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War, War never changes.

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>>1426411
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>>1438425
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>>1451933
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>>1469110
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>>1478346
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>>1494051
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>>1511713
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>>1532634
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>>1552873

You are the Courier, and you are on a quest to use all your knowledge and power to rebuild a new America in the image of your liking. Along the way you have faced challenges, made new contacts, and face the prospects of new dangers and opportunities. Among the many things you face that you have not before, is that of being a father to your mutant child and, in a sense, the progenitor of an alien clone whom you have made an enemy while preserving your honor, and who and has fled with abducted companions. Your main settlement, Big MT, has succesfully fended off a 2nd alien threat, this time (hopefully) for good, now totally cleansing the great alien craft and securing the saftey of the Crater and the Chinese base within. Having done so you continue on your efforts to assemble a proper industrial and military basis of a nation with all the science and technology at your disposal, meanwhile you do not ignore the affairs of the outside world. Currently, you visit New Vegas and the Mojave, now firmly under Legion control, both to survey the area and retrieve any useful assets for your use.
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>>1571567
You are currently with your recently purchase, a mute young man on sale at the New Vegas Colloseum as a slave, who has revealed his history as the son of some Scavengers captured at Denver Colorado by the Legion. In front of you stands Dean Domino, a Ghoul you rescued from the Sierra Madre, and Rachel, a shy pretty slave woman that he had swiped away from Legion Slavers. Currently, you are inside a basement in an Old World concerthall set to stage one of his performances before the Bombs fell.

You've agree'd to smuggle Dean and Rachel out of the city, having the stealthboys on hand for just such an occasion, but the other issue of getting his massive (and most likely useful or valuable) collection of things from the basement poses another issue. Being overencumbered would slow you down, possibly make you waste more stealthboys considerably.

You decide to settle for having your little party (and yourself) take what you can carry (which is considerable but not unlimited) to the Remnant Bunker, to stay and wait there, and then make a 2nd trip back here and gather the rest of the things. At that point, you should be able to overencumber yourself and then just port out of the City to BigMT.

A wordy, but simple and straightforward plan that Dean Domino agree's to. Meanwhile, you notice the slave you have at your side fidgeting. Seems he wasn't expecting to be sold to someone acting directly against the legion, and the fear and sweat on his face is palpable. He's clearly concerned, but isn't (or can't) voice it. But he obeys.

His face lights up when you show him a Stealth Boy. He recognizes what it is, and seems to not believe you're actually handing one too him. Dean is also somewhat impressed.

>Dean
"So just turn one of these on and for one hour. I'd almost wish I had one of these in the Sierra Madre to have beaten Elijah to that Vault. But then I'd be the one trapped in there, not him, I gather. You really should tell me what was inside that Vault."
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>>1571626
>You
[It's a long story, I'll tell you later. Christine is in BigMT]

>Dean
"Ah, another familiar face. I wouldn't mind that."

>You
[It's familiar, but not exactly what you had in mind. You'll understand when you get there]

>Dean
"Always with the vague. Would a little clarification be too much to ask?"

>You
[Okay. Elijah rose up from the dead as a hologram somehow and took over the Sierra Madre's technology and is turning the Ghost People into his own personal army armed with weapons created from matter replicators, Christine had been inside the Sierra Madre at the time keeping outsiders safe from entering it when she was nearly caught by him. She had to don a Ghost's suit and hide among them, becoming like the Ghosts themelves and unable to remove them but retaining her intelligence.

How was that?]

>Dean
". . .

Okay so some things are better left asked later. 'Brevity is the soul of wit', let's get out of here before they decide to blow up the building on top of us."

You load up on the most important stuff. Which to you is the most unique/irreplaceable stuff. Dean's holotapes and musical writings, some of his memorabilia, a couple of instrument cases, photo's and albums. The heavier stuff like the antique furniture, clothes, ammo, weapons, and of course booze and supplies you'll get on the 2nd trip.

---
One tense, but successful trip and several hours later you arrive at the Remnants Bunker. The remnants, helicopter, and power suits are long gone but its still a viable base and living place. Food, water, beds and bunks.

>Dean
"Not too shabby. I do like the added security. I suppose I'll be here to hold the fort.

That friend of yours, not much of a talker is he?"

>You
[He's mute. He knows morse code and unlike Chrstine he can read and write.]

>Dean
"Good to know. I'm sure we'll have riveting conversations."

You leave them all there, and head back to NV to collect the rest of the stuff.
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>>1571631
You return to NV having walked there for several hours more. As you return to the Market District, formerly Freeside, you see Legion soldier's surrounding the building.

Oh hey, you know that one! What was his name, uh, Eddie from the Powder Gangers. What are they doing-

>Rolled 26
KABOOM!

The Concert Hall goes up in a fireball and flying debris.

Oh dammit, there was some really good stuff in there. . .no way to get at it now.

Welp. Guess all that's left is to go home and get some transport for your goodies and people here in the Mojave.
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!ALERT!

You now have a (small) amount of Hexcrete Bags! *BUT* it will lower your water supply to use it! You need water to mix concrete.
The Hemp Farm is recovering.
Food has dropped a level, but is recovering.
You will need to spend a hero action to retrieve the stuff/people/things from the Mojave. State how.
Fuel is exhausted. You can cut into the food again for more if you want, and you can also raise your food levels through Sierra Madre Chips for 2000 chips.

>>>>>Food: Average (Recovering)
>>>>>Water: Low (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (NONE) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
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---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
95 Human
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
17 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant

>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 5 Bulldozers (Ruined) 1 Giant Crane (Ruined)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
!NEW!
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
300 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

6000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>1571665
to spend Sierra Madre Chips is free. Just say so, no need for an action (but I prefer you included it in a full action post).

You have 4 actions, to be directed each turn.
1 Hero Action (what YOU are doing)
1 Civ Action (a multiuse action based on your current civ power
1 Repair/Construction Action (An action to either repair a thing OR a general construction action. both have been granted by current equipment/companions)
1 Military Action (must be for military reasons i.e. scouting, attacking, raiding. NOT research/non-military construction / generic resource scavenging)

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 53
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TO DO LIST/SUGGESTIONS/ETC.

Think Tank Gifts

>Replicator
Level 1 Vending Machine Optoins {unlocks additional replication options} [ ] (needs Needs Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1)
Level 1 Vending Machine Bigger {makes more} [ ] (needs Needs Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1)
Repaired Y-0 Research Center Lv1 [X] (Needs Repaired Construction Bots [X] Needs Repaired Facility [X] Needs Additional Vending Machines [X])

>Unity
Clean Unity Food [ ] (needs FEV Research)
Unity Webbing [ ] (needs FEV Research)
FEV Research Lv1 [ ] FEV Research A proper FEV Lab. Needs Prime Human Subjects)
A proper FEV Lab [ ]
Prime/Untainted Human Subjects [ ] (Needs to convince Chinese Volunteers/Freezer People)

>Brain
Reverse Engineer Biological research station [X]
Reverse Engineer Sierra Madre Machine [ ] (needs more Sierra Madre Machines)
Investigate the Construction Zone for its Vehicles and Construction Bots [X]

>Riddick
Get a Vehicle Garage [X]

>Hexcrete Plant
Small Cement/Concrete Mill [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory [X]. Needs Small Chemical Mill [X]. Needs Limestone and Quartz and Gypsum Mine [X]. Needs Repaired Construction Bots [X]. Needs Repaired Construction Vehicles [X])
Small Chemical Mill [X]
Repaired Construction Vehicles [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory. Needs Vehicle Fuel.
Chinese War Factory [X]

>Old World Fabric
Old World Textile Plant. (Needs Cotton. Needs Nylon)
Nylon (Needs Small Chemical Mill [X]. Needs Charcoal [ ])
Cotton [X] OR Hemp [X]

>Salient Green (COMPLETED)
Salient Green [X] (Needs Banana Yucca)
Bigger Biological Research Station [X]
Banana Yucca [X]

>Possible Luxuries (Not a complete List)
Alcohol [ ] (Needs Bigger Biological Research Station)
Bar/Casino [ ] (Needs Building Materials. Needs Alcohol.)
Better Public Baths [X]
Cafeteria/Kitchen [ ]
Clothing Store [ ]
Furniture Store [ ]
Brain has a few ideas [ ]
Find Dean Domino! [ ]
Swimming Pool [ ]
Movie Theater [ ]
Radio Show [ ]

>Culture/Gov't
An Actual Town Hall Built [ ]
A School [ ]
An action to actually. . .hammer out the details of your country. . [ ]

>Big Giant "Personal" Party and/or Celebration
Booze (Plentiful) [X]
Food (Abundant) [ ] and/or [ ] 20 Brahmin to be butchered
Securitrons [X]
Guns [X]
(Optional)
A bigger Light Switch-02 Bulb [ ]
Extra Old World Silk Furniture [ ]

>Other
Repaired Construction Bots [X]
Vehicle Fuel [ ] (Needs Small Fuel Mill. Needs Salient Green)
Small Fuel Mill [ ] (Needs Chinese War Factory)
Cement Mines (Limestone [X] Quartz/Gypsum [X])
Charcoal [ ] (Needs Lumbermill)
Lumbermill [ ] (Needs Wood)
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Rolled 50 (1d100)

>>1571677
>hero
Take riddick, meet at the saucer, fly the saucer to the bunker, pick up dean and the free men, fly home.
>civ
Have a party with dean singing, name the country, declare independance day or something, drink.
Spend chips on food and booze.
>construction
Build a bar
>military
Send a small part to trona, leaving bots to secure it. Send a small party to newberry and secure it.
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>>1571698
>name the country, declare independance day or something
I'd really like a lot more than just that.

If asked, I will provide a set list of questions I'd like addressed. That might actually take your hero action + civ.

Perhaps consult your Brain for this.
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>>1571707
Probably would want more people around for that, so change civ action to
>put on another radio show
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>>1571724
Truth be told I should get started on that right away because it is a lot of things to be addressed, so the earlier the better.

---

Everytime you return to BigMT, you start hosting ad-hoc meetings with your companions and the prominent members of the Community, asking for insight on how to plan your new nation, one question at a time.

Perhaps the first thing to decide. Name:
What should we call it?
CHOOSE:
>New Enclave
>New Commonwealth
>New America
>New Columbia
>Pheonix Commonwealth
>The Successor Commonwealth
>The Commonwealth Scion
>Courierland/Courioria/Couria
>Other

--

Symbolism is also important. I notice many of you proposing the Pheonix or a flaming Eagle, to represent a New, not a Reguritated America. If you have any other suggestions or object to this state so.

Please vote on these options whenever you see it!
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>>1571677
>Hero.
Go gt riddick, meet at the Saucer, fly saucer to bunker, pick up Dean and the free men, fly home.
>Civ
Collect more scrap metal.
>Construction.
After the civ action, use the collected scrap metal to build a concrete mill.
>Military
Inspect Neweberry springs more thoroughly, find out if it's inhabited.
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>1571698
>Building a bar.
>Not the god damn small concrete mill that will speed up all other concrete constructions.
Forgot roll
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>>1571741
>Enclave Pheonix
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>>1571741
I likr
>The Phoenix Concord
But would settle for
>phoenix commonwealth
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Rolled 45 (1d100)

>>1571677
>Hero - get Dean via using Riddick at the saucer or some how.

>Civ - Convert more hemp to fuel

>Con- Build a small concert mill out of concert

>Mil - join chinese/American training opps.
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Rolled 91 (1d100)

>>1571745

I'll support this

>>1571741

>Other

I'm gonna go with the alliteration of

>The Commonwealth of Columbia
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>>1571763
1 Enclave Pheonix

Sounds like your people would be "Enclavians" or "Fehnee-shians" (/ "Fehnix-seans")
>>1571770
1 The Phoenix Concord

"Concordians" I gather.

>>1571775
1 The Commonwealth of Columbia

"Columbian" or "Commonwealther"
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>>1571775

Actually I'll the name to

>The Colombian Phoenix Commonwealth
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By the way while away I figured something.

Wouldn't Borous have the DNA samples of nearly every animal that there was before the bombs fell?
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Okay, so the jist of the action is

Hero
>Get Riddick to help with the Saucer and/or Dean
Civ
>More Scrap Metal
Construction
>Build the Concrete Mill
Military
>Secure Newberry Springs?

Confirm?
>Y/N
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>>1571814
>Y
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>>1571814

Yeeeep
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>>1571814
n
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>>1571826

>ZSAD

Are you the bad man ZSAD man? Behind blue eyes?
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Hey QM, weren't we supposed to get some TINY scrap metal? >>1564412
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>>1571833
Yeah, you have it my bad
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Just need 3 votes.
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Anyone here?
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>>1571872
Ill throw my vote in with enclave pheonix.

Although desu, I prefer Americans over Phoenicians but it is what it is.
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>>1571890
....... does qst have a word filter changing t b h into desu?

Wat?
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>>1571890
Any vote on the turn actions? The name thing can come with time.
>>1571892
Good ol' OG Moot.
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>>1571893
Sorry QM, I missed that part. I'll vote to confirm the >>1571814
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>>1571814
LOCKED

Gimme some more 1d100s people
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Rolled 5 (1d100)

>>1571901
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1571901
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>>1571905
...... whelp i tried.
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>>1571904
>>1571905


>>1571775
Be thankful for this anon
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>>1571814
>>1571775
Construction
>Build the Concrete Mill

Before even construction can be done, the planning and design phase must be completed. By far this itself is perhaps the bigger challenge. It's not enough to know the ingredients to make Hexcrete, now its automizing it. Indeed it would be an almost insurmountable task, were it not for the vast intellect of your brain, Gabrielle Sanchez' brain, and the experience of Jacob Miles organizing and supervising your team of Follower Researchers and Ad-Hoc engineers.

Like an oiled machine they work together to outline the various steps of making concrete and teaching them to the followers. Everything from the mechanical aspects of grind down limestone into aggregate via a rotary powder grinder and the correct portions of sand and gravel and gypsum, the loadbearing properties and the arithmetic and physical calculations of design, to the chemical processes of providing proper baking through injection of heated air for a set time to bake it into clinker, and to top it all off the BigMT special chemical additives that transform the whole thing into Hexcrete, which must be added on different stages. Added to that designing an aggregate crusher to grind limestone and other materials into the other part of Concrete.

These are but snippets of the vast logistical, technical, and organizational challenges your nations minds have to face. And yet, as a testament to your efforts and actions over the past many months, progress is made. Like a tactician in a battle, they divide and conquer tasks, relearning as much Old World principles and applying in record time, at such speeds even the Boneyard Follower University and OSI would be jealous.

Soon the blueprints, scheduling details, and organizational work will be done (it would have been done this turn with time to spare if you joined in), and everything will be in place and organized for the groundwork to be laid.

Next turn spend another action to begin construction!
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>>1571938
>Next turn spend another action to begin construction!
Damn, will the construction only take one turn?
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>>1571938
Civ
>More Scrap Metal

You are fortunate enough to follow a pair of tracks (that you were ripping up for the ties and spikes) to an abaonded length of rail cars. Another prized cache that will serve you well. If there is one thing that the Old World truly gifted to the new, it's the veritable mountains of abandoned steel lying about everywhere.

But the distances to get these away from BigMT are growing further and further each time. Eventually one day everything even intermediately near the Crater will be scarce or used up.

Still, you have yet to pick up and use Baker's supply.

>>1571955
Depends on the roll. If you devote two actions to it, plausibly.
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Is it too late to make a roll?

>>1571960

Is the idea to drill the mantle to get liquid metal that far-off as to be impossible at this time? We do have hundreds of robots.
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>>1571971
I think the mantle drilling idea is too dangerous to do here in the Big MT, somewhere more secluded where a man made volcano doesn't threaten too much is best.
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>>1571977
It doesn't matter where we do it, right?
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>>1571980
>It doesn't matter where we do it, right?
Yes it does, the mantle drill basically makes a hole all the way down to the mantle to suck up metal, it's basically making a volcano and putting a straw down the conduit, if a accident happens or it's sabotaged it could erupt.
It does possibly give us the benefit of using already existing volcanoes to pull metal out.
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Rolled 98 (1d100)

>>1571980
It does, Do you want to drill into the UNDER GROUND LABS. We haven't cleared out yet?

>>1571901
>Tfw dice roll was ignored from before.
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>>1571985
>>1571987

Nah, I mean, we don't have to drill it at our base, right? We could find some isolated spot in middle of a desert to do it.

Are there any volcanoes nearby though?
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>>1571987
Look who's late.
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>>1571992
>we don't have to drill it at our base, right?
Correct, and we shouldn't.
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>>1571993
I was cleaning my tools and taking a shower you cunt. If i let those things sit I'm gonna be the one with cemete on his fucking tools and thats not how you work.
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>>1571741
>Pheonix Commonwealth of America
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>>1572067
Yknow, ill change my vote >>1571770
to this so something has more than 1 vote
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>>1571971
>Is the idea to drill the mantle to get liquid metal that far-off as to be impossible at this time?
Yes. The power and technology required would be nothing short of incredible.
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>>1571814
>Secure Newberry Springs
Your securitrons move out to secure Newberry springs, going from house to house to check inside. They report the town is empty, there are some signs of a struggle but you judge them to be ages ago.

Most likely this town was in range of BigMT's abductors and kidnapped ages ago.

The only thing of note was various terminals and evidence indicating the houses did once belonged to BigMT scientists, but whoever they were they were gone now.

All that's needed is to figure out how to get the water to BigMT. Pipeline or truck.
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>>1571814
You head into the Chinese Workshop, where you find Riddick polishing and caring for his car. An Authentic 2070 Charge Company Dodger, with parts specially tailored by Riddick including a tank of Nitrous Oxide. Evidently that makes cars run faster.

You do ask Riddick exactly how he got the car. He says he was part of a "family" of humans before the Great War.

You again wonder just how old is Riddick?

>Riddick
"Does it matter?"

>You
[. . .No, not really]

Apparently that family of humans is also where he got that golden cross he wears around his neck like a necklace. It's from that Jesus religion that Joshua talks about. You wonder why an alien would believe in that sort of thing, but you don't ask further.

---

A short while later, you're driving through the desert sands.

It's one of the most amazing feeling you've ever felt, and you put down the window to feel the rush of air on your face. Is this how Niner feels on his motorcycle? This is even better than flying!
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>>1572108
You bring Riddick to the flying saucer, and he says he'll handle attaching the ship to haul with his car.

Meanwhile, you take two teleport steps back to BigMT and then to the Remnant bunker. Luckily everyone is still there.

>Dean
"Ah, there you are. So, ready for our little excursion? I must say your friend is quite the good listener, but he's not exactly much of a talker. Can't even give me a name, says you never gave him one yet"

Oh right.

About that

>Is there anything you want to say or ask of the slave you bought?

---

Meanwhile, you travel with your companions toward Riddick on foot.

There's just a problem, and Riddick finds you first. He tells you to get up behind a ridge, and take a look.

You look down. You see Riddicks car. The hovering Zetan craft. And a third craft, larger than the others, flying in the air. One you've never seen. Around it stand a bunch of space men in space suits, with alien guns. But they are very much not Zetan, these seem human.

>You
[Who is that?]

>Riddick
"Bounty hunters."

Your eyes light up. This is actually a pleasant surprise.

>You
[Oh boy bounty hunters! I love bounty hunters! Can we kill them?]

>Riddick
"Remember they're around my car. Let's try not to hurt my car. Or your ship."

>You
[Maybe we can lure them out and fight elsewhere]

>Riddick
"Seems so. You got a plan you wanna share?"

>What do?
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>>1572116
>Note: It's not actually the size of the prometheus ship in the movie. Compare it more to a Hercules aircraft
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>>1572087
Thank you kind anon - have a flag concept.
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>>1572121
1 for this Flag Concept!

Looks good too

Anyone else wanna support or propose different, just say so
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>>1572121
I don't really like the phoenix, it should be the stars for the states we will eventually have. Or even just one star, for the United States
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>>1572121
>>1572126
this but vertical and replace the phoenix with a single star
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>>1572121
I like it. Just would prefer a bluer blue. Looks a bit purple.
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>>1572126
Perhaps a Pheonix with a Star?

Also having states implies federalism rather than absolute autocracy.
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>>1572132
supporting this
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>>1572116
Don't forget to vote.
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>>1572132
That's why I said one single star, for the one state, like you posted
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>>1572132
Maybe between the wing wrist bits rather than on the bird body.
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>>1572116
riddick's a sneaky fella. approach the bounty hunters and tell riddick to sneak around and kill them when he sees a window of opportunity
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>>1572116
Use the ncr radio and unsecure line, try to send them north by acting like were telling riddick to hide out at the tunnel happy trails were at.
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>>1572148
1 for this
>>1572160
1 for this
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>>1572146
Doable too. Though a minor detail that doesn't need a rigid vote.

But the jist of it is I'm getting people are okay with the Pheonix, White Star, Blue and Red Stripes background? I'll count the supporting votes and lock when I feel there's enough.

Just need the name then
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>>1572163
Feels like if the Star is in the Pheonix, it represents the state and the Courier, protecting it

If the star is between the Pheonix wings, its representing the state and ideal the Pheonix is grasping toward
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>>1572165
looks good to me, but the blue should be lighter like the other anon said
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>>1572121
Secondary WIP flag concept here
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>>1572165
Maybe a blue background and white bird like >>1572170
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>>1572170
The other one is better
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>>1572165
I'll back this if you give the bird golden accents along the wings or something, it's a phoenix but without a indicator of fire it might as well be a coal coated dove.
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backing >>1572180

but change the blue in >>1572165 to be a little bit lighter
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>>1572187
Ironically I'd argue we should make the blue darker and make the bird entirely gold / orange but whatever proves most popular.
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>>1572190
I can see that. The main issue is the black and blue now are too similiar. Needs more contrast.
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>>1572193
Oh aye I agree, it's why I think some gold or auburn would work well to symbolise it's nature as a Phoenix and to just make it a bit brighter / clearer.
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Keep going with the flag discussion guys, I love it, especially if you guys can agree to conensus!


but don't forget I need the current action thing done to move the turn. If needed, I will provide options, but you usually gain a bonus for being clever cods yourselves
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>>1572196
Maybe make the blue richer as well as darker. Probably could be closer to a Navy colour.
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>>1572170
Looks nice, especially for arm band purposes, although currently there are no states for the stars to represent. Nor are you exactly a federal system yet.
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>>1572148
I will support this course of action

>>1572204
Nor will we ever be if we are smart about this shit.
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1 for this
>>1572160
>>1572206
2 for this
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Alternative Yellow for flames. Just needs some touch up to remove the artifacts around the edges
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>>1572254
All of my yes. Now if we can see it with a richer blue we can have seen all the wanted variations.


Also, do you think the star should be the same colour as the Phoenix or is that excessive?
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>>1572259
Bit excessive. The white makes the star seem like a seperate thing rather than part of the phoenix.
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>>1572259
Personally I like the contrast and the throwback of a white star as they say in the old world "only yellow skinned commies use yellow stars!" but yeah it should be easy to make it yellow

The blue is adjustable. Not sure what Richer means, I gather heavier toward the blue than the violet/indigo scale.

Just need 3 votes on an action to start working on the turn
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>>1572267
Essentially a richer colour just means a greater contrast. Further along one of the three scales so to speak.


Aye that one looks far better and you have a good point about the white star.
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>>1572107
>All that's needed is to figure out how to get the water to BigMT. Pipeline or truck.
We could build a small outpost here and begin large scale fuel farming, then begin moving some water by truck.
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Sine were talking flags can someone make a motif of a star with American stripes to it's right, left and south looking like a birds wings and tail?
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>>1572330
Any vote/proposal for the main action right now?
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>>1572330
Construction of a pipeline could be achieved quite easily. Seeing as we just need a water tight pipe that isn't going to contaminate the water.


Based off of materials naturally available in region for mining, we should make it out of copper which is accurate to real world water pipes. However we will still need to create a pumping, cleaning and de-irradiating (if possible or needed) station.
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>>1572334
I'll support >>1572148
>>1572335
We can build a pipeline instead, but i really suggest we set up an outpost and build some fuel farms here.
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>>1572340
Oh aye, it'll take a fair bit of time to create the pipeline so our people can set things up in region while we are constructing it.


Which brings me to my next question: should we build it above or below the ground? Above ground will be quicker and easier but less secure however below ground will take time to shift the soil yet will conceal the pipe from detection and from attack.
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>>1572345
First we need boosting stations and the like. You cant even get water across a large city without a main pump and some booster stations. Which would be big pumps.
And those would require lots of work and resources.
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>>1572422
I have a solution: borrowed from the human heart.

If we can induce suction on one end and make use of one way valves, then the water can't flow back and is slowly but constantly dragged towards it's destination.


Failing that, just build some windmills on the surface to power a few basic boosters underground if it's such a problem. Which I really doubt.


Also, we should probably put in a small pair of pipes next to this one to carry fuel between towns. Maybe even a power cable or something so they can have electricity without any shit on their end.
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>>1572456
Probably wont work for extebded distance s. If the pipe has a cross section of 1m^2, and is just 1 km long, youd be pushing 1000 tons with all the friction that comes with it.
With one pump, it would be exponentially huge compared to multiple smaller ones.
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>>1572471
True but you are assuming we can't get assistance from gravity.


Also, the valves will work fine at lower pressures, seeing as they occur primarily in the human body in lower pressure regions.


However we need OP's opinion on the whole thing before we can really start thinking this sort of shit through.


Worst comes to worst, we add underground pumping stations and shit and call it a day.
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>>1572148
LOCKED

Gimme 1d100s please anons
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>1572665
By what luck I bear, may this roll be good...
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>>1572674
Dang son
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>>1572676
The dice gods are kind this day!
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Rolled 31, 77 = 108 (2d100)

>>1572674
Doh fine, I'll do the other 2
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Do you want more rolls OP?
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>>1572701
You should've asked for more. Some OP's don't like anons rolling more than once unless their other players aren't present.
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>>1572711
I'll notify it next time.

Anyway, writing
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Rolled 63, 69, 66 = 198 (3d100)

>>1572701
>>1572674
Rolling for reasons
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>>1572674
>>1572912
You tell Riddick you'll find a way to get them away from the car, and try to create an opening for him. It's not what he would have done, but he agrees.

You walk up to them and plan to draw them away from the car.

It works, they approach you and yell at you to "HALT!"

Which you do, and let them come to you, guns pointed.

>You
[Howdy there! Welcome to earth!]

>Merc 1
"Stay where you are savage."

>Merc
"Did he just call his planet dirt? Look at that primitive power armor. Is that fucking nuclear powered?"

>Merc 1
"Whole bloody planet is one giant nuclear mess. Its the same fucking story."

Alright savage, you're gonna stand right there and you're gonna answer us some questions got it?"

>You
[Sure. Least I can do for visitors. Hey, they still use gunpowder weapons in space? Thought you guys would have gone to energy weapons]

>Merc 2
"Energy weapons are a pain in the ass to maintain"

>Merc 1
"Stop fucking conversing with it.

Alright, look here savage, see this man? Have you seen him anywhere?"

He holds a hologram in his palm, displaying Riddick. It cycles through him wearing different outfits, sometimes in diguise, other times in some kind of fancy armor

>You
[Yeah I've seen him. Tall guy, bald, about 6 feet. Eyes that glow at night. Why? Are you after him?]

>Merc 2
"You have any idea how dangerous this man is? He's got a 3 million credit bounty on his head. He killed the goddamn leader of the Necro's and then he bailed on em!"

>Merc 1
"Shut the fuck of Kyleth."

He points his gun at you

"Okay savage. Take us to him."

>You
[Why? He's right behind you]
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Going to log off now.


Reminder to all: we need to secure the other town, the one with the mining equipment and such. Please do so next turn with some robots or something.


Must sleep. Don't fuck up and good luck.
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>>1573124
Trona? we're definitely securing that but it's far away, we'll first need fuel and vehicles.
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>>1573091
Screams, shouts, lots of stabbing action and these space bounty hunters with the help of Riddick go down just as well as an earth one.

If only Axe Man were here, he'd have fun.

Meanwhile, the survivors flee to the saftey of their aircraft and begin to take off, and they zoom away. Looks like they're coming back for a strafing run

You pull out your C-Finder and aim it on the ground, hoping that your timing is right.

Just as its guns heat up and prepare to fire, the ship is struck by a blast of light from the sky, sending it crashing to the ground in a huge fireball of molten metal.

>You
[Ha. I love it when they go down fighting. . .] Huh for some reason you feel that was something they should have said.

Still you reap the spoils.
>+7 Space Mercenary Armor
>+7 Super-Caliber Recoil Assist Rifles

Riddick seems to have enjoyed himself as well, meanwhile you gather the other three waiting behind the ridge, rather dumbfounded.

>Dean
"Remind me never to get on your bad side, partner."

All of you drive off into the sunset, headed back to BigMT.

Turn Update incoming.
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>>>>>Food: Average (Recovering)
>>>>>Water: Low (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (HUGE) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)

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You return with the car and your spoils, a hovering ruined spacecraft, Dean Domino, Rachel the slave he rescued and. . .your own slave purchase.

The three of them are quite shocked and awed, even Dean. First at having been in a car (which even for Dean was a very long time ago) and then at the wonders they see entering Big Mountain.

You bring the alien craft and Riddicks Car to the Chinese Warfactory. And unload.

>You
"Dean, I'll get you and Rachel some housing somewhere in the Higg's village. A private boxcar. Christine will be there, you can catch up.

I suppose the others can fill you in."

Dean is just glad to be out of New Vegas and finally somewhere safe and potentially interesting, and you drive his stuff to the Village.

Meanwhile, your slave boy stays at your side.

Hmm, you realize you don't know his name. He seems to be awaiting your next command.
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---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
!NEW!
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
!NEW!
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
300 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

6000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 54
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Hmm, now to tally up the Country stuff
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>>1573224
"First of all, Morse code your name for me, second, you're free."
>>1573233
>Hero
Build the Small concrete mill, when finished do the ribbon cutting thing.
>Civ.
Hold a festival after the concrete mill is finished.
>Construction.
Construct the Small concrete mill.
>Military.
Claim Newberry springs, start patrolling it.
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>>1573244
>Hold a festival after the concrete mill is finished.
Any details? Speech elements?

Are you okay with spending additional Sierra Madre Chips and/or Brahmin?

I'd like cultural actions be where Anon's go all out with the fluffiness
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>>1573262
Not that you strictly have too, but it adds personal touch by you guys
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>1573233
>Construction - Build The Concrete mill

>Civ - Try to RnD some of that new juicy power armor and guns.

>Military - Join training drills

>Hero - Get him and riddick working on the alien craft. Fix it up or atleast learn from Riddick how this shit works.
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>>1573262
Aw shit give me a minute.
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>>1573262
Do we have the orchestra still here?
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>>1573244
>"First of all, Morse code your name for me, second, you're free."
{Master has not given me a name. If Master is "Courier" than I am "Couripor" in the Legion tongue, your slave.

...

I cannot be free, even should Master send me away. I am a slave. My collar marks me, it is a part of me.}

>>1573291
Nope they're in Baker. They gave people the creeps.
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>>1573297
>I am a slave. My collar marks me, it is a part of me.
"It is a part of you only if you allow it to be, this is the place of science, of wonders and horrors many men do not understand, getting rid of that collar is trifle for it, will you accept?"
>Nope they're in Baker. They gave people the creeps.
Damn, but understandable.
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>>1573312
>Couripor
{Master, this slave is humbled and fearful. This slave would not believe you could remove my collar, but must now after what master has shown. This is strange. The Legion trains us to beware of masters who buy to free you, their path is death or degeneracy, a life without order or purpose. This one is fearful of freedom. It is a humble request you order me accept.}
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>>1573350
>Accept it and tell him that We would not free him, We would treat him as an equal.

>>1573312
Stop trying to fucking free him, His entire life has taught him one thing. We are going AGAINST everything he knows.
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>>1573262
Okay, so bring over the orchestra, but station them but get some uniform clothes, to give them uniformity and maybe make them less scary.
They play for dean, who would be center stage, do draw away attention.
Spend chips on food and booze

Make some flags post them around. keep a couple for colonization purposes. Don't own the land if you don't have a flag.

The speech should be something on the lines of "Today marks a the dawn of a new era. No longer do we try to put back together what was broken. Today we build anew. Today we rise from the ashes of nuclear fire to grace the world with light anew. Today is the birth of (insert country name here), the light that burns eternal."
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>>1573262
Here's a rough draft.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, it has been a long, difficult road, but that journey is over, and Big MT is our destination. The technology here is our treasure, and with it's use not only will it make our lives better than any other in the wasteland, it will give us the power to heal the nuclear scars on this land. And it begins here, right before you, with the completion of the Hexcrete plant, which will allow us to build concrete buildings greater than any other, even capable of withstanding nuclear blasts(They can do that right?). This is not the only technology in our hands, we have advanced alien guns and flight just waiting to be researched, vehicles waiting to be fueled, robots waiting to be built."
Can think on how to continue the speech.
>>1573355
Why shouldn't we free him?
And he didn't send his entire life as a slave, he was part of a scavenger group before being caut by the Legion 5 years ago.
>>1573403
Don't spend the chips on booze unless necessary, we already have the plentiful supply we stole from the Legion.
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>>1573435
>>1573350

His asking not to free him, So just let him do his own thing as one of the others and if they ask. Explain shit. Once he gets used to everything, and comes to us then we can free him.
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>>1573435
You estimate his age at around 15-16
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>>1573435
should probably take baby steps, rather than just "You're free, do what you want". Probablyask his opinions on stuff, teach him to write etc.
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>>1573442
Fine, but i have to post one more conversation.
>>1573350
"It is true that Freedom can lead to death and Degeneracy, but only for those drunk on their freedom or the ones who don't know the path they tread. Freedom is more than that, it is the ability act and grow for oneself, to have the opportunity to be the best that you can be. If you are unsure and hesitant i won't force you into liberty, just know that the choice will still be there for you."
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>>1573457
Are you by chance the guy who made Arcade fuck off for abit because of talking to him?
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>>1573460
Nope, that was the guy who wants the automated workforce i believe.
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>>1573457
the first and third sentances might be a bit much
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>>1573471
The "Freedom can lead to degeneracy" and "Just know that the choice will be there" Bit? i think they're necessary, why are they too much?
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>>1573482
The first sentence is not very reassuring and the third sentence isn't very strong. doesn't really fit the tone of the thing.
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>>1573494
Ah, would changing to
"It is true that Freedom could lead to death and Degeneracy, but only for those that do not control themselves."
"If you are still unsure i won't force you into liberty, just know that this choice will be waiting for you, all you need to do is grasp it."
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>>1571763
1 Enclave Pheonix

>>1571775
1 The Commonwealth of Columbia

>>1572067
>>1572087
2 Pheonix Commonwealth of America

Does anyone want to change vote/support for a name?

--

How do you guys feel about this flag? Does anyone want to confirm?

>Y/N
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>>1573531
>Y
There are different eagle emblems i would like to see but this is good.
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>>1573531
I'll do the Commonwealth of Columbia too, the rest of them don't have flow or are a mouthful
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>>1573531
I like the flag,
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>>1573531
I support that flag.

I like the Phoenix Commonwealth
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>>1573510
eh, not much better.
"Be free to live the life that speaks to you. But know restraint. Know limits. Know purpose. And you shall achieve greatness."
"Liberty is a choice that each must make for themselves. You can reject it if that is what you wish. But to those willing to see this through, there will be wonders like never before.
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>>1573531
FLAG LOCKED (unless someone elses posts something more popular)

Hooray.

>>1572067
>>1572087
>>1573576
3 Pheonix Commonwealth of America
"Pheonix Commonwealth" for short.

>>1571775
>>1573562
2 The Commonwealth of Columbia
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>>1573583
Fuck that first bit is good.
Unsure about the "But to those willing to see this through, there will be wonders like never before" I think it's setting up too much high expectations.
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>>1573595
Have to dream big. Kennedy promised 9 years to be on the moon. Gotta give them a goal.

Maybe change the end to
"But to those willing to see this through, you shall be part of something truly special.", then lead into what i suggested >>1573403 for the conclusion
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>>1573244
1 for this action
>>1573276
1 for this action

More votes whenever you can anons. The sooner we get to 3, the faster I can update!
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>>1573244
Supporting
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Rolled 30 (1d100)

>>1573618

vote for >>1573244
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>>1573609
Yea sure, i can work with that.
>>1573350
"Freedom is more than that, it is the ability act and grow for oneself, to have the opportunity to be the best that you can be. Be free to live the life that speaks to you, But know restraint. Know limits. Know purpose. And you shall achieve greatness. Liberty is a choice that each must make for themselves, You can reject it if that is what you wish, But to those willing to see this through, you shall be part of something truly special."
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Rolled 54 (1d100)

>>1573244
Can't believe i went that long without my roll
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>>1573631
Oh, that was for the slave? I thought that was for the main ceremony speech. Oh well. We can reuse material. Not like he'd tell anyone.
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>>1573244
LOCKED

Just need one more 1d100 this time anons

Also there's a lot of contested dialogue, any agreement to what to say to Couripor? (or give him a better name)
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Rolled 19 (1d100)

>>1573662
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>>1573635
>>1573244
LOCKED

Writing
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>>1573662
say >>1573631
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>>1573244
>Claim Newberry springs, start patrolling it.
What sort of permanent garrison do you guys wish to staff here?
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>>1573779
Perhaps a small outpost or sentry fort.
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>>1573779
small outpost with the flag.
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>>1573244
>>1573635
You begin construction of the Small Hexcrete Plant. Step by Step.

Before you can even begin the assembly process, you have to mix and pour the concrete foundations, which themselves have to be water cured.

It turns out it takes a HUGE amount of water to do this. So before even that begins, you spend yet more time necessarily having to ferry water from the newly held Newberry Springs, further causing delays.

Still progress is made, the Chinese War Factory burns bright and hot, day and night, making and milling all the necessary pieces. Thousands, mabye even a a million bolts, screws, and tidbits to huge plates and tanks and conveyor belts. Entire engines built from the ground up by design. Its a colossal undertaking. In the Old World, there would have been different factories and construction firms selling these individual pieces and equipment to be assembled here, but you have no such luck and have to make it all. Jacob Miles seems to have forgotten his future shock, and feels most at ease burying himself in the work.

In short, though you and your robots and engineers work hard, the concrete plant still isn't done. It's got lost more work to do.
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>>1573952
Meanwhile your people make preparations for the festival.

Dean Domino seems to be adapting well to the New World outside of the Sierra Madre, his conversation with Christine was a little bit short and to the point but amicable enough.

Christine for her part is mostly brooding by herself, and is actively avoiding Veronica. You're not entirely sure if Veronica is aware she is here. When you do talk to Christine, she says that she hopes you are amassing forces to fight off Elijah.

Meanwhile, you have Unity introduce her band to Dean Domino.

He reacts rather predictably, that is, overtly disgusted. Until he hears them play.

>Dean
"They're not exactly the most charming band, and I'll be honest when it comes to looks I'd have taken even the Ghosts over them. But they have an ear and an arm for music, I'll give them that. Give me some time to whip up a few pieces, I'll show the crowds something far better than that New Vegas gramphone!"

You amass some extra supplies of drinks from the Sierra Vending Machine, to help offset the water shortage. Luckily the farms have recovered to also provide food.

There are still a few more questions to be addressed though.
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>>1573997
CHOOSE/SPEAK
>What is the theme of this Festival:
Is it a national founding? Why at the end of the construction of a concrete plant, rather than the building of a Capital building? Or do we already have a Capital building, like the DOME?

If there are no national attachments is this just a celebration for the completion of a monument or perhaps our great Concrete plant. What is the significance of the festival, will it be an annual thing or simply a one time big party.

>Celebrations
Will there be fireworks? We can have the securitrons blow up missiles in the air.

>Personal Matters
Are you still interested in that big intimate companion party?


---

Meanwhile a force of securitrons secures Newberry Springs, turning it into an Outpost.
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>>>>>Food: Plentiful (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Above Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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>>1574041
>Is it a national founding? Why at the end of the construction of a concrete plant, rather than the building of a Capital building? Or do we already have a Capital building, like the DOME?
It was supposed to be at the end of the construction of the concrete plant to symbolize that we were going to build anew, now i'm having trouble deciding what the new theme is.
>Will there be fireworks?
Fuck no, don't want the NCR to notice.
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>>1574041
Concrete plant is symbolic of building, not rebuilding. make it the national founding

no fireworks

yes
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>>1573631
He scratches his head, trying to understand all that you said. It seems a lot of those words aren't exactly familiar to him. Or rather, they aren't associated with the same meaning and message you are trying to say.

>Couripor
{This one is not yet ready to comprehend what is offered. If this form of communication is hard, I will ease it.}

In a little bit, he makes something like a keyboard on his arm and programs a simple text-to-speech feature.

"Here master, this way I may speak more quickly."

You do notice at least some improvement, the use of the word "I". You suggest he uses it, saying that its a lot less cumbersome than "this slave" or "this one". That might help break him out of this funk hopefully.

It seems, unless you order him to accept freedom or at least his voice, his comfort zone and moral understanding is that of being a slave. He has very little value on his own opinion.

He does seem to like the idea of your state though. And he does have some opinions, primarily on order and following one's lot in life, and giving one's all to the state and those above you. As the gods will it.
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---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
!NEW!
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
200 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips
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>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 55
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Thus far this is the way your nation is shaped up to be.

>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America (most dominant)
>Flag: see >>1573531 [LOCKED]
>Government: Autocracy (most dominant)
>Specific Organization [see mayors, etc.] (not yet decided)
>Written Constitution/Laws? (not yet decided)
>Cultural Values / Ideology (not yet decided)
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>1574041
>Its a national founding once we get the plant up and running, to show we are ready to go.

>Fire missiles into the air and stuff, make it flashy.

>Yes

>>1574114

>Civ - RnD those guns son as best we can, Have Riddick help out sense he knows guns.

>Construction - Keep working on the cemete mill.

>Military - build up defenses like sand bags and stuff at the springs.

>Hero - Spend time with the kid while reading and maintaining our kit.
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>>1574255
all this sounds fine and i'm liking the roll
BUT
no fireworks please, seems too risky. throwing a big party with live music is conspicuous enough and we're trying to lie low until we've amassed a formidable force
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Rolled 17 (1d100)

>>1574255
yeah, sure go with this
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>>1574282
otherwise, supporting >>1574255.
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>>1574255
LOCKED

need one more 1d100
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>>1574235
>Written Constitution/Laws?
Having a written constitution would likely limit our autocratic powers - unless we ignore it (like most autocracies do), thereby msking having one useless.

I'd suggest that we follow the British model and have a common law system which is built up over time, without a single founding document. It is less restrictive and more adaptable to changing circumstances.

There is the downside that we basically start with no laws - and it does empower our 'Senate' somewhat, at least in the early years.
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Rolled 100 (1d100)

>>1574297
Rollin'
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>>1574306
...

How do you guys keep doing that
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>>1574303
Could always just put a disclaimer at the top

"I the Courier reserve the right to basically do whatever I want"
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>>1574314
>100
>on teaching the kid of RULES OF NATURE.

Also nice to finally get better gun designs with the shear CLUSTER FUCK of things we're fighting.
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>>1574303
Sounds good.
For regional governance i was thinking of simple mayors for towns and governors later on for states, but they act as representatives for us. So if we want something done, even if its in multiple townships. We want a strong centralized government
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>>1574314
Booyah!

Makes that work on the flag worth it. Time to have a kick-ass national founding!
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>>1574322
>Brain
"Really now. I had hoped you'd go the full technocratic route.

I believe I could expand and create a series of programs to manage territorial organizational systems. I might even test one out here.

Surely that would be the strongest system of government. Need i remind the securitrons are doing all the police work."
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>>1574338
Tell me of the giant war bots.
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>>1574388
"Giant War Bots, hmm, we will probably need at least the resources of something like the Mojave for that. They will be a feat even the Old World would have scarce been able to achieve."

Also is that drawfag who was willing to draw guns still around?
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Concerning the slave, can't we just use the auto-doc to remove the collar? Actually, can the auto-doc heal his muteness?

It seems we haven't given him any tasks. I suggest the default tasks he will do is to maintain and improve his repair and technical abilities, he should learn what he can from Raul, Riddick and any other companions who are technically skilled.
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>>1574338
I prefer the Brain approach, a fully autocratic regime.

If we are going with mayors and senators, they should be accompanied with AIs which will keep things in check. That way there will be a human face for the population and programs for best efficiency.
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>>1574417

Are the bounty hunter armors and weapons better than what we have. And did we get the wreckage of their craft?
We could reverse engineer it for new technology, things like better computers and power sources
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>>1574417
Is there a way to fabric goods out of nothingness or steel like our bots guns do? Just have them firing over a pot to fill with casings and then metal them down?
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>>1574482
I actually like this approach. Melding the Human aspect with our tech tree.
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>>1574476
Yes and yes

Guys i'm still up for a while so i hope you are too, trying cook up something good for that 100
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>>1574497
>Brain
"Not in any cost effective manner no.

You will notice that each of the individual missiles of the securitron is weaker than those of a true missile launcher, and that the missile launcher of a sentry bot is quite slow intentionally."
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>>1574506
I vote we heal his muteness. He may freak out if we remove his collar though.
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>>1574511
I meant the gatling gun, They don't overheat. So we could have 4 of them running day and night with the shell casings and design a thing to catch the bullets that actually went as well.
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>>1574506
Okay if the slave feels it is too early for freedom, lets just fix his muteness at least.
We are also dealing with 5 years of intense brainwashing. Lets ask our companions (especially the followers) to talk with the slave, to teach him our ideals and their thoughts on freedom and slavery. It will be a long-term rehabilitation process. Step by step.


Also, I don't like the name he chose. If I understood correctly, Couripor means "your slave".
I suggest Matthew for no other reason just because I feel like it. Or whatever name he had before they were captured by the legion.
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>>1574530
You ask him if he had a name before his slave name, before he was captured. He says it was "Harland"
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>>1574536
I think that name is good as any. I suggest we call him that.
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With the dwindling scavenging resources in reasonable distance, I think we should start thinking how we will deal with it.

One idea I had is to set up a scavenging task force, a huge operation where hundreds of securitons and people along with many companions make long distance scavenging runs where they literally strip a location of anything remotely useful in one go.


Another thing we could do is to cannibalize the alien craft. Though I'm not sure if their alloys are compatible with ours.


Or we could set up a trade somehow. Obviously the suppliers wont be coming to our base, we would need to find a trade location.


Anyone have any ideas how we will deal with resource shortage?
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>>1574235
Personally i think we should go for a Autocratic Empire whose states are republics/democracies for minor issues and whose economy is Distributist with a automated workforce. Our cultural values should be thrift, hard work, education and community spirit.
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>>1574637
>One idea I had is to set up a scavenging task force, a huge operation where hundreds of securitons and people along with many companions make long distance scavenging runs where they literally strip a location of anything remotely useful in one go.
Or we could just make for fuel farms and use vehicles to cross the distances.
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>>1574651
>Our cultural values should be thrift, hard work, education and community spirit.

these are important, we can't have people fall into overconsumption and decadence because robots will do most of the work and they be provided with most stuff for free.

>>1574655
I didn't mean they walk these distances. Of course the scavenging force will use vehicles. They need to transport that stuff back. I'm just saying that if we do it like that, we can strip everything from one location in one action without having to spend actions over and over again.
Also, it will provide with added security.
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>>1574663
>and they be provided with most stuff for free.
Wait when did we agree to provide free stuff? It was Healthcare, food and shelter before.
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>>1574669
>It was Healthcare, food and shelter before.

that's not free stuff?
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>>1574696
Why the fuck would we give free stuff that's not what humans need to live? Let people build, sell and buy that stuff.
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>>1574637
>Not repairing the alien craft to use as the truck
>not using it to explore other locations in SPACEEEE
>not using it to set up a mining orbition or bring in fresh asteroids to our world.
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>>1574703
Alternatively, you could mass produce basic versions of mort common items - such as chairs.

This would leave a space for humans to come in and create individualised or more delux versions - such a wooden chairs with soft velvet padding.

Essentially, we want to recreate the old pre-industrial cottage industries, without sacrificing a base standard of living guaranteed by mass production of goods.
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>>1574784
Stuff like shit furniture? Yea sure i was thinking it was already part of the free housing.
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>>1574789
I mean basic versions of everything - watches, furniture, clothes, food, etc

To get anything even slightly better, you have to buy it from a human
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>>1573531
Fixed the flag
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>>1574669
>>1574663
>Brain
"Hmmm, I believe one of your many thoughts was of a society where the basic necessities of living were provided for free, while higher luxuries would have to be purchased at a steep price. Have you considered that?

I myself am intrigued on the idea, I believe we could prove it on the small scale. And perhaps even the large scale.

I know you well enough at least. Fill all your basic needs for free, free decent food, clothing, housing and even medical care and you'd still be bored enough to leave and go out and muck about in ancient radioactive vaults for some new excitement and stimulus.

The basic necessities of life could potentially be provided for free, but people will always seek out stimulus. Make them work for it and surely that should prevent total complacency."

Got some work to do today fellas, but shouldn't be that long hopefully.
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>>1574883
Thanks anon!
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>>1574809
We could give everyone decent shit and cultivate a culture based on man bettering .
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>>1574912
Let's not give people luxurious shit for free, just make jobs pay really well and stuff really cheap to buy.
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>>1574916
We have the potential to move past money.
Unless we directly dictate pays, then things would start imbalancing. Also if we are directly controlling pay, then why even pay people- just give them the stuff they want in exchange for their work.
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>>1574925
>>1574916
>Brain
"Really, I mean, right now with our communal like provisions of rations, free water, and rationed lobotomite sex not to mention our reserving of the Sierra Madre chips for our discretion, money does not even form a part of our current state economy.

Instead what we have is somewhat comparable to a black market. The people who do seem to be using and profiting off money right now are a few hoarders and scavengers, people pay them bottlecaps for a little extra of what they want. Then they use those bottlecaps to get extra things or favors of people.

I've been doing some observation with the securitrons and its all quite interesting dynamics. There are a number of small private service businesses opening up even amid the relative squalor (though, with the public baths its a lot less squalid than before). You have a small number of women offering private services as cleaning maids, cooks, and voluntary prostitutes in exchange for bottlecaps, which they use to buy things as a single example. But there are other small businesses that have formed.

Sometimes it poses a fire or disease hazard and I have to make them move."
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>>1574933
Well, as it stands we don't have the resources to supply everyones wants and need.
But later, when we do have the capability, we could have people who do things because they want to, not because they have to.
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>>1574933
>Brain
"Hey, on that note we could really use some firefighting robots. We have been exceedingly lucky in that regard. My vigililant eye has me watching out all the time for fires and snuffing them out as soon as they are seen, but one fire that gets out of control and we're going to be in a lot of trouble."
>>
What should our Motto and Anthem be?
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>>1575003
"No imitation, only innovation."
"The best of the past trumps the worst of future."
"Clad in willpower."
"Old world values without the mistakes."
"Champions of the New World."
"America, the land of inspiration."
"Prosperity through adversity."
"We will never die."

just spitballing mottos here
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>>1575013
" A light shining in the darkness"
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>>1574322
We aren't going to have states. We will have administrative regions of different sizes but states has historical meaning as a union of groups rather than groups of a nation. If that makes sense.

>>1574637
Zeppelins. We send them to Utah-Nevada border and set up a Iron mining and steel refining operation before shipping it back either in zeppelins or as zeppelins. Possibly look into setting up copper mining as we would be in the region for that as well.


>>1574939
"Surely with all of our buildings being metal or concrete the problem isn't that bad? If so I can think of a few ways of improving fire safety you could implement like forcing all such fire risk creating businesses into a specific region. Declare it a market or something.


Also send some securitrons to salvage the crashed bounty hunter ship. Maybe we can get something good from it..."

>>1575003
>Motto

"Through unity: strength, through strength: progress."

"All else is stagnation. We are innovation."

"Freedom brings progress. Unity brings peace."

"The rising sun, shines bright in the darkness."

>Anthem
I still say a altered version of the Soviet national anthem would be good, seeing as we have a good orchestra and could make it sound beautiful.


However I'd also say that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXvLyCpc6Fs
could work with minimal changes.


Also, I told you guys to claim that mining town! Why haven't we gotten round to that? Do you know how much value we could extract from those mining machines and anything else in those mines, assuming they haven't been mined out? Not to mention denying the NCR more land. It's only a matter of time until they claim it...
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>>1575042
Bounty hunting ship is smack dab in legion owned mojave. Largish scale retrieval would be rather difficult.
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>>1575042
>"Surely with all of our buildings being metal or concrete the problem isn't that bad?

>Brain
"Indeed thats actually been a major benefit. But there are other fire risks. Various tents to add space, curtains and sunroofs. Personal belongings, mattresses, ad hoc insulation. Many people are using stoves to warm their houses at night. That sort of thing."
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>>1575042
Also i believe we have some bots squating at trona. Its just we dont have the ability for a human population like newberry.
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>>1575050
"Don't tell me we are going to have to institute building standards this early into our civilisation?


At least once we have the Hexcrete production online we can start making some apartment blocks and such. Speaking of which I managed to think up some basic floor plans if you want to see them?"


>>1575060
I don't think so but if we do then that is good enough. Since the NCR can't really force us off of our lands...
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>>1574936
>But later, when we do have the capability, we could have people who do things because they want to, not because they have to.
That's what i want, i just don't want to get rid of money, basically i want a society where a box of electronics cost 5$, television is 25$ and a car costs 500$, everything is nice and affordable with just one paycheck.
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>>1575042
>Also, I told you guys to claim that mining town! Why haven't we gotten round to that?
Because it's as far away as New Vegas, which is 3 days of travel, we need to set up more fuel production first so we can have a vehicle convoy bring the metals back.
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>>1575358
So why have money? Money is pointless when there are so many resources supply becomes infinite. Theoretically, everything would be worth nothing.
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>>1575367
>Money is pointless when there are so many resources supply becomes infinite.
We have yet to reach the point of infinite supply, until we give families their own Sierra machine AND the knowledge of how they work and how to fix them we need a monetary system.
Also we don't know what the reversed engineered Sierra machines could possibly need to make stuff, if they still need metal or a fission battery we'll need a(Very basic) monetary system to decide who deserves the machine fuel more.
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>>1575358
I can see the logic to that but I'd argue that we shouldn't get so worried about long term economic policy when all of our current major industry is state owned and everything else is essentially a service industry.


>>1575364
And? We just need to claim it and then I'll stop worrying. Extracting the metal value can be done slowly in the coming months if we need it but making sure the NCR don't get it is my priority.


>>1575367
I kinda agree. I would argue that as of this moment, we shouldn't bother with money: just give the people their daily needs and shit. A tot of alcohol, any medical needs, their daily bread and water. Anything more is something they can trade for in a resource based exchange.


>>1575372
Refer to the above system. They all get a weekly allowance and if they want more, they have to cunningly trade with others for goods, services or ideas. Maybe we can make stocks a thing and have government programs receive additional fund from the people under the assumption of receiving something in return long term or seeing a change in their community they want.
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>>1575380
>And? We just need to claim it and then I'll stop worrying.
Because we'll be doing fuck all with the mine but i see your point, i'll use the military action to claim it.
>They all get a weekly allowance.
A weekly allowance of what exactly? Cause if it's money i must refuse.
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>>1575390
Here's your daily gallon of soylent. Dont choke on it.
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>>1575397
>Soylent is a brand of meal replacement products that are advertised for consumption as "staple meals", and are available in the U.S. and Canada as a pre-mixed beverage or in powdered form for mixing with water.
Oh yea, sure that's fine.
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>>1575401
I was taking about the green goop to make into vedgetables. Just forgot the name. Soilent?
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>>1575397
Essentially that yeah. More precisely:

1) The mass of food needed to provide you with your daily nutrition / energy. All fairly basic shit: grains, beans, fruit and veg. Little meat or fish unless you need the additional protein but enough to supply your vital proteins that your body can't produce.

Seeing as we can provide most of that in Salient green (don't think we can do meat but maybe we can? Or we might make a Salient red...). We can avoid any sorts of problems with food variety assuming people know how to prepare it into it's refined forms and shit. Assuming Salient green actually provides that shit, we can abandon all that and just give them a canister of that and consumption / preparation instructions.

2) A supply of non-irradiated, clean and disinfected drinking water along with water for showering and stuff counted separately. (Possible third section for cooking water? Encourage use of high water efficiency methods?) If you use all your water you can't get more until your next allowance unless you get it off someone else.

3) An allowance of alcohol, drugs or other such entertainment / pleasure materials. Not much but enough to turn their boring existence into a decent one. Far from enough alcohol to get truly drunk and nowhere near enough drugs to overdose but enough to enjoy the effects.

4) An allowance of either cooking fuel like wood, coal, oil or such OR a supply of electricity. Sufficient for X (I'm thinking nine to eight) hours of lighting and for cooking using an electrical hot-plate / microwave.


We can see about providing more stuff as our civilisation advances if needed.
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>>1575421
salient green.
>>1575422
1) I disagree with giving people the foods you have listed, instead we should give them bad tasting but healthy military rations so they are encouraged to farm tastier food for themselves.

3) I agree on giving them alcohol but i must disagree with giving them more complicated entertainment/pleasure materials, that way they are encouraged to produce their own entertainment, we will possibly see our own unique cultural games and pastimes.
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>>1575437
I disagree. We dont want an agricultural economy. We want an information economy. Salient means everyone can have fruits and vedgetables without being farmers, or importing from peru. Does the Robot programmer not deserve good food too?
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>>1575437
>1) I disagree with giving people the foods you have listed, instead we should give them bad tasting but healthy military rations so they are encouraged to farm tastier food for themselves.
Nope. It's easier to convince people to come work for you if your food tastes good and seeing as we have so few people that will be a necessity.

This is something we can give them for relatively cheap seeing as we can turn Salient green into proper plants and thus fruit, grains, beans and vegetables are easily done. Meat is something they should have to work for however beyond the amount required to provide the various vital proteins that your body can't replace or produce.

>3) I agree on giving them alcohol but i must disagree with giving them more complicated entertainment/pleasure materials, that way they are encouraged to produce their own entertainment, we will possibly see our own unique cultural games and pastimes.
At no point did I offer complex things like music, TV, radio or video games. Only simplistic chemicals and possibly some luxurious foods in small amounts to convince them that staying here is worthwhile and to attract more people. Plus good morale.


Also something I just remembered. We should make bikes. They are useful for augmenting our ability to travel without using fuel. Especially since they can be attached to a cart to carry cargo.
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>>1575453
Bikes are good. No one ever uses bikes in post apoc. Media, even though they are so helpful.
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>>1575457
It's because bikes aren't cool. I know that by all logic we should see more of them but even I can see that in the rule-of-cool world that is post apoc. media that shit ain't gonna fly.
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>>1575453

Speaking of making food taste good

Y'know, there is something I figured that we could grow.

Sugar cane

Going to need a way to refine it into sugar, but can you imagine the benefits for being the nation that's able to sell sugar? Or am I deluded and that the NCR or somehow the Legion has sugar too?
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>>1575444
Then we are at an impasse, i want Subsistence agriculture and self sufficiency, you want a welfare state.
>Does the Robot programmer not deserve good food too?
The Robot programmer will grow enough food for himself and his family with advanced agricultural techniques.
>>1575453
>It's easier to convince people to come work for you if your food tastes good and seeing as we have so few people that will be a necessity.
Or we can convince people to come by offering security, education and a good life, no need to give them food when we can give them the power to grow their own food with extreme ease.
>At no point did I offer complex things like music, TV, radio or video games. Only simplistic chemicals and possibly some luxurious foods in small amounts to convince them that staying here is worthwhile and to attract more people. Plus good morale.
Then we are in agreement.
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>>1575461
With Newberry we can grow a lot of crops don't you worry.
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>>1575467

Hooray! Time to get people to the great taste of refined sugar.

Plus, when we start growing coffee beans. We better make some turkish coffee
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>>1575461
Well, the Legion actually might have sugar cane already looking at one or two maps I found of regions that grow it but the NCR should be lacking unless they are using greenhouses to grow it which would be expensive or their Mexican lands have it. Possible but given the situation in mexico was even worse than america, I doubt that the Sugar farming industry survived or any large amounts of the plant.


They will however both lack sugar beet which has the benefit of growing in colder / non-tropical regions.
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>>1575465
>Or we can convince people to come by offering security, education and a good life, no need to give them food when we can give them the power to grow their own food with extreme ease.
Those are things the NCR offers which is where most of our potential recruits will be coming from for the near and possibly distant future.

>Then we are in agreement.
That we are.

>>1575467
Correct, especially if we modify the plants to reduce their water needs.

>>1575475
Again, I say we should just grow spices and sell them to people. Seeing as we could make a killing of of small masses of cinnamon and shit.
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>>1575476

Well, I can see us reviving the sugar industry. While we're at it, what about salt?
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>>1575482
>Those are things the NCR offers which is where most of our potential recruits will be coming from for the near and possibly distant future.
The we must be better than them at these offers, which is easy with our technology.
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>>1575483
No good. The NCR has access to the ocean where they can get a shit ton thanks to the sun and the Legion has tribes that live on great salt flats. Neither group has need for salt.


>>1575489
Which is what mine is.

Do you know how many people we can get with a promise of a meals every day, advance medical care and a drink every night? I'd be more so worried about stretching our resources thin than I would us being beaten down by the NCR.
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>>1575465
WelfaRe state has such negative connotations.Its bot like people are going to pick up there food, eat a good meal and sit around for the rest of the day.

As long as people do something with their lives, who are we to say no?
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>>1575497

Well shit. There goes my idea.

Also the idea you have will either lead to an easy living paradise for the people. Or something Huxley would look upon and say "Fine job kid."
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>>1575497
>Do you know how many people we can get with a promise of a meals every day, advance medical care and a drink every night?
Yes but i also think we will get lot's of good people by promoting and showing our values of self sufficiency, superior education and a good, virtuous life.
>>1575499
>WelfaRe state has such negative connotations.
Just calling it like i see it.
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>>1575513
Problem with having everyone dabble in farming is it takes away from doing other things. The doctor heal, artists add to culture, crafters make. All are part of the whole, and deserve its fruits just as much as the one who grows them.
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>>1575512
>Also the idea you have will either lead to an easy living paradise for the people.
Easy living, yes. Good living? Not so much without working hard or being smart.

>Or something Huxley would look upon and say "Fine job kid."
Assuming everyone in the nation is happy and it is actually stable and productive, I wouldn't mind that.


>>1575513
>Yes but i also think we will get lot's of good people by promoting and showing our values of self sufficiency, superior education and a good, virtuous life.
I am not going to get into an argument over virtue and all that shit since it's a thing I can't be bothered doing today.


However I would point out nothing in my system lowers the focus on education.
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>>1575527
>Problem with having everyone dabble in farming is it takes away from doing other things.
Not enough to be a problem with superior agricultural techniques, i think the bonus of Self sufficiency and knowing how to grow crops in emergencies is worth it.
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>>1575539
The most superior farming technique, comparing effort in to product out is automation. If we allow people robots, someon is going to develop a mr handy that can garden, which ends with everyone with a mr handy that gardens.
At which point no one would be gardening.
Unless we ban agricultural robots for some dumb reason.
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>>1575574
Or we promote gardening as a virtuous deed, promoting people who grow and harvest crops alongside their Mr handy, making the harvest very quick and allowing the person to do their job.
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>>1575576
Why promote gardening. Promote general doing stuff, or following your passion as a virtuous deed. Makes for a happier society.
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>>1575578
Because if a emergency happens knowing how to farm will be a good skill, on top of being self sufficient in food.
My system is a copy of the byzantine system, which was very robust and strong.
http://history-world.org/Byzatines.htm
>Security and wealth encouraged an active political, cultural, and intellectual life. The widespread literacy and education among men and women of various segments of society would not be matched in Europe until, perhaps, eighteenth-century France. Until its fall in 1453, the Byzantine Empire remained a shining fortress, attracting both invaders and merchants.

>Heraclius' system, known as the theme system, had been tested when the emperor had ruled North Africa. Acting on the lessons of the past four centuries, he assumed that defense was a constant need and that free peasant soldiers living in the theme (district) they were defending would be the most effective and efficient force. He installed the system first in Anatolia, and his successors spread it throughout the empire for the next two centuries. Heraclius' scheme provided sound administration and effective defense for half of the cost formerly required. ^3 As long as the theme system with its self-supporting, land-owning, free peasantry endured, Byzantium remained strong. When the theme system and its free peasantry were abandoned in the eleventh century, the empire became weak and vulnerable.
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>>1575590
That seems like a money saving measure by training farmers how to fight, which is a different situation to what we want.
Our army can be as big as we want, and we dont have to scale up food production to match.
Byzantium was not strong because everyone could farm. It was strong because it could feed a strong army.
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>>1575602
>Byzantium was not strong because everyone could farm. It was strong because it could feed a strong army.
A strong army of Land owning, self-supporting peasantry, defending the farm you own from invaders was a really good morale booster. Having our people capable of being both soldiers and farmers in a pinch is extremely valuable.
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>>1575574
Essentially yeah.

>>1575576
Don't do that. That is making them do pointless work...

>>1575578
This.

>>1575590
That is a lovely concept except for a few things:

1) The system is incredibly old and lacks any sorts of ability to deal with the changes since then potentially.

2) The system isn't useful for a modern society: self-dependency is inefficient for a modern industrial society.

3) We don't plan on making use of peasants for the army. Seeing as we plan on making use of a mostly robot force backed by human elites.

>>1575602
Also because of a technological superiority over their neighbours, strong military traditions and a well-founded social order...that was brought down by a decadent royal family towards the end and the invention of the cannon.
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>>1575605
Home and farm is interchangeable for that purpose- people fight hard when their beds and lively hoods are at risk.

As for all our people knowing how to fight, thats a different argument all together, not really applicaple to everyone being a farmer.
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>>1575606
>Don't do that. That is making them do pointless work...
It's not pointless work if it's easy work, i think with our tech it'll take just an hour to harvest and create food from crops with a Mr handy to assist, that leaves lot's of time for jobs and hobbies while promoting self-sufficiency.
>1) The system is incredibly old and lacks any sorts of ability to deal with the changes since then potentially.
What does being old matter? The technological changes since then only helps since it makes farming faster.
>2) The system isn't useful for a modern society: self-dependency is inefficient for a modern industrial society.
No it's not, we'll still have industrial farming with salient green, this just makes our people individually better as well.
>3) We don't plan on making use of peasants for the army. Seeing as we plan on making use of a mostly robot force backed by human elites.
As i said, in case of emergencies, being prepared for the worst is a good policy.
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>>1575613
If things have gotten so bad that the warbots are all gone, then a peasant militia aint gonna do anything
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>>1575617
>If things have gotten so bad that the warbots are all gone, then a peasant militia ain't gonna do anything
Bullshit, if the warbots fall the militia is a good second line of defense. I don't understand why we have to only rely on the warbots.
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>>1575621
The securitrons are worth 20 militia men and number like 1/3 the population. If something can destroy all that they would tear through a decently trained militia.

As time goes on the ratio of bots to man would only increase, meaning if somethibg happens then, then the milia are even worse off.
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>>1575605
A strong army of Land owning, self-supporting peasantry, defending the farm you own from invaders was a really good morale booster. Having our people capable of being both soldiers and farmers in a pinch is extremely valuable.
That may very well be true but:

1) We have not and almost certainly will not have peasantry anytime in the near or distant future. As very few people will ever be employed in farming.

2) The "this land is mine" morale boost doesn't do shit whenever your enemy isn't something you can fight like an artillery barrage. It also doesn't help to take the fight to the enemy.

3) Having our people be soldiers and farmers is kinda annoying. Many people aren't good soldiers and many people aren't good farmers.

4) None of our people own any land and seeing how things are going, that might stay the case.

>>1575613
>It's not pointless work if it's easy work, i think with our tech it'll take just an hour to harvest and create food from crops with a Mr handy to assist, that leaves lot's of time for jobs and hobbies while promoting self-sufficiency.
That is a large amount of time. Approximately one sixth of a school day in my nation. Also our tech makes it so that human harvesting is hugely inefficient.

>What does being old matter? The technological changes since then only helps since it makes farming faster.
It also renders it so that they have no reason to farm: your system was from a era where 96% of humanity was farmers because we needed that many to feed the rest. Now one man can with a few machines produce food for hundreds or even no men and just a few machines.

>No it's not, we'll still have industrial farming with salient green, this just makes our people individually better as well.
Then you are just pointlessly trying to get them to do pointless work. Brain won't like it and our people won't either since tech could do it instead for little cost.

>As i said, in case of emergencies, being prepared for the worst is a good policy.
I know, I am someone who plans on everyone knowing how to use a gun. I don't however think your system is any way effective.
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>>1575624
>The securitrons are worth 20 militia men and number like 1/3 the population. If something can destroy all that they would tear through a decently trained militia.
Unless the weapons they use are only effective on the robots, like using pulse guns and bombs. Certainly not impossible that a enemy is only good against robots.
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>>1575626
>Unless the weapons they use are only effective on the robots, like using pulse guns and bombs. Certainly not impossible that a enemy is only good against robots.
Well how about we consider our potential enemies?

>Legion
Use conventional weapons. Are quite effective against both robots and people.

>NCR
Use conventional weapons. Are quite effective against both robots and people.

>BOS
Use conventional and energy weapons. Are very effective against both robots and people.

>Elijah
Use conventional, theoretical and energy weapons. Are immensely effective against both robots and people.

>Aliens
Use conventional, unknown and energy weapons. Are very effective against both robots and people.
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>>1575626
Anyone that prepared against us specifically would not be detered by a peasant militia.
If they bring that much pulse weaponry, then they're gonna have some good meat killers.
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>>1575625
1) I never said our people will be payed to farm, just that they would farm to make their own food.

2) Morale doesn't work like that, it certainly helps take the fight to the enemy when you say "These guys want to destroy our land and way of life".

3) I recall you want to promote researching as a large human industry despite criticisms of not all people not being good researchers, if you can do that i can make many people good farmers.

4) Haha, no it fucking won't.

>That is a large amount of time. Approximately one sixth of a school day in my nation. Also our tech makes it so that human harvesting is hugely inefficient.
1 hour for farming, 6 hours for education or job, 5 hours for personal time, that's not bad. And it's not about efficiency, it's about promoting self sufficiency among our people.
>It also renders it so that they have no reason to farm: your system was from a era where 96% of humanity was farmers because we needed that many to feed the rest. Now one man can with a few machines produce food for hundreds or even no men and just a few machines.
Again, the reason for Subsistence agriculture is to promote self sufficiency.
>Then you are just pointlessly trying to get them to do pointless work. Brain won't like it and our people won't either since tech could do it instead for little cost.
It's not pointless work if it teaches them a valuable skill.
>I know, I am someone who plans on everyone knowing how to use a gun. I don't however think your system is any way effective.
I disagree.
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>>1575652
Farming isnt easy work. You cant farm enough to feed a family of 4 good food all the time with 1 hour a day, unless you automate most of the process. At which point, people would just automate the rest.
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>>1575638
That's not how it works. If our robot army can withstand against those weapons, which they have to if we plan to fight them, than so can our people by giving them equivalent weapons and armor. And you don't take into account weapons that are more effective at specific enemies like the pulse weapons or tactics that take advantage of inherent flaws.
If the robots fall because the enemy exploited a unique weakness they can't do the same with humans.
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>>1575655
Then we make it easy work by using our technology, hell didn't we have an option for crops that harvested themselves once, if we can do that shit why is 1 hour of farming to feed 4 impossible?
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>>1575660
Armour is heavy. Robots can be much stronger than a human, at roughly the same size. Therefore you can put bigger guns and heavier armour on a robot.

Well power armour closes the gap, be we cant build those right now.
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>>1575664
At that point the farmer does pretty much nothing, and learns nothing. Either they spend little time and learn little from the endeavor, or they spend lots of time learning alot.
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>>1575652
>1) I never said our people will be payed to farm, just that they would farm to make their own food.
Then the majority won't do it.

>2) Morale doesn't work like that, it certainly helps take the fight to the enemy when you say "These guys want to destroy our land and way of life".
Morale does work like that. People can fight shit they can see based off of such simple motivations but only training and I mean proper military training can make troops hold against unstoppable enemies and other such threats.

>3) I recall you want to promote researching as a large human industry despite criticisms of not all people not being good researchers, if you can do that i can make many people good farmers.
Because it's easy to automate every job except research. I would automate that too but then humans would have essentially nothing to do and most people seemingly want humanity gainfully employed so they must be researchers. It also helps that humans are creative, unlike most robots and such.

>4) Haha, no it fucking won't.
It very well might, seeing as they haven't raised any issues with it.

>1 hour for farming, 6 hours for education or job, 5 hours for personal time, that's not bad. And it's not about efficiency, it's about promoting self sufficiency among our people.
>It's not pointless work if it teaches them a valuable skill.
>Again, the reason for Subsistence agriculture is to promote self sufficiency.
Except you are teaching them a pointless skill. Since if they are in civilisation, then we will have our automated farming and if they aren't then chances are there won't be any farms.

>I disagree.
Well that is lovely.

>>1575660
>That's not how it works. If our robot army can withstand against those weapons,
They can't.

>which they have to if we plan to fight them,
Not really. Robots are good at the whole endless waves thing.

>than so can our people by giving them equivalent weapons and armor.
True except for the fact that humans die to so much more shit, like radiation and that equivalent weapons and armour would weigh, quite possibly literal, tons.

>And you don't take into account weapons that are more effective at specific enemies like the pulse weapons or tactics that take advantage of inherent flaws.
That is your opinion, pulse weapons are rare.

>If the robots fall because the enemy exploited a unique weakness they can't do the same with humans.
I didn't know that a weakness to massive kinetic, heat or electrical energy transfers was unique to robots...oh wait, that is because it isn't!
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>>1575666
>Armour is heavy.
Then why the hell did we discuss about making human armor before?
>Well power armour closes the gap, be we cant build those right now.
We couldn't build Hexcrete either but we're about to, can do the same with power armor.
>>1575668
I didn't say we use the self harvesting crops, i just mentioned them as an example of the advanced stuff we can do to speed harvesting up.
>Either they spend little time and learn little from the endeavor, or they spend lots of time learning alot.
People who use sprinklers still know how water is important for crops, same with tractors instead of sickles, spending little time doesn't mean they learn little.
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>>1575683
>Then why the hell did we discuss about making human armor before?
Because we want to have human elites and we kinda need a way of protecting any troops we do make.

>We couldn't build Hexcrete either but we're about to, can do the same with power armor.
You are comparing a good form of concrete to one of the most advanced forms of armour of the pre-war world. Something that was so advanced that even the Brotherhood of steel with their knowledge of the old world couldn't reproduce. Something that only the Enclave had any capability to improve or produce.

>People who use sprinklers still know how water is important for crops, same with tractors instead of sickles, spending little time doesn't mean they learn little.
It kinda does since they learn no useful skills. You know, the entire reason that you want to have them do this.
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>>1575683
We talked about human armour because we want human specialists, and they would need armour. But bots would be frontline.

Then offer a class. Probably works better than hoping they catch on. Or give them a manual.
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>>1574306
These guns are built in with some sort of very advanced reverse engineering self defense mechanism. Really annoying, but not impossible. You can use scans to gain brief glimpses of the internals at a time, but have to tactically choose which elements you want. Your best and brightest believe that with the supply on hand, they can theoretically engineer one of the following weapons into a design that can be readily manufactured by existing means.

CHOOSE:
>An "Idiot Proof Mounted Video Sniper Rifle"

It's some sort of extremely advanced sniper rifle, it has a special miniature TV on it with a powerful telescope. You look at the little TV and aim at a target up to 1200 yards, and mark it on the TV. Then it does all the necessary calculations of trajectory, and adjusts a pair of crosshairs. You have to hold down the trigger, and the moment you line up the crosshair of the gun with that of the TV it fires. Accurately. 100% of the time.

You've tested it, even a little boy who'se never fired a gun before hit a radscorpion in the eyes at 1000 yards.

Drawbacks are that it works best on stationary targets, moving targets and only when the sniper themselves are not on the move, and is most effective when mounted on a tripod. This makes it ideal for robots and defensive positions.

>Gun Shield

Its some sort of attachable module that you can put on a gun and projects a decently sized shield around it, protecting the upper torso and head. It requires energy, but can be seen through effectively acting as a gun shield

>Bolt Gun

Its a heavy weapon, it would take someone with a lot of strength to carry and fire. Riddick calls it a bolt gun, and says its from another Galaxy. It fires special high explosive rounds tipped with a solid penetrator and has special propulsion charges. It actually speeds up, not slows down, as it leaves the gun and buries itself inside a target to explode for heavy damage.

>Maliwan Elementals

This is one of the few energy weapons they have, although technically its also conventional. It has a special energy draining module that converts bullets. There's stuff here for acid, fire, electricity, and explosive all from normal old bullets.

>Energy to Bullets

A replicator! This one turns energy into conventional bullet ammunition! Its close enough to existing knowledge of the Sierra Madre machines to reproduce, and doesn't require radioactive isotopes!

It does guzzle energy like crazy though. On the upshot it can be shrunk down to fit into most standard assault rifles and even future designs, meaning you can power them with energy cells or hook them up to generators instead

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Due to such immense reverse engineering difficulties, its unlikely you will ever be able to further modify or enlarge most of these weapons, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be potent even in their existing form.
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>>1575680
>Then the majority won't do it.
Why?
>Morale does work like that. People can fight shit they can see based off of such simple motivations but only training and I mean proper military training can make troops hold against unstoppable enemies and other such threats.
You mean like our trained militia? Or Guerrilla fighters composed of armed civilians? They don't need to see the white of their eyes to want to fight them dude.
>Except you are teaching them a pointless skill. Since if they are in civilisation, then we will have our automated farming and if they aren't then chances are there won't be any farms.
>What is the collapse of civilization.
>What is the collapse of the agricultural industry.
If the automated farming falls it will be good for our people to know who to farm for themselves.
I was looking for a specific infograph about a guy who survives a social collapse for this but i can't find it.
>They can't.
Yes they can, they could shrug off Legion fire in the Hover dam battle unless ganged up on.
>That is your opinion, pulse weapons are rare.
The god damn Legion used then in the battle.
>I didn't know that a weakness to massive kinetic, heat or electrical energy transfers was unique to robots...oh wait, that is because it isn't!
>Ignoring pulse weapons and the securitron wheel weakness this much.
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>>1575740
>Gun Shield


Give our robots this shit and we can have them form a shield wall and block shit. Hell if a securitron can have one on each shoulder / arm they could probably form a roman testudo.
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>>1575740
I'm partial to the bolter
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>>1575740
Yo QM,

>Energy to Bullets
We have the energy for this right? And if we have enough can we use it to produce steel or convert this into a energy into metal thing?

>Gun Shield
Do our bots have enough energy to use these effectively?

>Bolt Gun
Can our robots successful 'poof' this ammo into existance with there internal weapon factorys?
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>>1575691
>Because we want to have human elites and we kinda need a way of protecting any troops we do make.
We were also going to put them on infantry, why can't we put them on Militia too?

>You are comparing a good form of concrete to one of the most advanced forms of armour of the pre-war world.
A form of concrete created by the Big MT, and that can survive nuclear blasts, it was a challenge for us and the followers.
>You and the Followers spend time watching holotape recordings on the production of cement, which is the most complicated part of the actual concrete manufacturing process, learning chemical equations and pairing them up with actual processes. What took the NCR decades, you are doing in weeks.
>It dawns upon you that to make cement, particularly the type for Hexcrete, even on a small scale you're going to need numerous steel production components, from large kilns (and related blast furnace technology) to conveyor belts and a small chemical mill.
>It's complicated, and your followers scramble to try and keep up with you on organizing it. Even your incredible intellect finds it a challenge, but your Brain loves it.

>It kinda does since they learn no useful skills. You know, the entire reason that you want to have them do this.
They still learn the useful skill, i just explained why with the sprinklers.
>>1575692
>Then offer a class. Probably works better than hoping they catch on. Or give them a manual.
I was going to offer the classes to, by applying what they learn there in their daily lives they would learn very quickly.
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>>1575773
>We have the energy for this right?
For now yes
>And if we have enough can we use it to produce steel or convert this into a energy into metal thing?
Not likely, are least, not effectively on that scale. Possible but not in the near future by any means.

>Do our bots have enough energy to use these effectively?
Yes, somewhat.

When you fire at it, it drains energy to repell the bullet. So there are limitations. Bigger bullets and blasts draw more energy obv.

>Can our robots successful 'poof' this ammo into existance with there internal weapon factorys?
Yes
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>>1575783
okay, What mark of bolter is this ?

As in Space marine Pre/post HH, or Human bolter? Honestly its a shame we didn't get a flashlight. Those things are superior to ours and easy as fuck to make.
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>>1575759
>Why?
Because there is little incentive. They aren't being payed to and they are getting food anyway. If they want better food then they will buy it off of someone who produces a large surplus of that food stuff because of capitalist interest. Not because of self-sufficiency.

>You mean like our trained militia? Or Guerrilla fighters composed of armed civilians?
Kinda.

>They don't need to see the white of their eyes to want to fight them dude.
To want to shoot the enemy? No. To do so? Yes.

They aren't going to hold as the enemy fires barrage after barrage into their position. They aren't going to stand whenever they've just seen half their squad die. They aren't going to hold position in a fighting retreat without questioning orders. They aren't going to be as useful.

>What is the collapse of civilization.
An event that occurred and will most likely not occur again in our character's life time.

>What is the collapse of the agricultural industry.
A almost impossible event. Seeing as that would require the complete elimination of all farmable crops and shit.

>If the automated farming falls it will be good for our people to know who to farm for themselves.
Which they would. The fundamental concepts of farming aren't exactly hard to grasp you know. Shit I've grown potatoes and shit before no bother and no prior training.

Also you act as if our people are going to suddenly, unless we follow your system, starve in large numbers if our industry fails. When chances are they would either fix the problem, spread out or start farming conventionally with the knowledge that is part of our education system.

>I was looking for a specific infograph about a guy who survives a social collapse for this but i can't find it.
I have almost certainly seen it, wouldn't have involved him filling people's lighters up with new fluid would it?

>Yes they can, they could shrug off Legion fire in the Hover dam battle unless ganged up on.
Except when they used rocket launchers, thermal lances, chainsaws or any other weapon they specifically brought to take down our troops...

>The god damn Legion used then in the battle.
The legion knew that House would get involved, had access to entire states worth of resources, was concentrating everything they had on the Dam and was in the favour of the dice gods with multiple ones granting them everything they might have wanted.

>Ignoring pulse weapons and the securitron wheel weakness this much.
Pulse weapons are rare, hard to maintain and use rare ammo since no one is making new energy cells out in the wastes for the most part.

As to the weakness of their wheel, so what? Human legs get crippled quite easily as well.
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>>1575783
Is the gunshield one way? If i shot past our guy from behind, does the bullet deflect into his face?
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>>1575793
The securitrons are top heavy with a small base. Not good for balance. But we can redesign our front line robot. Maybe something more humanoid- like MECs from xcom 2
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>>1575806
>Securitons are top heavy
>Not once prove to be an issue.
They are fine as is

>MEC's from X-com 2
Ohboy, If i remember correctly that's a fucking head attached to a body ain't it?
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>>1575814
no that's MEC trooper from xcom 1. MEC from XCOM 2 is just a bipedal robot.
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>>1575774
>We were also going to put them on infantry, why can't we put them on Militia too?
Wait. So you plan on giving every adult in our nation a functioning suit of our (powered) battle armour? How in the fuck do you plan on funding that? Not to mention the difficulty in powering all those suits and the massive difficulty in training every person to use them.

>A form of concrete created by the Big MT, and that can survive nuclear blasts
Can I get a source on that?

>it was a challenge for us and the followers.
The followers aren't exactly miracle workers and we are one man. Not to mention all the other reasons like us getting a good roll just about made this possible.

>They still learn the useful skill, i just explained why with the sprinklers.
Wow! They learn that living things need water! How fucking useful that will be!


>>1575806
A terrible idea. They work fine from what we have seen in game and are capable of moving quickly thanks to their wheel.

If you are settled on changing their design, we should move them over to a robo-brain lower body of some sort. As they are tracked, manoeuvrable and stable.
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>>1575740
Could the replicator advance our research into replicators? If yes, then I vote for that
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>>1575816
Ah, X-com2 had me lose interest in it about...4? hours in. So thanks. However those are massive. Secrutrions are good as cops.
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>>1575816
Too many joints, hands are too complex, open joints are at risk of jamming with debris, exposed wiring / servos are too easy to eliminate and use of a head is pointlessly dangerous for your sensor systems.
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>>1575740
>Energy to Bullets
The logistical benefits of this are too great to ignore.

We will have to build power cells and generators for other parts of our society, but this way we never have to worry about adding an ammunition industry.

Additionally, the logistics strain of conquest will be significant lessened.
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>>1575824
True but it strains the energy reserves of our nation even further and makes the potential to take advantage of enemy ammo stocks far less.


Also the gun shields is really useful.
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>>1575822
well it was more for the reference. And its not like securitrons are perfect with the antennae sticking in the air and the cathode tube monitor as a face. They also would get stopped by a waist high wall.

We could cover the wiring and servo bits, change the head abit. The MEC's would be better at uneven terrain due to having feet, and would have better balance, being able to jump a story high and fall down more than that.
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>>1575827
Honestly, if microfusion cells had come out sooner. The old world would've been fine. We can much easier handle power requirements then anything else.
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>>1575793
>Because there is little incentive. They aren't being payed to and they are getting food anyway. If they want better food then they will buy it off of someone who produces a large surplus of that food stuff because of capitalist interest. Not because of self-sufficiency.
They are getting shitty tasting rations and see personal farming as a virtue, that's enough incentive.
>They aren't going to hold as the enemy fires barrage after barrage into their position. They aren't going to stand whenever they've just seen half their squad die. They aren't going to hold position in a fighting retreat without questioning orders. They aren't going to be as useful.
They will if we promote strong nationalism like the NCR.
>An event that occurred and will most likely not occur again in our character's life time.
The courier has had his lifespan extended to 200 years, most great civilizations, as noted by Sir John Glubb, live only about 200-250 years.
>A almost impossible event. Seeing as that would require the complete elimination of all farmable crops and shit.
You don't need to render the land infertile to destroy a agricultural industry.
>Which they would. The fundamental concepts of farming aren't exactly hard to grasp you know. Shit I've grown potatoes and shit before no bother and no prior training.
Then why did you say most people won't be good farmers? If you can grow potatoes our citizens can grow crops for themselves and their family.
>I have almost certainly seen it, wouldn't have involved him filling people's lighters up with new fluid would it?
Yes.
>Except when they used rocket launchers, thermal lances, chainsaws or any other weapon they specifically brought to take down our troops...
Again, they used that against isolated Securitrons.
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>>1575796
Its a standard barrier shield, it blocks both ways
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>>1575839
answer to this? >>1575787
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Rolled 72 (1d100)

>>1575740
Voting Energy to Bullets.

Excellent for defensive positions that can be attached to a power source, or for making forward operating bases very difficult to overcome. Combine this with hexcrete, and even basic robotics knowledge and we can set up ridiculously good defenses as of right now. We can literally seal a gun inside a pillbox and run a power line out to it and never have to worry.
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>>1575833
That's only because you're in BigMT.

If something happens to your dual Geothermal/nuclear reactor that would be VERY bad for you.

Pity you don't have hoover dam. It easily outpaces even BigMT's power source.

Well, when it worked.
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>>1575817
>Wait. So you plan on giving every adult in our nation a functioning suit of our (powered) battle armour? How in the fuck do you plan on funding that? Not to mention the difficulty in powering all those suits and the massive difficulty in training every person to use them.
No, we seemed to have agreed to give infantry full body armor(I believe that includes militia), snazzy uniforms for non combat rolls and combine armor/sleek stealthy armor for tactical teams.
>Can I get a source on that?
Thread 7
>You're in luck too. You find information on the Hexcrete Archipelago and information on the project. Seems BigMT was experimenting with a new type of extremely strong reinforced concrete, in a bid to make structures able to survive the blast. It is chemically similar to concrete, but with several select additions to the cement mixing process, both of which are well documented.
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>>1575831
>well it was more for the reference. And its not like securitrons are perfect with the antennae sticking in the air and the cathode tube monitor as a face. They also would get stopped by a waist high wall.
Most of that is because they were meant to be House's face into the world and a actual face helps. Also they have rockets, they can destroy that wall.

>We could cover the wiring and servo bits, change the head abit. The MEC's would be better at uneven terrain due to having feet, and would have better balance, being able to jump a story high and fall down more than that.
That would work a bit better.

>>1575833
>Honestly, if microfusion cells had come out sooner. The old world would've been fine. We can much easier handle power requirements then anything else.
Honestly we can't. Especially as our civilisation ramps up.

>>1575835
>They are getting shitty tasting rations and see personal farming as a virtue, that's enough incentive.
That might work assuming they wanted something more than food and if they actually saw farming like that. Which they don't as it isn't part of the culture's they came from.

>They will if we promote strong nationalism like the NCR.
The NCR doesn't have it's people fighting on the front-line. It has troops fighting there.

>The courier has had his lifespan extended to 200 years, most great civilizations, as noted by Sir John Glubb, live only about 200-250 years.
As I stated when that example was given by someone else as a reference, that man as much as I may respect his theories, isn't in line with common thought. Not that that means he is wrong. But in this matter I will go with the body of historians and state that his theories regarding a relation between sexual degeneracy and civil decline are inaccurate.

>You don't need to render the land infertile to destroy a agricultural industry.
You kinda do assuming you mean to stop the people from farming.

>Then why did you say most people won't be good farmers? If you can grow potatoes our citizens can grow crops for themselves and their family.
Because I got bored as fuck with it in about five days? Because the harvest I got was enough for a few meals and compared to the effort put in, not worth it? Because there is no part of me that looks back on it thinks that was a good use of time?

>Yes.
Then I would point out that in that example, agriculture was still an industry. As the rest of the world kept on ticking. Not to mention I remember reading something about it all being a bullshit story on that guy's part.

>Again, they used that against isolated Securitrons.
Nope. They used it against the force we had at the Dam which was roughly 100+. I can't remember how many we lost when the Dam got blown.
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>>1575787
Perinetus Pattern Semi-Auto fire only for average humans. Augmented humans and machines can fire full auto.
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>>1575850
>No, we seemed to have agreed to give infantry full body armor(I believe that includes militia), snazzy uniforms for non combat rolls and combine armor/sleek stealthy armor for tactical teams.
Somewhat correct. The armour was to be powered if I remember however. The point still stands that you want us to create, maintain and train our entire nation to use our combat armour?


>Thread 7
I would point out nowhere in that quote does it say they were successful. In fact one could argue the phrase "in a bid" and word "experimenting" would imply they were not successful.
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>>1575860
thanks QM.

>>1575740
Voting >Energy to Bullets
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>>1575740
>energy to bullets

>>1575847
Huh. I guess things have changed then
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Also something I just realised.


We should really see about setting all the lights throughout our city to the "smart light" frequencies. As the in-game benefits are great and thus the benefits for our people would be too.
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>>1575857
>That might work assuming they wanted something more than food and if they actually saw farming like that. Which they don't as it isn't part of the culture's they came from.
They're getting shitty tasting rations, they obviously would want more tasty food, and we're currently establishing a new culture.
>The NCR doesn't have it's people fighting on the front-line. It has troops fighting there.
I believe the NCR, pre Hover battle, trained their soldiers for only a week, that's basically the same training for a militia.
>As I stated when that example was given by someone else as a reference, that man as much as I may respect his theories, isn't in line with common thought. Not that that means he is wrong. But in this matter I will go with the body of historians and state that his theories regarding a relation between sexual degeneracy and civil decline are inaccurate.
I disagree, having a majority agreement doesn't mean it's right.
>Because I got bored as fuck with it in about five days? Because the harvest I got was enough for a few meals and compared to the effort put in, not worth it? Because there is no part of me that looks back on it thinks that was a good use of time?
That's your opinion.
>Nope. They used it against the force we had at the Dam which was roughly 100+. I can't remember how many we lost when the Dam got blown.
Wrong.
>Not quite invincible, but a deadly force, by far more powerful than any BoS Paladin, turning men into piles of guts and gore with grenade blasts and rockets, or into slabs of charred meat with gatling lasers.
>They are some casualties, primarily whenever a securitron is caught alone and ganged up upon by any of their centurions and decani bearing power thermic lances, power sledges, or ballistic fists, and as well as Anti-Matrial rifles, aiming for weak spots like their wheels or their arms. The securitrons are hardy and shrug off hits from single men, but ambushed they can be overwhelmed and destroyed, particularly whenever legion centurions lob pulse grenades or they step on a mine disorienting them. But these casualties are minimal as the the combined and cohesive force works its way down the dam, linking up with cheering NCR forces who rally behind them as they begin sweeping the legion to their cursed tunnels from where they seem to have made their deadly flanking attack.
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>>1575882
And then when you're ready for more pop, set them all to Light Bulb 02
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>>1575867
>Somewhat correct. The armour was to be powered if I remember however.
I don't know if we decided to make the armor powered, i recall mention of exoskeletal armor but there was no mention of it in the QM post.
>The point still stands that you want us to create, maintain and train our entire nation to use our combat armour?
Yes and it's not that difficult as you make it out to be, the NCR has been equipping their troops with armor.
>I would point out nowhere in that quote does it say they were successful. In fact one could argue the phrase "in a bid" and word "experimenting" would imply they were not successful.
True and i did ask QM before if they could truly withstand nuclear blasts but it's still advanced concrete invented by the Big MT.
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>>1575889
>They're getting shitty tasting rations, they obviously would want more tasty food
Want yes, work towards excessively when they could just...not? For the majority no.

>we're currently establishing a new culture.
That we are but if you feel you can shift a culture so dramatically I think I'll watch here from the sidelines. Right after you turn some water into wine, walk on water, find me a wife and fix the EU. In order of difficulty.

>I believe the NCR, pre Hover battle, trained their soldiers for only a week, that's basically the same training for a militia.
Nope. They train for longer than that. 3 weeks if I remember rightly.

>I disagree, having a majority agreement doesn't mean it's right.
I already stated that fact in the statement you seemingly copy and pasted without comprehending the whole meaning of.

>That's your opinion.
No, that is my experience. Something you were using as a logical reason why people would like to farm. Don't abandon it now that it is working against you.

>Wrong.
Correct. However I'd point out my original statement is right: it wasn't against isolated securitrons. Just outnumbered ones. Which is something they are going to be for a long time.
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>>1575857
Faces are inefficient in war. Securitrons should be used as they are named, for security- policing. We would want dedicated Warbots.

The MEC's have a back mounted mortar.

>>1575889
You want us to grow good, food, which they know is good, turn it into crap food and give that to them? We showed them you can make pretty much any vegetable out of sailent. They won't accept it if we purposefully make it into flavourless swill.

The conscripts trained for a week sucked balls. Any militia we train for that long wouldn't be worth giving equipment to.

Majority opinion of historians is different than majority opinion of laymen.

If they are using AM Rifles, then they would be able to take out our robots even if they are in a gang. The range would allow them to do a firing retreat without fear of being shot at.
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>>1575912
>I don't know if we decided to make the armor powered, i recall mention of exoskeletal armor but there was no mention of it in the QM post.
I'd check the archive but I am very tired.

>Yes and it's not that difficult as you make it out to be, the NCR has been equipping their troops with armor.
Yes. Their TROOPS with armour. Not their entire adult population.

>True and i did ask QM before if they could truly withstand nuclear blasts but it's still advanced concrete invented by the Big MT.
I never said it wasn't good concrete. You were however comparing it with a highly advanced, cutting edge even, piece of military hardware as if they were two bird of a feather.
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>>1575921
You are correct but we need to understand the House never planned for them to need to fight a actual war. Just a policing action or two.


I know about the mortar, I played the game. I fucking hate those bloody things.
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>>1575917
>Want yes, work towards excessively when they could just...not? For the majority no.
Incorrect, people like tasting good food, the majority would start farming for better tasting food.
>Nope. They train for longer than that. 3 weeks if I remember rightly.
Right, it's 2-to-3 weeks, still quite a short training regiment.
>I already stated that fact in the statement you seemingly copy and pasted without comprehending the whole meaning of.
I know, I'm just stating my disagreement for the others.
>No, that is my experience. Something you were using as a logical reason why people would like to farm. Don't abandon it now that it is working against you.
And other people will have developed a different opinion after experiencing the same thing.
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>>1575929
or riot. Rioting is an option when the government can grow masses of food, but doesn't.

The Conscripts were shit.
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>>1575921
>You want us to grow good, food, which they know is good, turn it into crap food and give that to them? We showed them you can make pretty much any vegetable out of sailent. They won't accept it if we purposefully make it into flavourless swill.
If we're growing the food and giving it to them then yes, if the try to act like entitled shit then that's too bad.
>The conscripts trained for a week sucked balls. Any militia we train for that long wouldn't be worth giving equipment to.
Then let's train the militias for longer than a week.
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>>1575932
I didn't know our Citizens were from a ghetto.
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>>1575939
Well we wont be able to force them to grow food. There would probably be one guy who starts growing everyone's food.
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>>1575929
>Incorrect, people like tasting good food, the majority would start farming for better tasting food.
We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.

>Right, it's 2-to-3 weeks, still quite a short training regiment.
American basic training can last at most 52 or so weeks. For a post apoc. military it's a reasonable length.

>I know, I'm just stating my disagreement for the others.
Fair enough.

>And other people will have developed a different opinion after experiencing the same thing.
Potentially but I would consider myself a well adapted and normal individual.


>>1575943
They literally are but even if they weren't, it's not unreasonable to riot for that reason.
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>>1575943
Most of them have lived in a Ghetto twice, both Westside and The Boxcars

That said Boxcars is a lot more livable than Westside. . .but also has its disadvantages.
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>>1575969
Well, Westside/Freeside

Anyway Moses you've brought the Mana and the flowing water, but it's not exactly the Egyptian fleshpots that New Vegas was. Luckily you've got a big ass rod in the form of the Securitrons.
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>>1575956
True, that's why we will encourage farming as a virtue.
>>1575957
>We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.
Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
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>>1575975
>Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
Dunno.
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>>1575975
>Can salient green food be turned back into salient green?
Yes, at a material loss. Dont know why you'd do it.

>>1575957
>We already have showed them how to turn it into better tasting food. Outside of meat potentially and other such things, they can make good food no matter what we do.
Weeeeelll the thing about that is it takes a GOOD cook to turn it into even decent food. Otherwise you've got warmed slop for the average person. Still, its sustenance.

Furthermore people have to rely on campfires and old pots. It'd help to have stoves and proper kitchens

That is sort of why they want the Cafeteria.
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>>1575975
you may be surprised at how many people don't really live virtuous lives.

yes. its functionally identical to the real deal
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>>1575982
>you may be surprised at how many people don't really live virtuous lives.
I already know.
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home sweet home, now to finish that update
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>>1575824
>>1575846
>>1575880
>>1575877
Congratulations! You have a new Technology!

+Energy to Bullets.

Make further research actions to apply them specifically such as to a new type of firearm, existing robots, or make a bullet factory.
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Must go to sleep. Repeating my request: send a detachment of Securitrons to secure the mining town. Even if we don't actually make use of it.


Please!


Also, consider getting more food, fuel and Hexcete production underway. Then preferably build some nice apartment blocks.


When I get back I'll do some apartment designs or something. Assuming OP will give bonuses for detailed floor plans...
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>>1576048
Oh yes, I definitely will.

Pity you tend to head off when I tend to go home.
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>>1576025
Dones't this open up the chance to do energy = metals ? via RnD?
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>>1576065
The first thought that popped up in my head when you said that was Dyson swarm.
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>>1576065
Not currently. For now its a dead end.
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>>1576070
How come? We clearly understand that because Energy would have to become said metal right?
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>>1576073
You understand how to copy the design, the exact physical mechanism and translating it to other uses is, well frankly, alien and beyond you or your brain.

Maybe if you had more of that specific brand of alien tech to study.
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>>1576079
Oh my fucking god, we're the Tech priests.
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>>1574255
>>Military - build up defenses like sand bags and stuff at the springs.
Better than just entrenchments like sandbags and trenches, your Brain has the Securitrons do a far more sophisticated tactic.

Playing dead.

A few skeletons here, some dropped weapons there, sand to bury a couple of Securitrons there, and the rest hide in houses. They'll never know what hit them!
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>>1574255
>Hero - Spend time with the kid while reading and maintaining our kit.

Its their birthday.

no, it's HER birthday.

She did it. After so many months. . .she looks like a normal human baby! (mostly)

You're overwhelmed with joy, and Unity is also happy. She laughs as you pick up your child, and have muggy bring in a fresh cake to have blow out the candle.

"Daddy".

She calls you Daddy.

You wonder. . .what should you call her?

>Do you want to give her a name

---

You spend the next few days reading to your child and maintaining your equipment. Normally you let Raul do this because repairing is a pain in the ass, but this is one of those times you don't mind a little handiwork.

She repeats your words as you point to pictures.

"Braaahmin" "Man" "Eagle"

Unity asks how things are going, and you mention the upcoming celebrations. The cement plant is going swimmingly and should be done any day, after that you're going to host a mighty celebration to signal the founding of the Pheonix Comonwealth.

>Unity
"I think that would be a lovely. You should bring our daughter."

That's a good question, you think yourself.

>Should we?

Meanwhile, as you are fixing up your things, you notice some parts are missing. As you look around for them, you turn to see your little one year old girl holding them for you.

Assembled.

Slightly chewed.

You smile and take them back. She put a receiver back together. How did she do that?
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>>1576298
Today is the day!

The last pieces are put into place, and the sun rises on BigMT's first new proper structure since the Great War.

Your very own, small, functional Hexcrete Plant! Its more magnificent and grand than ever, and you've built it in record time.

Already your engineers pour the first batches of material, and soon enough by the end of the day, you are holding the glorious grey dust in your hand. Ready to be forged into buildings of your choosing.

Just add water. Lots of it.

THE SMALL AUTOMATED HEXCRETE FACTORY IS COMPLETE!

As an added 100 bonus its also been hugely automated, meaning it won't require a mass amount of people to operate. All thanks to the Brain. Pour the materials in, Hexcrete comes out!

This is major transition for your people, for now great constructive undertakings can be done. Perhaps this IS a time for celebration and a proper founding!
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>>1576347
now we can actually start building housing, holy shit.
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>>>>>Food: Plentiful (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Small)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
123 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}
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---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
200 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 56
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Rolled 56 (1d100)

>>1576448
>hero
Journey to the west- look at the NCR heartlands- get a feel for the pres and the politics
>civ
research the alien disintegrators
>construction
create a cafeteria/bar/lounge type place.
>military
send a contingent of securitrons to secure that north mining town.
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>>1576298
Name her Sam. That's what i suggested way back when
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>>1576448
>Hero.
I dunno.
>Civ.
Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete factory.
>construction.
begin building Hemp farms and other fuel crops in Newberry.
>Militia.
Claim Trona and begin patrolling it.
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Rolled 66 (1d100)

>>1576448
>Hero - Have Riddick and yourself go get the other UFO if possible or atleast scrab everything you can from it.

>Military - joint miilitary excuses with Chinks

>Construction - Build an ammo plant

>Civ - Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete factory and the slow grind towards a real future.
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>>1576521
Actually, there is that town of Ridgecrest where the plane was spotted, let's go investigate that for our hero action.
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>>1576535
There's another UFO?
And i must recommend we claim Trona and expand our fuel production, it's critical we do.
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>>1576539
The one the merc's used?

Also, We can't go out and claim shit without fixing our military command structure or ready to fight off the Legion/NCR.
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>>1576535
the tech we have allows bullet guns to take enrgy gun power cells. Its an add on to the gun
>>1576539
you should roll
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Rolled 37 (1d100)

>>1576550
>The one the merc's used?
That one got wrecked, probably can't fly, i think we should go see if it's recoverable later. >>1573144
>Also, We can't go out and claim shit without fixing our military command structure or ready to fight off the Legion/NCR.
Our military doesn't need fixing that badly, we have
>51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
>11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
>25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
>22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
>30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
>+20 Super Mutants
>+20 NightKin
>300 Securitrons MK2
And that's enough for now, just send a few robots to Trona this turn and we'll resume military training next turn.
>>1576554
Sorry, i'm forgetful.
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>>1576554
You can probably research a tinny ammo generator though, enough to suit your immediate non-robot military. At least on a defensive.
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>>1576561
>Our military doesn't need fixing that badly, we have
Plus we have our Chinese vassals, who have those stealth spec ops.
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>>1576561
Thats not enough on the off chance we have a full scale battle. We'd lose in any major drawn out war. Ontop of that, we need to get our Slant eyes and actual soldiers working together.
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Morning. Have a few hours right now.
>>1576506
1 for this
>>1576521
1 for this
>>1576535
1 for this

Anyone else gonna vote?
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>>1577328
>Anyone else gonna vote?
Hm.. I'm not sure what to vote for.
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>>1577328
Change >>1576506
hero action to retrieve as much of the crashed ship as possible
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>>1577328
>>1577401
This works. Support.
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>>1577401
Vote
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>>1577425
>>1577419
>>1577401
LOCKED

Writing
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>>1577401
Unfortunately, personal inspection by you and Riddick reveal that the Bounty Hunter's ship was severely burned and molten in the crash, leaving most of the internal components and any further loot wasted. It wasn't so much the C-Finder or even the original explosion. The FTL drive leaked out and caused a huge meltdown.

Still, Ridick says with a "lot" of work, it could fly again. If not to the upper atmosphere, then at least as a long range aircraft.

But its too heavy to move by any current means, even welding and dismantling it one at a time.
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>>1576506
>civ
Research the alien disintegrators

Lucky for you the Chinese Have already made some vested research into this! Or at least Jurry Rigging. You get some of their info on the matte for your own Weapons R&D

When I get home after work, I'll be drawing alien weapon parts and see if you guys want to come up with additional gun designs!
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>>1576506
>send a contingent of securitrons to secure that north mining town.
You send a group of securitrons to Trona, and they arrive there without much incidence.

However there are some problems that show up.

The vast distance to get there, almost the length of NV, is just barely in reach of even BigMT's upgraded Tower.

They still have direct function, but now and then even slightest dust storms cause interruptions in communications. Still, the Securitrons default to standard protection programming when cut off, but this poses surveillance issues.
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>>1576506
You only have a relatively small amount of Hexcrete Bags. You can make a small public kitchen, to cook and dole out warm food to the public in a food line. People would still really like that over what they eat now.

CHOOSE:
>This is fine
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
>Compromise and make a Sheet Steel building instead, with proper concrete foundations. Could always renovate it later.
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>>1577459
>>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
Cafeteria for Americans and Chinese?
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
Go big or go home i guess
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>>1577459
>>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
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Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>1577630
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>>1577436
Told you it was wrecked.
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>>1577459
Quick question, does building a school teach people how to cook Salient green?
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead


I would provide those floor plans I promised but my computer is on the fritz. Complaining about "the handle is invalid".
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>>1577459
>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
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>>1578111
Either a school or a cafeteria

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>We should prepare more Hexcrete Bags, I want a larger structure, do that instead
[LOCKED]

Still writing
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>>1578306
Then i vote we built a school instead to get the bonus of being capable of teaching about other subjects as well as cooking.
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>>1578308
Except with a centralised food production facility we can institute better controls over quality and nutrition. Not to mention being able to increase productivity by having official meal and work times.

Also a large portion of our education seemingly is field work or going to be mental / physical tasks. Really all we need is a assault course / playground for P.E, botanical gardens / array of plants for survival / farming / medical training, a gun locker for teaching them maintenance and a few whiteboards or something for math.
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Not the same as a handmade custom floor plan, but this one looks serviceable for a cafeteria. What do anons think?
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>>1578319
>Except with a centralised food production facility we can institute better controls over quality and nutrition. Not to mention being able to increase productivity by having official meal and work times.
True, but good education does that too, and we don't need the cafeteria to establish official meal and work times, pretty sure all our Citizens are already working for us so just give them a schedule.
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>>1578326
It's good, looks like a school cafeteria.
Actually how about we combine the buildings? Set up the cafeteria first then the school.
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>>1578328
the school being an add-on to the cafeteria building later on, or as a separate building nearby?
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>>1578333
An add-on.
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>>1578326
We don't make enough meat products to need a dedicated area of such size. Same thing for the freezer and refrigerator, we don't need them that size to keep Salient green I'd think, you'd just have a large tank and taps to get some out. It'll do with some modifications to seat more however, make all the tables seat 8 instead of six and it will work for a significant portion of our population.

>>1578327
Education will take years to come into effect and it will be diluted as our population grows.

As to the meal times, possibly but this makes it easier and more logical to enforce.

>>1578328
We should build a school later and entirely separately. Once we have an idea of how we want it set up and shit.
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>>1578334
>>1578337

I'm not the same anon who makes floor plans, but I'll draw some up when I get off work.
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>>1578339
That would be me but I've lost access to my computer and thus can't get access to the sites / examples I had found.
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>>1578337
Well the drawing sits 72, so we might need to extend it two more rows of tables meaning more food prep use. Also booze. The given food prep area should be fine for 100 people.
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>>1578337
>Education will take years to come into effect and it will be diluted as our population grows.
No it won't you're exaggerating, we won't be having large population growth anytime soon and our citizens need education and will grasp it easily, it would be good to set up the school early.
Don't forget we have the Followers, they've been educating people and savages for a long time.
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>>1578344
True but we can have food brought to people depending on what work they are doing, seeing as most of our industrial workers are probably maintenance, loading / unloading or overseers / machine operators. We don't want them away from their posts if we can avoid it for maximum productivity.


>>1578345
I plan on large population expansion. It's the only way we can rapidly close the gap with our enemies and competitors.


Mostly because no one liked my idea of making a infertility virus...or the poisonous plants that consume farmland and grow everywhere.
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>>1578354
>I plan on large population expansion. It's the only way we can rapidly close the gap with our enemies and competitors.
How exactly? Regular breeding will be slow and assimilating other towns won't be constant,plus we don't need to grow our population so radically to match our enemies, we can just make more robots.
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>>1578354
Dinner and breakfast would be after and before work begins, and people would want tables and people to eat with.
I imagine those seats would get filled quickly, especially if we offer some booze
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I'm bored, anyone want to continue the agrarianism discussion/argument?
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>>1578403
Should I include a bar area in my cafeteria plans?
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>>1578413
Just need to finish some homework, then you guys get to play gun designer while I finish the rest of the update.
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>>1578361
I plan on absorbing tribes we encounter as we travel east by marrying their leadership or beating their leadership or whatever is appropriate for their culture. Which will be many outside of the NCR and as the Legion fall apart.

Then we use them to extract the resources from the region in order to support the automation and expansion of our industrial and military forces while providing advanced medicine and food security. Plus taking their children and educating them as part of our people, slowly eliminating their cultural existence and educating the next generation without actively trying as we can return them for ceremonies and such to appease them but over the generations their culture should fade and if not we can simply out-breed them.


As to any towns or villages of a more technologically advanced nature, we will absorb them probably or at the very least receive significant offers and attempts at immigration. My plan for those being the same as the tribes but with us also supplying tools and factories for them to use and work in. Plus some sort of aptitude test to see if they are the next courier or a great scientist or such.

>>1578403
Quite possibly but I would point out we are going to limit the amount of alcohol they receive per day, so any sorts of drinking will most likely be saving up for weekly party night or a quick drink at each dinner.

>>1578417
Nah, just have a section outside as well which can seat people and function as a dancing area the rest of the time. That way we can feed people and then turn it into the party area so the inside can remain where they sit with their drinks and shit.
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>>1578433
I'm ready and anticipating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1127OIw9LRw
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>>1578436
>I plan on absorbing tribes we encounter as we travel east by marrying their leadership or beating their leadership or whatever is appropriate for their culture. Which will be many outside of the NCR and as the Legion fall apart.
As i said, the assimilating of other towns won't be constant, we might be blocked by another faction or a natural limit or something, assimilating the Legion tribes/towns is a more promising yield but i don't expect it to be soon. I still believe building the school early will be beneficial, especially since you want to integrate Tribals by educating their children.
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Are we going to mainly be using Mr.Handys/robots for bar / cafeteria work or people?
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>>1578465
I think having people will give a more comfortable, relatable feeling but having Mr.Handyes to assist is good.
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>>1578461
True it won't be constant but the immigration will be.

Also I agree we should build a school but I want to leave such things for after we have our immediate needs set up; food, fuel, water, energy, steel and such.
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>>1578481
Alright, i can agree to that. Especially since i want to set up more hemp farms for paper and ink first.
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>>1578483
Why bother? We should get everyone a pip-boy / home terminal or something, move towards a primarily electronic society early on and it will be easier.
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>>1578486
Because i like books, and i think it'll be easier and faster to make them than pip-boys for everyone.
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>>1578491
Easy and fast is not the answer if you want something done properly.
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>>1578491
It may be easier but Pipboys have greater utility. Seeing as they would allow for greater data storage, message writing / storage, mathematical calculations, medical examinations and so on.

This isn't to imply we can't have books but I think leaving that to the people could work out well.
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>>1578494
Books do it properly.
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>>1578496
Obviously the only answer is Por que no los dos.
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>>1578497
No they don't, They are constantly printed, then end up being outdated X-amount of months to years later. A Pip-boy can constantly be updated with proper information.
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>>1578500
Not all books become outdated and i think X-amount of years later for the rest is fine.
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>>1578505
What the fuck books besides children tells don't get outdated?
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Would a pip pad / tablet be easier to mass produce for our population?
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>>1578511
Cookbooks. Sexual novels. Fiction. Basic medical and mechanics books?
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>>1578465
>>1578532
For some reason my I'd is changing.
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>>1578511
I dunno, does Politics by Aristotle count?
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>>1578532
Doesn't even need to be a pip-boy, we could have computer terminals in every building and instead of public call phones, public computers for sending messages. People can look shit up on them from a central database.


I just used the pip-boy because they are something I'd like everyone to have.
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>>1578534
>medical and Mechanics books
You what mate? Do you understand how different today's cars are compared to the cars of the past? Same with medical books?

>>1578539
Do we even HAVE those still?
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>>1578547
IRL or In the quest?
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>>1578547
BASIC medical and mechanical books. A fucking heart still has the same valves as it did 1500 years ago and the basic principles of gearing and shit haven't changed since the pulley.
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>>1578548
in the quest.

>>1578549
treating them has changed is what I'm getting at.
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>>1578535
>>1578326

Op in case of shenanigans , these IDs are me. I dont know why they are changing. Probably due to my shitty internet.
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>>1578555
Not really, a pierced diaphragm or lung is still treated the same way as ever and the same goes for repairing a fucked up bike chain.
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>>1578555
Well we have 2 probable sources for Aristotle and other books, the first is Ulysses who gives pre-war books when we talk to him near the entrance of the canyon wreckage, the other is the think tank who have been asked about history by Ulysses before, the Followers could also have it but i don't expect it.
I also recall a mention by our brain that he's been reading old world books, maybe there's a storage of books or a database.
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>>1578571
>I also recall a mention by our brain that he's been reading old world books, maybe there's a storage of books or a database.
BigMT has a selection of various Old World Books, but most are of a scientific nature. The rest are whatever happened to personally interest them at the time.

I believe the Followers and the NCR's Office of Science and Industry made a concerted effort to gather as many books as they could to their universities.

I do have a working map of the Old World Commonwealth, I believe if you were to explore certain cities which are known to remain you might potentially find their library intact.
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Are we going to use Vending Machines, Either Sierra Madre style or others in the cafeteria?
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>>1578585
That was the Brain btw.
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>>1578587
Currently it seems we are going to have reconstituted foods made from Salient green and possibly some meat.


We may later on consider use of such tech.
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>>1578587
You currently have it under lock and key for security reasons.

When needed you have a robot continually place coins in it and retrieve food for several days at a time.
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>>1578587
Speaking of the Sierra madre machines, let's spend a boon to research them.
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>>1578610
ill support this. Seeing as how Elijah has the rest of them.
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>>1578610
yeah, that sounds like a good investment
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Hey QM have you hear of the Fallout: The frontier mod?
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>>1578637
>>1578657
Should we do it this turn or the Celebrations first?
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>>1578671
feel like we should celebrate first.
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>>1578666
Yes
Hehehe. Perhaps anons might consider trying to remember certain quest events
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>>1578686
Oh no.
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>>1578686
Can you give us a hint which quest it is?
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Unisex Restrooms or no for cafeteria?
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>>1578694
Certainly not

Mwahahah. By forcing my anon's to archive binge on archived.moe or suptg, I ensure my secrets remain safely buried in the past.
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>>1578699
Fuck no, no gender bullshit.
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>>1578699
Unisex. Seeing as I plan on the same thing potentially for our apartment blocks.
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>>1578686
The NCR restarted oil industry using trees and the northern generals tech. They also harvested Vault 22 spore spitters and other plants.
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>>1578699
No to both, We have more important shit to build.
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>>1578706
They were still having some limited problems thanks to the dangers but were making good progress.

I plan to resolve this, assuming someone would agree to support a biological weapons program...
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>>1578699
Unisex.
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>>1578711
No biological weapons dammit, just sabotage their industry with bombs.
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>>1578699
>>1578705
>>1578712
What the fuck are you guys doing with unisex bathrooms? We have no need for them.
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Your people would love bathrooms btw. I mean, as opposed to latrines. The idea of big bathrooms with multiple stalls has somewhat fallen away, and only exist in old world structures like the Casino's. Its mostly just singular individual outhouses lined up in a row and people wait outside regardless of sex.

Having men's and ladies bathrooms would be seen as quite a luxury, only you and your companions have bathrooms.

Though water right now is somewhat limited. The brain suggests at least a small sewage treatment machine, the sink at the SINK could help.
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>>1578719
I simply asked the question so I could determine If i should draw them in my floor plan. I have no opinion either way.
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>>1578716
You say that like I am going to do horrible things to them.


It's the plants you should worry about, I was planning to reintroduce genetically modified viruses, fungus and parasites to eliminate the green they are using to make oil. Potentially followed by spreading it to their farmlands if we need to slow them down severely.


>>1578719
People need a place to shit and piss. Plus they are an easy to provide luxuries and allow us to reclaim material from their waste.
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>>1578721
Wait, hang on I just remembered you DID build improved bathrooms for the Boxcars already. Good job on that.

Yeah that did boost morale. It's mostly big giant shower rooms for men on one side and women on the other. People bring their own towels. Securitrons and the Brain always watches out for trouble
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>>1578731
Oh, well in that case we don't really need them yet.
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>>1578729
Problem is how easy it can go wrong.
Spore crawlers from vault 22 were caused by plant based fungi getting spores in the air. You're fighting fire with fire.
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>>1578729
>>1578724
Then just make bathrooms, no need for unisex ones.
>It's the plants you should worry about, I was planning to reintroduce genetically modified viruses, fungus and parasites to eliminate the green they are using to make oil. Potentially followed by spreading it to their farmlands if we need to slow them down severely.
It's my belief that the viruses can get out of control that prevents me from aproving this plan, i don't want something like Australia's frog problem.
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>>1578737
No I am fighting a war with bio-engineered viruses and parasites. With precisely made weaknesses and focused ability to only interact with certain species.


>>1578739
The reason for making them unisex is to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.

Just make the viruses need Chloroplasts to reproduce, then they can't infect non-plant life but it should be scientifically possible. Failing that, we just develop a counter-virus / parasite which eliminates the other but has no other prey, resulting in their death.

Anyhow it is unlikely to come back to our region given it's arid nature and even if it did, we just use a few flamethrowers to clear out the infection and the Biological examination unit to replace the crops.
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>>1578748
>The reason for making them unisex is to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.
That's bullshit, that's prime bullshit right there.
Having unisex bathrooms does not eliminate inequality or increases unity in any shape or form, it's progressive stupidity and unnecessary, it's extremely minor conservation of resources is not worth having.
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>>1578775
But what do segregated bathrooms actually do that differently? What reason is there to have them?
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>>1578748
>to save resources and eliminate any inequality / increase unity.

Have you ever actually experienced a unisex bathroom or build one/clean it? Because it sure as fuck doesn't do any of this shit.
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>>1578748
Y'know gene tailoring plants to do weird things started this mess in the first place right? The spores mutated and started infecting people.
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>>1578794
>But what do segregated bathrooms actually do that differently?
Of relieving waste? Nothing.
Of reinforcing basic common sense about gender? They're integral and having unisex bathrooms just leads to progressive bullshit.
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>>1578802
This.
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QM hasn't even confirmed the NCR's oil industry is the correct quest event, let's just drop this biowarfare argument and let's get back to guessing.
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>>1578805
What common sense about gender? Yknow gender Roles are cultural right?
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>>1578815
>This bait
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>>1578706
Ding

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Here's what I have on the standard alien weapons so far, now to break it into pieces and show you some of the Chinese Current designs.
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>>1578815
>Yknow gender Roles are cultural right?
>Gender roles are cultural.
This better be bait.
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>>1578830
Fine, whatever, just tell me what you meant by "basic common sense about gender"
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>>1578826
Why do we have 2 pistols by chance?
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>>1578834
The first pistol is better, by alot, but uses "Alien power modules" which are much rarer than the Alien energy cells used by the second pistol.
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>>1578840
The Alien Blaster is more powerful, but fires much more slowly. The atomizer fires a lot faster.
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>>1578833
I mean no transgender, multigender bullshit, i might have been too hasty with typing that.
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>>1578844
Transgenderism is an actual thing. Multi-genderism, demi-kin and other tumblr bullshit is not.
Segregated bathrooms means eventually coming out with a stance on that, officially. Unisex bathrooms lets us wash our hands of it.
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Guys guys, you already have split bathrooms. Its sort of the cultural norm in most of the wasteland where multiple stalls are a thing.
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>>1578853
>Transgenderism is an actual thing.
No it's not. Gender is a biological thing not a identity/cultural thing.
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>>1578853
>Guys we gotta help this mental problem, By encourging it and not giving them medical attention.

>>1578857
Fuck this retarded faggot.
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>>1578857
I ain't stopping, this misconception about gender must be stopped.
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bathroom shit is irrelevant. we live in a pretty brutal wasteland so it's a little bizarre that even a person with a chemical imbalance would put their gender issues first
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Its not done, but it can seat 162 at the moment ( I plan on adding more to the outside bar area)

What do anons think? What should I change / add. I haven't touched on the kitchen area yet at all.
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How about some more appropriate discussion. Can you guys fill this out please?

>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America [LOCKED]
>Flag: see >>1573531 (You) [LOCKED]
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>Specific Organization [see mayors, etc.] (Automated Organization) most dominant vote
>Written Constitution/Laws? (not yet decided) do you want to outright call yourself the Leader of all that is?
>Cultural Values / Ideology (not yet decided) what are some brief basic tenants? For example, how do you define freedom in the face of intense singular Autocracy?

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Additional Questions:
Do you wish to name your child?
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>>1578878
Name it Rose or something adorable. I dunno.
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>>1578878
personal freedoms with absolute devotion to liberal ideals kinda like a liberal fascism
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>>1578878
See >>1574651
To add to it i'm pretty sure we're going for a intellectual, artisan based society.
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>>1578878
>Do you wish to name your child?
Delilah?
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>>1578858
Sex is biological. Gender is mental.

>>1578860
It is a mental problem,in that the mind and body do not match. The only real solution there is is either fiddling with the brain, or fiddling with the body. Most doctors would rather not fiddle with the brain unless they have to.
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>>1578887
We have a delilah. One steve limit.

>>1578878
I liked Sam.
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Could always follow in your parents tribe's tradition. They named you Courier. Taught you how to grow be a Courier. Now you are Courier, the courier.
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>>1578877
i really like it. hell, not everyone has to eat at the same time and not everyone has to eat at the cafeteria (presumably) so it should be pretty serviceable
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>>1578901
Our name is actually Courier? I thought we were just dedicated to our legend.
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>>1578877
Hmm, interesting design. Only one sink for so many people though. What's that lower area.

Also you'd need to build a Kitchen and a dishwasher place.

Looks great tho
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>>1578911
In the words of the late Johnson Nash.
>"His expression turned right around, asked me if your name was for real."

And the good Doctor Mitchel.
>"Huh. Can't say it's what I'd have picked for you. But if that's your name, that's your name."
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>>1578893
>Sex and gender aren't the same thing.
Holy shit you're serious.
>It is a mental problem,in that the mind and body do not match. The only real solution there is is either fiddling with the brain, or fiddling with the body. Most doctors would rather not fiddle with the brain unless they have to.
I say it's better to fiddle with the brain, sex change requires surgery and extensive hormone therapy and i'm pretty sure it still doesn't allow post-op to reproduce or fix other gender traits like the pelvic bone.
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>>1578896
sam is fine i suppose
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>>1578923
Take our brain, put it in a female synth body. It is still a male, its our brain. Its sex is female. There is a difference between mind and body. ergo, transgendered

As for surgery, brain surgery is significant riskier. a small slip, and you're paralyzed, versus you have some bleeding/scarring.
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>>1578914
Lower area should be a Janatorial closet and a robot charging station for Mr Handys. With station pads similar to pic.

I still need to work on the actual kitchen area
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>>1578939
You fucking realize that doesn't prove your point right? You just took a brain that properly developed and put it into the improper body. A Transgenders brain is flawed and needs to be corrected. Not mutilate the fucking body you sicko.
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>>1578939
>Take our brain, put it in a female synth body.
It wouldn't be able to handle that. It's too busy being 'you' and Brain the same time.
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>>1578939
>>1578951
Also the Brain technically is neither male nor female. Anymore than your heart or lungs are male or female. It simply 'Is".

You're the part with the actual genitals.

Note that even if the Courier were female, the Brain would still speak in a male voice. That is because Mobius only had male voice modules at the time.
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>>1578951
How do you fix such a thing though? There isn't an anti-trans pill, like with depression. surgery is to only possibility.

And the example works because transgenderism is a quirk of biology that causes a brain to develop with the opposite gender's chemistry. Its functionally the same as the brain of the opposite gender.
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>>1578939
>Take our brain, put it in a female synth body. It is still a male, its our brain. Its sex is female.
Wouldn't the female chemical signals fuck up the male brain that way? I know Unity hasn't had that problem but it's still a possible problem.
>As for surgery, brain surgery is significant riskier. a small slip, and you're paralyzed, versus you have some bleeding/scarring.
But the body surgery doesn't fulfill the goal of gender change, it's just a cosmetic thing, and if we can't do a brain surgery or a body surgery then we shouldn't do a surgery at all and let transgender just deal with their gender identity crisis.
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>>1578945
Shouldn't the MR Handys charging station be somewhere near the kitchen?
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>>1578968
>Depression pills fix depression.
Are you a fucking idiot? No they don't, they make everything worse 99% of the god damn time.

You would need to study the human brain of those that transgender have. And then see the differences between a normal human one and one like them. However in our current 'progressive' society. We no longer list it as a mental disorder and thus research like that is banned or frowned upon without getting proper funding. Ontop of that, we have more pressing issues and making this OUT to be an issue will just cause problems. This is fallout. Somebody invented a cure for every known VIRUS, TO say something like a mental disorder is incurable shows your lack of knowledge on the series.
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>>1578973
Thought it was a nice out of the way spot. Could have half the Mr handys running at a time and switch them out when its time for them to recharge.

Ill look into fitting them into the kitchens.
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>>1578985
Pills help deal with depression. Or else why would there be antidepressants- They treat it. They may make things worse for you, but I doubt if 99% of depression sufferers taking the pill get worse they would be on the market.

As for researching human brains, they have
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
trans people have brains closer to their chosen gender than their birth sex.
We are our mind, not our body. If the two disagree, then its the body that is wrong, not the mind.
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>>1578960
>Also the Brain technically is neither male nor female. Anymore than your heart or lungs are male or female. It simply 'Is".
Are you using Fallout science or IRL science? Cause people who receive an organ transplant from a different gender have a higher rate of rejection and complication.
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>>1579000
We are both our body and our mind, both share specific signals and chemicals between each other, that's why post-op people have hormone treatment, our chemicals need to be balanced.
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>>1579000
>Pills help
>Our Body is wrong

I'm done with this talk, God Speed mate. You sicko. May you never need help.
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>>1579015
Stay and fight soldier! these sickos must be beaten over the head with the knowledge of why they're wrong.
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>>1579018
Live and let live, I'll simply vote against the stupidity.
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>>1579013
Chemicals need to be balanced yes, but its like being drunk- You're influenced by the alcohol, but you can't say you are both you and the alcohol.

Hormones influence behavior just the same. Its why our brain disparages our glands- Its technically changing our behavior.
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>>1579015
I'm sick because i think pills work? Why would they exist if they didn't? Is the FDA completely corrupt/ incompetent? and that I rather not play with my brain than my body?
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>>1579020
>Hormones influence behavior just the same. Its why our brain disparages our glands- Its technically changing our behavior.
>Using Fallout to argue why you're right.
Mate that's fiction, IRL brains need specific chemical signals from our to function properly, there are studies of too low of an amount of hormones affecting behavior, probably the same with too high an amount too.
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>>1579001
Well I didn't say that the Brain doesn't have the physiological markers unique to your body. In fact its tissue is probably highly incompatible with others due to your numerous, numerous mutations

I simply said you can't actually ascribe it a gender.
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>>1579031
Regardless, An individual is not the body they occupy. It influences, but it is they are not one and the same.
Transfer the mind to a new body and your still you.
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>>1579043
>I simply said you can't actually ascribe it a gender.
From a look you can't, but if someone knows the differences between a male and female brain they can ascribe it a gender. Probably can't do it to our brain with all those mutations.
>Why can't i hold all these mutations.
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>>1579057
I'd argue that the bodily influences are required for the brain to function properly and healthy but this is starting to sound like a ship of Theseus debate.
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>>1579064
>From a look you can't, but if someone knows the differences between a male and female brain they can ascribe it a gender.
They can say the gender of the /person/ it belonged to.

But giving it an actual gender is weird.

It's like saying the pancrease is a male. It doesn't really make sense. Instead, the appendix came from a male.

heh, well desu this is just semantics I suppose. Of course it can be detected your brain came from a male person.
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>>1579072
Well yeah, we're arguing about what makes a person a person. Its all philosophical cause we can't really know.
I just want to know why that other anon thought I was a retard for thinking medicating helped depression.
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>>1579072
>I'd argue that the bodily influences are required for the brain to function properly

>Brain
"Oh on the contrary, that's hardly true at all. I quite enjoy the lack of attention I have to devote to all your bodily functions. You have no idea the freedom that brings.

I usually leave the bodily details to those tesla coils of yours. Its akin to my own persona Mr. Handy to do alll the work for me. Automation is a wonderful thing."
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>>1579090
>Auto-Doc
"Eh. Meds are only a temporary solution to an underlying neruo problem. I have plenty of more permanent solutions.

Think of it like a computer terminal with a busted battery. Meds are deciding to attach a hand crank generator to keep it running, when you could just fix the derned."

Sorry for the update delay guys, MS painting things is a long and slow process.
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>>1578878
>>Name: Pheonix Commonwealth of America [LOCKED]
>Pheonix
Pheonix or Phoenix?
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>>1579299
should be phoenix
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>>1579299
phoenix
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>>1579299
Whichever is the correct spelling for the firebird.

--

Here is the Chinese Version of the Alien Disintegrator Weapon.

Its slightly bulkier, longer, and far less streamlined. This is due to several reasons. The original alien disintegrator is made out of metallic alloys that unknown and seemingly are unreplicable by current metallurgic standards. So it has to be made out of conventional methods.

Secondly, there is no way to reproduce alien energy cells. EC energy packs come close, but they themselves have to be clustered and hooked to the gun. Currently the Chinese either use a large pack of EC energy packs worn around the hip, or a much bigger backpack ammo container which can either be a large bunch of EC packs, or a generator. Alternatively, the gun may be hooked directly into a wall.
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>>1579408
This is what they have so far. They're trying to look into the other two weapons, but the alien blaster is proving even more difficult to get to pistol sized.

The good news is their current design can be adapted and flexible. They are experimenting with all of the three known alien projectile types (Disintegration, Blaster, and Atomizer) as well as a few newer type like a continuous beam or even a hoseable material like plasma.

>Brain
"Not bad, actually. Quite ingenious. They've successfully understood the principles of how it works, or at least, approximated it as close as they could. All thats left is possibly trying to shrink it with better materials, but until we get the capability, this is what you can currently mass produce from your War Factory."
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>>1579408
More research actions and I'll open up further potential options for you to design.
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Cafeteria floor plan v1. Moved robot recharge to kitchen. Added in kitchen. Put in saylient tanks. Added more sinks, and finished the bar section.

Now seats 230 people at a time. This is still just Version 1. If you guys feel I should change things let me know and ill draw up another plan.
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>>1579446
honestly, this should be good enough. these accommodations are way better than anything our citizens got in the wasteland
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>>1579446
That's some impressive work you're putting in. Thanks, anon.

>>1578901
>>1578922
That's so hilariously campy. Just like the Courier.
Is the Courier's Tribe still around? Could we meet them?
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>>1579446
maybe move the bathrooms apart by like 4, and add more sinks. Probably want half the number of sinks to toilets.
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>>1579481
Your father, Hunter, and mother, Breeder, never really talked much about the tribe they lived in before they moved into the NCR. After your first courier run, you returned to see them. They and the house were gone. That was the last you ever really saw of them.
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>>1579501
Like, gone gone? Someone took all the bricks and left, or it was burned down?
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>>1579434
"Alternatively there's the possibility of making it more powerful as a standard design if you acquire some Old World energy weapons production machines like the Van Graffs have.

Or the succesfully reverse engineering the Vending Machines."
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>>1579509
Sorry, to clarify, you found the house utterly abandoned of all furniture and valuables.
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>>1579501
Where did the six come from?
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>>1579517
are there any places nearby where we can secure some energy weapon production machines, then?
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>>1579553
game plot. you were the sixth courier on a list of couriers sent to deliver packages to mr. house (iirc)
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>>1579561
>Or the succesfully reverse engineering the Vending Machines.
This is much easier to do, i was planning to do it next turn anyway.
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>>1579581
OP said we needed more vending machines for that, which would require that we return to the sierra madre
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>>1579586
>which would require that we return to the sierra madre
This makes me wonder, has Elijah been able to manufacture more vending machines?
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>>1579586
no we wanted to spend a boon on it. Cause we have one and its a very profitable investment.
>>1579568
I know that. But i was wondering if there was a different in universe reason.
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>>1579561
>Brain
"Most likely the Van Graff headquarters in Van Graffs, or perhaps other NCR facilities. But then, those would be guarded and difficult to transport. Perhaps a vault somewhere out there might hold what we need."
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>>1579599
oh. if we're booning it then sure
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>>1579609
.... What did we do with the brotherhood bunker op? Are they still alive or did we detonate it?
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>>1579647
You left them alone actually.
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>>1579647
>>1579655
You did hear some Legion in hushed tones talking about Legatus Lanius slaughtering some more of the Legion for failing at the "Brotherhood's Bunker" and "letting the prey get away". That he is currently out of Caesar's grace.
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>>1578306
To prepare more bags of concrete, your convoy has to make another trip to the mines.

Which means they need fuel.

Which means you need to cut into your food again to make the fuel.

Which you do, and gain a (moderate) amount of Hexcrete.
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On one hand, I don't think we will be able to convince the brotherhood to join our faction because were almost the exact thing they are trying to "protect the world from", but on the other hand, I really want all of their juicy energy weapons.

What does veronica think?
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>>1579693
If we were to stop making fuel, will our stockpile of food start increasing over time? or are we only meeting food needs?
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>>1579708
Every time you make fuel, there is a temporary drop in the food supply by a level.

By default, you play it safe and keep the food reserves at average. When the food drops below average, you enforce rationing to return the stockpile, citing the importance of being prepared for a sudden famine or somesuch.

Currently, with all your current passive means production, food naturally peaks at Average.
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>>1579744
So even if we stay the course we end up with average food. Ok.
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!NEW!
>>>>>Food: Above Average (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Plentiful) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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---TRONA---
++BigMT Outpost++
---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}
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---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: Average
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 57
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>>1579784
Hey QM, just wondering, are there any new borns among our people? Is anyone pregnant?

If we want to use a boon to research vending machines, must we take a civ action?
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>>1579800
>Hey QM, just wondering, are there any new borns among our people? Is anyone pregnant?
A few but not many. It doesn't help that most people still live in unprivate conditions, and they tend to be very aware of that sort of thing. Still its only been more than a year since the Mojave exodus.

Just about the only place constant action is going on is the Lobotomite brothel and Dr. Dala's house. Its a bit less crazy without ARES though.

It's not exactly romantic to sleep with at least one other family in a boxcar.
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>>1579844
>>1578436
On that note, is the only way to significantly increase our human population at the moment is to assimilate other adult populations? Could we genetically engineer children to have a sped up childhood, but reduced aging thereafter?
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>>1579858
Certainly! But ah, it would take a lot of trial and error. Which means you're going to need a lot of babies and/or parents subjects.
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>>1579869
>Which means you're going to need a lot of babies and/or parents subjects.
Is this lethal, or we just need a large sampling pool?
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Rolled 59 (1d100)

>>1579784
>Hero.
Investigate Ridgecrest, bring the stealth team.
>Civ.
Celebrate the completion of the Hexcrete mill.
>Constrution.
Build Hemp farms and other fuel crops at Newberyy springs.
>Military.
Train.
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>>1579873
You'll try not to make it lethal. But yeah, you're going to need a larger sample base.
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>>1579858
That is a stupid idea.
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Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>1579784
>Hero - Spend time with Kiddo

>Civ - RnD the Vending machine

>Construction - Small ammo plant, We can sell said bullets.

>mil - join training ops with Chinks
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>>1579878
supporting
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>>1579879
How quickly does Unity's children grow, how quickly does our child grow in comparison?
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>>1579885
We are spending too much time with the kid, not that that's a bad thing but we have shit to do.
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>>1579878
What's Ridgecrest? Don't remember
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>>1579895
>Further away is a large ruined town called RidgeCrest, and a nearby Airbase. Just before your Securitrons were at risk of losing direct communications, they spotted what appears to be aircraft flying above it. They weren't able to get in closer for a look, it's too far for their range.
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>>1579902
When was this?
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>>1579906
>>1564319
Found it. Missed it from all the long conversations.
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>>1579906
Last thread.
>> 1564319
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>>1579906
The scouting mission, to check all our surrounding territory.
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>>1579892
>Auto Doc
"Whatever you're doing it seems to be working.

I ain't ever seen a 1 year old that smart. . .or tall. She's breaking the growth charts. But I guess they're a chip off the old block?"

>Unity
"My beautiful daughter. She's growing so fast. Even for us. At this rate, she might be a teenager in a few years. I just hope her maturity follows with her intelligence.

Strange but her thoughts are so different. Its slightly harder to read them, but she is my daughter and she is still a part of me and Unity."
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Rolled 41 (1d100)

>>1579784
support >>1579878
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>>1579916
>>1579917
Thanks anyways.

>>1579918
>At this rate, she might be a teenager in a few years. I just hope her maturity follows with her intelligence.
So we could technically use her as a base for the genetically increased childhood?
>>1579858

>>1579883
Care to elaborate?
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>>1579918
Op what does Veronica think of brotherhood rumors? Any way we could get those sweet energy weapons peacefully?
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>>1579894
>Unity
"Actually, I think its helped tremendously you've been here to be her father, even if you can't be here all the time. Just being around her more helps.

You should introduce her to the other children when she grows old enough."

>>1579929
>Unity
"Perhaps. Remember, we have my strain of FEV."

>>1579935
>Veronica
"Knowing Macnamara, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured out how to have a double lockdown. If Caesar wanted them dead, they were probably surrounded. With no internal means to make food, they . . .must have been starved out. If they weren't blown out by the Legion."
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>>1579935
Tell them about Elijah and how we must work together to stop him?
We also have sweet Alllieeenn Teeeeeccchh!
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>>1579878
LOCKED.

Writing
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>>1579929
QM has already said why >>1579869 >>1579879
Too many risks.
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>>1579947
>"Knowing Macnamara, I wouldn't be surprised if he figured out how to have a double lockdown.
What's a double lockdown?

>>1579956
Doesn't mean we have to do it now, that was on the table for in the future.
Also it's not like we can't experiment on prisoners or other folk we don't mind potentially dying.
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>>1579956
>Brain
"Why not just get more people you're willing to risk? Perhaps people you don't like."
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>>1579947
we should check it out at some point.
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>>1579960
It was a joke. Literally the only thing Macnamara would have done even as they were battering down the door, would be to just lock everything down. Effectively, the same thing he had been doing already
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>>1579960
>>1579961
I maybe won't raise a fuss about it then.
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>>1579966
I had my hopes up that Macnamara managed to transcend turtling.
How long has it been since the siege started, how long were their stores supposed to last for?
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>>1579961
Cause that makes us no better than crazy crazy think tank?
We're doing fine. Kids need their development time.
We don't need to build our society on the back of human rights violations.
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>>1579970
Gotta think of expendable people we don't like, man.
If the risks were too high, of course I wouldn't risk our own people.
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>>1579974
>Cause that makes us no better than crazy crazy think tank?
The Think Tank did nothing wrong.
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>>1579977
The think tank did many things wrong, FOR SCIENCE!
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>>1579878
Newberry Springs has the potential to be turned into a proper inhabited outpost! The question remains is, who should we allow to inhabit it? It's actually very ideal.

>A group of influential members of the Community approach you. They offer several thousand bottlecaps and an assortment of jewelry and gold in exchange for preference toward some of the private houses of the community. They pledge to personally restore much of the town to working function, the electricity. They'll get the farming done too

They would also like to bring a few lobotomites with them. And claim they will be able to establish runner communications between the Boxcars and Newberry Sprngs

You begin to realize some of the Boxcar houses in The Boxcars are quite. . .very well off. With only a handful of people in them, manned by private guards, and lots of good things around them.

>The Chinese are always looking for a new place to call their own and raise the Red Flag

>Just send in robots, we're going to drain the place and pipeline the water to the BoxCars

>Other?
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>>1581576
>Other?
There'll be a lottery that people may choose to enter. Their first ticket being free. Every ticket after that is (exponentially?) more expensive.


This means that, although these rich fellows may get a better chance as they deserve for their economic skills that gave them this wealth, even the worst off still has a chance of getting to move.

As to getting to have the private houses, they may until we decide to modernise / properly take over the area and construct new structures for housing people.


Speaking of which, I have a bunch of questions about our people and what they would accept for their housing arrangements, if you would be willing to tell me?
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>>1581597
>Arcade
"Won't they just buy the winning tickets off the people who get them?"

>Speaking of which, I have a bunch of questions about our people and what they would accept for their housing arrangements, if you would be willing to tell me?
Everyone likes things and luxury.

But they also know base needs have to be met first. Mostly security and locked doors, room for a family or singleperson to live in, insulation from the cold at night plus chimneys for stoves to cook and heat. Beds and blankets. Some form of toiletry either latrine or actual toilets.

Showers, air conditioning, new windows, carpeting, indoor washing machines, electricity, refrigeration, are all seen as desired luxuries particularly if you can privately own them. Currenty only you, your companions, and the rich are enjoying this.
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>>1581611
>"Won't they just buy the winning tickets off the people who get them?"
If the people who get the winning tickets don't want them, then we shouldn't intervene arguably. As they have made their decision.


However if that is such a problem, we have robots and can store people's faces in their memory I imagine? Alongside what ticket or tickets they are assigned to? Why not make them non-transferable virtual items, rather than a pieces of paper?
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>>1581617
"They'll probably figure out some loophole anyway, like paying the winners to live in their homes. Still, at least it ensures some level of fairness."

Anyway, 1 vote for lottery. Anyone else?
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>>1579878
>>Military.
>Train.
Training goes poorly. MIlitary morale is somewhat diminished, mostly because the barracks and shooting grounds are still ruined and nobody has gone around to repair them.
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>>1581576
>A group of influential members of the Community approach you. They offer several thousand bottlecaps and an assortment of jewelry and gold in exchange for preference toward some of the private houses of the community. They pledge to personally restore much of the town to working function, the electricity. They'll get the farming done too
This America dammit we must cater to our entrepreneurial friends as
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>>1581666
No. My plan appeals to the rich while giving the poor a chance.
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>>1581611
I can offer them more or less all that except the washing machines and carpets. Assuming they can deal with the fact I am basing our primary housing off of micro-apartments, because we lack the resources to make enough actual houses.


I do have some larger plans for actual families however but those aren't going to be built until we have an actual fuel supply up and running so I don't have to worry about material supply.
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>>1581687
How about we meet halfway we give some houses by lottery and then sell the biggest few to the highest bidder
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>>1581836
Yeah that could work. Certain houses aren't suitable for use as anything but family homes and such.


There's an idea, we give a second free ticket to anyone who has a wife / girlfriend. So they'll be able to go and have children in privacy.
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>>1581576
Lottery, but dont allow the wealthy to buy more tickets. You just have to go to a securitron and ask to be entered.
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>>1581899
That defeats the purpose of the lottery. Your's makes everyone equal.


These rich folk all started out equal with everyone else and got where they are by personal action. Their wealth should be able to get them some sort of benefit. Especially since we are gonna get a benefit from their spending.
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>>1581909
Well we dont know how they make their wealth, so we cant just assume they started at thr same place as everyone.

As for not rewarding them, they are obviously living good lives comparitively, so we should focus on helping raise the standard of living for our majority rather than allow a minority to gain even more.
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Okay, so for the celebrations. That is definitively going to go down now.

>Can we slaughter 20 Brahmin
>Spend all the booze
>Fireworks? Free ammo for fun shoots at targets?
>Spend 2000 Chips on fun stuff
>Declare the founding of the Pheonix Collective and make this the founding day
>Bring out our child (Sam was the most voted on name so far)
>Bring out the Chinese to join in?
>Dean Domino and his band?

If you can think of any other BIG CELEBRATION PARTY FUN THINGS go ahead and suggest them.


Confirm including name (or say no to name)

Y/N

Also if you want the big ehm, sensual companion party afterward just add it to your vote. If not don't add it. I don't know if people still want that, I'm not pressing for it but I'll allow it.
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>>1581962
>Well we dont know how they make their wealth, so we cant just assume they started at thr same place as everyone.
We are quite aware of how they made their wealth. OP mentioned earlier in quest that certain people had started keeping stocks of certain resources, taken from their own rations and were trading them for other resources, presumably at a profit. These are those people, along with those whom started businesses or gave services to others, again at profit.


>As for not rewarding them, they are obviously living good lives comparitively,
Because of their wealth which in regards to things like this should give them an advantage as well as they clearly earned their wealth and didn't inherit it.

>so we should focus on helping raise the standard of living for our majority rather than allow a minority to gain even more.
Except this won't raise the standard of living, it just spreads our population out and means that they are going to have to work to improve their town. Which they are seemingly willing to do. It will let us focus our actual resources here in the boxcars while lowering the crowding, possibly enough to allow for a few specific boxcars as family homes rather than bunkhouses.
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>>1581968
>Can we slaughter 20 Brahmin

Too many, that is 2/3 of our total livestock. Lower it to 15 at most and take primarily males and infertile / unproductive females.

>If you can think of any other BIG CELEBRATION PARTY FUN THINGS go ahead and suggest them.
See about having a parade of our military assets and shit. That worked for the Russians, French, Germans, British, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese and many other nations to inspire national pride.

>Confirm including name (or say no to name)
Confirmation.

>That spoiler.
Assuming they are willing and Unity doesn't mind too much, fuck them it.
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>>1581982
Fine. As long as the extra tickets increase in cost fast.
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>>1581982
Well, a number of them were slightly wealthy and influential in Westside before they arrived. King's in particular. They had people already working under them. With Vegas gone, they moved their operations here. A few chairmen, some White Glove Society. After that they and a lot of others became hoarders and scavengers or employed them.

It isn't exactly illegal and they haven't and aren't doing any violent crimes or blackmailing, the Securitrons are watching over that. Or at least, whatever they can see and hear. But it definitively feels extortionist.

Though admittedly most of the the real big time crime players from the Casino's fled to the NCR instead. What you have are mostly freesiders.
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>>1582002
>Though admittedly most of the the real big time crime players from the Casino's fled to the NCR instead.
Correction, most of the survivors of the Casinos fled to the NCR when they could.

The actual fate of most of the Casino people outside of the Omertas was drowning in their own fluids due to Chlorine Gas and/or being gunned down by Omertas.
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>>1582000
aren't we doing the compromise >>1581836
also checked
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>>1582001
I was thinking of making it exponential: 1, 4, 16, 64, 252, 1008, 4032, etc. That way if they are really bothered to get a large number they can bankrupt themselves doing so but even the poor can afford to double or even triple their own chances.


>>1582002
Ah, my point still stands however, they didn't exactly start out with more shit when they got to Big MT but they had connections. Something we can't really control.
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>>1581968
Support>>1582000
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>>1582017
True but the point still stands. Also I have another modification to the idea >>1581850.
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>>1582019
Well we can discourage extortionate practices. Enact aome better buisness policies.
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>>1582026
Yeah I have no problem with protecting the rights of the customer. We could make it easier by having a robot present in every business. If they ask it's to prevent stealing or robbery but that is a secondary purpose.
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>>1582025
I dont like the idea of offering houses for sale. If the people fell like they're being extorted, then we shouldnt be obviously rewarding their extortioners.
But encouraging families is a good idea.
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>>1582025
I'll be honest this lottery system seems rather complicated what about a priority list with couples and families going to the top and every one else below with a small amount of spaces for the wealthy elites to buy so long as they also contribute to the town in the long run
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>>1582000
Unity is willing

For your plan of "all of them" rather than a select number of them is difficult but not impossible. It would mostly involve waiting until everyone is piss drunk, including yourself, flip on the slight switch 02 and then use superhuman charisma to bring them all to Dr. Dala's house.
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>>1582043
Well all of them who want to without being piss drunk. Its generally considered a bit rude to try and seduce them in that state.
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>>1582051
Would a little drunk work then, or are you going to try and do it entirely sober

Alcohol is your friend
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>>1581968
Oh and let the chinese join in and have dean and his band play
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>>1582061
Little is fine. We dont need to get everyone everyone involved.
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>>1582035
I respect your point but the simple fact is we need the money for trading with outside nations and these people are seemingly willing to work to repair the town they'll be living in.

Thanks for liking that idea of mine, it seems like it is for the best long term.

>>1582039
Nah, that'd be pointless. It loses out on the primary benefit of this system which is that everyone can join if they want and that the rich can get what they want. The reason for giving the breeding pairs access to these homes is that they need privacy to breed.

>>1582043
>>1582051
This, don't molest our companions...
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>>1582071
but it's so horribly in-efficient to give houses to anybody plus maybe this'd set a precedent and encourage more people to achieve wealth and/or pair off with one another
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>>1582083
>Brain
"Hmmm, I believe we could potentially build enough individual houses for everyone in two or three years. One if we're lucky and make it our focus. especially if we pair as many people into families as possible or have a minimum of two or three to a house.

The problem is resources. That's going to take a lot of water and fuel if we make them concrete houses. But its doable, and they'd make an excellent defense."
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>>1582071
Well regardless, we should keep a close eye on our wealthy. Dont need them garnering too much influence.
>>1582083
Its not that efficient, and its only people who want to go. We have computers so its not like were drawing slips from a giant hat.
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>>1582108
alright I guess but if we wind up with a bunch off alcoholics who do fuck all for the town don't say I didn't warn you guys
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>>1582083
>but it's so horribly in-efficient to give houses to anybody
Seeing as we aren't going to be replacing the houses for a long time, it really isn't. Plus it makes people happy.

Seriously, to even build enough of my micro-apartment blocks would take a long time and they don't work for families.

>plus maybe this'd set a precedent and encourage more people to achieve wealth and/or pair off with one another
And that is a bad thing because? Nations give tax breaks and shit to families all the time.

>>1582108
Of course, we should watch the fuck out of them.
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>>1582120
No I meant by prioritizing the families and wealthy on a list that would set a precedent to encourage families and wealth
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>>1582117
How would that happen? There are things people have to do, and. Its very common for governments to encourage families.
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>>1582127
>No I meant by prioritizing the families and wealthy on a list that would set a precedent to encourage families and wealth
Aye and what is wrong with that?


To be a family is to inherently care about the future. As to favouring the rich, it's more so because we need the wealth and we don't have any reason to stop us from taking it.
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>>1582134
I never said it was a bad thing
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lavish houses go to highest bidders. a lot of our people are super poor so they'd appreciate getting any kind of a livable house at all
next up are the couples, who get the second best and biggest houses
after that, people are assigned houses based on productivity and personal merits

once they're at the town, everyone above the age of 16 must work in some way or another. however, the town's policy will be slightly laissez-faire and (slightly taxed) privately owned businesses will be encouraged. won't it seem like an idyllic goal? ideally, the town would be full of hard workers and our boxcars would have plenty of poor people trying to prove their worth as valuable citizens
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>>1582163
backing this
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>>1582163
No. We go with the lottery under the following conditions:

All people may request a ticket, with couples being given a second ticket and with the rich being allowed to purchase additional tickets at a rate of N times N times N times N. Where N is the number of tickets they are purchasing.

This allows everyone that wants to go to have a chance and gives additional chances to those of greater productivity or whom would rear children.


Also your system is flawed. How do you classify what houses are lavish? Size? State of disrepair? How do you classify personal merits and productivity? A vote from the people would see them bribed by the rich and anything else isn't a objective standard since it will be tinted by the Bias of anons or by the perspective of our companions or whatever group you use to determine the standards.


As to your town policies, fuck no. They will be subjected to the same conditions as our current towns and treated as the exact same.
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>>1582197
We'll vote on it personally I dislike the lottery idea
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>>1582197
just drawing up an idea here. we can classify lavish houses by any kind of criteria but we'll have to agree on a concept before we actually put it into execution

and how can we subject them to the same policy if we're not actively controlling them? it's not like the outpost is directly adjacent to us. my plan just gives them time to grow into their own. our people are unhappy and they want to be rewarded in some way; this gives them their reward but doesn't allow them to grow lazy and complacent
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>>1582228
How does the lottery have people growing lazy and complacent though? They obviously want to go if they sign up for the lottery, and there will be work we'd be directing them to do.
End result would be similiar both ways, but the lottery is more fair.
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>>1582212
To be frank I understand why but we need the caps and the jewellery. So we can go buy slaves and so we can trade with the NCR and shit.

>>1582228
>just drawing up an idea here. we can classify lavish houses by any kind of criteria but we'll have to agree on a concept before we actually put it into execution
Exactly my point, you have not yet prepared a god damn description or identifier of a lavish house whereas my system functions fine.

As to subjecting them to policy, because they are still part of our nation? Because we will still have our robots in their town? Any other reason literally? Also the reward of moving to the other town is getting a house.

Also yours doesn't prevent complacency or laziness.

>>1582236
Thanks.
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>>1582251
you could add to his that if you go un-employed willingly you are at risk of losing your home
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>>1582291
No. That is a huge dick move and I won't allow it for now.


I am willing to enforce such a thing should it come to it but they'll be busy for quite some time fixing up this town so the chances of such a thing coming to pass are unlikely.
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>>1582304
>I won't allow it
Good thing you're not running the quest faggot
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>>1582291
Why? There will be work to be done, much like there is work to be done at boxcars. No one will be doing nothing for some time.
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>>1582163
>>1582175
This one is the one that has 2 vote right now.
>>1581597
>>1581899
Other 2 are for a lottery system.

I'll give some more time for votes, writing up the celebration.
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>>1582314
Seeing as you were asking me to alter my plan / vote. I am able to make that statement.
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Small house?
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>>1582333
oh fuck total miscommunication on my part I am very sorry I meant to reference >>1582228
in this>>1582291
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>>1582348
Oh that is lovely. People pay good money for something like that.

Most of the furniture will likely be made of steel though.

Luckily you have cotton and hemp, but what you lack are large scale sewing machines.
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>>1582000
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You have Kreger and your officers organize the men promptly. Without a barracks many of them have somewhat laxed into civlian role, but there's an effort whip them back into uniform and in marching condition.

"Look you lot, just remember to step on the LEFT foot with every drum beat got it? the LEFT"

You make announcement of the founding day a week in advance and the preparations are made. Dean is also ready with Unity's band. Food and tables are being prepared in advance, as are some new flags which have to be sown by hand. Small bits of fuel is prepared for the trucks to take part.
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>>1582348
The simple matter is that we must try and make as much of the materials we have available to us and that is done by reducing redundant features: sharing walls and washing machines for example reduces electrical, metal and concrete consumption by construction and maintenance. Consider that I have the design of a flat that could house two people in the 300 feet squared. Where as yours is far less space, and thus material, efficient not to mention labour.

I am the first to admit the conditions could be better but our people won't be spending much time awake in these places for quite some time seeing as we don't have any TV, radio or even books for them to enjoy. They serve their purpose of being quick to build, cheap to build and alright to live in.
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>>1582466
I'll be on the look out to see what other plans I could find. Think that's the smallest I'll be able to find without it becoming too small.

Some of the amenities in the picture is just so that they have the space when we have them available to the people.

Anything I should look out for?
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>>1582521
Look up the phrase "Micro-apartments". A fair few of them have all the shit a modern home does but cut down on the space. Ideal for single people or couples without children.

I have an idea that I'd like to discuss but I would love OP's input as well.
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>>1582532
Something akin to this?
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>>1582466
well, we can get radio settled fairly easy can't we? we used to have our own radio broadcast anyway. we should bring back fireside chats hosted by the courier and, in his absence, close companions/former enclave members. would be a simple, entertaining way to get state policy out to the people
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>>1582548
I don't have dimensions for it unfortunately
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>>1582548
i like the layout. something like this would be a monumental upgrade for the slummers we're housing now
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>>1582439
The day comes. Everything has been made ready. Food and booze has been stockpiled, tables and chairs put out, flags made, preparations planned. The stage, literally, is set and you stand there along with your people, standing before a giant flag, the burning Pheonix reaching for the white star that is your new nation, its citizens lined up on the road leading to the gate to the east and the Alien spaceship to the west.

You had Unity's band prepare, in a place a little out of sight but just right so as not to disrupt their sound. Dean is somewhat disappointed, he felt the band should be seen as well as heard, but considering the circumstances of their actual appearance he understands.

And then the music begins to play, and your army marches forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UNdlm2kZfk

Moreno did his best, and it paid off, as they march to the beat of some drummers. Securitrons wheel behind them, bearing their soldier's faces proudly, as trucks and other assorted war vehicles rumble forward honking their horns and people cheering and waving tiny flags.

Its a grand sight. And then from the west the Chinese join in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ClaJrLghug

Clearly they have had a lot more experience at this parade business than you, having actual parade uniforms cleaned and pressed, multiple flags, and their own marching band. Where your soldiers are walking in step, they are truly marching kicking their feet as they do. They have a much larger human army that marches before their powerful Bawang Tank and the APC arrayed in neat rows and columns lead by their own officers.

Your allies outdo you in the parade, for now, but still the air is charged with an excited and hopeful fever that sweeps over you and your people.
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>>1582549
I think the radio would be much easier than a tv system. Especially since you find so many working radios around the world that we can scavenge.

I love the fireside chat idea, but I'm afraid well come of sounding like President Eden from fallout 3.
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>>1582594
maybe we could program a smooth talking ai to do it like mr. new vegas. one that has charm but is relatively unbiased (also like mr. new vegas)
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>>1582600
... I like this idea. Alot.
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This one may be even more cramped, but could be an option for some.
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>>1582548
Correct, that is the general sort of design.

http://cdn.archinect.net/images/650x/2d/2djp9dz6o4sq2fqc.jpg
http://inhabitat.com/nyc/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2013/01/narchitects-adAPT-design-roomplans-537x381.jpg

This is a apartment design meant to house, feed, wash and provide storage for clothes for one individual.

My plan is to "double" up these structures, removing the bathroom from one unit and the kitchen from the other before adding a space which shall contain a computer terminal replacing the removed bathroom assuming we have the resources to provide such a thing attached to a network, allowing us to send them information and receive input / notifications from the people. Also the benefits of everyone having a E-mail can't be denied.

Instead of having a fold-away double bed, we will have a bunk-bed structure mounted into the wall / space of the removed kitchen. Allowing the other unit's space to be dedicated to being an actual living area. Privacy can be maintained by use of curtains in front of the sleeping pod. The storage provided should be sufficient for a people with far fewer physical possessions.

>>1582549
If we go with my plan of a terminal in every room, I would point out they can play back tapes so they must be able to play radio style messages if we have a receiver for them to route from. So long as you have enough receivers (one per station) then everyone can just receive the data from them.

>>1582552
Dimensions aren't too important, since OP is giving bonuses for floor plans, not dimensions precisely.

>>1582576
Damn communists and their love of parades.

>>1582600
>>1582603
That reminds me, OP could we link the SINK central intelligence into the flats so he can act as a virtual assistant / intermediary between us and the people?

>>1582622
That'll work as well. It has everything they might want essentially.


>Capatcha was houses
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>>1582673
Those designs are pretty small though. I think >>1582348
would be a good standard for everyone to have.
Would obviously have less frills, but decent shape and layout, with space for personal things.
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>>1582746
Woops wrong picture
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>>1582746
Did we start a riot? Why that picture?
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Your army is assembled. Your people stand before you. All is quiet, the spotight flahses on your face as all listen to your words.

You stand before the microphone, and speak, and your voice echoes throughout the crater and on every securitron you have.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. It has been a long, difficult road. A road that began not in any one place, but all over the wasteland. Many of you, like me, have their origins in the west. Others of you started your life in the Mojave. Some of you even hail from the east. And there are many among you who hail from the stars themselves, whose ancestors were born across the sea.

Our paths are many and winding. But they have all lead to one destination. Here! In the Big Mountain. For it is not so "empty" as it was before.

Today we mark the birth of a new nation. A common identity. One we can look upon with pride and shared vision. One that cannot be washed away by the tides of the pacific, that cannot be blown away by the winds of the Divide, that will never be drowned in the blood flowing from the East.

Tonight, we celebrate the birth of the Phoenix Commonwealth. Born of an ancient spirit of America, but wreathed in the fires of new hope and technology which will shine like a beacon in this dark wasteland. The bear cannot strike it down, the bull cannot trample it.

This place is our treasure, our home, it is but the first of many cities we will build anew. And with it's use, its technology, not only do we dedicate it to make our own lives better than any other in the wasteland, it will give us the power to heal the nuclear scars on this land.

And it begins here, right before you, with the completion of the Hexcrete plant, which will allow us to build concrete buildings greater than any other, even capable of withstanding nuclear blasts. This is not the only technology in our hands, we have advanced alien technology from the stars researched, engineering knowledge of our allies within the ship, and the knowledge brought forth by the followers.

But all of this pales in comparison to our greatest asset. You! My fellow Americans! Remember this day, for you will be telling your grand children about it. Remember the day america was not dead, nor merely restored. With this the Phoenix Commonwealth, America is REBORN!"

At the end of your speech, the sky lights up like magnesium as flares, missiles, and fireworks launch and detonate high into the sky.

And to top it all of, a mighty Phoenix of fire soars into the air spreading its wings in a massive pyrotechnical display.
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Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1582758
What follows is a celebration that by all rights rivals even New Vegas.

Fires light up everywhere as Brahmin are roasted whole, and securitrons and people alike break out a massive cache of the various booze and spirits you've gathered and collected. Huge tables and trays of food waft delicious in the air.

Even the Chinese begin bringing in extra food from the ship, adding a unique taste. Even the people of the Ultra Luxe compliment them, saying they'd have killed for such well cooked meat!

You chuckle a bit because that was most likely literal, but only you and they know that

The spotlights then turn to Dean Domino and his band, and a music you have never heard before fills the air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhyhP_5VfKM

It' lively, its strong, its /real/ not some holotape. After hearing the same music on the radio for most of their lives, everyone is captivated by it. He and Unity seems to have found enough Old World suits, cloaks, and masks to make them all look decent enough and for the very first time the people aren't afraid to get close.

Civilians and soldiers alike enjoy the shooting gallery in particular, as you dole out free ammunition. Many get to fire a laser gun, plasma, and one of the fancy alien disintegrators for the first time.

Its a night none of them will forget. And as the band continues to play, and the music drones on into the night, and people get drunk, you have your own little after party to prepare.
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>>1582801
You can't shake it off, that feeling.

Even as you rewire Dr. Dala's house and have your robot scavenge for more linens and mattresses.

The feeling of forgetting something, something important.

Even as you and many of your companions grow tipsy, and skillfully select some of your female companions to "escort" to Dr. Dala's house for the night. What with so many rebel rousers around.

You have the forgetful feeling scratching at you, as if your brain were trying to tell you something, a memory dulled by booze and excitement. Even as you enter the house and your friends are amazed by the new pink lights and fresh clean furniture.

The night goes on. Something goes up. Many things fall to the floor. Booze bottles are opened by Cass and Hazel and passed out. Games are played. Tongues get looser. People get drunker and hotter.

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You bolt up in your sheets, the thinnest sliver of sunlight pouring through the window as you sit there surrounded by 9 sleeping bodies covered in the sheets and empty bottles. Your head aches, the light burns, and the whole place stinks of booze and other things. But you remember!

You remember that you forgot the rubbers! Oh shit.
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>>1582866
Who exactly participated?
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>>1582866
>You remember that you forgot the rubbers! Oh shit.

Meh. I thought it would be something much more horrible
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>>1582896
I mean, if we really wanted to, the auto doc probably has the necessary functions, to nip this problem in the bud.
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Are we arguing about housing right now? Cause I'd like to enter this argument.
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!NEW!
>>>>>Food: Average (Stable)
>>>>>Water: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Electronics (NONE) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Low) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)

---

You weren't really able to get the stealth mission done. You and most of the stealth team were way too knackered and are recovering from massive migraines. As is most of your people.

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>>1582866
Unity walks home, to go be with Sam. Sam had been playing with the other children, the Brain watching over her, and had put her to bed back in the SINK before she came over last night. She seems pleased.

Cass meanwhile wants to drink some of her headache away, and asks not to be talked to for a few hours. Or a day.

Veronica blushes awkwardly, unbelieving of what just happened, and wobbles home bowlegged. As does Wendy Gilbert. Niether of them able to look you in the face.

Hazel joins Cass for another round of biting the dog that bit them.

Vanessa, Joana, Sonia are actually okay with it and each gives you a light on the cheek kiss. They also call you an idiot and slap you on the face for forgetting the rubbers.

DanDan says something in mumbled Chinese, and calls you "incredibly irresponsible" as she too wobbles home her face beet red.

Rusty meanwhile is still sleeping under the sheets and scratches himself. You wonder where you life has come to when you have a killer teddy bear as a wingman.

You suspect if you ever tell Niner about this he'd have a heart attack that he missed this.
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Alert. Gain a permanent boost to Morale. Morale has been raised! Actions are more effective now.

---TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: High
Permanent: Patriotism (Slight - Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Barracks/Training Ground. (Average){DAMAGED}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few){DAMAGED}. Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course {DAMAGED}
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---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: High
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+31 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

2000 Sierra Madre Chips

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 58
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>>1582348
I like this design for our houses, similar to the Fallout 4 Sanctuary but a little smaller.
I don't like the idea of Micro-apartments, i enjoy a little room in my home.
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>>1582997
Have the new fuel farms been constructed in Newberry springs yet or do i have to dedicate a second action to it?
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Rolled 63 (1d100)

>>1582997
>Hero
do the stealth op to that town we were going to stealth op
>Civ
go get make more concrete
>repair
repair the military assets
>military
make our soldiers not so rusty anymore
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>>1583016
Oh right, hang on.

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

It needs people to work, I still haven't gotten a clear insight on who you're willing to staff it.
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>>1583031
Ah good.
Supporting >>1583022
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>>1583036
Hey, could you vote for one of >>1582326
so we can actually populate Newberry?
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>>1583043
I'm too indecisive, give me a minute.
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>>1583043
>>1582326
I'll vote for the Lottery system.
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>>1583068
[LOCKED]

Writing

Keep voting for this turns actions too
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>>1583022
supporting
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>>1583022
>>1583036
>>1583131
LOCKED
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CORRECTION

---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: High
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+16 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
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>>1583337
are our super mutants integrating ok?
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>>1583350
Sort of. They stick to themselves mostly, but sometimes people walk by and say hello.

Lilly is still friendly with Children, as is Marcus.
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>>1583022
>Civ
>go get make more concrete

Another concrete run, draining yet more food. Hopefully when the other hemp farm comes to fruition it won't be so incredibly resource taxing.

>repair
repair the military assets

Kreger suggests building a proper military HQ out of concrete, including a barracks.

>Accept?

Meanwhile re-training continues
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>>1583482
Accept
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>>1583482
Sure why not.

Captcha is taunting me. Select all pictures with appartment buildings.
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>>1583482
Accept.
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>>1583507
You take a stealth team consisting of yourself, Riddick, Sonia, EDE-E, Rusty, Hazel, and Dandan. That was the most you could fit in Riddick's car, because Ridgecrest is very very far away.

Ridgecrest is a large ruined town or tiny city, about the size of westside. Vast spaced out fields of ruined suburban homes surrounded the rubble of the main town and highway. You park your car behind a ridge so as not to be spotted, and pull out your binoculars.

The flag of the bear hangs over the town and sodiers paro, although there seems to be a medium sized garrison here and not much colonization, you don't see a steady water source.

What's more interesting is beyond it.
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>>1583537
Its an Old World Air force base. This one is HEAVILY garrisoned with what looks like a small army.

And for good reason, the airport is a buzz with activity. NCR vertibirds are flying and landing, and trucks and moving two and fro. You see a railroad train parked nearby.

There are lots of airfields and parking lots where parked aircraft of many variety are sitting. Nearby is even some kind of aircraft graveyard, and you spot old world planes, one even looks similar to the one the Boomers use.

You see other odd looking tracked vehicles in the distance, if your eyes didn't decieve you, you'd be thinking you saw a tank. No. . .you do see tanks. Several tanks. Those are definitely tanks.

Beyond that seems to be some kind of power plant, or something. It looks like some of the surface geothermal works BigMT has.

The NCR has a major presence here both in air and land.

>What do
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>>1583559
>destroy fuel sources
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>>1583559
leave. A bit too much heat to try anything now, or here.
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>>1583569
this
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>>1583576
>>1583569
but do it stealthy
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>>1583559
well shit.

We cant / shouldnt attack them now. Learn as much as we can as stealthily as we can? We need to leave it alone and come back with a plan and an army. Preferably with a way to deal with flyers and tanks.
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>>1583578
wait I change my mind. we keep making the mistake of being overly hostile lets just scout it out and not bother attacking that would only draw attention to the area
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>>1583578
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Do not attack
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>>1583559
changing this >>1583569 too no attack
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You opt not to try anything directly aggressive, this is definitely a lot more than just Caesar's Fort or the Strip we're taking here.

Still, while here, is there anything else you wish to do? Or return home to gather some force.

>return home
>Other?
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>>1583656
>Check the old world graveyard for parts or stuff that we may need thats rare or exotic?
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>>1583665
yeah lets go grave robbing
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>>1583665
sure
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>>1583675
>Writing
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Also, if we make use of our robots to move the parts from their maximum range (which is fairly close to the airbase and could be expanded that far by using the Chinese APC's radar / radio system as a signal booster / router) all the way back to our towns, allowing our stealth teams to focus on merely moving the parts the greatly reduced distance.


Also we could set bombs to destroy anything we can't take or don't want.
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>>1584048
>Also we could set bombs to destroy anything we can't take or don't want.
Too aggressive, right now we just want to be a ghost.
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>>1584074
I know, I know but that is what I plan on doing once we have salvaged everything we can.


Then we sneak in and drive out the tanks (they'd be hardest to disassemble for anything, so want to take them whole), eliminating anything that tries to follow using the prior mentioned bombs.
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>>1584048
we don't want them to know we're their the longer it takes for them to notice, the longer we have to cover our tracks. Explosions makes everything a mad dash home.
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Also catching up on things that happened while I was off watching Doctor who and having a meal.


>>1582727
They might be small but people aren't going to be spending much time there if we get things how I want them. They will be spending time working, partying, training and otherwise enjoying life.

Their homes are primarily sleeping, eating, storage and washing arrangements and in this society people have few material possessions beyond their clothes and such. So the small amount of storage space these rooms provide is entirely sufficient.

>>1582924
Sure, enter if you want but it's really just an argument at this point of if we should future proof our constructions by giving them extra space for additional features and to allow for child raising in them or making them smaller and thus saving resources, time and thus allowing us to move more of our population into the new homes quicker. Followed by making family homes later / letting them make their own as needed.
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>>1584120
True but I don't plan on doing it now but rather once we have everything we want or can take.
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>>1584093
We're picking up small important choice bits. so won't be leaving with much
As for getting the tanks out, we have no guarantee they're fueled and ready to go. Don't make using a vehicle you don't know part of your exfil strategy. Also they have air support when we don't.
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>>1584146
>We're picking up small important choice bits. so won't be leaving with much
Which is why I want to make use of the robots, so we can take far more far quicker. Allowing us to strip entire planes at once.

>As for getting the tanks out, we have no guarantee they're fueled and ready to go. Don't make using a vehicle you don't know part of your exfil strategy.
True but if that is the case, we can get fuel from their fuel dump (they have trucks and shit in the area running, they need fuel) or bring some with us.

>Also they have air support when we don't.
That is what the bombs are for.
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>>1584143
That gives us minutesto get away, maybe hours. If we're in and out, like a ghost, It may take days for them to realize anything, if they even realize at all.

They would also not know when things are taken, so they would not be able to pin anything on us, when they find us.
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>>1584163
Are you planning an all out assault? stripping planes down to their bones is very noticable, and so will the bot convoys transfering goods.

Tanks may not be operational now- dead engines, dead batteries, rusted transmission. All sorts of things that would necessitate alot more time then we would want to spend here.

They're air support is flying- how will we place a bomb on a flying vertibird?
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>>1584129
>They might be small but people aren't going to be spending much time there if we get things how I want them. They will be spending time working, partying, training and otherwise enjoying life.
Can you explain this further please?
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You take your team and carefully sneak into the compound, as they provide you over-watch. By far this group is one of the better militarily cohesive.

You comb through the airplane graveyard. There are rows and rows of aircraft from different era's, ranging from the mythical "War before the Great War" of which few people if any understand all the way up to the Great War itself.

Propeller craft, jets, helicopters and others. Most of those which are exposed to air and rain are in scraps and ruined parts though, with the most sensitive equipment having been rusted away. There are some electronic parts from intact aircraft you could salvage, and it almost pains you to do so because these are such nice looking machines.

+Electronic Scrap

Meanwhile, you hear the sound of footsteps and robots and raise your hand to stop your companions, as they hide and get into position ready for a stealthy take down if needed.
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>>1584240
You observe a single man in an NCR uniform, not a soldier or trooper but more in fatigues and looking like an engineer or mechanic of sorts, working with his robots to also scavenge the aircraft.

Hang on a second. You recognize that man.

It's Jack the Boomer! You helped him fix up the Lady for the Boomers and he gave you a re-breather mask. You also helped him find a girlfriend. What's he doing here and wearing the mark of the bear no less?

>What do
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>>1584174
>That gives us minutes to get away, maybe hours. If we're in and out, like a ghost, It may take days for them to realize anything, if they even realize at all.
True but then we don't have tanks. Tanks are great. Plus, if we are smart and drive the tanks in such a way as to lead away from our lands before circling back, they can't link it to us easily.

>They would also not know when things are taken, so they would not be able to pin anything on us, when they find us.
They can't just start pinning things on other groups without logical reasons. Lest morale get fucked. Also the NCR ain't going to start a war with the people whom just seemingly stole a entire air-force out from under them plus many tanks and are hugely militarised.

>>1584199
>Are you planning an all out assault?
Trust me if I was then they'd have no chance of getting a message out or even of there being a blood stain left.

>Stripping planes down to their bones is very noticeable, and so will the bot convoys transferring goods.
You'd think but how would they know, a few engines go missing in a huge graveyard and no one questions it and if they do, all they have to go on is sheets filled out by troopers who were probably tired, dehydrated and overworked. Not exactly reliable.

The bots will be forming up about 300 meters outside the base at the very least. Assuming that the Securitrons are as quiet in game as they are in quest and we can cover their screens, then they will be mostly unnoticeable at least until morning and someone finds their tracks. Which could be covered with a few leaf blowers at the back of the convoy.

>Tanks may not be operational now- dead engines, dead batteries, rusted transmission. All sorts of things that would necessitate alot more time then we would want to spend here.
If that were the case then I would have no problem leaving them for the NCR for now.

>They're air support is flying- how will we place a bomb on a flying vertibird?
Wait until it lands of course, there has to be places you could hide a small explosive charge without them noticing.

>>1584215
I plan on creating large communal spaces which the people may enjoy at all times (Bars, libraries, theatres, movies, sports fields) they are not labouring or otherwise engaged like education. Thus they will only be at home for meals, sleeping, dressing or washing. As we gain more resources we can look into making nicer housing but for now, let us focus on just having enough housing for everyone to have their "own" room.
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>>1584253
subtly get his attantion and have a talk to him
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>>1584253
Welp, we could try and get the boomers to grab this shit and run to us if we could get a meeting with their leader / the old lady.

Or we could pretend this never happened and continue with our current plan.

Or we could kill him and steal the robots (we have the perk to disable them) too before hiding his corpse. A dumb idea but we could do it.
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>>1584253
>Whistle him over silently towards yourself only.
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>>1584262
>I plan on creating large communal spaces which the people may enjoy at all times (Bars, libraries, theatres, movies, sports fields) they are not labouring or otherwise engaged like education. Thus they will only be at home for meals, sleeping, dressing or washing. As we gain more resources we can look into making nicer housing but for now, let us focus on just having enough housing for everyone to have their "own" room.
I don't know how to feel about that, i hate the idea of Micro-apartments but i admit i love what you just described.
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>>1584253
Draw him to an isolated location so we can talk with him.
I bet he doesn't like us.
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>>1584291
It is the most efficient and logical allocation of a societies resources towards the goal of cost effective and commonly available housing and entertainment. Eliminate redundancies, maximise use and plan for the future.
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>>1584281
>>1584274
>>1584306
>You
[*You whistle to him, to grab his attention*]

>Jack
"What, who'se there?" he pulls out a submachine gun, and walks toward you, flanked by his robots.

You step out and reveal yourself. Jack instantly recognizes you and puts the gun away.

>Jack
[Bots stand down, go off and continue your duty on the next plane.] They move away, and he then turns to you. [Courier. . .is that really you? What are you doing here! We thought you were dead.]
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>>1584319
well i aint. So this is what the NCR did with you when they rescued you?
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>>1584319
>I am to stay dead my friend, As are as many people I could've gotten out in time. Things went badly everywhere.
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>>1584319
tell him the jews are controlling the ncr and he needs to come with us to a white mans country not this nigger infested hell hole also tip our fedora at him and address him as jack-san
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>>1584319
"Not dead as you can see, had to run however, shit went bad."
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>>1584342
kek

>>1584336
>>1584345
>Jack
"You bet things went bad. One moment you tell us to defend ourselves, and then that was the last we heard of you. We held out against the legion for months, as they creeped in closer and closer. We thought you either died or abandoned us."

>>1584332
>Jack
"I work for the NCR now. We all do. The NCR sent in some rangers in disguise just as the Legion were closing in. They promised they could rescue us, and show us what true airpower meant. Next thing you know helicopters by the dozen were landing in by night and making strafing runs to keep the Legion at bay, while we loaded up all we had to their hulls.

President Yaunker himself was there and General Blackthorne. Said they were impressed with our skills, that they could forgive what we did to them and that he would offer us a new home if we would work for him. Pearl accepted. We all did."
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>>1584364
And how do you like it? How does the NCR treat you?
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>>1584364
"Had too take my sweet time to get to you, had shit to deal with elsewhere and when i had come to get you out i saw you leave with the NCR."
This too >>1584369
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>>1584369
>>1584375
>Jack
"Its too dangerous to talk here any further. Someone might notice my absence or see us.

If you want to talk some more, head to my home at 2 am. Its over there just keep walking until you see house number 245"
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>>1584364
Sorry about that. I did come and try and save you but I couldn't convince my people to help and even if I had, the Legion would have beaten us back.


But things are changing, we are gaining strength rapidly now...I understand if you no longer feel any loyalty to me but I couldn't do anything with the resources I had left after the battle.
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>>1584394
Thanks Jack and for whats its worth..I'm sorry, The legion had.. well, I don't need to tell you everything we thought was wrong.
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>>1584394
Do you guys head to his house?
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>>1584395
>Sorry about that. I did come and try and save you but I couldn't convince my people to help and even if I had, the Legion would have beaten us back.
We didn't talk to our people about saving them, we just went and did it and planned to convince our people after. We also didn't plan to beat back the Legion but to leave the airbase and bring the bomber to Big MT.
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>>1584410
Yes but first scope it out to make sure it isn't a trap.
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>>1584410
yes, and scope it out along the way. No traps.
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>>1584415
Yeah I suppose it could be better phrased as "we weren't in a position to help even though we want to".
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>>1584410
yes. send the others to wait at the car with the goods.
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>>1584431
>tfw anons don't want qt boi pucci
faggot
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>>1584421
>>1584431
You make your way to the house with a stealth boy, in the dead of night. Its fairly isolated, and there are no active guards about. The door doesn't seem trapped.

You gently rap on the door and wait, it unlocks and you see Jack peaking out of it.

"Its clear."

You stand up and he lets you in, closing the door. Inside the curtain are shut, and he bolts the door. You see you are not alone, Janet is there too, nursing a baby on her breast.

>Jack
"Janet, this is Courier. He's alive! Courier, this is my wife Janet. You introduced us."

>Janet
She gives a small grin and smiles. "Hello Courier. Long time no see. This is our baby, Julia."

>what do
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>>1584471
very nice baby.
Now tell me about what happened with the NCR.
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>>1584471
"Adorable, Girl or Boy?"
"What happened with the NCR?"
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>>1584471
backing this >>1584482
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>>1584471
nice tits
jack bring your hot wife and sexy toddler to my paradise you can fuck my lobotomite sex slaves
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>>1584482
the baby's name is julia my dude, i think it's self explanatory
>>1584471
explain to jack that we were not in a position to assist but we showed up at nellis the exact moment the ncr left. after that, ask him how he's liking being a soldier boy
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>>1584482
>Janet
"Its a girl of course. My beautiful baby daughter."

>>1584476
>>1584482
>Jack
"After the NCR rescued us, He asked us why we attacked the NCR. . .we had to tell him you told us too. But he didn't say anything else.

President Yaunker gave us all an official pardon, and offered to let us continue to be Boomers under the NCR. We were worried about working for Savages, but flying in their vertibird's and wearing uniforms they didn't seem like savages at all. They seemed a lot like us, then it turned out they really were.

He's done a lot for us, more than we ever dreamed. He knew how to repair the Lady, and he was interested in our knowledge of artillery. He gave us new homes, provided us with equipment and ammunition. We all work for the NCR now as artillery and aircraft engineers. . .and now we know who the real savages are. The Legion, who wanted to destroy all our technology."
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>>1584506
They named her after The Emperor himself.
Awe, may Mars smile upon her, and may she strike down many of Ceasar's foes. A true snake within the profligate's bed.
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>>1584506
"You're lucky its me who found you. A lot of the other Boomers resent what they see as you abandoning us to die. I still remember you helped rescue the Lady and helped me find my wife.

Life in the NCR is great. Its better than we expected. We still get to do what we love, we still get to be Boomers. Many of us even found wives or husbands like me.

I've talked with Yaunker, he's a brilliant man. He knew so much about the Lady and how she worked even before we met him. He's done a lot for us and we owe him.

Soon we're going to bomb savages . The true savages this time. The Legion. Maybe one day we'll even retake Fort Nellis."
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>>1584545
I apologize for leaving you.

How do you feel about Yaunker's goal's? what are his policies?

Does he seem like the sort to try and take everything he comes across, or is he more reasonable?
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>>1584545
lmao get rekt fag now come join me you lil bitch boi
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>>1584550
This.
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>>1584545
"To be fair, I can see why they might feel that way but I must tell you, I did try and save you. I was outside of your base watching you fly away when I got within any good range. I couldn't have left my people earlier because I was busy dealing with various threats and getting them set up in our new home.

As to the NCR being great, I would suppose so but I think you would have been better off long term with my people. We've got a good plan for future expansion and things are getting better by the day. Not to mention your culture would've been respected by me as well...

Still, I can respect you following Yuanker and wanting to take down the Legion. All I ask is that when they ask you to bomb my people, which I wouldn't put past them, refuse or slow down such operations.


Don't suppose there is anything I could do to convince you or any of the other Boomers to join my people? Any way for me to apologise for my failure to protect them?"
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>>1584600
The first bit is good but everything else is too arrogant and bad.
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>>1584609
Care to give a reason why? It doesn't sound arrogant to me in the slightest. It's true, we have a good plan for future expansion and things are rapidly getting better.
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>>1584609
yeah, now is really not the time to sell. Probably need to do things to earn their trust.
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>>1584550
>Jack
"I'm just glad it worked out for me and my wife.

Yaunker. . .he's well respected by the NCR. I can see why. He's been doing things for his nation. Keeping the power running despite the loss of Hoover Dam. Making big new industries for people to work in. Reintroducing trucks and vehicles.

He also fights against corruption. The other President, Kimball, let corruption weaken the NCR. They blame the big companies like the Caravans, the Brahmin Barons, and politicians in the NCR's own ranks. He lead a campaign to reveal their conspiracy and Legion traitors in them, tried and convicted them, and nationalized their companies. Everynow and then he still finds and roots out a traitor in Congress.

He's giving the NCR hope in the face of the Legion.

And he was willing to overlook what we did to his people, he hid it away we aren't to speak of it again. He even gave us a place and position in the NCR. We weren't expecting that, its a lot more reasonable than the Legion."
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>>1584614
Well, it honestly sounds like they're living the dream playing with their bombs and guns, that we can't offer.

To many, we betrayed them, so there is little element of trust

You're asking them to essentially commit treason to the one's giving them what they want.
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>>1584614
>As to the NCR being great, I would suppose so but I think you would have been better off long term with my people. We've got a good plan for future expansion and things are getting better by the day.
This is true but it sounds kinda naive.
>Not to mention your culture would've been respected by me as well...
This might not have been had we gotten the boomers.
>Don't suppose there is anything I could do to convince you or any of the other Boomers to join my people? Any way for me to apologise for my failure to protect them?"
This is pushy.
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>>1584627
>Well, it honestly sounds like they're living the dream playing with their bombs and guns, that we can't offer.
True but we have alien guns. That shit should have appeal.

>To many, we betrayed them, so there is little element of trust
True but we can prove we didn't mean to do so.

>You're asking them to essentially commit treason to the one's giving them what they want.
Aye, that is true. I just want to know the Boomers won't come to blows with us.


Still I can respect your point and retract my statements.
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>>1584618
So the NCR public doesn't know about the attacks? or your involvement?
That's good.

How's Pearl and the other elders? Do they feel like the others?
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desu lads I know I've just been shitting up this thread but if you use some subtly say by leaking what the boomers did to the ncr public we could then offer them our nation as a safe haven after the backlash thus recruiting them without need to convince them
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>>1584681
...Except they'd know it was us that leaked that shit.
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>>1584681
What if it leaks that we were the leak?
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>>1584688
we could go under the knife and leak it claiming to be an ex-ncr soldier who escaped from hoover dam battle
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>>1584655
>Jack
"Yaunker is spreading a story about how we helped defend the Mojave by firing on legion as they approached their bases, how we were the last holdouts and were miraculously rescued. He called it Operation Dunkirk. I don't know what a Dunkirk is, but I guess it means lifting us all by air and away from certain death.

Pearl and the others. They're somewhere in the NCR, they're helping to build a new town. It's being called Boomerville. I don't know where it is, exactly, but that's where most of the Boomers are now. The rest are like me, working in different NCR bases around the country helping where we can. Me and Loyal are here helping with their planes and keeping the Lady running. We're building new Lady's now with different names, and teaching others how to fly them with the simulators."
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>>1584697
How would we, as a random NCR soldier, know the Boomer did the artillery strikes?
Legion had artillery too. Remember the quest to fix their howitzer? Easy enough to claim the legion did most of the damage.
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>>1584697
...so what you are saying is that you want to play the NCR like a god damn fiddle? Like a bunch of fools?


Yeah fuck it. While we are at it I want to go and sabotage as many industrial facilities and shit as we can. Slow down their development if we can.


Also we need to accelerate the long range resource extraction and refining program. We need the mining / salvaging zeppelins out east in the next six months and the first refined material load back a further three months after that.
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>>1584716
You guys put way too much faith in people being smart
People with all the educational resources we have today believe 9/11 was an inside job this'll be a piece of piss we can at least so dissent among the populace
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>>1584716
That won't work. We have no way to prove it, and the official story is not unreasonable. We would need recordings of things like our meetings, or boomers coming out with the truth, which won't happen- they won't screw with the good thing they have going on.
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>>1584729
But those are generally people pretty low on the bell curve of "Amount of quality education"

Also this is pretty much a 9/11 conspiracy and all that has is nutjobs claiming its true, and doing nothing. Trying to leak this won't change anything.
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>>1584716
>Also we need to accelerate the long range resource extraction and refining program. We need the mining / salvaging zeppelins out east in the next six months and the first refined material load back a further three months after that.
We can't do that without setting up a proper airforce to protect the zeppelins.
Also we must begin dealing with Elijah, we left him alone for to long. I suggest we research the Vending machine with our boon next turn then research either the Meteorological station or an anti-cloud agent.
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>>1584742
it'll make a few people be dicks to boomers and we can style our society as way more tolerant making it easier to convince them down the line
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>>1584704
>What do
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>>1584766
Say goodbye and go home?
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>>1584772
ups to this. i wanna get back to production
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>>1584753
Not enough to be significant. Easy enough to ignore that when the government is giving them so much.
>>1584744
If we want to face elijah in a straight battle, we're going to need heck of a lot more resources. We need to get access to the mojave as soon as possible. As it stands, going at it along side the NCR would leave us with less territory, but we'd have a it sooner, and when we go against elijah, we'd have alot more friends.
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>>1584775
I don't want to face Elijah in a strait up battle, i want to neutralize the Cloud threat by either removing it or trapping it so we get more time, then continue developing our nation until we're strong enougn to defeat him.
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>>1584744
>We can't do that without setting up a proper airforce to protect the zeppelins.
Yes we can. We don't need an air-force to protect them in the post apocalypse since no major anti-air weapons have existed for 200 years east of us until you hit the midwestern BOS or other such things.

What we do need is the Utah Iron mines and deposits as very soon we will run out of scrap to extract in our region. It's now or never for getting a bird like this in the air and heading out to set up a refining operation unless we want to scrap things.

>Also we must begin dealing with Elijah, we left him alone for to long.
That I doubt but we can at least check up on him.

>I suggest we research the Vending machine with our boon next turn then research either the Meteorological station or an anti-cloud agent.
Vending machine sure but I would argue that researching down that route is less useful than using the boon for getting more out of our ordinary actions: more scrap, fuel or construction per act is quite useful.
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>>1584744
i would also like to support this guy's research suggestions
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>>1584787
>Yes we can. We don't need an air-force to protect them in the post apocalypse since no major anti-air weapons have existed for 200 years east of us until you hit the midwestern BOS or other such things.
What about the NCR's new airforce or technology that we just saw?
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Also I would argue we should research the Meteorological station and see if we can't extend that effect over the NCR's closest lands in an attempt to secure future expansions and to prevent them taking shit from our area.
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>>1584799
As long as we only cause weather phenomena that causes them to slow down or stop and avoid causing another Divide then i approve of this use.
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>>1584798
>What about the NCR's new airforce or technology that we just saw?
In the middle of being repaired, we just stole a bunch of rare and expensive parts and also they aren't in the direction we would be heading.

Assuming they did get them airborne, they seemingly want to use them against the Legion - whom we should probably give a fair warning so they don't get wiped out - rather than us.


>>1584805
Okay, so the exact opposite of what I want to do, sure.
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>>1584787
If we're hostile with the NCR, they can use their vertibirds, and this is a materiel graveyard- there are gonna be fighters.

Its an investment. Researching vending machines is a increase to future production- resources are a one shot deal.

>>1584784
How would that work? He has the madre locked down tight, with AA. if he finds out how to make more cloud, then that endeavor would be a waste of time, and he also has an army of ghost people for a fight.
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>>1584810
>He wants to cause another Divide.
Ok thats just insane, we lose WAAYYY too much from doing that.
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>>1584772
>>1584773
You thank Jack for his hospitality and information, and prepare to leave.

>Jack
"Good luck then. . .wherever you go.

I have to ask you though. . .why did you tell us to attack the NCR? They weren't savages at all. They were just. . .like us. We're part of the NCR now. I hope you aren't going to harm us too."
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>>1584813
>He has the madre locked down tight, with AA.
I know, it will take time to figure out a way to break through the lockdown which is why we need time.
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>>1584810
Why would we do that? Work with the NCR to push back the legion, claim a good chunk of the territory quickly.
The mojave is more profitable than any of the small towns in signal range.
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writing up the rest of the update
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>>1584821
The entire thing was a mess. It was supposed to be about pushing back both sides so the mojave can be for its own people, rather than for interest founded long ways off.

Kimball, the NCR president at the time was a very different man then Yaunker. He would not have been as accomidating as Yaunker.
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>>1584821
>I have to ask you though. . .why did you tell us to attack the NCR?
We would’ve only asked to attack the military targets, not the civilian. Military targets of opportunity, that is. But then we didn't do any quality assurance on that so a lot more collateral damage was done than expected. There wasn't supposed to be as much destruction had things gone to plan, everything was rushed. We’ll explain more in a bit.
You guys know what civilians are, right?
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>>1584821
"My goal was to make New Vegas independent, at the time, and perhaps still, the NCR was aggressively expanding and annexing lands and people while ignoring it's own corruption. This is against my goal of making a nation that would be better than both he NCR and the Legion so i asked you to attack the NCR while i prepared to fight of the Legion, unfortunately i expected you to only attack the military bases, the indiscriminate bombing was not in my plans."
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>>1584867
>You guys know what civilians are, right?
"Now we do. Now we know. I wish you had told us, but what's done is done."
>>1584869
"The NCR isn't ignoring its corruption anymore, and we need to be aggressive against the Legion. I don't know if you should still look for independence. They seem like a good people.

You better hurry up and leave before the patrols wake up. I hope if we meet again its not as enemies."
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>>1584901
>I don't know if you should still look for independence. They seem like a good people.
"I cannot except annexation, i have my own ideas for a civilization."
"Goodbye Jack, Janet, i hope you and your child have a good life."
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>>1584901
Wait, shit.
Before we leave, there's a couple of MAJOR threats besides the Legion that might threaten everyone's lives.
Also if we had to make a choice on alliances, we'd pick the NCR's side over those 3 threats any day.

Should we tell them what they are?
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>>1584919
Telling Jack won't help, how would he be able to tell his superiors about the threats without getting into trouble?
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>>1584919
not him. It would'nt be useful.
But If we make peaceful contact with the NCR leadership, then we can tell them that diplomatically.
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>>1584919
>>1584934
>>1584927
If we can't for whatever reason, we could hint at it so they know shit might go down besides the Legion soon.
You know, in the event Elijah and Crypto decide to destroy us all.

Only concern is making sure they don't jack that sweet loot if we tell specifically what it is.
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>>1584938
>Only concern is making sure they don't jack that sweet loot if we tell specifically what it is.
They most certainly will, which is another reason why i don't want to tell them.
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>>1584813
>If we're hostile with the NCR, they can use their vertibirds, and this is a materiel graveyard- there are gonna be fighters.
Okay so the NCR is going to deploy ground attack helicopters and restored fighters against us? The ones we just stole the parts from? The things which they aren't going to send miles outside of their lands to hunt airships? Burning valuable fuel?


>>1584817
Only temporarily. I'd only do it if we could deactivate or fix it later.

>>1584834
I was refering to the area heading towards the NCR core lands rather than that direction. As that land is under the control of the Legion.

>>1584821
"The NCR were, no, are a problem. You were a solution. Had things gone to plan...no...no point thinking of what if's. Have to focus on the now. Have to ignore that you fired on a refugee camp or the strip getting gassed by a band of savages or the Legion planting a bomb on the Dam or anything else.

As to them not being savages, nor are the Legion. I've seen their core lands and trust me, what they offer is...enticing but I think humanity deserves more than what they offer and I see the NCR as merely a repeat of the old world. A repetition doomed to failure, another society spiralling slowly into the grave that is the history books...but maybe I am too pessimistic about their future...

Had things gone to plan, we'd be doing things so very differently. We'd not be having this discussion, we would instead be talking about expansion into the Legion lands and peaceful relations with the NCR and about making use of the advances of science I know about for the good of all and so much more. But things have changed, I've discovered threats that even the entire NCR and my people couldn't beat. I've seen things that make me wish for another round of nuclear fire all over the region. I've lost and I've lost and I've tired to make up for it. Forgive an fool for thinking that things would go according to plan...but I must keep working, in the hopes of at least stopping some of the threats I have seen.

If you can get a single word back to your highest commanders, a single phrase...tell them this: Elijah has found his army, Elijah is coming, Elijah is dead yet his rage lives on and the coming storm, the coming cloud shall drown all in it's path if it is not stopped.

Warn them that the Man who burned the Divide, who wandered the big empty, who struck at the battle of the Dam and who has done so much without any fear...is afraid. Is terrified. Is scared, worried, frantic, manic, whatever you think will get the point across."
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>>1584938
If we have the loot, then its ours, if they have the loot, then we can't really take it. nature of alliances.
>>1584941
Don't focus so much on maximizing what we get out of it that you turn down allies needed to win in the first place.
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>>1584944
>Only temporarily. I'd only do it if we could deactivate or fix it later.
it ain't temporarily, everyone would be pissed we did that.
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>>1584901
>"Now we do. Now we know. I wish you had told us, but what's done is done."
>>1584810
To be honest we assumed everybody knew what they were, but quality assurance and all that. So apologies for that.
>>1584919
>>1584938
Anyways, we still have to hash out some details. But if you could, could you try leaving a good word for us so you folks don't get your asses kicked? When we hash out who we want it attributed to?

>>1584944
>nor are the Legion. I've seen their core lands and trust me,
If you ignore the fascism, slavery, and any other ass-backwards traditions that is. Disregarding that, it's pretty neat.
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>>1584955
That is because the storms are seemingly self sustaining or at least the facilities for them are still working.
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>>1584944
Would the resource rich NCR spend time and fuel that they can afford seeking and destroying our very important resource lines? I would believe so.

Too much damage- its excessive and would damage the land we want.

Don't use divide storms at all.
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>>1584953
>Don't focus so much on maximizing what we get out of it that you turn down allies needed to win in the first place.
The problem is the Vending machines are REALLY VALUABLE, the NCR having them would fuck us over a lot.
>>1584944
I do not like the Dialogue.
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>>1584960
It ain't about the storm being self sustaining, it's about the use of a divide storm, those things fuck shit up and can be compared to a nuke, do you really think people would like someone who used a nuke?
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>>1584959
>fascism
I think you mean theocratic nation or monarchy or something. They aren't really arranged as a racial thing but I guess they could be considered so because of their tribal formation.

>slavery
They are a pre-industrial society, slavery is pretty much par for the course.

>any other ass-backwards traditions that is.
True but we don't know if they even have any other such traditions.

>Disregarding that, it's pretty neat.
Correct which is how a large portion of our improvements will be made. Just not doing those things.
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>>1584971
We can fight alongside the NCR for vegas, then use their resources for our own personal war on elijah.
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>>1584992
>We can fight alongside the NCR for vegas.
Fuck no, they can have some other Legion lands but not Vegas.
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>>1584960
>at least the facilities for them are still working.
I think it's the facilities, it doesn't target the BigMT and those facilities are apparently the source of them.

>>1584986
>They are a pre-industrial society, slavery is pretty much par for the course.
Only because technology versus manpower, and underdeveloped cultural notions in those sense. It's easier to steal someone else's people and work them to the bone than figure out how to make everyone's work easier.

>I think you mean theocratic nation or monarchy or something. They aren't really arranged as a racial thing but I guess they could be considered so because of their tribal formation.
The Legion is a weird warlord mishmash of stuff, considering Caesar and the stuff he's trying to shoehorn in.
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>>1584999
>Fuck no, they can have some other Legion lands but not Vegas.
>inb4 it's like Berlin during the Cold War.
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>>1585009
Mostly seems like a range thing. the storms die down before they reach far enough.
>>1584999
We can maybe get vegas if we let the NCR have south mojave. A two pronged assault from the divide and I-15 would be the best strategic bet.
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>>1584992
Fighting with the NCR for Vegas will just strengthen them even more.

Honestly, the NCR is currently the largest threat to our future success. Their growing military strength (Air Force / armour / artillery) would probably utterly destroy the Legion if they fought now.

I believe that we should seriously consider assassinating the President. He's too smart, strong and dedicated - he'll lead the NCR to a victory over the Legion and then us.
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>>1584969
>Would the resource rich NCR spend time and fuel that they can afford seeking and destroying our very important resource lines? I would believe so.
Assuming they were aware of them, us, their course and had craft in the area able to intercept? Quite possibly.

>Too much damage- its excessive and would damage the land we want.
Not as badly as you would think. Just remove the first meter or so and you would get rid of most radioactive particulate.

>Don't use divide storms at all.
Spoil-sport. I can't use biological, chemical, nuclear or other non-conventional weapons?

>>1584971
Why not?

>>1584985
True but it's something I would argue isn't as bad as a nuke, seeing as this is something you can see coming.

>>1585009
>I think it's the facilities, it doesn't target the BigMT and those facilities are apparently the source of them.
Something like that aye.

>Only because technology versus manpower, and underdeveloped cultural notions in those sense.
I am sorry, the first part of that makes sense. The second just comes across as condescending as fuck.

>It's easier to steal someone else's people and work them to the bone than figure out how to make everyone's work easier.
True, it is.
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>>1585036
But he's reasonable, and fighting for his people rather than fame or kickbacks from the corps. If we could make peace deals with the NCR he would be the most likely person to deal with.

Any replacements might be frothing at the mouth militant, which doesn't look good for us.
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>>1585036
>Their growing military strength (Air Force / armour / artillery) would probably utterly destroy the Legion if they fought now.
I honestly wonder how the Legion is supposed to fight the NCR now that they're no longer sitting on their asses. Last I recall they're mostly using sword and melee weapons.

>>1585040
>The second just comes across as condescending as fuck.
Whew lad. Taking it a bit harshly are ya'?
As in, treating everyone else as sub-humans savages only fit for that type of work. That's how you make slavery an acceptable thing.
Plus Caesar's the only one shaping their identity to my knowledge, and he's got a brain tumor and stuff.
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>>1585032
We don't need to give them any of the Mojave, they can have anything past the lower california-arisona border right below the mojave.
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>>1585040
Zepplins are not renown for their stealth. If we make and enemy of the NCR, they would be able to find our resource blimps

Maybe, but it also damages the buildings and infrastructure

No. WMD's are a bad idea.
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>>1585046
Any deal with the NCR would leave as a vassal state at best - ripe for future annexation.

You're right, he is reasonably and fighting for his people - which is exactly why he needs to be removed.

We want a Presudent who is inept and corrupt, Kimbell was perfect. We want the NCR internally divided and weak, leaving them more open to the message of our reborn America.
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>>1585040
>>1585067
Realpolitiks sucks.
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>>1585058
They have their fair share of guns. AM rifles, assault carbines. Better than the NCR. Melee only is reserved for the recruits. And now they have the nellis equipment. If the NCR is gearing up, Ceaser would just the same.
Its not like he's a true believer

>>1585063
Legion is only in the mojave. If we want NCR help to push back the legion we need to concede some legion land. The NCR is probably already moving for south of the Mojave
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>>1585088
I said anything past the California-arisona border, looking at a fallout map i think we should give the NCR south Legion lands and we get north Legion lands.
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>>1585081
Eh, it's what we have to do to succeed in rebuilding America.

For a star to rise, others must fall.
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>>1585067
Kimball would have been best, but he's out. With how much mobilization already happened, killing the current president would not put things back to how they were. It could cause any number of things, but any replacement would be from Yaunker's administration, and he cleaned house.

We can avoid being a vassal by using the legion as a common enemy. As long as we don't take any hostile actions, then he would not get the declaration of war through congress, because the NCR would rather focus all their efforts on them.
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>>1585058
>Whew lad. Taking it a bit harshly are ya'?
I literally can't feel emotions besides rage and amusement. It is 3:40 in the morning and I am sobering up.

>As in, treating everyone else as sub-humans savages only fit for that type of work. That's how you make slavery an acceptable thing.
Were you even here for the purchasing of our slave? I would advise reading it again, they don't consider them below themselves in that manner.

>Plus Caesar's the only one shaping their identity to my knowledge, and he's got a brain tumor and stuff.
Well, that view denies the agency of all of his people to make changes.

>>1585065
>Zepplins are not renown for their stealth. If we make and enemy of the NCR, they would be able to find our resource blimps
That assumes they have a functioning radar system which they can move or is in the area plus people to operate it.

>Maybe, but it also damages the buildings and infrastructure
That was more so caused by the nukes going off in the Divide.

>No. WMD's are a bad idea.
Mate they are a great thing so long as you are the one with the button.

>>1585081
Essentially. Prime point is however killing this guy would potentially be a good thing depending on who replaces him.
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>>1585118
True but killing their current president removes the pressure to improve and the focused vision of how to do so.


Then we follow that up by destroying all their industries and shit.
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>>1585113
I disagree.

As stated before, the NCR are too strong. They don't need our help to beat the Legion now, and even if they did, they'd be much better off than us after doing it.

Realistically we should remove the NCR President and help the Legion take on the NCR. After that, we kill Ceasar and watch the Legion fall apart as they can't control all of their new territory (while we help by cultivating slave uprisings)

After both the Bear and the Bull are weak, we sweep in with our robotic army and restore order to the masses.
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>>1585133
Such a plan could work. At the very least prolonging the war between the two sides and making it an expensive thing for the NCR will only help us.


Especially if we can get the Legion to let us set up mining outposts and such in their lands.
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>>1585127
>I literally can't feel emotions besides rage and amusement.
lol
>It is 3:40 in the morning and I am sobering up.
How long have you been up for?

>>1585009
>The Legion is a weird warlord mishmash of stuff, considering Caesar and the stuff he's trying to shoehorn in.
>>1585127
>Were you even here for the purchasing of our slave? I would advise reading it again, they don't consider them below themselves in that manner.
Again, weird mishmash of stuff. What I said isn't a 1:1 end-all be all for circumstances.

>>1585127
>Well, that view denies the agency of all of his people to make changes.
The Legion falls if Caesar dies, right? Whether in war or from separation? So they weren't a cohesive enough identity, unit, or whatever if he was needed to keep them from shattering.
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>>1585127
I understand the want for wmds, especially for those what if scenarios, but the question for me is "How can we call ourselves different from the old america that laid waste to half the world if we have wmds of our own?"
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>>1585127
Or just flying around over our heads, as we don't have any AA. Its a blimp, not a fighter plane. Its big and slow, and why do you think the NCR doesn't have radar? Cold war planes had radar.

Killing the president could also get someone who is bad for us- motivated to fulfill a martyr's dream, driven by revenge, etc. We can be fairly certain we're currently dealing with a straight shooter, which is the best we can hope for in the NCR's current political climate.
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>>1585129
Hostile actions that could bring the NCR on our heads when we're not in a position to push them back is a bad idea. We're small and need to make friends, not piss off the giant we're right next too.
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>>1585159
>Killing the president could also get someone who is bad for us- motivated to fulfill a martyr's dream, driven by revenge, etc.
As long as we frame the assassination as an act committed by the Legion, then that's fine.

Honestly, a President driven by revenge would be good. He'd take unescessary risks.
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>>1585187
May not be as accepting of us being next to their territory though. And we might not be able to frame the legion adequately enough.

From all evidence we have, the current guy seems reasonable, unlike the general from The Frontier, who would probably like to steam roll everyone in NCR way.

It would be better for diplomacy if we kept this guy in power, and focused our efforts East.
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>>1585148
>How long have you been up for?
I think 17+ hours.

>Again, weird mishmash of stuff. What I said isn't a 1:1 end-all be all for circumstances.
Yeah I would suggest reading through that entire section on the Legion.

>The Legion falls if Caesar dies, right? Whether in war or from separation? So they weren't a cohesive enough identity, unit, or whatever if he was needed to keep them from shattering.
They'd all still be Legion groups. Just the wouldn't agree on a leader.

>>1585158
>I understand the want for wmds, especially for those what if scenarios, but the question for me is "How can we call ourselves different from the old america that laid waste to half the world if we have wmds of our own?"
Because we have the tech to clear up the damage we do and we also have more WMD's.

>>1585159
>Or just flying around over our heads, as we don't have any AA. Its a blimp, not a fighter plane. Its big and slow, and why do you think the NCR doesn't have radar? Cold war planes had radar.
It's almost as if Cold war planes are something the NCR has few of and Radar is an expensive, sensitive and hard to use technology for a post apocalyptic society.

>Killing the president could also get someone who is bad for us- motivated to fulfill a martyr's dream, driven by revenge, etc. We can be fairly certain we're currently dealing with a straight shooter, which is the best we can hope for in the NCR's current political climate.
I would disagree. The potential for getting a better replacement is quite high and is possibly our only hope.

>>1585169
>Hostile actions that could bring the NCR on our heads when we're not in a position to push them back is a bad idea. We're small and need to make friends, not piss off the giant we're right next too.
That is stupid. It is better to invite action through action than to receive action through inaction.
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>>1585236
>I think 17+ hours.
>1585148
>>It is 3:40 in the morning and I am sobering up.
Variations with drinks and stuff. You should consider getting some sleep soon. What're you up for?

>>1585236
>Yeah I would suggest reading through that entire section on the Legion.
What I said was a general statement, not applicable to the Legion if that's what you were thinking of, because of circumstances and whatnot. I never said that this was what the Legion was.
If you want to I could explicitly label my statements with something like broad strokes or whatever if you're misinterpreting implied perspectives.

>They'd all still be Legion groups. Just the wouldn't agree on a leader.
To what degree? They were all conquered by Caesar being a rusemaster and it's not like he has a small council to make decisions with. It's warlords all the way down.
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>>1585236
Cold war planes were an example of how far the tech is. Radar tech would be in these planes, so there is no hiding the blimp.

Killing him is not our only hope. Its a act of paranoia. We can play nice with the NCR and keep our autonomy. We're in the sweet spot of being too small to be concerned about and too large to just roll over. With the legion looming as they are, we would be able to act as a full sovereign state.

Its better to make friends not enemies, and deal with problems with the pen, not the sword. Sabotaging the entire NCR industry is frankly impossible in any reasonable amount of time, and assassinating the president is not guaranteed to be untraceable to us. We can't get caught doing wrong doings if we don't do anything wrong.
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>>1585265
>>They'd all still be Legion groups. Just the wouldn't agree on a leader.
>To what degree? They were all conquered by Caesar being a rusemaster and it's not like he has a small council to make decisions with. It's warlords all the way down.
Sounds perfect.

Individual warlords who we can pick off one by one at our leisure.

I still believe that allying with the Legion (for now) is our best move.
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>>1583482
You don't just rebuild the Barracks and Target Range. You build a proper Military HQ ready to install all the necessary equipment needed to conduct the human element of warfare. The Brain itself plans to connect this to the Forbidden Zone and the SINK. Its a magnificent structure.

That's not yet finished but will be soon. Just needs more actions.

It uses up a lot of the concrete gathered, and HOBOY does concrete Guzzle water! You're not even halfway done and its drained you by an entire level.

It turns out not only do you have to mix water into the concrete, but you have to continuously hose it with water as it cures.

Still when its finished, you will have an incredibly secure center of operations against most threats.
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>>1585291
How the hell do we justify allying with the Legion to our citizens?
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>>1585291
That's the dumbest thing I've heard.

Ally with the Legion and our people hate us and we probably forced to conform to legion rules. We'd probably be forced to become a client state.

Ally with the NCR and we have the entire central states to build into, and though we would only get half that, its way more than we have now,
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>>1585320
>Ally with the NCR and we have the entire central states to build into, and though we would only get half that, its way more than we have now,
I'm wondering, does the NCR have any enemies besides the Legion to keep them in check? They're way huge.
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>>1585265
>Variations with drinks and stuff. You should consider getting some sleep soon. What're you up for?
This.

>To what degree? They were all conquered by Caesar being a rusemaster and it's not like he has a small council to make decisions with. It's warlords all the way down.
A large portion of the fighting men of the Legion have been raised to know no other order. They would remain with the Legate most likely...

>>1585274
>Cold war planes were an example of how far the tech is. Radar tech would be in these planes, so there is no hiding the blimp.
Again, you say that without providing conclusive proof. Also even if it was in these planes, we can just steal it and they will have to replace it.

>Killing him is not our only hope. Its a act of paranoia. We can play nice with the NCR and keep our autonomy.
No we can't. They will kill us since their leader knows what we did.

>We're in the sweet spot of being too small to be concerned about and too large to just roll over. With the legion looming as they are, we would be able to act as a full sovereign state.
How long do you think that will last? The legion aren't gonna be around much longer if the NCR keeps militarising at this rate.

>>1585299
The alternative is being eliminated by the Legion / NCR, it allows us to free slaves and thus not only grow our population but also help other people (including those that were left behind in the retreat). It also allows us to prepare to take over the Legion lands and prevents us having to fight an actual war any time soon so we can focus our resources on economic stuff using the shit we can trade with the Legion for. Steel and such will be easier to get in their lands if Ceaser gives us permission to mine their lands without robots and such.
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!NEW!
>>>>>Food: Below Average (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Water: Low (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Special Electronics (Small) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Low) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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>>1585326
Radar isn't secret tech at this point. With their mobilization, they will almost guaranteed have radar capabilities. If we take them from these planes, which we can't do, what with the garrison, then they'd just make more.

He covered it up. He can't push through on that Casus Belli because to his people, that was a legion attack. And you make it sound like his second wouldn't also know what he knows.

If we take land along side the NCR and put it into our industry, we would be strong enough that they wouldn't want to get into another war with us. Especially since we were their ally for the legion war. Hearts and Minds.

Our people would probably prefer being taken over by the newer, better NCR than work with the legion. Idealogically, there is not that much different between us and them.
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You enact a lottery to decide who gets to have the houses in Newberry Springs. Some lucky people get to live in it.

People tend to see it as fair though many are jealous, although you do have to send a few followers to ensure someone knows how to actually farm.

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!ALERT!

A lot of women in the population including a number of your companions, are experiencing a sudden growth in the number of missing periods, morning sickness, and other tell tale symptoms.

There's a lot of ad-hoc marriages and weddings, most people in the wasteland can't afford big weddings anyway so they tend to host private small ones.

Doctor Delilah is now Doctor Delilah Smith.

The Brain suggests having a government registry sometime in the future.

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---TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: High
Permanent: Patriotism (Slight - Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Military HQ/Barracks (Great){NEEDS MORE ACTIONS}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few)
Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course
>>
---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: High
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+16 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 59
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>>1585299
>>1585320
Hardly, it's simply repeating what I said back here:
>>1585133

We prolong the war between the two powers. We help the Legion because alone, they cannot hope to stand against the NCR and would be crushed quickly.

We explain it to our people as an alliance of opportunity. The same way the US allied with the Soviets to fight the Nazis.

You need to realise that the NCR has nothing to gain from allying with us - unless we're going to start handing over advanced tech.

The Legion though, do need our help. You just need to put morality aside and focus on the larger strategic picture.
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>>1585367
>Radar isn't secret tech at this point.
It isn't. However radar tech that actually does something to detect the presence of something is a fair bit rarer and harder to produce.

>With their mobilization, they will almost guaranteed have radar capabilities.
They were mobilising to eliminate the Legion, whom don't generally do the whole flying thing.

>If we take them from these planes, which we can't do, what with the garrison, then they'd just make more.
Unlikely for the prior reasons. Especially since they would need to produce exact replicas of the parts for the planes for them to work.

>He covered it up. He can't push through on that Casus Belli because to his people, that was a legion attack.
Trust me he could reveal the truth if he wants to and people would probably be too busy hating us to notice the change in statements.

>And you make it sound like his second wouldn't also know what he knows.
Almost certainly as I imagine they would go to the public with such knowledge which they haven't.

>If we take land along side the NCR and put it into our industry,

>we would be strong enough that they wouldn't want to get into another war with us.
Unlikely since they outnumber us so heavily and have so much more industry and other shit.

>Especially since we were their ally for the legion war.
Again there is little support for such an action.

>Hearts and Minds.
Because that worked in the middle east didn't it?

>Our people would probably prefer being taken over by the newer, better NCR than work with the legion. Idealogically, there is not that much different between us and them.
True but false. Our whole nation is founded on the concept of not being the NCR.
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>>1585416
>Hero.
Aid in researching the Vending machnes.
>Civ.
Research the Vending machines, spend a boon on this.
>Construction.
Build another fuel farm in Newberry springs.
>Military.
Train.
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Rolled 35 (1d100)

>>1585435
Forgot roll.
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>>1585416
>civ action
what >>1585435 said
>hero action
participate in military action
>military action
host a few intensive training sessions with the courier and all enclave members in charge
>research action
use boon on vending machine research to negate the need for more machines
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>>1585435
Change that military action to a salvage run and I will agree. Assuming that is something they can do.


Also some questions for OP. Assuming he is willing to respond. Primarily about the quality of housing we can offer.
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Rolled 33 (1d100)

>>1585441
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>>1585441
We don't have a dedicated research action, just the civ action.
>>1585444
I can do that.
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>>1585444
>Primarily about the quality of housing we can offer.
Depends.

Big apartments will be able to house masses of people for less resource, but obviously people will enjoy homes a lot better.
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>>1585450
screw it, just going to support >>1585435 then
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Rolled 4 (1d100)

>>1585416
>HERO
Talk with Brain about solutions to our water shortages / how we should begin building our robot army

>CIV
Research the Vending machines, spend a boon on this.

>BUILD
Finish the military complex

MILITARY
>Train in small unit tactics and cohesion

Fallout, could you please post that big ass list again
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>>1585455
this is why we should go for micro houses as a compromise. we could space them out quite a bit and offer several different layouts that are functionally similar and cost a similar amount of resources
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>>1585465
would probably end up looking like a smaller levittown by the end but that's a pretty classical american thing anyway
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Hey QM, what kind of water does our concrete need? Can we use the salt water in Trona?
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>>1585465
Can you show me an example of a microhouse?
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>>1585455
The questions are thus:

1) Could we provide every 2 person micro apartment with a single computer terminal linked into a settlement wide network?

2) Could these terminals function as radios, mail carriers, alarm clocks and so on as well as their original purpose?

3) Could we give them a link to the SINK central intelligence so they can have some sort of virtual assistant program?

4) Would these apartments be a sufficient improvement over the current habitation modules?


The apartment in reference is >>1582673.


>>1585478
Sure, some are on the other side of the link above but I can show you a bunch more of what I would advise as good ones if you want.
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>>1585465
Microhouses wouldn't be suitable for family use, but would be great for singles and maybe couples who don't mind cramped conditions.

Admittedly, it would still be just as if not possibly cost effective to use the same resources to make them single/double person apartment rooms instead of micro-houses since they seem to function the same.
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Can someone link these micro apartment or micro house ideas? Especially the pictures.
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>>1585434
Harder to produce means little when the NCR industry is so large.

Radar is still useful- tell when missiles are on your tail, where others in your air wing are.

What makes you think they can't? There is probably documentation somewhere in all of california that helps you make or jury rig radar modules for fighters/ close air support.

So give him a reason not to reveal the truth- make it more beneficial t have us as a friend. Offer military aid, resources for trade. He hid the truth because it helped him already. If it continues to help him, then he won't reveal it.

They would definitely go public if we start being hostile to them. They are bigger and stronger than us. We can't win in a fight. Why provoke one?

The people won't like declaring war on the tail of another war. He's not a dictator, he's subject to the will of the people. If we, with our new holdings don't provoke him, he won't be able to go to war.

They hate the legion more than us. They would be willing to work together to get rid of the active threat, rather than the theoretical.

Didn;t work because it doesn't work when in conjunction with shock and awe, and culturally incompatible peoples- we are not incompatible with the NCR.

We were founded not to be the old, weak, corrupt NCR. The new NCR is strong and stable. A big enough change to be acceptable most likely.
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>>1585483
I don't like them, give them an extra room for a living room.
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Rolled 69 (1d100)

>>1585416
support this >>1585435
Though we should plant crops too, next turn
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>>1582348
how about this.
the house i linked to above will be the standard family/couple house

singles would mostly have microhouses connected as apartments

how does that sound? i don't want them to have to live in tenement blocks or anything
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>>1585483
I'd like to see these micro apartments you speak of.

>with a single computer terminal linked into a settlement wide network?
Yes

>2) Could these terminals function as radios, mail carriers, alarm clocks and so on as well as their original purpose?
Yes. Would take some education too

>3) Could we give them a link to the SINK central intelligence so they can have some sort of virtual assistant program?
Yes. Good idea

>4) Would these apartments be a sufficient improvement over the current habitation modules?
most likely, especially if you give them to individuals or individual families.
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>>1585517
I can agree to that as long as me make more Family houses than individual.
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>>1585497
>Harder to produce means little when the NCR industry is so large.
It does when they don't exactly have a thriving electronics industry or anything of the sort. Most of their industry is simple shit.

>Radar is still useful- tell when missiles are on your tail, where others in your air wing are.
Lovely if not for the fact they aren't worried about missiles and that knowing where others in your wing are is only a problem if you need to maintain unit cohesion.

>What makes you think they can't? There is probably documentation somewhere in all of california that helps you make or jury rig radar modules for fighters/ close air support.
Sorry you think the military just left such valuable data lying around?

>So give him a reason not to reveal the truth- make it more beneficial t have us as a friend. Offer military aid, resources for trade. He hid the truth because it helped him already. If it continues to help him, then he won't reveal it.
Nope. Impossible. We have nothing to offer to him that is worth his while and we can spare.

>They would definitely go public if we start being hostile to them. They are bigger and stronger than us. We can't win in a fight. Why provoke one?
Because the fight is inevitable. But having it on our terms makes it easier for us.

>The people won't like declaring war on the tail of another war. He's not a dictator, he's subject to the will of the people. If we, with our new holdings don't provoke him, he won't be able to go to war.
American presidents have gotten away with wars which were outright illegal. Don't imply it is impossible.

>They hate the legion more than us.
That is unlikely, seeing as a fair bit of our population was slaves to the Legion for a time.

>They would be willing to work together to get rid of the active threat, rather than the theoretical.
Except they are going to be able to eliminate the active threat without any problem.

>Didn;t work because it doesn't work when in conjunction with shock and awe, and culturally incompatible peoples- we are not incompatible with the NCR.
It didn't work because if people want to hate you, they'll hate you.

>We were founded not to be the old, weak, corrupt NCR. The new NCR is strong and stable. A big enough change to be acceptable most likely.
Sorry so your suggestion is: end the quest, get absorbed into the NCR. I am not one to insult others but I would consider those the words of a cowardly and foolish man.
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>>1585464
supporting
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>>1585548
If you choose to join and/or be annexed by the NCR it wouldn't automatically end the Quest. Working for the NCR was one of the original starting options.

Technically speaking this entire quest is working on a write-in option that wasn't part of the original three.
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>>1585528

>>1582622
>>1582548
these could work as well Op depending on what anons think.
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>>1585578
Right.

Although building them individually as microhouses is possible, it seems more cost efficient just to integrate them as regular old apartment rooms.
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All answers are given in regards to the housing unit linked to and then further described in >>1582673.


>>1585513
Their living room is, in the original design, also their bedroom. In my modified design we double the size of the unit and turn one of each of the two bed / living areas into a specific area.

>>1585517
The house you have provided seemingly houses the same number of people as me. I see no children's rooms or anything.

>>1585528
http://cdn.archinect.net/images/650x/2d/2djp9dz6o4sq2fqc.jpg
http://inhabitat.com/nyc/wp-content/blogs.dir/2/files/2013/01/narchitects-adAPT-design-roomplans-537x381.jpg

Are the original floor plans I am referencing for my plans. I have others if you feel these are insufficient. Like the below link for example:

http://lifeedited.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/resource-furniture-adapt-nyc-floorplan.jpg

>>1585538
We don't have that many families but I can see a degree of logic to it.

>>1585571
True but it'd invalidate everything we've done up to this point to some degree and piss off the Chinese somewhat.
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>>1585604
>piss off the Chinese somewhat.
Hmm, care to explain your reasoning? You are effectively their leader and have already convinced them to be a part of (aka "ally") a major American power, their ancient rival and nemesis.
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I'd argue this one would fit a modern standard of an actual house rather than a microhouse, your people would love it.
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>>1585571
I personally would never vote for us to join the NCR voluntarily.

I am advocating for use of force and subterfuge against them after all.
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>>1585604
don't take that design too literally. that'll be about the size of the house and we could provide several layout options based on it, perhaps some with children's rooms (meaning some rooms will be shrinked a bit for space) but all around the same size
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>>1585611
We described the NCR as a corrupt corporate society to them, us trying to unify would probably piss them off.
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>>1585548
How do you know that? The've been rebuilding since fallout 2. They definitely have an electronics industry making radios and shit. Not that hard to switch to radar modules

Why would the NCR not want to maintain Unit Cohesion in their pilots? And Surface-to-air missles are a think. Legion uses rocket launchers, its not that much of a jump to assume they would use heat seekers.

Not lying around, but in a terminal or filing cabinet in a military base somewhere in all of California. Especially since they wouldn't be "TOP SECRET" These are planes that were outdated when the bombs fell.

We have a strong enough force to make us a bitch to get rid of. It would be easier for him to side with us than against us. We can at least try.

It makes it easier, but its still impossible. We can't take them. Declaring war on them before they can doesn't change anything.

Its not impossible, but on the tail of a massive war with the legion? The soldiers just won, they want to go home. He would be vilified if he tried to start another war.

The NCR hates the legion more than they hate us, is what I meant.

They don't know that. Cesear doesn't actually believe his teachings, and he wants to win. he will adapt the legion if he starts losing.

Then don;t make them hate you, simple solution.

I meant that in the context that we aren;t going to get our people to side with the legion, your dumb idea, by pointing them at the new and improved NCR. The new NCR would be acceptable to our people.
My solution is work alongside the NCR against the legion rather than try and be a One man IRA, get declared war on because something goes wrong, and get our shit pushed in. I would consider that the actions of a foolish man.
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>>1585616
Yeah that was a design I preferred but thought was a bit too big for our resource limits. However if you think we can produce enough, then sure.
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>>1585624
so in fighting the ncr we become them?
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>>1585627
Hmm possibly, but the Chinese are mostly isolated it probably wouldn't bother them.

What does irk them is the lack of expanding into a promised land, but they are enjoying the lack of horrific alien overlords.
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>>1585624
Its not a kill or be killed situation. We can achieve coexistance, as long as we actually try.
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>>1585637
Its not a matter of "Enough" per say, its a matter of how much you want to spend with your trickle of resources that you harvest.

How thinly you want to slice the pie. People like pie, especially more pie than less.
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>>1585650
i think the best way we could achieve coexistence is working for peace while ALWAYS being stronger and smarter than them. we'll have to be big brother
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>>1585650
>It's not a kill or be killed situation. We can achieve coexistance
Yes it is, and no we can't.

The NCR is an expansionist state with the goal of recovering America - even more so under this new President.

Our new nation is an expansionist state with the goal of recovering America...

See the problem here?

The destruction / incorporation of the NCR is a long term goal, same with the Legion.
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>>1585669
unfortunately they have a 100 year head start. If we want to surpass them we have to play nice so they don't crush us.
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>>1585435
LOCKED

Writing!
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>>1585677
we can't achieve victory over the NCR through any action we take in the near future. Killing the president won't change anything, and sabotaging industry is impossible with our resources.
We can coexist until there is no more space to expand to. split the legion territory in north and south, get the NCR looking to mexico.

The old expansionism was founded on wealth, not retribution. We don't know what motives the current Pres has. He might settle for destroying the legion and then rebuilding and settling down.
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>>1585635
>How do you know that? The've been rebuilding since fallout 2. They definitely have an electronics industry making radios and shit. Not that hard to switch to radar modules
Not in the slightest.

>Why would the NCR not want to maintain Unit Cohesion in their pilots?
Because it provides little benefits for a force whom face little if not no air opposition.

>And Surface-to-air missiles are a think. Legion uses rocket launchers, its not that much of a jump to assume they would use heat seekers.
Heat seekers are unlikely to be in their arsenal seeing as a rocket launcher is not a missile launcher. Also the fact that effective SAM isn't something they would have developed in fallout most likely until very late on.

>Not lying around, but in a terminal or filing cabinet in a military base somewhere in all of California. Especially since they wouldn't be "TOP SECRET" These are planes that were outdated when the bombs fell.
Potentially but in saying that so would the plans for many other things.

>We have a strong enough force to make us a bitch to get rid of. It would be easier for him to side with us than against us. We can at least try.
Not really. They could beat us with a fair bit of ease. Siding with us just doesn't bring about much.

>It makes it easier, but its still impossible. We can't take them. Declaring war on them before they can doesn't change anything.
It kinda does. Since it puts them on the back-foot and if done well, could allow us to eliminate a few towns without being linked.

>Its not impossible, but on the tail of a massive war with the legion? The soldiers just won, they want to go home. He would be vilified if he tried to start another war.
He has too much political power and popular support for it to bite him in the ass.

>The NCR hates the legion more than they hate us, is what I meant.
Possibly. Probably.

>They don't know that. Cesear doesn't actually believe his teachings, and he wants to win. he will adapt the legion if he starts losing.
I don't understand what you mean.

>Then don;t make them hate you, simple solution.
Your reading comprehension is a miracle of inbreeding, you know that? I said if they want to hate us, then they will hate us.

>I meant that in the context that we aren;t going to get our people to side with the legion, your dumb idea, by pointing them at the new and improved NCR. The new NCR would be acceptable to our people.
Members of our nation have died for independence from the NCR. I doubt they'll just accept it.

>My solution is work alongside the NCR against the legion rather than try and be a One man IRA, get declared war on because something goes wrong, and get our shit pushed in. I would consider that the actions of a foolish man.
I consider it the actions of a foolish man to abandon his mission and submit to others for no reason. I consider the actions you suggest insane and illogical based off of our past actions.

>>1585647
True.

>>1585655
Very true.
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>>1585702
See you keep saying that yet I keep standing here and presenting plans that would eliminate the NCR.


Tactical nuclear arms, biological weapons and various other things. I have shown that we could achieve and you know what you have said every time among others?


"Our people would never accept that."

"But that is too risky"

"It won't do anything"

"I feel that isn't acceptable"

And much more. I say we give my plans a try once more.
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>>1585739
Seconding.

We are at a conventional disadvantage compared to the NCR, so non-conventional weapons / tactics need to be considered.
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>>1585729
>Members of our nation have died for independence from the NCR.
mmmm, that seems more of a tacted on thing really. An implicited by default.

Most of them have died from independence from the Legion, and Alien Robots.
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>>1585755
Okay to be honest true but still my point stands.
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>>1585739
I will support this plan as a back up measure. I don't think they should be anything other than a last resort weapon.

As for the NCR, I feel we should keep tabs on them for now, but focus more on building up our own army instead of trying to antagonise them, or worse ally with them.
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Also to be fair, I dont think the NCR would be able to handle us unleashing the think tank on them.
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>>1585729
Not in the slightest, as in its not hard, or I'm off base? Why wouldnt they have electronics?

Its about discipline in the army- Which is desired by the military. Flyboy's act irresponsible and destroy expensive shit.

They have the central southern states- they have the texas, colorado, arizona military bases. They would have a rather complete arsenal.

They probably have the plans to many things. They have tank plans, and those would be in the same place as plane plans.

We can hunker down and be very much a pain to remove as long as they need to focus on the legion. We use the opportunity to play nice, fight the legion together, then maybe have a cold war while everything is put back together. Allowing us to live means they don't have to literally dig us out of a mountain.

It kinda doesn't- nothing inour connection range is particularly worthwhile. If we smack dab in the middle of NCR Industrial hotspot, then maybe. But out here on the eastern fronteir? barely anything.

It would if a grueling war is just finished. People don't want war. They want their sons and daughters back home, not picking more fights.

Very likely.

Cesear is a Follower, not a believer in his own teachings- a Hippocrit. He would rather survive than stick to the legion ideals, as proven by the auto doc thing. If he realizes he can't win with swords and assault rifles, he will give his troops machine guns and rocket launchers. The war won't be squishing machete men all the way back into texas.

Then don't make them want it. If they think its better not to, then they won't. You're saying "They're probably gonna hate us, thus lets make them hate us."

Which members? The slaves, who just want to be safe? The gangsters? or the NCR refugees?

Its not abandoning the mission. Its getting ourselves killed by being a cocksure lunatic.
I'm not suggesting submission. I'm suggesting cooperation. Which is more logical than trying to take down a country sized industrial base alone.
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>>1585814
We might not be able to either...

On that note, should we try and imbibe them with the patriotism of our new nation to stir their creative juices?
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>>1585739
Yes, cause people would just jump at the chance to use WMD's in a world where everything was destroyed by WMD's

Acceptance by the people is important, and risk is always something to be considered.
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>>1585776
That isn't how these weapons work. They must be deployed to have any effect.


I am going to go to sleep. But I will list the weapons I conceived of once more:

1) Kudzu style plant to take over their farm lands. Make it poisonous but processable via our Salient green systems.

2) An infertility virus or chemical. Aerosol, water supply or food supply are all viable delivery methods.

3) Deployment of stealth team members to place mini-nukes onto and into industrial facilities to eliminate them.

4) I swear there were more but I am tired as shit.

>>1585845
The world wasn't destroyed. If it was then we wouldn't be here. Plus people like absolute military power.

Except both statements were made without any sorts of proof beyond the feelings of anons.
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>>1585877
MAD means weapons don't have to be deployed to have affect.

The reason not to use WMD is it makes it a bitch to integrate populations nicely if you fucking murder cities and innocents.

Unless the growth is pretty much uncontrollable, they would be able to handle plants- fire, poison, salt. Whatever they're tech boys come up with. If those thing's can't control it, then its gonna be uncontrollable by us.

Viruses and chemicals that cause infertility won't end a war anytime soon. That shit is for genocide in 50 years time

Stealth teams won't also work because they would start defending them better after the first few. The industry would stumble not fall apart.

The world was absolutely destroyed. That's why there are wastelands and radiation.

what, do you need to be eplicitely told that people don't like using nuclear weapons on neighbouring countries, or that playing with viruses is a risky prospect? Can you not come to your own conclusions?

Also to be considered, is Do you think the NCR doesn't have WMDs? They control all of California.
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>>1585940
>Unless the growth is pretty much uncontrollable, they would be able to handle plants- fire, poison, salt. Whatever they're tech boys come up with.
Invasive species with no natural predators that are highly poisonous are quite quick spreading. Kudzu is a fast growing vine based plant spreading roughly a foot per day in it's common, natural form. Give it a waxy outer skin and it will resist fire and a lack of water far better.

As to using poisons or salt to eliminate it, both of those would do significant damage to the farmland the plant is on, thus achieving the goal of the plant of disrupting agriculture.

>If those thing's can't control it, then its gonna be uncontrollable by us.
That is why I specified it must be reprocessable by the Salient green machines, so we can consume it safely should it become a problem.

>Viruses and chemicals that cause infertility won't end a war anytime soon. That shit is for genocide in 50 years time
It's hardly a genocide if you aren't killing anyone. Plus the effects of eliminating 98% of the fertile people can't be denied. It would render their military in as little as 30 years a far smaller and weaker affair without risking military engagements.

>Stealth teams won't also work because they would start defending them better after the first few. The industry would stumble not fall apart.
That is a lot of facilities to defend, plus do you know how hard it is to defend a location from people trained specifically to sneak in and out equipped with stealth boys and such? Quite.

Also we don't want their industry falling apart, just it failing enough that the Legion can hold their own or even start pressing in further.

>The world was absolutely destroyed. That's why there are wastelands and radiation.
No, destroyed would imply that it was unlivable. Seemingly there are regions that are down right hospitable.

>what, do you need to be eplicitely told that people don't like using nuclear weapons on neighbouring countries, or that playing with viruses is a risky prospect? Can you not come to your own conclusions?
No but I like to have hard facts rather than some annoying cunts feelings on the matter to be entirely frank.

>Also to be considered, is Do you think the NCR doesn't have WMDs? They control all of California.
I am almost entirely certain. Seeing as the majority of stations would have succeeded to launch and the few that failed were probably hit hard. For example anything near the Glow.

Plus if there were any I am certain that the BOS took care of them years ago.
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>>1585994
It would be disruptive, but they would respond with further expansion, especially since they are currently researching the vault 22 tech for massive. It would hurt, but not be a crippling blow.

We would be able to consume it but it would still be an ecological disaster. It would spread and kill everyone else given the time.

Its still genocide if you forcibly sterilize a population. As for making things easier in 30 years, that's true, but it doesn't solve any problems we have today.

Why do we want the legion pressing foreword? how does that benefit us any more than the NCR pressing foreward?

It was destroyed. It just recovered in 200 years. This is a semantics argument anyways. The original point is alot of people died and people won't want to live through it again.

Those aren't very hard assumptions to make.

Also nuking the NCR or legion is super dumb because it deprives us of the territory and the wind will just blow radiation at us.

I would also like hard facts rather than some annoying cunts assumption on the matter.
We know the divide didn't launch all its missiles, and its pretty central- a first strike wouldn't reach it before it launches. Its not an unreasonable assumption that there are other missiles located elsewhere.
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>>1585877

Stealth teams with mini nukes isn't that bad of an idea. Compared to the rest of the list, that seems more of spec ops tactic and less of a WMD considering the actual blast radius of a mini nuke and the initial radiation burst doesn't stay behind for too long (going by game stats, not sure for quest logic)

Ill back that Mr. Anon
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>>1586116
Can we at least try diplomacy before going for sneaky commando stuff?
If we get a no, then we can go at war, but do we want to burn a bridge before we know we can cross it?
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>>1586144
I'm willing to give diplomacy a try, but I'm in favor of staying out of site and building up our army until we level the playing field. Id rather keep the NCR in the dark about us for as long as we can, and have options like these ready to go.

If they we can convince them to leave us alone, or to sign a non aggression pact that would be fine, but I doubt that will roll over well considering the boomers told them we ordered the bombardment of there facilities and civilians. Any diplomacy we enter into will be stained by that.
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>>1586171
I want to stay out of sight as much as possible. I'm just well aware that it won't last forever.

I would rather not get in more fights than we need.
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>>1586183
I think were arguing for the same thing. My proposal is this.

We stay out of sight and out of mind until we cant any longer. In that time we plan on building up our military and planning to take out the NCR in case diplomacy fails.

Then when the NCR inevitably finds us, we attempt our diplomacy. And that either goes well or it doesn't, but in case it doesn't we have already done all of the legwork to deal with them as an enemy.

I think our commandos (whatever were deciding to call them) would be a perfect tool for this, in providing Intel and being in the right place at the right time should we need them.

What do you think?
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>>1586051
>It would be disruptive, but they would respond with further expansion, especially since they are currently researching the vault 22 tech for massive. It would hurt, but not be a crippling blow.
Possibly but I would point out that they wouldn't be able to replace their farming heartland as quickly as it would spread. Causing massive disruptions in food supply and quality for the people.

>We would be able to consume it but it would still be an ecological disaster. It would spread and kill everyone else given the time.
Correct. Which is why we then move back through and eliminate it as we secure their lands.

>Its still genocide if you forcibly sterilize a population. As for making things easier in 30 years, that's true, but it doesn't solve any problems we have today.
I suppose but based off of some real world ethics tests, most people found it morally acceptable to use it as a method of hostile takeover.

>Why do we want the legion pressing foreword? how does that benefit us any more than the NCR pressing foreward?
It means that we don't need to do as much to maintain the balance of power between the two and places more land under the nation we think is going to collapse soon.

>It was destroyed. It just recovered in 200 years. This is a semantics argument anyways. The original point is alot of people died and people won't want to live through it again.
Quite. Which is why we are going to nuke our enemies before they get nukes.

>Those aren't very hard assumptions to make.
Depends on your opinions as to the view of nuclear weapons by a post apocalyptic world.

>Also nuking the NCR or legion is super dumb because it deprives us of the territory and the wind will just blow radiation at us.
Correct. Which is why I have never advocated for anything but the use of tac-nukes.

>We know the divide didn't launch all its missiles, and its pretty central- a first strike wouldn't reach it before it launches. Its not an unreasonable assumption that there are other missiles located elsewhere.
It is however central to the US network and thus would be lightly hit thanks to any A-ICBM measures having the most time to work. Unlike places on the coast where the Chinese had posted fleets of nuclear-missile subs.

>>1586116
Correct.

>>1586144
We can try it so long as they don't gain any idea of where we are.

>>1586220
I find such a thing acceptable. But I would point out a large portion of my plans involve either colonising the divide or fucking off to the mid-west.
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>>1586220
yeah. that's good. I'm not complaining.
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>>1586229
I thought the Divide was too hostile / radiated / deathstormed to settle. Do we have a way around that?
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>>1586250
Yes. Robots and vaults essentially.
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>>1586229
Temporarily, but they would be simultaniously developing additional food production. Disruption may not be as much as you would like.

Eliminating Kudzu is easier said than done. Super Kudzu, more so.

Really? Didn't know. who did the study, If i may ask?

It would collapse soon, but the presidency may also change in the same time frame. As for working for the legion, its very much a deal with the devil in any context.

Point about Anti-ICBM is probably true, but the more important fact is they didn't launch everything, leaving armed ICBM's in silos. If such a thing occurred in a hidden silo in california, then the NCR may have nuclear capability. Its not entirely unlikely.

If the NCR ever encounter us it would be as they look around and stumble upon Newberry, so the mountain would be safe for now.
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>>1586280
would it be possible to research a way to turn the storms on / off?

Turn them off to build / colonise, turn them back on to defend / camouflage?
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>>1586298
There's also marked men we'd need to fight through. Unless Unity assimilates them like the others.
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>>1586295
>Temporarily, but they would be simultaniously developing additional food production. Disruption may not be as much as you would like.
True but ruins their core lands and forces them away. It'll potentially be enough to get them to abandon certain regions which we could then colonise.

>Eliminating Kudzu is easier said than done. Super Kudzu, more so.
That is why you give it some sort of weakness that only you could exploit like, for example, a highly engineered fungal infection to eliminate the plant.

>Really? Didn't know. who did the study, If i may ask?
I did the study, I proposed a simple question to roughly 8 people I know: if you wished to take over another nation but weren't able to do it militarily because the other nation was stronger but you could render them infertile and passive absorb their nation without risk, would you?

Overwhelmingly most were in support with all those against it seemingly changing sides given enough time to think. However it has been a few days since I got the results and I am currently on hour 21 of being awake I think...so my facts are slipping out my head alongside my spelling ability.

>It would collapse soon, but the presidency may also change in the same time frame. As for working for the legion, its very much a deal with the devil in any context.
True but one is a certainty the other is a potential. Also such logic works against you since it was an argument for not assassinating him that his replacement would be just as strong.

>Point about Anti-ICBM is probably true, but the more important fact is they didn't launch everything, leaving armed ICBM's in silos. If such a thing occurred in a hidden silo in california, then the NCR may have nuclear capability. Its not entirely unlikely.
Quite possibly but I get the feeling the BOS would have used or disabled such a thing long ago.

>If the NCR ever encounter us it would be as they look around and stumble upon Newberry, so the mountain would be safe for now.
That is fine then.

>>1586298
Sadly no which is why the first wave or two will be entirely robots, followed by Rad suit humans and then we avoid the surface as much as possible.
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>>1586319
I completely forgot about those assholes. Them and there rocket launchers.
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>>1586319
I think if we take ourselves and a few of the other radiation resistant companions, we could clear out a fair portion of the Marked Men without the help of our robots.

>>1586339
That is the great thing about robot armies though, they don't need to be trained or raised or recruited. Just built, be it from raw or recycled materials.
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>>1586337
eh. maybe.

As for anti-superkudzu, if anything mutates in all the radiation,or the fungus mutates we might have a catastrophy on our hands.

8 people is not that many for a study. You can't really take the results as fact. Especially if they are from one or two social groups.

I guess. but dealing with the legion won't go well with the people.

Maybe. Maybe not. We can't know if the BOS did or did not disable nukes, or even if they knew of nukes. But we have to recognize its a possibility that the NCR has them.
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>>1586350
I suppose so but with questions of Ethics like this it is a far more reliable thing.


I also asked one of my professors, a fairly smart guy, and he also thought it was the more moral of the two choices. He is a politically very different individual from me so I would consider him a decent proof of variety.
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Good morning!

Time to start updating.
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>>1586634
Question. Do we have a boon?
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>>1585441
You gather all the resources at your disposal for this. You, your Brain, Gabriel's Brain, your scientists and engineers and companions, even the Think Tank. This technology is the future, and what better place to start than here.

You even pull out one of your hidden cache's of hyper advanced science materials!

You have only one Sierra Madre Vending Machine right now, so you'll need to spend it wisely. After this, it may be difficult to further research until you happen to find another boon of materials or get another machine.

CHOOSE
>Make More Vending Machines - We should focus on building more of the machines as is. The replica machines may not be as reliable for research purposes, but should function the same and also open up the bottleneck. And in the least, it means we have more parts for future research that aren't from the Sierra Madre, even if they aren't as efficient.
>Easier Interface - We don't need to be spending hours and days making coins AND putting in coins of fissile materials into the machine. Lets figure out how to program it to accept larger ingots and churn out several products at a time.
>More Conventional Products - The type of products we can make are limited http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sierra_Madre_vending_machine. Let's expand this to a much wider variety of items such as clothing, standard ammunition types (including energy), medicines, small-medium weapon parts, armor, etc.
>Make it Bigger - If we make it bigger we can make much bigger things that normally wouldn't fit in it. Like parts for heavy weapons and such.

BOON RESEARCH
>Non-Fissile Materials! - If we spend most of our alien parts, we can figure out a way to hook up a disintegrator to this device. Then we no longer have to rely on hard to get radioactive isotopes. We can just expend energy instead and feed it normal metals!
>Alien Parts! - If we spend most of our alien parts, we can figure out how to replicate more alien parts! Such as the fabled alien energy cells and alien power modules, and parts for their various weapons. This will make alien weapons research easier.
>Mini Nukes! - Mini Nukes! (you just can't make these!)
>Very Specific Scientific Research - We can put this toward a very specific research for a huge boon on it and its various branches. Like neurology and mind control for example.
>Other? Opened up by Boon.
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>>1585435
Training goes well, just enough to keep the men in shape and turn a few more recruits into regular soldiers. It will go far better when the Military HQ is complete!

Meanwhile, a Banana Yucatta farm is constructed in Newberry Springs. This will provide food which can then be made into fuel.
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>tfw full of energy and vigor in the morning
>but its a terrible time cause most anons should be sleeping
>Afternoon and anons are arrived
>low energy from the end of the day
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>>1586668
>make more for research
>very specific scientific research -- learning how to make better replicas from just one perfect model

this seems like the best course of action. we can develop them more later, but if we can just make better vending machines without returning to the sierra madre we're golden

(have we already moved the sierra madre vending machine from the abandoned bos bunker in the mojave? is that the one we already have?)
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>>1586744
Yes, this is the one you have.
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>>1586744
ill support this.
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how are you today op?
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>Meanwhile

The air is still, not even a light breeze. The sun is shining.

The assembled mass of power armored soldiers, of scribes, of men and women is quiet, save for the hum of electronics and the creaking of metal.

All stare up at the raised platform, the brotherhood flag behind it and the assembled Sentinels and Paladins. The head scribe walks forward, bearing on a pillow a crown of polished steel and iron.

And there, sitting on a forged throne, a young man in his prime sits before them all. Ready to fulfill a destiny he knew he had been born into.

The Scribe walks up to him, and places the crown upon his head. A sentinel steps forward, and shouts at the top of his voice for all to hear.

"Behold your King and Heir, to the Throne of the Kingdom of Steel!"

And from the crowd, a reply resounds from all those assembled.

"YES"

"YES"

"YES"

The Sentinel shouts again.

"Long live the King, in prosperity."

And the crowd replies.

"Long live the King! Long live the King! Long live the King!"
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>>1586768
Pretty good. Its sunday, and fathers day. Spent some time with my dad. Hoping other anon's do and also show up cause right now I'm full of updating energy.

I always just need 3 votes for any action to get through, but usually I'm waiting on something that has 2 instead.
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>>1586771
king? not elder?

oh boy, the brotherhood must be adopting some strange new policies
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>>1586668
Vote >>1586744
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>>1586744
[LOCKED]
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>>1586780
Could work to our favour, assuming we can seduce him or his heir we can then take control over them without any sort of war.
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>>1586786
bit gay tbqhwyf
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>>1586790
we probably have that perk.
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question. Since my Id likes to bounce around all the time, Should I pick up a name, or just not worry about it?
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>>1586798
Nah, its cool. I only need post IDs for voting purposes.
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>>1586790
Hey we are on 4chan, at least two of us has to be a faggot of some sort.

Also we can just kill him once we have married him assuming he has no heir.
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>>1586801
I'll only agree to this plan if he is a qt.13 femboi and we wear socks during sex that way it's not gay
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>>1586804
He is currently a pubescent boy. So probably.
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>>1586811
little bit creepy if I am entirely honest mi amore
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>>1586744
You truly believe that making more of the Vending machines is the first and most important step. But its not enough to simply replicate the process, you want to actually understand it at a fundamental level to replicate it completely.

Therein lies the problem. BigMT doesn't have the intact blueprints because the facility was blown up. You have to meticululously take it apart piece by piece, and figure out how it works. This is quite dangerous due to the radiation hazard, even for yourself, so you have your most radiation resistant companions help you with this.

With time and effort, you and the Think Tank piece together and remember how it works. The only problem is, these were made with advanced alloys and materials that are very difficult to get in the Post Apocalypse, leaving you stumped.

Its then it strikes you. What if you scanned each individual part, and then, had the vending machine itself replicate them! And that is exactly what you do. Every little element is precisely scanned and calibrated and recorded, taking a process of many many weeks, until you're sure you have everything down. Then you reassemble the machine, following by a lengthy reprogramming of it to produce the parts.

And a miracle. You begin replicating the parts!

You have to scrap the old irradiated water tank and some steel for this. Some of these rare elements are hard to produce. But you make it so.

And success. You have an exact, working copy of a Sierra Madre Vending Machine. All for the price of 2000 Chips.
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>>1586804
Yeah, he grows up into the sweet hunk of man we see in fallout4, so its probably gonna be regular gay.
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>>1586823
ha that's great, we can make more vending machines with vending machines. this worked out great
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>>1586825
disappointing I vote we research hormone therapy for next civ action start slipping estrogen into the water supply
Turn the frickin frogs gay
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>>1586822
Well, to be frank, if we are just going to kill him after a few days does it really matter?


Also the standards of the post apocalypse are very different.


>>1586823
Welp, now we just purchase nuclear waste / irradiated regions off of the NCR and process them for materials.


Actually, if we can get to the Pitt. Then we can take advantage of the hugely irradiated river as a fuel source.
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>>1586823
Hot Dam, were in business!!
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>>1586831
I am not gonna moralfag it just seems kinda fucky to marry and then murder a teenage boy for our own personal gain
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>>1586837
Besides, its not like you guys are marrying anyone. Not even the actual mother(s) of your children.
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Okay so I hope you realise what this means?


We can use this to convert irradiated water into ordinary water. We can, if we create the right kind of robot, use this to process huge regions


>>1586837
Hey it worked for the various monarchies of Europe for a fair bit of time. Plus it's for the greater good. Everything I propose, is for the greater good.


>>1586840
True but we will make good women out of them. Repeatedly. In fact if we keep it up we may be the majority of the nation's population growth for quite some time.
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>>1586840
Can we check to see which ones are pregnant? Like scan em in the autodoc?
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>>1586842
Yes. Just vote to say so as a free action.
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>>1586845
Check. That way we know who else we need to work on.
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>>1586841
Ehhhh, I wouldn't go so far as to say irradiated water.

It has to be fissile materials or previously fissile materials, like old Fission Batteries. Nuclear Fuel Rods would be like gold ingots for you guys. Depleted Nuclear Fuel Rods would be like silver.
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>>1586841
Should we just change our name to Mohammed and go full Qua'ran on the wasteland?
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>>1586850
Think courier would still work, we after all are delivering a message.

Were great at sex.
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>>1586849
Ah but for something to irradiate, it must contain a unstable material / isotope of some sort. True we'd need a further upgrade to allow it to capture the materials for example but that is just another boon away so at most, a few more threads and that is something we could have.

Still it's not like I expect much material, a dozens litres to a few grams at the very most. But if you are using it to purify your water supply as well as extract material, it becomes quite worthwhile. Especially if you have it passively extracting and just occasionally take the gathered fuel.


>>1586850
I prefer to think of it like the Chinese method: fuck with everyone and no one will fuck with you. If everyone is in love with us, then no one will be at war with us.
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>>1586861
>>1586865
Lads on the topic of the religion of """""Peace""""" what should we set as our state religion I get the feeling you guys wanna be secularized but religious fanatics are way more willing to throw themselves at the enemy than regular people the promises of an afterlife if you sacrifice yourself for the Cause
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>>1586876
Secularised. Because I don't want to be a high tech legion.
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>>1586879
but that's no fun
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>>1586879
I gotta agree with this anon.
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>>1586895
>not wanting our own version of Christianity but with a slightly modified view on killing and war
Feckin' heathens
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>>1586876
Yeah, lets stay secular.
Its more inlie with what we want to create, and its not like were throwing that many bodies at the enemy. Robots dont believe in the afterlife.
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>>1586900
But by preaching the word of god we can promote Charity and make people afraid of hell so they don't commit crime as much
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>>1586904
We can do that anyways without the religion though.
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The only reason I would accept any sort of Christianity is because it would make it easier to absorb the Mormon's that the Joshua was a member of.
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>>1586848
>>1586842
You ask the Auto-Doc for options to test for pregnancies. It's only the second month in since the party, so nothing is definitive yet but he passes you standard pregnancy tests.

First of all you ask Unity, who doesn't need it as says she just "knows" she's not pregnant.

Next is Cass, whom you find at Dr. Dala's house, who tells you to piss off. What concerns you is she's drinking, and you threaten to take away her alcohol. She's almost ready to shoot you buy eyes the securitrons outside. She takes it and shows up negative. "And I had my period, asshole."

Mercifully Hazel, who also takes to drink, shows negative too.

Then you go to Veronica. She confirms she missed her period. And when she takes the test, her hands shake. . .it comes up positive. "Well. . .shit. I wasn't expecting that. Oh man. . ."

Wendy Gilbert also says she missed her period, and her eyes go wide as she shows up positive too. "I better get paid in more rations for this."

Vanessa also shows up as positive. "Oh damn, you're not going to ask me to give up drinking right? Please? . . . aw fucknuggets."

Joana is negative. "Unlike the rest of you I'm a bit more familiar with being drugged out of my skull and horny as hell. So I made sure you didn't try anything risky."

Sonia is positive. As you find her tweaking on her radioactive weapons. "Wait are you saying I can't work on these anymore? For Nine Months! What a fucking load of brahmin shit is this"

Dandan is positive and swears in Chinese rather fast paced.

Then she asks you a very serious question. "In our culture it is a great shame to bear the child of one who does not marry you.

I. . .I want to know if you will take responsibility for this."
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>>1586908
And I suppose we could also take a shit and not wipe our arse
>>1586914
so long as you accept it I don't mind
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>>1586917
Marry her but only if she converts to New Catholicism
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>>1586917
"I understand Dandan and I can agree to such a thing if it makes you feel better but I hope you understand the precise nature of what a relationship would be between us?

I'm not going to stop seeing Unity or any of my other Companions. Mostly because quite a few of them are also pregnant and thus need me too but also because it would be kinda a dick move.

However I am entirely willing to take part in such a ceremony. It would also do good for linking our two people together."
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>>1586920
She's a communist. They don't do religion.
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>>1586928
This is America dammit she'll pick a flavor of Christianity then put on her Blue jeans and put her baby on a leash and if some fucker from new reno attacks our towers well bomb the legion to show them we mean business
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>>1586928
on a serious note though I vote marry regardless of any other factors
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>>1586933
...As much as I enjoy the stereotype of america as a dysfunctional nation with big guns, I don't want to do that to the cute Chinese girl.
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>>1586918
I thunk we can get things done without reinserting a national religion into the mix. People can be taught to be good people without the fear of hellfire.

But if anons disagree then that's up to them. I'm not going to turn this into a huge argument.
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>>1586935
meet me half-way do what we did in Ireland before Vatican II and raise the baby Catholic regardless
>>1586938
I just think it would be fun to have a religion to play around with don't forget it was the pope who payed for a lot of art during the Renaissance
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>>1586940
The pope payed because he had super wealth. Alot of lords and dukes also payed for art. It was less about religion and more about wealth
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how about we just go with the "good old boys" approach to religion? we could instate a state religion without really enforcing it. maybe just classic, good ol' christianity so people can have religious values, but we won't really enforce any of the fire and brimstone parts. the idea would just be to establish strong moral values in our community
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>>1586955
No.
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>>1586948
Look at the history of Christianity we can get those dirty pagans to see the light of god and if you've ever thumbed through the bible it's a nook that preaches egalitarianism we might be able to use that to convince some of the slaves who weren't broken in since birth to rise up just by spreading the message
>>1586955
I am okay with this so long as we build cathedrals to look cool that's my main motivation behind the religion thing
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>>1586962
why no? Sounds good to me.
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>>1586964
*book
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>>1586964
>Look at the history of Christianity we can get those dirty pagans to see the light of god
True but there were also all those times the pagans killed the Christians.

>if you've ever thumbed through the bible it's a nook that preaches egalitarianism we might be able to use that to convince some of the slaves who weren't broken in since birth to rise up just by spreading the message
They broke our current slave in five years. They don't need long.

>>1586967
The prime reason for having a religion is to make our army fight harder and to make our people more similar morally and socially. Unless it is heavily enforced / commonly a part of our civilisation it loses most effectiveness.
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Op is there a stigma against marrying multiple people?
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>>1586972
Robots fight our wars, so religion plays little part in that. As for making people more similiar morally, encouraging virtue serves the purpose without the need of punishing vice.
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>>1586972
fair point on both accounts but even if the pagans attack them we just need a sizable christian minority to sow dissent most Christians in ancient Rome were secret Christians and even if we only get a few slaves to revolt thats still a start
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>>1586917
Im fine with marrying he woman, but that will seem unfair to all the other girls we got pregnant.

Marry Her and Unity? Plus anyone else we knocked up that wants to?
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>>1587010
Well then it becomes a question of how our people feel about our half dozen wives.
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>>1586298
Possibly, i recall QM mentioning the Meteorological station could do that.
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>>1586850
fuck no, we are going the true religion of orthodox Christianity.
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>>1587038
Catholicism, with lutheran elements. Its more flexible. Better to be put to use.
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>>1587044
>tainting gods words with Luther
Crusader version of Catholicism
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>>1587044
But muh holy orthodox church!
We can just convert to whichever branch of christianity the pastor in cryostasis if we can't agree on a denomination?
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Oh great, i'm starting to miss the southern cross civ again.
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>>1587057
Luthor was right. He had legitimate criticisms of a flawed establishment.
He wanted religion something you choose rather than something your birn into.
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>>1587079
I didn't criticize luther, i just said i want the orthodox church.
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>>1587081
Orthodox is the church of the priests.
Lutheranism is the church of the people.
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>>1587084
Fine I'll agree to Catholicism with Lutheran elements
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>>1587084
>Orthodox is the church of the priests.
And? Priests are good as long as they aren't corrupted Catholics.
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>>1587090
>corrupted Catholics
watch your mouth you fucking heretic
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>>1587095
>Pointing out corrupt Catholics is heretical.
If you truly are a christian you would not tolerate the smallest of church corruption.
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>>1587099
The way you phrased it made it sound like being catholic was equivalent to being corrupt which is false
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>>1587099
Then luthor was a superior true christian than most.
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>>1587100
Ah, my apologies.
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Back from a barbecue.

>>1586980
>Robots fight our wars, so religion plays little part in that. As for making people more similiar morally, encouraging virtue serves the purpose without the need of punishing vice.
Correct as to the war thing and the morality.

>>1586985
>fair point on both accounts but even if the pagans attack them we just need a sizable christian minority to sow dissent most Christians in ancient Rome were secret Christians and even if we only get a few slaves to revolt thats still a start
True but such things will take too much time to set up for it to help us in the immediate future.


Also your church / sect discussions are amazing to watch as someone who doesn't do the whole religion thing. Luthor sounds like a great guy.
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>>1587107
I actually barely know about Christians denomination and history, I'm interested in learning however.
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Also two questions:

1) Are we sitting on any boons

2) Can we add more robots to Brain's control network? For example if we were to go into the Divide could we add all of the Eye-bots you find under his control or would we need to add a part or something?
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>>1587107
We just have to designate some people as missionaries its not really about spreading religion just undermining the power of Ceaser to weaken the legion
also I am actually agnostic but it's Ireland and until I pick a college I've always gone to Catholic schools so I'm pretty apprehensive towards anything protestant but Luther's ideas on the power of the church are OK I guess
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>>1587119
I believe we had 2, one from archiving 5 threads and 1 from the flag art.
We of course spent one on Vending machines so now we should have 1.
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By the way this is one of the best Christian songs i have ever heard and i'd like to share it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQAgrCuKwPc
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>>1587123
I feel so sorry for you. Ireland is a...interesting nation when it comes to religious ideas and shit. Very conservative in regards to many things for such a modern, western nation which I suppose you could argue is a benefit.

>>1587124
Good to know.
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>>1587129
It reminds me of the Halo menu music but more feminine and...almost remorseful in a way. Hauntingly beautiful song.


Fuck it, we are adding singing into our national education. I don't care if it is effectively useless, we have to be able to do this sort of thing for the good of humanity.
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>>1587131
desu Ireland nowadays is a lot different from what it was a couple of years ago its more or less a-political or close to sjw but the government is trying to take schools away from the church which is a big fuck up cause frankly I wouldn't trust those cunts to wipe their arsehole
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>>1587136
choir practice
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>>1587146
Well that is a shame. Ireland was the hold-out nation for the Church's conventional control over the people.

Also you are right, the government will fuck up education. Like they have in pasted fucked it up here in the UK. Plus it loses out on any funding and support the church was providing.
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>>1587151
Doesn't even need to be that, just knowing song lyrics is enough if everyone knows them. Since the harmony of human voices is enhanced by their number, even if each singer is quite bad they cover for each other and produce a far better sound.
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>>1587152
I know what you mean man they call them educate together schools desu the autism ward in my secondary school was more strict than those shitholes
>>1587157
I just thought of choir practice as getting your hooks in early is the key to any successful religion
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>>1587163
If we get them doing choir practice for religion we can get them to also sing patriotic songs like "america the beautiful" and "battle hyymn of the republic" which would be good for morale
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>>1587163
>I know what you mean man they call them educate together schools desu the autism ward in my secondary school was more strict than those shitholes
That is the dumbest name I have ever heard of. We just called them non-denominational schools and called it a day...before still doing Christmas, Easter and other such religious celebrations in school. For some reason, fuck if I know.

>I just thought of choir practice as getting your hooks in early is the key to any successful religion
Oh yeah, same method as getting people into your products. You start early and build up a subconscious relationship in their mind that benefits you.
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>>1587182
noice
>>1587187
also make sure to check out what the anon I referenced above said
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OP are you still there?
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Back
>>1586974
Yes but it varies.

For example in the NCR you would not get arrested for simply having multiple wives, but all government officials were not permitted to license polygamous marriages and to do so WOULD be illegal. Hence you would have to claim you were married out of country or in "tribal marriage" by a shaman or such. Or just bullshit that you are. Its something of a centuries old debate anyway.

In the Legion its expicitly forbidden, you can only have one wife. But they allow concubines and you can have up to two slave concubines without having a wife as well as having free women live in your home. You can't exactly flaunt having lots of free women in your home though, or you risk the wroth of the Legion for being a literal degenerate.

That being said without government institution in the vast majority of places marriage has become a very informal thing, if you say you are married to someone they usually believe you.

Its not rare to meet a guy with a gun who knows how to fight and protect with more than one woman living in his home. You do that technically. Its not often they say they are married though.

The Chinese certainly don't practice it, but then you are a foreign devil and its a bit like the Emperors of Myth who had many wives they suppose.
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>>1587019
Most people would be a little odded out but just shrug their shoulders and carry on. You're an eccentric anyway, plus you're the big boss.

>>1587010
Currently only Dandan has requested to marry you.

The rest are more concerned with what any pregnant woman in the wasteland are. We'll get more food and you'll give us stuff to take care of our baby right? None of them were planning on becoming pregnant.

Unity is fine with your arrangement now, she prefers a father for her child over a husband but is willing to marry you too if thats what you want.

You suspect it would be an intense Faux Pas to have anything like a multiple wedding though.


>>1586926
She is clearly a little bit dissapointed in this, but she understands. It would preserve her honour, and he is a foreigner after all so his customs must be different.

---

CONFIRM?
>Y/N
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>>1587397
To be honest by far the biggest place where government recognized marriage is coming back is the Legion. Being someone's wife affords you certain legal privileges and protections, and providing a son to the legion provides additional boons and incentives and is seen as a great honor.
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>>>>>Food: Below Average (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Water: Low (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Average) Special Electronics (Small) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Low) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)
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>>1587430
Have the marriage, as long as its open.

We could offer abortions if anyone really doesnt want a baby. The autodoc would make it low fuss, especially how early we are.
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---TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm (Small). Banana Yucata (Small)
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: High
Permanent: Patriotism (Slight - Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
!NEW!
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Military HQ/Barracks (Great){NEEDS MORE ACTIONS}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few)
Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course
>>
---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: High
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+16 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
!NEW!
+3 Young Brahmin

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 59
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>>1587430
I'll confirm for open marriage.
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>>1587430
>Y
>Tell her we're sorry but... We live life like we're all gonna die the next day and then knock her up.
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>>1587462
Let's not, we need the Pop growth.
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>>1587487
Why not mix of both. Offer them to those that want it, but throw in incentives for birth.
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Rolled 34 (1d100)

>>1587469
>Hero
Research the Meteorological station.
>Civ
Research the Meteorological station.
>Construction.
Expand the Hemp farms, we need fuel.
>Military.
Continue training.
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>>1587494
I would only offer abortion to those that have been raped or are in danger of death due to the fetus.
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>>1587494
>A little while ago we were thinking of bringing in a new version of Christianity for the nation
>Now it's free abortions
Almost makes me wish the legion would win tbqwymdf
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>>1587496
*Expand the small hemp farm in Newberry.
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>>1587494
>>1587499
You would basically be reintroducing abortion.

Abortion is a much bigger stigma and seen as morally wrong, especially the Legion.

But then there are very few doctors willing to train themselves to abort a fetus and therefore its almost never done anyway, because nobody knows how and it could kill someone.
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>>1587513
If its that big of a stigma / problem then ill rescind my suggestion.

New question. Did we finish our military construction from last turn or is it still halfway done?
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>>1587523
The Military HQ? Still halfway done and i don't want to continue it yet since it used up a lot of water.
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>>1587513
If its a stigma because it goes wrong often, wouldnt being able to do it right help reduce the stigma?

If we want a culture of individual autonomy, bodily control would be a part of it.
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>>1587532
Nah let's not legalize casual abortion, only if the woman has been raped or the woman's life is at a risk.
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>>1587532
Its a stigma because medical ethics aren't a thing and fetuses are seen as babies.

So its like killing a baby. As well as wasteful surgery. If you really want to abandon a child, just birth it and give it away . . .or abandon it.
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Rolled 78 (1d100)

>>1587469
>Hero - Wedding?
>Construction - finish military HQ/base?
>Civ - Get more hexcrete and also work on an apartment complex for them?
>Mil - Train and get the joint opertions and language's down with Our forces and chinese so they work togeather much better

>>1587513
No fucking Abortions. We need the manpower.
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>>1587542
I'll support. Making sure we keep an eye on our water level.
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>>1587542
DO NOT continue construction of the military HQ, it took a lot of water and we need to recover first.
I also must insist we research the Meteorological station so we can stop any of Elijah's sierra clouds from killing lots of people.
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>>1587549
>Brain
"Why not start collecting water from Newberry Springs?"
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>>1587552
Aw shit i was assuming we were already doing that.
Alright i'll change the construction action here >>1587496
>Construction - finish military HQ/base
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>>1587552
That's not a bad idea . Thank you brain.
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>>1587564
>>1587561
>Brain
"You're either going to need to do actions to directly boost your water supply via convoy, or build up that pipeline."
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>>1587572
Ah, then switch back to
>Expand the small hemp farm in Newberry.
With this we can have fuel for transport trucks and can begin moving things between our Outposts.
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>>1587572
QM, If you water cemete. It doesn't harden senpai.
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>>1587572
Here is the modified course of action I supply for discussion.


>Hero
Wedding and meeting her family / getting their approval.

>Construction
Start on the pipeline to the Boxcars from Newberry springs.

>Civilian
Get more hexcrete and start preparing stuff for the pipeline on the Boxcar end.

>Military
Train joint operations and languages between our forces and Chinese so they work together better
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>>1587596
No pipeline, it's expensive and takes to long, instead expand the hemp farms and use trucks to ferry water.
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Changing my vote in support of >>1587596
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>>1587596
And this action still doesn't have meteorological research.
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>>1587596
>Build a giant pipeline for anybody to follow
>to our unprepared base of living.

Fuck let's just hang a god damn sign that states 'fresh meat'
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>>1587596
change pipeline to collect water
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>>1587615
This too.
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Guys, why not just build an underground pipeline
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>>1587602
I'd like to know from OP how long it would take but I suppose you are correct. However I see no reason for expanding the Hemp farms at the Boxcars rather than setting up new ones in Newberry springs since they have water.

>>1587613
I understand your point but we can't just sit here researching. We need to expand and enhance our industry and agriculture.

>>1587615
>Fuck let's just hang a god damn sign that states 'fresh meat'
Well how in the fuck do you plan on getting a reliable supply of water to the Boxcars for further expansion without constantly supplying more via convoys which cost valuable fuel and units?

Also, the Boxcar's population is heavily trained in military affairs and very well armed.

Not to mention the fact that few people are in this region.


But fine since apparently my ideas are shit:

>Hero
Wedding and meeting her family / getting their approval. If we have the time help the civilian action.

>Construction
Create new farms in Newberry springs and shit to take advantage of the water there.

>Civilian
Research the meteorological shit.

>Military
Train joint operations and languages between our forces and Chinese so they work together better


>>1587632
Because apparently we are going to need a pump station every three meters if you believe some people.
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>>1587632
Very intensive material and labour wise.
The dug up earth still serves as a trail to follow.
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>>1587632
Takes time to construct the pipes, dig, assemble the pipes and build pumps.
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>>1587635
>I'd like to know from OP how long it would take but I suppose you are correct. However I see no reason for expanding the Hemp farms at the Boxcars rather than setting up new ones in Newberry springs since they have water.
I said i wanted to expand the Newberry hemp farm >>1587505
>I understand your point but we can't just sit here researching. We need to expand and enhance our industry and agriculture.
Yes we can and i point out i'm still building something in my action.
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>>1587636
We are in a region which has a surface layer of sand and other such material. Given a few days and a bit of wind there will be little signs of digging.

As to the intensity of the labour and material cost, no more materials are needed than a surface pipeline and in regards to labour we have mining robots of good quality so so long as we have fuel we can easily dig out the path.
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>>1587635
Milita is not military senpai.
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>>1587635
How far is newberry and the mountain?

We may need 1 or 2 pump stations, not including the rather large pump we would need at newberry.
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>>1587596
I vote this
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>>1587469
changing this >>1587542 too >>1587635
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>>1587635
I'll support this action.
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It appears we're tied
>>1587596
>>1587605
>>1587651

>>1587635
>>1587655
>>1587656
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>>1587662
No, you linked 1 anon twice. Even though I don't agree, the second option has more votes.
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>>1587662
i vote>>1587635
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>>1587635
>I'd like to know from OP how long it would take
At least one succesful construction action, a few more perhaps depends on the rolls.
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>>1587662
First one of the first option is the guy who changed to the first of the second option.
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>>1587672
Oh right, my mistake.
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>>1587635
Seems this is it.

Anon's give me 1d100s I need three!
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Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>1587723
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>>1587723
my roll was here >>1587542
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Rolled 70 (1d100)

>>1587723
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>>1587542
>>1587635
Writing
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>>1587636
>The dug up earth still serves as a trail to follow.
Aren't we going to cover that up once we finish construction? It's like not like we'd try making all of our works look like a recent construction site.
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>>1587747
Do you not know how easy it is to see turned over soil compared to normal soil?
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>>1587750
>>1587648
There's still the points mentioned in his post.
It's not like we won't be patrolling around the area for a bit to secure it. How long do you suppose it'll take to look normal?
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>>1587649
Yes it is. Read the stats on the Boxcars region: there are 179 humans there and of those 141 are either militia, child soldiers or our actual infantry. Plus the 40 supermutants and nightkin. And the various robots numbering roughly 200.

Anything that might find them isn't gonna fuck with them.

>>1587650
Dunno.


Also thanks to everyone who supported my plan, I hope that this leads to great things for our people!
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>>1587755
Would take a while. Everything here is very compact and hard- it would look like we tilled a line from newberry to the mountain
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>>1587780
>militias actual infantry
>Children soldiers are actual infantry

Do you think anybody with a gun is a fully trained soldier? They can all fire a gun you're right. But they don't have the training a REAL military drilled soldier would have.
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>>1587786
Assuming we don't get something really heavy to compact it.


You know, like a mining droid or a few dozen Securitrons transporting materials and such.
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>>1587791
Our militia are highly trained, roughly equal to a NCR recruit from what I remember OP saying.

As to the child soldiers, a fair few of them have actual combat experience and were from a mod. The rest are fodder.

Also, you completely ignore the fact that in a defensive battle all you really need to be able to do is not shit yourself and shoot straight.
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>>1587795
Wed need veey heavy, like fullblown excavators. 10 tons. Securitrons probably are 1 or 2
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>>1587800
I wouldn't call that highly trained. Id just say they've mostly seen battle.

The NCR does try to send in actual troopers as much as they send in raw recruits.
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>>1587802
Not really. We just need to make it look somewhat flat. So having a few Securitrons walk backwards and forwards repeatedly over it carrying a boxcar filled with heavy shit for extra weight.
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>>1587802
>Securitrons probably are 1 or 2
Each or per group of X of them?
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>>1587807
It is highly trained when you consider they aren't meant to be our actual military and that they are simply just our people.
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>>1587814
Fair enough.
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>>1587809
It might still look different its possible soil composition changes after 1 foot or so, which would make the colours or texture different
Also physically compacted soil looks different from untilled soil.
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>>1587814
Not really, 99% of wasterlanders would've seen combat in some fashion. As I said, knowing how to shoot isn't the same as infantry knowing combat tactics and shit.
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>>1587822
True but we just need it to look similar enough that when covered with a layer of sand it's hard to notice the difference.


Also we could just take the spare earth and pile it up somewhere.

>>1587823
Why don't we ask OP?


Hey OP, compared to the average wastelander and raider, how good are our Militia?
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>>1587838
You're not getting my point mate. Milita is a different type of armed person, They are a stop-gap and even if you go 'oh well they saw battle' They are still lack luster when it comes to REAL military actions.
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>>1587847
That depends on what we have trained them in and shit. Again, I would prefer to hear from OP.
Also I'd point out that Militia is a concept, nowhere is it stated they have to be a stop-gap measure or worse than actual troops.
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>>1587838
>Hey OP, compared to the average wastelander and raider, how good are our Militia?
Pretty damn good.

They're well armed, have the leadership of actual combat veterans and officers trained by Enclave soldiers, and morale is high thanks to the robots you have.

>>1587847
And yeah.

But lack of warfare experience is a thing that plagues even the NCR's fresh recruits, which they do their best to stamp out by constant endless training.

The Legion has a different approach, much more violent, and so their training is superior to you both as is their discipline and moral.
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>>1587847
Also where in the hell did I imply that they would be used for real military actions?


We are talking about a location, where they live, coming under attack.
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>>1587862
Would having the holotraining help?
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>>1587862
>The Legion has a different approach, much more violent, and so their training is superior to you both as is their discipline and moral.
Only problem is their recruits literally have attrition rates.
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>>1587869
Yeah recruits are given a machete and a slap on the butt, and if they return they get a caravan shotgun. They probably have the highest casualty rate in the legion.
>>
Which reminds me. We should develop taser bullets or something of the sort. Maybe a stunning laser rifle?


That way our troops can fight each other in training with their guns without dying and shit. Plus we gain something useful for policing actions and shit.
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>>1587895
We should have the compliance regulator.
Woont be too hard to mass produce them.
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>>1587868
>>1587895
>Maybe a stunning laser rifle?
If it's too expensive, modify the laser to be more like a laser tag module?
>>1587927
Could work.
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>>1587927
...Is it wrong I want to use that against the Legion? Literally just enslave them all and stare Ceaser in the eye laughing?
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>>1587895
>>1587927
Ill support this. But we need a Rifle option if we are going to we them for training.
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>>1587940
Possibly, hell could even just go with something like a paint gun if we need to be cheap.

>>1587949
It's more so about getting them "combat" experience but yeah that would be smart.
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>>1587945
Its vindicative, yes, and a little wrong.
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>>1587961
Hey we don't keep them enslaved forever. Just until we figure out a way to break their conditioning or get Ceaser to obey us.
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>>1587957
>Possibly, hell could even just go with something like a paint gun if we need to be cheap.
If we really want to go cheap, make some airsoft or BB pellets for all those Hunting Rifles or Varmint Rifles that was initially proposed as our stock weapons back in Cottonwood Cove.
Are we still using conventional firearms as our starting gear for recruits, or have we switched to laser/plasma weapons now?
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>>1587980
Conventional weapons thanks to ease of maintenance, familiarity and ease of production of them and their ammo.
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>>1587968
more flies with honey, We should first see how many legionares we can turn by being compassionate, rather than basically doing a "How do you like it now"
Cesear should probably have a very public excecution, as should Lalnius.
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>>1587992
True but they are very heavily indoctrinated.
>>
Seems a bit early for everyone to have clocked off but no discussion is occurring. In saying that it has been a slow day...
>>
Yeah, sorry its the afternoon and I have some last minute homework to do. Where as this morning I was mostly free.

Still here tho
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>>1588069
Good to know.
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>>1587868
Developing a holotraining program for certain skills would be very helpful.
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>>1588121
How easily could it be done?
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>>1588125
Would take some research then construction, but its within your current abilities.
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>>1588125
I recall there was a guy with some holotapes and headphones among the Cryostatis, he could be valuable for this.
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>>1587635
The Banana Yucatta farms of Newberry Springs are expanded.

However there is a lack of manpower available to man the expanded farms.

You could solve this buy building more houses for humans, or perhaps, a the Brian suggests, developing agriculture robots.

---

You begin pre-liminary Chinese English lessons. The Followers and Arcade help here, themselves being decently proficient after much interaction, although for most of your military and theirs it is somewhat difficult.

The Brain believes maybe here is a good chance to experiment with VR lessons.
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>>1588130
How safe would they be for the users?

How expensive to produce the simulators?

Would we be able to fuse multiple holo-sim units into the same simulation?

How fast would time pass inside compared to the real world?

Would they be able to learn any skill we design a simulation for?

How hard would it be to make a simulation?

Would they be power-intensive?
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>>1588130
Can't we just develop and install the necessary software in teh Chinese sims?
An english language pack and such?
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>>1588162
>How safe would they be for the users?
Gonna need some trial and error, luckily you have existing examples to work from and most likely the safest thing would be supervision.

It comes in two versions. The more common pod in which the person is immobilized and their mind hooked up to a simulation, or the singular case of the BigMT's "Walking" simulation room.

>How expensive to produce the simulators?
Lots of electronics parts no doubt

>Would we be able to fuse multiple holo-sim units into the same simulation?
Yes, with a big enough computer

>How fast would time pass inside compared to the real world?
Probably real time, or slightly faster.

>Would they be able to learn any skill we design a simulation for?
Within reason

>How hard would it be to make a simulation?
A big lengthy might require a programming action for certain skillsets

>Would they be power-intensive?
Yes, especially en masse.

Luckily thats not yet an issue.
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>>1588187
Unfortunatey, the program is hard coded in Chinese.

That's a gigantic wall since the Chienese don't have expert computer programmers, and even BigMT can't understand Chinese programming.
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>>1588199
Goddam Chinese, hard coding everything. This is why the war happened.
>>
Gonna have to add holotraining to our list of things to do.
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>>1588121
>>1588130
>>1588190
If we had holotraining, would it be like having Clone Trooper training?
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>>1588248
>Throw just throw millions of people to there deaths.
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>>1586668
>>Non-Fissile Materials! - If we spend most of our alien parts, we can figure out a way to hook up a disintegrator to this device. Then we no longer have to rely on hard to get radioactive isotopes. We can just expend energy instead and feed it normal metals!

Does this mean that it will be enough just using scrap metal?
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>>1588253
We would just need to put metal into it.

Though making the input just energy would be better.
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>>1587635
You meet with Dandan's parents, after she coaches you on Chinese etiquette and the marriage system.

She explains its a somewhat lengthy affair, involving gifts and dowrys for good luck, presenting of items to shrines and the local priest, and the selection of the date. You pay attention and memorize it well.

Their parents accept. . .recognizing the evident need since her belly is already starting to bulge ever so slightly. Its clear they are a bit resented about that fact, but are courteous to you in turn.

You are to be formally married to Dandan on a selected month of the Chinese calendar, and you flow through the motions as her parents plan the wedding.

It strikes you on how much the Chinese respect their wedding traditions, which they have preserved thanks to their isolation for 200 years. But man, this is a lot more complex than the wasteland thats for sure.

The wedding will automatically happen at a set time.
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>>1588266
That would be astronomically power costly.
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>>1588270
we should have the wedding customs as mandatory for weddings somewhere down the line really create an identity to distinguish ourselves
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>>1588273
are we still voting on that btw?
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>>1588277
We need a type of wedding where its a real party. None of this sitting around while listening to 20 speeches of how great the couple will be together.
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>>1588248
We also have giant robo scorpions, and were planning to make rocket bikes.
I think we might be c&c NOD.
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>>1588286
You guys asked for the technology to produce Sierra Vending Machines with 100% accuracy.
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>>1588273
Will that be in realm of our capabilities?
I was thinking that power would become main resource like food and medicine which we could stockpile to produce some things.
Heck, we could produce solar collectors and powerbanks to increase our energy rate.
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>>1588293
>I think we might be c&c NOD.
I wasn't ready for this revelation.
>>1588294
A shame we couldn't string Elijah for a bit longer to jack his vending machines, but this is a great usage of a boon.
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>>1588298
It's one thing to rearrange matter (which is why the Sierra Madre Chips are 2/3 Steel, 1/3 Fissile Metal)

Creating new matter from energy? That's literally trying to expend the power of an atomic reaction in reverse.
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>>1588293
"Chinese-jury-rigged Alien disintegration-lasers enhanced by Big MT science and boons styled like AK 47's for everyone!"
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>>1588293
That's not... wrong.
Is that a bad thing?
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>>1588310
It does mean we are kinda the bad guys and also terrorists.


I mean, looking back over my plans and methods, I am basically advocating being a tiny, technologically advanced isolationist insurgency...so yeah NOD.
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>>1588310
Fuck no it ain't bad.
Ain't bad at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD1U5_AcB0k
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>>1588286
>>1588294

No, but that doesn't mean that we can't research it in future. Especially now that we can make perfect replicators.

Which we should be focusing on imo.
Also we need much bigger supply of resources. I honestly suggest we set up working relations and trade with ncr. We can produce extremely valuable and rare stuff through replication (after more research) to trade for very cheap scrap metal which in turn we will use to replicate more stuff.

Is like paying with gold to buy trash, then turning that trash into gold to buy more stuff.
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>>1588316
I think if we find ourselves being a video game antagonist we should step back and take a long look at what we're doing.
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>>1588316
>>1588310
>>1588299
>>1588293
>Implying NOD did anything wrong when GDI redrew the Zones and hordered all the good land for themselves and let everybody else die.


KANE LIVES, DOWN WITH GDI.
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>>1588306
Did we ever give our workers new shoes?
>>1588310
Well, we also have kinda-sanctioned black markets, if we're also thinking of the GLA.

>>1588316
Plus The Courier's on the path to being a nigh-unkillable pseudo-messianic figure to the Phoenixians.

>>1588325
>KANE LIVES, DOWN WITH GDI.
Who'd be the closest ones to the GDI in this instance?
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>>1587635
>Civilian
>Research the meteorological shit.

You send researchers to the meteorological station.

The team, and your Brain, ask specifically what are you after here? All have been made aware of the link of this place to the disaster at the Divide, and many are not at all happy with the prospects of repeating a second disaster.

There is little faith that anything useful can come of recklessly attempting to alter the weather.

>What do
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>>1588332
The crazy ghost guy.

>>1588338
What went so wrong to cause the storm.
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>>1588338
find a way to see if we can turn the storms on / off.
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>>1588324
As long as we don't start mass sabotage and WMDing everyone we'll be fine being NOD.
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>>1588332
Well if we really want to go hardcore., We have a chinese war factory
Behold, the bringer of light
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>>1588338
Research the Meteorological station's effects on weather, specifically wind manipulation.
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>>1588338
Just try to find a way to stop those storms or at least reliably predict and navigate them.
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>>1588321
Actually I was going to advise taking some mining and salvaging robots to the Divide to salvage all the radioactive material from there and to repair as many of the nuclear missiles as we can and scraping the rest for their parts / radioactive material. For use against Elijah if worst comes to worst.

This would also allow us to get all of the Eyebot repair and medical drones from the divide which could greatly strengthen our nation.

Also it is a "safe" expansion plan since it doesn't risk contact with the other two major powers.

>>1588324
Hey, we have good motivations.

>>1588325
That is quite true yeah, the GDI were kinda screwing them over.

>>1588332
I would hope so and you are right about us becoming a religious figure.

>>1588338
Explain we want to know how to reverse the effects as well as cause them. In the hopes of reclaiming the Divide and any regions like it. However if they are still uncomfortable with it, the honest to god hope we have is that by manipulating the weather we can contain the Cloud that Elijah hopes to spread as well as enhance our farmlands.

>>1588344
Nuclear warheads went off thanks to the Courier. Fallout from this mixed into the constant rain-clouds / storms and created the Divide's unique brand of death.
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Ok now that we've realized we're NOD the idea of reintroducing Christianity sounds even better.
FANATICISM HO!
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>>1588344
>What went so wrong to cause the storm.
BigMT researchers were trying to figure out a way to create consistent rain in the desert, to transform the landscape into green farmlands and such.

Instead they created a weather phenomenon of permanent dust storms. It seems to now be a permanent facet of the very air itself, caused by scarring of the various stratospheric layers or something. That wouldn't have been so terrible, and actually you yourself had visited the Divide numerous times and they survived well enough.

But then you brought the NCR's package from Navarro, and the ICBM's detonated, creating the Divide as we see today.
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>>1588398
NOD? Whats that?
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>>1588398
Our robots will be equipped with crossbows that shoot, you guessed it, crosses.

Also we need to put every Legion soldier onto a cross for their execution.
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>>1588352
>>1588371
There doesn't appear to be a way, that doesn't involve risk of creating a 2nd storm.

Its like trying to fight fire with fire.

>>1588371
However, an accurate Radar to observe an warn of potential storm formation is indeed possible!

They can make that the focus of your research if that is what you wish.

>Accept?
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>>1588422
yes
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>>1588325
>>1588344
>The crazy ghost guy.
If Elijah is the closest to the GDI, I'm all for fucking them up. Fuck him and his turtling with that sweet hoard.

>>1588398
We already had some fanatic militia back when we have Cottonwood Cove, so we already have a head start! Plus Axe-man's got that whole fanatic fighter bent to him.

>>1588416
A faction from the Command & Conquer: Tiberium series.
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>>1588416

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_JStKB_mqU

>>1588422
Sure.
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>The BoS is basically the 40K mechanicus.
Can we please ally/unite with them and blend NOD and Mechanicus aesthetics together?
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>>1588417
>Also we need to put every Legion soldier onto a cross for their execution.
Naw, we gotta use Christian/inquisition executions like the wheel or the 4 horses.
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Need to sleep. Have request.


Please make salvaging / extracting bots. Send to irradiated divide. Salvage and refine. Repair missiles and integrate robots from region. Their two types can repair humans and machines.


Also continue to research the Replicators. Improve interface next time so we can load them more efficiently.
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>>1588422
>>Accept?
Yes. We could plan expeditions around that, possibly find safe zones for future outposts.

>>1588438
Would be sweet, if we managed to amend our differences.
>>1579971
>How long has it been since the siege started, how long were their stores supposed to last for?
Did we ever get to ask Veronica that?
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>>1588438
Remember the mechanicus are dirty heretics worshiping the omnisiah.

But they are a necessary compromise for humanity to survive.
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>>1588422
>Y
A damn, we can't manipulate wind?
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>>1588450
>Dirty heretics
>Worshiping knowledge.

Go home guard.
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>>1588422
Your engineers spend a lot of steel and electronics to build what they call a "Doppler Radar" and the computer analysis machine.

It's not 100% accurate, but it should give fair warning of dust storm formations and will help to outline the safe zones where they don't tend to show up.
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>>1588488
Seriously though, we can't change/cause a few gusts of wind without potentially causing a storm?
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>>1588488
Hey QM, When do we do stuff? Foretell of the coming of Tiberium?


>>1588501
You don't understand how fragile our Ecosystem really is do you?
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>>1588501
Pretty much.

Weather manipulation is not an exact science in the least.

>>1588510
>When do we do stuff?
Hmmm?
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>>1588515
You know, foretell the future?
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>>1588488
Is it possible to schedule expeditions for the emissions of Divide storms out into the wastes now? Possibly
handheld versions of these radars as Divide detectors?
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>>1588510
>You don't understand how fragile our Ecosystem really is do you?
I understand but i really want to just cause a few gusts of wind to stop clouds.
>>1588515
Fucking hell, guess we'll have to go to the other plan.
We must develop a cloud neutralizing agent.
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>>1588523
that can destory everything.
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>>1588526
What can destroy everything?
The anti cloud agent? I know there's a possibility it will have negative effects on some objects which is why i wanted to try the wind manipulation first.
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>>1588518
You aren't a Psyker unfortunately, not like the Forecaster.

>>1588521
Handheld versions are unlikely to be effective. But as long as you maintain radio communications with BigMT you should be fine.

>Brain
"I wouldn't recommend sending living things in there at all, not even super mutants. Robots should be safest."
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>>1588531
Wind manipluation can. If you fuck with a part here, everything down wind can get fucked too.

>>1588536
If I roll another 100, Can we get tib from the stars?
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>>1588536
Do we need to research robot armor that can survive in the Divide or are we ready to build some divide expedition forces?
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>>1588542
>Wind manipluation can. If you fuck with a part here, everything down wind can get fucked too.
I know but i thought we could still find a safe way to do so just to prevent Elijah's plan.
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>>1588550
Safe means another planet.
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>>1588543
>Brain
"I'd recommend some additional caustic hazard armor really. Something modular and replaceable. In addition a track modification for them, which will be less prone to melting in the cloud like certain rubbers would.

But I would tack that onto a WELL overdue Securitron Research action, we've been losing them but haven't been replacing them. Admittedly we don't have the titanium and certain rare elements to properly make more but still."
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>>1588561
Fuck no, we ain't leaving earth unless it is turned into barren inhospitable rock.
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>>1588564
And we have to research the securitrons too.
Someone should go back and read the previous threads too collect all the things we need to research.
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>>1588576
I can go look for that later.

>Brain
"We have the Securitron Deconstruction Plant, the Magneto Hydraulic Plant, and existing upgraded securitrons.

Actually we do have what we need and can begin research whenever you wish."
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>>1588576
I'd prefer developing a dedicated frontline bot rather than securitrons which are more policing and security
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>>1588587
Can we produce the titanium from the vending machine?
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>>1588591
Not yet.
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>>1588590
Actually, for all the Military's Sentry Bots, Robobrains, and Gutsy,s the Securitron is surprisingly superior to them in many regards. But also far more complex and a bigger resource investment.

Thankfully, BigMT and Dr. 0 paved the way for further research on them and have lots of documentation.

>Brain
"And this is exactly why I wished for you to return your operations and as many securitrons here as possible."
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>>1588611
I'll be making a comparison list soon.
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Since the Meteorological idea failed let's think about what we'll do next, we can
1 Research a anti-cloud agent that will neutralize the cloud.
or
2 Research securitrons, modify them for an expedition to the Divide, then research alien metal for options and better understanding of their guns then research alien scout ship for their method of flight so we can have a superior airforce.
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>>>>>Food: Below Average (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Water: Low (Slowly Rising)
>>>>>Medicine: Below Average (Stable)
!NEW!
>>>>>>Materials: Scrap Wood (tiny) Scrap Metal (Bellow Average) Special Electronics (Exhausted) Hygiene Supplies (Abundant) Booze (Low) Alien Tech Scraps (Moderate) Alien Robotic Corpses (Tiny) Hexcrete Bags (Moderate)
>>>>>Fuel: Airplane Fuel (Low) Ethanol (uses Food)
>>>>>Total Pop: 274 Humans (and companions) +40 Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Total Armaments (proportionate to the total pop) Below Average
>>>>>>Weapons: Type (Subtype, Amount, Condition)
-Conventional Melee Weapons (Legion; Moderate, Pristine)
-Conventional Firearms (Legion; Moderate, Pristine) (Mercenary, Above Moderate, Intact)
-Energy Firearms (Human Plasma, Moderate, Intact) (Human Laser, Moderate, Intact) (Alien, Moderate, Intact) (Alien-Jurry Rigged, Moderate, Intact)
>>>>>>Ammunition Reserve: Conventional (Below Average) Energy (Moderate)
>>>>>>Armor/Uniorms:
(Salvaged Legion, Moderate, Pristine)
(Legion Centurion. Tiny, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Armor, Moderate, Intact)
(OW American Infantry Uniforms, Moderate, Intact)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Armor)
(7 Alien Bounty Hunter Big Rifles)

---

Its been over two months since the celebration.

Numerous women are now with bulging bellies, and an anticipated need for more space is apparent.

Arcade and Delilah speak to you.

>Arcade
"I normally don't pry on the private affairs of people, but I'm a bit curious. . .what exactly lead you to feel it was appropriate to father a child in, by my count, 10 different women in one night?"

>Delilah
"Um. . .yeah. That seems very excessive. Why Courier?"
>>
--TRONA---
++Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 50 Securitrons MK2
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined buildings.
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses
>>>>>Animals:

---NEWBERRY SPRINGS---
++BigMT Outpost++
>>>>>Military: 100 Securitrons MK2
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Ruined Houses. Lake. Hemp Farm (Small). Banana Yucata (Medium) {NEEDS MORE HOUSES}
>>>>>Defenses: Ruined Houses. Nat100 Robot Defenses.
>>>>>Animals:

---THE CRATER---
>>>>>Morale: High
Permanent: Patriotism (Slight - Phoenix Commonwealth)
>>>>>Current Pop:
97 Human
1 Ghoul
>>>>>Garrison:
5 Devils Brigade - Power Armor
19 Couriers Companions - Arcade, Doc Delilah, Cass, Raul, Veronica, ED-E, Rusty, Wendy Gilbert, Hazel, Desmond Harper, Vanessa, Joana, AXE MAN, Milton+Hans, Sonia, Riddick, Dean Domino, Slave
98 Securitrons MK2
1 GIANT ROBO SCORPION
397 Robo Scorpions
>>>>>Prisoner: None
!NEW!
>>>>> Infrastructure: Higgs Village Warehouse [6 Intact Homes w/{Toilets, Air Condition}, Indoor living area. Raul’s Shack. Follower Hospital. 5 Box Cars. Latrines. Plumbing Water. Heated Water. Indoor Ventilation.) The DOME. The SINK (BigMT Command Center. The THINK TANK). The FORBIDDEN ZONE. Military HQ/Barracks (Great){NEEDS MORE ACTIONS}. Lobotomite Pleasure House (Primitive). Constrution Site (Small). Y-0 Research Center. Scrap Performance Stage. X-2 Transmitter Array. Hemp Farm.
Chinese War Factory
Small Chemical Mill
Magneto Hydraulics Plant Robotics Facility
(Tiny) Cass' Multipurpose Ethanol/Alcohol Distillery
X-12 Biological Research Plant
Small Automated Hexcrete Plant
Doppler Radar
>>>>>Defenses: Radar Fence/Mountain Range. Laser Turrets (Few)
Watch Towers.
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Riddick’s Charge Co. Dodger. 1 Giant Crane (Ruined) 1 Alien Scoutship (Ruined/Unworkable)
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (HUGE). BigMT Underground Reactors
>>>>>>Other
+The THINK TANK
+Dr. MOBIUS
+Unity
+Julia Farkas
+Arcade Ganon
+30 Allied Followers
+55 Captured Female Lobotomites
+67 Captured Male Lobotomites.
+20 Construction Bots
Boom Town Shooting Course
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>>1588765
"Wasn't intentional, i legitimately forgot the condoms."
>>
---THE BOXCARS---
>>>>>Morale: High
>>>>>Armaments: Average
>>>>>Current Pop:
179 Human
+40 Super Mutants/Nightkin
>>>>>Garrison:
2 Couriers Companions – Doc Mitchel, Doc Doc Orderly MD PHD DDS
+15 Mr. Orderly Robots
51 Child Soldiers “Freeside Rats”
11 Trained Regular Officers [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
25 Trained Regular Infantry [OW American Infantry Armor] (Plasma/Laser) {Veterans}
22 Trained Militia [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Veterans}
30 Militia Recruits [Mixed Salvaged Legion] (Firearms) {Raw}
+20 Super Mutants
+20 NightKin
175 Securitrons MK2
>>>>>Prisoner: None
>>>>> Infrastructure: 19 Rail Car Homes. 15 Sheet Metal Homes. Latrines. Spring Well. Hazmant Truck Container. Radioactive Liquid Tank. Irradiated Water Tank (85% Intact) Clean Water Tank (Intact). Improved Public Baths. Public Washing Machines.
Banana Yucca Farm (Large)
Cotton Farm (Medium)
>>>>>Defenses: Disease Quarantine Measures (Primitive)
>>>>>Vehicles: 1 Vertibird, 1 Fuel Economic Fuel Semi Truck, 7 Tracked Construction Vehicles (Mining Specialized) Jacob Mile's Mr. Fix-It Frame
>>>>>>Power: Electricity (Adequate) {Shared from The Crater}. Electrical Poles

>>>>>>Other:
+Marcus
+Keene
+16 Herd Animals (Brahmin/Bighorn)
!NEW!
+3 Young Brahmin

>>>>>A. Scavenge (for what)
>>>>>B. Try to improve (which) base
>>>>>C. Try to improve weapons (where).
>>>>>D. Research technology.
>>>>>E. Explore in a direction/something.
>>>>>F. Scavenge for raw materials (where/what)
>>>>>G. Your choice/Write in
>>>>>Turn: 60
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Does the Military action include setting up a supply chain like transporting Newberry water to Big MT?
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>>1588786
Unfortunately not.

Had it been transporting water to the front line via logistics that would be different, but what you're asking is on a larger, industrial scale.
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>>1588765
I forgot the protection?
I never had sex with most of them before and y'know, you can't get pregnant on the first try, right?
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>>1588813
>I never had sex with most of them before
>you can't get pregnant on the first try
Those are a bit of a lie
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>>1588806
Alright.
>>1588783
>Hero.
Spend time with child.
>Civ.
Set up a supply chain between Newberry and Big MT, mostly to transport water.
>Construct.
Set up a supply chain between Trona and Big MT, to transport scrap metal and maybe saltwater.
>Military.
Scavenge for metal in Trona.
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Rolled 84 (1d100)

>>1588826
Forgot roll.
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>>1588818
Well the second one is sorta excusable to bad education. The first is to validate the second.

Or we can just say:
I do who I want, they do who they want, everyone's knew the risks.
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>>1588826
>Set up a supply chain
Care to define this?

Would you like to devote robots to carrying/towing tankards of water?

Use of large vehicles, for now, requires an action.

>Brain
"Any reason you wish to avoid a pipeline? That was my first idea."
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>>1588832
I'd like to devote trucks, i recall the Chinese could build them back before we decided to come to Big MT.
If we don't have trucks use robots, with the scrap metal gain i'll build the needed trucks.
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>>1588774
>Hero
Spend time with the family.
>Civ
Design a dedicated scavenge and hauling bot with Doctor 0
>construct
rebuild the houses in Newberry so we can move the colonists in
>Military
Drill some more, along side securitrons- get the officers and soldiers comfortable working with bots.
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>>1588841
You don't have the fuel production capability for passive truck use yet.

Until you develop electrical engines maybe.
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>>1588863
Well shit.
Use robots then but only for Newberry.
I'll also change my Construct action to
>rebuild the houses in Newberry so we can move the colonists in
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Rolled 1 (1d100)

>>1588860
roll
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>>1588875
Fucking good job anon, now we have to spend our only boon.
>>
Rolled 88 (1d100)

>>1588881
Lol, No. Fuck that.

>>1588783
backing this >>1588860
>>
Rolled 88 (1d100)

Or we might as well try to roll a 100.
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>>1588885
>>1588886
lol, supporting
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>>1588875
oh bad luck duck.

[LOCKED]
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>>1588885
>>1588886
>88
>88
Crazy 8's hoboy, this might just make things less painful.
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>>1588912
That's good.
>>
Rolled 56, 72, 80 = 208 (3d100)

>>1588912
or, well, it might make things a lot more worse.

Lemme check
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>>1588927
Is it looking good or bad doctor?
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Rolled 13 (1d100)

>>1588927
hmmmm
>>
going to be busy today, update later tonight.
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>>1588860
>>Civ
>Design a dedicated scavenge and hauling bot with Doctor 0

MEANWHILE

IN THE SECURITRON DECONSTRUCTION PLANT!

>Dr 0
"Alright Dr. Mobius, let's get down to work. We've got a lot of work to do if we're going to beat Mr. House at his own game!"

>Brain
"Mhmmm yes indeed. I'm sure Mr. House would never anticipate us modifying some of his securitrons into a dedicated scavenge and hauling version"

>Dr. 0
"Exactly Dr. Mobius! He'll never see it coming, why when these babies hit the market, the word 'Securitron' will be associated with my name!

Ah, where to begin. Let's use some of the wrecks of those destroyed securitrons you shipped in a while ago."

Dr. 0 got to work and the Brain got to work, both acting form a distance. Your brain in the FORBIDDEN ZONE and Dr. 0 in THE SINK, acting via construction robots.

The work was good, they had several models of robot able to perform salvage and even repair operations.

All that was left was to turn them on.

>Dr. 0
"Now let's see these babies go!"

The Securitrons whirred to life, electronics buzzed and hydraulics hummed. And on the screens both brains could see the faces of the Securitron.

>Dr. 0
"Huh, wait a minute I think I know that face. Isn't that-"

>Brain
"Oh. . .oh no."
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>>1590453
You are walking to the elevator doors of the DOME, as you make your way up to see your little girl and her mother again.

As the elevator doors open, somethings not right. Blood. . .everywhere. Your heart beats faster as you wonder whats happening.

The elevator ride is a tense one, as the doors swing open your fear is realized. Your room is trashed, everything is in shambles. Lightbulbs are smashed, the Auto-Doc is sparking, the Faucet is left running, the toaster thrown into it, and Muggy is dazed and confused rubbing his head.

Your child is missing, and there on the floor is Unity face down, barely breathing. Several ridiculously sized elephant syringes are jabbed empty into her body.

As you try to figure out what to do, the intercom screams.

>BRAIN
"COURIER I NEED YOU AT THE THINK TANK. RIGHT NOW WOULD BE GOOD PLEASE."

That's when you hear explosions outside, and you head to the Balcony.

That's when you see it. Your own securitrons are on rampage, blowing up everything in sight.

Fuck not another robot attack.

This time your army seems to be organized and knows what to do. They fall back, your officers organizing a mass retreat into the tunnels and the spaceship.

>What do
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>>1590458
Go to the think tank, see whats going on there.
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>>1590461
This.


Also I am slightly calling bullshit that our robots turn against us and this shit happens but I'll wait to see how this turns out, who it is and how OP justifies it.
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>>1590458
>>1590620
>inb4 it's Crypto who planted a virus as a parting gift.
>>
>>1590628
Unlikely, if not outright impossible.
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>>1590628
Whether it is or isn't, publically it is going to be.
We cant admit this was our fault if it was
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>>1590634
If it's not just a corruption of the AI, somehow, then it's either the rampant berserker or Crypto. Isn't he the one who took apart the Securitrons, reverse-engineered their schematics, then made improved versions of them in a turn?

>>1590639
Crypto or the rampant berseker would make great scapegoats.
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>>1590645
I doubt it was a corruption of the AI. If it was then we'd only be suffering it in the bots they built / modified since they shouldn't be able to spread the software across the network.

Same goes for Crypto. I doubt he bothered to include such a thing since if he could have done this then he would have won the battle against us far easier, hell this alone might have beat us.

Also he didn't make better securitrons. He made new robots based off of the securitrons modified using alien materials and tech along with their massive industrial base.
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>>1590656
Unless they were doing batch upgrades or made their software patch self propogating because then they dont have to download manually into the bots.
This could be any number of bad IT practices
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>>1590656
>Same goes for Crypto. I doubt he bothered to include such a thing since if he could have done this then he would have won the battle against us far easier, hell this alone might have beat us.
He could've only been able to plant this in destroyed securitrons before leaving.

>Also he didn't make better securitrons. He made new robots based off of the securitrons modified using alien materials and tech along with their massive industrial base.
He still got their schematics, so he made new robots that were better than them.

>I doubt it was a corruption of the AI. If it was then we'd only be suffering it in the bots they built / modified since they shouldn't be able to spread the software across the network.
>>1590453
So it's either the rampant berserker who I guess was waiting for something like this to happen, or >>1590664
>>1590664
>This could be any number of bad IT practices
IT is now a lost art.
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>>1590666
House should have commented his code.
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>>1590664
It's really simple:

You have a master software set, the one stored by Brain in this case, AKA the one on the platinum chip or the software House had prior to that. Stored away on a master server or some other such place.

Then you constantly or occasionally ping your robots with the version code, if their's is different then they ping back the need to update and receive the data.

Outside of this and visual / audio sorts of data, nothing should ever exit the Securitrons.
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>>1590666
>He could've only been able to plant this in destroyed securitrons before leaving.
He had access to destroyed securitrons before he turned on us. Since we assaulted the armoury.

>He still got their schematics, so he made new robots that were better than them.
Essentially, at least to him they were better.
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>>1590669
Yeah that would be the good way to do that, but the lazy way would involve the bots checking on each other so you save on bandwidth from the main server. Radio waves aren't free you know.
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>>1590672
House was many things. Narcissistic, arrogant, autistic and even possibly evil. Lazy and dumb were two things he most certainly was not.
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>>1590673
Maybe zero and brain forgot to set up an isolated testing environment and accidentally put their update on the master set.
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>>1590675
Brain is even smarter than us. This is shit so basic even I would remember it and I once made a program with a functionless loop. Admittedly at the time I was out of practice and tired as shit.
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>>1590668
>>1590672
>>1590673
Honestly I doubt Mr. House had any direct involvement in the platinum chip or Securitron's code. If he did then it wouldn't have taken 250+ years to come around with the software update for the Securitrons, they would've had backups and stuff, or Mr. House could've redone it himself (kind of).

>>1590675
>>1590677
To be fair it's not like they spend most of our time on IT and are living in relatively calm conditions. They could've derped from all the stress of a civilization that constantly fluctuates between varying states of distress.
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>>1590681
Well the chip was too be delivered the day the bombs fell. It just too 200 yrs for houae to find it and get it sent on it way again.
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>>1590681
Doctor 0 hates House for making better robots than him. Logically speaking that might include their code.
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>>1590693
He might just lump House and Houses code monkeys into one lump. Zero was a public sector employee, so its not like he can juat hire coders on passion projects like house can
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>>1590699
I would point out that the think-tank's wants were catered to where possible to make them work harder. Plus the fact that they were highly nationalistic / hating of communism / hating of Chinese. Thus their dream projects and shit would have been the stuff the government wanted.
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>>1590458
>>1590461
3rd.

>>1590700
>>1590699
On that note, would it ever be possible to recover the semi-lobotomized Think Tank's minds, or are they permanently shadows of themselves?
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>>1590708
I think it was mentioned they'd be toned down if given meat bodies.
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>>1590708
Well their mental prowess could be recovered. Seemingly trigger memories from their past like Klein's dog can clear their mind and reduce their insanity slightly. It would also help if we removed the regressive memory loop they have.

Another idea would be further research into the medical gel their brains are suspended in to find a way to "de-coagulate" it or to delay / prevent the effects it carries. As that would protect our brain as well.
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>>1590714
>As that would protect our brain as well.
>tfw our Brain could potentially end up like the Think Tank, especially if we die.
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>>1590721
So hed become CABAL to keep the Kane thing going
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>>1590721
I know, it scares me.


It's part of the reason I want to get as many Brain's together as we can. So they can all sit around thinking and working to solve the research problems while their bodies work on other shit like actually solving industrial, military and other such problems.


Which reminds me. We need to upgrade our Material replicators again and pick up the ability for them to reclaim materials from the environment with the alien disintegration tech. Then we just install it onto a mining rig or something and suddenly we can do material processing very easily.

We follow this up with it's upgrade to produce alien materials and then we can make en masse new alien shit. Then we make shielded robots that walk around converting our enemies into raw materials for more of themselves plus assembler bots and shit. Like war of the worlds but more fucked up.
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>>1590730
>mfw we become Supreme Commander
Would we be Cybran or Aeon?
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>>1590734
Why not both?


Also clearly we are the Asgard from Stargate: SG1. As our weapons are just re-purposed mining equipment.
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>>1590727
>So hed become CABAL to keep the Kane thing going
KANE LIVES ON!

>>1590734
Both, I'd think. Cybran would be the robot and Brains side, Aeon the religiously-bent side from the Brotherhood of Nod precursor.

>>1590737
How dank can we get?
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>>1590737
Now I want a giant stealth spider bot with microwave laser.
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>>1590739
>>1590741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbZq2MPYHoY


I think we can get very dank. Also yes, the replicators would be great to have were it not for them always kinda being a bad thing since when we get a 1 they'll turn against us...
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>>1590739
ONE VISION, ONE PURPOSE
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Also, we should really consider expansion via robots more seriously.


Since all we need to control them is a radio tower in the area and all we need to build a fairly basic robot is some steel or aluminium, copper and silicon. Things which we have within the region except for the steel.

Admittedly for this to work we will need a better fuel supply and thus will need to get all of our farms working at maximum efficiency. Either by building that pipeline or by making farms at the other town.
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Anyone here to discuss things or are you all busy?
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>>1590950
I'm here but busy.
What do you want to discuss?
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>>1590956
Well plans generally, how we are gonna survive now that seemingly all of our robots are going to have to be destroyed.

Also how to best take advantage of our technology and position in the wastes.
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>>1590959
>Well plans generally, how we are gonna survive now that seemingly all of our robots are going to have to be destroyed.
We will hopefully still have the robot wrecks to reverse engineer.
>Also how to best take advantage of our technology and position in the wastes.
I think we should use our superior tech for 2 things, making a superior culture so people come to us and to have really fast, maneuverable units so we can attack, defend and expand quickly.
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>>1590963
True but we're gonna lose a huge number just from damage to components and the fact we struggle to replace these. Still if we can continue to improve the material replicators, expand into irradiated regions and possibly clear the underground labs of Big mt for their resources and science, we might make it.

My plans mostly involve either becoming some sort of west coast institute, grabbing everything we can and heading east or somehow wining here.
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>>1590971
I don't like the institute but we will probably end up like that anyway if we don't gain ground.
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can't we find some way to transmit a signal to the securitrons that shuts them down? i have a suggestion. we used a hexadecimal code to bypass securitrons on the strip, so why not find a way to amplify our voice or directly broadcast the code to our robots?
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>>1590977
The icecream code probably wont work if enough of their core programming is corrupted.
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>>1590977
Ah right, we do have the shutdown code.
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>>1590984
>>1590985
we're the courier. our luck/intelligence allowed us to magically bypass several robots in the past through sheer guesswork, so i don't see why we can't think of a shutdown code we already know, devise a new one, or just lock down our population while attempting various code combinations through the big mountain radio station/intercomms
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Robots uprising is going to hurt us definitely, but we still have a boon to fall back on.

I also think after this securitron problem, we should get with the think tank and our brain on designing our own custom warbots instead of relying on other older marks.

Wouldn't hurt to work on our commandos as a rapid response force. Would have to work on our stealthboy production or stealthsuita to equip them with.
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>>1590989
I mean the function that receives the voice code.
If the line of code that raises the "master code received" flag is corrupted you cant trigger master control without digging through the code manually.
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>>1590973
Logically, except we will be logically unlike FO:4's institute.

>>1590989
It should work but if it doesn't we can sneak around deactivating them manually if we are smart and sneaky. However that would be a slow method and would require we could keep them from breaking shit and killing people.
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>>1590999
Also saving our first born. Gotta save the kiddo.
Also not leaving unity face down in a comatose state.
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>>1590994
Yeah making a robot based off of local materials would be wise. We have access to saturnite assuming we repair the refinery, copper and a few other materials.
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home now

Hey do you guys want a new thread? its a bit long this one
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>>1591013
New thread probably a good idea.
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>>1590994
i'll be supporting this idea when the time comes. we have the technology and smarts to make bigger, badder, and more efficient robits
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>>1591013
Yeah lets get a new thread
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>>1590461
>>1590620
>>1590708
You enter the THINK TANK, where the Think Tank and a monitor screen of your brain is waiting.

>Brain
"Thank goodness you've arrived.

Dr. 0, do you mind explaining to the Lobotomite what exactly happened."

>Dr. 0
"Uh, yes Dr. Mobius. . .I don't know why since you're right there but okay.

Sooooo, it turns out when designing those new Salvage and Repair Securitrons we accidentally used parts and pieces from the Berserk series. It was purely incidental mind you, we had lumped all the securitron parts we could find in a big pile and just used them."

>Brain
"The new Berserker Repair versions have the upgraded MK V programming making them far deadlier and sturdier than our MKIIs. Furthermore they have the added effect of being able to attack and infect other MKIIs either through disabling and then capturing them and directly modifying their circuits.

This they do through the use of pulse grenades and electric attacks, since these models were also designed to be EMP and static electricity resistant as per the Dust Storms of the Divide."

>Dr. 0
"And they seem to be using those fancy knew building protocols we installed into them to build other bigger things. It'd be impressive if it weren't also terrifying."

>Brain
"We've lost 78 of our Securitron Forces, all that was in the Crater. I've had to place the rest outside the crater on automated programming as a precuation in case a malicious signal goes wireless."
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>>1591048
TIME FOR OPERATION OVERLORD.
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>>1591051
Why do we want to invade the beaches of Normandy? I think were a little late to join the fight against facism.
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>>1591048
"Turn off all of those securitrons. Disable their receivers manually if needed.


I''m going to take care of this but I have one question, where is my child? Seemingly someone has taken it but I doubt these robots would do so?"
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>>1591057
kek
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>>1591057
>Heavysweating.jpg

This is not what I intended when I posted it, but now I feel like we must invade Europa.
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>Brain
"Believe me if i could just shut them all down, this wouldn't even have been a problem. This berserk programming of theirs is highly resilient.

It would take a digital willpower of immense fortitude to overturn them."

Meanwhile, just as you are about to ask what happened to your child, you see Couripor crawling toward you dragging his bloody body.

You run to him and jab stimpaks into his body, he's bleeding badly with multiple fractures. He needs the Auto-Doc or a professional surgeon soon.

>Couripor
"m-Master. . .your daughter. . .I saw. . .big man. . .huge man, like a mutant but human. . .carrying syringes. . .attacked your wife. . .stole your child. . .I tried to stop him, he threw me with one punch to the wall."

Its just then Dr. Dala comes rushing in.

>Dr. Dala
"Oh! Did you see it?

My specimen! The one you gave me about a year ago. He was amazing, every time I cut out an organ, it grew new ones back. The more I cut away, the bigger and stronger it grew back. I almost ran out of jars for the precious little organs.

He ran off with many doses of tranquilizer I had produced for him."
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>what do
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>>1591076
>time to save the day. Get big guns with big bullets or some sleep shit that we can use and bring down the giant fuck
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>Brain
"As much as I know you care for your child, I really need you here and now to deal with this.

This could get very very bad if this gets out of control. I strongly suggest finishing this first, but the choice is yours.

Just don't say I didn't warn you."
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>>1591087
Supporting
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organise the teams to take down the robots we can go look for our son after
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>>1591095
This.


Point out to brain that we have someone that knows our location and hates us escaping. It would be wise to try and contain him.
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>>1591096
>Brain
"ehr, yes I realize that but I'm of the inclination this is a more immediately pressing. if this prisoner of yours returns to the Legion, it will take time to mount an assault and would be a diversion from their buildup against the NCR.

We could deal with that a lot easier if we don't suffer major damages from this robot attack. Still, I'l do my best even without you but this is going to be close."
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>>1591104
"I suppose but so long as they stay isolated to the crater I can take care of them over time. However if you are entirely certain that this is needed...I'll see what I can do on the way to save my child."
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Okay seems like you guys want to leave and try to rescue your child.

Confirm?
Y/N
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>>1591113
>"I suppose but so long as they stay isolated to the crater

>Brain
"That's what i'm concerned about."
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Rolled 36 (1d100)

>>1591115
y
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>>1591115
>Y

Also no more leaving parts in the same piles.
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>>1591115
Y
Also Dala is grounded. No playing with specimens until she learns what she did wrong.
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>>1591115
Feel like this is a bad idea.
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>>1591124
Wait, we can send the companions to hunt the giant. Riddick is a tracker.
We can deal with the bots
We're a leader. Delegate.
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>>1591128
This.
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>>1591115
change >>1591121
to N, but send companions after the giant man.
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>>1591128
You have a point. We can leave the problem to those who are better trained to track someone down and eliminate them while we deal with the robots.


You know, before they go grey goo on us.
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>>1591128
Supporting
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>>1591128
[LOCKED]

Writing and new thread soon.
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>>1591145
Gonna archive this thread, give me a description.
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>>1591155
Another Nat 1 ruins everything.
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>>1591165
We face a constant 1% chance of death and destruction and it happens again...honestly it feels like 100's do less than 1's.
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>>1591175
It's a genie inspired system, what do you expect?
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This thread is now archive.
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>>1591189
True but in genie's games when you roll a 100 miracles occur. Things "magically" come together beyond what is possible, even when chance falls in your favour.

Here it just seems like an above average roll. Like a 90 compared to a 50.
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FUCK I MADE IT THREAD 11!
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>>1590739
PEACE THROUGH POWER
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>>1591627
SECURITY THROUGH STRENGTH


PEACE THROUGH PROGRESS


WE ARE THE FUTURE
ALL ELSE IS DEATH
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>>1591647
ONE VISION, ONE PURPOSE
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>>1591666
>>1591647
>>1591627
>>1591204
>>1591201
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFUfF3Ws39E
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>>1591666
IN THE COURIER'S MESSAGE
. WE TRUST
UNITY, PROSPERITY, TRUTH
POWER, PEACE, PROGRESS
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>>1591679
Dammit the formatting didn't work.


All these phrases just make me want to make propaganda posters and shit. It'd be nice if we could get boons from stuff like that.
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>>1591684
I AM THE FUTURE. THE NUCLEAR SUN HAS RISEN!
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>>1591699

NEW THREAD




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