fight-club/-/tree/master

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>>82417830
I dig it. Into the to-do bin.

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Maybe a suitable foil for Usagi considering they share some similarities but are otherwise almost polar opposites.
Too bad she'll go splat if she ever gets hit by that giant axe.

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>>82418842
Any chance you could catbox.moe the gcs sheet for me so I can archive it nicely without remaking it?

>>82418883
https://files.catbox.moe/1d6smk.gcs
Is this how this works?

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>>82418927
It is indeed, thank you kindly. I will add her to the repository. Pretty soon I should have an HTML scoreboard up and running.

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BEHOLD
https://whitezhark.gitlab.io/fight-club/

On the verge of collapse at the end of a manic bout of insomniac energy, I bring the good anons of the Fight Club my magnum opus: an index.html that links to an html scoreboard! I may have forgotten halfway through the reason for my toil and even my own identity, but now I may finally rest being pretty sure that I may have accomplished some sort of thing! Until next I awaken, sayonara!

>>82419243
nice

>>82419243
Nice work!

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>>82418842
I will need larger art to make her a token.
>>82419243
Very nice. It may be worth, at a later date, sorting out the characters into sub-categories. Just so it's clear that say, The limited use alternate form of one of my player's characters being played on a lark slap-chopping the 100pt bracket isn't exactly a legitimate fight.

Generally I've been breaking it down into
>100pt bracket
Everyone we know and love
>Steve
Is his own special thing
>House
Giant Dad, Raptors, Goblins. Fights that are hard but 'fair,' at least in event fights
>Misc.
Glove, Rubedo, Miss Salzzar, space marines, etc. Non-recurring that are there to be used on request. Spuriously canon.

>So what's the difference between 'House' and 'Misc?'
House fighters are fair enough that experience and prizes can be gained, and fighters may accrue permanent injuries or die. They're part of the potential 'progression' pool.
Misc. is shit that's not fair at all and doesn't 'count.'

There are currently TEN valid 100pt combatants, not counting ones that haven't been fully integrated yet like Ocylae above. When that number hits 16, or 12 if character creation slows down, we're going to hold a bracket tournament.
>Winners advance to next bracket
>Losers go into the loser pool.
>Once the brackets have a winner, the loser pool will have a BATTLE ROYALE
>The winner of the BR will fight the bracket champion.
>A halftime show may be held

I'm willing to take suggestions on the halftime show.
Throwing peasants to the animals is always fun.
I have half a mind to actually stat the elven swordmaster from my Saturday game and his wife and have them fight several ogres and about a hundred goblins just for laughs.
Or I could run that Car Wars demo as a halftime demolition derby.
I don't have any more relevant pics, so have an image demonstrating what sort of game Car Wars is.

G'night lads. As usual, my Friday through Saturday is mostly going to be game prep and running, so I may be scarce.

Gammarauders might make a good halftime show.

>>82418842
Rules illegal. Bulletproof nudity is a +2 to dodge for skimpy clothing. It's not +3 to EVERY SINGLE DEFENSE. You think Usagi is strong? Ocylae would be literally fucking untouchable.
Feint (Broadsword) being 18 is a bit "hmm" too considering that's -0 use of the skill normally.

>>82416236
>But if we're already houseruling that AoA is -4 defense
Yeah but it's also still "can't parry with what you attacked with"

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>>82420174
The sheet has page references in it that you could have bothered to follow before posting.
Specifically, the bits that might interest you are:
>bonus to active defenses
>loincloth or skimpy swimwear is +2
>topless females get an extra +1
>cannot exceed prerequisite skill+4

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>>82420174
>>82420369
Also, just to avoid some back and forth, here are the entire text blocks snipped out of the relevant pages.

>>82420379
Well the question on "no skill above 16", if that includes techniques that are just straight upgrades on that use of the skill.

>>82420174
>>82420379
The funny thing is this implies Usagi is rules invalid, since she doesn't have "Attractive or better"

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>>82420392
>>82418842
Usagi maker here, before I go to bed. I knew I forgot something, I just tossed on 2 extra FP there when I made her, which I don't think she's ever used anyway so I'll scratch that, and give her attractive so it's legal. Extra point gets her Usagi Axe a weapon bond.
When I get up I'll do a fight of Usagi vs Ocylae I'm sure it'll be interesting. Anyone got the old "I'm sure to win because my speed is superior" image macro?

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A new warrior for the arena!

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>>82420661
Pic related is half the reason I made that character.
The other is that I recently had my players fight some catgirl amazons and to my surprise absolutely demolishing them without taking a scratch. Turns out meme character concepts don't work very well if you don't have luck on your side.

>>82421814
>>82418842
>>82411798
Cute retards.
Is this going to be the championship of autistic fight sluts?

>>82421860
pretty much waify wars

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>>82419514
Two proposals:
>Rename Misc to Special Guests
>Add Steve to a preexisting category
You say Steve is his own special thing, but I'm not exactly sure why. The way I see it, he could be in any of the three categories depending on how you are handling him:
>progresses -> challenger
>does not progress but gives progression -> house fighter
>does not progress and gives no progression -> special guest
If there is some other reason to treat him differently I will acquiesce and make a new category in the repo.

Anyway, I'm awake again for now and experimenting with the Gitlab Wiki functions. My overall goal is to make it easy for thread anons to submit characters and edits directly to the repo. The HTML page looks nicer than the cluttered in-built wiki but is easier for anons with no git experience to mess with. Expect the site not to remain exactly as it is.

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what is this cancer? I'm certain all of you belong in hell for the sheer amount of autism on display. Mechanical representation of personality traits like gullible and lazy and being a loner?

[s]Can I play? I wanna play. What books do I read? I don't understand GURPS it's big and gay, pls help[/s]

>>82423561
Go away, newfaggot.

>>82423561
I will spoonfeed you just this once because we haven't set up a good informative OP yet. Go read this:
https://whitezhark.gitlab.io/fight-club/README.html
If you want to learn GURPS specifically go over to /gurpsgen/.

>>82410827
Question: if i just want to use a System which is not GURPS then how do you determine how's the character going if anyone else uses that

>>82423476
>Rename Misc to Special Guests
Agreed
>Add Steve to a preexisting category
I will leave that up to the audience.
My reasoning is simply that while it's a fun idea to see him participate and have to become someone else to survive, despite his losing the every time so far the fairness of a man with a glock is uncertain, so I feel uncomfortable just outright declaring him a 'legitimate contestant' as it were. He currently occupies the house folder in the dropbox and theoretically gains XP.
>>82420174
>>82420379
Just to weigh in here; I have reservations about Bulletproof Nudity. I'm not going to try and demand changes or anything, just thought I'd bring it up to talk about.
The effect of armor at all vs characters like Anna and Usagi is, unless it's pretty hefty plate, somewhat questionable. I feel the game designers monstrously fucked up their own choice-economy between wearing armor and not for fantasy genres. Against a ST6+ character with a +7 add on dice for their weapons, all even platemail is doing is mitigating how badly you're fucked. In 1v1 versus a character like that, Armor can be more of a liability if it gets you to an encumbrance threshold.
(This is WAY worse in RAW, the article used for fantasy armor reduces armor weights considerably because of this effect, but it's still somewhat there.)
So Bulletproof Nudity is *FIVE* points and a promise not to do something you weren't going to do anyway in exchange for literally *ONE HUNDRED* points of enhanced defenses for a woman with no shirt.
That seems incredibly jank.
>>82424607
>how do you determine how's the character going if anyone else uses that
I'm sorry but I do not understand the question

>>82424607
This is some serious ESL going on but I will try and interpret. No matter the system any character that participates in a fight will be added to the scoreboard. As for special rules and progression, that's up to the Arena Master(s) of that game system. We have a system set up for GURPS because we have multiple GURPS AMs. If you are the only one running a particular game system you are more than welcome to set the arena rules yourself. If there are multiple anons running in the same system as you, I recommend hashing out with them what sort of special rules and progression mechanic you would like to use. If you get something like that worked out, it can be added to the repo.

>>82424679
I'm fine with making Steve into a Special Guest, but I think I misunderstood your categorization. To clarify to the greatest degree possible:
>Do house fighters progress?
>Do house fighters grant progression?
If the answer to both is yes, then it seems the real difference between Challengers and House Fighters is simply power level, in which case I would suggest changing the nomenclature so that they are merely a higher tier of Challenger rather than a special category.

>>82423561
>what is this cancer?
Games. You know 'bout those right?
>I'm certain all of you belong in hell for the sheer amount of autism on display.
Welcome to gaming pre 2000 friend. It used to have game parts.
>Mechanical representation of personality traits like gullible and lazy and being a loner?
Yes, and I will explain to you why, as a game design principle. More because I think it's interesting than anything.
First of all, compulsions strong enough for mechanics are disadvantages. You get points back for these. Instead of just saying "Write down five fun facts about your character :D :D :D" like newer RPGs, GURPS says "You can trade your character's self-control for more points to make them good at stuff. You wanna be good, right?"
You will notice this as an incentive basically every player can recognize. "You can have more stuff, but you have to make a dude with actual personality traits."
>"Okay, but now I have this 'berserker' or 'lecherousness' roll on my character sheet that can take away control of my character!"
Yes and no. It's there to force you into roleplaying situations you didn't want, but accepted the risk of by putting it on your sheet. you still roleplay your character through them.
Sometimes you take a rarely occuring bloodlust, roll badly, and murder a prisoner you really kinda needed. Now what? Well "now what?" is the interesting part of games. And this whole subsystem is one GURPS uses to push you into "Oh shit, now what?" situations, or stoke character drama, or any number of things.
While the game says "The GM can ask you to make a control roll," and he very well might, 99% of the time I see players make these willingly, of their own accord, without prompting. Because having a mechanism to fall back on to decide how your guy reacts and what you should roleplay is *fun.*
The entire reason we play games with dice is to push us into situations where we have to roleplay a character through some unexpected situation, right?

>>82424679
>>82424806
Addendum: We can keep the House Fighter category for combatants that give progression but probably don't progress themselves (like the Velociraptors or the Goblin Gang) but if a combatant like Giant Dad both progresses and gives progression then he should really be considered a Tier X Challenger (as opposed to the Tier Y of our 100 point Challengers).

>>82424912
>>82423561
So really it boils down to a mechanism for that. It can be hard for players of other types of games, or newer players to grasp, but the mechanics of any game are agents in the story. The 'autistic numbers' aren't there to keep you from telling a story, they're there to help reveal one to you.
Ask yourself what's more interesting; That Bjorn the berserker was pulled into a bar brawl one night, lost control of himself against his wishes, and smashed the heads of every man and woman in the place because of his rage, bringing shame upon himself?
Or that Bjorn the berserker's barbarian rage is just a thing that gives him +2 damage and some extra HP in combat when he wants to, so he punched that one dude and left?
So yeah, in conclusion; the mechanics are there to help you uncover the story. If they only have bearing on combat and skill checks, they're only doing half the job.
>Can I play? I wanna play.
Yeah dude. If you put the effort in, it gets rewarded.
>What books do I read?
Basic Set and martial arts mostly. Check out the general
>I don't understand GURPS
That's fine
>it's big and gay, pls help
Bro chill.

>>82424806
>>82424922
"House fighters" are those that grant progression but don't progress, you are correct.

>>82425002
Alright, so considering Giant Dad again:
>House Fighter
>does not progress
>grants progression
That raises one last question for me. Can Giant Dad be permanently injured or killed like a Challenger? I'll assume that generic House Fighters like Velociraptors and Goblins can just be replaced, but Giant Dad is unique.

>>82424912
>berserker
Fuck this shit. Still triggered that Anna lost

Fuck this seems fun, I'll be joining in after work

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>>82425191
That's an interesting one. I would say that named house fighters CAN die, but not giant dad because he's got a bonfire in the old castle outside of town.
Lug is super fucking dead, and any other ogres will use a different name.
While it may be interesting to see some progression out of them, like maybe one of the goblins actually gets good or something, it's better imo to handle that in some bespoke fashion than to bother tracking points.
>>82425197
It was gonna happen eventually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQskc01NOE4

>>82423561
>[/s]
These are some dangerous levels of normie

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>>82425296
Yeah still I mean she basically decapitated Usagi. Just feel like some of the newer champs have pretty optimised builds rather than just being normal characters. Anna would probably win but look at fox girl. She's got some pretty ridiculous shit going on

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>>82411173
>Usagi breast girl!

>>82418842
Friend, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I must inform you that Bulletproof Nudity has now been forbidden for being severely undercosted for the benefit it provides. The AMs are still down to run Ocylae but it is requested that you update the sheet to exclude Bulletproof Nudity. Usagi will likewise be revised. Sorry to say so after you already submitted your character. We're still working out all the details for the GURPS arena.

>>82425915
I think it might be fair that if you submit a meme character like Ocylae, they might get relegated to House Fighter at some point (either from the start or after demolishing a couple of fights).

>>82426172
Perhaps that was my goal all along.

>>82426213
nta, but if so, good job.
The build rules are still a work in progress, so any help narrowing them down and pointing out shit that should be banned is A-Ok in my book.

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The weak should fear the strong, pic related

But for real, the battle was very close and won by luck, seems like they are very even. The berserker thing is the very least that a Bunny Barbarian Babe like Usagi should have. Don't think she is that optimized, its just what you would expect from Conan-inspired as a cute girl running around in a bunnysuit.

Between noble party girl Anna with STDs and guillable boycrazy barbarian girl Usagi, I think we have a pretty big and fun roster of character.

>>82426213
Then consider me grateful. The more of these rules I can get sorted out with the AMs and recorded, the better.

>>82426528
At last my Memes folder in the repo feels justified. Thank you, anon. Now I'm curious how Mizuki vs Usagi would go...

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>>82426528

>>82426528
Yeah Anna should actually have the points for her next SL after that fight anyway. I think the std was retconned though

>>82426764
>I think the std was retconned though
I hope not, its her entire thing

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>>82426687
>>82426528

>>82410827
I wonder if making a rich character would make for an interesting challenge.
On one hand, with a lot of money you can stack a lot of armor.
One the other hand, without CP for also getting a lot of ST, that would be less useful.

>>82427567
I think, to keep everything on an even footing, challengers shouldn't be able to start with wealth.
But Richy Rich as an arena house fighter could be fun.

Looking at GURPS.
So lowered stats & disadvantages would both be capped at +50 cp gained for the purposes of this FC?

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>>82427715
Yup, that's how it's usually done in GURPS and is the rule we've defaulted to as well. You can look here to see other characters for examples:
https://gitlab.com/WhiteZhark/fight-club/-/tree/master/Characters/Challengers
Go download GCS and use it for your character building if you haven't already.

>>82427715
Lowered stats are not strictly disadvantages under the normal rules. Nor are they here, but you shouldn't really take IQ under 9-10 as it has little bearing on most fights, and is just 'free points' in this context.
Likewise, your racial profile taken as a whole is neither an advantage or disadvantage, however it comes out; but again shouldn't be cheesed too heavily.
Unfortunately, the points don't equate to any 'real' balance, so there's a level of good sportsmanship required.
>>82426844
I gave her it because the OP of thread 0 I made her to fuck with wasn't playing along. I removed it when he seemed to get his shit together and play along. If people want it back on her sheet, I don't really care either way though.

>>82427940
Quantum STD. Only exists when people get butthurt about it.

>>82428004
What's the reaction penalty for that?

>>82428057
-1 from people who know about it. And if they do any attempts at using sex-appeal against them just automatically fail.

>>82427811
Thanks for that.
But one more thing! I can’t tell, do quirks & perks cancel out each other, & if so, how many can you take?
If not, how do they work? From skimming it looks like they don’t have a hairline approach.

>>82428191
They don't cancel out. You can (and should) take up to 5 Quirks. Each one gives you 1 point back which does NOT count toward the normal Disadvantage limit. Perks cost 1 point each and are not mandatory, so just pick what you want. You can look through GCS for perks that seem interesting and then reference them in the books.

>>82428191
You can have up to five quirks, and they're worth -1 point. They're separate from disadvantages, and are mostly 'finish rounding out your character's flavor,' incentive.
Perks are just 1pt advantages with no other special rules

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>>82427940
>Lowered stats are not strictly disadvantages under the normal rules
Basic Set, page 11

>>82428250
Huh. Thanks.
GCS doesn't seem to think so, so I just never caught on.

>>82428226
>>82428228
Thanks again.

>>82428265
GCS can't do that for you because there might be legitimate reasons for you to lower or raise attributes arbitrarily. E.g. NPC making, spider crabs from Planet X, etc.
It does offer various "Decreased X" disadvantages to make the bean-counting simpler.

>>82428265
>>82428521
If there's a gurps character creator pls link

>>82428521
S'reasonable, I just never really thought much about it. Nor does anyone in my games ever take decreased attributes outside of racial traits where they don't tack on anyway.
Except maybe...one instance of reduced IQ by one point?
In any case, thanks for pointing it out. I'm sure I've read it once or twice, but my memory is bad. (like clinically significant, bad.) It'll stick eventually, maybe.
>>82428543
https://gurpscharactersheet.com/

>>82428569
>https://gurpscharactersheet.com/
thanks anon

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>>82427940
She's proved herself. Doesn't need an std

>>82428738
She proved she sleeps around in questionable places, no wonder the rest of the nobles speak things behind her back.

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Need a shota character
Also lewd greentext

>>82427667
I don't mind if characters I make are used as house fighters, fodder or even just proofs of concept that lead to stricter house rules.

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We have lots of types of characters so far. What about some fun archetypes not done yet?

Perhaps a fitting one would be an Ojou in a battledress? Have her talk shit about all other players and brag about how superior she is.

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>>82410827
I-is this an actual fresh idea on /tg/!?

>>82429347
We need a net and trident fighter.

>>82429443
how many points would Leviathan be in GURPS

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>>82429466

>>82429494
Enough 99% of the time it's just a 'rock falls, everyone dies' device.

>>82429347
>>82429529
How about an axe & shield?
I just wrote one up.
I don’t have the character sheet, so if there’s space in the roster would one of you more involved rig one up out of what I post?

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>>82429567
Lucky day
Drill hair girl has an axe

>>82429597
Lol ok.
Does this look half way solvent?

Annabel the Cannibal
>STRENGTH (-50cp): 15
>DEXTERITY: 10
>IQ: 10
>Vitality: 10
Starting Gear/Wealth [TL 3]: 1000$
>Great Axe (100$)
>throwing Axes x? ($???)
>Buckler ($?)
>fancy armor ($?)
Advantages (-30cp):
>Hit Points +15
Disadvantages (+50cp):
>Mute: (+25)
>Alcoholic: (+15)
>Berserk: (+10)
Perks:
>Classic Features
>focused fury
>weapon bond (great axe)
>Drunken Fighting (penalties become bonuses for Dx)
>Special Exercise (HP can exceed ST by 100%)
Quirks:
>easily frustrated
>alcohol intolerance
>habits (cannibalism)
>Fat
>uncongenial
Skill Levels (-70cp):
>Axes (-43): 14
>Shields (-27): 14

How’s that? Sorry I didn’t know the prices for the defensive equipment. Also left out the tallying of sub-attributes.

>>82429597
that's one exceptionally well-fed ojou

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>>82429739
>Skill Levels (-70cp):
>>Axes (-43): 14
>>Shields (-27): 14
Anon... uh... I think maybe you should download GCS and try again. I like the concept but I have no idea what happened here.

>>82429792
Skill levels are based on distances form the attribute & the skills difficulty right?
So with 10dex, getting an average skill of axes to 14 (a difference of 4) would cost [16+12+8+4+2+1]. So 43
Than an easy skill, again going to 14, would cost [12+8+4+2+1]? So 27.
43+27 = 70
For 70 character points spent on skills?

>>82429843
That's uh, not even slightly correct
A skill costs 1 point to get at (Attribute) SL. For each rank of difficulty above Easy, that SL goes down by 1, so a Very hard skill starts at attribute-3.
The next rank costs 2 points, then every rank after that costs 4. So 14 for an easy skill would be 1+2+4+4 = 11.

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>>82429843
I can definitely see how you made that mistake, but take a closer look at the skill table. The leftmost column says FINAL skill level. So, the math is 1+2+4+4+4+4, not 1+2+4+8+12+16.

>>82429871
Correct: it's 1, then 1, then 2, then 4. There's two 1s in there.

>>82429898
Ahaha you're right, I was looking at the table and still did it wrong. Ok, so the math is actually 1+1+2+4+4+4 = 16 to get an average skill based on DX 10 to SL 14.

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>>82429494
Leviathan is comparatively pretty simple Anon. Turn up the speedster dial to really high but don’t include anything reality warping, add a clause that it can do the same underwater.

Then give it maximum weather control but only for water.

>attempt #2

Annabel the Cannibal
Attributes (-70 cp)
STRENGTH (-50): 15
DEXTERITY: 10
IQ: 10
Vitality: 12
Starting Gear/Wealth [TL 3]: 1000$
>Great Axe
>throwing Axes
>Buckler
>Rags
Advantages (-40 cp):
>Hit Points +15 (-30)
>High Pain Threshold (-10)
Disadvantages (+50cp):
>Mute: (+25)
>Alcoholic: (+15)
>Berserk: (+10)
Perks:
>Classic Features
>focused fury
>weapon bond (meat cleaver)
>Drunken Fighting (penalties become bonuses for Dx)
>Special Exercise (HP can exceed ST by 100%)
Quirks:
>easily frustrated
>alcohol intolerance
>habits (cannibalism)
>Fat
>uncongenial
Skill Levels (-40):
>Axes (-24): 16
>Shields (-16): 15

How’s this?
As far as relations to the other girls.
>she’s not a cave women, so her and Ann make up the Royal We team of well to do women named Ann with ints above sea level
>unlike Ann, she’s a bit touched by the family inbreeding, unable to speak intelligibly, & totally uncivilized, even by bratty ojou standards, beneath her emperors clothes
>opposite stats ocylae & Ann, so sitting with Usagi at the big girls table.
>classically attractive
Sort of a Venn Diagram of murderous man eating thots.

>>82430370
I don't think that "literally retarded fat woman that can't speak because of how retarded sge is" makes much sense with "ojou". Ojou is like, elegant and sofisticate, the girl in the sheet can't even pick her own clothes.

Better drop this vore thing nd just make a female ogre.

>>82430370
I think we're almost there. My notes:
>Arena TL is 4
I guess you can stay at 3 if you don't care.
>alcoholic but also alcohol intolerance
Hilarious but technically fine as far as I can tell.
>Focused Fury but no Mighty Blows
Pointless without it.
>only two skills
We don't have any sort of rule about it currently but the other fighters all have at least a couple other skills to indicate what they do besides fight in the arena.
>classically attractive
Well, to anybody who is into drill hair ojous specifically. Otherwise she's average and fat.
>weapon bond
It seems like you were trying to stay at the 16 SL cap which I appreciate, but Weapon Bond pushes you over to 17. I recommend either ditching Weapon Bond or taking back a few skill points to bring you back down.

I'm kind of with this anon >>82430490. She's currently pretty far from the ojou image, being a fat mute alcoholic berserker who has literally zero skills related to her station.

>>82430370
Alternatively replace 2 points of vitality for skill level 15 Connoisseur.

>>82430370
>>82430512
Okay, I guess I kind of contradicted myself. We aren't really almost there unless we just change the premise of the character. She would also need Status to represent her social standing.

Wait are we doing 3e or 4e?

>>82430553
We only have GURPS 4e characters participating so far. If you wanted to run 3e fights go for it, but as far as I know all the currently active GURPS Arena Masters are only running 4e.

>>82430546
lol
Its REALLY far from the premise of the character. Bro, if you want to use this sheet just make her a bodyguard ogre in a dress.

>>82430490
The point was for her to be the sort of black sheep of the family.
Normally the character is like a gimp in the basement, but she’s instead kind of like a vicious spoiled poodle.
She’s smarter than her habits & stunted social aspects would have you guess, but she’s still a violent trog with retard strength.
She still poses & dose the ojou laugh, but when she goes to talk after, it’s just animal screams.
>>82430512
>pointless without it
Replace it with crude than? Maybe aristocratic depending on how you want to interpret the character.
>only two skills
Like I said, she’s supposed to be put aside from her house, so they don’t teach her anything unless she wants to learn it.
All she wants to learn is how to fuck shit up.
>>82430512
>average & fat
How? The only other appearance modifier she has is a positive perk in “classic features”.
She’s literally physically a noble woman with noble features pictured here >>82429597
Don’t tell me that’s not a fat bmi.

>>82430588
Are you kidding me? The trope of combat idiot is commonly subverted with shit like lolis & nadashikos all the time.
You’re telling me you can’t see that?

>>82430616
Remove fat, and put Usagi's "Extreme Sexual Dimorphism"

>>82430616
Honestly buddy, this is a very schizo sheet if you want to go for Ojou. Why is "mute" so important for example? If you want her to be retarded, you could just make her a bimbo rather than the fat creature in the basement.

I don't know GURPS but I've always wanted to learn, and making dumb gimmick characters is fun. I don't suppose there's some fancy character-building program like there is for Shadowrun or such, is there?

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>>82430616
Anon, I get what you're saying, but that's not how GURPS works. In GURPS, if you don't pay points for something, it is not true of your character. If she does not take any Appearance advantages or disadvantages she has "average" looks. Classic Features doesn't automatically make you a pretty noble because that's what you say your background is. Picrel is what Classic Features actually does. Fat, in turn, means you have at about 150% of the average weight for your ST, so it really does mean fat. Follow this anon's >>82430648 advice.

>>82430696
>>82428569
Really need to get that in the OP.

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>>82430696
https://gurpscharactersheet.com/
https://gitlab.com/WhiteZhark/fight-club
Good luck!

>>82430732
>>82430731
Thanks anons, gonna give it a shot.

>>82430740
Fwiw, it doesn't really explain what anything does in particular detail. You'll still need books, but I'm sure you can figure that part out.

>>82430744
Yeah, gonna dive through Treasure Island for some PDFs.

>>82430648
Why are you mad I’m calling her fat lol. It’s true to the art prompt!
>>82430685
She can be both!

>>82430698
Ok how’s this.

>Annabel the Cannibal, 11th in line to the throne of fikyemater
Attributes (-70 cp)
>STRENGTH (-50): 15
>DEXTERITY: 10
>IQ: 10
>Vitality: 10
Starting Gear/Wealth [TL 3]: 1000$
>Great Axe
>throwing Axes
>Buckler
>Rags
Advantages (-40 cp):
>Hit Points +15 (-30)
>High Pain Threshold (-10)
>Beautiful (-12)
Disadvantages (+50cp):
>Mute: (+25)
>Alcoholic: (+15)
>Berserk: (+10)
Perks:
>Classic Features
>focused fury
>weapon bond (meat cleaver)
>Drunken Fighting (penalties become bonuses for Dx)
>Special Exercise (HP can exceed ST by 100%)
Quirks:
>easily frustrated
>alcohol intolerance
>habits (cannibalism)
>extreme sexual dimorphism (female)
>Fat
Skill Levels (-48):
>Axes (-24): 16
>Shields (-16): 15
>connoisseur/ (-4): 12
>savior-faire (high society)(-4): 12

>>82430512
>weapon bond
>It seems like you were trying to stay at the 16 SL cap which I appreciate, but Weapon Bond pushes you over to 17. I recommend either ditching Weapon Bond or taking back a few skill points to bring you back down.
Didn’t read this, sorry but was laughing a bit at the threads expense and prematurely posted.
I’ll take more time before I repost another iteration.
If you have suggestion for equipment I would appreciate that.
I thought tech level 3 was standard, but if the FC is in 4 then that is that!

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>>82430789
>true to the art prompt
Bro, look at arms, abs, and the legs around the knee. You can't be "Fat" and have that kind of definition. Anyway, before you post another iteration:
>take Combat Reflexes or you'll have a sad time in a fight
>take Mighty Blows or drop Focused Fury

>>82430748
Giving Basic a read right now. I'm curious, how suicidal is unarmed combat? Things seem quite simulationist in lethality, but I'd presume stuff from the martial arts sourcebooks makes it more viable.

>>82430904
Generally going barehanded against an armed combatant is a bad idea and the rules reflect that, although Grishnak has been doing alright for himself so far

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>>82430904
Without houseruling unarmed combat is generally weaker than armed combat. Grappling has uses but Grishnak actually started off at 110 points instead of the usual 100 because he needed it. Striking martial arts are just straight up worse than weapons for many reasons. Back when I was thinking about running my own campaign I did a lot of thinking on how striking martial arts could be brought up to par because I didn't want to leave the monk archetype out in the cold.

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>>82430968
>>82430964
Gotcha.
I figured I'd make a representative for Norf FC, though I guess a knife or a club would also be pretty bri'ish.

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>>82411360
>TL4, 100pts, 50 disad, under 5 grand in gear, and 'no cheese,'
Got an extra five points in Quirks too, or nah?

I'm cooking up this beauty now.

>>82431007
Quirks in addition to disads, aye.

Sorry for the lack of fights tonight all. I'm doing stuff for a Real Game™. One of the other guys said he might swing by later thought.

>>82431007
Yeah, normal 5 Quirks. I'll add that specifically to the guidelines. Looking forward to the final product.
>>82430994
And yours too.

>>82430890
Her arms are skinny I’ll give you that, but the lady is a cow.
Don’t worry though, not her most scandalous feature by far!

skub aside, is combat reflexes so necessary if defense is high & high pain threshold is taken? I does high pain threshold not adequately protect from being stunned?
In adding it in either way, just curious.

>>82431067
Combat reflexes is essentially a 15pt tax on playing a combat character at all. You can maybe get away without it in an arena, but it's the cheapest way to get +1 universal AD anyway.

If a system is completely not suited for solo combatants, on multiple levels, would there still be interest in seeing it demo'd? Been ruminating on a bigger party vs. encounter thing to stop it all being GURPS. Waifus will sill be present, as will dinosaurs.

>>82431067
The only part of her that's fat is her tits. I guess that's probably what you meant.
>combat reflexes
Defenses are never high enough. They scale slower than offense. It would be cost effective even if that's all it provided.

>>82431130
Please do! We've already had a couple 1vX fights, would be cool to see XvY. I will happily add your characters and fight to the repo. Besides, little could be worse than the 5e fight we already had to suffer through.

>>82431067
Dude, that shit ain't chub. That's the kind of muscle that lets you pop skulls with your thighs.
If you want a fatass of a character that's whatever, but if a horrible ogre lady is what you're going for, go find art that properly represents it.

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>>82431130
1v1 combat is not even remotely requisite. It's just the formula we've fallen into because it's easy.
You can run parties, hell you can run wargames if you want.
As long as you're showing /tg/ how a game works, you can do anything you please.

>>82431158
>>82431167
Sick. Expect something, then, whenever the ducks are all in a row.

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I have no idea how viable it is but I'm gonna try to make my Norferner a grappling knife-fighter. Anything in particular I should be looking for?

>>82431209
Dual Weapon attack with both his wrestling skill and knife skill so he can grab people and knife them in the same turn without penalty.
(Though he may want to feint with the knife first on that turn.)
We use an alternate set of grappling rules so things like power-grab don't work. But on the flip, being fat gets you a small bonus to pinning.
Grapple rolls are ST+Grapple Skill SL+Mods, with the most common mod being for size. So being jacked is just as important as being good.
You may want to check out some grappling techniques in PY-34
And lastly, when you're grappling a dude, you attack with *everything* as if it were part of the grapple. Which halves location penalties. So if you to shank a dude in the face, grabbing him first is really the way to do it; Grapple+Knife can be a great combo. One of the characters in my Saturday game, her whole melee deal is knife+Judo, and with enough points invested it gets rather stupid.

>>82431252
Oh good, I was already planning on making him fat.
I also noticed something called 'testicle grab' in the Martial Arts book and feel I have to take it.

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>>82430890
>>82430698
>>82430370
>>82429597
Champs

I tried doing her justice, tho I went wth the saber that she has with her on the pic rather than the giant axe (because Usagi already uses an axe).

My first GURPS sheet, tell me if I did it right. I tried to give her flavorful Advantages like being very rich, but those costed a lot of points...which meant that I had to pick a bunch of disavantages for her too which were also flavorful, like compulsive spending and Bully.

Here is Anabele Proudchest.

Not sure if she is exactly a GOOD fighter, but I was thinking that her startegy is starting the fight trying to intimidate her oponents wth some insuts and shit talks.

>>82431279
I mean, if you must, but good luck using it on most of the fighters

>>82431345
We've been capping disadvantages at 50

>>82431347
>>82431279
He can grab his own as a taunt.

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Another round of my own personal battle with the character creation rules:

>Annabel the Cannibal, 29th in line to the throne of faulkmolth
Attributes (-50 cp)
>STRENGTH (-50): 15
>DEXTERITY: 10
>IQ: 10
>Vitality: 10
Starting Gear/Wealth [TL 3]: 1000$
>Great Axe (100$)
>throwing Axes
>Buckler
>Brass Knuckles ($10)
Advantages (-67 cp):
>Hit Points +15 (-30)
>High Pain Threshold (-10)
>Beautiful (-12)
>combat reflexes (-15)
Disadvantages (+50cp):
>Mute: (+25)
>Alcoholic: (+15)
>Berserk: (+10)
Perks:
>Classic Features
>High Healed Heroine
>weapon bond (meat cleaver)
>Drunken Fighting (penalties become bonuses for Dx)
>Special Exercise (HP can exceed ST by 100%)
Quirks:
>easily frustrated
>alcohol intolerance
>habits (cannibalism)
>extreme sexual dimorphism (female)
>bulky frame (SO tempted to put very fat)
Skill Levels (-33):
>Axes (-20): 15
>Shields (-8): 13
>QuickDraw (-1): 10
>connoisseur (-1): 9
>savior-faire (high society)(-1): 10
>Wrestling (-2): 10

>>82431345
Cringe & trope fodder pilled.
You made a sheet though so I guess it’s cringe & canon pilled.

>>82431345
>dancing
>heraldry
>no high heels
>gey choice in weaponry
>not very attractive.
I take it back. This is not canon.

>>82430512
>ell, to anybody who is into drill hair ojous specifically. Otherwise she's average and fat.
Classic Features (Ojou), it's a perk. IT means that for anyone who likes that, they treat the appearance as one step higher.

>>82431427
That was exactly my point.
>>82431419
>Appearance
>Attractive; Handsome
She's hot to everyone!

>>82431402
>>82431419
Not exactly up to you, though, is it? Anon got a proper sheet made, and their character is presumably pending with whatever GM plans to run shit.
If you don't like it, tough.

>>82431158
That 5e fight wasn't even bad. Admittedly that was because it was a battle master. Any other martial class would have sucked

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>>82431345
You can tell this one is an evil fraud
>ugly
>jealous of the real Annabel the Cannibal
>low HP (poor health from constant seething, no special training)
>can’t fight in heels
>not versed in hand to hand combat like a true noble
>can dance & write like a merchant whore
>not of discriminate Patrician tastes
>not a mute cannibal
>doesn’t have a title, last name sounds assumed from a bawdy bathroom stall poem

>outfit IS RED, THE COLOR OF JEALOUS SHITTY FRAUDS
If you were really 29th in line to the head of house Faulkmulth you would wear its noble blue!

>>82431490
Get your cannibal freakshit outta here, or at least shut up about it for, like, five minutes.

>>82431378
Hey this... actually looks legal, and a lot closer to the art. Now we've got two submissions with nearly the same artwork though. I dunno. I guess I'll let an AM decide what to do about it and then go from there.

>>82431464
Fuck off you dumb nigger that’s exactly what I said lol

>>82431557
You misunderstand. Red chick good. Blue chick bad.

>>82431576
Blue chick is literally the original that frilly common whore is attempting to mimic.
However She HASNT GOT THE NERVE NOR THE PEDIGREE

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not sure who is who anymore but saber version could use saber art

>>82431612
>>82431612
She's of better stock than the retarded ogre in the blue dress.
Red Annabel best Annabel.

>>82431612
At least red chick has an actual competent build.

>>82431576
>you misunderstand
You literally don’t cant into reading comp. DUMB NIGGER, in the post you replied to I had already stated exactly what you reiterated.
So again.
>fuck off you dumb nigger I just said that lol

>>82431530
>begging for moe blob
>constantly seething
>s-stop!
Yikes

>>82431345
>>82431378
>>82431521
>>82431633
Why not just let them fight?
Have an impartial AM run it!

>>82431658
Sounds great let's do this.

>>82431658
Dope, dumb red frauds gonna get reemed!
>>82431633
What did I miss?
Only thing I hadn’t gotten around to was armor.
We were meant to stay equal to or less than 16 on attributes & skills yeah?

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Newfag here, how's he looking?

>>82431831
He cute
>5’11”
Nvm

>>82431831
Man is everyone just going to take Feint 18 now?

>>82431831
Reducing IQ counts to your disadvantage limit, so you've essentially got yourself an extra 40 points you can't have there, sorry mate. I suggest using "Decreased [Attribute]" in the Advantages, instead of modifying the attribute directly.

>>82431877
Ah, gotcha.
>>82431863
I heard it was important, is it ultra-cheesy? I just put 4 points in the sub-skills.

>>82431890
It is good, yes. Feint is one of the few ways that you can really bypass someone's defenses. It's the next step of optimization after the very basic "take weapon skill to SL cap", but it's not illegal, don't sweat it.

>>82431903
Aye aye. Now to figure out armor.
Does it penalize grappling at all? Doesn't seem to reduce your dexterity like it does in most RPGs.
Flavor-wise it'd be better to have him running around in his Norf FC tee, but lethality is an issue here.

>>82431915
Armor only penalizes DX if you're wearing too much or it's ill-tailored, yes.
He wouldn't be the only unarmoured fighter, but most of those have natural armor.
I'd allow him to buy DR 1 (Tough skin) for ablative fat.
And an arbitrary amount of tough skin DR for crushing only as his bulk just absorbs the blow.

While high DX does have other utility, it takes increasing five different DX linked skills at 4pts to make up for a point in it if you want raw skill levels. The utility of DX above 10-11 on his build is kinda "eh."

>>82431941
Ah, I do save a lot by lowering it and just investing in skills instead. Makes a bit of room for tough skin, and maybe more skills.

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Any suggestions on how to handle the armour for this bird? Seems like a mishmash of a few different types using the detailed breakdown of armour, and I've got no idea.

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Tweaked and finished sheet

>>82432043
That just looks like some cloth decoration over mostly plate to me.

>>82431941
Hm. I wonder if there's some fantasy sourcebook I could reach into for an enchanted jersey or something.

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>>82410827
How would armor like this work in GURPS?

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>>82432215

>>82432215
it would either prevent you from being hit or make you take less damage.

>>82432199
Aha! Spider silk! Except it's hella expensive and only fits on one piece of armor.

>>82432199
Enchanting is covered on Basic Set page 480, although I don't know what OPs ruling would be on whether that's allowed or not.

>>82432256
We need some sort of steel tank fighter

>>82432215
"It depends."
Using DR7 basic set heavy plate armor;
In a historical campaign where you don't expect to see a realistic guy pass strength 13-14 unless he's monumentally jacked? Borderline damage immunity vs lesser men, unless they've got big dumb poleaxes and shit. Even then, a big sword has to do more than 14 raw damage to actually penetrate instead of just doing impact trauma.
In a fantasy campaign with ST 16-18 barbarians are swinging around longaxes? Well, it'll stop you from getting one-shot most of the time.

But take Anna for an example, swinging that Zweihander around for 2d+4 at (effective) strength 13, with a fine quality sword. The average damage there is 11, so you're still taking an average of 4 crushing past DR7 plate. Enough to max out shock if you're struck, and enough to the head to probably put you to sleep. IF she boxcars the damage, it's enough to cleave through, and that's bad times.

Now on the flipside if we take Marcia with her broadsword. her maximum damage is eight. Enough to bonk you for one point of crushing damage. She will have no choice but to do something else to try and hurt you, because just cleaving away won't cut it.

So, depends heavily on the opponent, what effect you'll get out of good armor.

>>82432283
I think we have a sword-and-board girl somewhere, though she hasn't come up recently.

>>82432274
It's not like I'm using it on actual armor or even wearing a helmet, so it shouldn't be that bad.

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Alright, think I'm done. Lemme know if I fucked up anywhere.
https://files.catbox.moe/dvkuz5.gcs

>>82432396
Wait, shit, forgot to list his religion as "Gregg's"

>>82432396
>Cameron Ingurland
>Orichalcum butter knife
Anon you're a fucking legend

>>82432289
Annabel the Cannibal is Axe & Shield…
She’s also trying to figure out what armor to wear. Might have a plate armor gauntlet at least.

>>82432396
It looks good except I can't tell how your "Attribute" value in the top right got to 59. Instead of manually adjusting your attributes, use the Increased/Decreased <Attribute> advantages from Basic Set. Hopefully that should clear it up. Also get some quirks.

>>82432396
>the unbinned blade

>>82432452
There's lil numbers by the attributes saying how many points you've spent, isn't there?
Wait, I cheated again by reducing my basic speed while already at 50 disadvantage points. Hotfix incoming.

>>82432461
There are, and I see now that I missed the HP increase. Definitely best to do that with advantages but I understand it now. Don't forget those quirks.

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>>82432470
Ah, forgot those too, thanks for catching me.
https://files.catbox.moe/ri916v.gcs

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>>82432539
This character sheet made my day anon, thanks. I look forward to Norf's entry into what was once known as the "waifu wars". I'll get it up on the repo post-haste.

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>>82432588
Thanks anon, glad it's enjoyed.
I'll try to think of some other dumb concepts to stat up too.
GURPS genuinely does seem way simpler than the way people screech about it, it's fun.
The vehicle rules probably actually are as hellish as people say, though, I've seen some tables.

>>82432588
>norf fc lad isn't a waifu
fucking casual

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>>82432625
It occasionally has or had a tendency to have some rules that maybe went a bit too far. 3e vehicles is such a complete meme they haven't even bothered to make a 4e vehicles. And The Deadly Spring is a whole...thing.

Overall it's really not that complicated no. The only people I usually see screeching think rolling dice a few extra times in the process of firing a shotgun make the game 'too complicated to be playable by real humans,' and other such shit.
If they saw the games I got into the hobby through, their heads would fucking explode.

>>82432215
Fine mail
and then on top of it Medium Plate
DR 10 (or more, if you are rich enough to make the armor of quality) on most body parts, but you get a lot of limitations due to the restrictive nature of the armor - limited peripheral vision, lessened dexterity, counting as Ham Fisted due to the gauntlets, etc.
Advanced plate armor also offers some joint protection (limits how fare your joints can bend) protecting you against some grappling techniques.

>>82433021
Would it make an interesting combatant if it were statted?

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>>82432657

>>82432396
>>82431831
>>82432657
CAM ON CAMRUN
LESS SCORE SUM FUCKIN GOALS

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For our next bout, two dudes that are both desperate for a win sitting at 0 from 2, it's Swordmaster Jones and Steve from Accounting!

>Turn 0
Steve gets an IQ roll to see if he remembered to switch to a fresh clip. Success!
Jones gets a tactics roll to start in a potentially advantageous position. Bad luck Jones

>Turn 1
Jones makes for the nearest rock
Steve also advances

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Put up a Directory page to make it easy to view all the characters and files, also populated the wiki:
https://whitezhark.gitlab.io/fight-club/

You know, it's kind of nice getting more hands-on experience with bash, git, markdown, html etc without the pressure of actually trying to program something. It's starting to shape up pretty well! Hopefully next OP doesn't forget to link. Now maybe I can take a break and try to review the rules sufficiently to run a fight myself. Or sleep. Probably need to do that.

>>82434272
Or not. Can't sleep now with another match starting!

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>>82434272
>Turn 2
Jones All out Dodges and moves up
Steve aims

>Turn 3
Jones closes the distance with a Move and Attack. He makes it, but Steve leaps back, losing his aim bonus but remaining unharmed.
Steve starts blasting, but Jones deftly ducks below the line of fire

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>>82434342
CAM ON JONESY

>>82434342
>Turn 4
Jones passes his Fright check from the magic boom stick and brings his sword crashing down towards Steve's gun arm, who again pedals back. Jones takes a step to keep in range.
Steve goes full RoF again but Jones swats the weapon aside

>Turn 5
Jones steps again and goes for a Feint. Steve falls for it
Unfazed, Steve keeps dumping the mag, aiming for centre of mass like a guy who's been to a pistol range exactly once. He lands two hits this time, both of which are major wounds, but Jones is buoyed by the cheers of obese Englishmen and remains standing

>>82434464
>Turn 6
Still conscious, and not wanting to waste a good feint, Jones AoA Determined at Steve's gun arm again. Steve continues to retreat, but he is starting to run out of room
Steve is unsure if he should continue the assault, and aims instead

>Turn 7
Jones is still hanging on, and goes All out Determined deceptive this time, but it is still not enough to get Steve. Jones steps to keep the gap
Steve puts another round into Jones' torso, but it's not enough to bring him down. Steve is starting to have Grishnak flashbacks

>>82434551
CAAAAAAAAAM ON YOU GOT HIM

>>82434551
GO STEVE, show 'em your good for more than just spreadsheets and brown-nosing!

>>82434551
>Turn 8
Maybe it's a cunning plan, maybe it's the blood loss, but Jones steps to Steve's right in an attempt to force him back onto the spikes, and swings for the neglected non-weapon arm. Whatever it is, it lands and severs the arm. Steve stares at the gushing stump in disbelief, before failing his HT check and collapsing

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>>82434612
NOOOOO

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>>82434728
He lost again stevebros
Will /ourboy/ get a break?

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>>82433032
See >>82427567
At 100 CP you'd struggle to afford both the armor and the stats to properly take advantage of it. The mega-armored knight is usually someone that is either a meme or at least somewhat advanced. Fine, heavy armor is something for "historical" characters to look forward to.
For comparison, the "starting wealth" of a TL4 person is $2000 (in abstract game-money, this might be something like 500 silver coins otherwise). Layering plate and mail just for the torso/vitals/groin is ~ $3400 or ~ $5200 if you go for heavy stuff. It also weighs ~25kg total.
Covering the whole body in some degree of layered plate and mail will give you DR 10 in most places (7 on the face and 0 on the eyes) cost near $10k and weigh near 51 kg total.
Adding all the functional extras to the plate armor would bump the DR to 12, lower the total weight to ~45kg and the total cost to over $130k an armor fit for a king.

As for whether it would be fun? If wearing armor is all the character does, they would be fun only in the sense of having to actually think what to attack them with. The fun in playing a knight in GURPS comes from your opponents being equally armored and in having to juggle a large array of weapons for every situation, from your lance to your polearm to your hand weapon. And having to consider which techniques to master - hooking and shoving around with your polearm, or just going for maximum damage? If you're forced to use a sword, which grip and distance do you prefer? Do you like to go empty-hand-and-sword to grab people and shank them, or do you grip your sword with both hand for increased control so you can aim at chinks in the enemy armor? etc

I think a good armored character might fun here, but they would most likely be armored like a Roman Gladiator or one of the London Lobsters.

>>82434880
Steve's life is to lose it would be out of charecter to win.

Say I wanted to equip a character with
>Hard Leather Boots (Feet)
>Cloth Armor (Legs)
>Leather Armor (Torso, Arms)
>Shoulder Plates (Shoulders)
>Steel Bracers (Lower Arms)
>Circlet (Skull)
Can someone tally up the weights & prices for these? Hard times pinning them down.
Also I’d appreciate the input on if these sum up to cover all your bases armor-wise.

>>82435807
I worked out the DR values to be
>2
>1/0
>2/1
>6
>6
>1
Respectively, is that right?

>>82411798
based gurps coomer

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Enjoy your little "game" while you can, he is coming

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>>82435807
>>82435837

>>82437321
Super kind of you, thanks.
Idk where I got the shoulder guards piece ideas. Looks like gloves are needed too, since gauntlets aren’t included in the lower piece.
Thanks again!

>>82437446
Basic Set leather gloves are DR 2, $30, no weight.
And you're welcome.

>>82436653
I'm curious bout his giant chicken

>>82437483
The post implied it should just be statted as a dinosaur, which is fair, but I think I'd replace it's Cut based bite with choice of cr/imp for biting or pecking with a beak.
No other change seems really neccesarry.

>>82434612
I guess you could say that Steve is rather... 'armless.

>>82437465
Basic set gear is pretty generic and for that reason inaccurate.
It might be a good idea for whoever's managing this circus to make a ruling on what gear is acceptable, because mixing up e.g. Low-Tech and Basic randomly can end up with weird results (e.g. weightless armor providing 2 DR).

>>82437888
Most armor is constructed with Better Fantasy armor. Low-Tech is 'accurate' but close to worthless for a fantasy game.
I typically allow a fallback to basic set armor out of indifference.
Does this mean everyone buys boots and gloves for 2 extremity DR basically for free? Yes.
Do I especially care? No.

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After realizing that Tsuki's point value was off, she's been revised.

>>82437888
The GURPS AMs have been using Better Fantasy Armor: https://noschoolgrognard.blogspot.com/p/better-fantasy-armor.html

It was mentioned in the Rules on the repo but not in Submissions. I've shuffled some of the Rules entries over to Submissions to make things more clear: https://gitlab.com/WhiteZhark/fight-club/-/wikis/Submissions

>>82438889
https://whitezhark.gitlab.io/fight-club/Characters/Challengers/Swordslave%20Tsuki/Swordslave_Tsuki_GURPS_100_v2.html

>>82439444
Usagi maker here, I didn't use BFA.

>>82440171
>implying
You had me for a second there you sly dog, got me to check the sheet: https://whitezhark.gitlab.io/fight-club/Characters/Challengers/Usagi%20Limbcleaver/Usagi_Limbcleaver_GURPS_106_v2.html

Although that did make me realize the latest version on the repo still has BPN.

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>tfw no legionary waifu

>>82440403
No for real, that on her sheet is just Low Tech Armor Design from pyramid.

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Ordinary Olivia submitted. She's got a knife and she's absolutely afraid to use it!
Don't expect to see her often.

>>82439444
Hooky checked. Thanks for posting this, was looking at a bunch of tables referencing these but couldn’t find everything so well & plainly laid out.

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My saturday game is over but I am dead fucking tired.
We'll see if I can make room for some fights in the morning.

>>82441324
Steve vs Olivia when?

>>82443444
>Steve’s only win is the brutal execution of a young girl
>>82443389
Troll looks cool! Where you thinking of a team fight against it?

>>82443444
God I hope soon

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Usagi vs Mizuki

Round 1
The fighters move towards each other. Both are holding their weapons 2 handed.

Round 2
Mizuki evaluates
Usagi evaluates
Both step forward.
Initial evaluations are good in 1v1 scenarios

Round 3
Mizuki steps to her right and evaluates
Usagi steps forward and evaluates.

Round 4
Mizuki attempts a 2 handed swing at Usagi with deceptive (-2/-1) with another followup with her extr attack.
Usagi attempts a sideslip dodge to her left, she succeeds. Sideslips are a good defensive option for dodges as they provide +2 (retreat provides +3) without moving away from the enemy. However Usagi also manages to dodge the second one.

Usagi steps forward.
"Usagi destroy tiny fox! Take tiny fox man!"
Usagi All Out Feint and Attacks. She wins with Margin of Victory 2.
Her next attack is a deceptive attack as well.
Mizuki dodge and retreats. She just makes it

Round 5
Mizuki, feeling like she can handle this and that her huge opponent can't last forever, goes for another simple deceptive 2h swing at Usagi.
Usagi tries to dodge, but not fast enough. However, Mizuki misses anyway thanks to getting too tricky for herself with the deceptive.

"Usagi Smash you, then smash husband. In bed!"
Usagi steps forward with an all out (+4) determined deceptive (-6/-3)
Mizuki tries a retreating dodge but the deceptive makes her miss by 1.
MIZUKI ACTIVATES LUCK
rolls twice more; one is a success! She dodge retreats successfully!

>>82443460
>thinking he'll win
he's gonna miss and then get stabbed

>>82443523
*watches with baited breath*

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>>82443523
Round 6
A marginal escape, Mizuki decides for a stop hit. Waiting for Usagi to come to her.

Usagi steps forward, already picturing Mizuki's handsome husband.
Usagi steps forward intending to disarm. Usagi loses the Stop hit roll, but both successfully defend, so neither hits the other.

Round 7
Mizuki steps to her left and unleashes two attacks in one turn with her Extra attack. Usagi retreats and dodges successfully.

Usagi now lacks the reach to hit Mizuki with a regular attack. She opts to close the distance with a committed attack (determined); this gives her an extra step. She makes it a deceptive (-4/-2) thrust but Mizuki manages to parry the axe's pointy speartip.

Round 8
With the bunnygirl now unable to retreat out of range. Mizuki unleashes 2 deceptive attacks.
Usagi tries dodging but the committed attack means she can't retreat, and she fails both.
She takes 7 and 3 damage and rolls for berserk, she fails by 1.

Usagi screams and unleashes a deceptive (-6/-3) AoA (+4) determined attack.
Mizuki attempts a retreating parry, but fails by with a really terrible roll of 15. She fails by 6; even acrobatic dodge saves her not.
Usagi meanwhile hits, her axe whips up and cleaves down.
24 injury to Mizuki's torso as Usagi's Axe hacks through her ribcage.
Knockdown: Pass
Consciousness: Fail
Death: Pass
Mizuki's eyes go wide as her flesh is parted by the axe and then her eyes roll back. She falls to the ground, blood dripping from the axe that felled her.
Usagi stands over her, her chest heaving with her breaths, she comes to her senses, and blinks her red eyes.
"USAGI BEST!" She shouts. Mizuki isn't about to die but she'll have to rest up a lot.

Analysis: Just don't roll a fucking 15 against a berserker when you have 9HP. Perhaps a defensive attack would have been better. They do less damage while also increasing your defense; this allows one to fight her with less risk of triggering her berserk while protecting oneself. Might be the way to go there.

>>82443658
24, good lord. How much does it take to get into "chopped in half" territory?

>>82443658
Usagi a best
I bet she loves to cuddle and cutesy dates too

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>>82443658
MIZUKI NO, NOT AGAIN
Gotta either go defensive or go for broke with neck shots or something...

>>82443764
-5xHP is instadeath, no roll. -10xHP is complete bodily destruction. Mizuki has 9 HP.

>>82443767
I love the dichotomy
>Huge barbarian
>Super curvy
>Romantic
>Loves cute boys
>A beast on the battlefield
>Bunny costume
>Huge axe
>Cute hairclip

>>82443658
It's rare when a character with a name like limbcleaver 100% lives up to their name.
But holy fuck the absolute state of this fat tatted rabbit.

>>82443850
Its like if Conan was a girl and wore a bunnysuit

>>82443776
>go for broke with neck shots or something...
That might be an idea, maybe I should have had her be more aggressive rather than trying to be defensive and use reach while fishing for failures from Usagi with her attacks. The thing is if she'd failed at that she would have absolutely been deleted too.

>>82443658
So basically, within the constraints of the current number of points, going all in on power and toughness is clearly the best option
>take 1 hit
>survive
>enemy takes 1 hit
>dies
seem like it's the pattern every time.