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Latest underground map.

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>>84990161
>>84990211
Also being able to call upon leviathans does not mean they are able to control them so it's a pretty fucking dangerous thing to do in the first place. Smaller sea creatures however can be soothed , driven away or even domesticated to a certain degree. The most powerful conch magician is said to be the female prate captain Jolly Roger.

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>>84982815
Book wine is said to come from roots that grow in the catacombs of Biblion and is made by bookimists. It is sold in special stove parlors around the Xandrilex library and is often served with beebread and buchlings.The wine has a dark brownish-red color. The taste is described as savory, heavy, earthy and woody and has a leathery aroma. It evokes a vivid hallucination in the drinker, giving him the feeling of being a tree, then a poet's idea, then the paper, the concerns of the publisher and author, and finally the drinker believes he is being made into a book and finally read. You can experience this hallucination again and again as soon as you drink a cup of this wine.

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Physical map updated.

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Biome map updated.

Just got here and I like what I'm seeing. What's the lore for the sea of bile so far?

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Let's start this thread with doing some trade routes. It was stated that the corrupted pale swamp ogers are sold to the witchelven empire as brothel guards aswell as the drug black milk made by the bog witch. What are this settings equivalents of the Amber Road, the Silk Road and mediterranean sea trade?

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Kingdom of Lorient, some city I guess.

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What city would look like pic rel?

>>84990697
Maybe a large city within the Republic of Kalydon? I just got here tho, so I'm not sure if I'm fucking up the lore at all.

So, with the physical and biome map pretty much done and the political map finally filled, we need to see what else we need to do:

-Political map with cities, nation's capitals, main roads and trade routes. Most nations and regions have little to no cities located on the map, even some of the big ones. We'd need number of cities, their location, capital if there's one, trade routes between the different powers... A city map would need to be made first before the trade one.
-An approximate general timeline of the world. Maybe a common mythology and cosmogony.
-How the flat world works: The night/day cycle, seasons, its relation with magic, how the Emptiness affects the world...
-Adding more lore to the more lacking spots. We could check the wiki for those places with very little lore.
-Filling the lore of the underground map.
Anything else we might need?

>>84990739
Kalydon is suppsoed to be some kind of dystopian city ruled by a mad wizard that has a god complex, although the climate could be like that.

Maybe something in the southwest? Like the Triarchy Islands for example.

>>84990685
I'm not sure where the major routes would go, but I would probably say that there's a trade route that goes either around or through the Cardammon Plateau.

>>84990759
I can't find them on the map, but that sounds good to me.

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>>84990681
A Leviathan tried to become a god and was killed by them for its arrogance, Its rotting corpse corrupted the Ocean and created the Sea of Bile

I've been working on a detail map for the Kingdom of Tarot using the lore that the creator had. >>84858306 But it's a lot of detail with the surroundings as well so here's a WIP.

The Kingdom of Coins are supposed to be like Mountain Dwellers and Traders. Some maybe some Underground Stuff is needed?

Also what's going on with the Blackstone Prison Islands?

>>84990779
We would need to combine the political map (including capital cities, trade cities and maybe production areas) with the physical map (to find easy routes to travel). So right now I would focus on writing lore for each country to make pinpointing cities easier.

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>>84990681
An acidic ocean that was created as a result of the fluids out of the Grand Leviathans gallbladder, spleen and kidneys leaking out of their containment. They are still flowing out of the dead monsters carcass and flow to the sea surface. This part of the sea is populated by half-insect-bird hybrids and unsightly hostile fish that feed on the remains of the deceased sea giant. The sinking of the leviathan is known as The Great Fall and has permanently changed marine flora and fauna for thousands of kilometers around the body. The biomass of the remains will continue to serve as a source of food for countless marine organisms for about one thousand years from now, until finally only the huge fish bones are left. basically just imagine a whale fall but the creature is the size of a continent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1t4R9BzTrU&t=82s

>>84990835
Looks nice so far. Are you the same one that's doing Furlaniya?

The Blackstone Islands are these

https://crumbling-giantstep.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Prison_Island

Alright I think I'll write some lore for Hithlone tomorrow.

>>84990835
Just wanted to say that I really appreciate what you are doing with this anon! Good Job

>>84990779
Just checked, the trade route would definitely go around it and the Sodomia breach, probably from Lamprey loch to the Widow's lakes.

eternal reminder the staple crop in this setting is the humble banana. Literally something like the 7th post iirc.

>>84990835
It's called a Hierophant not a Heriphant. Besides that beautiful work!

>>84990835
Please add the names of the rivers so I can include them in the physical map. Thanks.

>>84990843
Ok, sounds good.
In that case, I would probably say that the capital (or at least the major settlements) of the Witchelven Empire would be around the Widow's lakes and The Great Bonefort. Prime banana-growing area. Other small settlements would probably on the trade route between there and Schmatzsicker.

>>84990892
agreed

how much lore is needed for each country approximately?

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>>84990835
Good going anon! There are some interesting tarot related svgs on wikimedia if you want to decorate the map.

>>84990960
The more the better honestly. As long as it's written decently of course

>>84990835
Thanks, dude. I was thinking that maybe some necromancer is trying to resurrect the corpse of the Leviathan to use as a weapon to take over the world or something. Maybe the leaders of the Okhost Islands are trying to make it into a weapon so they can take over the world or something?

>>84990550
You good fren. Thanks for starting this btw!

>>84990870
>Are you the same one that's doing Furlaniya?
Nope not me. I intend to properly finish Furlaniya first with a proper political map.

https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWDkAYWgA

Poll about the shape of the world. We need to decide once and for all if the world is round or flat.

>>84991062
That sounds great, although I'm terrible at designing I'll try to write some lore. How similar would you say are the Furlaniyan cities and Azhar Nar?

>>84991075
Apparently so far we're going cubic.

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>>84991042
Sounds interesting they could could try to reach the old gods of the Mare Tenebrosum and cooperate with them to achieve this goal. Unaware that they use them as mere puppets just as the necromancers plan to puppeteer the corpse

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Let's make an official villain list of all the bad guys and gals in this setting. Reply to this post with the villains you've written or know about.

>>84991062

>Nope not me.

Yeah we are different, I was inspired by him though. I'm just trying to finish one Kingdom at a time

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>>84990951
Potential CPSO (corrupted pale swamp ogre) trade routes (Eastern one seems unlikely to work out. Either way, Baba Lustra is making a killing.

I'm fine handling the trade routes, OP. Just give me some trades to figure out.

>>84991189
I think most length wiki entries of nations mention trade. There's also Seagard and Leng who mention trade iirc.

The Zemyland nations probably trade amongst themselves.

>>84991189
Given that eating black lotus is said to be ten times as powerful as injecting heroin I'd guess that it somehow found it's way off the island. Then again the lore stated that nobody who set foot on the island ever left

>>84991189
Avangar opioid trade route.

>>84991189
I think there is some trade from the Kingdom of Coins between Ouroboria and the Golden sea of wheat, aswell as the Kingdom of Cups and around the Platinum Straight to the Orange Marquisates

>>84991206
Which Island would that be exactly?

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>>84991195
Baalp hermits => [Oviscentaur Cheese] => Hereby (Hobbits)

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>>84991264
this one

>>84991283
what happens in otamlar lads

>>84991195
Giant sun flower seeds are basically Lembas on steroids so I'm sure there's some trade going on with them

So the pirate nations are

>Maneater Islands (islands dominated by anarchy, not a single state)
>Kunt (Pirate Temple)
>Ortuga (Under the Badgassi)

>>84991283
Looking at it, it probably just went straight to either the Drunigzar kingdom or Nogar. There could probably be a good trade triangle made here depending on how well they get along with each other.

>>84991195
Kingdom of Wheat is exporting bread and other baked goods everywhere

>>84991315
Don't forget seafood castle.

Thirteen Wonders of the World:

>Xandrilax Library (Biblion)
>Tower of the Eternal Fire (Avangar)
>Hithlone Citadel (Hithlone)

Anything else?

>>84991345
>The Grand Ziggurat of Urkus (Galgamash)
Also the Floating Castle Lugubrum could be on of the world terrors

I'm going to write a bit about the Drunigzar Kingdom, I'll post it later.

>>84991079
Oh yeah go ahead. I have some ideas, but the vast majority of the map rn is just names. Here are the various IRL sources I shamelessly copied for my worldbuilding. I suggest checking them out to get a general sense of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karst_Plateau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Cerknica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turjak_Castle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predjama_Castle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slivnica_(mountain)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinetum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friuli
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Sicily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Commanderies_of_Han

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrano_(grape)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Gorizia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malborghetto_Valbruna
https://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bela_ka%C4%8Da_s_kronico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olm

>>84991321
I mocked something up in MS paint, but I don't know how they feel about each other yet. I'll have to read the lore.

>>84991321
We'd have to somehow work around the thing that no one who has ever set foot on the island has left though. Possibly a species that can't smell (or alternatively people with nose clips) harvested the lotus from a boat. It has to be done without the Lotuseaters noticing though since they wouldn't like that

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>>84991390
Forgot to paste the file, sorry.

>>84991315
The Nasr satrapies engage in a lot of piracy as well. I represented it by adding pirate forts along the Golden Hills coast.

>>84991394
If that's the case, then it's either Nogar or Drunigzar that's doing the harvesting. Probably Drunigzar.

Any other drugs in this setting besides the following?
>Black Lotus (Lotus Isle)
>Black Milk (Bog Witch)
>Opioids (Avangar)
>Sleep Poppy (Not really a drug but an ultra potent soporific)

>>84991445
The "White Death" is basically the cocaine/methodrone of the world, it's harvested from a plant in the Kinoog jungles from a crime syndicate that basically controls the city of Moreelse. They've spread it to the west and beyond. Some people have mentioned it in their lore but I forget the specifics.

>>84991437
>The Drunig economy depends on trade, all kinds of trade, from food and medicine to slavery and drugs, (from the wiki)
checks out!

>>84991458
thanks!

>>84991445
>>84990515
book wine

>>84991445
>The Oroma islands directly north of the lost isle are a nearly uninhabited chain of volcanic islands. They are the home of a fierce race of magmatic dragons that guard the island's most precious booty - a species of large blue banana that thrives on the island's rich volcanic soil. The banana is extremely poisonous and thus of great interest to the Drow which often organise expeditions to the islands to bring back the fruit, though most are unsuccessful. All attempts so far to grow the banana on foreign shores have miserably failed.
Not sure if it counts as a drug exactly.

>>84991505
Sounds more like a poison to me. Maybe the person that came up with it can clarify if still around

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>>84991228
Not quite sure where Ouroboria is, but here's something I mocked up. I can't really see a way to go around the Platinum strait princedom other than across Faarowt or completely around the whole northern island.

>>84990779
Saving monstrous sea creatures, sea travel through the coast is always cheaper than land travel, and sea travel through the ocean is also cheaper than land travel provided you can actually cross the distance (which requires XVI century technology).

A silk route would happen in these places where sea routes take longer and the terrain allows it, but in this case crossing the continent east to west on land sounds pretty impossible, thanks to the bog, the forest and the gnolls cutting it in half.

>>84991505
I'll see what I can do.

>>84991565
Good to know, thanks!

So, so far we have

>Inspired by Italy/Italian city states
Hithlone, Florinth, Triarchy, Last Remnants
>France
Lorient, Lemon Kingdom
>Arabs
Azhar Nar
>Persians/North Africans
Nasr Satrapies
>Adriatic Coast
Furlaniya
>Ingurland
Ingurland, Luden
>Irish
Orc'Eire
>Netherlands/East Indies Company
Gvilderstaaten
>Russia/Ukraine/Belarus
Zapalovah/Northern Kingdoms
>Nordics
Hyperborea, Alltaf Tribes
>Desert Tribes (Bedouins, Tuareg)
Ogabo Desert, Nerim, Bhakkari Tribelands (??)
>Native Americans (?)
Kinga Badlands
>Aztecs
Chakobsa
>Mayans
Jeraxih Tribes
>Sumerians
Gilgemash
>Subsaharan Africa
Mona Ki Ngi Xica
>Carribean
Nosso Lar (africans), Ortuga (Pirates)
>Byzantium/Greeks
Azan
>China/East Asia
ChangriLa
>Japan
Sea Elves
>Turkic Tribes
Ogchuk Fiefdoms
>Tibetans
Tenzin People
>Armenia/Caucasus
Otamlar
>Hordes, Urgun Plateau
Central Asian

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>>84991189
>trade routes
Given that the barons of the seven castles are constantly wasting mercenaries for their pointless petty wars there would be a really high demand for fresh Landsknechte up there

>>84990447
For the underground map, not sure if the underground map anon noticed or not, but when I came up with some place names and short bids of lore yesterday, I also picked locations on the map for them, though the writing was small so you might have missed it >>84982647

>>84989876
Pirates:
Island of the Volcano God – looking for sacrifices
Blind Bastard’s Domain, Dsrvyth, Maneater Islands, Kinnog – seem like pretty typical pirates, probably Caribbean themed for Kinnog and Maneater Islands, maybe the other two as well, with some fantasy elements
Kunt and probably Nerega – like unarmed combat, eastern themed
Ortuga – see recent discussion
Golden Hills and Nasr Satrapies – some arabic style corsairs
Quamona Tong Corsairs of Vilga
Also the gnolls sometimes do piracy, and the drow and Orc’eire sometimes do coastal raids for slaves, probably the Drunnigzar and the Three Sisters as well

>>84990685
>>84991189

one or more anons did a western and eastern sea route a while back

>>84990697
Could work for Azan, or a number of states that were once a part of the Azan/Dragon Empire, which is a lot of the south and west

>>84991345
>>84991367
probably some remnant of a pyramid in Gnoll Empire/Qarash
ice palace in the Ogabo Desert
Imperial Palace in Nananikor (Azan)

another world terror - the maw

>>84991445
Kokaine is the source of Kokaine

>>84991618
>'Merican
The Star People

>>84991189
There's a vague description of traded goods from gokmavi and zulutaur to dsrvyth, but it's all mundane stuff like spices, salt and cereal.

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gonna work on Ketlovia and the Werewolf King, here are there old borders before Gnoll Invasion

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>>84991505
It's pretty simple, but I think I got it. The Drow could be in collusion with the Azan Empire since the Azanians(?) have a way to get there that doesn't involve open ocean.

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>>84991618
>Florinth
Florinth is just as much inspired by early Paris, Mont Saint Michel and Straßbourg as it is inspired by Venice and Florence. The language they speak sounds like a mixture of french and german. t guy that wrote it

>>84991618
And then we have the fantasy realms

>Hobbits
>Gibberlings
>Brownies
>Gnomes
>Drow
>Witch Elves
>Snoloth
>Vodyanik
>Werewolves
>Aine Saevherne
>Biblion
>Kresteneg
>Badgassi
>Zulutaur
>Terrania
>Star People
>Neeugs
>Misty People
>Gautlan and Kinoog
>Elfwood
>Ogre states
>Ra'Ga
>Squid Peninsula

>>84991618
Also the Hogmen remind me of the Andamandese and the Joois are Jews.

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>>84991655
Potential Drow-Azanian trade route?

>>84991618
Baalp Hermits are Welsh

>>84991667
Also

>Asvaran
>Moreelse
>Chrysovica
>Oront
>Waldemaria
>Mossovoy
>Blesire States
>Aurous Highland
>Calcabria
>Athassel
>Scarred Phantoms
>Bayukmen
>Dsrvyth
>Golden Skulls Knightlands
>Druids
>Fyrd
>Avangar
>Elanxa
>Orange Marquisates
>Anchovia
>Seagard
>Volta-Magash
>Leng
>Drunigzar
>Nogar

Are kind of ambiguous for me. Maybe inspired by many real life/fantasy cultures. Bakir Sahabaharadad Sultanate and Mamum Mahudom sounds like ambiguous middle eastern.

>>84990296
Can we agree that there's some sort of magical barrier that makes it near impossible to find and leave glutton island by ship so the food trade won't get flooded by them?

A crippling named Jeremiah is known to be best vintner in the world. He said to be good to his friends and speaks in a way that is hard to understand.

Is Badgassi a hiddin fart joke? I need to know

>>84991620
I'm not seeing the barons of the seven castles on the map. Where they at?

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>>84991147
Vandervax the Vile, lich ruler of Okhost

>>84991647
A trade route is a trade route, my friend.

>>84991734
A grippli*

>>84991618
Azan has some other elements thrown in as well like Italy and Japan

Kinnog and Maneater Islands are also somewhat Carribean pirate themed

Isle of Wizards and hobbits are kind of an idealized rural England like the Shire

>>84991667
several types of rat people, frost elves, goblins, succubi, harpies, etc.

also joois seem more like gypsies/khajiit

Which countries have the most beautiful women and how do they prevent them from getting abducted and sold into witchelven prostitution shenanigans?

>>84991750
I'd say that they would probably get their new mercenaries from either the Kingdom of Grobianismus or Dia'Ul.

>>84991828
>Grobianismus
agreed that would be some pretty shitty mercenaries though. like literally

>>84991727
The food god probably only lets the most gluttonous inside his realm. Or maybe, it's just a normal island for the non blessed

>>84991445
>Florinthian Aphrodisiac Scent
>The blossoms of the poppy are processed into a fragrant and highly coveted perfume, which makes the wearer appear irresistible to the opposite sex

>>84991841
Mercs are mercs, dude.
How likely would it be that they get mercs from Dia'Ul tho?

>>84991750
This looks line a really shitty place to live, considering you're surrounded by retarded peasants on one side and a demon forest on the other

>>84991865
That sounds good to me. Maybe also the starving though. The only other option is the Hydra Gate and it's guarded by his lapdog

>>84991779
I'm assuming the Maneater Islands are a conglomeration of people and cultures from Asvaran, Dsvryth, and the Southern Lands

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>>84991874
I agree that Grobianismus would be more likely Dia'Ul doesn't sound very Landsknechty to me

>>84991905
Most Gods are assholes so I'm thinking that gluttons are let into the food island, only for them not being able to eat anything. Kinda similar to that.

>>84991793
>The women of Florinth all have red hair and are often described as the most beautiful on the continent.

>>84991793
Depends on the tastes of who's buying. Historically, fatter women were seen as a sign of wealth and fertility, so smallish nobles and maybe some less advanced realms would be into that.
On the other hand, there is a story of early western explorers trading iron with Polynesians for sex. It apparently got so bad (or good) that there was a risk of the ship falling apart, so they left.

>>84991696
they are technically enemies, but it could be a secret trade route

>>84991715
Waldemaria and Mossovoy seem vaguely Russian, which makes sense given what they are south of

Dsrvyth is probably Asian or black based on location, maybe some Greek/Arab depending on how ancient colonization worked

Asvaran is probably Greek and/or Asian based on who made up most of the colonists, plus maybe some indigenous races

Oront - looks like Carcassonne or somewhere similar from the image

Druids and Scarred Phantoms - fantasy druids and assassins

The eastern nations are a bit of a mystery

>>84991926
What if he sees the people as his cattle similiar to Helios' Cattle in the Odyssey. Maybe he even feeds the really fat ones to his Hydra and it grows a new head for each of them

>>84991954
>fatter women were seen as a sign of wealth and fertility
Soo who's exporting fat chicks into Grobianismus?

>>84991647
Ok, I can't find them on the map. My bad eye must be acting up again.

>>84991883
and arctic tundra from a magically frozen zone on the third side

>>84991909
they could still end up Caribbean pirate-y

Where's the thieves guild of this setting located?

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>>84992000
I don't know much about Grobisimus, but maybe that food island people keep talking about? There might be a trade route between the three.

>>84992006
two are in the south, gokmavi is the big pink cluster of hordes

>>84992014
why would there just be one thieves guild? it is a massive supercontinent, unless there are portals or something, they would have no way to coordinate quickly between regions

>>84991909
It's also ideally placed to be the caribbean equivalent, as it has tropical waters, it's near trading nations, has people of all stripes and it is full of islands as well.

>>84991715
I wrote some of those so I can provide some insight.

>Moreelse
No specific cultute in mind, although I had a polish/czech medieval city as an aesthetic
>Chrysovica
Honestly no idea
>Aurous Highlands
Maybe Yorkshire?
>Scarred Phantoms
Think of a reinassance monastery, but with pious assassins instead.

>>84991727
>>84991865
>>84991905
>>84991926
>>84992058
the food land and the fitness land seem to only partially exist in this world, it is probably better to think of them as alternate dimensions and exclude them from trade routes

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>>84992006

>>84992113
Imma do the trade route anyway, purely because we need something resembling the silk road.

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But who's exporting dubious feminism?

>>84992120
Thank you for helping someone that's apparently completely blind.

>>84992145
The first post discussing this was the Witchelvens, so I'm including them.

>>84992113
>the food land and the fitness land seem to only partially exist in this world
Based on which source? They always sounded like real places to me. I have no problem excluding them from trade routes because of dangerous shores or a magical barrier but other dimension is taking it too far

Which nation has the space to be ruled by a human infused with a giant worm, acting as a god?

>>84992185
If you can do without the human part then most definitely Gnolls

>>84992185
If you're going for a full Dune reference, try someplace with desert, or someplace with a very rare yet valuable resource. Maybe those lotus islands I did the trade route for?

>>84991727
Yes, but it's less a barrier and more angry angry sea wyrms.

The northern sea is not a kind place, and a land of food allows them to get pretty big.

>>84992241
I like that. Also there's the knifefish which already make sailing there a game of russian roullette

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>>84991647
Here ya go, finally did it. I'm going to design that Witchelven-Food Land trade route now.

>>84992162
based

>>84992270
Didn't we agree on no trade routes to foodland?

What would a CK2 mod of this look like

>>84992289
Nope. I'm gonna do Witchelven to Grobisimus first tho.

So where did the giant sandworms of the handprint desert come from? Also why is most of the world medieval/reinassance fantasy while some nations are in the industrial era

>>84991189
anyone contributing to trade routes might want to look into bridges over rivers and other terrain obstructions

Anyone willing to write the lore for the Lemon Kingdom?

>>84992416
the whole world doesnt all change at the same rate
you could argue gnoll empire is earlier than medieval

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>>84992459
Lindworm Bridge
A massive bridge built at a mighty height, connecting the mainland and the northern continent. A full day's hike must be planned to cross it. Better bring some battle-hardened guards with you when traversing though, as the bonegnaw-harpies that reside on the neighboring razor-sharp cliffs are apt to attack merchants, travelers and soldiers alike

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Holy crap that took forever. Here's the land and sea routes from Witchelven to Grobisimus. (Since Grobisimus is landlocked, they can't just go exclusively over the sea routes and have to pass through a ton of other biomes and states)

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New to the setting, could this image fit anywhere in the setting? Might post some contemporary pics to this if I have the time

>>84992593
Not really, sorry

>>84992598
Alright, what's the tech level in that case? I could post some pics to help with inspiration

>>84992583
>Sea routes from Witchelven to Grobianismus.
What's being traded there?

>>84992627
mostly medieval

>>84992632
It's in relation to this post, you can follow it.
>>84991793

>>84992627
Medieval/reinassance in some cases, like 16th century max

>>84992638
I'll be honest, I have no clue what the lore is, I'm just doing trade routes. It's also why I speculated on multiple routes.

>>84992659
So you are new to these threads and want to engage in some erp now huh?

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>>84992665
>16th century max
Say no more

>>84992680
No, I'm just doing trade routes. I'm also a pretty big history buff. And also, we need a grand trade route reminiscent of the silk road, so that's what I'm trying to do.

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>>84992686

I really hate the witch elven empire

>>84992713
>No, I'm just doing trade routes. I'm also a pretty big history buff.
Alright Id advise you do read up on the lore before you do that though. There's a wiki

>>84992750
why?

>>84992764
Too OP

>>84992551
Add that one to the list of world wonders

>>84992752
Can you send me a link? It would help me out greatly.

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>>84992794
ChangriLa warriors against Nasr pirates

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>>84990296
>>don't add new landmasses
Also, why this rule? Everything else makes sense

>>84992775
Not really they might be quite big but they are not imperialist and just do their own human trafficking, prostitution and smuggling shit without really bothering anyone else. They have strong elite units but mostly just for defensive purposes similiar to a cartell

>>84992791
>https://crumbling-giantstep.fandom.com/wiki/Crumbling_Giantstep_Wiki
It's literally in the OP but here you go

>>84992822
you'd know if you had been around earlier

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>>84992841
Thanks. I might be gone for a while going through this.

>>84990835
Love it

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>>84992851
Don't visit /tg/ often, what was the reason?

>>84992879
Go ahead and immerse yourself pal! There's some good stuff on there. If you feel overwhelmed at first just check the nations that would affect the trade routes you are doing at the moment in any way

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>>84992893
drama but we don't talk about that anymore

How do mercenaries work in this setting? I might write something on them

>>84992912
Well, the trade route that's going along the borders of the Fairy woods and the Bayukmen marsh kingdom probably isn't going to work, huh?

Ok, I got the northern part of the trade route between Witchelven and Grobianismus done. And yes, I made sure to consult the Wiki this time.

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>>84993112
And yes, I had to draw over the trade routes that I already did.

>>84992171
fitness land from its lore post, and food land from the discussion earlier on the thread

>>84992397
>>84992659
can't tell if troll or just trying to make a meme

>>84992970
there was a lot of discussion on that a while back

>>84993239
Neither. So food land can't have trade routes attached to it?

>>84993239
>food land from the discussion earlier on the thread
well it's on the terrain map so it's a real country

Ok, you know what? I'mma just design a silk road on the other side of the world that basically everyone uses. Let me know why that's wrong.

>>84992665
Do flintlocks exist?

>>84993587
The Landsknechts seem to have them

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>>84993604
So it makes sense to have 16th century highwaymen exist? Like the kind who'd use the tagline "Stand and deliver!"

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>>84993559
Alright, here it is.

>>84993643
depends on the country

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I'm going to add more about the Kingdom of Drunigzar.

The land of Drunigzar is flat, near barren land. The lack of big mountains and rivers combine with the low quality of the soil to make a place where agriculture is extremely difficult and laborious. The population of the land used to live off of herding sheeps and goats. However, this was not a lifestyle that allowed for big population numbers, and thus the region became infamous for being the refuge of thieves and pirates in the area. This is in fact the origin of the Kingdom of Drunigzar, since Nogar sent troops to quash this criminals, creating the Kingdom of Drunigzar as a part of their kingdom, to keep the land in check. However, the land was so barren and poor the nogarese quickly abandoned it, the costs of controlling the land being way bigger than any profit from there, so the Kingdom of Drunigzar gained its independence as a vassal estate of Nogar.

>>84990685
The Azan Empire and Drow occupy what would most likely be an extremely profitable position with their command over the connecting mountain range being the closest point between north and south seas. From there, the Isle of Wizards would also vie with them over control of the sea of merchants and beyond. It isn't infeasible that either the Azan or Drow have also contemplated, or at one point did build a canal for bypassing the mountains, and Everdark Sea.

>>84993646
Looks pretty good. We need a more detailed map with some cities to accurately map land routes. From this, Changrila is fabulously wealthy. Azan and Drow probably both field massive navies to protect trade ships along the southern seas. The numerous states berween Azan and Changrila would also benefit greatly from any products made up-road. I don't know what unique products they all make or own, but I'd wager Changrila to be the heart of a spice or metals trade. Alternatively, their river could allow for large food surplus to be exported to the smaller and or poorer states surrounding it. The Drow almost certainly would trade metals and minerals for what up-road states would offer.

>>84993703
The first king of Drunigzar, Menelao the Old, had to deal with the constant infighting between his knights and noble vassals, pursuing lands and riches at the expense of their equals. The wise king managed to keep the damages to a minimum using his charisma and his ties to Nogar, but this state of affairs lasted for many centuries. The drunig kings slowly but surely strengthen their ties with the artisan and fisher cities, obtaining a relatively rich ally to keep their knights in line.

This situation all changed with the arrival of King Paoulos II the Shipbuilder. During his reign, piracy had grown at an intollerable rate, with many raids to coastal cities and towns. With nogarese help decreasing year over year, Paoulos decided to create his own fleet, buying old military ships of the neighbouring kingdoms and beyond. After driving the pirates away, the kingdom had becomed quite indebted, facing a catastrophic bankrupcy that would have sunken the kingdom, if not for Paoulos' plan. He took his new fleet, plus any pirate ships captured by the drunig army, and in collaboration with the artisan cities, organised massive campaigns of exploration and trade. In the hopes of finding resources, any kind of resources that could save the kindom, and ordered his men to obtain as much profit as possible, no matter the product, no matter the client. After a decade, this campaign not only had managed to pay the dept, but also obtain quite a decent profit. Seeing this, Paolo ordered the construction of a massive merchant fleet, and also the creation of a trade company owned by the crown. This trade company hired as many merchants, explorers and other experts to prepare the commercial expansion of the kingdom. However, many historians agree that this project would have been a lost cause if the Kingdom of Nogar, the biggest commercial power of the region, hadn't suddenly collapsed due to the gnoll invasion.

>>84993928
This not only brought many experts to to Drunigzar, selling their talents for protection against the gnoll, but the momentary collapse of Nogar allowed drunig traders and merchants to take the place of the old nogarese merchant houses. Many of those houses, seeing where the winds were blowing, moved to the safety of Drunigzar, whose arid lands was so unvaluable not even the gnolls seemed to be interested in taking it. This all resulted in an explosive economic growth, with the old herder population becoming clever and cunning merchants and traders, leaving no market untapped.

This wave of prosperity also caused an important problem. In a couple of years, the population growth became unsustainable, since teven with the increasing size of the merchant navy, there simply was no way to absorb all the new population. This was partially solved by expanding southwards, occupying the lands of Old Nogar where the old fortresses against pirates and raiders were located. Not being enough, however, the king Paoulos III the Explorer ordered the creation of colonies along the coast, enough to absorb the population, but not big enough to cause diplonatic tension with the neighbour kingdoms, since a territorial expansion may have ended in a war against Drunigzar. The colonies continued the economic expansion of Drunigzar, their small size compensated by the protection of the Drunigzar navy and money loaners.

>>84993923
I'd say that the northern seas would have the same general idea. The Tesia Isthmus would probably get super wealthy from all the trade from the treasure seas going to the south. In the north, all the states that would be between the Isle of Wizards and the Platinum Princedom would probably get the same treatment as the ones between Azan and Changrila.

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>>84994062
Kinda like this:

>>84994061
Nowadays, the Kingdom of Drunigzar has established trade routes and pacts with every major power in the world, though many of them distrust the drunig merchants' lack of scruples in regards to business. In particular, they have very strong relations with New Nogar, the Gnoll Empire and the Woodcutter Cities of Littlestep.

Drunigzar's relations with Nogar are difficult, since it's clear for everyone involved that Drunigzar, and old vassal of Nogar, has benefited immensly by Nogar's misfortune, and that has caused a lot of resentment in many nogarese (especially towards many of old nogarese that fled to Drunigzar, seen as traitors and oportunists for not defending their homes). However, many in New Nogar also see Drunigzar as an invaluable ally in case of a gnoll invasion, or even a good patron in case of wanting to recapture the Old Nogar lands. The drunigs' ambassadors and trader houses, in turn, see in Nogar a valuable trading partner, and also a big ally in case of a gnoll attack. That doesn't stop many to prepare to help both sides in case of a war between Nogar and the Gnoll Empire, since war is an incredibly profitable market.

Drunigzar's relation with the Gnoll Empire are even simpler. The Gnoll Empire could easily conquer Drunigzar, dwarfing the merchant state's population, but drunigs' ambassadors and traders have convinced the higher echelons of the Empire that it's better for both sides to stay independent, basically paying for protection through great deals on materials scarce in the Empire. Drunig also hires a lot of gnoll mercenaries as footsoldiers and mercenaries to fight bandits and pirates, but never in enough numbers to be unmanageable.

Drunigzar's relations with the Woodcutter Cities of Littlestep depend on their main product: Oak wood. Drunigzar's land has little to no trees, definitvely not enough to mantain the massive fleets of the kingdom, so they will go to great lengths to stay in good standings with the woodcutter cities.

>>84994199
Drunigzar's society has changed a lot thanks to this new way of life. Before this commercial evolution, drunigs venerate a plethora of human gods, but nowadays they mainly focus on three: the God of the Sea and the Twin Goddesses of Fortune and Misfortune. Drunigs need the sea to expand, or even just survive, since they need to import quite a lot of food, now that the population is bigger that what the lands can really sustain. Merchants in particular will pray to the Twin Goddesses of Fortune and Misfortune, both to wish for good luck in their endeavours and to wish for bad luck to their competition.

>>84990447
we should have hollow earth entrances

I'm glad this place is still alive.

I wonder what the lore is behind that Tesia Isthmus. BRB!

>>84994680
Ah. Well, that took my lore idea and shot it down.

It seems like Grobianismus doesn't actually have much lore. Anybody mind if I try some world building?

>>84994800
Historically, the area of land known as "Grob" (Literally meaning "shit" in the ancient tongue of the first tribesmen who settled there) was completely useless. It is commonly believed that before the Grand Leviathan died at the hands of the gods, it shit itself, and it's droppings completely destroyed any form of ancient settlement or civilization in the area, save for a few who survived. Historians have absolutely no clue how anyone, human or not, could have survived, apart from a single myth, passed down through word of mouth for millennia, titled: The Fall. (Note: the translations are rough at best, and we've almost certainly missed a few details, but they probably weren't that important.) "And so, we climbed upwards, past that ancient stone, burst forth from the shit, and were borne again". This is clearly the ancient tribal's creation myth, though no gods (as far as we can tell) are mentioned whatsoever.

>>84994800
>>84994973
The Merfolk post said that the Grobianismus was once a part of the Merfolk Empire but when the Merfolk God Uun grew bored or displeased he cursed all his subjects and that's how they ended up the way they were

>>84994973
Eventually, the tribals adjusted to their strange life, and build large and surprisingly advanced castles and forts, though since nobody wanted to conquer them (for obvious reasons) their castle-cities were very open, with many holes that they probably used as windows. Most of them were probably build using magic anyway.
However, this was not to last. Eventually, these massive castles began to crumble over the years, in favor of simpler, smaller structures such as mud huts. This made it incredibly easy for them to be conquered later on by an exiled heir of the eight castles. (Also sorry for putting OP as my name earlier, I'm also running a sequel thread for the Primarch Rolling Tables)

>>84995058
I haven't read about the Merfolk empire in the Wiki yet. Sorry I guess.

>>84995058
Also forgot to turn on auto-update. Sorry again.

>>84995133
It's okay man, it's really up to the majority if they feel lore can be reworked

>>84995163
Thanks. Mind if I get back to it?

>>84995192
Dammit I did it again! I really have to remember to change my name whe

>>84994800
>>84994973
Grobianismus's history is explained under the Merfolk Empire entry:
https://crumbling-giantstep.fandom.com/wiki/Merfolk_Empire?so=search

>>84993444
Glutton Island is a real place, but it is debatable whether people can get there easily, see speculative discussion
>>84991727
>>84991865
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>>84995192
I guess but it might not get approved by the powers that be (wikia editors)

>>84995254
I mean we can just say it's a magical semi-dimension with it only being accessed through certain requirements or if the gods feel like it, other than that maybe when you try to sail to it it's just open waters

>>84995258
To be fair, I read the entry on Grobianismus and there was basically nothing there. If there was something there that directed me to the Merfolk empire, It wasn't there when I read it.

Well, I already started this. I might as well finish it.

>>84995100
To most people, yes, you heard me say eight castles, despite there being only seven in the barony today. I say eight because, technically speaking, Grobianismus is part of the seven baronies. Apparently there used to be an overly cruel yet intelligent eighth baron that resided on the very edge of the eight baronies. The war that removed him was the only time we know of that all the other barons were allied. (Yes, I read the Wiki. No I have not seen any mention of the seven baronies yet on the all page)

>>84990296
How often do threads go up? I really like this sort of community writing, and want to pop in to help out as often as I can.

>>84995564
I have absolutely no clue how often it happens. Also, hi OP! Sorry about kinda stealing your title for a few times.

>>84995533
However, his royal court escaped, and with a well-planned explosive trap, his enemies' armies were defeated, and the seven baronies went back to squabbling.
The intelligent and cruel baron, despite not having much of an army, had the wisdom and technical know-how to nearly wipe out the local tribals and made them submit before his glory.
In the years following, many of his new tribal slaves died building his castle, an impressive construct of stone and steel that rivalled any within the seven baronies. The ex-baron, now king of the newly christened kingdom of Grobianismus, focused on keeping his new holdings a secret by engineering a false myth about Grobianismus being part of the Merfolk Empire in days long ago, and how it was struck down by the Merfolk god Uun who cursed the very soil itself.

>>84990296
I once wrote out this idea for a petty king. He's a lich who runs his land using blight to help rotate his crops and denizens. Lets his citizens be as degenerate as possible because once they become hyper degenerate scum the blight takes over and turns them into his undead army. Its like a clock, and the blight is on the hour hand. Where the hour hand has passed over recently is (un)dead, and behind that are the most conservative/traditional people. Then as you get closer to where the hour hand will be, the people get more degenerate.
I'm not sure if I'll ever run this idea, but if you guys think it would be a good fit for the setting and want me to go more in depth about it, I would love to. At the very least I want to get my idea out there if I never get to run it.

>>84995751
I came up with this idea while playing Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne, and thinking of ways to play off of characters who let their vices get ahead of them too often.

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Returned Terminus to the very bottom of the map where it was. If the assclown that changed the lore on the city could revert it back that would be great.

>>84995751
I think somebody mentioned earlier about the ruler of the Necrotic Isles (Or whatever they're called) in response to one of mine about a plot to ressurect the Grand Leviathan and control the world.

>>84995783
Let me try to find it.
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>>84995811
And no, it wasn't in response to me suggesting that the Grand Leviathan would return. But this one was!
>>84991111

Is this world round or flat? I know the first time it was brought up people seemed to like the idea of a cosmic staircase but the lore seems to be contradictory about it now.

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>>84995751
As for the undead army, they aren't entirely military. Much of them actually make up the majority of the agricultural force so his people can enjoy other pursuits.
The main sticker is that he has implemented this cyclical undeath because people naturally gravitate towards degeneracy over generations, and his people were under threat of being destroyed this way. So he turns to lichdom so he can be the fair ruler who ensures prosperity for eternity. He's concerned with keeping the people happy, and they are happy despite meeting an unlife that's as disgusting as the life they lived. Incredibly laissez-faire, despite the fact that practically everyone is doomed to be conscripted into the undead labor force at one point or another, through a cruel incurable disease.

>>84995733
Eventually, the baron-turned-king died, but he made sure to leave his knowlege to his heirs within a massive library in the castle. There are of course rumors of a massive secret within the library, a passage which goes down for miles beneath the ground. However, this is most likely hearsay, and thus, completely useless information.
The discoveries of the first Grobanian king are far more fascinating anyway, like how he discovered that the ground up blood and bones of his tribal slaves, when mixed with the shit that made up the ground, became one of the most rich and fertile composts known worldwide (which explains how Grobianismus is the leading exporter of manure, and why the soil closest to the capital is the most rich and fertile in all the world.)

>>84995847
We had a poll earlier today. Last time I checked, the world was a cube, though it could be something different by now.

>>84995932
Alright. I changed the lore on Terminus a tiny bit to reflect that and its original position before some anon decided to change it.

>>84995904
>>84995751
Let me know when/where and if this would make sense if you guys are interested. I'd happily keep going on about it, but don't want to do it unprompted.

>>84996041
I mean, I have an idea. The place you could use it would be the ruler of the Okhost islands, who, for one reason or another, is resurrecting the Grand Leviathan.

Would it make sense if the Southern city states of Scimitaria were the descendants of slaves taken by the Drow when they were a single state? Asking before I write some lore.

>>84995564
I think these projects pop up a few times per year, this one has lasted abnormally long though, despite all the drama. Current OP has rejuvenated it.

>>84996127
Yeah this does share a lot in common with Vandervax. Would the necrotic cycle be felt by the Isles overall, or would each civilian center follow their own cycle?

>>84995922
Now to discuss the leaders of Grobianismus. The leaders are, of course, the royal family of Grobian (their true names have been wiped away from the annals of history). Due to the massive abundance of crops within the capital's walls, the royal family is beyond a healthy weight. They do, of course, have the same cruelty as their shared ancestor, and they constantly send out knights to rejuvenate the soil so that it becomes even better to grow crops in. The royal family has excellent genes, which is why they consistently live over a hundred years old, while still keeping the glow and beauty of youth of someone sixty years younger. There are, of course, rumors surrounding them. That they are so plump that they cannot move, and occasionally so ravenous that they eat their own servants in a single bite. I can assure you that is simply the rumor mill of lesser men. Those that serve the royal family, the knights, are one of the best specimens of humanity I have ever seen. Standing over six feet tall, bulging with muscle and beauty of otherworldly proportions, and they can kill a man with their bare hands. Ripping him into shreds like an animal...a very well behaved and glorious protector indeed!
And of course, we have to discuss the peasants. They are the descendants of the conquered tribals, and other than that, I have nothing to say about them.

>>84996358
Unfortunately I have to sleep now. Goodnight.

>>84994243
Having managed to abandon poverty to becoming one of the wealthiests nations in the area is something that all drunigs enjoy as their national pride. This results in a surprisingly low amount of social fricction for a society as competitive. Traders will compete with each other to see whose's going to be more successful in the same gentlemanly way old knights may have duel with each other, and the same goes for other levels of society. They will also protect their national interests, helping to subtlilly drive away non-drunig competition whenever the chance appears, to keep drunig monopolies around.

Many of the noble houses of Drunigzar also double as trading companies, with the royal trading company being the biggest and most important of them all. It has become a common custom to see them adopting into their houses plebians that show a particular talent for business. This tradition dates back to the early days of the commercial expansion, when the noble houses needed desperately experienced manpower to handle the king's expeditions. The adopted plebian will be educated and treated as a nobleborn, and in exchange they will have to give a portion of their earnings for the rest of their life to the noble house's trading company. This causes the nobleborn of outside of Drunigzar to use the term "drunig nobility" as a term to describe something fake accepted for convenience's sake.

>>84996389
The quick population growth has caused many problems to Drunigzar. Most of the land from the inner parts of the country has been neary abandoned, with very few herder groups and small towns left to live as they use to. All that population who moved to the coastal cities created outpaced the cities' ability to manage it, causing high crime rates in the poorest areas. The land borders of the country have also lost a lot of population, which scares the kingdom's politicians due to the weakening of the borders' strength. The crown has tried to compensate this by creating state funded incentives to settle down in the border, but the attraction of the sea life limits its success.

>>84991653
Looks like Yugoslavia

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>>84996279
Now that I get to thinking about it, let me submit this for your approval.
Each island follows it's own cycles, orchestrated by a central cathedral of skeleton-priests. Okhost seems pretty hostile, since it only has one public port. As a defense mechanism, the outside of the islands are permanently blighted and toxic. The only somewhat-arable land is closer towards the center. As the Skeleton-Priests have been extending their reach and power, so has the amount of land they sacrifice to blight and poison. Over the ages the overall land quality has been declining from the ever encroaching undead powers and abuse of the natural cycle. Forbidden lore speaks of a time when generations could be spared from being exposed to the crude corrupting oil of unlife. But in our era the cycle is being pushed to it's extreme, and the patches of permanent blight once benignly used for defense are seeping ever deeper, forming a thick toxic ring around each island. Its unknown when the spread began, if it was accidental, or if this was planned from the beginning. The untainted land remaining, as well as it's quality and remaining living population varies between the islands. Though at this point most islands have very little civilian population remaining.
Pictured is an old scholar's graph of Okhost's westernmost island. The gradient of purple represents the plague, in yellow is untainted land, at the center is the cathedral in black and red stripe. The gray is the "Edge of Despair" that revolves counter-clockwise around the island (which was meant to be clockwise, but I fucked up the drawing) which absolves the plague, leaving the land behind relatively usable. Notice how the quality has reduced over time, as well as the plague spreading.

> The Great Olympiad
Every leap-year the Gnolls organize an event only known as the Great Olympiad, a leftover of the conquered Khenomeric Empire. It is said that in ancient times before the Khenomeric people even united the warring states would stop all war and would instead compete via various contests f individual prowace. The Gnolls thought it was fun so they kept going.

Each major tribe sends it's own athletes, but so do the various Gnoll subjects like: Setlovian Tribes, Ketlovians and the Dragongod.

Then their allies send delegations. The Peacock, Manskin and Swampogres arrive from far away lands lured in by the promise of feasts and a good fight while the Okhostian Necromancers merely use this opportunity to try out the combat potential of their newest undead.

Lastly come those who were not asked if they want to attend... slaves from unwilling neighbours such as the Cowmen, Tenzin, Ra'ga, Kinga, Bhakkari and Frogfolk are organized into 'teams' representing their nations with full pretense held up that they are there willingly and as full combatants.

The Olympyad is a mockery of a sporting event. All events allow for attacking and killing each other so barely any event is carried out as intended. A sprint? How about mid-run one gets mad and bites the leg of another a brawl ensues and a few badly maimed contestants are left attempting to crawl to the finish line. Either way knolls greatly look forward to the display as it's really entertaining and parts of looser participants are handed out as food to the on-lookers.

While most contests are a mockery of ancient Khenomeric ones like wrestling, sprinting, chariot racing, magic archery, spear throwing, marathon running, a sport akin to aztek soccer and swimming others have been added later by the Gnolls.

Such a necromancer battle-command, an eating contest, a chain climbing competition (trick used to make people train for wars with the Dragongod), and arrow dodging.

>>84996668
That last one frankly being only for the entertainment of the Emperor who finds it enjoyable to be firing arrows into the crowd to see who can dodge the longest. A little fun never hurt anyone right?

Few participants in the events ever make it out alive so there is no individual prizes instead for each win points are assigned to the winner's team be it tribe or country. And the top 3 with the highest points at the end are given a gold, silver and bronze medal respectively.

Gold may demand any wish from from the Emperor and it shall be granted.

Silver may demand land be handed over from their neighbours as enforced by the emperor a deal he indeed upheld when the Frogfolk representation took 2nd place once giving away land from the empire itself.

Bronze may demand a single artifact from the lower treasury of the Emperor.

The event itself was considered an important first step by the Emperor to establish relations with foreign nations however clumsy they are for in many ways the Great Olympiad only exemplifies the cruel, brutal and uncontrollable nature of the Gnolls.

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>>84995751
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>>84996279
Vandervax is starting to sound like quite a fucker eh? As would be expected from a lich.

>>84991926
Makes sense, though the Glutton God was supposed to be like the good counterpart to the Great Maw which is the evil God of gluttony of the ogres and Gnolls.

Maybe only those with a pure heart can enter the island, but may not leave? With the island of fitness having rebelled against the Glutton God wishing to stop eating endlessly

>>84992270
What happens in the Ettin Range? Never heard of it before

>>84992416
The giant worms were parasites which used to live in the skin of the Divine giant.

They spent millennia feeding on bits of skin left behind deep beneath the sands when he touched the earth.

>>84996661
Seeing as the quality of the land has been reduced over time, it can reasonably be assumed that the EoD's potency has reduced over time as the priests have been extending the blight. If it's true that the EoD's influence is waning, that means that the strained unnatural balance Okhost relies on to survive is being threatened. This would certainly put a lot of pressure on Vandervax to find a solution. Perhaps he plans to summon the Grand Leviathan in some sort of demented plan to alter the balance back in his favor. Whether it be out of world dominational delusions, or out of desperate damage control; he is very intent on bringing back the terrible beast.

Attempted timeline of Khenomeric and Gnoll Empire

> Khenomeric citystates form
> Olympics are born
> Khenomerics invent magic (birthplace of magic)
> the Pharaouhkhan family with their unique magic becomes rulers, unites the citystates
> war against the Goddragons, Goddragon King is sealed and keep asleep by Song
> loss of the magic of the Pharaohkhan lineage (divimancy)
> Mage-priesthood becomes dominant
> a warrior-pharaohkhan restores position of the ruling family trough building a strong non-mage reliant army.
> his son expells or kills all mages which creates the Astromancers, Forest of getting lost and Okhost
> the Bog Witch conquers the first Ogre Kingdoms, enslaves them int swamp Ogres, rest flees east attacking the Khenomerics or settling with the Gnolls
> Gnolls convert to Ogre faith
> Gnolls conquer Khenomeric Empire (which was long in decline)
> killing of the singers keeping the Dragongod King asleep, 1st was with the Dragongod King
> Okhost necromancers teach gnolls necromancy in exchange for access to old Necromancer Holy sites
> conquest of Ketlovia
> conquest of west Nogar
> 2nd war with the Dragongod King
> Subjugation of the Seguerials (partially sucessful)
> 3rd and 4th war with the Dragongod King
> Nario Aurellis journey to document the Gnoll Empire

>>84996695
Would you believe that his cold-unbeating heart used to swell with limitless love in the bygone ages?

>>84996868
Not anymore though lol. There's a reason they call him "The Vile"

>>84996877
>>84996868
Maybe we should give him a previous epithet from his past life when he was loving and compassionate.

>>84996889
Maybe in his mortal life he was known as Vandervax the Virtuous before he fell to darkness?

>>84996868
>>84996877
What Litches are there overall?

Vandervax the ruler of Okhost is a litch and I presume the most powerful one there. The Gnoll Emperor is also a Litch and only one in the Gnoll Empire.

I imagine Okhost should have at 10 Litches maybe? Mossovoy should also have some Litches.

Should the Isle of Wizards have Litches? What is their attitude towards black magic?

>>84996946
>rules of magic
We never really established sokid magic rules. How does the magic system work? Does anyone have the potential to become a wizard, or only gifted people can? Do they need special relation to gods and spirits, or their powers come from within? Are different kinds of magic, or it's just how you use it?

>>84996903
That's pretty good, I like that.
>>84996946
I would imagine that there would be at least one lich overseeing the necrotic cycle of each island. There are 7 islands, one of which would probably require two separate cycles because of how large it is. That would be 8 Liches constantly attending the cycle, add 1 lieutenant for Vandervax, that would round it out to 10 in total for Okhost.

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>>84996995
Draconic Gnolls

These are the two 'races' born from the flesh of the Dragongod King in the 4th war and now serve hi mexclusivelly.

>>84996983
So the Skeleton Priests are in fact liches?

>>84997012
probably a good idea would be weird if the Isle of necromancers had the same amount of litches as the Gnolls, but the Emperor was a lich since thread 3 so would be bit dickish to retcon it.

>>84997012
I don't want to inundate the setting with liches, but neither would they. I think the term "Skeleton Priest" was more or less manufactured to hide that they have phylacteries. And if at any point any Priest died and was "replaced", it was actually just the lich reclaiming his title once he reformed. I would keep the fact that the 9 Priests are liches an occult secret.

>>84996567
The old drunig knights are not happy with the new order of things, since the new way of life is nearly antithetical to theirs. The old ways of controlling the land and protecting the peasantry in exchange of protections and other fees goes right out the window then the countries' fortunes come from the sea. Many knight decided to take this changes in stride and form part of the militar outposts at the borders of the kingdom, but many others have joined pirate groups, and even abandoned Drunigzar altogether as mercenaries. This wayward knights are loathed by the entirety of drunig society, seen as both traitors and criminals, abandoning their bows to the kingdom once they no longer afforded them the same measure of power and influence as before.

>>84997050
Do we have some magical counterpart to the liches? Maybe life priests of some sort, specialised on helping the undead go to the other side?

>>84997150
This is my first time in the thread, I've only begun reading the wiki. So I don't exactly know if we have anything like that already, but we could certainly come up with something. Maybe we could play off of how Lich Phylacteries are based off of prayer boxes.

>>84997185
>>84997150
Yeah hold on. What if Vandervax the Virtuous had these Nega-Lich Life priests in his kingdom. When he decided to make his final sacrifice to his people and became the lich we know today, the priests followed suit, trapping their souls in their old prayer boxes: becoming phylacteries in both forms of the word.
Or perhaps they never actually turned undead, and channel raw divine power to keep the cycle running-- hence why the Edge of Dread is able to cleanse the undead blight.
If we go with the later option, the name "Skeleton Priest" doesn't mean a priest that is a skeleton, but instead someone who is performing their most barebones core job as a priest, cleansing the unclean. Or perhaps we strike somewhere in the middle and it takes on both meanings.

>>84997150
The Avangar have their flame priests I guess. Otherwise not really, changrila was Lawful Good so we might give them Holy Monks or something or immortal wuxia cultivators.

>>84991715
I envisioned Drunigzar as a mix between ancient Greece and age of exploration Portugal, with all of the themes of sea trade and exploration.

>>84990296
that gnoll empire is begging to be sacked from every angle expect the north

>>84997551
How? The gnoll empire has no real competition at their borders. Its neighbours are too weak to fight them in a war, usually needing outside help to beat them, like the Ra crabmen.

>>84997551
They are the ones who do the sacking

>>84992851
context?
I wasn't here earlier and I would like to know what would break this rule

>>84996967
My headcanon is that very few people are born with magical affinity, known ones from the Lore are Avangar and some Aine Saevherne wizard. Think of them as child prodigies, able to learn magic extremely quickly.

However magic can also be taught by other wizards, but mostly by institutes. Known ones are in Avangar (dark arts mostly), Arangea (Pyromancy and Alchemy), Isle of Wizards (I assume) and probably the Citadel of Hithlone.

If I were to assume,most sorcery institutions aren't just open to anyone learning magic. It's either the extremely rich (corrupt institutions) or people with already some hints of genetical affinity towards magic. Magic is a powerful tool, after all, you wouldn't want to teach everyone that.

>>84997150
>>84997355
I think there was a nation that was written which despised the undead and necromancy. The Alltaf tribes I think, and also one more.

>>84997683
allowing new landmasses begs for the setting to never be finished or have any meaningful progress done, as everyone's more interested in adding new nations than expanding on lore or creating maps/content. Also, adding new landmasses undermines the work that's already done. Just look at the previous /tg/ setting, where there are continents twice as big as the original landmasses, it's stupid.

These threads almost died when this arguement came up around thread 3 so we universally agreed on no more continents.

I updated the Gnoll, Avangar and Drunigzar lores into the wiki, I'm honestly confused at which version of the Grobianismus origin is "canon" and about the Okhost lore, so I'm gonna let you decide on that and add it to the wiki.

>>84997863
sounds good enough to me. Where does the magic come from then? is it something esoteric (gods, spirits, feeling, etc.) or maybe something more physical (air particles/nanobots, the "weave" etc.)?

>>84997891
alright, that clears alot up actually, thanks anon.

>>84997902
I'd just let it be ambiguous, no need to expand on that. But it could very well be that unless said magical person "unlocked" his magic potential, he could go on his entire life without even knowing he possesed the power of the arcane.

Honestly, I really like fantasy settings where magic and wizards are rare and not like the Elder Scrolls, where mages are more common than regular fighters. It undermines mage characters and makes them less important/special.

>>84997900
Some ambiguity is fine

>>84996661
>>84996730
I like these
>>84995751
>>84995904

Current lore for Okhost states

>Okhost is primarily uninhabited. Zombies and other reanimated organisms plow the poor fields and labour in the meagre mines that dot the land, while foreign vessels are limited to the one usable port across the entirety of the skeleton-priests' dominion. The skeleton-priests maintain exceedingly low taxes (flat 0.5%), thereby stimulating investment from pro-necromantic powers like the gnolls, but the apparatus is highly centralized, with all funds flowing to a common pool which is then used to purchase foreign luxuries.

Maybe you could connect those.

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>>84996358
>The royal family has excellent genes, which is why they consistently live over a hundred years old, while still keeping the glow and beauty of youth of someone sixty years younger.
Nope they are canonically ugly inbreds
>Everyone except the caricaturesque noblemen who are ugly as sin and wipe their asses with how much gold they have, is really fucking poor, miserable and basically a slave.

>>84996967
only the seventh son of a seventh son can do magic, then there's selling you soul to gain black magic abilities, conch magic that can only be practised by wavewalkers, being a deity of some sort and "scientific magic" known as alchemy

>only the seventh son of a seventh son can do magic

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>>84998145
Here's the OG Grobianismus post for reference since people seem to kinda overlook it when adding lore
>The Medieval Mudcore Kingdom is located to the relative east of the continent. Everything stinks is soacked in a muddy green-brownish color palette and people are farting, shitting and raping everywhere. From this place the black plague originated which is just like the irl plague but the suffering takes three times as long and is considerably more painful. There's also a comically evil Inquisition that burns everyone at the stake for even the slightest suspicion of being a witch which can be everything from having sex before marriage, having red hair or being called a witch by literally anyone. Everyone has really bad manners and behaves like described in the lyrical style of medieval Grobianismus known from works like the Narrenschiff. Nobody bathes, Horses can't enter towns because the mud is knee deep on a good day, pigs are everywhere, the average lifespan is 30 years and everyone who isn't a peasant fucks their relatives to keep the bloodline pure. The peasants just do it for fun. The favorite weapon is the flail and people keep coming up with ridicolously elaborate torture devices which is pretty much the only innovation coming from there. There's a weird psychoanalytical fixation on excrement going on and the humor, art and poetry from this nation are nothing but fart jokes. People are scared as shit to go to hell but for some strange reason they just seem to do everything they can to go there after death despite comitting suicide. Everyone except the caricaturesque noblemen who are ugly as sin and wipe their asses with how much gold they have, is really fucking poor, miserable and basically a slave. Think Pasolini's most abysmal scat fantasy crossed with the Peasants from Monty Python's holy grail.

Friendly reminder that these threads > the wiki in terms of what is canon and what's not. Please make sure to check the related search terms in the archive aswell before coming up with new lore

>>84990835
Has there been any progress on this so far? I don't want to push but I think it's one of the most interesting projects going on right now

>>84998627
How so? People often contradict each other in these threads while in the wiki most of the stuff doesn't.

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A volunteer pondling wizard helping mantain the Great Wall of Fire stopping the termite and ant hordes. Coloured.

>>84998627
Debatable what goes on the wiki is the set in stone stuff.

Though some stuff is missing like the mercenary companies that people came up with never made it to the wiki.

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The Oligarchic Republic of Hithlone lies in the island of Terpsythea, with Hithlone being its largest and most important city.

>History

Terpsythea was first inhabited by a group of humans fleeing to the south, being slaves in the Drow (Western Elf) Empire. They founded the canal city of Hithlone on the delta of the Fulenn river.

Thank to its location, Hithlone quickly became a prosperous city, trading with much of the western coast of Giantstep. However, after a series of wars, they were once again conquered by the Drow. Under their yoke they suffered for almost 20 years, until a series of internal political strifes cause the Drow Confederacy to split into multiple city-states, an opportunity many of the human city-states of the south used to gain their independence, Hithlone included.

>Government

The Republic is ruled from Hithlone, under a council of the city's wealthiest merchants and influential nobles. The laws of Hithlone are very lax concerning trade, so many foreign merchants have set up their businesses in Hithlone.

>Economy

The main export of Hithlone are colourful dyes (who cannot compare of those from the Triarchy, however), silk, pearls and wine produced from the vineyards towards the centre of Terspythea. Being their most produced product, the "Terpsythea Gold" - as their wine is called - is perhaps the most sought out wine in the West. Hithlone also trades with Azhar Nar, Azan and Furlaniya for steel and mercenaries, the Triarchy and Moreelse for slaves, as well as Blesire, mostly for wool and oils.

>Culture

Hithloneans place a great importance on arts and music. Bards from Hithlone are known all over the courts of the West, playing a unique nine-stringed instrument by strumming its chords. Hithlone also holds one of the biggest art galleries in the world, with many Hithlonean artists painting the most most famous paintings in Azan and Changri-La.

[cont]

>>84999649
No it's the stuff that some rando that made it allows in. That being said even the wiki itsel agrees with me on that:
>Everything goes trough the thread first.

>>84999016
>People often contradict each other in these threads
The poster that first added the lore is right in this case. We decided to not allow retcons a long time ago

>>85000939
>some rando

I've literally been updating the wiki since thread 2, having made 99% of its contributions and yet you can me "some rando", funny. What's the "stuff that some rando made" that I allow in but no the others?

If you're so capable you can mantain the wiki yourself instead of depending on others to do so.

Not naming the wiki "The Grand Library of Xandrilex" is a missed opportunity imo

>>85000975
See I just called you a random guy and you already sperg. That's why you don't get to have this kind of power over the lore. The canon hierarchy goes Map > Threads > Wiki

>>85001012
Yes I "sperg" because I've written down everything that everyone has written since (and before) the original OP left while you're a newfag who tries to dictate what's canon and what's not.

I'm not a dictator, the wiki is open for editing by anyone. If you think I'm doing a bad job you're more than welcome to fill in the gaps instead of expecting people to read 10+ archived threads.

Also I'm still waiting of you to mention what's the stuff that I made that I allowed.

>>85001061
>newfag
based on what exactly do you make this assumption?
>Yes I "sperg"
proves my point
>I'm not a dictator
yet you decide to add certain things and not add other things by the mere authority of having made the wiki. I'm not saying you shouldn't btw I'm just saying that this makes you a subjective censor while the og threads are the objective unfiltered and raw lore.
>the wiki is open for editing by anyone
and it should be very easy to see why that might eventually become a problem.

Don't take this as a personal offense pal and honestly thanks for putting so much effort into this project but the archived threads and the map should be trumping the wiki when it comes to what's canon since changing the wiki is very easy to do and carries the risk of a not insignificant arbitrariness while archived threads can't be changed and everyone can understand the order of the loredumps by visiting the archieve. The wiki is a great ressource but for the reasons I mentioned it's just that. A quick way to read up on a nation or other lore without claim to correctness or completeness

>>85001321
Okay, I might have sounded aggressive but that's part of the frustration coming out. The only parts that I've edited out or in (without consulting the thread first) are stuff that I myself has written so I didn't feel the need to inform the thread about me changing the name of a character I came up with, for example.

I'm not saying the wiki predates the threads by any means, but a lot of the "objective unfiltered raw lore" condradict each other and this becomes hard even for me to censor since there are over 200 nations.

One example is that of the Merfolk Empire and Grobianismus. Even if the latter's lore condradicts the former's about Grobianismus being a place cursed by the god Uun, the former still has added lore for the Seven Castle Barons (which doesn't condradict anything) so I'm in kind of a tough place. If I decide to add one part of the lore but not the other, people get mad. If I don't add anything, whoever wrote those won't do it himself and his lore will (likely) be lost in the archives.

>>85001349
>The only parts that I've edited out or in (without consulting the thread first) are stuff that I myself has written so I didn't feel the need to inform the thread about me changing the name of a character I came up with, for example.

To follow on this, as you can tell by my name I'm currently writing lore on Hithlone. I may decide in the future that one of the deities' names sounds silly or dumb, so I might change that in the wiki. That might sound like a retcon or an arbitrary change by me since you don't know what I've written or not. Although there's an option in the wiki to note what I've changed and why, it often slips past you when you edit 200+ pages.

>>85000939
Everyone can edit the wiki Anon. It's open for editing

>>85001389
that's the point

>>85001218
Fair point the threads can't be changed, but a rando could troll the wiki.

>>85001349
All fine. Wiki stuff should be stuff from thread unless edited for readability or the OP gave permission for editing. I think the Gnoll Short story is open for editing.

>>85001349
Chill bro nobody wants the wiki gone. People have just pointed out that the original lore dumps that got added to the (real) map are the most credible lore source.

We're past boop limit so baked new bread:
>>85001905

>>85001349
Honestly I just added that lore about the seven castle barons for (somewhat literal) shits and giggles. If you wanna use it and say that the rulers of Grobianismus are descended from an exiled seven castles baron, I'm down for that.

>>85001950
I should also point out the fact that the Grobianismus entry barely had anything when I looked. Nothing there told me to go check out the Merfolk empire for more lore.

>>85001971
I did the edit, there's a little blurb about going to the Merfolk empire for more info.

>>84991715
>Elanxa

Meant to have a very vague Asian feeling, but ended up just being a little weird.

>Nogar

In my mind I was envisioning south-east Asian aesthetics, think Angkhor Wat, but it wasn't basing it on any actual state.

Sounds cool, I'm in.