Where we left off...
"Perhaps you can find someone else for me instead," you say, your mind already shifting to the next potential development. "Liliesviel von Einzbern. I assume you're aware of her little misconception about me." That's a girl you can put to use with none of the potential danger the Emiyas pose. She may be a bit off-kilter, but all the same you're sure such a young, innocent girl wouldn't have it in her to betray you. It's simply a matter of getting close to her. For that, visiting her during the day would be best. There is her casual comment about killing you to remember, after all; a child's innocent straightforwardness can go both ways.

"So you... want to work with that girl... after all," Kōrakuhime says, rousing you from your musing. "The Emiya family did not... sway you with their righteous aims?"

"Ahem," you cough awkwardly. "While Emiya certainly does have the best interests of the people in mind, I cannot simply put aside my own life."

"Of course," she replies. "I would expect nothing... less from you, Ani-ue. To be unmoved by moral concerns is... the mark of a true leader. But... to answer your question... yes, I can divine her location. Let us see... what she is doing at the moment." With those words, she draws a paper flower from her sleeve and sets it in the air between the two of you. For a moment it simply hangs suspended there, until the construct suddenly catches fire. An improbable quantity of smoke rises, rapidly forming a white cloud that fills the center of the room, before an image appears in it. You can see clearly, as if the smoke had become a window, a downtown skyline; it's one of the city's many high-density neighborhoods.

"Hmmm... so they're in that building... it is relatively nearby," Kōrakuhime comments. "Let us take a closer view." At her words the image changes, zooming towards one of the skyscrapers like an approaching movie camera. Then it suddenly passes through the outer wall, and in the moment of darkness shifts to an overhead view of a bedroom that wouldn't have looked out of place in the Akeldama's palatial university. As the eye of the magic shifts again, so that it's no longer looking down from directly above, the occupant of a large canopy bed comes into view: Liliesviel, a vision of snow-white purity, is fast asleep. By comparison with the large bed, she seems even tinier than when you met her in the limousine previously, that small body almost lost amidst the blankets and cushions that surround her.

"Your potential ally is... a late sleeper," Kōrakuhime comments. "It's... nearly ten."

"She's either a human magus or a homunculus, modeled on humans," you say, feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl. "The Holy Grail War requires us to travel about at night. It's hardly surprising she would want to make up for the lost sleep in the morning."

"Perhaps," Kōrakuhime replies noncommittally. "Let us look around... some more."

As the eye of divination passes over the opulently decorated penthouse, Liliesviel's living arrangements become clear. She seems to occupy the top floor of a skyscraper, while the lower floors are used as office space by various businesses. She's served by two maids, one of whom stands at attention by her door while the other busies herself preparing breakfast. The maids seem to share a bedroom, while Niemand has a room of his own. At the moment, he's sitting by the window there and staring out at the city, a moody expression on his aged face. There's no outwardly visible sign to indicate anything magical about the residence, intriguingly. If there is an Einzbern workshop in the city, then, it must be somewhere else. It's equally possible, of course, that the foreign magi simply felt no need to prepare a workshop for the short duration of the War.

"Shall we... watch them further," Kōrakuhime asks, "and observe the Einzbern girl's morning... routine?"

>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)

>[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on our way to Einzbern Tower." (Duty)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)

>>3663745
Bench?
Different bench, away from the Emiyas, but still.
Bench?

Would it be wise to just beeline towards the Tower?

>>3663745

>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)

>>3663745
>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)

Finally some training. Hopefully this will result In actual Improvements of our abilities and not just this being a waste of time.

>>3663745
>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)

>>3663745

>[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on to try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki."

Ok so...
Quick session of combat training
Go eat breakfast, attempt to summon something, then go see our other little sister?

>>3664227
And for the night we have planned a mass kidnapping to solve our mana problem without killing anyone.

>>3664263
Excellent.
A mere temporary method, before we all incarnate.
I say we definitely target that scheming bitch Master of Archer next. Whatever she's planning I want to stop it, and kill her, maybe.
It's free mana for Kourakuhime.

Also
>you say, feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl.
Alberich really wants to protect that smile, I do hope we can have her make the incarnation wish without dying.
I'd like her to be a part of our family too.
It's a great honor, the future ruler of the world taking an interest in you.

>>3663745
We should try summoning something. Making her fight before she has an energy supply doesn't make much sense.

>>3664314
It's more of a friendly spar.
See what her capabilities are.
Also we can't just let her become a shut-in.
Obviously we aren't just going to go full power at each other. Just dont want her fumbling in an actual combat scenario.
She's probably never had an actual fight before, especially against somebody with Magic Resistance.

>>3664320
I mean, she can become a shut-in if she wants, but it can wait until after the war.
We just need to trust her more for now.
I want to have a good relationship with her.

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>>3663740
Sprite edit anon here, can also do a bit of drawfagging on the side. Whatcha got in mind, Sweets?

Pic related was the last Fate thing i did. Worked pretty well as a catalyst

>>3663745
>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)

>>3664320
Right but she'll still be using energy that she can't currently replace

>>3663745
>[ ] "No, I think it's best we try some combat training. I'd like to gauge your abilities for myself, Tsubaki." (Pride)
"I`ll promise to be gentle".

>>3664651
This is a prevalent problem. Who knows how that ritual works? It could end up being more conspicuous the more energy it absorbs.
>>3664660
...

>>3664651
She's been scrying us for pretty much her entire existence, I'd say that now she isn't expending her energy to watch her IRL anime she should have some free.
>>3664660
Nice.

So once we have the energy problem sorted, I have a strategy question to resolve with you anons- will Alberich be dragging Kōrakuhime around everywhere, or what? Even for a caster, her physical stats are utterly abysmal. So I worry about having her around when we could be ambushed by A-Agility servants like Saber and Berserker are about. She'd be invaluable to protect Ayaka against Archer probably.....

>>3664697
She can just fly out of their range.
She can also stay with Ayaka near the Pegasus in the sky if we can actually get that plan to work.

>>3664697
With her Territory Creation it is probably better to let her stay at the mansion and protect Ayaka. Constant monitoring over Tokyo would also prove beneficial while we are doing most of heavy lifting.

>>3664697
>Even for a caster, her physical stats are utterly abysmal
Demonic Nature of Oni fixes that temporarily, but yes.
>will Alberich be dragging Kōrakuhime around everywhere, or what?
Fuck, no. We let her guard our home, and Circe and Adelheid will probably join her in that respect unless we need everyone out at once. Having someone guard your HQ is essential, and there's nobody better than a Caster to do it.
>She'd be invaluable to protect Ayaka against Archer probably.....
This is a good role for her to play, but I'm hesitant to reveal the advantage of having Kourakuhime on our side to Akagata and Archer.

>>3664697
There's still the issue of being seen in combat with an extra servant. Although nobody saw the original caster so we could possibly get away with it...

>>3664767
The Einzberns know that we replaced Caster, but maybe not that he was Judas or that we have siblings.
They've also demonstrated the ability to watch us without our knowledge.

>>3664774
>>3664767
>>3664733
>>3664730

So we have Kōrakuhime operating a command center in the mansion, relaying intel through our telepatic link with Ayaka. Yes, this takes care of both of their weaknesses and protects the homefront. I like it. Ah, but we need Ayaka present for the ritual during our next servant kill. Decisions decisons...

You know, we should've scried on Archer's hag. Get a clue on what they might be up to.

>>3664786
Not should've, should.

>>3664778
>Phase I: have Kourakuhime scry out the other Servants, pick off and eat isolated ones
>Phase 1.5: find Circe, Adelheid and Matsuda
>Phase II: kill Arturia
>Phase III: have the Emiyas and the Einzberns kill each other, eat Medusa and Otto
>Phase IV: wish for incarnation

>>3664799
I see nothing in there about killing Bahsaka. How are we going to do that? I want to enlist Arturia to do it somehow. We'll definitely need Medusa's help with it.

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>>3664774
I thought they only mentioned "a" servant.
Or was it specifically Caster? Regardless, they know the war is fucked anyway.
I want to save Lily. We are the superior elder (younger) brother. Emiya is nothing but a failure on that front.
In fact
>be Shirou
>entire family burns to death
>get adopted by Kiritsugu
>he dies
>find out you have a sister
>she dies
What a loser.

Aaaanyway, everyone is thinking about corrupting Saber into Alter, but there's another servant we could also attempt to alter...

>>3664806
>I thought they only mentioned "a" servant.
She specifically stated that we became Saber after killing Caster.

>>3664799
>kill Arturia
That's our maid, no.
>have the Emiyas and Einzbern kill each other
No.
>eat Medusa
Maybe.
>eat Otto.
Yes

>>3664806
>wanting to create something like the Gorgon
Are you joking?

>>3664810
Oh I must have missed that line.
Fuck.
Oh well.
There's also 3 Berserkers.
Hell, Circe is around giving it two Casters.
This war is fucked

>>3664817
What's the worst that could happen?

>>3664814
>kill Arturia

Y E S

>>3664836
SHE LITERALLY JUST GETS A RESPAWN THERE'S NO POINT.

Honestly corrupting her is far more apt as a punishment.
Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.
A few days as alter has affected her mentally quite significantly even when the corruption is technically gone.

>>3664853
>SHE LITERALLY JUST GETS A RESPAWN THERE'S NO POINT.
WE CAN KILL HER AND EAT HER ENERGY, THAT IS A MASSIVE POINT

>Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.
Fuck going full Gilgamesh, I'm not getting Alberich merced out of some foolish desire to "punish" her. She'll get hers.

>>3664853
>Having the King of Knights kneel before us, the true king.
This is going to be so delicious.

>>3664860
But we can alter her.
Gilgamesh knows he could have too, but he's autistic so doesn't want to.
Also having somebody else around with magic resistance will make the elimination of magi much easier when we take over.

Also an additional servant is more useful than a moderate power boost

>>3664880
Also, Kourakuhime's Akeldama based NP might be able to power us up anyway.
Making stealing the energy of a Servant far less appealing than recruiting them into our forces.

>>3664378
You see, I've been reading some of the drawquests being posted lately, and I was thinking it'd be great to have an image to go with my updates that way. This one would've been a picture of Liliesviel sleeping, the last one would've been a shot of your conversation with Korakuhime with the POV behind Alberich, and so-on. Unfortunately, I can't draw. At all. So I was thinking about how great it'd be if I found a collaborator to do art for the quest.

>>3664880
>But we can alter her.
Can we? And I mean not theoretically. I mean practically.
How do we get her to not murder us while we try to corrupt her? How do we manage not to kill her while fighting her when our only good weapon is really lethal? How do we corrupt her in the first place? How do we test if our corruption idea works so we don't find it out when it fails and we have a sword in our chest?

Because at the moment all I see are wishes. Wishes that will get us killed when we hold back on killing her because we want to corrupt her.
Yes, it would be nice if we could just corrupt her, but it would also have been nice to be able to draw mana through our sword.

>>3664941
We can likely get Circe or Kourakuhime to fuck with Harris' command spells/mind.
Medea could bind a weakened Saber with magic. Circe could do the same.

We just need to fucking find her.
Saber does poorly against Casters.

>>3664975
>We can likely get Circe or Kourakuhime to fuck with Harris' command spells/mind.
If we can get Tsubaki in Harris' vicinity without Saber murdering her.
>Medea could bind a weakened Saber with magic. Circe could do the same.
And we have currently neither Medea nor Circe nor is Saber currently weakened.

>>3664986
If we get Tsubaki within Harris' vicinity, Saber is obviously going to be rather preoccupied.

We do need to find Circe to make the plan work though.

Ah, I just realized something else. So far, for the purposes of acquiring power, we've been very focused on defeating the Servants of the enemy. Yet this is obviously the tougher way to go about fighting these battles, as compared to eliminating the masters. Any thoughts about this anons?

>>3664924
They'd probably be only sketch-tier if you want them to go with every update. Also some way to contact outside of thread I guess

>>3665059
I'm thinking we check to see if Lumenza can dodge our rifts.

>>3665088
We'd be far too occupied by Berserker to try that.

>>3665094
Not if we start the battle on our own terms.

>>3663745
>[ ] "No, let's go downstairs and have breakfast. I'd like to introduce you to Miss Ayaka, and afterwards we'll be on our way to Einzbern Tower." (Duty)

>>3664824
Honestly? Breaker Gorgon. Alberich has no counter to it and would be consumed quite easily thereafter.

>>3664975
>>3664986
>If we can get Tsubaki in Harris' vicinity without Saber murdering her.
This is just as dangerous as having Tsubaki fight Saber. It only took a high school girl with reinforcement magic to beat Medea into the dirt. Bringing an inexperienced mage face to face with a professional mage killer is a recipe for disaster.

>>3665139
Medea jobbing against Rin is entirely the fault of her not considering Rin to be a threat at all.
Had she been taking it even halfway seriously then Rin just gets continually spammed with lasers until she dies.
It's the same as Shirou beating Gil.

Also, Jewel Magecraft is broken.

>>3665169
And who's to say Tsubaki won't get sloppy and think that she has the fight in the bag just because she's a Servant against a Master?
It's also very likely that Harris has some anti-mage ace in the hole like Kerry's origin rounds. We found Vaisset reduced to paste, remember. A regular battle wouldn't do that to someone.

>>3665167
Also, I'd suggest you read the scene again if you think it was only reinforcement magic that let her win.
She uses quite a few jewels in just not getting insta-killed.
The ability of Jewel Magecraft to cast spells at high speed is the ONLY reason that Rin lived.
Also, Kourakuhime can use her Oni strength should it come to blows.

>>3665184
>a regular battle wouldn't do that to someone
These are magi and they weren't punching each other, yes, it could've been any sort of effect, the human body isn't exactly durable.
I highly doubt that Harris has some magic anti-servant weapon hidden away.

Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.
Indeed, she should realise that there is a superior Caster within Tokyo.

>>3665188
The jewels were important because they let Rin close the distance to Medea without dying. Letting Tsubaki approach Harris of her own volition removes the need for the jewels. Her Oni strength isn't guaranteed to help, since she'd need to be able to react and activate it without getting killed first, and Harris might not even need to beat her up if he can just trash her Magic Circuits like Kerry.

>>3665214
>it could've been any sort of effect, the human body isn't exactly durable.
This is my point, really. Remember what happened to Fastwheels? I'd be very surprised if Harris doesn't have some sort of magical dedicated anti-mage weapon or spell.
>Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.
In Tsubaki's case, it doesn't need to be arrogance. Ignorance and/or rookie mistakes are just as likely to do her in.

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>>3665214
>Kourakuhime hasn't really shown herself to be arrogant.
>implying

>>3665234
Tsubaki's physical stats might all be trash, but she's still a Servant, she's still got the same physical ability as conceptual Rushorou, also.

Arguing that specifically anti human magus weapons would have the same intended effect is foolish.
If Harris has no way to nullify her magecraft, his limbs go soaring away.
The gems are immensely important yet you keep underselling them, Rin spends years of magical energy on that fight.

>>3665271
>Tsubaki's physical stats might all be trash, but she's still a Servant, she's still got the same physical ability as conceptual Rushorou
Medea outclassed grailed Rushorou in multiple stats, but that didn't help too much when Rin socked her in the gut.
>Arguing that specifically anti human magus weapons would have the same intended effect is foolish.
I don't think so. Kerry's Origin Bullets are Conceptual Weapons that cut and tie the target's Magic Circuits upon contact with the target's magecraft. Since they are magic, they should be able to hurt Servants. Just a reinforced arm or leg can kill Medea - it's not like you need a legendary weapon to hurt a Servant, it just can't be totally normal. Tsubaki also has no Magic Resistance. It's not unreasonable to conclude that Origin Bullets would have a similar effect on a physically fragile Caster to what they would on a normal human.
>If Harris has no way to nullify her magecraft,
That's what his secret weapon probably is, being a magus killer and all.
>The gems are immensely important yet you keep underselling them, Rin spends years of magical energy on that fight.
I'm not underselling them, the situation just renders their effect irrelevant. The gems matter against Medea because Rin can only beat Medea if she gets close and kicks the shit out of her. In order to get close, she baits Medea into what appears to be a magic duel before suddenly crossing the remaining distance and beating her up. If Tsubaki approaches Harris of her own accord, there's no need for the gems because the purpose of the gems - to close the distance - is eliminated by Tsubaki herself.

>>3665328
>Medea outclassed grailed Rushorou in multiple stats, but that didn't help too much when Rin socked her in the gut.
Rin's speed in that scene is described as "Saber-like"
I can only assume she used a gem to reinforce herself to such a degree.
You're really underselling jewel magecraft in general.

Kerry's origin bullets on a servant are fucky and we have no way of knowing how they would work, so kind of an irrelevant point. Also Harris isn't Kerry.

>That's what his secret weapon probably is
Now you're just being silly. Magus Killer doesn't mean "immune to magic".

You're also assuming that Tsubaki would get into melee range and not just incap Harris at range.
She sleep spell'd Ayaka pretty easily and could easily just stay airborne and sever Harris' limbs.

>>3664806
>Lancer
>No weapon
They weren't even trying, were they?

>>3665081
I'm not sure what "sketch-tier" means for you; every artist has their own definition of that. And yes, contact outside of the thread is something that would have to be resolved. Let me know if you're interested, and no hard feelings if not.

>>3665239
What, you're saying Kōrakuhime has been acting as arrogant as Medea?

>>3665372
>You're also assuming that Tsubaki would get into melee range and not just incap Harris at range.
>She sleep spell'd Ayaka pretty easily and could easily just stay airborne and sever Harris' limbs.
You're assuming that she can. We don't have a clue what she can do aside from set up bounded fields, put people in those fields to sleep, burn houses, and fly.
At this stage, there's no point in continuing this discussion. It's clear you think Harris poses no threat to Tsubaki, while I think he does. Let's just agree to disagree.

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>>3665435
I just don't think we'll get anywhere by overestimating every single person we meet.
Sometimes, you overestimate them and expect a big fight and you just instantly kill them. Like with Ambrose.
But honestly, underestimating Caster makes no sense. While Harris could pose a threat, it's unlikely.
Rin is absolutely bullshit, as far as magi go, which is why she did so well.
>>3665434
She has Harpe.

>>3665455
I don't have any doubt that Alberich or pretty much any other Servant - even Circe - would wipe the floor with Harris given the opportunity. I also don't doubt that Tsubaki would be a lethal opponent against a Master like Akagata or Liliesviel. I'm only concerned specifically about the matchup between Tsubaki, a Caster who's never seen battle before and has spent her whole life sheltered (and lacks Mind's Eye (True) to make up for the experience gap), and a career magus killer.

>>3665434
She's certainly been acting quite smug and "this is all according to my plan". Which to be fair, seems to be an entirely justified sentiment thusfar. But anon was implying that Kōrakuhime wouldn't be prideful enough shit on a mere human who might be able to injure/kill her, and I believe that idea to be false.

>>3665434
Speaking of Kōrakuhime, what was going on when we first found Ogawara Sweets? I get it was a reference to the prologue of F/SN, but what were those entities that were fighting?

>>3665455
This is one time when I have to say I prefer what we actually got from FGO. That design manages to be worse than Servant Gorgon or Lancer Medusa.

>>3665502
Wraiths. A type of familiar somewhere between skeletons and Servants in power. If a Servant is a degraded copy of a Heroic Spirit, you can think of these as the next step down. Judas sprinkled a few of them around the cities for variety.

>>3665515
Neat

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>>3665515
That design IS from FGO though.
The adaption of the first singularity.
Here's EMIYA (Alter(but actually Alter and not Pucci))

>>3665478
I would hope she wouldn't underestimate Magi, she likely saw Rin hold off Berserker with her magic.
>>3665477
The reason Kerry was so good at killing magi was because he prepared for the fights in advance and fought them with unorthodox (to magi) technology. He's nowhere near as good in an ambush against him.
He also had Avalon.
Also, Kourakuhime might have some pride in her magic but she's not really at the same level as the majority of magi at being an arrogant spergelord.

>>3665551
>That design IS from FGO though.
>The adaption of the first singularity.
Right, but both of those designs are unique to the anime adaptation. They don't appear in FGO itself.

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>>3665620
Yeah, but they are FGOs fault, it turns out that having the majority of the enemies in singularity 1 be silhouettes doesn't adapt well.
I prefer that EMIYA alter to the aberration that was given to us, even if the design of this one is far simpler.
That Lancer Medusa is pretty lame though.
I'll never not be mad about pic.

>>3665648
>pic
Did she deserve it?

>>3666014
>"Either way if a human being touches it, they will be split apart on a molecular level. You will experience living infinite death."
Yeah I think that's a "no."
She literally gets one of the most (if not the most) nightmarish deaths in the entire fucking franchise for no reason.
Like, she just gets killed before she can actually do anything.
What a wasted character.
Then the cardboard cut-out characters are just like "oh well lmao". She's mourned and forgotten in like 3 lines.

>>3666052
Honestly, I don't even know if there IS a character in the Nasuverse that actually deserves getting Diavolo'd to such a degree.
And Olga didn't even do anything at all to deserve it.

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>>3665648
>I'll never not be mad about pic.
Someday, DW will release the waifu raising simulator we really deserve.

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>>3666181
>DW
>doing anything nice

I wonder how a Nasuverse Princess Maker would play out?

>>3666206
You play as the head of a London-based magus household and raise your heir, with various endings based on what he/she achieves in the Clock Tower, and others where he/she goes rogue and winds up becoming a heretical magus or dead apostle. A follow-up or expansion pack would add scenarios for being a part of Atlas or the Wandering Sea.

>>3666181
You'll get FGO Part 3 and you'll enjoy it.
It really should not have continued after the whole thing with the singularities but hey, it will continue as long as the series keeps making money.
Though personally I find this timeline culling, quantum time lock and Lostbelt shit to be some of the most stupid shit in the series.
Fuck Grand Order and Fuck Extra/Extella.
>>3666206
I thought that was what we were doing with Tsubaki.

>>3666206
You play as Merlin and you have to raise Arturia. Success is measured by how close you are to realizing the legend on a percentage scale.

>>3666227
>true end is just getting NTRd by Shirou after he somehow gets into Avalon

In hindsight maybe the "surprise penis" spell was actually a terrible idea.
In fact you could argue that most of Merlin's ideas are terrible.
Up to and including "make the king a girl."

>>3666214
That sounds fun. What would be Princess of Darkness?

So what would our casual clothes be like, if we haven't picked them out yet?

>>3666724
I say just suits

>>3666762
Yeah, no need to fix what isn't broken.

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>>3666724
Haven't thought of that, but I think our Sister would look pretty good in some Meiji-era inspired outfits.

>>3666206
I would unironically love to play that game.

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tfw no update.
>>3666724
Well we usually wear a black and red pinstripe suit.
Mostly we stick to suits entirely, honestly.
Getting some more casual clothes couldn't hurt.

>Anons want to abandon the suits
Cowardice. May as well start going around in the nude in that scenario.

>>3667083
Why not? Let everyone marvel at our Conceptual Biology: A

>>3667083
It's not like we'd never wear a suit again.
It's just that there are some situations in which wearing a suit wouldn't be appropriate.
Also, longcoats are cool.

What's our long-term plan for world domination?

>>3667113
Bringing back the Gods ought to do the trick.

>>3667113
Well, we're going to need some more magic...

>>3667117
Well, yes, but world domination is how we're going to do that.
I mean, how are we going to crush everyone in the moonlit world?
>>3667123
We could also do with some backers. The Wandering Sea could be bought pretty easily with the promise of tutelage from Circe, if they weren't already interested in bringing back the Age of Gods...

>>3667130
Well the moonlit world is still a problem, but for the actual world we can probably just brainwash governments.
Then we can make use of the mass surveillance of the information age that government organisations have access to in order to help us track down unaffiliated magi and give them the choice to join us or die.
Also include a Geas if they choose to join us. We can't simply brainwash everyone but we can't risk betrayal.

We could also have snipers or assaasins sent after influential members of the Mage Association who we figure wouldn't support us. You can be a powerful magus, but you're unlikely to survive a surprise .50 calibur round blasting through your skull and turning your head into salsa.
Turn their whole organization into a chaotic mess. Bonus points if we purposely fail an assassination and give the assassin false memories of being hired by a faction in the Mage Association. Have them tear each other to shreds, save us the time.

World domination should be done from the shadows, and once the pieces are all in place, we raise the curtain on our glorious victory.

>>3667142
Oh right, but not just assassinations.
We could have some magus sleeper agents too.
Circe, like Medea, can probably just rewrite enemy bounded fields to ignore her.
Then it's simply a matter of inputting the sleeper order and disappearing without our presence ever being known.

>>3667142
>>3667146
This suffices for the organizations, but we still have the monsters to worry about:
>Zelretch
>Aoko
>the DAAs (i.e. the DAs who would be a part of that organization in the Tsukihime timeline)
>Lorelei and the magic brigade
>fucking Prelati
Problematic, all of them.

>>3667198
>Zelretch
Honestly? There's no real solution to this. Just hope he decides not to get involved.
>Aoko
Dangerous, but not to the same level as Zelretch. We might be able to think of some way to deal with her.
>Dead Apostles
They range from "dangerous" to "pushover". Not really an insurmountable threat to 5 (possibly 6) servants.
>Lorelei
Just turn the big 3 clocktower factions against each other and she's massively weakened. She's a powerful magus but Circe still outclasses all of the modern magi.
>Prelati
Actual pleb without their book, which Gilles has. Only thing they've got is the ability to self rez.

>>3663743
>"feeling an impulse to defend the fragile-looking girl"
So this is the power of compassionfags..... impressive.

>>3667198
>Zelretch
Would he be against the world regaining the lost mana?

>>3667218
Alberich wants to protect the lolis. I'm sure he'd get as angry as Shirou at something like Illya's death in UBW.

Except he would actually be able to intervene in a situation like that unlike Shirou who would simply immediately die.
>>3667233
Who even fucking knows, honestly?

>>3667243
>unlike Shirou who would simply immediately die
You can't blame Shirou for resorting to his usual tactic of death, much in the same way that you can't blame Alberich for running headlong into a trap against a superior foe. It's simply their respective natures.

>>3667207
>Honestly? There's no real solution to this. Just hope he decides not to get involved.
We'll have to deal with him at some point.
>Dangerous, but not to the same level as Zelretch. We might be able to think of some way to deal with her.
Her magecraft isn't very useful against us, so she'll have to rely on her magic.
There's no way to run her over, so we'll end up either assassinating her or brainwashing her somehow.
>She's a powerful magus
Bit of an understatement when you talk about the woman who leveled up her magecraft almost to the level of magic.
>Actual pleb without their book, which Gilles has.
I'm talking about the living person, not the hero.

Oh, and I forgot to mention other people, like Kurogiri Satsuki (knows the Unified Language and is really good at compelling people with it), Ciel (not too dangerous physically but she can permakill us with the Seventh Holy Scripture) if she's around, Touko, Araya if he's around and Soujuurou.

>>3667246
>Shirou immediately dies against Berserker as soon as the fight starts

Classic Shirou.
You specialise in ARCHERY YOU IDIOT. STOP TRYING TO USE MELEE AND SHOOT SOME BROKEN PHANTASMS GOD DAMN IT.

Honestly, now I'm wondering the results of a theorerical Gil vs Alberich + Heracles at the Einzbern Castle.
Unlimited "ONORE" when Enkidu gets cut.

>>3667261
>alberich shoots voidslash
>gil is too full of himself to dodge and fucking dies trying to tank it with his speshul tuff armor

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>>3667265
Hmm... what if we shoot a voidwave into an activated Kenótis?

>>3667287
Magical false vacuum.

>>3667257
Honestly, we can take out quite a few of them with just assassinations and bombs.
Lot of magi basically embody the "squishy wizard" cliche, and not many have the reaction speed to defend against hypersonic assassinations.

"Close to magic" is thrown around way too often and doesn't even really mean anything. Lorelei is effectively an unknown outside of "She's strong." and that she can fight the wimpier DAAs, but so can Ciel.
Ciel is only a pain when she's got all her gear, otherwise you just have to disable her in a non-lethal way.
Living Prelati gets their shit slapped by pretty much everyone.

Chemical and Biological Weapons should also work pretty well.

Of course the assholes with puppets and self resurrection require extra care to end.

Zelretch is just impossible though.

>>3667198
>the DAAs
They wouldn't exist in the first place. Fate/stay night and Tsukihime are explicitly separate.

>>3667313
>Chemical and Biological Weapons should also work pretty well.
You want to mail everyone in Rin`s contact notebook some anthrax?

>>3667320
Alberich Kaczynski

>>3667320
That might kill a few of them.

Also, didn't Lev just use a fucking bomb to kill practically every important member of Chaldea?

We should have brainwashed magi sneak bombs into Clock Tower lecture halls.
Kaboom.

>>3667330
>letter arrives at the Edelfelt residence
>"some of you guys are alright, don't go to the Clocktower tomorrow."

>>3667330
>>3667351
But, Anon, think of Waver! He worked really hard to get his class out of the gutter.

>>3667363
I'm thinking of Waver.
I'm thinking he doesn't have good odds of survival.

Killing another servant when? It feels like we haven't accomplished anything of note since finding Tsubaki like a week ago IRL

>>3667421
Stop thinking in real time, then.

>>3667421
Well first we need to summon that damn Pegasus. I seriously don't want to have Ayaka in a position where an enemy can hurt her.
Besides, we've already killed one Servant, that's an incredible accomplishment.
In Akeldama we had two Servants and only directly killed a single enemy Servant.
And Judas with our bare hands.

>>3667421
When we start our next battle anon. Don't rush the quest. There are plenty of quests that go IRL months without updates or significant achievements, give it time

>>3667431
Actually
Saber: killed by Lancer
Lancer: killed by Archer
Archer: killed by running out of energy against Berserker
Rider: killed by Archer
Assassin: killed by Rider
Extra Assassin: killed by Judas
We killed 0 servants directly except Judas, who didn't die when he was killed.

So how do we convince Shirou to let us conquer the world without him trying to stop us?
Can we?
probably not
Outside of mind control, Geas, murdering him or memory manipulation, I mean.

>>3667493
Conquer the world =/= destroying the world. If the superhero hasn't gone around trying to kill every petty despot or particularily ruthless magus, I assume he'll stay out of Alberich's way so long as It never gets out that he's ending the age of man

>>3667501
I sure hope you're right.
I kinda just want him to be happy with his family.
He should be OK even if the Age of Man ends.

>>3667493
I'm sure he won't be our biggest fan when we betray him for the grail

>>3667526
Eh, if the grail works as intended it's not like he has much to be mad about.

Considering it's that or attempt to sustain 5 (6 possibly) fucking servants with no grail.
In fact, with Tsubaki and the knowledge we now have, us betraying him is pretty justifiable.
I think it only goes to irredeemable tier if we kill somebody in his faction.

>>3667545
It still reveals that we've been plotting to betray him the whole time

>>3667563
Not really.
There's a huge difference between sustaining 1 servant than there is to sustaining 5.

>>3667585
I mean we're still manipulating him and his loved ones into helping us win the grail war, which puts them at risk, and intending to use the grail which may or may not unleash unspeakable evil into a densely populated city, all to save ourselves and a few of our friends

>>3667675
He's getting involved of his own accord.
As is Rin.
>all to save ourselves and a few of our friends
This argument would work better if it wasn't HF Shirou.
His choice to save Sakura instead of killing her very easily could've gone dreadfully and ended with Angra Mainyu killing millions.
In fact it does in multiple dead ends.

And he's just doing it for his childhood friend he loves.
Alberich is doing it for himself, his 2 siblings AND the two girls he loves.

>>3667684
Right. But we're putting the person who he risked the entire world for at risk if we intend to use the grail. We have similar motivations sure but that doesn't mean he would forgive that.

>>3667688
I mean, or we just get told by Lily that they've installed a new grail.
Which considering this war was set up immediately after the 3rd by the Einzbern, it's kind of obvious as to what they've done.
Kiritsugu got fucking JAPE'd.

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>Sweets goes missing for a day without a word
pls no.

>>3667848
>implying Sweets will lose that easily
Probably just a work-related emergency or something

>>3667855
I hope you're right, anon.

So while we wait for Sweets
Why don't we discuss some more world domination plans?
For the mundanes, not the moonlit world.

We can't just brainwash everyone.

>>3668184
Got to be honest with you man, I'm banking on the Gods killing ~90% of humanity so we can have an easier time of it

>>3668191
It's not much of a plan.
Also before the Gods perform a reverse decimation on humanity, I'd like to make use of some of their infrastructure to eliminate any pesky magi that could stand in our way.

And I think that causing some apocalyptic restructuring of the planet will kind of damage said infrastructure.

>>3667848
Ded

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>>3668348
Fuck.

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So, when/if we finally meet Circe again, how do you think Alberich will respond?
How will Circe respond?

>>3668422
Intense Lewd Mana Transfer that would normally kill a human?

>>3668422
Assuming Adel isn't there at the moment?
We'll probably hug the shit outta her, and it will take her at least a second to realize who we are, so she'll be flustered.
Then they gonna smoooooooooch
Shit's finna be lit.

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In hindsight, maybe a Twitter account would be a good thing.

>>3667692
>Be Einzbern after summoning an Avenger
>"Oh shit guys we got this.:
>Dies like a huge punk bitch
>No seriously there is jobbing then there is what happened to Avenger
>Fuck now the grail is acting weird, who was the servant?
>Who the fuck is Angry Manjew?
>"Aŋra Mainiiu"? Who is ... wait all the worlds evil?
>Why of all the things did you summon that?
>Oh shit this black mud is terrible
>"We need to start a new one"
>"Listen lets stick with the basic ones this time"


Then Judas had to come in and fuck it all up.

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>>3668609

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>it's been more than 24 hours since his last post

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>>3668728
FUCK.

>>3669098
After all this time, I thought we were safe from the curse.

Rolled 12 (1d20)

Sweets, where are you?
I guess I have no choice but to roll a dice in this diceless quest.

>>3669252
Sweets doesn't wake up for at least two hours, anon.

>>3669252
Sorry anon, DC was 20.

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>>3669255
I guess it can't be helped.

Rolled 20, 9 = 29 (2d20)

>>3669260
Hold on, I've got bo3

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>>3669260
>>3669262
What now funny man?

AWAKEN MY QUEST MASTER

>>3669267
Anon, I--

>>3669271
Is this Dream Crusher: (star)?

So, I know FGO might not be the most popular topic around here, but seeing as it is Fate related, why is Caster considered a counter to Assassin? Isn't someone stealthy who can hit a Servant when they are unprepared the perfect counter to a Caster who banks on prep time. On the other hand who is Assassin good against Rider when assassins are bad at direct fights, something Rider is good at?

>>3669355
A Watsonian explanation: most Assassins haven't reached the point of Presence Concealment: EX, so Bounded Fields can still detect them and react automatically even if the Caster can't react manually.
A Doylist explanation: who gives a fuck as long as it brings in more money to fuel Takeuchi's crippling saberface porn addiction?

>>3669355
Because Caster isn't a class you fuck with if you don't have magic resistance or if you're not Caster yourself.
And of all classes, they've got the highest chance to detect an Assassin with their magecraft.

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This wait is killing me.

I can`t believe Sweets got Alaya`d!

>>3669456
His dream crusher skill posed too much of a threat to humanity

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>>3669456

I refuse to believe Sweets is the kind of guy to get writer's block and ghost the quest, so I will keep believing in his inevitable return

>>3669561
I too, have faith in Sweets.
I just can't handle another disappearing QM.

>>3669561
He's probably to busy watching El-Melloi Case Files on an endless loop.

>Everyone waiting for Sweets to get back.
He's probably been stricken down by the /qst/ gods for trying to run a Fates quest that lasts longer than 5 threads at most.
Not saying he's dead, but it will be at least a month before we hear from him, if we ever do again.
Either way, the thread is dunzo.

>>3669729
No!
No I won't believe you.
I refuse to accept this future.

>>3669729
Those damned treacherous gods. After all we had done for them.
Summon the Velber.

>>3669740
Sorry bruh, that's how these things tend to go.
Waifus don't leave for extended periods without tragedy.
QMs will always flake at the most inconvenient times.
Good quests die young.
Fates quests don't last more than 2-5 threads
If you read the archive, that's the way of the world, baby.

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>>3669845
No stop.
Please.
It's been less than two days.

>>3669851
And it's probably gonna be many more before we see him again.
Or not.
I like to plan for the worst with these things, but I hope he blows my ass out by popping up right after my post.
He'd be an exception.

>>3669979
Sweets?
This is the part where you show up.
Please.

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Maybe posting this will cause Sweets to appear to us.

>EX rank luck
>"lack of tenacity, luck"
>lack of luck

And we're back! Sort of. I can't guarantee I'll be able to post tomorrow, but on Friday I should be back on my normal schedule.
Sorry about the unannounced hiatus, folks. I had a sudden work emergency crop up the other day, and I haven't really had any free time since.

>>3666794
I like it! Post more meiji/taisho style outfits for Kōrakuhime.

>>3667142
>We could also have snipers or assaasins sent after influential members of the Mage Association who we figure wouldn't support us.
Kiritsugu go home.

>>3667848
I was tempted to try and find a way to work Sacchin into this, since she's my favorite Tsukihime girl, but there's no reasonable way to do it.

>>3669355
Because they didn't want to make a proper Fate game and decided to rip off pokemon for no reason.

>>3669647
Joke's on you, I haven't even started it.

>>3669845
>Fates quests don't last more than 2-5 threads
Even if you'd guessed right, and I really was gone, you're posting on the 16th thread of a Fate quest. A bit late there, anon.

When if we kill berserker, what should we upgrade?

>Invincibility+Kenotis becomes second skin/portal to IR
>Stat boost
>Regenerative abilities
>Unarmed combat expertise
Any other ideas? Thoughts?

"No, I've seen enough," you say. "And in any case, we have some sparring to do."

"...sparring?" Kōrakuhime looks at you blankly.

"Of course," you answer cheerfully, getting to your feet. "I need to gauge your combat abilities for myself if we're to fight together. What better way could there be to do that than by combat?"

"There's really no need for that," she protests. "I sent you a... dream, informing you of my abilities... last night, did I not?"

"I'd guessed that was your work, yes," you say, "but it quickly faded. You know how difficult dreams are to remember, surely. In any case, even if I had memorized everything you told me, that would be no substitute for a proper test."

"But- listen, I don't have any abilities suited to close combat ," Kōrakuhime insists, becoming more distressed. "As a Caster, you should know that I... use magic, from a distance... an indirect battle would be my forte."

"Nonsense. You have some sort of oni power that enhances your physical strength, don't you?" You won't be dissuaded. There's simply no way you can rely on Kōrakuhime in a fight without first seeing how she fares against a live opponent. "Don't worry," you continue in a reassuring tone. "I'm not forgetting what you said about being gentler; I'll even use a blunt sword, so there's no danger."

Kōrakuhime looks at you as a condemned man looks at the guillotine, finally answering "Very well, it seems I have no choice. If you insist, I will... spar with you."

With that, you lead her out of her bedroom and down to the Shijou family's basement. Your first choice for a place to spar would have been an open location, such as the back garden, but even casual sparring would likely draw witnesses when the combatants are a pair of Servants. Unfortunately, you'll have to compromise on optimal training if you want to enforce the magi's rule of secrecy. With that in mind the two of you wind up facing each other in the late Jean-Pierre Vaisset's workshop; or one part of it, at any rate. It's an oblong stone chamber accessible through a side door from the room in which you were summoned, which you found during your first sweep for security and noted as an acceptable space for sparring.

The room is hardly as convenient as the University's gymnasium, being closer in size to a dining room, but the numerous burn marks, craters, and other scars on the floor and walls bear testament to the fact that this was used as the testing ground for the more dangerous mysteries devised by the house's inhabitants over the years. What it lacks in size, it makes up for in sturdiness and silence.

You stand the far end of the room from the entrance, and at your prompting Kōrakuhime comes to an awkward stop about fifteen feet away from you. She may feel it's a comfortable distance for her magic, or perhaps has taken up a position at random; from her uncomfortable posture and total lack of a fighting stance, it's hard to say. Whatever the reason for her positioning, though, it's an easy space for you to close.

Drawing out your Od, you form a decent quantity of Nothingness into a bamboo practice-sword and take hold of it. In a fight like this, there's no need for your usual armor and weapons; and besides, you did promise your sister to fight without a sharp blade. Oddly enough, a tiger-themed decorative strap that you hadn't imagined dangles from the handle of the shinai. Perhaps the element has some character of its own, though, or draws decorative elements from your subconscious mind; you hadn't planned out the red borders on your last elemental manifestation either.

"Want one?" You hold out your weapon, offering it to Kōrakuhime, but she silently shakes her head. You hadn't expected her to pick up a sword, of course, but it wouldn't have been appropriate not to make the offer. "Alright then," you continue, keeping your stance relaxed and your tone casual. "Let's test your reactions, to begin." With no more warning you charge forward, kicking off the ground with your left foot and bringing your weapon down in a direct vertical strike from above your right shoulder. It's the most clearly telegraphed attack you can begin with, short of actually leaping up into the air for a downward strike.

"Kyaa!" With a terrified squeak, Kōrakuhime crosses both arms over her face to protect it, completely obscuring her own vision in the process. You stop just short of slamming the weapon into her wrists when you see the fear on her face and in her posture. This isn't just reluctance or laziness, you realize. Kōrakuhime is just utterly unsuited for melee combat.

"Alright," you say tiredly, prompting Kōrakuhime to peek out from behind her hands. You've returned to a neutral posture. "I can't try to make you learn to fight in close quarters if you have neither motivation nor talent, I suppose."

"That is... what I have been attempting to tell you," Kōrakuhime says, with sullen indignation. "I cannot... join the knight classes in their... mode of battle. If I am to... contribute to the Holy Grail War, it must be by... my own methods."

"Very well then," you say, backing off again to give her space. "We'll see how you fight by your methods. Try attacking me."

The first thing Kōrakuhime does in response to this is sigh, tempting you to charge back in and smack her with the practice-sword. It couldn't be that harmful, could it? But no, you hold back and wait. She'll have to try eventually. Sure enough, the girl finally works up the motivation to draw one of her rectangular talismans from her sleeve. For a moment you expect her to throw it at you, but instead the thing bursts into flames in her hand. At that moment she sweeps her arm to the side as if to toss the flames, and the paper's small fire blossoms into a massive gout of flame that fills your vision, rolling towards you. Fortunately for you, the fire is still the product of magic. A slash from your shinai brings your magic resistance to bear, cleaving Kōrakuhime's attack into two pieces that pass on either side of you; your suit isn't even singed.

As the flames clear, however, you observe that Kōrakuhime hadn't banked on a single attack finishing you. The fire was a distraction, hiding the creation of the three hulking familiars that now charge you: a trio of grotesque oni, looking like red-skinned 8-foot-tall bodybuilders with protruding fangs and a single horn on each of their heads. They're armed with spiked clubs and wearing nothing but a tiger-skin loincloth apiece.

These, too, are dealt with easily enough. They're certainly superhuman, but compared to a Servant the creatures are still pitifully slow and weak. In the space of a single breath, you pierce the center oni's chest with the shinai, wrench it to the right to decapitate the second, rotate left and bounce off your right foot to reverse momentum, and chop straight down through the third. You're not sure the creatures even reacted to the attacks before they were defeated and fading away, leaving tiny paper dolls bearing their scars.

"Is that all you have," you say, turning back to face Kōrakuhime. "If so, you're not much better use in a fight than those flowers you wear. We discussed pet names last night; Tsubaki seems a fine one for you." Then you stumble; your right foot suddenly isn't bearing your weight properly. You try to recover your balance, but end up sinking to one knee. At the other end of the room, Kōrakuhime smiles. It's the same expression you've come to recognize: the smug look that says you've acted just as she expected you to.

"I see... it's beginning to take effect," she says distantly. Your arms are weakening now too; moments later, the shinai slips from your hand. You can barely hold yourself up, in fact. "Your magic resistance is so... troublesome. I wasn't certain how long it would take."

"What is this," you growl, "the same ability you used to put Miss Ayaka to sleep?"

"Oh no, that was but a simple bit of compulsory unconsciousness... the same that I used to hunt," Kōrakuhime answers, sounding slightly happy for the first time since you suggested sparring. "Both use a bounded field to designate their targets, but this is... far more potent. I have used a... powerful curse of weakness to bring you down, Ani-ue; one that can only effect those... within a certain bounded field, which I placed over the room when I entered. Now... I can do with you whatever I like." As she utters these words, the final dregs of power in your limbs vanish and you slump to the ground, limp. Only then does she approach you, looking down into your eyes like a predator about to feed. She pulls off one of her gloves, revealing a hand quite unlike those you saw as she slept. The polished nails are extended into long, knife-like talons.

"Well done," you say, so weak you can only manage a hiss. "Waiting until we sparred was clever. But why kill me, Kōrakuhime? Why couldn't we have worked together? At least have the decency to explain this betrayal."

"...betrayal?" A look of shock passes over her features, and she snaps her fingers. Suddenly the power flows back into your limbs, all at once. You leap to your feet to face an affronted Kōrakuhime. "I was merely... sparring, as you did," she protests. "My curse was as non-lethal as... that 'training sword' of yours."

Now that she mentions it, she does have a point. "And what about those claws," you ask, mounting a purely symbolic defense.

"A bit of... fun," your sister answers. "After the way you called me... useless, I wanted to... scare you a bit."

"A bit of fun, eh?" She's intentionally provoking you, but you manage to keep a straight face. "At any rate, I see your point about indirect methods of attack, now," you continue. "That curse could've been deadly; but remember, if this had been real combat you would have been killed by my initial strike. Do you have any other techniques to show me?"

Kōrakuhime shakes her head. "There are... any number of curses available to me, but... there is no purpose in consuming magical energy in demonstrations, while I do not have a... reliable source. It is enough... for you to understand that my most potent magic... relies upon bounded fields."

>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)

>[ ] "Fine. You should go and introduce yourself to Miss Ayaka. I have other business that must be dealt with." (Pride)

>[ ] Say something else (Write in)

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)

>Extra Rider actually worked
Thank you, Drake.

And look! She's not actually useless!

>>3670223
>[ ] Say something else (Write in)
Let's summon something with HGS.

>>3670228
>Posting worst girl was good for something
I shouldn't have come back.

>>3670197
Praise be!

>>3670198
Depends on the conceptual nature of his invincibility- if it's compatible with Alberich, I'd love to have it. Otherwise, gib stats.

This does lead to an interesting question- Sweets, you noted during the Kōrakuhime stats discussion that while the style of magecraft of casters is a skill, the training of more mundane servants is not. Would it be possible, as anon implies here, to take another Servant's combat ability in a mechanical sense? Or would that just be a roundabout way of describing an increase to Mind's Eye (True)? I know that we could have Roland's defensive fighting prowess, but what about for things that are not explicitly skills?

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)
>Instantly assuming she's betraying us
Lel, we raised Alberich right. But damn, we need to up that resistance....

>>3670235
You're limited to skills, base stats, or Noble Phantasms. In Berserker's case, though, the Bravery skill increases damage when unarmed, so it would be possible to copy his unarmed combat ability in a manner of speaking.

>>3670257
Understood.

>>3670235
We should upgrade conceptual biology, it's got a lot of potential benefits, including magic resistance.
>>3670232
Worst Girl she may be, but at least she knows how to die first.

>>3670223
Glad to have you back.
>>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)
Also,
>Curses
Have her help Ayaka with Shijou family magic since it is also relies heavily on curses.

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>we summoned the Tora-Shinai
Hahahaha.
...
And now we know just how easily a Caster can incap us.
...
Really gonna need that Magic Resistance: EX.
Though seeing her actual skill should really alleviate concerns that she might lose to Harris.

>>3670223
>[ ] "Fine. You should go and introduce yourself to Miss Ayaka. I have other business that must be dealt with." (Pride)
If you guys really choose social options instead of checking out our second miracle all day I'm gonna be salty

>>3670321
>social options
>not wanting to be present for the first meeting of your master and your sister, when it's absolutely imperative that they get along.
There's a chance that the conversation could go very poorly without us directing the flow. Also I want her with us when we summon something, just to show off.

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)

I wonder if Tsubaki's bounded fields would be detectable by magi or servants. I'm not sure how we didn't notice it unless it was just absolutely god-tier.

>>3670313
>a Caster
Be careful about generalizations. Casters have various different types of magic, after all; Kōrakuhime's onmyou is totally different from European magic or the ancient methods practiced by Medea and Circe.

>>3670450
That's a fun bit that I thought about having her explain, but ended up trimming. The reason why you couldn't detect the bounded field is that she entered the room following you; you were already inside the field when she created it.

>>3670457
I think the generalization that "Casters are bullshit." is an accepted one.

>>3670490
It's a good thing we have no Caster to fight! Thanks Judas!

>>3670528
Until Tsubaki betrays us for real

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>>3670542
Are you so sure she will be the betrayer?

>>3670528
Just two allies that we know will be able to bypass our Magic Resistance.
(Medea captured Saber despite her A rank resistance, Circe is at least as good as Medea.)

So absolutely nothing to worry about!
Absolutely nothing.
Nothing.

>>3670542
But why would she?
Not like she gets anything out of it unless she wants the wish for herself, and considering she should only want incarnation, which we're trying to get everyone, would be dumb.
Unless she has some other dumb wish.
Her sleeptalk revealed some of her inner thoughts anyway.
Unless she's some ultimate deceiver, we should be fine.

>>3670552
But I don't want to eat our friends, Angra.

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)

>>3670552
It's certainly possible. Affection points are a magical thing.

>>3671080
Yeah, we really need to get Alberich and Tsubaki to like each other more.
"Haha, I was only joking about murdering you." and "I knew you were planning on betraying me" Isn't really a place I'm comfortable with this relationship being at.
Hell, even Saber betrays Shirou of her own accord if you fuck up and don't get enough Affection points in the Fate Route.

>>3671126
>"Haha, I was only joking about murdering you." and "I knew you were planning on betraying me" Isn't really a place I'm comfortable with this relationship being at.
Hey, at least they're on the same wavelength.

>>3671279
That's the benefit of sharing an alignment, I suppose.
God damn it, between Circe and her "you're overreacting, it's just a hand." and Kourakuhime with this little prank, I feel like Alberich is going to never not be on guard near any magi.

Alberich has had a hard life.

>>3670223
>[ ] "An understandable concern. Let's go back upstairs and get some breakfast. Miss Ayaka should be done cooking by now." (Compassion)
>>3670198
Let's copy Dromeus Kometes if it's confirmed to be Achilles. If we can copy an NP imperfectly from our memory of it we should be able to copy one perfectly from his memory of it.

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>>3671538
If copying one of the most bullshit NPs ever is possible, yes. We should do that.

pic entirely unrelated.

>>3671670
Pic is ALWAYS related

>>3671380
>Alberich has had a hard life.
>implying
He's lived a life with more success, glorious triumph, and qt3.15 waifus than 99.99% of humanity in a mere two weeks. I daresay he's had an excellent life so far, barring the occasional death and loss of an arm.

>>3671279
Truly, some traits supercede even blood in a family.

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>>3671685
Just because the quality of his life is high doesn't mean it isn't difficult.
Especially now he's a Servant.
Saber actually made him taste true defeat for the first time.

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>>3671705
And here's a picture of Circe and her niece.
It's a shame we'll probably never get to see Medea, she deserves to be bullied. I mean, getting outsmarted by a modern magi in two different routes?
That's a poor display.

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>>3670197
>meiji/taisho style

Would she change her hairstyle?

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>>3671894
I don't think there's any need to, no. Her current style (pictured) is basically a super-long version of several of those you've got there.
Speaking of alternate costumes for her, Heian style would be fantastic.

>>3671945
Definitely. Would still like to see her in laced up boots, and other mix of east/western fashion.

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Since we're on the subject, I'll post another couple of images I was considering for your sister's design, before I'd settled on the perfect look.

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That first one I decided was too western. She didn't end up using a fork and knife, either.
This one was another take; I was thinking about re-using the dropped powerset for a music-themed Caster that Orpheus would've used if you'd summoned him. Ended up deciding she didn't have the right feel for someone born from Ogawara's memories, though.

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>>3666794

I wonder if when we meet her again we could get Circe to make a (single use?/recharging?) magic item that only activates when we've been cursed or hit by a spell that renders us immobile which nullifies said spell.

We keep getting hit by magical effects we should really not be, and eventually it's going to be against somebody who actually means to do us harm.
Honestly, we could really take advantage of her Tool Creation: A+ now as we can go fight alone. TOO BAD SHE'S NOWHERE TO BE FOUND.

Alternatively, we level up Conceptual Biology and get Magic Resistance: A.
Magic Resistance: EX when we make Circe into a Goddess of Magic again and get her blessing.

We should also buy a gun.
I mean, we could just create throwing daggers to throw and throw them with more force and speed than a gun, probably.
But where's the fun in that?
I want to see the utter confusion on Saber's face when the enemy Saber pulls out a submachine gun.
Followed by screching about chivalry and knights.
(pls disregard Lancelot using a fucking autocannon, it doesn't count when it's one of her knights.)

The more I read about FGOs lore the more angry I get.
Not only does the fuyuki grail war start like 200 years late (for NO reason), but apparently God tells Solomon to send his ring to the future so he can be summoned which in turn allows Chaldea to be created which in turn causes apocalypses every week.
Not to mention letting Goetia jack Solomons body.

Also they only gave David A rank luck.
Of every fucking heroic spirit, you'd expect the asshole who's entire legend is getting a critical hit and then lucking his way into being a King and not getting murdered would get A++ or EX luck.
He's got so much divine favour he's literally summoned with the Ark of the fucking Covenant.
There's no reason for David to be such a shit tier Servant.

>>3672512
>can steal or disable enemy NPs after knocking them out with hamesh avanim
>gets the ark of the covenant
>shit tier
Anon, he's not bad at all. Mediocre, maybe, but not shit at all.

>>3672538
He's shit tier for who he is.

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Kind of want Berserker's healing just for the ability to do this in a fight with no drawbacks.

>Cut Berserker's arm off and cut them in half and they don't fucking die
>Berserker's master is voiced by the same VA as Dio
coincidence?

>>3672571
Unfortunately his healing is part of Andreias Amarantos. We'll just have to kill Enkidu and steal Consummated Shape from him for our healing needs.

>>3672574
Actually, let me just get a list of skills that help with recovery.
>Consummated Shape: allows Enkidu to recover from any bodily injury because he's made of divine clay.
>Healing Magecraft: Irisviel can use it.
>Honor of the Battered: allows Spartacus to gain magical energy by being injured, heals injuries automatically after some time and makes healing more effective; also makes him less effective at full health.
>Human Anatomy Understanding: improves any action Nightingale takes to heal others and reduces incoming damage.
>Protection of the Beach Houses: Artoria (Summer) can spend magical energy to heal.
>Resolute Devotion: makes Irisviel even better at healing.
>Taijitu: Ryougi (Saber) can convert magical energy into health while Ryougi (Assassin) can convert health into magical energy.
>Saint: Jeanne has regen, among other powers.
Irisviel, Ryougi and Artoria (Summer) are out. Trying to take Saint from Jeanne would probably upset Big J, so that leaves us with Enkidu and Spartacus.

>>3672584
Those are just skills though
There are a few healing NPs.
Like Pain Breaker, for example.
But honestly I don't know if Alberich would have it in him to kill Medea Lily should he ever meet her
.
Obviously God Hand would be the ultimate NP for us to steal because it basically makes you unbeatable against any other servant 1v1 except a few specific exceptions
(Gil, EMIYA on a great day, full power Seibah)(Honestly fuck the fifth war)

Combining Godhand and Armour of Fafnir would make you almost entirely invulnerable to pretty much everything except a direct Enuma Elish to the face.

There's also Avalon, which for obvious reasons we can't use.
I mean, maybe if we do actually become the fairy king or some shit we could maybe get the authority to use it or whatever. But it's current whereabouts are unknown.

Now a real neat NP is Resurrection Fraught Hades
The incomplete version can resurrect the recently dead as long as the corpse isn't in too bad a shape, but the complete version which requires both the blood of the Gorgon and the power of a God seems to not have any restrictions.

>>3672615
>There's also Avalon, which for obvious reasons we can't use.
>I mean, maybe if we do actually become the fairy king or some shit we could maybe get the authority to use it or whatever. But it's current whereabouts are unknown.
This isn't a problem if the fairies can just make another.
>Now a real neat NP is Resurrection Fraught Hades
>The incomplete version can resurrect the recently dead as long as the corpse isn't in too bad a shape, but the complete version which requires both the blood of the Gorgon and the power of a God seems to not have any restrictions.
The real problem is getting in the good books of a goddess on the level of Artemis.

>>3672634
I mean, bringing back the Age of Gods would automatically put you on the top of every God or Goddesses "Pretty cool guy" list.

There's also Circe, who we are planning on deifying, aren't we?
She should become a fairly powerful Goddess.

Getting Avalon 2 made would be fucking hysterical, honestly.

>>3672644
>She should become a fairly powerful Goddess.
By all accounts she was a minor goddess, powerful in her own right but not in the same class as the Olympians. If Asclepius says he needs Artemis at the minimum, I'd be inclined to trust him.
Not that Artemis would be unwilling to lend us her power, although Zeus would shoot us down again most likely.
>Getting Avalon 2 made would be fucking hysterical, honestly.
Another reason Alberich is the real Arthur: he has Avalon and she doesn't.

>>3672683
>he has Avalon and she doesn't
At that point Alberich will just exist solely to piss off Arturia.

As for Circe, I suppose it depends on if the worship of a deity has any affect on their power, because if so she'll quickly become immensely powerful after we build her a temple in every city we conquer.

>>3672683
From what I remember of the mythology of the Olympic pantheon, I think either Athena or Ares would be willing patrons of Alberich. Of course, the former is infinitely preferable to the latter, but beggars cannot be choosers. Both Artemis and Alberich have an inclination towards defending young girls- there is an off-chance that she too would be a willing patron.. It's really kind of funny, as I can't find any more Roman divinities who would favor Alberich. I suppose Circe really did help him become him into a more Greek hero than anything.

Beyond the Hellenes, I can't say I have too much of a familiarity with any pagan belief systems. Do any of you anons know of any Norse, Celtic, Germanic, or even near/far Eastern dieties who might favor our hero? I've only played Fate/Stay and Hollow Ataraxia, so I really don't know a whole lot about how divine spirits are used in the wider nasuverse.

>>3672791
>far eastern dieties
Well, Amaterasu would be great, as she's the most powerful deity seen in series, literally being the sun.
Unfortunately it's not realistically possible to get her attention.

Other pantheons... the Mesopotamian Gods are some of the most powerful around, but Ishtar is a bitch.
We don't really know what Gods would favour Alberich beyond him bringing the Age of Gods back (where they can actually return to their full power). He has however spoken to an avatar of a multitude of divinities that seemed to like him somewhat.

He hasn't really done much to piss any Gods off.

>>3672791
Perun, Mahakala or Kalki?
Kalki is especially good because his myth tied to ending of Kali Yuga. Which kind of works with restarting Age of Gods for us.

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>>3672791
>Norse
Nobody in particular I can think of, although Loki is always willing to use us as a pawn in one of his practical jokes. Hel in particular wouldn't like it if we tried to transgress the natural order by resurrecting people.
Ditto for Germanic because it's the same as Norse.
>Celtic
The Dagda was known for his magic club, one end of which could kill nine men and the other end of which could resurrect them, although I'm not certain he'd help us.

>>3672815
>Kalki
Technically he doesn't exist yet. He's only supposed to show up at the end of the Kali Yuga, which is delayed while the Age of Man is in progress.

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>>3672816
Looks too old.

>>3672812
>Amaterasu
Let's never talk to her. She's the worst and probably a futa.
>>3672831
Still too old. You need to go full loli

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>>3672812
>>3672839
>Amaterasu
It is super Tamamo.

You know who'd be a pretty cool guy to meet? Chronos.

>>3672852
Yep.
She's strong enough to fight against the thing that slapped the Earth Gods and win if she wanted to.
She doesn't give a fuck about time either.

>>3672854
>All mythologies are real, but OUR gods are the BEST!
I feel like this is why Nasu mostly kept Japanese heroes out of F/SN.

>>3672856
*Sasaki Kojiro greatest swordsman in existence so good he breaksr eality*
Yep.
I mean, the given reason is that she's a Sun God and is thus on a different level than a planetary God.
Which is OK I suppose. But there's a Sun God in most pantheons so it's still dumb.
Extra is dumb, what can I say?

>>3672816
>What if Hitler was busty Azusa?
REJECTED!
>>3672831
Better, although not perfect. Adelheid's skirt is black and pleated, for one thing.
>>3672858
I feel like the Kojirou-wank was somewhat mitigated by having him be fictional. It's basically saying "this is what we wish our actual heroic spirits were like".
>there's a Sun God in most pantheons
Working with the unified polytheism concept, maybe that sun god is all sun gods. Amaterasu is Helios et cetera, and merely chose to appear in its Japanese form because it was communicating with Hakuno, a Japanese character.

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>>3672869
>Amaterasu is just one aspect of one deity with DID
What would its other personae be like?

>>3672869
Kojirou really does make sense, as he's essentially just a mishmash of swordsman myths and realities.

>Working with the unified polytheism concept, maybe that sun god is all sun gods. Amaterasu is Helios et cetera, and merely chose to appear in its Japanese form because it was communicating with Hakuno, a Japanese character.
Man, I can't wait to meet some actual gods. I wonder what Alberich will see...

>>3672881
Imagine meeting one of the primordials, like Nox/Nyx.

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Would Alberich get along with Cu?
I mean, I can just see Gae Bolg getting cut in half during a failed parry should they actually fight.
But I mean outside of trying to murder each other.

I do wonder if we could find the realm of shadows in INS. We could go and get bullied by Scathatch.

>>3672881
There's also Musashi, who's from a purged timeline or some shit, she's even more overpowered than Kojiro.
Also a girl. Why not?

Then again, Nyx would probably be above even Ammy, so let's not.

>>3672902
Cu's too straightforward and "good" of a guy to get along with Alberich desu. He'd probably sniff him out as disingenuous just as fast as Arturia did. He'd be REALLY fun to fight though, at least until Gae Bolg is brought to bear. Does a rift of the imaginary realm count as a projectile?

>>3672902
This makes me wonder how Alberich would do in F/SN if he replaced Artoria somehow.

>>3672911
I don't think sword beams and the like count as projectiles.
I can't imagine an Excaliblast swerving for him.
Also, considering it's a rift to another world it would probably ignore it anyway, it's not like Cu reflects air.

Also Cu is kind of an asshole, he can get along with Archimedes, after all.
He's also a rapist.
He also murdered his best friend.
He also murdered his own son.
No regrets.

>>3672921
>Alberich in F/SN
So this is how you unlock famous Illyasviel and Medea routes. I see now.

>>3672875
Well, most sun gods fall into one of two archetypes, I find. You have your Ra/king of the gods archetype, where the sun god is the chief deity (or in the case of the Aztec pantheon, becoming the chief deity gave you the status of sun god). So, assuming our proto-Amaterasu sun god isn't any of the Aztec deities (who are aliens according to FGO) we have one persona that wears various outfits, our "ruler of heaven" sun god. The second archetype is the Helios/Sol archetype, where the sun god is a relatively minor character who traverses the sky and doesn't do much else, leaving the major mythmaking to people who aren't busy making the day/night cycle happen. I'm thinking this is the character this god takes on for pantheons it wasn't very interested in intervening in, for whatever reason.

>>3672921
As of right now?
He'd get fucking destroyed.
Actually Shirou wouldn't even live long enough to summon him
Even if he did, he likely loses against Cu due to Shirou nerfing him.

In the fifth war to have a chance, he'd need to be an Extra Saber with a decent Master.
Illya would be confused.

>>3672921
>Alberich with utter trash physical stats
>Having to put up with Shirou's autism
Heiligöffnungschwert gets us a major leg up, and lets him contend with even the better servants of F/SN. Thank Christ the "cuts everything" is a passive trait now. Archer hard counters him, so Shirou is going to have to fucking carry there. I'd say he has a chance/10 versus Berserker, but really is fucked. Alberich could ruin Lancer, Rider, and the fake Assassin pretty easily desu. Caster could fuck him up, but is kind of an idiot so he has a solid chance against her and Kuzuki.

>>3672934
>Medea route
>Ruining best pair of Souichirou and Medea
>Going for worst girl
No. Now, the Ilya route..........

>>3672939
He could very easily recognise Medea's staff and Divine Words and ask her if she knows Circe, though.
Possibly get her to agree to an alliance, depending on how much respect Medea has for her aunt and teacher.
He might try to protect Illya depending on the circumstances.
Might attempt to fight Gil at the Einzbern Castle if UBW.
Might even win with Berserker's help.
With his link to the Imaginary Number Realm and Element, he might actually be able to harm the Shadow.
EMIYA is a hard counter but Cu is a hard counter to EMIYA.

But honestly, he's pretty much fucked unless he's an Extra servant.

We would probably get along relatively well with Nyx, despite her being too old in every aspect, now that I think about it.

>>3672957
>But honestly, he's pretty much fucked unless he's an Extra servant.
Literally fucked, as I imagine Heiligöffnungschwert eats up energy when activated like there's no tomorrow.

>>3672971
I wonder who would be a decent Master...
>inb4 Luvia

>>3672976
>Fate/Stay, but Alberich replaces Cu on the Kirei squad
I really want this all of the sudden. Imagine the FUN!

>>3672976
>any Edelfelt
>a good Master for Alberich