>>710594
>This will take time, but does set a more solid deadline for how long you'll be able to control traffic flow.
We should probably hand over the secondary station before the original one has been repaired. It should keep the navigators from getting too upset with us.

>A request has been sent to you and others by the Ruling House for additional support in liberating the last enemy pockets on Csontos.
Time to gain some new customers for the HAG/Dante/Phobos tank.

>[x] Send support elements (HAG's, starfighters, vehicles)

TSTG, we built an alliance foward base on Rioja a while ago, can J-D construct these on their own, or do they need FA assistance?

>>710594
>[ ] Suggest Ber'helum assist
>[ ] Send support elements (HAG's, starfighters, vehicles)
Either or. We can't really spare the troops.

>>710594

[x] Send Support elements

Unless we've got intel of the Ruling House's ground forces being decimated and near collapse, it sounds like they're just looking to put their casualties on the forces of lesser Houses?

We should still offer some help, though. What we supply should help the lesser Houses that also send forces, and we did just fight together with the RH.

>>710594
>[ ] Send troops with full support

>>710594
For House and Dominion!

>>710594
>Send support elements (HAG's, starfighters, vehicles)
A couple HAGS should be enough if they're stuck in small pockets. Is this a "you're going to give us help for free" thing or will they pay us for the losses/damages we take?

>>710594
>[ ] Send support elements (HAG's, starfighters, vehicles)

>>710594
Not 100% certain we can support every combat theater. So lets go with: [x] Send support elements (HAG's, starfighters, vehicles)

Lets give the ground pounders a moment to catch their breath yeah? Also this: [x] Suggest Ber'helum assist

>>710645
>TSTG, we built an alliance foward base on Rioja a while ago, can J-D construct these on their own, or do they need FA assistance?
The House still has the FOB construction module used to help set up Mons Abyla base. They're actually still in the process of expanding the base interior.

Your House hasn't bothered trying to pick up the tech to produce them. They're low tech enough that any government can buy a production license for them through the Alliance.

Most of the Major Houses are able to produce them.
You could easily buy a license or even a cheap short run license to build one or two.

>>710675
>>710725
>Is this a "you're going to give us help for free" thing or will they pay us for the losses/damages we take?
It's more of a treaty obligation thing that you can opt out of if you have a good enough reason.
Also the more you help them the more willing they'll be to help you in the future. Basically a standings boost.

>>710761
Hey TSTG, can we get a status report of all our forces and where they are at and what they are up to some point in the future? If other people are okay with such a side material.

Reminder: Suptg link in OP has been changed. Old link will allow people to vote on /tg/ threads but not /qst/ threads. New link is the other way around.

Your advisors and key commanders of your military:

Knight Captain Katherine Drake is your fleet's Wing Commander. She has been working to help rebuild the attack squadrons in the aftermath of the fighting. Personnel losses were low among the attack units. Until more ships are repaired or built she's dealing with having more crews than ships for them. For now crews are rotating for patrols.

Knight Captain Kim Yu Chung is overseeing minesweeping efforts. Tens of thousands of mines were laid during the enemy invasion to trip up their fleet and many are left over. Recovering them will not only make space lanes safer for salvage teams, but replenish your badly depleted warhead stockpiles.

Uyi Rna is the General of your Army, and is currently personally overseeing fighting in the DRH 2 relay. Enough qualified subordinates remain at Rioja to look after things.

Wiremu Tama is the Admiral of your Fleet.

Fadila Saqqaf is your leading diplomatic adviser.

C.F. Vanderwal is a former House Erid noble now serving with your intelligence division as part of his parole.

Chide Dlam'ard, the Governor of Rioja is working to restructure the local economy, keeping it afloat until normal trade resumes.

Knight Commander Myrish Avun, formerly of House Sulos, has joined your fleet leading elements that defected from her House. Intel is still going through the long process of vetting her people. For now her Talos Heavy Carrier is crewed by a mix of her own personnel and some of yours that have served aboard the Majestic.
While you have vouched for Avun, negotiations between the Knight and Count Jerik are still ongoing. Eventually the Avun will have to go to the House capital if they're to ever become a Baron of your House.

>>710868
Thank you!

>>710761
>You could easily buy a license or even a cheap short run license to build one or two.
Great! I think we should put another on Rioja as soon as the military has the numbers to use it properly. Maybe on Magdalena too. Our allies in the run might be interested as well.


>>710868
>key commanders of your military
We shouldn't forget Mike!

>While you have vouched for Avun, negotiations between the Knight and Count Jerik are still ongoing.
We have more than enough planets to pick from in drh 1 at the moment. Say, wasn't Alex's dad a potential candidate for governor?

>>710918
Mike's not under our command. He's doing testing on afterburners and such.

>>710918
>We shouldn't forget Mike!
Oh, shit.
Yes, he's there trying to train more of your pilots to better make use of afterburner equipment. Mostly working in two particular fields. 1) teaching crews to make the most use of the Dusk II and 2) adapting tactics for the jettisonable AM stasis tanks on the assault corvettes.
Kim wants to help a bit more with the second one when minesweeping is over due to his people's familiarity with AM weapon usage.

>I think we should put another on Rioja as soon as the military has the numbers to use it properly. Maybe on Magdalena too. Our allies in the run might be interested as well.
Keep in mind those particular base modules were intended for airless environments. It works on Rioja because the air is very thin around the upper sections of the plateau.
It can work in a thicker atmosphere but requires more shielding to let ships launch quickly from the planet's surface without wiping out everything nearby.

>>710926
Technically true. He is operating in your sphere of influence though. He'll probably transfer back to the homeworlds once the navigators open up the FTL lanes again.

>>710848
Numbers wise Sonia's fleet has less than half the ships it started with. It will be easier for me to work out current strength once the replacement/salvage has got you back closer to what it was before the invasion.

Largest House fleets currently conducting combat operations:

Baron Abigale Winifred in DRH 2. Her fleet consists of an RSS built Heavy Cruiser gunship (seriously needs class name) and any Medium cruisers that could be spared. Fielding a mix of attack squadrons and some elite assault corvette units with their own support ships.
Mostly operating in concert with the Ber'helum and Helios fleets who are providing most of the numbers.

Baron Alexander Palaiologos in the home galaxy.
>Word from the homeworlds is that Alex has deployed to the front with the Zeus. Between the Run being cut off and the previous need to stockpile warheads for the minefield plan they don't have enough warheads to use its default configuration. They're experimenting with a mix of plasma weapons and some torpedo launchers.
>Right now your House is providing fire support to the others that are fighting House Xygen. Alex is good at it and you know he can handle himself if enemies get in close. Hopefully things will work out.

More on the overall House strength later.

>>711004
How about we just call the Gunship class Ermey? Then we can name them (if we make more) after people from Full Metal Jacket. Simple and easy.

>>711004
Could you post a cad image of the RSS Heavy?
It would help with naming the thing.

While you'd like to maintain your obligations to defense of the relay your ground troops need a break from the heavy fighting. You'll offer support from the remaining HAG units in the relay along with any Phobos assault guns and starfighters that can be spared. A pair of the Dante Gunships will also be going but will probably just be there to look flashy.

Your excitement at word that your new plasma pistol has arrived is soon quashed by a request to speak to the planetary governor.

Chide Dlam'ard and their aide, the Shallan Tamoren Balle, both seem anxious about their reson for seeing you.

"Since the liberation of Rioja our security forces have arrested roughly fifteen hundred personnel who deserted the PDF during the occupation. There are probably more. More than five thousand are listed as MIA and while it's inevitable that some were killed leaving no remains we don't know how many were."

"What we do with them is ultimately it's the Governor's call but this is your planet." says Balle. "We're wondering if they should be executed."

>What say?

>>711152
Since we are currently not in a situation that requires a fast resolution we can let them go through civilian penal routes. A prison sentence for the average deserter with ringleaders/inciters getting life with parole should be sufficient.

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>>711146
I actually do not have one of the current model.

This is the original.

>>711179
First name that came to me for that ship is Dolphin

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>>711179
While I've been leaning towards a design more like this for the newer models.

So it'd be somewhere in between. Ideally with the siege cannons protected by the heavier armor so they can't be knocked out as easily.

>>711152
Nah, just put them in prison for a while. And make a list of all the confirmed deserters. Names, faces, home zone (the cities are make up of a bunch of simi self sufficient zones right?) Then let everyone on planet access the list whenever so everyone will know they decided running away was better than protecting them. It'll discourage deserting later if they know they'll be turned into a pariah if the planet isn't lost.

We can make execution the sentence if they flee off planet. It's not worth bringing them back.

>>711152
>>What say?
Erm.. what's the normal course of action for our House when something like that happens? If not, what do the other factions and the FA do? Are PDFs handled differently compared to the more "professional" branches of the military?

>We're wondering if they should be executed.
We could put them in stasis and thaw them out next time volunteers are required for dangerous salvage or recovery work like recently on the nasidum mobile fortress.

>>711152
Ouch, damn choices... I kind want to do a 40K decision and draft them into a Penal Legion with death being their release from sentence. Why don't we have commissars or their equivalent? I mean we had one when we first started so why not one watching the troops?

But what this >>711177 Anon said sounds better then my idea.

>>711206
I prefer this version >>711179 over that one.

>>711152
Execute any ranking officers or parties that encouraged groups to desert.
Deport anyone that isn't a Neeran War Refugee (immigrants from home worlds).
Minor punitive actions against parties that are Neeran War Refugees.

Dishonorable Discharges for everyone.

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>>711210
>Why don't we have commissars or their equivalent?
Chief NCO's with the authority to take control of the ship are generally assigned to training ships because a starship is worth a bit more than a rifle.
PDF's tend to be quite large and less well trained than the regular Army. Because of this they're generally able to shrug off low levels of desertion. There's less incentive to attach the equivalent of a commissar.

I believe you had a couple Marines that would have been ideal to put in the role of Commissars.

>>711209
>what's the normal course of action for our House when something like that happens?
It differs between planets and is up to the Governor.
Most J-D planets will give jail time or hazardous duty. Executions have been known to happen, and are more likely in war time.

As an added complication some of the PDF deserters are Terran Citizens who fled here as a result of the Neeran War.

Balle speaks up.
"It probably doesn't help that before the Nasidum invasion most people here were starting to see the PDF as the equivalent of mall cops. Who was really going to attack Rioja with the huge army you've been building nearby to defend it?"

>>711446
Well it doesn't really matter what people think in my opinion. They were paid to do a job and they decided to just not do it.

I'm still for ostracizing them. Maybe we can have a House wide list of deserters so they can't just go to another planet in the House.

Looks like prison time, possibly with other options factoring in.

[ ] Prison
[ ] Prison + publicly ID / blacklist deserters
[ ] Stasis Prison / Hazardous duty
[ ] Execute ringleaders. Prison / Deportation for remainders

>>711526
Lower ranks:
>[ ] Prison
Officers (and candidates):
>[ ] Stasis Prison / Hazardous duty

>>711526
[x] Prison + publicly ID / blacklist deserters

>>711446
That makes sense.

>>711526
>[ ] Prison
for the everyman
>[ ] Stasis Prison / Hazardous duty
for ringleaders

>>711526
>[X] Execute ringleaders. Prison / Deportation for remainders

>>711152
>"What we do with them is ultimately it's the Governor's call but this is your planet." says Balle.

Well, what do they think? Sonia may own the planet but any decision is on them as well. And I think it's important to let them be part of the decision too.

>>711682
>Well, what do they think?
Dlam'ard is hesitant to execute is prepared to do so for fear of the rest of the House nobility may think them too weak on the refugees.

Balle really likes the idea of hazardous duty.
"Did you ever watch the movie, the Dirty Dozen?"

>>711763
I don't feel like going through another edition of House and survey so I'll change my vote to >>711582
The prison sentence should be pretty long if the other people in the House could think we're being easy on them.

>>711569
>>711582
Looks like we're going with these then.

At the opposite end of the spectrum of the deserters are those among the PDF who performed exceptionally well. Well enough to attract the attention of Marine and Special Forces recruiters. A few immediately accepted the chance for promotion.

Those who have been more reluctant to do so are made up of refugees from other Houses or Factions that wanted to stay away from the heavy fighting of the war.

Rob Ecord thinks he can shape them up into professionals if given suitable motivation and resources. You always need more good soldiers.

Fadila would rather have them stay in the PDF and publicize their exploits. This would increase public awareness of the PDF's actions in defense of the planet while discouraging potential recruits from thinking of it as a free ride.

[ ] More Soldiers (+1 special forces team)
[ ] PDF Awareness (+Rioja PDF Morale)

>>711839
>[ ] PDF Awareness (+Rioja PDF Morale)

>>711839
Do both. With the most flashy troops getting the spotlight while the absolute best of the best are integrated into the existing SF

>>711864
I'm fine with this, taking the top couple percent as SF. It probably won't give us a new SF team right away but they'll be able to fill in for injuries and in emergencies.

>>711864
I'll support both.

>>711839
I think helping PDF traditions off to a good start is a better investment at the moment.
>[X] PDF Awareness (+Rioja PDF Morale)

Although I wouldn't be opposed to >>711864
suggestion if it's possible.

>>711839
[X] PDF Awareness (+Rioja PDF Morale)

>>711839
>[ ] PDF Awareness (+Rioja PDF Morale)
Seems like the better option

>>711864
>>711887
>>711899
The point of Fadila's plan is that they stay in the PDF.

>>711991
I figured there'd just be slightly less being celebrated. But if we can't do both I'm going for the SF team. They're just more important than the PDF.

>>711991
My idea was that most of the heroes stay in the PDF while a small amount is integrated into the already existing SF teams. if it can't be done just boost them up as having defended THEIR planet- Focus especially on the immigrants from Terran space since they seem to require some assurance that this is their home. Need to get our patriotism up.

>>710594
Finally caught up after exatly a month of reading. My god that was long.

>captcha is HOUSE KYM ROAL
Yeah, captcha. Time for H&D!

>>710868
>Tama
Speaking of, weren't we going to consult him about carrier tactics? It was brought up last thread that we need to find a way to utilize carriers more than how we've been doing abd was going to cunsult him in this thread.

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I would like to propose a ship design.

>>712422
I always assumed in my head that the Lance Class looked like this, just narrower

>>712422
an oval shape would make more sense.

>>712482
>oval
Get out of here you dirty Neeran sympathiser, go join the For Empire and Neeran

>>712503
Not my fault the star wars universe has shitty ship design

Fadila help's the Governor's own PR people with publicising the exploits of some members of the PDF. Given awards and promotions within the PDF, they're praised for helping to defend their new homes, and for heroism in the face of adversity.

The Governor hopes they can serve as an example for those who continue to defend the planet from the threats facing it.

Morale among the PDF has increased. While before most awards and publicity have always been given to your much more active Attack Wings and Marines, the rank and file have now seen that it's possible for them to make a difference.


>>712063
>while a small amount is integrated into the already existing SF teams.
That already happened.
>A few immediately accepted the chance for promotion.

>>712422
I have considered this. You don't have the tech for singularity warheads or plasma lances yet.
Yet.

With those issues brought up by the Governor dealt with you're finally able to see to a pair of Alliance technicians that have arrived with cases containing your new plasma pistol.

Wait, cases?

After they've been cleared by security you're asked to head down to one of the weapon ranges which have been set aside. A squad of your personal guard has restricted the area to only the Alliance techs, those from your armory and themselves.

One of the technicians introduce themselves.
"Viscount Reynard, I am Arndt Lauritz and I am very excited to present to you the new Mark Seven plasma pistol. The first weapon of its kind commissioned by the Factions Alliance.
My assistant and I are here to supervise final assembly of the weapon."

You raise an eyebrow at this.
"Final assembly? I thought it was already being assembled? That was part of the reason why it was going to take time to be sent here."

"Well it was but there was some debate over the version type you may appreciate more so we've brought the parts necessary to complete the weapon with features you would prefer."

That's not so bad.

"Any chance I can keep the remaining parts and switch them out between different types?"

The two techs exchange glances then both shake their heads. "No, I'm afraid that would not work. The remainder will be needed elsewhere."

They open up the cases revealing a familiar looking plasma pistol housing along with plenty of other gear. One of the parts looks like the micro fusion reactor from a suit of power armor.

>Cont.

>>711179
>>711206

Richelieu is a great name but doesn't fit the scheme. Dolphin -> Dauphin?

Threadly reminder to let Vanderwal off the hook before he gets bored and kills us.

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>>712780
>Dolphin -> Dauphin?
Donphan?

Available types.
While able to swap out fuel cells like your older pistol, the Mark 7 series is meant to deal with problems of logistics in the field. Because of this all types of this series have features meant to make it easier to keep the weapon supplied while away from major infrastructure.

>Mk.7 A
Featuring an integrated micro fusion reactor, the 7A is capable of recharging its fuel cell in the field, albeit at the cost of having to use hydrogen instead of iron as its ammunition. This is closer to Neeran plasma weapons in many respects. The beam can be adjusted to use more or less of the fuel cell per shot.
While its ability to penetrate vehicle armor is somewhat reduced it is still more than sufficient against infantry, even when equipped with power armor.

>Mk.7 B
An alternate take on recharging in the field, the 7B can make use of raw materials needed to refill the fuel cell, then use an external power source to heat them to the necessary temperatures. This power can be from a suit of power armor, a vehicle, or the local power grid of a ship or city.
While energy intensive, it means the weapon doesn't need a specialised facility to reload the fuel cells.

>Mk.7 C
An attempt to combine features of the A and B models, a weapon that doesn't rely upon an external power source but still has the same punch. Prototype testing is still in progress and some bugs remain to be worked out. As a result its reliability is likely to be poor.

Which are you more interested in?

>>712862
>Mk.7 A

We already have our OG model for punching big holes in armor plate and being a logistical nightmare. A reliable backup makes the most sense.

>>712862
>Mk.7 B
Sounds like the flashlights of 40k only with more kick to it. Plus with us seeing less and less field operations I think this would be better for us. Especially if we can hook it up to our power armor or ships energy grid to recharge.

>>712862
Do they have testing results for the A version against actual or simulated Neeran in their assault armor getups? Or vs the crazy not-psy deflection powers?

>>712862
>>Mk.7 B

>>712862
Mk.7 B
>>712882
If you want it to not be a logistical nightmare you want the B then. The parts will always be hard to get, so making it easier to reload is the only way to make it easier on the logistics guys.

>>712862
How does the pistol compare to the aries plasma rifle?

>>712916
Probably like our rifle vs the knockoff we took over. Cheaper and easier to make but not as good.

>>712862
>Mk.7 C
Just because I love the idea of Sonya always carrying around this one gun that has a chance to disastrously fail.

>>712906
>Do they have testing results for the A version against actual or simulated Neeran in their assault armor getups?
Yes. Its enough to get through their armor except in rare cases where even your best 20mm wouldn't be able to get through.
Using a more powerful shot with a higher percentage of the fuel cell can overcome this.
NOTE: The recoil dampeners are not always able to make up for kick back when firing greater than 30% of the fuel cell contents at once. Power armor is recommended.

>Or vs the crazy not-psy deflection powers?
They have not had an opportunity to test it under those conditions so far.

>>712916
The aries weapon is essentially a regular plasma blaster design but with a different magnetic focusing system to produce a tighter beam. They also moved the fuel cell to the back of the weapon more like the plasma pistol to increase overall efficiency, though not necessarily safety.
Its penetration is comparable to the lower settings on the 7A but can't be adjusted any higher.

>>712928
This. Also theirs is the size of a rifle.

>>712862
Question:
What one will better resist the effects of energy draining systems?

Is any one of the variants more destructive than our current pistol?

>>712862
>Mk.7 B

Mk.7 D - Kills every Neeran everywhere in the universe all at once.

>>713094
>What one will better resist the effects of energy draining systems?
Neither would perform well in such environments unfortunately.
7A might last a bit longer if you could keep it supplied with common fusion fuels, but it would go through a lot.

>Is any one of the variants more destructive than our current pistol?
On a per-shot bases the 7B is nearly identical to your modified Mk 1. The 7C would also be similar in theory.
If you set the 7A to use its entire fuel cell in one shot you'd get a really big boom more like a Shallan fusion gun, but again it wouldn't penetrate armor as deeply.
And you would go flying.

>>713225
Sounds like that could be fun in a vacuum. I'm still for the B though.

>>712862
Soooooo . . . . Do we still have our fake arm with its high tech sensor gear?

Could we use it to take measurements of the other parts under the guise of checking them out, so that we can maybe replicate them later?

>>713245
I like the way you think.

>>712862
Also 7B

>>713225
Neat.

If this is an Alliance R&D Program, and it's a continuation on the Republic Pistol we have, does that mean the Republic has turned over all their research to them as well?

Can we ask them what the official manufacturing price on one of these would be? It would make a nice gift for our sister.

>>712862
>Mk.7 B

>>713437
Winifried and our mother would kill us if we got her one... I think this could be a great idea.

>>713485
> Not getting one for our Mother instead

The latest in home protection! All that bloodthirsty estrogen in our family had to come from somewhere.

>>712780
>Richelieu is a great name but doesn't fit the scheme.
It's not like I commisioned the thing. I guess its from here.
http://lighthousezen.seesaa.net/

I should not have started looking at this guy's page while H&D is running. Too many good ideas.

>>713245
>Do we still have our fake arm with its high tech sensor gear?
Yes.
>Could we use it to take measurements of the other parts under the guise of checking them out, so that we can maybe replicate them later?
You can try.

>>713437
The Alliance commissioned the Republic to develop the Mark 7 line.

>Can we ask them what the official manufacturing price on one of these would be?
The techs don't know. If factoring in the projected development cost it's probably equal to a suit of power armor.

Looks like we're going with the 7B unless there is a large shift.

>>713669
>If factoring in the projected development cost it's probably equal to a suit of power armor.

Is there any way they can set a mode on the weapon that lets it do really low powered shots but in rapid succession? Basically a burst fire mode.

The Aries plasma rifle too, have they thought about copying it and applying any of this new technology? The pistol is the perfect backup weapon but having a main-line rifle would be a nice weapon too.

>>713797
Considering that this pistol is currently worth two assault corvettes...

>>713797
They both fire a beam. Weapon length doesn't only matters if you want to fit more accelerators of some kind to make the plasma move faster to do more damage. And since both our current pistol and the Mk.7 B will be able to easily penetrate tanks that doesn't matter.

The Aries weapons are probably rifle sized to make up for inferior technology and materials.

>>713797
>Is there any way they can set a mode on the weapon that lets it do really low powered shots but in rapid succession? Basically a burst fire mode.
Not with the currently available models. That may be possible on future versions.

>>712407
>Tama
>Speaking of, weren't we going to consult him about carrier tactics?

>To use them more effectively in raiding requires a different set of tactics that Sonia the players never really mastered.
>I suppose next game will be a good time for Admiral Tama to address the issue of experienced but underutilised escort carrier commanders in Sonias fleet.

You resolve to talk to Admiral Tama now that things have calmed down and see to the status of your carrier forces. Fighters played an important role in the first major battle in the relay, but you left their deployment to Tama and the other commanders at Magdalena.

Roll 10d20 for starfighters losses at Magdalena.

>>713904
Weapon length *only matters
I guess I had a brain fart there.

Rolled 17 (1d20)

>>713906
dice

Rolled 10, 15, 16, 14, 1, 4, 18, 8, 1 = 87 (9d20)

>>713906
>>713915
Oops

Rolled 14, 11, 16, 14, 5, 20, 11, 4, 16, 3 = 114 (10d20)

>>713906
so many dice

Rolled 3, 4, 20, 16, 9, 18, 10, 15, 20, 1 = 116 (10d20)

>>713906

Rolled 17, 16, 11, 10, 3, 10, 16, 1, 8, 20 = 112 (10d20)

>>713906

Rolled 49 (1d100)

>>713669
So can we try to scan the pistol parts?

Most of your newer drone units performed quite well in the last battle. For the most part the all- manned fighters had similar numbers of kills and losses. The exception to both was a manned unit that became trapped during the fighting. Tama sacrificed an entire group of drone fighters to get them out of there. They still took losses but the unit was saved from destruction.

It cost you some expensive drones though, ones that had been performing better than the other models.

[ ] "You made the right call."
[ ] "Keeping those drones fighting could have killed more ships."
[ ] Other

>>714047
>[x] "You made the right call."

Pilots are expensive

>>714047
>[x] "You made the right call."

>>714047
>"You made the right call."
Manpower>Dosh
at least, that's the situation for our house.
we need to preserve as much manpower as possible if we want to actually use another SHC if we grab one!

>>714047
>[ ] "You made the right call."

>>714047
>[ ] "You made the right call."
This is what we advocated the use of drones for after all.

>>714047
"You made the right call."

Losing drones so we don't lose pilots is why we got them, after all.

And what's the specifics of the drones? Are they doing better than the other models because they're more expensive, or do they come with something special?

>>714146
iirc ruling house drones are long range supports while the gun drones are simpler and more dogfighty.

>>714159
Well I meant the particular model that was sacrificed. TSTG said it was doing better than the other models.

>>714184
>>714146
The more expensive heavy drones bought from the Ruling House have longer ranged beam weapons and can carry more missiles and torpedoes. They're more vulnerable at close range.

"You made the right call earlier saving our pilots. With the money we made off salvage we're more than capable of buying replacement drones."

"Thank you sir, I'm glad you agree. I'm certain the pilots appreciate that sentiment as well."

The starfighter pilots, the one branch of the Rioja armed forces you don't spend time personally training with on occasion. The Fleet, the Marines and special forces, even the army are ones you try to make appearances for.

"I know I haven't paid enough attention to our starfighters overall and I'm sure you have some ideas to make better use of them."

The Admiral nods in agreement.
"Yes I have. We have officers, good ones, in command of our escort carriers and fleet carrier forces. You've sent out raiding units with attack squadrons to help House Helios and their allies at time over the past year. I'd like to have our carriers perform a few similar operations.
I can't promise anywhere near the same level of salvage, if any, but they will keep the enemy on their toes. Force them to guard convoys and rear areas."

"What would you use?"

"Any of our remaining Aries stealth fighters and some of the probes to help with ambushes. A mix of older craft with newer Drones. As for Carriers any of our remaining U-Hauls that were built as escort carriers would do.
Generally I want to send out things that we can easily replace. Escort carriers can run fast enough at sublight to evade most pursuit and the U-hauls have slightly higher and more redundant FTL.

Let me send out six of these ships and one support vessel. Give them a chance to sink or swim."

>What say?

>>714344
Do it, suggest attaching some corvette or point defense frigate escorts to mitigate the 'sink' possibility.

>>714344
sure, but also suggest >>714384. I'm sure we can outfit some old corvettes lying around with upgrades along with maximum pd turrets/mass drivers

>>714384
>>714404
I'll support this as well, assuming we're not already doing something similar.

>>714344
"You'll have your ships and support, Tama. Good luck and good hunting."

Would a stealth carrier be a viable project?

>>714453
if the launch bay openings are opened away from the enemy, it might be viable.
but then we would need stealth stasis fields for fighters.

>>714344
Sounds good. If the name of the game is cheap and low risk then outfitting some old corvettes or attack corvettes seems good. And if they have teleporters they have a better survivability (Crew-wise) than squishy fighter pilots they may be covering for. Like
>>714384
>>714404

>>714453
It might be useful for insertion of stealth fighters where docking isn't a concern but the fact that it has to wait until the fighters redock makes them far harder to use in hit and run tactics that would benefit from stealth.

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>>714453
>Would a stealth carrier be a viable project?
Possibly. The Nasidum assault transports that attacked Mons Abyla base were more or less that.

At any rate, Escort Carriers can simply jump in somewhere in a system where sensor coverage is weaker, deploy fighters then jump out again. They just need to have a plan for when and where to jump in to recover the fighters after their attack runs.

If they plan to attack a deep space re-alignment point they can just deploy fighters when a convoy isn't present and lie in wait.

>>714384
>>714404
Tama initially argues against a close escort but ultimately relents.

"The more ships there are together the higher the chance of detection by long range sensors. But I suppose a few small escorts probably wouldn't hurt if things go wrong."

The escort carriers will be readied and sent to the Centri Cluster with one of the returning convoys. You intend to be at the docks to wish them luck before their departure.

>>714670
Is this a Wat do?

As if you didn't have enough things to worry about you've gotten word that your construction company on Rioja is having some problems.

The Construction ship and HLV's that initially supported operations in Strymon helped to set up several construction yards near the space port. These were expanded several times to keep up with demand and to allow the ship to be used elsewhere on other contracts.

When the Relay was invaded the ship was recalled back to Republic space by company execs, probably intending to wait out the civil war while taking contracts back home.

Many engineers and crews were left stranded on Rioja but have since continued their jobs at the surface construction yards. With the immediate threat gone more of the skilled civilian workers are trying to get their contracts transferred to Republic space before the region can be attacked again. These are workers that you can't afford to lose right now. Training replacements up to their level will take months.

The Republic Infrastructure Development Company doesn't have an official policy towards their workers trying to get out of a war zone. What they do know is that to continue operating on Rioja they need to expand capability again.
Specifically in the form a two or more construction ships better suited to the harsh environment there. A bit of a late realization what with the atmosphere slowly improving now but at least they're acknowledging problems exist.
That's going to cost more money than the company has, the whole reason you were able to become a shareholder was because they needed more funding to expand.

It seems the company has two problems. It might be possible to solve both at the same time.
Mandating that workers already here have to remain or they'll forfeit their contract might keep people on but it probably won't result in a friendly work environment.

How do you plan to handle these problems?
We'll find out in the morning!

Not sure what time I'll be resuming as I need to go get new licence plate stickers. That may turn out to be complicated.

>>714972
Well depending on the Dominon's and Republic's view on sharholders that aren't actually part of the company, we can "donate" some money (if we still have some that is) so the company can renegotiate their employees contract and give them a higher pay if they stay on Rioja.

I can't really think out the full plan right now since politics and economics are complicated, so if anyone can expand and improve on my idea I'd appreciate it.

>>714972
It sure is lucky that the owner of most of said planet happens to have an interest in owning more of the company AND has ships that function in the adverse conditions of Rioja.
If the company is unable to renegotiate the contracts of the employees we could try to use these people to further a RSS subsidiary in the Republic by hiring them and contracting them ourselves.

>>714972
Sell the workers shares in the company or some other profit-sharing deal to raise money and tie them to its successful conclusion?

>>714972
Seems like a problem we can mostly solve by throwing money at it, offer generous pay increases to workers who stay.

Any salvaged or immediately available ships that could be re-purposed for construction use?

>>715024
This is an even better idea

>>715024
>>715035
I don't think you can just sell their shares in a company. We'd have to get them to agree to sell first. Which I'm guessing would be far from easy.

>>715035
If it weren't for the political considerations, I'd much more prefer to offer them land instead and subsidies for children to encourage them to start families and engage in the community even more.

I mean, I suppose we can still do the second thing, offer guarantees of safety and access to Noble-level education. The opportunity to make personal relationships with the political and economical elite of the Dominion should be pretty attractive.

>>715075
> or some other profit-sharing deal

Bonds or a percentage of sales upon completion as opposed to shares. Payable either upon sale of the land afterwards, or with an option to sell to the Company at market value upon completion if they don't want to wait for land to raise in price as it is sold off.

>>715075
the major share holders can decide to issue additional shares effectively diluting the % owned by everyone and then sell these. It's done when a company requires a quick injection of cash as share holders rush to buy additional shares to maintain their previous stake in the company.

>>715100
>>715102
Oh, it's sort-of-legal dirty business stuff. I'm fine with that then.

I also now realize you meant selling them shares, not selling their shares. And that it's nearly 1 am.

>>715121
That's not the dirty part.
It gets dirty when you realize those same shareholders can decide at what price the company sells those shares on a case by case basis essentially allowing the controlling parties to maintain their % owned either for free or a nominal sum depending on which results in less taxes.

>>715143
I like it even better then. Much better than my idea of just throwing money at it.

>>715143
What's it like? Selling your soul for a career in finance I mean.

>>715143
wait, that's legal?

>>714972
>How do you plan to handle these problems?
The idea of issuing bonds or profit sharing options for the crews seems good to me. In addition to that, maybe we could add the option for the workers to receive priority transportation to Terran space in case a significant hostile fleet enters the relay again?

>The starfighter pilots, the one branch of the Rioja armed forces you don't spend time personally training with on occasion. The Fleet, the Marines and special forces, even the army are ones you try to make appearances for.
Sonia should check in on them. All she knows about starfighter combat is that it's incredibly leathal, even compared to infantry work in many situations. How do people cope with that? Why do people volunteer for that branch?

I just had an idea.
seeing that AIs are vastly superior on battlefield control, which is only limited by their processing unit's size, how about this?
A fully automated carrier that has a processing unit to refine scrap, and repair units to refit and rearm it's entire complement of drone fighters, directly slaved by the carrier AI as well as rudimentary second AI that will return the drones in case of disruptions.
I'm sure this has already been tried in the past, or the fear of a self-sufficient AI running around was deemed too risky for such a project, but I want to try it anyway.

>>715274
I sold my soul for a candy bar long before I started studying.
>>715316
Long story short: Yes

Fucking government bullshit. One hand doesn't even know the other's attached to the same body.

Will try to resume before 12:00

>>715915
>previous AI rebellion event destroyed a few Houses, minimum
>new threat of an AI civ that fought the Neeran Empire and still manages to pop up in several locations in our space
>Wants to build a self sufficient AI carrier with material refinement and construction equipment

I don't even trust us to not let Versa loose to start an AI rebellion. You're just speaking crazy talk.

>>716121
If Versa ever got loose and asked us for a hideout/material support/assistance for the rogue AI faction, would you help her?

>>716145
No, because doing so would put our family and subordinates at insane risk levels.

And it would without a doubt be something that any sane person under us would not support.

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A little bit late but FOR HOUSE AND DOMINION!
>>715915
While an interesting idea at the moment the situation with surrounding A.I. rights & the political situation would most likely mean that the carrier would undoubtedly only see combat on the Neeran front if any.

I agree with >>716121 on the part about the A.I. Civilization as until we can make "Contact" and see about getting some common ground it might be a risk.

What I don't agree with is the Vera comment. I fully believe that if Vera asked us for help or needed a place to lay low we would help. Not even thinking about the strategic segnificance of an A.I. helping out house (or maybe just us), but simply because out of the few A.I. we have come in contact with they are the one we have interacted with the most and dare I say a friend? You wouldn't abandon a friend would you?

>>712695
>plasma lances
I would like to know more.

>>715001
>we can "donate" some money (if we still have some that is) so the company can renegotiate their employees contract and give them a higher pay if they stay on Rioja.
>>715035
>offer generous pay increases to workers who stay.
That's an option.
You could also request that the company compensate you for these donations, say in the form if some more shares for yourself. Less than you'd usually get if you were just buying them since you'd be trying to seem generous with the donations.

>>715102
>>715143
Or you could flat out buy more shares.

>>715081
>Family subsidies

>>715024
>>715100
>Bonds, shares, profit-sharing deal / % of sales

So we definitely have some options. Here's another one for your consideration; the company needs more construction ships and you can get hold of hulls more easily than they can. You could get them more ships in return for them finding a way to crew them.
It might still leave long term problems with crews wanting to get out of the region.

>1) The workers
1a) Use your own money to increase worker pay
1b) Use your own money but request some shares in return
1c) Ask company to issue more shares to buy up.
1d) Offer family subsidies
1e) Bonds, shares or profit-sharing with the workers
1f) Buy ships in return for company paying workers

>2) Acquiring Construction Ships
2a) Ask company to issue more shares, new cash used to buy ships (Combine with 1C)
2b) Buy ships in return for company paying workers (Combine with 1F)
2c) Buy ships yourself, trade for shares before any split/revalue
2d) Buy ships yourself, rent/lease to company

This can be added to a later survey if there isn't strong support for any options. Or if new ones are suggested.

>>716266
>[x] 1c) Ask company to issue more shares to buy up.

>[x] 2a) Ask company to issue more shares, new cash used to buy ships (Combine with 1C)

>>716266
>1e) Bonds, shares or profit-sharing with the workers
I'm assuming this includes what we're talking about here

>>715102
>>715121
>>715143
since the discussion came from >>715024 and 1e just sounds like taking 1c farther but if it doesn't then

>1c) Ask company to issue more shares to buy up.
It just seems like the least risky thing. We're not using our personal money like the other plans and our money's going to be very important since we're in the middle of a civil war. That's assuming paying an entire company's worth of worker bonuses to convince them to stay in what could be a warzone is going to be as expensive as it sounds.

And for 2 I'm voting
2a) Ask company to issue more shares, new cash used to buy ships (Combine with 1C)

>>716266
>1c) Ask company to issue more shares to buy up.

2a) Ask company to issue more shares, new cash used to buy ships (Combine with 1C)

>>716354
>1e just sounds like taking 1c farther
It sort of is, just giving more of those shares to the workers as a longer term investment.

>>716376
Yeah, that's what I want. That way the workers won't realize how badly we're screwing them later and leave or go on strike.

>>716266
>1b) Use your own money but request some shares in return
>2c) Buy ships yourself, trade for shares before any split/revalue

Government bullshit please stand by.

>>716549
Don't worry TSTG, it stops when you die. There'll be hope one day!

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Thanks to recent deals with the Alliance, the Krath and by taking very little additional salvage you've manged to pay off the majority of your war debts.

It will still be some time until you can think about additional fleet expansion so its best not to get ahead of yourself. Paying off the short term interest alone will take up a big chunk of your personal funds for the year. Given the amount of cash you've already dumped into Rioja your financial advisors recommend you pay off the remaining war debt now to keep it from incurring more interest.

Some of your funding from profits this past year were already set aside to pay for particular pieces of equipment or ships you've acquired. Because of that you have 1.8 billion to work with.

To pay off the interest built up would cost 700 million, while the interest plus remaining debts would be 1 Billion.
Adding another 200 million to the planetary economy would keep things progressing and make up for the blockade and occupation.

With the size and expense of some potential projects that may be coming up it might also be a good idea to hold back more money in reserve.

[ ] Pay of remaining war debt (300 million)
[ ] Pay off interest (700 million)
[ ] Pay off debts and interest (1 billion)
[ ] Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)

>>716751
>[ ] Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)
True Sonia fashion.

>>716751
>Because of that you have 1.8 billion
I would sugest we pay off the debts, roughly half the interest, and use 200m for an economic boost.

300m+300m+200m = 800m, leaving us with 1 billion to spend for other stuff this year.

>>716751
I'll go for >>716771 's half-interest plan

>>716771
This is fine.

Unless we were stupid enough to take out loans with compound interest. Then I vote to pay off the debts and interest in full.

>>716751
>[ ] Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)
Fuck it we'll just add that to the list of reparations.

>>716751
>[X] Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)

Better to pay it off now. I can't imagine any war loan that lacks compound interest, especially with all this war going on.

>>716751
>[ ] Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)

>>716771
I'd be okay with that.

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So, tie vote between
>Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)
and
>pay off the debts, roughly half the interest, and use 200m for an economic boost. (800 m)

The second option had the most votes within 30 minutes so I'll probably go with that unless anyone wants to switch their vote?


Onward to big spending.
>plasma weapon moon expansion?

Rioja's moon was forced to fight unsupported against a far more heavily armed mobile fortress and a full supporting fleet of thousands of ships. Ultimately its defenses were going to fall, it was just a question of how long they could hold on for. With a fleet they might have been able to hold out longer.

There has been interest in not only increasing the moons defensive capability but its manufacturing as well. Subsurface facilities could be added easily along with changes in the weapons compliment. The rate at which slag and additional materials are added to the surface to bulk up the moon could also be increased.
This would be the cheaper and quicker solution.

A more ambitious approach would be to break up asteroids in the system, chop them into suitably sized chunks and then build up the moon. Armor layers along with structural supports and bracing could be added to increase overall durability. Room could also be set aside for internal ship docks and manufacturing space.
You previously lacked the infrastructure in the Rioja system to be able to pull this off. There wasn't going to be enough time or funds available before the Nasidum attack.

Opinions?
Alternatives?

>>717101
>Opinions?
>Alternatives?

I think we should construct a smaller plasma/torpedo moon in winifred's and the original J-D territory each before we expand our local facility. The current conflict showed the supply lines between the different territories can be distrupted very easily, so we should at least build minor manufacturing capabilities elsewhere.

Also, if the commander and whoever from the crew suggested the plan that destroyed the medium cruiser parked over the main shaft survied then they should at least get some land on Rioja.

>>717101
>Debts, interest and economic boost (1.2 billion)

Tie breaker!

>>717101
Would this expansion plan be something that a mining group would be used for? Say as part of a wider effort to mine anything valuable in the asteroid belts?

>>717101
I think the less ambitious plan should be tried.

>>717101
The second plan seems like a good idea. I don't think fixed defenses are nearly as important as things like ships, but having a fortress that could slow the enemy down or stop them for a while is a good idea.

It's gonna be expensive as all hell though, and we don't know if it'll ever actually be useful to us instead of whoever succeeds us as Baron. Though I suppose it would protect all of our plasma weapon manufacturing from any sort of raid. Anyone who wanted to damage it would have to infiltrate, which runs a much higher risk of failure than a ship raid and also risks not actually crippling the manufacturing completely. So the security would have to be top notch since that the greatest danger it would face after completion. The people on the base would have to know that, and only the best and most trusted people would be allowed to work there.

I suppose long term we could add satellite bases and such, but that's in the super, super long term.

I'd suggest sharing it with the House, but I don't whoever Fox is a lapdog of to get access to it.

>>717101
I'd rather we go all in and make a second moon positioned so the two can provide support to each other. Build it out of all those asteroids.

The most expensive plan as it were.

As for earlier Vera talk, why do uou think I at least voted to build up Favour with the Alliance?

>>717150
That's not really how this works. We're already doing that, the less ambitious plan would just speed up the process. He's asking if we want to change how we're building up the base since doing one would preclude the other. Or at least make it much more difficult to switch over to the other plan.

>>717101
>Alternatives?
Way back when we were visiting Alliance R&D sites, they had 'Security Fields' or something like that built into the surface of installations.

Would they be useful, and can we acquire them?

>>717101
How about further expanding available room and opening it up for private enterprise? Start construction from the center with the end goal of the entire moon turning into an inhabited "station".
The first 10 km of the moon would be reinforced along with military the second layer would be commercial/industry districts, third would be housing and the core would have military research (not black) and local command infrastructure.

Two bases which your fleets relied upon for their logistics and support were destroyed in the fighting, so keep in mind you may need more in the future once you're back to full strength.

If you went with the less ambitious option you should still be able to work at replacing those.

>>717130
>Winifred's and the original J-D territory each before we expand our local facility. The current conflict showed the supply lines between the different territories can be distrupted very easily, so we should at least build minor manufacturing capabilities elsewhere.
Additional torpedo production was another item that was going to be brought up. Instead of putting a more protected warhead manufacturing center on Rioja's moon you could push for one in the homeworlds.
You can't currently set one up in South Reach because trade remains unreliable. The SRL also sells tons of warheads on the black market so for now Winifred and Daska aren't investing heavily in producing their own.

>>717139
>Would this expansion plan be something that a mining group would be used for?
Yes?
>Say as part of a wider effort to mine anything valuable in the asteroid belts?
Unless you're intentionally overharvesting its doubtful you'd be able to exhaust the local belts before the civil war is over.
You would need to bring in more mining ships for the project but not that many.

>>717167
>make a second moon positioned so the two can provide support to each other.
A planetoid could be directed outward from the belts. People are going to be nervous about this though. Rioja did have 2 moons at one point.
Also, with them being restricted military facilities having 2 moons could interfere with local civilian traffic which is a thing Rioja relies upon.

>>717287
>If you went with the less ambitious option you should still be able to work at replacing those.

And now the ambitious plan doesn't seem as good. I don't know what plan would be better now.

Could we stick with the first option for now and after everything's fixed and back to normal switch to the ambitious option? Regardless, if it doesn't already we should put the longest range guns we have readily available on it. I doubt we could get the newest Helios siege guns or Republic plasma cannons.

>>717277
>Closer down you pick out lines surrounding the base. "What is that?"
>"A security field projector. A Rovinar team designed it using Kavarian terraforming shields. It doubles as a quarantine measure."

Modified shield. One that can't be penetrated by slow moving objects. Just as energy intensive a starship grade shield generators but unable to withstand the same amount of damage. These shields don't present the same domed shape of conventional starship shielding, and can't be curved.
Most of the time they project a force field straight up from their emitters, a bit like the C&C Firestorm barrier.

>>717285
While possible it would make it difficult to protect the military sections against infiltration. The construction would have to be planned to take into account the civilian areas.

>>717310
>Could we stick with the first option for now and after everything's fixed and back to normal switch to the ambitious option?
The northern fortress on the moon either needs to be rebuilt or removed. Damage is extensive and in its current state won't be able to hold against attacks by Medium Cruisers.
You could place some smaller defense platforms around it as a temporary measure.

>>717310
Actually we might be able to nigger-rig ourselves a scrap cannon or a dozen.

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>>717367
Oh right I just remembered this thing.
Depending on how arrays work some of these could be used to boost the amount of firepower per m^2 of exposed armor.

>>717367
>a bit like the C&C Firestorm barrier.
Oh, neat. Can we mount it in a turret and use it as an interceptor beam?

I'd like to vote for the [x] Ambitious Asteroid Dumping

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>>711763
>Dlam'ard is hesitant to execute is prepared to do so for fear of the rest of the House nobility may think them too weak on the refugees.
>Balle really likes the idea of hazardous duty.
"So, what will it be? Death, or hazardous duty?"
"Like I'll ever do any dirty work for your house!"
"Death it is then... by hazardous duty."

>Additional torpedo production was another item that was going to be brought up.
Wouldn't it be more efficient to wait until all the investment opportunities have been presented before we decide on how to spend Sonia's money?

>>717367
Well since I can't decide which plan is better I'll just let everyone else pick.

>>717367
Could we get the other houses in the Run Alliance to fund the defensive upgrades of the Moon in exchange for setting it up as a HQ for the defensive alliance?

>>717367
>>717404
>Phase Array

Hey, that gives me an idea.

What would it cost to cover the entire moon and turn it into an array? Phasing material is meant to be super tough as well.

>>717379
If you mean on the moon you'd have to dig tunnels down to the very center where the plasma weapon manufacturing is currently located. A lot of them, otherwise you wouldn't be able to aim. That still wouldn't work great.
Maybe a mass driver that looped around the outer surface of it? That would be a bitch to control.

Unless you're talking about free floating weapon systems to be moved around.

>>717404
Bottom three are right out. Some of the upper ones might work but having them enclosed would mean using it like a spinal mount weapon. Still, it would offer some protection.
The array needs to be connected to the emitter like the second one from the right is.

The downside is that it would be more difficult to field repair.

>>717465
In setting there were only two experimental ships built like that. There was probably a good reason but damned if I can remember it.
Best technobabble I can think of is feedback along the beam causing resonance in the weapon system. Could potentially take out the phase weapon and any arrays linked to it.

>>717492
>Could potentially take out the phase weapon and any arrays linked to it.
Phase moon a no-go then? You'd only ever be able to fire 50% of the arrays at once on a single target.

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>>717511
>Phase moon a no-go then?
Probably not the best idea to rely upon an experimental weapon system the size of a moon.

>>717448
>Could we get the other houses in the Run Alliance to fund the defensive upgrades of the Moon in exchange for setting it up as a HQ for the defensive alliance?
Possible. Keep in mind that some of your allied Houses in the Run are still wary if your increasing power and at times a bit jealous.
Regardless Rioja's position is strategic with it placed right near the entrance to the Run, one a micro jump away.

You could play this up and encourage funding an expansion that would add ship docks to accommodate a fleet. In return your allies would probably want to station ships and troops there. It could undermine overall security but less than building civilian ports into it.
It wouldn't have to be Iserlohn, but the more ships it could support with internal docks the better.

>>717614
I'd say go for it. We can build build the two military compounds to be separate from each other to maintain security. We control the entrances into the core of the moon while the run alliance bases would be around the equator.

>>717614
Having the other Houses fund it could be worth doing. As long as they agreed it's to be a maximum security facility and took that seriously.

So if we do go through with the ambitious plan, what's the maximum size of we could make it? And how big of a fleet would it be able to reliably hold off? Well, perhaps a better question would be how well it would have done against the invasion fleet that attacked it originally.

>>717614
>Iserlohn
With the recent advent of more easily available siege weapons I'd like to avoid investing resources in immobile stuff beyond a certain size. I can understand upgrading the moon with more defences as time goes on but considering its only one or two v-torps away from raining down on Rioja, I would prefer not going past the point where it can take on heavies.

Why not build ftl movable semi mobile stations and factory ships that can be hidden in or close to the various hazard zones in the run instead if an enemy should manage to actually invade the run again?

Also, with all the rebuilding required in faction space in general, wouldn't a second (or more) anchorage class ships, or something equivalent, be a smart investment?

>>717492
The beauty of them being spherical is that they can be ball-joint mounted in place to allow for movement much like a human should joint.

>>717672
shoulder joint*
I wonder why I didn't notice this.

>>717665
Factory ships are a bad idea. Either they're huge and slow like the Anchorage, thus incredibly vulnerable to any fast ship and require a large escort or there's a bunch of smaller ones that are fast but even more vulnerable if they're caught than the large ships and would be inefficient at their job. We've also proven ourselves that a determined enough force can find any ship trying to stay hidden.

Essentially the plan necessitates raising another fleet, and since we're so close to our supply limit already, need to work on getting our current fleet back up to full strength, and the House is having serious manpower problems, it just isn't viable.

And I don't think an Anchorage is a better investment. The moon is the main space based defense of the planet. It has to be fixed, whether it's the cheap or expensive way. We need a large installation to coordinate the defenses and hold supplies. Along with SOMETHING that can at least slow down a super heavy long enough for the fleet to get there. There's no point in even having defenses if they can't actually defend the planet because the supers just sat out of their range and blew them all up and the moon is the best bet in that regard. They have to deal with it if they want to take the planet. And since Rioja's value is mostly in its strategic position to one end of the Run, and not something more substantial like major manufacturing or a more vital choke point, I doubt Bonrah would use V-Torps on it. Especially since not even the Ruling House or Ber'helum has a substantial amount.

>>717614
>Keep in mind that some of your allied Houses in the Run are still wary if your increasing power and at times a bit jealous.

There is probably a better location in an Allied House's space for a joint command center, which could also win us some points.

>>717665
>avoid investing in immobile stuff beyond a certain size

I have to agree.

>movable semi mobile stations and factory ships
we've had long arguments over these ideas before.

>a second (or more) anchorage class ships
iirc, Anchorage class ships aren't available to us? (Exodus-only production these days?)
But we hold that Exodus production license that lets us build their stations and those Exodus transports/construction ships that can hold an Exodus module (or other production module?)

I recall getting an answer from TSTG once that a small squadron or so of those ships could allow our Anchorage to work faster on construction jobs and then they smaller ships could do finish work while it moved on?

>>717645
>And how big of a fleet would it be able to reliably hold off? Well, perhaps a better question would be how well it would have done against the invasion fleet that attacked it originally.
The ability of a fortress to hold off an attack will often be reliant upon the presence of a defending fleet. Even a small one. In many ways they could be thought of more as a localised force multiplier.
It would be difficult to build a fortress that could have held off the Nasidum fleet without a supporting fleet of its own.

As for how many ships it could hold in dock, no idea. That would have to be worked out.

>>717665
>I would prefer not going past the point where it can take on heavies.
The old defenses would have been able to deal with heavy cruisers, several of them. Less if they were armed with siege weapons mind you.

>Why not build ftl movable semi mobile stations and factory ships that can be hidden in or close to the various hazard zones in the run instead if an enemy should manage to actually invade the run again?
The moment you add FTL systems the complexity of a design is increased by an order of magnitude. Your best bet would be to build a factory/ support platform designed to be transported by Ceres Heavy Asteroid Tugs.

I guess you could try to use the wreckage from that one station in the spit that was destroyed so you'd have a starting point.

Anyways, this kind of platform would find itself competing with the regular modular stations, which can be broken down and moved. Both have their strengths and weaknesses.

>Also, with all the rebuilding required in faction space in general, wouldn't a second (or more) anchorage class ships, or something equivalent, be a smart investment?
Potentially.

>>717712
>movable semi mobile stations and factory ships
>we've had long arguments over these ideas before.
Oh right.

>Anchorage class ships aren't available to us?
Mostly because their hull design is horribly outdated. Exodus continues to use them because its cheaper and easier to keep them in operation doing civilian work than to replace them. They do have newer heavy construction ship designs that aren't as badly outdated but again they're not intended for combat.

Lots of thunder here. We'll see if I lose power.

>>717665
I happen to like fortifications.
>Why not build ftl movable semi mobile stations and factory ships that can be hidden in or close to the various hazard zones in the run instead if an enemy should manage to actually invade the run again?
Ugh, please no.

>>717765
>I happen to like fortifications.
With every new heavy cruiser design mounting several siege cannons, I'd assume people in-universe did as well.

>>717743
Wait, we didn't have a defense fleet? I've only been able to catch the last thread and this one live.

Why didn't they make a defense fleet? That's like Defense Planning Step 1: Make sure the base has help. Naval Bases have a small fleet to help protect them, Air Bases have squadrons dedicated to defending the base.

How about we make sure to hash one out as soon as possible? Would we be able to get a new Admiral under our command? Tama's more useful helping us command the main fleet and I don't think anyone else under our command has the necessary experience. I don't recall Day ever commanding more than a Wing.

>>717778
And it's been a while since I went through the archive. I don't remember too many details.

Don't know why I forgot to say that. Maybe it was because I was so confused that nobody suggested having ships defend the base.

>>717773
You're underestimating the defensive power of the shields that stations have. Planets have shields strong enough to survive for days to weeks of constant bombardment and they have to extend their shields way farther than we would on our moon.

>>717778
I think in this conflict no defense fleet worked in our favour. Staying mobile and active meant they couldn't slam us with the Fortress and escort supers.

>>717778
You and your allies had committed all of your combat capable warships and reserves to a large battle shortly before the enemy attacked Rioja. The plan then was to avoid another fleet engagement until there had been time to effect repairs and your forces could engage them at something approaching parity.

Most ships at Rioja had to hastily help other damaged ships that had recently been towed there escape to another area. Considering they were facing more than 10,000 enemy ships the few hundred damaged ones present may not have been able to make much immediate difference.

Those ships of yours that escaped were later repaired and contributed to later actions.

>>717778
>>717786
We mobilized pretty much -everything- with FTL drives and guns for the strike on the enemy supers early on. So when the enemy yolo'd Rioja the only thing defending the stations were the dozen or so stl craft the governor has under his command, and I wouldn't be surprised if those few ships were simply parked on the planet instead of throwing them at the enemy with no effect.

>>717792
I always assumed planetary shields work that well partially because the FA members aren't allowed keep shooting their weapons at full power at a planet with habitable atmosphere past a certain point. Otherwise they're violating that one treaty. That's not really a problem with stations.

>>717794
OK, you seem to misunderstand something. We have a planet to defend, it's our job as Baron. Planets are immobile relative to ships. Therefore we can't be completely mobile. We can keep our main fleet mobile, that's a good idea, but compromising the defense of our planet is just plain idiotic.

Think of it this way, a King wouldn't remove all of his soldiers from a castle because a mobile strategy was a good idea. You wouldn't remove an Air Base's CAP squadrons because they'd be more effective elsewhere. Unless you abandoned the base but I doubt we're ever going to just abandon Rioja.

>>717802
So we just got screwed by chance huh? I still think a dedicated defense fleet would be a good idea once we have the supply to support it and our main fleet. I doubt having to defend against a full fleet with a Mobile Fortress is a terribly common thing. We don't have to plan a fleet size around that. Just enough to make the moon an effective slowing measure would be more than fine. Defenses aren't the best thing ever, but effective ones are necessary and they don't always have to be designed to stop the enemy outright, just slow them down enough.

>>717818
Remember that one station could actually tank a glancing hit from a massive mobile fortress even after extending their shield beyond optimum.

>>717835
I think we could make the moon capable of holding out even against 10:1 odds for extended periods.

>>717844
Did you miss the first part of >>717743 ? TSTG said fortresses rely on defensive fleets and I agree. Every base needs its equivalent of a basic soldier to help defend it. Like I said, all Naval Bases have small fleets to help defend the base and all Air Bases have squadrons who's sole job is to defend the base. I imagine space based defenses work the same.

This is by no means meant as a final vote, just to get an idea what people in thread are thinking. Then we can move in that general direction.

Pick two.

a) Repair Moon & defenses. Some upgrades. (Future upgrades more difficult)
b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades
c) Expand moon. Internal docks, defense upgrades & Civilian ports
d) Expand with Run Alliance. Focus on additional docks
e) Expand with Run Alliance. Balance firepower & support
f) Expand with Run Alliance. Focus on firepower

g) Semi mobile fleet support stations / (Super) Heavy Carrier?

>>717878
>e) Expand with Run Alliance. Balance firepower & support
>b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades

>>717835
>>717862

In this case, a strategic choice was made to withdraw all mobile fleet elements in order to engage in a decisive battle at a later point.

If there had been a defensive fleet, it also would have been withdrawn in favor of winning the campaign.


>>717878
b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades

>>717878
I'd like to vote
>e) Expand with Run Alliance. Balance firepower & support
but before I do is there a better location for a headquarters instead of Rioja? And would the other Houses agree such a base would be important to the defense of the Run? If there is and they do I vote
>b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades

>>717878
>[x] b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades

Eventually we're going to want to produce Heavy Plasma weapons in the moon along with the Cooling systems, so we might as well go large and expand it to the very limit.

>[x] g)

>>717878
>d) Expand with Run Alliance. Focus on additional docks
Shields and Ships win wars

>>717862
a stationary position is a force multiplier not a combatant. I believe that with proper upgrades the moon would be able to hold off 10k ships with 1k thanks to shields, resupply and weaponry.

>>717887
In that situation, yeah, they had their entire fleet and the Mobile Fortress attack it. But that's probably not going to be a common thing. And the defense fleet doesn't have to be large, TSTG said that. So the ships wouldn't make a big difference in a battle with a fleet big enough to take the entire Run.

I don't get why you're so set on not defending the planet properly. We may as well not even have the moon base then.

>>717897
Oh, that's what you meant. I thought you meant the moon on it's own. My bad. Sorry about misunderstanding.

>>717878
>b
>g

>>717926
Nah I get you.

http://www.strawpoll.me/11379001

Looks like people are inclined towards
>b) Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades

Shoot, I didn't think to add the suggestion for a second moon.

>>717889
>but before I do is there a better location for a headquarters instead of Rioja?
That depends on what sort of features you're looking for. Do you want the HQ to also serve as a support base for the fleet?

Would you want it to be far from the trade lane to make it hard for enemies to reach the fleet commanders, or closer so the Barons themselves can quickly deploy to lead the fleets?

>>718002
>That depends on what sort of features you're looking for

Personally, I'd think that a fleet HQ would serve as a major support base for the fleet, and be far enough from the trade lane (say 1-2 jumps) that you're able to deploy things like mine fields without blowing up trade ships by mistake.

Ideally, it would also be in a system where fuel can be produced, or some other resource for the fleet is located.

>>717996
>people voting for Darrow
Shit taste confirmed. Svidur is the one true husbando

>>718002
I figured one of the most important thing was it coordinating the defenses of all the Houses in the Run Alliance and to make sure everyone knows the situation everywhere else and always get important and up to date information. We're really only doing it ad-hoc now, between Sonia and the other top leaders of the other Houses. So basically a glorified, high security communications post/strategic command to centralize all important information. Each House sends info they think the other Houses need to know and the base gets it to the other Houses. Having it support fleets and defend itself would also be important. It would be a massive target. We could even force a fleet engagement around it if we ever got desperate.

>>717130
Supporting these.

>>717996
>versa is best waifu
AI carrier when?

>>718101
>>717130
I feel compelled to point out that we're going to get a second planet in a few years. Any moons probably will be needed to be used by that planet.

>>717878
>Expand moon. Internal docks, defense upgrades & Civilian ports

>>718112
When all the Terrans spontaneously die of heart attacks and everyone in the Dominion is suddenly also controlled by anons.

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>>718017
>>718031
In that case it's how to balance cost with the support and defensive capabilities.

The asteroid forts in the Avoubic system would offer the best protection but it tends to get quite a bit of civilian traffic. Or it did previously. The locals also might not want you converting their homes into a permanent military HQ.
If you're willing to put up with several million irate civilians it's your best bet.

House Trin'qua has a colony that is a couple of jumps from Avoubic. It might be a good location. The fuel refineries would need work but its easy enough to take care of. There hasn't been a serious need for an upgrade.
RSS could be contracted to build an station similar to the one at Surakeh, though it would be focused more on supporting large quantities of ships.
As a result defense would be lower than at the other locations, though this could be augmented with shield platforms. Fleets would be able to launch from it quickly.

>>718118
the colony looks okay. it also has a nebula right beside it to hide things in!

>>718118
I dunno, how would the other Houses feel about pissing off those people? I'm more concerned about how and where we're going to move them.

Stupid idea:
We offer to let them own a tiny bit of land on Rioja. Just the land their house is on. Or maybe a half acre to a full acre.

>>718118
I want to station it in the moon

>>718118
Let's not forget that the idea was to get them to finance things that would have otherwise been coming out of our own pocket.

>>718132
Wait, I'm being dumb. We can't take citizens from Trin'qua. Oh well, I didn't actually want to go through with the plan.

>>718118
>>718149
I was thinking after we found out if most people actually wanted to set up a central HQ (which I'll admit I'm not 100% about, more like 45 or so) we could ask for finances from the other houses to help beef up Rioja's moon as a sort of forward base. Basically they pay us to be the main outpost of the region and one of the first people on the chopping block if there's an attack from the opening Rioja's on or if the offensive reaches there and we get to improve the defenses.The other members of the Run Alliance refuel and rearm military and government ships at the base for seriously reduced cost (and in a limited amount) while the Run's relatively peaceful and for free if there's another attack. I was afraid they might demand to be part of the garrison on the moon if we ask for money though.

>after we found out if most people actually wanted to set up a central HQ
With extensive damage to stations and facilities as a result of the invasion the meeting with the Barons doesn't start out with much unity of purpose.

Baron Kelly of House Trin'qua seems to be trying to minimize the squabbling, but as his House didn't take as much damage to its colonies some of the others are reluctant to listen. You of course are an easy target for criticism but Fadila quietly warns you not to respond.

When things have calmed down you give your proposal for a headquarters for the combined defense of the Run to better coordinate efforts in the future. There is agreement that better communications are always necessary. Those that fought harassment actions within the Run after the Nasidum fleet began to occupy it share their experience and how best to set up more sturdy and discreet communications infrastructure.

The sensor arrays largely survived thanks to the system Daska Rna put in place to make it more difficult to locate them. The logs downloaded since the region was secured showed the routes enemy units were more likely to rely upon and possibly where to set up minefields or other defenses in the future.

That part of the meeting is a success, deciding on safer locations to position a fleet base to work with that system is more difficult.

"I think we should rely on more mobile facilities that can be quickly relocated." stresses Khyor Binil.
"Yes."
"No!"
"Absolutely not."

Which immediately kicks off arguments again.

Houses Kadnil, Trin'qua and Kuadneos support the idea of establishing a larger fleet base. House Binil and Pantaq do not.

This isn't a huge surprise as Baron Kelly has a chance to end up with a new station above one of his House colonies. You were hoping House Pantaq would support it but they must have their own reasons.

>>718407
is this a wat do?
in any case then let them speak away why they don't like the idea.

>>718407
How mobile are we talking about?
Can move within hours, days or weeks?
Anything faster than that would be pointless since it would just be another command ship with a supply problem.
I suppose we could just jam all these people into city ships and become star nomads if you want to remain mobile.

>>718407
Even the Barons on your side are reluctant to annoy or displace civilians in the Avoubic system after the help they provided in the recent fight.

Proposals to expand the base at Rioja is met with expected levels of criticism. The others don't want you with more firepower under your command in the region. Not on their coin at least.

Binil puts the question to you. "You have two Super Heavy cruisers and a Heavy Carrier taking orders from you. How much more do you want?"

>What say?

>>718489
My house has two super heavies and a heavy carrier. I have no real control for how long they will remain in the Run. A more permanent facility run in concert will however permanently increase the safety of the entire stretch by acting as bulwark against anyone coming from the western(?) corridor.

>>718489
Mass of firepower isn't the issue at this point, being able to sustain fleet operations in the face of another attempt at enemy occupation is.

The guys pushing for mobile assets have a point, if the enemy brings a bigger fleet than ours we can't expect to hold fixed strategic assets for very long. If anything the central command should be a capital ship.

>>718489
As much as we can have, obviously. Any one of them would do the exact same thing in our position.

And I don't see why they have such a problem with this, we're allied to them. We couldn't betray any of them, even if we wanted to.

Plus we're making ourselves the biggest target (even though we probably were already) and giving them super cheap fuel. They'll make their money back on the savings of not having to pay full price eventually. It's not like they can't negotiate the monthly/yearly amount with us. Or that they couldn't do the same thing once the economy's back on track. We had the idea first, so we get to go first.

>>718514
I disagree. if the enemy brings a bigger fleet we need to have a good force multiplier that the enemy HAS to fight to control the area. The last time it was a combination of the slow Cannon and the static Avoubic station
>>718507
I just realized they meant the mercenaries.
I support letting the Run Alliance buy the rest of the contract in tandem if they so wish.

>>718531
*fuel and munitions

The ammo's a really important part. They need a bigger incentive then "it might help one day."

Maybe we could also throw in some sort of emergency clause to the deal? Like if one of their Houses is going through some turmoil and we can't help they can get the fuel and ammo for free then. Or on some sort of lend-lease deal.

Maybe even extend it to all of our bases, both when it's peaceful and not? We'd need to limit the per-transaction amount then, can't have them taking an entire bases supply.

>>718551
Oh they are. I'd be willing to extend the contract to them. We should probably tell them they'll want higher rates than our contract since we have a proven history with them IF IT'S RELEVANT. If the other Houses don't actually see the original contract then we don't tell them that.

>>718564
No I mean they'd be buying our current contract with them. It would probably end with Sonya actually being richer than at the beginning of the invasion (again) though renegotiation after the current contract ends they could raise their price.

>>718584
That would be better. We might not need the contract anyway. TSTG, is this the same contract that says they can't take hostile action against us? If it is we'll need to make a new contract for that.

>>718598
>TSTG, is this the same contract that says they can't take hostile action against us?
Any of the contracts that resulted in them getting anti-torpedo armor upgrades had that stipulation.

>>718611
Alright then, that's good. I doubt they would have a reason to, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

"Mass of firepower isn't the issue at this point, being able to sustain fleet operations in the face of another attempt at enemy occupation is. Besides, any one of you would do the exact same thing in my position and try to get as many big ships as you can."

That a few of them have picked up heavy cruisers as part of their salvage claims seems to be a point in your favour on that front.

"I'm not the head of my House, nor do I want that job. Because of that I have no real control over how long ships like the Forbearance will remain in the Run. A more permanent facility operated in concert will however permanently increase the safety of the entire stretch by acting as bulwark against anyone who threatens the Run.

As for the Mercenaries, I would support letting the Run Alliance buy the rest of their contract in tandem if you so wish."

"Wouldn't selling their contract benefit you more than anyone?" asks Garn Erid. "The Mercenaries continue to guard the region just as they would have while you get money from us to pay for the armor you gave them."

"It would give all of us a say in where and how they're deployed." Kadnil points out.

"True."

Binil tries to get everyone back on topic about the base.
"Building a station in Trin'qua space would be the cheaper option, we admit that. Fortifying Rioja's moon, which is more expensive, would create a situation where the defenses at either end of the Run are lopsided. An enemy would then be inclined to attack the stations manned by House Pantaq."

"Exactly." agrees Garn. "We would take the brunt of it again. I'll agree as well that we need more fleet facilities somewhere and Trin'qua may be the better bet. It's not mobile and may be vulnerable, but it could support enough fleets from farther back to buy us time.

On the other hand to fund your expansion of the base at Rioja we would need a commitment from your House, not just you, to assist in the creation of a similar fortress to guard the other end of the Run. It wouldn't need to be built immediately, but some day."

You're not sure if you want to commit those sort of resources. Both sides have had chance for counter arguments.

You could pledge to support the more accepted but less heavily defended House Trin'qua station.

Expand the Rioja moon base Internal docks & defense upgrades like you planned without the Run Alliance and encourage them to work on another fleet base.

Expand your moon base with the help of just those Barons supporting you. Or make a long term agreement to build up better defenses at both ends of the Run.

[ ] House Trin'qua Fleet Base
[ ] Expand moon. Internal docks & defense upgrades (No help from others)
[ ] Expand Rioja moon base without House Binil and House Pantaq
[ ] Expand Rioja moon base with Run Alliance. Agreement to help with other Run defenses

You could also hold off and promise to discuss matters with Count Jerik.

>>718837
>[x] House Trin'qua Fleet Base

Distribute eggs to more baskets

>>718837
>[X] House Trin'qua Fleet Base

This Alliance stays together when we treat them like allies, not vassals.

>>718837
Wait, they're not willing to go with the crowd funding idea I had, where each House could make a similar request? That was really the backbone of the entire thing. I figured it would be more of a "I'm just the first" thing than a "just pay me it'll help" thing. Maybe I should've explained it.

I figured each House could request to get help fortifying/expanding a strong point in their space, whichh is solely run by them. It would sort of be like satellite networks from the HQ, which I'm assuming would be joint run by all the Houses. There would have to be time between each request obviously.

Maybe all the leaders as a group could decide if it actually helped the Alliance as a whole, and which was the most strategically important? This would probably piss off any House that doesn't isn't important in a strategic positioning sense though, since they wouldn't get anything. Maybe the cheap fuel and munitions would only go to Houses that didn't get a base? That way each could decide if they liked supplies or bigger bases more.

Oh well, it doesn't really matter.

>[X] House Trin'qua Fleet Base

>>718921
*satellite networks to the main hub of the HQ

I was going for an analogy. I don't know why I stopped half way through.

>>718837
[ ] House Trin'qua Fleet Base

For now, I'd like to go with the fleet/firepower upgrades to Rioja's moon at a later time as well.

>>718921
>>718935
Sorry that I didn't really catch on. Was up early so I'm fading.
See you guys in the morning.

Oh and roll 5d20 for a thing.

Rolled 12, 18, 1, 4, 6 = 41 (5d20)

>>718837
>[x] House Trin'qua Fleet Base

>>718974
Dice

Rolled 12, 1, 12, 3, 3 = 31 (5d20)

>>718974
It's fine man. I don't think I haven't made a spelling/grammar error in any post for the last 2 hours.

I wonder how well my idea would've worked though. I'll admit it wasn't very thought out. I kept coming up with new ideas as I made it.

Rolled 15, 16, 14, 11, 1 = 57 (5d20)

>>718974
don fail me dice!

Rolled 1, 17, 13, 3, 16 = 50 (5d20)

>>718974
Late dice are late...

15, 18, 14, 11, 6
Could be worse.

Vista winning the waifupoll, what a shock

>>719061
I know, right? Svidur's the best husbando, hands down.

Poor Eldal never stood a chance.

>>719072
Unfortunately you're factually wrong.

The best candidate is Darrow.

>>719184
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I didn't think anyone actually had taste that shitty.

>>719184
Who the hell is Darrow, again?

>>719292
House Phobos Knight Commander who sent us a Neeran Corsair Attack Cruiser as a gift.

>>719184
NO.
we will begin the human revolution with Versa!

oh yeah, I just remembered the idea I had while catching up.

TLDR: a scrap cannon upgrade package. additional attachments including more repulsers and rails, a STC for mass driver impactors that will build it out of suitable materials onboard the ship, and finally electronics upgrades to give fine control to the mass driver, run programs for the processor, and hold the data for downloaded impactors.

so. let me explain. iirc SRL supers can install up to 4 mass drivers. huge ones. but they just fire literal scrap. it's still dangerous, but there could be a better way to do it. so here's how this upgrade package works.

First, our researchers will make blueprints of impactors. be it completely solid, hold warheads, whatever it is. the blueprint however won't specifically state which material is to be used, only which part need to be harder/softer/ect.

Then, this is then saved as a specific penetrator blueprint file that can be purchased. when installed into the new electronics it will work in tandem with the ship's native systems and take count into how many and what resources it is currently holding. including scrap that has been processed, selecting which resource should be used on what part of the impactor.

And then, the rounds are produced. to ensure safety and increased effectiveness, newly installed additional rails and repulsors will assist in guiding the impactor with more force and stability. the electronics upgrade package is involved here as well to account for the increased requirement for all the calculations involved.

Thoughts? if anything I think this could be a real boon for getting friendly with the SRL, and could make scrap cannons as a serious, legitimate armament for other SHCs.

>>717996
>no chen
>no bekka
>no linda
>no troy harmen
Gee, anon

>>719810
give up.
versa is the best

>>719777
I preferred the idea of drillships digging into supers.

The big appeal of scrap cannons is their ease of use and ability to use improvised ammo as it were.

Your proposal seems way too complicated for what it's worth.

>>719846
well, this is intended to be an upgrade instead of a brand new model. if someone can afford scrap cannons, I'm sure that they won't have problems for the cost of addons.

SP Veckron beams when

>>718407
>House Binil and Pantaq do not.
>You were hoping House Pantaq would support it but they must have their own reasons.

Can we ask them why?

>>718837
>Expand Rioja moon base without House Binil and House Pantaq