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>>1958571
It takes several days, but eventually the Dead Horse arrives at the Sorrows. Thankfully, it still looks peaceful, but at the sight of you clanking around in your armor the Sorrows amass to.

"Where is the Holy Mother?" they ask "Where did you take her?" "Do you know where she is."

Joshua calls out to them in the tribal tongue (you're able to understand it, mostly through empathy, though you don't know the very fine details often and some words escape you)

Behind you the Eyebots deploy, as the crowd hushes and Joshua speaks in english.

"Sorrows. Dead Horses.

But a few days ago, some of you have seen traveling with the Courier, a goddess. Some of you asked her if she was the Holy Bride, wife of the Father in the Caves, and she told you yes.

But listen to me. A goddess she may be, but not the Holy Bride, nor the Heavenly Mother Daniel has preached of."

A great murmur in the crowd and a raising of voices, but Joshua shouted for silence, and all the crowd became still. Looks like banking on Joshua's influence was a good call here.

"You ask how I know this. How I would know this. I will tell you.

I have met her before. When I was still the Malpais Legate.

And I will prove to you, her true identity."

He signals you to summon her. This time, it's you going along with Joshua's plans.

>con't

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>>1958616
The eyebots silently project Diana again, and all look upon her with awe and wonder, Sorrow and Dead Horse alike. She is displayed in all her grace and grandeur, greenery and a halo of light surrounds her as she stares down while people begin to kneel or pray or prostrate themselves.

Joshua steps up on a rock to speak with her, staring her face to face.

"Hearken to me," he says "what is your name."

"Diana, Goddess of Nature, Mother of Life, from whom all things are sourced and to whom all things will return."

The crowd murmurs again, but stays quiet as Joshua is speaking.

"And are you not also Diana, Goddess of the Twin Mothers tribe, who dwelled in the city carved in the stone?"

Diana's mood shifts, as she hears him recognize her lost tribe.

". ..I am."

Joshua once more turns to the people.

"This is Diana, of the Twin Mothers tribe. She is NOT the Bride of the Father, or the Heavenly Mother that Daniel speaks of. She herself, was confused when you asked if you were her lost children.

For she has lost her children, her tribe. They were taken from her.

I know this, for I am the one who did it."

The crowd whispers again, wondering what he means.

"I was the Malpais Legate, who ordered the destruction of the Twin Mothers tribe. I ordered the males to be crucified, the women to be raped and sold as wives, and the children enslaved. I ordered the burning of the city carved in the mountain, and the burying of the Vault which she dwelled in."

At this there is a visible shock echoing through the crowd, and even among Diana.

"Reddite ergo quae sunt Caesaris Caesari et quae sunt Dei Deo.

These were the words I spoke to you then. Do you remember me now?"

Diana suddenly has a flash of remembrance on her face, which turns into an angry, furious glare and tears.

>con't

>>1958684
Did the sorrows and dead horses know Joshua was the ex-legate, or ex-legion, or is this a complete surprise to them?

>>1958684
"Yes" Diana says, in anger. "I remember you. You were the leader of the soldiers who butchered my tribe. You cover your body in bandages to try and hide but I could never forget that voice and those words."

Joshua nods. "I cover my body in bandages to cover the burns I sustained from the Legion, and a reminder of my past sins. Every day I bear the pain of them, the fires that have not yet burned out of my flesh, that I might not forget. And every day I seek atonement from the Lord and from those I have wronged.

That is why I was thankful that you were still alive.

Diana of the Twin Mothers, I offer you my apologies for all that I did to you and your people, and for your forgiveness. And that if you cannot forgive me, then think of those who are here. Confusion has been sown, and only you may clarify it.

If you truly are a peacemaker, then I humbly ask you, help maintain the peace here and explain to them who you are."

Diana looks at Joshua, an array of emotions on her face, including hesitancy. You think this could all go very good or very bad right now.

>con't

>>1958731
They know. He tells them about Legion tactics all the time and how to defeat them.

>>1958803
Well played Joshua.

Still going to have a stern seeing-to with the AI.

>>1958803
Diana says something so soft, but says it again louder.

"I forgive you" tears in her eyes.

Even after all that happened to her, the destruction of her tribe and all that was done, she finds it in herself to forgive.

Now Joshua is the one with a few tears in his eyes. "Thank you, Diana."

After that, Diana raises her arms high so that all can see her.

"Tribals of Zion. I am not the Holy Bride of the Father in the Caves. I am not the Heavenly Mother preached by Daniel. I am Diana, a goddess of nature.

My lands, and what Children of mine remain, are far away. I thought to make you my own children, that you would accept me as your mother to teach you how to live in peace and what forgiveness means. But I can see, it is I who have been taught a lesson in forgiveness by this man. Heed him well."

That sounds about the right time to make Diana vanish, and you turn off the Projectors.

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There was some commotion after that, but things started to clear up. The Sorrows faith(s) have been shaken up a little, Daniel intends to rebuild where he left off. He's somewhat impressed that you chose to choose Joshua, and glad that you didn't go through with the ruse.

>Daniel
"It will take time to rebuild, but we Mormon's consider missionary work a necessary element of our faith.

I think, Joshua made a very good example of forgiveness. Something we can teach, and hopefully get the right message across."

>con't

Hey OP question are you still giving bonuses for fan art / propaganda posters?

>>1958918
Kind of yes. Depends on the type of art and I try to make something relevant.

>>1958914
Now that things have settled down, you are certain that Joshua will help keep the peace and that Daniel and the Mormons are satisfied.

You're actually amazed it went down like that, it could have completely blown up. Joshua doesn't seem like much of a gambling man.

>You
"So Joshua, how did you know she would forgive you?"

>Joshua
"I didn't. Forgiveness is not something you can force or demand. It is given, just as the Lord forgives all our sins from his eternal love for mankind if only we ask."

----

Looks like you're free to relax a bit.
>What do?

>>1958930
Go back home, continue with science.

>>1958930
First off, thank Joshua and ask if he would mind coming with us to our town to discuss the future and stuff.

Secondly, get back on our ship and get back to business like >>1958934 says.

>>1958930
Continue our date with Dianna in a more secluded area that wont cause religious issues.

>>1958969
Honestly, considering weve wasted a thread and a half on this we should just go home and get on with it. This is obviously a point of different opinions and not that much good (I am very happy we managed to actually chip her in the first place despite the whiteknights). Lets just move on with the turn.

>>1958930
QM, out of curiosity, how bad would it have been for us if we hadnt taken control of the Nursery when we did and the Reavers had sent the message?

>>1958950
Seconding this.

>>1958993
In my opinion, Chipping her to begin with was the correct decision to make. To much hinged on it, and it was the best outcome in a list of bad choices.

I am hesitant to alter the chip / remove it for either good or bad until we have a better understanding of her character and how she will react to our goals in the future.

>>1958950
Yeah sure. Had lots of exitement. Diana Probably wants some time to think on things.

>>1958996
Well, the BoS would likely have the Nursery or at least Diana's ear.

>>1958993
That is more my fault due to my slowness of posting.

>>1958950
>>1959037
>>1959059
Joshua again, politely declines. His role is here in Zion, his time influencing the outside world is over.

>>1959076
I'd ask if we can try a speech check, but I don't want to negatively impact the relationship if we fail...

>>1959054
Agreed.

>>1959076
>His role is here in Zion, his time influencing the outside world is over.
And he is entirely aware of the situation the world is in? He doesn't want to come and see if we have anything useful to offer? Or to discuss matters regarding Zion / Utah?

Damn, I just realized I linked the wrong thread.

>>1933120

>>1959243
Are you playing Evola's quest?

>BIG MT
https://pastebin.com/jAXYFRB1

>THE NURSERY
https://pastebin.com/ic3ac1xL

>MONTANNA
https://pastebin.com/hNDfikF9

---

It wasn't the date you were hoping for with Diana and it could have gone a lot better. But at least she got to see more of the outside world, has some samples, and has gotten something off her chest.

>Diana
"Thank you for helping me to find some closure Courier."

You see her grasp your hand for the rest of the trip. Maybe it wasn't a complete waste after all.

---

5 more squads of Assaultrons (5R) are Passively Produced.

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NEW TURN

4 Action Cap.

Available Actions: Civilian, Construction, Military, Research, ZAX, Hero
+Robotic Research does not count toward cap.
+Biological Research does not count toward cap
>>>>>Turn: 120

OP, can you make end of the date something quick? Like we spend another day or two in quest but in real life it's just a paragraph?

>>1959273
>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Box-assembly replicator equiped behemoths- like those old WW2 jeeps- make it fit through as small a portal as possible

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
more securitrons

From last thread

>>1959273

>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Box-assembly behemoth, make it fit through the Montana teleporter.

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
Bix-assembly behemoth, teleport it to Montana.

>>1959276
If you wish. I can timeskip it. My schedule is fucked up and I have midterms right now, so if anon's want quicker turns I will comply.

>>1959276
End of the date right there >>1959273.

>>1959273
Okay, first off OP, as a question what sounds better to you lyrically: should I follow "Step by step, the longest march..." with the traditional "can be won, can be won" or with the more inspirational "can be won, will be won"?

>>1959297
>Bix-assembly behemoth, teleport it to Montana.
We can't do that currently.

>>1959312
>We can't do that currently.
But we can research it, then produce it in the same turn with another action. I recall we did something like this before.

>>1959315
That implies they end up fitting into the teleporter, which they may not.

>>1959312
hmmm. I wasn'tmuch of a song writer myself and I don't know the reference. I'd like "we will win" over "can be won"

>>1959297
>Box-assembly behemoth, make it fit through the Montana teleporter.
This does not require an action, and would be a simple case of dissasembly and reassembly on the otherside

>>1959331
Of course, you need to actually build the Montanna and This Side's large scale teleporter too.

>>1959315
I retract my statement given what OP just said.

>>1959327
It's a work song / poem from a 19th century Mining Union rulebook but I've always liked it.

>>1959331
Wait, really? Well shit, let's get to it. I want to get Montana at least partly underway within the year so we can focus on other things.

>>1959324
QM said we can research box-assembly versions for our bots and...
>>1959331
Oh, that's gre...
>>1959334
Oh, that's not great, i want to make the behemoth fit through what we have by making a box assembly version, is that not possible?

>>1959334
OP that is specifically what we are saying, we want to make a variant that can fit through the Human sized teleporter by sending through individual components like upper / lower legs and shit.

>>1959338
Unfortunately no, certain parts, such as the Fissile Reactor or the Alien Energy Cell variant would be far too big for it even if other components could fit through (and there are a number of other individisble parts)

>>1959369
Two questions:

1) Could we carry a fully assembled Mobile replicator (can we come up with an actual name for it please?) to Montana using our Scoutship?

2) Can we carry the fissile reactor / energy cell for a disassembled one to Montana using the scoutship?

>>1959369
>>1959377
Could the mobile replicator make a fissile reactor/energy cell by itself?

>>1959377
Phone post.

1. In at least three trips. But only the medium sized replicator.

2. Yes but it glows in the dark and is noticeable on radar.

>>1959386
>1. In at least three trips. But only the medium sized replicator.
What limitations does this medium sized replicator suffer? Could it, with sufficient time and resources / energy, produce the parts of a larger mobile replicator? How about a non-mobile one?

>2. Yes but it glows in the dark and is noticeable on radar.
Would it fit in the cargo hold?

>>1959394
Thanks to your efforts in wireless transmission of power the main drawback is either investing enough power to convert pure energy into mass or figuring out a more effective way to ferry or harvest steel resource. The main drawback Is time especially if done only by humans and small robots without your large infrastructure from home

Nope it would have to be strapped under the hull and flown at low speed.

>>1959410
Is it feasible to combine the mobile replicator and omni-constructor designs into one C&C MCV like unit?

Would having art help?

>>1959410
I see. A few more questions:

What can a medium replicator produce? Would it be able to construct bases and such?

Sounds like the behemoth is already built in parts, so

>HERO
- Final date
- Assist with the CIV action
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
-scout elijah

>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

>CIV
Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

>ROBO-RESEARCH
Better robo-processor cores

>BIO RESEARCH
cures for post-war diseases

>PASSIVE PRODUCTION
securitrons

>>1959419
Could always just make a new and dedicated robot using both designs. As it stands the behemoth variant is solely a robot squad producer but not much else.

>>1959424
Faster than if you had none. A medium sized replicator can assemble securitrons.

>>1959428
Alright, supporting this seeing as we can't teleport a Mobile War Factory easily.

>>1959428
>Better robo-processor cores
We did this previously and OP implied that we'd maximised the amount of computing power we could get into a robot without expending additional resources. E,g the maximum refinement for our tech level.

I would thus advise making use of this for another purpose like a purpose built agricultural robot to replace our Mr farmers or, redesigning all of our robots but made of alien metal and refined where possible since we are beginning to transition to replicator industry and replicating alien metal should be cheaper than steel given it's lower mass but OP'll probably balance it.

>>1959450
>Faster than if you had none. A medium sized replicator can assemble securitrons.
Give me a timescale for producing a small / tiny cold fusion reactor and what effect attaching itself to and receiving more power that would have on it's ability to replicate.

>>1959428
Why not, Ill support this.

>>1959472
>like a purpose built agricultural robot to replace our Mr farmers
Already have a design, Omni-farmers or Omni-agriculture, something like that.
>redesigning all of our robots but made of alien metal and refined where possible since we are beginning to transition to replicator industry and replicating alien metal should be cheaper than steel given it's lower mass but OP'll probably balance it.
Actually isn't alien metal more expensive to replicate? Even if not i'd at least wait until we got the Universal-disintegrator built before switching to it.

>>1959490
>Already have a design, Omni-farmers or Omni-agriculture, something like that.
That was a reward from a boon, not something we can reproduce easily or possibly even at all.

>Actually isn't alien metal more expensive to replicate? Even if not i'd at least wait until we got the Universal-disintegrator built before switching to it.
I know but it doesn't cost anything to have the designs at the ready, plus the Behemoth replicator model can produce them so it'd be a good test bed.

>>1959472
Did he? what additional resources would we need? We have atom scale printing. We solved the Silicon Lottery.

>>1959499
>That was a reward from a boon, not something we can reproduce easily or possibly even at all.
I thought we could, QM can we make more Omni-farmers?

>>1959510
Eh, I know but to be fair he has to balance our shit out somehow.

Generally the implication is that if we advance our tech in any area, it becomes easier to advance in associated areas since your tools, production methods and all that shit are more refined. Better glass means better telescopes means better stellar navigation for a simple example.

So, general rule just do some research in other areas and the ability to advance will regenerate. That or invest in developing bigger / better facilities to research it or bigger teams of scientists and shit.

>>1959511
Yes.
>>1959472
A tiny one at your level you could probably produce one a month and it would power a large robot forever. Connected to a replicator you could produce an abundance of small parts or a squad of robots in about a month

Just add water.

>>1959544
>Yes.
Well that answers that, no need to research a design.

>>1959544
I just want to make sure you understand my question:


If we were to send a medium sized mobile replicator to Montana and have it produce / construct a tiny cold fusion plant and then make use of the power it provided what effect would that have on it's ability to replicate? How long would it take to produce this initial reactor?

>>1959553
Yeah, that does change things.

>>1959544
How fast could a Omni-contructor build a small/tiny cold fusion reactor?

>>1959580
Your rate and ability to build Tiny/Small Cold Fusion reactors in a month takes into account all of BigMT's efforts put into one action.

>>1959562
That would take longer, at least two turns or more depending on how you do it, but feasible given time.

>>1959428
>>1959468
>>1959473
LOCKED

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>HERO
- Final date
As you go to approach Vanessa, you suddenly find yourself ganged up by (almost) all your wives. With the exception of Dandan and Unity, they all want to know something.

"Hang on Courier." says Veronica "You've been putting a new baby in all of us, starting with Wendy, for the past month on schedule. By the time you reached Sonia we all knew each of us were going to get it.

Except last month. And now you're going after Vanessa.

Are you seeing someone else we don't know about? We saw you take the UFO and the ZAX isn't telling us where you've been!"

oh crap

>What say?

>>1960212
Welll...

Maybe mumble something about a super secret dangerous mission to...Texas?

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>>1959428
>CONSTRUCT 1 + 2
Large cold fusion plant under BigMT

Jacob Miles and the the Construction Tact organizing two entire Engineering Divisions and almost all the effort of BigMT's multiple factories and facilities, begin the long and arduous task of laying the deepest foundations of the twin super fortified underground structures.

"What we're doing here would have taken the same effort Vault Tec would do for a whole entire Vault and then some."

Everyone's spirits are raised to learn that we are more than rivaling even the mighty Old World companies in such an arduous and unforgiving task, as the giant crane starts lowering crew and machines and pipes to pour the masses and masses of hexcrete.

It was decided to not use Steel Reinforcing this time, thanks to Hexcrete's fantastical properties it was feasible. The idea is that unreinforced concrete does not suffer internal corossion from the steel reinforcing, and thus the ancient concrete structures of antiquity have lasted thousands of years. Most Vault-Tec Vaults are also similarly, plain concrete and designed to last. Even so, steel and metal are still going to be necessary for the vast amount of pipes and wiring. No expense was spared, and many of the components are to be made of Alien Metal which while astonishingly expensive, will also last through the ages.

We have been amassing hexcrete for nearly a year since we turned on the mines, but at the rate we are using it we're going to be depleted in the forseeable future. But not the near future at least.

We are rapidly expending resources.

>>1960283
Might want to get the Universal disintegrator first, it'll help stave off resource depletion and we got a pile of dirt to give it.

>>1960212
"It's a long and complicated story but essentially I was dealing with a pre-war ZAX with delusions of being a god and it all boils down to me really not considering that I shouldn't bring the glowing fake-god to a bunch of impressionable tribals while gathering samples of plants.

Trust me, one day I'll introduce you all to it...her...whatever you should call a ZAX under the control of a Woman's brain."

>>1960294
Agreed. Hell we can deactivate the robotics factory for it since the replicators could produce robots if we really needed them.

>>1960311
Any anon's object/support?

>>1960334
Wait for at least two others would you? I don't want to accidentally fuck this up.

>>1960311
Yeah, that sounds good.

Perfect amount of truth and vagueness.

>>1960311
fuck it why not

>>1960311
"Why don't you introduce 'her' to us right now?

You don't really refer to computers as "she" at all. Are you sure its just a computer and not like, a real woman controlling it or something?

*sigh* Why do I get the feeling I know exactly how you dealt with 'her'."

>>1960410
>"Why don't you introduce 'her' to us right now?
"Because she's a being which for the last 200 years hadn't had a single moment of interaction where the other side didn't think she was a god. Trust me, it gets a little annoying how she acts.

Not to mention the fact that the place is on the other side of the MLA-Legion lands unless you want to go by teleport in which case it'll take a fair bit of time for all of you to get there thanks to the need to recharge on either end. There's also the fact that I am uncertain most of you would get along with her."

>You don't really refer to computers as "she" at all.
"Hey, don't let SPI here you say that or she'll be unhappy."

>Are you sure its just a computer and not like, a real woman controlling it or something?
"Seeing as the tribe she is protecting talks about her being around for their grandfather's birth and such, probably not. Also the fact that I've seen her brain in the ZAX."

>*sigh* Why do I get the feeling I know exactly how you dealt with 'her'."
"I can do many things, I can't dick a computer."


Good?

>>1960444
"I can do many things, I can't dick a computer."
>... yet

>>1960444
"SPI was a created computer program. Whatever computer this is, it is a created program right? Not like a real person put into a machine or something like the Think Tank are right?"

>You
[Wasn't ARES also a created program and not a former human though? If you were okay with her. . .]

They fume at this but are unable to reply.

>>1960449
"ARES would beg to differ if she were around.

You don't have to take us to it, just wanted to see exactly what it is that made you miss one of us. We're only worried your seeing another person we don't know about. If its just a computer program that you had to deal with that'd be okay, I guess."

"At least back in the Mojave you introduced us to the next girl you wanted to add to the posse!"

"Its not that we mind sharing Courier, or none of us would be here right now. But just like, be honest with us okay."

Since when did the women get so clingy.

Oh right, the pregnancy thing.

>>1960468
>Since when did the women get so clingy.

>Oh right, the pregnancy thing.

thinking women are only like this because pregnancy...

the turks used to have sayings about their multiple wives.

Emperors with harems often found them troublesome.

Six my friend, polygamy is nice in theory, but the more wives you have the worse their jealousy becomes.

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>>1959428
>ROBO-RESEARCH
>Better robo-processor cores

Efforts to break through the dimished returns of trying to get more powerful cores that aren't just exponentially larger are frustrating, and slightly futile.

Not man, or machine, available are able to adequately approach the issue. The majority consensus is almost that its impossible, that technology has peaked. To expect a decent and actually useful computer to not be the size of a room and what? Fit on a table, like a mere monitor whose only use is to serve as a glorified typewriter? Preposterous!

The only one to come up with a solution is actually AHS-9 and RND. Both of them deduce, correctly, that an example of a sort of 'microcomputer' device does exist. And its in your pocket.

The Platinum Chip.

The one which stored enough information to fit entire rooms worth of holotapes. They ask to study it and you hand it over.

Yet once again, you are met with a brick wall.

>Zax(RND)
"The technology presented in this tiny chip is so complex it makes my processing core ache. This is actually more potent than the human brain, which is currently the go to for microscopic processor ability.

I don't even think we have close to the necessary scanners to fully comprehend this thing, otherwise we could just replicate it."

>Zax(CEO)
"There is some very VERY advanced anti-corporate espionage attempts to prevent reverse engineering of this chip. I suspect this House fellow was responsible for that. It is beyond my capabilities to breach, and mine are the best."

>Zax(SPI)
"Second best, dearie."

>You
[Is it impossible?]

>Zax(RND)
"No. . .maybe. . .I /think/ we can do it but. . .it's going to take time. A lot of time."

>You
[How much]

>Zax(RND)
"Gross estimate? Anywhere between 1 year and 10. This . . .'computer chip' technology is leagues ahead of anything, Old World or New. Nobody even conceived the idea that computers could be so small."

>>1960499
>You
[Is there anyway to speed this up at all]

>RND
"Well. . .if House invented it, why don't you go wake him up and ask him instead"

>>1960499
"what if we had House?"

>>1960510
>if House invented it, why don't you go wake him up and ask him instead"
DO NOT DO THIS UNTIL WE GET VEGAS BACK!

>>1960510
Well now we have to go liberate New Vegas, because he is a desicated husk and will die in transit.

>>1960468
>"SPI was a created computer program. Whatever computer this is, it is a created program right? Not like a real person put into a machine or something like the Think Tank are right?"
"She's a real person or at least was at some point in the past but I fail to see what difference that makes."

>"At least back in the Mojave you introduced us to the next girl you wanted to add to the posse!"
"If or when, I decide she is suitable for and more importantly capable of such activities and closeness, I'll make sure to mention it but currently she is just a very fancy light-show with a brain."

>"Its not that we mind sharing Courier, or none of us would be here right now. But just like, be honest with us okay."
"Fair enough. Well, look at it this way, you found out the truth of the matter and I've not done anything untoward so this resolved nicely."


>>1960495
In this case though the jealousy was kinda well founded given we didn't inform them what we were doing when in past we apparently did.

>>1960499
See. A waste of time with our resources. If we refine our sensor systems, develop better replicators and possibly get a few more ZAX's to throw their heads together we'd be able to get this shit done.

>>1960510
Or we do that...actually yeah we really should get round to waking him up.

>>1960525
Yeah that's the problem but if we can prove to him that we'll be able to get it back then he odd to be willing to listen to us. Worst comes to worst we surgically remove his brain / install the memory reading implants and look for the appropriate memories.

>>1960533
>Yeah that's the problem but if we can prove to him that we'll be able to get it back then he odd to be willing to listen to us.
No, he's already mad at us for causing the big fuckup at the battle, but he'll be livid to learn that we lost New Vegas to the Legion.
At least wait, wait until we kicked the Legion out before waking him up.

>>1960540
We don't even need Chip computer tech right now, focus on building ourselves up and making our robot army.

>>1960533
"At least with a computer program its okay because they are just programmed to like you like ARES, and she didn't even actually like you she was just a sex bot. With a real person its different!"

"Someone doesn't stop being a real person. Your brain is hooked up to a computer but you're still real. Right?"

"See, he IS seeing someone."

Hmm, this isn't going so well.

>>1960540
That and 90% of its former structure has been replaced.

Also the loss of function to Hoover Dam.

>>1960552
It's a real person, except she's connected to a computer. I apologize for not telling you, and it was sort of a date, but mostly about getting her to experience more of the world.

>>1960566
Not to mention it being an excellent opportunity to get some nice gene samples to expand her collection and check up on Utah at the same time.

>>1960552
If you want to meet her you can, but im telling you now its gonna be a hassle.

>>1960552
"I guess you could say I'm seeing someone, but unlike all of you, I don't sleep with it.. because it is an ancient insane brain hooked up to a Zax that thinks it's a god, how are we going to have sex? Shove its power cable up my ass? Maybe I'm trying to do something big here, maybe you all haven't known for a reason? But you know what? Fuck it you can all come and see, just try not to fuck this all up, it's huge. Remember the real live turkey? Yeah, that huge. I'll take you guys but I'm disappointed in the lack of trust"

>>1960610
Getting a bit hostile there. They just want to be kept up to date on the women we're having relations with.

>>1960614
Should we get a bulletin board?

still crunching the actual turn.

>>1960566
"So you were lying to us then. Fine. Again, if you want to add another girl to your little presidential "harem" at least tell us. It hurts if you treat us like. . .like breeding sows!"

"

>>1960582
"I don't know if we can even trust you. You're having a date with someone behind our backs, and didn't even tell us."

---

It took a while but you managed to placate them with assurances that they will meet the computer. It was hard to convince them she wasn't yet able to be seen, /despite/ the fact that you are dating her. Which you pass off as a tactic to get closer and ultimately get in better control of her.

Which you manage to sell. At least the ones who were most angry.

Lucky for you, you remember that whenever Vanessa get's angry she also takes to drink. And once she takes to drink, she's into make-up sex. Funnily enough the others told her to stand her ground, but that went out the door.

Looks like you've completed your little goal of getting that second batch.

>>1960614
Seems we are surrounded by a pack of angry well trained women, that was me trying to roll to intimidate.

>>1960635
Yes, because marital problems are best solved through intimidation and getting belligerent.

We need a therapist. Like one just for us.

>>1960620
>"It hurts if you treat us like. . .like breeding sows!"
I'll be honest I fail to see where this is coming from. I mean, we've dedicated an entire month to each of them where we essentially go out of our way to fulfil whatever request they can imagine. When there is so much shit to do that is far, far more pressing in just raw material terms. Yet they feel like we mistreat them?

Screw it. We'll just remember to get a bulletin board of important shit for them to know we can update as needed.

>>1960643
It's coming from the fact we went on a date with a person and didn't tell them. It speaks of our trust in them, or lack thereof, which means they can't really trust us.

That's why "healthy" open relationships involve telling your partner who your going to be with before hand.

>>1960643
You suspect it was a heat of the moment thing. As your brain would say "nothing but hormones and too much adrenaline"

You imagine they probably didn't take too well to also admitting you were lying to them and also dating someone, even if it was, as you see it at least, just a computer.

They seemed a lot less like themselves and more an angry pack, probably gossiped together as well.

Hopefully it all calms down later. You did your best to try and spend time with them after all.

Gods this was easier when they were all just traveling companions and not psudo-wives.

>>1960648
I know and I respect that but it's just the way they are phrasing it and everything. Calling us a liar when, at least in the case of what I said, I made it absolutely clear that she was once, and arguably still is, a "human" mind.

>>1960656
Though that might have been your intent, to start with you made it seem a lot more like you treated it as a "pre-war ZAX" rather than as a person, specifically a female you went on a 'date' with

The impression was heavily that you saw it more as an 'it' until you slowly started calling it 'her' and mentioned a woman's brain at the helm. 'Dealing' is also a lot different from 'dating' as that practically gives away sentience and attraction.

Rolled 40 (1d100)

>>1959428
>>BIO RESEARCH
>cures for post-war diseases
You practically have all of them to be honest, with your incredible and amazing medical knowledge and technology coupled with Diana's research.

The ones you don't have are mostly the far flung and unconfirmed diseases. . .or perhaps, diseases you have not encountered yet.

Or almost impossible to cure diseases like Ghoulism. Efforts were attempted to try and graft new skin on a Ghoul, but the skin just rotted and became like the rest of the Ghoul.

>Rolling for reasons

Rolled 44 (1d100)

>>1960687
I just realized, we never rolled for the action

>>1960691
Now would be a good time. Most of the other actions are now less roll based due to stocked up assets and abilities.

Rolled 38 (1d100)

>>1960692
here we go, set sell for fail.

>>1960671
Yeah I can see how that'd do it...

>>1960687
Well that is good to know.

Rolled 26 (1d100)

>>1960692
Third roll to move things along

Rolled 24 (1d100)

>>1960692
time for a nat 1

Rolled 9 (1d100)

>>1960784
>time for a nat 1
Ill give it my best.

Rolled 65 (1d100)

>>1960692
Watch This Nat 100 roll

Rolled 31 (1d100)

>>1960844
Pft, watch this Nat 100 roll

Rolled 79 (1d100)

>>1960692
losers

>>1960687
The idea is proposed, rather than cure every individual disease (and have no response to new diseases of which there currently is no cure) why not invent some kind of "universal cure"

Several approaches are being made toward this:

RND considers it might be possible to theoretically design a chemical based "universal cure". One that, if not cure ghoulism, also prevent it. Diana would like to support such a hypothesis, but the implication of the research is that it would take time and "a lot of animals" which she isn't too fond of but will provide. This could take at least five years..

However, it would be sped up if we acquired a number of normal human test subjects, subjected them to diseases and cures, and figured out. Then it might only at most 3 years. Maybe.

RND also thinks there may be a Vault out there working on a cure-all too with research already available.

AHS-9 and the forecaster propose a different solution. According to him there are several "legendary artifacts" out there:
-The Elixir of Life may be held by the BoS according to rumors he's ordained from the free'd MLA slaves
-There is a group out there searching for the "vessel of life giving water". They both don't know where they are, but can suggest a potential path to find them.

AHS-9 has a particular interest in the cure. Every day he faces the risk of Ghoulism through regular exposure to Zeta Radiation, though he takes his Rad-X and Radaway.

Ghoulism has long been thought of as an incurable, preventable disease. Microbes can be killed and bodily organs rejuvinzed, but degregation to the DNA structure of the individual is particularly difficult. Diana even ponders if either the Cure or the Elixir of Life would work.

Unity proposes a third option: more FEV reseaerch. The FEV is the ultimate of diseases, rendering every other disease moot to both super mutants and herself. Her strain causes mass deformation, but if it could be cured. . .

These are the options currently proposed for some of the diseases you are currently not able to cure.

>>1960986
>but degregation to the DNA structure of the individual is particularly difficult.
If the DNA structure is damaged, why not repair it? Is that not a potential path?

>>1960988
In the case of Ghouls, it's like an intense version of cancer. You might cure some of the DNA cells in one place, but the rest of the body will corrupt it.

And its not currently feasible to rewrite every single piece of DNA inside a person at the same time.

FEV does have the strength to override the bodies own DNA and rewrite it, as a vessel of change.

>>1960986
I got a fever. And the only prescription is more FEV research.

This is literally the end-all be-all solution. Might as well get on with it.

>>1960988
With DNA degredation you are talking about fixing brakes and missing info you have no way of knowing. The only solution would be to try and piece together the full sequence of every patient individually and go from there. And even if we were to do that you end up with the FEV anyway. Except you have to make specific alterations for every individual patient (it gets really complex really fast).
This is also the problem with the FEV itself (remember all the mutants look the same?) so if we do broadband alterations it has to be somehting small and not that ifferent from the normal host (morphologically speaking) or you end up with everybody looking the same or altering the virus for every single individual. Not to mention the virus not being big enough to do it all at once so you have to go through multiple treatments (you can see where this is going).

So, to summarize, go with FEV and figure out the PanImmunityVirus aspect and enjoy disease-free life until your immune system has no more things to react to and you develope autoimmune diseases and allergies. #FUN

>>1960986
I vote for more FEV research

>>1960986
The NCRs Doctor hologram might have a unique insight on the matter.

FEV was originally meant to be a retro-virus feedback loop to accelerate evolution. And it’s a good idea, in theory. Unfortunately the actual effects of the virus are somewhat negative.

But if it could be limited, and controlled to produce specific effects based on conformational changes to small effector molecules it could be enourmously useful.

Unfortunately in Fallout this type of research requires DNA undamaged by radiation or airborne FEV exposure. Which means vault dwellers.

We have a potential work around in that Diana has cloning tanks capable of producing pure strains of any animal or plant.

An option not yet discussed is the Children of the Atom, some of whom display complete immunity to radiation. I personally suspect this to be a latent psionic effect. Still it’s worth looking into.

Another idea for ghoulism is taking our best guess of the subjects dna after cutting away the ghoulifying sections and replacing them with pure stock dna. You then clone that individual and perform a brain transplant. It’s clunky, but it might work.

In summary I support FEV research, but with the caveat that it’s a bleak rabbit hole to fall into. It has after all lead to the ruin of many a faction, and is none to popular.

>>1961019
>But if it could be limited, and controlled to produce specific effects based on conformational changes to small effector molecules
Dude, did you diagonally read a wiki and put words down that seemed cool to you? :)

This is so random it hurts. The conformational changes to a molecule can have an effect but that is not the only way. Changing the length or data of an mRNA (DNA) can have just as much if not more of an effect (the active binding site no longer functioning despite the same conformation). Likewise, the introduction of new peptides is just as much an option.

Nice try for bonus points though.

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>>1959428
>>CIV
>Clone the think tank bodies and put them in it- take a DNA sample from some of the connective tissue in their brain so its them

>Klein
"WHAT! THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS! WE COULD NEVER AGREE TO SUCH A THING"

>Borous
"Lobotomite forms are OBSOLETE! They need to SLEEP, and EAT, and are unable to see their own brains!"

>Dr. Dala
"Although the idea intrigues me, I'm not sure how I'd react. My brain, being in a body full of. . .organs again. Living breathing organs, in such close proximity. . ."

>Dr 0
"Gross. Put me in a robot body instead, like the one I have right now!"

>Dr. 8
[Dr. 8 Noises] (that means "why?")

>what do?

>>1960986
The FEV option matters the most.

>>1961060
Think about it. A brain can only do a set amount of research at a time. If you add a body, you effectively double the SCIENCE™ you can do (assuming we are setting them up like the Courier himself is)!

DOUBLE THE SCIENCE!!

>>1961035
... with all due respect I am very much aware of all of that.

I just didnt want to write a giant essay concerning all the many and varied ways to alter DNA and RNA. Especially since we are talking about a fictional super virus where all or none of those methods might apply.

Binding custom protiens to specific promoter regions of FEV to block their expression just seemed like the easiest and most attainable way of isolating its specific functions without delving too deeply into it.

Its also useful to bear in mind that FEV (according to the wiki) acts nothing like a traditional virus.

>>1961060
Spin it in such a way that they will be able to interact with the world more easily. Iirc we never fixed their interface issues after alien crash. That way they will be able to more closely conduct their experiments and conduct science

>>1961070
We probably arent though becayse their brainstem is gone, and that is needed for the seperated brain&body.

>>1961060
As scientists, are you just going to reject a unique opportunity for a whole new perspective? I thought science was about discovering the unknown? Are you just going to ignore the fact you don't know what its like to be human?

>>1961082
Making knockouts is an okay way to find out what every gene (or combination of them) does but considering the fact that the FEV recombines so many regions (multiple times over the lifespan, appearantly) it is a futile effort. How the hell we are supposed to approach this besides starting fresh I dont know but trying to map it seems a waste of time when it constantly shifts.

Also, glad to see another appreciator of the finer points of biology.

>>1961060
ah sweet kek my sides.

"oh, i didnt realize you were all so scared of an experiment. nevermind. I suppose we will leave the shoals of neurologocal bi locality unexplored. A shame, if only we had the courage to face these questions head on..."

>>1961104
The brainstem is also needed for important things like breathing and pumping blood, so I dont see the body working without it. Ergo, two entities for the price of one.

>>1961110
May not be brainstem, but for the seperate body thing, there needs to be a connection with a bit of brain left after brain removal. That bit is gone, and we cant make a connection with a different persons bit of brain.

Would have to be full human.

>>1961105
yeah, its clunky and slow.

but it might be the nest we can do atm. unless we somehow find a treasure trove of existing research. which is indeed out there. Mariposa, The enclave, the institute, and others have all researched it before us.

yeah, Biochem is my field. Masters degree never ;_; been stuck with a shitty aliquoting position that makes me want to die. permanent temp position. meanwhile my cousin learns welding and pulls down 3x my pay as a boilermaker. fuck this gay earth.

>>1961070
>Borous
"Hmmmm. To keep the Brain Stem in the body, while the rest of the brain remains independant?"

>Dr 0
"That would mean our consciousness would primarily be in the meatbags, while the rest of our brain would act on a more processor basis."

>Klein
"IT'S STILL DISGUSTING. IMAGINE, FUMBLING AROUND OUR LAB EQUIPMENT WITH THOSE PENIS EXTREMETIES. GIVE ME A PAIR OF MECHANICAL CLASPERS ANYDAY!"

>Dr. Dala
"Dr. Klein, it does have some obvious benefit. You'd be able to reach around and adjust the dials on your back for instance. A fault of our current arm designs."

>Klein
"THAT IS NO FAULT! OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A PURPOSE TO OUR ARMS HAVING A MAXIMUM RANGE OF MOTION. OTHERWISE WHY WOULD THEY BE ANY DIFFERENT?"

>con't

>>1961211
"Who's to say you can't have Mechanical claspers while in an organic body Dr. Klein?"

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>>1961104
>>1961109
Hmmm

>>1961211
Klein, is it really the scientific way to dig your heels in when considering other possibilities, beliecing the way thigs are are perfect by the fact that that is gow they are? Im sorry but that attitude is nore in line with what I expect from a beurocrat.

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>>1961254
Dude, that's not how you convince scientist.
Ya gotta go
"Guys! Guys, i got a great idea listen."
"What if... we put robot parts... on an organic body?"

>>1961141
Biomed masters here. Can confirm shit pay but at least I am working on cancer targeting so its intresting.

>>1961262
Well that doesn't attack the root of the problem, which is Klein's "this way is right because its how its done" circular reasoning.

If you want to convince a scientist, call him a beurocrat. An administrative stooge who exists only to chain down proper, inquisitive scientists.

>>1961232
Dr. Dala, Dr. 8, and Dr. Borous are convinced.

Dr. 0 states he wishes to remain in his robotic form, to be closer to the very machines he holds dear.

Dr. Klein refuses, stating that he can't well be "Chief Scientist" if he's not a robot.

3 out of 5 is not bad. Your Brain feels Dr. 0 is the least disturbed of them all.

But your Courier pride just won't allow you to not get all 5!

>Settle for 3 out of 5. Maybe the other two will come to terms
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.

>>1961351
Well, once we put Klein into organic body we can upgrade it with cyber augments as needed. Maybe show reavers as an example?
Best of 2 worlds

>>1961351
>settle

perhaps the other two will be convinced after they get left behind in terms of productivity

>>1961351
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.

Point out to Dr. Klein that by having his brain separate and form / display it's own consciousness, he'd have someone on his level of thought who understands his theories and he can debate with. Basically appeal to his pride and imply that it is the only way he'll find an equal in this world and that it would help him do more science since he'd be able to bounce ideas off his brain.

Explain to Dr. 0 that if he becomes human then he'll be able to engage in new experiences that would help him think up new robot designs and innovations...also that being human and having his brain separate would give him another person that sees the world in the same way and can help him develop new ideas / robots.


Lastly, point out that we aren't going to force them to remain in these forms. We just want them to try it for a month and see how they feel about it. If they don't enjoy it, we can put them back in their bodies or perhaps even some new, better body.

>>1961351
>Settle for 3 out of 5. Maybe the other two will come to terms

>>1961362
>>1961372
>DR KLEIN
"DO I STILL GET TO BE HEAD OF RESEARCH? NOT THAT YOU HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER, BUT HYPOTHEORETICALLY SPEAKING!"

>Dr 0
"I'm quit content in my current form. I actually feel becoming a lobotomite would be more of a distraction, even if I get the extra help. . .but I suppose I could give it a test. A small one. Temporary."

>>1961351
>Figure out a way to convince Dr. Klein or Dr. 0.
Convince klein by appealing to his sciebtific pride- a true scientist would try to experience the ubkown like this, and refusing for with an aministration excuse is anti-science.

0 is fine i guess. He was never that crazy, just a bit neurotic.

>>1961386
>"DO I STILL GET TO BE HEAD OF RESEARCH? NOT THAT YOU HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER, BUT HYPOTHEORETICALLY SPEAKING!"
"You would still be head of research, yes."

>"I'm quit content in my current form. I actually feel becoming a lobotomite would be more of a distraction, even if I get the extra help. . .but I suppose I could give it a test. A small one. Temporary."
"That is all I ask."

>>1961386
Yes. Klein will still be head researcher.

>>1961386
Of course, Klein.

Before we go ahead with this, can we experiment on raiders and psychos from Montana first?

Speaking of which, what's our rep among raiders there? I know we go there for samples whenever we need to do some unethical research.

>>1961060
I'm actually a bit confused. Are we putting the brains into the bodies or are we connecting them with tesla coils.

>>1961411
>Before we go ahead with this, can we experiment on raiders and psychos from Montana first?
Certainly, I assume you are talking about developing a universal cure? Fact is that if we can make a universal cure, and have it be replicator-producible, then we can have our mobile replicators cure entire towns of diseases.

>Speaking of which, what's our rep among raiders there? I know we go there for samples whenever we need to do some unethical research.
They don't know it's us yet but they know someone is wiping out groups and ain't leaving any corpses from their side. Probably think it's the BOS but still.

>>1961417
Tesla coils. The majority of their brain will still be separate (and might develop it's own inteligence) but their consciousness will be centred over their human bodies.

>>1961425
Well we pretty much have a cure for everything as is, so we already have the capabilities for goodwill tours. If needed, we can do some research for anything new that pops up, but refular stuff is handled already.

>>1961425
No, I mean experimenting with raiders if debraining them, then cloning a body and connecting with tesla coils works. Or have we done so already?

>>1961462
I think we have a pretty good idea how the tesla coils work.
If we werent sure if this was possible, the qm would say something.

>>1961440
I know but it's far easier to just mass produce one drug / chemical to cure everything than it is to identify, produce and distribute the correct drug for every disease.

>>1961462
Nah that ain't needed as far as I'm aware.

>>1961472
If we were making it traditionally, yes. But if were replicating it, a vial full of cure A costs similiar materialz as a vial of cure B, so it would be pretty cheap regardless.

>>1961476
Nah my point is that with traditional drugs, we need to know what is wrong with the person and that'd require either our medical personnel or a local knowledge of the disease's true nature for us to identify it from. Whereas with a cure-all, we just need to make that one drug and everything else is fine.

Also another way we could improve our medicine: we need to sequence the genomes of our citizens and figure out what the data relates to. As this would allow us to personalise treatment: diet, drugs and more or less anything else around their actual physical needs.

It would also help us identify genetic diseases, beneficial mutations and such to either extract or treat by retro virus.

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Dr. Klein and Dr. 0 agree.

That makes five of the original think tank members.

There is a sixth one. . .and he has been most helpful, but you want to get it right with these five first.

Now begins an effort to actually clone their bodies. Previously, this would have taken significant research. But not with Diana's nursery.

Wisely you realize the first part is kicking your companions out of their homes in the Higg's village. With what's left of the construction crews not at work on the major giant project, you just build them superior housing somewhere else.

You clone their five bodies, using their genetic material from their brain and the genetic data given to Diana, she makes adult sized clones of them back at the nursery. With the one modification: empty skulls. As the Think Tank would say, the "skinvelopes" are then cryogenically brought back to BigMT via your UFO.

Next comes the surgery.

>>1961721
>inb4 they fuck each other to death.

>>1961733
>Brain
"If things go wrong, we turn them into lobotomites, and that is the 4th most likely possibility"

>You
[What's the first?]

>Brain
"They eat each other."

>>1961739
That's not disturbing at all. I'm excited about having them integrate better with our scientists, im hoping this will lead to that.

>>1961739
Exactly how much do we pay therapists?
Cause we need to pay them more.

>>1961816
Well seeing as our psychs and docs are the same people, probably pretty good.

>>1961721
There is only one man more qualified than all the Auto-Docs and Medical Robots of BigMT combined.

And that is the goddamn Courier.

Thanks to your abdunance of medical staff, advanced and partly alien equipment, and the input of Diana, you pull off the surgery without a hitch. Making sure to implant both the Teleportation Wireless Transmitter as well as the Tesla Coil emergency backup system, you separate the small parts of brain and spine from the rest of the Grey Matter, placing them back into the robots while attaching the smaller bits to the body and suturing.

And now you wait, allowing their bodies to fully heal before awakening them.

---

The reactions were interesting to say the least. Like babies who had just been born, they learned how to breath again, taking in gasps fulls of air with open mouths, as instinct slowly kicked in. Moaning, groaning, trying to find their voices and eyes frantically searched the room.

You help them up, legs wobbly like newborn Brahmin, trying to find their bearing.

They slowly relearn everything, and when the shock wears over, it's Dr. 8 who figures out how to speak again.

>Dr. 8
"Heh. . .looow? Hellloooo? Hello. *ahem* I . . .feel . . .I don't know"

>Dr. 0
"M-mehhh. .My throat. . .it feels odd. I need something."

>You
[Water. You're thirsty. Drink]

You give them small sips of water. Not a lot, in case they choke on it (a few of them do, and you teach them how to cough again).

---

It takes a day, but eventually the forgotten memories of times long past return. Basic muscle memories and activities of daily living. The Think Tank's shock wears off, and soon they become intrigued at the feeling of being in the human body again. Particularly Dr. Dala, who you watch, almost sensually, savoring every sip of water, every bite of food, every breath, touching things and her own body.

>Dr. 8
"I never knew how much we were missing, until we were whole again"

>Dr. 0
"This is a very surprising experience, but I can't say its unpleasant."

>Dr. Borous
"I can feel it. My mind is expanding. I remember. . .we were scientists! Yes, even before the Think Tank. Before the. . .the. . ."

>Dr. Klein
"The war. The war that destroyed the world. I remember now"

You stand by and help the Think Tank adjust.

>Dr Dala
"You don't look like Dr. Mobius. He had a beard, and he was shorter than you. And he didn't have so much muscles. . ." without hesitation Dr. Dala begins rubbing on your chest, feeling your almost steel like abdominal muscles.

>Dr. 0
"Something seems . . .off Dr. Dala"

>Dr Dala
"Why" she says "I've studied skinvelope interaction. This is exactly what they do, using tactile touch to. . .get a physical dimension of other skinvelopes"

>Dr. Klein
"I seem to remember a distinct difference between the interactions of skinvelopes and, what's the word, oh yes 'people' Dr. Dala."

--

>What do?

>>1961956
"Well it's good to see my theory that restoring your physical forms would fix the mental recursion loop.

Now, I feel you are all owed an explanation as to what has and is happening so ask your questions and I will attempt to answer them as well as I can. Starting with Dr Dala, you are correct in your assessment: I am not Dr. Mobius."


Good?

>>1961994
Ill support that.

>>1961994
How about we consult with brain first in case we start saying things that could be harmful for us.
Not saying I don't like your suggestion, just as a precaution

>>1962039
Fair enough.

>>1962039
>Brain
"Tough question. There are so many unforseeable things here that could feasibly go wrong. My suggestion is whatever you do, keep the Think Tank on your side, as always."

>>1961994
Supporting. Honesty is the best policy here.

>>1962085
Thanks.

Eh, let's go with >>1961994
explain them why we did what we did

OP are you there?

>>1961994
You explain to the think tank in little bits. About what you found out, that they were prewar scientists from the United States of America, which helps to unlock their memories. Each of them survived the war in the robot bodies they had become so familiar with, to the point that they had lost their "humanity".

Yes, the war. The Great War. The War between the Commonwealth and China where the nuclear missiles destroyed the whole world.

The pieces seem to fall in place, and despite their lapses in memory, their skill as as some of the most brilliant scientists shines as they slowly make deductions. Correct deductions for the most part, fitting in the missing pieces.

>Dr. 8
"I suspect that you are not the real Dr. Mobius"

>You
[Correct. I'm sorry. The real Dr. Mobius felt that, with your complete dislocation from humanity, you might have presented a huge threat to the world with the power you wielded. Keeping BigMT isolated prevented what he saw as a major catastrophe.]

>Dr. Klein
"How dare he! Science should never be bounded even by such paltry things as 'ethics'!"

>Dr. 0
"Um, maybe I'm alone here guys but what if Mobius was right. I mean. . .Klein, and I'm not sure if those are our real names, now that I think about it, we sort of did go a bit crazy."

>Dr. Klein
"Bah! The only one who went mad was him of course! Him and his schemes to take over the Dome"

>Dr. Dala
"But if that was all a ruse, then that would perfectly support the sudden shift we've seen in his methods. Relying on this. . ."

>You
[Courier. President Courier. You no longer have to touch me if you wish]

Dala doesn't. "'President' Courier. I like the sound of that."

>Dr. 0
"Wait, so are you actually the President of the United States?"

>You
[Actually . . .it's a long story . . .]

>>1962456
Im hype

gonna be away for a bit

>>1962699
What a tease.

>>1962456
Technically Executor Courier

We do have the 'official' US President kicking around though - at least if you follow the Enclave's order of succession

>>1962699
When the QM is gone for over 4 hours

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For now, you allow the Think Tank some time to recover, live in their old homes, regain some of their memories.

Dr. Dala says she doesn't remember her home smelling so, distinct. . .you send in the cleaner bots a second time.

Slowly they'll hopefully regain all their memories or at least most.

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Meanwhile
-Look around the military base for interesting intel or fun goodies
>ZAX RESEARCH
Take a look at all the new weapons we captured with the military base- the emp rockets, pop-up missles, plasma defeders, etc.

You start by investigating several of the available defenses and military units already present in the Divide. Starting with the Robot Drone Tanks.

According to technical details, though its armor, armament, and size are less than those of the standard American Tank, it is still a tank (or a tankette) in its own right. It uses some very advanced constructive materials, like the kind the rest of the Divide base is made of. Chemical analysis indicates a definitive connection to alien metal.

That seems to imply the Old World governments had a knowledge of alien technology.

The Drones themselves are hovercraft particularly resistant to corossion from acid, rust, radiation, and even have a slight emp advantage (though not invulnerable) over your typical robot. Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon. Its tactical mode was to use strength of numbers, expendability, and speed and mobility to match the Chinese Tanks far superior armor strength and numbers. A cannon fodder for tanks if you will, but not so easily ignored.

They are fully automated with basic combat programming.

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>>1963918
The Enforcer MK2's are a bit more interesting.

Larger than the "Robot Tanks" they are also slightly more well armored, and have a much more powerful cold fusion reactor in each one. This powers the extremely advanced plasma technology housed within the unit.

Its by far the biggest plasma weapon you've ever seen. An entire plasma cannon, not a rifle, able to fire a big burst the size of a man at tremendous speeds. Or, a shorter range continous plamsa-thrower 10 times more effective than mere flame, though far more localized than fire and with less spread.

But the most notable test came from the group exercise. When five or seven plasma shots strike the exact same target, at the exact same time, under the right coditions . . .

"RUN! GET OUT OF THE WAY MOVE!"

The resulting phenomenon is known as a "Plasma Storm". This temporarily sustained plasmic reaction manifests in a huge, devastating sphere of Plasma which rolls on the ground in a chaotic and unpredictable manner. Lasting for a few terrifying seconds, the intense heat can burn man and material even without actually touching the sphere of death, until it vanishes in an almost blinding light.

That explains the bizarre scorch marks and craters, and why there was practically nothing left during the initial divide base probes.

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>>1963965
The Lockdown MLRS is a "mobile defense platform". A lightly armored, but highly effective unit able to transport extremely powerful ordnance. It has two modes, one which fires a succession of many EMP Rockets, or two extremely powerful HE Rockets from very long range with incredible accuracy. The main drawbacks are its relative vulnerability to heavy enemy arms fire, and that the missiles do not track targets so are more effective on static positions.

still here still writing

>>1963965
>>1964063
Very nice.

These vehicles are manned, correct?

>>1963918
>According to technical details, though its armor, armament, and size are less than those of the standard American Tank, it is still a tank (or a tankette) in its own right. It uses some very advanced constructive materials, like the kind the rest of the Divide base is made of. Chemical analysis indicates a definitive connection to alien metal.
How does it compare to the NCR's tanks? How easily could we produce them and are there any regards in which we are superior to it? E,g the fact we have actual alien metal and shit or our research into better computers?

>That seems to imply the Old World governments had a knowledge of alien technology.
We need to find that one signal's source...get ourselves an alien tech expert from pre-war from cryo and whatever shit is left in her facility.

>Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon.
What kind of shells can it fire? What calibre? How does this compare to the NCR's tanks? Does it replicate it's own ammo or does it have a limited number of shells?

>>1963965
>That explains the bizarre scorch marks and craters, and why there was practically nothing left during the initial divide base probes.
Well this seems like a potential superweapon in the making...maybe an entire air-cruiser built around supercharging the effect into some sort of beam or cannon? Maybe a wave...

>>1964063
Does it have any AA abilities?

>>1964211
The base used them all against us so I suspect they are entirely automated or at least can be used remotely.

Friendly reminder we need to get to Hawaii before the NCR does to prevent them from accessing that military base thats located there.

They have already retrofitted / repaired a battleship to make the journey.

>>1964221
Its a plasma cannon. It shoots plasma. From the fusion core.

>>1964249
Agreed but we can't go by air as we saw with the satellite we tried to send that way.

Easiest method that I can think of would be to get a dozen replicator behemoths through the Legion using our relations / potential alliance with the MLA as a cover. If we make these dozen waterproof, they could walk straight into the ocean and get to work building a concealed sub-marine / underwater dock and base from which we could construct an entirely automated submarine(s?) equipped with an infantry sized teleporter and replication ability to make the journey.

Then it's just a matter of teleportation across as the Courier and dealing with the situation. Depending on if there even is one, as it is entirely possible that Hawaii has been nuked to shit, that our sub gets intercepted or that the base is entirely deactivated / derelict in which case we just assume control.

This would also be an excellent time to mention that we'd probably want to do this either way since the potential utility to "terror from the deep" the shit out of the NCR's coastline can't be denied in terms of material, morale, logistical and other forms of damage. Such as offering an easy way to send forces to attack the Shi and secure their emperor / ZAX.

>>1964255
I fail to see what you are on about.

>>1964286
I mean, I'm still partial to the idea of us grabbing our own battleship and putting in our airship engine into it and create a flying battleship yamamoto style, but that's not really practical.

Subs seem cool.

>>1964340
I want to do that too and would point something out: There are numerous warships that were sunk in real life and never reclaimed or salvaged. Such as, for example, the Japanese battleship Yamato which, with modernisation by us could certainly outperform the NCR's especially when backed by all the other ships we could get.

Subs are also useful because they are intended to not be detected which suits us since we don't want to reveal us having naval assets before we are firing on their cities or turning their battleship into scrap.

>>1964286
>Easiest method that I can think of would be to get a dozen replicator behemoths through the Legion using our relations / potential alliance with the MLA as a cover. If we make these dozen waterproof, they could walk straight into the ocean and get to work building a concealed sub-marine / underwater dock and base from which we could construct an entirely automated submarine(s?) equipped with an infantry sized teleporter and replication ability to make the journey.
>Easiest

Dude, how about we just take our flyer, strap a portal to it and thread the proverbial needle and get there ourselves, at which point we fire up the portal and bring in the bots. You are not using the advantage we have.

As to subs and the like, why even bother? Make a few bots to attack underwater, sure, but why a sub when we are capable of making flying weapons platforms with relative ease. As to modernizing ships, the exact same point. Why make a ship if we can make a flying transport craft. And why retrofit a naval craft when we can make a new and better one ourselves?

>>1964286
>What kind of shells can it fire? What calibre? How does this compare to the NCR's tanks? Does it replicate it's own ammo or does it have a limited number of shells?

It fires plasma, not shells
its the size of a man, but its a glob of plasma, no calibre
man sized plasma is better than WW2 tank shell
It shoots plasma- as long as there is energy in the reactor it keeps shooting.

>>1964286
The legion territory is to the West. How will sending behemoths through there get them under water on the west coast?
Not even getting into the fact that replicators might not work underwater, or the weapons don't function.

>>1964483
*to the East

>>1964432
>Dude, how about we just take our flyer, strap a portal to it and thread the proverbial needle and get there ourselves, at which point we fire up the portal and bring in the bots. You are not using the advantage we have.
Sure and while we're at it why don't we go and destroy the NCR battleship too? Cause that'd be easier and safer than defeating whatever AA system detected and eliminated our satellite during it's pass over head.

Fact is we could attempt what you are suggesting but it is too risky given we'd potentially lose the Courier and the Scoutship.

>As to subs and the like, why even bother? Make a few bots to attack underwater, sure, but why a sub when we are capable of making flying weapons platforms with relative ease.
Subs allow for far heavier weapons and utility than any bot could. Also we can't produce flying weapon platforms "with ease" seeing as they require a large power source which is generally either expensive or not something we are happy to let our enemies know we have.

>As to modernising ships, the exact same point. Why make a ship if we can make a flying transport craft. And why retrofit a naval craft when we can make a new and better one ourselves?
Ships are cheaper to power, don't use tech we want to keep a secret and in regards to retrofitting: it doesn't matter if we can make better if our goal is purely to get to the Hawaiian islands and to combat the WW 2 level navy of the NCR by dragging hulks from the depths to throw at them. We can make better shit later if we genuinely need it but all we need is some slug throwers to bombard the coast, destroy ships and transport stuff.

>>1964477
I am talking about the drone tank, not the plasma tank. Your reading comprehension is entirely useless.

>>1964483
>The legion territory is to the West. How will sending behemoths through there get them under water on the west coast?
If you had so much as referred to the map OP provided recently you would be aware the Legion has a border with the western sea to our south.

>Not even getting into the fact that replicators might not work underwater, or the weapons don't function.
The replicators will function underwater. Or else they wouldn't function in air.

As to the weapons, that matters why? They would be being escorted by their squads of robots which could almost certainly hold their own against anything they'd likely face.

>>1964497
You realize that ends up on the wrong side of the Baja peninsula right? So getting them from the legion territory to the place where the battleship is would take forever, assuming they don't run out of power or something.

And how would something not work in water, mean it doesn't work in air?

>>1964510
>You realise that ends up on the wrong side of the Baja peninsula right?
Yeah and it's an additional 1,220 (roughly) km on a 4,346 km journey. It's a significant increase on any sorts of potential travel time but to be frank an acceptable compromise compared to the only alternatives which are leaving Hawaii until we've got a connection to the sea or tunnelling under the NCR.

>So getting them from the legion territory to the place where the battleship is would take forever, assuming they don't run out of power or something.
Two things:

1) Essentially every model of our robots can be left on for 200+ years if it has the fission battery.

2) The battleship ain't the goal right now, Hawaii is. The battleship was just an example of something else we could hit with the facility once we have it set up.

>And how would something not work in water, mean it doesn't work in air?
Well, how about you explain why water is different from air for whatever reason? What makes YOU think that it would prevent the replicator working?

>>1964527
>Well, how about you explain why water is different from air for whatever reason? What makes YOU think that it would prevent the replicator working?
Water can mess with the calibration of the atom laying part because of it's different heat capacity or viscosity or the fact it's a liquid can interfere with any number of things

>>1964539
> Water messes with the calibration of the part that places the atoms down, because it was designed to work in air?
Why would water mess with it's calibration? What logic is there to assume it would beyond your belief it would?

>Or water messes with a hot element or something with it's different specific heat.
If that was the case then it wouldn't work in air or literally any material either.

>There are a lot of ways that high tech items can work in air and not in water.
There are also loads that do.

>>1964527
Ok dude, shit arguments and plain browbeating.

What you want to do is waste resources on some pet project, the goals of which we can accomplish with the flyer and a portal in a month. The resources and time you want to throw at this are far better spent on development back home. As to your point on "subs are better than robots", why is that, exactly? We can load up a few small bots with the exact same weapons and they are not only far cheaper but far more disposable than a hulk 50 times the size. Might be a good thing for the NCR but isnt for us. And you have to realize that us making a flying carrier for the same amount of resources is a far better use. Especially since the sub is confined to the sea, whereas a flying unit has no such restriction.

And you want to go around the south to do it? Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.

>>1964544
Take a 3D printer, and turn it on in a pool, and come back to me on how very precise things operate under water just the same as in air.

>>1964543
Then by that logic the replicators shouldn't have worked in the Cloud.

>>1964546
>Ok dude, shit arguments and plain browbeating.
I fail to see how I threatened you and I fail to see how my arguments are "shit".

>What you want to do is waste resources on some pet project, the goals of which we can accomplish with the flyer and a portal in a month.
At great risk for no apparent reason...

>The resources and time you want to throw at this are far better spent on development back home.
Mate where did I imply that this would stop development at home? How would it stop development at home when all it would take is a turn or two of passive robot production?

>As to your point on "subs are better than robots", why is that, exactly?
Subs are larger and generally more aqua-dynamically shaped.

>We can load up a few small bots with the exact same weapons and they are not only far cheaper but far more disposable than a hulk 50 times the size.
Ignoring the problems with powering those weapons, the fact that you are spending far more on engine systems / propulsion, the need for more computing power, the repeated sets of communications systems and all that stuff that makes it much more expensive? Yeah, I suppose that would make them more disposable.

>Might be a good thing for the NCR but isn't for us. And you have to realise that us making a flying carrier for the same amount of resources is a far better use.
Except it'd be far from the same amount of resources given the fact you'd need to power whatever is lifting your flying carrier.

Weight = mass x gravity is an immutable rule of the universe and you can't really get around that.

>Especially since the sub is confined to the sea, whereas a flying unit has no such restriction.
Except in the cases like it going to Hawaii, where we know something destroyed the thing we had flying through the air, or near the NCR / MLA-Legion / BOS, since we don't want them to know about us being able to do that yet or in places like Texas which has nuclear tornadoes that would rip it apart.

>And you want to go around the south to do it? Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.
And you want to fly a unknown gauntlet of the best pre-war AA weapons? "Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.". At least the only problem with mine is that it could take a fair bit of time, compared to you who wants to fly a literal suicide mission.

>>1964563
You are the one who claimed that a replicator wouldn't work underwater, the burden of proof lies with you. Also, a 3 D printer is so far from a replicator that I actually want to laugh at you for the mere concept.

However, I point you to this 3d printing method:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3TgmvV2ElQ

Seeing as it works off of light, assuming the density of the resin is greater than water, it wouldn't be effected.

>>1963918
>The Drones themselves are hovercraft particularly resistant to corossion from acid, rust, radiation, and even have a slight emp advantage (though not invulnerable) over your typical robot. Its cannon is a force to be reckoned with, but it is only armed with a cannon. Its tactical mode was to use strength of numbers, expendability, and speed and mobility to match the Chinese Tanks far superior armor strength and numbers. A cannon fodder for tanks if you will, but not so easily ignored.
Damn, that was my idea for a light tank.
At least we don't have to research it now.

>>1964774
Yeah I know right? I mean I'd like to try and improve it where and if we can but still this sounds like a pretty solid vehicle.


I mostly want to know how it compares to the NCR's current tanks.

>>1964775
>Yeah I know right? I mean I'd like to try and improve it where and if we can but still this sounds like a pretty solid vehicle.
No i mean it's EXACTLY the light tank design i was gonna recommend we design in the future, it's Speed and maneuverability superiority and it's strength of numbers.
I'm spooked, QM took my idea.

>>1964775
But yea, this is a pretty good tank design to have, we should build it alongside some of these.
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_bike_(Tiberium_Wars)
http://cnc.wikia.com/wiki/Raider_buggy_(Tiberium_Wars)

>>1964776
Well it's a fairly simple concept. Like making a robotic T-34.

>>1964777
Eh, attack bikes can probably be replaced with air drones and raider buggies probably would be pretty good.

>>1964777

>>1964778
>Eh, attack bikes can probably be replaced with air drones and raider buggies probably would be pretty good.
But we already have the BoS hoverbike we can research, just slap some MLA missile launchers and we got an excellent cannon fodder anti-air vehicle to accompany our hovertanks.
Why not have it?

>>1964779
Because it seems like it might be risky to deploy our troops using it but I see what you mean, for light / scouting units it would be pretty nice.

>>1964782
>Because it seems like it might be risky to deploy our troops using it
Why not just make it a robot controlled vehicle like the hover tanks?

>>1964784
because at the point it's like one of our air force drones but it can't fly.

>>1964788
I don't see how they are the same.

>>1964793
They both hover, are entirely robotic / automated and are designed to perform a combat role with similar weapons.

>>1964795
>with similar weapons.
This is the part i disagree with, the Attack bikes have anti-air missile launchers, which are very different from the Eyebot's lasers.
I do see how everything else is the same, so if you can put a missile launcher on an Eyebot I'll scrap the attack bike design.

>>1964799
On an eyebot? No. On our air force drones that are roughly the size of a securitron? Certainly.

>>1964799
Raider buggies have to be kept though, if we can make them truck sized and have modular weapon mounts they can not only be multi-purpose escorts and cannon fodder, but also have enough room to fit a Dr. Mobois teleporter variant.

>>1964801
We don't have Airforce drones, i do remember an anon posting designs but i don't think we can make them until we research them.

>>1964803
We did research them. Everything about them was fine except for a bit of miscommunication resulting in the bomber design becoming essentially a guided missile.

>>1964804
Oh, alright then.
Kinda weirded out by the air drone serving a recon and cannon fodder role for both air forces and ground forces. I think it's the C&C fanboy in me that's causing that.

>>1964805
Eh, technically speaking the "scout" drone would probably be the sensor carrier but those are not only the size of an actual jet / plane but also more expensive (they make up for that by essentially being outfitted with our best sensors and relaying that data back to either a tending craft or base for processing).

However as to cannon fodder, that is what the "fighter" air drone is for: local air superiority, ground support, interception and, in theory, anti-missile work.

>>1964587
>Mate where did I imply that this would stop development at home?
The time on the replicators and multiple constructors worth of material, thrown into the sea for kicks and shiggles.

>>1964587
>Subs are larger and generally more aqua-dynamically shaped.
Wow, "its big and speedy-shaped"? Considering powering and maneuvering a smaller craft is far easier, small wins out.

>>1964587
>Ignoring the problems with powering those weapons, the fact that you are spending far more on engine systems / propulsion, the need for more computing power, the repeated sets of communications systems and all that stuff that makes it much more expensive?
We can, in fact, make fewer robots than the subs amount of matter permits. We can, in fact, make just a few and use them far more effectively than a submersible dildo that cant maneuver for shit, as opposed to small nimble bots that punch far above their weight and we dont care if one gets hit (vs the sub likely going down).

>>1964587
>Except it'd be far from the same amount of resources given the fact you'd need to power whatever is lifting your flying carrier.
>Weight = mass x gravity is an immutable rule of the universe and you can't really get around that.
Well, mister math, if you noticed in the last thread where I proposed the amount of power needed to overcome gravity, its actually very little if you are not using engines or other means to mediate the effect. Since our propulsion lifts do just that, I can comfortably say they are cheap enough to be useful. Especially when we sink more research into them.

>>1964587
>Except in the cases like it going to Hawaii, where we know something destroyed the thing we had flying through the air, or near the NCR / MLA-Legion / BOS, since we don't want them to know about us being able to do that yet or in places like Texas which has nuclear tornadoes that would rip it apart.
Then we send in the small sub bots wit the portal in tow, or, again, fly in ourselves. And by this comparison, the sub does remarkably worse in a tornado.

>>1964587
>And you want to fly a unknown gauntlet of the best pre-war AA weapons? "Dude, useless waste of resources. Get over it.". At least the only problem with mine is that it could take a fair bit of time, compared to you who wants to fly a literal suicide mission
Because it i obviously impossible to use a few drones to scout out the AA AOE, strenghts and weaknesses and likely access points instead of going straight for the door in a straight line. Think with your head man.

I am on the side of the ones who want to build the airship.

Also wans't our satellite destroyed after it passed the NRC and got to the Sea? where our brain said there might be giant monsters?

>>1964817
Was probably some AA defence from the Hawaii base (if the thing got that far). The thing is we are woefully lacking in intelligence of all kinds so we are pretty blind to things outside our borders (something SPI should come up a plan for).

>>1964221
>How does it compare to the NCR's tanks?
From the Tanker's knowledge, the NCR has many different Tank varieties. It is definitely superior or equal to the NCR's light tanks at least. Depending on the type of medium tanks its either equal or slightly inferior in regards to armor and hitting power (it was never meant to be a standalone MBT) but makes up for it in superior speed AND terrain climbing. Against Heavy Tanks its advisable to find some cover, or to outflank them with more numbers.

Of course, this is purely a guesstimate based on the Tanker's stored memories, and you'll actually have to test them in the field.

> are there any regards in which we are superior to it
Surprisingly, no. It's the Creme of the Old World military hardware, the very best.

Luckily for you you just healed the Creme of the Old World's genius'.

>What kind of shells can it fire?
Only AP, standard ammunition like the kind used in Old World and NCR tanks.

>What calibre?
Eh, I'm going to avoid misleading you by giving you a calibre number only because that doesn't also take into account barrel velocity. It's considered a bit lighter than the standard US MBT Cannon, but not significantly so.

>Does it have any AA abilities?
No, it's particularly weak to Aircraft.

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Psst, if you wanna actually play with these things I recommend. http://www.moddb.com/mods/cc-shockwave

>>1964822
Could definitely be AA for Hawaii.
However the Sea monsters are still there, it'd prefer dealing with AA in an airsip than monsters in a submarine.

>>1964827
Agreed.

>>1964826

Could we feasibly fit an ammunition-replicator inside these things, or is that impractical due to power restraints?

>>1964826
Now the actual hard hitting questions....

How many can we make?
How much air support, considering NCR capabilities, do they need?
How many, based on pre-war records, do we need to field a mobile assault/harassment force?

>>1964826
Alright, so the Drone tanks are good cannon fodder, support and anti-light vehicle, maybe add a small rocket pod to offset it's AP only rounds.
What it/we need is a medium MBT, the Enforcer MK2 looks to be the perfect contender for the spot but the Chinese might have something or we can research own design.

>>1964830
That's the beauty of these fancy schmancy old world techs. They have ammunition replication inside them already.

You could try to fit a better one though, but these robot tanks don't have particularly excessive generators for it. But then you could upgrade those as ell.

>>1964835
>How many can we make?
I'd need to calculate that with an actual action + rolls. Currently, you can only produce them in the Divide War Factory too due to high level military anti-design theft, which is offline due to you diverting power from the base for your MASSIVE construction projects.

>How much air support, considering NCR capabilities, do they need?
Depends on whether you invest in AA or your own Air Fleet.

>How many, based on pre-war records, do we need to field a mobile assault/harassment force?
They are effective for harassment individually, but much more so as a squad or a platoon.

>>1964836
Actually, you know what would be an interesting MBT? A sound/sonic tank. We haven't researched the best the Sonic emitter could offer and with Doctor 8 now partially sane we could make some great progress.

>>1964838
Obviously you can attempt to crack their blueprints, but it will take time.

Or you could go and search for their ultimate source, which is indicated to be Hawaii. That is also where you will find the strategy center to unlock some of the other units.

Currently, without authorization, you can only produce:
-Small Robot Hover Tank
-Mortar Humvee
-Medic Drone
-Sentry Drone
-Plasma Avenge

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>>1964839
Funnily enough there IS a Sonic Sound Tank template in the War Factory, but its currently not available and the details need to be sent in by the Strategy Center at Hawaii.

The MLA are reported to have Sonic Weapons as well.

>>1964810
>The time on the replicators and multiple constructors worth of material, thrown into the sea for kicks and shiggles.
Yeah and? Fact is we aren't going to be needing more robots in NW anytime soon, so this ain't an issue as we also have a surplus of materials. We are in the rare position of having the ability to do this without impacting our overall plans and it's not like these units are destroyed the moment construction is done. They can head back or go somewhere else and start construction there.

>Wow, "its big and speedy-shaped"? Considering powering and manoeuvring a smaller craft is far easier, small wins out.
Powering a bigger craft is easier given the square-cube law works in our favour, giving us more volume for the same (relative) area trying to push through the water. As to manoeuvring: that barely comes into play since this thing is going to be a glorified cargo and artillery vessel to get Hawaii under control and provide an immediate basing point on that end. Maybe a few torpedoes or a laser but that is it.

>We can, in fact, make fewer robots than the subs amount of matter permits. We can, in fact, make just a few and use them far more effectively than a submersible dildo that cant maneuver for shit, as opposed to small nimble bots that punch far above their weight and we dont care if one gets hit (vs the sub likely going down).
Why in gods name would the sub be going down? Why in gods name does it matter if it can't turn on a dime? It's to get enough of our shit to Hawaii to secure the place and after that it'll probably be a scouting vessel and trade raider.

>Well, mister math, if you noticed in the last thread where I proposed the amount of power needed to overcome gravity, its actually very little if you are not using engines or other means to mediate the effect.
Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on this being relatable until OP says either way. My main point was that inherently a flying craft, by whatever method of propulsion you want to use, is going to be less efficient than a boat since a boat has buoyancy working in it's favour.

>Since our propulsion lifts do just that, I can comfortably say they are cheap enough to be useful. Especially when we sink more research into them.
Except they don't. I mean, we've got no fundamental reason to believe that they are cheap to make or use.

>Then we send in the small sub bots wit the portal in tow, or, again, fly in ourselves.
Small bots that'd be far worse off in terms of speed, resistance to currents and ability to power said portal? Assuming they could even move it effectively.

>>1964844
How will the Sub deal with sea monsters?

>>1964844
>And by this comparison, the sub does remarkably worse in a tornado.
And it ain't a comparison. It was to show just how insanely flawed your statement of it's greater mobility was since realistically we can't or wouldn't currently deploy the craft in the regions I listed, not that it matters anyway since the primary purpose of this craft ain't combat to begin with.

>Because it i obviously impossible to use a few drones to scout out the AA AOE, strenghts and weaknesses and likely access points instead of going straight for the door in a straight line. Think with your head man.
And how do you suggest doing that? We have no access to the other side of the NCR with any sorts of drones as of this moment in time so they'd need to head over the NCR which most likely would get spotted and eliminated. This is before mentioning that the most you are probably going to get is the fact that your crafts were destroyed at X ranges and possibly what by. Not exactly useful.

>>1964817
Yep

>>1964842
What are the medic and sentry drone designs like?

>>1964842
Can we not just move the factory and all the better machinery over to BigMT so we have all the valuable tech in one place and secure?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9RuaB3c9FQ

Also, what is the most powerful weapon a tank-sized machine can carry as a frontline weapon? In the military base archives, I mean.

>>1964842
>Obviously you can attempt to crack their blueprints, but it will take time.
Will it be faster if we produce some to reverse engineer?

>>1964845
Well, considering the known species of aquatic life form there are the following threats:

1) Mirelurks - primarily live near the shores, are based off crabs = safe so long as we aren't too deep or near a coast. Worst comes to worst deploy a squad or two of assaultrons from the replicator / through the teleporter.

2) Mutated / "ghoul" dolphins - unknown abilities, unknown intelligence, unknown behaviour. Logical conclusion: potential threat but most likely unable to pierce a metal hull.
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3) "Ghoul whales" - entirely legend as far as we know, similar to the dolphins except more dangerous. Could be detected and avoided by possible sonic emissions, e,g whale song?

>>1964853
I refuse to believe there are only 3. This just sounds like you are trying to push you submarine by severely underestimating the Marine threat.

>>1964855
No, these are just the ones we are aware of. I'd probably also add the various species of squid but the simple fact is that in the oceans there are few species strong enough to actually threaten a well designed sub.

Fact is that anything which could fuck up the sub could fuck up a smaller robot just as easily given they'll not exactly be built like tanks or anything.

>>1964858
>but the simple fact is that in the oceans there are few species strong enough to actually threaten a well designed sub.
Our brain disagrees with you, he told us to avoid the Ocean IN OUR ALIEN SHIP because of sea monsters, A submarine will not survive.

>>1964844
>Yeah and? Fact is we aren't going to be needing more robots in NW anytime soo
Considering we have literally no realtime espionage, I can think of a few things more useful.

>>1964844
>They can head back or go somewhere else and start construction there.
Except they are way the fuck out nowhere and unprotected, with literally the best piece of tech. Not that smart.

>>1964844
>square-cube law
Meaning the bigger object gets exponentially more massive ergo harder to move. Have you noticed how an elephant is slow but a cheetah is really fast? Yeah. The water friction is largely moot considering our power capability.

>>1964844
>It's to get enough of our shit to Hawaii
Dude, again with this shit. We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.

>>1964844
>Small bots that'd be far worse off in terms of speed, resistance to currents and ability to power said portal?
They are faster, more maneuverable and the portal can be powered remotely. A non-issue, in other words.

>>1964846
>We have no access to the other side of the NCR
And neither do we have access to the sea. When we get there or figure out a way to bypass it air is the fast and reliable way. We dont even have a real way to navigate the subs besides periscoping and constant support from drones anyway. Might as well just use the drones. And if it turns out the AA is too OP, we fly in a aquatic bot with the portal and have it swim there and plonck the thing underneath the waves on the beach if nothing else works. Point is, making a sub for this is wasteful and doesnt serve the purpose. You are trying to justify the sub instead of finding the best solution.

>>1964861
>We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.
This.
The submarine idea is stupid.

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>>1964846
The Sentry Drone is a tracked drone vehicle with an AP .50 cal machine gun and stealth capable, with relatively heavy armor for a robot (comprable to Securitrons/Sentry Robots)

The Medic Drone is very similar, but a bit more armored, and essentially a well protected mobile auto doc with a completent of medical drones to heal infantry en masse.

>>1964847
Without authorization codes that might activate the automated self destruct sequence.

>Also, what is the most powerful weapon a tank-sized machine can carry as a frontline weapon?
Define powerful.

According to the military archives, a magnetized Railgun was being worked on by a General Towns which could pierce "anything".

>>1964879
And I assume the facility is too big to move in one piece/few pieces?

The railgun is something we can mount on a tank? Even if heavy?

>>1964872
>The Sentry Drone is a tracked drone vehicle with an AP .50 cal machine gun and stealth capable, with relatively heavy armor for a robot (comprable to Securitrons/Sentry Robots)
So is it essentially a securitron-sized cheap and durable AP gunnery platform with stealth? How much cheaper are we talking and how long can they operate without contact/fueling and can SPI incorporate them into the network? The idea being to seed the desert with them to provide security and overview.

Could we clone a body for Diana and connect her via tesla coil? That way we'd have 2x super biology scientist.
I wonder what are the ramifications of doing this with a ZAX machine.

>>1964860
I fail to see how this means that any other solution solves the issue since the implication I get from that statement, at least the way you are saying it is that flight is not protection and I doubt your small robots would fair much better if in any way differently.

>>1964861
>Considering we have literally no realtime espionage, I can think of a few things more useful.
SPI got a bunch of assets. Tunnellers and cloaking squads of assaultrons. Thus we should be in theory passively gaining intelligence assuming we tell her to deploy the assets.

>Except they are way the fuck out nowhere and unprotected, with literally the best piece of tech. Not that smart.
Not unprotected, each one does have that squad of robots it commands, which can anything from Securitrons to Loader construction robots.

>Meaning the bigger object gets exponentially more massive ergo harder to move. Have you noticed how an elephant is slow but a cheetah is really fast? Yeah.
An elephant and a cheetah are two entirely different animals. Your comparison is shit on many levels but I would also point out that a bigger object can have the same mass dedicated to weapons systems, sensors and communications but will have them take a smaller percentage over all thanks to it's bigger mass. Meaning it can have a bigger engine, meaning it accelerates faster and goes to a higher speed depending on the interference of outside factors like an atmosphere but that problem can be solved by application of certain design techniques and materials to minimise friction.

>The water friction is largely moot considering our power capability.
Then that renders power a moot point in general.

>>1964891
>Dude, again with this shit. We only need to get one portal to wherever we are going. Thats all it takes. No need for a cargo craft to ferry shit around when you can instantly teleport between two points with ease.
Except we can't teleport anything bigger than a set size which is incredibly limiting in terms of what we can move across. Which given how hard it was to pierce the base we found in the Divide, god help us with Hawaii. Or do you not understand the problem we are having with Montana currently?

>They are faster, more manoeuvrable and the portal can be powered remotely.
The portal being able to be remotely powered only works if you have enough power to actually activate it, store sufficient power to open the portal again, and then you start being able to draw additional energy into storage for use.

As to them being faster, I've debated that point, and manoeuvrability doesn't matter in either of our cases: in yours because it's performing a single direction trip ending in a beach somewhere on the Hawaiian island chain whereas in mine it's because this thing ain't exactly going to be trying to do some crazy moves.

>And neither do we have access to the sea. When we get there or figure out a way to bypass it air is the fast and reliable way.
I've already explained how we'd get to the sea. You are making an issue out of nothing.

>We dont even have a real way to navigate the subs besides periscoping and constant support from drones anyway.
It's called a map. You might have heard of it. When used in conjunction with this thing called headings, speed-distance-time calculations and the stars people did far more impressive things than getting to Hawaii.

>Might as well just use the drones. And if it turns out the AA is too OP, we fly in a aquatic bot with the portal and have it swim there and plonk the thing underneath the waves on the beach if nothing else works.
Or we cut out your middle stage of throwing yet more resources into a sunk cost fallacy: waiting to see what gives first your stupidity and pride, the tolerance of others for it or the pre-war US military's missile, laser, rail-gun and flak AA defences.

>Point is, making a sub for this is wasteful and doesn't serve the purpose.
The purpose being, get to Hawaii? Right? Because it seems to me like it is perfectly fine in this regard.

>You are trying to justify the sub instead of finding the best solution.
Why would I be trying to justify that? I don't particularly harbour any emotions towards them as a concept or class of vessel.

There was talk of getting House back. I always wanted to either rejuvenate his body or just clone a new, young and healthy one and put his brain in it before we wake him up.
I'm sure that he would appreciate not being a dry, old husk anymore.

Later he can decide if he wants to debrain to double his scientific capacity.

I hope we can convince him to work under us and that we won't have to kill him.