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What have you done?

Those words floated through the black morass of your mind, whispered by voices you should have recognized. Too many voices. Too many people to answer.

What have you done, monster?

The Paladin still lingered over you, somewhere out of sight. Out of sense, for what passed for it in this ambivalent abyss. You couldn't stand up to him again, not after what he'd done to you. There hadn't even been a fight before you were done in. Before the snapping bones rent you from your body, and the mortal coil along with it.

What have you done this time, Irue?

Rinnier was going to be furious with you. She was already demanding an explanation. If you just kept your eyes closed, maybe you could sleep a little longer. You were exhausted. Every part of your body ached. All you wanted to do was curl tighter into yourself, putting off the flame haired Testament's wrath; Somberly setting aside the traitorous thoughts that told you she was worried. You couldn't help what happened.

What have you done, Master?

Ari mever confronted you over the invasion of privacy your Atelier borne skill had caused. Maybe she didn't care. Maybe she was too nervous. Maybe it wasn't her place. Maybe... But your apology felt weak. You felt the violation even if she hadn't spoken. Just another reason to stay asleep.

What did you do, Rue?

If Kara ever found out that you were the one responsible for her pack. For the state they were in, for everything that happened. It wasn't an accident, you had wanted to hurt them - to crush them - for defying you. You'd been so tired of dealing with the disrespect, the bullshit, that you exercised your power without a second thought... And it felt good. Even seeing what it did, the memory brought a bitter, blackhearted smile to your face. But you didn't want to hurt Kara. It wasn't an accident, you weren't sorry, but it was your fault. Maybe she already knew, though. Maybe that was why she'd betrayed you.

What's happened, ser?

You'd tell Dullem later. He would wait. He always waited. Probably afraid to press you, he kept his head down and fretted quietly. His fate, all of their fates, were tied to yours but he was too nervous to put himself out there. Not that it mattered, you guess; He wouldn't understand. None of them understood you very well. Not yet. Maybe not ever.
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What have you done, Valen?

Priat was probably worried about Mim. He'd made you promise to try and be friends with her after he left... But it was harder than you thought. Everything was always harder than you'd thought. You were trying, though. You sent her back. She was safe.

Irue! What have you done!?

You'd have to apologize when you woke up. It wouldn't be long and you'd be back, just like you promised. Just wait a little while. A couple hours. Days. Weeks? Just wait, Mim...

Precious child, what have you done?

Your consciousness drifted further from the surface under the gentle cradle of leaves and creaking bows. A song which soothed your childhood through open windows, lulling you from your days and nights into nothing. That's right... You were safe. You were safe in these woods. You'd always been safe here, tucked away from the world. You could read until the leaves weighed heavy against your eyes, and rest in the shade among the roots and soft grass blankets. Words lost in the forest pried against your ears, but Asche was near. She would handle it.

What have you done, Irue?!

Caylen wouldn't forgive you once he found out what you did. The lengths you were willing to go to get rid of these people. The path you'd chosen. In the back of your mind you'd wanted to save your cousin before it was too late. To extricate him from the harpy that had attached herself to his arm. To remind him that he'd been your friend since you were born... That he was the only thing you still had from back then that was yours, and not cast off your sister or inherited otherwise. You wanted to do that, but the time never seemed right. The words were hard to say. The feelings even harder to understand. If you dreamed long enough, maybe you could forget it all. Forget that there was nothing to save in the first place. That you'd both walked too far from each other to reach anymore.

Stupid, stupid child... What have you done?

You felt yourself submerge beneath the viscous black, sinking from the surface as consciousness fled and left you cuddled weakly in warmth which bade you sleep. Sleep. Sleep on. You would apologize when you woke up. She'd forgive you... She might have expected something like this, anyway.
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This pitiful thing is Irue Valen. Heir to House Valen, for all that mattered. This was the second time you'd awoken to find them in critical condition, but this time it seemed they lacked even the where-withal to give you attitude as they had before. Their body was broken, their psyche... Hadn't been whole even before their latest debacle. Voices echoed tirelessly in this empty place; A palace of ghosts, jealously guarded by an broken little thing which pretended to find purpose in its selfishness. But not right now. Right now it was busy evicting something else. And you... You shouldn't be awake. Not unless it was serious.

Perhaps you shouldn't give the silly little thing too much trouble. If it was broken, then you would be incomplete at best. That certainly made no sense, there was no way you would have left yourself incomplete, yet - Here you are! Struggling to claw yourself awake only in these fleeting moments of emergency.

For the moment you had the run of the place, as Irue Valen certainly wasn't in any shape to say otherwise. The half dissolved manifestation was content to curl into itself, fading in and out of its own shell as an ugly pulsing scar cast its shadow across their hole riddled form.

Unsightly, and the form that shadow took raised a number of other questions you weren't sure you wanted answers to... Oh but you so, morbidly, craved the answers to.

Unfortunately that would have to wait, as the amount of repairs this body needed was-

Wait.

This wasn't Irue's body.

Irue shouldn't even be alive like this.
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"Hey!" You turn back towards the broken tool, a burning suspicion settling in. You don't know what's happening, but there was exactly one thing keeping that stupid, stupid child alive right now and- "Hey, you're going to ruin everything, let it in!"

'Our precious child!'
'What have they done!?'
'You can't keep them from us!'
'We can't lose them!'
'Please! Please, listen! This place isn't for them!'


Yet even as the forest cried, its influence could only so much as stain the entry. A basin of essence which begged to overflow but found no purchase, no mercy nor understanding, from the stalwart tool that turned aside its pleading arms.

"No." The tool replied simply, rebuffing the essence with the physical force of its single syllable response even as it cast a disparaging glance towards you.

"What do you mean 'no', you broken thing?" You coo back acidly, "You're in no state to negotiate. We are in no state to negotiate. If that doesn't get to work, Irue won't survive this!"

"Yes."

"And you choose now to be stubborn?"

"If I let it in, the corruption will spread." The tool defended weakly. "It can not enter."

"If you don't then there won't be anything left to enter!"

"..." The tool ignored you, turning its attention back to rebuff the sneakily prowling tendrils from finding entry. Furious, desperate shrieks followed predictably, finding similarly little purchase of pity in the single minded sentinel which stood in its way.

"...Fine." You sniff, "Then I'll kill Irue myself."

The tool tensed. Without deigning to so much as look back, their silent rejection was absolute. "You will not."

"Try me." One hand came to your hip, smirking at the broken thing's back.

"You can not." Its tone changed, certainty wavering as its awareness cut towards you reproachfully.

You had seen worse. Felt worse. Bargained with more remorseless. "Can you stop me from trying and keep that Mana out at the same time?"

"..." It frowned as you made towards Irue's dormant existence, expression darkening as the scowl set upon its face deepened with every step you took. "Stop."

"Let it in."

"I-"

You laid a hand across the crown of the sleeping blonde's head, stroking the absurdly long hair once in appreciation. It had grown out so long... If they'd just braid it. Surely there was someone around to do that?

"Too late." You announce, letting your hands close around Irue's throat, ignoring the tool's pained plea for mercy. "I'm not leaving my child in a coma."
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"̷̨́͢W̶͟͝͠ḩ̢á̶̵̡͘t̸͠͠ ̕ḱ̡i̶͢n̕͞d́͝͠ ̶̴̀͞͝o͢f̵̵ ̷̴̢̛í̛̀d͞͡͡͡i͘͢͟͡ó̡̨́͝t̨̛̕͟ ͢͡t̷̵̶͜͠a̵̷̕͢k̷͠͡͞e̷͠ś̷͢ ̧̀̀a̵̵͠ ̨̛̀͠ǹ̸̷̨͡a̡p̶̨ ͟͢͞w̸̢̡͜h̵͠e̛͘͜n͢͡͡ ̶̨Į͝ ͢͝h̸̢͢ą̷́͜v̸͜e̛͡͠͞ņ̛͝'̛̀t̸́̕͝ ̴́́͢͡ę͝v͘̕͠e̸͟͠n̶ ̀͘͝s̛͘͟ę̷è̷̢ǹ̀̕͢ ̵̢̡̕t̴͡h̴̡͠ȩ̀m̷̸̧͢͞ ̷͘͞f̵̨͜͞o̶̵̴ŗ̵̴̀ ̛̀t́h̡r̀͟͝é̢̛́͞é̶ ̡͡m̵̷̛͟ó̸̧͞ń̵̢́͢t̡h̵͢͡s̶̵?̵̸̵͢"̶̢̧ ̴́̕͜He̸̡̨ŗ̡͝ ̧͡a̸̡͟r̴̀́m̶̧̨͝s̡ ̶̸͜͡͡c̷̷̢͟r͟ò̵̢͢͝s̀͢s̕ ̢̕͜͝ì̧͜͠͡n͜͢͡ ̷͠͝v̸̢͝͞ę̛́͟͝x̨͟a̡t̸͘͠ì̛̕͠ó̡͟ņ̛,̷ ͢͞"̧͘͢I̸͝ ̴͡͝t̸̡̛͢͡h̵̨́͠o͢͠ù̡̢́͝g̷̛͞h̵͘͞͡t̶͟͞͡ ̴͘͠͞y̴̛͢͡o͟u͘͡͡'̧̨̨̢d̷͞͠ ̶̢́͠d̢̛i̴͟͠͞e̡͠d̵̴̛͠.̢̀͟͠"̶͜

"I've been around. Mostly kept myself busy dealing with local problems. Rinnier said it might make it a bit easier on me if we secured Carona." you scratched your cheek awkwardly, trailing off you spoke. "Anyway, I've... I-" Something was wrong. Who were you?

"̧̀͜͞.́́͜.̡.͝H̶ǫ͜l̶̸̢̨̛d̵̢͟͞ ̸̴̨͡o̧̕͠ņ̴͜͢.̢̀͜"̧͢ ̸̡́͝S̵̨̀h̸͢e̢̡ ̡͜ļ̴̛̕į͜͟c̷͠͡k͢͠e̴̢d̸̨͢ ̡̧͢͡h̕͟͞e̛͟͡r̷̡̢̨͢ ̧̡́͟͝l̢̨͠í̷͘͟p̡̛͟s̴ ̷̵̛͡͡ą̸̶̨͢ń̷x̶̨̛͟͡ì̷̵͞o̶̷̧͜u̶̸̢s̛͘͢͝l̸̢̧̨̨y̴̵̢ ̶̨͡ą̵͡͞s̶̨͠ ͜y̷̧o͘͟͠ư͘͜ ́t̨̀͜úr̸̵̀͜͡ń̸̛͝e̢d͘ ̷̴̨̛a̕͘w̡̛͢͡á̀y͘͠.̡̀͝͠ ̶̡̀"́͘Ẃ̴̕͝h̵̵̕e͘͜n̷̵̷̕ ̢̧͟a̡͠r̶̨͜e̸̕̕͟͝ ́y̨͘͠ou̴͟ ̛͘͡c͘͜ǫ̛́̀m̡̨̀͠ì̧̕͟ǹģ̀͠ ̶̢b́͟a̢͘c͟͞k̸͠?̡̕"̧͢

"Back?" You blink in confusion, "Back where?" Where were you?

"̀͝H̵̷͘͟é̢̧͘r͝e͜͡,̧̀͝͠ ̡̛͟͜͝ý̷̡͡o̴u̶̕ ̸̢í̵̸̡͘d̶̷͘i̧̕͠͡o͠͞t͝.̨̢ ̶̴̷B̴̢a̧ck̀́͟ ̢͘͜͝t̶̵̛͟͞o̢͘-̢̀́͜"̨̨͝
Y̷̴̛͠ơ̸͠u ̧̛͘i̢̕͝͝d̴̀͢͝i̢̢o̷̷̢̨͠t̴-̴̶̢̡
̵̢L̵͟i͢͢f̸́è́͞
W̸̧͡͞á̶̵̢ḱ͞͠e̴̢͠
̢́E̛a͝͠s̢̢t̛̀͟
̵̧Í̶̧̡͟d̸́i̧̛͜o̸̕t̵̨̡̕
̴̀͘͢M̸̡̀e̡͟͠͝
̷̸̨H͞é̴̸̀r͞͡͞e̷̵͢͠
̶̀͟Ù̴́͘p͢͜͟
͝B̷̷̢́͞a̶̢͜͡c̶͝k̷͝

"I-I..."

G͘͟E̷̡̨T͢ ͞Y̸͜Ớ̛͘͜U̴̶͝R̡͘͝͠͡ ̀A͢S̶͡Ś̷ ̸̧͠B̸A̢̛͜Ć̴K̶̶ ̧U̸̷P̶̴͘͠
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Your eyes snapped open, willing your ruptured lungs to heave the full contents of their blood flooded hollows to slosh nauseatingly in your chest. In the broken, miserable chest of the Paladin whose body you still wore even as the roots and vines of Dryad cradled you under the Mana's firefly gaze.

'Dear child,'
'You came back!'
'You cling to life by threads.'
'We cannot heal you.'
'You worried us.'


You heave helplessly for breath, unable to convince the ruined tatters of your lungs to do their job any longer. This body was far past its limits. Nothing should survive this. You needed... You needed to change. The Diary- Where?

Panic was setting in. You were alive but you couldn't breathe. Your veins weren't pulsing. Your body was cold. For every given sign you were dead but life persisted unreasonably. Your body was dead, you were alive, you couldn't-

The Ice Queen's Relic cracked open as you lay your face haggardly against its pages, unable to cry, unable to expel the bile and vomit from your pulverized stomache. You had to... You were... Irue Valen.

And with that breath, everything was right in this world again. A veil of blonde hair cascaded from your side, intertwined with the possessively growing ivy as your sharp crimson eyes grew hot. Tears blurred your vision, too many to stop, too many to control, and you curled into yourself and screamed wordlessly as panic closed in around you with every desperately fired urge to breathe, for your heart to beat, for your veins to pulse.

You cried. You screamed. Your hands dug at the ground, clutching desperately for something, anything, to hold onto as you rode through the emotions torrentially breaking your composure. Dryad's leafy embrace was only too happy to hold you, until even this uninjured body - Your own body, who you should have been - was too physically exhausted from the ordeal to do more than quiver with spine wracking sniffles and hiccups. Unable to contain the low and plaintive moan that hummed in your throat and bubbled past your trembling lips everytime your jaw drifted apart.

You were alive. You were alive. You were...

You are Irue Valen.

>?
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Previous Threads:
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=Valen+Quest

Where things are said: https://twitter.com/Riz_QM
Where things are asked: http://ask.fm/RizQM

Assorted Supplemental:
Irue Things (up to 74) - https://pastebin.com/PchcdWpw
A List of Forgotten Things (up to 74) - http://pastebin.com/kPEscJ3h
Irue's Memoirs (Scares the QM to update) - http://pastebin.com/sWnicrK7

Write-ups:
Kara's Day Out - http://pastebin.com/8ZbiSKLs
Adventures with Asche - http://pastebin.com/RNviCBJu
The Reclaimed Doll - http://pastebin.com/n6miP1qT
In Your Shadow - http://pastebin.com/EfeeHFAE
Friends Forever - http://pastebin.com/Yn0QaTVB
The Woman Beneath Steel - http://pastebin.com/pMGgiHC3
Paper Flowers - https://pastebin.com/Pk0W7rEm
Merciless Compass - https://pastebin.com/8Hy0krxv

Misc notes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRDeB9UGCjE


Memo:
1. Ask Asche what she wants, some time
2. Return and investigate the Dryad Shrine
3. Bring Miska and the other "People skilled with arms, with a taste for conflict" with us to the main house.
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>>3803380
>"̷̨́͢W̶͟͝͠ḩ̢á̶̵̡͘t̸͠͠ ̕ḱ̡i̶͢n̕͞d́͝͠ ̶̴̀͞͝o͢f̵̵ ̷̴̢̛í̛̀d͞͡͡͡i͘͢͟͡ó̡̨́͝t̨̛̕͟ ͢͡t̷̵̶͜͠a̵̷̕͢k̷͠͡͞e̷͠ś̷͢ ̧̀̀a̵̵͠ ̨̛̀͠ǹ̸̷̨͡a̡p̶̨ ͟͢͞w̸̢̡͜h̵͠e̛͘͜n͢͡͡ ̶̨Į͝ ͢͝h̸̢͢ą̷́͜v̸͜e̛͡͠͞ņ̛͝'̛̀t̸́̕͝ ̴́́͢͡ę͝v͘̕͠e̸͟͠n̶ ̀͘͝s̛͘͟ę̷è̷̢ǹ̀̕͢ ̵̢̡̕t̴͡h̴̡͠ȩ̀m̷̸̧͢͞ ̷͘͞f̵̨͜͞o̶̵̴ŗ̵̴̀ ̛̀t́h̡r̀͟͝é̢̛́͞é̶ ̡͡m̵̷̛͟ó̸̧͞ń̵̢́͢t̡h̵͢͡s̶̵?̵̸̵͢"̶̢̧ ̴́̕͜He̸̡̨ŗ̡͝ ̧͡a̸̡͟r̴̀́m̶̧̨͝s̡ ̶̸͜͡͡c̷̷̢͟r͟ò̵̢͢͝s̀͢s̕ ̢̕͜͝ì̧͜͠͡n͜͢͡ ̷͠͝v̸̢͝͞ę̛́͟͝x̨͟a̡t̸͘͠ì̛̕͠ó̡͟ņ̛,̷ ͢͞"̧͘͢I̸͝ ̴͡͝t̸̡̛͢͡h̵̨́͠o͢͠ù̡̢́͝g̷̛͞h̵͘͞͡t̶͟͞͡ ̴͘͠͞y̴̛͢͡o͟u͘͡͡'̧̨̨̢d̷͞͠ ̶̢́͠d̢̛i̴͟͠͞e̡͠d̵̴̛͠.̢̀͟͠"̶͜
wat
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>>3803381
We need to focus
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>>3803381
I dunno Riz.
>Smile!
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>>3803381
>Get our shit together and get up
>First order of business is to find out what happened to the paladin and eliminate him if needed.
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>>3803381

You came back! Twice this century even, good for you!

Also, someone decided to fill out poor Rinner's beard.

Well, that was an opening. Irue's head is even more crowded that I thought. I count 4 conversationalists. One is Dryad. The "tool" is Asche? Whoever they are, good on them for keeping us from being corrupted, though Rue will be unaware it didn't take. Another is our mother, maybe?

I'm surprised "Dullem" didn't mention us destroying the fist camp via Nightgaunts, or destroying the second with OakenRue.
Speaking of, all the extraordinary wildlife that was quieted with Dryad's sleep will be back in force.

>This was the second time you'd awoken to find them in critical condition
I don't recall a fist time. Maybe during the Oakenbear fight?

>Surely there was someone around to do that?
Rue would never do that to her precious hair. Is that a hint of some kind?

>"̀͝H̵̷͘͟é̢̧͘r͝e͜͡,̧̀͝͠ ̡̛͟͜͝ý̷̡͡o̴u̶̕ ̸̢í̵̸̡͘d̶̷͘i̧̕͠͡o͠͞t͝.̨̢ ̶̴̷B̴̢a̧ck̀́͟ ̢͘͜͝t̶̵̛͟͞o̢͘-̢̀́͜"̨̨͝
>Y̷̴̛͠ơ̸͠u ̧̛͘i̢̕͝͝d̴̀͢͝i̢̢o̷̷̢̨͠t̴-̴̶̢̡
>̵̢L̵͟i͢͢f̸́è́͞
>W̸̧͡͞á̶̵̢ḱ͞͠e̴̢͠
>̢́E̛a͝͠s̢̢t̛̀͟
>̵̧Í̶̧̡͟d̸́i̧̛͜o̸̕t̵̨̡̕
>̴̀͘͢M̸̡̀e̡͟͠͝
>̷̸̨H͞é̴̸̀r͞͡͞e̷̵͢͠
>̶̀͟Ù̴́͘p͢͜͟
>͝B̷̷̢́͞a̶̢͜͡c̶͝k̷͝
One of these words is not like the others...


>You were alive but you couldn't breathe. Your veins weren't pulsing. Your body was cold. For every given sign you were dead but life persisted unreasonably. Your body was dead, you were alive, you couldn't-
I wonder if spending time in undeath contributed to our Foundation

>?
>>3804146
This. We got work to do, and the fist step is to make sure the guy that almost crushed our skull isn't in a position to try again. Next step will be to figure out what happened to the rest of the paladin's group.
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>>3803381
>Get up and fucking merc that Paladin.

Guys i think we've got an opportunity to use the diary again before we resume hostilities- dude KILLED us, no way we can let this go.

I thought about taking on Karas identity, but that may not be enough. We can't take someone's magical affinity but what about Asche, she's crazy strong and is naturally able to fuck up apparitions with her bear hands. We might copy that ability since i don't think it's born from affinity.
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>>3803381
Wait can Irue hear Dryad now?
>Converse with Dryad

>>3804558
Dryad killed the wisp adept, we don't need to fight him.Also Asche is physically very weak and does not suppress affinity by punching things.
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>>3804575
>Dryad killed the wisp adept
Likely, yes. But we need to make sure. Last thing we need is him popping up again.
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And speaking of the bracelet- we can phone any mana, but if they don't pick up the artifact rips a piece of our soul to echo our desire.

How the hell do we make sure the mana will answer? Mint managed to do it, so we should too.

and huh, apparently the Irue is the Doll theory got some unexpected support here. The choice of words of suspect. Thing, repairs? Yet another intervention by mother. Calling Asche the tool, though... Suppose it can still swing either way. Or its both because why not [/]
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>>3804592
This is fine, I just don't want to transform recklessly when we can't die here anyway.
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>>3804575
She didn't even get bruised when Rinnier beat her up with a spear (or staff, whatever) and she manhandled shadowrue like she was made of paper, with one hand
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>>3804602
She tanked Rinnier's attack and then fell on the ground like a dead fish, only getting back up when she was finished knitting herself back together, the demihuman was also able to easily throw her around too before she fucked with his shade scar.

She appears to have a powerful ability relating to mana and a strange hardiness but she's always been portrayed as physically very weak.
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>>3804593
>How the hell do we make sure the mana will answer? Mint managed to do it, so we should too.
That would require understanding the workings of their minds, which Riz has told us repeatedly are vast, unknowably alien things.
Mint managed some, but not all according to the legends, and legends tend to grow in the telling. Who knows how much control she actually had?

Personally, I'm fine with continuing to "misuse" the bracelet. Without a certainly of an answer, it's a roll of the dice every time anyway. Actually, unless intent is a part of the process, we've only contacted one of the Mana once: Luna, and it stole our memories for the trouble.

>>3804596
I doubt Rue will be in the right headspace to use the dairy again for a while anyway, seeing as we're in the middle of a panic attack due to dying in someone else's body.
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>>3803373
. . . Lools like I missed a thread.

Also.

What.
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>>3804558
Fuck the diary.

Use the bracelet.

I mean, sure it could kill us BUT LOOKS LIKE THAT HAPPENS ANYWAYS so I mean really fuck it.

Fucking hell.

Everyone is so worried about the cost, like there's going to be anything left of Irue afterwards anyways. Like power ever came for *free*.

Summon a wisp. Heal ourselves.

Resolve to pay whatever cost necessary to achieve our goals. Everyone, everyTHING dies.

The question is what, and who, we leave behind.

How valuable, really, is our humanity compared to our obligations?

We drove Asche away already. Now we can burn ourselves on a pyre to light the darkness. Nobelesse oblige and all that.

Let's take the kid gloves off.

Go grab that ancient Shade apparition. Put a Dryad golem core into the Not!Tarrasque under Carona. Go talk to our Aunt and drag out what she knows and get her to help us find those fucking tamers.

Or die, our obligations unfulfilled and our ambitions toothless having only brought failure and pain to this world.

Time to shit, or get off the pot.
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>>3805060
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3736972/
Things went very wrong very fast at the end of the last thread, and we were stuck between a rock and a hard place. We made our choice, but we'll pay for it in time.
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>>3803406
>>3804146
>>3804266
Focus!

>>3803496
Smile brokenly...?

>>3804146
>>3804266
>>3804558
Where's that paladin?

>>3804575
babble to Dryad!
Dryad's whispers aren't a new thing, you've heard them since before entering its Atelier.

I'll call the vote here!

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>>3804266
>Century
You're going to run out of units of measurement! Stop that!

>Beard
I hate that I am going to save this too, but my biggest complaint is that the beard isn't as shiny as the rest of the hair. Rinnier maintains a well groomed appearance whenever possible! No scruffies!

>>3805060
Welcome back!
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>>3805074
>>3805074
I'm just saying, let's go full evil overlord on our enemies.

Once we grab that Shade apparition, we can jack into it like we did the Dryad as opposed to have an aborted one torn from our soul. Then we can hopefully use that to push some fucking shit out of our Aunt instead of playing stupid fucking inheritance games with her.

We need to bring up the whole "end of the world" issue and get her to drop her fucking bullshit. She's probably lost a son already, she shouldn't throw away any chance of getting him back.
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>>3805098
Things that have worked

> irrational violence
> Wildly overestimating ourselves
> Disregarding the cost of our soul
> Not looking before leaping
> Forcing people to go along with us.
> The power of friendship

Things that haven't worked
>Caution
> Planning
> Being reasonable with people
> Allowing our enemies to live
> Not using the bracelet

Clearly sheer recklessness is the answer.

Even down to calling for Dryad last thread.
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>>3805073
As it stands, we have already shirked our obligations by harboring a known infected. We cannot profess to be looking out for the wellbeing of our realm while allowing plague bearers to freely roam the streets. This war we're frantically scrabbling to get ready for will not be over until no infected stand.

Speaking of, a long term line item is to look at reinforcing Dryad's prison. As we understand, in its now awakened state it will be "banging on the walls", which can only stand so much abuse.
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>>3805131
We judged the realm and found its compromise *wanting*.

And in turn, we've seen that trying to compromise the cost to ourself to be equally wanting.

We want it all? Then we have to give it our all.
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>>3805137
On the contrary, it was us that compromised, and will be found wanting eventually. There is no cure for corruption; the last group to try succumbed themselves. The day will come when she will have to be killed. All we did was delay it a little because we were to weak to do it ourselves.
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Rolled 54 (1d100)

Pay no attention to the rolled dice, it is irrelevant and will not concern you.
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>>3805073
>>3805107
If you can come up with a way to create and control more oakenrues and have a feasible plan to mindjack the behemoth i will support it. We are out of workable resources that can stand against our enemies.

>>3805116
I'm all for reckless abandon up to a point, let's see just how much we can fuck Artemis up without kickstarting the doomsday clock. Let's begin with no survivors and go from there
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More than the panic which strangled you, there was fear; Crystal clear and razor sharp. It was enough to shear through your anxiety and clutch the Diary of Reflections to your chest as you strained against the coiling ivy snare. The Wisp Adept, where was he? You'd underestimated him for a moment and nearly lost your life for it.... You did lose your life for it. That man fucking killed you!

But you were alive now. You weren't dead, you still had the Diary of Reflections, you could still do... Something. You had no idea what, calling Dryad had been your only recourse, but if he was still here somewhere, if you showed your back and lost your life again...

For now you had to focus. Cornered and desperate, you looked through the forest for some sign, some hint of his where abouts. Kara wasn't here to save you this time, your doppleganger wasn't here to support you, you needed to- To calm down. To focus. To find- Find him?

'Shhh, dear child.'
'You are safe.'
'Nothing shall harm you here.'
'Under our bows.'
'We will not lose again.'


"Where is he?" You ignore Dryad's whispers, shifting wild-eyed on your knees while struggling to extricate yourself from the ivy's creeping embrace. "The paladin, the wisp adept- Where?!"

'That child is fled.'
'Stricken and ailing.'
'Yet lives.'
'Out of our reach...'
'Our lessers hunt them.'


Gone... He was gone. You don't know whether to relax or scream, and the indecision which warred between the two left you collapsed onto your calves and smiling manically. Something felt broken inside, rattling around behind your empty grin and choking giggles. "Gone. He's still out there. Heh. Hehee, gone." It hurt to swallow these feelings, craning your neck around to take a second, more thorough look around you. Amber fireflies nestled through the ivy vines around you, crawling along your sleeves and through your hair, coating the trunks of trees with even yet a handful of them hovering around you. They were fireflies in name only, bearing no resemblance to the summer evening insect in reality - No more than the luminescent glow of amber which they gave off.

In reality that amber is all they were; Dryad's own blood, the manifestation of a Simulacra Fragment from which the sleeping Mana's restless mind peered into its cage. This was the much vaunted fae which gave the forest its name, and which many believed your family had some secret connection to - A belief that was ultimately correct, even if the truth of the matter was far more complicated. Its presence here was as reassuringly soothing to your frantic nerves as it was a sickening realization of what you'd done.

"You're... Awake." Your head hangs, hollow smile afixed ever stronger as disassociation worked its magic and left you moving almost from without.
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'Fret not, precious child,'
'Sleep is fleeting.'
'We would have awoken in time regardless.'
'Vengeance will be met.'
'You are safe now.'


Dammit. Everything you'd done in the Atelier... Just like that. Just to save your own life. "Please... Go back to sleep." A small voice, so pitiful that you almost didn't recognize it as your own.

'Our children...'
'It is a pleasant lie to dream of them.'
'We know they are lost.'
'Cried to us for help.'
'Are dead.'


A leaf of ivy brushed tenderly across your cheek. A featherlight kiss of the forest's will as it cooed blackness into your ear through creaking bows, a legion of voices which spoke with saccharine love and led your gaze with gentle gestures...

'We have grown.'
'No longer naive.'
'They will know loss.'
'We will rip from them everything they took from us.'
'Today was the beginning.'


...To the sea of corpses which occupied the forest further in. Fallen and scattered like autumn leaves, without so much of a sign of violence afflicted to their flesh. They fell where they stood, laying atop the earth as markers to their own graves. You recognized them, and found confirmation that your journey to this place had borne fruit to be of little comfort.

'Our love...'
'The gift of Life.'
'We have retracted it.'
'They do not deserve us.'
'Not after what they've done.'


Staring out across the motionless assembly of mercenaries and refugees, the smile afixed nervously to your face only quivered. This was what you wanted. This was what you brought them here for. You did it. Dryad's amber fireflies crawled across their clothes languidly, the forerunners to mother nature's reclamation as roots shifted beneath the earth and groggily rose to reach out towards one another; The beginning of a woven idol which nurtured itself on the offering before it.

Its tender claws wrapped around the pantsleg of the nearest body, pulling it back into its malformed maw and almost seemed to suckle upon its torso; Twisting and turning the mercenary bonelessly over as its probing root like tendrils thickened and hardened into bark-like teeth to pierce the armor and flesh. Flesh pulled taught and tore with wet, snapping pops with every limb twisted free and swallowed into the ever dirtying and eyeless face of this hulking beast, glowing warmly in the night by virtue of amber veins.

'We will find the one who hurt you.'
'Take back his torn, ruined gift.'
'Nourish our heart on his body.'
'He will never be welcome in our arms.'
'In time.'
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>>3805286
>'That child is fled.'
Dammit. That was supposed to be one of the only positives to this.
>and swallowed into the ever dirtying and eyeless face of this hulking beast
>'We will find the one who hurt you.'
>'Take back his torn, ruined gift.'
Even worse. The Oakenbears were explainable as a force of nature. Oakenrue is only known to few. But whatever this is will not be ignorable if it chases him back to civilization.

>'We will rip from them everything they took from us.'
Looks like the time for hiding is over then. Dryad will want the entire Shrine dead, they all participated. But 7 vs 1 is poor odds. I wonder if it has the sense to realize that.
Will Artemis fight with Dryad or against it, I wonder? They have both been corrupted.


Next time, for the love of God, don't go on a raid/assassination when you're a non-combatant.
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The partially formed Oakenbear raised its snout to consider you, only briefly, before turning its attention back towards the field sewn with sacrificial seeds. Another body joined the first in its ribmesh stomach, still yet unformed and hardened over with protective bark as muscles and have chewed skin oozed sickly copper stench and thick strings to trail along the ground. It wasn't, you realized with a single, trembling smile, the only one of its kind being born.

Dryad caressed you in its vines, reminding you uncomfortably of the days you'd woken in Eleanore's room smothered beneath the Mana's love-laden embrace.

>?

I thought this posted so I tabbed out and would have remained tabbed out an embarrassingly long time.
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>>3805313
>The partially formed Oakenbear
That's better, I think. At least it's not some new horror.

>you realized with a single, trembling smile
You know, we know of something else of Dryad's domain that loves to smile...

>?
We need to calm down. We're this close to snapping entirely. If we can manage it, flee back across the river, get clear of Dryad's smothering embrace and relax. Contemplation of what we've done can wait until we can think through it properly.
If we can't, just close our eyes so we can't see what we have wrought, and relax until we get a few steps back from the edge. Don't sleep if we can help it. We have no chance of catching the paladin, but we need to confirm Marcovich's fate.
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>>3805290
>'Vengeance will be met.'
>'You are safe now.'
>Dammit. Everything you'd done in the Atelier... Just like that. Just to save your own life. "Please... Go back to sleep." A small voice, so pitiful that you almost didn't recognize it as your own.
I have a terrible, terrible idea. If we can get clear of its domain and immortality aura, we have only one item we could bargain with: ourselves. We could attempt to blackmail Dryad into going back to sleep, on pain of leaving it by itself, or returning its gift of Life.
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>>3805313
I have to support >>3805325, because otherwise my only idea is to kill Ari and then ourselves to eliminate the corruption and hope Dryad goes back to sleep.
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>>3805311
Every time we swear to do better, to be smarter and every time we end up doing something idiotic. At least we sent Mim away, now she'll live another two days
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>>3805313
>Round up the oakenbears with the bracelet.
Well at least we have more apparitions now. Thanks Dryad!
>Ask Dryad about Marchovic and Raid, did they live?
>Ask Dryad what Asche is
>Ask Dryad if Irue is human
>Ask Dryad why we've never been able to manifest it's love
>Ask how long we've been here

>>3805339
I don't know if you've ever slept before but it's not something you can be blackmailed into.
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>>3805313
>Leave the domain
>Find Markovich
>Pretend to Raid that his double cross was part of the plan

>Stop plotting and realize that we are a monster and everyone will hate us forever except for the genocidal God of love and life.

Lol
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>>3805313
Oh and try to control the oakenbears. I'm sure dryad will lend them to us for protection
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>>3805410
Oh yeah and
>Thank Dryad for saving us
Does anyone have any more questions to bully Riz with? We don't get this opportunity too often so we may as well make the best of it.
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>>3805325
Supporting this.

>>3805311
You know a few threads back I wanted to ask: why not just go and acquire a squadron of knights for this task? Never did though. Maybe I should have
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>>3805455
Our "knights" are also noncombatants
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>>3805479
I wasn't talking about "our" knights.
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I don't think I ever really clarified this, but most of you probably notice that Dryad speaks almost exclusively in five lines and typically gets referred to as being comparable to legion, or a murmuring flood of whispers.

The first line of Dryad's speech is the beginning of its communication, but it's also the first "half" of Dryad's full thought. The following four lines are to be read as simultaneous conclusions to that first half, each of which being equally as genuine and intended as the others. You can imagine it as the voice of the first line proceeding to, mid statement, warp into four of the exact same voices overlapping entirely different words at once.

Trivia!
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>>3805496
Never thought about it this way, very interesting
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>>3805455
From where? Far as we know, they went with Caylen and the rest with Clara.

Besides, everyone is dead set against trying to get outside help even if it's warranted. Every idea to ask or call for help is shut down by paranoia or simple inaction. When we do get help, it's almost always from the wrong people for the worst reasons.

>>3805418
Yeah a thank you is in order.

>>3805313
Thank dryad.

If the fragment awoke in response to Irue, do you think we can direct their efforts? It would be nice if it didn't indiscriminately killed everyone and instead could be made to work for our interests.
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>>3805516
>If the fragment awoke in response to Irue, do you think we can direct their efforts?
The Simulacra Fragment can't leave the fae forest/Imprisoned Child's Atelier. Its concentration of Dryad's awareness is too high to slip through Artemis' bindings, and this adequately saves everyone in the surrounding area from it merrily revoking their right to live.

However if your requests don't necessitate it leaving its boundaries, then Dryad is liable to at the very least consider it.
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>>3805521
But it can send out its apparitions outside of its area of influence? The oakenbears around carona for example. So it can spawn them but after that they become autonomous, or act according to a directive? I assume the fragment has little to no control over the apparitions once they leave the atelier. Can it assume control if they return to the sphere of influence?
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>>3805629
Apparitions can occasionally slip free, yes! You've seen this in action before around the first time you entered the faeforest when you were forced to retreat and watch countless oakenrues attempt to crawl after you begging you to return as they died reaching desperately towards you.

You learned that Artemis uses this Atelier to bind its sleeping occupant's influence, though it isn't a perfect thing. It can't be a perfect thing or life itself would cease beyond its confines, so it functions as something of a filter to catch as much of Dryad as possible. The smaller, less dangerous apparitions are still capable of wandering beyond it to an extent. They are typically autonomous as all apparitions are when left to their own devices, but the nature of their birth influences their interests. Point in case, Oakenbears are born primarily from a desire for vengeance, or to punish, so they naturally derive most of their joy and interests from wandering around seeking out humans to murder and eat. Or already dead humans to reclaim. The act itself is cathartic, and very briefly soothes an on going seething anger that they by all likelihood feel since birth. Oakenrues on the other hand... Well, Irue's best guess is that you are their interest.

You've also seen the answer to the last question! The Simulacra Fragment, when you first met it, assumed control of the Oakenrue you had made friends with to guide you here. It was an unsettling experience wherein you felt the apparition's fledgeling, childlike mind numb and dissolve away as it tried to seek comfort from you in its final moments before you guys decided to cut the link for your own safety and leave it to sublimate back into the greater Dryad essence alone. From that point on, the Simulacra Fragment acted through the apparitions body to interact and speak with you!
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>>3806359
Does that they'll start eating people if we leave them unsupervised? If we command them not to eat people that haven't attacked us will they ignore us?
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>>3806359
>learned that Artemis uses this Atelier to bind its sleeping occupant's influence
>Artemis
Wasn't it Luna? iirc, Artemis had only just been established when Dryad was locked up. And as a fellow infected group, they should be "rescuers", not wardens.

Regarding the appiriations, before we go maybe we should just ask for control of them, or we could ask for another OakenRue.
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>>3806379
>spoiler
I'm on board for that, after we get ourselves mentally stable. Rue's not exactly in a long-term planning mindset right now. It shouldn't hurt to ask, at least. Right?
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>>3806379
We don't actually know for a fact that Artemis is infected, we just kind of collectively assumed that after learning they had not safety protocol to prevent additional contamination.

As for their motives if they were infected, who can say? We don't have nearly enough information on corruption to start guessing at how it changes your motivations

>Seconding asking for another oakenrue
>Maybe we could just command the bears to die and use the bracelet to revive them in our own image?
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>>3806379
it was Luna at the time technically, yes! Technically speaking Artemis only strictly refers to the division entrusted with the dead zone fragments. They've become much more than that since, but you are correct.

>>3806375
>Does that mean they'll start eating people if we leave them unsupervised?
Oakenbears? Yes, absolutely. Sometimes even when they are supervised. They are very angry things.
>If we command them not to eat people that haven't attacked us will they ignore us?
That's something you'd need to try before I can answer. Oakenbears are predisposed to hate more or less everything unconditionally. I won't say that it is an impossible thing, but apparitions are ultimately children and can grow frustrated just as easily - I wouldn't expect asking it to curb its nature would be an effective long term solution.
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I hope bad things don't happen to Carona
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Reverse psychology...?
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>>3806393
>after learning they had not safety protocol to prevent additional contamination.
well that, and their shunning/disassociation by the Shrine as a whole. We've yet to uncover any other reason for the split afaik.

>>3806453
Maybe, but it would also mean more of a mess for us to clean up. The place is a wreck already, and resources are stretched thin as it is.
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>>3805325
>>3805455
>>3805392
>>3805412
Keep calm and evacuate the premises. Where's Marchovic?

>>3805339
Escape and hold ourselves suicide hostage to blackmail a Mana back to sleep!

>>3805410
Assorted questions for Dryad!

>>3805410
>>3805414
Hijack Oakenbears!

>>3805418
>>3805516
Thank Dryad!

Alright, here we go! Our course of action seems pretty clear.
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>>3807008
there's also these, though I dunno if that's enough votes to do anything with.
>>3806379
>>3806384
>>3806393
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>>3807019
Knew I was missing something. I had the votes all tallied and hit backspace, which sent me like 3 pages back in firefox history, so after retallying the votes it felt like I didn't have as many as before.

That's 5 total votes for trying to hijack an oakenbear!
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>>3807022
>hijack an oakenbear!
Or asking for another OakenRue, whatever seems more reasonable.
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>>3805258
>and have a feasible plan to mindjack the behemoth

Now that Dryad is awake, there are some options. Riz said there was a possibility of using the Oakenrue core to meld with the Behemoth once it didn't need it after ascending to whatever is past an apparition which I forget the term for.

Now that we can make more Dryad cores, we won't have to wait for that, we can ask Dryad to spawn a core and slam it into the Behemoth while it's asleep and make us it's mommy. Sort of like how our Shadowrue subsumed us.

Also, we should remind Dryad that Mana has helped us in the past, including Shade (Shadowrue I miss you).

We just have to think of all the things in the world it would hurt us to lose to chill Dryad out a little.
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>>3807008
I would like to add a vote for bracelet jacking a Oakenbear and getting another Oakenrue to put in the Behemoth.

Dryad controls animals, after all.

We should jack the Oakenrue first though so Dryad doesn't have direct control. Remember how Oakenrue one protected Ari?
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>>3807100
Yeah it might be an idea to keep up regular contact with the fragment after this. We'll need to temper it somehow or we really are going to end the world.
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"I-I can't stay here." You swallow dryly with wide eyes afixed to the rising herd of oakenbears, trying and failing to move away. Something indescripable kept you rooted to the ground, cradled by the Mana. As much as you wished you could blame it on the snaring vines, as much if not more could be said for your own body's refusal to listen. You were panicking, slipping too close to the edge. The all consuming pressure of being in the presence of a Simulacra Fragment had settled its weight around you since well before you'd regained consciousness.

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. The sincerity of Dryad's heart poured over you like a waterfall; Suffocating and drowning you beneath love and hate. That, more than any physical cord, was the source of such frightening paralysis.

'Always the wanderer.'
'You never could stay still.'
'Now you wander alone.'
'A child without a home.'
'Curious of this small world.'


Sinuous hands traced a teasing path down your shoulders, drawing your limp and unresponsive body back into its protective embrace. Delicate, wooden fingers sought your own shock-numb digits to hold aloft your hands, palm in palm, and playfully intertwine. It was Dryad's whisper which so furtively nestled into your ear, but there was never any need to doubt that the chin nuzzled against your exposed nape bore your own smiling face.

'This child is born for you.'
'Like its siblings before it.'
'To protect and watch over you where we can not.'
'A second to raise.'
'Lovely, selfish, needy thing.'


Your held tilted to the side as it rubbed its warm cheek against yours happily, and... Somehow that helped. Disassociation faded exhaustingly, leaving you increasingly aware of just how tired you had become and the hammering of your heart which threatened to burst clean in your chest. Thoughts were coming again, sluggish and prickly, but coming all the same.

"Another one?"

The first had caused you enough trouble, but you'd be lying if you said you hadn't regretted leaving it behind. Your focus on the apparition proving Dryad's words uncompromisingly true as it quivered to press more of itself against you left you equal parts uncomfortable and reminded of the fact that the fleshwearing Aspiration the last one had become had - at one point - swallowed Ari whole. You had nearly been swallowed whole en route to the Atelier in the first place. There was an incredibly real chance you were going to be swallowed whole at some point in the future if this thing stuck around.
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By all rights, being presented something like this from a Mana was an unheard of honor! There were many who coaxed apparitions to life to nurture them of their own accord, but you'd never heard an example of the Mana itself gifting an apparition to anyone... And you weren't exactly in a positition to refuse. Not that you could have managed to do so, anyway. Not without becoming ill with guilt over rejecting the thing's desperate affections. Even if you didn't quite know how to respond, it wasn't like you didn't... Like it? Sort of.

Now really wasn't the time to get introspective.

"It's just this child, right?" You venture hesitantly, sinking back into its protective arms despite yourself to put any degree of space between you and the rising grove of oakenbears in front of you. "Not... All of those?"

'Beloved warden, you...'
'Are unsuited for those children.'
'Know that pain is blind.'
'Make promises you cannot hope to keep.'
'Already have your hands full.'


"Then," You didn't want to ask this. You knew the answer, already forming in the pit of your gut. "What will happen to all of them?"

'Those that survive will-'
'Hunt.'
'Kill.'
'Punish.'
'Grow.'


A rhythm of increasingly heavy footfalls accompanied that damning confirmation, only slightly covering the chorus of wet ripping and crunch of snapping bones. A single Oakenbear was cause for alarm, but this- All of these were going to be let loose. With any luck most of them would die trying to cross the boundary, but if even half of them made it....

In the end, your stammered words earlier still struck home. You couldn't stay here. You needed to leave, needed to cross the boundary, find out what happened to Marchovic, and get back to Carona. "How long have I been here?"

'What is time'
'To us?'
'Within these walls?'
'In a dream?'
'To you?'


You shift and wince, feeling the aftermath of your panicked tantrum. An unsatisfying answer, but you hadn't held out hope the Mana would be able to answer that in the first place... The fact you were alive is honestly more than you could have asked for after what just happened. You could forgive Dryad for not making a very good clock. More than that, even.

"Dryad-"

You weren't sure where to start. How to actually phrase this. For far longer than you'd known Dryad existed it had watched over you. You hadn't fully realized just how many of its nascent dangers the sealed Mana's apparitions had steered away from you in the past ten years, even to the degree that you had felt entirely safe simply falling asleep under whatever tree pleased you. This was your guardian, and it had risen from its fitful slumber purely because you called. More than protect you, Dryad had almost undoubtedly kept you alive well through death.

'Thank you' didn't feel like enough.

"Since you're awake again, I'll try to keep in touch." You had no idea how often you would find yourself free to return, but time was ephemeral to Dryad anyway... Right?
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'Even now, you-'
'Make promises you will not keep.'
'Speak before you think.'
'Make vows you do not understand.'
'Have ever been at our side.'


You frowned as the wooden golem laid its head against yours and stilled.

'Follow your heart.'
'Our gift is all we can grant you.'
'Nurture our children.'
'The end approaches.'
'We will never forget your sacrifice.'
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Ushered free of Dryad's Atelier, you find yourself with feet once more planted firmly in the earth. Your worries over the wooden golem's livelihood crossing the barrier seemed largely misplaced, which left a sickening feeling in your gut as you wondered whether that success was a portent of the boundary weakening, or if Dryad had simply divined out some new understanding of its prison. Neither option sat well with you, particularly now that you knew what had been left to feed across that river.

However what misgivings you had were decidedly unshared by the golem in question as it leaned against you and kept one of your arms woefully trapped to its torso. It had started with just a held hand, then a forearm, and at this rate you would consider yourself lucky if you still had your shoulder to yourself before nightfall. If it was at all interested in the world beyond its birthplace, it certainly wasn't showing it.

But that still left you more or less alone in the middle of the forest, still trying to reconcile the fact you had died. Carona was your final destination, but if at all possible you still needed to find Raid and Marchovic before you returned; Marchovic because the Shrine would demand to know the where abouts of its Shade Representative, and Raid because you doubted Kara would take her little brother going missing well at all... And between the two, Kara's displeasure posed a significantly more immediate danger than the Shrine's.

So, first order of business had to be finding Raid. Assuming, of course, that he hadn't (rightfully) assumed you dead after... Betraying you? Ratting out your location to the Paladin? It wasn't like it would have been hard to follow the trail left by the entire refugee camp moving, but the Paladin's timing was suspect all the same. You weren't looking forward to trying to interrogate that out of the younger demihuman.

Maybe you could just lie and act like you expected him to do that. Pretend everything went exactly as planned. That seemed easier.

Marchovic on the other hand... If you found him at all, you imagine it would be further south. Maybe just his corpse floating down river to Sylv. You're certain you felt something over his death, but maybe it just hadn't sunken in yet. Denial. An intellectual acceptance. It certainly meant nothing good for you in the long run, but you had too many other things on your mind right now to dedicate more than minimal stress to that - And even some resentment, if you were being honest.
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What kind of idiot invites you - You, specifically! - On a date to hunt bandits and mercenaries? You literally could not wield a stick, you could count on one hand how many physical altercations you'd ever won. And if he couldn't even handle the Wisp Adept alone, what business did he have telling you he planned to do all this alone?! The dumbass wouldn't even have been able to sneak upon them without you!

Was any of this really your fault? Sure, you invited Gehr, Mim and Raid, but what else were you gonna do? Walk out here and do it alone? It was only after seeing what you were up against that you had the good presence of mind to send Mim back, or by now you'd be getting blamed for TWO dead Shrine Representatives, Luna forgive what you'd be going through if you'd accidentally gotten her killed out here on Marchovic's stupid date. Shade bless, it was a damn miracle you even had a Relic to do what you did or this entire trip would have been a waste.

You could have just... Asked for some knights or something to deal with this. Real ones! There had to be a few around the estate you could borrow. You hadn't gotten any kind of support since this Rite thing passed, a handful of knights was really the least your aunt and uncle could do. You could have had actual, trained, armed people out here doing their Shadedamned job instead of following after some curiously roguish sharktoothed playboy!

But noOooOOooO, you got the job done by sentencing this forest to a resurgence of deadly apparitions and wildlife, waking up the Mana you'd near died and lost Ari to trying to put back to sleep not even a month ago. It hadn't even been asleep two weeks before this.

And the Paladin wasn't even dead! All of that, All. Of. That! And the Shade Representative's ONE GOAL, to get rid of the Paladin, had failed. You did YOUR job, you died doing your job, but it was damn well done - There was a whole group of oakenbears feasting on the proof of that now. But Marchovic?

"Hey blondie."

You ripped your arm free of the wooden golem, closing the distance to punch him in shadedamned face as came out from behind a tree.

"Fuck you!"
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"Why aren't you dead?!" You shook your hand, feeling the knuckles ache from impact as you screamed at a man who had no right being alive, much less waiting for you.

"I try not to die on the first dat-" Whatever he had to say turned up short as the wooden golem stepped in with an unnerving fluidity to punch him in the face as well. The Shade Representative may have seen fit to take yours in good spirit, perhaps out of some arrogant penitence, but this apparition necessitated a more involved defense...

...Which would have gone much better had his ankles not already been lashed to the earth. That was perhaps the only thing which prevented the man's entire frame from being bodily lifted into the branches as he ducked the first fist only to catch a knee to the sternum and crumple.

"Fuck you!" It warbled, turning back to you with the ever present semi-manic smile it had chosen for its own. One open hand rather triumphantly gesturing down at Marchovic as he weezed by its feet, clutching feebly at his chest. "Fuck you?"

"Not ready for this threesome..." He groaned, sliding back against the tree with a hand held up for mercy. "Oh shit... Wisp, preserve my ribs..."

"Serves you right, fangs!" Raid's voice, somewhat maddeningly, called out from somewhere further out in the woods. Well out of your sight, despite the rapid snapping motion your neck made to try and locate him.

"Why aren't either of you dead!?" Your arms all but trembled as you balled up your fist and screamed.

"Fuck you!"

"Hahaha..."
"Shut up, Marchovic!"
"Fuck you!"

You raised a threatening finger towards the wooden golem, receiving a tilted head in response. It reached out to hold your hand again.

"...Haha- No don't kick me-"

Marchovic's wish was not granted.

"Raid, get over here! I need an explanation now!" Your voice cracked dangerously. You hadn't even had a chance to hide the golem. You'd barely even left the Atelier. You weren't crying.

"It's his fault." Raid's head popped out of a bush some distance safely away, swiftly and obediently throwing the Shade Representative into the line of proverbial fire. "I'm innocent."

"What. Happened?"

"Everything went... Ugh. 'Ccording to plan." Marchovic coughed from the ground.

"...Excuse you?"

"Questions... Mrngh. Right." He grunted, pulling himself into a sitting position with a pained smile. "Alright blondie. How about... We calm down, you wipe those pretty red eyes, and I do what I can to satisfy you?"

You swallowed thickly, contemplating whether or not to kick him again.

>?
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>>3807456
Don't kick marko, ask him what happened with the adept of Wisp
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>>3807456
>"Fuck you!" It warbled, turning back to you with the ever present semi-manic smile it had chosen for its own. One open hand rather triumphantly gesturing down at Marchovic as he weezed by its feet, clutching feebly at his chest. "Fuck you?"
Cute! I like this one already.
https://youtu.be/s2oCV2sM_ig
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>>3807456
>fuck you?
Oh no, we're already teaching it bad habits. Even if he did deserve it.

I wonder how the OakenRues will react when they meet?
We're going to have to come up with some way to differentiate the two Oakenrues name-wise.

>?
Kick him again, but lightly. He needs those ribs to talk. Stop OakenRue if it tries to copy is again, I don't think it can pull it's punches yet.
"So you failed. The Paladin escaped you, and very nearly killed me. I only managed to escape with the help of my friend (OakenRue) here. No, I don't know what it is, or why it looks like me. What happened?
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>>3807505
>We're going to have to come up with some way to differentiate the two Oakenrues name-wise.
This one is obviously FakenRue.

>>3807456
>You talked really big about yourself. So why is the Wisp Adept alive and why does he think I'm some kind of a Shade Apparition?
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>>3807456
Well we've been apart for what, a day? Just tell us everything.
>How hard could it be, huh?
>Tell him to start from when we split up and go from there, no need to play 20 questions with him.

>>3807505
Lets not go volunteering any information beyond what's strictly necessary.
>The paladin's intervention fucked things up big time. We managed to fulfil our objective anyway but the paladin still lives
>To cross the river and enter the fae woods at this time is certain death
>A large number of Oakenbears will be arriving from across the river soon

They can draw their own conclusions from there. Though, does this still give away too much? Maybe there's a better way to say it.
>Also ask who we should talk to in the shrine to about dealing with the oakenbears

Regarding differentiating the apparitions, lets just give our abomination a name when we get back. I'm thinking naming it after a cute flower, like Lily.
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>>3807542
>So why is the Wisp Adept alive and why does he think I'm some kind of a Shade Apparition?
I think he assumed he thought we were a doppleganger 'cus we used the mirror to look like him. Marchovic doesn't need to know about this.
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>>3807542
>FakenRue
Not bad, but I was thinking more along the lines of Big and Little. Either as additions to OakenRue, or just on their own.

>why does he think I'm some kind of a Shade Apparition?
That one is easy. He'd just come off fighting a Shade Adept, and we were wearing his face, which would be covered by a doppelgänger or similar.
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>>3807546
>Cute flower
Maybe Rafflesia.
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>>3807547
>>3807551
Okay, maybe don't ask about the apparition.
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>>3807456
Oh!
>Make an effort to calm down
Anon is right, we're already setting a bad example for our new babby and anyway we're not in a position to be breaking our composure or flipping tables around these assholes. Maybe we should meditate to shade before we begin?

>>3807560
The name is cute at least!
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>>3807456
>Realize that our anger nad frustration is mostly caused by us fucking up, so directing all of it on Marchovic is disingenuous.
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>>3807677
Not this time. We were presented with two different terrible options entirely because he screwed up and let the Paladin catch up to us.
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>>3807677
But that's not true, we wouldn't have been backed into a corner if Marchovic had killed the paladin in his ambush. Not to say we shouldn't control ourselves of course.
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>>3807708
>We were presented with two different terrible options
You mean "We didn't manage to find an acceptable option and only saw two terrible ones". Riz confirmed there was another way.
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>>3807456
> Sulk.

It's not fair. WE died. And then they say everything went according to plan. Well, it does make me feel better knowing Marchovic lived. But if he makes us think he died again, we'll kill him.

Wait. The whisp adept is alive? Good. We can track him back to his masters.

Ask dryad to hold of killing him. We will follow him. We will take our revenge not on the tool but on the ones who wielded it.

Well, also on the tool yes
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>>3807728
Yeah this is a terrible idea
>lmao lets go chase the wisp adept
We got hundreds of shit to do
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>>3807728
>Explicitly voting against sulking like a baby
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>>3807739
On the contrary, the adept now knows things we can't let out. He must be eliminated.
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>>3807745
It's not that bad, he probably has no idea what the fuck happened. He doesn't even know Irue was there.

I'm absolutely against setting aside our mountain of responsibilities to follow him back to his boss (if that's where he even goes). I don't mind the idea of hunting him down and killing him when he's weak but how? We don't have our tracker with us, Marchovic is heavily wounded, our oakenrue is young and untested in combat and Irue is a quivering mess. It's not feasible.
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>>3807768
Anon speaks truth, it's not an option to chase this guy right now
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>>3807805
Nevermind I'm retarded
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>>3807720
I think we could have used the bracelet to ask wisp to remove his favour for a while.

>>3807456
>"According to plan"? You lost, he caught up with me and escaped after I accomplished my goal.

>The fucker showed up in tatters and here you are, alive? Did you two just have a play fight? HE'S the one who can heal his wounds, not you what the fuck?

>Raid you get your furry ass over here right now before I make my friend come and get you. You will be much, much safer within my reach than out there in the forest. That's a promise not a threat.


Aaaaand then we cool off. After twisting raid's ears of course.
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>>3808123
>I think we could have used the bracelet to ask wisp to remove his favour for a while.
That goes back to the discussion last time. The bracelet is an address book of phone numbers to the Mana, and a translator so we can actually speak to them, nothing more. It doesn't guarantee the Mana will answer the phone (which causes us to create Apparitions), nor will it force a Mana to do what we want.
In this case, we are unfavored by Wisp, but the paladin is favored. Why would Wisp remove their favor from one of their beloved on behalf of someone they don't care about?
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>>3808143
Nothing ventured mate. We could try using the translator in a more controlled environment instead of writing it off like this. The bracelet's previous owner probably wasn't cared by every single mana and yet...
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>>3808199
That wasn't an argument against bracelet use wholesale, just during the beat down. We only had time for one action, and we don't know how long it might have taken, among other problems.

Experimentation will have to be done far away from civilization (see Apparition creation on failure to connect), and limited. We've only got so much soul, and afaik it doesn't regrow.
If we do test things, Shade seems like a good place to start. We've got the most familiarity with it.
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>>3808224
>Shade seems like a good place to start. We've got the most familiarity with it.
Unless we tested it with Ari.
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>>3808227
The bracelet is for talking to Mana and creating Apparitions. What does Ari have to do with anything?
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>>3808234
I wanna try anon's idea of using the bracelet to interact with someone else's affinity.
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>>3808234
>The bracelet is for talking to Mana and creating Apparitions.

I think there is more between those two.
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>>3808143
Well see, my thought was that if we ask the mana on someone else's behalf, the echo won't tear us apart since drawing power out of us won't accomplish the goal. Temporarily nudging a mana's favour or attention away from an adept in front of us should be possible without insane repercussions... Right?
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>>3808252
Is a direct line to every one of the Gods not enough? We've tried meditating on other things before to no effect.

>>3808266
>if we ask the mana on someone else's behalf
Isn't part of the point of Adepts that they can already communicate (with training) with their mana?
The echo happens when the Mana don't pick up the phone, for any reason. If we got through to them and they refused us I don't think there would be any direct side effect.

>Temporarily nudging a mana's favour or attention away from an adept in front of us should be possible without insane repercussions... Right?
>you also know as a fact that the consciousness of Mana is naturally multifaceted and divided amongst every apparition, as well as connected to every single one of their Adepts at all times -
>For every singular Mana, there are countless smaller fragments operating autonomously.
I don't think it works like that.
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>>3808299
We really need to learn how to make the fucking connection. We seem to be able to talk to dryad no problem without doing anything special. Why the hell are the other so obstinate? Luna had no issue with reaching down to pluck memories out of our head and we burned down our kitchen thanks to salamander. so it's not like they refuse to acknowledge us at all. Maybe we need a secret handshake?

Wild idea but why don't we ask it? What's the worst that could happen?
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>>3808299
>Is a direct line to every one of the Gods not enough?
I dunno man, talking to mana and creating apparitions? Isn't that a bit arbitrary? I think what anon is getting at is that there's some greater principle at work here. Maybe there isn't two uses to the bracelet, maybe there's just one effect that can have multiple different outcomes depending on circumstance.
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>>3808327
Pretty much. There is much more room for experimentation than just making apparitions.
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>>3808320
>We seem to be able to talk to dryad no problem without doing anything special
We spend an entire arc showing our family is special to Dryad. We are it's teddy bear, and it loves us. I don't think we even use the bracelet at all when talking to it.

>Luna had no issue with reaching down to pluck memories out of our head
That was because we had memories relating to Dryad from the ruins. It spent a lot of effort to contain it's infected sibling, it wasn't taking any chances when we poked it. Frankly, we're lucky it didn't kill us outright.
>we burned down our kitchen thanks to salamander.
That was due first to an Apparition, then later by Salamander's grudge against Reiner's family. Neither involved us and Salamander itself directly.

>Ask Dryad
We could, but the Mana are jealous things, and Dryad seems to be even more so than it's fellows.
And especially after what they did to it, I don't see that conversation going well.

>>3808327
>Maybe there isn't two uses to the bracelet, maybe there's just one effect that can have multiple different outcomes depending on circumstance.
You're right. Officially, it only has one function. Conversing with Mana is all it's supposed to do. Apparition creation is a misuse (malfunction seems more accurate technically).
It's possible there are other useful misuses (such as the previously suggested use of the diary in combat), but considering the side effect of the known misuse, I dunno if we want to experiment with it too much,
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>>3808365
Yeah we don't use it to talk to dryad. We are either doing something fundamentally wrong in our attempts or dryads favour is interfering so heavily that the other mana can not or will not interact in any way with us.

A simple test for this theory is to lend it to someone else and ask them to use it. Of course, that spills the secret so it's still off the table imo. At least not yet.

>>3808327
That's more likely the case. How many artifacts do you suppose have more than one function? Probably none, it's all about how you use it.

I think we can find some concrete hints in the secret section of the valen archives. Searching it feels a lot safer than experimenting since the cost of being wrong is so great. We're going there anyway as far as I'm concerned and might as well give it a try while we round up some knights and a few chests of gold for carona
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>>3808414
>How many artifacts do you suppose have more than one function?
From what we've seen, they all only have one official function. Any other creative use of them appear to come with a cost, usually heavier than using it as intended. I suspect it's related to how they're created.

>I think we can find some concrete hints in the secret section of the valen archives.
Concrete is a stretch, but if we dug long enough I bet we could find something. Trouble is, we don't exactly have tons of free time. The stuff going on back in town revealed by the conversation with the Artemis guy need to be dealt with asap.
Speaking of, what happened to the Jinn branch?

>Searching it feels a lot safer than experimenting since the cost of being wrong is so great.
This is very true, but it will come at the cost of time.

>while we round up some knights and a few chests of gold for carona
We've been told to deal with Carona ourselves, despite requests to them before. Aunt is still likely away, but Uncle should still be around. And we don't have the authority to requisition anything from them, as Aunt usurped us, and we aren't really in a position to force her to abdicate, much as I would like to.
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>>3807743
See, you SAY you're explicitly voting against this.

But then I look at all the other write ins, and, well . . . Don't blame me for calling a duck a duck.

Besides, we just died. Some sulking is pretty standard in that case, especially since we thought Marchovic died too and now he didn't and that's relieving but also frustrating.

>>3807739
Marchovic clearly plans to follow him after faking his death and maybe arranging ours. Or he just thinks we're ridiculously unkillable and that it would be fine and it's frustrating as well that of so then he was right.

I mean, the Whisp adept is just a link. And now he thinks everyone is dead that might be following him.

But oh, no, let's just overreact instead and ruin things more because we can't take two seconds to think things through.
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>>3808559
I don't understand, are you implying I've voted to act like a baby? Can you show me an example?
>Some sulking is pretty standard in that case
I'm sure it is but Irue's mental state is fucked up enough without us voting to spend our time sulking instead of regaining our composure and stabilising our scrambled headcase.
>Marchovic clearly plans to follow him after faking his death and maybe arranging ours. Or he just thinks we're ridiculously unkillable and that it would be fine and it's frustrating as well that of so then he was right.
What the fuck am I reading?
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>>3808610
To follow the Wisp adept. To seek the hand behind his blade. I mean, it's pretty basic investigative work.

Otherwise we have a bunch of dead men and no clue as to who they were working for.

As for the plan going perfectly, was us getting caught part of the plan?
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>>3808753
That wasn't the part I was confused about but I guess it doesn't matter.
>To follow the Wisp adept. To seek the hand behind his blade.
Okay so you want to follow the wisp adept but you never got around to answering how. How will you track him? How will you fight him? Keep in mind that wisp may have healed him by the time we find him. Look, we accomplished our goal at great cost and came out of it temporarily dead, it's time to accept our mild victory and go back to Carona so we try to sort out all of the very important things that we put on the backburner for this.

>Otherwise we have a bunch of dead men and no clue as to who they were working for.
The paladin's rebel minion claimed they were working for a prince. We also know that he was working with an artemis spy who is currently happily stirring insurrection in our town, is that a big enough clue for you?

>As for the plan going perfectly, was us getting caught part of the plan?
You lost me again, I'm starting to think you're just saying shit at random.
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>>3808799
>How will you track him? How will you fight him?
These are the principle issues. Plus, it looks like Dryad is going to hunt the guy down.

>As for the plan going perfectly, was us getting caught part of the plan?
This part is us asking Marcovich if his plan had included us being revealed as a fake, as far as I understand.
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>>3808455
We don't have authority because you refuse to exert any kind of power that we legally have. I haven't seen anyone complaining that we didn't have the authority to go here and murder several dozen malcontents? But as soon as anyone wants to make use of resources that are legally ours someone always crawls out to quake in fear of the Great and Terrible Aunt Clara, who, in fact, is not anywhere near.

So she told us something, so what? Are you going to make Irue be a fucking baby for the rest of her life? Why the fuck do you want to shrink down and act like a victim of domestic abuse? Irue do far, far worse things daily that being afraid of a scolding from her aunt had become beyond pathetic.

We've had exactly one conversation with our uncle and that was him making a stupid joke on our expense. We don't know jack shit about him or how willing he is to respect us.

Going to the main branch is less insane than the other plans we've had in this thread- jamming a dryad core into a behemoth? Not a single complaint against that. But ohhh, aunt Clara...
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>>3809109
The issue is that she hasn't stepped down from her regency, and we don't have the means to force her to. All we can do is ask.
I suppose we could try and siege the place out, or destroy it with an Apparition, but even if we pulled it off we'd be breaking our own stuff.
The only legal way to force her out as far as I can tell would be to appeal to a higher authority, in this case the crown, which would open a whole other can of worms due to the nobility/royalty land theft thing going on.

If you've got concrete ideas on how to retake our title though, I'm all ears. I'd love to kick her to the curb.

> jamming a dryad core into a behemoth?
That was so stupid it didn't merit a response. At least one anon around here spouts completely nonsensical ideas frequently, and I've gotten tired of pointing out how stupid they are.
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>>3809120
I like the dryhemoth idea...
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>>3809120
Yeah, it begins by GOING THERE. She's not around. She was happy when we finally started acting on our own and when we showed some fucking spine in opposition of her. Read the damn side story, she's being a cunt to pressure Irue into growing the fuck up. For all we know she's just waiting for us to storm in there and take what we want.

We don't have to fucking siege the place, it's our own family's estate. You're talking about shooting down bad ideas but you jump straight to violence and war when all I want to do is go and TALK. People just keep jumping at shadows as if doing anything Clara might disapprove of is a game over flag.

"Deal with Carona yourself" cannot possibly have meant "play the destitute pauper lord and run the whole place to the ground since you have no money i made sure of that"

>>3809126
It's stupid as hell but if it has a decent chance of going right I'll do it. What's the worst that could happen?
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>>3809144
>when all I want to do is go and TALK
I put low odds on that working, as she's better at words than we are, she's got her own son that I'm sure she would prefer to be the head even if he's being stupid at the moment, and without the force to back it up our "request", we have no leverage or bargaining power. I imagine the conversation would go something like this:
>Step down and let me take my rightful place.
>Why?
>I am legally an adult of the main branch, and you are only regent from a secondary branch. You have to step down.
>No, I would rather keep this title I think.
>You are legally required!
>Make me.

I'm not against having that conversation necessarily, but it would require going out to the estate, and we have time sensitive information about the insurrection group in that hellhole of a town.
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>>3807546
>Lets not go volunteering any information beyond what's strictly necessary.
I thought that was pretty minimal. What part did you take issue with?

>>3809144
>"Deal with Carona yourself" cannot possibly have meant "play the destitute pauper lord and run the whole place to the ground since you have no money i made sure of that"
She hated our mother, seriously stunted our education growing up, and left us living with only a single maid for company, miles from any sort of civilization. I wouldn't put it past her to set us up to fail, either as a form of petty revenge against our mother or to "prove" we're not worthy of leading the main branch.
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>>3809155
We're not talking to HER. she's not there. She was half murdered by alouette somewhere far out west

>She's better at talking
Artemis is better at intrigue than we are.
Rinnier is better at running the city than we are.
Kara is stronger than us.
Mim is smarter and knows more than us.

Why do anything at all when other people are better? You're right we should never go against people who are better than us at something, let's just stay by dyads side forever.

Your arguments against are paper thin and nothing but meekly risk averse because you believe it might fail. Stop being afraid of her, she's not going to kill us, you know, something that everyone and everything else in the quest has done so far. At worst she's been condescending and arrogant
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>>3809164
I have it on good authority that Clara is actually looking out for us in her own way. Please don't be hostile out of pure paranoia.
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Alright, trpg session ended for the night. Going to close the vote here and start trying to tally things up.
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Rolled 2 (1d2)

>>3807478
>>3807505
>>3807542
>>3807546
>>3808123
Marchovic, you've got some explaining to do.

>>3808123
Bully the Raid.

>>3807478
1. Don't kick the Marchovic.

>>3807505
2. Kick the Marchovic.

>>3807578
>>3807677
Calm down! Breathe! It's been a long couple of days.

>>3807728
It's been a long couple of days.

Whew. I'll try and get something out tonight, but I've not slept a whole lot so I may end up crashing instead. Voting windows are a full day long now anyway though, so hopefully no one's losing sleep over it!
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>>3808455
>the Jinn branch?
You still have it!
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>>3809184
anon, be civil or be rejected out of hand.
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>>3809164
>What part did you take issue with?
Nothing specifically, I just find volunteering lies unprompted to be a bad habit. Easier to be dishonest if you speak the truth and let people come to incorrect conclusions on their own.

>>3809656
Getting pissy about this kind of petty bullshit is half the fun anon. You can be catty too, it's okay!
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>>3809884
>>3809691
You're easily the rudest one here. A condescending ass.

>>3809126
Riz likes my Dryhemoth idea, it's been discussed before and he said it could work even. I mentioned that when I first brought it up, that it. So pardon me if between you and the QM I go with the QM saying that it could work.

Also, are you new here? Your writing style is very similar to a certain Mountbrunfag.

>>3808799
Marchovic would follow the whisp adept. Really, we don't have to do everything ourselves you know.

And Irue sulks all the damn time. In fact for most of the quest she went fully into indulgent self pitying and we had only a very recent breakthrough with not doing that any more.

Pardon me for trying to maintain some character consistency. Although I'm not terribly worried because Riz works that into her writing anyways.

Your reaction does take me back to when Mim called us out on acting like a robot trying to win at Prisoners Dilemma with everyone we meet.
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>>3810273
> You're easily the rudest one here. A condescending ass.

Was for >>3809120
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>>3809144
I would also like to point out re: Dryhemoth, that it's not like we're spoilt for choice on how to deal with it.

We lost the Tamers (unlese Marchovic can track the whisp adept back to his boss, assuming that they are the ones who took the Tamers even).

Drugs are wearing off.

Killing it is insanely difficult and risks waking it up.

We don't have any "smart" options, but at least using the mana which had been explicitly told to us (in Dryads Atelier) to control animals is not the worst option compared to doing nothing or trying to kill something practically unkillable.
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>>3809126
be careful throwing your weight around, QM. You've all but guaranteed that's what we'll do now, as it has official support.
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>>3810279
Sorry it comes across that way, that's not my intent. Descending into flame wars isn't enjoyable or productive, so I try to avoid provoking them. Tone is hard to convey via text.
If you're being defensive about the Behemoth thing, don't take it personal. We all have weird or silly ideas on occasion.
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>>3810273
>Marchovic would follow the whisp adept.
Possible, though it would be slow going and thus eat up a lot of time. My choice for tracking would be to use oakenrue and Raid at the same time while allowing Marchovic a relative degree of respite but even if that was enough to catch up I have no idea how we would go about fighting him when our group consists of Marchovic in a wheelchair, a literal newborn with a visible weakspot/core and a wildcard who has contributed almost nothing.

>Really, we don't have to do everything ourselves you know.
Of course not but we're the leader and unless you trust Marchovic and Raid's planning skills it is incumbent upon us to come up with a plan, especially against an opponent that can obliterate Irue in a single hit even when he was wounded from fighting Marchovic. Going after this guy with little more than a vague intention will just get us killed. Again.

>And Irue sulks all the damn time.
>we had a very recent breakthrough with not doing that any more
>Pardon me for trying to maintain some character consistency
Well it's like you said, the consistency is already there. This childish behaviour is already an ingrained part of Irue's character and will come up again and again whether we vote for it or not, so why vote for it? To preserve Irue's status as a flawed character? Irue will never be perfect, she won't even come close, but I think that's all the more reason to try our best!
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>>3810290
I like the behemoth idea, so long as it doesn't involve using either our aspiration or our babby oakenrue. I'll vote for it if we pick up a core from one of the oakenrue that died near our house and use that.

>We lost the Tamers
You know I was thinking of sending Ari after the Tiers when Irue learns their location upon returning to Carona but if that's where the paladin goes she might just get killed for her effort. Then again our dryad aspiration might be able to kill him in an straight fight. Maybe we could test its viability in a spar against Kara? Kara was pretty evenly matched with the Paladin, right?
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>>3810273
>montbrunfag
oh no don't bring it here....... don't be a twat anon ffs

>>3810419
>lets send ari after the tiers
>make kara spar against anspiration
I dont think these are good ideas anon
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>>3810518
You're probably right.
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>>3810311
I suppose I should clarify since it's been a while since the idea was originally put forward. For most situations you guys find yourselves in, I have a mental list of possible ways you might go about getting through it. Usually you guys end up following one to some degree, so it's rare that an anon puts forth an idea that I hadn't consider at all, and after thinking about it, realized actually wasn't implausible.

I'm always really happy when you guys surprise me, so me liking the idea has more to do with it existing in the first place than any possible good or bad consequence set it would result in.

As always, I encourage you guys to consider your options carefully and pick one that makes you happy!

>>3810419
>Kara was pretty evenly matched with the Paladin, right?
The Paladin had a definitive advantage over her. If the fight had gone on without Irue's intervention, her victory - If it had come at all - would have come at an extreme cost to her, and the reason is pretty simple.

Kara has never really had to deal with anyone as strong as she is. The full might of her combat potential has very little to do with her combat experience so much as that she can just raw overpower most things she encounters. When faced with the Paladin, she was put on relatively equal strength terms with someone who had a great deal of formal training and experience applying that training practically. You might compare it to a weightlifter fighting a martial practitioner of 10-20 years experience.

The nature of melee is chaotic and the disposition of the people involved makes it murkier, so while the reality isn't a certain loss for Kara in that situation, there's a very real chance that even if she did something stupid and took the pain or broken limbs just to make an opening it still wouldn't be enough. She'd need to be pushed to that point before she had a chance of winning.

That said, this is all just keeping the end result in mind. While the outcome is important when considering conflicts, the route there is just as relevant! In example, the above may make it seem like a horrible idea to confront the Paladin with Kara alone - But if your only goal is slowing him down, injuring him, or forcing him to be more defensive while handling something else, then Kara can achieve all of those things very reliably with... Varying costs to herself. It's only when you task her specifically with winning that the situation seems bleak.

What you want out of a conflict is often more important than who would win overall. Aiming to delay, injure or distract is a significantly more achievable "win condition" than killing or outright besting your opponent.
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Anyway I've got raids coming up shortly, so I'll get writing once they're over for the night! I did end up crashing last night.
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>>3810315
Fair enough. I have very spotty internet coverage so I'm not always able to clarify what I mean right away, and I understand that can get frustrating.

>>3810419
Our Aspiration doesn't need it's core anymore, if I recall correctly. That was what inspired me to use it for the Behemoth originally.

That being said, we really have to do something about the behemoth. Maybe we could move it into the woods and get Dryad to calm it for us? But do we want Dryad to have a Behemoth?

My other plan would be to give it to the Royal House as a White Elephant gift, but they've been sketchy.
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>>3810518
> Only Montbrunfag gets upset about being called that.
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>>3810788
i've seen this thing start in sworn to valor. If you have beef with someone there keep it that way but there is no need to create imaginary terms and call them everyone you dont like...
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>>3810783
>we really have to do something about the behemoth
If we could move it, the easiest thing to do would be to dump it in the ex-desert, or near the demigod Apparition. But afaik the fear is that moving it risks waking it during loading, the entire length of travel, and unloading.
Similarly, I'm not a fan of sticking a core into it because it would give Dryad some control over it, doesn't guarantee us any control over it, would likely make it even stronger, and isn't any safer than attempting to outright kill it (as both involve cutting deep into it). I'd prefer to go for the much simpler idea of outright killing it; less moving parts during and after.
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>>3810847
I still think that slowly bleeding it to death while it sleeps is safest. If it doesn't get fed or drink it can't replenish the lost blood. Plus it'll be weaker when it wakes up
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You did kick him one last time for good measure; In contrast to its predecessors, the kick barely scuffed him. You weren't so far gone that you couldn't recognize how emotional you were being, and while Shade knows you had a damn good reason to be upset... It wasn't helping. You were better than this. A single, shaky breath brought you back to center - or as near as you would get - as you worked to calm yourself. You weren't crying right now, but if you kept this up you absolutely would be soon. If it could wait until you got back to Carona, that would be enough.

Just set it aside. Calm down.

"You alright, blondie?"

"No." Your voice quivers somewhere between tears and frustration, prompting you to clear your throat before continuing. "Raid, come here."

"You're not going to hit me, are you?"

You turned tiredly to stare at him, wiping one eye with a stubborn scowl. "Now."

"Aight, aight, I'm coming." The bush he'd been hiding behind rustled as he stepped through it, keeping a careful distance from both you and the new wooden golem Dryad had bequeathed. A tight grip had been kept on it to prevent any more unexpected kicks landing on in the Shade Representative's rib cage for the time being, as you doubted the apparition really understood how to hold back. If it was keying off your reactions, you needed to set a better example for the thing sooner rather than later.

Several furtive moments passed in silence as you focused on your own breathing and heart rate, not quite to the extent of meditation but a prerequisite for it all the same. A self-imposed ritual that you were intimately acquainted with, which served to distract and mollify your raw nerves. "Marchovic." Your voice came out steadier, held together with a patchwork calm. "Tell me everything that happened. From the time we split up, until now."

"Well." He started, easing himself into a more comfortable position with a wince behind his self-satisfied smile. "I found him, for one. He was coming back up river on a raft when I encountered him, maybe half a day out from the camp."

"Half a day..." You let the time roll around in your head. You made your move the night Marchovic split off, then coerced the camp into leaving that night. It took you an additional day to reach the fae forest, and he still caught up with you before night fell. For all the time that gave you, he could have been on your tail the entire time.

Raid grumbled under his breath. "Cutting it close."

"Close." You echoed hollowly, unable to suppress the single derisive chuckle that gurgled out of your throat as you did so.

"Everything turned out fine." Marchovic shrugged, meeting your withering stare with a self-satisfied grin.

"Continue."
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"I didn't expect to meet him that soon, so I figured I didn't have a whole lot of time." Marchovic obliged without much prodding. "Figured, hey? Why not just fight him on the boat. Seemed like it'd be fun. Make a nice story- You wanna hear about how I fought a wisp adept on a raft one time?"

"I'm going to kick you again."

The way he laughed told you that he either didn't believe you, or the threat didn't worry him enough to matter. "Well long story short, I did what I set out to do and started making my way back. Ran into the kid on the way back and he led us up here to find you after filling me in."

"What, exactly, did you set out to do?" The venom all but hisses out through your teeth. "Because not only was he not dead, he made it here first."

"I'd guess so, he did get a headstart on us." The Shade Adept laughed.

"You let him go?"

"He let him go." Raid's affirmation, in the face of Marchovic's unrepentant and self-satisfied expression, made it incredibly difficult to not scream in near wordless fury.

Instead, your entire body trembled through a very, very long inhale. One hand cradled your forehead, shoulders shaking, as you let the air back out just as incrementally as it came. "I died- Could have died because you just let. Him. Go."

"You would have been fine." Marchovic disagreed placidly, "I made sure he would be manageable before letting him run."

"Manageable for who?!" You died because of a miscalculation? Not because Raid betrayed you, but Marchovic just decided not to do his damn job!? "What were you going to do if he wasn't?! What if you caught up and they'd gotten away and I was dead?!"

"Well then I'd have a whole lot of explaining to do."

Raid looked as if he was going to slip a quip in, but wisely decided to keep his mouth shut as you glared the Shade Representative into the forest floor. "And you expect me to believe you just toyed with him, picked him apart at your leisure and let him go without so much as a scratch on you?"

"I'd like to say I'm just that good." Marchovic winced, "But no. I'm a Shade Adept, so of anyone that guy could have run into, I was probably his worst match up... And it's not like I came out of it fresh and perky, either. As for who... Well, you, of course."

"I don't know how to fight." You weren't even embarassed to point it out right now, "I can't so much as wield a knife, Marchovic."

"And you punch like a kid." He agreed knowingly, "But your bodyguard there doesn't. You Valens have it in with the fae around these parts, or so the gossip goes."

Fae. A good, convenient excuse for what the wooden golem next to you was... And technically, he wasn't wrong, either. But... "You bet my life on gossip?"

"No, that's stupid." He shook his head dismissively, "I mean they turned out to be true and that's actually pretty cool, but I bet your life on that scar you got."
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"My... Scar." You repeated slowly, leaving the gears in the back of your head to creak groggily in circles before it finally clicked. "What about it?"

"Even if it's dormant, it's still the core of a Shade apparition. That's a lot of potential Shade mana laying untapped." He tapped his chest meaningfully. "If you roused it under stress, I had little doubt you would have been fine. Enough of Shade's presence will shut down a Wisp Adept's biggest advantage, and I made sure he'd be in no shape to fight you fairly."

"You think a broken arm was enough to let me fight a Wisp Adept?" You blurt out incredulous.

"Ruined arm," He corrected, ticking off his fingers as he continued. "Poisoned, pretty sure I cut a tendon, open chest and thigh wounds... Can't tell you how much he was bleeding when he ran off."

"You didn't think he might, oh, I don't know-" You paused, gesturing dramatically in the air for emphasis, "HEAL any of that? Because he was a Wisp Adept?!" ...Not that he had, at least to your knowledge. He'd looked terrible when he showed up, even if you weren't aware of the extent he'd been roughed up. It had been what gave you the confidence to face him down in the first place. For all the good that did you.

"Nah." Marchovic shrugged. "Real fun poison, something you won't see too often outside of East Heaven. It'll flush the mana clean out of an adept in large doses. Smaller ones are good for bleeding a guy dry, makes it harder for them to communicate and hear their own Mana. At best I estimate he had one good shot left in him; Last legs and all."

You fell silent, finding the increasingly livid reactions smoldering in favor of almost morbid curiosity as the Shade Representative explained himself. He'd been wrong, of course - If not in his estimate of the Adept, then of his evaluation of you. Yet for all of Marchovic's bravado... You'd not actually considered him the kind of person who would outright poison anyone.

You were still furious with him, but you can't help but be curious. "Why do you even have a foreign produced anti-adept poison?"

"I bought a whole bunch of it couple months ago." Marchovic shrugged, "Some merchant wandered into town trying to sell it as booze. Tell you the truth, I've been looking for an excuse to test the stuff ever since."

You stared at him a little longer, finally letting your eyes drop pensively towards the forest floor.

>Continue with your previous plans and head towards the abandoned Shrine.
>You need to get back to Carona immediately, this fight wasn't over.
>Any other questions for Marchovic and Raid?
>Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
>Other? (write-in)
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>>3811211
>Riz dunking on the players with the options they missed
I honestly thought Shade is the worst mana to use against Wisp, based on Shadowrue's experience.
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>>3811211
>You need to get back to Carona immediately, this fight wasn't over.
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>>3811211
>Forgetting
I don't even know which part is the Forgetting, but something jumped out at me. I don't remember us seeing any open wounds or blood on the paladin. Also I remember him being jacked as hell, so even without Wisp mana he would've wiped the floor with us, I think.

Another thing, I find it strange that Yuri actually tried to sell Faedka as booze. If he was a nomad army spy, shouldn't he have known what it was?

It's also interesting that apparently East Heaven is still producing enough Faedka to be known abroad, despite Dryad being asleep. Unless they produce another, indistinguishable poison.
(I'm still really interested in the logistics of bottling up Dryad's blood and who makes the bottles, by the way)

>Ask Marchovic and Raid about any people that were with the adept.
He was supposed to escort an emissary. And the emissary was somehow linked to Caylen.

>We need to track the paladin immediately. Use Raid as tracker. Send Gehr back home with a message for Rinnier.
Because if he reaches Marcus, they will know that someone managed to impersonate one of them and stole their communication device. They will also know the story about a double agent in Artemis was a bluff. This will strip us of a huge advantage.
I don't believe whatever Dryad apparition is pursuing the paladin will get him. Narrative causality is against it. The same narrative causality made me expect the Wisp Adept to turn up, and I was right. We need to do eliminate him ourselves.
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>Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
Didn't the adept imply he killed Marko?
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>>3811235
Damn, this too.
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>>3811211
>>Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
Lmfao he poisoned him with the faedka stash we gave away to the merchant

I'm fucking dying of laughter here
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Goddamn, we probably had hundreds of liters of an extremely potent anti-adept, anti-shrine weapon and not only did we give it away, we had a month long bender with our knights AND passed it around carona during the snake feast.

Guess who bought up the rest of that supply of faedka? Marcus. Artemis. Now they can use it with abandon against our side in the coming civil war.

Riz can we just, like, hang ourselves now? Or will dryad fuck that up? Maybe if we ask the oakenrue nicely it will make a high branch and twine s noose for us
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>>3810783
>Our Aspiration doesn't need it's core anymore, if I recall correctly. That was what inspired me to use it for the Behemoth originally.

I remember that, but something in the new forgettings list worries me
>32. Upon reuniting with the oakenrue you looked over its current state and noted there were several details about it that may have triggered something relevant.
>32a. You failed to realize it no longer had its core, and thus had become an Aspiration at some point. Similarly, you failed to realize its alcoholic scented blood was a hint towards the true nature of Faedka.
I could have sworn it still had it last we saw but the list says that's a no go for cores.

>>3811211
>>Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
We asked Gehr to meet us at our house with an escort, Markus was also waiting for just such a convenient opportunity to capture some knights or neutralise Irue

>"Gehr, tell Rinnier that I'll be heading north after I'm finished out here. Make arrangements to meet me at the manor afterwards."
>In the end it was better to plan for the eventuality than not. Worst case scenario you had an armed guard escort you back to Carona, which was a far cry better than your usual travelling arrangements had been.
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Just about to turn in due to risen skyfire, going to comment/clarify on some stuff before I go.

>>3811218
>Shade is the worst mana to use against Wisp, based on Shadowrue's experience.
I'll try and make a note to have Marchovic exposition on this a little, but the tl;dr is that Dopplerue's fight against the Paladin resulted in said paladin almost too exhausted to stand and rendered so incredibly feeble that he was bed ridden for several days despite Wisp's regenerative nature.

There's a lot of little established setting details which I'm sure you guys know individually, but probably didn't put into a single package. Maybe I should have made it a Forgetting... Hm.

>>3811311
>Our Aspiration doesn't need it's core anymore.
>I could have sworn it still had it last we saw but the list says that's a no go for cores.
Both of you are correct! Apparitions always have their core on them because the core is a physical medium from which they manifest. Becoming an Aspiration means they've matured enough to remain manifested without the need for a physical medium, which typically means they shed said core since it's become useless to them.

The last mention of your flesh abomination's core was not too long ago, shortly after you returned to Carona from the Atelier.
>Flesh covered its length, spiderwebbed with the amber veins you had come to recognize as its lifeblood. At one time it had served as the apparition's core - Coalesced and localized as a mimicry of your own bracelet - but you wondered if such a concept could even be applied to it any longer. Had its core simply evolved in some manner? Or was this something beyond a core entirely?
In all likelihood, your apparition matured into an Aspiration while guarding Ari within Dryad's Atelier, meaning it shed its core inside there as well. Paradoxically it is well out of reach for you now, despite having not gone very far.

The good news is that in prior conversations regarding potential agriculture recoveries in Carona, you guys did identify a source of Dryad cores you could use. None of them would be near as potent as your Aspiration's for fairly obvious reasons, but they exist all the same as soon as you remember where you left them.

And finally for some fun trivia, your new apparition does not have a bracelet replica as its core! Please be gentle when searching for it; the child may be ticklish.
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>>3811211
>"If you roused it under stress, I had little doubt you would have been fine.
Oh God. This entire stupid expedition makes a twisted sort of sense now. Of course, it wouldn't have worked; Dryad has already blocked a Shade-based transformation once.

Are we not telling them we "barely escaped?" Because I really want to tell him he was miserably wrong about the paladin being weakened.
>>3811232
>don't remember us seeing any open wounds or blood on the paladin.
Same. I think Marchovic overestimated the Faedka's flushing ability in small doses. I wonder if he confused it with an actual poison that's much more potent.

>"I bought a whole bunch of it couple months ago."
>"Some merchant wandered into town trying to sell it as booze.
We still can't get rid of the stuff! Despite literally selling it to a wandering merchant, it still made its way back to us! I wonder if drinking it again would remove this Shade scar. I suspect as long as we have it, he'll keep pushing us in an attempt to open it.

>>3811218
So did I. Searing light, to burn away the shadows.


>Ask Marchovic and Raid about any people that were with the adept.
>Didn't the adept imply he killed Marko?
>Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
I suspect
>>3811311
this is right.
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Wait, you didn't vote for shade because you thought it was a bad matchup? We trounced that guy last time, scared him half to death. Markovich wouldn't have gone after the adept if shade was the weaker one.

Even if I'd been around for the vote I probably wouldn't have wanted to try using the fucking thing anyway, no matter which mana. it never works the way you want or expect it to.

>>3811654
To be fair he wouldn't have been miserably weakened if we had adept powers. Not sure they'll buy that we barely escaped. Nothing so far had suggested that we look beat up, dryad probably washed and ironed out our clothes too
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>>3811687
He would have been*
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>>3811577
>they exist all the same as soon as you remember where you left them.
There's a whole bunch of dead oakenrues at the river near our house. That's gotta be it, right?

>>3811211
>Go to our house to meet up with Gehr and look for cores
>Ask Marchovic if he killed any oakenbears along our route

Concerning Marchovic's explanation
>He wasn't as weak as you expected, he nearly broke the sound barrier when he leapt at me
>Ask what kind of halfassed business he had with the wisp adept in the first place, it couldn't have been that important if he was just going to fuck off five minutes through the fight
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> Am I forgetting something...? (write-in)
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>>3811211
>"I bought a whole bunch of it couple months ago." Marchovic shrugged, "Some merchant wandered into town trying to sell it as booze. Tell you the truth, I've been looking for an excuse to test the stuff ever since."


Is it the Faedeka that we got rid of? Sounds like it.
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>>3811211
Ask how he recognised the poison
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>>3811577
>In all likelihood, your apparition matured into an Aspiration
Oh, I've got names for them. AspRue (aspiration and the tree aspen), and OakenRue.
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Raids ended for the night! Going to take a shower and get writing!

Also most of you got the Forgetting.
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>>3811577
>they exist all the same as soon as you remember where you left them.
The ones from the Oakenrues that were burned down, probably.
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>>3813519
Oh wow, I thought that was a red herring. How come the shrine is listed as our previous plan instead of the house then?
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>>3813519
The Faedka? That seemed far too obvious for a Forgetting. Not that I'm complaining.
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>>3813582
Someone wanted to deal with the shade apparition in it
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>>3813630
Dunno why. I thought the mutual agreement when we figured it might still be there was to leave it alone.
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>>3811231
Back to Carona! We have things to do!

>>3811654 *
>>3811311 *
Back to our house to meet with Gehr! This wasn't the forgetting but since you guys have made a point of it, I'm assuming you no longer want to head to the abandoned Shrine? We'll go straight to the house, then!

>>3811232
>>3811654
Asking about the emissary! Was anyone with the Paladin?

>>3811232
Tracking paladin immediately, get sniffing Raid!

>>3812745
How did you recognize the poison, anyway?

>>3811232
>>3811290
>>3812728
The Forgetting was the Faedka!

Alright, let's see what I can do!
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>>3813582
>How come the shrine is listed as our previous plan instead of the house then?
Your original plan to be met at your house was predicated around going to the abandoned Shrine. Though now you guys have your sights set on picking up the Dryad cores left around there and getting right back to Carona, so you'll do that instead!

>>3813608
>That seemed far too obvious for a Forgetting.
I don't make them purposefully hard anon, it's just whenever a relevant detail from earlier comes up again. The faedka for example is something from almost 30 threads ago!

>>3811232
>Unless they produce another, indistinguishable poison.
>>3811654
>I wonder if he confused it with an actual poison that's much more potent.
I'll treat this as a bonus Forgetting.
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>>3813653
> I don't make them purposefully hard anon,

Looking at our track record, ouch.
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>>3813653
>Though now you guys have your sights set on picking up the Dryad cores left around there and getting right back to Carona, so you'll do that instead!
I seem to recall Adepts can detect cores from range. Collecting Dryad cores in the company of a Shade Adept and an amoral sounds like a bad idea. Even if they don't know them for what they are, us collecting them will raise eyebrows.
If we do get the cores we need to stash them some distance away from town before entering. Oaken and Asp are kinda ignorable as "that crazy noble" but mana cores would be much more obvious.

Also, some sort of disguise for OakenRue would be nice before we meet with anyone else. Ideally, this could be done out of sight of our companions.
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>I don't make them purposefully hard anon
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>>3813653
>Though now you guys have your sights set on picking up the Dryad cores left around there and getting right back to Carona, so you'll do that instead!

That's a bit rude to the guy who wanted to go there, who appear to be absent, plus i don't think they're that mutually exclusive. I think most here weren't thinking about the geography of the trip right now.

Give a choice to check it out when we're close?
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>>3813703
>That's a bit rude to the guy who wanted to go there,
If it was just the one anon, we shouldn't have been going there in the first place.
>I think most here weren't thinking about the geography of the trip right now.
Seeing as we're supposed to be meeting people elsewhere, and we have time sensitive information, now is not the time for diversions. Whatever is at the ruined Shrine has been there all this time, it can wait a little longer.

>>3813653
>The faedka for example is something from almost 30 threads ago!
Yeah, but it was a very distinctive event. That stupid stuff was responsible for the entire second arc. I bet there's been some reference to the stuff every couple of threads since.
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Faedka. You'd ordered the stuff evicted from your estate twice, sold it to a wandering merchant just to empty what remained, and it still found its way right back into your life... Though you had a niggling feeling that you'd been the one to suggest the merchant sell his bounty in Carona in the first place. You'd just assumed it would have been drank already, or... Or just that it was gone for once.

But no, apparently Marchovic had just bought up a supply of it thinking it was East Heaven's mana flushing poison. Setting aside that he'd just been sitting on a stockpile of what he earnestly believed to be a rare poison like a crate of toys for a rainy day, how did Marchovic even recognize it as a poison in the first place?

You turn the question over to the man in question, and the way his face lit up made you regret it immediately. "I drank it!"

"You thought it was poison and you drank it anyway?" You deadpan at the too-proud smile on his face.

"No, I thought it was booze and I drank it. One bottle of that stuff later and recognized it for what it was, though I don't think the merchant selling it did."

"Then wait," You shake your head frustratedly, "That doesn't answer my question at all. Why are you so familiar with East Heaven's poisons?"

"I like to think of myself as an afficionado of debilitating drinks." He pitched an incredibly bright and toothy smile at you. "I had a pretty fun life before I settled down in Carona, y'know? Or, that's what I'd like to say." He shrugged against the tree, "Truth is I'd heard a lot about Amyst, but this was my first time actually getting a hold of any." He paused when you blinked, "That's the drug's name. Want to know-"

"Depriving the victim of their connection to the Mana, amystification, or flushing." You interrupt him, tiredly pinching the bridge of your nose. "Amyst. That's where it got its name from."

"Oh hoh?" Marchovic sat forward with rapt eyes. "And just how does a pretty thing like you know about it, hm?"

"I read it in a report recently."
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Your mind was already straying from the conversation before that idle retort. This was more or less what had been contained in Asche's report on their drug from your time searching the Valen archives, but that wasn't what faedka was; You'd mistaken it as that yourself initially, but if it was a matter of flushing mana from someone there were multiple ways to achieve that. What Marchovic had mistaken for East Heaven's drugs was just Dryad's blood... And that only made things more complicated if he was sitting on a stash of it now. Not to mention the likelihood of raw potency differences and dosage.

Could you even apply it through wounds? Did it work like that? You had no idea. It'd never occurred to you to dip a knife it and stab someone. What kind of idiot just looked at alcohol and thought to do that?

You spared a glance back at Marchovic's irreverently gleeful face.

"Your doseage was wrong." You heave a frustrated sigh. "When the Wisp Adept caught up he'd started healing already. I barely made it out of there with my life."

"Really?" The Shade Representative propped his chin up with his hand, seeming to consider the idea. "Good to know for next time. Only real harm in going hard is running out sooner than I'd like."

"Stop gambling with my life on a minimum dose!" You snap back, "And that guy's still alive, he escaped before the fae could finish him off."

"I went through all that trouble and you didn't even kill him?"

"Kill him yourself next time!"

Knowing now that he'd planned to rouse your scar in some manner, this entire invitation made a frustrating, almost infuriating, amount of sense. Of course the Shade Representative wouldn't think twice about endangering you if he thought there a benefit for you. That was... That was Shade's whole deal. It believed in people more than anything, but that belief just meant it pushed them harder. There were more victims who failed to live up to Shade's faith in them than any other Mana.

That was why he'd invited you out here, knowing full well you weren't a combatant. Why he'd been so insistent on keeping the group small. He'd planned this from the damn start.

"Raid, do you think you can catch the Wisp adept's scent?" You just wanted to go home at this point, but there were still some things you needed to do before then. "He's already injured and weakened, if we let him get away now he's just going to crop back up as a thorn in our side later."

Kara's younger brother had been conspicuously silent while you tore into Marchovic. When your attention finally landed on him, he seemed... Meek. "I can give it a shot, sure."

"Is there a problem?"

"Well let's say I can follow him, how do I get word back about where we are? And if Fang's poison wasn't strong enough in the first place, are we sure it'll be safe for me to track him down? Isn't this the guy my sister fought?"
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"...Alright. Fair." Were you willing to gamble Raid's life on the same conditions Marchovic gambled yours? If you didn't, you knew for a fact that jackass was going to show back up again eventually. You'd tangled with him twice now, it'd be too lucky for you if you just never saw him again. You sighed again, an action you'd been taking a lot during this conversation, and left the matter aside for now.

"Marchovic, did you see anyone with the adept when you found him? He was supposed to be escorting some kind of emissary."

"No friends." He shook his head seriously, "If there were, I'd have had a harder time taking him on than I had anyway."

"Yeah, when he came barging in he told me he'd killed you." Your crimson eyes narrowed accusingly. "You look healthy for a dead man." You - You specifically! - were allowed to say that, and no one would convince you otherwise.

"Rumours of my demise have been greatly exaggerated on several occasions, I promise you." Marchovic favored you with a roguish grin. "There's probably four or five noble territories who think I'm dead right now, everyone makes mistakes."

"That's an awfully specific mistake to be made across a handful of territories." You observe despite yourself, studiously ignoring the man wiggling his eyebrows suggestively at you. "I thought you said you let him go?"

"Oh I did, absolutely." Marchovic nodded understandingly, "After I'd done enough I took a blow with an appropriate amount of dramatic flair, tumbled off the raft, then hung out underneath it until I felt him leave."

"That sounds suspiciously like you ran away."

"I object to that-" He shook his finger at you lecturingly. "We started a fight on the raft, the one who left the raft was the other guy. In any court of law they'd agree he was the one who ran."

"I feel like you'd be convicted of worse than running if you wound up in a court." Your shoulders sagged miserably. "What were you going to do if he didn't leave soon? Drown down there?"

"I can hold my breathe a very long time, blondie. I once wore a set of thighs as earmuffs for-"

"Stop."
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You were going to cry again. The reality that you were stuck out here, miles from Carona, relying on a demihuman apt to betray you and a Shade Adept who'd nearly gotten you killed was hurting your soul. You wanted Kara back. You wanted Rinnier and Asche. You wanted a drink.

The Dryad apparition peered uncomfortably close to your face while you stood there collecting yourself, its ivy hair rustling with concern as it leaned heavily against you. "Fuck you?" It crooned what you had to assume was meant to be a note of reassurance.

>Send Raid after the paladin. The risk was worth keeping tabs on him.
>Trust Raid with a message for Carona and hope he makes it in time. (What message?)
>Keep Raid with you.

And!

>Start making your way north to the rendezvous with Rinnier and your knights.
>Send Raid to the rendezvous instead and rush back to Carona yourself.
>Set a course for the abandoned Shrine. You had business there you couldn't bring yourself to put off.
>Other? (write-in)
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>>3813745
>Keep Raid with you.
>Send Raid to the rendezvous instead and rush back to Carona yourself.
We need to apprehend Marcus and shit, pronto
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>>3813745
Supporting >>3813752
If we go to meet Rinnier, we'll lose too much time.
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>>3813745
>You wanted a drink.
Bad Rue. Drink was what caused one of Ari's kidnappings.


>>Keep Raid with you.
Not wanting to be alone with Marcovich was part of the reason we brought the others along in the first place.
More importantly though, all the demihumans are currently under suspicion as a potential fifth column (again), Raid included. I want to send a message back to the knights in town to play defensive, but if he is turned it won't make it, and will tip the infiltration group off about our awareness.

>>Send Raid to the rendezvous instead and rush back to Carona yourself.
If we're fast and lucky, we can prevent the kidnapping. That's going to be a headache and a half to sort out otherwise, and will certainly cause morale issues as well.

I know we converted an old building as HQ, but is there anything more defensible we could repurpose instead? Or at least fortify the hell out of the current HQ?
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>>3813745
Wait so Rinnier is at our house too? I don't know why she would come but she's pretty exposed out here and the most frustrating of our assets from Markus' perspective so we should check in with her and make sure she hasn't been stuffed in a bag already.
>Start making your way north to the rendezvous with Rinnier and your knights.
>Keep Raid with you.

Rinnier knows the most about Carona and will probably present us with multiple good ideas when we brief her on Markus, also we can't trust the potentially traitorous demihuman to accurately convey the message about the exact same betrayal he could very well be wrapped up in. We bought ourselves some time with the markus forgetting, lets not fuck it all up by rushing things.
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>>3813745
Hey Riz, what's the travel time look like from here to Carona and here to the house? I seem to remember house to Carona is a week or two.

Depending on the time differences, we could go to the house ourselves, meet, and teleport back. Or send these two nutcases to the house and teleport from here once they're out of sight.
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Actually, sending those two back alone seemed like a good idea. My question is though - could we teleport our Dryad apparition home with us?
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>>3814363
I don't think so; teleporting comes from a Udine Alteir, and we haven't tried with AspRue.
We could send it to the house with them; Riner will not be pleased to see another one, and this exposes it to whoever else she brought. We could send AspRue to retrieve it; not a fan, as having it around for dealing with the infiltrators would be nice, and leaving the newborn alone for however long seems like a bad idea. We could point it in the direction of Carona and tell it we'll meet it there; I doubt it will have issues navigating, but it has the same loneliness issues.

I'll tentatively go with the last option. We'll need to post some sort of sentry near it's expected arrival time, but otherwise seems the cleanest.
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>>3814704
> Riner will not be pleased to see another one, and this exposes it to whoever else she brought.
You mean the knights? They already know about it.
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Well I mean not this one specifically but the knights all saw us use it before they joined us.
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why don't we ask oakenrue to turn into a massive wooden horse
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>>3814767
They know about the original, not this new one. Not a huge deal, but still.
More importantly, we don't' know if she brought anyone else. If, say, they ran into Mim and she decided to hang with them, there might be trouble.
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>>3814803
Mim explicitly agreed to keep her nose out of this.
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>>3813745
>>Keep Raid with you.

>>Start making your way north to the rendezvous with Rinnier and your knights.

Fuck it, haste it is. We can teleport to Carona asap once we know the situation at RZ. Hell we can use the diary to mitigate the damage from the fall even!
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>>3814807
True, but she might not have considered waiting for us at the house "sticking her nose in". I doubt she'd expect us to be openly walking around with such a secret.
But she was just an example. Reiner might have brought other Shrine members, or townsfolk for one reason or another. It's not likely, but, ya know, worth considering.

If we do end up walking somewhere, spend the travel time giving OakenRue a more diverse preferably less profane vocabulary, and some sort of disguise. A walking stick like AspRue is fine, but I wonder what else it could hide as. Boots? Bracelet? Gloves? Clothing?
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>>3814343
From where you are to your house will take you ~1-2 days, depending on your pace. To return directly to Carona from where you are would take ~5-6 days, similarly pace dependent. The route from your house to Carona takes you around a week on foot, significantly less by horse, and of course Kara's previously made it in roughly a day. I should really codify a static distance reference to make this easier, but right now these are some rough estimates to go by.

Generally speaking, the road from your house to Carona is a much longer distance than just walking straight through the forest, but roads require basically no effort to navigate and wander through.

Now all of that said, there is something I don't think is being taken into account! Namely, it's only been a couple days, let's say 2-3, since you sent Mim and Gehr back to Carona with your message. By the time you arrive at your house, Rinnier will either have just received the message or will still be about a day off from hearing it.

You already know you don't really have a bunch of horses at your disposal, meaning it would then take her around a week to march your knights up the road, leaving you hanging around your house with free time for at least that long.

So, things to consider in summary:
>Irue and Co.
1. Here to Carona: 5-6 days.
2. Here to House: 1-2 days.

>Rinnier and Co.
Time until message arrives: 2-3 days.
Carona to House: 7-9 days.

Normally I'd say that miscalculating for message delivery time and mobility logistics is something you bring upon yourself, but we've very rarely interacted with actual distances so far. Consider this reminder a freebie on account of me not properly accustoming you all to the considerations of long range coordination. This IS something that will become increasingly relevant as your scale of operations continues to broaden.
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>>3814300
>is there anything more defensible we could repurpose instead?
Not really. Not in Carona, at least. There's the ruins of the old Tier estate inside Carona, but it's ground zero for the wreckage left by Mistral's Child, so it'd be a huge undertaking, and most of the infrastructure there is ruined. Though you do know it has an underground aspect to it!

There's also the "new" Tier estate outside of Carona's walls, which is similarly burned out after the arson and disappearance of said family. It's slightly better of a choice than the older Tier estate, but still a decent undertaking to get in repaired and workable shape. Both of these are relatively close by options!

>Or at least fortify the hell out of the current HQ?
You can get that done if you'd like, but it'd be kind of curious to begin fortifying your makeshift HQ against hostilities while the rest of Carona is still being cleaned up and reconstructed. If that's your priority though, that's your priority!

>>3814363
>could we teleport our Dryad apparition home with us?
No. Now you could sleep with it and try to proc Hearts In Harmony to extend your Atelier privileges to the apparition, allowing it to teleport back on its own! What could go wrong? You don't actually know if Hearts In Harmony even applies to apparitions in the first place, so there's no guarantee it'd work anyway.
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>>3815431
Thank you. That considerably changes things. There is no longer any reason to go to the house, especially with the time sensitivity of our info and not sending Reiner on a multi-week goose chase.
I figure we should tell them we need to "check on something, I'll meet you back in town", then teleport back once they're out of sight. Only downside is that still leaves OakenRue as a loose end. I'll still say send it back to town with them for now.

>I should really codify a static distance reference
You could use the old definition of a league, which was the distance you could walk in an hour. Vague in the absolute, but still useful for logistics.

>as your scale of operations continues to broaden.
Does that mean we might finally be able to leave that hellhole of a town behind? Or even just visit another town? Glory be!


>>3815449
>Not really.
I was afraid of that. Oh well.
>but it'd be kind of curious to begin fortifying your makeshift HQ against hostilities while the rest of Carona is still being cleaned up and reconstructed.
I'm not worried about open war yet, but this infiltration group has me worried about raids or similar. Somewhere that has just some open space around it so we could control traffic flow would reduce the risk of saboteurs and the like.

>spoiler
I imagine the vastly alien nature of an Apparition's mind would be unhealthy to be intertwined with for any length of time. Would be useful for teleports though.
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>Does that mean we might finally be able to leave that hellhole of a town behind? Or even just visit another town?
You've been able to go basically where ever you wanted since the Rite ended, anon! You've just not wanted to go anywhere. There were other things more pressing on your mind to attend to first!

But you're out in the middle of the woods right now. There's really no difference between you wanting to go out here and, say, down to Sylv or Resuri.
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>>3815663
>You've just not wanted to go anywhere.
We've wanted to go anywhere else since we stepped foot there, we've just never been able to justify leaving. This stupid place keeps dragging us back In that respect, we're not so different from the Ice Queen.
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>>3815449
We are absolutely not teleporting away and abandoning our apparition 30 minutes after receiving it.

How about a compromise? We could probably shave some time off by ditching the two assholes and shifting oakenrue into some kind of travel mode. I remember the oakenrue could travel by leaping from tree to tree so there's precedent at least.
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I'm going to close the window in about an hour or so. It's later than necessary, but I wanted to give you guys as much time as possible to potentially adjust your ideas after I offered some clarification on distance and travel time.
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>>3815431
>Teleport to Carona, send the others on foot
By doing this we a) prevent Marcus from putting his plans into motion, b) catch Rinnier and the knights still in Carona, and c) are guaranteed to arrive before the paladin. This imho is absolutely worth leaving the apparition to go arrive by itself.
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in b4 marchovic steals our apparition forever
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Why did we ask gehr to assemble rinnier and a team at our house anyway? Did anyone vote for that?
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>>3815885
It was related to taking prisoners, back before we realized that was stupid, surviving was going to be hard enough.

#73
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/3601835/
>>3619122

>"Gehr, tell Rinnier that I'll be heading north after I'm finished out here. Make arrangements to meet me at the manor afterwards."

>"Should we be expecting to pick up anyone more than yourself?" He rumbled

>Worst case scenario you had an armed guard escort you back to Carona, which was a far cry better than your usual travelling arrangements had been. "A handful of others, most likely."
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>>3815903
Yeah I know that, I was asking why Irue decided to take that action. I don't remember anyone ever putting the idea forward.
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>>3815910
one reference here to sending them back with a message, though there was scattered agreement about sending them back in general. Notably, there wasn't dissent against sending a message back with them.
>>3612559
>Actually, if we're not bringing Mim or Raid anyway, maybe they can book it back to Carona and inform Rinnier what were up to (minus the diary bits I guess, I think Rinny smart enough to figure out that we'd probably be using it for this).
>Tell them to prepare either a rescue mission or a clean up crew, depending on how much faith they have in our abilities.
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JUST BARELY MADE IT! CHANGING VOTE TO

>Keep Raid with you,
>Start making your way north to the rendezvous with Rinnier and your knights.
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>>3815946
why though? We'll be waiting for a week for her to get here, only to turn right back around and travel for another week.
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>>3813745
>other
Teleport to Carona, send the others back to town on foot.
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>>3815958
Tbh we don't have to wait at the house for her if we know where she's going to come from. We could totally just speed down the road with oakenrue as soon as we collect our cores.

I'm off for now, whatever happens take care of oakenrue pls
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>>3815958
We will teleport to Carona from home and send the rest by foot. It seems the best way
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Oh and we should take the opportunity to sleep with our Dryad apparition while marching! Let's see what happens, why not
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>>3815970
So we come to an empty house then teleport from there? For what purpose?
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>>3815975
Because we send our apparition, Raid and Marchovic to Carona by foot from there, and in case we miss Rinnier they will meet her and direct her back to Carona.
This way we also minimize the time we spend away from our apparition. Don't want to keep it away too long
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>>3815971
No way. Hearts in Harmony has no emergency exit option. In the same way experimenting with the Diary of Reflections could kill us (it could turn into an water, which then evaporates), experimenting with our powers needs to be done in a safe manner.

>>3815975
Going to the house at all is stupid, but at least teleporting from there lets us beat Rinner leaving the town without a leader in the middle of an infiltration.
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>>3815979
aww fine. But I'm curious what would happen
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>>3815977
anon, check the times here please:
>>3815431
If we go to the house it will about 1 day before Rinner even gets the message, then a week+ for her to get there, and for what?
Further, teleporting from the house will leave it alone for the week+ it takes for it to get back from the house, as opposed to 5-6 days from here.

>>3815988
I am too, but I have a healthy respect for Artifacts and Altier powers, especially after this most recent fight. Too much risk for too little gain.
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>>3815994
Shit, you're right. I was in a hurry.
I'll change my vote once again back to
>>3813752
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I wonder if this constant low-key agree agrevation Marcovich seems to love causing us is an extension of the "Shade pushing you to greatness" via the scar (it's supposed to open under enough stress, right), or if he's just a dick.

I don't remember what the Shade scar opening is supposed to do, or why he wants it. I thought it would have been a bad thing.
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>>3813752 pDd - Changed from this, then changed back to this.
>>3813868 4k3
>>3813868 Muy
>>3814312 iKw
>>3814872 Oir
Keep raid with you!

>>3813752 pDd
>>3813868 4k3
>>3814300 Muy - Old/invalid
Send Raid to your old estate, rush back to Carona yourself!

So we're definitely keeping Raid with us rather than tossing him to the Paladin or entrusting a message for him!
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>>3814312 iKw
>>3814872 Oir
Head towards your estate!

>>3815517 Muy - New
>>3815842 nmM
>>3815963 rES
Teleport back to Carona to catch Rinnier immediately!

>>3815774
Ditch Raid/Marchovic and try to speed your travel with the apparition! We can't leave it behind!

Looks like the overall intention is to rush back to Carona as quickly as possible, with a preference for ditching the group to ensure you get there immediately. Combined with the last result, surely this means the popular vote is to sleep with Raid so he can teleport back to Carona with you, right? Of course it is. Writing!
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>>3816097
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>>3816024
>I don't remember what the Shade scar opening is supposed to do, or why he wants it. I thought it would have been a bad thing.

Thread #67
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive/2340240/
>>2355931
>"Then what exactly are these 'scars'?"
>"Where do you think an apparition goes when it's been dispersed?" "They can't die, so the only other option is that they return to Mana.
>"Then where do you think an apparition goes if it wasn't born from the land?" "The same principle applies. It returns to its material components, and returns to its parent.
>"...So it'll come back?"
>"In one shape, or another." "It will be familiar, but stronger. It's less of an egg and more of a parasite, because the time it spends festering will let its roots spread. When it emerges again, it'll take more of you with it than the time before, and be even harder to put down."

>How to I Deal with the scar it's left behind?
>"You're already doing it. Slowly.
>"...Useless."

>"I promised not to pry."
>"Scars leave a mark. As you come to terms with what was left behind, that mark becomes physical.

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>"I mean they turned out to be true and that's actually pretty cool, but I bet your life on that scar you got."
> "If you roused it under stress, I had little doubt you would have been fine.
Marchovic? What the fuck were you doing? If the scar had blown like you'd planned, you would have wrecked our healing process, and spawned a horrible, stronger sibling of ShadowRue. So much for not prying.
I kinda liked Marchovic, in that kinda annoying, but colorful and component kinda way. But this? What the fuck?

>>3816097
>surely this means the popular vote is to sleep with Raid so he can teleport back to Carona with you, right? Of course it is. Writing!
>pic related
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>>3816107
>spawned a horrible, stronger sibling of ShadowRue.
Recall that exposure to Wisp actually weakens both the Wisp mana and the Shade mana as they neutralize each other. If his plan had worked, your scar would have become less potent, shaving off its accumulated mana to either buy you time to work on it further, or reduce its danger should you fail.

Either way it did run the chance of potentially ruining the healing process and depriving you of the scar's fun bits should you resolve it naturally, but it also ran the chance of you getting said fun bits quicker. As with most things related to Shade, it was a very sink or swim outlook.
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>>3816108
>shaving off its accumulated mana to either buy you time to work on it further
>When it emerges again, it'll take more of you with it than the time before, and be even harder to put down.
It doesn't sounds like the sort of thing that happens by degrees. Either the scar pops and births a new ShadowRue, or it doesn't.

>scar's fun bits
um?
>"Scars leave a mark. As you come to terms with what was left behind, that mark becomes physical.
That's the only 'fun' bit I can see.

I know the window is closed, but I'm adding a vote to kick him again.
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If we keep our clothes when we teleport we should totally be able to make the oakenrue come with by holding on to it.
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>>3816127
By that logic, we would be able to take anyone with us by doing the same. If we disguised it as something wearable, maybe. We couldn't even take AspRue in stick form. And humanoid? I don't think so.
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"Never again, do you understand me?"

"No more dates?"

Your foot curved to catch him in the ribs, a success aided infuriatingly by the fact that he hadn't bothered trying to avoid or stop your frustrated abuse. "This scar isn't something for you to play with." Venom hisses off your tongue with the words, "I told you not to get involved. I don't want your help with it. This scar is mine." And as dangerous as it was, it was the only thing your doppleganger had earnestly left you. The longer you stewed on the suggestion that he'd tried to meddle with that, the blacker your mood became.

Marchovic shrugged from his spot on the floor, matching your malicious gaze with a calmer, more evaluating hum being lowly drawn out from the pit of his throat. He was the first to break that staring contest, closing his eyes and heaving a pained sigh as he braced his back against a tree. "Alright. I was wrong, and I apologize."

"...What?" The question blurts out of your mouth almost faster than you can process it. "You're... Sorry?"

"Yeah." A small smile crossed his face as he sat there, seemingly unconcerned with his close you were to kicking him again.

"You- Do you think that makes it better?" Hot anger was swiftly draining from your voice, too flabbergasted at what you were seeing to maintain any respectable form of wrath. Agitation, frustration, irritability, certainly... But you were too confused to be outright angry. "You can't just apologize for gambling with my life and meddling after I told you not to!"

"Would you prefer I didn't apologize?"

"I'd prefer none of this have happened in the first place!"

"Well." He chuckled, "That's not an option, so this is all we've got."

Your blood pressure was rising. Every moment this conversation stretched on you lost more and more words trying to deal with it. An apology didn't make this better, and you knew damn well he knew that. Was he sincere? Was this another joke?

You weren't going to deal with it right now, and with the refugees and mercenaries dead, your reason for being out here at all was gone. "Raid! We're done here!"

"No chasing down Fang's mark, then?" The younger demihuman laced his fingers together behind his head, casting one last glance at the Shade Representative resting against the tree as you stomped off. A lingering consideration for the man, but not one that elicited anything further before he fell in and left him behind.

"No." As tempting as it was to keep tabs on the Paladin, risking Raid's life over it wasn't worth the trouble. You had more pressing matters to attend to anyway, and with any luck the man would stay well enough out of your life until you were finished. You shook your head, trying to physically dislodge your last interaction with Marchovic as you moved. "This isn't over, though. Not yet."
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The sandy haired youth followed both you and the apparition at a wary distance, keeping silent while you moved through the undergrowth of the forest. Only once it became apparent that you weren't going to continue did he tentatively show some curiosity. "So... What's next?"

"You return to Carona."

Knowing the demihumans were aiding the insurgents in Carona to undermine you was disgusting. Not the least of which because you'd received more than ample warning they would, and chosen deliberately to trust them anyway. You wanted to give them a chance, and trust them - On behalf of Kara at least; Luna only knew where she fell in all of this. Ultimately it left you in a difficult position, as confronting them without proper proof wouldn't get you anywhere... And sharing pertinent information with them risked leaking it directly to the enemy. The scope of what you could tell Raid, and how he could help you, narrowed to a perilously small radius.

"What are you going to do?" He probed carefully, "Wait for Fangs?"

"I have things to take care of still." Your eyes narrow, facing nothing but empty air as you planned your moves going forward. "But I can handle them alone. You need to get back to Carona as fast as possible, and warn them that the woods are going to get dangerous again soon."

"More mercenaries kinda dangerous, or..." He trailed off, eyeing the apparition doing its best to rest its head on your shoulder. It was having more success than it had any right to have, owing considerably to lesser greenery brushing aside so as to not inconvenience its walking path.

"Oakenbears." You correct grimly. "Probably snakes too, but definitely oakenbears."

"...Right." His footsteps stopped, letting a gap widen between you as he hung back. "What happened?"

"What?" Exasperation tinged your voice as you came to a halt.

"With you." His golden, slitted eyes were trained rapt on your every movement. "Your scent would disappear while we were separated, and you handled a guy even my sister couldn't beat? Then you come back with that thing, and that fight with Fangs over some kind of scar. What's going on?"

A litany of explanations sprung to mind. Truthful ones. Lies. And among them, no shortage of incensed retorts... But this cautious standoff wasn't something you had time for, and the demihumans weren't owed any insight into your private life. You were stressed, bottling up your emotions already to handle other things first, and so even if you were inclined to share with Raid? Now wasn't good for you.

"Some other time."

You turn away, signaling the end of the conversation, and split up not long after without another word.
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Left alone, you feel the tension drain all at once from your body. A frightening gap, as if your muscles had only supported your weight through stress, leaving your limbs and back to ache - Though even that was nothing compared to the way your heart felt like it would twist and turn out of your chest. Something that no amount of careful breathing exercises was going to do away with any time soon.

Your hands found themselves occupied brushing imaginary specks of soil from the apparition's frame. An almost forceful compulsion to straighten its appearance and tuck the spare vines of ivy which passed for hair behind its shoulders. Endless, meaningless, mindless adjustments that the child positively preened under. Something which served dangerously to blank your mind and recollect your thoughts somewhere else - Somewhere further removed from your feelings. Until the complaints of your body were a dull tingle, and the cesspool of feelings you'd gained from this expedition were reduced to little more than a scalding knot in your stomache.

You'd deal with them in time. As soon as possible. But before that could happen, you needed to get back to Carona. Needed to rip out the last thorns still nestled in that miserable village.

"I'm going on ahead." Your fingers traced the bracelet along your wrist, awkwardly leveraging it in the least disasterous manner you'd discovered so far to try and explain yourself to the apparition smiling back at you. "Find Carona, I'll be there. Stay out of sight when you get there, I'll..." You trailed off, shaking your head again to regain some measure of focus as your mind seemed to drift. "...If it's not me, Ari will find you. Or your... Sibling, I guess. Understand?"

It nuzzled into you, smooth wooden fingers clutching at your clothes to keep you close. You offered it a smile, hoping dearly the look on your face now wasn't a mirror for its own desperate, manic grin. You really hoped it understood, because you felt bad enough about abandoning it not half a day after meeting each other.

"Jinn Calls."

Yet the winds carried you away regardless; Crisp, cool, and weightless as the forest was lost in a screen of swirling leaves.
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When the winds parted you hung motionless above Carona. While it wasn't something you'd had the presence of mind to appreciate the first few times you pulled this trick, there was something disconcerting about the way the scents around you changed so abruptly. Like stepping from the street to a restaurant, the earthy soil and aromatic flowers which permeated the background of your rustic forest experience were traded entirely for stone grit, lumber dust, and the lingering warmth of cooked herbs. A trio of stronger distractions to obscure Carona's less tasteful elements.

Sight and sound returned to you not long after. A village under construction and repair months after its initial destruction at the hands of Mistral's Child, which had never the less begun to show actual progress on that front. Progress that you and Rinnier had orchestrated, after being left to this town's management at the end of your rite.

You didn't even scream as gravity finally took hold, leaving a comet trail of blonde hair waving in your descent. As Carona rushed up to greet your return, the only thing on your mind was a resolve to prioritize some kind of landing pad for the next time you did this.

Thud.
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You staggered into the pub adapted to be your headquarters with a sore body, a throbbing headache, dirt smeared clothes and debris still clinging to your hair. Arguably worse than your appearance was just how you felt, with bottled up and tossed aside emotional burdens melting together under pressure to form a truly unholy amalgamated abomination that was doubtlessly going to suck when you got around to opening it.

"Ser Valen...? Are you alright?"

"Been worse." You offer Fen a small smile, brushing back a loose lock of hair. "Where's Rinnier?"

"Miss Lamandra's in her office, should I-"

"No, that's fine." You wave your hand dismissively and start shuffling off. "Miska's alright?"

"Uh... Yeah." Fen stuttered, half-risen from his seat as he tried to decide what he was supposed to be doing with you in this state. "She's fine? Has something happened?"

You nod tiredly, clearing your throat. "Not yet. Call her in, please. Say it's an official..." You mind blanked again, frustratingly cloaking the word in a haze that took you a moment to fight through.

"Summons?"

"Summons." You affirm appreciatively. "We're about to be busy."

"I... Understand. I'll get right on it, Ser Valen."

You made it in time. A load off your mind, and something to make that tender smile on your face a little stronger as you knocked on Rinnier's office. You had the barest and briefest of moments to take a breath and straighten your posture before The flame haired Testament's muffled voice called you in.

It was the littlest details that soothed you in hard to describe ways. The familiarity of the hall and lighting, and the comfort that hearing Rinnier again brought you which trecherously made this place start to feel like home. Shade knows you needed it right now, but how bad off were you that some part of your battered psyche had started to accept this place as home?
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Rinnier's pen dropped as you entered, clacking onto the desk with a gasp. "Irue! When did you-" She paused, confused red eyes scanning across you as concern gradually took a back seat to exasperated resignation. "You look terrible."

"I feel terrible." You admit candidly, shutting the door behind you while unholstering your newly acquired crystalline branch. "Refugees are dead. Mercenaries too. The adept got away. This-" You set the sheathed thing on her desk. "-Is some kind of artificial Relic... Thing. We can use it to contact Marcus."

"You found another Atelier?" She deadpanned, looking from you to the curious artifact you'd dropped in front of her.

"No, it's artificial. Someone made it." It was getting harder to put your words together. "I stole it from the camp- Listen, we have a problem. Marcus was planning to kidnap some of the knights. Miska. Maybe others-" You blink rapidly. "-I don't know. I want them dead."

"Irue-" Rinnier started softly, reaching a hand out.

"-No," You interrupt, feeling a pressure one your shoulder as you tilted forward only to be caught and steadied. "This ends now. The hunt isn't over. I'm going to- Going- I'm..."

"You're going to rest." Rinnier held you by the shoulders, mitigating your unsteady wobbling. "I'll call Dullem and we'll start making preparations, but you need to sit down."

"Already told Fen. Dryad's awake, there's going to be more Oakenbears." Words kept leaving your lips, almost as quickly as your balance was. "I shouldn't have gone."

"Sit."

"Shouldn't have-"

"Sit." She repeated forcefully, navigating you to a couch as your knees obeyed, whether or not your mind had any say in it. One cool hand laid on your cheek, tilting your eyes up. "You're an idiot. Rest here while I get things together, we'll talk then."

You grunted something ornery, sinking into the cushion as she left. You weren't crying this time.

But you were fast asleep by the time she returned.
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This void was familiar.

...

You were dissolving again.

...

Unraveling.

...

You heard your own screams like the drone of a buzzing fly, growing duller. You wished you would stop.

...

Dryad wasn't here to save you.

..

That was fine.

.

This was
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"-to be okay?" A man's voice fretfully rumbled.

"-Stronger than-" Names... Dullem and Rinnier? "-looks. They'll be fine."

"If you say so. Rumour's going around Ser Valen dropped out of the sky like a rock."

"Probably an emergency." Rinnier's furtive voice murmured back. "Sorry to interrupt your date, I'll call you when Irue wakes up."

Names... That one was yours. Bits and pieces of your mind started to slot back together; Details and memories attached to that name reassembling. Waking you from your dreamless sleep, like the first choking breath of air after emerging from a deep abyss.

"...Or not." Rinnier's voice was clearer now as you stirred, cracking open an eye to find yourself curled under a blanket. Dullem stood near the door, scratching at his wide, barreled chest nervously as he looked you over.

"Welcome back, Ser Valen."

"Nmrgh." You stare up at him blearily from the safety of your blanket, only begrudingly pushing yourself into a sitting position to look between your knight captain and Rinnier as she leaned her hip back against the front of her desk with crossed arms.

"Feeling better?" She queried.

You weren't feeling a whole lot right now, which was... Actually an improvement. You nodded, receiving a smile in return.

"Good. Sorry if we woke you."

"Nnh." You cleared your throat, lucidity dripping back in. "How long?"

"Couple hours." Rinnier shook her head, "Thought you'd be out longer. I suppose you want to start now?"

>Ask for someone (who?)
>Start making plans
>Talk about something else (what?)
>Other? (write-in)
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The skyfire is risen so I must retreat for now. Took a little longer to write than expected!
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>>3816262
Brief Rinnier and Dullem on the mission, the artifact and the conversation with Marcus. Do they have a lead on him? Remind them of the faedka and how Markovich used it and we suspect that Artemis have bought up a big supply. Tell the shrine?

Where is Asche?

tell them all about the demihuman betrayal, so they aren't flat-footed. Call Kara and get her in the loop too. Find the traitors. If that can't be done we'll discuss if we should banish or hang the lot of them.

Get Fen and Miska in here. Brief them on the planned kidnapping of her and Asche.
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>>3816262
>Ask for someone
Ari and Kara. They will be our main force since the demihumans are traitors. Don't tell Kara about the betrayal yet, but tell Rinnier and Dullem.

>Talk about something else
Ask where the fuck did Asche go
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>>3816341
This + start making plans to arrest Marcus today
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>>3816246
>"I'm going on ahead."
This was the best option, but it still leaves me a little sad. When it does make it back to town, we need to spend some time with it. The OakenRues are needy things, and after almost a week alone it will need some attention. Plus, we'll need to teach it more than just swears, and some way to hide itself. I also really want to see the first meeting between big OakenRue and little.

>with any luck the man would stay well enough out of your life until you were finished.
If we were so lucky, we would have burned through the entire supply of luck for the quest. With the state Dryad is in, I'm hoping it will hunt him down, honestly.

>It was the littlest details that soothed you in hard to describe ways.
>But how bad off were you that some part of your battered psyche had started to accept this place as home?
In the same way, I find Rue's feeling of home comforting myself. Some little core of comfort in the sea of stress that makes up the rest of Rue's life.
>"Sit." She repeated forcefully, navigating you to a couch as your knees obeyed, whether or not your mind had any say in it. One cool hand laid on your cheek, tilting your eyes up. "You're an idiot. Rest here while I get things together, we'll talk then."
Rinner was such a massive pain to convert, but she's been so worth it.

>date
>Dullem
huh.

>Rumour's going around Ser Valen dropped out of the sky like a rock
uh oh. If our teleport trick is discovered, we can't use it for fear of someone trapping the landing zone. It would really suck to get run through by oversized "bird spikes" or something.


>Talk about something else (what?)
Make sure the door is closed. Tell them that we infiltrated the merc camp, and that it wasn't only a merc camp.
Marcus is leading a group in town that's attempting to incite a rebellion, through rousing the populace and occasional sabotage and the like. List off the specific plans he told us. Include the info about the demihumans.
>Talk about something else (what?)
Mention that Mim and Gehr will be showing up in a few days with a message for Rinner. Send them along to us I guess. He'll attribute it to fey stuff again, but I wonder what Mim will think. Mention Marcovic and Raid will show up in about a week, assuming they don't kill each other first.
>Start making plans
Scrape together what we know, and begin making plans for simultaneous strikes on every part of the infiltration group we can within the next few days. Otherwise once the first raid goes off, the rest will go to ground. Do not go without making sure Marcus can be grabbed; tell his strike group to look for a match to our branch.
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>>3816625
>Dullem date
Iirc that was a side thing in the Asche thread

IMO once we identify Marcus and his location we'll use Ari and her abomination to grab him.

Can we use the Spide- no! Bad! But maybe?
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>>3816660
>Iirc that was a side thing in the Asche thread
Oh yeah. First Rue has heard of it though.
>we'll use Ari and her abomination
unless it needs fine control, Ari is as much of a noncombatant as we are, there's no reason to send her. I'm minorly tempted to go ourselves actually, but that's hard to justify.
>Can we use the Spide- no! Bad! But maybe?
If we can get a rough location of Marcus or one of the other cells, it would be useful for pinning them down. But it takes forever maybe a little less due to having used it in town before?, and is only detection, so there's little reason otherwise.
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>>3816262
>Ask for someone (who?)
Ask about Asche. Also seconding calling for Ari and our abomination but lets leave Kara out of it until we have a plan solidified so that everyone can speak freely. Also at some point before we start planning tell Ari to offer any ideas, thoughts or general input she can with the briefing/planning, Irue is in a bad state so she needs to try and pitch in with this.
>Ask why everyone calls us "they" when they think we're not listening
>No one refers to Rinnier as a singular "they", right? Isn't that weird?
I've been waiting to poke at this! But I kept forgetting.
Oh and tell Dullam -
>Gehr is still alive and well, sorry if I worried you
Poor Dullam is in a similar position to us, it's weird that Irue doesn't empathise with him more
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>>3816996
>>Gehr is still alive and well, sorry if I worried you
Until the oakenbears catch up with them :D
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>>3816996
>Ask about Asche.
Rue is aware of her leaving, and has no reason to think anything's changed.
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>>3816316
>>3816625
Report on... Everything!

>>3816316
Maybe tell the Shrine about Artemis' activity in town and their potential ownership of an anti-adept drug?

>>3816316
>>3816341
>>3816433
>>3816996
I want my maid.

>>3816341
>>3816433
>>3816996
Where's Ari?

>>3816341
>>3816433
Bring Kara here!

>>3816316
>>3816341
>>3816433
Tell Kara and Dullem the completely surprising news that the demihumans have betrayed you!

>>3816316
Tell Kara that she and her pack betrayed you.

>>3816341
>>3816433
Don't tell Kara anything.

>>3816316
Include Fen and Miska!

>>3816996
Note to tell Dullem that Gehr is fine.
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So, plans!

>>3816625
Simultaneous surgical strikes on multiple groups to prevent going to ground. Marcus' apprehension takes priority!

>>3816660
Assigning Ari and the abomination to taking out Marcus!

>>3816316
>>3816341
>>3816433
>>3816625
>>3816660
>>3816745
>>3816996
Use A Spider's Web to find Marcus!

Alright, well our plans seem pretty universally agreed on. Let's see what I can do!
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>>3818893
>Use A Spider's Web to find Marcus!
Please don't joke like that
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>>3818893
If you want a tiebreaker for involving Kara, I'll throw in as a leave her out of this for now.

>Use A Spider's Web to find Marcus!
>pic related
If you keep this up, I'm going to accuse you of farming for reaction images.


Once we put out this latest fire of dealing with the infiltration group. We're going to need to take some time to process our actual death experience. It it clearly messing up Rue something bad, which I suspect is compounded by waking Dryad, wiping all the work and the knock-on effects for the world.

Maybe a meditation to Shade is in order again? But this time, bracelet comes off. We don't need to be spawning more Apparitions without a good reason.
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Waking to Rinnier and your knight captain had saved you time, but Asche should have been here. She'd almost always been nearby when she could help it, especially when you were in a state like this. You held your tongue, shifting uneasily on the couch to look around the room. "Where did you send Asche?"

"Me?" Rinnier looked like she'd expected this conversation, but did a doubletake when you skipped the 'where'. Never the less, she wasted no time cutting straight to the point. "I didn't send her anywhere. Asche made... Some kind of deal while you were gone. She's left to go west, looking for the descendant of the Ice Queen."

Your mouth formed a flat line as you stared. "She what?"

"Be happy I got that much out of her." Rinnier's mood darkened reminsciently. "Somehow she got information about the Tiers, but her side of the deal was to head west. My best guess is Murla, but she didn't seem to know where she was going... Much less who she was actually looking for."

>Am I forgetting something...? (Write-in)

"Why didn't you stop her?"

"Why would I?" Rinnier riposted with an arched brow. "She's had free run of the place since I met you, and you've certainly never stopped when I asked you to."

"Because-" ...Because she wasn't supposed to leave. She'd never left. "...Never mind. I don't know." Your first reaction was to chase after and accompany her, or drag her back and find out what was going on to make plans around it, but if you spent the time to do that then who knows how this situation with Artemis would turn out.

Somehow the fact Asche's departure had been her own choice and not at Rinnier's behest only worried you more.

"Did she at least tell you what she learned about the Tiers?"

"They're in Resuri. Or they were, pending last she heard." Rinnier began, "The family was sold as slaves and sent down river, apparently. I imagine this took place a while ago, so it's anyone's guess how many - if any - are still there."

The longer you waited on that, the less likely that information would be any good to you... But a lead was more than you'd had so far, so even the possibility jumped out at you. Followed, somewhat frustratingly, by the realization that even if you managed to rip the problems in Carona out by the roots, you were still choosing between two time different directions. You couldn't personally see to Resuri and track down Asche at the same time.

Either way, your plans for Artemis had to come first. You'd been talked out of tackling them immediately in favor of this civil war nonsense, but if they were going to stick their heads into this crapsack of a town then you'd relish the opportunity to start putting them down. "Alright. I want to bring Fen and Miska into this as well, and it's probably for the best if Ari is involved."

While listing off names, it was unexpectedly Dullem whose rumbling baritone rose to interrupt. "What about Kara?"
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You opened your mouth to agree almost out of habit, but that inclusion hung on the tip of your tongue. Rinnier appeared deliberately uninterested in the question, but when the lack of immediate answer stretched on she shifted to cast an inquisitive frown in your direction.

"No. Don't invite Kara into the meeting." You couldn't take the risk that she was part of the demihumans betraying you. "I... Received information that the demihuman pack has been tentatively cooperating with Marcus and the rest of the insurgents to undermine our efforts in Carona."

"Oh." Dullem's contribution ended with a single, awkward syllable. You nodded understandingly, bracing yourself for Rinnier's scolding reminder of how often she'd warned you of explicitly that happening.

"Ari should be near by. I had Fen send for her when you came back, so that shouldn't be long. Miska and Fen are already outside though, I believe you told Fen to summon her before coming in to see me?"

"Uh. Yeah." You hesitate, nodding an affirmation to her question after a second. "Regarding Kara though... I want to believe what's happening isn't something she's responsible for." That was still something you were adamant in holding onto. "But until we've discussed it more, I'm wary of involving her."

"Then we're going to be making our move on these people without the demihuman's aid?" Rinnier's arms crossed pending clarification. "You mentioned there were plans to kidnap a number of the knights. What, exactly, did you learn out there?"

"Mostly that. Marcus Krell is the lead agent working to subvert our governance in Carona, so far as I can tell. The refugees who split off from us may have been an issue, but I think Marcus was the one instigating most of the unrest since the mayor was put down."

"I imagine someone like him was here well before that." The fallen princess frowned contemplatively. "If his game is civil unrest then he would need connections before anything he did would really matter. Right now, for instance, it seems like he has a line to the Lishp family."

"Luke?" Dullem joined the scowl brigade with an expression like he'd just been fed a bug. "He's on the craftsmen council the two o'you set up t'get Carona back on its feet. Luke Lishp represents the local carpenters and their workload. You sayin' he's against us?"

"Probably." Rinnier shrugged. "I had my eye on Marcus after looking through the Luna Dominion missing person's reports. Recently there's reason to suggest he's connected to Erika Lishp - An accomplice of his, maybe?"

"Aye, I recognize the girl. Luke's daughter, ain't she?"
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Huddled under a blanket and pressing your nose into the warm fuzz of the blanket wrapped about you, you set your chin against your knees and watched your Testament and subordinate volley back and forth what seemed like a familiar conversation full of names and positions you only barely recognized. "So Marcus slipped up already?" You ventured to rejoin the conversation, looking between Rinnier and Dullem for confirmation, "He has the other half of the artificial relic I brought, and by his own admission is an agent of Artemis."

"Arte-who?"

"Rogue division of Luna." Rinnier tossed a quick summary aside for Dullem's benefit. "It's complicated, but... No, you're working under Irue so it's probably better you know sooner rather than later."

"Why's the Shrine against us now?" The bear of a man exhaled heavily, scratching at his short cut hair.

"Rogue division." Rinnier reemphasized. "They had a falling out with the Shrine's Luna Dominion years ago over the merits of information availability and education. Currently they run the city of Ephlesia to the west, but it seems like they've got their fingers in less idealistic matters as well."

"Well..." Dullem floundered uncertainly. "I guess... That makes sense."

"Does it?" Rinnier arched her brow.

"Not a lick, nah. But if they're trying to bother Ser Valen now, I guess we're gettin' rid of em?" He looked earnestly between the two of you, "S'bout all I need to know for now. If they're part of the Shrine before, that means we'll be going up against adepts of some sort, yeah?"

"One of them is probably a Luna adept. Marcus, if I had to guess." You weigh in cautiously, "There was a Wisp adept working with them as well, but he should be out of our hair for a while." You hoped.

"Just the one, then?" Dullem seemed to brighten. "Ain't too happy about that, but if it's just Luna then how bad could it be? They don't do the burning thing, the drowning thing, or any of that."

"There may be a Gnome adept working with them as well." Rinnier shooker her head. "We'll need to be on guard for that."

You blinked, raising your head. "Where'd you learn that?"

"Really?" Rinnier chuckled, "He was standing next to the Mayor when they were interrogating me. You were there too, remember?"

"...Roderick?" Your brows furrowed briefly.

"No, the other guy. The mayor had an escort with him that tried to resist-" Her recollection halted. "-Well at any rate, we never found out what happened to him after the Mistral's Child passed over. I'd place my bets on him being employed by Marcus and only working with the mayor as an aid, which means if he did survive we're liable to have to deal with him when we make our move."

"That sounds like a problem." Dullem didn't even try to hide his concern. "Any chance we could get someone else to handle that?"
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"I'd planned to assign Ari to dealing with Marcus to make sure he didn't escape." One cheek puffs up as you offer your considerations. "If we're not involving the demihumans then I can't ask Kara to intercede... So unless you want to take the Luna adept while Ari tries to handle the Gnome adept?"

"This is the second time you've brought her up." Rinnier cut in, "Why Ari? She's not a fighter. Normally you'd be trying to keep her out of this."

"At this point she has the most experience handling the golem." You shrugged, "Apparently there've been several attempts to abduct her since we returned to Carona, and it's taken care of all of them."

"...She never said anything about that." Rinnier pushed off the desk abruptly.

"Well, maybe she didn't know?" It didn't make a whole lot of sense to you either, but the golem had showed a remarkable propensity for autonomy in the past. "If it's been dealing with them before they got close, she'd never realize it was happening. If it can do that, I'm confident in having her put it to use on our raid."

"Isn't that a little hasty?" The fallen princess bit her lip.

"Now you're the one spoiling her." You retort unconvinced.

"I just don't want to trust her safety to that thing in the middle of a big fight." Rinnier defended bluntly, "We should at least ask her if she's comfortable first."

"She'll be here soon, right?" You shrug lightly, "We can do it then. May as well ask what she thinks of the plan anyway."

"Uh, if I can make a suggestion?" Dullem toed in edgewise, waiting for a nod of acknowledgement before he continued. "If it's a Gnome adept, ain't the Gnome Dominion meant t'police their own?"

"Dullem are you sure you want to do that?" Rinnier began worriedly, "You just started..."

"Yeah, I know." He glanced at his shoes bashfully, looking as if he was gonna drop the matter. "S'just, I mean that'd work, don't it? An' she takes her job pretty seriously anyhow. I think she'd help."

"Excuse me, what are we talking about?" You're sitting up now, trying and failing to follow this conversation.

"Dullem's started seeing the Gnome Representative after you left." Rinnier tossed a veritable bombshell in your lap almost dismissively, turning her attention back to the man in question as you were left struggling to reconcile the musclebound bitch of a woman and your knight captain together. "I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but mixing work and pleasure isn't a good idea. That kinda thing can start straining the relationship."

"Yeah?" He muttered thoughtfully. "I see what y'mean, I think. Leave yer work at work and all. Jus' we talk about work a lot, so I thought it'd be fine?"

"It's better to establish boundaries." Rinnier coached gently, "Especially with something like this. The Shrine's technically not supposed to be helping us deal with local politic. You'd be putting her in an awkward position."
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The larger man snapped his fingers, shaking one extended pointer in the Lamandran's direction. "Shit, yer right. I hadn't considered that..."

"Wait-" You speak up, "-You're seeing that woman? Like... Dating? Romantically?"

"Guess so." Dullem nodded, a light blush working through his suntanned skin. "S'not that big a deal, though."

"You were just supposed to negotiate a Gnome adept to help find ore veins." Incredulity blurted out inadvertently, "How?"

"I dunno, took a while before she was fine with that but uh, one thing led to another and we had dinner?"

"...??" Your mouth parted wordlessly.

"A couple times?"

"???"

"Getting back to the matter at hand." Rinnier cleared her throat, poorly hiding her mirth in the process. "Even if the demihumans are traitors, we may be able to include them in our plans anyway."

"What?" You reluctantly let the matter of Dullem's love life drop - For now - to turn back towards Rinnier. "I thought you'd be against involving them at all."

"Well if they're traitors then they're expendable." She delivered her vicious explanation with a candid, almost careless air. "Assuming we'll suffer causalties during these raids, it'd be better if the demihumans were the ones who died. That'd also let us involve the one you're so fond of to deal with the Gnome adept directly."

"What if they turn on us mid operation?" In a reversal you hadn't expected to find yourself in, it was your turn to be skeptical of Rinnier's inclusion of demihumans. "That's not only more casualties, it's potentially a failed operation altogether."

"And it's proof of which ones were working against you in the first place." Rinnier agreed, "Which, unless you have a better idea, we don't have a lot of options of uncovering in a timely or accurate manner. What do you plan to do with the ones who are working against you, anyway?" Red eyes bored down onto your own, pushing for answers. "Hang them? Do you think your pet's going to go for that? If you banish them, what's stopping them from just joining full time with the people coordinating with them?"

"I hadn't gotten that far yet." You bite back defensively, "What would you do?"

Rinnier's arms crossed, a motion for ending her stance on the matter without debate. "Kill them. Were it up to me the entire pack would have been put down immediately, there's really no point in trying to weed out bad apples among demihumans."

"Don't think Kara's been that bad..." Dullem muttered off to the side, shutting up swiftly after Rinnier shot him a sharp look.

"Regardless, I've made no secret how I feel on the matter." Rinnier continued, "While I'm not going to ride you on being warned, if you're serious about this then I want you to have a definitive plan for how you're going to handle this."

You snort petulantly, grateful despite yourself that she let the matter drop when you didn't reply.
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A knock at the door rescued the simmering stalemate in the room. "Miss Lamandra?"

"Come in, Fen."

Rinnier closed her eyes, smoothing out her expression into something more welcoming as she bid her secretary entrance - And in his wake came his wife's boisterous smile, striding into the room with a swagger as she moved to stand beside Dullem and elbow his side to get his attention. "I got a summons!" she bragged under her breath, eliciting a low chuckle from deep in the man's belly.

"Master!" And not long after came Ari, eyes immediately rapt to you after a swift sweep across the room. "You're back!" She leaned on the fleshbound walking stick her guardian formed to hobble over and knock you back against the couch backing as she threw her arms around your neck. "How did it go? Are you alright?"

"It... Went." You hesitate, stiffening reflexively at the sudden physical contact before fishing an arm out to try and extricate Ari to one side on the couch. The apparitions were one thing, but people were another, very different thing. "You've stayed out of trouble?"

"Yes!" Ari beamed, easily letting herself be sloughed off to the side before settling onto the couch.

You turned to regard the room's, now three fuller than before, and heard the door click shut behind Fen as he took up position in front of it. "Guess that's everyone." You begin, again, "Before we start there's a couple things I need to get out of the way. First, Dullem - I came back ahead of the others, but Gehr should be fine. He did everything I could have asked him to do, thank you for sending him my way."

"Really?" Your knight captain's back straightened, a smile slipping inadvertently across his face. "That's great! Glad we could help, Ser Val-" Miska cleared her throat, subtly kicking his foot in the process... And bringing a look of deeply seated patience over the barrel chested man's face as he corrected himself. "Feyliege."

You offer a wane smile, giving him the small mercy of pretending you'd not seen the exchange. "Speaking of Gehr, he'll be coming with a message that I said to organize a trip up to my estate. I did say that, but plans have changed, you can direct him to me once he arrived if he's concerned."

Fen nodded. If he had questions about the peculiarities of your instructions, he didn't seem inclined to voice them.

"So." You began shortly, "Where to start... Plans have been made to abduct several of the knights in an attempt to destabilize our authority. Miska-" You nod to her, "-Is one of them, presumably with the hopes of being able to blackmail Fen."
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Rinnier's secretary blanched. You recall he was self-admittedly not the most confident of your subordinates, having been encouraged into his current position by his soon-to-be wife, the current subject of potential kidnapping. And she...

"Awesome!"

...Worried you, sometimes. "No, Miska, that's not awesome at all." Fen scolded her swiftly, "You're in danger!"

"Aww, no I'm not Fen. Our feyliege came back to stop it, we're probably gonna do super cool knight stuff now!"

She reached out to pat her beleagured husband on the shoulder pityingly, leaving you to glance between Rinnier and Dullem for some kind of guidance in dealing with this. Dullem shrugged, which you weren't entirely surprised by, but Rinnier turning aside to hide her smirk was entirely unwarranted and you did not appreciate it.

"Ser Valen can't just keep an eye on you every day." Fen fussed back quietly, "You were probably summoned to keep you off duty and safe."

"Or-" Miska held her husband by his shoulders, staring him seriously in the eyes. "Or-" She repeated once more, "I'm going to deliberately get kidnapped to act as a double agent and help lead everyone to the creeps trying to stop us and root out corruption from this town's mysterious underground criminal network."

"Miska please, you don't know what a criminal underground is!"

"And neither do you, but soon, I will!" She turned to smile almost blindingly at you. "Right, feyliege?"

...

>?
Can you imagine if I put that Forgetting at the end of all of this?
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We can probably bully the Demihumans into admitting their betrayal by simply threatening to summon another shade apparition.

I mean, it drove many of them to suicide, that had to leave scars on the survivors. Echoes of guilt we can trigger.

Maybe we can ever do a carrot and stick deal, if Dryad apparitions can give them Mana MDMA the way Shade gave them guilt.

Or we can just accuse them. They know they betrayed us, we know, and nobody else likes them and would take us at our word if we accused them.

Kara might be a problem, but Raid would tell her what we told him to if it meant saving his own skin and that would be enough to convince her.

Anyways, Miska is nuts. She would have no way of getting word out or escaping.

More reasonable to have her carry Oakenrue in staff form then have the apparition transform and capture whoever tries to kidnap her for interrogation.
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Idea: we impersonate Miska with diary and get napped
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Also I think that no matter what, we shouldn't involve demihumans (at least outside Kara) because it would be bad for our image
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>>3819252
This is an excellent time to find out my quest-ripping script is broken because of CORS.
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>>3819252
I have no idea if this is it, but in the Atelier we've seen some iconography that suggests Ice Queen's brother was acquainted with the concept of the Goddess, so it's not a stretch to think he was connected to Artemis in some way. And now his descendant might be connected to Artemis too.

The brother also was a Jinn Adept, so maybe there are records in the local Shrine?
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>>3819258
>So the plan: pretend we're the Wisp Adept, call Marcus for a meeting using the branch and grab him.
Using Ari or Miska as bait won't work, we ourselves convinced Marcus to wait on this.
Also we have to act before the paladin reaches Carona.
Once we grab Marcus, we can take our time rooting out his people. For example, by impersonating him and talking with that Erika.
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Before we do anything with the demis we need to have a chat with Kara. Remember when we swore to be more trusting and rely on our allies? We gave her a second chance and at the first sign we instantly suspect her when we explicitly forgave and decided to trust her? That aside, I am certain that if we do anything to her pack without going through her she is going to either flip or disappear.

She is the pack leader, WE gave her that position. We are NOT going to reinforce (or regain) her loyalty by undermining her authority. She may be a submissive, retarded potato but she's still our testament. Plus the pack will just use this against her and us when they realize she was out of the loop.

>>3819267
Simple, either they confess or point out those who are guilty or we hang the lot of them.

>>3819258
"Miska, you're nuts."

We should keep Miska on her regular duties but shuffle around some people so that she's always got an escort of 3-4 people and have a pair shadowing them who can report to the others immediately if something happens.

I don't have time to delve into the archives for the forgetting, sorry
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Wait a minute. I was gonna support impersonating the adept again but would the body's injuries be gone now? Was this clarified?
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>>3819496
It'll copy the body we imagine, so as long as we aren't thinking about a dead body it should be okay
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>>3819523
OK thanks

>>3819258
>Pretend we're the wisp adept and lure Marcus into a trap
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>>3819257
>"That's great! Glad we could help, Ser Val-" Miska cleared her throat, subtly kicking his foot in the process... And bringing a look of deeply seated patience over the barrel chested man's face as he corrected himself. "Feyliege."
pfft. I thought that was an internal name Gehr had leaked to us.

Can you imagine if I put that Forgetting at the end of all of this?
>pic related

>"This is the second time you've brought her up." Rinnier cut in, "Why Ari? She's not a fighter. Normally you'd be trying to keep her out of this."
Who knows Rinner? The only reason the thing listens to her is because we told it to.

>"Even if the demihumans are traitors, we may be able to include them in our plans anyway."
>"Well if they're traitors then they're expendable."
>"That's not only more casualties, it's potentially a failed operation altogether."
>"And it's proof of which ones were working against you in the first place."
That's cool and all, but a failed op still means not removing other infiltrators. We'd just end up trading learning about demihuman traitors for losing the human infiltrators. And where would those extra casualties come from?

>What do you plan to do with the ones who are working against you, anyway?
This is an unfortunate concern. She's right here. Options are thin, and anything not justifiable as combat deaths will have Kara to deal with.

>we're probably gonna do super cool knight stuff now!"
We really need to get them some sort of martial training.

>?
>I'm going to deliberately get kidnapped to act as a double agent
If I thought they'd let you keep a walking stick during the kidnapping, I'd say go ahead and give her AspenRue. As it is though, I doubt it, especially if they connect it to "that stick Ari always has".
Disguising ourselves to be taken in her place is no better. Worse, in fact, as the only reason they were going to take her is because Rue and Rinner are too hard to take. And as we just (re)discovered, Rue has no combat ability whatsoever. What are we going to do once taken? Rot in a cell? Be tortured?
Plus, that would require Rue to be bubbly. Truly, a herculean task.

>>3819304
>The brother also was a Jinn Adept, so maybe there are records in the local Shrine?
He was favored, but not an adept. That was the whole point of the Ice Queen's Altier. If he had been officially recognized, he would have been taken.

>>3819496
We can test this to a lesser degree by changing into, say Rinner, giving ourselves a shallow cut, changing back to Rue, then changing again to Rinner and seeing if the cut persists.

>>3819252
>Am I forgetting something...? (Write-in)
Not the faintest idea. Asche herself didn't know where she was going or who she was looking for.
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>>3819496
>We can test this to a lesser degree by changing into, say Rinner, giving ourselves a shallow cut, changing back to Rue, then changing again to Rinner and seeing if the cut persists.
We don't have to. Rinnier already turned into a younger version of herself and back again, we can just turn into the paladin from before he got wrecked.
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>>3819768
The idea is to test for persistence of wounds. It's quick and easy, and if they do persist for some reason we'd be shifting into a dead man, without Dryad to keep us alive this time. Better to make sure.
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>>3819796
I'm not comfortable with doubling up our diary usage on testing persistence (which Rinnier has already helpfully tested for us). If you really must test it then how about asking Rinnier or Ari to try it for us?
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>>3819796
>>3820012
Ya'll're too paranoid.
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>>3820039
Just to be clear I think it's a non issue. If Rinnier can turn into herself from before she had fat fucking tits then we can turn into a version of the paladin from before he was wounded. I'm just throwing a compromise out there that'll make us both happy in case no one agreed with my conclusion.
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>>3819252
>Am I forgetting something...? (Write-in)

The Royal Crest was in the Ice Queen's Atelier, so... any descendant would be part of the nobility.
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>>3820198
I mean, royalty.
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>>3820198
Oh hey that's right! They wouldn't just be nobility though, they'd be the former royal family, the one our ancestor originally gifted the country to.
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>>3820210
I'm having such a brainfart that I can't even remember which side we're supposedly aligned with in this war to come. That prince has thrown in with Artemis though, hasn't he?
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>>3820198
This is technically true, but irrelevant. The brother fled/banished, and as such struck from the records. Remember Rue herself stated there was no record of a son, only a daughter. It's entirely likely his descendants are entirely unaware of their lineage. And they would have no claim to the throne. That line "died out" and was replaced.
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>>3820230
Well the descendant of the Ice Queen is not the descendant of the Ice Queen's Brother.

I'm just assuming the forgetting is about the ice queen considering where it was placed and I don't see much else, unless it's about the nature of the Atlach Nacha
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>>3820215
It seems so? The peons we murdered in cold blood were working with artemis and they also claimed that they were acting under orders of the "the prince". But then again the current royal family has been enacting policies seemingly designed to fuck with artemis's ability to influence the peasants so who the fuck knows what's going on. Maybe the royal family is less united than we thought?

> I can't even remember which side we're supposedly aligned with
Irue's not on anyone's side, because no one is on her side. House Valen has also officially been very carefully neutral.
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>>3820242
I don't think the Ice Queen has a descendant; she wasn't really in the right frame of mind for that sort of thing.
In either case, the point stands though.
>What we know as the 'Royal Family' is more a title for the current crown's line of succession. In other words, it's an office to be held, rather than a bloodline. It just so happens that office can be passed down in a hereditary manner.
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>>3819252
And ask Rinnier WHO Asche made a deal with.

>>3820248
Bad choice of words, more like "who do we align the most with."

>>3820275
Yes I just got to that part. Could this mean that there is another unknown faction, the original royal line? With all this chaos about to erupt if they'd want to seize back power this is their chance.

Maybe the Prince the Artemis mooks were talking about isn't the Royal Heir but a moniker for the trueblood? Artemis seem to enjoy playing the long game, so it's plausible. Or perhaps I am just complicating things even further
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>>3820283
>"who do we align the most with."
Can't help you with that one. I don't have the foggiest what each faction wants. Something to ask our Aunt if she's still alive maybe?
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>>3820275
Yeah alright checking Asche's interlude the Atalach Nacha wants her to find the brother's descendant.
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>>3819258
Geez Miska is almost as bad as us.
>"Right, feyliege?"
Wrong.

Dullem did pretty well though, huh? He'll fall on any sword to get the job done, he'll even date a gorilla.
>Praise Dullem
>Make sure he's aware that he accomplished a difficult task in convincing her to bend her principles

Hmm, if you guys want Miska to use the abomination then maybe we should sleep with Rinnier or Ari and have them set up a web? I'm not sure if Ari would recognise our targets but Rinnier probably will, this way we could skip baiting them into slipping up (which they're already on guard for thanks to us) and just ambush the lot of them. We could also try out the razor wire again and not be useless.

>Use hearts in harmony with Rinnier or Ari, preferably Rinnier
After we're done planning of course
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Although now that I think about it Miska using the abomination wouldn't work at all, would it? We should leave it in Ari's hands and keep Miska safe. I feel bad for Fen.
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>>3820833
>Although now that I think about it Miska using the abomination wouldn't work at all, would it?
There's no reason it wouldn't. We'd have have to tell it to do what she says. That's the only reason it listens to Ari in the first place.
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>>3820946
I don't think that's true, we know for sure that Ari is beloved of dryad, but anyway it's besides the point. Even if it was only loyal to Ari because of our blessing, it listens to Ari because it understands Ari, because Ari is a dryad adept. It's that language of the mana thing again, even though it's loyal to us it wouldn't be able to understand what we say if we didn't have the bracelet. Handing it off to Miska won't work beyond a basic bodyguard scenario because she can't understand or speak to an aspiration of dryad.
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>>3820969
Maybe you're right. But with a little work I think we could make it work. Teaching bother of them a couple of gestures or sounds could work, or we could give OakenRue a simple sequence of commands, with a trigger word for moving to each new phrase. Or just give it a general directive.

Ari could control it before Dryad infected her though, which is why I believe it could work.
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>>3821120
>Teaching bother of them a couple of gestures or sounds could work, or we could give OakenRue a simple sequence of commands, with a trigger word for moving to each new phrase.
Or Ari could just command it effortlessly without us having to do anything. It sounds like you're going a long way for a short piss here, what's the point? We don't need her as a bait if Rinnier can just spin a web and tell us where the artemis agents are.

>Ari could control it before Dryad infected her though, which is why I believe it could work.
The fact that Ari could command it before awakening to her dryad affinity was supposed to be a hint to us that she had that potential in the first place, it's not something that just anyone can do.
From the list of forgettings
>35. When talking to Elly about how the sap may affect Ari in the long term, she mentioned unless Ari had some unnurtured affinity for Dryad before this, she'd be fine.
>35a. Despite this being explicitly lampshaded, anons failed to recall that Ari was reported to have startling proficiency in ordering around the oakenrue during the Carona siege, despite the fact that without the bracelet you couldn't even get it to understand you.
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>>3821143
>what's the point?
Anons seem to assume AspenRue and Ari are bound at the hip, that when we use it Ari must come along as well. Truth is, it gets along just fine without her, and as she's as bad as we are in combat, there's no point in her being there more often than not. That's not universally true, but common.

Also, as just described, with a little work Ari can be removed from the front lines entirely, by giving control of AspenRue to someone else though the suggested means. Frankly, it's so powerful that if it needs a high level of direction in combat something is badly wrong.


>was supposed to be a hint to us that she had that potential in the first place
I don't think so. She was originally tuned to Luna, which should have made a connection harder to make with something of Dryad, not easier. IIRC, it was only after her abduction by Dryad (third time?) that she switched to Dryad. Or maybe it was after AspenRue slathered her with Faedka to remove Luna. but if that worked for her, it might for for someone else. Now I wanna do some experiments...
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>>3821162
>Anons seem to assume AspenRue and Ari are bound at the hip
Ari is the only other person besides us who can command the aspiration and she can give it more complicated instructions than we can.

>and as she's as bad as we are in combat
I don't see how Miska is any better though. Besides, Ari is an adept now, that should could for something in terms of survivability at least. She isn't there to fight anyway, she's there to keep the abomination on task.

>Frankly, it's so powerful that if it needs a high level of direction in combat something is badly wrong.
Again it's the mana language thing. Apparitions and Asparitions do not understand humanity which is why we always want someone who can command it. Our abomination can't differentiate an artemis agent from a housewife so sending it out with instructions to kill all the bad guy when Miska gives the thumbs up is asking for trouble.

>I don't think so. She was originally tuned to Luna
What do you mean you don't think so? It it says it right there anon, Ari had unnurtured affinity with Dryad. The fact that we taught her to meditate to Luna doesn't change that, otherwise Riz wouldn't have made a forgetting that says Ari had unnurtured affinity for dryad.

>but if that worked for her, it might for for someone else.
If Ari's so shit in a fight then why do you want another dryad adept
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>>3821189
>Ari is the only other person besides us who can command the aspiration
Because we told it listen to her, which we can do for anyone else.
>she can give it more complicated instructions than we can.
Where are you getting that from?
>I don't see how Miska is any better though.
She's not a noodle, so that's a start.
.>Besides, Ari is an adept now
Favored, not Adept. Adept are trained. And there's no one to train her to deal with Dryad for obvious reasons. This is much of a detriment as a boon.
>If Ari's so shit in a fight then why do you want another dryad adept
Being a Favored has no negative bearing on fighting ability. I just want to break the misconception that in order to use AspenRue Ari has to tag along with it.
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Window will close soon for writing!
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>>3819252


I wonder if the forgetting is that the only entity Asche could make a deal with regarding the Ice Queen are the atalach nacha and that they are undine apparitions. And panic about what she gave up for the knowledge
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>>3819267
Ideas to bully the demihumans with your bracelet!


>>3819268
Definitely don't involve demihumans in our raids.

>>3819267
>>3819424
Skip the bullying and just straight up confront all the demihumans at once!

>>3819424
Discussing the betrayal with Kara comes first. She needs to be in on what's happening before you take action.

Consensus here seems to be to talk it over with Kara and then confront them directly. I'm going to assume you want to prioritize your efforts on Artemis however, so you're not going to be involving the demihumans in your raids! That confrontation will have to happen a little later, after all of this is handled.
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>>3819267
Hand Miska the abomination and let it capture her abductors!

>>3819268
Become Miska and get kidnapped ourselves! Surprise!

>>3819312
>>3819528
Become the Wisp adept again, arrange a meeting with Marcus to take him down.

>>3819424
>>3820810
Miska plz. We're assigning you a guard for your own good.

>>3820810
Hearts in Harmony! Efficiently using Irue's allotted naptime to bolster your efforts.


Parsing this as a preferred plan to become the bait yourself to draw out Marcus while protecting Miska. There's also some unexpected interest in extending A Spider's Web to either Ari or Rinnier?
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>>3819685
Assorted thoughts!

>>3820283
Who did Asche make a deal with for this information?

>>3820810
Praise Dullem more! Praise him even more!

Alright, let's see what I can do! I've got something planned a little later tonight so I probably won't get an update out tonight.
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Oh, and the forgetting!

>>3819304
>>3820198
>>3820210
>>3820283
You guys were really impressive and hashed out most of it and its implications all on your own. I'm proud of you guys, you did great! There's a little more to unroll, though.
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>>3821816
>This bunch of scattered ideas is a plan
We're done for.
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yo! since the valens gave the royals la'fiel and their original line died out, why don't we just revoke their Right to Rule? And then we're the
big boss. And if they don't like it, we can just revoke their Right to Live as well, i am sure Dryad will give us that right
>all hail Irue Valen, feyliege of all la'fiel
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>>3821832
We were done for the moment we punched roderick
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>>3821823
Huh, I thought for sure that was a dead end. Good job on a partial, anons.

You know, we never did figure out why the brother left in the first place. I wonder if it's related.
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>>3821816
>There's also some unexpected interest in extending A Spider's Web to either Ari or Rinnier?

Absolutely, because then we can manipulate the thread into Razor Wire Thread and have ridiculous combat potential.
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>>3822640
However, the web is addictive, and takes a long time to use, even after practice. Giving someone a limited taste of an addictive substance that they can only get through us is a terrible idea.
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That's right, I'm gonna turn Rinnier into a desperate junkie slut and you can't stop me.
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>>3822681
gasp! anon's endgame revealed!
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>>3822668
Razor web.

And Rinnier is much better about self control, and having a controller mollifies the addictive part no?

Besides I was thinking Ari.
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>>3822668
Just gonna point out Ari is ALREADY addicted to us, as well.
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>>3822740
>Razor web.
...which is a function of using the web.
>And Rinnier is much better about self control
self control has nothing to do with jonesing for another hit
>having a controller mollifies the addictive part no?
Not when the controller is more addicted that you are.
>>3822741
>She's already addicted to meth, what's a little heroin?
That's a bad thing, anon. We're trying to make her more independent, not less.
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>>3822825
>Not when the controller is more addicted that you are.
Is Irue addicted to getting other people addicted? How is this relevant?

>self control has nothing to do with jonesing for another hit
Sorry anon but that's retarded.
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>>3822828
>How is this relevant?
When Rue is in the depths of weaving, she's not in any frame of mind to be modulating anyone else's web use.
>self control has nothing to do with jonesing for another hit
Anon, self control determines what you do when you get cravings, it doesn't have anything to do with how often you get them. Subjecting anyone to them is cruel.
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>>3822838
>When Rue is in the depths of weaving, she's not in any frame of mind to be modulating anyone else's web use.
Well firstly the idea was for Rinnier to weave the web so that we don't have to, secondly the idea of controlling her use of the web is set into the rules of hearts in harmony. She can't get too heavily addicted because her access to the web only lasts a day, and on top of that Irue is barely around to indulge her even if anons did spontaneously decide to abandon Irue's well established devotion to the well being of her testament and engage in malicious drug pushing.

>Anon, self control determines what you do when you get cravings, it doesn't have anything to do with how often you get them.
Oh I see, so that's what you meant. That's not so retarded then.

>Subjecting anyone to them is cruel.
Irue experiences a come-down effect after using it but once that passes there doesn't seem to be any hardcore cravings in the long term interim between uses, it's more like MDMA than crack cocaine or fucking heroin. You're over reacting.
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>>3822862
Well, either we can use Ari and the Web or we can throw away another advantage in trying to stay alive and not destroy the world.

A little bit of web love isn't really a concern until we start to abuse it instead of use it.

Fucking hell, you all have junkie families or something?
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>>3822862
>there doesn't seem to be any hardcore cravings in the long term interim between uses
That's right anon, the A Spider's Web is harmless! You should use it more often. You could probably have solved a lot of your problems by using it first, and if you just kept a web perpetually woven who knows how far ahead you'd be by now?
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"No." You weren't convinced this backwater town had a criminal underground, much less a network for one. More importantly, however... "I brought you here to make sure you knew you were in danger, not put you in more of it. I don't plan to make you bait, a double agent, or anything of that nature." You wish you could say that the tension draining from Fen and Miska both was a positive sign, but where her husband-to-be let out a breath of relief, Miska just looked hurt and confused. "Your duties won't be changing, and with Dullem's help, I plan on shuffling some of the others to act as an escort and sentry.

Maybe that was a lot of man power being rerouted, but anything less would be a half measure. You could devote at least as much effort to looking after your knights as Artemis had to abducting Ari.

"Liege...?" Miska forced a smile, "I don't understand, I'm not going to be doing anything?"

Fen hissed her name warningly, but you gave her your answer with a shake of your head. "Once you get captured, then what? We have no way of knowing where you are, you can't communicate with us, and even if we assigned people to follow you they might still lose track of you. You'd be gone in the best case and tortured or killed at worst."

"But shouldn't that be my choice?" Miska brought a hand to her chest, stepping forward entreatingly. "We're your knights, what good are we if we can't be of use in times like these? Why- Why are we here if we can't help?!"

"Miska! They're trying to protect you!" Fen reached out to pull her back, only to have his hand shrugged off irritably.

"I didn't sign on to this to be protected!" She snapped back, "I'm a knight, I'm supposed to do the protecting! That's the whole point! Liege-" Miska turned back to you with a determined glint to her eyes. "-Please, reconsider! I can do this!"

"Can you fight?" Your red haired Testament spoke up curiously, sparing you the want of an immediate reply.

"Yes!"

"How?" Miska straightened up, turning full attention to the former princess' interrogation. "What experience do you have? What weapon would you use? Are you skilled in hand to hand?" One question slipped in after the next. Simple ones, obvious ones, and ones which chipped at Miska's hopeful front for every answer she couldn't give. When your knight's teeth began to grit, Rinnier sighed. "You're confident and enthusiastic, Miska. I know you would do this if you could, but you physically can't. You would be a liability as you are now."

"Then what am I supposed to do?!" Miska blinked back her heated stare, swiveling desperately between Dullem, Rinnier, and finally, you.
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And this, you realized, was your fault. The first crack in your knights, from someone who had thrown her all into the title presented to them and vowed to live up to it. To not give you reason to be disappointed in the life you saved. A title which she was ill prepared to live up to; Which enthusiasm and pluck alone couldn't safely see her through.

And you recognized the heat in her eyes. The desperation to prove herself which built with every halting question Rinnier levelled. It was a disturbing vision into your own past, and the impassioned spats that broke out seemingly every other day between you and the flame haired Testament. The words which had cut you down and questioned your capability sounded trecherously reasonable now, and a harsh - if accurate - explanation for your own decisions.

There were skills she needed, information she should be armed with, and they were both things you could have started providing for not only her, but all of your knights before now. It had been months since they were taken under your responsibility, yet they still stood as little more than what they came to you as. Your attention had ever been elsewhere, always chasing the greater dangers and matters at hand, that so long as you found someway to set them at ease you could make notes and plans as to what you wanted to do with them when an opportunity presented itself.

You had given thought to testing them for affinity and trying to train them as Adepts with what meager knowledge you held of the process. Enough to get them started and produce a solid foundation for their own advancement. You had thought to rally together those with the aptitude and taste for combat and have them armed and trained! So that in moments like these, people like Miska would be able to stand and perform reliably.

It wasn't as if you'd ignored them. Your knights had stayed in your mind all this time, you'd made notes and plans, you knew they needed a proper direction before they could be safely included in situations like this... There'd just never been time. Never the opportunity you had hoped would come. You'd bought as much time as you could by tackling those tasks yourself, but for every difficulty you surmounted personally, more and more days slipped through your fingers.

...But at the end of the day, this was your fault. You failed them, and even the stemmying truth that you had no idea how to go about giving them what they needed didn't absolve you of that. Looking at the fire in Miska's eyes now, even saying as much felt like it would only hurt her more.

Too late to start now, but what else could you do? Your options were running thin.
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"For now I need you to cooperate and wait." You began slowly, "I understand you want to be involved, and you will be, but only after we've lured them out into a better position."

"...Alright." A begrudging acceptance accompanied by a salute bearing far less enthusiasm than Miska typically presented. Not for the first time, you wondered how that trend even started. "Understood, my liege."

You didn't bother to ask if understanding equated to satisfaction, but this was for the best. You'd make it up to her as soon as you could. Her, and the other knights like her. "To that end, Dullem-" Your attention swapped back to the knight captain, "-Starting with Miska, I need you to provide me a list of people with the greatest aptitude and experience in fighting. People who can wield a weapon and stomach-"

"Conflict, right. I uh, actually I should have it around here somewhere..." Dullem rumbled, snapping his fingers in sudden realization as he pawed around his pockets. "You asked for this just before you left, Ser Valen. List's already put together!"

Taking the crumpled paper in hand, you barely withheld a tired snort upon seeing Miska's name quite literally written at the top of it. Of course it would be, she'd been at the dinner when you made the announcement. "Excellent job, Dullem." You folded the paper neatly, handing it back with an inkling of a smile despite yourself. "...In fact, you've done everything I've asked of you fantastically. I honestly hadn't expected you to get the Gnome Dominion's cooperation when I left, but you've really surprised me."

"Ah, that." The larger man rubbed at the back of his neck bashfully, finding a point anywhere else in the room to avert his eyes as he stumbled over his words. "I mean, it wasn't that hard. Penny's a sweet lass when you get t'know her."

You would describe that woman as many things and sweet wasn't one of them... But apparently Roderick had been well liked as well, and you could only remember the man as an insufferable prick. Perhaps your compatibility with Gnome favored was just the worst.

"Never the less, you've been impressive lately. Job well done, knight captain." Your smile strained catching Miska's simmering dark mood, barely keeping her pout in check, out of the corner of your eye. "That's all for now. If you'll get the people on that list in touch and arrange a guard detail for Miska, I'll handle the other preparations myself. And, remember-" You took a moment to impress this on both Dullem and your now sulking knight, "-It is vital that this be handled discretely. If they realize we're wise to their plans, we lose our advantage."

"Got it."
"Understood."
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Two salutes of varying enthusiasm were sent your way, with Miska leading the way out of your meeting. Fen lingered at the threshold, watching his fiancee move down the hall before turning back and offering you the most apologetic, heartfelt smile you'd seen anyone wear. "Please don't think badly of Miska for this, Ser Valen. thank you."

You nodded briefly, dismissing him to slip away and let the door click shut and muffle his retreating footsteps as he dashed to catch up with Miska. With the impromptu meeting concluded, you let out a breath you'd not realized you were holding and sunk back into the couch under your blanket. "Was that the right thing to do?"

"It's what you chose to do." Rinnier provided neutrally, "You've changed."

"Is that good or bad?" You roll your neck around to face your Testament as she moved to prepare a familiarly sour scented pitcher.

"It's an observation. Back then you argued something different. Tea?"

"Back when?" There was a lot of whens to go back to at this point, and narrowing it down to arguments with Rinnier didn't help at all. You did accept the wooden mug though, nose curling at the offensively lemon aroma.

"When we were deciding what to do with your knights." Rinnier reminisced nostalgically, sipping from her own cup without so much as a flinch. "Your cousin advocated siding with them and starting a civil war. I believed it is sometimes the responsibility of the ruler to do what is best for the people, while you... What was it you said?" She trailed off, crimson eyes glinting teasingly in the silence when you frowned at her to continue. "Ah, yes: If they never find out the path was straight, they'll always believe it was their choices which brought them there... Or something of that nature."

"Choice is important." You defended tiredly, wrapping your hands around the mug. "But if Miska had her way, she'd have been in danger and we'd have gained nothing for it."

"Remind you of anyone?"

"I got results." You retort unamusedly. "That's why you stuck with me, wasn't it?"

"You stressed me out is what you did." The red head corrected, hiding a grin behind her mug. "Every new hairbrained plot you came up with that had you barreling head long into a bandit camp, or jumping into Ateliers when no one was looking. All it would have taken was one screw up."

"All the more reason I'm not letting Miska have her way and become bait. I risked myself because I had to, and because those were my problems... She's risking herself because-" You floundered for a reason, coming with nothing. "-She's nuts, I guess."

"Because she's trying to live up to a title she doesn't feel ready for?" Rinnier suggested in a far too innocent manner, and rather than humour it you took a sip and scowled ungratefully in her general direction. Moments later, the overwhelmingly sour liquid caused the rest of your face to shrivel up even further.
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"So what," You began with your tongue sticking out slightly, "Are you saying I should have let her try it?"

"No. I think you did the right thing." The flame haired Testament gestured you aside, sliding onto the sole remaining space on the couch as she settled back with her unholy lemon concoction. "But it wasn't how I thought you'd handle it."

Your noncommital grun reverberates in the mug.

"You're going to try and handle this yourself again, aren't you?" Rinnier continued after a minute. You grunt again, more resigned than anything at this point. "After all the reasons you just told me she couldn't?"

"It's my problem." You mutter.

"I haven't been investigating someone else's problem for the past couple weeks." She sniffed, "And Dullem hasn't been arguing with the council all this time on account of someone else's problem, either."

You buried your face in the mug. "Ari, did you want to get involved?"

"Sure?" The stringy haired girl blinked, evidently taken aback that she'd suddenly been included in the conversation. "What should I do, master?"

"Not call me master for one." You grumble, "How are you doing with your meditation?"

"Everytime I feel like I'm making progress, something slips and I'm back to the start." Ari admitted with no small tinge of frustration coloring her soft voice. "Feels like I'm missing something, I'm sorry."

Any progress at all was better than you'd ever managed. You proffered a wry smile to reassure her. "Are you still confident in coordinating with the walking stick I left you?"

"Yes!" She beamed brightly, shifting said flesh covered stick up to be more prominent. "Talking with it's gotten much easier, and it's been more energetic today too!"

Yeah. You imagine it had. "If you think you can direct it at range, I might have a task for you then." You reach out and brush her hair back, finding it significantly less oily than it actually looked. "I don't want to put you in harm's way though, so if you can't then I'll try and handle it myself."

"I can do it." She tucked her chin down, looking up at you confidently through her lashes. "Leave it to me, master!"

Your smile dropped, poking her in the temple harder than strictly necessary. "Stop calling me that, we talked about this."

"By all means." Rinnier offered unwanted commentary from behind, "Irue'd probably prefer feyliege."

"Shut up, Rinny-" She smacked the back of your head without warning, splashing droplets of warm lemon concentrate into your face as you jumped.

"We talked about that." She echoed bemused, meeting your irritated glare with a cool stare of her own. "Now, what's your plan for Artemis? I'm assuming you already have one."
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"The way I got information about them in the first place," You began with one final glower, "Was by using the Diary of Reflection to become the paladin and contact Marcus. If I did that again, I might be able to lure him into a meeting here in Carona."

"Saving us the time of finding him and cutting off the head of the snake." Rinnier mused appraisingly, "If it works. From there I presume a surprise attack immediately with all our resources?"

"If Ari can direct the Aspiration, that may be all we need... Otherwise, having more knights on hand wouldn't hurt. Just in case."

"No demihumans?" She prompted curiously.

"No. Not until I've spoken with Kara and addressed their allegiances." You sigh, tucking back a strand of your own hair as it slipped past your ear. You'd need to readjust your hairband soon. "...This operation can't fail. If there's even a chance that involving them will spoil it, I can't trade discerning their loyalty for letting Marcus escape."

"Because it'll only work once." Rinnier closed her eyes and hummed. "Do you think talking to your pet will be enough, or do you have another plan?"

"I'm just going to confront them all." You admit, fingertips running habitually across your bracelet. "I've handled their pack when it was stronger on my own before. If push comes to shove, I'll just do it again."

"I see..." The former princess kept the rest of her thoughts to herself, choosing instead to sip the diabolical brew from her mug.

The silence stretched on, with you only mildly uncomfortably sandwiched on the stuffed couch with Rinnier's lemon thing to nurse on. It was quiet, in the way your house and library had often been quiet. It was hard to keep your lips from quirking up into the ghost of a smile, even with recent events still weighing heavily on your mind... Maybe if they weren't, it wouldn't have just been a ghost.

"...Did Asche say who she made a deal with?" You finally broached, still too unsettled by her absence to fully relax.

"No. She was pretty tight lipped about that." Rinnier groaned, curling the ends of her hair around a finger fruitlessly as she relaxed. "About your plan, though-" The curled hair slipped from her fingers and she shifted to face you. "Between the relic and the Aspiration you're bringing a lot of heavy weaponry into this, but it's still mostly you on the line."

"It has to be me. I'm the only one who can impersonate the paladin well enough."

"I still don't like leaving you in the eye of the storm when all of this goes down. You need to start being more conscientious of your well being - What if you die? Where does that leave the rest of us?"

Your eyes unfocus briefly, lost in the tea's still, dark surface.

>Actually... (Ask Rinnier or Ari about Hearts in Harmony!)
>It's better this way, you'll be fine.
>Talk about something else (what?)
>Other? (write-in)
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>>3823723
We've already died and things are still OK!
>Tell Rinnier about Hearts in Harmony
>Talk about something else (what?)
Ask if there are any news or happenings we missed
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>>3823723
>We can teleport away if there's immediate danger. I just don't remember if Ari and Rinnier know. Also, the diary lets us heal injuries immediately, so as long as we aren't OHK'd we'll be okay.
>Also we have a lifelink ability, so we can link our life to someone who'll remain in safety
The question is, is this permanent? Riz?
>Lastly, there might be no reason for us to even arrive to the meeting. We just need to call Marcus to the place of an ambush.
>Also, I think we should bring Kara along, not only for more combat power, but also to show her we trust her personally.
If later, when we talk about the demihumans' treachery, she thinks we didn't take her because we didn't trust her, that could be really bad for our relationship

Also results of the Forgetting when?
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>>3823723
>Tell Rinnier about Hearts in Harmony
>I don't think I can die anymore.

>Once Marcus and artemis are dealt with no one will run interference all the fucking time, and we can finally settle our knights into a training and patrolling regime and stamp out all the burning fires

>Ask Rinnier if she wants to pick up her own stick and help in the fighting.

>Oakenbear resurgence

>Faedka, poison and that Marcus probably bought a huge stash.

>Tell her how we fucked the pack up with a spiders web and ask if she wants to drive or ride shotgun.

>Confer with her on a plan to go to the main house to grab a few household knights and bags of gold while aunty is away

Damn i had a great idea but it flew away while i was writing
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>>3823827
>Also results of the Forgetting when?
...Goddammit.
I forgot.
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>>3823833
We waited for two days and that's all you have to say?
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>>3823827
Yeah I'm fully behind Kara. I don't believe she's involved and we can't send bad signals to her
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>>3823835
There was a lot of other things to write! I'll get it next time!
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>>3823827
>Lifelink
Before I go to sleep I'll address this. The ability can only be initiated either when Irue is dying, or when someone around Irue is dying, and it will link their lives together.

After that point, if either Irue or the linked person dies, they'll both die. It can only be used once, and it will only affect one other person.It is permanent once used.
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>>3823838
the greater the wait the greater the reward!
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>>3823838
I've wanted to know where this gif is from for a long time.
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>>3823723
>>It's better this way, you'll be fine.
Legally, you are me, and you manage this place well enough. You'll be fine.
>Do not talk about Hearts In Harmony
We've been over this. The web is addictive, and we're the only way they can get it.
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>>3824007
You think they'll have a bad trip and become like meth addicts from just hearing about it.
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>>3823723
It's great that we got the potential combat Knights, but we still have the same problem we've always had. We don't have anyone to train them, or any straightforward way to get someone.

>something else
Mention something about posting watchman in about a week or so to watch for Raid, Marchovic and new OakenRue. We already told them about Mim and Gehr.

>Lifelink
That's a nope from me. Constantly fretting about someone else's wellbeing would suck.

>Asking about Hearts in Harmony
Do not do this. Using the web takes a long time, giving its addicting tendencies time to gain a solid foothold. It will cause trouble sooner or later.
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>>3824040
We are Judy going to Talk about it. Talk.
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Just*. God I hate phoneposting
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It could be a great bonding experience!
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>>3823723
>Ask Rinnier about hearts in harmony.
Rinnier knows the faces of the important people so giving her the web is the most effective way of ensuring we get all of them, this also lightens Irue's burden which is specifically what Rinnier is asking us for right now. Artemis is too dangerous an enemy to hold back now.

>>3823838
You're forgetting something else too! Would you like a hint?
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>>3823723
Actually fuck the hint, I'll just post it
> "How are you doing with your meditation?"

>"Everytime I feel like I'm making progress, something slips and I'm back to the start." Ari admitted with no small tinge of frustration coloring her soft voice. "Feels like I'm missing something, I'm sorry."

Isn't this breaking our promise of secrecy to Ari? Or did Rinnier not hear that for some reason?

Actually, now that the subject has been raised, Asche never got around to passing on our message to stop meditating.
>Tell Ari she's meditated enough, she clearly has met with some level of success and that's enough for us, pushing things too far will 'cause problems for both of us
Don't let Rinnier overhear us, I guess.
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>>3823723
>"I still don't like leaving you in the eye of the storm when all of this goes down. You need to start being more conscientious of your well being - What if you die? Where does that leave the rest of us?"

lol okay you can do it then

>>Actually... (Ask Rinnier or Ari about Hearts in Harmony!)
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>>3823723
>Talk about something else (what?)
We told them about what we learned, but has anything notable happened while we were gone? At least on the general scope?
Don't forget to praise Rinner too. She does a better job managing this place than we ever could.
Obliquely mention old OakenRue will be getting a sister. Pay attention to Rinner's reaction.
Brainstorm about options for what to do about the demihumans. They need to be tested and dealt with, but I don't know how to go about that in a way that doesn't jeopardize other assets.

Don't mention Hearts in Harmony. Ari already knows about it and Rue still has some secrets from Rinner 'Hearts' might reveal. Plus the addiction thing.
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>>3823831
>>3823723
Supporting all this.

>>3822939
Is me
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>>3823831
We already know that's only true in Dryad's direct domain.
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>>3825110
Meant to quote
>I don't think I can die anymore.
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>>3823749
>>3823831
>>3824318
>>3824500
>>3825097
Broach Hearts in Harmony with Rinnier!

>>3824007
>>3824040
>>3824538
Hearts in Harmony must be kept secret!

It looks like you want to try and pull Rinnier into this!
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>>3823827
>>3824500
Talk about ways we can remove ourself from danger!

>>3824007
It'll be fine. Worst case scenario I die and it's your quest, right? Haha, no, it's Caylen Quest!

Seems like we're at least a little receptive to not being suicidal?
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>>3823749
We've been gone about a week. Have we missed anything?

>>3823827
>>3823837
Kara is definitely gonna be part of this! We trust her, even if we don't trust her pack!

>>3823831
>>3824040
>>3825097
>>3824538
Talk about what to do from here on. With Marcus out of the picture, won't we finally have time to focus on other things?

And finally, note to remember the Forgetting this time. Definitely remember it this time.
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>>3824370
>Promise with Ari
This has been relevant all of twice since you made it, and I have fucked it up both times. You're right though, should have been saved for a private conversation! Striking it from the record for now.

>>3823896
Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo! I'd call it cute, and it is, but it's a romantic comedy more in the vein of Toradora where the layers do eventually peel back and it gets heavy. Might make you cry a little, but very enjoyable experience overall.

So I've gotten approximately 5 hours of sleep, we'll see how this goes. watch me omit the Forgetting again.
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"I can get away if I have to. And as long as I don't die immediately, the Diary of Reflections should handle the rest."

"You say that as if you've tried it." Rinnier chuckled darkly. Several uncomfortably quiet seconds later, you found a spot on the floor to investigate while her narrowed crimson eyes bore into you. "Irue, what did you do?"

"Woke up Dryad..."

"Right..." She prodded you expectantly.

"...By dying." You waited for the outburst. When none was forthcoming, you chanced to look back and found your Testament cradling her head in one hand. "It's okay-" You hastened to try and salvage the mood. "-I got better!"

"Got better." She echoed incredulously. "Got- Irue, no one gets better after they die!"

"It's complicated. I died inside of the fae forest and Dryad wouldn't... Let it take, I guess. I don't really understand what happened." But you remembered what happened. You couldn't forget dying if you tried. The slow dissolution of everything you were, the endless void blotting out all thought and sense. "But then I was alive again, and using the Diary of Reflection to revert to my body removed all my injuries. If I used it like you did to become a previous version of myself, I should be able to survive anything that doesn't... Outright... Rinnier?"

You trailed off as the couch cushion shifted back up, following the red haired Testament's path across the room. One heavy draught later saw her mug was emptied just before slamming down onto the desk with a flinch inducing clatter.

"This-" Tresses of crimson hair spilled forward as she planted her hands on the desk. "This is what I was worried about."

"Rinnier, I'm fine-"

"You're lucky!" She hissed through your protestation. "And that luck is going to run out, leaving the rest of us where?" Her hair parted, giving a glimpse of the baleful glare beneath. "Did you just bet your life hoping some obscure Mana would be able to keep you alive if all else failed?"

"I didn't bet my life, alright?" You snap, "Marchovic was supposed to be handling the Wisp adept and he let him go, thinking I could handle him!"

"....Why?!" Rinnier's hands trembled, searching in vain for some gesture to convey her frustrations.

"I have a scar... Or something." You began to mutter some abridged explanation of your condition, but stopped. It didn't really matter. "Look, your family made a pact with a Mana and got divinely mandated rulership for generations. Mine made a pact with a Mana and I got to cheat death as a teddy bear. That's good, isn't it?!"

"No... Yes..." She sighed, "It's good that you're alive. It's not good that the first thing you've suggested after dying is to put yourself in danger again. Do you-" She took a breath, affixing a troubled stare to you. "Do you not value yourself at all?"
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Your mouth opened to retort, but confusion swept the words from your tongue. She wasn't yelling at you anymore, this wasn't an accusation, and above all else... You just didn't know how to answer.

"It's amazing that the Diary can help you shrug off injuries like that." She continued softly, "Miraculous. I'd expect nothing less from a Relic, but, Irue..." Rinnier stepped back towards you, forcing you to tilt your head up to keep eye contact. "Are you listening to yourself? How I used it?"

"Yeah...? When you were using it to become younger. It's the same principle-"

"It scared you enough to see me doing it that you asked for the Relic back, and made me promise never to try it again." She drove home forcefully. "You were stumbling over your own words trying to convince me how dangerous the effects might be to misuse it, and now you're telling me not to worry if you get hurt because you can just do the exact thing you didn't want anyone doing?"

"It's not my first resort. I'm just saying, if it comes up..." Your babbling excuses fell off as the taller woman laid her hands on either side of your face. A gesture that would have been more intimate if it didn't feel like she was trying to squish your head like a grape.

"Irue." She began with the sort of gentleness that sent a quiver down your spine. "The only reason I am not strangling you right now is because I am equally terrified that doing so would either kill you, or somehow not kill you."

"...I'm shorry." You mumble out through smooshed cheeks a moment later, rubbing your jawline after she'd released you. "I don't think I'm immortal out here, if it helps. It's too far from Dryad."

"It doesn't help." Rinnier sighed. "What do I have to do to keep you from doing things like this?"

"I didn't plan for it to be that dangerous."

"If I get a report from the knight who went with you on what happened, am I going to be mad at you?"

While you'd not shared the specifics of your plan with Gehr, you imagine the event summary would amount to something resembling 'we were all sent home after being told the feyliege would handle it personally'. Somehow, you felt the context behind those decisions wouldn't actually change Rinnier's evaluation of them.

"Look, what do you want me to do?" You cede the point in defeat, "I can't just arm my knights with a Relic and leave it to them, and the only way I can share any of these weird Atelier privileges is by sleeping with someone. I don't have a lot of options, it's either something I do or it doesn't get done."

"...Wait, what?"

"I'm working with what I've got-"

"No, not that." She waves her hand dismissively, "You can grant someone abilities by sleeping with them?"
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"Yeah?" You look up miserably, "There has to be some form of mutual trust, and it gets... Awkward. I think the privileges are a side effect, because there's this whole shared dream-memory thing, and then you can sort of feel what the other person is feeling- I did it once with Ari by accident."

"I didn't mind."

"So all this time," Ari's weak interjection went soundly ignored as Rinnier haltingly continued, "All those things you said only you could do... Could have been done by anyone else?"

"...I don't want to sleep with 'anyone else'." Your refusal is flat and immediate. It was rude enough to get a glimpse into Ari's past and feelings, the idea of just idly letting people peer into yours was repulsive. Setting aside how close you kept your own privacy, there were secrets you had that you absolutely couldn't let slip.

"Fine, someone you trust then. What about Dullem?"

"What? No!"

You stammer out a second refusal almost as quick as first. Dullem was nervous enough around you as it was, you doubted he'd be getting any sleep even if you tried. Which you had all of nil motivation to, considering he'd only just started to grow into his current responsibilities, much less being handed Aeonic powers with addictive natures.

"Ugh... If your maid was still here we could have just done that." Rinnier groaned. "Salamander knows she wouldn't have objected."

"I'm fine with it." Ari murmured.

"Well she's not. After all this Artemis business is over I'm going to have to drag her back, though. Somewhere between actually doing something about my knights and stamping out the rest of the fires around here."

"And investigating the Tiers?" Rinnier reminded you pointedly. "The Behemoth won't stay asleep forever, we need to think of how we're going to handle it permanently before it wakes up."

"Yeah, that too..." You close your eyes to ease the strain, buying precious moments before the throbbing in your temple became a full blown headache.
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"I contacted the man who was originally sedating it to make a stronger dosage to keep it under a little longer." Rinnier noted idly, "He's doubtful it'll keep working, but it's something."

"Oh..." You let that roll around in your head. "Thank you."

"Mhmm."

"No, I mean it." You sit up carefully, hugging your knees to your chest. "You've kept everything running while I'm gone... And you already had the groundwork laid for this Artemis thing before I even got back."

"That was a coincidence. We followed different trails and came up on the same rat nest."

"I guess." You allowed, "But... I was still really impressed. Like when Dullem just had that list for me."

"You asked for that list." She reminded you amusedly.

"But I didn't expect him to have it." You admit softly. "I'm doing everything I can to make this work, but a lot of times it feels like I'm doing it alone. Especially during the Rite; If I didn't prove I could handle it myself, I thought it'd all slip away."

"That was months ago." Rinnier murmured.

"I'm still having to prove myself." You disagree petulantly. "Like you said, I'm always going to have to prove myself to someone, so nothing's really changed."

"Is that why you keep taking things on by yourself?" She blinked, an inkling of comprehension seeming to dawn in her eyes.

You shrug wordlessly, lacking an explanation worth giving. Not that you had one to give in the first place. Trying felt like it would exhaust you, anyway. "I've left everything to you and Dullem, mostly you, and just assumed it would be handled." You try to steer the subject back to earlier. "...But in some ways I think I still felt like nothing was going to get resolved if I didn't handle it personally. Like people were all just waiting for me to step in and prove I was capable of doing-" You gestured weakly, "-Whatever. Coming home this time, it struck me just how much you do."

"..." Rinnier let out a patient breath, keeping her peace while you stewed away in your thoughts.

"I'm used to relying on Asche to get things done. She handled everything for ten years, so I just got used to assuming if I needed something, she'd have it done." You were babbling now, chaining together cooped out thoughts one after another as the lemon tea warmed your palms through the wooden mug's surface. "She was my support. For a really long time, we were all each other had... And ever since the Rite, it feels like we've done nothing but drift apart. And today, it should have been her handing me that list, or reporting on Marcus, and it wasn't. She's not- She's not here."

Your voice cracked, necessitating a moment to pull yourself back together as you curled into the blanket you'd woken to before continuing. "I didn't... Really realize how much I had started depending on all of you." You swallow thickly, heaving a shuddering breath before tucking your chin into the bundled blanket fuzz around your arms. "Thank you."
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"Are you going to be like this every time you come back?" Rinnier extracted the mug from your hands delicately.

"I've had a very bad month." You mewl tacitly, relinquishing the drink with little resistance to someone who'd actually drink it.

She brought the mug to her lips, eyes half-focused and lost in thought as she gazed across the room. "You'll have worse."

Some ugly thing between a choking sob and a laugh strangled out of your throat.

"We'll focus on what we have for now, with Marcus as our first priority." Rinnier continued evenly, "After that... We'll see how else we can divide our efforts. If necessary, I'll look into the Tier lead while you bring back Asche... Wherever she went."

"I think I know." You utter reluctantly. "I've been thinking about it since you told me who she was looking for."

"You know the descendant of an Aeon?" Your Testament blinked, setting the mug in her lap.

"No, but I probably know who does." And you really, really hated the conclusion you'd come to. "The Ice Queen was one of two siblings that were heirs to the La'Fielan royal family. The original royal family, not the one we have now."

Rinnier bore a wry smile. "Deposed royalty, then?"

"Forgotten royalty, more like. This exchange happened... Years ago. I don't know how many even know it happened these days." Luna for certain, and consequently Artemis, but outside of the Shrine? How many? "But the Wisp adept Marchovic and I went to hunt in the woods was the same one who had worked with the mayor during his rebellion. He knew that Marcus was with Artemis, but from what I could tell, he was only cooperating with Marcus as a joint venture. He and his men were loyal to someone else, a prince."

"And you think this prince is related to the descendant of the Ice Queen's bloodline?" Rinnier humoured you, crossing one leg over the other. "And not one of the current royal family's princes?"

"More likely it was one of your brothers, or a prince from East Heaven, than our crown." You shake your head slowly, feeling the bile on your tongue as you put to words the miserable knowledge you'd pieced together. "Artemis and our Crown are deadset against each other, there's no reason for them to work together... But if Artemis' goal is to instigate the civil war, then they would need decisive pieces to break the status quo."

"Like your cousin Caylen." Rinnier supplied, following your train of thought.

You nodded, already having come to terms with Caylen's involvement in the coming affairs. "Like my cousin. And if there's to be a civil war breaking out over the dissatisfaction of the current royal family, then what better figure head to rally people behind than someone with a blood claim to the original royalty?"
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"You think people would just believe that?" She turned your idea around skeptically. "That someone like that could just conveniently pop out when they were needed most?"

"Under normal circumstances, probably not." You admitted with a sigh. "But at least in some degree, I wonder if the legitimacy matters more than the excuse... Whatever the case, if Artemis is backing the prince's legitimacy, that changes things considerably; It's no longer about if they believe, but who. Publicly, Artemis has been ostracized by the Crown for endorsing free spread and cultivation of knowledge, while the Crown has done everything it can in the past ten years or so to restrict that. Between someone blessed by Luna claiming to spread truth, and a royal family with something to hide..."

"Right, the legitimacy really wouldn't matter. But if you don't trust Artemis, why are you convinced this prince is your maid's target?"

"Because I think the Crown is, too." You frowned, dredging up memories of a conversation you hadn't given as much thought as you probably should have. "The knight Dullem recommended to me told me a little about the Crown's activities. Trade restrictions, criteria on where and when people were allowed to hunt, and government issued licenses that people were required to have in order to do things. They've been slowly weaving a net through the common class for years, trying to filter, track, and identify people."

"...You think they've been trying to ferret out this prince before all of this?"

"If not the prince, then a faction inclined to support the prince." You confirm evenly. "It made no sense why the Crown would sew so much unrest among the people, fanning their resentment, just out of a sense of greed. Why leave the nobility unmolested for so long, only to start putting pressure on them now, of all times, when civil war is on almost inevitable?"

You shake your head, "I have to assume they're doing this with a reason, and the only reason I can think of is that they've judged it a necessary consequence for something else. That perhaps the original measures were in place to try and strangle the prince's faction of resources and coordination, identifying and cracking down on their movements, but something changed - The nobility got involved somehow. The risk of the nobility throwing in their side with the prince and his people became too real of a threat."

"So they decided to amputate." Rinnier mused furtively. "If things were going to get bloody either way, it was better to rip out the suspected traitors before unification and organization could take place."

"Cutting off their own arm and crippling their relationship with the nobility probably seemed a better option than all out war." You nod, "Especially if they thought that crippling could be made temporary, or mended somehow."
>Are you forgetting something...? (write-in)
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"So you think that in trying to stop a civil war, they've succeeded in guaranteeing one will happen?" Rinnier's brow furrowed. The suggestion at face value wasn't the strangest conclusion to draw, but something disturbed quivered in her voice.

"I think Artemis has always played the long game, and that they now have both this 'prince' and my cousin as figureheads to rally the people and nobility against the Crown."

"...And that means your maid is out there trying to walk face first into their hands." Your Testament concluded, finally summarizing the last sentence you hadn't been able to bring yourself to accept.

"Yeah." You nod weakly, "Yeah, it does."
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"Alright." Rinnier set aside the mostly full mug of lemon brew she'd stolen from you, easing herself from the couch. "That's enough for one night, we can talk to your aunt about this later."

"Aunt Clara?" You blink flat-footed at the sudden pivot. "Why?"

"Because you received a summons to return to the estate and meet with her while you were gone." The redhaired Testament explained briefly, "And if we're going to do something about these knights, then we may as well see what resources they can offer anyway. We'll both be going up there after this Artemis business is handled here in Carona."

"Right..." You'd been meaning to write a letter, or something of that nature for some time now... Something else had always come up. Or in the times it hadn't, perhaps you'd just found the notion of entreating your aunt for aid too intimidating. "We?"

"Yes, 'we'." Rinnier rolled her eyes, holding a hand out to pull you up from the nest of blanket you'd gradually withdrawn into. "Because every other time I let you leave Carona alone, you came back a broken, sobbing mess."

You grunted something that didn't quite qualify as denial but was indignant all the same, letting yourself be drawn onto your feet unsteadily. "What were the summons about?"

"..." A shadow of indecision flashed across your Testament's face, settling into the phantom of a smile. "I'll tell you later, for now let's get some sleep. You need it."

"Right..." You turn back, "Ari, are-"

"She's not coming." Rinnier cut you off, drawing a questioning look out of both you and her fellow Testament. "My bed is barely big enough for me, much less three people."

"But-" You gestured vaguely towards... Ari? The general direction of your room? You weren't sure anymore, and Rinnier didn't actually seem to care as she pulled you out of the office.

"She's a big girl and sleeps in your room anyway, she'll be fine. Honestly, you spoil her too much."

"But why am I-"

"Because you're not going to compromise on your stupid ideas unless someone else can do what you do." She laid out bluntly, "I told you didn't I? Rely on me more."

"O..kay?"

You spared one last glance back at Ari as you were led bewildered and uncertain down the hall, exchanging confused shrugs before the stringy haired Testament was out of sight.
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Left alone in the now empty office, Ari remained seated on the couch for several lingering moments. readjusting the flesh covered Aspiration to set in her lap, she stared out the open doorway. One minute of silence turned to two, and before long she'd braced her chin in the palm of her hand, leaning off her knee as the fingers of her unoccupied hand drummed softly against her guardian.

"I don't like this."
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>Roll 1d100, Best of three!
Pray for pleasant dreams...
You're going to need it.

Pick one from each A and B.

A.
>You are Alone.
>You are Fire.
>You are Desperate.
>You are Resolved.

B.
>You are Corrupted.
>You are Attached.
>You are Forgotten.
>You are Cold.
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Rolled 59 (1d100)

>>3825607
>You are Alone.
>You are Forgotten.
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Rolled 53 (1d100)

>>3825591
>A Forgetting resulting in a Forgetting
It keeps happening!

>>3825607
>You are Resolved.
>You are Attached.
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Rolled 75 (1d100)

>>3825607
>>You are Desperate.
>You are forgotten

Guys! I'm on vacation with no pc I can't do any archive binging to help with forgettings.

Do your best! Please
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>>3825607
>>3825595
>"Because you're not going to compromise on your stupid ideas unless someone else can do what you do." She laid out bluntly, "I told you didn't I? Rely on me more."
God fucking damn it. The one fucking thing I didn't want.
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>>3825591
>>Are you forgetting something...? (write-in)
One thought is that we took the rite to get out of a marriage with the... Royal heir? Prince guy. It must've been a play to gain an alliance with the Valens. He was also present and a judge at the end of the rite- that's going far for someone who got snubbed. He must've been there to gain our measure and see if working together was still possible. He sent letters too didn't he?

Clara should know more about him and what the royals want if she was on good enough terms to arrange a marriage. A point to discuss with her later.
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>>3825595
Son of a bitch. I really like Rinner, but she's started to really treat us like a child, and I'm getting tired of it.
>A
>fight it
>B
>fight it
Don't let her force us into this.

what happened to us? Why did we just crumble like that? I was planning on having us work through the whole "died" thing through meditation or something, but I guess that's not happening now.
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>>3825595
I think I figured out why I liked Rinner. She's pleasant when she's the one in power, when we're on the defensive or in the spotlight being grilled. Next time, we're not rolling over. If we can't stand up to her, how can we expect to stand up to anyone else?
A
>No
B
>No
Fuck this. I explicitly voted against telling her to avoid something like this, among other reasons.
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>>3825792
>Spoiler
It's not normal to react like a movie or video game protagonist to the shit we make Irue go through. We can still meditate, absolutely no reason we can't. Nothing in this scene resolved anything about that experience, I'll vote for it when there's an opportunity to
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>>3825591
>Forgetting
>You're thinking about this as Irue - but your actions carry the weight of Valen. What you do won't simply be advice, it will be the support of your house, even if minor. That name, like royalty, will lend credence and credibility to their cause, and serve as a rallying banner to other nobles
If the Crown believes they have the support of the Valens, perhaps they think they can antagonize the other nobles? I can't find anything better.

An unrelated, but possibly important tidbit:
>Our operations in Sylv being disrupted puts a hamper in things, but since you made it back... Well, as long as the slavers keep their heads down then the prince shouldn't have any need to worry.
The prince is connected to the slavers somehow.

Also, while searching I noticed an interesting thing about Maran and the Prophet: she claimed she learned Ari's name from Caylen, who was told it by the Prophet, yet later Caylen said he didn't know Ari's and Rinnier's names.
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>>3825607
>Stop
We did not go through all the trouble during the Rite to get ourselves out from under Aunt's thumb only to put ourselves under Rinner's.
Speaking of, Aunt is waiting on us, we're under no obligation to rush to her summons. So we're waiting until new OakenRue makes it back, and taking old and new with us. This is a good opportunity to bring the 'not stepping down' issue to a head, and without threat of violence we have no leverage whatsoever. realistically, we're going to have to kill her. Otherwise, she's likely to undermine us once we force her out. I'd rather keep her alive, but she's too crafty to not try and steal it back out from under us.
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>>3825869
>Slavers
More likely that the guy don't know about the slavers, possibly financing their campaign. It'll be one way to delegitimize them

>>3825890
Dude get off your murder boner, isn't it enough that her own son nearly got her killed? Spend your energy trying to gain her respect and approval instead
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>>3825607
>You are Alone.
>You are forgotten
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>>3825817
Yeah, but I was hoping we could hold it off long enough to deal with it on our own time. But working through being actually dead by meditation or just thinking about it will bring it to the forefront of our mind, which means Rinner is going to get flooded by it. Plus, having her thoughts swirling around while we're trying to work through it will make it difficult at best, impossible at worst.
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>>3825895
We don't need her respect, the position is ours by right. That was the entire point of doing the Rite. I don't like her, but she could be a great ally. Unfortunately, with the way she keeps fighting us on the secession, she will never be trustworthy. We'll always be watching her, watching for her to be trying to take back 'her' position.
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>>3825895
>Spend your energy trying to gain her respect and approval instead
She should be trying to gain our respect and approval. We are the legal head of house, and she is only a pretender.
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>>3825913
>>3825908
>Keeps fighting us
She gave us stewardship of Carona, that's it. That's all, Irue didn't put up a good counter argument and how could she?

>No I don't want to rule this city I'm going to rule the entire domain despite not having any formal training or education in ruling! I don't need to show anyone that i can do it, it's my right! I deserve it!

Irue Needs to prove herself capable of doing the job and bitching and throwing tantrums, demanding obedience, respect and the power and privilege we Damn Well Deserve and Is Ours By Right is not only infantile it is fucking stupid.

Respect is earned. Earn it. Killing and bullying your way to power is low tier villain shit. Fix Carona and work your way up.

We're going to meet them soon, we'll take money and whatever else we can and need to secure our town and position. We'll see what happens and go from there
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>>3826018
Rue does need training. It should have been provided during our childhood by the very person using it as an excuse to stay in power. But that doesn't matter. The title is ours legally. She has no right to keep it from us, and is only doing so because we refuse to do anything about it. That's how inherited titles work. There is no wiggle room here.

It's only pitching a fit if we don't do something about it, which I'm perfectly willing to do. This is not idle grumbling.

Respect doesn't have to be earned by our lessers. It should be, but she doesn't respect us, why should we respect her, especially when she is looking down on us from a stolen position of power?

We'll take the whole lot, whether she likes it or not. It doesn't matter what she thinks.
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>>3826057
Damn anon you need to chill. But I don't think it will matter in the end, you know what those Wisp adepts can do. Clara is probably on a deathbed
I'm actually concerned we might not see her before she dies
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>>3826018
Do you not understand how titles passed by bloodlines work? We are an adult of the primary branch. She is not. That's all that matters.

In case you actually aren't aware, if a king (or duke or whatever) dies, their child is declared the successor, but if they aren't an adult, an adult is appointed as regent to rule until the child is of age. When the child comes of age, the regent steps down and the child assumes full control.
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>>3826057
You're either a fucking tool or joking, but either way you should chill out. Good luck actually getting anyone to vote to murder your own family
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>>3826071
Do you not understand how respect works? Loyalty? That murdering people won't earn you either, that you need to work on people to have enough on your side to take control or just get fucking merced immediately?

Do you think a coup by Irue is actually going to succeed when most of the household don't even know her name?
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>>3826073
>Good luck actually getting anyone to vote to murder your own family
I'm flexible on that point. I'm just worried about her being too crafty for her own good. Anyone have any ideas for defanging her?
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>>3826081
So would you rather us continue to be impotent, meekly following her orders despite us having authority over her? She will never give up control willingly. She prefers being in power, and even has her own bloodline she could pass it down to. Why would she everyone it up freely?
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>>3826057
>"Why won't you respect me you lesser creatures?!"
>"I'm just back from the biggest fuckup of my life so it's time to hand over the keys to the barony or I'll tear it apart to overthrow you!"
Why are you like this?

>>3826085
Maybe if her son's knight obliterated her with wisp powers we could consider her humbled.

>>3826091
> even has her own bloodline she could pass it down to
fuckin LOL
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>>3826081
>Do you think a coup by Irue is actually going to succeed when most of the household don't even know her name?
You know why no one know us, right? It's because we were never declared the new head, or declared at all outside of this small town.

>>3826097
>"Why won't you respect me you lesser creatures?!"
>"I'm just back from the biggest fuckup of my life so it's time to hand over the keys to the barony or I'll tear it apart to overthrow you!"
That would be a stupid way to go about it. I'm not saying to break the doors down and kick her teeth in. But she is only keeping the title at them moment because we're too gunshy to do anything about it, and through force of arms. If we want to do anything but agree to whatever she asks, we have to have something to bring to the table, and our own threat of violence is all we got.

>her son's knight obliterated her with wisp powers
Are you talking about the captain of the guard? If we can talk her around, I'm all for it.

>> even has her own bloodline she could pass it down to
He's a fuckup, but he's her direct blood. Of course she'd want her direct descendants in power.
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>>3826109
>>3826091
It's like none of you read Clara's interlude. You have a fucking window into her mind, yet you keep imagining her motives and goals as you want them to be.
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>>3826118
>optional
Personally, I consider those sorts of peeks into someone else's headspace metagame-y. Read them if you like, but I don't like having any more information than the MC does.
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>>3826109
>You know why no one know us, right? It's because we were never declared the new head, or declared at all outside of this small town.

It's because we weren't supposed to be the only survivor. She was protecting Irue and Irue spent those years studying mana instead of statecraft. Clara sent tutors but it's not her fault that those lessons didn't take.

There were aristocrats, nobles and royals at the beginning and end of our rite. You have selective memory
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>>3826109
> I'm not saying to break the doors down and kick her teeth in
>we have to have something to bring to the table, and our own threat of violence is all we got.
Leaving aside the funny contradiction, have you tried talking to her for more than 5 minutes? Have you tried talking to her about this specifically at all since like the beginning of the quest?

>Are you talking about the captain of the guard? If we can talk her around, I'm all for it.
I'm not making a suggestion here, this already happened and we've been notified of it twice already, the last time being like 1 thread ago

>He's a fuckup, but he's her direct blood. Of course she'd want her direct descendants in power.
he's in open rebellion against her! his knight cut her down in cold blood and she lies dying in her estate right now, it's like you made up your mind how you felt like 50 threads ago and just ignored every piece of new information since then.

>>3826131
You can choose to just not read things if you want but it comes at the cost of not knowing what the fuck you're talking about.
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>>3826147
>Leaving aside the funny contradiction,
The threat, not the use. When both parties are aware of the others ability to do violence, it dampens their desire to use their own, or too push too hard on some elements of the conversation.

>have you tried talking to her for more than 5 minutes? Have you tried talking to her about this specifically at all since like the beginning of the quest?
We never had the chance. After the rite, we timeskipped to being in control of a ruin town, with no recourse. We've only talked to her directly during the quest around 3 times. I don't think we've talked to her in person since being assigned here, aside from that brief library visit, which was before my time.

>this already happened and we've been notified of it twice already
>his knight cut her down in cold blood and she lies dying in her estate right now,
I found the first reference in cayden's thing, but no luck on anything earlier. Does Rue actually know this?
In my defense, look at the time between threads.

>You can choose to just not read things if you want
I'm of the same mind. I'd rather lose than metagame. Nothing ruins a quest faster.
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>>3825607
>Stop this madness
Talking about it was fine, but Rinner doesn't know our full (if meager) power set or the dangers in their use. We decide who gets to use them, even if she's well meaning.
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And please try to figure out the forgetting, I'm not getting it
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>>3826347
I don't have a clue, not even where to start. these large-scale political Forgettings are stuff we've been chewing over since we learned about them. Why they'd suddenly resolve now I have no idea.
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>>3826217
>The threat, not the use
What are you backing the threat of violence with if not violence? Are you bluffing? Against Clara? If she calls you on your bluff will you just back down?
>When both parties are aware of the others ability to do violence, it dampens their desire to use their own
When has Clara ever threatened us with violence? Why would she put us in charge of her capital city during the most unstable period of the countries history if she intentionally tutored us to be retarded? If she's such an evil bitch then why not just get rid of us while we're still a nobody instead of giving us a position of power and a chance to cement our status as rightful heir? It just doesn't make any fucking sense at all.

>We never had the chance.
So no. Why bother talking it out with your family when you can threaten/try to open another front in this civil war clusterfuck?

>I'm of the same mind. I'd rather lose than metagame. Nothing ruins a quest faster.
Ok so what if I were to post this -
>You honestly had no idea how to help them, because even as a child they took after That Woman
>and if it helped keep Irue out of sight of the vultures then all the better... Was what you had thought originally.
>Irue needed to be ready to stand on their own before then, even if the only thing they'd seemed keen to do was stay at home and study Mana.
I guess you wouldn't change your mind. It would be cheating to see the actual truth of the thing you're arguing about and adjust your semi murderous opinion of our aunt.

>Does Rue actually know this?
It was in the Asche interlude, did you skip that too? I can't remember but I think that might have been the thread Riz ruled that we could metagame if we wanted but if it was too egregious we'd have to pass a forgetting to tie it all together into something that Irue knows, like with the forgetting that got us Rinnier's staff.
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>>3826347
Sorry, I'll stop arguing and reread the ice queen arc. My first thought was that maybe the person Asche is looking for is the royal cousin we met at the start of the quest he was specifically mentioned to be the cousin whoever is currently ruling so I guess that's a bust.
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>>3826362
>What are you backing the threat of violence with if not violence?
You understand MAD, yes? This is a scaled down version. It's literally as old as man.
>When has Clara ever threatened us with violence?
It is implicit in her keeping soldiers. We can't make her do anything because we have no bargaining chips, and she can have them remove us if she wants.
>Why would she put us in charge of her capital city
Easy. To "prove us incompetent". Then she can use that as justification for keeping the title.
>If she's such an evil bitch then why not just get rid of us while we're still a nobody instead of giving us a position of power and a chance to cement our status as rightful heir?
Too overt. If the heir to the powerful position you're regent for dies/disappears while under your care, who's going to be top of the suspect list?
>So no.
Correct. It's not been in the cards for a long time now, nothing we could have done about that. You are misinterpreting though. Violence is the last tool in the toolbox, but a vital one. I'm happy to start with being civil. but I want the option to force her to come back to the table if she tries to brush us off.

>It was in the Asche interlude
So no.
>Riz ruled that we could metagame if we wanted
I thoroughly disagree with that ruling, then and now. The whole point of this quest is working with incomplete information, patching disparate things together from fragments Rue has gathered over a long period. Us getting to look into someone else's head and see what they know and how they feel is cheating, plain and simple. I doubt I'll change anyone's mind on this, but I'll stick by it.
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Well that was fruitless. Sorry guys.

>>3825607
>You are Desperate.
>You are Forgotten.

It's weird that Rinnier keeps preempting the things we vote on like it isn't really Irue's choice at all. Like we voted to do hearts in harmony with Rinnier but she's the one who suggests it and Irue has no idea what's going on? Is this significant or just a weird flavour thing?
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>>3826565
At least you tried. I don't know where to even start.
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>>3826583
This offhand remark from Irue was the only thing that stood out to me. It seems too vague to be helpful but I may as well post it anyway. Maybe that one anon was right and the shrine would have records of an outcast Jinn adept, I believe there was mention of his age in one of the threads but I'm too tired to find it now.
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I'm up, but it'll be a bit before I close the window due to some other obligations. I'll browse through all this and see if there's things I can address in the meantime!

>>3825792
>what happened to us? Why did we just crumble like that?
As Irue noted, you've had an incredibly bad month. Between your first trip into Dryad's Atelier and the state it left you in, and then your recent return which left you not only briefly dead but also undid your work in that same Atelier, combined with Asche's sudden absence, Irue doesn't have a whole lot of fight left to frivolously spend. Since there's been a consistent push to confide in Rinnier for support during key moments, she's become one of roughly three cast members that Irue is willing to not put up a front for - And without that front, Irue's in bad shape.

>I was planning on having us work through the whole "died" thing through meditation or something
As someone else noted, what's happening now has no relation to working through your issues. Nor could you expect to work through everything that's happened in one night even if you tried! Your recovery on that end is going to be an ongoing thing.

Talking about things helps. It helps to have a sounding board and put to words the things you're feeling, absolutely, but no one else can work through your problems. The people around you are there to offer support, but you're always the one who has to resolve your own issues.

>>3826565
>Is this significant or just a weird flavour thing?
The latter mostly. I take your votes as "We want this to happen", and then work them through how the scene plays out while trying to keep in mind idle chatter and the characters in question. In this case what was wanted (IE: The majority vote) was to attempt Hearts in Harmony with Rinnier.

It started with Irue explaining the concept, but being reticent to use it. Rinnier saw it as an opportunity and was onboard with it being used, trying to suggest ways it could be used, but missed/overlooked reasons Irue kept refusing and drawing lines on who they would(n't) use it with. It concluded with Rinnier deciding, as she is want to do, to take it into her own hands and volunteer - Which, while confused at the sudden initiative, Irue didn't actually object to. Since this was your majority vote, Irue's tentatively fine with going along with it. The confusion and hesitation is modeled to reflect the people who voted against it, but in the end the vote to try it was what won.

There were other iterations of the scene that got scrapped in production which played out differently, but this resolution seemed to work easiest while weaving in the rest of the votes into fluid conversation. >>3824500 gave me the idea of Rinnier's suggestions pushing Irue to snap back that if she wanted it done so badly, she should do it, ending with an exasperated "Fine, let's go!". I err'd away from that in the end though, because it would have been an abrupt end and leave other votes left undone.
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>>3826631
>As someone else noted, what's happening now has no relation to working through your issues.
See
>>3825903
Not viable to even attempt during Hearts.
>one night
No, but at least if would have been something.
>Talking helps
It, as was just demonstrated, also gives an opening to be pushed around.
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That said, I'm pretty much always paying attention to you guys and trying to incorporate your general attitude and thoughts into how things go! Since there seems to be a general sentiment of wanting to take the lead in moments like these, or being dissatisfied with being led, you can generally expect that that's also something Irue's feeling and may - depending on whether it comes up again the next time it's relevant - take more proactive forms.

At the moment however, it'd probably come across more as "I'm fine with what's happening, I'm just dissatisfied with the role I took in it", since there's the implication you don't mind something similar happening again, you just want to try and take the lead next time.

Though in respect to the unexpectedly large amount of people who appeared to have not wanted to do this, I'm not sure why it's only coming up in force now. There was a vote up here >>3821816 to bring it up, and I made a point to try and make it a formal decision in >>3825175 as to whether it would actually be used (and if so, with who) so that a decision like this wouldn't be made entirely at the suggestion of one person.

At this point there's really no backing out of it, even if you regret it the next morning. Which, given your apparent thoughts on the matter, Irue probably will.
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>>3826678
>and I made a point to try and make it a formal decision in... as to whether it would actually be used
>>3824070
There appears to have been a miscommunication there.


>At this point there's really no backing out of it,
Fucking really? Can we not? We're not in bed or asleep yet.
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>>3826678
>At this point there's really no backing out of it,
Well, there went my motivation to work on the forgetting. Not like I have a great track record, but the fun's gone out of it.
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>>3825607
>Pop Rinnier in nose, run away
We're so weak, it shouldn't even hurt. Just enough to stun her.
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>>3826693
>>3826715
>>3826730
I don't understand your petulance, anons.
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Alright, obligations concluded for the night. I have an appointment tomorrow, but I think that won't bother tonight's update!

Gonna close the window here and uh... Try to parse all of this and figure out how to proceed.
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>>3827028
This, it's not like the quest is over.
Also, am I the only one who suspects samefagging? awful lot of 1 ID posts all wanting the same thing....
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>>3827028
just irritated, as what is going to happen is what I explicitly voted against. I'll get over it.
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>Top roll: 75

A.
>>3825634
>>3825897
Alone!

>>3825646
Resolved!

>>3825679
>>3826565
Desperate!
Well then... This needs a tiebreaker, otherwise I'll just roll for it in about half an hour.
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B.
>>3825634
>>3825679
>>3825897
>>3826565
Forgotten!

>>3825646
Attached!
How one sided!
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>Forgetting
Two of you were close, one closer than the other...But if close was enough, Dopplerue would still be alive. After rereading though, one of you did get it.
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>>3827097
>Awful lot of 1 ID posts
I'm really not in a position to talk since my ID changes all the time, but this got me curious and I went back to look at the ones who seemed pretty upset.

>>3825792 Rt1cry - 1
>>3825797 Muy - 74
>>3825890 Gfg - 1
>>3826245 dcd - 1
>>3826730 Dc2 - 1

While that is mildly suspicious, I generally trust you guys and don't think any of my players would actually samefag Aside from my one persistent fear that all of you are in fact one person who has stubbornly humored me all this time. I'm more apt to believe they were lurkers, or phoneposting, or their wifi changed.

Even still, we continue on as the prior vote dictated. Unlike with Ari, the end result of this vote doesn't have the permanent death of a cast member as a direct consequence so it should be fine. Probably.
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Rolled 1 (1d2)

>>3827135
1. Alone
2. Desperate
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Falling asleep was, unexpectedly, the easy part. Moments after you'd settled in, the toll of your last few days came back to claim you with a vengeance. It knocked you out fast and hard, dropping you immediately back into the abyss you'd barely managed to claw your way free from earlier; A familiar void where you could sink forever, letting every little piece of yourself dissolve away until even your own self-awareness flickered away into nothing.

You were dying. Everytime you used the web you were dying, so very briefly. You were dying again, and there was nothing here to save you - Dryad wasn't here, there wasn't a web to catch you, there was nothing.

You were dying. You were screaming, clawing, begging and pleading.

But this abyss was endless, and the nothing which it encompassed swallowed you in its nihilistic embrace.

Those screams grew distant. Your own voice, barely recognizable and far too noisy. The desperation which scrambled to find purchase only creating annoyance. Even if it was you screaming, you wished you'd stop.

Your dissolution had already begun. How many pieces of you disassociated? Broken into little scraps of who you used to be. Melting, subsuming, and falling away. Accept it.

Who are you? No one. Nothing.
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"The young princess is pitiful, isn't she?"

"Rumour has it her mother was banished for cheating on the king."

"Oh? I heard she disappeared in the night with a royal treasure."

"And left her daughter here? Really? Oh, you'll believe anything."


A girl sat on a veranda with ink and parchment in hand, repetitiously scratching characters onto the scroll's surface. Bright red hair which glinted like fire under the sweltering heat of the desert sun. And she was a girl, not even of age to begin her studies in earnest - Little more than a child, left unattended in the open air halls of the Teranford royal palace. For many it was the lightly tanned tone of her skin marked as unusual amongst the darker desert populace, but it was the crimson hue in her eyes which marked her exotic origin for those in the palace. A sharp, unmistakable indication of the bloodline she bore, and the forests she hailed from.

"There you were, daughter. You gave your watchers quite a slip." Fond as the man's voice was, the girl could be described as anything but happy to see him as she set her parchment aside to offer a formal greeting. A practiced movement, drilled and molded to textbook perfection. "Now now, no need for that. Come inside now, you know the sun is harsh on your skin. Tell me now, where did you find those things?"

That was the end of her day. The last she would see of that piece of paper. And the last day she'd see the elderly librarian who'd deigned to teach her letters.

She would experience many more 'last's before she realized why the servants of the palace no longer answered. By then however, the sandblown walls of the palace had long revealed themselves as the bars to her gilded cage.
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"His Majesty has sired another heir."

"At least we won't want for a successor."

"How many does that make now? It seems he's taken another consort every week. What happened to the last one... Oh, what was her name?"

"I didn't bother to remember."


She had grown as the years passed. Caramel skin which shone milky in comparison to the man who sat upon the throne, swathed in silken cloth and loosely hanging fineries. Any one of the number of accessories woven through her hair would purchase land in abundance from the merchants of the coastal territories, where the brine of seasalt and ocean air brought in fish and desert folk alike.

Today she stood in silence, listening to one such merchant share words with the king - Her father, and the man whose patience frayed as the day wore on. She had insisted for weeks that she be allowed to observe, and it was his grace and favor which finally granted that simple request.

So she looked on, listening rapt in awe and wonder, to the haggardly merchant's reports of a far off town whose income had suffered with an unfortunate tide. To the descriptions of a world she'd never seen, and of jobs she had scarcely considered existing. He was tired; Impassioned and resigned in equal measure to make his case. He was that girl's first glimpse into the outside world. The first face she'd ever associated with the people of Teranford.

But that man's face was a blur. Just as the one before him. And the one before him.

"Has this satisfied you, daughter?" The throne-sat man leaned heavily on one hand. "Are you not bored, standing in place for so long?"

"We could help them." She turned to her father, "Surely we have that power?"

"It isn't that simple, I'm afraid. There are steps which must be taken."

"Then take them." This princess had never been one to backdown, and sparks issued with her breath as passion laced her words.

"It is important we pick and choose our battles wisely." He sighed and heaved himself from the throne. "I am too old to help everyone."

"I'll do it, then." She held her footing as her father's gaze swept fire between them. A blaze which would darken and scorch her clothes should she draw too close; One which rippled and faltered as she stepped through it carelessly, rising to dance at her heels. "Teach me to help them!"

"I will not." The king rumbled. "It's nothing you need concern yourself with daughter."

"They are my people!"

"You have no people." He concluded strictly. "They are a chain. A trapping of the crown. One your brothers will one day suffer, but never you. You will be free to live as you please."

The scope of that girl's movement grew tighter with every new freedom she was given. Drawn from danger. Locked beyond stalwart walls. She watched each evening as the sun dipped beyond the capital horizon, with anger swollen in her chest.
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"Must be nice to be the favorite, growing like a cow in a pasture."

"You'll be left in the sands if anyone hears you say that."

"Hmph. Well it's true, isn't it? I've never once seen her speak to anyone longer than she has to. Nothing but demands since I came here. Not like the eldest prince..."

"You'll keep your lips shut if you know what's good for you. Both of them."


Without a teacher she would learn for herself. Hours becoming days, days into weeks and eventually even months bled by as the princess poured over every source she could find. She studied alone, never knowing when her father would take the time to check on her. If it was her interest, her happiness, there was little he would draw a line to prevent for long - But if it was another... If it was any other who could guide her, tell her more of the things she needed to know, then they would be gone. They would always be gone.

But she had to learn. If she was ever going to become more than a pet to be kept stashed away, she needed to become useful. In the evening hours that girl pried from the king the events of his day, hung onto every golden word of the country he oversaw and the myriad ways it floundered and flourished. It may never be her country, but it was the country she longed for.

And every day it was only getting worse. She needed more information. She wanted to see it, to walk its streets and speak to its people.

"Well, well Princess. Or should I call you my little sister?"

None of that was something she could do on her own.

"I think we could get along famously if we just spent a little more time together."

Her half-brother's words held nothing akin to familial warmth. She'd know the eldest prince by sight, but never once spoken to him. Never once been spoken to. Why now?

"Oh don't give me that look, Father is so very protective of you. Do you know how long it took me slip my men onto your guard?"

"Your... Men?"

"Of course, as crown prince it's my job to start establishing loyalties early. Speaking of early, did you know the Valen family has born an heir?"

"...Who?"

"Nobles in La'Fiel. Oh, a country to our north. Verdant, green, and much cooler than our Teranford." Honeyed words that she knew to be a trap. A sibling in name only whose relationship was a hook baited with the promise of knowledge, influence, and above all else... Freedom. "If you're studying statecraft, you should at least know the basics, little sister. But I guess Father shoos away your teachers, doesn't he? Too worried they'll put weird ideas in his little girl's head."

He would teach her. Mold her. Refine her. And she, knowing full well it wasn't the goodness of his heart which drove him, would take everything he had to give.

"Help me usurp our Father." He whispered. "Help me save our country."
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Your return to consciousness was a slow and groggy one, precipitated by the instinctual realization there was a warmer spot on the bed that you currently weren't occupying and, consequently, the blind shuffling required to claim it as your sovereign territory. You probably would have fallen right back to sleep like that too, if the rest of last night's dreams didn't slowly start to process and urge you back away from the garbled mixture of nightmare and memory.

When finally you'd cracked an eye open to the blissfully dark room, for once not finding rays of sunlight searing through your eyelids as a morning welcome, it was to the sight of Rinnier brushing her hair on the edge of the bed. You felt, rather than noticed, the moment she realized you were awake.

>Hearts Harmonized

"It's weird." She started softly. "...That's you, isn't it?"

"...I guess." You murmur from the blankets, still entirely unwilling to get up despite your fear of falling back to sleep. The bed was warm, and you curled deeper into that warmth. Exchanging little pieces of memory like that always felt... Intimate. You almost wanted to apologize for having seen it, and the uncertainty of what piece of your history she may have seen only drove you to bury your face further into the covers.

This was a bad idea. You shouldn't have done this - If you'd spoken up or taken a stand you could have avoided this whole situation and none of this would be a problem.

You were immediately starting to regret letting her take the lead last night.

"How long does... This last?"

"A day."

"Oh." She fell quiet, leaving only the muffled sound of the brush running rhythmically through her hair to focus on. After a while, even that slowed to a stop. "...Want me to brush your hair?"

>...Sure.
>No.

Also, at this point we have roughly two directions to take:
>1. End the thread with this next update.
>2. Spend the rest of the thread relaxing.

Mainly because I plan to start the next thread finalizing your plans for Marcus and getting directly into the confrontation since I'd rather not try and run the clock on getting there in this thread. While you don't necessarily need to spend it conversing with Rinnier specifically, the conversation/activities would be kept as casual as possible.

Up to you guys!
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>>3827361
>>No.
It's for your own good. No one touches our hair and lives.

>1. End the thread with this next update.
Relaxing scenes right now don't seem to be narratively appropriate.
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>>3827361
>>No.
Only asche and sis gets to do that

>Relax
Because we never get to do that
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>>3827361
>...Sure.
gotta try new things
>2. Spend the rest of the thread relaxing.
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>>3827361
>>No.
>1. End the thread with this next update.
We can't really relax with someone else in our head.
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>>3827361
>No.
Rue is very particular about her hair.
If relaxing means safely discharging Hearts in Harmony in its entirety, sure. Otherwise there's no point.
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>>3826347
Tell people about the Oakenbear apocalypse?

Make sure Mim got back alright?

Make a DryHemoth? Still a better idea than murdering our Aunt who is one of the people actually on our side even if she's terrified of us.
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>>3827361
>No
>2. Spend the rest of the thread relaxing
Spending a day using up hearts sounds like a plan to me. No idea what we're going to do though. We can't deal with our latest mental issue with someone else in our head. That would be a bad time for both of us.
Rue needs a hobby. Something portable would be great, but she needs something she can do that isn't work.
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>>3827738
>>3827584
Why the hell do you want to "use up the Hearts", anons? What's bad in it?
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>>3827738
Bake with mim and ari
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>>3827745
They're being petty about losing the vote, and want to go against all decisions we've made to rely on others and keep on playing batman until Irue dies for real
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>>3827361
>...Sure.
>2. Spend the rest of the thread relaxing.
We can finally fulfil our promise of doing something with Ari that we made at the end of the last atelier
>>3827747
Baking sounds fun but we can't let Ari and Mim be in the same room together

>>3827352
What is this? Is our foundation crumbling? Are we going to be a drooling imbecile soon?
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Drinking is a hobby
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>>3827361
> "Sure"
>2. Spend the rest of the thread relaxing.
>>3827849
Is me. I live in an acreage with intermittent cell service let alone wifi.

Let's actually trust someone. Also the person wanting to fight our Aunt is clearly a Montbrunfag samefagging and I hate them.
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>>3827929
???
You're not me.
I gotta know though, what is a montbrunfag?
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>>3827929
again with that sworn to valour thing - just call people standard fags, no need to carry made up labels between quests
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>>3827951
What is it though?
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>>3827969
I think it's someone you don't like
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>>3827361
>Ask Rinnier what she saw
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>>3827969
My understanding from a glance is that one guy really, really wanted the MC of StV to start in montbrun as a country or something similar. He failed, and proceeded to sandbag, shitpost and whine about it ever since.

I guess the Valen equivalent would be like if one really determined guy voted for Kara at the start of the quest to be your Testament, but the majority vote was Ari instead and they spent every thread since reminding people that they could/should have chosen someone else.

>>3827849
>What is this?
It's a nightmare, anon! Please enjoy your nightmare.
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>>3827747
Looks like someone Forget what happened Rue attempted cooking.
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>>3828134
Thank you Riz, I am sated.
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>>3828184
>Looks like someone Forget what happened Rue attempted cooking.
It sure does!
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>>3828134
Oh yeah, what about the forgetting?
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>>3828134
> I guess the Valen equivalent would be like if one really determined guy voted

To kill auntie?

K will stop with Montbrunfag accusations.

But I mean. Come on. Auntie is just more similar to Irulen than is comfie.
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>>3828646
You seem hung up on the killing. That was a bit of insurance, and optional. The point of that whole charade was that we need to bring Auntie to the discussion table and hash out why she's still in power, despite the official holder of the title being of age. No, "I don't think you're ready" is a legal defense.

i'm not cracking that can of worms again, just explaining the point.
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>>3828676
>is a legal defense.
*is not a legal defense
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Obligations completed for the night! However, I have consumed many vodka. Going to close the window and tally votes and address whatever I can and then uh... Pray I don't just fall asleep before finishing that update.
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>>3828676
I'm down for renegotiating with Auntie.

But it's more of a "laying our cards on the table".

She's just better at politics than making friends with the neice that's far too similar to the sister-in-law that she never felt comfortable with.

She's clearlt capable of manipulation, so it says something that she chose to push Irue and force her forward instead of comforting and continuing to insulate Irue.

She could have much more easily insulated Irue by making things *easy* and letting Irue pursue her obsessions instead of giving her Carona to take care of and learn with.

Honestly, Irue asking Auntie for help is kind of a watershed moment instead of Irue assuming she can just handle everything.

Also, I want to clarify the plan >>3819267
Where we let Miska use the Oakenrue #1 staff. She wouldn't get *kidnapped*, but when the Kidnappers attacked her that's when the Oakenrue would capture them instead. Instead of letting Miska get kidnapped.

Then if we worked fast enough, we could interrogate the kidnappers then have them reveal where they would take Miska and rinse and repeat capture > interrogate > work our way up the chain.

I feel that Irue could be intimidating enough, especially with Oakenrue behind her, to quickly work our way up the chain of command to find out who was behind the kidnapping.

Anyways, side note

> Get Auntie's authority and a combined Valen Knight force sent after the Tiers, with Valen Authority we can force the Royals to work with us whether or not they want to because it qill be too high profile to refuse and we can get the Tiers ASAP. That will also give our more insecure Knights experience as Authorities with Auntie's Forces guiding them through it.

Just gotta make it a big enough production that it can't be hidden. The Royal Family most likely doesn't want an actual civil war yet.

And we can even give them a justification for their pressuring the nobles by scapegoating the slavers, play it as them trying to flush the slavers out instead of hiding their illegitimate claim to the throne.

Buying Valen support of their claim will easily outweigh their previous plans. Realpolitek. We're suddenly all best friends.

Or we trigger a civil war where the Royals look terrible and the Nobility is pissed at them and we can make a Dryhemoth.
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>>3828676
Irue totally isn't ready, and Auntie has no idea what Irue can do.

Also, just tossing it out there, we shpuld go tame the old Shade apparition and nurse it into an Aspiration / Demi-Human beatstick.
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>>3828743
>Honestly, Irue asking Auntie for help is kind of a watershed moment instead of Irue assuming she can just handle everything.
We asked for assistance almost immediately after being stuck in town. We got the equivalent of "lol, deal with it yourself" in reply.
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>>3828765
That was a different context though, where Irue was "But I hate that place and those people".

Now Irue is saying "Hey, this is an issue that is bigger than just Carona. We have Carona on lockdown and can handle local issues, but we need to deal with a larger scope. Since we're not well known beyond Carona, we don't have time to gradually learn and reveal ourselves so instead we need to borrow your authority to negotiate with the Royals and start dealing with some apocalyptic level concerns".

Honestly, looking back at it, our Aunt making us deal with Carona as a Leige Lord was totally appropriate. The situation has changed, however.

Honestly I'm tempted to also have Irue use the bracelet to pull Luna down and be all "Dryad is back, time to figure out a plan to kiss and make up and we'll help with that but if you try to mind rape us again we'll scream for Dryad and see who survives the throw-down".

If only Mana were SANE and REASONABLE.

Also, seriously, we gotta check in on Mim.

I will go full Dryhemoth if Mim got kidnapped coming back to town or hurt in any way. Damn the torpedoes.
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>>3828776
>That was a different context though, where Irue was "But I hate that place and those people".
That was Irue's thoughts, but the request was framed more like "this town is a complete wreck and we have no money to fix it, or any way to get money".

>Also, seriously, we gotta check in on Mim.
Mim is with Gehr, several days travel out from town. Cool your jets. And we're not going anywhere until new OakenRue makes it back.
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>>3828776
>Honestly, looking back at it, our Aunt making us deal with Carona as a Leige Lord was totally appropriate.
Not even slightl-
sigh. I guess me and like one other anon are the only ones that care that regardless of her or our thoughts on Rue's readiness to lead, the law is clear. Why is beyond me, but whatever.
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>>3828765
Do you remember what thread that was in? My first guess was when we visited the estate for the library, but it wasn't brought up. I remember seeing people want to write a letter about it but I don't think we ever did it.
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>>3827394
>>3827446
>>3827555
>>3827584
>>3827738
Don't touch my hair.

>>3827493
>>3827849
>>3827929
You wouldn't... Hate that?

A line is drawn; Rinnier can be confided in, but not trusted with hair.
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>>3827394
>>3827555
>>3827584
End of thread!

>>3827446
>>3827493
>>3827849
>>3827929
Relax!

>>3827738
This is a vote for relaxing but it's done under the pretense that doing so will discharge Hearts in Harmony in its entirety, meaning spending the rest of the day doing nothing, rather than the rest of the thread. Unlike with >>3827584 , I'm not sure if your vote would decidedly change to ending the thread were this not the case, so we're at a crossroads here where either relaxing wins, or the votes are tied and I'll just flip for it.
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>>3828116
Trade dreams?

>>3828329
Conclude that Forgetting you got! I didn't forget this time, it just didn't fit in the scope of the last update.

I'll let this hang for a bit before flipping on it. Or, worse cast scenario, I'll just assume it's a tie and make an Executive Decision™.
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>>3828823
In the interest of tiebreaking, continue the thread.
>>3827555
Dunno what we can do to relax with someone in our head. Maybe we can read a book or something.
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>>3828823
Sure, ask Rinnier what she saw

>>3828184
That was all Rinniers fault

>>3827849
Mim isn't here so just Ari i guess


>>3828743
They'd how i understood the plan too. Let miska hold the staff, but perhaps she should get to practice with it first.
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Anons, while making plans to use Miska as a kidnapping bait, remember that we don't know how much time will pass until a kidnapping is attempted. Remember how we asked Marcus not to be hasty with this?
If we just sit and wait for a kidnapping, the paladin will return, Marcus will learn he spoke with an imposter and become ten times as careful. We need to strike actively and right now.
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>>3828977
We already voted not to do that, why are you worrying anon?
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Outside of Asche, there wasn't really anyone you let touch your hair. You were peculiar about that, and more than one person had become the inadvertent victim of reflexive violence for having violated that particular line of yours... So when you caught yourself actually considering the offer, it was enough to snap you free of your post-sleep malaise. "No."

Rinnier shot you a quizzical look. Her expressions had become almost transparent to you with the addition of Hearts in Harmony signaling little indications of the silent considerations going on that she often left unsaid, and with that unnecessarily informative link you knew that she'd caught wind of your initial indecision.

"Alright." She turned the brush over to you with a shrug.

It was an innocent, inanimate little thing. One which you nevertheless regarded as if it might produce a static shock when you reached for it. But that was a silly suspicion, and you murmured a bashful 'thanks' as you took it from her only to continue holding it awkwardly in hand. "So..." You weren't sure what you wanted to say. Maybe better to just broach the topic brazenly? "What did you see?"

"...Snow." It took her a minute to answer you, and when she did it was with no small degree of reticence. "A lot of snow. I'd only read about it before, but it was like a sandstorm of ice - A blizzard?"

"I-"

She held a hand up to stop you. "I didn't ask."

"What...?"

"We exchange little pieces of memory, is what you said, right?" Rinnier shook her head slowly. "I want you to understand that while I don't have anything I care to hide, there are things I don't want to talk about. I don't want to know what you saw, and... I'll trust that whatever it was, you'll keep it to yourself."

"I was going to talk about what you saw." You admitted, once again running headlong into her curious reluctance to talk about her history. At first you'd considered it a matter of keeping secrets, but if she didn't care that you knew... "I've never been in a blizzard. It doesn't snow that often in La'Fiel, and when it does it's not much." You pause, trying to wrack your mind for something more to fill in the blanks. "Did you... Learn anything else? Was I lost?"

"No. I got the feeling you knew where you were. Or... Where you were going, at least." She sighed, thoughts a flurry with enough concentration you almost felt more focused just by proximity. It was an unexpected, but not unwelcome, jolt to help wake up. Probably because of that you caught the barely murmured awe that followed. "I've never seen a storm like that..."
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And just like that it was gone. The fixation that emanated across your link was neatly tucked away as she turned a more self-satisfied smile your way. "So, what else does this thing do?"

It took a second to snap out of your reverie. "Huh?"

"You said this would share some of those weird gifts the Ateliers saddled you with. So far it's just made you easier to read; How do I access the other parts?"

Oh, right. Even after linking up with Ari, you still had to explain how to start using those privileges. It'd be a waste to come this far and not help arm Rinnier with something, but thinking over the options available made you aware of just how slim the list of actually helpful abilities were. There was a quick escape to Carona to get you out of a tight spot, but that was only good for running away. You'd still not had the heart to test out the other one, and teaching her how about linking her life seemed...

...

If it came down to it, the most readily useful ability was 'A Spider's Web'. Having it as support absolutely guaranteed you'd find your marks in time, but with someone else in possession of that privilege you were this close to being able to utilize its full potential again. In any other circumstance it would be the most obvious choice - And you would admit, if only to yourself, that it still was the most obvious choice... But that choice came with its own costs, and the notion of introducing something so glorious, so inexplicably fantastic and life changing to someone so incredibly misfortunate enough to lose access to it later seemed cruel.

Though, like a trecherous whisper, you did have a solution to that last problem...

"I'm getting a lot of mixed messages right now." Rinnier observed, bluntly reminding you that this empathic link was indeed a two-way street. "If there's something I'm going to need to practice, it's better you tell me about it now so I'm not fumbling it when it's important."

"Before that, can we talk about something else?" You shrank back with a meager attempt to buy more time to think this over.

Even before she responded you knew she wasn't buying it. She knew full well you were stalling with this... "What's on your mind?" ...And knowing she was letting you do it just made you feel even awkwarder.

"My uh... Engagement."

There you go. The sudden dispersal of patience into complete, earnest bewilderment did wonders for your mood.

"I was thinking about what we talked about last night. About how the royalty might have moved to cripple themselves rather than risk a civil war if they thought the setback would be temporary."

"Right. Reparations or the like to tide things over." She acknowledged, "What about it?"

"I think... I was the reparation."
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You'd thought this over off and on after the initial rage of your arranged engagement had passed, but it really made no sense.

If your aunt had planned to marry you off to secure House Valen for herself, why attach you to the royal family? By all rights, you'd have been marrying up in the world; Granted power, influence and reach. That was the exact worst position someone who'd just tried to screw you over would want you to be in, especially if she'd been preparing for a civil war all this time. You refused to believe your aunt was so short sighted as to throw you away into a position ripe to stab her right back.

The Crown similarly would have had to know that a member of House Valen - The heir at that - being brought into their midst wouldn't go so simply. In a war between Crown and nobility, it was painfully clear where your vested interest would lie, and if they'd thought to simply finish you off quietly then your status was far, far too high to make that viable. Even if the public remained unaware that you were the heir to House Valen, the sudden death of a member of House Valen after marriage would be political suicide. So where did that leave you?

Two thoughts came to mind. Either you were meant to be a political prisoner, exchanged to keep the Valen family leashed while the Crown continued... Or their sudden outreach to the Valen nobility was meant to be an olive branch to mollify their recent upset.

Neither of those options seemed favorable for your aunt and uncle, who had purportedly spent the last decade or so working ceaselessly to stemmy the coming civil war. If it had been the last nail in the process to consign the civil war's build up to waste then maybe it was more likely, but having stayed so carefully neutral all this time, why risk the spark of House Valen throwing its side in with the Crown when the rest of La'Fiel was practically a powderkeg ready to blow?
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"If my engagement had gone through, I don't understand how anyone but the Crown would have benefitted in the long run." You confessed, slowly picking over the prickly scab of ill feelings that had sparked your whole adventure. "But even if it were to try and mend burned bridges, they had to know that my family agreeing to it could have backfired just as badly."

"Not necessarily." Rinnier's finger tapped against her cheek. "I don't suppose you have much contact with the other nobility, though..."

"Caylen would." He was the socialite between you. "But so would aunt Clara and uncle Byrn. What are you thinking?"

"Admittedly I'd not given your circumstances much thought back when we met, but if the nobility and La'Fielan royalty are in that precarious a position, why would they risk looking like they were trying to bribe one noble family? Wouldn't that make things worse?"

"That's what I said."

"Right, and you wouldn't know if your engagement was the only one, would you?" Rinnier continued evenly. "In their position, I would have extended the same offer to every family. Favoring one neighbour is bribery; favoring all of them is peacemaking." She stopped to think. "Who were you engaged to, anyway?"

"..." You opened your mouth, closed it a second later, then bit your lip. "I... Didn't ask- Stop that!"

"I'm not laughing."

"I can feel that!" You retort as heat crept up your cheeks, "I didn't think it really mattered, okay? I wasn't going to get married anyway, I didn't care who it was. Could have been the crown prince for all I care, I wasn't having it."

"What if it was?" This time she did snicker, evidently foregoing any attempt not to let her mirth bubble up at your expense now that you'd called her out on it. "I mean, you're the heir to House Valen. Can't imagine they would risk trying to set you up with a nobody."

"I don't know if you've noticed, but I'm also a nobody as far as most people seem to be concerned." You tilt your nose up, affecting an offended sniff.

Still, she had a point. Realizing the probable cause for your engagement was a curious feeling, and not something you were really sure how to process right now... But having that as a possible answer only raised further questions.

Who had you been engaged to? You'd met with someone from the royal family, but they never made any indication they were your supposed to-be... And where did that leave your aunt and uncle's involvement in this?
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"As thrilling as it is to sit here in bed and discuss your marriage prospects..." Rinnier prodded, "We have a conspiracy to rip out by the roots still, and I need to know what I'm working with."

You guess there really wasn't any getting around it. If you weren't going to share some form of your Atelier privileges with her, why bother doing this in the first place?

The alternative explanation was one you weren't in any shape to dwell on.

>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.
>Teach her about life linking. Just in case you can't reach the Diary of Reflections in time.
>Teach her about returning to Carona. You're not sure how this will help offhand, though...
>Teach her to follow her heart. Not that you'd ever done that.
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>>3829045
>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.
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>>3829045
>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.
Rinnier knows what most of the conspirators look like, using the web will let her cut out the weakest part of the plan which is baiting marcus and his agents into revealing themselves after being convinced to exercise caution. I'm curious whether whether player one or two gets the razor wire, it'll probably be Rinnier but I hope we can both use it. That would be fun.

>Ask if there was a manor in her dream, tell her that she probably saw the ice queen's atelier
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>>3829078
>I'm curious whether whether player one or two gets the razor wire
As one anon surmised earlier, you can decide that yourself somewhat. Deciding which one of you plays which role in the web is voluntary. Once determined and the web is woven however, it's locked into place until you stop and start over.
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>>3829045
>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.
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>>3829045
>>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.
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>>3829045
>>Teach her about returning to Carona. You're not sure how this will help offhand, though...
>Don't teach about the Web
The web is dangerous and cruel.
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We should get a drink!
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>>3829350
Rue and drinking cause massive messes.
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>>3829355
There is nothing wrong with 1 (one) [uno] {ichi} drink
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>>3829045
>>Teach her about returning to Carona.
It's a shortcut for getting across town, that's all.
>No Web
The arguments have already been hashed out. It is cruel to give her a taste of it then retract it.
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>>3829358
Rue was drunk for a month straight a one point. That is not the behavior of someone that drinks in moderation. she has a serious drinking problem. Let's stay on that particular wagon.
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>>3829365
That doesn't count, it was fae shenanigans. One drink will be great to help Irue relax. Trust me anon
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>>3829045
>>Teach her about returning to Carona. You're not sure how this will help offhand, though...
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>>3829045
>>Teach her about returning to Carona. You're not sure how this will help offhand, though...
She's got airbags, she'll be fine.
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>>3829045
>Teach her about the Web. It's the most practical and potent tool you have, even more so with two.

Although really we should give her a rough rundown of life-linking vs web and let her choose which she feels would be most useful.

FIREWEB
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I am up!

>>3829059
>>3829078
>>3829088
>>3829145
Web!

>>3829321
>>3829361
>>3829699
>>3829965
Jinn calls!

Tie breaking time!
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>>3830181
Oh.
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>>3828776
This is me BTW.

>>3828793
Yeah, the thing is while it might be the letter of the law it would be retarded to actually let Irue jump into that level of politics. Irresponsible at best, lethal almost assuredly with a large amount of collateral damage.

I mean, look at what we let happen with Carona because we weren't prepared to deal with slavers and infiltrators that we already knew about.

Now make Irue able to wreck a whole nation.

Besides, what Irue wants is recognition and time to learn her job and she doesn't have enough of the second to make the first worth it.

We literally voted to learn all about Mana instead of how to be a noble amd a leader beyond some bare bones impressions and an overcompensation towards living up to impossible standards.

Like how Worf in Star Trek was actually way more honourable and rigid in his adherence to his code of behaviour than actual Klingons because he didn't actually know what they were like, having grown up among humans.

That's why it's a bad idea to actually let Irue handle the minutae of actually ruling that her Aunt is currently handling.

Hell, we can summon doom to the whole fucking world already. Mere head of a noble household is a step *down*.

And that should terrify Irue, amd every other player.
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>>3830187
Let Rinnier decide!

I like that better than Fireweb. Although ShadowRazorFireweb is FUCKING AWESOME to hink of.
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>>3830187
>>3830207
Woot! Deffo web! Yes.
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>>3830182
Why can't we do both?
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>>3830220
There's really no reason you can't do both, but since there was resistance to the idea in the first place I was going to err towards only taking one as a compromise.

But by all means, you can instruct her in how to do literally everything.
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>>3830225
Oh, I thought it was a pick and choose kinda thing. It'd be pretty dumb to go this far just to teach her how to fall 20ft into a pile of trash. Either way I don't imagine anyone who voted for web would have any problem with teacher her Jinn calls me too.
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>have any problem with teacher her
I'm going to bed now
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>>3830234
My vote was explicitly against teaching Web, but if we're doing it anyway I don't see why we can't teach her teleporting either. Maybe as revenge for forcing us into bed with her.

Also, if web is being taught, it should be liberally sprinkled with warnings about the dangers on its use, short and long term.
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>>3830225
Well. We should do all of it then yes.

>>3830270

You know that Rinnier has already seen us sink into web addiction, yes? That she knows about all that?
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>>3830270
And if we teach her teleport, maybe she will finally build a landing tower for us!
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"Alright... Which would you prefer? Something generally safe that will help you get away, or something dangerous that has more flexibility?"

"Do I have to pick one?" Rinnier blinked, "Some kind of limitation?"

"Well... No."

"Teach me both, then. The better I understand what I'm capable of, the better off we'll be."

It really wasn't that simple, but she had a point. You took a breath and began your lessons, taking special care not to accidentally trigger the ability in explanation. "Alright, we'll start with 'Jinn Calls'..."

The manifestation of the Ice Queen's will to return to Carona time and time again. You weren't sure if explaining the origin and implication of its creation was actually necessary to make use of the ability, but treating it with anything less than reverence and respect felt wrong to you. This was more than a tool - It was a legacy left to you in acknowledgement of your empathetic comprehension. Even if you didn't share the Ice Queen's affection for this septic pit of a town, it was worth paying homage to.

Once you were confident Rinnier had understood at least the surface of that legacy you continued on to the relatively simple practical instructions.

"...So I just need to focus on invoking that legacy, then say 'Jinn Calls'-"

You squint through the ensuing typhoon of wind that threw the room into disarray, whipping around personal effects and bedsheets alike, leaving your hair a tussled mess. There was a shock of surprise across your link, followed almost immediately with open eyed, almost childlike awe and wonder. The moments you knew well from the times you'd first surveyed Carona from so far on high.

...Then came the nervousness. You snickered despite yourself, pinpointing the exact moment gravity took hold and all that was left was terror and regret.

Then came a knock at the door, rudely interrupting you. "Miss Lamandra? I heard a commotion, is everything alright?"

You scratched your cheek, one hand running back through your hair to try and straighten it up as you fumbled around for your missing hairband. This was probably as good a time as any to get out of bed for the day. "It's fine!" You called through the door absently, "Don't worry about it!"

"...Ser Valen?" It wasn't a question so much as Fen's bluntly blurted confusion. You were too busy trying not to look like a mess to follow what was he mumbled after. "I'll be back at the front if you need anything." He concluded in a clearer voice, leaving you once again to your morning. Not that it mattered, because you were running out the door a few minutes later looking only marginally less like a hot mess in wrinkled clothes. You offered a quick 'be back later' to the perplexed secretary as you breezed past him, not stopping to hear his reply before hitting the streets.
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"Well, nothing's broke." Rinnier grunted after you found her, wincing as she staggered along. "Lots of things are sore, though."

"There used to be a couple of roofs to break the fall." Having someone else to share this particular experience with made you happier than it had any right to, really. "There never seems to be any serious injuries, but I don't know if it's a matter of luck or something to do with the ability."

"Could have warned me about that first." She glowered at you heatlessly, "All that backstory and nothing about falling from the sky every time?"

"I forgot?" Not a spark of belief swum in her crimson eyes. "I did forget the first couple of times I used it."

She sighed. "I hate that I have to believe that." Rinnier threw her head back, fixing her debris laced hair to something more presentable. "Fine, it's my fault anyway. You told me about this a week or so ago, I just didn't remember in time."

The sense of resignation coming out of her did nothing to diminish your beaming smile. "My idea for a tower's looking pretty good now, isn't it?"

"Yes." She rolled her eyes, "But it still doesn't answer what we'd do with it in the long term."

"Could always make it the new headquarters. Better fortified, design Carona around it, make it a real fortress."

"I doubt the locals would appreciate you turning their home into a military outpost." Rinnier deadpanned, "But I don't know. We'll think of something. Might be a good idea anyway, depending on how the future turns out."

You felt the day of having something to land on coming closer. At the small, small expense of the day of you having a giant statue of yourself flipping off Carona getting further away.

Small sacrifices.

"So there's nothing else we can do about that for now..." Rinnier yawned, "Save set up a parameter and maybe some kind of landing cushion. I'm wary of drawing too much attention to this place if it gives someone a place to lay a trap... Ugh." Your lips peeled back, brightening a grin that would generously be described as shit-eating when Rinnier's reluctant admission finally came. "Fine, the tower's a good idea."

"I also want a statue of myself!"

"...Where?" It was morbid curiosity which drove her to humour you, and since you doubted she was going to approve of it anyway...

"On top of the tower."

"Irue, no."

"It's my tower, I can put what I want up there."

Rinnier stopped walking, inspecting you while a faint, ghost of a smile played across her lips.

"What?"

"Nothing." Relief and exasperation oozed off that one word in near equal measure. "Let's head back, I need a cup of tea before we start on anything else."

"Where are you getting all the lemons for that, anyway?"
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Safely situated back in the headquarters and tucked away back inside Rinnier's office, the Testament in question set to work creating more of the soul puckering serum she was convinced was tea. "An ongoing experiment," She'd explained to you once. "I'm still trying to fine tune it, but it's harder than it looks."

You'd once offered to have Asche help her do it, but apparently the act of learning it herself was worth more to the former princess than the end result of tea that wouldn't kill lesser individuals. "It's been weeks though and it's not getting any better."

"First of all, it's getting plenty better." She retorted, "Second of all, I don't get to spend a whole lot of time on it since Fen typically has more important things I'd rather him be doing."

"Fen?"

"He boils the water." She tapped a pitcher you'd previously just assumed to be part of the background in her office. "Can't heat it up on my own, and I don't want to keep sending him back and forth."

...It took you a moment before it clicked. "Oh."

"Mm." She hummed coolly, busying herself a couple minutes longer before setting it aside to steep. "Alright, you said this other one was dangerous. What should I expect?"

"It uh... Kills you. Briefly." You may as well lead with that, because your recent experience had made it painfully clear what that suffocating void you'd associated with transitioning to the web was. "If everything goes well it'll only be for a second though."

"I'm beginning to suspect you practice dying as a hobby." Rinnier deadpanned, leaning her hip against the desk.

"I didn't know it did that until recently!"

"You didn't know it killed you?"

"Look-" You defended yourself with a scowl, "Have you died yet?"

"No, Irue. Most people don't do that multiple times."

You snapped your fingers triumphantly, "Right! Exactly. So since I'd never died before, how was I supposed to recognize that I was dying?"

This logic, flawless and perfect as it was, seemed lost on your Testament as she buried her face in her hands. Some pitiful expression between a whimper and snort muffled through her palms. "So if dying wasn't the danger with this, what was?"

"...Addiction, mostly."

"To the dying?"

"No!" Your snapped back, irritation only partially mollified by the amusement trickling into your heart. "It's the web itself. It's..." You drew a breath to try and describe it. "Perfect? Absolute? Exponentially more vivid than anything you've ever experienced?" That felt almost like underselling it. "You'll understand once you enter it, but it's incredibly easy to just... Lose yourself inside the web for hours. And once you've done it once, the experience stays with you. It's always kind of... There? In the back of your mind."
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Your first experience had sapped away hours, and the temptation never seemed to fully go away. It got easier to deal with over time, the more you used it, but it was always like straddling the edge of a very long fall. One slip was all it took. All you had to do was indulge a little and you never knew just how far it would take you. You recognized it was dangerous, but couldn't bring yourself to actually say anything bad about it. Even now, trying to warn her, your descriptions felt more like glowing praise than caution.

"Ah, this is what you were doing." She nodded attentively though, taking all your words with a somber sort of consideration.

"I've probably used this the most. without it I doubt I'd have found you, or Asche, or those mercenaries in the forest. Or- You get the idea. It's hard to identify people from inside the web, though. And aside from the awareness and exploration it gives you, it doesn't do... A whole lot else." You cleared your throat, "Not alone, anyway."

'A Spider's Web' was a curious little curse, because to use it forced you to take up the role of either the spider or the web. One was lost without the other - Whether that meant without a home, or without a purpose. It allowed an interface between two users of the ability, but normally speaking you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who even knew about an Atelier, much less had Solved it. In that sense, the only reason you could so much as attempt to circumvent its inborn malignance was because of 'Hearts in Harmony' tying you and someone else together.

"Potentially speaking... If we work together, the web can be weaponized. Become a physical and very lethal weapon."

"I'm fine with that." Rinnier began easily. "I already went this far with you. How do we do this?"

Good question. The last time you did this with another person it was your doppleganger, and your circumstances at the time were... Unique. All you had to do back then was start weaving and the rest just kind of fell into place. The perks of blissfully just exploring your powers, when you didn't actually need to care about the consequences.

"Alright, well-"

You interrupt her hesitantly. "Before that, do you-" Luna bless, how do you word this? "-Do you want to be the spider or the web?"

"What?"

"If we do this together, those are the roles we'll be-"

"No, I understand that part. Vaguely." She swiftly amended her first statement almost as an aside, "What's the difference? What do they do?"

"One weaves the web and moves around. The other... Is the web. They control the woven threads, I think." Supposedly you'd been the web before, but that entire part of your life was a mystery to you. If it weren't for the little box of memories your doppleganger had left behind, it may as well have been a blank spot to you.
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"Do you have a preference?" She mused, crossing her arms in thought.

"I think I'm fine with either role." You were probably more used to being the web all told, but this was new ground for both of you anyway.

"...Alright." Rinnier concluded reluctantly. "I'll be the spider, then."

"You sure?"

"That'll put me deciding where and how far we go, right?" She double checked, waiting for you to nod before continuing. "Then yeah. I think I'm more comfortable being on top."

"..."

"And besides, while the spider's on the web they'll be fighting like normal, right?" She continued blithely, "You've gotten a lot better these past couple of months, but I don't think you have the stamina to keep going like I would."

You press your lips together in a thin line, carefully trying to judge your words.

"And I'm more experienced anyway, so I think this will work- What?" She stopped after a moment, eyeing you inquisitively.

"No, I'm fine with it."

"It felt like you wanted to say something." She frowned to herself. "You're more familiar with the positions. I don't mind following your lead on this."

>Will you be the Spider or the Web?

and!

>Practice together
>Leave her to practice alone while you do something else (what?)
>Talk about something else (what?)
>Other? (write-in)
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>>3830931
>Spider
>Practice together
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>>3830931
>Is she being lewd on purpose
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>>3830931
>Web
>Practice together
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>>3830931
I've been waiting for this!
>Bully Rinnier

>Be the spider
>Practice together
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>>3830924
Put a clock on the top of the tower.

Peasants love giant noble clocls thrusting into the sky.

Gives 'em something to be proud of.
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>>3830931
> Web
We cam agree to let Rinnier take the safer option. She has nothing to prove to us. We can make sure to tell her that.

and we have everything to prove to everyone.

We should switch off anyways. Also we should get someone to wake us in a bit. Maybe Ari? Bully Ari, make her watch Rinnier top us.
>Practice together
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>>3830931
>Spider
I think. whatever one controls the process. We know what we're doing, and can cut it off if we get too deep for her first dive.

>Leave her to practice alone while you do something else (what?)
Anything, really. Wander around town maybe, see how reconstruction is going.
Plus we don't need to be dunking ourselves back in again.
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>>3830929
>One weaves the web and moves around. The other... Is the web. They control the woven threads, I think."
Well that's as clear as mud. We'll be whoever has ultimate cutoff abilities. I seem to remember being the web causes loss of self?
>Go do something else
Go read a book. Rue hasn't sat down and read for pleasure in a long time.
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>>3830931
>Spider
We have experience using the web, we should be the overseer.

>Something else (what?)
Reading sounds nice and safe and unlikely to get us in even more trouble.
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>>3832189
>We have experience using the web, we should be the overseer.
No we shouldn't, the Mother of the Mother Den should.
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Oh no
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>>3830931
>Spider
>Leave her to practice alone while you do something else (what?)
We need to avoid using the web except for when we need it, we relapse too quickly. Use the journal for its intended purpose: become someone else and lose ourselves in the crowd for a while. Good way to see how reconstruction is going.
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>>3830970
>>3831017
>>3831378
>>3832189
>>3831517
>>3832767
I literally only asked you so I could do it instead!

>>3831012
>>3831301
Alright, you'll roll with it.
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>>3830970
>>3831012
>>3831017
>>3831301
Practicing together!

>>3831378
>>3832767
>>3832189
>>3831517
We don't really need to be here for this.

Hmm.... I'll leave it for a little while then flip for it, otherwise first vote will tiebreak.
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>>3831292
Also clocktower stuff! And a note to remember to follow up on the storm in the dream from last update.

>>3830998
I don't get it. She was laying out very valid points in a serious conversation with you? Don't make this weird, anon.
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>>3833410
1. Together!
2. We're going to relax.
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>>3833410
> I literally only asked you so I could do it instead!

I expect nothing more from the people playing lately.

Especially with single id votes and a namefag.

I mean come on.
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>>3833410
Also how is she gonna be the web if we don't practice together? It needs two people, that was the whole point of sharing our powers.
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"Maybe it would be better if I handled the weaving for now." You suggest after a moment. "Being in the web will mess with you, so I'd feel better if I'm the one holding the reigns. We can switch another time, once you've gotten more used to what it's like?"

"So I'll be relying on you to pull out during our first time?"

"I... Are you doing this on purpose?"

"?" She blinked quizzically. You felt your soul crumble a little after the link confirmed she didn't know what you were talking about. That reaction seemed to spark a chain reaction as she hurried to clarify herself upon noticing your distress. "I'm not against it, or anything. You've made it clear that it might take some getting used to, and I trust you to hold my hand through the worst of it."

Flustering choice of dialogue aside, being told something like that was a second wind. You didn't have any reason to be surprised by the admission that she trusted you like this, but to actually hear it said? As if it were a given, without so much as a beat of hesitation prior?

A smile bloomed despite yourself, rising up from your chest alongside a pleasant warmth to imperceptibly stain your cheeks. "Yeah, everything'll be fine!" You nodded, both her and yourself as you settled into a tentatively more positive mood for the morning. "Let's get started!"

You still had misgivings about doing this, but it wasn't as if you were unused to handling 'A Spider's Web' at this point. As long as you kept a careful eye on things, you were confident you could serve as an anchor for someone else. Stay calm, don't worry too much. You could do this. Nothing unexpected was going to crop up; Nothing was going to suddenly go wrong.

"I'm going to weave something small at first. We'll expand bit by bit as you get used to it, then see how things go from there."

"Is there anything I should do to prepare myself? I'd rather not have a repeat of earlier."

You take a breath to center yourself, already reaching for the web. "Take a seat? There's no telling how long this will take, so the less likely you are to be laying around on a floor somewhere in the meantime, the better."

"Speaking from experience?"

"No, I can weave and walk at the same time." You let a lilt of pride color your voice as Rinnier readied herself. On the surface your exchanged jabs and barbs were business as usual, but there was nothing to hide the undercurrent of nervousness fidgeting in and out of Hearts in Harmony. "Besides, the last time I did this in Carona I was in bed all day."
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In a way it was sort of calming like this; Bickering back and forth without the heat, or a stake of pride to defend. It wasn't the sort of amiability you'd often imagined friendship to have, but... There were a lot of things that turned out very different than you'd imagined. You couldn't say a balance like this was something you particularly hated.

"You're in bed all day anyway. I've never seen you up before noon."

"I value my sleep. Most of my life I've been woken up with a sunbeam directly in my eyes."

"And the one day you aren't, you woke up early anyway." Rinnier snorted.

"Someone woke me up."

"Then we're even, I barely got any sleep dealing with you last night."

You paused your preparations to shoot her a mildly disgruntled look out of the corner of your eye. "What'd I do?"

"You're clingy in your sleep." Rinnier noted primly. "I ended up kicking off the covers because it's like sleeping with a bony heater."

Were you? Save Ari as a semi-recent addition, you'd slept alone all your life. There was a good chance from the dripping amusement that had served to balm her anxiety that she was just picking on you, but... If you actually asked, it felt like you'd be losing somehow.

Instead you inform her exactly what you think of that with a soft snort. "Speaking of sleeping, did you happen to see a manor in the storm? I've been thinking about it and you may have seen bits and pieces of the Ice Queen's Atelier."

"Ah," She sighed and settled her nerves as the topic changed. "No, nothing like that. I said there was a storm, but that's not really enough to describe it. It was a storm like the Mistral's Child was a breeze; You could lose sight of your own legs through the flurry, and if you stopped moving it felt like you'd be buried beneath the snow in minutes."

...The Ice Queen's Atelier had threatened to freeze you in place if you stopped for too long, but never actually bury you. Much less in a storm of snow - the Atelier had been peaceful, all things considered. Frozen and tranquil.

"I can't remember much more about it, though. Between that and the howling wind, I wasn't prepared to feel so lost again."

"...You felt lost? Are you sure it was you?" You quirked a brow curiously. "The dreams Hearts in Harmony give are empathetic so it can be hard to differentiate what you're feeling from the memory's feelings."

"Nn... Maybe it wasn't me, then." She shook her head, visibly working to try and re-examine her experience as you talked. "It wasn't like I was lost in the sense I didn't know where I was, I think. You seemed to know where you were going. It was more like... I was lost?" She raised a hand vaguely, trying to illustrate the difference. "I knew where I was, and I knew where I was going, but I didn't feel like-"
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You waited for her to finish, distantly feeling like you were as ready as you would ever be to begin weaving with Rinnier. Your preparations had been primarily mental in the first place; Weaving the web was the easy part, but keeping control of yourself afterwards wasn't. You couldn't afford a slip with someone else involved.

After a while though, it became apparent that whatever the former princess had been trying to say just wasn't going to come. She'd drifted in silence from nervous anxiety, to being at ease, and then taken a hard nose dive into sense of disturbedness that left you feeling uneasy just catching its hollow reverberations leaking over.

"Rinnier?"

"Huh?" And like that it was gone. Or reduced, at least. Dispersed and diluted as she focused her attention once more. "Sorry, I started thinking about something else."

"Hmm..." You lingered uncertainly, finding your hesitant inclinations tentatively tipping as the morning's meager boost in confidence tugged on the scales. "You can-" Words jumbled together as one statement was shelved for fear of sounding too forward. "I mean- we can talk about it if you want? I can be the one listening this time."

You had come back breaking and frayed at the seams from Dryad's Atelier the first time, and in that critical moment made the risk of placing your trust - Your vulnerability - In someone else for the first time in over a decade. Someone besides Asche, who for all she meant to you, had never been able to help you in the ways you had probably needed help. It was scary, and even though you'd continued to entrust Rinnier with an earnest and open insight into how you were feeling, you'd never stopped hesitating to do so. Always wrestling with second doubts, and the decision of whether this or that was really something you shouldn't just keep to yourself and resolve on your own time. Afraid, on some level, that if you kept at it her patience would run out and you'd come off as too whiny - Too weak - to be worth the time.

But for all the shit that you wrestled with, the sometimes trecherous and intimately violating presence of Hearts in Harmony made certain you wouldn't mistake that you were the only person with scars... And while some part of you resented - Deeply, deeply resented - that it was by this method you'd touched on anything of this nature, it wasn't something you felt like you could ignore.

"Thanks, Irue." And it hurt in hard to describe ways when the open note of affection twined with your name corresponded with the flame haired Testament's wavering indecision silently distancing. "I'm sorry, I know you're trying... But it's not something I'm ready to do."
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"I guess punching you won't help this time?" Your joke strained to lighten the mood.

Rinnier gently shook her head, tucking back an errant lock of hair which slipped free in the process. "No, but... I appreciate that you did that when you did. We never really talked about it after the Rite, but I think you scared me back then."

You turned a doubletake to reconcile the idea of you scaring her during the Rite. If anything, she'd been intimidating to so much as talk to with how viciously she'd torn into you from day to day. "...How?"

"There haven't been a lot of people in my life who didn't want something from me, and you weren't any exception when we met." She admitted, "We had a business deal. I cooperated to help you get what you wanted, you helped me do what I needed done. And-" She took a breath, "-That was fine. That was more or less what I expected, and I was satisfied with that. But it didn't seem like you were. We'd keep arguing, and you kept pushing, trying to get... Something? Trust? Faith? I don't know."

Contrary to her usual physical illustrations, Rinnier folded her hands together as she spoke. A fidgety gesture, which served to give you as little an explanation as your own internal dialogue was when the questioned turned to what you'd even been trying to accomplish back then.

"I've not had the luxury of letting people in in my life. As a princess I had rules, and responsibilities, and obligations, and more often than not the people who seemed interested had ulterior motives. It was... One sided. I guess what I'm trying to say is, every time you kept pushing for more than the agreement we made, I was suspicious. But then you'd do something stupid, like risk your life getting that polearm back and- And the polearm didn't even matter." A melancholic chuckle bubbled under her breath. "It didn't find my people, or anything like that. But you were the kind of idiot who seemed like they'd done it just because it would mean something to me... That was frightening."

"Are you ever going to stop calling me an idiot?"

"No." She met your scowl with a small smile, genuinely peering over at you. "But it's not always a bad thing. At any rate... When you found me in the library, I didn't know what I was going to do. You were alive, the end of the rite was in sight, I'd played my part well enough... I could have just kept going. But I have these walls and, you- You kept pushing. I didn't want you in- I didn't want anyone in. Something snapped. I snapped."
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"You stabbed me in the gut." You remind her pointedly. "Again."

"That was an accident, and you punched me in the face first." Rinnier remained unapologetic. "...And I guess that's what decided it for me."

"Trying to beat your face in made you like me?" ...Then again, you did end up shaking Mim around that one time, and that relationship was going pretty well too.

Rinnier giggled faintly from behind a knuckle pressed to her lips. "It's... Complicated. You got so mad, you weren't taking 'no' for an answer. And I was already furious, I just wanted you to leave... And you didn't. So I kept hurting you, trying to make you give up, and you'd just keep trying to break my nose again."

You had successfully gone months without thinking about the fact you'd failed to do that, and now here you were.

"I was always suspicious that you were only pushing to get what you wanted, saying what you thought would earn you favor, but the end of the Rite was so close. And there you were again." She took a deep, heavy breathe that rose and fell with her shoulders. "I had to accept that when you said you cared, you meant it. So... Starting there. Around then, at least. I tried to see you differently. Started... At least being open to the idea of being more than convenient partners."

Though it wasn't the most polite thing to ask, the sudden deluge had made you nervous. This was, by far, the most Rinnier had spoken about herself in the entirety of the time you'd known her. "Why are you telling me all this now?"

"Because you asked if I wanted to talk." She reminded you bemusedly. "And none of this is related to earlier, but when I said no I kinda felt how it hurt?" She made a face, like trying to awkwardly phrase the sensation Hearts in Harmony fed back into her. "I just don't want you to think this is one sided because I wasn't ready to reciprocate after the last couple of times you needed to talk. I'm not turning you down, I'm just not ready."

Alright... You could accept that. Or you had to accept that, because you weren't entirely sure when you'd finish processing everything she'd just told you. At the very least, it was a topic for another time - So you put it aside, and chose to focus on the task at hand.

"Well... I'm ready to start this web if you are."

"Yeah. Let's do it."
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Invoking 'A Spider's Web' came smoothly to you, like a well oiled groove sliding into place, or the pleasurable burn of your muscles retracing the memory of movements seared into them. A flexibility and freedom that drew your very consciousness down a spiralling drain, blocking all sight, sound and sense until the world was nothing but a familiar and suffocating abyss. One you'd traversed time and time again with every use of the web-

-But this time you panicked. You screamed. You writhed and struggled in the endless black, sinking and dissolving with hopeless tears strangled in your throat and no voice to carry them.

And then it was over. Well and truly over once again, leaving your heart hammering in your chest as if to burst free and prove it still lived on principle. Your blood ran thick with ice, a cold sweat broken out on your skin in the interim between your transition. One shaking hand rose, scarcely under your control for the terror which wracked your nerves!

"Irue? What's going on?"

Rinnier's voice was a clarion call in your screaming mind - And a permeating presence that left you briefly unsettled and antsy rather than calmed. A far cry still from your previous state, but not one you wanted to be in any more.

"Just... Bad experiences." You swallowed heavily, working to calm your mind as the first threads of awareness spooled from your finger tips. Through the web the world was made real again, and with its expansion you grounded yourself back in its physical embrace. "How is it?"

The room was beginning to be visible again. Even though you weren't the web, your awareness didn't extend beyond its confines anymore than usual... But you weren't so constrained to the maintenance and upkeep of the web's integrity that you were trapped at its center any longer. You knew, as simple as breathing, where every item within this room was. Their exact distance from you, from each other, and from anything else you cared to count.

It was awareness, perfect and absolute comprehension of every physical existence within your territory, and how sweet it was to experience the world the way it had always, always been meant for.

You breathed out a shuddering, nervous gasp of air and let euphoria numb your veins.
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"Rinnier?"

"Beautiful..."

A belated, and by all accounts mesmerized, reply. One you probably would have echoed the first time you truly experienced what 'A Spider's Web' could provide you. The danger that so inherently lurked in its use, which brought you down from your high as Rinnier's answer reminded you of your role, was in this ambrosial experience. An addiction, not of the body or chemicals, but that once you'd existed within this near ascendant realm, anything less just felt muted. A dull and gray, uninspiring world of muffled sounds; All but numb to the touch.

Your web filled the room, threading intricately from floor to wall and spanning the ceiling above. It was safety, it was home, it was yours by all definition and understanding of the concept... And that was as far as you would go for now. Let Rinnier indulge herself while you established the perimeter and set boundaries.

in the meantime, you ran a mental checklist of yourself and your surroundings. It was near impossible to keep some form of nervous excitement from jittering through your system, not with the inundation Hearts in Harmony echoed back to you from your Testament's explorations, but this wasn't a new experience to you. A wonderful one, a fantastic one, but not new. Not something to distract you for long - Even weaving a web of this room would have taken you over an hour once upon a time, but it was accomplished now with loving precision by idle hands and a scattered mind.

Amusingly however, you noted that you were the only one still conscious. Rinnier's body had slumped into her chair with a glassy eyed stare - A separation of whatever defined her self from her physical form, as you felt the ticklish sensation of the web quiver or start to brush against furniture at her whimsy.

This would be incredibly awkward to try and explain if anyone came in right now... And precisely for that reason, you stood coiled and waiting for a knock at the door. One that proved reluctant in coming, and perhaps for a small mercy just never would.

But you could walk! The entirety of the room was at your discretion once the web's expanse was set, with no thought or care spared towards maintaining it as you set about amusing yourself. This was a far cry more potent than your experiments trying to weave a single thread while traveling with Raid.
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It was unfortuante that your newly found (regained?) ability to walk among your own web was simultaneously rendered irrelevant by the fact that you knew intimately every space within your web. It was actually incredibly encouraging of you to just find somewhere comfortable and stay there permanently.

"The world ends at the web's edge." Rinnier however, offered a wondrous observation quite to the contrary. "I want to go outside."

"We can't without expanding the web."

"So expand it."

"...No. If we just keep weaving, we'll spend all day on that." You pat yourself on the back for actually saying 'no' to expanding the web, because that honestly sounded like a lovely idea... If it were just you. With Rinnier in tow though, the necessity for restraint was a little further towards the front of your mind.

Without further retort, you settled back into wiling away your time. The act of simply sitting and passing your day had become a rare one, and doing so immersed in 'A Spider's Web' was a delicacy that made an an otherwise boring experience very fulfilling. You probably could have stayed like this in the officer for hours... If your awareness around the edges of the web didn't start to grow hazy.

"Rinnier?"

"I want to go outside." She reiterated.

"...If you're trying to stretch the web out there, I'm cutting us off now."

"No, I'm trying-"

The web ends quivered awkwardly, flailing without proper attachment as you'd so carefully set. Near translucent strands of ghastly filiment moving of their own accord as more and more of the web seemed to lose coherence and dissolve away. What remained fell from the ceiling as a net, entangling you in threads you'd seen dismember men far bulkier than you at a slip.

Large patches of void existed within your once perfect world, no longer capable of being discerned by your patchworked tatters. "You're ruining the web I set up... And be careful with how you handle the thread. It's sharp."

"It's dull." She corrected, "And I'm trying to figure out how to grab you."

"I am grabbed." You report with a deadpan, pinching the web-net that'd fallen between your thumb and index to lift it off. "Is there a reason for this?"

"If you won't weave more web, I could just drag along with you?"
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Ah. "I've tried that before, it won't work out like you'd hope." The strong point of 'A Spider's Web' really was in its ability to establish a domain. A mobile web wasn't impossible, as you'd discerned poking and prodding Raid like a guinea pig, but if the whole point of 'A Spider's Web' was the breadth of awareness, then sacrificing that to wander was kind of pointless.

"Oh." Rinnier fell silent through the threads. "Well, go somewhere else."

"I can't. There's no awareness beyond the web. The moment I stepped off, I'd be deaf, blind and numb."

"Spiders get off their webs all the time, though."

"If I did that I'd be forced to disconnect from you, which also defeats the point." An incredibly potent tool, but mobility was absolutely not part of its advantages. "Do you want to stop?"

"If we stop do I get to be on top?"

"...No. You're still too enamored."

The entirety of the web tremored in correlation to her frustrated groan. "Fine, but give me something more than this room. How far can it go?"

"If we had the time, I don't know what its limits are." ...Granted once you'd lost a full day mapping out a large portion of the labyrinthine ruins below the crypts. The only real catch you'd found was that at some point you were stretching yourself so thin your sense of scale and location started to distort.

All the same, maybe limiting Rinnier to just this office was excessive. It was by far the smallest web you'd ever woven - Even your the encounter with the Wisp adept in the old Tier estate courtyard was three or four times larger. You'd never used 'A Spider's Web' for small-scale endeavours, and while that'd easily sucked away your awareness, would that really be an issue for Rinnier while you were minding the time?

Besides, if you did weave it a little larger, you could wander around too. See Carona, maybe find a book and relax reading for the first time in... Months.

>No, the office was enough.
>The headquarters was a conservative compromise.
>Let's go check out Carona, then!
>Push it to YOUR limit, let her have fun.
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>>3834467
>No, the office was enough.
Winners don't do drugs.
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Go to bed before you're singed into a pile of pork crackling chips
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>>3834516
+1.
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>>3834467
>>No, the office was enough.
Keep her use minimal.
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>>3834467
>The headquarters was a conservative compromise.
She won't get lost on a scale this small so we may as well let her map out the building. I'd like to get a head start on mapping out the town since we'll still have to do that to find artemis anyway but Irue has set her limits and to immediately back down on them would be gay.
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>>3834467
>The headquarters was a conservative compromise.
shouldn't just cut it short now
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>>3834574
How in the world do you intend to find Artemis with the web, anons? We could find every single person in the city, but the web can't tell who is with Artemis.
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>>3834608
Rinnier knows what a lot of Marcus' agents look like. At the very least we can identify and track who responds when we contact Marcus. We can track him, see who he talks to and track those people too.
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>>3834467
>>No, the office was enough.
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>>3834644
I don't think it's dopable on the practical level. First of all, we have to be the one to contact Marcus. We can't maintain the web at the same time. Second, even if we track someone we have no way to pass that info to a direct action squad.
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>>3834674
Why can't we contact him with the fragment? Rinnier is maintaining the Web, not us. Why can't we pass the information on after the fact? Rinnier is the unconscious one, not us.
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>>3834711
I'm not sure at all we're capable of using the fragment while maintaining the web. And we can pass info only to someone who's in the same room. If the tracked people move, we can't update anyone on their positions.
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>>3834738
>I'm not sure at all we're capable of using the fragment while maintaining the web.
Why not? An apparition could use the Web so I don't see why we can't use it in proximity to an aborted apparition.

>And we can pass info only to someone who's in the same room.
I don't understand, we're not going to stay in this room forever anon. If we expand the Web later then we can follow our forces around and keep them updated.
>If the tracked people move, we can't update anyone on their positions.
Anon we don't have to be a hive mind to communicate.
"one of the agents is south of the shrine its a big fat fuck with a bald head and is moving east quite fast, he's probably running."
Or even
"follow me, I'll point him out for you."
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>>3834467
>No, the office was enough.

See how Rinnier reacts when she's not in the Web first.
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>>3834467
Actually, can we link up with the web we established previously instead?
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>>3834516
This perspective is what got us killed by the Whisp adept.
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>>3834516
>>3834518
>>3834525
>>3834647
>>3834851
You are hyper protective of literally everyone but yourself!

>>3834574
>>3834587
Something on the smaller scale of what you've typically used the Web for!

Well, alright.
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>>3834738
>using the fragment while maintaining the web
You can, there's absolutely nothing stopping you. You can even use the Diary of Reflections and the bracelet. They have no bearing on each other.
>we can pass info only to someone who's in the same room
This restriction is a byproduct of your web being in one room. If it was expanded then where you could go expands. The only thing keeping you from walking around Carona is the fact you choose to stay in this room.
>If the tracked people move, we can't update anyone on their positions.
There are technically two sets of "eyes" in the Web currently: Yourself and Rinnier. Rinnier's presence maintains the web you've woven without any real effort on your part, but she's also perfectly capable of inspecting or paying attention to something you aren't - This is the basis of how you've been letting her play around while you relax and pass the time. Once she knows who she's watching, she can relay updates to Irue of her own accord without, again, any real effort on Irue's part.

>>3834854
>can we link up with the web we established previously instead?
I'm guessing you mean the one woven to find dead bodies? It has since unraveled. Unless you make a point to stabilize a web before disconnecting, it will always unravel immediately. Even stabilized webs will unravel after a period of time, and the denser the mana is in the area will speed that process up. The exception to this is currently in progress - As someone else occupies your web, they will maintain it after you disconnect!

Bear in mind however that once you've disconnected from a web, you can no longer alter, expand, or repair that web. While you maintain a vague and faint awareness of the web you disconnected from, it serves as more of an alarm than an absolute awareness. You might, for instance, be aware if someone enters the office or if Rinnier is trying to get your attention. You would not be aware of their exact location in the office, if they were speaking, or what Rinnier actually wanted your attention for.

You are assumed to always be in a state of weaving even while disconnected from a web, in the sense that you've never made a transition back to normal. You're capable of making more webs at any given time - Though attempting to maintain multiple separate webs is a poor, self-destructive idea. This is mitigated somewhat by having someone else (IE: Rinnier) maintain one web while you maintain another, but at that point it's probably better if you abandoned the spider and web cohesion altogether and just worked separately. There's really no point in dividing responsibilities with an absent partner.

I rambled more about the web back in 66 around >>2121039 if anyone was interested.
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>>3836141
>You are hyper protective of literally everyone but yourself!
>literally everyone but yourself!
That's no good. I would like to help Irue Valen by solving the "Forgotten Things". Which one should I solve first, and how would you like me to go about it? Would you like a few sentences of my most plausible deduction, or all possible routes I've uncovered in solving the case?
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>>3836167
If you're referring to the pastebin list, those have already passed. Forgettings are solved or failed as they come up.
Have you read the archives? You will be very lost without reading them.

And there's no need for a name or a trip here. Please ditch it.
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>>3836186
>And there's no need for a name or a trip here. Please ditch it.
>Please ditch it.
I can't, please send help.
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>>3836167
As >>3836186 noted, you can't really solve a Forgetting until one comes up. The ones in the pastebin have already passed, they're just there for reference and memories. There's also no real hard format on how you approach answering them, but besides just clearly stating your conclusion it helps other anons if you explain why you believe it's relevant or the answer so you can work together or inspire each other... That said, solving Forgettings won't really change who Irue is. Until it does.
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>>3836221
>Until it does.
I feel like Riz is forgetting something.
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>>3836141
> You are hyper protective of literally everyone but yourself

This is true. But also I was thinking we could also switch around first, and like I said see how Rinnier responds to coming out of the web as well before going further.
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>>3836141
> Bear in mind however that once you've disconnected from a web, you can no longer alter, expand, or repair that web.

So could we make a shadow razor web, and then lock it in place to make a permanent web wall?
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>>3836206
Easy, watch.

>>3836221
Please discount namefag votes in the future.
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>>3836384
Theoretically, yes! But as Rinnier has noted her web is rather dull and doesn't look like it's shadow related at all.
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>>3836167
Hownew.ru
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"Why don't we take a break? You've gotten a taste for what the web is like, let's stop for now and see how you handle coming out."

"You're coddling me." Less a question so much as an accusation.

"I'm making sure nothing goes wrong."

"Are you this careful alone?"

"..." You couldn't answer that without lying or admitting yourself as a hypocrite. You knew these dangers intimately, but the times you dove into the web were done with a stubborn determination to get something done no matter the cost. You certainly never had anyone there who could pull you out, and you'd taken the brunt of its feedback each and every time you had finally convinced yourself to swim back to the surface and leave the web behind; It was that exact experience which drove you to be so cautious now.

Yet before your eyes the translucent threads which made up your carefully woven web started to degrade. You blinked, feeling every section of the room slowly dissolving back into nothing - Feeling that abyss you'd just escaped from coming back to swallow you whole. "Rinnier?" You got to your feet swiftly, staggering when the world dropped out from under you and left you standing alone in an empty void. Before you could attempt to repair the tattered web, it was unmade.

A cold breath shivered through your lungs, leaving you no recourse except to weave a new web from the start or traverse back through that gap of fleeting death... And that decision was made only reluctantly after you realized how empty you felt. Rinnier's presence had already left, and as you'd left maintenance of the web to her, it had dissolved the moment she ended her connection to it.

So the decision was made for you, left alone now as the only one weaving. You steeled yourself and fell back into death.
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Returning to your body was as disappointing as ever. The dilution of the world from its proper state into this muddied, pale and muffled existence was maddening at the best of times... And when you were relying on your senses to help convince yourself you were still alive - That you'd actually made it! - That numbness which swum through your eyes and ears was enough to drown you.

But after those first few squirming moments passed, you were back in your body. Slightly more horrified than you had started, with a newly born and swiftly growing trepidation to slide back between your body and the web in that tiny moment of severance. "Wh- What happened?" You swallowed your own beating heart, patting your chest to try and calm its hammering cadence as you quickly scanned the room for your Testament.

"I left." She explained matter-of-factly, observing her own hand with a degree of disappointment and fascination you recognized from your own first experiences. "I'd almost forgotten the world could be that beautiful."

"How do you feel? Are there any withdrawals?"

"Irritated, mostly." She began, poking herself in the cheek experimentally as she spoke. "Can you imagine how frustrating it is to be bound up in a tiny place because someone is too worried to let you set your own boundaries?"

"...I warned you I'd be cautious going into this." You groused back, watching with some buried amusement as the former princess pinched her cheek and tugged at it absently. "Coming out of it is just as dangerous as being inside."

"I understand why you did it, Irue." She slurred through her self-abuse, releasing her cheek once satisfied with whatever bizarre results she was testing for. "Agreeing that it's a necessary precaution to take doesn't mean I enjoy being subjected to it."

Alright... That was fair, you guess. "Well, irritation aside... How are you doing?"

"Remembering what it was like before Salamander abandoned me." An air of resignation weighed down her words. "You never really realize how bright the world is until it's taken from you."

That piqued your interest. Though the topic of Rinnier's history with Salamander had been basically verboten to this point, it wasn't the first time you'd heard that the favored experienced the world differently. A consequence of the world itself loving you. "Is it similar? Did Salamander's favor change things that much?"

"...Similar." Rinnier allowed after some thought. "Through Salamander I heard fire sing. Felt its flames. Every spark and tongue, like extensions of myself. It didn't give me some extended awareness of the world or sharpen my senses any, but the connection was... There." Your Testament laid her head back and sighed. "That was my entire view of the world, as far back as I could remember. Then, one day, it was gone. Now the web's gone too. It's just more of the same."
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"Do you think... You can get a hang of the web in the same way?" You'd never really considered if the web had parallels, but if it reminded Rinnier of her connection to Salamander would that make operating it similar? ...Would that make you a web adept?

...

No, that's stupid. You couldn't be an adept at all if the mana weren't involved, and as far as you knew the web itself was mana neutral. It certainly seemed fine taking on the aspects of Shade, but otherwise had never shown any intuitive sign of being touched by anything.

"It's not the same, but it's close enough I got a vague feel for it." Rinnier affirmed. "Controlling it was awkward, though. Things I felt like it should do, it didn't really seem to respond to. Other times it would react in ways I didn't want it to. You saw I was trying to move the threads towards the end?"

"You dropped a net on me, if that's what you mean." You pointed teasingly at your head. "Didn't look like you were having much success, but I also hadn't expected you to try and manipulate it that fast."

"Keeping a cloak of flames was one of the first things I learned as an adept." She gave you an amused side-eye for your troubles. "I tried to do something similar, but it just fell apart. Like it should have worked but then something broke and the thread spasmed. Or I spasmed, I guess. In either case, it didn't work like I'd hoped."

"It wasn't as sharp as I remembered, either." Given her inexperience with it, maybe that was a good thing. It certainly made you reconsider how you would apply the web in a conflict, though. Had that perhaps been something specific to Shade's influence warping the threads? "How strong do you think the threads are when you handle them?"

"I don't know, I'd have to test it." Rinnier shook her head, "But if you don't let me get used to the web being larger it won't matter anyway. We're both blind beyond the web's range Irue, If this is as far as you're willing to go then you'll get us both killed."

"It's fine, what's important is easing you into it. We have time to practice and refine what we can do."

"Every day we spend easing into this is an advantage lost on catching Marcus off guard." She retorted bluntly.

"If we rush into a fight and you can't handle the threads it won't matter anyway."

"Then you handle the threads. It's safer if I'm the one having to physically defend myself."

Even given the way she'd handled her first experience with the web, you were still reluctant to give Rinnier free reign of weaving. How far would she go? How much time would you lose? ...But it wasn't as if she was wrong. You had time, but you didn't have a lot of it - And every day you spent preparing was a day that Artemis could make its move and change your circumstances. This free time was a very rare, very precious grace period where you could make the first move for once.
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"Alright." You'd do well to switch roles anyway. Your last experience manipulating the web in a two-person environment was... A blur of static, most of the time. "We'll do it again, but no further than this room. I'll leave weaving to you, this time."

"And if I feel like we can go further?" Rinner's arms folded under her chest.

"Then we'll talk about it, and if I feel like we're going too fast I'll collapse the web like you did." Maybe it wasn't a perfect solution. It wouldn't rip her out of the web like you could have as the weaver, but it would set her back to square one. "Don't make me regret this."

Her eyes rolled. "When have you ever regretted working with me?"
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And we are archived.

I'll lurk the thread until it falls off to try and answer some questions if I can.

Apologies to all anons who participated in Valen Quest but died at their keyboards wondering when QM would finally stop.

To those who did not make it to the end, we will never forget your sacrifice.
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>>3836597
Thanks for running!
So Irue actually read Asche's books, eh?
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>>3836597
Thanks for the bread
How badly did we fuck up this time?
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We're a few days from actually falling off, but I'm starting up a new schedule in an IT certification program starting this week and I don't know how much time it's going to demand of me.

That said, I hope everyone enjoyed the thread! I feel like I stumbled a bit here and there, so I'm a little nervous about how things went, but I guess that can't be helped.

I was poking at trying some changes to see how they felt/how they'd be received - One of which was repositioning the Forgetting prompt to be more indicative of which part of the post it was referring to rather than slamming down a six post update and saying "good luck!". Others were a little less mechanically relevant and more that I remembered an anon from a while ago giving me criticism on how I handled multiple people, both in terms of relationships outside of Irue and how they would interact when in the same scene. I think I failed at relaxing again, but I have given up entirely on slice of life at this point.

Since I imagine it'll still be a few days until the thread actually dies, I'm open for requests on something you'd like to see from me. I can't promise it'll get done in time, but relatively sure it can be done by the next thread at least!

>>3836603
Irue Does Not Read™ Asche's books. Irue does not find them laying around, and does not open them against their better judgement to a random page. Irue Absolutely Does Not Read™ a couple pages before complaining to Asche about keeping her things in order.

Fortunately all of Asche's books are gone now since your old home is basically ruined and overgrown, so that is one less daily trouble in Irue's life.

>>3836604
You know what you did, anon.
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>>3836611
Paladin write-up! If that is allowed, I mean. I imagine it's likely not
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>>3836615
That's an interesting idea. Could be interesting to look a little into his history and relationship either with his 'prince' or his time offscreen the past couple threads starting with his fight against Marchovic.
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>>3836619
I'm all for it, if you think it's not too spoilery
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>>3836619
I'd rather not if it will influence how we deal with him next time
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Thanks for the thread Riz! That wasn't relaxing at all but don't give up!
>>3836611
>One of which was repositioning the Forgetting prompt to be more indicative of which part of the post it was referring to
I like this, it's always very frustrating when we can't pin down what to focus on as the quest and the posts are only getting longer.

>criticism on how I handled multiple people, both in terms of relationships outside of Irue and how they would interact when in the same scene
I noticed you were doing something differently when Ari and Miska showed up and I couldn't quite put my finger on it but I liked it, it felt dynamic and fun.
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>>3828823
> Conclude that Forgetting you got! I didn't forget this time, it just didn't fit in the scope of the last update.

What was the forgetting?
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>>3836597
Thanks for running.

>>3836592
Rinnier, that's the addiction talking. Trust us, we've been there.

>>3836611
>I was poking at trying some changes to see how they felt/how they'd be received
I still dunno what that one anon was complaining about, never had an issue with your character interactions.
>relaxing
This was one of the most stressful threads in a while, though that's in large part due to anons being willing to give Rinnier an addiction so we can play with the spiky web.
Rue has been through a lot, but has never cracked of her own volition before. I was rather irritated when the cited reason was overwork, when you won't let us rest. Please either actually let us rest on occasion without someone in our head, or don't let Rue crack like that.
>You know what you did, anon.
Don't I know it. I would wash my hands of it, but that wouldn't change anything.

>>3836630
Same. too much riding on a potential future interaction.
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>>3836611
>One of which was repositioning the Forgetting prompt to be more indicative of which part of the post it was referring to
Thanks to that I nailed two forgettings, what a sense of accomplishment that was.

>criticism on how I handled multiple people, both in terms of relationships outside of Irue and how they would interact when in the same scene
It's good. Not everything we the players choose HAVE to come from Irue's mouth, as long as it has the desired outcome. It was fine to give a little of that control to Rinnier because of her personality and the dynamic between her and Rue.
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>>3836630
>>3836908
I don't think it's that serious, anons. Riz wouldn't just spoil us anything groundbreaking. Especially if it's the 2nd option
There's no need to deprive ourselves of extra content!
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>>3836908
> This was one of the most stressful threads in a while, though that's in large part due to anons being willing to give Rinnier an addiction so we can play with the spiky web.

I disagree, finally getting a hang of a key resource that can save lives is reducing my stress. Although I am concerned that Rinniers lack of a connection with mana might mean she can't manipulate the web.
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>>3837442
>I disagree, finally getting a hang of a key resource that can save lives is reducing my stress.
We already are, we already have it. What Riz has been forgetting, what almost everyone has been forgetting is something we never had: hope.
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>>3837743
Did you somehow miss the last ten or so threads where we rediscovered hope?

It was a huge resolution. Not sure how you missed it.
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>>3837743
Riz is probably the only person in this quest who HASN'T lost all hope at some point. I've come so close to dropping this quest so many times from sheer despair... It hurts to go on sometimes, but damn when it goes well it makes me happy all week.
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>>3836828
A revelation (maybe not surprising to some of you) about the nature of your engagement from the beginning of the quest. Much of the focus at the time was on getting out of the engagement, with little attention paid to who it was with or why it was happening in the first place. Even after the rite was over, most of the opinion on the engagement seems to stop entirely at "how dare that happen".

So the Forgetting up in >>3829038 - >>3829039 - >>3829041 was prompting to see if anyone had given any thought to the "Why" behind the events which kickstarted the quest, and someone nailed it one following the Forgetting prior which outlined some of the curious actions of the Crown in a more understandable light.

Naturally I suppose it raises more questions, but that's the nature of things I guess. You guys were really on point this thread, so a number of things got shared that I'm not sure if it's been obvious or not... But one of the perks of Forgettings is that they offer an opportunity to have suspicions you've pieced together laid out as canon as Irue acknowledges them as fitting together.

Not a Forgetting, but I remember a common confusion people have had for a while was why punching Rinnier was a good answer back before the rite ended, and given the relationship you've developed it seemed a good time for her to open up a little about herself. So as a token of good faith she shed some light on what was going through her mind at the time, as well as what it meant to her.

No one seemed to really care though, so maybe it was something everyone had moved on from when I wasn't paying attention.
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>>3838301
I cared.
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>>3836908
>I was rather irritated when the cited reason was overwork
You didn't overwork, anon. You died. The only thing saving you from being reincarnated into a different quest and going through chargen again with cheat abilities is a lack of trucks. And a clingy Mana.

Besides the outright dying though, there was also the first hand confirmation that the people you had been arguing vehemently to trust and give a chance were apparently betraying you, and then what implicit trust you had in Marchovic being explicitly betrayed when he nearly got you killed. That's just counting personal betrayals before you get into the implication of what rousing Dryad means.

>don't let Rue crack like that.
I do get what you mean though, it's understandably frustrating when the MC takes a sudden emotional turn you didn't vote for. After the last/first major breakdown you all voted to be long in coming, I've taken the approach that Irue's tenet is primarily to get the things in front of them handled, look as strong and collected as possible in public, and then let themselves crack and vent a little only when they've reached a position that feels safe. It's a temporary thing, typically doesn't last long, but it's an active effort being made to not keep things all inside and not risk a repeat occurrence of the first breakdown.

This is my default assumption of Irue's emotional state and preference in handling it, made mostly in respect to how prior votes went and decisions made in who and where to try and vent. If it's something you take particular exception to then it's not something I can promise won't happen again in the future, but I'm generally aiming to temper and adjust Irue's behavior based on your reception anyway so it is noted. Reticence to repeat scenes like that will naturally lead to Irue trying to handle themselves differently as they shy away from interacting in that manner, or in the case that most people agreed with the course of action and were fine with it, but there's a minority displeasure, it's more likely to temper future repetitions towards a more conservative or subdued approach.

Irue is mostly an ever-evolving sort of portrayal in that respect. Some things are hit or miss, so while I may not adjust immediately to a given preference I am trying to curve their behaviour towards something that all of you are mostly satisfied with. Inevitably, sometimes that will probably mean annoying one side or the other, but it does help to have people say when they feel like it's gone too far.
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>>3838321
>a lack of trucks
Well we can agree the paladin hit like a truck...
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>>3838326
https://imgur.com/gallery/kbIoZmc
Hey.
You.
You're finally awake.
You were trying to cross the Teranford border, right?
Walked right into that La'Fielan ambush.
Same as us, and that demihuman over there.
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>>3838321
>You didn't overwork, anon. You died.
>>3826631
>As Irue noted, you've had an incredibly bad month. Between your first trip into Dryad's Atelier and the state it left you in, and then your recent return which left you not only briefly dead but also undid your work in that same Atelier, combined with Asche's sudden absence, Irue doesn't have a whole lot of fight left to frivolously spend.
That's not what I got out of that.

Rue needs recovery time, I get that. I want that to happen. But after we were done with that conversation we could have dropped off, then spent the next morning processing what had happened. Now, it has to sit, festering, in our head until Hearts is done; we won't get anything productive done with Rinnier in our head, and it would swamp her besides.
I'm mostly annoyed that we fell apart in front of someone. Someone who then immediately abused that force us into bed. Rinnier is my favorite of the Testaments, but this isn't the first time we've been vulnerable with her and she used it as an opening to boss us around.
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>>3838364
>Now, it has to sit, festering, in our head until Hearts is done;
I wonder if one person can have multiple Shade scars.
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>>3838364
If it helps, you might liken it more to coming home after a bad day at work and yelling about your day. The bulk of Irue's exhaustion and teeter-tottering came from dying which is why you've gained recurring nightmares of that. But dying isn't something you can really do anything about, so fussing about your day happened instead.

>after we were done with that conversation we could have dropped off, then spent the next morning processing what had happened.... Now, it has to sit, festering, in our head until Hearts is done.
>Someone who then immediately abused that force us into bed.
I can't really help here. As mentioned earlier, the only reason it occurred in the first place was because there was a vote for it to happen. For scene-flow and personality dynamic reasons Rinnier took the lead, but had the vote not gone in favor of Hearts in Harmony then Irue would have refused under the same circumstances. At best you might call it being lured to bed, but it was ultimately a consensual thing since the vote outcome indicated Irue was interested in achieving that end result.

That said, it always sucks when people vote to do the exact thing you did not want to do, so I can sympathize with the frustration. She absolutely does have a habit of trying to take charge though, and opinions on that varies. I can't really speak to anyone's personal preference, there.
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>>3838376
Yes! Sort of.

In the case that a Shade scar hasn't been resolved, additional trauma and baggage serves as fuel for a pre-existing scar to feed off of, growing stronger and incorporating the new things into it. In this case you would still only have the one scar, and that's that - Though the nature of that scar might change depending on the most harmful perceived trauma.

If a scar has been dealt with however, it's entirely possible to gain a new one related to separate issues entirely.

You probably didn't want an extended explanation of the Shade scars, but here's one anyway.

It's modeled vaguely off of the idea of mental or emotional scars, where lots of unrelated things can weigh you down as a single "issue", increasing the stress you're under by virtue of multiple sources contributing. Or, alternatively, how you can be under extreme duress multiple times through your life, but get over each of them in turn long before the others occur.

An example of the latter being that perhaps you grew up in poverty and this made you perpetually anxious about money. Because of that when you were in school you gained self-image issues due to peer pressure and being unable to wear the right brands, or go out to eat/shopping with your friends, and started feeling self conscious about the gap between you. As you got older you may have dealt with that, grown with it, and eventually become stronger for it. Then in your late twenties you got cancer, or your relationship/marriage began to struggle and deteriorate. In this circumstance you would be considered to have two Shade scars - One from your youth which you resolved, and then a new one born later. However if you gained cancer/had a terrible break up during your youth, then it would all be bundled together as one clusterfuck of Bad Feelings.
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>>3838419
>you might liken it more to coming home after a bad day at work and yelling about your day.
That's unhealthy, for the venter and recipient, when done with any sort of frequency.

>since the vote outcome indicated Irue was interested in achieving that end result.
I'll fight you on that. It was TALKING about Hearts, nothing more. At least one anon defended the vote with that exact argument, and at least one expressed they would have voted differently if it had been more clear.

>spoiler boogaloo
Then can we at least back off a little on giving her openings?
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>>3838434
Request to replace note 1 with "work through dying before it causes issues with the Shade scar."
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>>3838443
1. Work through dying before it causes issues with the Shade scar.
2. Return and investigate the Dryad Shrine
3. Bring Miska and the other "People skilled with arms, with a taste for conflict" with us to the main house.

Asche wasn't important anyway!

>>3838436
>Then can we at least back off a little on giving her openings?
Reticence has been noted!
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>>3838456
>ignored talking, not using, hearts. again.
...At least promise you'll be more clear in the future?
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>>3838473
>Still moaning and crying about this a week later
Fuck sake anon let it go, it's not Riz's fault that ONE anon post wasn't on point with their argument. You're being petulant again.
>>3838364
>If only we didn't use hearts in harmony we could have fixed our ptsd from dying
Naive, it's just a part of Irue for now, although her mood has noticeably improved from bonding with Rinnier over hearts in harmony, don't you think? If you're unsatisfied with this small measure of progress then I would like to hear whatever plan of yours we derailed that would have fixed Irue's ptsd in a single day.
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>>3838473
I didn't ignore it, I just don't think fighting you over it would satisfy anyone. In truth, the vote for Hearts in Harmony and what came after were something I had an eye on - More so regarding what happened after.

Votes against HiH consisted of 1 person, and two other 1 post IDs.
Votes for HiH consisted of 3 people and 2 other 1 post IDs (though one of them tried to identify themself).

I didn't pay much mind to it because as I mentioned, no one really samefags Valen. Since threads can last so long now, it's not unusual for people's IDs to change mid thread, and I know mine changes a ton, so by default I'm not really bothered when some show up.

Setting aside the potential for votes changing due to a misunderstanding for now, what immediately followed was a lot of 1 post IDs cropping up to make every vote after that a contentious one, which I similarly would have missed entirely if one anon hadn't pointed it out and gotten me to go back and start looking at earlier turn outs. The timing for that particular occurrence was bizarre, to say the least. The whole mess caused the decision to try HiH and the experimentation which came after to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Now we can go back and my thought at the time was that if we tentatively flip that one person's vote (assuming they even wanted to flip it and weren't just surprised it was to confirm it and not just talk about it), that would tie the vote at 4/4, which would necessitate a tiebreaker and potentially rewriting the update. An alternative was to wait and see if there was a general discontent from the result and then adjust from there - The latter was what I went with, but what happened instead was a sudden influx of more 1 post IDs, which made me wonder if not asking for a tiebreaker or revote in the first place had been a good choice. Would it have been better if a tiebreaker was settled with a 1 post id? Would it have been better if the revote was inundated with the same thing that came up just after?

I think in situations like those people used to do Final Destination votes where only the first few replies in X time counted, but since we're doing 1 update a day that isn't really feasible. Similarly, for aforementioned reasons, saying "only non 1-post IDs will be counted" had the risk of locking out people who came back at the wrong time.

Really the bottom line(s) to this are that
1. In most cases I think I'm being decently clear, but if you ask for clarification on the outcome of a vote I'm happy to clarify it and extend the voting window a little for adjustments (Most of the time!). I do usually try and give you guys a heads up before the window closes and answer whatever questions I wake up to, anyway.

2. I imagine it seems like I basically shrugged it off and plowed along, but there were more factors going on with the votes that I was mentally trying to weigh how to proceed regarding.
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>>3838473
Sorry. I suck at straddling the line between "not addressing issues" and "coming on too strong". You'd think I would have figured it out by now, but nope, still making a fool of myself.
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>>3838594
You're fine! I try to be as transparent as possible when I can since I feel like I've worked pretty hard to earn you guys' trust, and I like to make sure people know the what and why behind my decisions since how I end up handling situations exactly like the one you're upset over directly influence how your votes and intentions are being respected.

Explaining that sometimes takes a lot of text though, and I don't really mind if you're still unhappy with the outcome. Just because that's the way I did it doesn't mean there might not have been a better way, but there's only going forward from here!
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>>3838575
I have a few 1 ID posts and some with 2-3 in this thread because I just pop in to read, vote and then go back to do whatever. I don't sit and press F5 to see if my ID changed or not since as you say, we don't really do samefagging here. If you've got an issue with a vote then you bitch and write essays on why you are correct. It's nice that we don't have to be constantly vigilant about samefags like in other quests

I'm the one who thought that voting to Ask/Tell Rinnier about the web meant that we'd do that. I figured that she would try to get her grubby hands on it once she learned of it because we know her personality but I expected there to be a second vote to accept or reject her usage of it. The story flow went differently than I thought but I was angling to teach her anyway, so I'm not upset. I can understand why someone opposed to it would be though.

On the whole this was a good thread. We got a lot of stuff done, we hold the initiative for once, holy shit, and we finally have a trusting bond (at least, IC) with Rinnier that is more than platitudes and expectations.
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>>3838301
I cared, but I also already figured it was when she realized we were a real nigga and not just trying to play her.
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>>3838601
I personally am quite happy with how you handled things.

I mean.

Irue fucking died. That's really traumatic. I think you handled everything after that pretty well. That also influenced my decision to share more with the people we KNOW we can trust, namely our testaments. Like, we should try HiH with Kara next, because we don't understand her very well at all and the whole Demi-human issue is going to hurt her, again, and I want to do what we can to prevent that hurt.

But niggas, we DIED. I'm surprised that didn't break Rinnier, and I think we needed to do a HiH to keep her from acting on her own to keep us from danger because haha that ain't gonna happen.

As for the votes was

>>3830207

Confusing? If so I'm sorry.

But some people were clearly upset and quite possibly samefagging. Maybe people who found the thread stressful because people "voted wrong". Maybe not. You could just request for contentious voted that new IDs link back to a previous post like >>3830205
Where I did if it's a concern though, it's super easy.
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>>3838456
Are we still upset with Asche over killing ShadowRue?
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>>3838983
I don't think the anons ever forgave Asche for killing dopplerue, so there is a lingering sort of resentment simmering there that hasn't gone anywhere. By and large though, Irue blamed themselves for their doppleganger's death more than they blamed Asche.

Asche held the gun. Asche pulled the trigger. But it was Dopplerue who asked to die and cooperated. It's understandable to be upset with Asche for having played the murderer's part in it, but it's difficult to lay the blame solely at her feet for what became assisted suicide. In general it is just a blob of unhappy, tangled up, complicated feelings over the whole mess - But you're working through it!
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>>3838980
The vote there made me read it a couple times but I figured you were just offloading Rinnier's "choice" of position to a dice roll. It was fine.

>You could just request for contentious voted that new IDs link back to a previous post
I actually considered this, but then this >>3827929 >>3827947 made me second guess that route as well.

It's not something I really want to dwell on since I hope it's not going to be a recurring thing for us. If it is, I'd have to do something truly terrible that no one would like to solve the matter once and for all. It's too terrible even to speak of.
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>>3839493
Post bob and vagene?
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>>3839493
Birth certificate included in every vote? Mandatory tripfagging? Tell us what kind of punishments you have in store Riz!
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>>3840690
>you have to vocaroo every prompt you choose
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>>3840693
Nah that's too easy, you can just use big man tyrone or those indian kids on fiverr to samefag.
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>>3840699
I didn't think of that. Samefags must be really determined
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>>3840705
To kill the samefag you must think like the samefag.

Get your shit together anon.
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>>3840690
>Mandatory tripfagging?
That's the idea, yes. To be more specific, everyone would adopt a trip for their first post in the thread, then drop it immediately. If, later in the thread, there's another significant suspicion of samefagging on a vote, you'll be revoting with your trip on for that vote specifically.

So essentially the trips would only become relevant as a confirmation during samefagging, then dropped later. This still runs the annoyance of locking out people who JUST joined, but it's the most elegant and least intrusive method I've thought of.

Even still I don't think anyone would enjoy this, so I'd rather not. It's not like we have issues with samefagging in general, so it's more of an idle thought.
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>>3840775
>I don't think anyone would enjoy this, so I'd rather not
Oh cool I got it. You're right that it'd be unpleasant but I'm at least glad you're taking anons concerns seriously and if it's a trade off between minor discomfort and peace of mind I wouldn't mind having the option on the table for what that's worth.

>it's the most elegant and least intrusive method I've thought of.
What was the least elegant and most intrusive method you thought of?
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>>3840830
>What was the least elegant and most intrusive method you thought of?
https://fiction.live/user/riz/stories
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>>3841422
We must avoid this denouement at all costs.
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>>3841422
It's even worse than I thought
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>>3841422
I don't understand how that would help though. Wouldn't it just make it worse
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>>3841513
From what I've been told by some acquaintances who run there, akun has account verified votes to help prevent samefagging.

Though I guess you could make a bunch of akun accounts and vote on all of them, but at that point you're putting in enough effort and self-debasement to convince me to write something you want that I might be convinced to do it just out of pity.

And if they're willing to go that far, why not just reboot an 18+ Valen on akun that only takes patreon votes? Imagine, hot dicks as an alternative to emotional growth! The Metamorphosis of our time!

Akun is a slippery slope, let's not go do any of that. Anyway, my course stuff is mostly over for the week and we're still on page 8 miraculously. I'll start poking at that write-up.
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you now remember the maid proposal
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>>3841518
Can we leave Ari in charge of Carona while we're off with Auntie and Rinnier? She is our Testament which means she's our representative with all our authority, after all.
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>>3841518
Also we should tell Ari that even though this time we shared with Rinnier, she's still always in our heart so she doesn't have to feel like we excluded her.
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>>3843579
Now why would you do that
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>>3843579
Not something she knows how to do.
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>>3843612
>>3844965
I mean, clearly she would be following the lead of others left behind.

But SOMEBODY has to nominally be in charge, and Ari can a) learn about it while there and b) prevent possible traitors from using a figurehead as Ari is largely an unknown.

Think of it as letting a new officer have nominal authority while actually being trained by an experienced underling who knows what orders to expect.

We have Ari, we might as well start making her more than just our rescue project. She's grown, after all. Notice how she interjected to state she was willing to share hearts with us? She never would have done that before.

Also if we don't give her an outlet to grow into I'm concerned she'll go full yandere.
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>>3845357
We want to draw as little attention to Ari as possible seeing as how her corruption can get us all killed if revealed. Besides, we need Ari to bring us the oakenrue and dryad cores since we've neglected both of those things. Better to let Dullem take charge, the experience will benefit him more anyway.

I do agree that we should do something with her though. How about taking Ari with us wherever we end up going after visiting our Aunt?
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>>3845357
I'd rather give it to Dullem or Rinnier's secretary. They'll actually have some idea as to what they're doing. And Ari is very much not a people person.
Plus, the decision is technically Rinnier's, as she would be delegating a task delegated to her. I'd prefer if Rinnier would stay and keep things under control herself though. We need her more here than there.
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>>3845399
Nah, Rinnier is more useful helping us ferret out conspiracies and dealing with this court shit. Literally what she grew up doing.

>>3845389
People know we have a third testament, hiding her away will be more concerning than putting her in "plain sight" where she would only be in direct contact with trusted people.

In fact, having everything need to be authorized by her but not letting people contact her directly is a great way to ensure only the things we set in motion get done.

We already woke up Dryad, it's a little late to worry about an Artemis agent infiltrating far enough to meet Ari and somehow knowing she's a Dryad Adept despite Ari trying to hide it.
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>>3845389
Maybe make Ari head of a Secret Police? Put those Yanderebilities to use, plus hiding?

I want her to get more used to operating independently of us if at all possible, especially as some Anons are . . . Irked, by how clingy she is.

>>3845399
Also I notice you have a habit of dragging out votes gone past when they don't go your way. You mentioned earlier that you have difficulty spotting your negative habits, I would like to take the opportunity to try and offer some constructive criticism in the terms of "yes, and -".

Rinnier is coming with us to our Aunts, you're concerned about her work in Carona being left behind. What else can be done about your concern other than changing the vote that happened?
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>>3845399
Note that Dullem and Rinniers secretary are just that, secretaries. They aren't in the chain of command. Ari is. Feudal rule, remember.

I would be perfectly happy to have Ari be a figurehead of authourity while the secretaries do the real work, and she can take the opportunity to learn from them, while they can use her as a reason to deny or endorse petitions and whatnot.
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>>3845417
I don't think this is a good idea anon.
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>>3845408
>Rinnier is more useful helping us ferret out conspiracies and dealing with this court shit.
You mean talking to our Aunt? We don't need her for that.
This town had an insurrection brewing under our noses with us none the wiser. Leaving someone that doesn't know what they're doing in charge of the cleanup is begging for them to get away or cause all sorts of issues.

>>3845414
>changing the vote that happened?
That wasn't voted on. That was someone Rinnier decided on her own. If we decide she's better suited here, we can tell her so. Rinnier is far too pushy for her own good sometimes.
> What else can be done about your concern
If it must happen, putting someone that is able in charge while we're gone. Ari doesn't know the first thing about governing, and making her a rubber stamp-er of other's decisions just kicks the can down to "who's making the those recommendations, and why aren't they in charge instead?

>>3845417
>Note that Dullem and Rinniers secretary are just that, secretaries. They aren't in the chain of command.
And our knights were just peasants until we elevated them. We (and by extension Rinnier) have the ability to appoint whoever we want as regent of this place.
>Feudal rule, remember.
If none of you are going to address the whole "illegal regency" thing with Aunt, you've lost your ability to claim Feudal law on other matters.
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>>3845434
> If none of you are going to address the whole "illegal regency" thing with Aunt, you've lost your ability to claim Feudal law on other matters.

Are you autistic? Or do you seriously mean this, in setting?

It's like you're arguing on reddit.
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>>3845433
Why not?

>>3845434
Oh, and if you want us to deal with our Aunt and her retention of position as head of household in view of Irues almost complete lack of ability or experience in such a position during a time of turmoil and possible rebellion, without causing a war and split within House Valen and possibly the kingdom at large, Rinnier is absolutely necessary for that.
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>>3845434
Ari doesn't know the first thing about governing, and making her a rubber stamp-er of other's decisions just kicks the can down to "who's making the those recommendations, and why aren't they in charge instead?

Answered already, but I'll reiterate.

Because. They. Aren't. Nobility. You're simultaneously concerned about a possible rebellion in the town, and wanting to put up a reasonable candidate that could compete against Irue (but more realistically Rinnier)?

That's just bad politics bruv. That sort of thinking is why Auntie is in charge.

All we have to do is instruct Ari to watch, and let us know when we return who might be suspicious. She's *good* at watching, and being forgotten about in the background, and she is absolutely unconditionally loyal and in love with us. We should use her strengths.
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>>3847269
>Because. They. Aren't. Nobility.
Knights were technically nobility though, weren't they? Wouldn't matter anyway though, if we say Dullem is in charge then he's in charge. I don't think the previous mayor was a noble anyway so I don't know where you're getting this.

>All we have to do is instruct Ari to watch, and let us know when we return who might be suspicious
She doesn't need to be mayor to do this, in fact she'd likely have an easier time muckraking if she doesn't have to govern a town while also learning how to govern a town without either Rinnier or Ashe guiding her.

Dullem by contrast has some measure of experience in leadership, the citizens know and respect him and he's already assumed a position of authority on the high council of faggots or whatever.

>She's *good* at watching, and being forgotten about in the background
>People know we have a third testament, hiding her away will be more concerning than putting her in "plain sight" where she would only be in direct contact with trusted people.
Autism or not I think petulancefag hit the nail on the head, you're just saying whatever you think will refute your opponent at the time and you want to have it every which way you can. Also, it's kind of funny how you're ragging on him for being a shitter when your own posts read like you were foaming at the mouth when you wrote them. Calm down son, the threads over so you can take as long as you want to compose your posts.



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