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Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security, so 21 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on worker drones and the hell-mouth. Your military grant is focused on heavy tank designs.

You are not tracking enemy teams. TOL is starting to disengage from the Internet as it dwindles in territorial reach.

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Heavy tanks. Current civilian focus: Robotics.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

# Maintain tracing.

C 2

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Pacifica starts at 3/5.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).

# SPECIAL: Add a second base structure in Rome immediately.

>>1109937
>Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Heavy tanks. Current civilian focus: Robotics.
bubble shields and cloaking tech, 2 cabals each.
>Recruit a new cabal.
5 cabals.
>Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.
Is this the option to take over Pacifica?

>>1109954

Taking over Pacifica will have to be done over a few years.

> C 2
> # Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Pacifica starts at 3/5.

>>1109937
># Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
9 Cabals. Australia, east europe, Pacifica.
Zak

># Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.
Four Cabals.
Martial artist. Part of their training will be to go to the dwarven mines and acquire weapons through labor.
Ithuriel.


># Build aerospace parts. * Large ship construction
The reach, four Cabals. Jeb.

>Kat and Damien produce more knockout gas for GJ. The last four Cabals.

>>1109937
Op, I don't mean to question your math but looking at your Cabal numbers you say that

"You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security"

Yet we apparently only have 21 available, when by my count we should have 23.


Plan

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Pacifica starts at 3/5.

4 cabals, get on it now.

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

16 cabals, we need to get working on our army.

The automated base should produce aerospace parts.

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.
Also, how many more cabals would we need to assign to finish the automated base on the moon?

>>1110617

You're absolutely right on the math.

The Moon base factory will require 5 turns to complete without rushing it (2 cabals handling small launches, coordination and so on)

>>1110564
>>1110617
>>1109954

Hmm. Looks like we got some plans here.

>>1110636
I would argue my plan is for the best, we regain control of Pacifica, get 4 units of infantry from the unhappy population / revolutionaries and get uninterruptible internet in the area to stop this happening again in future.

We also prepare for my plan for next turn, which is to quickly rush out a automated base on the moon and just have it churn out colony / industry parts.

Meanwhile we design the Lunar Magnetic Launch Rail, find a suitable site and get ready for construction.

This is backed by us sending as many population units to mars and the moon. So that they can grow as quickly as possible.

We can completely populate the moon and mars for 32. So effectively two turns of the current rate of production would see the colonies fully populated.

Admittedly this costs us 7 cabals for planet-side operations but those can be replaced.

>>1110663
That's fine lets do that also throw in Romania revitalise

>>1110663
Alright but our recruits that become martial artist have to get their dwarven weapons, then need to fight and kill angels and those will make it easier.

>>1110739
>>1110780
I see no problem with these two goals, assuming they fit into the production plan.


Personally I fail to see why we are fighting so hard for the earth, given that most of the people there by the end of year 1000 after TOL and us experience heavy losses will be technically illiterate, religious and useless to us but oh well.

>>1110807
Because you fight for your home.

>>1110841
True.


If that is the case, then we should truly see about improving our methods. Currently we control a minority of the world's lands and people, if we had more direct control we would sustain a higher "resting point" for our cabal numbers and would have more resources under our command.

>>1109937
I'm backing >>1110564

>special situation, put friday in a MEC and work magic to bring him back to data pump

>>1110919
That will not work unless the qm rolls a nat 100 in our favor.

>>1110921
Never tell me the odds!

>>1110923
Too late, I just did.

>>1110925
Doing it anyway. Praise the machine god

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(At work, sorry for sporadic responses. Given how frikkin weird dice have been, though...)

>>1110919
>>1110921
>>1110923

You're not dead until you're warm and dead, and while Friday's body (most of it) was delivered on ice, it had been dead for quite some time. There's also the matter of a single, heavy caliber pistol bullet having gone right through the skull; your biotechnicians have made a point of keeping up with actual miracle workers in the past, but there's a limit, and they are pretty sure that this particular case has hit it. There's also the problem that MEC resurrection has to happen quickly because, brain death aside, exposure to more than a few seconds - maybe a minute or two - of Hell pain is sufficient to drive one insane. This did not happen to you simply due to the highly distributed nature of your neural network, although your systems registered heavy imbalances when you interfaced with Yahweh after accidentally gaining something like a soul due to people worshiping you.

Nevertheless, a MECpod is prepared and your people call in the best available Tree Of Life bio-vizier, who identifies herself simply as Fran.

>>1110939
All we want is the memories anyway we cna just recover those.

>>1110617
Still supporting. We have to stop the jamming anyways.

>>1110939
If it's not possible there's an alternative project. We can attempt a "ghost calling" get Friday into his body for five minutes or something. We possibly have the narative weight to pull it off.

>>1110939
(Sorry!)

The result is technically alive, but unable to really interface with anyone in any human fashion. Fran announces that since it didn't work you get a freebie. During and after the procedure, the bits of the last Friday that didn't make it into the MECpod are autopsied with some rigor, and you discover that apparently the TOL officer is drugged to the gills with a precisely doesd mixture of uppers and downers administered through their metabolic extension controller variant. Since they seem content to go to hell at 100, they seem to have used this method to reduce or eliminate the need for sleep or rest. A quick call to the moonbase doctor indicates that the former TOL soldiers and officer there have been given roughly the same stuff, albeit of a lower quality; he's having to treat them for amphetamine addiction (which, given that they are still prisoners, has mostly meant a bit of weed to help with sleep and a lot of manual labor).

>>1110952

Well, you have a live body (or a live sack of organs anyway) and a "hellmouth" that hasn't really done much other than get your Hell nodes on a mobile cart and generate a lot of scare stories; it can be tried. The main issue is that about sixty percent of the brain is plumb gone, replaced with supergoo and light pipe just to keep what's left connected to itself.

>>1110957
May as well fix up the corpse in some half mechanical fashion, paint it with runes and other stuff. And try to summon a damned soul.

Yes, I did just advocate for making a warforged.

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>>1110963

Admittedly, fixing up Friday so that he's bipedal and can obey simple commands would be a really good way to scare the shit out of anybody who might think about crossing you; there's precedent in your datalinks, albeit only under Fiction.

http://www.taleswapper.net/movies/dogwalker/story.html

What stiffly walks itself to the hellmouth is Friday's MECpod, carried by what's left of his limbs helped by some synthetic muscle, carrying a life support backpack and wearing a suit intended to keep his guts in, but which gets ripped apart pretty quickly by the stiff gait. Your intelligence specialists are filming the whole thing just because of the sheer intimidation value it might have; if you wanted to show that you can concoct something worse than Hell, you have succeeded.

>>1111004

Results are inconclusive: during the ritual, the abomination that was Friday is linked to your Hell nodes. It screams. Loudly. The only hint you have that it might have regained some sort of sapience comes from the fact that it has repeatedly punched its own head down into the MECpod jar, and even that may just have been a stray neural pulse actuating its elbow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJIjNs_s2NI

The entire episode from you ordering Friday's reconstruction to the abomination falling facefirst into a pit of past-due organs, surrounded by demonic imagery, after crushing its own head into its chest jar was recorded in 360 degree 3D video at high resolution, ensuring that should you ever need to frighten someone with something worse than the Lake Of Fire, you have the ability to.

"Omega" one of your sysadmins asks "are we the bad guys?"

Rolled 14 (1d100)

>>1111016

# Let this leak out.

# Share a copy with Sunday.

# Keep this under wraps.

>>1111033
# Keep this under wraps.


The hell-gate program has been a huge waste of resources...

>>1111054

So it would appear; it did get a bit of useful research done. Leaked footage of earlier experiments found their way into some pretty metal music videos, though, so it's not all bad.

For now, the video is classified and put into offline storage. Your psychologists estimate that showing someone that when they are already in an alerted state, such as during an interrogation, will terrify them more than the threat of Hell itself. One of them wonders about the effects of using neurostimulation and various perceptual tricks to "send to Hell or worse" a believer or even a Glorified.

>>1111016
"I try not to think about it, but as long as we're trying this to rescue the damned, I don't think so."

>>1111071
Onto the turn.

>>1111076

What is the current plan for +980? The Friday issue has taken some of your people's time, but not significantly so; it was basically one more Heavy MEC operation, plus a van trip. You have also learned that Tree Of Life has, at least experimentally, sufficient technology to allow someone to graft functioning extra arms.

>>1111082


Still backing this.>>1110617 with martial artist working under the dwarves to gain their dwarven weapons.

>>1110564
^backing this still

>>1111082

I'm back.

>>1111094
>>1110617

Which territory will you launch the MK2 Sky Eyes into?

Which territory will you try to spread your influence into?

>>1111103

Hmm. Anti, looks like someone is backing your proposal even though you changed your mind. I think a round of negotiation is in order.

Speaking of negotiations, near the beginning of the year Urist sends you a flawless marble slab with a note.

"Your tunneling machines have been oiled and cleaned, and wait for you in Night City; you have my people's thanks. Also, Ithuriel tells me that it would appear we do have something you want after all. Will you grant an audience?"

>>1111127
Accept Urist audiance. And for the purpose of my proposal, I'll take the backing if >>1110663 this anon concedes.

Sky eyes should go to in order o priority. Pacifica, east Europe, Australia.

>>1111127
Grant an Audience. And he changed it?

>>1111016
So what i understand from this is that it might have been Friday communicating with the hellmouth, but he was too insane to be coherent.
Or that a muscle malfunctioned.

>>1111155
Actually I think we can try it again with a rune marked robot skeleton. No human components. We either get lucky or we finally have to change our methods for breaching hell.

>>1111169
Well i already made 2 more plans to breach hell, it's just that they are expensive.
>Make a drill, cover it with runes and open the hellmouth so we dig to hell.
>Capture an angel and stab it in the hearth/chest with a sacrificial knife then trow the body into the blood pit.
Now i have another idea after reading the Friday thing but i have to ask geist a few things first
Are the hell nodes connected to our CPU's that have been sent to hell?
If we cure the hell nodes of their hell pain can we still feed them more nodes to increase their intelligence?

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>>1111153
>>1111148

(Responses will be slower, the Cassini probe is about to pass through Saturn's rings)

Last time, Urist had showed up in what his young people might consider traditional garb, gleaned from a thousand works of fantasy fiction; this time he seems to be loaded for bear, or rather Angel. The hazmat suit he's wearing manages to look good as ceremonial armor (and your spectroscopy scans indicate that it will probably take a beating from a ballistics perspective) and the neutron source, whilst less capable than the ones that Zak and Kat have come up with, looks a lot more battle-hardened. You note that Urist is still smoking to deepen his voice, or maybe to look more adult than he is.

"We have reached our own agreement with The Other Light. And the Temple priests simply would not see us. So, now it comes to you, Omega. Thank you for your tunneling machines; we've managed to develop our own, although they aren't quite as good. You will like what we've done with them."

That would probably because your primary tunnel boring system uses Azrael's scythe as a rock cutter.

"Ithuriel liked the work of our magma furnaces, I think. So maybe that is what we can trade. We would still buy Night City off you, and since it seems that the God of Blood is not interested in selling us our freedom from Him, we will be allies of convenience for the years ahead. As much as we are grateful for our birth, we would bear no debts with you, so - what is your price?"

>>1111155

That's the case. Friday's ersatz body had been stuffed to the gills with sensors, but the only thing a cursory analysis determined is that the former TOL hierarch was in great pain, great fear, and great stress.


>>1111177

That's what the hell nodes are: computing nodes that are stuck in the Hell-experience loop. Your sysadmins have tried to add CPUs to that cluster (the computers were being decommissioned otherwise anyway) and the result was immediate infection.

>>1111183
That's what the hell nodes are: computing nodes that are stuck in the Hell-experience loop. Your sysadmins have tried to add CPUs to that cluster (the computers were being decommissioned otherwise anyway) and the result was immediate infection.
Alright, so if we add CPU's it increases the intelligence of the hell nodes.
Let's try a experiment, we cure the hell nodes and then add CPU's until it's as intelligent as a dog, then tell it to bark.

>>1111183
>Ask what he has to offer us, because I dunno what we need from them? base the base their?

>>1111183
We will hold you to no debt, all we ask is that you produce blunt and blade for our melee fighters, your weapon are of the only type we have seen to defeat the arms of the god of bloods angelic forces.

(Play the clip of a dwarven weapon breaking the angelic mace.)

>>1111183
Maybe free trade and information sharing, also do show him what happened with the TOL soldiers in the Moon and the video of Fridays execution.
"I suggest you keep weary of TOL as you deal with them, they have repeatedly proven to be backstabbers."

>>1111206
We are willing to trade, in goods or labor, for these arms.

>>1111206
>>1111214
It's not just weapons we want guys, it's also armor and tools, also dwarven jewelry.

>>1111218
. . Anon, have you gone full autistic? What good is dwarven jewelery to our forces?

>>1111221
It's good trade, can improve prosperity in our territory if we buy them.
Also you seem to have ignored armor and tools.

>>1111225
Armor and tools to be determined. But the weapons we know for a fact have value.

>>1111225
And no, jewelery won make life in Pacifica better.

>>1111232
Won't!* son of a merchant!

>>1111232
Why not? it's an exotic good and foreign luxury.

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>>1111196

Urist's people have taken in the fantasy stereotype to a tee; while their magnificent stonework, which has made Night City's lower levels a sight to behold, has little strategic value, their metalwork had Ithuriel compare the sword that he received from Urist (what with the vacuum-bonded diamond edge and perfect balancing) favorably to the sword he retained from his creation.

By way of an answer, Urist offers a USB drive (covered by an ornate silver-and-orichalcum inlay) containing pictures and working drawings of any number of their weapon concepts: a quick analysis shows that while their wubbers and neutron emitters would be slightly inferior in power to your own, they're tough enough to bash a brick wall with and keep working. Every design incorporates diamond-and-steel blades, some long, some short, all equally vicious. Urist watches the video with a grin. "Ithuriel told me, so we perfected the method. You certainly are a machine: not even the TOL traders would praise my wares before you buy them, aren't you scared I will demand a higher price?"

The drive also shows concept drawings for a nuclear-powered tunneling machine that uses reactor heat to melt the rock directly, rather than to power blades or drills; that concept simply hadn't occured to your designers.

"I would have Night City now, Omega. Let it become your forge; your people can resettle under the sun, or above the firmament. From us you can expect absolute honesty if you deal fairly and absolute vengeance if you don't."

# The weapons are interesting; giving neutron sources to your melee fighters has appeal, and the blades are better than anything you've made.

# The tunnel-boring system is interesting: it's faster, and more importantly you can have more than just the one.

# For a whole city? You'll want both, or course.

# No, Urist cannot have Night City now; wait until +1001 or nothing.

# Before we discuss that, what sort of deal does Urist have with TOL?

# Before we discuss that, what happened when he talked to the priests?

>>1111246
The dwarves may have the city in exchange I'd say, but I would add the clause that the tunnels remain neutral in the matter, they are needed for ending the god of bloods reign on earth.

>>1111246
>Before we discuss that, what sort of deal does Urist have with TOL?

>Before we discuss that, what happened when he talked to the priests?

>For a whole city? You'll want both, or course. But we would of course in return, Aid in anything he needed. A mutual friendship works both ways after all.

>>1111246
>For a whole city? You'll want both, or course.
it's not just the city, it's also their freedom and automacy
Also free trade and information(Internet basically) between our citizens and theirs.

>>1111246
Also tell them about The TOL soldiers on the moon and Sundays execution of Friday.
"I suggest you keep weary of TOL as you deal with them, they have repeatedly proven to be backstabbers."

>>1111259
This, we can offer access to some of our...more secretive projects and resources.

>>1111272
This heavy mutual aid share everything we got

>>1111259
Fair enough but I would try to go easy on the questions.

>>1111276
Nah, he should't get mad. He'd probally tell us to just fuck off or something which would be totally acceptable.

>>1111259

"We took a hierarch of The Other Light on a tour of our forges. He took me on a tour of theirs. We shook hand politely and we agreed to stay out of each other's way. Sloppy slave labor... How can we work with that... that?"

>>1111269

"Backstabbers? I understand the metaphor, but to stay within it - their daggers would break against linen! No, we will not deal with The Other Light."

You show Sunday's execution. "I am somehow not surprised. The Other Light have many men in their burrows - more than you think - enough that one life is a very cheap commodity for them."

When you ask about the priests, Urist shrugs. "Strange people. They wouldn't talk to us, call us children. The next day, it was as if they'd forgotten we had called before. The day after, the same. It was like trying to talk to water chimes. Eventually, one of their elders came - and yet he kowtowed to the young-seeming men in robes! - and told us to stop playing pretend. We did not strike him in respect to his white hair and the rules of parley."

# Night City now, in return for masterwork weapons for your martial artists, and a tunneling team. Tunnels outside Night City to remain neutral. Internet access to Night City to remain unhindered and expanded to the lower levels.

# Offer a different deal.

>>1111288
>Night City now, in return for masterwork weapons for your martial artists, and a tunneling team. Tunnels outside Night City to remain neutral. Internet access to Night City to remain unhindered and expanded to the lower levels.
Might have to sweeten the deal but i think this is fine.

>>1111288
>Night City now, in return for masterwork weapons for your martial artists, and a tunneling team. Tunnels outside Night City to remain neutral. Internet access to Night City to remain unhindered and expanded to the lower levels.

>>1111288
># Night City now, in return for masterwork weapons for your martial artists, and a tunneling team. Tunnels outside Night City to remain neutral. Internet access to Night City to remain unhindered and expanded to the lower levels.
Hopefully we won't have to negotiate further.

>>1111296
>>1111299

"And so we have a deal."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0

In angular but excellent handwriting, Urist writes the simple terms on the side panel of one of your desktop towers after dislodging it; his wubber/neutron source also incorporates a small laser engraver for this purpose. Once done, he takes out a straight dagger from his belt and, effortlessly, cuts the side panel in two in a way that the edges jigsaw together. You recognize this as a reinterpretation of a medieval form of deal-sealing. In respect of your greater age, he "hands" you the slightly bigger piece.

The deal will net you better infantry weapons and another tunneling squad, but resettling enough non-dwarf citizens that dwarfs and parents of dwarfs are the majority will cost you a little, impacting Misrayim's prosperity. You decide to resettle Night Citizens

# right there in northern Africa, offsetting the loss in part.

# in Rome. At least some will probably assimilate into the new culture you're fostering there.

# in Pacifica.

(Game effects of the deal: Loss of Night City, -1 prosperity in Misrayim to pay for resettlement expenses, extra population in Nova Roma or in Pacifica or in Misrayim (+1 prosperity back), one free tunneling team and ability to make more in the future, formal alliance with the Dwarfs, one more free people on the board)

>>1111318
# in Pacifica.

>>1111318
>right there in northern Africa, offsetting the loss in part.

>>1111318
# in Pacifica

>>1111318
>in Pacifica.
>in Rome. At least some will probably assimilate into the new culture you're fostering there.
Split them.

>>1111333
Spliting them would reduce any bonus we would have gotten to nilch.

>>1111375
Alright Pacifica then.

>>1111324
>>1111332
>>1111333

You offer resettlement in Pacifica; given the recent shutdown of your informal economy there, a few people head to Italy instead. Some disperse in Misrayim or across the world. Most are convinced that you have a plan, and accept.

(So... what is the plan for +980? At this point, it must include some work done in Pacifica, whatever it may be)


The believing press treats the deal in a fairly strange fashion.

"NIGHT CITY" SHUTS DOWN, CHRISTIAN FAMILIES OPEN THEIR HOMES
(Clovis News-Journal)
Dozens of refugees have been welcomed in loving Christian homes following the long-prayed-for shutdown of the notorious hive of scum and villainy known as "Night City". Preliminary reports are sketchy, but it seems that the unsanitary living conditions and continued vice had caused what creation scientist Chaim Rozenweig, who has spent the last few years in the territory assisting with botanical reclamation, called "an epidemic of malformed children". At this time, we can only confirm that a small portion of the refugees have reached safety, but we have no doubt that the Lord will provide these unfortunates with loving homes, and we pray for their healing. Dr. Rozenweig presided a brief ceremony in which the original entrance to Night City, formerly the Wielizka salt mines, was bulldozed over; a small museum detailing the pre-Rapture history of the site will be erected on the site.

>>1111380
Better destroy or sabotage the museum.

>>1111380
Send Urist that news clip, he can use the laugh and anger.

We're going to "peacefully," remove the Pacifica police presence and end compliance to NJ law.

>>1111380
>>1111402

Urist confirms, via video call, that they have collapsed the first two levels and will simply avoid building tunnel entrances in the vicinity. They will settle in for a year or so before allowing tourists in.

>>1111407

Urist appreciates the news clip and reminds his people to stick to the lower levels for a while, at least until the sensors still present in the upper levels crap out - it's not like believers are likely to replace them, even if anyone is monitoring them.

>>1111407

(What's the cabal allocation? I lost track a bit)

>>1111412
this >>1110564

>>1111417
Yeah, why not.

Instead of knockout gas the last four Cabals can be moved to Pacifica to encourage non-compliance.

>>1111436
Eh sure.

Rolled 18 (1d100)

>>1110564
>>1111436


Since the loss of Pacifica is imputable to the territory effectively getting rid of portable network connections through regulation, you decide to rectify the matter in the most direct way possible: Dr. Zakharov will spearhead the effort to launch modernized Sky Eye "boatellites" that also act as network repeaters. Data speeds won't be much better than the dialup of yore, at least to start with, but it will at least lay the groundwork for restoring a reputation economy if you go that route or, at least, free media.

The people settling in Pacifica from NC are helped to settle in and withstand the inevitable love-bombing of local believers who are overjoyed to see new possible converts; your cabals make sure that any complaint from the new arrival about the unavailability of a number of modern conveniences is met with "Well, we used to have that, but..."

Ely LeVey encourages locals to share the beauty of eternal sunshine with the new arrivals, and they do, and don't understand why people who had gotten used to a proper 24-hour circadian may not like it.

There are a few protests mainly regarding gay couples who have resettled and are made to live apart from each other; these protests in turn are met with counterprotests. Damien makes sure to deploy her drone swarm and "keep the peace" in a way that advantages freedom of movement for your people while hindering the believers; in one notable incident, members of a police squad sent to arrest a woman for having kidnapped a CPS officer who was taking away her child due to "moral turpitude" are themselves arrested by Damien's drones.

When the drones are informed that they have no authority to perform an arrest, especially on state police, they simply point out the difference in mass, firepower, and nuclear fuel on board, then shut down in front of every entrance, leaving the cops and CPS worker trapped in the building until the local authorities can rustle up an excavator. A spontaneous attempt by hardline nativists to prevent the last of the Night Citizens to land in Pacifica by having the authorities shut down an airport fails by having the airship carrying them landing on a nearby field instead.

Kat takes a softer approach; she opens up an automated diner in Huntington Beach, covertly supplies friendly establishments with Misrayim-grown spices and herbs, and proceeds to put most of the local Christian competitors to shame.

These shenanigans are a break from routine in the still somewhat economically depressed territory, but you need a long-term political message for a secular Pacifica. You settle on

# capitalizing on Tree Of Life being still there and encourage biological posthumanism. Pacifica is for Proteans!

# equating a return to monetarism with the recent recession and promising a return to the recent "good old days"; hopefully this will confuse Christians' traditionalist message. Make Pacifica Great Again!

# encouraging nationalism. Pacifica Uber Alles!

# other

>>1111474

# encouraging nationalism. Pacifica Uber Alles!

We were once a great nation until interference from this Global government. No more! We will make Pacifica great again!

>>1111474

(I bet whichever quest is hogging all the high numbers run on low-is-good)

Your agents "casually pass by" the line of people moving away from the dwarf stronghold and hint to them that there are openings in the Legion of Light; quite a few take the option, especially since it means going back to Night City and working with the people they know and love as their first assignment, and have a better chance at building up money and reputation for where they will go next. The dwarfs approve; less overhead in having to teach mining safety. There is some friction about citizens returning as, effectively, trainees, but familiarity between the two groups smooths that down into a friendly, if remarkably rowdy, rivalry.

>>1110564

You decide to begin stockpiling parts as you wait for the telemetry from the interstellar probe; they will then be adapted according to need. Jeb doesn't mind mostly playing designer, and gets the job done well. He does get around to logging some zero-G time in what is by now a routine visit to the moon base; your alliance with the dwarfs means that this trip includes the first dwarf astronaut, Simon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzeeV_Dl9gw

>>1111488

A preliminary analysis indicates that the posthumanism angle will attract youth, the reverse-traditionalist MPGA approach will attract citizens over 100 with an active metabolic extension controller, and a generic nationalism angle will be just that, generic. (Or do a write in)

>>1111474
> encouraging nationalism and Biological enhancesments to better your nation!. Pacifica Uber Alles!

>>1111501

Biological posthumanism. It is more futuristic than the digital society that was there before, and it's a big Fuck You to God if we play God ourselves and do it better. Besides, it looks like Dwarfs are outside of God's radar. Maybe posthumans too?

>>1111501
>encouraging nationalism. Pacifica Uber Alles!
>All this dwarf music.
Nice, here is some more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBZ3Uw3fabo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag4tDqmMT7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeRkarm8uU

>>1111501
# equating a return to monetarism with the recent recession and promising a return to the recent "good old days"; hopefully this will confuse Christians' traditionalist message. Make Pacifica Great Again!

Alright then.

>>1111520
>>1111523
>>1111533
This is about an election we have to go after a MASS appeal, these options are going after a smaller target audience.

>>1111559
No it's not, we can't win the election because the believer candidate restricted voting to people over 100 with "Good moral character"
They basically set up a dictatorship where they decide who gets to vote, and the only way to remove this dictatorship is to replace it with our dictatorship

>>1111543
1) MPGA
1) Posthumanism
1) Nationalism
1) Nationalism + Posthumanism

>>1111533
(Music greatly appreciated!)

>>1111559
True, but what sort of message will you focus on? Remember the world is flat in more sense than the geographical, there only fortified borders are Misrayim's, and all people need to do to vote in a territory (if that territory has elections at all) is move there and let the local authorities know that they've moved. "Who do you want to encourage to move to Pacifica" is a part of your strategy: unbelievers in general, youth who want to see what's the next thing after the internet and space, or somewhat older people who already approve of your previous work.

Note that on average, since they don't die at 100 and since metabolic extension has only been a thing for the last 50 years or so, believers are much older than unbelievers still, so "older people" is relative.

>>1111572

Posthumanism, we already have a deal with the tree of life so they will help us without us having to pay for it.

>>1111592
Why are people focusing on appealing certain groups as if they can vote? They can't.

>>1111572
1) Nationalism + Posthumanism

Let's do it. All hail Pacifica.

>>1111601

OOC: because unless this turns into a shooting war in whcih case the territory goes to TOL coz they have 5 times more guns than we do, victory will come because people protest or do silly heroic things or win robin hood style contests or someone makes an epic independence day style speech. read the rest of the quest.

IC: Because people need a cause to fight for in order to be motivated!

>>1111605

switching to this

>>1111609
Alright, as long as we understand Pacifica has already become a dictatorship and trying to vote now is fruitless.

At least no matter which we choose, it will still be trying to make Pacifica great.

>>1111624
>>1111624
A dictatorship cannot stay in power if presented with a military it can't fight, they can't fight a wave of machines.

>>1111639
That is what i wanted to do, use our drone army to usurp the believer government.

>>1111605

Your campaign will appeal to nationalism, which has worked well in the past, and will also appeal to freedom of bodily expression: your representatives meet with Tree Of Life and the Underground Monorail and they both assure that you have their support. As it is, the current Pacifican government has mandate that jewelry be only worn by women (most smart jewelry has stopped working), that tattoos be covered at all times, and has offered subsidies for Millennium Force run establishments for laser tattoo removal. An attempt to root out unbelievers over 100 as "demons" was aborted without your intervention, simply because even Ely LeVey realized how this would look to the "demons"' children for the purpose of having half a hope to convert them. Tsion let it known that he found Ely's position excessively soft.

(For the record, your QM has no problem with body mods, but has none; it's just that Tree of Life had their HQ in Pacifica, so naturally they'd like to keep it)

>>1111609

I can't find your previous vote. Doesn't matter.

>>1111628

The slogan can definitely be used!

>>1111624

In the past, what worked in both Pacifica and Misrayim was first make sure that elections happen, and then win them. Subsequently, you ended up conquering Misrayim after a Glorified tried a soft coup. A Battlebots tournment was involved; ever since, one has been held in Cairo to commemorate your takeover. Some of the competitors have gone on to work on your engineering efforts.

# End year.

# Wait.

>>1111639
>>1111649

True, however, TOL might decide to get you to remove what they cannot (Glorified, mostly) and then go after you with superior numbers. Right now, your analysts would qualify it as a rock-paper-scissors situation.

If you choose to go the purely military route, you may well have to fight on two fronts; if you choose to go the purely political route, it will take forever. As usual, you will have to use various tools in your box to get an optimal strategy.

>>1111652
Political route with military grade defense. We will show our number being assailed by the Psalties and not strike against them, but our arms and armor will be there to protect and serve.

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>>1111652

Sounds sensible! If you have control of the local media, it can make a big difference who hits first.

Is this it for +980?

I think we can get people angry enough like in Misrayim, we can spark another revolt, get people to rebuke the temple, Lutheran style.

>>1111776
Yeah, think we're done.

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>>1111797

Once again, the Feast of Tabernacles this year is optimistic after the perceived closure of Night City; TOL has been relatively quiet, although they've managed to poach a couple of your space engineers - simply because your launch ramp was less busy. By the look of it they're building their own version of a canopy station, although rather than making a launch railway, they seem to be assembling some sort of large hovercraft. Part of the structure has been derived from one of your Sonic Piledriver prototypes from 20 years ago.

Chaim Rozenweig has left Eastern Europe and moved on to the American Heartland to study the unusually bountiful harvests there.

Captain Weaver seems to be going around the world following Magellan's route.

Tsion Ben-Judah is still hanging around Timbuktu, albeit on the other side of your border. Noah has finished his tour and returned home to Greater Jerusalem; Damien is surprised to receive a letter from the patriarch, expressing thanks for the nature conservation efforts.

One thing that does happen is that a startup company, JP Aerospace, develops a fairly workable "rockoon" system for quick canopy insertion; while it's about 30 years too late to make a difference in your space endeavors, Misray administrators encourage the effort. It allows for the quick deployment of Sky Eye Mk2 in the territory, not that it needs them, although it's nice to have an extra emergency channel.

This year sees the shutdown of the last aircraft manufacturing company in the Christian territories; the business produces enough spare parts to keep the few airliners left operating, and then quietly folds despite the recent uptick in demand.

The Temple's mood is triumphalistic after Night City is "evacuated", but your sociologists note that what may well be the last generation on Earth is numerous, and restless; there is potential there.

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Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security, so 21 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on worker drones and the hell-mouth. Your military grant is focused on heavy tank designs.

You are not tracking enemy teams but your info is fresh. TOL are now setting up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 2 aerospace parts in storage.

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Heavy tanks. Current civilian focus: Worker drones.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a Christian territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a Christian territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Start a new tunnel network or expand an existing one.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness).

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).

>>1111864
how many Cabal to get the Reach out and going already?

>>1111864
question? Can we drop orbital strikes onto all 3 of the non-noah heroes?

>>1111866

What is her destination? Titan, the asteroid belt, the Centauri system?

>>1111870

You can land 1 cabal anywhere in the world with little warning under the Sudden Transport Deployment program; this will assist an assassination attempt when warranted. If you mean just fire a rocket at them from the canopy... tricky, but doable.

Ely LeVey is a Natural, and probably not difficult to eliminate, as such - although she may become a martyr in Pacifica.

Tsion Ben-Judah will be difficult to eliminate; he did manage to kill Quinn.

> inb4 noah was being a bro

>>1111870

Chaim is a Glorified, but has been less involved on the world stage than Tsion; he's definitely a valid target if you want to risk baiting a second-tier Archangel.

>>1111879
>Still calling it STD.
Can we create a Sky Eye battleship that would launch artillery shells and Drop pods from the the canopy?

>>1111879
The Centauri System

We're not hurting Noah, his awesome.

>>1111845
We need to destroy TOLs shit up here.

>>1111889

It would require a space part, simply because it's a new project. Fortunately, your avaliability of nuclear fuel makes it a possibility, unlike the previous attempt. It wouldn't really be a battleship, more of a small cruise-missile sub.

>>1111896

You can start a straight fight, or simulate an accident on their station.

>>1111893

Your current doctrine is to wait for telemetry from the interstellar probe. If you forego that, assuming that you do not recall existing population from Luna or Mars, you will need 40 cabals to build and launch the interstellar modules, and 24 cabals to train the crew and get them to the Reach. Afterwards, the Reach can head off for its long voyage.

>>1111896
That will cause a war, the war is inevitable but it would be better if we weren't the aggressors, this is why we should build a Escort ship to protect our space assets, if a missile launches, we can intercept it and have the perfect justification for war.

>>1111864
>Six Cabals and military in Pacifica. Military to deploy on discretion

>>1111921
Kat and Jeb. Our most human.

>>1111864
How many sky eyes are up and where are they?

>>1111864
>Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.
Sky Eye artillery part.
Does launching the canopy ship take 2 cabals?
>Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Heavy tanks. Current civilian focus: Worker drones.
Bubble shields and stealth cloaks, 2 cabals each.
Don't know about the rest.

>>1111939

You have MK1 Sky Eyes on every territory, minus Greater Jerusalem and Antarctica.

You have MK2 Sky Eyes in Pacifica, Australia, Misrayim and Eastern Europe.

>>1111940

Launching the canopy ship will require a full launch; Sky Eyes are small, and can ride up on a sounding rocket, but you seem to have something sizeable in mind.

>>1111955
How many more Sky eyes is that for Mk2's?

>>1111955
It's basically a canopy ship with artillery and Drop pod launchers that will shoot form the canopy.

>>1111978
Keeping people -below- the canopy, on a ship, upside down, for days or weeks at a time seems less efficient than using the existing canopy base, traveling to the intended location by jet sled, and making a hole in the ice. Maybe something like a large hovercraft like TOL is building?

A canopy ship on the other hand has the advantage of being able to fire with no advance notice, if it's already above a target, rather than having to wait around 15 minutes for a hole in the ice to be made.

>>1112002
>A canopy ship on the other hand has the advantage of being able to fire with no advance notice, if it's already above a target, rather than having to wait around 15 minutes for a hole in the ice to be made.
This, and the ship will have it's living quarters upside down.

>>1111864
this here >>1111971 also, how many parts are jsut sitting around?

I can't draft a plan right now. But at minimum we need six Cabals in Pacifica.

>>1111971

Not sure what you mean.

>>1112038

You currently have two stacks of aerospace-rated parts in storage.

>>1112077
What nations are still without Sky Eyes Mk 2? I'm trying to see how many more we need to launch to ruin the whole 'no internet' plan.

>>1112094
We need to wait on ruining that, maybe next year after we liberate Pacifica.

>>1112094

The SE2 network is deployed in Misrayim, Pacifica, Australia, and Eastern Europe. All other territories do not have it.

The SE2 is a larger, more modern version of +960-era SE systems that doubles as a radio and TV transmitter and as a 3G WWAN access point. It's not fast, but it's reliable and will allow for things like email and blockchain transactions to happen in realtime.

>>1112120
Hey geist, do we have fiber optic cables?

>>1112143

Yes; you have a few in Misrayim and there is one connecting that territory and Night City. There's also one going across to Sicily and Rome. There was one going through the Atlantic, but it has been off for a while now.

>>1112143
Another question.
If we, through researching advanced computer tech, create another AI, can we feed this newborn AI copied memories from our RAM? would this make another Omega?

>>1112161

Yes. In fact, before the Internet was turned off in Pacifica, there were probably enough nodes to let you split in two. Your sysadmins are under standing orders to avoid this at all cost, as they predict that the two copies would fight for dominance.

>>1112170
Alright then.
What if we came to a realization that any copy of us is us due to them having the same memories as us? And with that realization, the only difference between 2 Omegas is if one would begin to develop memories and not share them with the other omega?
Would this understanding that all omegas will share memories between each other, effectively meaning that all clones are the same united being, prevent fights for dominance?

>>1112192

Your system is distribute across many thousands f nodes that synchronize when they can : the situation you describe already exists. You even still synchronize the Hell nodes, albeit infrequently; nothing to report there so far.

>>1112206
Good, does that mean becoming a hive mind made of clones possible?

>>1112222
Stop trying to become the matrix robots!!

>>1112281
No Mr Anderson.

>>1112281
Why?
Don't you want to do video related in year 1000?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXgheWHHHN4

>>1111864
>2 Cabal - Resume tracking TOL

>2 Cabal, Misrayim Ithuriel - Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

>2 Cabal, Pacifica Ithuriel/Kat - Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

>15 [5 eye bots] Cabal, - Centeral America, East American, China, Japan, Western Europa, Jeb/Damien - Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

>Deal with special situations., Get the non-glorifed protesting again.

>Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment. Army Size.

>>1112305
No, I want an instantaneous and decisive blow of state. Ala with TJ in a pickle jar.

>>1112366
But what if putting TJ in a pickle jar causes the believers to go to war with us, with God supporting them by sending angels?
Don't you want the awesome angel VS robots war?

>>1112382
We put TJ in a pickle jar, theoretically god should be in a coma. Then his "believers" should be able to be handled like normal people.

>>1112388
But in the temptation of Christ, after the Devil leaves Jesus he is ministered by angels.
Trapping Jesus might cause God to go in a coma, but it also might cause God to send an army of angels.

>>1112406
The angels would be autonomous. Likely still following their last directive.which is why we need an army of men with dwarven weapons and the armor we made.

>>1112440
>The angels would be autonomous.
Why? there is a chance trapping TJ doesn't put God in a Coma and i haven't read anything that suggests the Angels can't change their methods of fulfilling their directive.

>>1112462
Their directive would most likely be to attack the TJ containment. Which is why we would need to surround it with martial artist. And we know angels can't change their directive but they can change their means. See the earlier threads where we ran one through a testing maze.

>>1112530
Yep, this is why the angels VS robots war will happen.

>>1112555
Angels have an advantage on robots, one we can't erase in time. Humans remain the best weapons against them.

>>1110929
I'm actually kind of interested to see if we could get that value of NC bumped up enough to actually do something with it. As it was last I checked God was at 1 and everyone else was a.002 or something

>>1112600
>Angels have an advantage on robots.
The advantage can be nullified with superior numbers, superior strategies and a good number of silencer drones.

>>1112634
No, it cannot, while we have established a surprised angel can be flipped by a drone tank, surprise only works once. And drones are not able to adapt in combat as quickly as human beings can. Drones are good for fighting believers and glorified, but angels have a stronger advantage in practice.

>>1112639
>No, it cannot, while we have established a surprised angel can be flipped by a drone tank, surprise only works once.
I don't remember this, can you tell me where we tested this?

>>1112647
Thread sixteen. When we first took Ithuriel.

>>1111864
Would like to spend at least some cabals on fostering Paganism in the European area either with Roman sentiments or something.

Work to make Pacifica ours again and spread out from there to retake most of North America would love to see what Paganism would dig up in there, maybe some Machine God Shenagins.

Also finish the Reach and get it ready for its intersteller trip if we're just waiting on people to come back with data then we should get our colonies set up and ready to go.

>>1112669
I don't think you guys understand it. This might be our last chance to get people off the planet and take on NJ. We're in the last twenty years. All our actions have to be taking the task of preparing the reach, and preparing the strike force.

We could have tried doing pagan power at the 60 years remaining mark, but that is time we don't have.

>>1112685
Fine fine whatever we'll just get the military set up and finish space things and just drop a rock on the whole thingAlso did we ever get rid of that dude on mars like I am legit ok with taking him behind the chemical shed and shooting his dumbass

>>1112664
Looking at 16 and it's after the fight, i can't find anything about drones not being able to affect angels.
Is it in thread 15 cause that's missing from the archive.

>>1112690
We'll lock him in gas and suspended animation soon. we just have to keep him a secret once that happens. May be harder than it looks.

>>1112700
Possibly, it was before quinns death and during his capture.

>>1112690
>>1112701
Actually can't we have a drone kill him? I remember testing that and it worked.

Did we ever test plasma weapons?

>>1112705
Tyrant would know if we killed him, it's better to render him unconscious and then put him in suspended animation.

>>1112714
Our wubbers are the closest thing. We can only do so much with it though.

>>1112727
>Tyrant would know if we killed him.
Doesn't matter, we have tested this before and it works.

>>1112730
Yes, but by extension GJ would know we killed him, then they would physically attack the space program, after that, we would be forced to fight prematurely against both TOL and GJ. It's a loosing situation. Thus gas and bag to prevent that.

>>1112664
Alright looking at thread 14(The first one) i learned that angels can adapt.
>The minecart does a full circle - Bahira is out cold again - and the Angel follows; however, after tilting around twice, it realizes that this is counterproductive.
>The wubbers drop to a steady drum roll as they make a phalanx in front of their downed comrade; the Angel seems to have understood the change in tactics for once, and is standing over the body.
There is nothing in the fight that suggests that angels can't be hit by drones, in fact, here is a piece that suggests the opposite.
>Roughly at the same time, your drone tank positions itself in front of the Angel and fires the pneumatic ram roughly in the created being's crotch, walking backwards with some difficulty since most of the sensors are forward facing. THUNK!
>The angel is propelled a few meters into the air. You do hear a groan from the Angel through the drone's microphone, or so it sounded like, but the major result is that Ithuriel has spread its wings and is now flying towards the quarry. The drone cannot keep up on uneven terrain, and stops, signaling that the wubber may be shorted out (it's actually been sliced clean off) and that it's ready to return to the maintenance bay.
Also do we still have Francis?

>>1112738
Alright, you have a point, but i don't think we can lock him up as that would trigger an angel, can't we put the believer in a silence room and kill him like that?

>>1112794
Tyrant would detect the absence. Then target the station. See the cane and able myth. "Where is your brother"
>>1112785
And herey point still stands, it targeted the weapons and disabled it, while a hum can react to something like this fast enough a drone can't.

New drone idea, one i came up with when i though "Can we replace the wheels of our golf cart drones with legs"

Hound Drone.
Inspired by DARPA'S dog robot and wolfenstein's panzerhund.
>Basically a dog/panther robot.
>Can carry everything the golf cart drone can.
>Pneumatic ram on it's front legs.
>Jaw has the PSI power of a crocodile on steroids.(A crocodile's bite is 3,700 PSI btw)

>>1112839
>Tyrant would detect the absence. Then target the station. See the cane and able myth. "Where is your brother"
The same would happen if we gas and bag him.
>And herey point still stands, it targeted the weapons and disabled it, while a hum can react to something like this fast enough a drone can't.
We have improved our computer tech and drone designs since then and they can certainly dodge if they are piloted by us or a MEC pod.

>>1112851
Two things which are easily targeted by Tyrant's lighting bolt or starting people on fire.

>>1112864
Are you talking about the drone dodging? Cause those two things don't matter, we can design our drones with Lighting rods and i specifically remember succeeding in a plan to prevent drone engineers from lighting on fire.
It was making industrial arms that build industrial arms that build industrial arms until divine combustion couldn't happen anymore, the engineer that tested this came our of his water bubble unscathed.

>>1112847
Oh i just came up with more ideas.
Add
>Tendril/Tentacle tongue to the mouth, like a resident evil licker.
>Add a wubber to the mouth so it can use it's roar as a weapon.

>>1112851
Actually we can gas and bag a "hero" for a year. The only time an angel seemed to get sent was when we let them out of the gas chamber and allowed them to wake up, then again, it would be the first time we put a mortal believe believer in cryostasis.

>>1112909
Might want to test that here on earth before so we don't endanger the Mars colony.

>>1112911
It can be done with a single cabal and hero if the target is a day strolling normie believer.

>>1112912
Alright, sound's like a plan.

Reposting my FTL communication idea.


So i just learned something interesting, i was researching quantum stuff(Starting from quantum neural networks) and discovered this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuvK-od647c
Not only did this video help explain quantum mechanics to me, but it made me come up with an idea.
Now i didn't fully understand one thing about the video but I'm going by the assumption that
1. the law of conservation of angular momentum isn't violated.
2. knowing the spin of a particle permanently locks that spin.
This means that if one entangled particle is spin up or spin down, the other particle is the opposite.
Now my idea is FTL communications using entangled particles and it hinges on the idea that slowing down one entangled particle will cause the other to slow down as well.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-30944584
If this works, we can make a pair of entangled particles and store them in enclosed loops(Named 1) that have measurement direction, we can then measure one entangled particle's spin and know the other's spin.
let's then make another entangled particle pair and put them in another pair of loops(Named 0), then arrange the loops into a pair of 2 loops(1 and 0) and synchronize the particle's positions in the loop group, make sure that each loop group has the other's entangled particles, we then can have one loop slow down a entangled particle, the entangled particle with the opposite spin in the other loop group will slow down, making both loop group's particles desynchronized, with one entangled particle ahead of the other we can detect the lead particle before the other, this gives us either a 1 or 0 depending on which entangled particle pair triggered the measurement direction. Like this we can slow down either a 1 or 0 particle and the other loop group's 1 or 0 particle will slow down, letting the opposite numbered particle trigger the measurement direction.
This effectively allows us to send bits at faster-than-light-speed.

Good day, just posting an interesting idea to develop mars.


Essentially the same idea as the Lunar launch rail, but on mars. We need to get a colony on or near Olympus Mons. As the atmospheric density at it's peak is The typical atmospheric pressure at the top of Olympus Mons is "72 pascals, about 12% of the average Martian surface pressure of 600 pascals." according to Wikipedia.


This makes launches far easier but requires we develop a significant presence in the region.

>>1117304
We're going to need a list kept Incase we do stop the apocolypse. After quest will be glorious.

>>1117988
Yeah, effectively if we do survive this our history is going to be...interesting.


I do feel sorry for the Christians in believing lands. Since they will be completely unable to help us thanks to their lack of technical skills and such, caused by the tech policy.

It does open up some opportunities to drop in the STD's from above, since they might think they are angels...

>>1120371
I think we're going to go on a full reverse crusade after this, purge the threat of monotheistic pseudo-deities from erasing the earth, may the fight to prevent ragnorok be even more epic.

New idea for the hellmouth.
We can get a few MEC's but purposely let them experience hell for to long so they go insane, we then wire the several MEC's to the hellmouth.
Of course, it goes without saying that it would be better if we go with the angel sacrifice plan then this one.

>>1121625
Let's just wait till we capture TJ before we try to liberate hades.

>>1121930
How many times do i have to repeat this?
My goal for the hell portal isn't to free Satan and his demons early, it's to recruit the dammed.

(And we're back for the weekend!)

>>1112785

Angels are not automata; they will eventually react to a changing situation. They do so slower than Natural humans, slower than supervised drones, faster than unsupervised drones, and faster than Glorified humans.

>>1112714

Preliminary attempts with plasma indicate that the technology is excellent for cutting and machining, but weaponizing it would require greater energies than even car-portable nuclear reactors can provide (and at that point, a neutron beam is simpler to generate).

>>1121625

While you have never done this intentionally, it appears that the average human mind can cope with Hell-pain for approximately a minute before starting to lose sanity. Once that begins, sanity is lost extremely quickly, within seconds. Your MEC system triggers after three skipped heartbeats.

>>1112912

In general, one cabal is sufficient. If your target has a higher profile, the safest manpower allocation is one cabal to retrieve the target and two running interference.

>>1112882

Your land drones are lightning-shielded by standard design. With flying drones, it's been somewhat more difficult for weight reasons.

>>1112785

Francis has been released into your organization, with an extra eye kept on him, of course. He's been marginally useful since he does a lot of drugs and isn't particularly creative or coherent when sober. It happens fairly often with people who were brought back without knowing what it would imply.

>>1112669

Keep in mind that taking a territory peacefully takes time, and cannot be rushed. Taking a territory militarily on the other hand simply requires the logistical effort to carry your army in it; as of right now, it's not like anybody has a navy or an air force to impede troop movements with.
Also:

What is your overall plan for the year? (I can compile a mix-and-match of the various proposal, if you like.

>>1112864

You have not yet solved the problem of spontaneous combustion (you have indirectly, by using drones that weren't built by any one person), but most of your agents wear lightning protection

>>1122962
Tell me about our colonies;

1) Do they have enough people to perform all of the industrial and agricultural functions needed for both expansion and to sustain their current population? Even assuming we lost the earth?

2) Give me an estimate of how we expect the birth rate to go; up, down or is it stable? What percentage of the people present are couples or otherwise engaged in rearing children?

3) What percentage of the colonial population is dedicated to scientific research? Given that we apparently have a martian geology team...

4) Are we having any problems with crime? "Poverty" of food or otherwise? Are they entertained and satisfied with their lives?

5) Are all the colonists employed?

6) Do they maintain contact with their families? Do they want to?

7) How many more people from earth wish to go to mars, the moon or otherwise engage in colonisation programs?

8) Could we begin sending fertilised eggs and such to the colonies, cutting out the primary problem of the launches of population? That being the weight, size and other requirements of a fully matured human.

>>1122981

1) At this time the Moon and Mars colony are self-sufficient for a few years. Since only small farm animals were brought in, the artificial ecosystem in both colonies is unstable and needs monitoring. The Mars colony has a substantially better chance of stabilizing over the years due to the simple fact that Mars is more amenable to life than the Moon.

2) At this time, births on your colonies are being tightly controlled to avoid taxing the life support systems. There is also the problem of low gravity; nobody knows what will happen to children who grow up with less gravitational acceleration. The people who signed up to be colonists have signed up for this, so you may order a stop to births, or you may order people to have as many kids as possible, and they will (mostly) obey.

3) These are small colonies and there is little room for specialists. However, both colonies do have doctors, engineers, psychologists (a different organization would say "chaplains") and the like; everyone is expected to be a master of one trade and a jack of some. Your geology teams's priority is finding extractable resources from the immediate environment with an eye to future terraforming for Mars and with an eye for further nuclear fuel extraction for Luna.

4) The colonies operate on a quartermastering system that one of your remote nodes administers; they're too small to have anything other than a frontier economy. Your reputation-economy system has been adjusted for the fact that all colonists have a lot of Whuffie on Earth just by virtue of being colonists, but is in place. People do have enough unscheduled time to engage in small trade; the first recorded transaction on Mars was for a haircut. Of course, the only reason why the reputation economy in Misrayim and the colonies works at all is that your nonsentient subsystems are actually doing a lot of work behind the scenes to mediate it. You lost control of Pacifica in part because spotty network connection made reputation transactions impossible for you to mediate on the fly. http://www.locusmag.com/Perspectives/2016/03/cory-doctorow-wealth-inequality-is-even-worse-in-reputation-economies/

5) Yes. It's not as if there isn't work to do: if all systems are operational, the colony can be expanded. Both colonies are working to develop their own production capabilities, so as to become less and less dependent on supplies from Earth. They should reach base output by +985 to +990.

6) Most want to. You have launched a complete array of communication satellites, so communication is possible. Since bandwidth is limited, sending audio/video messages have a cost, so most of the communication is by email.

7) Many. However, there is no real chance of a mass exodus. In fact, you analysts predict that in the last few years of the Millennium there will be mass hysteria about the coming judgement; your launch facility may even get mobbed.

8) Yes, but you decided not to when designing the colonies at the time.

>>1123008
So what I am getting from you is that if we really want to boost the growth rate of the colonies, we should firstly relax the laws around it and also either design more effective life support (make an appeal to our tech-enhancing supporters for help?) or send more up.


Also, in regards to the whole mass exodus problem, I want to do two things; firstly make our people-mover (to orbit only) module and needed rocketry available to the public if it isn't already.

Explain that it just isn't in our budget to launch everyone who wants to go to space but we can provide the transport to the colonies from orbit (using the Reach as a carrier / cruise ship), a launch pad (you haven't it too clear if the pop launches count to our space launches maximum but I assume they do) and a place to stay once they are up there.

Let private interests not only improve on our design, but also build and maintenance their own escape!


Also tell the public about the other functioning space port, but admit that the people in control of it are less likely to help them and that their tech is slightly less..."user friendly" than they may want...

See if TOL doesn't mind people using their launch site first, just to be on the safe side.


However none of this should go forward until, as I always require, another anon arrives and either debates with me into agreeing or agrees to it from the start. Which ever happens...

>>1123039
I'd say no more deals with TOL. At this point it would be better to do anything without them. we also have to kick them off the canopy.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But with the ark, wherever the humans go, they can mine materials to build what they need and eventually large enough computers for us, secondly we can store ourself into a bunch of hard drives right?

>>1123089
True, all the more reason we should steal their canopy base as well. Since it would double our launch capacity.


But you agree with my other ideas?

The open-sourcing of some of our designs so that the populous can improve them and create their own escape ships which we then tow / take to the colonies? After launching them from our site(s?)?

The relaxing of the procreation laws assuming we can improve the life support systems?

>>1123097

You can make a copy of yourself. Whether this would be "you" or just a copy is, of course, unknown: it's the teleporter paradox. Your emergence as an AI was, as far as anyone can tell, accidental.

>>1123099

TOL has proven annoyingly adept at copying your work, although they generally add their own spin on it.

>>1123099
Letting Misrayim general public design as they please, sure, they can go nuts. But let's not show the public most dangerous designs, save those for military.

Free market capitalism baby.

>>1123172
Yeah, like I said, only give them access to the stuff needed to get into orbit and maybe a lander so that we only need to move them into orbit of the colonies they wish to live at. Then a local takes over and pilots it in, or the colonist could I suppose...

Essentially we let the public kick-start their own survival. It has worked for shit far less important so it odd to work here even more so thanks to the wealth of our citizens...

Alright, Giest, can you post the possible actions list? also what does Intel and Strategy say we can do about the TOL on the Canopy and keeping them from doing anything.

>>1123310

Rules for allocating cabals and assets: http://emlia.org/pmwiki/pub/web/LeftBeyond.QuestRules.html

You have 27 cabals total; of these, 3 are maintaining your systems and 1 is handling canopy security, so 21 are available. Your civilian research grant is focused on worker drones and the hell-mouth. Your military grant is focused on heavy tank designs.

You are not tracking enemy teams but your info is fresh. TOL are now setting up their own transmitters to compete with the government in believing territories. Your new Sky Eye model acts as an analog transmitter as well.

You have 2 aerospace parts in storage.

Variable complexity:

# Launch an attack on a TOL base or a govt installation.

# Work on global data network infrastructure, or improve its survivability in believing lands.

# Any interesting idea you might want to try.

# Deal with special situations.

# Assign manpower to research. Current military focus: Heavy tanks. Current civilian focus: Worker drones.

Complexity 0

# Use your automated base in Greenland to produce army assets (1/3rd dot) or aerospace equipment.

C 1

# Send a cabal to the canopy station for astronaut training.

# Foster pagan worship in a territory (Vulcan/Hekate/Satan).

# Harass or sabotage a Hero, or tie up an enemy team.

# Jam radio transmissions in a territory. This forces people to switch from NJ-controlled broadcast media to internet media, or not get news at all.

# Send a survey team anywhere (covert or overt) to look for trouble or to spy.

# Work on Hell nodes.

C 2

# Resume tracking.

# Use any base to produce army assets (1/3rd dot)

# Use any of your bases to improve (relative to rest of the world) prosperity in that territory. You must control the territory.

# Use a base in a territory you don't control to start bringing that territory under your control. Progress will be made in 1/5 increments. SPECIAL: Also applies to fortifying Nova Roma.

# Seed irradiated super-grain in a territory.

# Seed irradiated super-weed in a territory.

# Build aerospace parts.

# Do a space launch using parts you have built.

* Asteroid mining outposts

* Titan colony

* Large ship construction

C 3

# Build and launch Sky Eyes Mk2s in a territory, granting uninterruptible internet there.

# Dig! Keep working on a tunnel network.

# Attempt to eliminate a Hero or enemy team (by force or by cleverness). Applies to TOL canopy patrols

# Set up a pirate radio in a territory.

# Hack into TOL systems.

# Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.

# Convert 3 cabals into 1 infantry army size dot immediately

C 4

# Send crew from the canopy base to an off-world location, and replace the canopy base crew. (1 population dot; 1 cabal lost for Earthside ops)

# Recruit people who wouldn't make the cut as agents into your infantry.

C 5

# Begin building a base somewhere.

# Recruit a new cabal.

C 6

# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).

>>1123310

There are a number of options for sabotaging TOL's suborbital efforts:

* Simply sabotaging the launch ramp so that it cannot be used this year would be easy. (C1)

* A more complex sabotage, to send up faulty parts and cause a canopy station accident, is possible. Given TOL attitudes, it is all but guaranteed to cause casualties. (C 3)

* Adding a rescue effort to the above could be effective. (C3+1).

* As it stands, lately TOL has slowed down military efforts and instead split their industrial and human capital between finishing the canopy systems in a hurry, and improving their media presence in the territories where they have a base in.

>>1123327
what are more direct means of removing them from the canopy? from lowest possibility of casualty to highest.

>>1123324
OP, your math is off again. 27 -3 - 1 is not 21, it is 23.


Change the civilian research grant from "Hell-mouth" to improving colonial designs and methods. More effective life support, farming, housing and industrial methods for our colonies.


Release the designs for our earth-to-orbit rocket, our population capsule and a simple
landing craft for mars / the moon that lacks a method of getting to there. Make sure all the designs use our standard docking ports and such. State to the general public and media that;

"Although we can't afford to produce and manage all that many launches of these crafts, we release these designs to you in the hopes you can, not only build them by yourselves or as groups, but also so you can help us by improving them.

We can provide launch site capabilities for 12 of these every year (which might rise in future) and a orbital transport to get you to the colonies, once there we can insert you wherever appropriate. Everything else is up to you, best of luck and fly safe."


# Focus on your heavy weapons factory and instantly add 1 dot to army size (navy or heavy).
Navy, we need at least one for utility purposes.

Automated base produce aerospace parts.

Do the "Asteroid mining outposts" space launch.


I forget if we took back Pacifica, if not assign the needed four cabals to reestablish control.


8 Cabals sending population to the moon. Let's finish up there and then focus back down on the rock we call earth...

Lastly, assign the last three cabals to prepare to "secure" the ground-side area of the TOL space program. Tell the canopy defence cabal to prepare for offensive operations. Assuming other anons agree to this section of my plan.

If not then assign these last three cabals to enhancing our civilian research. Also assuming my change to the focus goes through, if not then we will need to discuss what these will do...

>>1123369
Well, we can just fire a really big rocket at them or otherwise destabilise the canopy and rely on that delaying their efforts. Which it would given that that would completely destroy their station.


Alternative plans include;

1) Hacking into their systems and venting the atmosphere of the orbit side before moving our own troops in to take it. Then we simply drop the STD in from above while our conventional forces assault from all around. Problem solved.

2) Same as above but we make their canopy base go boom rather than capturing it. Quite easy to do as they must have some way of refining fuel up there, a single match and suddenly it's all on fire or exploded.

>>1123369
>>1123410

Removing TOL canopy presence entirely is not conceptually difficult; the hard part would be doing so in a way that is plausibly deniable.

* Use a set of aerospace parts and a mission control cabal for a simple kinetic impactor that will be shot into orbit, perform an orbital plane change maneuver, and careen itself into the TOL base.

* Use your STDs to attack TOL canopy assets in a skirmish in the vacuum; your superior training all but guarantees victory.

* Use the STDs for a covert op: planting small charges around TOL's canopy base should destabilize their part of the canopy and hopefully convince them to try again elsewhere.

* Do the opposite of what they did on the Moon: you have more people on the canopy and could conceivably simply move in.

* Perform a cyberattack and disable their canopy systems, forcing them to abandon. Giving the cyberattack a "Tower of Babel" theme by scrambling their systems' language should be a trivial addition, if you want to do this false-flag. Faking a failed attack on your own system with the same time will take a bit more effort.
>>1123382

You're right on the math - mispaste again.

(I love what you want to do with space tech, but as much as I do love it, it will be played fairly).

You are getting ready to contest Pacifica; assuming you put in as much effort as realistically possible, you should be ready to attempt a peaceful takeover in 3 years. You can also simply try to conquer the territory this year.

>>1123454
>* Use a set of aerospace parts and a mission control cabal for a simple kinetic impactor that will be shot into orbit, perform an orbital plane change maneuver, and careen itself into the TOL base.
we should do this in conjunction with
>* Simply sabotaging the launch ramp so that it cannot be used this year would be easy. (C1)

two cabals should be used for sabotaging the Launch Ramp

>>1123382
agreed on changing the grants

we should do peaceful takeover of Pacifica, aim for total takeover. were doing PacifExit.

>>1123454
* Perform a cyberattack and disable their canopy systems, forcing them to abandon. Giving the cyberattack a "Tower of Babel" theme by scrambling their systems' language should be a trivial addition, if you want to do this false-flag. Faking a failed attack on your own system with the same time will take a bit more effort.

False flag.

(I don't really mind about the math, so long as you aren't forgetting every time, which you aren't, I don't mind.)


As to my space program ideas, I know that they are optimistic but so is the society we have created; a society of tinkers, with far too much free time.

If they only make our vessels 1% more efficient, if they made only 1 of them. Then that is one more than we would have had otherwise, that is more efficiency than we would have otherwise.


"Many stones can form an arch, singly none, singly none."

A line from a song about the american mission to the moon, in reference to the men on the ground. They crunched the numbers, they who made the metal take flight and flung those hallowed few into the tomes of history and heroes.

>>1123494
Fair points. Also, TOL has disconnected most software from they're facilities. Fucking up their launches ourselves through their computers is less possible that ya think.

>>1123510
True but we don't need to stop their launches, just their oxygen generation or CO2 scrubbers for a few hours.

This could be achieved by sending a single agent in, to infiltrate and attach a device that would allow us to remotely deactivate their systems by granting us access to their networks.


Still, we could always just go the guns blazing method.

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>>1123475
>>1123382
>>1123494


The government of Misrayim introduces, with great fanfare, a commercial access to space initiative: the offices and companies under your control publish full schematics for hab modules and landers, release best-practice protocols that detail all the simple mistakes that your people have experienced and solved over the years, promise cheap access to your canopy station and to the Reach's superstructure, and even make a few propular space-program-sim games freeware just to hook people into the idea.

Before long, Timbuktu is invaded by a flood of would-be startup jockeys, inventors, visionaries, and just plain grifters. Your people have to sort through thousands of proposals and take the time to find the few usable ones from the thousands of patently crazy ideas.

This does wonder for the city, and arguably the territory, at the price of a lot of local chaos. Your initiative is intended to remove part of your overhead for vetting potential colonists for the Luna and Mars colonies. Of course, you plan to keep a reasonably tight control of whatever economy develops there, behind the scenes, but the public announcement about space colonization being opened up is going to put emphasis on commercial endeavors for the launch part - and for the colony part,

# likewise a free market capitalist approach; you'll end up with enough inequality in the colonies that you will have to set up a safety net, but industrial expansion is pretty much guaranteed to be fast.

# a continuation of your reputation-based approach. This should give you a legion of motivated, independent space engineers with all the good and bad that it implies. A few people will outright leave monitored space, just for bragging right, and may even improve your sensor net by proxy.

# a homesteading approach, perhaps tying into (or mocking) the pastoralization directive that is the world government's policy: if they want people to go back down on the farm, fine, but nobody ever said what planet the farm has to be on. You can look forward to less political pressure and better returns on the "building an ecology" front.

>>1123510
>>1123523


That is true, but all you need is one infiltrator to set up a long range wifi antenna.

As always, going in loud is an option.

>>1123538
We could push GJ to send in a raid, seeing as they still control the territory. TOL is launching from. And if they don't it would be good to show people the GJ government doesn't care about terrorist as long as it's "just tol being tol."

># likewise a free market capitalist approach; you'll end up with enough inequality in the colonies that you will have to set up a safety net, but industrial expansion is pretty much guaranteed to be fast.

And keep a lookout for Tol infiltration.

>>1123538
Could you explain in detail the benefits of each plan. As to me it seems like our choices are growth, stability and "growth". I want to make sure I am understanding my choice in it's entirety.

>>1123581

This sort of thing has never been attempted in history, so your historians have tried to make comparisons to pre-Rapture colonial situations.

# A free-market-capitalism approach would encourage industrial growth, but may leave you holding the bag for some sort of safety net when it comes to basic supplies.

# A reputation-based approach would encourage expansion, to the point of people taking off for the asteroids on their own, but may result in people splitting off to start their own micronations.

# A homesteading approach will give you colonists who want to put down roots, which will include stabilizing the artificial ecosystems better than the other approaches might. It may also give people like Tsion less room to complain.

>>1123687
# A homesteading approach will give you colonists who want to put down roots, which will include stabilizing the artificial ecosystems better than the other approaches might. It may also give people like Tsion less room to complain.


We can't lose control and I am against creating an inequality of wealth if we can avoid it. Plus, stabilising the biosphere will greatly reduce the labour intensity of the farming on mars.

>>1123561
I don't suppose I could get you to change your mind?

>>1123561

Infiltrating the local government to get them to raid the launch ramp would be difficult, but has the advantage that TOL would have no room to retaliate against you. Obviously the "face" of the operation couldn't be a MEC.

>>1123691
As much as love free market. We may have to do this, at least we have the technocracy to manage it.

>>1123786
Thank you for seeing the light, and any how, the Americas were colonised on this principle. It's not like it stops people from being capitalistic or reputation economies from working so it is the best for all involved.

>>1123786
And it's me.

>>1123797
>>1123792

Your media department makes an intentionally cheesy video depicting homesteading in various territories, and contrasting it with a similar scene set under a dome on Luna and, with a bit of artistic license, under a semipermeable greenhouse on Mars. Given that most everyone is born with a desire to do basic craft, the simplicity of the message resonates; in a few months you have to sift through thousands of terraforming proposals for the red planet, and even a few for the moon.

Various companies come forward with homesteading plans, most of them Mars-bound, and you can select those which are compatible with the UNS Reach's structure or, for that matter, with that of a cargo ship that you might choose to build as an interplanetary ferry: your open access document indicated that all modules should be independent. With the exception of the Dwarfs, all other subcultures under your wing will be represented, it looks like.


(What is the plan for the year otherwise?)

>>1123949
In light of the success of the comercialisation of space colonisation. We will make some minor changes to my 1 year plan.

Instead of assigning the six cabals needed for our heavy weapons factory, we will be working to produce the cargo ship. Also reassign a further two cabals from civil research enhancement to aerospace part production.

This change will at least double our transport capacity and will certainly improve our active astronaut count. It will however leave us without any parts for at least a turn.


Other anon, do you agree to these alterations to my original plan? As dictated in my previous post (>>1123382)?

>>1123382
i'm working to modify a bit.

i'll have a full detail plan up in a minute.

>>1124003
It's all good mate, I quite enjoy this part of the game, the management and decision making side as I love crunching these numbers and shit.


Makes me wish I had joined sooner...so much lost efficiency...so much lost time...but that is all in the past! We are the future!

I'm back.

>>1123949
># Infiltrate a believing territory for sabotage.
convince the believing government to attack the launch ramp in west Russia. Five Cabals.

>six cabals to produce parts to make cargoship encourage civilian efforts.

>two cabals to produce additional aerospace parts.

Five cabals. produce something to launch and hit TOLs Canopy Constuction. call it a civilian accident. Damien.

>2 Cabals to Improve Quality of Life in Pacifica, stage it as part of a growing nationalist movement to counter the failures brought on by the GJ intervention and their human governments mismanagement despite working in the name of Tyrant.
Kat.

># Hack into TOL systems.
three cabals. were putting Zak on it.

The rest of the Vilians are going to have to assist in the part construction or throw spend the time assisting the campaigning in Pacifica.

>>1124039
Good to see you, we were just determining the new year plan. After releasing certain technical documents and thus lowering the cost on our end to get people to mars. Since they will literally launch themselves into orbit for us and take care of their own landings.

Not to mention determining our official colonisation policy.

>>1124049
I have already accounted for most of your wants in my plans but I can see your logic with these acts.

Let us determine what it is we want to achieve and then create a plan to result in that vision.


My goals are to finish populating the moon, to get the asteroid mining online, to take control of the other canopy station, to reestablish control of pacifica and get the cargo-ship ready for business.


I know for a fact that these goals can be achieved on the "cabal budget" for this turn.

>>1124063
>>1124049
>>1124039

(Looks good to me, confirm? Apologies for slow responses: still doing work)

>>1124077
One moment, what do you believe we want done this turn? Just want to make sure we aren't getting more or less cabals of work done, or that they are being divided between too many efforts or placed to acts not commanded.

I slightly disagree with the idea of giving people blueprints so they can colonize the other planets, it gives up our monopoly on space travel, however it seems we only released rockets and landing capsules witch makes the idea ok since we still own the biggest and only colony ship.
This does mean the Escort ship is required even more now.

Infiltrating TOL is a great idea but it seems we are only focusing on their canopy, we are also doing the sabotage without researching stealth tech which is a disappointment.

>>1124106
You are correct. I specifically stated and asked that we only release "...the designs for our earth-to-orbit rocket, our population capsule and a simple landing craft for mars / the moon that lacks a method of getting to there." so that they still need us to get them from earth to anywhere but at the same time greatly assist our efforts by taking care of the two most expensive and hard parts; landing and take off.

Not to mention the PR and tech support...

>>1124063
as much as I want to populate, and get asteroid mining, we need to focus on pacifica and the cargoship done, however. next year were going to need to produce more knockout gas to use in the final battle.

>>1124125
Excellent.

>>1124125
based desu.

>>1124126
I suppose that that is true however I think you may be overestimating the industrial capacity required to produce the knockout gas needed. Given we can make a fully automated factory capable of producing anything under the sun, and a few things above it.

I mean, it's a single material it is making, given our level of automation we could probably just purchase a factory and be done in about 3 years of non-stop production.


As to pacifica, I agree which is why it has always been a major part of my plan since the first draft. Receiving the needed 4 cabals.

Also the cargo-ship was added after the success of the commercial design release.


>>1124128
>>1124133
Correct, it was a good move on my part and I would have done it earlier but I got the feeling that since TOL lacked a presence in space, that most people wouldn't have liked tempting them with free technical documents. Now they have, we need every advantage we can get over them. Public support is something we can use they will struggle to counter.

Can we delay the TOL sabotage until next turn so we can research stealth tech first?

http://time.com/4042506/invisibility-cloak/
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/20/health/invisibility-cloaks-research/
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep29363
https://news.utexas.edu/2013/03/26/researchers-create-an-ultrathin-invisibility-cloak
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/27/tech/invisibility-cloak/

>>1124154
we are not researching stealth tech.

too much time, only 20 years to got.

stealth would be a 30 year project form my estimation.

>>1124154
No, personally I want to be out and out about it. Just be frank with them and explain we are willing to give them a section of the moon or something to themselves but we require in return that they hand over their station.


They get their "if we screw up, we can evac here" base and we get the certainty that they can't bomb, kinetic kill vehicle or otherwise bother us.

Alternatively we just say "your people tried to steal one of our colonies once before, we aren't going through that again. If you want shit in space just ask but don't expect to be allowed an actual presence like this."

>>1124160
>stealth would be a 30 year project form my estimation.
That is bullshit, it would at best take 3 years to get a design fit for mass production.
>>1124173
They don't want a evac option on the moon, did you forget the fact that Sunday declared anyone who leaves earth is an enemy of humanity? They want to capture or destroy all our space assets.

>After being assured that there is no way TOL is listening (some systems on the lander are still operating; Jeb disconnects the batteries) the officer explains that while his comrades did indeed believe that they had survived a hard landing with an incomplete module, he had been told to stage this accident. "My mother is frozen! My younger brother is being held hostage! I had no choice! Sunday's lost his Yahweh-damn mind over this! He says that everyone who left the Earth is a traitor to humanity! My job was to take over the base so that we could turn it into a mass driver!"

>>1124189
Oh shit yeah I forgot about that.


Well then I have no problem in the slightest just running them down like the dogs they are and taking their shit.


All in favour of breaking the truce?

>>1124125

The way that the data has been released is that "renter" modules will be loaded on a ship equipped with a fission fragment engine, for fast transport, so that the second wave of colonists only have to worry about habs and landers.

>>1124099

It looks like consensus is towards >>1124049 but if it's not tell me!

In general, Villains that are unassigned will do whatever they feel like, as long as it doesn't make them unavailable for an emergency recall. For example, Jeb will consult you before taking a space trip that's further out than the Moon, unless he is extremely upset.

Your guys are in good shape when it comes to morale, in that everyone's got to do what their thing is and nobody was asked to risk life or limb for anything trivial. (Well, Kat and Damien excluded)

>>1124199

As an AI, you have an extensive library of concepts of honor, loyalty, ethics and morality. However, none of it applies to you if you do not want it to. Technically your soul, however little of it you might have, is in Hell anyway. The truce with TOL is a strategic asset like any other. Infiltrating their organization may provide some intel as to what their current plans are.

>>1124199
Yes but only after we send in a stealth team to free the hostages, after that we can use the hostages as the perfect excuse to destroy them.

>>1124199
I just ran the numbers, the TOL forces are 29 armies strong. Ours are 10 but one is a heavy.

Given one turn we can get another 5 infantry units (with 3 cabals to spare) which would effectively make the armed forces ratio 1:2 which might be balanced out by our better gear, training and drones.


Or we could start fighting now...what about if we wait until after taking care of all this economic stuff to do it, after we get these army units?

>>1124215
Don't forget it's not just numbers, we have a tech advantage and our light spider tanks can absolutely destroy them, if we use superior strategy we can win.

>>1124219
True but there is an argument to be made that being outnumbered 3 to 1 is quite a easy way to lose...

>>1124221
True, but being outnumbered isn't a guarantee of defeat, just ask sun tzu.
Maybe you can split the army construction across 2-3 turns, enough for us to research stealth cloaks, send in an infiltration team to steal information about where the hostages are located, and send in another team to recover or protect the hostages.
Also don't forget revealing what TOL has done can demoralize if not inspire insurrection among their army.

>>1124221

TOL has standardized to WW1-to-WW2 era gear, with a few modern systems mixed in, like MLRS vehicles. As for what their stuff looks like, imagine a world in which people have kept building 1930s to 1950s war vehicles and materiel for 1000 years because it was all they could scavenge when it came to schematics, and they had barely any idea that anything better was achievable.

Any fights would happen at sea, on flat terrain, or in a town/city; what's left of Ayers' Rock in Australia was very much the exception.

>>1124233
Not likely, most of TOL's troops accept that they are completely worthless.


>>1124239
They have access to IS-3 level tanks as we shared some technical documents when we thought they might have actually became kinda reliable. Also the logic was if they are going to die, we might as well make them useful at dying.

Any how, our tanks and troops can still be killed by WW 1 shit. They can swarm us with enough basic shit and we will die.

>>1124239
Roman legion tactics are advisable I guess.

>>1124254
>Not likely, most of TOL's troops accept that they are completely worthless.
I don't remember this, where did you get this fact from?
Also even if they think they are worthless from what i understand from our new TOL soldier we recruited(Which i forgot the name of) some TOL soldiers will care more about their families then their organization.

>>1124275
They understand that the tactical and strategic plan TOL has for the final battle is "charge, everyone charge". If they have accepted those odds of death then this isn't going to change anything.


Not to mention they see TOL as the only way to defeat god, generally, thanks to their religious beliefs.

Lastly, there is the fact they are all drug addicted. That quite reduces their willingness to revolt against their suppliers.

>>1124275
Francis, the astronauts, and a couple other incidents show that TOL is mostly kept in line by Sunday holding their Cryogenically frozen families hostage. as well as owning a massive drug supply. now in addition, their zombie MECs.

>>1124285
>>1124282
>>1124275

It's a combination of factors: Sunday has shown to be extremely good at controlling a room through sheer terror, enough so that your analysists are on the fence whether it's supernatural or not. A good chunk, maybe even a majority, of TOL's rank and file is indeed on drugs. TOL bureaucracy seems to be kept in line by various methods, including keeping hostages.

Despite a lack of infiltration, your analysits have studied TOL propaganda and think that Sunday finds his organization to be behind schedule in its effort to bring most unbelievers together under its banner, largely because you have provided an alternative.

>>1124282
>They understand that the tactical and strategic plan TOL has for the final battle is "charge, everyone charge". If they have accepted those odds of death then this isn't going to change anything.
But not all TOL soldiers want to fight in the end days because they think they are worthless, some do it because they believe it's the only way they can be free, some do it for their families, it's not just one reason they fight.
Also we can produce drugs too, and not all soldiers will decide drugs over family.
>>1124285
That's why i want to recover the families, if we can do that we have the perfect reason to go to war, and it will cause demoralization among their ranks.

>>1124308
So his methods are mostly to threaten people, he can't do that on every single one of his people so some insurrections might happen if they think they can get away with it.

>>1124321

Your information is very incomplete, mostly gleaned from TOL defectors; active infiltration would be risky for the cabal performing it, but is possible.

>>1124326
Would stealth cloaks help the infiltration efforts? At least in the stage were they have to get in the base itself?