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>>85804514
Ok

Just wait until polearmdditors shit up this thread

for me it's the big stick

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Seething spearfags inbound.

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Behold the shortsword, the most iconic and heroic weapon in all of existence

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Behold, the most deadly weapon in history!

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>>85804629
An even deadlier weapon, however, can be made with some minor modifications.

>>85804514
>>85804629
My pp
>>85804593
>>85804646
Ur pp

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>>85804514
*curves your longsword*

for me it's the halberd

>>85804671
:( anon can you uncurve it please?

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It's the greatsword for me

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>>85804514
Fair, fair.
Would also contend much with the Katana, but you can't really get more iconic or heroic then either of those weapons.

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>>85804671
*unlongs your curved longsword*

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>>85804514
Yeah, swords are cool. I like swords of most shapes and sizes.

>>85804711
still too long
make it shorter please

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>>85804708
Katana are nice too.
Though the one pictured may be a daikatana or oodachi... I'm not great with identifying the differences.

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>>85804706
It's the greatshiv for me.

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>>85804704
Curve even more you say?

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>>85804729
Say no more

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>>85804706
Greatswords are pretty rad. They're my favorite.

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>>85804514
Yet no one uses it and hasn't used it in centuries.
Now this, this is the most iconic weapon in history.

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>>85804985

Even modern technology can be improved upon, with the right mindset.

>>85804514
Game related how?

>>85805134
If it has to be explained you're way too autistic to bother with

>>85805152
>post sword
>no description of a problem op is having in a game/ mechanic

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>>85804708
Don't forget about the humble tanto.

>>85805134
Complaining about threads you don't like isn't constructive. The only posters who would be remotely influenced by such things are, unsurprisingly, the ones who would listen... who are also more likely to leave because they feel unwanted or they're pussies or whatever. You'd only result in a higher concentration of the people who don't give a shit and who would be more likely make such threads, purely because they know it pisses somebody off.
Point being: policing "in good faith" is pointless or potentially self destructive, depending on what brand of 4chan user you think you're talking to. Policing in bad faith is shitposting, plain and simple.

Either way: stfu, fag.

>>85805230
Tant-ohno

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>>85804514
For me, it's pic related. Doesn't rust when it's wet, easy to take care of, and most importantly, it's light.

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>>85805336
Consider this, though. It's even less likely to react when wet, even easier to take care of, and even LIGHTER than what you posted.

>>85805365
With the centre of gravity so close to where you hold it, your control is unparalleled. Genius.

>>85805134
It's almost as if longswords are a staple in many fantasy games or something

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>>85804734
You'd probably call it an Okatana or Uchigatana, because the handgrip is still somewhere in and around 30% the length of the blade itself, while in Odachi/Nodachi the handgrip is more like 50%+ the length of the blade itself.
While an Okatana is like a longsword compared to the Katana's arming sword, an Odachi is getting into that weird polesword kind of territory but where a true polesword is more polearm than sword, it's on the other end of the spectrum where it's still more sword than polearm.

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>>85805666
>while in Odachi/Nodachi the handgrip is more like 50%+ the length of the blade itself.
That's Nagamaki (長巻). Odachi/Nodachi has the same grip length as other normal sword

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nothing personnel

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>>85804514
Bam! A better weapon

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>>85805694

And here's what they might look like if they had been made by skilled craftsmen who know how to make truly potent weapons.

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>>85804514
A true hero holds the hands of those in need.

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>>85804629
Actually no, the deadliest weapon is the rock. Cain had one and he wiped out a quarter of humanity with it.

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>>85805793
Yeah, but if someone gets in close, that rock's long range will be a liability. You need a shorter rock to deal with people getting inside your guard, like this.

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I fight with my cards!

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>>85805757
You have invented the spear, incredible.

>>85805314
>>85805562
I believe anon means something like:
>I'm running a fighter soon for AD&D 2e and can't decide between a long sword or bastard sword.
>is it worth juggling the two stats for the hand and a half, or stick with the one Stat on the long sword?

Or something along the lines of that. With that being said,
>>85805743
Pun for the win

>>85804514
I don't know about that. I'd say there are plenty more iconic weapons like the kilij or scimitar or even - that's right - a katana, and I associate greatswords or broadswords with heroes more than I do that dinky piece of shit. Big dumb hero with a big dumb sword will never not be the best trope.

>>85805037
I mean isn't that just an AKS-74u made with AK-47 in photoshop?

>>85805743
Best post in the thread

>>85805813
Bravo.

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>>85806322
You're right, I didn't do my due diligence in optimizing this weapon. Here, an improved version.

>>85806455
That just looks like some sort of 40k weapon.

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>>85806455
Now let me try...

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>>85806529
I did my best to make it better but...

I can't optimize the weapon any further than this... I'm sorry. The saddest part of chasing perfection is when you reach it, and here it is.

>>85805773
If your hand is wrapped around a weapon, it can't hold another person's hand

>>85806701
Jesus Christ, you can't just mention h*ndholding like that on a blue board.

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>>85804704
Shit i fucked up.

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>>85806658
already been done.

>>85806844
This’ll work

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>>85806844
could be worse

>>85804514
I've always found it intensely interesting that most fantasy TTRPGs don't actually have a longsword. They have an arming sword misnamed as a longsword, and they have a greatsword.

What should the stats for a longsword generally be? Keep in mind that this would mean a straight-edged sword that is highly impractical to use in one hand, but that is also not as heavy as a greatsword. How do you make that mid-point between the defensive option of arming sword + shield and stonking greatsword an attractive gameplay option?

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>>85806876
I didn't want to do this, you know? There are steps that, once you take them, you at last realize that you've gone too far.

You've made me take that step today.

>>85804514
But for some reason, people keep mistaking arming swords for it and/or wielding it one handed.

>>85807092
>>85807559
A long sword can be used one handed it just isn't optimal

>>85807514
The zip 22 is magfed and semiautomatic. Looking at what you made the only way it could function is as a single shot you have to disassemble, insert the cartridge, and then reassemble.
Otherwise it's a preloaded disposable gun that shoots one shot.
There isn't enough room in there for a recoil-based self-loading mechanism if you plan to continue firing 7.62x39

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>>85807514
>>85807753
What you really want if you're looking for the smallest lethal gun is one of two things, either a North American Arms belt-buckle revolver with the clip/handle removed, or a single shot derringer of some type

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>>85807753
>>85807814
You think I won't go further? I've got nothing to lose now.

Behold. Behold and despair upon the weapon of the new era.

>>85805037
Sad blyat noises

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>>85807902
already been done

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>>85807814
>not a humble .25acp
Do you even anon... Besides, a derringer or NAA are still single-action and slow as hell.

>>85804629
Looks kino

>>85805743
TOO LONG!

Someone, please can we get something better?

>>85807979
I said "smallest lethal gun"
.25acp is for scaring the darks, not harming them.

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>>85807814
somebody in Texas makes credit-card sized foldable one-shot pistol

>>85808000
true, lifecards exist, but if you truly want to mog weaponlet anon you gotta go smaller than him AND give the weapon more function.

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>>85808082
this might do the trick

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>>85808115
>>85808082
>>85808000
>>85807992
>>85807979
>>85807974

You want a goddamn zipgun? Fine, here's your goddamn zipgun.

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>>85805743
>>85807988

The pen may be mightier than the sword, but the TACTICAL pen is mightier than the tactical nuclear warhead.

>>85808206
Rounds don't go anywhere when they don't have at least a tiny bit of barrel. They just kind of pop like a firecracker. They need pressure to shoot off with any force, and the barrel provides that. Haven't you ever hit .22lr with a hammer as a kid?

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>>85808238
Everyone's a critic. Can we go get seriously injured now using these hilariously unsafe pieces of shit, or would you like me to add a sight as well.

>>85804514
>longsword
>doesn't even reach 1 AU or this file is too large to save error

>>85808308
That barrel doesn't do anything. You've basically just put a ring around the case. How is that supposed to cause the bullet to experience any pressure?

>>85808308
A barrel has to go around the bullet, not the cartridge.

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I heard you needed weapons of mass destruction, here.

>>85808373
What, like barrel flying around the bullet like an arrow and the Archer's paradox?
That is an interesting weapon, to say the least.

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>>85804514
>swordfags

>>85808500
>t. guy with 30 swords in his pocket

>>85805694
I'd use #3 as a kitchen knife.

>>85808457
I don't think you understand how guns work.

>>85807992
Be a good enough shot and it is still perfectly lethal anon.

Why are xiphos style blade shapes weren't as prevalent?
Not all that efficient, or just due to being more expensive to make in comparison to casting like in bronze age?

>>85808536
Please, it's an excellent idea.
When you shoot people with guns they expect to be hit by bullet, but naturally they don't expect to be hit by barrel.
If one were to make a weapon that shoots a barrel in a non-linear fashion, it can be useful in some situations.

>>85807574
It's extremely suboptimal. They're designed almost entirely to be used in two hands, whereas the TTRPG longsword is the go-to sword & board weapon.

>>85808568
At that point it's just an explosion blowing a piece of metal into smaller pieces. You've designed a CQC melee grenade.

>>85808721
So a bigger Glock basically?

>>85808728
Glocks go off in the holster constantly, they rarely blow up, a Glock's danger as a Glocknade is severely overstated and it's reputation is unearned.

>>85808769
>Glocknade is severely overstated
Wasn't it just one specific type of glock fed with one specific type of ammo?

>>85808717
>It's extremely suboptimal
Maybe if you're a tiny weak baby. It's slightly unwieldy, but only weighs a few pounds. The difference between an arming sword and a long sword isn't as great as you assume. A 40 inch blade with a 2 handed grip is a long sword by every definition, and yet you could absolutely wield it effectively with one hand. The reason that we typically associate anything but rapiers and small blades with two handed combat is, by the time that larger swords could actually be produced in quantities larger than a handful, we could also produce armor which made shields irrelevant, and swinging with 2 hands is more effective than swinging with one. Not that shields went away of course, they were just used by troops not intended to stick around in a melee brawl, like spear formations.

Were greatswords ever used with only one hand?

>>85808869
There is no standard definition, but if there were, it would probably be "a sword two large to be effectively used with 1 hand". Which isn't to say it was never used that way, I'm sure some retard tried to swing a zweihander at a stump with one arm, but it's not going to work very well. Besides, the point of the greatsword is to hit someone as hard as you possibly can, and for that, you need both hands.

>>85807992
Seven quick bullets of .25 acp beats five slow fired .22 in my opinion, but what do I know. At least .25acp is supposed to be shot from a short gun, .22lr and .22mag not exactly.

In my hometown, there's a very famous assassination that took place during the war, german officer shot in both lungs by two .25acp guns wielded akimbo and fired at the same time. Two shots, pretty much instant death. Seems good enough for me.

>>85808895
Greatswords, at least those that actually saw combat, weren't even very sharp. They were used more as club than a blade.

>>85808908
*desperately kills you by savagely beating you to death with a rock*
Seems good enough for me.

>>85804985
>Yet no one uses it and hasn't used it in centuries.
Everyone look at this historylet and laugh at him.

>>85804708
Isnt a katana just a japanese longsword?

>>85805793
Cain and Abel had wives from the nearby villages. Literal Word of God confirms there were humans outside of Eden before Adam and Eve.

>>85807092
Make grappling relevant

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Me like big chop, but swords are pretty cool too

>>85809061
Are you implying it's not?

>>85809040
>Cain and Abel had wives from the nearby villages.
yes
>Literal Word of God confirms there were humans outside of Eden before Adam and Eve.
no, not before Adam and Eve, the other people were made in the meantime between first sin and the first murder

>>85808869
There are techniques where you use the greatsword with one hand only, mainly when you need just a little bit more reach for a quick strike, but they're a thing you do fast before going back to a two handed stance, not a standard way of fighting. Using a greatsword onehanded as a regular thing is completely defeating the point of using a twohanded weapon to begin with, even if you can do it.

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>>85808717
Longswords run from "almost a pure twohander" all the way to "regular old single hander with a touch longer grip". That they're all the same, stuck to any one point along that scale is just nonsense.

>>85808840
>by the time that larger swords could actually be produced in quantities larger than a handful
I'm somewhat sceptical about the idea that longer swords showing up was a matter of being able to make them, regardless of whether we're talking longswords or rapiers. While we see improvements in the average quality of things in the late middle ages there aren't really any specific "this enabled it" inventions there, and we see what's basically longswords (slender ones at that) all the way back in the Han dynasty in China. Now they seem to have been pretty good at metallurgy for their time, but their time was very far back compared to the European longsword. As for two handed use specifically, well, you can also put a longer grip on a not quite so long blade if you think that'll be beneficial.

>>85808869
The greatsword kinda comes in two periods. Early on (high middle ages) we have the "greats word of war", which started out as your standard arming sword of the day with a somewhat elongated grip in case you had nothing better to do with your left hand. Still, shield and reins were largely expected. These then quickly also saw less single-hand-friendly version show up, but they weren't all that large in this period. (If this soudns very familiar when we're talking about longswords... yes, it does seem to be much the same idea just in a slightly earlier time and so with slightly different single handers around to "convert". I suspect plenty of both were meant as single handed cavalry swords or two handed infantry swords depending on how enhorsed you were at the moment.)
More towards the renaissance we instead start seeing the greatsword as basically synonymous with two handed sword.

>>85808840
>It's slightly unwieldy, but only weighs a few pounds.
It's not really about the weight, it's about the distribution of that weight. It's just very awkward even if you're fit.

>>85809129
Depends on the sword. A sword with a long grip and a 40 inch blade is clearly a "long sword", yet can be wielded in 1 hand without issue. Once you push out to 4 feet, sure, then you have problems. But that's using a definition that simply was not used either then or now.

>>85808769
>Glocks go off in the holster constantly
Noguns detected

>>85807092
When in need of weapon autism, turn to the Riddle of Steel.
Arming swords are TN 6/7/6 for cuts/thrusts/parries, st+1 cut damage, st thrust damage,and work with sword&board or cut&thrust proficiencies.
Greatswords are 6/8/7, str+3 on the cut, str on the thrust, work with greatsword/longsword proficiency.
Longswords are 6/7/6 2 handed, 7/8/7 1 handed, str+1 on the cut, str on the thrust, +1 damage if 2 handed, great/longsword prof.
Thrust optimized longswords (bastard swords) are 6/6/6 2 handed, 7/7/7 1 handed, str on the cut, str+1 on the thrust, +1 damage if 2 handed, great/longsword prof.

>>85808223
Truly unequaled

>kino
longsword
zweihander
flamberge
estoc
flanged mace
war hammer
poleaxe
bec de corbin
lucerne hammer
bardiche
longbow
crossbow

spears and halberds only look cool in formations, and short swords are for fags and lowly ruffians

>>85805749
>>85805773
These hands look a little unwieldy to me. Surely someone has a better design.

>>85809550
How about e pee?

>>85809550
>flamberge
Was just a style of blade. You could have a flamberge greatsword or a flamberge longsword or whatever.

>>85809107
>specific "this enabled it" inventions there, and we see what's basically longswords (slender ones at that) all the way back in the Han dynasty in China.
I think getting blade up to almost 1m is just basically the point where a culture got to know about high carbon steel vs low carbon steel. For example you had Gladius done with primitive steel, but after some time fight high carbon steel types became known and Rome was able to make and equip people with Spathas. After that the process could have diminishing returns. Sure people knew about needing specific steel with high carbon, and how to generally do that, but didn't know how to get the carbon admixture even higher and do that economically. So there was some limit to blade length where things would start becoming too brittle and people would not or rarely have steel good enough to go past that.

>>85809550
>short swords are for fags and lowly ruffians
Are we talking all manner of one handed swords or specifically the shorter end?

>>85811506
Anon probably is confusing short swords with daggers.

>>85804514
Wrong, buddy boy
The humble arming sword is far more prevalent than your poncy richfag toy

>>85808547
because there's not really any need to make a blade like that if you're not bronze age or just left the bronze age, and as armor got better having a big fat chopper isn't as useful as having something pokey that can still cut

>>85813091
also if you want a sword specifically for choppan then you make it single edged because it's easier to make and has some mechanical advantages for cutty slashy

>>85804706
What's so great about it?

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>>85804593
>>85804646
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>>85807902

>>85806529
my god, he invented a bolter. that vile son of a bitch.

>>85808515
not just 30 swords, 30 mega powerful artifact swords. yap yap yap.

>>85813142
It's the only sword that was used as a sidearm

>>85814431
*Wasn't

>>85814440
You know you can delete your own posts right?

>>85814722
Yeah, I kinda don't care nerd

>>85814431
What's wrong with sidearms exactly?

>>85814919
you cared enough to respond like a fag

>>85814994
there's a weirdly large number of people who think that something being a sidearm means it's somehow useless, even though lugging around a useless thing all the time would be monumentally retarded and thus the fact that basically everyone that could in every culture that had them carried a sword should prove they're pretty good at what they do

>>85804706
Looks unrealistic

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>>85811430
>For example you had Gladius done with primitive steel, but after some time fight high carbon steel types became known and Rome was able to make and equip people with Spathas.
If the secret to high carbon steel was known back in spatha times then it can't be what made longswords spear when they did...
Though grabbing my copy of "The Sword and the Crucible" we note at leats one gladius made by wrapping high(ish) carbon steel around a low carbon core, so they knew about it back in the gladius days too. (Though the main point to take away from that book is likely that we just don't know a terrible lot about how Roman swords were made.)

>but didn't know how to get the carbon admixture even higher and do that economically
Do you have any source telling us that the highest carbon content seen in European sword blades increased, along with the amount of steel use,d right around the time that the spatha showed up/took over, perhaps also mentioning whatever specific carburisation technique it was that made this happen? Or have you simply assumed that such was the case in order to fit your idea of technologically driven size changes with the spatha showing up?
(Though, sure, push things back far enough and eventually, somewhere, we'll likely find a point of people not knowing how to make functional blades longer than they currently do. Where that is though remains to be shown.)

>>85815590
>This real type of weapon looks unrealistic

Explain yourself

>>85815421
I can imagine it now: 2,000 or whatever years in the future, the neckbeards of tomorrow arguing that pistols were basically useless and never used because they were relatively short-ranged sidearms in a world where shit like sniper rifles existed.

>>85815975
There are many ways an artisan got some better steel in his hands, but the vast majority of gladii we've found were made of bloomery steel.
Really shit metal, but will kill anyway, good enough for a short sword.

>>85816160
And they'll recreate dual carabine-and-pistol weapon arts, using the pistol mostly to shoot incoming bullets to deflect them.

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>>85816252
>but the vast majority of gladii we've found were made of bloomery steel.
So were the spatha.

>Really shit metal
When properly processed it makes for swords as good as any made through the period when swords were used. Unprocessed no iron or steel made back in the day makes for an acceptable sword, the stuff that isn't from a bloom generally can't even be forged at all without processing first. So it seems we're either comparing unprocessed bloomery metal to processed pig iron her,e or old steel to current day steel, either which seems like a fair or useful comparison.

>>85814994
If you had to switch to your sidearm in the battlefield you were basically fucked

>>85811234
The wiggles make it extra heroic.

>>85817340
your survival chances were better than if you didn't have a sidearm

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>>85817359
keep the sermon for Sunday
oh, wait...

>>85804514
what the hell was the longsword even for, anyways? isn't it functionally useless?

>>85817637
i think its mostly for killing unarmored civilians.

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>>85817643
Some were made for civilian self defence and duels. Others were made with very stiff, narrow blades and sturdy thrusting points, ideal for half-swording against plate armour.

>>85817637
Can be used on horseback in one hand, can be used on foot with both hands or with a shield. Bretty good.

>>85817757
>half-swording
when is this fucking meme going to die?
half swording is a retard stance invented by inbred nobles role playing as men at arms.

If i see someone halfswording I'm going to laugh, drop my sword, and fucking shoot them.

>>85817822
>Can be used on horseback in one hand
not long enough
>on foot with both hands
not enough heft, doesn't do enough blunt trauma and won't penetrate chain
>with a shield
same problem only now your using it one handed

>>85817637
It's functionally AWESOME

>>85817637
Easy to carry, versatile, good balance of reach to maneuverability, the entire blade is dangerous so doesn't have the problem of polearms that if someone gets past your tip with a shorter range weapon you're fucking done for, not the best weapon against armor but still sufficient if you don't fuck up, shows off both your wealth and your skill since swords require more training than other weapons to do well with.

tl;dr: It's the middle of the road option while also showing off.

>>85818274
t. Weak baby arms

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Bros.
Big fuck off two handers or sword and board.
I've been struggling lately on what I find coolest between the selfless protector aesthetic of the shield and the grug satisfaction of just hitting a mf really hard.

>>85818484
Fuck off, its for killing unarmed, unarmored civilians. Thats literally all its good for. If your opponnet was armed you'd do better with a rapier, and if they are armored you'd want a claymore, bastard sword, or broad sword, your flimsy long sword isn't going to do shit.

Figures that it is a weapon associated with royalty and nobility, nobs are truly scum.

>>85818520
t. manlet on a horse

>>85818526
The answer is always grug, because grug is also the selfless protector who shields his friends with his own body if needed while also giving his enemies the unga bunga experience

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>>85818484
>>85804514
It was never more than a sidearm.
The weapon for serious fighting was always the spear.

>>85818628
>It was never more than a sidearm.
Nobody said it wasn't.

>>85817637
it was for rich people to cut each other up with for fun

>>85818623
That is a compelling argument.

>>85818544
>If your opponnet was armed you'd do better with a rapier
Rapiers are pretty shitty for fighting outside of duels and lack the versatility of other swords.
>claymore, bastard sword, or broad sword
Bastard swords are longswords, and broad swords are one grade lighter. Claymores are closer to greatswords and polearms, and thus had a completely different purpose.

The real weapons for fighting unarmored combatants would be sabers, which are light, fast, good at cutting, and generally curve just to make it easier to cut people from horseback.

>>85808869
Yes. Great swords of war, the earlier forms of two handed weapons, were used by kniggas already in the 12th and 13th century. It was left on the horse, as the knight carried an arming sword on himself. One handed use was when riding the horse, taking advantage of the added reach and power. For reference, oakeshot types XIIa and XIIIa

Is it worth owning a katana? Not for self defense, just for fun. Shooting at the range is loud and expensive but slicing through some gallon jugs can be done safely at home or in the yard and is free. Seems like a good deal.

>>85818817
Guns can be pretty cheap. Carbines are a relatively inexpensive hobby. But if you don't want to worry about cleaning, have you considered archery?

>>85818773
>Bastard swords are longswords, and broad swords are one grade lighter.
bro, its okay if you don't know what a longsword is, you don't have to fake it.

>>85818644
they would probably just end up in a sissy slap fight anyway.

>>85818847
>The longsword has many names in the English language, which, aside from variant spellings, include terms such as "bastard sword" and "hand-and-a-half sword." Of these, "bastard sword" is the oldest, its use being contemporaneous with the weapon's heyday.

>>85818847
The irony in this post is palpable.
A long sword is just a long, sword, you fucking idiot.

>>85818880
congratulations, you've cited a source more ignorant than you.

>>85818890
But somehow still more knowledgeable than you

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This thread has me in tears.
Thanks for making me laugh.

>>85818890
Bruh, longsword and bastard sword are the same thing.

>>85818544

Rapiers didn't exist during the majority of the knights existence. And once they did they were mostly civilian weapons. For duelists and thieves, rapier fencers had a reputation as trouble makers and that included the nobles.

If the other guy was armored I would much prefer a war hammer

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>>85818274
>not long enough
It's almost too long. Most weapon used by horsemen other than lances were pretty short. Arming swords, maces, warhammers, axes, sabers, all weapons popular by horsemen in Europe and Asia, are shorter than longswords.
>not enough heft
Lift more, bro
>same problem only now your using it one handed
Do you even close the line?

>>85805813
the natural conclusion to this sequence is to bring it to microscopic grains of granite for concealed carry, to wit: pocket sand

>>85818257
When it was implied that you can use a gun at a sword fight you cheating faggot?

>>85817637
It is. No one every actually bothered with swords in combat, they were more of a status symbol due to being expensive.

>>85817340
You only use a sidearm on a battlefield? Why do you have to switch to it?

>>85808960
>masterwork bastard sword
ftfy senpai, but it deserves something something.

>>85818526
You don't need a shield if you're already wearing a full plate

>>85821266
Memes aside, it's more of a longsword than a bastard sword, because it's (very much) more optimized to cut than thrust.

>>85808869
Depends on what kind of greatsword we're talking about here. Something like a claymore or a bastard sword you can definitely do if the soldier was healthy enough, a zweihander in one hand however would be very stupid but impressive.

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>>85805749
Too long, needs improvement

This thread was a right good laugh. Thank you, master weaponsmith Anon. Your works are truly unequaled by any craftsman living or dead.

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Ah yes I would love to join your campaign, friend.
>Human
>Fighter
>Male
>Longsword

>>85822484
Based

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>>85804985
They're just called machetes now to fool the normies.

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>>85813825
>Implying bolters don't already exist

>>85826171
Thats in the messer territory.

>>85826966
Except its gotta fire 40mm rounds

>>85827395
Nah, bolters are .75 guns, so 12ga isn't too far off, 40mm would be two times to big. Maybe something like an XM-25 would be closer.

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>>85818526
I really enjoy the "can't touch me" aspect of shields, but... yeah, splitting dudes in half and having more swordsmanship techniques available is hard to give up.

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>>85804593
A fine blade to deal with any upstart swordsman.

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How do you guys cope in fantasy settings knowing full plate armor mitigates the threat from swords?

Don’t say magic armor cutting swords because their exists magic armor as well

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>>85815975
Actually, the secret to high carbon steel WAS known back then, it's just that they used them to make these, as this design was a far superior use of the high value metal, due to its superiority over other sword designs.

>>85827988
I don't. Let my players use what they want, it's fantasy not history.

>>85818526
Big fuckoff two hander wielded one handed with a giant shield

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>>85826171
And for the chads, there's these, too.

>>85827988
>How do you guys cope in fantasy settings knowing full plate armor mitigates the threat from swords?
That's what armour is for.
Put on a bike helmet and smash yourself on the top of your head with a hammer as hard as you can. The helmet will mitigate the threat that hammer poses to your cranium, but do post results for the rest of us.

>>85828055
with a sword that’s a glancing blow at best

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>>85827988
Use a poleaxe, full plate armor doesn't mitigate that.

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>>85817757
Some were made for civilian self defense and duels, yes, but many WERE made for actual combat, typically through a more efficient profile, as seen in these examples.

>>85807092
I am currently designing a special oc donutsteel rpg and in our game encumbrance is a huge mechanic.
A longsword is the smallest of the two handed swords. It has a high damage output since you're using both hands to wield it, but a greatsword is obviously going to be significantly stronger but also heavier.
Going under half your encumbrance total grants bonuses to speed and initiative and dodging. Half to full encumbrance is normal, and overencumbered is penalties to speed initative and dodging. Longswords don't weigh a ton and can be combined with solid heavier armor to allow a character to operate with a moderately powerful weapon and good armor without penalty.

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Swordsisters...

>>85828111
Someone post the video of a full plate armor guy shrugging off a poleaxe shot

>>85804985
That's not a weapon, that's a machine that plays folk music

>>85818628
And yet the only man actually fighting someone in your pic is using a sword.

>>85829133
I got you, b.

https://youtu.be/ZCi-5NI5C7g

>>85828327
I always liked the Fire Emblem rock-paper-scissors with weapon types. I just hated savescumming to avoid character permadeath.

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>>85804671
>>85804741
These swords are not nearly curvy enough.

May I present the Ethiopian Shotel.

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>>85805336
>>85805365

>>85830571
The marines would eventually win, because if you put enough boots* in one place someone is going to light something on fire. From there it's just a matter of time.

This value appears to be 1+.

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>>85804671
My sword curves downwards :(

>>85830635
>he needs boots to start a fire

>>85804514
Longswords, greatswords, and warhammers are the holy trinity of awesome weapons also halberds

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>>85830673
Fuck, you're lucky I can't resist a sob story. Here, kid, fixed your swords for you.

>>85818773
>Claymores are closer to greatswords and polearms,
Wrong. Claymores are in the longsword category

>>85828327
>Have sword
>A guy is charging
>Put sword as far as possible from him
>And extend an arm for easy breaking

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It doesn’t get more Chad than this

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>>85831341
You sure about that?

>>85830635
The real answer is that the marines win by eating the stick.

>>85827988
Good, this is what you should want, for a fight to consist of trading hits as you try to wear down your enemy and make an opening. Unarmored combat is all about speed and reflexes, not endurance and tactics. Rocket tag combat is boring, it's not a fight, it's two characters sucking at playing whack-a-mole. If you can't trade hits, it's not a real fight, or at the least, not an interesting one.

>>85827988
Armor mitigates threat from everything. Either you had a weapon like sword that had to aim for unprotected elements, or you brought a heavy stick that made it even harder to hit your enemy properly and hoped you would hit either the head or yet again some unprotected bits. Personally I like to think that in particular, when dueling or fighting out of formation, even people clad in full plate would like to keep their visor open else the sight disadvantage would prove too great when it's not two rows bonking at each other, and the other person would simply close in with a grapple. That makes for one nice weakpoint to aim for.

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>>85831341
9/10 overall, if it had a triangular/cylindrical handle or a more aggressive pummel 10+

>>85805336
looks like zephyr blade

>>85818817
a katana is probably the best sword for just having some fun chopping stuff in your back yard because it's dead easy to actually cut effectively with one, much more than most kinds of sword

>>85827227
Messer, machete, cutlass, there's a bunch of overlap.

>>85818526
As a person who's done both, if you're already wearing plate, there's not really any point in a shield for mostly anything short of a Dragon. Any function it can fill, a sword will also fill, without obscuring your vision.
You can get those small punch shields though, which are just an extra vambrace of wood and padding over your non-dominant arm, so you can take hits to it better.

But at the same time, something that's big, comprehensive, and keeps things like arrows or fire away from you is a pretty good idea. An active defense is also good (dodging the blast of fire) but sometimes you just can't.

For Medieval Fantasy, honestly either works, depends on character idea. For low fantasy, Plate and Great works more. Realistically though, having both is best.

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>>85804514
>heroic weapon in all of existence
That's not how you spell gun

>>85830966
Anon it's not a gun.
To use a sword, you need to bring it back and swing.
You can't do anything if you just point it at them like a pistol.

>>85837686
>t has never moved their feet.

>>85830966
The real WTF of that picture is a dragon guy has his sword left handed.

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>>85804514
>Most iconic
Nice try, kid
>Be warhammer
>Used by the every single civilization in all of human existence
>Effective against armored and unarmored opponents alike
>Literally just a stick with something heavy attached the other side
>While you're busy smithing, sharpening, and honing your faggy oversized toothpick, Ive already caved your skull in and fucked your wife

>>85837686
>you need to bring it back and swing.
Not that much, and not exposing your arm to damage.
The only clean shot that guy has is a thrust to the face, otherwise he's just parrying and grappling.
No way you're going to cut that armor with a slash, and you don't need that kind of wind up to thrust a sword into a face! Faces are weak to sharpened metal.

>>85837963
Retard. You cannot tell me that the cultural impact of the warhammer is even remotely close to that of the longsword.

>>85838552
Idk about culture, but the impact surely is.

>>85804811
what a chonky young lady

>>85805230
>>85805323
ah yes, the poco

>>85808000
That shit looks incredibly impractical for anything other than premeditated murder.
It's a terrible self-defense weapon, since the ideal outcome of having a self-defense weapon is to scare the aggressor away rather than killing them, and if you take this shit out noone's gonna believe it's a gun until you've fired your only shot - and if you don't kill or incapacitate your aggressor with that shot, then you're defenseless.
Also this shit is from Texas. Who the fuck needs a murder stapler in a state where you can open carry?

>>85822484
that's good and all but you're required to put one or two lines each in the Personality and Origins fields

>>85828055
That is faulty data collection praxis. We need a witness to post the result, otherwise we won't know whether the lack of posting will be due to no experiment being conducted or to the experiment having been conducted and having produced the expectable results.

>>85806311
>Big dumb hero with a big dumb sword will never not be the best trope.
Is this actually a thing? I'm fairly certain that big swords in pop culture are predominantly used by edgy antiheroes like Guts and Cloud. Even in real life, greatswords were most famously used by bastard mercenaries who lived for carnal pleasures and not for any sort of heroic mission.

>>85838735
That has to do with fiction and conservation of detail. If you give a man plate armor and a shield ,your audience will assume, consciously or not, that he's a good guy who protects others, simply because that's so much of what you see when you look at him. That's why the evil shield paladin in Sword Art Online was such a tweest and why Shield Hero's mythology strikes audiences as dissonant. Giving a man a two handed greatsword primes your audience to think of him as someone whose job, personality, and fighting style revolve around killing, because he has to put his whole body into using it.

>>85809515
Riddle still completely bonks on 90% of systems terms of design.

>>85838642
Nice Italian pun

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>>85804514
>>85804706
Why not something in between? Behold, the warsword!

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>>85840212
Why compromise, when you can have TWO that are even more well-designed?

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>>85837963
You know what's more iconic than that?

>>85819712
when you put your head up your arse and decided to use your sword like a whiffle bat.

>>85831903
then marine become stick!
stick still win!

>>85837963
That's not what iconic means, dipshit.

When you ask the average person to describe a warrior of any age, in any culture, do you know what weapon will spring to mind? A sword. That's what it means to be iconic.

>>85837963
Yeah anon, warhammers are so iconic, that's why every military organisation uses ceremonial warhammers instead of ceremonial swords centuries after main melee weapons were made redundant in combat, oh wait...
you don't know what iconic means and the poleaxe was a better weapon than either

>>85837686
>To use a sword, you need to bring it back and swing.
>t. has never fenced

>>85828327
I'm surprised no one has considered the possibility that maybe he was looking the other way and only now realized this big motherfucker with a hammer is coming at him. Because that extended hand totally gives the feeling of "WAIT NO".

>>85818274
You're not going to cut chain with any sword, period. Nobody is strong enough to do it, no sword is designed to do it. That's not how people fought. Cutting was for unarmored areas, of which there are typically many because very few people wear full armor, whereas thrusting was to potentially split links in mail, or to target weak points in plate armor.

>>85818257
This is the dead opposite of the truth. The weapon was used that way, it was referred to in period manuals and you can see it reflected in some of their designs. You're totally uninformed and worse, proud of it.

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>>85839712
I'm glad it reached at least one paesanon

>>85808960
its a weeb hedgewhacker not good for anything but pretending to be a retarded faggot with, no one w/o asian heritage would dare touch one for fear of being seen as a weeb faggot and rightfully so. i'll put it this way if the dagger is ubiquitous and indicative of a rogue the katana is obnoxious and indicative of the type of retard that lives in a paper house drinks shit-powder tea and tries so sound deep and profound but looks either too faggy to pull it off or their fucking eyeballs are bigger than their noses and mouths so nothing they say comes out as anything other than "im a faggot i eat shit i suck dick im a raging little god damn homo faggot idiot plz kill me my chinese made kimono has cum stains".

you have to be a dicksuckler to make a katana and you have to suck 5 dicks to like them and 25 to actually own one.

>>85841836
Not that anon, but did a katana rape your dog or something? Your rage is ungodly.

>>85842002
he's just stuck in 2006

>>85837963
>warhammer
>iconic
The 1 handed thing you posted was a niche utility for hitting stuff off horseback (in Europe, not every civilization ever) because otherwise it was too unwieldy, short, and not too heavy to be effective against a resisting guy in amor. Poleaxes/hammers were a thing and pretty effective, but generally you would see Halberds around more often than the hammer versions.

Basically it's the holy trinity of spear, spear with some mass and extra blades/spikes at the end, and sword on your belt as far as iconic and usable goes.

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>>85809515
On top of that longswords and bastard swords have +1AP on two handed Thrust. Greatswords have Heavy blade type which affects certain weapons like parrying daggers, sideswords and rapiers. Usually they enjoy great DTN5 against lighter thrusting weapons and civilian swords, decent DTN against most other weapons and abysmal DTN8 or 9 against Heavy weapons such as axes, maces and polearms. What a sweet intoxicating autism.

>>85842429
lol you fags dont get it it IS 2006, i have not let time move forward, you futurist fags are out of place and will be liquidated and anime with you.

i'll slap your shit so hard like anime your feet will dig furrows in the pavement as colort lines fly past and your face makes 8 kinds of contorted precious moments abortions of facial expression while you go "NAAANNIII!?!?!?!? uh! wha...whu...uh..ohh.ooooh...uwu...oah!"

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>>85828050
>Manlette

>>85831519
Chagger

>>85840212
Kys Shad, no one uses that term but you

>>85804593
Nooo, my phallus!

>>85808769
Proofs?

The spear is the more Chad weapon than the sword but we’re not ready for that revelation

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>>85804734
The European version is also nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v9AlvAxB9g
replica and original compared https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY_GYDq-nJY
The blade thickness is less limited by the used material so the tip can be very thin and quick compared to the Japanese types.

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>>85852423
Yeah, this one is also nice

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>>85804514
The problem with it is that it's kinda out of place in a fantasy setting with little armor.
Complex hilt types would be much more appropriate.

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>>85852429
I also like this slightly different interpretation of the wallace-collection sword design.

>>85805694
I always thought the tachi looked cool. I saw a photo somewhere of a ceremonial earlier hojo tachi that made me more interested in them in general.

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>>85804514
OP's image only looks iconic cause it's a movie-prop friendly design, for a setting with plate-wearing knights the actually appropriate types would be the pointy ones XV to XVIII .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF1VFlCnLQ4&t=740s

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>>85852423
I know a way to make the tip even thinner and quicker.

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>>85852466
What do you think of this interpretation of the design?

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>>85804514
Behold the AKM, the most iconic and widely used weapon in all of existence.

>>85805336
Based and edge lessons pilled

>>85852443
Over designed crap that don't have a recognizable silhouette

>>85809495
I think you missed the joke.

>>85852423
>The blade thickness is less limited by the used material so the tip can be very thin and quick compared to the Japanese types.
Having a hefty hatchet point is actually the... point of many kissaki. They could do it much thinner and longer as well, there's plenty of types of them, but the short beefy ones are usual on early war swords, while the long, thin, pointier is more common for civilian blades.

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>>85857006
I was referring to distal not lateral taper. Blade thickness not blade with, and not only the tip.
The Japan-typical heat-treatment leaves the back of the sword unhardened, it is soft and deforms permanently when bending.
This creates a limit of how thin and light you can make a blade before running into problems, and sets design constraints resulting in a fairly limited range of possible blade-shapes.
Relatively narrow as it would get too heavy as it has to be thick, thickness doesn't decease very much compared to spring-steel based sword-types, short for its weight, varying curvature but never really straight at it's extremely hard to do due to deformation when hardening the edge etc.

>>85804593
https://youtu.be/tiOM5ecFWW8?t=195

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