I'd recommend throwing the game in the garbage because the creator is a lying asshole.

He's an asshole who ripped off Warhammer, and then got the trove taken down. Fuck that dickbag and he can die in a fire.

>>85527925
Post the pdf.

>>85527925
The creator's a faggot, just play the Warhammer RPG instead.

>>85527925
Yeah, Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 2nd edition, and Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th Edition.

Post the pdf.

>>85527925
I don't begrudge the guy for ripping off warhammer, but his other behavior has exhausted any good will that every may have existed for him in my camp.

>>85527925
When the game was kickstarted and released, there was nothing out that fixed the few issues with WFRP 2e, and they made a decently big deal about making the vapour-ware Nippon book for 2e a reality with the original creators at the helm.
Well, now WFRP 4e exists and Tetsubo was cancelled because the original creators aren't Japanese, and to make it without a Japanese person would be tantamount to a hate crime to someone like Zweihander's creator.

Play either edition of WFRP, and never give Daniel Fox your money.

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>Zweinhander RPG very own thread
YASS QUEEN

>>85527925
The creator of this game destroys what was the equivalent of the library of Alexandria and you wish for us to give it a review? If you have a physical copy I suggest you use it as toilet paper. That will be all.

>>85527925
The author is a onions-infused cuck with an extremely fragile ego who tries to take legal action against people who criticize his game and spent thousands of dollars trademarking some D&D-related word so a "Gamergate" group couldn't use it. The game itself is a d100 but done shittily, it takes Warhammer's dogshit setting and rearranges the names and does next to nothing unique. The rules are hot ass, and punching someone is as damaging as shooting them with a musket.

>>85527925
Post the pdf if you're brave enough, Dan.

>>85527976
Isn't Warhammer just d100 roll under with basic shit like races, skills, talents and careers?

>>85527925
Fuck off Daniel.

>>85527925

OP or you are really retarded or you are Danienl.

In both case: fuck off, this game sucks and should be used as toilet paper at best. Its author is toxic and nobody should listen to him/give money to him

>>85527925
>Daniel Fox took down the trove
is there proof that he did take down the trove or did he just gloat about it?
This Daniel guy seems like he validates negative stereotypes about his ilk just by being himself.
I'm saying this as someone who uses this blightsite.

>>85527942
Daniel has used every dirty trick in the book to promote his game on Drivethrurpg. Sock puppet accounts, fake reviews, setting the price to .01 and buying 500 copies to gain best seller badges and to propel his rip off of WHFRP to the front page/best sellers. In short he is a total dick that seeks to win at any costs.

>>85528020
>Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay 4th Edition

How about you fuck off secondary

WHFRP 4th is not true Warhammer and is infected with diversity

cockgobbler is its name not zweihander

>>85533379
>infected with diversity
The Old World is a setting that literally has Fantasy Africa (Araby) Fantasy China (Cathay), Fantasy Japan (Nihongo). There are counterparts to Spain (Estalia) and Italy (Tilea). There's literally a Fantasy counterpart to every single culture that exists in the real world. Warhammer has always been a diverse setting, the idea that it's "all nordic northern europe all the time" is just false.

If anything Age of Smegmar is WAY less diverse than the Old World ever was.

>>85532648

>Punching someone is as damaging as shooting them with a musket
That's quite literally how the rules in WHFRP 2e worked, Anon. All weapons used the same damage die, you just added a different damage bonus.

I get not liking the rules, and Zweihander has issues rules wise: the compression of Weapon Skill and Ballistic skill into one roll, the overly complex and onerous pseudo-alignment system, but it's never not amusing to see the same invalid critiques trotted out over and over again because you hate the creator.

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>>85527925
So Daniel is a legit Hypocrite. He rails against "problematic" content in RPGs. He basically called for the Goblin Slayer! TRPG to be banned for the monster Rape, yet Zweihander legit has these things in it.

>>85528013
I hate to agree since I like parts of the game but yeah, its basically a stripped-down Warhammer Fantasy with no good lore and less clear(simple) mechanics

>>85533624
Yes, but, and stay with me here keep up you downy little bitch: All of those nations and peoples AND the "nordic northern european" ones exist in a world broadly analogous to the early Renaissance period, and functioned technologically, culturally, socially, and economically accordingly.

WFRP4th has black-as-coal noble families in the fucking Empire. It asserts that professions of all kinds are completely gender neutral - one can be a male Nun, or a female State Trooper, or a male Fisherwoman. The Grand Theogonist is a fucking woman and women priests are kosher, which is dumb enough in context - but the religion is somehow also still a sexist boogeyman when they want to Make A Point. It's positively dripping with Current Year bullshit that doesn't fit into the setting, the writers know they can't make it fit, so they just declare it to be true by fiat.

>>85534708
>xist in a world broadly analogous to the early Renaissance period, and functioned technologically, culturally, socially, and economically accordingly
Didn't the empire go from a bunch of illiterate retards to having libraries and plumbing in the 50 years of Sigma's rein (also literally going from tribes to empire in that same span)
Warhammer's fluff is dogshit

>>85534708
I write out the entire ethnogenesis of racial and ethnic groups in every setting I write so that I can actually tell players what people in any given region look like, what their language or regional dialect is like, and what their names sound like.

I can't say I blame GW for being too lazy to do this and for eventually just turning everything into Dragon Age, but it's sure fucking cringe.

>>85527925
O Danny boy, the trove, the trove drove you mad
From DTRPG to PDF and down the channels
The summer's gone and all the roses falling
'Tis you, 'tis you must go and I must bide

>>85534708
>All of those nations and peoples AND the "nordic northern european" ones exist in a world broadly analogous to the early Renaissance period, and functioned technologically, culturally, socially, and economically accordingly.
Except they don't, because of the constant state of fucking supernatural war going on. Your "bUt ItS jUsT tHe SaMe As EuRoPe" argument falls apart in a world where giant demon armies come down from the hole in the north pole with frequent regularity to fuck everyones shit up, as do hosts of Greenskins, Vampires, Zombies and Skellies, and occasionally not!France. They are playing with historical tropes but you're a fucking moron if you think the old world needs any kind of parity with 1400 Germany.

>>85527925
No-one worth reading is going to write any homebrew for Zweihander.

>>85527925
There have been a lot of threads here, all telling how shitty both this game and its author are

>>85527925
Kill yourself Daniel

>>85533361
Nah he just gives himself credit for it. All he accomplished was whining about it on twitter.

>>85533784
I never said WHFRP was good either. Warhammer and Zweihander are both shitty products made by shitty people.

>>85534725
>Warhammer's fluff is dogshit
It is but more for the fact that the setting is fucking pointless. The writers set up anything and everything as being linked to or controlled by Chaos and Chaos can win and does win any time it wants. A quest to save a temple or something loses any kind of suspense when you know that the retard Chaos god whose cult you're fighting could just will you -and- your god out of existence in a nanosecond.

>>85528090
>When the game was kickstarted and released
How successful was this shit?

>>85538927
Speaking of which, I think the only thing Zweihander does better fluffwise is its Chaos isn't omnipotent and omnipresent, but then again everything else sucks so much dick that changing that alone doesn't do much good.

>>85538941
Chaos isn't omnipotent in WHF, that's why the daemons and their followers keep getting killed.

>>85533784
2e is outdated trash that had the dignity to die. Zweihander has no excuse.

>>85538973
Demons infinitely respawn and followers can be resurrected at any time by their gods. Also Chaos could spawn in (literally) infinite demons at any time, or in WHF spawn in their 40k battlefleets and marines, assuming the Chaos gods didn't just cause the planet to explode or blink out of existence (both of which they can do at any time). Also, Chaos gods can control time at will, IE they could go back and kill Sigmar pre-godhood if they wanted. Sigmar is also just a portion of the Chaos gods themselves.

All of this is canon.

>>85539036
>All of this is canon.
No it isn't

>>85539060
Dude, there is no point in arguing with these people. They are completely brainwashed into being pissed off at literally nothing. Just ignore em.

Fuck off Dan. It's bad enough you periodically fuck up the pdf share thread without starting your own.

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>>85539060
Read the books.

>>85539233
>Read the books
>posts forum post
Pottery

>>85539275
>book authors and warhammer devs say thing
>thats not canon
If I posted the books, you'd also say it's not canon and/or Chaos "lies".

We call that denial.

>>85539233
You've been doing this for over five years now. Have you ever been evaluated for autism?

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>>85539330
>all of this canon
>no it isn't
>yes it is
>prove it
>*proves it*
>you're autistic

>>85539330
If he's been doing it for over five years and you've been saying it's wrong for over five years, I think the autism's mutual.

>>85539310
You're just a fucking idiot mate. I have no stakes in your stupid argument with anon, but if the crutch of your point is 'it's in the books' then show the fucking quote. If it's 'well the author has said so outside of the books' then that is when the forum post applies. You can't blame anons for not taking you serious when you're arguing like a hungry mongoloid.

>>85539362
If not autism then which mental disability has had you raging about chaos in every thread you can even loosely tie to warhammer in for over five years now?

>>85539388
I dunno anon, why do you keep saying "nuh uh chaos doesn't win" when that's a proven lie?

>>85539233
The best part of this quote is where he says it doesn't matter and you can ignore it if you want

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>>85539385
I don't have all the books on demand, nor am I here to spoonfeed you. It's not hard to find the pages, Chaos winning isn't a secret.
>>85539388
I only post because you people have been whining about Carnac since 2013 and deliberately ignoring the lore while shitting on people who don't like it. Chaos was and always will be the favorite and always was destined to win. Deal with it or stop telling people who hate the chaoswank that it's "not canon" because it factually is.

>>85539415
True, but ignoring canon doesn't make it not-canon.

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>>85539275
When a leading developer of something says X is canon, I think that means X is canon no matter where he says it.

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40k got the better TTRPG though

>>85539484
Anon... think of your heart... breath in deep and relax. Say it with me: "It's just a silly story for our little toy soldiers".. breath... "It's just a silly story for our little toy soldiers" ... repeat.

>>85539660
I agree, so stop saying shit isn't canon when it is, or that it's dumb to not like Warhammer because of the excess Chaos-fapping because it's not canon when it factually is. I'd have no reason to argue this shit otherwise.

>>85539660
The writers don't seem to think it's just a silly story, considering they all act like edgelord cunts, like captain fedora over here >>85539233 with his unso ipsum dipsy bullshit.

>>85539497
Canon for your warhammer fantasy roleplaying game campaign is whatever happens at the table during your w arhammer fantasy roleplaying game. There aren't any rules in the books that say "lmao, chaos winzzors," so getting butthurt about the roleplaying game setting because "chaos always wins" is exactly the same as going "its pointless to do anything because in billions of years, the universe will end."

As far as warhammer goes, AS A RPG SETTING, the authors chaos wank doesn't matter. And there isn't any chaos wank in the RPG. Quoting fucking authors in forum posts makes you a fuckin' secondary in probably rtue worst way.

>>85539638
Buddy, I love the time I spent playing dh, but it is a cluttered peice of shit. WHF 4e is better. Fuck, 2e is a better game.

>>85539568
Incorrect

>>85540054
>"chaos always wins" is exactly the same as going "its pointless to do anything because in billions of years, the universe will end."
It isn't at all though. And it's not that Chaos wins at some distant point, it's that it wins imminently and can win any time, instantly, if it wanted. You only exist in Warhammer because Chaos lets you exist, and all the quests you do to "stop" Chaos only happen because Chaos lets you do them.
>As far as warhammer goes, AS A RPG SETTING, the authors chaos wank doesn't matter.
True, unless you choose to play strictly by the authors' canon.
>And there isn't any chaos wank in the RPG
There's plenty. Tome of Corruption 2e, 1e saying Chaos inevitably wins, 4e saying Chaos inevitably wins. Among others.
>Quoting fucking authors in forum posts makes you a fuckin' secondary in probably rtue worst way.
I agree it's autistic to keep this up but it gets fucking annoying dude. I played Warhammer FRP for a long time, back when "Carnac" was first around, and I also thought all the shit he said was made-up and not canon. Then I actually read the books and found out it was actually legit. I never liked Chaos and the authors' fascination with them, and making them the center of and winner of everything, annoyed me enough to get me to stop playing. There were other flaws too, like the other anons arguing about how Warhammer Fantasy is this gonzo batshit crazy world and not just a 15th century fantasy. However, when I said I didn't like Warhammer in discussions about it for those reasons, especially Chaos winning, I was told it was wrong and my opinion was dumb because it wasn't accurate, when it was.

It's just irritating to figure out how shitty a setting is to you because of its factual, objectively true canon, then express that it's shitty, and then have people tell you "no, you're wrong, that's not true you retard." It makes me think Carnac was never a shitposter, just somebody who came to the same conclusions.

>>85540112
tl;dr i called carnac a retard then found out he was right then told other people then got called a retard and i feel like you people only like warhammer because you desperately ignore what's canon and what the writers say, which is fine until you act like people who don't want to ignore it and who take issue with it are wrong about it

>>85540112
You're acting like chaos is somehow a thing that exists, seperate from the game master. You don't play games, you probably dont even read books. You're a fucking no games secondary.

>>85540133
I'm saying that canon is canon. I think headcanoning is the right option, but I hate Warhammer's base lore enough that I don't even want to.

>>85540054
>And there isn't any chaos wank in the RPG.
There's a 1st ed campaign where the ending literally tells you to have all the players instantly die because they tried to fight Chaos. Not exaggerating either.

>>85539233
That isn't what he said though. He said that the prevailing opinion among the BL authors, and probably the company itself, is that in the long term Chaos is the inevitable victor because of entropy. It nowhere says that the forces of Chaos can just do anything whenever. That isn't a power that any of them have ever manifested.

>>85539638
This is obviously the right opinion.
>Only game to get a 2nd edition
>Has the only memorable/renown 40k RPG campaign
>Inspiration for all that followed
>Still most active game
>Moggs other 4ok games to this day to the point they're forced to return to d100
How did they do it lads?

>>85540297
>That isn't a power that any of them have ever manifested.
Except when they:
>are said to have been able to destroy the galaxy during the rift, but chose not to
>could've had abaddon win any of his black crusades but chose not to
>had belakor repeatedly reset the warhammer fantasy world and all of its characters and gods
>can kill entire planets instantly, which khorne did to an imperium world
>are said to be capable of wiping out the warhammer fantasy world/40k galaxy if they ever decide to stop fighting each other

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>>85540339
To be fair, the Warhammer Fantasy option at the time was terrible so I can't blame 'em for going back to make Advanced WHFR

>>85540389
Also, Tzeentch has control over the "threads of multiple realities" and casually threw one of his CSMs through them, which disrupted or destroyed countless of said realities. Tzeentch and his demons also know everything that will ever happen, and in 40k it's said that Chaos has already won and a lot of their forces have been sent back in time because they were bored in the present day. In WHF, since it's the same setting as 40k, Chaos could also bring in space fleets, CSMs, etc. to wipe out the world without any opposition, but choose not to. Everything in Warhammer, all universes, is repeatedly and without exception described as Chaos's "great game."

>>85540414
Also, in the HH series it was said that the Chaos gods willingly gave the Emperor his power, and even then something like six bloodthirster demons, of which Khorne has infinite numbers, could still have gone and killed him, but the Chaos gods chose not to do so.

>>85539414
You said chaos is omnipotent and can summon space ships in whf and your screencap doesn't back that up at all

>>85534708
Zweihander has black people in it. It even had a black guy on the cover at one point and the Chaos Champion in the first supplement was a black lady.
That’s part of what made the creator a dick. He went round trying to sell the game as PC and non-PC to different people at the same time.

>>85539484
>chaos is inevitable
>but can be delayed
So they're not omnipotent

>>85540414
>. In WHF, since it's the same setting as 40k
Oh, I see the problem. You're retarded.

>>85540389
>are said to be capable of wiping out the warhammer fantasy world/40k galaxy if they ever decide to stop fighting each other
People say that about orks too, or about necrons all waking up, or tyranids all arriving, it doesn't mean any of those factions are omnipotent.

>>85540389
>>85540414
>>85540456
Most of this is 40k shit, and absolutely none if affects the roleplaying game. You're YouTube lore video consumption means dickall.

>>85538973
>Yahweh isn't omnipotent in the bible, that's why the prophets and their followers keep getting killed

>>85540837
This seeming contradiction has been the subject of thousands of years of debate

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>>85540720
>>85540763

>>85540732
Chaos can be delayed by its own infighting or if it chooses to not end the world out of boredom, yeah. WHF 8e says that the actions of humans, elves, etc. have no impact on chaos and don't slow it down or impede it at all. It only loses when the Chaos gods start infighting, which only happens when they grow bored of winning.

>>85540898
NTA but unlike real life where we don't know for a fact if God exists or why things are the way they are, in Warhammer we know explicitly from the people who made the setting that Chaos is omnipotent. I don't like it either, I think it's retarded, but it is what it is, and if somebody chooses to not engage with Warhammer for that reason, you shouldn't act like they're crazy or something. It's right there on paper as canon, whether you ignore it or not for your own games.

>>85540902
Rick Priestly has been gone from GW for decades and the shared universe has been retconned out

>>85540924
I'm acting like he's crazy because he has continued to engage with warhammer, even in threads not about warhammer, for in his estimation almost ten years now despite not liking it

>>85540926
40k connections were showing up as late as End Times when the Skaven received Eldar radio communications.

Still, even if you retcon that it doesn't change the many other instances of Chaos in both universes being shown to be unbeatable, all-powerful, and always in control of all events.

>>85540950
You should read less forum posts and watch less lore videos and play games, dude. It's a ton of fun!

>>85540973
The lore being retarded doesn't mean it isn't the lore (unfortunately).

>>85541002
Actually it does

>>85541010
Warhammer doesn't interest me enough to go through the effort of ignoring all the dumb lore though, which there's quite a lot of. The stuff about Chaos is woven pretty deep into pretty much everything, that and the grimdark.

>>85541084
And to be clear Chaos isn't the only problem in the lore either IMO.

>>85541084
>Warhammer doesn't interest me enough
Yet you keep posting about it

>>85541084
It does interest you enough to read through the lexicanum so you can cherry pick proof for your retarded arguments, though? Seriously dude, play some games, it's really fun.

Here you get, get your free copy because fuck that crab.

https://anon.to/a0sCcu

>>85541098
Good point.

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lol
lmao

>>85527925
Daniel Fox is cringe, just play 2e instead.

>>85527925
shithander, fuck this game, daniel fox has dogs shit in his mouth

Wow this looks like a funtastic game. I just downloaded a free copy from the internet and I've read it twice already.

>>85541854
I've given free copies to all my friends

Daniel go fuck yourself still

>>85541130
I don't even want a copy but I'm downloading it anyway. Fuck him

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>>85533977
>Orx
>WAAAR! Horde
>Boogans

>>85533372
Got proof of him buying his own book?

>>85543673
Shut up Daniel

>>85533156
has that fucker done anything besides this?

>>85543673
i've got proof of you sucking dicks at the truck stop daniel

>>85543673
Who else would buy his book?

>>85539233
If it's not in a published book then it's irrelevant.

>>85543703
>>85543971
>>85543989
So that's a "no" for any proof of shenanigans then?

>>85546352
More like nobody gives enough of a shit to give you or him a benefit of a doubt and considering his history why should anyone?

>>85539484
Spoiler, your IRL species is equally doomed given a long enough time frame, this final victory of Chaos is completely irrelevant in the context of stories and minatures battling. The fact that this bothers you is glaring proof of deep seated autism and maladjustment.

Commit piracy.

>>85546802
I did, bit annoying that fags here moan about zweihander but never offer pdf links.

>>85546422
I missed the part where we know that there's a bunch of evil space demons waiting to eat us when we die, who predate existence and control everything.

>>85548329
Not in fantasy.

>>85533372
A modern-day Samuel Colt.

>>85548706
Yes in fantasy. They're also the same setting.
>they retconned that
Liber Chaotica was 2004 and End Times was 2014, both said they were the same. AoS said they were same.

Even if you disagree Fantasy stuff still says that the demons control everything and are waiting to eat you.

>>85547418
Well the current piracy META is using Megas and stuff that get taken down when you share a link. Check the sharethread.

>>85549120
They aren't the same setting, and as far as the RPG goes, no it doesn't. Seriously, my guy, you should try actually playing games instead of being a cotton-headed secondary. It's fuckin' embarassing.

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>>85549332
Left is the creator of Warhammer saying they're the same setting, right is the ending to a WFRP 1e campaign.

Keep in mind these are two of many examples said by different people or included in different books.

>>85527925
>I never seen a thread about it, so I will make one.

Then you're either blind, completely new, or shill. It's well known that the creator, who is eight raging asshole tries to make threats all the time, it has been proven by IP addresses. Also, the actual system is utter dog shit, and the sending is unoriginal and boring.

>Is there any blogs with homebrews or adventures that use it that you guys would recommend

That would require a player base, to people willing to risk being sued by the creator.

You're better off using Warhammer fantasy roleplay second edition, which is what the zweihander rules are cribbing off of, but just made worse.

>>85549661
>my 30 year old sources totally matter!

Seriously dude. It's sad. Play games. Stop being a sadboy secondary

>>85550305
>That's not canon!
>Yes it is
>Yeah from 30 years ago!
>No it's recent
>Dude stop being a secondary!
Can you not just admit you're wrong?

>>85550358
>b-but b-but my lore videos and lexicanum and 30 year old modules for an out of date edition say otherwise!

It's sad, dude. Just stop. You're just embarassing yourself

>>85527925
Post PDF

>>85550635
Imagine being on a board of autistic Virginia neckbeards
>and being cringier then they are

>>85550704
I'm sorry you live in Virginia, anon.

>>85540145
Then stop posting in these threads, go outside, get married, have 2.5 kids, never look back. Being obsessed with what is or isn't canon should not occupy your mind this much. People being wrong on the internet is a weird thing to obsess over for this long.

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>>85538973
bro, its because Chaos gods think its funny. This is unironically stated. It's the "Great Game". When they grow bored, they do the endtimes.
Chaos loses sometimes for the same reason that video games have difficulty levels above easy, but at any point you can just turn the game off.

>>85551761
The obsession goes both ways. It's equally weird to go "nuh uh, that's canon", get proven wrong, and then the only response is "yeah well uh you're autistic bro!" Yeah, it's autistic to obsess over someone being wrong, but it's also autistic to challenge people when you're wrong and keep doing so even when proven wrong.

The unautistic thing would be to not give a shit if someone's wrong on one side, and on the other to just say you're wrong and move on.

>>85550635
>x isn't canon in y books
>*shows y books where x is canon*
>well those are oudated
>*shows newer y books where x is still canon*
>well you're autistic

>>85551874
Lol this is some cope

>>85551960
I didn't say you're autistic. I said it's sad that spend so much time cherry picking examples to prove something in an argument about a setting that you claim to not care about, and that your time would be better spent playing games.

>>85551960
The only "proof" that you've shown so far is from a 1e module, an ancient wfb rulebook, and a forum post.

>>85551874
This is pretty much exclusively 5th edition lore, outside of that that is not the case, they're alien gods given access to the world via the fall of the gates and genuinely are trying to drag the world into the realm of chaos.

>>85551988
It's actually what the writers said.

>>85551988
Its literally in the marketing for endtimes dude. Are you retarded?

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>>85552047
They're genuinely trying against each other. Other gods and mortals are just entertainment and only continue existing/fighting because either A. the chaos gods fight each other and leave or B. the chaos gods get bored and leave.
>inb4 2012 is ancient lore

>>85540054
> so getting butthurt about the roleplaying game setting because "chaos always wins" is exactly the same as going "its pointless to do anything because in billions of years, the universe will end."
Based and pretty good take. I hate people who say that and I hate people who cry about the fact that chaos is gonna eventually and now I know why, they are the same!

Just because something will end at some point doesn’t mean that the current times and the far future aren’t worth it, or that they lack meaning because they have an end. I’m still going to try to make the word a better place even if it will end eventually, because it has a lot of meaning in the time it isn’t ending which is right now and for literal millions of years

I'm in the process of rereading tales of the old world (which is one of the better short fiction collections out there imo) and it's funny (in relation to this autistic conversation) to me how varied the stories are in terms of antagonists. Vampires, Skaven, Lizard Men, crime lords, ulricans, and just plain old other people are the problem in a lot of the stories. You can play entire campaigns of whfrp where chaos doesn't even show up. You're arguing about shit at a fan wiki meta level, in a way that doesnt effect the game as an RPG setting.

>>85546387
How do I know he has any history? All I see is seething incels crying about him but literally no proof about anything. I’m a high IQ white man and I don’t just believe whatever I read on 4cuck

>>85552202
In real life you're presumably not a toy played with by interdimensional space demons who only is allowed to live because it feeds said space demons. We don't know the metaphysics of our real world, but we do know, in detail, Warhammer's. It's why the writers saying "Chaos can never lose, everyone is doomed to die and be consumed by it, it's all their game" isn't the same thing as "Hypothetically, a very long time from now the sun in the Milky Way will burn out, which will most likely kill or severely impact all life in the galaxy."

>>85552221
>as long as you ignore the largest part and author-describe "cornerstone of the setting", it's fine
I can also play D&D and ignore all the races but humans and also give them machine guns, tanks, and jet fighters.

>>85549661
I do like how these people argue with you.
>DUDE that’s not fucking true you have no proof you racist chud
>*gives proof*
>fuck off loser why do you care so much you’re obsessed dude play games, do better bigot, but you don’t have proof for X even if you proved Y
>*gives proof for X*
>wooooow obsessed much dude? Fucking loser posting about this If you don’t like it just ignore it dude, X didn’t happen but if it did it was a good thing and if it’s not a good thing just ignore it dude

>>85552234
It's less that, and more that you're incredibly fixated on a single facet of the setting that, as the many and varied stories that exist prove, you don't have to fixate on.

>>85552055
There's no point, it's complete denial. Instead of just saying they're following headcanon because the lore of warhammer's fucking retarded, they'll never stop trying to convince themselves that their image of warhammer's right and anything else, even what the books and writers say, is fake.

>>85552245
Dude, the only thing sadder than being a dunderhead secondary is being a dunderhead secondary who samefags.

>>85552253
I’m not him, and please never reply to me again in your cringey nu-soispeak reddit language.

>>85552252
It's pretty hilarious that you think that's the conversation you're having.

>>85552261
>oh no, he's on to me!
>I know! I'll call him reddit!

>>85552253
That's not me.
>>85552246
Those stories don't mean anything by the word of the authors themselves, because *everything* in Warhammer is framed as being caused by, used by, and observed by the chaos gods. The entire setting is explicitly said to be the chaos gods playing a game that they can turn off at any time they choose. The setting is mainly about war, and that war's rendered pointless when it's all literally just some space demons having a go, where nothing actually matters. Playing Warhammer's RPGs is like playing an NPC in a video game while the actual player(s) runs around doing shit. No matter what you do, the player's in control, and you only exist because he lets you. Further, the writers have said repeatedly that to them chaos is the most important part of the setting. Gav Thorpe, who was warhammer's "loremaster" (head designer) for years, said that chaos was the single most vital part of warhammer and the one the writers cared about the most.

Can you ignore it? Yes. Can you make the chaoswank less important? Yes. Does that change the actual canon or what the authors intended and said? No.

If someone says "fuck warhammer, the chaos lore's retarded", the proper response is "yeah, but you can always headcanon it away, or go play other shit". It isn't
>NO that's not canon it's not canon you're lying you're autistic it's not canon it's not!!!!!

>>85552284
Okay so the stories that agree with you prove your point, but the stories that disagree with your point are fake and gay. Got it, tight.

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I too used to play Warhammer, read about shitty Chaos lore, and thought it was fake and gay.

Then I read the books, and learned that it was real, and in fact it is Warhammer that is very, very gay.

>>85552293
>but the stories that disagree with your point
There aren't any, because Chaos always winning and being in control is a key part of the entire franchise's fluff.

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>>85543673
>>85546352
>>85552225
I'm not any of the anons you replied to, but it's easy to piece together without hard evidence that it's what happened. DriveThruRPG does not have particularly high traffic at any given time, considering that it's the venue of a very slow-moving market, and it takes months to years for products to be noticed on the platform and reach high seller marks. Highly regarded RPGs in the platform like Stars Without Number 2e and Knave took their sweet time to reach the higher echelons of the site.

However, the moment Zweihander was published, it reached the top 10 in a matter of a day or two. Zweihander, the game created by a literal who, using the exact same rules as a game that is not particularly mainstream, trumped its entire competition, which includes highly popular games with brand recognition of decades on their backs. You don't have to be a genius or have screenshots of Daniel's bank account to put two and two together and recognize that some degree of foul play was involved, especially if you consider that you can switch products between paid and PWYW in a click, and seller badges take into account raw volume, not capital accrued.

The dude is sus as fuck, is the point I'm trying to make.

>>85552374
Not this anon but to add to it, after Zweihander dropped it got a bunch of Ennie game award nominations and won every single one of them. This was around the time multiple game devs pulled their products from the Ennies and canceled partnerships over allegations that they were having rigged/paid-off votes and nominations. Take it for what you will, but considering the game was basically unheard of in stores and had no real online presence at all in terms of groups or games, it was weird that it snowballed as "the best RPG" of its year.

>>85552276
Take ur meds reddit boy

>>85527925
so uh, yall got any brew that lets you play a lizardman? or whatever stupid thing dan named them.

>>85534708
>black-as-coal noble families
Lol no it doesn't. Anyway the opening paragraph of 1st Ed has the characters in Altdorf meeting with a local Arabayan. 2nd Ed had tons of people from around the world chilling in the Empire, including a lizardman embassy. Women warriors were always a big part of every edition, especially the art. It's true that there was sexism in the older editions, but it was always portrayed as obviously evil, just like in 4th. I assure you no writer on any edition intended for Warhammer to be interpreted as some glorification of misogyny, nor was it ever meant to be 'historically accurate' or 'faithful to European demographics'. On the contrary, it's authors generally tended to dislike right wing ideologies, and parodied UK and European culture quite extensively. You can even ask them about it on Twitter! All that has happened is the game gave more freedom to people for making their characters, which is a good thing to anyone not a political busybody mind broken into looking for wrongspeak in media.

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>>85552924
Imagine typing all this for an obvious baitpost.

>>85552374
So then prove Zweihander got to the top 10 faster than any other game. Your argument hinges on that. Also, DriveThruRPG medal tallies count purchases as a whole, not number of orders within a purchase. So you'd have to be arguing that Fox sat there for days going through checkout over a 1000 times to get his book up to Platinum.

>>85549661
Sirs, this is not a warhammer fantasy or 40k or age of smegmar thread, please leave to one of the billion threads that cover those games.

>>85553663
>what is a macro
drink bleach dan

>>85553663
Fuck off Daniel.

worst rpg ever. why bother playing this ripoff when I can play Warhammer rpg? and from reviews I got impression that guy behind this dumpster fire is ball sucking asshole. I'd hope this shit gets forgotten as piece of soiled toilet paper it is.

>>85543989
I have considered buying it, but:
>check reviews online - everyone claims it's WFRP 2e with the serials filed off
>pirate the pdf to check, turns out it really is
>pass on it, because I already own a copy of WFRP 2e
Some time later I've learned about the human-shaped shitstain that is Daniel Fox, and I felt great for not buying.

>>85533372
He created The Trove Twitter account to drive traffic to the site to get it noticed and taken down.

>>85533372
The Ponyfinder guy does this too. He charges 25¢ for his free Kickstarter stuff so it counts as a sale.

>>85534708
Fuck off, Arch.

>>85553511
Kill yourself, Arch.

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>>85527925
>Let them fight

>>85548329
None of your toy soldiers know that, so what difference does it make? That's like complaining about WW2 wargames because you know what side wins. Oh well, sorry everyone, throw away your Panzer Blitz , Advanced Squad Leader. Historical minis guys, just trash that shit, what's the point, you know the South loses at Gettysurg.

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>>85552924
Pretty much this, Arch's video was a negative IQ take.

FFS watching Rightoids fellate themselves over how much they love Warhammer will never not be funny to me. Sure, modern Warhams is Corporate gray sludge, but the OG is steeped in 80's British Counterculture. Which was staunchly anti-Rightoid.

Look at the Rogue Trader era Emperor. There wasn't a Horus Heresy in Rogue Trader. Emps was just this guy who had ruled the Imperium for so long that he was a barely conscious, rotting corpse kept just barely alive by the infinite war machine he set in motion.

I'm pretty sure Rogue Trader Emps is meant to be a parody of Ronald Reagan.

>>85533379
>complains about 'infected with diversity'
>calls others secondary
Like clockwork.
As someone who's ran every single edition of WFRP, WFRP4e is unironically better that 2e in every single way except for one. I dislike the fact they focused on making all careers four ranks instead of having you bounce between different careers as you progressed.

>>85527925
Don't play Zweihander, it's funny that unironically the two other games attached to the ruleset, Flames of Freedom and Blackbirds, are actually fun while Zweihander is pretty much just what happens if you take someone who only knows Warhammer Fantasy from third hand knowledge and then cranks the mudcore up to 11.
I've been running FoF since release as effectively Assassin's Creed 3 meets Call of Cthulhu and Deadlands and my group has been having a blast.

>>85540339
>the only memorable/renown 40k RPG campaign
While I still love the Haarlock Saga to this day Warpstorm Trilogy and Lure of the Expanse for RT is unironically a lot of fun to go through.

>>85557041
How is it?

>>85540408
>He hated 3e
I've time I've met people who hate WFRP3e they're 9 times out of 10 the same people who hated D&D 4e but couldn't tell you why besides 'it's like wow' and you know they didn't read the book.
Had 3e come out with just the rulebook and not the collector's edition with all the helpful play aids first it would have been heralded as an amazing edition. With all the play aids people thought it was now a board game when in fact those were just to make running the game easier.
This combined with the fact it wasn't really backwards compatible with 2e like 2e was with 1e and that's why it failed.
I almost wish it had a second resurgence like D&D4e has had in the last couple years.

>>85543604
Honestly, while we can all meme on the -x at the end orx makes a lot of sense linguistically as a replacement for orkz

>>85535481
Ok, the Nuln engineering college just invented 90s JDM custom cars, since there are both nippon and steam engines in the lore. Your next campaign is F&F.

>>85557116
>Arch's video was a negative IQ take
You expected something different? Arch has not once made a good point when thinking for himself all his 'good' ideas are taken from forum posts he's parroting or just reading wikis. People complain about NPC-brain when Arch is literally the premiere example of it.

>>85557356
It's more about his bald faced plagiarism.

>>85540339
The later books and game lines leaned a bit too much into codex pasta for content, but the early books - especially the Black Industries ones - are so full of soul it's unbelievable.

>>85557220
>As someone who's ran every single edition of WFRP, WFRP4e is unironically better that 2e in every single way except for one. I dislike the fact they focused on making all careers four ranks instead of having you bounce between different careers as you progressed.

Honest question, probably to be drowned out in the shitpile that is this thread, but why? The old system seems far more limiting to me, what are it's strengths?

>>85557041
Last version before the dice type change.

>>85557116
>cookie cutter centrist is a rightoid
ok, comrad mao

>>85557811
>bro look at this art of fat ugly chaos demons they control the universe cool huh
>soul

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>>85559621
Spotted the homosexual heretic.

>>85559990
That's one of the most autistic images I've ever seen.

>>85553841
>>85554146
So you can't prove that Fox manipulated the buying system on DriveThruRPG, and you can't even prove that Zweihander reached the top of the medal ranking in a suspiciously short amount of time.

Fuck off Daniel

>>85558840
Don't stop them, the more normal and sane opinions get lambasted as fascist the easier it is for me to scoop zoomiers into my web of internet-racism.

It's like those Mexicans who've been living in Texas since Guadalupe-Hidalgo. They didn't jump the border, the border jumped them. When the Normie is told that not being a complete retard makes you a fascist, maybe 2/5th will go "oh I'd better be retarded now" and the other 3/5ths will quietly nod, and start looking up the price of jackboots on the internet.

Which is very reasonable btw. You can get a NICE pair that will last you ten years for a smidge under 150 euros.

>>85560968
Fuck off Daniel. Nobody gives a shit about your game.

>>85557341
WHFRP 3e suffers from most of the same issues as D&D 4e. Both of them play much more like board games than RPGs. There are lots of fiddly bits and game-y elements that are hard to translate into the fiction. "What does this ability/spell look like to the characters" is hard to answer.

Some of the special abilities only exist because the devs locked off fairly logical things that most characters should be able to do behind Talents/Feats.

The next system my group is thinking about learning) running is Zwiehander or Burning Wheel. Which is the least shit, or should I just get them to try D&D 2e? (We already played 1e. And none of us are Warhammer fags).

Post the pdf

>>85565927
found it on z-lib

>>85557640
GW is not innocent desu

>>85533977
It never ceases to amaze me that he can stand there and poker face say he never took anything from Warhammer.

It's like a fucking deviant art "content creator" taking someone's work and putting a blue filter over it and going "My OC".

>>85563218

Hey! Hey!

It could be a "low hanging fruit" kind of troll who knows creating a "wow! I just heard about this Zweihander! What do you guys think of it?" thread on these boards is zero effort response bait.

Then again, Daniel's into zero effort work. I mean, he had somebody else knock up his wife so he could see how it's done.

>>85565880

Zweihander is a houseruled version of WFRP2ed that became obsolete with WFRP 4ed. Even if you can get Zweihander cheap, there's a better option out there.

I picked up Burning Empires, but it's roughly kinda' sorta' similar to Burning Wheel. It's one of those weird games that does everything so out of the norm, that you'll either love it or find it a huge effort to even understand. And even if you love it, you'll have to still sell it to the rest of your group, and at least one of them will not feel the same way you do.

D&D2ed? You mean AD&D? Late-era AD&D? Early-era AD&D? BECMI D&D? Holmes D&D? 4ed? Point being, there's so many different official versions of D&D out there, that even if you tried one version there's others you haven't. And if you really sit down and pay attention, you'll notice each favors very different styles of story. Sure you could run Curse of Strahd using BECMI or In Search of the Unknown using 3ed, but I wouldn't want to.

Just pirated one million copies, hope Daniel is doing alright ;)

>>85566371
I legitimately did pirate gayhander just to spite Daniel.

>>85533372
>>85527925
I've read this RPG system before. Pirated one of the countless copies of the book floating around, and I don't get the drama. Why copy WWF2nd Edition? It's not even that good of a system. And, why promote a single product so heavily? Why not move on and make new stuff? I mean the rules aren't particular good. Like for example when you shape shift if you're hit then you instantly change back... Making the entire exercise pointless as a mechanic.

>>85533624
>literally has Fantasy Africa (Araby) Fantasy China (Cathay), Fantasy Japan (Nihongo).
None of which are ever covered outside of the First Edition of the product where they're just the real world places in question with no additional material aside from that. Aside from classically racist depictions of all said non White peoples. Which is good. 4th is ghey.

>>85562630
>Don't stop them, the more normal and sane opinions get lambasted as fascist the easier it is for me to scoop zoomiers into my web of internet-racism.
>:/ but racism is already spreading at a nice and organic pace!

>>85527925
I would recommend not buying anything you can't read first.
>There's only one reason someone would be as adamant about fucking over filesharers as the retard who made this game is; the product is shit and wants people to commit 40 bucks plus to find that out.

>>85566101
Robbing a thief doesn't make the robber innocent.

>>85566363
>Zweihander is a houseruled version of WFRP2ed that became obsolete with WFRP 4ed. Even if you can get Zweihander cheap, there's a better option out there.

Pretty much this. Zweihander was only popular as it was because GW had jettisoned the entire Old World. It's an artefact of that period when GW had their collective heads planted even deeper up their asses than usual and were determined to ram Age of Smegmar down everyone's throats. Once they wised up to the fact that nobody actually likes Smegmar and started releasing new Old World Products like WHFRP 4e, it became obsolete.

>>85533977
Ironically, this is one of the few positive things I can say about Zweihander. It restores a lot of the darkness and hard edge that Old-School Warhammer had and which modern Family Friendly GW would never be willing to do.

>>85533977
>boogans are barely sentient bootlickers
lmao crikey, I bet bruce can't wait to take him for smoko and a gobby after this fine tribute

>>85550672
right here my dude
>>85541130

>>85527976
He took credit for the Trove thing, but I recall there being cause for skepticism at the time.

>>85527925
only RPG book I regret buying. Never played Warhammer Fantasy, thought a generic system would be easier to adapt to my homebrew setting. It sucked ass. Then I found out the author sucks ass too.

>>85557341
>I almost wish it had a second resurgence like D&D4e has had in the last couple years.
İt is. Kind of. There is a pretty high production from what we've seen so far port to Genesys happening right now.