>>88336125
Sad news for goths everywhere

>>88336225
Do you?

>>88336413
My leather trenchcoat hasn't closed around my waist for years, my goth GF's knees aren't up to it very often these days, time takes its toll on both body and subculture...

But one last time, for memory's sake, we shall Catan.

>>88336125
Needs a sticky for once

What a shame. Boardgames wouldn't be where they are now without Catan.

Why couldn't it have been the entirety of the wotc staff instead?

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>>88336125
When I steal my roommates last clay I'll think about him

Wow I'm surprised this was pinned. I don't play Catan over other board games anymore, but there's no doubt it did a huge amount to popularise board games as a hobby. F for Klaus.

>>88336125
F
A little bit late the sticky!

Rip, i outgrew it years ago, but board games wouldnt be where they are now without you.
God bless the germans

>>88336125
F

Literally who

F

Anyway trading sheep for wheat

>>88337248
I only get wood for sheep

F

Big news for very casual people.

>>88336125
Never played the game but F

>>88336125
>honor the guy who made Catan by being kind
ironic

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>in our latest session, my character forced the squad of robot girls under her command to play Catan as a teambuilding exercise, and we laughed about how meta we're being
insane timing desu

Also, a big loss, rest in piece.

> F
Hope he’s rolling in his grave.

>>88336125
And nothing can dethrone it now.

>>88336604
God bless.

>>88336125
F
May he live on forever in our hearts.

>>88336125
fucking RIP to all goths

>>88336125
RIP. Catan got me into board games back in high school

>>88336225
>>88337474
>>88337497
>>88337656
Am I missing something? Dont know anything about catan besides it being babbys first board game.

>>88336125
Can I have his winner's table? He's a millionaire right? He probably got a good table with momentous aura.

>>88337711
newfag

>>88337724
It's been a long fucking time, anon.
So, in honour of Catan, I will tell the newfag the important lore...
...for 2 wood, nothing's free in this game.

>>88337724
I’ve probably been here longer than you. 2007 or 2008, hence why I paid no attention to an entry level board game.

>>88336125
it's a bad game

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>>88336125
Notice how few people care about this

I don't mean to be mean but Catan was a very sub par game and it's egregiously over marketed

None the less, yes, a pin is necessary for a significant game and creator like this

>>88336604
Catan broke before the gimp did.

>>88337792
You have a momentous aura

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LGS i work at just ran a 29 person catan tournament, this is wild timing

>>88337776
>it's the classic pretend to be an oldfag after not recognizing a well known pasta from back then
Bro that ploy literally never works.

>>88337792
>Notice how few people care about this
/tg/ is mainly secondaries talking about franchise ip and catan has no characters to argue about or constant updates to look forward to

>>88337829
They always say 2007 too

>>88337724
>miss 1 (ONE) copypasta
>get called a newfag

:(

>>88337792
It's the literal definer of "par" for euro type board games

>>88337844
Bruh you couldn't miss it at the turn of the decade. Your aura is weak and pitiful

When was the last time something got stickied on /tg? Quests being banned?

>>88337873
we have very few Major Happenings™ that deserve a sticky. Mostly it's industry news and such. Board speed isn't at the point where we need stickies for things to keep there from being duplicate threads. Also, I believe we behave enough that we don't need as much mod attention as some boards.

Also stickies get unstickied when they're no longer important, so you may just have missed one.

>>88337829
>>88337841
Dont have to believe me. Doesnt change that ive been here longer than you and play more games than you. Seethe.

>>88337922
Bro the only one here seething is you

>>88337945
>no u

>>88337873
The Yugioh creator dying and the new Heroquest got a sticky.

>>88336604
Thanks Mr Plouton

>>88337983
Whatever helps you sleep at night

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>>88337711
Fine, I'll do it myself. You guys can all suspend your douchy instincts just this once.

>>88337987
Considering this id the tg equivalent of not knowing a big bang theory reference on tv ill sleep well.

>>88337995
c'mon man, he was going to pay me two wood for that copypasta.

>>88338027
lmao

>>88337839
>catan has no characters to argue about or constant updates to look forward to

or compelling gameplay to make you return to it again and again

it's Monopoly with the fun sucked out and a load of busy work put in

the point of the game isn't playing the game as an objective against other players, it's fulfilling the criteria of playing the game in your own mind; it's the fucking Skyrim of board games except instead of wheels of cheese you're eating shit and instead of slaying dragons you're destroying your precious finite existence with a game nobody gives a shit about even when they play it

with franchise IP you can at least say people are excited to play, with Catan it's a chore that you do for the sake of saying you did it, not because it's a pleasant or worthwhile experience

if it were a marriage Catan would end with a no-fault divorce after 6 weeks or a murder-suicide after 60 years and all that would set those events apart would be the individual attitude each player brings

it is not a good game

>>88338135
Is still the father of all Euro style games in many ways, it just had way more successful and handsome kids.

>>88338135
>monopoly
>fun

>>88338135
>seething he couldnt get rich off of it himself
Your game will delight millions someday anon
Someday

>>88336125
rest in peace. its the only board game i'm good at.

RIP Homie, I'll play your game some day.

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>>88336125
F

>>88337792
It is my understanding TTRPGs and wargaming are far more popular than modern board games on /tg/ so I'm not really surprised.

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Today, we all Catan. In our hearts.

I have a friend who really likes Catan. Should I tell them?

>>88337351
Catan really opened the door for more complicated board games to actually have a public presence and get published.

>>88336125
F

Never played Catan myself
F

>>88338165
It is one of the only good board games made in the 20th century.

>>88337995
>You have a monumentus aura
Im sad noone has ever said that to me.

Got a copy of the game and all it's expansions for my birthday recently. This ones for you.

>>88336225
Fpbp.

Also rip I guess

>>88336125
What a dark and sad aura, F

>>88338695
I'm sure your aura is absolutely monumentus anon
lol, get rekt fucking auralet

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>>88336125
>Catan was Mr Teuber's second board game, his first - Barbarossa - was released in 1988 and did not enjoy the same success
To be fair, Catan success is a exception not a rule. To get one like that in a career is impressive

>Catan isn't good
Yes it is.

>>88337776
You should lurk more.

>>88336125
rip

>>88336125
RIP
Why did we only learn it now?

Catan made board games something more than an entertainment for incels and neckbeards.

F

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>>88336125

OH NO!

... anyway.

Settlers of Catan is great.
Removing "Settlers of" is absolute wokeshit.

>>88339810
germans aren't known for being assertive

Hate Catan

>>88340162
simple as

>sticky up for 7 hours
>83 replies
this really is a slow-ass board huh

>>88340131
>he doesn't catan.
how absolutely plebian

>>88336125
F let’s build a road in his name.

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RIP. The ultimate bridge between pure surface level board games and more involved ones. Probably has done the most for board games since Risk.

Big cultural Impact.
Shit game that makes me have flashbacks and want to hang myself the moment I see it on someones table.
Its the Vietnam of boardgames.

>>88339359
Yeah, it's kind of like saying Michael Jackson's albums that followed Thriller weren't quite as big.

>>88336125
He was a cool dude and will be missed, even if Catan isn't my favourite.

Haven't played in years, but F

>>88340131
changing the name didn’t change that it’s an explicitly colonialist game

The mobile version is complete ass and rigged. I would never play it IRL because of this.
S

F

>>88336125
F

>>88336125
I don't know about you guys but Catan was the first board game that got me really thinking on how indepth board games could really be.

>>88336125
>accomplish many things in your life
>earn loads of money
>still end up dead anyways
better luck next time through

>>88338315
what a momentous aura

apologize for poor english

where were you when klaus dies?
i was sitting at home doing catan when phone rings
'klaus is kill'
no

;_;

>>88337922
Have you tried lurking more?

Also if you came in here after Chanology, you're a newfag.

>>88337995
Do you have the one where they make fun of the "Example of Play" section in RPGs by building a ram out of a skeleton or pissing on the door?

>>88336125
F for Sheep.
Seafarers is the only worthwhile expansion.

>>88342080
I liked the one with the knights and the castles. No idea what the name is in english, cause I play it in german as god intended

>>88336125
Quite sad.
I've never played Catan, tell me about it /tg/. What is it like? Is it a fun game?

>>88340342
At the start it went pretty fast, and it's not like /tg/ is slow. This way we can see the board has 100-200 genuine posters.

>>88337711
I meant rolling *dice in his grave, just to clarify

>>88336125

Catan is a shit game devoid of any real strategy beyond "hope for good tiles and beg for your friends to give you resources you need".

Rest in Peace, Klaus -- you may have made a tedious and banal game which I could happily never play again, but you did so much to help bring proper boardgames into being.

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>>88341341
Yes and I don't give a shit and anyone who tries to guilt me over it can pick a direction and fuck off in it.

Just like the fact that I play wargames doesn't automatically mean I kill actual humans. It's just a coincidence.

>>88339810
1. April 1 is not a date conducive to announcing serious news

2. Skill issue.

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>>88336604
>>88336225
>>88336413
thank you anons, it won't be forgotten soon

We will be playing Catan and hating it tonight in your honour.

>>88338673
Imagine not only being this ignorant but also being proud of it

>>88343317
I bet he's trolling the fuck outta all of us

>>88340726
>Probably has done the most for board games since Risk.
I'd put Acquire, Dune, and MtG ahead of Risk for games that have had massive impacts on modern board game design.

>>88343322
Nah, I can legitimately believe that someone would think that. Board games are a pretty niche on /tg/, being sequestered away in a single general.
Plenty of Warhammer or TTRPG fans probably haven't played much beyond Monopoly, Risk, Axis & Allies, etc... in their lives.

>>88343350
It has to be trolling because how the fuck would anyone consider monopoly fun, even those who have played wargames and ttrpgs
honest question, when compared to literally any traditional game I can't see what's likeable about monopoly. Even as a little kid I had a lot of fun being dumb with the game of the goose and as an adult I apreciate all the hidden esoteric meaning that "non-game" has. Monopoly? I have fucking nothing, its literally the same as the game of the goose or snakes and ladders but more shit on top to confuse kids and no profound history or meaning

>>88343389
Monopoly’s appeal is that it’s made by Hasbro and is in every toy store, and has been for decades. You’ve played Monopoly, your parents have played Monopoly, your grandparents played Monopoly.
To most people Monopoly is what board games are, and to people more in the know with /tg/ shit board games are just something to fiddle around with as you talk to your friends. They’re not meant to be taken seriously like miniature wargames or RPGs are.

>>88343422
>popular because its popular
I see
but I still expect some fucking decency and level from someone who enters this board, at least to have played and know the existance of shit that isn't monopoly

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>>88343442
Keep in mind that theres youth among them posts
If you didnt exist in the 90s and were busy shitting your diapers in the 2000s, you likely dont know much of anything of board games beyond hasbro

>>88343442
>popular because its popular
I know it sounds dumb but that’s pretty much it. It became ubiquitous and most people don’t care enough to do anything differently.
>but I still expect some fucking decency and level from someone who enters this board, at least to have played and know the existance of shit that isn't monopoly
You vastly overestimate how much people here actually care too.

>>88343478
You’d think it’d be the opposite. Board games, while not perfect, are literally better than they’ve ever been.

>>88343529
true, but people don't care
its precisely because there' an overabundance of choice that make people not want to try new things

>"Man, i'm getting bored of playing catan over and over"
>"I also got seven wonders"
>"Oh cool, lets try that"

>"Man, i'm getting bored of playing catan over and over"
>"You could buy one out of the 300 games we got available at our store"
>"uuuuh, I'm fine"

This applies to almost everything in the current world actually

>>88343630
I don’t know if it’s a lack of care as much as it is intimidation. People are terrified of making the “wrong” choice, and having a lot of options means there’s many more opportunities to make a mistake.
I suppose this can be partially remedied with diligent research but I’d say that’s where the lack of care comes in.

May he Catan in Valhalla.

>>88342289
You use resource points to build stuff to achieve victory. It's pretty boring desu, but it's easy to play, It's the kind of game I wouldn't actively want to play but I'd do it with friends to pass the time

>>88337995
what the actual fuck did i just read?

>>88336125
RIP. My gateway hobby board game was Ticket to Ride, not Settlers of Catan, but I'll never forget my first game of it (because I had horrible dice luck and thought it was shit). I warmed up to it later, and though I've gotten tired of it I think I'll talk my friends into playing it this week.

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F

>>88342289
Its pretty boring gameplay wise, roll dice to receive resources from a random tile on the board, barter with the other players for resources you need and then expand/upgrade your settlements. It is however, one of the few games I can actually get my family to play, and I love how ultra competetive they get when playing it
>dad commits to a very conservative and slow but steady path, stubbornly refuses to deviate or back down from his stance or deals
>mom is a perfectionist worrywart, will spend way to long trying to perfectly optimize her plan, then cries in frustration when shit goes south a turn later
>middle sister plays fast and efficient, goes for the kill asap no nonsense, gets very angry when she inevitably gets ganged up/left out on because she doesnt negotiate well
>youngest sister who usually hates board games will spend the first half pretending not to care about the game, then suddenly pulls out all stops in regards to negotiation (blackmail, bribery, alliances, lying andbackstabbing, promises in and out of game, etc) when she realizes she‘s in a winning position, then she gloats and cackles like crazy if she manages to pull off the win
Fun times. Pretty sad he died, they even ran it on german prime time news.

>>88337792
Settlers of Catan was/is a great steppingstone into more strategybased boardgames, a lot of normies have gotten interested in playing more complex games by starting with Catan. For that, the guy deserves some respect even if hobbyists don't really play it.

>>88344043
Someones made up fapfiction, obviously.

>>88343714
>as it is intimidation
its definitely that, too many choices are intimidating, I don't know why I started saying that it was "lack of care" when I agree with you on that

>>88336125
F

RIP mr Catan and his monumentus aura, these years it feels like everyone is dying.

>>88336125
F

I hope he's getting wood for sheep in the afterlife.

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The superior version of the game. Make way.

>>88336125
I never played this game before, but a friend called me up to tell me about this. I feel I should play one game to honor this man's memory.

>>88337487
This might be one of the most demoralizing things I've seen in a while. I pity you

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>>88346903
>I pity you for having fun with homebrew systems designed for a specific genre
>I pity you because you're having fun with things I don't understand

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M_7euCY6RJLK-kXuX6HVt17YYITWrTLvllBwBHy-5pY/edit#
It's a pretty good system, I'm sure you could come around to it.
You know, I -also- play grognard OSR shit. Different strokes for different folks. It's not like we're playing Car Lesbians.

>>88347532
Based Bakery Girl

>>88337995
I've seen this but I completely forgot about it, it isn't that remarkable.

F

Why are most board game themes either so completely dry they're boring, or retarded american garbage that you can't take seriously? I'm having trouble getting into this hobby because I just want fun and deep games but that seems a tall order

>>88337090
kek
I am thinking based

>>88351895
So you want...historical themed games?
Ir games where theme matches whats happening above board?
I guess look into Dune, Twilight Struggle, or Q.E. for starters.

F

>>88337275
Calm down New Zealander.

>>88356143
I'm welsh blast you

>>88337792
Yeah am I'm sure the whole world will stand still when Homo McFagstein that designed your favourite game that's so much better dies. Retarded dickhead.

>>88336125
Bump...

>>88347532
NTA, but dang, this is pretty good.
How's the testing been going?

>>88346086
kek

>>88336225
*sniff, wipes eyes*
yes, i DO catan

F

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>>88365101
Pretty well, the system kind of grows under our hands as it goes in these cases.

A recent issue has been balancing melee, ever since a newly joining character decided to ignore all guns in the gunbot game, and just smack shit with the axe. This is actually a bit too good, since melee offense and defense come from stats that also govern the ability to dodge bullets, and roll away from grenades. The GM can put her in trouble if it's necessary, but if we went up to the power ballpark of Third Generation Dolls or SF Ringleaders, this type of character would be clearly broken.
My character just got a Command Module, and it's looking like the specialization might need to be rewritten, because it encourages the user to give up their turn in order to buff someone who actually has points in shooting shit, which is kind of a boring way to play if it's all it does. I'd personally prefer something like a tactical point system, but it might be too much bloat for this kind of game.
Also 'what's stopping me from spending all my resources on frags and just throwing a cooked grenade every turn' has been a question every downtime, but I recall having that issue in many systems, like FFG Star Wars.

This system kind of came to be because we previously ran a Magical Girl system, which I'd like to publish one day when I consider it finished. The system had a core idea of the split between the magical and mundane, where the magical was unpredictable, powerful, and borderline suicidal, whereas the mundane was reliable and deterministic, but underpowered. One of the players took some ideas from that, and made a system that's like a big extension of the mundane side. So, despite appearances, this is a very deterministic Only War kinda system, and the math gets pretty tight, whereas RP and mental stuff (which was central in the meguca system) is largely left to the players. There's definitely a merit to simplicity, when I design a system, I just kinda keep adding more stuff.

>>88336125
Why wasn't this stickied? This is important.

>>88336125
I wonder how rich that motherfucker was. Catan sold like hotcakes for almost 30 years, worldwide. I'll trade sheep for that information.

>>88337995
Never fails to make me kek.

>>88340136
Well, look what happened the last time they were.

>>88371932
It was for a day or so, but /tg/ isn't really a fast enough board to get anywhere near the 1000s limit.

>>88336125
RIP
Catan was not that great of a game, but it really helped open up the boardgame market.

>>88372683
But this is important...

>>88337995
nice copypasta but it's only two steps away from reality. An old games group I went to had people who were fans of "The Masquerade" and dressed like this.

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>>88369838
That's definitely unexpected that melee would be too good - I'd have expected it to be too risky to do so in a game w/mobile artillery.
Re: frag-grenade spam, is there a limit to how many a given doll can carry? I wouldn't want to use encumbrance, but is there any good reason not to frag-spam if the resources are available? Collateral damage is the the main thing that comes to mind for me, but maybe the theater of operations makes that a non-issue.
It looks like there are a lot of options for the Command Module, shame it hasn't made it worth the loss of the turn. (Also, how good are hyper-efficicient memory and the skirmisher modes in practice?)

Do you keep any game logs?
Also, it'd definitely be interesting to see the origin system at some point - the split seems noteworthy.

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>>88379226
We have some logs, though this is just a bit of it, the campaign is probably around 80 sessions at this point with PCs switching in and out.
https://privatebin.net/?60e3cc44c72a1190#9VzmyuhsjD1K64Lbs9zcWUofCXEuU9sbG23xCmnpaAfK

Assault Artillery is fortunately not something PCs would be expected to fight (except maybe as a final boss), since it's pretty much the last word in warfare for 50 years. Melee does get completely walled by some enemies you would need high ordnance for, Mercedes has previously tried to axe a tank with not much success. Another part of it is that only enemies with individual intelligence or dolls under someone's command will actively evade attacks, target the squishies, and take time aiming. High defenses in everything and decent offense means enemies always need to coordinate to take that character down, which gets spooky if it becomes the norm.

Right now the frag grenade basically deals a bit too much damage, being a threat to armored enemies too, and most of the mooks won't have the presence of mind to roll away. I guess if we start meeting enemies with command protocols who are better at dodging grenades, it will be less viable. Which ties into Skirmisher Formation being obviously the best choice at the moment, which is why I deliberately didn't take it, because it would make the melee char immortal. Lending people my Processing attribute results in giving extra actions to the damage dealers which they aren't really supposed to have, and stuff like taking full aim shots within a single turn, which is busted enough.

>>88379226
GM here

the entire Command spec was written very early in game design and at the time it was expected that people would need to spend more DM on Interfacing with the environment and EW defense which is what parallel processing was supposed to be for but things didn't materialize that way

Grenades are strong but relatively expensive and compete for a limited resource pool at the start of every mission; lots of grenades = few to no ammo and less for modules or equipment.

>>88336125
So how'd he die? Heart failure?

>>88384851
He just... Died.

>>88337090
Lol, so heartless

>>88388412
Is it kinda like when George Michael died and the news story quickly got swept under the rug because they didn't want the public hearing how wide his asshole was at the time?

>>88336225
>Goths
Why goths? My only experience is asian foreigners college students playing it

>>88392947
Read the thread

>>88392947
There's Catan and "Catan".