>>84463018
Dude, you forget to say "in your games!" Mods might think that this post is off-topic if you don't.

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What about them?

>>84463084
The Hell? What exactly is the context here?

>>84463098
I don't know, your guess is as good as mine.
What do you think?

>>84463098

It's a yuri hentai comic set in a concentration camp. It has a heavy emphasis on degradation and humiliation.

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>>84463018
Nephilim
Lilim
Satan kicking you in the dick to prove a point to the Boss

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This is a Jewish zombie.

>>84463098
the dom nazi gaslights and molests the jewish girl for a bit who gets bullied for being the "favourite". they break up for a bit, the allies raid the camp and its implied the jewish girl killed the nazi, but then theres an epilogue where the roles are reversed and the nazi girl is kept as a rape slave of the jewish girl. fairly standard stuff really

>>84463098
You need to go back

>>84463259
Go back where?

>>84463018
the lion-men of Moab are underrated

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>>84463139
Lich*

>>84463124
What's the title?

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>>84463018

>>84464623
What was jesus's phylactery?

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>>84465969
The Holy Grail perhaps?

>>84463041
>jannies deleting spam or off topic threads
Good one. They only monitor these threads for wrongthink and nonowords

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>>84465969
His blood and flesh passed on through communion.
You have to kill all followers to end him.

>>84466157
absolutely metal

>>84465969
The cloth he folded in his tomb

>>84463018
YHWH: God of war, national god of the Israelites
Rabbi Yeshua Ben Yosef: Powerful Magician

>>84466157
Kinda cool. I might use this.

>>84463139
Lich, Hecuva, or Risen Martyr.

>>84463018
>Uridimmu
>Jewish
You're off by a few centuries there bud.

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do jews have the holy trinity like christians do?

>>84463139
k e k

>>84463018
>from jewish mythology

You mean ancient or from the last century?

>>84466154
why are they so trigger happy recently?
the most ancient and evil monsters in folklore seem to be the jannies!

These blogs are good places to start both are a little Normie Boomer-y though.
https://jewishmonsterhunting.com/
http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2011/12/was-eisav-vampire.html

Also this podcast but it can get pretty fuckign tumblr.
https://anchor.fm/throwingsheyd

Finally just type in crazy words like demon or necromancer into sefaria.org, and set the settings to commentary, Kabbalah and Midrash.

>>84467455
>You're off by a few centuries there bud.
Judaisim at least in its Rabbinic form is to Mesopotamian religion, what Buddhism is to Hinduism. We just call them angels (always lawful), astral spirits, or demons (evil tendencies).

>>84463139
>>84466157

Alright if we're going here, let's talk about what Kikes such as myself have traditionally thought of the Jesusm'n. At the moment, the majority are fine with him but fucking hate Paul but this wasn't originally the case. Mostly because one, Christians wanted to convert us by force if necessary and two, Christian Rome was the enemy of the Parthians so the guys writing shit in the 3rd century would write about him like Americans would write about Lenin in the 50s if Lenin was L. Ron Hubbard.
Back to the point let's get to three questions that need to be answered before writing the Jesus as a monster.

>Why don't we Shekelfiends accept the Jesusm'n?
He was too much like God and not enough like Moses. Yes really, Judaisim has a very ambivalent view of God to the point where he can range from benevolent sovereign to Enemy that we still work with. Either way it's required for humans, like Moses to reign God in with their mortal perspectives. Beyond world peace, the Messiah is also supposed to bring a Newer gentler perfected Torah, but by that we mean a lawcode with rulings and shit that can reasonably be applied to a state or communities. Jesus may have theoretically done this if you buy the commune theory of early Christianity.

>>84463233
The fuck?

>>84468920
Huh, neat. I always thought the “Jewish people argue with God about his own rules” thing was a meme. How much truth is there actually to that

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>>84468973

>>84463124
>>84463233
Sauce?

>>84466157
I'm not even mad, that's an interesting idea. Maybe I should steal it.

>>84469044
>pic related
Relatable actually. Also sauce?

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>>84469077
https://nhentai.net/g/283721/
word of warning it gets pretty weird in epilogue (pg. 20 onwards)

>>84469216
Thanks fren.

>>84463018
Re'em and Leviathans are the coolest kaiju

>>84467784
What do u fuckin think

>>84467784
No. We see god as a purely singular being, without alternate forms/aspects.

>>84465969
God the Father raised Him.
Himself, obviously.

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>>84468920
(cont).
This may have been the case if you believe the commune theory of Christian origins but it seems to have been done away with shortly before Constantine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080529164304/http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/pdf/RealMessiahBookPages_v4ab.pdf Read Page 41 on and the infancy Gospel of Thomas for more on this. We also already have Enoch in a similar role, and he started as a (very smart) human.

>Was Jesus a Lich.
Kind of sort of, the thing is that all Rabbis were thought of as sorcerers especially as Rabbis didn't start as priests or even scribes. They started as the guys who knew enough shit to help you, who were willing to do it for free. So in that case, the real question would then be if Jesus was LHP. The Talmud would certainly say so, the majority of scholars say RHP, but a few voices such as Morton Smith and Lynn Picknett suggest that he was in fact a lhp follower and charged for his services.
As for his power source, it was sometimes suggested to be the captured soul of the prophet John The Baptist as well as other members of the unhappy dead, a guy who according to Picknett, he had a hand in doing in via a connection with the Herods through Salome. If this was the case then it'd probably be true that Jesus himself would be a necromancer, or in local parlance Baal Ob, a guy who attains powers via the mediumship of captive souls. Also (from a Jewish or neoplatonic perspective) the fact that he's seen as a discrete entity not inherently part of humans and in need of being channeled or awakened who joins souls to himself as dominant party, can be construed as him eating souls of the deceased in a similar manner to Pharaoh Unas. The fact that souls were his main power source while alive, and that powerful ghosts could make pacts with humans in exchange for devouring them or incorporating them upon death in Ugaritic lore only adds to this.
There's also the Rephaim connection, if you keep the virgin birth idea.

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>>84469353
>different viewpoints
>with sources
Neat.

>>84469353
(cont).

The watchers of Enochic fame were the sons of Elohim (an ambiguous plural term that has been used by the Lurianic schools to refer to beings analogous to the Gnostic, Demiurge or the otuer gods). Who had kids with mortal women called Nephilim, Anakim and Rephaim who were huge asshole cannibal giant sorcerers, who basically ran amok over the whole world before the flood. Their mothers would do this and have these 'virgin births', in exchange for magical secrets. These beings would be in many ways analogous to the Titans especially because the word Titan comes from the Northwest Semitic word Ditanu, who was king of the Rephaim. After death these beings would resemble their fathers much more than in life, as weird monstrous spirit beings that can do all kinds of bizarre shit. If you want context, according to the Rabbinic texts, these were the guys and their cultists Moses was murdering the fuck out of before Joshua turned his attention to humans.
Jesus in the previously mentioned infancy gospels, especially that of Thomas acts quite a bit like what one would imagine a baby Nephilim would act. Including randomly killing people, torturing people for no reason, and all around being a psychotic little brat. Keep in mind this wasn't in the Heracles, 'oh my Zeus how could I have killed my music teacher' way he was totally chill with the fact he just struck a boy dead for the crime of bumping into him and already had adult levels of knowledge. In that gospel and others like it, he slowly becomes a better person specifically due to the influence of his family and to a lesser extent local Rabbis until the spirit of God descends on him with John the Baptist, so if you want to do him in a Hellboy esque way its possible.

>The Pacal Lamb
In a lot of writings, especially Paul, Jesus is compared to the Passover Lamb with the idea being that his blood protects those from death.

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>>84469631
>who were huge asshole cannibal giant sorcerers
This fits perfectly with the red-haired giants of Native American myth.

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>>84469645
it's quite simple, really

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>>84469612
https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-ashkenazi-gene-increases-schizophrenia-1.5294333
From The World (sic) itself.
Granted, it's Ashkenazi (the nun was really a waw).
>>84469645
Hyper-dimensions, bro. Emanations, bruh. Mysteries, akhi.

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>>84469631
The problem with this analogy from a Jewish perspective is that the Passover Lamb that Moses slaughtered represented Egyptian god and semi demonic spirit of the constellation Aries, Amun ("The origin of alchemy according to Zosimos and a Hebrew parallel", Moshe Idel). For the most part, the majority of people living in Ancient Syria fucking hated the egyptian, to the point where it's pretty clear that the Baal cycle is a reversed version of the Osiris Passion with Seth (Baalu) as the hero and Osiris (Motu) and his son Horus (Horon) as the villain. The reason for this hatred is because if you were an ancient Near Eastern state about to be conquered, the Egyptians would be the last people you wanted to do it. The entire reason they did a lot of this colonizing and conquest wasn't for glory or material rewards, but because their gods wanted them to kill foreigners and gingers, the sons of Seth in revenge for killing Osiris (Toby Wilkinson, Budge). The fact that their religion was mostly Chthonic whereas traditional semitic paganism was mostly astral certainly didn't help. Its also possible to incorporate Adam or Adammu who was semi divine himself and named the red one, (Korpel, De Moor, Idel) as a deity who was in many ways close to Seth. With the serpent or devil. Azazel/Horon as the falcon serpent hybrid devil Horus, (Andrei Orlov). It's also implied that Horus was also seen as analogous to Nergal/Erra/Samael as the blind lord and dark shadow of Adam https://www.jstor.org/stable/595324?searchText=libyan+nergal&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Dlibyan%2Bnergal%26so%3Drel&ab_segments=0%2FSYC-6398%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3Ab91c950a5f43eb4cdcb1c8de22715d73&seq=1

In this scheme Amun was seen as the demiurge or the first one to attempt creation and he fucked up badly making all sorts of fucked up monsters analogous to the ones described in Berossus.

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>>84469782

>>84469782
Pneumatology is one of the most mind-numbing theological topics. It's where we get thousands of books of argument and an entire religion split in two over a word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque

>>84469797
Actually reading a lot of Kabbalistic texts I'm surprised it's limited to Askhenazim. In a weird way how Jews read the Torah is actually similar to how Bronies watch MLP, reading a lot of deep shit into the text that isn't there.

>>84469807
(Cont.)
At some point Amun, or the demiurge repented or was enlightened and made Adam with the help of various higher emanations to fix the mess he made. Surprise surprise, Adam fucks up and in many we're all even more fucked. This is really good for punished Anti Hero Jesus, because if Jesus=Pascal Lamb=Amun you can write him as Amun taking human form to try and clean up the mess he made while struggling with his darker tendencies. Or if you want evil Zombie Jesus he's a resurrected horus put together by Watchers to finish the job and convert himself and a select group of followers into a new set of Titans and conquer the earth ala Revelations. Honestly I'd go with the former idea of Anti Hero Amun, unless you're going for dark comedy or really grimdark.

>>84467784
They’ll explain at length why the trinity is nonsense, and then write the Zohar to explain how god broke Himself apart into 10 different beings to create the universe.

>>84467784
literally me on acid

>>84469216
the epilogue is different gun girls

>>84470041
Yeah, and that doesn't make the surprise futa any less weird.

>1 (one) Jew reveals super secret knowledge
>OY VEY THEY KNOW TO MUCH
Everytime.

>>84470151
>super secret

"Don't be a dick"?

>>84469631
>>84469807
>>84469960
See >>84469508
This is definitely better than the material M. Kirkbride got his stuff from.

"Trickster demiurge" my ass, the sun was the one who did all the planning and making.

>>84469247
Well they don't believe Jesus was the messiah, but I am not familiar if they even have a messiah figure in their beliefs. I know Islam does, just that it wasn't Jesus

>>84469289
So the messiah is not an aspect of god then

>>84463084
Looks like Suigintou

>>84469029
The entire tradition of pilpul is about trying to trap God in legal binding/protect Jews from God's wrath for breaking the rules. It's extremely adversarial

>>84470183
That's not a lesson in the Torah. If anything it's usually the opposite

>>84470994
Nope. The messiah is just an incredibly holy man, like the prophets of old. One shouldn't worship the messiah.

>>84465969
The Holy Prepuce.

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>>84469807
I like the idea that Adam derived from the ancestral word for blood. A-dam-u, bloody one, as from the blood of Kingu/Geshtu and (red) clay.

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>>84466157
>EAT SHIT SARACENS

Tell me if I'm wrong.
>Watchers of Enochic fame were sons of Elohim (ambiguous plural term to refer to analogues to the Gnostic, Demiurge, or the other gods)
>had kids with mortal women called Nephilim, Anakim, and Rephaim, who were huge asshole cannibal giant sorcerers, who basically ran amok over the whole world before the Flood (their mothers would do this and have these 'virgin births' in exchange for magical secrets)
>in many ways analogous to the Titans (especially because the word Titan comes from the Northwest Semitic word Ditanu, who was king of the Rephaim)
>after death, these beings would resemble their fathers much more than in life, as weird monstrous spirit beings that can do all kinds of bizarre shit (if you want context, according to the Rabbinic texts, these were the guys and their cultists Moses was murdering the fuck out of before Joshua turned his attention to humans)
>Jesus in the previously mentioned infancy gospels, especially that of Thomas, acts quite a bit like what one would imagine a baby Nephilim would act: including randomly killing people, torturing people for no reason, and all around being a psychotic little brat - Keep in mind this wasn't in the Heracles, 'oh my Zeus how could I have killed my music teacher' way, he was totally chill with the fact he just struck a boy dead for the crime of bumping into him and already had adult levels of knowledge; he slowly becomes a better person specifically due to the influence of his family and to a lesser extent local rabbis until the Spirit of God descends on him with John the Baptist, so if you want to do him in a Hellboy-esque way
>in a lot of writings, especially Paul, Iesous is compared to the Passover Lamb with the idea being that his blood protects those from death
>the problem with this analogy from a Jewish perspective is that the Passover Lamb that Moses slaughtered represented Egyptian god and semi-demonic spirit of the constellation Aries, Amun

>>84471748
>for the most part, the majority of people living in Ancient Syria fucking hated the Egyptian, to the point where it's pretty clear that the Baal cycle is a reversed version of the Osiris passion with Seth (Baalu) as the hero and Osiris (Motu) and his son Horus (Horon) as the villain
>the reason for this hatred is because if you were an Ancient Near/Middle Eastern state about to be conquered, the Egyptians would be the last people you wanted to do it
>the entire reason they did a lot of this colonizing and conquest wasn't for glory or material rewards, but because their gods wanted them to kill foreigners and gingers, the sons of Seth, in revenge for killing Osiris; the fact that their religion was mostly chthonic whereas traditional Semitic paganism was mostly astral certainly didn't help
>it's also possible to incorporate Adammu (Adam) who was semi-divine himself and named the Red One as a deity who was in many ways close to Seth, with the serpent or devil Azazel/Horon as the falcon serpent hybrid devil Horus; it's also implied that Horus was also seen as analogous to Nergal/Erra/Samael as the blind lord and dark shadow of Adam
>in this scheme Amun was seen as the Demiurge, or the first one to attempt creation and he fucked up badly making all sorts of fucked up monsters analogous to the ones described in Berossus
>at some point Amun, or the Demiurge, repented or was enlightened and made Adam with the help of various higher emanations to fix the mess he made
>surprise surprise! Adam fucks up and in many we're all even more fucked

>>84471761
>this is really good for punished anti-hero Jesus, because if Yeshua=Paschal Lamb=Amun you can write him as Amun taking human form to try and clean up the mess he made while struggling with his darker tendencies - or if you want evil zombie Yehoshua, he's a resurrected Horus put together by Watchers to finish the job and convert himself and a select group of followers into a new set of Titans and conquer the Earth à la Revelations
>as for his power source, it was sometimes suggested to be the captured soul of the prophet John the Baptist as well as other members of the unhappy dead
>also (from a Jewish or neo-Platonic perspective) the fact that he's seen as a discrete entity not inherently part of humans and in need of being channeled or awakened who joins souls to himself as dominant party, can be construed as him eating souls of the deceased in a similar manner to pharaoh Unas; the fact that souls were his main power source while alive, and that powerful ghosts could make pacts with humans in exchange for devouring them or incorporating them upon death in Ugaritic lore only adds to this
>if this was the case then it'd probably be true that Jesus himself would be a necromancer, or in local parlance "Baal Ob", a guy who attains powers via the mediumship of captive souls, who had a hand in doing in via a connection with the Herods through Salome
>kind of sort of, the thing is that all Rabbi were thought of as sorcerers especially as rabbis didn't start as priests or even scribes - they started as the guys who knew enough shit to help you, who were willing to do it for free

>>84469612
not this shit again

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Funny enough there's an actual wave of such being looked at lately in such circles.
...can't imagine why, nope.

>>84471773
Yee.

>>84469161
Oglaf.

>>84468920
If it's any consolation, "fuck Paul" is something you could get most goose stepping /pol/acks to agree on.

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>>84463084
post the whole thing

>>84469029
In Genesis, God plans on blowing up Sodom and Gomorrah because they were a bunch of inhospitable assholes while Abraham tried to reason with him because he has family there. God relented and said "alright, if you can find 5 good people I will spare the cities". He never did find enough of those good people.

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>>84471100
Pretty much.

>>84466157
I know modern religious paintings can be pretty silly, but I've always really liked this one. The artist worked so hard to depict as many warriors of different places and time periods as he could think of, I'm impressed.

>>84470994
Nope. Jesus was a rabbi, and depending on which sect you you ask, even a messiah, but messiah are just very holy men, and there can be several.

>>84470994
Messiah literally just means "anointed one" not necessarily savior, that's THE messiah.

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>>84475019
those proportions though - the rifle is 110cm (3'8) and the doll si pretty much 1:1 to the rifle

>>84466157
This idea is actually pretty good I am legitimately going to steal this idea for a lich cult/religious leader

>>84469819
I’m confused here. What are we supposed to be looking at?

>>84477559
blasphemy, in the most literal sense of the word

>>84466157
>Spain gains
>Ivpiter?
I am dead.

>>84468920
>>84469353
>>84469631
>>84469807
>>84469960
Great quality posts good job.
I find it funny I am reading this as I am also reading the guide to the perplexed and the zohar.

>>84463018
this is how furry races should be done not just some walking animal with sassy facial expressions

>>84469960
Jews read the Torah with a lock of backtext so to speak, and a lot of the interpretations are purely "for convenience" of the time, thus why in things like the Zohar, Talmud, etc... (namely commentary texts) you have absolutely, to put it mildly, spicy takes about people outside the folk religion or practices that are eyebrow raising.

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>>84476344
eine*
Kanone is a feminine word.

>>84477559
Left
Complex
Right
Extremely simple programming jank.

>>84477559
Have you heard of the conversion of Ireland by Saint Patrick? It's not a tale the English would like to tell.

>>84476344
There's a fandom injoke that the doll or gun randomly changes size.

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>>84478695
can't really blame them for not wanting to talk about it

>>84469289
based jew

>>84478779
It’s snakes, right? Also, seriously, why did they include Tigers of all creatures?

>>84463098
>The Hell? What exactly is the context here?
>He doesn't know
hello new friend

>>84469029
>How much truth is there actually to that
"The Law is not in Heaven" my guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oven_of_Akhnai

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I love how autistic Judaism is. Like sure lots of people want to kill us, we're going extinct because secular Jews marry non-Jews and observant Jews are inbred, we can't attract new members because we don't evangelize or try to tackle big issues like what the afterlife is like.

But arguments about stuff like whether tearing sheets of toilet paper counts as work on the Sabbath are a great use of our time.

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>>84481412
They don't want the truth of Saint Patrick hunting down the spirit tigers that their magic blood can grant immortality.

This is every bit as schizo as a /pol/or /x/ thread.

>>84483813
And how does that make you feel?

>>84482315
>But arguments about stuff like whether tearing sheets of toilet paper counts as work on the Sabbath are a great use of our time.
The only place I've heard of more inane arguments is..here.

>>84469029
Literally a core aspect of our religious identity. Israel translates as "one who struggles/wrestles with God". The people of Israel are the people who struggle with God. From basically the start the Jewish relationship with God has always been benevolent, but occasionally antagonistic, like the relationship between a child and their very strict parent.

Pretty much all of our prophets argued with God at some point during their tenures, some of them even won. This has evolved into the view that this capacity to question the reasoning of even God himself is a virtue that God values and tacitly encourages. This is part of why Judaism puts such a large emphasis on religious study for all of its followers, not just the priestly class, so that everyone may have the ability to ask questions and find not just an answer, but the reasoning behind it.

>>84470994
No more so than Moses was. Judaism doesn't treat its prophets the way Catholicism treats its saints. Even the holiest of men are still flawed, imperfect, and mortal just like the rest of us. They're still capable of making mistakes even when guided by the hand of God.

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>>84485001
>Literally a core aspect of our religious identity. Israel translates as "one who struggles/wrestles with God". The people of Israel are the people who struggle with God. From basically the start the Jewish relationship with God has always been benevolent, but occasionally antagonistic, like the relationship between a child and their very strict parent.

I'd argue even the latter version is a bit too soft. A lot of medieval sources show God as having gone somewhat insane with ritual theurgy acting as a tool to reconstruct his psyche.
I think most of this has to do with the old semitic idea of man vs god with man as the doomed moral victor, (GIlgamesh, Adapa, Etana, Naram Sin and Sargon stories, Keret cycle) that's in many ways alien to IE cultures.

>>84485113
>No more so than Moses was. Judaism doesn't treat its prophets the way Catholicism treats its saints. Even the holiest of men are still flawed, imperfect, and mortal just like the rest of us. They're still capable of making mistakes even when guided by the hand of God.

Sort of, the general idea pre haskalah is this. The majority of Jewish Saints and Prophets, are on average more op than Catholic saints but a lot of that is due to practice and knowledge rather than some inherent divine quality that other people are lacking. Quite a bit of the miracles they preform are seen less as asking God for stuff and more due to earning powers on loan from God, and knowing how to use them. The best comparison I can make is the new age concept of Ascended masters where they can still provide intellectual guidance and wisdom as 'spirit guides' (maggids) but are still fallible and you don't pray to them, they are simply beings who are farther along on their path than you.

>>84484825
Honestly there's more than a few similarities. A lot of rabbinical discourse is conducted by very passionate and opinionated people with a broad knowledge base, gets bogged down in minutae and details that most would consider completely meaningless, and likes to use reason and extrapolation to fill in the gaps where explicit canon is unclear or confusing. A lot of rabbinical debates do read kind of like a /tg/ debate, right down to arguments over Rules as Intended vs Rules as Written.

>>84482315
If Judaism is going to die, then by God we're going to die doing what we've done everyday since we first left Egypt. Arguing incessantly over moral minutiae and putting way too much thought into everything we do.

>>84473076
LET CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD

>>84485329
I love this post but it will break a lot of people hanging around here, maybe not too many on /tg/.
You know who.

>>84485905
People hate what resembles them the most.

>>84485116
Where is that paragraph from?

>>84463018
>The federal reserve

>>84467784
Lugh?

>>84485329
I seem to remember some Jewish legend about a rabbi who refused to concede on some inane point with such stubbornness that literal divine intervention couldn't get him to change his mind. That's as /tg/ as it comes

>>84487164
Really? What was the point?

>>84463259
>faggot anime/manga
You need to go back
>>>/a/

>>84487583
>>84487164
That pizza ovens could be considered Kosher. See >>84482289

>>84485001
Interesting. I suppose the idea that god made man with free will do he had someone to argue with is pretty interesting.

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>>84487008
>Where is that paragraph from?

Pic related other good sources for this idea of confronting the divine are

>Joseph's Bones
>Studies in Jewish Myth and Jewish Messianism, Yehuda Liebes
>Divine and Demonic in the Poetic Mythology of the Zohar
>Souls on Fire by Elie Wiesel

The last one is extra fucking tragic if read last, especially the bits on Levi Yhitzak.

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>>84487776

Pic related is from lives on fire, specifically a conversation he had in a concentration camp.

>INB4 Dat don't real

At least try and fucking appreciate the drama and existential despair.

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>>84487792
Last one.

>>84487776
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>>84487834
Wow, thank you for the sources! And wow, those two snippets that were posted were incredibly depressing, yet also uplifting

>>84487976
>Wow, thank you for the sources! And wow, those two snippets that were posted were incredibly depressing, yet also uplifting

Yeah Judaism is basically the Noble Dark religion imo. Especially because it's implied that God is benevolent solely out of theurgy.

>source:Moshe Idel Kabbalah New Perspectives


More on egregores.
https://www.sefaria.org/Or_HaChaim_on_Exodus.14.10.3?ven=Or_Hachayim,_trans._Eliyahu_Munk&vhe=On_Your_Way&lang=bi

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>forgot pic

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Ignore

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>>84488179
Ignore the one above the previous it's the same as. >>84488146

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>>84488189
And now for the real kicker and perhaps the darkest bit of all. Especially on why we fight so hard to keep the divine realm stabilized and in line.

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>>84488197
And just to really let it sink in. Hivya means Dragon by the way, and Ein Sof, or 'without end' is traditionally thought to be the highest level of divinity.

>>84488132
>Especially because it's implied that God is benevolent solely out of theurgy
Assuming that theurgy here means "acts intended to invoke the aid of a supernatural deity", how is such an attitude exactly different from attitudes that cultures contemporary to the development of Judaism had with the benevolence of their own gods, that they are benevolent to humanity as a whole because of how they answer our prayers, not because they are intrinsically good?

>>84488253
I mean theurgy in the sense of God as an egregore who is maigcally given shape and mind through magical ritual actions. Read the texts above.

This is your reminder to read Unsong.

>>84465969
That needle he kept going on about

>>84488331
Ye, lol. I wrote and clicked post on that before I updated the thread as it is now. Oddly 40k-like, that attitude towards God in the Kabbalah
Though, how do the sages ultimately come to these conclusions regarding God as an egregore when, to the extent of my knowledge, the Kabbalah is a mystical explication and elaboration of, and thus based on the Bible, and thereby constrained by what is said within the latter? How do the sages then, get around the explicit statement that mankind was made in the image of God? Do they rely on, in part, mystical experiences to supply the material for these conclusions?

How has nobody mentioned golems or dybbuks yet? Golems are particularly interesting in modern settings because carving "truth" into a lump of clay to animate it is close to how computers work, by carving billions of true/false logic gates into a rock.

>>84485329
>>84485905
It is exactly the same thing. People spend hours arguing over Mein Kampf and the esoteric meaning of the Schwarze Sonne or get bogged down in scriptural analysis to prove a mundane political point, and people who come in telling them to get a job / get a life / have sex are roundly jeered. The comparison to the haredi would chap a lot of asses over there but it's true.
It's the most fun I've had arguing about religion since my bar mitzvah. I believe the Holocaust didn't happen but would get disowned if I said as much to my family.

>>84488438
You confuse me? I'm assuming you're Askhenazi which just makes it more confusing.

>>84488407
>Though, how do the sages ultimately come to these conclusions regarding God as an egregore when, to the extent of my knowledge, the Kabbalah is a mystical explication and elaboration of, and thus based on the Bible, and thereby constrained by what is said within the latter? How do the sages then, get around the explicit statement that mankind was made in the image of God? Do they rely on, in part, mystical experiences to supply the material for these conclusions?
The Bible with the exception of the lawcodes and Exodus narrative are mostly written by the extremely conservative Jebusite, in the no fun allowed sense, southern temple cult which died with Jerusalem in 70 AD. Earlier versions existed of course, but they have to be reconstructed by careful analysis of the E source. The entire point of the Rabbis and Kabbalah in general was basically to squeeze in as much of the older folk religion and shit that was practiced before the united monarchy into the theology as possible.

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>>84488470
Yes, I'm Ashkenazi, although mixed with western European. Being raised with two sides of the extended family having contradictory religious beliefs meant I knew from a young age that someone wasn't telling the truth.

To your point about reconstructing ancient beliefs, I've been intrigued by the "Judaism was founded by Akhenaten's exiled priests" hypothesis from the last few years.

>>84488470
>Earlier versions existed of course, but they have to be reconstructed by careful analysis of the E source.
Were the Rabbis and the Sages themselves aware of the fact that their scriptures were composed out of multiple sources in the past, before the last two centuries or so?

>>84488594
>To your point about reconstructing ancient beliefs, I've been intrigued by the "Judaism was founded by Akhenaten's exiled priests" hypothesis from the last few years.

Disproven for the most part. It's relatively clear that YHWH was Enki or analogous.

>Yes, I'm Ashkenazi, although mixed with western European. Being raised with two sides of the extended family having contradictory religious beliefs meant I knew from a young age that someone wasn't telling the truth.

Jews or Christians? I'm starting to doubt you're really Jewish just because no one has fun at their Bar Mitzvah or says anything meaningful for their D'var Torah.
>>84488595
>Were the Rabbis and the Sages themselves aware of the fact that their scriptures were composed out of multiple sources in the past, before the last two centuries or so?

Maybe, the rabbis had a tendency to dance around things, and keep a lot of their core theology hidden. There was a whole commentary or retelling of Genesis that was forbidden to be written down.

>>84488376
>That needle he kept going on about
Can a Camel be a Phylactery?

>>84488227
>Hivya means Dragon by the way,


Is this part of the whole Yahweh is a dragon idea?

>>84488741
My rabbi would lead the 12 year olds' bar mitzvah prep classes in debates and really push us to defend our positions. That would have continued for the post bar mitzvah classes but my family moved away afterwards and our new rabbi was boring. It wasn't the bar mitzvah ceremony itself - reading torah, haftarah, and midrash was just brute memorization since I couldn't recognize all the words without vowel marks - but that it marked the end of access to a good temple. The place we moved to barely had bagels, let alone a healthy Jewish community.

>>84488741
>It's relatively clear that YHWH was Enki or analogous.
I thought Yahweh was derived from Indra/the Indo-European thunder deity, given that Indra was first worshipped (or at least recorded to be worshipped) in 1400 BC by the Mitanni, a people with an Indo-Aryan ruling class that had a large and powerful kingdom in northeast Asia Minor, and how ancient Israel had extensive contact with other peoples that were themselves of Indo-European derivation (the Hittites) or extensively influenced by the Mitanni (the Jebusites). That is not to mention the similarities between both Indra and early Yahweh, in how both are described as leaders of celestial armies, both are rather violent protectors of mankind/their chosen people, how both are storm deities, how both are described as causing massive amounts of water to appear through their actions, and how both were associated with bulls (IIRC the first recognizably Israelite holy site had a bronze bull as one of its main icons).
>>84488741
>There was a whole commentary or retelling of Genesis that was forbidden to be written down.
Can you please elaborate on this?
>Is this part of the whole Yahweh is a dragon idea?
Can you please elaborate on this as well?

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>>84488940
>I thought Yahweh was derived from Indra/the Indo-European thunder deity, given that Indra was first worshipped (or at least recorded to be worshipped) in 1400 BC by the Mitanni, a people with an Indo-Aryan ruling class that had a large and powerful kingdom in northeast Asia Minor, and how ancient Israel had extensive contact with other peoples that were themselves of Indo-European derivation (the Hittites) or extensively influenced by the Mitanni (the Jebusites). That is not to mention the similarities between both Indra and early Yahweh, in how both are described as leaders of celestial armies, both are rather violent protectors of mankind/their chosen people, how both are storm deities, how both are described as causing massive amounts of water to appear through their actions, and how both were associated with bulls (IIRC the first recognizably Israelite holy site had a bronze bull as one of its main icons).

Nah the storm god as Bull is probably originally semitic or Sumerian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_bull. Just like the universe creating version of the Khaoskampf as opposed to the more toned down IE slaying of the water hoarding dragon motif. Besides that most of Yahweh's actions in the Genesis cycle, the tower of Babel, the flood story, the Eden narrative are also attributed to Enki. Especially the Metatron stuff as Ea and Marduk have the exact same relation as Metatron and YHWH. Hell some people even think that Ea (the semitic name for Enki) and YHWH share the same root and both are blueish water deities https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/To-Be-or-Not-to-Be%2C-That-Is-the-Question%3A-Yhwh-and-Kitz-Clifford/df144c0a741f4e34f9e8a7405e3f8ae790e1a374. This isn't even getting into the og covenant at Marah where Moses throws a branch into bitter water and turns it into 'sweet water.

>Secret Genesis
Andrei Orlov spends most of his time reconstructing it.
>Dragon
https://www.academia.edu/34056071/The_Serpent_as_a_Symbol_of_Primeval_Yahwism

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>>84489061
(cont). Also you're in some ways overestimating how powerful the Mitanni were and underestimating how old the storm god concept in the ANE is (Thorkild Jacobsen). For the most part the Mitanni were really only a thing in the north, and was ruling over a mostly Hittite (anatolian IE) population. Meanwhile Israel and the Transjordan were for the most part squabbled over by the Hittites, Egyptians, and various Amorite warriors. There is definitely IE influence but the majority of it would've come from the Hittites, just like Greek mythology, (From Hittite to Homer).

>>84489119
>underestimating how old the storm god concept in the ANE is
Can you please elaborate on that?

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>>84489151
>Can you please elaborate on that?

Sure, basically as an agricultural civilization whose rivers were unreliable as fuck rain was a really, really really big fucking deal in Ancient Mesopotamia and especially in Ancient Syria because it was the only guarantee that your crops would grow. Because of this the young male storm god, son of the grain god was often times worshipped as the perpetually newly minted head of the pantheon who went around fighting death/drought, the sea and a shitton of other monsters before dying and being resurrected.

By contrast the storm god is a lot rarer and less important in IE cultures because for most of history they were pastoralists with access to grass outside of the winter, with the exception of Zeus and Thor. I really have no idea about Thor but it's pretty obvious that Zeus is a hybrid between the IE daytime skyfather and the semitic storm god especially in the Gigantomachy.

>>84489209
Anon, I'm pretty sure Hitler was a real person.

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>>84489261
To this day my favorite fake conspiracy theory is that Jews don't exist and being called a Jew was like being called a witch, except it happened longer. People only started pretending to be Jews after ww2

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>>84482289
> Rabbi Eliezer cries out, "If the halakha is in accordance with my opinion, the walls of the study hall will prove it." The walls of the study hall begin to fall, but are then scolded by Rabbi Joshua ben Hananiah who reprimands the walls for interfering in a debate among scholars. Out of respect for Rabbi Joshua, they do not continue to fall, but out of respect for Rabbi Eliezer, they do not return to their original places.
> It was said that Rabbi Eliezer had the power to destroy the whole world, yet due to the respectful manner in which he was ostracized, only a third of the world's crops were destroyed.

All things aside, I like Judaism and the Jews. It's quite a unique religion and I like how God isn't perfect. And as I always say to /pol/fags who sperg out, Israelis aren't Jews

>>84463127
I will never understand why Kaneko gave Lilith those freaky ass hands and feet.

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>>84489511
>> It was said that Rabbi Eliezer had the power to destroy the whole world, yet due to the respectful manner in which he was ostracized, only a third of the world's crops were destroyed.

It's legit scary that despite how op the early Rabbis were, they were still terrified of shit like high level of demons and warrior angels. Then again the list of entities with planet busting feats in Judaisim is surprisingly large, and includes the letter K in its ranks.

>>84470976
They have a prophesied messiah (Judaism is of course where the term comes from) but he has not arrived yet, with Jews and the Messiah being like Christians and the second coming, "Any second now!"
Jesus's whole thing was claiming to be that messiah, obviously the Jews who believed him became Christians, and the ones who didn't didn't.

>>84485001
Huh, so do I get it right that questioning the Bible is absolutely allowed and even encouraged in Judaism?

>>84487673
Nah, don't think I will.

>>84489826
>Huh, so do I get it right that questioning the Bible is absolutely allowed and even encouraged in Judaism?

Not really questioning the Bible and questioning God are different. The Torah, especially the legal bits are the things we use to question God. However in terms of narrative interpretation has always been welcome as long as its not hard polytheistic.

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>>84463018
How can we put new twists on these while still referencing the original lore? I mean, they'd 'have' to adapt to the modern era at some point, right?

>>84463018
Sexy female concentration camp guards.

>>84469807
>For the most part, the majority of people living in Ancient Syria fucking hated the egyptia

Yes, Egypt was livinng rent free in their heads, even after it already collected all the physical taxes they were due from their Semitic subjects.
It's the weight of Empire.

>>84463139
LOL

>>84489826
Questioning the Bible in the "what did God mean by this and why do we think so" sense? Yes absolutely. Questioning the bible in the "Why do we listen to this and how do we know its real" sense? No.

The Torah is the word of God full stop. That is a fundamental axiom of Jewish thought. It's been written down and codified by humans, who are imperfect, so there's a bit of wiggle room when it comes to the literal meanings of words. But questioning the veracity of the rules and lessons expressed within it is a step too far. This does not mean that the Torah is a 100% literal description of events, Jews are not biblical literalists and accept that parts of the Torah are couched in metaphor or require certain cultural contexts to understand properly. The Torah may not be always be literally true, but it is the Truth and we follow its laws because that is what it means to be a Jew, end of discussion.

That said, while questioning the bible itself is verboten, questioning God is another thing entirely. The law is the law, no one is going to argue that the rules don't exist, but the intention and the being behind those rules is open to examination, and examination sparks questions, which can in turn spark criticisms.

Life is hard, living a good life is even harder and its natural that we as flawed and imperfect people struggle with doing so and question why we put so much effort into something that only seems to make our lives more difficult. Doubt is natural, and both God and the community accept that it is just a part of being faithful. You're free to express your doubts when they occur, with the understanding of course that you are not entitled to answers and you are expected to keep up your practice, doubt or no. After all the law is the law.

As >>84489936 says, the word of God is what we use to question the word of God. God gave us the tools to argue against him, if he didn't want us to do so he wouldn't have given us those tools in the first place.

>>84483054
good job anon

>>84483054
very cool

>>84490260
Go on… What’s next please?

>>84473076
>in such circles.
And what are these circles?

>>84468920
Why do Jews spend so much time trying to find loopholes in God's law (shabbos got for example)? Do they really think they can out-jew the ultimate Jew? It's like the whole religion is built around trying to screw some else over, whether it be non-jews or God.

>>84497452
>Why do Jews spend so much time trying to find loopholes in God's law (shabbos got for example)? Do they really think they can out-jew the ultimate Jew? It's like the whole religion is built around trying to screw some else over, whether it be non-jews or God.

See >>84493063. Basically the idea is that God wants us to challenge him because God is insane and only has moments of clarity like on Sinai. There's also a /tg/ level obsession with proving yourself to be the smartest.

>>84463139
>not visibly decomposed
>able to use magic and speak
>can command the dead and fiends
Jesus is a lich.

>>84497501
(Cont.)

Also just a general near eastern proclivity towards using clever loopholes to get the better end of a situation. Though I'm guessing you've never met Armenians, Persians or Christian Syrians or really were even that aware of them. Its sort of a more intellectual and less violent version of the sentiment in the old Bedouin proverb, "I am against my brother, my brother and I are against my cousin, my cousin and I are against the stranger.". The Torah itself tried to mitigate to an extent but there's still plenty of Balkans style we hate our neighbors stuff bogging the sentiment down. Still for the most part we were relatively chill with each other when, or perhaps because of the fact the Greeks came and tried to enforce their culture on us.

>>84469675
>red-haired giants
Could they have been descended from Scandinavians/Vikings who were left behind in the new world?

>>84497998
I mean, I guess it's possible.
I read that some were meant to live inside mountains and would get their long hair tangled while climbing in, so the red hair probably comes from lava streams.

>>84497998
>Could they have been descended from Scandinavians/Vikings who were left behind in the new world?

Maybe though the memories would have to go through a helluva lot of telephone to get to the level of wtf they're currently at.

>>84485329
Rabbinical arguments are my favorite shitpost.

>>84497452
>Do they really think they can out-jew the ultimate Jew?
It's more like the ultimate Jew is directly encouraging them to try and out-jew him and enjoys watching how they manage to do so. God allows, if not outright desires, discussion/debate and is willing to concede the point to a well reasoned or clever enough argument.

>It's like the whole religion is built around trying to screw some else over, whether it be non-jews or God.
You're looking at it the wrong way. They're not trying to get one over on God, God sees what they're doing, laughs, and says "I'll allow it".

Think of it like technological development. Scientists and engineers aren't somehow screwing God over by finding all these neat new applications of natural laws. If you combine specific metals in a very specific way you create lots more electricity than is normally possible, but you probably wouldn't call that a loophole, it's just a new application of existing knowledge. There's nothing inherently immoral about making peoples lives easier. Let the Catholics flaggelate themselves before the cross or starve themselves in their church, if you can make your life easier and still be moral, why wouldn't you?

Occasionally some enterprising and clever jew comes up with a new way of doing things that reduces the amount of time or effort it takes to ensure you're following the rules, and so people start using it. That's all it is. They've just been at this for thousands of years so a lot of things have had enough time to become heavily refined versions of their initial idea.

>>84466123
Kinda based reply, ngl

Two demon demigods, Afrira and Kastimon.
http://www.kabbalah.info/eng/content/view/frame/2872?/eng/content/view/full/2872

The commentary is out to make them more generically evil, and modern 'incur people to sin'. But if the text is taken literally they'd be pretty good fantasy beings.

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>>84463018
They believed in vampires and werewolves, right?

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>>84463139
The Jewish Jesus, Yozel was a child that stole the
the sacred name of God by sewing it insides his feet. He grows wings and flies towards heaven until Rabbi Judah ejaculates on him making him impure and falls down.

>>84501749
Source of your pic please?

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>>84501749
Source: Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism by Howard Schwartz.

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>>84497452
>Why do Jews spend so much time trying to find loopholes in God's law
They are not laws to get out of the commandments, but loopholes to try and follow the commandments as completely as possible.

The biggest problem for Jews is that we don't know if God is a rulefag or not. Does he want us to follow the spirit of the law, or the word? Being left with this dilema, we try our hardest to follow both the letter and the spirit.

For many commandments, this can be impossible. How are you supposed to rest on shabbat, for example, if you can't do all sorts of key tasks that are forbidden under the strict letter of the law?

The answer is loopholes. If God is a rulefag, then he has no problem with loopholes, because we are still following the letter of the law. So if we follow the letter of the law, plus also loopholes that makes following the law easier, while also following the spirit of the law, we have all our bases covered.

>>84501507
The hebrew word for vampire is the exact same word as leech. Imagine a vampiric monster that isn't based on bats (which are actually quite cute creatures), but something dark and slimy and cold-blooded like a leech.

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>>84501507
Yes werewolves are pretty straight forward.
https://jewishmonsterhunting.com/category/werewolves/

Vampires are interesting, for the most part Jewish vampires are Estries which are harpylike creatures that suck blood through hairlike tendrils and can shift into human form. Besides that most Jewish vampires, Rephaim, Midrashic Amalekites, are closer to liches that happen to drink blood.

>>84502756
Also potentially of infernal origin. There's also the old semitic Leech goddess Amashilama who could be a cool patron for them.

>>84502756
Something like Count Orlok comes to mind on reading this. Even if he himself is less leech, more rats and plague.

>>84503069
>>84504346
>>84502756

Thought some more about the vampire leech idea. How does this sound?

>alukah are remnants of the imperfect demiurgic Genesis 1 creation
>a primordial species of Giant Leech with psychic abilities
>also parasitic breeders that laid eggs in lifeforms
>at some point in the Pre Diluvian era, various sorcerers began to fuse with these Alukah
eggs for longevity and magical power
>invertebrate traits also help with shapeshifting
>the most prominent being a witch known as Amashilama
>these sorcerers became the first vampires
>there are two classes of true vampires
>Alukim who are created when eggs are injected into a living person
>and Agagim who are made via ritual with one of the eggs of the true giant leeches
>for the most part Agagim are more powerful than Alukim and can command them relatively easily.

>>84499215
>It's more like the ultimate Jew is directly encouraging them to try and out-jew him and enjoys watching how they manage to do so.
>They're not trying to get one over on God, God sees what they're doing, laughs, and says "I'll allow it".
I have to ask, what is the source of this impressive confidence that your god enjoys, and even applauds, being out-jewed? You said he "directly encourages" it so I'm hoping for a clear-as-day perfect quote where your God tells Rabbi multiple times, exactly, word for word, what you said.

>>84505939
Limbus WHEN?

>>84505586
See the story in >>84482289. A group of Rabbis literally outvote God and use his own commandments to justify it. God said that legal precedent is to be determined by a majority vote of Rabbis, so when given a choice between the majority vote and genuine divine revelation, by God's own rules we are supposed to ignore him and go with the majority vote anyway.

God's response to this is to laugh with joy and say "my children have defeated me, my children have defeated me."

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>>84499215
I'm half Jewish on my father's side - I was always given the following explanation, which I found elegant.
>God is infallible, He does not make mistakes
Well, what does this mean? If we fully accept that God makes no mistakes, then there's no such thing as a Loophole in His rules. If there's some contrivance of wording that makes life more convenient within the rules-as-written, you're not TRICKING or CHEATING the almighty. He's perfect, makes no mistakes, ergo the loophole was intentional, it wasn't a loophole at all. Following the "Spirit of the Law" instead of the "Letter of the Law"? Oh, that's heresy. It's vile hubris, when you follow the "spirit" of the rules, you're essentially saying "What God really meant was...." and putting yourself before Him. God made a mistake? YOU think that you're the man to correct God? No way. It's not humility at all to ignore the loopholes, but pure pride. True obedience to the rules is to study them rigorously and exactly, in the knowledge that they're perfect, and that any apparent idiosyncrasy or loophole was part of the plan all along. Any other behavior refutes God's infallibility, and is therefore wrong.

>>84505944
>Limbus WHEN?
What the Hell is Limbus?

>>84502756
I like that idea

>>84466157
Jesus is the Erdtree ?

>>84509557
What if that's not Jesus?
What if that's King in the Yellow?

>>84469985
The kabbalah aren't inherent in Judiasm, they're sort of like Dante's Inferno, e.g. fanfiction that some take seriously.

>>84506301
I made sure to specify that I'd like to hear about multiple evidence. I don't request you to post all of it, just tell me whether you are willing to claim there is multiple evidence.

I think my request is fairly natural and I don't understand how you could have misread it. For you to have full confidence in your interpretation there must be a significant amount of stories which go in that direction. Preferably the majority, or all of them, even. I didn't ask to hear one story out of context among a huge body of work of a massive Faith. You read my post, you know I didn't ask for a single anecdote. Your story doesn't even strictly backs what you envision, I can easily imagine an all-knowing God with a sense of humor who plans his own "defeat" and even say "you have defeated me ha ha", without any of that being strictly true in the literal sense. This single anecdote cannot be mistaken for a widespread rule that your God can be wrong and always enjoys being proven wrong. With neither of these things proven, it is entirely possible that he is right 99% of the time and punish people 99% of the time for thinking for a single second that he might be wrong. What does your single anecdote can possibly teach me about his overall behavior? Why not answer my simple question about multiple unambiguous evidence?

If I had to choose between interpreting my God as weakminded, easily defeatable by mortals, OR with a sense of humor and in full control but pretending to be defeated once, just for kicks, I'd pick the later. I bet if someone said "hey you're the guy who worships a brainlet god dumber than your" then you'd be offended. I would be.

I'd still like to hear you claim there is a majority of evidence showing your god is unambiguously imperfect and enjoys being defeated by mortals and laughing about it. It happens all the time, right? There's like, 100+ stories like that? Just a yes or no will suffice.

Why do you hate Paul?

>>84510612
You mean, besides how Israel got his name? The entire point of prayer as beseechment, which happens plenty in scriptures. Not that they're always answered positively, such as with Lot, but the point is there.
If God's will was utterly immutable, He would either do the thing or not, regardless of prayer, and so such prayer would be pointless. But, such prayers are frequently noted as not only welcome, but as a healthy part of the relationship. Even if we claim that beseechment prayer enacting change is only as an illusion, God is absolutely willing to encourage such thinking.

>>84510612
Not him, but I'm going to be honest, "Free will and other shit like that exists because God felt like making humans to be his QA people" is about the best explanation for the problem of evil I've heard even if that means God made mistakes with his creation willingly or otherwise

>>84510612
>Your story doesn't even strictly backs what you envision, I can easily imagine an all-knowing God with a sense of humor who plans his own "defeat" and even say "you have defeated me ha ha", without any of that being strictly true in the literal sense.
The general interpetation of the story is exactly that. God allowed himself to be defeated and accepted the ruling of the majority. You're saying that like it doesn't match exactly what I described in my earlier post, God listens to the Rabbi's argument, laughs, and says "I'll allow it."

>This single anecdote cannot be mistaken for a widespread rule that your God can be wrong and always enjoys being proven wrong.
You're conflating conceding defeat in an argument with being fallible, that is incorrect. God allowing himself to lose doesn't mean he's made a mistake. Nor does it mean his opinion is incorrect.

>What does your single anecdote can possibly teach me about his overall behavior? Why not answer my simple question about multiple unambiguous evidence?
I answered with the Oven of Akhnai because the story explains the theological justification for why the interpetation of the law is determined by human reason and argument and not divine revelation. I assumed that citing the story that directly demonstrates why and how God allows humans to beat him in an argument would be sufficient to prove why Jews believe that God allows us to beat him in an argument.

>If I had to choose between interpreting my God as weakminded, easily defeatable by mortals,
Where the fuck are you getting this interpetation from? What part of that story shows God as weak minded or made his defeat look easy?

>with a sense of humor and in full control but pretending to be defeated once, just for kicks
Calling it "pretending" implies that he doesn't actually accept his defeat. He allowed himself to be defeated. Letting yourself lose is not the same thing as pretending to surrender.

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>>84512990
>I'd still like to hear you claim there is a majority of evidence showing your god is unambiguously imperfect and enjoys being defeated by mortals and laughing about it.
At no point did I claim that God was imperfect. Again, defeat does not imply fallibility. But if all you want is a verbal summary then fine. I'll walk you through it.

There are many stories that show humans winning an argument with God, as well as stories that include God deliberately driving people to argue with him, and directly or indirectly stating that he craves confrontation. Since God could choose to simply ignore the human arguments or say that what he did or said before does not apply in this situation, which is well within his power and authority as the Allmighty, he is clearly allowing himself be defeated by humans. Since he is perfect and all-knowing this is also clearly a deliberate choice on his part. So we have multiple instances of God deliberately setting up situations that he knows will drive people to argue with him and then allowing himself to concede the argument. He drives humans to struggle with his commandments and then allows them to apply their own interpretations even if they disagree with his. What else would you call that but "encouragement"?

I will not claim that the majority of evidence supports this view, as I have not cataloged and tallied up the thousands of years of religious discourse on this subject. But I will say that there are a great many pieces of evidence for this and I have not met or heard of a Jewish scholar that does not agree with this view.

>>84463018
This thread isn't going to be a disaster at all.

>>84466157
I actually really like the original unedited version of this painting

>>84513018
>I will not claim that the majority of evidence supports this view
Thank you. That is all I asked. You could just have written "no" in your answer and that would have satisfied my simple and direct question to you with less waste of verbiage. All I did was ask about your impressive confidence about a thing you said, all I did was ask if you were willing to claim it was backed by the majority of evidence. You will not claim it. Thank you for your honest answer. That will be all. I will not engage with you any further. I apologize if the simple act of asking you if an opinion is backed by a majority evidence is offending to your Faith.

>>84514507
It's pure kitsch anon

Hello, jew anons. Can someone help me with Hebrew? I want to use the word בּוּעָה which I think means bubble as the name of my world but I have no idea how to pronounce it and Google isn't helping.

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>>84482315
god i want to FUCK abby shapiro and make her pregnant again and again just imagining her swollen milkers is making me hard as granite

>>84468920
You’re kind of very honest for a Jew the only part I don’t buy is that most of you are fine with jesus, when I know for a fact you all secretly hate him with a burning passion, that’s where the word kike comes from. And what are your thought on the talmud?

>>84506480
I think it’s crazy how even in people who are only half Jewish or a quarter they have a full Jewish psychology, the Germans also picked up on that.

Like this is truly one of the most Jewish posts I’ve ever read in my life, it encapsulates everything, playing Jewish word games to obfuscate things and muddy the waters, trying to trick god, going against the “spirit of the law/rules” then going in so far to claim that there is no spirit of the law and if there was that would make god not perfect somehow, which is a retarded argument.

>god says don’t kill people
>smash babies head in with a rock
>”well I didn’t kill Him the rock did, and if you claim I killed hum you’re claiming to be better then god and know more then him and know what he REALLY meant and you wouldn’t wanna do that right?
Like that is just so Jewish to me, it made me realize why they were so scared of people who were even only a quarter Jewish, I don’t want to live near millions of people with that mindset kek you’d be able to justify doing anything evil to me in your own head with that type reasoning

>>84519109
If it is believed that most Jews today hate Jesus, how can one blame them? Jesus, after all, was the one to found a religion that discriminated and brutally persecuted Jews for at least fifteen hundred years?

>>84519109

Not dude you're responding to but I don't think a vast majority of Jews actually care about Jesus one way or the other.

The Talmud meme I see on the internet about hating Jesus is so dumb too. I've only done comparative religion, not actually in-depth reading of or study of the Talmud or anything (especially since it's not actual scripture) but it was a ton of disparate dudes giving their interpretation of poetic and metaphoric scripture that are also laws. Unsurprising, from an outsiders perspective, there also features the occasional shit talking the people who were literally every so often attacking them, killing them, and oppressing them. It's the equivalent of shit talking a boss to your coworkers behind their back.

>>84519848
worse, a bunch of Romans 100 years after his death/ascension did it. And proceeded to write a book about his teachings based on hearsay and second-hand accounts, but then consider it's words rigid and unmistakably true.
The same guys who killed him and persecuted his original people...and continued to do so for an unreasonable amount of time

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>>84499215

The old testament and Bible are Gods law but full of rules as poetry, metaphor, and parable. Christians do the same thing until the Catholic church set up and said "Don't deviate too far from our interpretation or else." And then the various sects come, all with their own interpretations.

It's all part of why comparative religions is interesting, altho probably a hard field when you come in with a default /pol/ mentality and can't actually reason things out.

>>84469807
can you recommend some good sources for reading more into this?

>>84517582
"Boo" like a ghost trying to scare you going boo and than a short "ah" like a guy opening his mouth for a checkup at the Doctor but instead of a long "ahhhh" it's just the beginning ah. Boo-ah. Booa.

>>84467784

No, but they did yuse to be polytheistic. There's even evidence that YWH had a wife and helped him rule over Israel. They got divorced because he knocked up a 14 year-old, I guess. Not sure any marriage could reasonably survive that.

>>84469353

What do LHO and RHP mean?

>>84487717

I thought this was an anti-semitic joke, but no, literally it was a debate on whether or not this new oven was Kosher or not. So, sorry for jumping to conclusions, Anon.

>>84466157
But muslims would know who jesus is, he's one of their most important saints.

>>84488594
>Yes, I'm Ashkenazi, although mixed with western European.
I don't get it, you just said you were western european twice?

>>84523947
If he's Israeli, he's saying that his family isn't completely made up of former Poles/Russians. Think of it as claiming your percentiles.

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>>84463018
Leviathan, Behemoth, and Simurgh.