>>3894083
Oh fuck yeah, he's back, it's happening!

>>3894083
Let's ride kniggas!

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Holy Orders theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY&list=RDjUtXo1sTPDg&index=2
Adam-aligned theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHdKPPNMWX4
Cain-aligned theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b11-37Me_a4

>UNLOCKED His Heart Knows Only Virtue: Holy Orders
+1 Combat Re-Roll
+1 Step on the Path of Adam [12]
>UNLOCKED (12) Shield of Faith: +1 AV re-roll per combat round (companions or self).

Brother Matthias’ Theses on Most Honourable Warrior Societies, 837 A.C.E.
Despite siring no heirs, Brother Adam is rightfully considered the founding father of our great nation. A lawgiver, policymaker and founder of many of the organisatiations that continue to guide Cantônian society to this day.

In those turbulent times, the distinction between realm official and armed combatant was non-existent. The execution of the state’s will by heavily armed warriors of noble spirit was a matter more of practically than their desired nature. As such, man ‘knight’ orders founded by Adam did not have martial objectives as their sole or even primary focus. All learned men must weep for the vision Adam had for our nation, few of the. Brother Adam founded multitudes more orders than Brother Cain, all designed to uphold and defend the stability of the nation but few survived long after his martyrdom at Aubrey and the years of blood and tears that followed. The objective of some of these abandonedorders such as the Elector Knights, Order Legatis or Plenipotentiary Lodge, can only be guessed at by we learned scholars.

Whatever the purpose of these orders was, or how they were to be formed, died with their patriarch in the breach. In that sense, the loss of life by that wicked crime of the Foe is matched only by the loss of potential. Nonetheless, it is a testament to the indomitable spirit of mankind that some original orders yet survived those bloody days and the cataclysms that followed. The efforts of generations of Kings and Queens have also tried, and arguably succeeded, in filling the gaps left by Brother Adam’s passing.

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Knights Comitas
One of the larger orders, second in size only to the Broken Blade, the Knights Comitas escort pilgrims and clerical processions on the roads. They are often recognizable from their simple unadorned garb. They maintain chapter houses along every artery of the Kingsroad and paths to numerous holy sites. While safeguarding chapels and may lead some to view them as a soft lot, their spartan aestheticism ensures that no knight in search of an easy life joins their ranks. Aside from the senior leadership, all brothers of the order take vows of silence. They are one of the few Orders to maintain a chapter house abroad, at the site of the Brother's Emancipation in Cathago Nova. Cantonians are in general not welcome in this land of scorching sand and branded slaves, though pilgrims under the protection of the Knights Comitas are granted a special dispensation from the Dragon. Despite this, when tensions rise between Cantôn and Cathagi it is the Knights Comitas that inevitably bear the brunt of initial pogroms and persecution.

Their primary mission remains to escort pilgrims, harking back to before even the Brothers when escaped slaves would flee to Langland or Canton for safe refuge. They alone are the guardians of Church of the Holy Mother, where Salve Reginae raised the two boys who would overturn a nation. And an even holier place. When the power of the Dragon was broken, the trickle became a flood and a permanent escort force was established. Ironically, the Knights Comitas now protect more travellers to Cathagi on holy pilgrimages and members of the clergy on Cantôn than they ever have away from the land of the slavers.

Order of the Trident
One of the more recent additions to the great orders, the Order of the Trident was founded by the particularly pious Duke Adomai Pascae III with the Queen's blessing and was originally a solely Pascae brotherhood dedicated to rooting out piracy in the western seas. The geography and sheer volume of trade makes this no easy task. The Order came close prior to the start of the War of Borders, even funding their own navy manned solely by Order members at an extravagant fiscal cost. Cathagi piracy and Norsikaan marauders were extinguished all along the western trade routes and the investment appeared not only righteous but a sound investment on ensuring safe trade. Further donations flooded in, even from godly members of the rising middle classes in the Duchy, but alas the Order of the Trident’s fleet was annihilated along with the Pascae fleet levies when the Langlish Armada and their famed privateers launched an invasion.

Much impoverished after this defeat, the Order has turned to offering their protection to any trade ships leaving Pascae or Langlish ports in return for a small fee. Of all the Orders, they are the most openly tolerant of foreigners and continue to campaign for international efforts to root out piracy which has resurged in recent decades.

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OH SHIT KNIGGA!

>>3894083
Welcome back

>>3894083
[Captain Canton intensifies]

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Knights Medicas
Founded by Queen Vespira, a widely beloved Mater Reginae in the early 5th century, the orders creation was for the purpose of protecting travelling healers and apothecaries that until then relied solely on the Knights Comitas for safe passage throughout the nation.

It is one of the smallest holy orders of knights in the realm, numbering less than a hundred souls, but by far the most beloved of the common folk. It is rare indeed that a knight wearing their distinctive white/green cloaks is not welcomed with open arms by any passing village in return for tending to their ailments. Full members of the Knights Medicas must be proficient healers in their own right, bringing medical aid and succour to those dangerous areas of the continent where folk have little options other than the unschooled hedge wizard or local soothsayer.


Ordo Praetor
One of the oldest orders in existence, reformed under the guidance of Brother Adam’s first acts of statesmanship. Ancient and prestigious, though fallen far from their old station as the Lower Caste representatives in Ancient Cathagi. In times of antiquity the distinction between an armed follower of Adam and a lawgiver was non-existent in the turbulent continent of Cantôn. Magistrates and lawmen of all ranks carried a blade, for in those days the Law of Adam was tenuous at best even in the more populated regions. With the rise in power of the local feudal lords, the authority of the Order to dispense justice and root out corruption has been significantly curbed. Nonetheless they are empowered by the Church to carry out their own investigations or enlist local aid whenever a crime has been committed, and in rural areas this often means conducting the trial and passing sentence themselves according to local custom. Depending on the circumstances a local lord or bailiff that does not enlist the aid of a passing Praetor in an investigation and trial is to be held are considered suspect at best, complicit at worst. Learned senior members of this order are in effect Crown Judges with all the authority that entails. Such figures are a rare sight out in the provinces, commanding the respect and awe of bailiffs and lowborn keepers of the peace wherever they go.

Bringing charges against a member of the nobility is difficult for a member of this order, but not impossible. A writ of investigation or arrest warrant may be simple to procure for an insignificant noble out of favour with the Church, but an altogether impossible task for a powerful lord that enjoys good relations with the Order Reginae. When the King seeks an investigation outside of the Queen’s direct influence, the Ordo Praetor is often their only recourse for matters that require more subtlety than Royal Writ and more openness than the shadowy operations of the Queensmen.

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>>3894101
Really digging the sound of the Ordo Praetor, especially given Emiles love of the law and iron grip on honesty and chivalry

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Ordos Minoris
There are many other Holy Orders founded in the centuries of our great nations history. Some have risen and fallen with time, others raised in response to very specific threats or calls such as was seen in the unholy War of Three Sisters or to help establish the King’s Peace following the War of Borders. Not all orders have their own chapter houses, but most will nominate some location of significance to their order where meetings may be called and the various talents of its members forged into a single common interest for however long is necessary.

Other ‘In Nomine Adam’ orders may be general in their mission or unusually specific. In Western Aubres there exists an order of no less than a dozen knights whose sole charged is to protect the grove where Salve Reginae last rested with her son before he left to prepare for the siege. Another order with no central lodge is popular in Romaine where proper burial rites of slain deadmen are observed and encouraged wherever they travel.

Regardless of the purpose or shared vision of these minor orders, Adam-aligned orders will invariably be more idealistic than secular brotherhoods and have functions other than the purely martial leanings of their Cain brethren.

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Sir Emile Andrei wishes to become a soldier in the Almighty’s army. Although he has at times shown the righteous zealousness that befits a Knight of Cain, his sensibility and preference for the rule of law means that he will eventually attach himself to one of the Adam-aligned Orders.

You are currently many leagues from any semblance of civilisation, so this choice will confirmed at a later date and I will allow the option of it only being an affiliation for now. An affiliate is sworn to answer a call to arms that falls within the Orders remit (ie, an Order of Trident affiliate in port may be honour-bound to assist any Order ship outgoing to hunt pirates). Technically speaking, if you uphold your promise to safeguard the pilgrims during the entire journey you will be de-facto an associate of the Knights Comitas but you are by no means locked in by fulfilling this righteous Cantôn duty.

Sir Andrei’s initial interest in a Holy Order is….

>Knights Comitas

>Order of the Trident

>Order Medicas Initially as a protector of healers rather than a healer himself, I’d assume

>Ordo Praetor

>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]

I’m happy for anons to come up with their own OC adam-aligned Order. Even if it does not win the end vote I’ll give good ideas a nod and you might meet knights from said Order on the road. Keep in mind that these OC orders would be fairly small, no more than one hundred anointed knights within their ranks.

>>3894106
>Ordo Praetor

>>3894105
it smacks of Judge dredd to me but given the circumstances of certain events we have gained insight into it may be an interesting order to join.

>>3894114
I imagine there are definitely some Judge Dredd types who think the law as they see it is immutable and mistakes never happen but Emile seems like a pretty rational and even minded dude. I'd trust him to travel the lands and investigate wrong doings not that I am completely 100% bias or anything

>>3894114
You might even say it is the path to... Captain Canton

We need to create a OC order dedicated to feasting

>>3894098
>>3894097
>>3894095
>>3894085
>>3894084
Good to see you fellas

>>3894114
>>3894117

It would actually depend on the Duchy you were in, if you play it straight. In Fallavon you are basically Judge Dredd, even moreso than a local noble is to the peasant riff-raff. But in Pascae your hands would be tied, you'd rely on other investigators at least in part and a trial of peers so you're almost more Poirot than Dredd. Other Duchies would be somewhere in between. Look up the investigation following the murder of Duke Louis in 1407 Paris for a real-life example of how a more complex investigation might go. Add the Church red-tape in there and you have a lot more restriction than playing Judge, Jury, Executioner at your own whim.

>>3894123
Could there be an order dedicated to the hunt? seems a little frivolous unless there is a good reason behind it.

>>3894127
That'd basically be The Order of the Broken Blade wouldn't it? Aggressively hunt and kill all Foe etc

>>3894132
Well, we wouldn't eat the Foe. My man was talking about food. Knights is hungry work

>>3894135
Oh haha yeah not quite what I thought you were going for

>>3894106
>Knights Comitas
or
>Ordos Minoris
That I didn't thought about yet. Is there possibility to aim for creating our own small order of knights?

>>3894106
>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]

>Ordos Mysterium
a secretive order dedicated to combating threats to mankind of Fey and Arcane origins, often operating incognito they work to obtain such artifacts and occult works anonymously or through acts of espionage from the heretics of Cathaggi or the lords of Langland.

though their order maintains a low profile due to the stigma of Magic and the occult in canton society,those that know of them know them as consorters of Sorcerors and warlocks, hedge witches though that brings a certain stigma in canton many friends exist in foreign lands where the debasment of magic is embraced by Heathen foreigners and certain...... patrons have allowed the Order to maintain its secrecy.

See doctor strange or the works of H.P lovecraft for more

>Ordos Haeresis
In the Canton justice system, Theological based offenses are considered especially heinous. In Aubrey, the dedicated Knights who investigate these are members of an elite squad known as the Ordos Haeresis . These are their stories.

* Dun Dun *
warhammer Inquisitors if anyone actually takes this seriously

TLDR in priority

>Write in which I highely doubt will actually get traction
>Ordo Praetor
>Medicas
>Comitas
>Trident

>>3894117
well as forgotten said the further from civilisation we go the more the institution of justice struggles to bring justice to the world, it may be the path to Captain Canton but it can very easily lead one down the path of Dredd or even Batknight

my other concern is the playerbase gravitating towards a natural extreme as prince did or the refusal to embrace some level of hypocrisy, you know give em an inch and all that.

>Emile seems like a pretty rational and even minded dude

Yeah just remember that he almost killed Vancewell when he found out what he did, he's got a long way before he gets to hardboiled status

>>3894125
I'm curious is it possible to build a Sherlock holmes knight? player a dedicated Inspector knight character sounds like a fun whim.

>>3894106
>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]
Ordo Cibus
The order was established during the War of Borders by a cadre of charitable knights to distribute food to the displaced and impoverished. It reached its peak during this conflict but has since shrunk to no more than a hundred anointed knights, spread thin across Canton.
Members of the order eschew personal wealth in favor of charity and humanitarian aid, operating various establishments dedicated to helping the needy or organizing relief efforts to places struck by disaster. Knights are often accompanied by attendants and volunteers. They accept donations from the charitable
This is just a rough draft, pls tell me ur thoughts

>>3894150
Cock blocking shekel focus anons and copper clippers? You are one crazy matherfucker.

>>3894150
>Members of the order eschew personal wealth in favor of..

Hilarious, good luck

>>3894106
>Order Medicas
I actually really like this one. I thought Sister Ignatius was compelling and much more of an influence on Emile.

I know this will be really unpopular

>>3894150
I like it, wish i'd come up with it.

supporting as a write-in option in my vote>>3894148

>>3894106
>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]
Order of the Peaceful Rest
Born out of the fall of lost Ardenne and the conclusion of the War of The Three Sisters, at first glance the Order of the Peaceful Rest seems solely focus on combating the deadmen and the restoration of Romaine and while this is indeed amongst it's more visible goals, it's true objective it's the undoing of the unknown source of the deadmen and preventing a repetition of the lost of Ardenne. While mainly base on Romaine it's not strange to members of the Order elsewhere on Canton or even abroad persuing rumors of undead creatures or Black Ships with the dead for crews. There symbol is a sword halfway driven into the ground serving as a tombstone, a warning and promise to grant final sepulture.

>>3894160
>I know this will be really unpopular

I'm not so sure anon, honestly if Ordo Praetor doesn't win, Order Medicas would be my second preference

>>3894150
I could actually see this order out there in our travels. Well done FeastAnon.

>>3894167
Thanks anon. I'll make you a honorary Feast Knight for your kind words

>>3894157
well maybe it's not about giving up your wealth, but being willing to spend it on a good time for the benefit of others. Teach the peasants how to feast

>>3894165
English isn't my first language so please excuse any weird mistakes. My idea with this order isn't just as an undead fighting force but also focus on investigation their origin and preventing their spread elsewhere. Any suggestions and ideas are welcome.

>>3894171
>> Teach the peasants how to feast

Hi I'd like to sign up for todays learn how to feast class. Nah but that sounds like an alright order, not as extreme as I first thought

>>3894171
>The coat of arms is a chicken leg on a green field

>>3894165
I like it

>>3894165
>>3894173
It's a solid Idea but just too niche to really get traction considering player interests including a pilgrimage and the growning Queensmen/Kingsmen conflict, if we dedicated our existance to such an order we'd be stuck in the Romaine frontier all quest.

I'd consider growing its range of duties beyond simply that of maintaining the frontier against the deadmen.

>>3894185
To be fair though, Forgotten has previously said that at this point we don't have to be full on lifetime members absolutely committed to the Order. We can be card carrying associates and over time commit further to an Order.

Assuming I'm remembering correctly

>>3894187
you are remembering correctly I'm just stating that we would be in a very boring narrative position if we suddenly decided to join such a geographically stuck order, none of forgottens Donut steel options are in a similar postion to what anon proposed for that very reason.

>>3894200
Oh yeah I definitely agree with you

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor

>>3894200
>geographically stuck order
But it's not geographically stuck order. Anon clearly states that they travel and seek information in different parts of the world.

>>3894145
I will switch to
>Order Medicas
or this
>Ordos Minoris
>>3894165

>>3894185
>>3894200
That's why I included the part about persuing rumors of undead elsewhere. Like the Wodenaki we fought or the Black Ships from the pastebin looking into those rumors would be part of the Order's mission or even going across the sea to find some obscure text that refers to the undead before the War of the Three Sisters.

>>3894176
>It's actually a Rooster that's flying while on fire like a Phoenix rising from the ashes over a field of wheat with a setting sun in the background
Probably too much detail, but I like this idea of roast chicken with a vengeance.

>>3894213
>>3894209
I still feel the order as a choice is too niche but I'll concede that it's prehaps not as immobile as I first thought.

>>3894218
>Not gold arches on a redfield

>>3894221
That's too memey Anon. It's supposed to be fantastical.

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>>3894229
Fair enough. You should have added the name of the founder being Ronald for extra meme power.

>>3894232
not the King a coloonel of a far if land and a Domina of Carthaggi

>>3894236
We must go deeper

>>3894238
I'm tapped i've used my mememagic for the year

>>3894106
I'm gunning for more of an affiliate/sponsor role rather than devoted member of the order, so something like Order Medicas is good. But if Emile is commiting to the order, then I'd prefer Ordo Praetor.

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor
Welcome back Forgotten!

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor
Seems like it would fit Emile well. Also gives us an excuse to travel.

>>3894106
>Ordo Praetor
Given our sentencing of Lord Vancewell I think it aligns well with our cause, and Andrei would bring it upon himself to uphold the law very well.

>>3894106
Ordo Praetor
Nice this is back up

>>3894165
I do like this, would like to see it put into the quest

Been reading through this and totally looking forward to more.

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor

Hello Forgotten. It's good to see you back.

>>3894106
>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]

I think I have a great idea for a write-in OC order.

>The Order of Auxiliaries

>The Auxiliaries are an order dedicated to helping other holy orders with their duties in times of crises and need. For example, if the Order of the Knights Comitas loses most of it's members in a large raid or battle, the Auxiliaries will act as temporary substitute members until the Knights Comitas gets enough new fresh recruits. This keeps the damaged orders from being destroyed or disbanded as well as staying operational with the help of the Auxiliaries.

>The Auxiliaries are a small order on their own, but they provide great valuable help to the other weakened orders by temporarily joining them until they can get back on their feet.

This order would allow us to do missions for any Adam-aligned holy order as temporary members. Want to help protect pilgrims and holy sites as a Knights Comitas? You can do it as an Auxiliary. Want to help protect ships and fight off pirates in the sea as a Trident? You can do it as an Auxiliary. However, this is provided that the order in question is in need of the Auxiliaries' help.

>>3894106
>Knights Comitas

This has my support if the write-in doesn't get enough support.

>>3894106
>Order Medicas
>Ordo Praetor

I've been waiting for this to come back.

>>3894165
This sounds more like a Cain aligned order desu

>>3894106
>Ordo Praetor

>>3894106
>>Ordo Praetor

>>3894106
>Ordos Minoris [Write-in]
>Ordo Uno
There is only one knight in the Ordo Uno. He is the order's leader, the order's treasurer, and several other positions, but the most important thing is that he is the order's only member. To become a member, you have to kill the previous member of the Ordo Uno. The order's goal? To be the number one knight in the Canton. Not to be confused with the Ordo's rival order, the Ordo Solo, which is an Ordo dedicated to being the ONLY knight in Canton. Both Ordos were once part of the same Ordo called the Ordo Duo, but split due to idealogical differences.

>>3895652
fucking kek

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>>3894106
>Order Medicas
>Knights Comitas

>>3894106

>Ordo Praetor

Best match for Emile's personality

>>3895436
>>3894730
Didn't mean to vote twice, sorry.

>>3894106
>Ordos Mysterium

Yah know what? I kinda like this. Emile has already had some wacked out Fae encounters and been less than hostile to using the charm and sharing a meal with that outcast Fae, and honestly his experience with authourity figures has been less than reassuring.

Especially with his plan to go to Canton and be a Dragon Guard, there's an opportunity for learning *deepest lore*. Maybe even finding ways to combat the Deadmen and lay them to rest with magical faith. Is turn undead a thing?

If he goes Praetor, though, can he be a loose cannon who plays by his own interpretation of justice?

>>3895813
>Dammit Emille you're a loose cannon I want your shield and sword on my desk

>>3895819
>not loose trebuchet

>>3895819
> Emile brings a gunpowder weapon back from the Dragon just to be a literal loose cannon

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>Ordo Praetor, the brotherhood of Judges and Lawmen

Sir Andrei shows an interest in the ancient Ordo Praetor, a brotherhood of knights sworn to act as the instrument of law and order throughout the realm. Dispensing justice according to Church law and, where applicable, local regulations and custom, an associate of this order is sworn to assist a fully-fledged Justicar in their investigations where possible and offer their aid in apprehending suspects, presenting evidence and carrying out the sentence where necessary.

The order itself is divided on whether church or secular law takes precedence, and countless differing interpretations of the application of the law itself, but any full member will be required to study the codified laws of all the Duchies and notable cases before being empowered to call for and conduct their own inquiries and hearings without supervision. Some even study the foreign laws and savage customary dogma, but such interests are considered scholarly and rarely find use in any actual application.

I also really like some of these other ideas, so we will likely have the opportunity to interact with members of these organisations sometime in the future.

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>>3895848
Order uno confirmed

>>3895848
also if we join an order that's morally bankrupt can we leave it and do we choose another order or have to level up again

>>3895848
I sense the opportunity for some Path of Thorns here . . . Can we counter-sue alleged victims of alleged testicular cancer from allegedly "Fae" charms that were declared safe by the Church?

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Fenegan, 23nd Day of Ovrimun, 883 A.C.E. – Morning. In the uncharted heart of the Fallavon woodlands.

You have decided to trust your brother and share your information with him, hoping each can fill the other’s gaps. I will assume that you share the actual info you have, but the conclusions you draw can be different or merely hypothesised beyond the consensus that there is a Royal family feud.
You’re half-relieved to share the secret worries and suspicions you’ve been carrying with another, and half-worried that you sound like an utter madman.

You were never one for half-truths, or for half-measures. Deciding to trust your brother, you tell him everything. Of the murderous knight you met outside Grenoble and his wild claims of friends in high places, of the increased presence of foreigners on the road and their strange cargo, of the strange things you have noticed in your travels and what you think they could mean. When you tell him that Lord Alderauge sends his regards he recognises the name of the powerful Montbrun noble but swears he has never met or been in contact with the man before in his life. He suspects he is part of this faction within the ruins, or perhaps a wildcard looking to profit somehow. As for the name Vancewell, it means nothing to him.

Your elder brother’s year away from home has changed him. His face is gaunt and eyes hardened, his brow often furrowed as if bearing a great weight. The road has not been easy for you, but it appears harsher winds have fallen upon your sibling. The easy familiar grin you used to know well now comes out but rarely.

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>>3895850
We live in a Feudal Theocracy, "corruption" is built into the system.

>>3895850

That would be highly situational, so I'm afraid I can't give a satisfactory answer. If you renounced your associateship without reason that would be a blemish on your honour, if that helps. Abandoning your duties as an inducted full member would be worse.

But again, situational.

>>3895848
AAAAUGH! We missed the chance to join the ordo KRS, Kingdom Revenue Service! We could have been the bane of all copper clippers, investigating their tax returns and I'm not actually sure what else they do but honestly that one thing would be sure to strike fear into the hearts of all those who keep coin.

>>3895857
FUCK

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>>3895848
NICE JUSTICE!

I like that we'll see some of the write-ins in the future

>>3895852
Ahh, class actions... Canton will never be the same.

The Ordo Praetor is more concerned with crime and civil matters are a local issue. That said, Church law actually covers a lot of highly specific civil matters regarding dispensation of land and the age-old 'buying' penitence by leaving land to the parishes upon your death. I'm about to ramble on, so I'll stop myself there until you avail yourselves on learning more.

>>3895854
Preach, comrade

>>3895857
>Canton tax service

Bane of copperclippers and Shekel knights everywhere

>>3895854
>>3895861
Help Help, I'm being oppressed

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”So it’s true then. These new soldiers working with the Order of Names are Queensmen. They’ve done wonders to curb the mercenaries hunting parties that snatch scores of slaves and prize monsters, regardless of race, and bring them back to the ruins.” Your brother scowls, a disheartening sign of his rebel sympathies. ”As you can see from the treatment of Tom and his men, they’re no friends of ours. Since their involvement, the ‘understanding’ between the Order of Names and Bluejays has been thrown from the top of a keep and found a harsh landing.”

”That the Order Reginae is here in force cannot be denied. I heard the Queen’s First and Third herald plan their attack for the day after the morrow with my own ears. The Langlish mercenaries and the local riff-raff holed up in the ruins are a different matter. I suspect, from the actions of my guide, they were the ones who tried to have me killed.” You hesitate before your next words, well aware that even speaking them could be construed as treason. ”I thought it the work of the Vancewells, possibly with the blessing or even backing of the Duke Montbrun himself but… I fear that the plot may stretch to the Royal Court itself.”

”The Crown Prince?” The blood could not have drained faster from your brother’s face than if he’d been stabbed and bled out. ”Reginae wept… I thought it was a renegade faction of Montbrun nobles… What in the Pit are you doing out here… are you sure?”

You shrug, admitting it’s little more than hunch. ”I was hoping you would fill the gaps, brother. What happened last winter?”

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>>3895864

”It was an early winter, I remember. I was on my way home from the Duchess’ court when I came across a caravan of miners travelling west. Odd I thought, to be heading away from Montbrun but they seemed cheery enough and those mountains aren’t the only veins of precious metal to be found. We decided to join them at camp that night… Reginae wept, it’d have been all so different if I’d just decided to press on to Grenoble.” Your brother’s haunted expression speaks volumes. The burden of command, the weight of the loss of his own retinue resting heavy on his shoulders. ”They came in the dark. No demand for surrender or show of force, my men-at-arms were cut down in a flurry of crossbow bolts along with dozens of the miners and their escort as we stumbled from our sleeping bags. Men wearing masks, too well armoured and trained to be common bandits. They cut down caravan guards and unarmed miners alike, begging for their lives. They slit my squires throat when he tried to yield. I… I ran. Pit damn me but I didn’t even hesitate or think. I just ran. I don’t know how long I wandered out there through the snow in the dark before I stumbled into the Grenoble town gates…”

Your brother tells you that he tried to appeal to Lord Norveski for his assistance in establishing an independent investigation, as the attack had occurred on the edges of his lands. He was unsuccessful, though he was shaken by the experience admits he must have sounded half-mad. Still, the outright refusal to even investigate shocked him. A man he calls ‘the Tailor’ approached him in the streets after his audience with Lord Norveski on behalf of interested parties, offering him sanctuary in return for information.

”Truth to be told, I owe him my life. The Tailor offered me shelter in the outskirts of Grenoble and warned me when armed men came into town asking questions and bearing the Queen’s seal. I knew then I wasn’t an unfortunate bystander anymore, I was a witness. A loose end drawing attention to something bigger.” Damien shakes his head ruefully. “My new friend, he could have turned me over. He had his own reasons for not doing so, I’m sure. But he risked his life to get me in with his rebel contacts and from there I joined them heading north. The rebels promised that the attack on the miners and my men was linked to all this somehow. I’ve been with them since, earning my place and helping ambush these mercenaries hunting parties. With the Order of Names out in force now, and the involvement of the Order Reginae confirmed… well we’ve gone from hunter to hunted pretty damn quick.”

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>>3895878

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”We?” You say, a warning tone in your voice. ”Brother, you’re not a rebel. Whatever this is…”

”Whatever this is… I can’t make heads nor tails it… But the people living in this forest, human or otherwise, they’re bystanders in all this. Victims. I can’t let them suffer while I save my own skin.” Your brother whispers shamefully. ”Not again.”

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Please note that, unlike your testimony at the trial of Sir Vancewell, your answers here will not affect an immediate subsequent roll. I am merely hammering out some of the theories you and your brother discuss. This may impact on your assumptions going forward, but they are obviously subject to change in light of new evidence. Some of you have come close to unwrapping the conspiracy, while others have been entertainly well of. While it’s not necessary to nail down IC every theory, below are some key ones that I’d like to see where people stand on in this point in time.

(1) The Tailor
>You know who the Tailor is. [Who? And (bonus points) who they work for]
> You do not know who the Tailor is.


(2) Who are the encampment forces working for?
> The forces within the encampment are acting under the orders of Her Majesty the Queen, Mater Reginae. [Auto-selected due to the evidence garnered from your daring infiltration of the camp]

(3) Who are the forces in the ruins working for?
> Foreign powers. Cathagi or Langland, perhaps both, gathering support with disgruntled nobles.
>Foreign powers. Doubtless the Fae cannot resist meddling in the affairs of Man for long.
>Domestic powers. Disgruntled Cantôn nobles, likely from a Montbrun faction.
>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.

(4) Who attacked the miners? And (bonus points) why?
> Operatives of the Order Reginae.
>Operatives of the opposing rogue faction.
>An unknown third party.

(5) Lord Alderauge: “I saw a white cub last winter. It had a coat of gold and black by the old river mill.”
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Vancewell is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Vancewell was hunting your brother.
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Vancewell is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Vancewell was protecting your brother.
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Alderague is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Alderauge was hunting your brother.
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Alderague is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Alderauge was protecting your brother.
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. ‘A coat of gold and black’ refers to another party, as yet unknown to you.

(6) What else is connected? Does this new information shed any fresh light on your understanding?
> [Write-in]

getting my first post of the thread sorted

welcome back op

>>3895883

So thats another piece of the puzzle I didnt know existed. It was a targeted hit, not just the depraved act of scum.

>(1) The Tailor
>>You know who the Tailor is. [Who? And (bonus points) who they work for]
John the Tailor, the poor fellow who was killed with his family by the dastardly scion of house vancewell.

He actively avoided the queensman and was killed by the vancewells. So he would belong to a 3rd party. Considering that Lord Alderauge figured out where our brother was despite being on the opposite side of the realm, he was probably one of his? And perhaps by extension an agent of the King.


>(2) Who are the encampment forces working for?
>> The forces within the encampment are acting under the orders of Her Majesty the Queen, Mater Reginae. [Auto-selected due to the evidence garnered from your daring infiltration of the camp]

>(3) Who are the forces in the ruins working for?
>>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.

>(4) Who attacked the miners? And (bonus points) why?
>> Operatives of the Order Reginae.

Oddly, I believe that it might not have been the disgruntled nobles. That they were heading away from the Montbrun means they might be a party despatched by those nobles and the order reginae attacked them and then came after our brother to close up loose ends. After which the vancewell came in to figure out what happened and tortured/killed John for information.

>(5) Lord Alderauge: “I saw a white cub last winter. It had a coat of gold and black by the old river mill.”
>>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Alderague is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Alderauge was protecting your brother.

>(6) What else is connected? Does this new information shed any fresh light on your understanding?
>> [Write-in]

>>3895883
1
> You do not know who the Tailor is.

3
>>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.
4
>> Operatives of the Order Reginae.
miners were for unearthing whatever's in that ruin and they were destroyed because of that no witnesses is the reason they killed them all.
5 no idea
6no idea

>>3895907
>John the Tailor, the poor fellow who was killed with his family by the dastardly scion of house vancewell.

ooh I hadn't realised that possibility but it feels a bit loose top props though anon, so what? Sir Vancewell are queensmen/kingsmen and only claimed otherwise in hopes of protection or Sir and Madam Vancewell were in seperate camps?

>So he would belong to a 3rd party.
My bet is Bluejay sympathiser which has implications for his Burgher friends in Grenoble.

>>3895883
(1) The Tailor
>You know who the Tailor is. [Who? And (bonus points) who they work for]

John the Tailor who was slain in Grenoble by Vancewell, if someone can put forward a better theory I'll support that

(3) Who are the forces in the ruins working for?
>Domestic powers. Disgruntled Cantôn nobles, likely from a Montbrun faction.
>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.

one of the Regional Dukes is in enough trouble to have his right to title threatened and is willing to engage in slavery to finance an operation that will keep him in his position.

(4) Who attacked the miners? And (bonus points) why?
> Operatives of the Order Reginae.

Our brother is explicitly wanted by queen mandate weither this is some machivellian scheme to place blame on her is currently unknown, what we can say is that those miners were connected to whatever mining operation that is now using slaves, our brothers involvment in the intrigue as a witness is prehaps what led to the operation going ''dark'' and switching to slave labour.

(5) Lord Alderauge: “I saw a white cub last winter. It had a coat of gold and black by the old river mill.”

I've got ditto unless some pertinent questions about the geo-political situation of Montbrune or Favallon can be answered.

WAIT

Lady Vancewell is engaged to the Marquis of Favallon this is a massive boon to the Vancewell family as a familal alliance with a duke could establish a threat enough to press a claim to some right to the title of Duke of Montbrune IF the Vancewell family possesed some claim to it, considering how smitten the Marquis is with lady Vancewell he would likely be more than willing to press even the most teneous of claims the family possess against the existing Duke.

another terrifying prospect is the resulting union of them would potentially have claims to Montbrune AND Favallon if speculations holds true

WE NEED TO SUBSTANTIATE THIS

>(6) What else is connected? Does this new information shed any fresh light on your understanding?

The tarrifs raised in Montbrune are doubled, the implication is a strain on current incomes being significant enough to neccesiate such a steep increase on taxing trade

The butchering of the Tailors family implicates the Vancewells as Sir vancewell could be very well attempting to track our brother, although his attempt to bring Lord noverski into some intrigue suggests he was investigating the miners as well...

>>3895883
>>3895883
(1) The Tailor
>You know who the Tailor is. [Who? And (bonus points) who they work for]
John Tailor, the man murder by Sir Hast Vancewell. And worked for Lord Alderauge who is a sympathizer or at the very least has contacts with them.

(2) Who are the encampment forces working for?
> The forces within the encampment are acting under the orders of Her Majesty the Queen, Mater Reginae. [Auto-selected due to the evidence garnered from your daring infiltration of the camp]

(3) Who are the forces in the ruins working for?
>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing
With foreigners mercenaries of course.

(4) Who attacked the miners? And (bonus points) why?
>Operatives of the Order Reginae.
The miners probably had or stumbled on information relating to whatever is in the ruins or the location of the ruins themselves. Maybe they were originally hire to come the ruins to excavate whatever there is inside. The Order Reginae was operating the "No evidence and no witness." that the Queen order relating to the ruins. Still we should look more into this.

(5) Lord Alderauge: “I saw a white cub last winter. It had a coat of gold and black by the old river mill.”
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Alderague is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Alderauge was protecting your brother.
Our brother was just unaware it.

(6) What else is connected? Does this new information shed any fresh light on your understanding?
The Prince granting letters of passage to foreigners to hunt monsters. He did so to conceal the true mission of the Free company in the ruins, while at the same time letting other groups of foreigners on legitimate hunts enter Canton to make false trails for his enemies to follow.

Everyone remember to check the pastebin, maybe you will see something the others didn't.
https://pastebin.com/HW6tG7TW

>>3895883
Shit alright, this wont be easy to put together. I think I'll wait until tomorrow to see what others have put forwards and then back something or make my own vote

>>3895952
Support

The Tailor is John Tailor theory makes sense. It always puzzled me why Hast decided to murder some random commoner while on an important task.

>>3895938
>The tarrifs raised in Montbrune are doubled, the implication is a strain on current incomes being significant enough to neccesiate such a steep increase on taxing trade
Is that IC knowlege? Can we use it?

>>3895952
I think this one takes it

>>3895952
This seems pretty well reasoned. I'll support it

>>3895996
I'm going to treat it as admissable evidence until told otherwise by forgotten as its from POV the players are privy too.

>>3895952
>And worked for Lord Alderauge who is a sympathizer or at the very least has contacts with them.

Bluejay sympathizer or with contacts with the bluejays. Bluejay part got cut.

>>3895989
Yeah he is vicious but not stupid

>>3895989
Greed, perverted lust, complete blackhearted villiany who can say?

Probably his sister but good luck cracking that egg without an ace in the hole

>>3895883
>(1) The Tailor
He is John Tailor most likely

>(3) Who are the forces in the ruins working for?
>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.

(4) Who attacked the miners? And (bonus points) why?
Order Regina. It probably was related to whatever is being dug up in the ruins.

>(5) Lord Alderauge: “I saw a white cub last winter. It had a coat of gold and black by the old river mill.”
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Alderague is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Alderauge was protecting your brother.

>>3895883
>> You do not know who the Tailor is.
> The forces within the encampment are acting under the orders of Her Majesty the Queen, Mater Reginae. [Auto-selected due to the evidence garnered from your daring infiltration of the camp]
>Domestic powers. A faction of Cantôn nobles, possibly with Royal backing.
> Operatives of the Order Reginae.
>Damien Andrei is the White Cub. House Vancewell is the ‘coat of gold and black’. House Vancewell was hunting your brother.

>>3895861
Sooooo . . . Nobody expects the Canton Inquisition? We gonna accuse some old landowners as witches so we can confiscate their land?

>>3895907
>>3895883
This sounds about right to me. There was especially something sketch about those miners. Cheerful miners? Not a thing. Mining fucking *sucks*.

Why don't we ask Damien to give us a physical description of the Tailor?

>>3896243
That's a great idea

>>3895952
This one has my support

>>3895952
Supporting this for now

>>3895952

Supporting this

>>3896243
Support.

Other things to consider:

- What is the Order of Chains?

- Lord Alderauge raising the rates for the toll through Saint Gabriel’s Törwatcher Gate, and news that a New Prime Serpent was threatening it somehow (despite it never falling).

I just notice that the quest is 1 year old, congratulations Forgotten your baby has being going on for one year.

>>3897179
Happy Deus vulting Forgotten~

>>3897171
>>3897179
Wow, it's been a whole year?
I can't even remember what I was doing a month ago let alone a full year.

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>>3897179

>>3897179
it's seems like only yesterday we were a brash bold knight fighting beastmen on our first adventure.

>>3897159
>Order of chains

Too little information to form anything beyond a basic theory.

>raised rolls

Makes me believe Alderauge is involved in our brother misadventures either as friend or foe.

>>3897233
Why don't we ask about the Order of Chains here?

Also about the raised tolls?

>>3897233
Sorry, Jean knows about the raised tolls. But Emile knows about the Gate being said to be under threat.

Speaking of OoC knowledge, the greater host of the goat beastmen that we fought on the kingsroad are probably nearby. There was that short dialog between Craven and another beastmen where they decided on coming up here to speak with the Fae in a previous thread, can't remember which one right now.

>>3897261

Found it. Thread #6:

>"This cost him his warrior's lives as well. A third of our fighting number, Ugnort. Gone." Ugnort said nothing, only watched as Craven's eye flickered across the green grass of their part-time home. It had been good here on this Man-border, even during Time-Of-Snow. This region had offered cover enough from the treeline, hunting was plentiful so they did not need to resort to the risky business of pillaging too often. Even then, seldom patrolled, his tribe had been able to pilfer, loot and scavenge more than what they would usually get away with. No more, not after this. According to the survivors, it was Men-In-Iron that killed their brothers.The Men-In-Iron skins would come to hunt them, Ugnort had no doubt of that. The Men-In-Iron always came. Craven spoke, his decision final. "We go to Woods-of-Spirits. Fae help, give shelter. Tribe safe."

>"Is that wise?" The Fae could be capricious. Their people may find food and shelter yes, but the Fae never gave such things without expecting something in return. That something was almost always blood, one way or another.

>Craven stormed away without answer, his back turned to the hanging tree with his warriors draped from it. Ugnort remained, wondering what to tell their she-mates. Although the First Folk were occasionally reminded of the cruelty of Man, Ugnort suspected that Craven never forgot. Craven seldom forgot, or forgave, anything.

>>3897249
>>3897251
I highly doubt our brother knows anything about them

Yes mobile posting is shit and auto correct fucked my post, as I've said before unless forgotten says that Tracker jeans POV is inadmissible as to our understanding I'm going to operate under the assumption we can use it.

>>3897272

One other thing I noticed rereading what our brother has said:

>>3895878
> The rebels promised that the attack on the miners and my men was linked to all this somehow. I’ve been with them since, earning my place and helping ambush these mercenaries hunting parties. With the Order of Names out in force now, and the involvement of the Order Reginae confirmed… well we’ve gone from hunter to hunted pretty damn quick.”

Damien doesn't explicitly state that they've been ambushing the Order of Names scouts, rather that they were going after the Langlish mercs. We should clarify with him if they've been killing the OoN scouts that have been coming down here, because when we were eavesdropping on the Heralds, they mentioned that they have heard no word at all from their scouts in this area. Now, this could just be the Bluejays being extremely thorough, or it means that another group, possibly the Fae/Beastmen, is operating in this area.

Just something to have clarified.

>>3897278
Wait... why exactly would we be allowed to use Jeans POV? It makes no sense that we - as Emile - would know anything she's seen or heard unless we were told or there for it. Seems a bit meta to use that in putting together plots etc

>>3897278
Emile read about the Gate being in trouble in a letter, right before the Tracker Jean post. He also has an interest im learning it this unrest will affect his caravan investment. That's not OOC.

>>3897301
> Having done as best you can to recreate a makeshift map and recite the most essential pieces of information regarding your expedition, an uncharacteristic academic curiosity keeps you glued to your desk as you read an eclectic leftover of firsthand accounts from Rangers as far afield as the Watelands, Tempest Isles and Everwarm Waters.

> According to reports from the Wastelands already 2 years old, another ‘Prime Serpent’ is quashing rival broods and threatening established settlements. Little wonder that Tracker Jean was reluctant to make the full trek to Freetown. The author’s concern that this new Prime could threaten the Törwatcher Gates is absurd of course, no Törwatcher has ever fallen to an outside force in history of the continent. But it’s not impossible that this Prime Serpent would threaten trade in the area and make some attempt of a siege.

>>3897282
Emile was just reading about it. Thread 13, post 3807401

>>3897302
Fair point, my mistake

>>3897278
Our brother is part of the rebels, and since we were suspicious of the Gate being closed for the reasons stated (Ssssssserpents) it's possible it's related to whatever internal fuckery is going on with the Nobility.

>>3897305
No worries. I forgot the increased tolls being from Jean's PoV first which confused things.

>>3897306
It's almost guranteed that the tolls raised is part of one Intrigue or another the more we learn the more I'm convinced its not one intrigue fueling the coming conflict but many smaller ones feeding into it.

>Our brother is part of the rebels
yes but even with his association with them they have not made him privy to everything going on and he knows less than they do on at least some issues they are keeping close to their chest.

I just realized we don't know why both lord Alderauge and the Bluejays refer to our Brother as white cub.

Maybe lord Alderauge has spies within the Bluejays or is a secret supporter?

>>3897320
House andrei's device is a white bear.

young bear = cub.

Therefore, white cub.

>>3897324
yes but they both refer to him as such in code.

I swear Im not paranoid

>>3897317
Doesn't hurt to ask though, especially since we have the contact with Lord Alderauge already.

>>3897327
we have a contact with Alderauge? if you're referring to Tracker jean until we get another update we can't be sure of that I have a bad feeling about what she's going to happen to her

also might not be anything but I remember something we learnt from Mademoiselle Sinclair

>House Hewitt just came into a bit of wealth recently so I don’t think he’s necessarily chasing prize money
>my cousin… he mentioned something about new trade goods in the Pascae ports and that… Hewitt’s family… trade

now this is just a theory but I'm betting if we went to Pascae and looked into this we would find things aren't quite on the level with house Hewitt's new trade, it could be slaving, it could be they were the middle men for contracting the Langlish mercenaries.

>>3897326
See

>>3895952
>>3896049

Lord Alderauge is a bluejay sympathizer or more likely has contacts with them because that's what men in power have.

>>3897352
Lord Alderauge was the one who tipped us off about our brother.

>>3897354
>>3897358
right.

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You ask your brother to describe this ‘Tailor’ and his report confirms your suspicions. It’s the same man you found murdered by Sir Hast Vancewell in the outskirts of Grenoble, no senseless act of murder then. There was a deeper motivation, though it renders the massacre of the man and his family no less callous for all that. Your brother takes the news harshly, he obviously thought much of John Tailor. He is grateful you at least saw justice done.

”You think Sir Vancewell was doing the bidding of the Queensmen?”

“No, the opposite. He claimed to have the backing of the Duke and even the Crown Prince, and the Order Reginae was quick to act on his vulnerability when the opportunity arose.” You frown, recalling Sir Gilbern’s declaration that the sentence be carried out summarily before appeal. You wonder whether Sir Gilbern even cared whether the verdict was true or not. You hold no illusions that his comrades were behind the slaughter of the miners, and that may explain why the mercernaries ramped up their slaving operations. ”It’s clear both sides wanted as few outsider witnesses as possible, but this John Tailor acted on the behest of a third party. I suspect your nameless benefactor was Lord Alderague, which indicates that the Montbrun nobles are at the very least not united behind their Duke’s plot. And I have less and less reason to doubt Sir Vancewell’s claims of having the Crown Prince’s faction.”

”So we can guess who the mercenaries and their Cantôn friends ultimately answer to. But I’ve never met this Lord Alderauge.” It is Damien’s turn to frown. ”Why would the man’s agents look out for me?”

”I couldn’t speak to his motivations, but his actions indicate a third agenda. Maybe him alone, but if he’s used to speaking in riddles there must be some others he affiliates with. I think your rebel friends haven’t been entirely candid with you either.”

”No. The Crown Prince was behind their permission to operate in our nation, that is certain. But what better way to cover the build-up of foreign mercenaries than also permit the passage of those outsiders with more legitimate or self-interested goals?”

”But if it’s mercenaries that form the base of their manpower wouldn’t an alliance with Pascae make more sense?”

”That I don’t know. That House Vancewell, Duke Montbrun and likely others from the mountains are involved is certain. On Pascae’s alignment I’ve heard even less than rumours. The Romani lords like Grenoble seem to be happy to remain out of it, or pay lip service to the Queen. What is so urgent that the Crown Prince isn’t willing to wait out and see succession take it’s natural course?”

”Damn this conspiracy to the pit! Almighty knows, Emile. Every answer we claw from this web gives rise to two more questions, and the net seems to be getting wider and stickier as we go…”

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>>3897554

”I’ve always hated spiders.” You pause, remembering the Creeping Horror of Grenmire. ”Most insects, actually.”

”You said the Queensmen will attack the ruins the day after the morrow?” You nod, a guilty feeling that you might have withheld that information if you knew what your brother had planned. ”If they carry the day, they will put every one of those caught by the mercenary hunting parties to the sword.”
”Beasts, brother. Monsters. Foes of men.” You shake your head. You don’t like where this is going.
”Beasts yes. And some monsters too no doubt. Most of whom have never seen a human before, let alone done one harm.” Your brother gives you an admonishing look, just like he did whenever he caught you skipping out on tutors to play-fight with the other boys. ”The side entrance you came across, Sam Wyte has had his own eyes on it for a while. Too narrow for a large force use successfully, but a crack team of rangers together with our help could seize it. The attack will be the perfect cover for us to launch our own rescue mission.”

“Together. We. Us. Why in all that is holy would we help on such a damn fool mission?” Your brother sighs at you, your expression at his plan must speak volumes.


”The Order Reginae will slaughter everyone, Emile. Mercenaries, camp followers and every captive held inside there. Every damn soul, to keep their secrets. And they will shroud themselves in the garments of law and call it just. Does that sound just to you?” Damien’s question is sharp and demanding, by the Saints he sounds just like Father right now. ”With a little luck, we’ll be in and out before the Queensmen even know we were there.”

You snort. Luck is a fine thing to have, but battle plans are not drawn on the back it.

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”Despite all the secrecy and skulduggery, the Order Reginae is acting with lawful authority here. The Queen herself has decreed it so.” The measures are harsh yes, you can’t deny that. But the law is the law, you would never have thought in a hundred years that you’d consider openly defying it.

Father, as much as he distrusts the Church after the War of Borders, would never go as far as your brother is suggesting. You are certain that both rival forces squaring off against each other are the instruments of Royalty. To take up arms against the nameless denizens of the ruins is one thing, knowing this risks, but to risk the wroth of the Her Majesty’s own Order Reginae? Whatever your brother’s grievances, whatever injustice that has been done or oaths he has taken… this is… this is treason.

Isn’t it?

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> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

> “Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]


> “I would rather fall upon my own sword than see it raised against my Queen. Or even my King-to-be, for that matter.” Mater Reginae is the Head of the Faith, to defy her instruments is to defy the will of the Almighty. If you cannot convince your brother to abandon this folly, you are honour-bound to join Sir Gilbern and stand against him. [Idealist]

I have not included a choice to defect to the ruins camp as your path taken thus far has meant doing so would definitely not be in character. I have included ultimately siding with the Queensmen as an option because, despite Sir Andrei’s dim view Order Reginae conduct, he is a particularly pious knight and on good terms with Sir Gilbern the 3rd Herald. Defying the Queen would be tantamount to defying the Pope for a catholic knight in real life, though there are obvious differences. This is by no means an easy choice, think well before you vote.

This is, of course, a critical decision. 1 post ID without linking to a previous vote will not be counted.

>>3897560
>> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

Man fuck this whole mess. This intrigue and courtly plots are not our business and they're not our brothers either. He stumbled into this mess and got himself tangled up just as we are doing now. We need to go.

>>3896352
This is me.
>>3897560
> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

>>3897560
>> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

[Captain Canton intensifies]

>>3897560
>Write-in
"And I guess I should have expected no less, my brother. But promise me, if we go through with this folly, when this is done, you will make your way back home, with or without me.

Courageous sky knows this place now. I and mine will journey to join and offer our swords to the Queensmen. To join their assault and influence the attack. Once I have more details, my loyal hawk will send further word to you indepth so you would avoid the worst of the fighting and my presence will allow you some leeway should our forces run into each other at the ruins. Get in, rescue who you can and get out alive my brother. And I'll see you home when all this is done."

>>3897560
Fuck, missed It. I will vote on the next choice

>>3897560
>“Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

I think we should help as many people as possible here, not because it's a case of the greater good or the more valorous option but because protecting as many people as possible herein is the right thing to do

>>3897560
I hope we can all agree that
>join Sir Gilbern
Is fuckin suicide option

> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

But after this we getting the fuck outta here. We got one ticket to dragon guard maybe we would be able to get another for our brother.

>>3894085
>>3897611
Me

>>3897611
I think its our patriotic and knightly duty to see these conspiracies and plots out and not go AWOL to serve the Dragon.

>>3897560
>“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

>>3897560
> “Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]
This option feels the most in character honestly. Theres a bunch of noble intrigue shit we gotta think about, but at the end of the day, we just gotta beat the bad guys right?

>>3897560
>“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

The air of Canton is too pure to tolerate slavery, even that of beastmen. We may even get a chance to punish some slavers and get our hands on Sam Wyte.

>>3897560
>“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

>>3897567
Supporting adding this write-in with the first idealist option.

Damien and the Wytes are gonna go rescue the prisoners with us or with out us anyway. Let's make sure to do this in secrecy without either of our identities being revealed.

We should understand btw that our friend Sir Glibern doesn't like the ''kill everything'' order. The argument he had with his superior seems to indicate that. He'll most likely be glad to find out that the captives escaped so he won't have to kill them.

>>3897659
If you think the Reginate won't hunt down these rebels next you're delusional. Gilbern is not in charge

>>3897675
But I didn't say he was in charge? Just that he doesn't like the order and would be relieved if the captives escaped (presuming the Queensmen actually won the battle ofc)

>>3897682
>(presuming the Queensmen actually won the battle ofc)

Actually scratch this. I forgot the battle still hasn't happened.

>>3897560
>“Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

>“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

>>3897682
Nah, it could easy end with us having to fight the Queensmen to escape with our lives. Their orders are pretty clear "No witnesses no evidence", we can't expect to meet Sir Glibern before blood is spill or that he could be able to spare us. The less the Queen'smen about us being here the better.

>>3897696
I think you're misunderstanding me. I wasn't indicating that we should go meet Sir Gilbern. Obviously we and Damien should do this secretly to keep ourselves from being founded by either of the royal factions. I'm just saying Sir Gilbern will be glad if the captives escape before the end of the battle.

>>3897560
> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

>>3897560
>“Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, you

>>3897567
Supporting this too

If my ID changed, then discard my vote. My previous ID was this>>3896064 which is a 1 post ID, so it won't count.

>>3897560
>> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

>>3897753
Oh well

>>3897560
>> “Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

>>3897560
>> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]
Me
>>3896358

>>3897704
So you were just supporting the first part of the write in? Because the second part literally says to "offer our swords to the Queensmen"

>>3897806
Yeah pretty much

>>3897560
>> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

>>3897567
If we do all this and Damien is identified, captured or killed, the Queensmen will know we spied on them and we'll already be in their midst and easy to capture. They would definitely kill us.

> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

Abandoning people to extermination is an action I honestly can't fathom Emille possesing.

>>3897872
>>3897875

You're a new id anon.

>>3897899

I kinda agree. Picking haughty is insane. Damien cannot be persuaded to willingly come with us and leave the comrades he is indebted to behind. Trying to persuade him through a roll will rightfully end in an auto-fail. He will go rescue the prisoners regardless of whether we go with him or not. If we try to force his hand to not go, then he will resist and it will result in a fight which we will almost certainly lose. Remember that we're surrounded by a small army of Wytes. There's absolutely no chance we'd able to beat our brother unconscious and then fight our way through.

I also don't think it would be in-character for Emile to attempt to force his brother to not go by beating him. Damien will despise him for the rest of his life.

>>3897910
I mean either way whether we rescue the captives or not the Namesmen are still going to go after the Bluejays once the Reginates assault the ruins. Is he going to still insist on staying then?

>Virgin, serf to House Vancewell
Votes what he deems to be "in-character", meticulously tries to piece together clues
>Lord Chad of Thundercock
Picks "Audacious" every single combat round, even if it kills him

>>3897915
Given the cavalier attitude of the Langlish I don't think the battle has a clear winner yet also at least with the Namesmen the bluejays and beastmen will have a chance at survival instead of getting massacred.

>>3897915
I think the Bluejays are gonna change their hideout if they're discovered. They know they can't hope to win in a direct fight against either of the faction. The thing that Bluejays are the best at is being rangers. Even the Namesmen will have a hard time with pathfinding and tracking against them. They won't just sit around and wait for a bloodbath to come to them. The one thing that is assured however is that Damien will not hightail it and leave the Wytes to get massacred no matter what.

>>3897921
The ''chad thundercook'' option would be the hearty option my knigga.

>>3897929
The thing is how long is Damien going to stay for? If it's just save the captives and then we part ways with the Bluejays after that I can see more people agreeing but if he's going to stay for the long haul I can see why people are reluctant to get involved.

>>3897560

> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist

Here we go, at lest we gota make sure our bro dosnt die or this would have been for narthing.

>>3897949
I think Damien won't mind parting with the Bluejays once he made sure they're safe and repaid his debt to them. He will probably either go back to the Andrei lands or accompany us to Carthagi.

>>3897961
Yeah, if we help him get the prisoners out we can give him a clean break from all of this. Most of the prisoners might be beastmen but we shouldn't turn a blind eye to slavery because of that. Plus I really want some tangible evidence of the Prince involvement in this.

>>3897560
>“Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

> "But after this, Brother, you must leave these rebels. You have a duty to your home, and to Canton, that can be served in ways other than getting caught up with these murky struggles for power. Either join me on my pilgrimage or return home to seek atonement for our part in slaying what may still be good men doing *their* duty as best they can."

He wants our help, of course we'll give it. But in return we want him to stop this mucking about and do real good.

>>3897659
> Let's make sure to do this in secrecy without either of our identities being revealed.

> Offer to join the Queensmen

See, I don't get how telling them who we are and joining them will keep our identity secret. Not to mention that having someone pop up out of nowhere during a "no witnesses operation" isn't really conducive to getting hired so much as regretfully murdered to keep the secret. Not saying it's impossible, but without betraying the rebels it's some hard rolls and unless we end up killing ALL of them then it's quite likely our identity will leak out.

Not like we've been low key so far, what with killing Hast Vancewell, beating the fuck out of the Copper Clipper from House Hewitt, and crippling the Marquis Caspian Fallavon.

Like.

Please no. If we're going to oppose the Queensmen let's do it without them even knowing we were ever here.

>>3897560
>> “I would rather fall upon my own sword than see it raised against my Queen. Or even my King-to-be, for that matter.” Mater Reginae is the Head of the Faith, to defy her instruments is to defy the will of the Almighty. If you cannot convince your brother to abandon this folly, you are honour-bound to join Sir Gilbern and stand against him. [Idealist]

>>3897950
This is me, im normaly at work and posting on phone so id changes

>>3894680
>>3894705
This are both me as well.

Where did I say we should join the Queensmen? I support just the first part of the write-in if that's what you're talking about. I don't think joining the Queensmen would be a good idea. I'm with you on that we should secretly sneak up to the ruins preferably when the battle is raging to rescue the captives and leave with haste. The Bluejays like Jack Jehova are excellent at that sort of stuff.

>>3898036
>>3898049
I forgot to link by mistake sorry

>>3897560
> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

Just in case it has changed >>3895234

>>3898120
Though i'm honestly fine with either the idealist or the Hearty option as to me they both feel equally good.

>>3897630
Not at all

We are an honourable and deeply religious knight.

The idea that we would go against the wishes of the ‘Pope’ - siding with a band of heretics and traitors no less - in order to help our brother’s guilt is deeply out of character.

>>3898183
While we are certainly deeply religious, that doesnt mean that our beliefs and ideals go hand in hand with the church, after all official orthodoxy would certainly condemn Tom Freeman, but we chose to offer him mercy in a quick end.

>>3898183
I dont think thats the case, its not so much of guilt as more that we trying to keep our bro from getting killed,
Also people as voting for judge dread for the order which means we able to take down high born beening unlawful use of the laws. And besides no one talks about this, its not like the queen has openly told people we at war, then this would be differnt.

>>3898188
Exactly, it's the Order of Names and Order Regina who are acting in a grey area of their jurisdiction with their order to kill all witnesses. If we can avoid them and kill that treacherous dog of Sam their will not be anything to point at us or even to accuse us.

>>3898215
That we can escape legal ramifications through a technicality is not aligned with the values of a knight who pursued a noble to see justice done - or a knight who has joined the Ordo Praetor in order to enforce the laws of the King and Church.

We are not a plotter - we are loyal to both the church and state.

We have no business getting further involved in this conspiracy and to enable our brother’s one man crusade against the Queen is to invite doom to our family’s doorstep - while also marking us out as a duplicitous cur.

A man who speaks about enforcing the law and the importance of faith - but only when it does not hinder those in our family.

>>3898049
Oh, okay I thought you meant supporting

> I and mine will journey to join and offer our swords to the Queensmen. To join their assault and influence the attack.

Because even if we're just there as a spy, like, no. Just no. I don't want them to even see our face at all.

Freeing the slaves is a good idea though. Alsp starting a lot of fires.

>>3898234
There are slaves in that ruin, one could argue that the spirit of the law is to send them free.

>>3897560
> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

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>>3898183

Leonardo: The wisdom of our master

Chorus: (Regina)

Donatello: Taught us not to rush to violence

Chorus: (Salvae Regina)

Raphael: But the Salvae Regina

Chorus: (The Salvae Regina)

Michelangelo: SHE AIN'T HERE, DUDE

But seriously, does what they're doing sound like Salvae Regina? I disagree, sir.

>>3898243
Why did you wait until now to vote, yo?

>>3897560
Basically a mix of
>“You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?”
We should at least try to convince our brother that all of this is folly and will not only get him killed but possibly our whole family.
But if he persists
> “Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]
But this will be the only time we help him after this we will go our own way.

>>3898243
You have to link a previous id with +1 posts before this vote since you're a new id anon

>>3898242
Spirit of the law, perhaps - but not the letter.

A man tasked with upholding the law may interpret grey legal areas depending on the circumstances.

This is not one of these cases - we would be coming into direct conflict with the letter of the law through our actions.

If we were to follow our brother here and if our actions were to become known by others, we would likely be thrown out of the Order.

>>3898245
An interesting theological discussion for scholars - which we are not.

The Queen is the voice of the Almighty in this temporal realm and to act against her her laws or orders here is sacrilege - or even heretical.

If Anons want to that, they can.

I am simply trying to point out the weight of this discussion when it comes to our values.

>>3898246
Was thinking of developing a write-in, the other option is good enough though.

>>3898257
>This is not one of these cases - we would be coming into direct conflict with the letter of the law through our actions.

How? We get in kill some slavers, free the slaves and get out before either of the Orders get inside the ruin and see us.

I don't want to come into direct conflict with the Queen's men and while they have their special jurisdiction from the Queen I don't feel like presenting my neck or those of others to them because we happened to be at the wrong time and place. If we can help our brother spare a few slaves that fate I think we can more easily convince him that it's time to leave the bluejays.

>>3898257
I feel that Emile has shown himself to be mostly more concerned with the spirit of the law than the letter.

Like someone pointed out, we already violated the letter when we mercy killed that dude.

And while the Regina may be the incarnation of the will of the Almighty, she isn't the one we're fighting. We're fighting these men who are clearly doing wrong. Otherwise, why are they so desperate to hide their actions if it's the will of the Regina?

>>3898257
Also, opposition to the OFFICE of the Salvae Regina is canon.

Again, no true Cantonion would consider themselves as without need of religion or the Almighty's Guidance. But the degree of the authority of the Church, the exact level of doctrine to be accepted as gospel truth and what is left to interpretation, these are matters that each individual will vary on. The acts of the Faith are not in dispute, that is heresy, but the -meaning- of the acts and how they relate to a pious life is something that can be discussed without fear of being burnt at the stake. Or in these days at least.

Although the Queensfolk and Kingsmen are generally united, the chapters of Canton's history where they have not been in full agreement or even openly opposed have been bloody indeed. The War of Borders a generation past was one such occasion, the Queen's unique legal immunity from many Canton laws means her Order Reginae knights can be a powerful tool of both political support or subterfuge. Songs of the running battles within the Royal Palace itself between the King's Roigard and the Queen's Order Reginae, as royal husband and wife literally lay siege to one another's chambers, are the stuff of morbid legend.

Thank the Almighty that our land is blessed with a King and Queen very much in love with one another and whose interests align in every respect.

>>3898257
Also

>The Order Regina - Secular
Sworn to protect and serve the reigning Queen. Her peculiar position as technical head-of-church means that they answer exclusively to her, even in defiance of the King and Clergy. Demure Queens have used them merely as escorts when travelling, whereas more alert or ambitious Queens have used them as their own personal agents or strike force. Whether these clandestine missions with effective immunity from law were in the interests of the Kingdom or some personal agenda has often depended on the relationship between King and Queen. Thankfully our current King and Queen are by all accounts happily wed and deeply in love.

Note that the Order Reginae is specifically noted as "Secular".

>>3898279
>>3898276

What I get out of this is that while they might not technically be able to be held legally accountable for their actions, neither are we legally obligated to aid them in something that would be illegal - and we also don't share their immunity to said consequences.

Note: >>3898271

We wouldn't technically be coming into conflict with the Reginae, since they wouldn't be involved directly in such a vile act (indeed, they seem to be very clear on not letting anyone be able to connect them).

If we were found out to have been involved, we wouldn't get kicked out of the order Praetoris, we would instead get to live an exciting life of fighting off assassination attempts both of our life and career.

Now, we could close our eyes to what's going on here. Like we could have closed our eyes to the murder and rape of a family by the Vancewell Scion.

But that's not what Emile has done in the past.

>>3898257
Also try to rember we are not part of any Order yet as we havent meet any to join them, we still out in the woodsen so theres no way we can be thown out of an order we haven't joined.
The vote was for wich order we would join once we leave the woods.

>>3897560
>“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

>>3897560
> “You’re mad. This is the Order Reginae we are talking about. They’ll come after our family. Our kin. You want to see little Maryla put to the sword for your Pit-damned rebel friends?” You’re going to drag your brother away from this mess before he dooms you all, even if you have to beat him senseless and fight your way out of this den of traitorous rebels. [Haughty]

>tfw reading through the archives for the first time
FUCK you guys mishandled Jean

>>3899075
Yes, that was made quite clear at the time.

>>3899075
Welcome to the Potato Wagon knigga. Here's your customary potato and knife to peel said potato with.

>>3899075
Jean is a fucking tomgirl cowboy. A knight of noble blood like us shouldn't have any relationship with her at all.

>>3899093
Tomboy cowgirl rather, excuse me.

>>3897563
>>3897560

Changing my vote

> “Ah, hang it all. This was always going to end in a battle, wasn’t it?” Despite your better judgement, despite knowing no songs will be sung of this, you’re actually looking forward to a proper fight after all this traipsing through the woodlands. Must be that blood of Ursen. You care not for the greater plots at play, your sword will serve your kinsman. [Hearty]

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>>3899093
You mean any girl befor shes a wife, since you al voted for naver having sex thats not with a wife...

>>3899093
Rich, noble equivalent from another country, banging in bed.

Nah man, she didn't need some broke ass country Knight that wasn't bold enough to tell her to her face what he wanted and tried to half-ass it.

>>3899078
Abundantly so

>>3899081
Fuck yeah, but I'm only a third through the archives and I'll probably be back in a week

>>3899093
I don't give a fuck about the ho, you numbnuts shit the bed with fucking mustang pipeline. Caine damn it, that's retarded.

>>3899098
Nah, it said we can't be unfaithful or sire a bastard. That just means serial monogamy and the poophole loophole.

>>3898257
>The Queen is the voice of the Almighty in this temporal realm and to act against her her laws or orders here is sacrilege - or even heretical.

If her orders are the complete extermination of witnesses for no other reason than maintaining a theological secret then the righteous and goods only recourse is to object and disobey on the grounds of tyranny.

>>3899101
At least Hannibal turned out to be a fucking BEAST.

We gotta breed him with some Dragon Horses to get a new badass horse.

>>3899105
There's also a large variance in just how much authority she has over temporal matters, otherwise we wouldn't have the, you know, King.

And Emile has turned towards a less strict interpretation of the faith through the quest already. Using Fae runes, not exterminating beastmen theoretically. His faith is strong, but more true to the ideals of it than the law of it.

>>3899097
Fuck off weeb.

>>3899100
>Rich, noble equivalent from another country, banging in bed.

She has no pedigree or noble blood, her equivalent is a extremely rich Merchants daughter who is incredibly unorthodox in behaviour for a Canton knight.

>>3899112
Fucking MUSTANGS though. You faggots didn't even have to keep fucking her, you just didn't have to half-ass it. Fucking faggots, fuck.

>>3899119
well for the record I wanted it a clean breakoff its their was a clean divide in the voting base but it is what it is.

>>3899109
You know you're on 4chan, right?

>>3899119
Calm down man, not everyone agree with that decision and it was contentious vote.

>>3899125
>>3899128
I get it and what's done is done but all the same, it's just such a waste.

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> “To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” Almighty save you, you sound like a damn rebel. You will join your brother and the rebels in their mission to rescue the captives held in the ruins. And perhaps at last find what lies at the heart of this conspiracy. [Idealist]

You were raised to be a godly man, A good Romani man of faith, who pays the proper obeisance’s to the saints and follows the Book of Brothers as well he can. The Queen is the Almighty’s representative among the living, a splinter of the divine Salve Reginae ordained by the heavens to rule. But there has been precious little godly to be found in those that serve her. Sir Gilbern is a good man, you think, but he is not in charge. Even if he was, would you side with him and kill innocents at the shadowy Queensman’s command? Cut down your own blood in the name of Heaven? Pit take your soul, but you cannot. To walk away then, leaving your brother and his band of misfits to their fate? No. That is cowardice, and Father did not raise a craven.

”Salve Reginae grant me strength if my aim is righteous. And a swift, honourable end if I have stepped astray.” You whisper under your breath.

The only path left open to you is to fight. It is with a guilty relief that you realise this, for too long you have been skulking around these woods like a timid mouse. But is it the rightness of the cause or the prospect violence that excites you? You fear for your soul should you answer honestly. The instruments of the Church are not infallible, they are not incapable of wicked acts or base motivations.

“To the just laws, a righteous man must obey. To the unjust laws, a righteous man must defy.” You speak with a confidence you don’t feel, holding your sibling’s gaze. “Damien, brother, my sword is yours.”

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>>3899239

>Gained Companion: Young Lord Damien Andrei.
LOYAL. x3 Death’s Door 100% chance per day. +15DC, +40AV.
Brother-for-Life Mission Revealed The Heir of Ursen. Help your brother fulfil his oath by saving those creatures held captive in the ruins.

>Gained Archer Companion: JayJay (Jack Jehova) from Comrade Lockheed’s Band.
DISLOYAL. Will not risk his life for yours. +0DC, +10AV.
Infamous Archers: 50DC chance to hit. May re-roll. Doubles ignore armour.

>Gained Archer Companion: JayJay (Jack Jehova) from Comrade Lilac Widow’s Band.
DISLOYAL. Will not risk his life for yours. +0DC, +10AV.
Infamous Archers: 50DC chance to hit. May re-roll. Doubles ignore armour.

“Thank you, Emile. I know I’m asking too much of you. But I must ask it all the same.”

“That is such a you thing to say.” Rolling your eyes, before your tone turns serious. ”After this though, I’m sending you home. Or at least join me and stay out of trouble.”

”Fine, fine. Ah, home… I do miss it.”

Your explain the situation to companions your companions while the Bluejays gather. Mikail doesn’t understand why they’re helping rebels for now, and dan Marc undsertands but certainly doesn’t like it. They’re your men though, they don’t have to like it to do their duty. Steps are taken to conceal your identities, symbols are covered and proud colours stowed away. The task ahead is made easier with such base subterfuge, and that rankles you. At least you haven’t started wearing a mask… yet.

"We can get into a good position to strike at this side passage manned by the Langlish, but that’s a whole lot of good steel in a strong position. We’re going to take casualties, even if we wait for them to reinforce the main walls.” Sam Wyte the rebel leader himself explains to the gathered lieutenants and cronies. “Time we may have. Numbers, we don’t.”

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>>3899251

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”What about Root-Marries-Stone? He’s still a way out west, hunting those stragglers from the last expedition ambush. Or Queensman scouts, who knows. He and his pack would even those odds some.” Your brother leans aside to you as Lockheed continues speaking, explaining that they’re speaking of an infamous Fae marauder that has been conducting their own hit and run attacks.

”My lads have spotted the Outcast hanging around, so sure. She’ll lead us right to him if you can keep up. Maybe. If she doesn’t decide to show your some pretty flowers or piece of carrion instead.” Comrade Lilac Widow seems less than enthused by her fellow rebel’s suggestion. ”But that old wardog bites, even the hand that feeds I’ve heard. Times gone past he’s hunted us too on occasion to. Even if we find him, we’re hardly likely to receive a warm welcome.

”If helping us means the chance to kill even more humans, he won’t say no.” Sam Wyte grunts, but he still seems to be waiting on the rest of you to weigh in. It’s no chaotic democracy he runs here, but the floor is open.

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> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

> “The more the merrier. We are by far weakest participant in this deadly contest. Any advantage we can glean must be utilised to the full, however dubious the source.” You support seeking out this Fae splinter faction. [Hearty]

> “The Fae are notoriously treacherous, they cannot be trusted. We must work with what we have.” The prospect of taking up arms against royal agents is damning enough. You cannot condone siding with the Foe as the latest of your crimes. [Idealist]

>>3899254
> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

Timing and stealth will carry the day not numbers.

>>3899254
>> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]
'
We don't have time to be seeking out anything, time is of the essence here and we can not afford to lose more time than we already have

>>3899251
Why are both of the archer companions named JayJay?

>>3899254
>“We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

Is Root-Marries-Stone the fae wildchild that came to our camp or is this a different fae?

>>3899254
>> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]
If it comes to a situation where we actually need numbers it means the raid's pretty much failed.
Speaking of which wonder what happened to that Fae who was following us.

>>3899254
> “The more the merrier. We are by far weakest participant in this deadly contest. Any advantage we can glean must be utilised to the full, however dubious the source.” You support seeking out this Fae splinter faction. [Hearty]


With the Fae on our side enemy might not even learn about our involvement.

>>3899254
>> “The more the merrier. We are by far weakest participant in this deadly contest. Any advantage we can glean must be utilised to the full, however dubious the source.” You support seeking out this Fae splinter faction. [Hearty]

>>3899269
Oops, the Lockheed’s squad is supposed to be called Dennick.

>>3899254
>> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

>>3899254
>> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

I want numbers on our side, but would the fae be willing to go inside the ruins? Remember the fae kid that was with us didn't seem to like what's inside and stayed away.

>>3899254
> “The more the merrier. We are by far weakest participant in this deadly contest. Any advantage we can glean must be utilised to the full, however dubious the source.” You support seeking out this Fae splinter faction. [Hearty]

>>3899280
They would be saving they own kind, and Fae that was following us probably was just keeping away from large groups of people that were known for hunting them.

>>3899280
yeah it seems like whatever is hidden in the ruins if its not the men themselves that scare the fey away is not going make anything except the most murderhappy Fae keen on joining us.

also as I said before we haven't the time to be seeking out the numbers to help us.

>>3899267
wait why dont we have time again? weren't there two days left until the siege?

Also something to consider is that the Queensmen know already someone was spying on them which means they might actually push up the schedule for attacking the ruins.So me might actually have even less time that we initially thought.

>>3899293
Thats assuming they don't accelerate their plans which is almost a given since we got spotted in their camp and they'll assume we are a spy.

>>3899254
>> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

>> “The more the merrier. We are by far weakest participant in this deadly contest. Any advantage we can glean must be utilised to the full, however dubious the source.” You support seeking out this Fae splinter faction. [Hearty]

I'm torn between these two options. Getting more numbers would be a great advantage, but there's a chance we might lose precious time to formulate a plan. Are there any arm chair generals here? Can any of you anons develop a helpful strategy or tactic? Remember that we are not going there to win a battle. Our objective is to rescue the captives hopefully quietly and leave quickly.

>>3899299
The way I see it a smaller strike force is going to be able to get in and out faster, stealthier, and with less micromanagement. The more people we have, the bigger the chance of discovery early on in the attack and the more chances for things to go wrong. Overwhelming numbers would be excellent, but we can't hope to have that, so a smaller, sneakier, faster team dedicated to a single goal is the next best thing.

We also have to consider that whilst the attack was to come in 2 days, they caught us spying and may initiate it sooner out of panic. If that is the case, the longer we spend gathering extra party members the worse off we'll be exponentially even. By that point, getting caught with an extra squad of Fae folk would just mean a slower death. On the flip side, if we were feeling callous we could just them as a meat shield to cover our escape, leaving them to die for us. I'm not so sure we'd be able to pull that off considering our company (and they could always just decide to do the same to us).

In the end I think we should move rapidly. Get there as soon as possible, under the cover of dark if at all possible and get things started and finished as fast as we can.

Thank you for coming to my TEDtalk

>>3899254

> “We cannot hope to even the odds against us with numbers. A smaller strike force will serve as well as a large one for our purpose.” Your objection to seeking out this Fae rogue is more practical than theological. The time is better spent preparing your attack. [Haughty]

So it’s the Fae that are ganking the queensmen/OoN scouts around here.