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"Us?" Rath echoes, confused. "Uh...no, she's my Aunt. She's in a Forgebody, and it uses the Cores to function. Francine made it."

There's a shudder that runs through Tailor's taught form, and you're not sure whether it's one of disgust, alarm, or...

"imustspeakwithfrancinemoremuchmorethenihavesomanyquestionsiamfilledotburstingwithqueriescanyouanswersomeofthemofcourseoyucanyou'reherniecepleasetellmeibegofyouineedtoknowhowitall..."

...excitement.

Tailor's on your friend in an instant, mask shoved in Rath's face as the other girl's practically humming with anticipation, assailing your brawler with endless questions. Rath looks to you for help as you stifle a laugh, taking in the sight for a few moments more before you intercede.

"Tailor, you said you wanted to help, right?" You say, prompting the Artisan to halt her barrage as Rath shoots you a grateful look. The wiry girl nods rapidly, and you gesture to the Forge; "What can you make, exactly?"

"imaginationistheboundary, asrigidormalleableasyoumakeit." Comes Tailor's obtuse reply, her head cocking to the side with the sudden creak of a rusty hinge. "yousaidyouwereleavingsoonwithyourfamilyyes?"

You nod, resisting the overwhelming urge to flinch when the girl's neck snaps to the opposite side with a nasuea-inducing squelch.

"forgingisbettingwithyourlife, andsinceyourfriendheretoldmethatyouallsharebiomassthenyou'rebettingwiththeirsaswell" Tinker says with a solemn tone, her flow of words slowing down as much as she can manage in her current state. "thingareafootintheFleshscape. thingsthathavelearnedtowalkthatoughttocrawl."

Tinker Tailor's words hang in the air, the orange glow of the Forge casting the smoky glass of her mask in a pallid light.

"youhavemyhelpandmyskillsatyourdisposal, butifimayofferonesmallpieceofadvice..."

>>HIGH CHANCE OF RELIC STAT BOOSTS AND EXTRA EFFECTS DURING THIS SESSION, WHICH WILL BE ROLLED POST-CONSTRUCTION/DUPLICATION.

"...choosewisely,Defiant."

>>FORGE: Craft from a list of both known and new Relics. LIST: https://pastebin.com/nh57cU41

>>FREECRAFT: Propose Relics to craft, and OP will reply with BIO cost/proposed balancing.

>>REPLICATE: Invest BIO into any construct you have available at a cost of 10x the normal BIO needed to craft it, granting it a form that takes up no slots and will persist until it is destroyed or dismissed by you.

>>DUPLICATE (1/Vein): Choose a Tier 1 or 2 Relic to replicate at no cost. Tier 3 Relics may be copied for 1/2 their base BIO cost.

AND

>>Stick around for the Forging process and talk with Rath and Tailor, the latter of whom you're rather curious about after what she said regarding the 'songs of the Cores.'

>>Leave Rath and Tailor to their fun, while you go speak with [Select Ally of your choice].

>>While the two of them work on the Forge, you have marching orders for your allies. Once you all have new Relics in hand, it's time to move out [Select Teams, Relic Loadout, and Destination(s)]

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, I do hope your weekend went well. Voting shall remain open for the next five hours, allowing me time to address your questions and make any adjustments that are needed to proposed Relics on the front end if need be. Best of luck, and it's good to be back.)

>>4038287
Did we already REPLICATE some constructs for Laoc like we proposed to Jeraha, or do we need to do that still?

>>4038303
(You'd need to do that, still. Also, you have 300% BIO of each type as a gift from Jeraha.)

>>4038312
Okay, then. Well, at ten times normal BIO, it's probably better to use the REPLICATED constructs as scouts and watchdogs than as combatants. Can we network them together, get them all coordinated and relating what they see back to a source? Maybe the broadcaster in City Hall? I'm thinking forty basic Swarmlings, total cost 400% Hive Mistress BIO, to fly around the outskirts of town and report on anything coming close. I'd like to throw some Sonic Jacklings in for wide-scale tremorsense, but each of those would cost as much as the entire rest of the drone flock.

>>4038287
hrm.... im up for suggestions, and do have one myself, but whati certainly want to do is...

>FORGE;
>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>Membrum Automata
>>Ventrem Lanceam

Id also not be agaisnt upgrading the Hydras Heart and Cursas Alas, but doing both would also lock them to a character. not that im agaisnt that, but we would need to decide on who then. the Cutis Tractus i want to wait on, as i dont think Julia will need it, but i do want to leave it with her, just incase, i just dont think she'll need it so badly as to upgrade it right now.

the Membrum Automata, i think will actually be devastating in Ginas Hands. with her ability to go underground so readily and hit from any angle, i think she could make superb use of it.

the Ventrem Lanceam would be fucking baller as an opener for Dorian or Rath, but mostly Dorian.

SUGGESTION;
>GoreGrowth Box
unsure on this. it has a pretty hefty drawback, but would certainly help with our issues of trying to get some abilities up and with level spread a bit.

>Hearth Rod
honestly, mostly just because why not give Amara a gift? but unsure its really necessary.

also, i feel like theres alot missing compared to what folks have made. guess people haven't been logging their relics?

Also, one more Relic i want to make incoming, but need BHOPS oversight and thoughts on it first as its new.

but for the other Action;
>>Stick around for the Forging process and talk with Rath and Tailor, the latter of whom you're rather curious about after what she said regarding the 'songs of the Cores.'

>>4038290
>>4038329
new Relic idea;

>TOLLO CADERE(Lv.1); a chain of calcite silver so thin and smooth one would mistake it for silk, with beautifully engraved, ornamental bells tied along its length, made to be worn around ones neck. Made to counter aura based debuffs, these bells only work if one moves each turn, their sound reverberating to counter the incoming effects, though, only temporarily. Cutting the accumulation of pertantage or stacks down to a third what one should be, one will not fall under or feel the effects of their foes auras til they either stop moving for any reason, or they hit 100% or maximum stacks of the aura, in which it shall all hit at once. As the sound of the bells beautifully rings in a sound reminiscent of what they are countering, one can be safe in knowing those cowards who would hinder your march will not stop the dance of your determination. One should note though, it may only stop a singular aura at a time, at least, for now…

>>(Lv.2); new, off-branch chains of silver now hang at intervals from your sash of songs, each with a new, wonderfully engraved bell to adorn it. Your sash now can impede up to three auras at reduced amount to their effectiveness to only a fourth of what they would be, as the bells split but stay in tune to another to play a lovely melody in line with all they are countering. Though, once the song ends and the effects hit, the crescendo will be all the more spectacular.

>>(Lv.3); now going down both one's front and back, looking more like a draped silky parka almost of glorious bells and music, so long as one has moved at two movement zones, over the minimum one this turn, they will now be blocking all their foes aura abilities, and at a reduced accumulation of a fifth their usual accumulation. Now an entire orchestra of reverberating song, your movements will bring you ever closer to the finale of your dance, one way or another.

would be wonderful to get costs and such too BHOP, aswell as thoughts and balancing. i think it would technically be T2 or T3, over T4, as it doesn't effect a singular Class type nor fully negate it, only one type of ability from some classes?

sorry for the bamboozle, messed minor thing up. and damnit BHOP does it over such so so can i!

>>4038329
Can you put down that google doc of yours?

>>4038344
oh, my bad.
actually thought BHOP had posted it for some reason, sorry!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b_-8s0tin7DCQxITm6C69QULRnM_ibDfg18iV4dc7Fc/edit?usp=sharing

pretty expansive but like i said, people have not used it for its purpose so a decent chunk of the newer stuff from the last thread or two isnt there i think.

to be fair, it needs to be re-organized anyways, what with the new intel, but, ah, baby steps.

>>4038329
Okay, I'm copy pasta-ing all the new relics that we theorycrafted onto the gdoc. I'll put it under a new category called: "recently theorycrafted" so you can sort them later.

>>4038287
What level do levelable DUPLICATED Relics start at? Base, I'd assume, but just thought I'd ask for confirmation.

>>4038352
sounds good, thanks!

>>4038334
>>4038329
>>4038287
I think before we start the Relic Crafting spree, We should create the Forgeheart's Lyre first to further increase our success rate as an investment to future Forging sessions.

>Forgeheart’s Lyre: What is creation without its Muse? What life does a creator give to its creation if it does not give it a purpose? A human obsidian ribcage spread wide open like an eagle, a human heart nestled at its base, its golden heartstrings strung across each rib. Heed its tune when it plays in the presence of a working forge during relic, and the macabre instrument will play a song that inspires purpose into your creation. (Mechanically: Creating a relic with the Forgeheart’s Lyre in its presence or when a daughter plays the instrument at the Forge will reduce the chance of failure in relic creation and increase the effects of consumable relics created.)

>>4038367
im not against it.
though seeing the costs will help decide things(including possible alteration to what i have said already, of course.)
though i cant actually imagine that one being all that expensive i think.

>>4038367
While we're here, sure. I don't think we'll likely have need for it this session, with Tinker Taylor's aid and with the really expensive things being outside our current reasonable budget. But as an investment for later, when we're actually making Tier 5 Relics and want to make sure the BIO doesn't go to waste, it will be handy to have.

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>>4038378
i mean, you say that, but we got 300+our own pools. we're loaded at the moment. not that im saying we drain ourselves dry, but even with Julia gone i still think we can afford a lil bit of spending off ourselves.

speaking of, for everyone's reference;

Current Party Classes;

>SHU: Hive Mistress, Flesh Artisan, Gluttonous, Generator, Humoral Paladin, Neuromancy, Fibromancer, Calcite Armory, Phantasmal Conduit

>RATH: Vitruvian, Generator, Fibromancer, Flesh Artisan, Calcite Armory, Humoral Paladin, Phantasmal Conduit

>JULIA: Flesh Artisan, Gluttonous, Humoral Paladin, Calcite Armory, Phantasmal Conduit, Fibromancer, Unnatural Predator, Vitruvian

>DORIAN: Flesh Artisan, Humoral Paladin, Fibromancer, Generator, Phantasmal Conduit, Calcite Armory

>AMARA: Skintalker, Humoral Paladin, Phantasmal Conduit, Generator, Flesh Artisan, Unnatural Predator, Vitruvian, Calcite Armory

>GINA: Neuromancer, Vitruvian, Phantasmal Conduit, Calcite Armorer, Fibromancer, Gluttonous, Hive Mistress, Generator

>FRANICINE: Fibromancer, Neuromancer, Flesh Artisan, Hive Mistress, Phantasmal Conduit, Vitruvian, Unnatural Predator


just double checked it but if i missed anything then by all means speak up.

>>4038384
Sure. We should make some nice stuff for our party. But it's going to be many smaller expenditures instead of the huge costs for the Tier 5 Relics. We're not ready to craft those, yet, it would cripple both Shu and Francine to make Lu-Kthu's Chosen, for example. And making a bunch of smaller objects means that failing any given crafting roll won't hurt us as much, since less BIO will be associated with that roll.

>>4038392
oh, derp.
i didnt even look at that link yet.
oof, yeah, those T5s cost a fucking boatload. and end tier daughter would feel that shit.

yeah, T4 is really the highest we can go here, by a longshot. and even then only because we can spread costs around so much.

>>4038395
Yeah. I really want Lu-Kthu's Chosen and Mh'ithrhan Greaves, but we're not going to be able to afford them for a while. Cthonic Encyclopedia and Thirst of Uvash I could take or leave.

>>4038395
Hey anon. I just thought of something that may or may not be broken with the right usage.

>Step 1: Forge the Hearth Rod

>Step 2: Forge this Relic:

>RED DEVIL'S ENGINE: Crucibles may cry at the sight of this miniaturized 6 V-stroke combustion engine out of brass and Obsidian bone, the odd motorcycle handle sticks out of the motor alongside 3 pairs of exhaust pipes a sign of Man’s legacy living on to rock the Crucible. This wicked motor module is apparently compatible to the biological systems of a daughter despite the counterintuitive logic. A daughter may equip the Motor to a single relic or a single ability tree in their arsenal, where upon the Motor is then integrated into their biological functions and counted as a mechanical Augmentation. Removing it imposes a cool down (1 vein) which prevents the engine from re-integrating with another daughter’s ability or Relic. The daughter then can charge the motor to gain a single charge of “Revs” (3 max) with a swift action, or commit 2 ACTs to charge all 3 “Revs” where after the motor is charged, supercharging the damage of the augmented ability’s next attack, or the effectiveness of the augmented Relic with all 3 Revs automatically consumed in the process. For reasons only men know, the Engine automatically gains a “Rev” whenever the daughter wielding it lands a critical hit or fights in a flashy and stylish manner, the former being guaranteed and the latter given out sparingly as the engine silently judges the fighter.

>Step 3: Give Amara both the Red Devil's engine and the Hearth Rod.

>Step 4: Watch Amara and her clones pass the baton/Rod to supercharge her katana strikes. Turn her bone Katanas into DMC's Red Queen.

>>4038400
>Lu-Kthu's Chosen and Mh'ithrhan Greaves
um what? cite your sources? I've never heard of those relics.

>>4038400
eh, im not sure about my want of those, but like you said, irrelevant for now. thats a conversation for...a bit down the road, yeah.

>>4038403
hrm...maybe? feel like that relic needs something to balance it though, so id have to see how it would be handled first for me to feel comfortable voting for it.

>>4038407
the FORGE relics link is a new one with new relics in it. all new ones are T5 and some T4s.

>>4038400
>Cthonic Encyclopedia
You know. it's amazing in retrospect that Shu actually managed to pull off the exact same stunt that the Encyclopedia allows the user to do, but without the Relic.

>>4038414
It's the Miracle of Saint FuzzBuzz.

>>4038417
>Shu goes into hyper/cryo sleep a bit after the Crucible.
>wakes up decades if not centuries later
>MFW its FuzzBuzz not herself that is worshiped by the new civilizations.

>>4038290
The weekend was draining with a seven horu dnd session

I hope your own went well after your busy though hopefully enjoyableweek

>>4038287

>>Stick around for the Forging process and talk with Rath and Tailor, the latter of whom you're rather curious about after what she said regarding the 'songs of the Cores.'

Agreeing with>>4038329
on the the relic uzpgrades
>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>Membrum Automata
>>Ventrem Lanceam


I also think the Gore Growth Box will be useful for us we can mitigate its impact by using low level abilites we dont use to much at least right now
>>GoreGrowth Box

As for who to put the Hydras heart on.....

i think on maximum it would help Rath a lot(allowing her to regernerate lost lims quickly and addign extra ones as well as making her Regen trigger at every act she has in combat) but opnly if one condition is met.

>>4038290
QUESTION OP:
Would Raths power(Indignant Ignition) cauterise her own wounds when using Hydras Heart?

>>4038413
You're right about that...I think I just remembered an important thing to balance it out. Fuel for the engine. Hang on.

>RED DEVIL'S ENGINE: Crucibles may cry at the sight of this miniaturized 6 V-stroke combustion engine out of brass and Obsidian bone, the odd motorcycle handle sticks out of the motor alongside 3 pairs of exhaust pipes a sign of Man’s legacy living on to rock the Crucible. This wicked motor module is apparently compatible to the biological systems of a daughter despite the counterintuitive logic. A daughter may equip the Motor to a single relic or a single ability tree in their arsenal, where upon the Motor is then integrated into their biological functions and counted as a mechanical Augmentation. Removing it imposes a cool down (1 vein) which prevents the engine from re-integrating with another daughter’s ability or Relic. The daughter then can charge the motor to gain a single charge of “Revs” (3 max) with a swift action, 2 Revs with 1 full ACT, or commit 2 ACTs to charge all 3 “Revs” at the Cost of 100% Bio for each "Rev". After the motor is charged, supercharging the damage of the augmented ability’s next attack, or the effectiveness of the augmented Relic with all 3 Revs automatically consumed in the process. For reasons only men know, the Engine automatically gains a “Rev” whenever the daughter wielding it lands a critical hit or fights in a flashy and stylish manner, the former being guaranteed and the latter given out sparingly as the engine silently judges the fighter.


>>4038419
But if FuzzBuzz is Jesus, then that makes Shu the Mother Goddess in the holy trinity of Daughter, Bee, and Queen.

>>4038414
>>4038417
so any thoughts on my plan/ideas?
or still hammering out your thoughts?

>>4038421
hrm... but does Rath really NEED the Hyrdas Heart aswell, over stapling it onto someone elses chest? fair though that it probably would be best on Rath or Julia though.

>>4038421
>>4038329
You know, all this time we've spent on our allies, I can't help but notice that we haven't even gotten our information briefing from Amara's Girl Scouts. Something clearly went down in the world and we keep on delaying that debriefing. Not to mention we haven't given out new orders for Amara's Scouts.

>>4038425
still hammering out my thoughts.

>>4038424
>RED DEVIL'S ENGINE
hrm, i think that works, though how long does the Rev affect the Relic?

regardless i think that balances it out enough, id go for it. you want it and the Hearth Rod, right?

also, technically they wouldn't need to pass the Hearth Rod around... or would they? all the clones had their 'own' Shawl, so while Amara would have the actual Rod, would her Clones then have a copy that they pass or something to symbolize the passing of ACTs?

>But if FuzzBuzz is Jesus, then that makes Shu the Mother Goddess in the holy trinity of Daughter, Bee, and Queen.
i mean, plenty of stories and religions get bent over time. maybe they just found Shu boring and him too cute not to focus on.

>>4038428
to be fair, we ourselves dont really KNOW she even HAS half those scouts out, much less what they saw. IC we dont really... have a reason or excuse to ask about them like that. im very positive we already told her to update us on anything we did tell her to watch too, so, the fact she hasnt also make it seem like nothing has.

>still hammering out my thoughts.
alrighty.

>>4038428
Did she already hand us the relics she got durign the interlude? If so we can justify talking to her about where she aquired them but until then we probably cant know that anything happened


Also the "Song" she is describing could be something that has to do with how the forgecores are made......

I would like to know and be there if anything "unusual" happens

>>4038425
>so any thoughts on my plan/ideas?
>or still hammering out your thoughts?
Yeah, sorry, a bit hectic this morning, haven't managed to get the chance to give it in-depth attention.

Upgrading the Sui suits looks good to me. Less certain on the weapons, they're nice but I've always been wary of crafting weapons when we've got powers for that. Hearth Rod is a good option, though, and I could be brought around on the Box but don't think we really need it. As for other stuff, I want to make those Swarmlings for Laoc, give them some spy drones to monitor the local area. They're surprisingly pricey, though.

>>4038428
Oh, yeah, Amara was supposed to debrief us but then she wandered off to play with the Hyenas' kid. This is the problem with having small children run your intelligence network. Okay, once we're done here we get her report.

>>4038436
she did yes, though i cant remember what they were...

>>4038438
its fine, just was double checking is all.

not sure about the drone honestly, i think they'll be fine too. though, if its JUST a few scouts for them, we can just do a basic swarmling. thats like, 1% base now. 10% isnt too bad for just 3-5 little cameras basically for them. sure, i get why you want to give them something more, but we also dont have to be unreasonable to ourselves on just how much we spend on it.

(Hectic start to the morning since Im catching up on being away from my home office, but I'm settling down to address questions shortly.)

>>4038443
Take your time

We sure as hell have enough of it

>>4038433
>all the clones had their 'own' Shawl, so while Amara would have the actual Rod, would her Clones then have a copy that they pass or something to symbolize the passing of ACTs?
They touch Rods to pass the ACTs

>hrm, i think that works, though how long does the Rev affect the Relic?
The Rev lasts until the Relic's next activation, or until a daughter disrupts the Relic or Engine, or if the Engine is removed from the Relic.

>>4038443
I do have a question regarding Sui Tormentis to bhop:
What kind of new ability will you grant to Rath?

>>4038433
and since the Sui Tormentis is perma-binding the suit to Rath, I think this also warrants the creation of the Crux Draconis, actually a few of them in fact since Hydra's Heart and Cursus Alas have perma-binding traits. Either that or we can duplicate Cursus Alas for Free or either half the cost.

>CRUX DRACONIS; A small cross made from Calcite roughly the size of a small humans palm covered in finely scaled leather with a single large Scale at the Center of the Cross.The Scale gives of an Air of calm protection and serene hope. Not meant to be wielded on its own does this relic have need to be integrated into another piece of Armor(Relic or Ability based) first. It will then absorb taking on the Armors characteristics, boosts and appearance when active. Once this is done the Crux can then be used by its wearer to instantly don/doff the Armor by collapsing it into or expanding it from the Crux. The Crux is activated by pressing the main Scale. This allows even Armor that has integrated itself into the Wearer to be removed and donnend again. Though if the Armor does integrate itself into the Armor the Crux will do so as well making it impossible to remove from its Owner. The Cross holds all the Upgrades for the Piece of Armor stored and can even be upgraded to make the Armor stored inside of it able to reach its maximum potential wither through forging or leveling up the corresponding Ability.

If we're splitting our group up into teams after the forging session, we'll have to forge another pair of hive phones in case Gina is grouped up with Shu. The last time we split up, we took advantage of the Crimson Cord between Shu and Gina to act as a permanent hotline between the two teams.

>>4038443
take your time, and dont run yourself ragged.

>>4038428
>>4038436
>>4038438
you know, i do agree keeping the Hydras Heart at level 1 seems wasteful, but especially with Sui im still unsure putting it on Rath is really the best choice.

but im just unsure who else could use it better, assuming it wont be negated on her.

>>4038448
WE copuld offer it to rath thoug h she might prefer to permanently be stuck in the armor....

But then she wont be so easily huggable.....

>>4038448
>They touch Rods to pass the ACTs
well, that defeats the point of it being able to happen over any range though.

i disagree on the Crux Draconis. the perma binding is not at all a negative enough effect to waste biomass over countering, especially with it basically just being corruption like our abilities.

>>4038453
>>4038455
I figure if Rath ever expresses the thought that her armor is annoying or uncomfortable to have to wear all the time, then we can forge it for her, but for now I don't think she needs to have it.

>>4038462
sure, i guess thats a fair compromise. but starting out i dont think so. i also dont think Cursa Alas or the Hydras Heart really effect the person enough to need a Draconis.

>>4038462
Kinda what i figured as well but i thought may as well offer it to her while we are at it here

>>4038287
My suggestion:

Forge:
>ForgeHeart's Lyre
>Reworked RED DEVIL'S ENGINE: Crucibles may cry at the sight of this miniaturized 6 V-stroke combustion engine out of brass and Obsidian bone, the odd motorcycle handle sticks out of the motor alongside 3 pairs of exhaust pipes a sign of Man’s legacy living on to rock the Crucible. This wicked motor module is apparently compatible to the biological systems of a daughter despite the counterintuitive logic. A daughter may equip the Motor to a single relic or a single ability tree in their arsenal, where upon the Motor is then integrated into their biological functions and counted as a mechanical Augmentation. Removing it imposes a cool down (1 vein) which prevents the engine from re-integrating with another daughter’s ability or Relic. The daughter then can charge the motor to gain a single charge of “Revs” (3 max) with a swift action, 2 Revs with 1 full ACT, or commit 2 ACTs to charge all 3 “Revs” at the Cost of 100% Bio for each "Rev". After the motor is charged, supercharging the damage of the augmented ability’s next attack, or the effectiveness of the augmented Relic with all 3 Revs automatically consumed in the process. For reasons only men know, the Engine automatically gains a “Rev” whenever the daughter wielding it lands a critical hit or fights in a flashy and stylish manner, the former being guaranteed and the latter given out sparingly as the engine silently judges the fighter.
>HEARTH ROD:
>VOCALIS NOCERE
>Ventrem Lanceam
>Membrane Automata
>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max:
Forge Suggestions:
>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)
>Create 1 Crux Draconis (if Rath feels like she needs it)
>Rhinoviral Powder (Consumable)
>Nitro Sugar (Consumable)
>MITSUBACHI-CAP: A Cap made of hardened Chitin and lined with Downy bee fur in a Black and yellow pattern. A leathery abdomen hangs out as the tail of the cap. somehow fits all heads of any size, won't fall off no matter how hard you jostle the wearer. Made from a Daughter who treats simple constructs with love and care, rumor has it that the construct or daughter that wears the cap will have good fortune in the future and live a fulfilling life. (Forge two of them, 1 for Marco, the other for Sir Fuzzbuzz)

If we're going to forge much of the stuff, we should have Julia help pay for the cost since she's going to stay in Laoc for the duration of more than 1 vein.

>>4038468
>>4038462
Any thoughts?

>>4038487
So the caps are just to look cute?

>>4038491
yes. why else?

>>4038492
Fair enough.

>>4038487
interesting.
the Forge Herts Lyra could be useful though i dont know if its something we would want to create now....

The Tormentis is something we need yes. And i think is kinda unanimous

The mite4s can be useful if we got that time in a battle but quite useful if we need it

Not sure about the nitro sugar..... It could be interesting but i kinda think we need to know what one diluted dose does before i could decide.

The rest i am kinda indifferent towards.

Would you be up for upgrading the Hydras Heart if it wont be affected by Raths ability?

I think she could profit from it quite a bit.

>>4038487
>Crux
still dont think the Crux is worth it at the moment, even within the context of just an option for Rath. unless its super dirt cheap id not want to put the option on the table just yet.

>Rhinoviral Powder (Consumable)
honestly im just not sure i personally find this relic balanced enough to vote to use it.

>Nitro Sugar (Consumable)
really not sure this is really worth it honestly. just too hard to ever know if it'll be worth it. and only Amara honestly really have enough ACTs to really make doubling it that effective.

>MITSUBACHI-CAP
eh, not sure im up for something 'just because' at the moment. certainly not until i know the costs otherwise on everything else, and certainly will be at the bottom of the list.

im also waiting on BHOP to reply to my new Relic too though before re-doing my own vote, aswell as the costs for alot of this will determine alot of what i decide, such as for the;

>VOCALIS NOCERE
>HEARTH ROD + RED ENGINE
>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)

>>4038501
still hvent heard anyone actually discuss anything ive said on the Hydras Heart. the Cursas Alas is also at a point where it locks to a user.

but honestly, its kinda in an odd position. i really feel like the Cursas isnt needed that much. but at the same time, would mean locking it down makes it less of an oversight, sorta.

>>4038334
>>TOLLO CADERE, Lvl 1- (Calcite Armorer: 100%, Phantasmal Conduit: 200%)
>>Lvl 2 - (Phantasmal Conduit: 200%)
>>Lvl 3 - (Phantasmal Conduit: 300%)

(Overall, I think this Relic is pretty neat and thematic. Nicely done!)

>>4038421
(Yes, Rath's wounds would cauterize.)

(And my week was hectic, but good. It was a good week to be off given how intense work has been, so that worked out, at least.)

>>4038433
(Amara is mulling over the info she's received from the Joyous, and she'll be talking to you shortly about it.)

>>4038448
(The choice is yours between a Fibromancer or Calcite Armorer skill tree, both centered around physical enhancement and essentially acting a supplementary tree to reinforce the Tormentis.)

>>4038447
(True. Apologies for the long voting time, since I assumed everyone would need ample time to review the options available, and for me to catch up on work.)

>>4038487
also, what is your purpose with the Vocalis?

>>4038505
I think we should upgrade it and give it to either Rath or Shu. They are the only one that will get any real use out of more limbs(other than having more limbs) since Rath can punch more times and Shu could use them to extend her range

Since i dont want to ruin Shus already established image of being a bee queen and Rath wotn get too heavily corrupted she might enjoy looking like a reptile.

On the other hand one of the other characters could make use of it as well.And i think Gina also wouldnt migd turning into a reptile.... getting more resistances might also work out for her as well.


But since OP now said that it would cauterize her wounds i think the only truly suitable candidates would be Gina, Shu or oddly enough Dorian.

Dorian would be making bank if his regen triggered with every act he took.

>>4038510
I intended no criticism. I kinda figured we needed some time once the conversation was starting up

>>4038505
Oh, sorry. My head's in a bit of a fuzz, still. For Hydra's Heart I'm not sure who it would benefit most. If the Bio for Health exchange penetrated Ignition's Health for Bio swap, then it would be great on Rath. If not, then I'd go with Dorian, maybe.

As for Cursus Alas, not sure who it would be best on. The entire party has long since surpassed the point where we have enough Bio regen to run it all fight long. Any of the party would benefit from having flight mode. Preferrably someone without existing mobility enhancement, which I think is down to just Francine and Julia. With Julia leaving the party, I guess Francine. Though Francine is probably going to be able to grapple-swing with Violens Tetrastrigma eventually, so everyone has a mobility boost. Fuck it, let's just put it on Shu. Let her fly, I've been wanting to do that for a while.

>>4038505
To tell you my honest thoughts, I never had any love for Hydra's Heart, it's one of those relics where I feel like the bad overshadows the good in the right context where a bad synergy like giving and binding the Relic to Rath would be very very detrimental in my honest opinion.

>>4038516

>(Yes, Rath's wounds would cauterize.)
And this is why I HATE Hydra's Heart. putting it on Rath would simply lead to a crippling bad synergy. Rath HAS to be able to regenerate her arms in order to stay effective. Having her wounds auto-cauterize because she lit-herself on fire and be unable to regrow those limbs would be more detrimental than beneficial.

>>4038512
A simple augment to Amara's skintalking abilities. Allowing Amara to throw her voice elsewhere would help her stealth and copy the voices of other people like an actual ninja. And since it's a T-2 Relic that means, Amara's clones get the same benefit of the Relic.

>>4038519
>As for Cursus Alas, not sure who it would be best on. The entire party has long since surpassed the point where we have enough Bio regen to run it all fight long. Any of the party would benefit from having flight mode. Preferrably someone without existing mobility enhancement, which I think is down to just Francine and Julia.

How about giving to Dorian? The Man's a living bloodstorm still bound to the earth, why not give him the power of Flight and skip out on all the Terrain that he has to Navigate?

>>4038520
doo i accnowledge that buit had most of that written up before op posted so i left it in and then said who i wanted to have it instead if we were to give it to someone

>>4038516
>>4038519
i guess we can put it on Dorian, for now. technically it wont bind to him too, so we can swap it between him and November. though no one else.

>>4038519
eh, Shus too static i think for it, and with the Rooks, it really doesn't have a mobility use on Shu. hell, she could easily just slap a Sawmling on her back of some type if she wanted to fly too.

honestly i say Julia or Rath. both are hard, frontline fighters who could use a bit to get into the fight, and if its Julia, im still ok leaving it behind, if it fits her best.

>>4038520
>Vocalis for Amara
i guess thats fine.

Dorian is the last person to need Cursas. he just has so much speed its just not justifiable in my opinion to give it to him over others who still have some mild movement issues.

>>4038520
>How about giving to Dorian? The Man's a living bloodstorm still bound to the earth, why not give him the power of Flight and skip out on all the Terrain that he has to Navigate?
Dorian's already immune to negative terrain. And we actually want Dorian to stay close to the ground, because most enemies will be terrestrial and he can dash-slash everyone he moves past. The speed boost is nice, but he's already got a ton of speed boosters and I'm not sure he needs it.

>>4038287
>>4038329
Amending Vote;
Action;
>>Stick around for the Forging process and talk with Rath and Tailor, the latter of whom you're rather curious about after what she said regarding the 'songs of the Cores.'

in order of forging, for the little it'll matter down below;
>FORGE;
>>Forgehearts Lyre
>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>Tollo Cadere to Level 2.
>>Membrum Automata
>>Ventrem Lanceam
>>Hearth Rod + Red Engine

Only if we can keep folks above 75% after the rest;
>FORGE Secondary;
>>VOCALIS NOCERE
>>GOREGROWTH BOX
>>Hydra Heart to Level 3.(Dorian)
>>Cursas Alas to Max(Julia or Rath, whoever they decide)
>>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)
>>Nitro Sugar

>>4038532
Dorian may be immune to Negative Terrain, but he's not immune to Fall damage and he still has to move past terrain such as a very large objects. Having him be able to fly would help mitigate another scenario like during Spiraling Fear where Nikuzu knocked the platform the Midnight Crew was standing on and forcing Shu to pull off a very harebrained scheme to both save everyone from lethal fall damage and from Nikuzu's Ultimate.

>>4038505
My other thought about Hydras Heart is the fact that it has such a crippling weakness to Fire damage that I really don't think it's really worth it. The Cauterization that prevents limb and health regen is such a huge negative in my eyes.

>>4038510
Hey bhop. Due to the Weird interactions of Hydra's heart, Would the cauterization happen if someone else wore Hydra's heart while standing within the flames that Rath made? or would Rath's Sister's Constellation augment override the Cauterization process?

>>4038539
>Cursas Alas to Max(Julia or Rath, whoever they decide)
Julia would probably benefit from it more for the mobility option it gives, although it taxes her bio reserves more. Rath would get less of a benefit from the already insane mobility she has with her Core ability and her grenade teleport, but it wouldn't impact her Bio regen after the initial take-off boost.

Also. Can we create another baseline Cursus Alas after perma-binding the first one?

>>4038287
Ammending my vote here >>4038421
to
>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>GOREGROWTH BOX

also include as secondarys if we can stay above 75 %
>> Hydras Heart to Level 3 (for Dorain or November whoever wants/needs it at the time)
>>Hearth Rod + Red Engine
>>Cursas Alas to Max(Julia or Rath, whoever they decide)
>>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)
>>Ventrem Lanceam
>>Membrum Automata

>>4038542
(Sister's Constellation would override its effects.)

>>4038542
>My other thought about Hydras Heart is the fact that it has such a crippling weakness to Fire damage that I really don't think it's really worth it. The Cauterization that prevents limb and health regen is such a huge negative in my eyes.
i forget, does this only effect what the relic gives, or everything a daughter has? cant remember BHOPS verdict on it.

and i do kinda understand, but, im also of the idea we already have it, so should use it to the best of our ability, and that does mean upgrading it.

>Cursas Alas
i kinda agree, but i also think both could still significantly use it to great effect, and can see the argument for both, so i think leavng it up to IC personality is a good compromise.

also, eh, i really dont think the Cursas is good enough to get another of. our family just doesn't need it. hell, actually, i think ill just give it to Julia probably, as you're right. shes the only one with a real lack of mobility that still needs it in my opinion. but we just have such good mobility its just not worth making another, especially over other options.

>>4038542
>Dorian may be immune to Negative Terrain, but he's not immune to Fall damage and he still has to move past terrain such as a very large objects. Having him be able to fly would help mitigate another scenario like during Spiraling Fear where Nikuzu knocked the platform the Midnight Crew was standing on and forcing Shu to pull off a very harebrained scheme to both save everyone from lethal fall damage and from Nikuzu's Ultimate.
Well, sure, I want to get everyone flight eventually for scenarios like that. But in the meantime, if we've only got this one Cursus Alas to work with, I don't think Dorian particularly needs flight mode. I wouldn't mind it, just saying that it doesn't strike me as particularly essential.

>>4038552
Dorian can also do his little 'teleport' maneuver. not actual flight but id think it could keep him in the air for a good moment or two.

i also disagree on getting everyone flight though.

>>4038543
>>4038539
Another thought.
How about Crafting Arma Ashuran for Francine? Besides her Ancient Fish Swarm. Her main method of attacking is Unarmed fists. with Luohan's Hands propensity for Counterattacking, her Tentacle vines, and Creation's Strings, she would greatly benefit from Arma Ashuran's melee damage boost unless we're fine with giving the Ignition Gauntlets to Francine, which is perfectly fine with me as well.

>>4038555
I think the Ignition Gauntlets are fine for that. Though there may be some awkwardness from there being a Daughter inside them who was once tortured by an identical doppleganger of Francine.

>>4038555
well, not really. the Vines give her some range, Luohans is just a counter, and Creations we know does have range we were told, and could be...really anything, depending on who she hits. she actually really isnt built for actual close combat at all, just not long range either.

not sure a melee relic, especially a fist one, really actually fits Francines power-set at all really. her ample ability to be a healer also makes that seem an iffy direction.

>>4038561
that reminds me. I think this would help Francine's kit in a thematic way, although it's been a long time since these relics were first posted so their usefulness might not be viable at this stage.

>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS: The life of a patient hangs under the knife. This set of surgical tools (Forceps, Scalpel, Needle Diver, Clamps, Retractors, etc.) made of brass blood, bleached bone, translucent flesh, and bodily fiber bags come in a small briefcase of white Calcium, to be used in medical procedures as well as emergency operations. With the cost of a single act between the “Surgeon” and the “Patient”, the “surgeon” can operate on the patient and excise and remove a debilitating status effect (Including Cancer, severe bleeding, viral/bacterial/fungal/parasitic Infections, and other severe effects) of the patient and surgeon’s choice without the need to spend health or bio. In addition, if used on a “patient” on death’s door, the “patient” will be stabilized and regain health and bio at the rate of the sum of both the Surgeon’s and Patient’s Health and bio regen respectively.

>STITCHING STILETTOS: A set of Stiletto knives in the shape of oversized sewing needles. Said stilettos can vary in size. The eye of the needle allows easy handling and throwing. Pouring (30/50/90/120%) Bio into the relic produces a thread of (short/medium/long/distant) length. This can be repeated to increase the thread length. Humoral Paladins, Flesh Artisans, and Daughters who have the ability to produce fibers or threads can substitute the thread-making abilities of the stiletto with threads of their own. Daughters who process touch-effect abilities can channel them through the thread. When thrown or stabbed into an enemy or terrain with a skill, the Stiletto creates a "Suture" stack that tethers the thread onto the target. Multiple stacks increase the difficulty of removing the tether and amplify the on-touch effects by an additive 5% for each "stitch" tagged onto the enemy (up to 15 stitches per suture). Multiple targets can be connected by the same Stiletto thread (up to separate threads 5 per stiletto).

>>4038555
Problem is she is no Melee Spec by any consideration or bar you put to it.

she deals damage by sucking enemys dry with her Strings and can counter them to keep them out of her hair....... Or she uses her fish swarm

WHiel should could possibly use this relic she probably wont ever do so if she has other options available

>>4038565
>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS
They might be viable to remove stacks and other strong status effects and maybe even help someone on deaths door.

We shoudl wait for a price tag. if its not to pricey it should be fine to be added to the list

>>4038565
hrm...i think the first one could still be really good sure, but im just not sure the second one is.
it would still have some uses, but even on Francine i just dont think even her core really would need it, nor the rest of her kit. the one ability she has that could use it i just dont think would benefit enough from it to really justify.

i guess i could go for the Surgeon kit though, on the potential secondaries.

>>4038568
>>4038290
yeah, like 90+% of the relics here dont have a confirmed price tag yet, which does make this much harder to actually guess and discuss.

>>4038573
(Gentlemen, to make things simpler, either reply to this post with what you'd like a price tag on, or link me to the vote you'd like me to assess.)

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>>4038539
>>4038581
this plus the
>>4038565

>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS
which would be in the secondary, probably right after the GOREGROWTH BOX if that helps.

and also, thanks for this. i know you kinda have to od it anyways, but it still cant be easy to calculate and think up all this so suddenly. i appreciate it.

>>4038581
This >>4038543repeated below for your convenience just to show you where the vote came from

>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>GOREGROWTH BOX

also include as secondarys if we can stay above 75 %
>> Hydras Heart to Level 3 (for Dorain or November whoever wants/needs it at the time)
>>Hearth Rod + Red Engine
>>Cursas Alas to Max(Julia or Rath, whoever they decide)
>>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)
>>Ventrem Lanceam
>>Membrum Automata

+>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS: The life of a patient hangs under the knife. This set of surgical tools (Forceps, Scalpel, Needle Diver, Clamps, Retractors, etc.) made of brass blood, bleached bone, translucent flesh, and bodily fiber bags come in a small briefcase of white Calcium, to be used in medical procedures as well as emergency operations. With the cost of a single act between the “Surgeon” and the “Patient”, the “surgeon” can operate on the patient and excise and remove a debilitating status effect (Including Cancer, severe bleeding, viral/bacterial/fungal/parasitic Infections, and other severe effects) of the patient and surgeon’s choice without the need to spend health or bio. In addition, if used on a “patient” on death’s door, the “patient” will be stabilized and regain health and bio at the rate of the sum of both the Surgeon’s and Patient’s Health and bio regen respectively.

Thank you fort taking the time out of your day to do this for us

I decided to make a set of relics based on the ones Bondrewd has in Made In Abyss. These aren't made with the party in mind though, because I'm just not good at that part. But maybe someone will get some inspiration.

>SATTELITE EMBRACE: What appears to be a bag filled with black sticky sludge. When let out of its bag, the sludge envelops and suffocates the nearest living thing. It’s incredibly difficult to escape its grapple, and can be used to pin down a foe or close the distance. It also has a rare use of cocooning a target, and slowly draining skill points from them to give to the relic’s owner until they’re a lifeless husk, drawing out the process of consumption over several days. If it does that, the relic needs two days to recharge and regain it’s fluidity after it finishes the process.

DAWN OF TOMORROW: A relic that resembles a fleshy flower, in the form of a cradle, constructed mainly using Neuromancer and Phantasmal Conduit bio. If one places the biomass of any creature within it, it will create and implant a dream copy of the owner within the target who the biomass originates from. The owner will know the location of those implanted and have as much influence over them as any normal dream daughter. If they can copy their mind within a blank body with no consciousness however, they may take it over for their own purposes. Those who make relics using the biomass of multiple people should be careful, for if it gets stolen and placed within the flower, multiple people will be infected at once.

LEVI GLADIO: A hilt that emits a blade of searing light. This blade doesn’t merely burn, but rewrites the laws of the Crucible governing the objects that was incinerated. Something killed by this blade will net no skill points and no dream daughter. However, it ignores any defenses and damage mitigation effects, cutting through any in its way like a hot knife through butter. It is fantastic at destroying other relics as well.

MALEDICTION FLECHETTES: A launcher with black bone arrows for ammunition. It can fire three arrows before needing to reload. When an arrow strikes a target, it inflicts a malus with a base 5% chance of triggering, stunning the victim and dealing them damage. The malus is additive, and it requires one ACT to reload the relic.

INNOVATOR’S VISOR: A shelled helmet with a vertical slit on its faceplate. The visor can unleash a beam that ricochets and curves around obstacles, allowing for attacks that come from unexpected angles with an increased chance of crits. The user can either use one ACT to aim and guarantee a hit on a designated target, or fire blindly for free during each ACT with a fifty percent chance of hitting anything.

>1/2

>>4038594
>CORDCLIMBER’S LEATHER: A tanned hide made into a long-jacket. This outfit gives increased resistance against hazardous terrain and remembers the kinds it encounters. Thus, if it encounters the same kind of hazardous terrain once more, its resistance to it will rise and offer better protection to the wearer. One who travels a lot could very well make themselves immune to most of the fleshscape’s natural dangers. This relic also works against terraforming, gaining progressively increasing resistance against each kinds of terraforming attacks used against it.

>>4038581
Bhop, I've Reworked the Red Devil's Engine to be a bit more balanced, the previous version that I posted gave a bit too much without much drawback.

>RED DEVIL'S ENGINE: Crucibles may cry at the sight of this miniaturized 6 V-stroke combustion engine out of brass and Obsidian bone, the odd motorcycle handle sticks out of the motor alongside 3 pairs of exhaust pipes a sign of Man’s legacy living on to rock the Crucible. This wicked motor module is apparently compatible to the biological systems of a daughter despite the counterintuitive logic. A daughter may equip the Motor to a single relic or a single ability tree in their arsenal, where upon the Motor is then integrated into their biological functions and counted as a mechanical Augmentation. Removing it imposes a cool down (1 vein) which prevents the engine from re-integrating with another daughter’s ability or Relic. The daughter then can charge the motor to gain a single charge of “Revs” (3 max) with a swift action, 2 Revs with 1 full ACT, or commit 2 ACTs to charge all 3 “Revs” at the Cost of 100% Bio for each "Rev". After the motor is charged, supercharging the damage of the augmented ability’s next attack, or the effectiveness of the augmented Relic with all 3 Revs automatically consumed in the process. For reasons only men know, the Engine automatically gains a “Rev” whenever the daughter wielding it lands a critical hit or fights in a flashy and stylish manner, the former being guaranteed and the latter given out sparingly as the engine silently judges the fighter.

also, any thoughts for when i re-organize the Relics Archive?
might not happen til tomorrow actually, but was wondering if anyone had any thoughts or suggestions for better organization in the meantime, or if the current method is good enough.

>>4038605
Maybe divide it into "known costs" and "unknown costs" sections?

>>4038606
yeah that might be useful.
honestly from now on we should probably ask BHOP for the prices as we post em, heh. assuming its not a relic we obviously know will never get made, i suppose?

>>4038605
splitting into cost known and cost not knows might be useful

otherwise probably a section of already made and not made would b euseful as well

(so we would have a rough idea what we have until the rlic shet is updated. Nothing against OP but that can take a while )

>>4038287
>Write-in:
I know this is for flavor text, and this will be done at a later time but I want to write this down while I still have time before I head off to work:

>After the Relics are done being forged, take the Hearth Rod, Red Devil's Engine, and VOCALIS NOCERE (if they're forged)
>Kneel down on the ground and whisper to the Fleshscape: "Please keep this a secret to Amara, I want to make these gifts a surprise for her. Pretty please?"
>Seek out Amara: Hide the Relics out of Amara's view, have a couple of Knights and Rooks hold the Relics.
>"Amara! How are you doing?" Give Amara a hug. "You've been such a wonderful girl, you and your ninja army scouting out the lands, finding hidden secrets, bringing back presents..."
>if an Amara clone is with Amara, headpat the clone as well.
>"You've done so much for us...that I can't think of anyway to thank you except by doing the best I can. Although..."
>A coy smile graces your lips.
>"I do have something...Amara, please close your eyes, and not peeking, not even with your clone."
>Have the Knights and Rooks present themselves with the Relics.
>"Open your eyes Amara."
>Take one of the Relics and present it to her one by one.
>(If the Red Devil's Engine if Forged): Ask her to make and present her Bone Katana, take the Red Devil Engine and have it integrate with the Bone Katana. "This little thing here, might not look like much, but supposed to go on your sword."
>If Amara asks why: "That's because it is a gadget used by a LEGENDARY Demon Slayer called "Dante, the Red Devil". Dante was known throughout the world for his demon slaying skills and for looking SUPER COOL while doing it, so cool that he singlehandedly saved the world 5 times by himself. This Engine is the very same one that Dante used. To use it, take the handle bar there and twist it. You hear that Revving? Good. Now give your sword a simple swing. You can charge the engine up to three times for a super attack!", then whisper to Amara: "They say that the Engine is alive and rewards those with its power if you fight like Dante, fighting stylishly and dealing devastating attacks with your sword."

>(If VOCALIS NOCERE is Forged): "This is a ninja mask. It lets you throw your voice out and mimic the voices of other people." "
>Help equip Vocalis Nocere on Amara
>"It might feel uncomfortable, but the tube is there to help disguise your voice so that enemy guards can't recognize what you sound like. Ninjas were sneaky, but they aren't that sneaky if their faces and voices are recognized. This mask is to help you on your path in being a ninja. Why else do you think Sensei Churem wears the mask?"

>(If Hearth Rod is Forged): "This is a Magic Baton specifically made for you. It might not look like much, but it will help your clones by giving them the support they need. You know how sometimes your clones can't do much? Well this Magic Baton helps them by having a clone pass on their energy to give them more motivation!"

>>4038636
>Why else do you think Sensei Churem wears the mask?"
Cue insulted objection from Cheruem that that's just their face, they don't have weird head flaps like some gross mammals they could name,

>>4038287
Seconding >>4038539 with the addition of
>REPLICATE forty basic Swarmlings
to the "only if we have enough" category and

>use free DUPLICATE to make second Cursus Alas
since we get a free 1/Vein use on Relics level 1 or 2.

>>4038594
>>4038595
(*rumble of scientific triumph intensifies*)

>>4038644
>>4038287
im against both of these vote wise.
and i mean, geezus man. thats 400% more Hive Mistress biomass there, that might HAVE to come from Shu as its her model. either way, hell naw. they like, maybe need 3-5, at best, if at all.

>>4038640
>Cue insulted objection from Cheruem that that's just their face, they don't have weird head flaps like some gross mammals they could name.
Should I re-write that part to make it more appropriate for Churem or should I leave it in for lost-in-translation shenanigans?

>>4038646
If there's a T-1 T-2 Relic that we could duplicate, then what should we duplicate? I wouldn't want an opportunity to go to waste.

>>4038646
I want to give them enough for it to matter. Okay, ten Swarmlings, then, I think they need at least that many. And what else would you want for our free DUPLICATE?

>>4038647
>Should I re-write that part to make it more appropriate for Churem or should I leave it in for lost-in-translation shenanigans?
No, leave it in, I think Amara wondering if Sensei Cheruem is wearing a mask sounds funny.

>>4038646
>Use Free Duplicate to Duplicate Inspector's Spectacles
Actually, why not Duplicate the Inspector's Spectacles?

>>4038647
>>4038644
>>4038649
>>4038650
i disagree its going to waste, and honestly id prefer to spend it on consumables if at all.

though hell, something like the Remembrance Whistle would be much better and more useful. maybe the Guardians Heart, make Marco a real boy or something.

>>4038651
I'm fine with duplicating a whistle or Giving Marco a heart.

>>4038651
I'd be fine with a second Remembrance Whistle. Those are pretty useful. Okay, changing

>>4038287
Changing >>4038644
to

>REPLICATE ten basic Swarmlings, if we can afford it
>use free DUPLICATE to make second Remembrance Whistle

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>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level: (100% Calcite, 175% Fibromancer)

>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4: (100% Calcite, 175% Fibromancer)

>>GOREGROWTH BOX: (80% Calcite, 200% Vitruvian)

>> Hydras Heart to Level 3: (100% Unnatural, 100% Vitruvian, 40% Calcite)

>>Hearth Rod: (120% Phantasmal, 80% Fibromancer)

>>Red Engine: (200% Calcite, 100% Generator)

>>Cursas Alas to Max: (300% Hive Mistress, 220% Generator)

>>Regeneration Mites: (100% Vitruvian, 50% Hive Mistress)

>>Ventrem Lanceam: (180% Calcite, 120% Flesh Artisan)

>>Membrum Automata: (140% Phantasmal, 100% Neuromancer, 60% Fibromancer)

>>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS: (100% Calcite, 200% Humoral Paladin)

~~~

-BIOMASS TOTALS-

>>Calcite Armorer: 800%

>>Fibromancer: 490%

>>Vitruvian: 400%

>>Unnatural Predator: 100%

>>Generator: 320%

>>Phantasmal Conduit: 260%

>>Hive Mistress: 550%

>>Flesh Artisan: 120%

>>Humoral Paladin: 200%

>>Neuromancer: 100%

-GRAND TOTAL-

>>3,340% BIO

(I hope this helps, Gentlemen. Additionally, I’ll be extending the voting for one more hour to allow any final adjustments and the like.)

>>4038287
>>4038539
Amending to Vote V 3.0;

Action;
>>Stick around for the Forging process and talk with Rath and Tailor, the latter of whom you're rather curious about after what she said regarding the 'songs of the Cores.'

in order of forging, for the little it'll matter down below;
>FORGE;
>>Forgehearts Lyre
>>Upgrade Sui Tormentis to Max Level, on Rath, unless she is against it.
>>Upgrade Sui Interitus to Level 4.
>>Tollo Cadere to Level 2.
>>Membrum Automata
>>Ventrem Lanceam
>>Hearth Rod + Red Engine

Only if we can keep folks above 75% after the rest;
>FORGE Secondary;
>>VOCALIS NOCERE
>>GOREGROWTH BOX
>SURGEON GENERAL’S ESSENTIALS
>>Hydra Heart to Level 3.(Dorian)
>>Cursas Alas to Max(Julia or Rath, whoever they decide)
>>Regeneration Mites (Consumable)
>>Nitro Sugar
>>Duplicate Guardians Heart(Marco, tagged to November), unless November is against it, then, Remembrance Whistle.
>>Replicate 10 Swarmlings

>>4038661
Nitro Sugar: (Generator: 100%, Humoral Paladin: 80%)

>>4038660
yes, thank you.
so our own Team costs are around;
>Calcite; 500%
>Fibromancer; 190%
>Vitruvian; 100%
>Generator; 20%
>Hive Mistress; 250%

>TOTAL; 1,060%
not bad when split among our family, at all.

>>4038660
Okay, we can take that cost. It's a bit hefty, but a lot of the party is pretty Bio efficient. I've got a plan for something on Dorian's part that might take a lot of Bio should we go hunt the Drill Mole, but his regen is so high that he'd recover any Bio spent on it while we were still prepping.

>>4038663
>>4038664
ill let others decide how to split the costs this time around.

>>4038660
>>4038662
>>4038663

Okay looking at this:
our total Bio not counting subcategories is: 12610% Bio
Our total health pool is: 15440% HP

>>4038660
Bhop, where's Forgeheart's Lyre?

>>4038673
(Ah, my apologies;)

>>Forgeheart's Lyre: ( 150% Flesh Artisan, 50% Calcite)

>>4038677
And what of the Regeneration Mites (Consumable)?

>>4038679
(They're up there, but I've copied it down below;)

>>Regeneration Mites: (100% Vitruvian, 50% Hive Mistress)

>>4038684
my bad. I didn't see it.

>>4038679
>>4038669
>>4038664
personally id shoot for our max on the family to be 2,000%-2,250% max.
unsure how much of the 'secondaries' that gives us though, but im not in a position to calculate it myself.

-BIOMASS TOTALS-

>>Calcite Armorer: 850%

>>Fibromancer: 490%

>>Vitruvian: 400%

>>Unnatural Predator: 100%

>>Generator: 320%

>>Phantasmal Conduit: 260%

>>Hive Mistress: 550%

>>Flesh Artisan: 270%

>>Humoral Paladin: 200%

>>Neuromancer: 100%

-GRAND TOTAL-

>>3,540% BIO

This is after factoring Forgeheart's Lyre.

>>4038636
(Pended for later, as appropriate.)

>>4038663
Forge mistress Fingers would give a 20% flat discount off of each component of each new Relic, and upgrades would mean 30% off of each component...
>FORGEMISTRESS’ FINGERS (Lvl 2): Relic creation now costs a total of 20% less BIO from each component tree to craft, and each subsequent level-up of a pre-existing Relic costs 30% less BIO across all component trees to promote to next level. (BIO +20%)

So if I'm calculating this correctly after applying Forgemistress fingers discount:

Upgrading
Sui Tormentis would be (70% Calcite, 145% Fibromancer)
Sui Interitus (70% Calcite, 145% Fibromancer)
Hydras Heart (70% Unnatural, 70% Vitruvian, 10% Calcite)
Cursas Alas (270% Hive Mistress, 190% Generator)

Forging
Goregrowth box (60% Calcite, 180% Vitruvian)
Hearth Rod (100% Phantasmal, 60% Fibromancer)
Red Engine (180% Calcite, 80% Generator)
Regen Mite (80% Vitruvian, 30% Hive Mistress)
Ventrem Lanceam (160% Calcite, 100% Flesh Artisan)
Membrum Automata (120% Phantasmal, 80% Neuromancer, 40% Fibromancer)
Surgeon General's essentials (80% Calcite, 180% Humoral Paladin)
Vocalis Nocere (25% Neuromancer, (0)% Vitruvian)
TOLLO CADERE lvl 1 (Calcite Armorer: 80%, Phantasmal Conduit: 180%)
Forgeheart's Lyre (130% Flesh Artisan, 30% Calcite)
New calculated costs:

>740% Calcite
>390% Fibromancer
>330% Vitruvian
>70% Unnatural Predator
>270% Generator
>400% Phantasmal Conduit
>300% Hive Mistress
>230% Flesh Artisan
>180% Humoral Paladin
>105% Neuromancer

Total after ForgeMistress finger discount: 3015% BIO

I think this is a reasonable cost that we could afford. A bit pricey, but I think it's worth it if we distribute it correctly.

>>4038710
Bhop, are these numbers correct? I've taken 20% off of each component cost in a newly forged relic and 30% off of the component cost when upgrading a new one.
Also, Bhop, you've posted the wrong version of the character document in your opening post. that's V3.7 (pre Laoc Hunger Riot)

We're on V.3.8 (Post Laoc Hunger Riot)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aWnZNOdWUuITaPNUeluAufjfLetqOJWqkTBVFW24Dq0/edit#gid=0

>>4038689
Also, what abiltiy/Augment are you thinking of storing in the GoreGrowth box?

>>4038722
i dunno, 3,000% still seems a bit much. id have to see how we plan to split it, i suppose, but otherwise id cut off some secondaries to at least get around 2,500%.

>>4038723
unsure at the moment. same for Raths new Ability, though honestly either works just as well for her. i feel like Fibromancer would be nicer though, or at least more fun.

>>4038723
>>4038725
We could probably store Violens Testrastigma in it

it wouldnt hit her too hard for now and she could upgrade it for a bit and we could focus on upgrading it further without needing tro spend points

Or one of Ginas Cores either Alabaster or Virulent Persistence. While they are useful we can get by without them for now i think

>>4038722
(This looks good, yes. Also, this isn't taking into account any bonuses or refunds Tailor may grant, since hers apply during the Forging process instead of taking it off the top like Rath does. I'm actually rolling for all that right now, and the odds are fairly high that you'd be looking at considerably less of a final payout than calculated, so we'll see.)

>>4038727
or Raths new Ability, assuming its worth keeping.

>>4038727
Unrelenting Cold on Rath could be a good idea, too. We haven't used it yet, because it's the sort of thing that is only okay at low levels, but that also means we don't put any levels into it. Getting it up to the momentum-eating stage without having to bother leveling it ourselves could be really nice.

>>4038728
This is also apply to Forgeheart's Lyre or...wait. Forgeheart's Lyre only makes Relic Crafting easier to craft, although I wonder what bonuses Tailor will apply to it.

Also, I've did not take into account the following items after the discount:
>10 autonomous Swarmlings.
>Nitro Sugar (80% Generator, 60% Humoral Paladin)

>Tailor applying bonuses and refunds

Man, I think we've discovered a new boss fight: Relic Forging/shopping. This one's less involved than Level-up voting, but the number crunching when it comes to bio costs are heavy work!

>>4038725
Also, I'm assuming that we're also paying part of the budget in HP as well as Bio since we have a bigger HP pool to spend than Bio.

our total Bio not counting subcategories is: 12610% Bio
Our total health pool is: 15440% HP

a 3k average bio cost could be paid by our family members in HP, depending on the discount and refunds tailor provides.

And I'm sorry to say, I need to leave for work early, I'll monitor this thread, but expect me to not have much of a say in it.

>>4038742
i thought we had? its just an on/off switch afterall, so it would be backgrounds info.

>>4038742
>>4038725
literally any ability that we didn't bother to level up is worth the box. the question is what ability do we not want to use in the next fight? that's the real question.

>>4038745
lets wait til we see Raths new ability then decide.
my votes for Fibromancer on that too.

>>4038743
>>4038728
i guess with BHOPS words on further reduced costs , i can live with it.

but still cant do the spread to family myself atm.

>>4038744
Well, Rath might have used it during the Laoc fight, we weren't in the same area as her. But we didn't use it against Yurei since she had immunity to stacks and cold damage. So we haven't used it yet, or at least haven't seen it used yet, and so there doesn't appear to be much interest since we haven't seen it do cool things.

>>4038745
Really depends on what the next fight is, I suppose. Now that I think about it, we should hold off on using it until after we get the debrief from Amara. And ask her if she had fun playing with the Hyena kid. Oh, we should add that into the "have some cool new murder gifts, sweetie" dialogue, asking her if she's made a new friend.

>>4038757
>>4038754
At this rate, we won't embark on our expedition and finalize our loadouts and mission until late in the evening. And I'm completely fine with that. Fine tune the costs, get all the number crunching of Forging relics (aka shopping), say high and talk with Amara for a bit before settling down and making our battle plans tonight.

>>4038765
possibly.
we also need to say goodbye to Julia in full proper too.

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>>4038287

“If it won’t distract you too much, I’m curious to hear about the ‘song’ you mentioned earlier.” You say once your allies have donated a fair share of their own biomass to the cause. Stepping back, you give Rath and Tailor room to work as they begin to inspect the raw, pulsing biomass that resembles the aftermath of a messy sacrifice on the altar at the room’s center.

“thesongisthesong.” Tailor replies simply, her wire-wrapped digits picking and prodding through the pile of crafting materials. She deftly plucks a sheet of skin from the mass and holds it close to her eyeports, examining every in thoroughly as she continues to speak. “whenyouhearit, itfeelslikeyou’veknownitallyourlife…andmaybeyouhave.”

“Does it…like, have…lyrics?” Rath asks, glancing over the pile as she tests the weight of the fistfuls of jelly-like marrow in her hands, the grey blobs shuddering slightly in her grasp.

“…yes, thoughthey’remorefeelingsthanwordsthatcanbewrittenordeciphered.” Tailor replies after a split-second pause, which is about as much time as you’ve seen her devote to any amount of consideration. “theyspeakofcreationsandaccomplishmentsthroughouttheCrucible, havingbornewitnesstosuchwondersacrossthestarsintheirjourneyforcreationonafargranderscale.”

“What do you mean when you say ‘grander scale’?” You ask, watching the girls take choice clumps of raw flesh, molding the pliable masses together before depositing them in the Forge proper. “Did the Forges show you the point of the Crucible, or…”

You trail off when Tailor shakes her head vehemently, her head jittering slightly as she hums, thinking over how best to reply.

“ihaveatheorybasedonwhatthecoressing.” She begins, returning to the pile to search for select pieces of biomass. “lookathteCrucible. lookatthename. itisnotamerename, butanideathathasbeentranslatedtohowwemayunderstandwithourlimitedminds. Acrucibleinourlanguageisathingmeantforanend, to fascilitatethecreationofa’thing’. theforgecoresareasmallerversionoftheCrucibleitself, andwasengineeredtoaccomplishthecreationofsomethingbeyondourmortalken.”

“So…are you saying the species that get caught up in all this crap, they’re…what?” Rath says, Tailor’s words having struck a nerve in the girl’s heart. In response, Tailor merely picks up a handful of biomass, letting it slip through her wiry fingers until a sliver of bone remains, shining in the Forge’s light.

“perhapswearebutrawmaterialsforwhat’smeanttocomeofallthis...” The strange Flesh Artisan answers, examining the calcite shard close to one smoky lens before she gives you a hasty shrug. “…thoughofcoursethisisallmerespeculationonmypart.”

(Continued)

>>4038790

Tinker Tailor’s words hang in the air for a long moment before the silence is broken, the door to the Forge room clanging open with the overwhelming force of a child’s enthusiasm.

“Everybody’s ready to go!” Amara declares proudly, swinging her arms from side to side as she trots up to you, sheathed sword in hand and followed by a small troupe of identical clones, their faces lacking their creator’s adventurous grin. “What’cha makin’?”

“Not sure, but I’m sure whatever these two make, it’ll be something special.” You reply with a smile, patting the girl’s head when she throws her arms around your torso...though you quickly run out of hands to pat with as the Joyous proceed to hug you as well, their expressionless faces forming a cadre of dull-eyed little girls that have you on lock-down.

“Oh!” Amara yelps, her two-toned eyes suddenly alight as she stares up at you. “I have news, lots of it! From all of the ‘me’s I sent to scout with!”

“Excellent. I’d like to hear all about it, maybe when we get going?” You say, looking up when your red-haired companion clears the throat.

“Yo, it’s great that everyone’s ready, but where are we headed, exactly?” Rath chimes in, wiping the sweat from her steaming brow as she steps away from the Forge. “What’s the plan, Shu?”

Oh.

Right, that’s a thing that need to be decided on.

Well, though your resources are somewhat diminished from the forging process you’re still in better shape than you expected. As chaotic as things have been in Laoc, you have to say you’re not looking forward to leaving…particularly since you’ll be one short in the name of a choice you respect, if not entirely support. You can’t help but admire the fact that even after the crisis situation they were thrown into, they’re ready to march on your command…

…you just hope you give them the right ones, since that unnerving feeling in the pit of your stomach weighs just as heavily on your mind as it does on your Ravenous Maw’s tongue.

>>Assign teams and Relics, then give marching orders to your family…if you have Amara go with you, then she can give you her status report on the way. (Choose destination).

>>Sit down with Amara before you leave and discuss what she’s learned.

>>Talk a little longer with Tailor before leaving, as you’re curious about one or two things in particular (Write-In).

>>Tinker Tailor says that the Forge Cores 'sing' in a language that's more feeling than language...maybe between your empathic field and Amara's Skintalking, you could delve a little deeper into their song?

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next three hours. I shall wait to finish rolling for the Relics until I return home, but I believe you’ll be happy to know that due to Tailor’s skills, a handful of them have had their costs reduced significantly due to the ‘exploding’ nature of her skill checks and modifiers. Thus, I’ll wait until later to open the vote as to how to pay for the Relics until you know exactly what you’re looking at, but from my initial rolls it appears that everything will be well within budget.)

>>4038794
>>Write-In
>Go and sit outside a bit while leaving Rath a telepathic message to try and hide the relics crafted for Amara then have a small sit down
>"So what did you learn during your travels have done any awesome stunts yet?"
>have Amara sit down and start delivering head pats and scratches with several sets of spawned arms and have her give you the rundown of the stories of what happened
>"Tinker said the cores sing. Would you like to try with me to try and get a little peak at their performance? With your skintalking and my empathic field we may be able to catch a glimpse and maybe even make Rath hear it. i think she really wants to"

then after forging is done do this>>4038636

>>4038794
>sit down with Amara

>>4038790
A tool for creation is one interpretation of "crucible", yeah. The other one is "something that burns away everything but that which is desired". I fear that's far more likely to be why the best-fit translation for the world-eater's purpose is "Crucible".

>>4038794
>>Tinker Tailor says that the Forge Cores 'sing' in a language that's more feeling than language...maybe between your empathic field and Amara's Skintalking, you could delve a little deeper into their song?
>>Sit down with Amara before you leave and discuss what she’s learned.

>>4038798
sounds good, and hope your day ends well BHOP!

>>4038819
i think her artisan sides clouding her vision a bit yeah.

>>4038798
well i probably wont be here for that since i will go to sleep now.

Have a good night OP and Anons

>>4038829

actually ill be 30+ minutes late it looks like for the next vote, but such is life.

>>4038829
(Sleep well, Anon.)

>>4038831
(Depending on how much writing I'll be able to get done between now and then, you may be just in time when I'm able to update.)

>>4038794
>unnerving feeling of unease in Shu’s stomach
That’s the third time that’s been mentioned. Someone or something is up to a major powerplay and it’s bugging me so much that I can’t help but try to think on what we’re missing the past few veins. this unsettling gut feeling won’t go away and yet i’m let scratching my head on what is it that’s making Shu so uneasy.

>>4038794
>>Sit down with Amara before you leave and discuss what she’s learned.
>>Write-In
>"Let's go over what you learned first, sweetie. It's always important to go into planning with as much information as you can have."

Yeah, we need a sitrep.

>>4038839
So many possible things. Something to do with what the Wests are dealing with, Mara moving into the Cord for some reason, the Apocalypse Amalgams, the remaining Phalanges acting weird, maybe the First Awake...lots of spooky things in this world that could be going wrong.

>>4038847
yeah but they seem like distant events, none of them save for a few that we know of are ominous enough to warrant Shu’s uneasy gut feeling reaction. usually that kind of thing happens when the danger is super close or actually upon us. so what’s eating Shu? It’s not the hunger, Shu has already eaten, The Laoc hunger riot was cleaned up so we shouldn’t have this bad gut feeling in a moment like this, the flying amalgam has long passed so we would have had an amalgam warning by now. so what are we missing? what did we overlook?

>>4038861
I honestly just thought it was supposed to be BHOPs way of showing the stress and seriousness of the situation getting to Shu. I mean, im not sure we have any ability that should or would manifest any sixth sense at as a stomach ulcer.

But out of the options we have, im nit sure. Like you said, nothing specific stands out over the other terrible things we know. All i can think of we maybe have been lax on is all those daughters we know are moving in we need to assess. Maybe one of them is closer and more active than we think?

>>4039003
Good thing we've got Amara giving us a report, because she's got a Many trailing all the foreign Daughters that we know of. If either is getting close then it's either Rammstein or Revolution. Nuckelavee can move fast, but she seems to prefer a sedate pace, and she was pretty far from here as of half a day ago so she's likely not getting close soon.

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>>4039029
yeah, hopefully Amaras report will shed some light, and will be helpful in deciding our next move for sure.

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>>4038794

You usher Amara outside for a moment, sending Rath an empathic request to hide away a selection of the Relics you asked that they forge…you have a plan to surprise your young ward with one or two Relics to call her own, and you don’t want that getting spoiled while you’re getting the secondhand sitrep from the Joyous’ efforts. Extending the offer of a lap or two around the building to stretch your legs, Amara begins to excitedly fill you in on what she’s seen and heard throughout the Fleshscape…and the first two tales she has to tell are of particular interest to you…

>>SHU IS NOW AWARE OF BHQ – CAPILLARY (SAM & ‘A’ SIDE-STORIES)

“So…the Relics you brought back…they were Sam’s?” You ask incredulously, your mind still whirling from the breathless recap Amara’s given you.

“Some of them, yep!” Comes the girl’s chipper reply as she skips beside you, a few paces ahead of the line of clones that dutifully trail behind her. “’A’ seemed really nice, though we didn’t get the chance to talk to her up-close.”

“Hm.” You murmur, suddenly reminded of something Ivey had mentioned earlier regarding the Joyous. “Hey, did one of yours end up at a West lab and got picked up by the Hyenas? West Kai, specifically?”

To your mild surprise, your question causes a cloud of conflicted emotions to flicker through Amara’s mind, the recollection of what her Joyous saw causing her some measure of confusion.

“Yeah, but I didn’t really get what happened.” She replies, her brow knit in thought as she marches alongside you. “So…one of me snuck into the lab, and I was found out kinda quick ‘cause that West could see through my ninja stuff, and then…she kinda freaked out?”

You arch one eyebrow, and Amara struggles to elaborate.

“She…she just stared at me for a really long time, blinking and not saying anything. She felt…weird. Kind of like how you and Gina and Aunt Julia and Uncle Dorian feel when you look at me, but…stronger, kinda? She was trying to fight it real hard, though.” She explains, thrusting her hands in the pockets of the dress your Flesh Artisan made for her. “Then she got all spooked, ‘cause she got a message that West Alpha was there.”

“You met West Alpha?!” You blurt out, and Amara quickly shakes her head.

“Nope! West…Kai? It gets confusing…anyway, West Kai opened up this super-secret side room and pulled me in there, then she shut the door really quick, and little while later I heard her and Alpha shouting, then fighting, and then everything got real quiet.” Amara breathlessly sums up, finishing with a shrug. “Then my other ‘me’ just waited around until I was found. There were some toys and games in the closet, so I played with those.”

“Odd…did you overhear anything that was said between the Proxies?” You ask, and she scrunches her eyes shut, trying to remember an experience that wasn’t hers to begin with.

(Continued)

>>4039095

“Alpha said that there was…over-blood? Blood-over? Anyway, she asked Kai to come with her for co-habitation.” She supplies, blinking once, then twice before a look of uncertainty passes over her face. "Capitulation? Combustion? Cal…cali…oh, calibration!”

Amara giggles at herself, grabbing the hem of your dress as she grins up at you once more.

“That makes a lot more sense, now.” She smiles. “I thought that Kai just didn’t wanna be roommates. That was the biggest thing, except…oh! Oh oh oh! I played with Ringo and all their friends! I can’t believe I almost forgot!”

“Friends?” You ask with a smile.

“Yep! There’s like, fif…thir…um…” She stumbles, frowning as she quickly runs out of fingers and toes in her counting attempt. “…lots! Lots and lots of doggos that Ringo and Charon have saved! They’re telling everyone they meet about all the cool stuff we’ve done! There’s a bunch of people that really, really like you! You were famous before, but now you’re super-famous!”

“…Awesome.” You say, your forced smile serving to suppress the groan that threatens to escape you. Taking Amara’s hand in your own, you spend the next lap silently turning her reports over in your mind, and your young ward seems content in the quiet at your side as the two of you walk around the squat building that houses Laoc’s Forge. Setting what she’s told you aside for the moment, you reach out across the channel to confirm that Rath and Tailor are done crafting and stashing away your presents for Amara before you enter the building once more, the pair of artisans making swift work of your orders.

Finding the altar largely clear of the massive pile of biomass that once occupied nearly every inch of it, you take a seat on the edge of it that faces the open hearth, patting the seat beside you in invitation to Amara. Opening your mouth to voice the idea of speaking to the Core, you pause at the sensation of a familiar hum in your pocket.

You withdraw the Silver Key, pulsing in time with the Forge’s thrumming light.

First, when you acquired that strange new dream ability. Then, when you and Julia confronted Gemma, and the Key opened your mind to alternative solutions. Now…in front of the Forge, when you’re trying to tap into a thing that shouldn’t have any relation to the Dream.

You can feel that all it would take is just a little push, and you’d move past the threshold…

…though of what, you couldn’t say.

>>Hearing the ‘song’ of the Forge Core can wait, as you have much bigger things on your plate. Once Rath and Tailor are finished, it’s time to go. [Establish teams/Relic Loadout]

>>You still have a little time before you need to leave…and you can’t help but be curious about this ‘song.’ [Use the Silver Key]

>>There’s still a few more things you’d like to ask Amara about before you would call you debrief finished [Write-In]

>>Write-In

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, voting shall remain open for the next three hours. I hope your day went well, and that you find some time to relax this evening. Additionally, at the end of the next post I shall update everyone on the Forge results, which I believe you'll be pleased with.)

>>4039102
>>You still have a little time before you need to leave…and you can’t help but be curious about this ‘song.’ [Use the Silver Key]
i mean, we're here, and we actually arent technically in a rush. plus, this could possibly be very important.

now onto other points of note;
>West Kai
two things here.
First, really interesting how West Prime is having Alpha go around and force re-calibration. that is definitely something Francine needs to be told about.
Second, her reaction to Amara.... guys, uhh. just gonna put the obvious one out there first... i think West might know Amara. or
uhh
i think West Kai may of been Amaras mother hollowed out into a West.
only thing that makes sense really, as otherwise Francine would recognize Amara, or Amara Francine(and West).

otherwise, damnit Charon, stahp. we appreciate the thought but more attention very much might not be exactly what we need. or more like, the issue is, are you spreading our message, or our deeds? because i have a feeling its not the first, which could be bad.

>>4039104
well, my plans that should've made me late cancelled on me. rip.
but hey, now i guess i get to just relax, so thats alight.

>>4039095
>“She…she just stared at me for a really long time, blinking and not saying anything. She felt…weird. Kind of like how you and Gina and Aunt Julia and Uncle Dorian feel when you look at me, but…stronger, kinda? She was trying to fight it real hard, though.”
One of the Wests wound up with a parental instinct? Huh. Yeah, that's got to be a holdover from whoever got turned into the Proxy.

>>4039102
>“Alpha said that there was…over-blood? Blood-over? Anyway, she asked Kai to come with her for co-habitation.” She supplies, blinking once, then twice before a look of uncertainty passes over her face. "Capitulation? Combustion? Cal…cali…oh, calibration!”
Yep, bleedover. Some of the old inhabitant of that brain still kicking around.

>“Yep! There’s like, fif…thir…um…” She stumbles, frowning as she quickly runs out of fingers and toes in her counting attempt. “…lots! Lots and lots of doggos that Ringo and Charon have saved! They’re telling everyone they meet about all the cool stuff we’ve done! There’s a bunch of people that really, really like you! You were famous before, but now you’re super-famous!”
Charon, please stop evangelizing for us. We're doing just fine on that. But glad to see the Grand Pack is growing strong. Big army of space doggos, traveling the fleshscape and doing good.

>>4039102
>>You still have a little time before you need to leave…and you can’t help but be curious about this ‘song.’ [Use the Silver Key]

Also, regarding West Kai:
>She…she just stared at me for a really long time, blinking and not saying anything. She felt…weird. Kind of like how you and Gina and Aunt Julia and Uncle Dorian feel when you look at me, but…stronger, kinda? She was trying to fight it real hard, though.

>Alpha said that there was…over-blood? Blood-over?

Bleed over. That's the word Amara is looking for.
My guess is that Francine's feelings are bleeding over to Kai, making her feel compassion for Amara and making her spare the duplicate.

But if this is the case, what are the implications for Francine affecting the other West's?

And does the bleed over go both ways?

>>4039127
I don't think Francine is affecting her. Shes cut off from the network, remember? She wouldn't of had feelings like that to pass on til long after she was no longer transmitting to them.

>>4039118
>i think West Kai may of been Amaras mother hollowed out into a West.
>only thing that makes sense really, as otherwise Francine would recognize Amara, or Amara Francine(and West).
Shit, maybe? I think that Amara's mother would have been hanging close to Amara's cocoon, so if West turned her into a Proxy then Amara would probably have been eaten along the way. But maybe Amara's mom was out hunting or something and that's when West grabbed her. It would explain why Amara was such an unsettling visitor to West Kai, in that case. Because the Joyous Many was definitely the "one that inspires something far more unsettling for the cold Doctor", now that I think about it. It wasn't West Alpha with an assistant, it was two separate visitations. Ah, you bamboozled us, BHOP. Though I think we're justified in being bamboozled on that one, since you didn't tell us that the Joyous Many would be present in every meatspace interlude until the Capillary thread itself.

>>4039146
that, or Amaras mother simply wasn't near her. i wouldn't be surprised with what we know, if sometimes she left Amara behind at the town or something. might not of always been an option to haul her over, and the Crucible hit at a bad time for her on that.

>>4039152
Possibly, but the fact that Amara's mother did take her to work with her suggests that she didn't have anyone to take care of Amara. No daycare in town, or anything like that. I can't see her going particularly far, in that case. But we know that West Gamma visited the Town of Rust, maybe Amara's mother was just on the other side of town when Gamma stumbled upon her. God, that would be grim. Wake up in a world of nightmares, desperately run across town back home to check on your daughter, and before you can get there a mad scientist captures you, lobotomizes you, and reshapes you into a new host of the hive mind. I really hope West Kai wasn't Amara's mother. It is too sad for me to bear, especially knowing that we're unlikely to save West Kai before she gets calibrated. At least there should still be a backup of Amara's mom in the Cord.

>>4039160
we'll see, but honestly so far the evidence really points towards that. i cant see why she would have STRONGER feelings towards Amara than us otherwise. sure, if she had motherly instincts as a bug, she might have some. but stronger than us, plus the whole bleedthrough issues? really is pointing towards a very disheartening scenario here...

>>4039168
Yeah. And I suppose if I'm being realistic it doesn't make it less sad if it was generic maternal instinct. Because she had to have been someone's mother, right? Some woman with a young child that Amara could remind her of, a child that she loved incredibly strongly for the feelings she had for a stranger's child to be stronger than what we have for Amara even through the Proxy programming, and she still got hollowed out and turned into an extension of West's tendrils. That's less personal for us, but actually worse from an objective perspective.

>>4039102
>>You still have a little time before you need to leave…and you can’t help but be curious about this ‘song.’ [Use the Silver Key]
>>Write-In
>Spawn four Jacklings first, for the boost to concentration. Just in case.

>>4039102
>interlude was of West Tau being visited by Amara clone and west alpha
>Amara’s personal story says a West Kai

BHOP which version of a west clone are you talking about? Tau or Kai?

>>4039257
(Tau. Blast it all, that was an error on my part. Apologies for the confusion; the West from the Interlude and the one that's being discussed are one and the same.)

>>4039272
so what made you think of West Kai?

>>4039291
(Funny story; I was tracking the movements of one West Chi, while also reading trivia about the main character of Dorohedoro, and I ended up blending the two in my work-addled state.)

>>4039118
>>4039120
>>4039127
>Regarding West Tau
I think Francine should hear about this, we've got a glimpse of the whole system that causes West Alpha to come a knocking like the spanish inquisition, the bleedover effect is a big hint/key in what's West Prime is recently up to.

This might also affect the context of West Sigma as well and the other proxies. If each proxy had a host, then all are vulnerable to the bleedover. That's why West Prime needed a personal enforcer to ensure the proxies stay compliant.

You know...this is very very similar to how Ozmas operated with Charon when the former still had the Crucible Threat rating system in place and enforced by Charon.

(Finishing the update now, just working out some formatting issues. Thank you for your patience, Gentlemen.)

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>>4039102

Taking hold of the Silver Key, your hive strains with the efforts of creation as a quartet of Jacklings emerge from the holes along your spine. They squirm from beneath the chitinous plating that's slowly overtaking the flesh of your back, and the four skull-sized constructs surround you as you turn to the girl beside you.

"Amara, I'd like for you to try and...listen, to the Forge Core." You begin, nodding to the glowing hearth as Amara quizzically tilts her head. "Tailor here says that the Cores 'sing', so I'm kind of curious to hear what they sound like...and I know I'm not the only one."

Shooting Rath a knowing wink, she blushes and sticks her tongue out at you, and when you return the favor it's enough to illicit a giggle from the little one by your side. You cock an eyebrow, and Amara just grins wide before starting to whisper to the edge of the Forge's yawning mouth, your own empathic field narrowing, honed to a razor's edge as you focus in on the luminous heart of creation.

For a moment, you feel like you're falling.

You expect darkness.

You expect a void.

You expect the Dreamscape, with how untethered you suddenly feel.

The colors you see when you open your eyes are

They're

What is

You blink, as what you can only describe as the fires of creation singing around you, the words you'd use to describe them ripped from your throat, from your very thoughts when you attempt to confine them to a limited paradigm. The radiant space you find yourself in defies your mind, the lights that surround you a whirl of intention made manifest, strands and sheets and planes of will and desire and action.

It's pure power, unchained from ideas, or thought, or anything that dares to bind it. You reach out, and your hand his gone, replaced with a wish made manifest, a yearning to understand what is happening before your very mind.

Your thoughts graze a wisp of flowing intention, and you feel it course through every fibre of your being, its meaning writ large on every spinning electron, every concept of who you were, are, and could be.

It's flowing into the hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of Relics that are being forged at this very instant, across an infinite afflicted worlds.

It's flowing through every construct, every creation, every expression of the Crucible's might that laughs and mocks the laws that hold everything together.

Forges.

Engines.

Daughters.

Amalgams.

They've all tapped into the same thing.

This.

This is it.

This is the well spring from which flows that which breaks the rules of...everything.

Of what you thought were the rules.

It's all the same.

It's so very different.

goodness

You try to scream, and your cells do it for you as the voice that forces creation to part now speaks into the very seat of your being.

what's this?

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>>4039460

Agony. Ecstasy. Then...a balance, as the colors shift and slow and make way for a thing that

No.

Nothing is standing before you.

Nothing stares at you with eyes of void.

Nothing was behind Mother, when all her eons of existence pale in the face of that which existed before existence itself.

Nothing.

Nothing reaches out, wishing to flick you aside as one would a speck of dust, or perhaps something less. The thought of a speck. The idea of debris. The very concept of you is one that nothing tries to brush aside when your defiance flares out like a wave, amplified by the anchor that is the Silver Key.

You. Are. HERE.

ah

Finally, terribly...

Nothing takes notice of-

you

A chill ripples through the concept of Shu, the Defiant.

you're not supposed to be here

shoo

Nothing tries to brush you aside like an errant thought, but creation groans around you in response when the Silver Key keeps the idea of you firmly rooted in the mind of everything and nothing.

oh

playing with one of our toys, i see

that explains it

You open your mind to speak before you're cut off by the closing of a great gate. It's not slammed shut. It's nothing done out of haste. It's merely a turning of the other cheek, a sad declination in the face of your curiosity.

no time for questions, i'm afraid

no choices, either

that's not my role

i'm very busy, after all

and so are you

You stay rooted in place as you find the space around you pulled back, creation torn away from you and moved as one would a simple cup, from one corner of existence to the other.

You cannot be moved, so infinity was moved just out of your reach, instead.

we both have roles to play

so go play yours

There's no anger in the voice. No pride. No contempt. No derision. It's merely a simple statement of fact, from one actor to another.

and

A pause.

An emotion, the first you've felt since you've been unstuck from the reality you'd grown so accustomed to.

A ripple of laughter in the dark.

ha

i know i'm not supposed to play favorites

but

good luck

i'm rooting for you

that's just between us, by the way

You're not waking up. You're not rising from the depths of a dream. You're drowning under layers of reality, bound and gagged back into your own physical form as nothing fades, and something takes its place.

just

You hear.

our

You smell.

little

You taste.

secret

You see...

[REBOOTING]

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>>4039470

...the front doors of the Forge room.

Your hand is on the one to your left, pushing it open as you and Amara stride into the stuffy space. The girl at your side pauses, tugging on your hand as she's yanked to a stop when you freeze in your tracks.

You've done this before. The tilted sense of deja vu overtakes you as what just occurred washes over you in a pulse of realization, prompted by the insistent pulse of the Silver Key, still tucked into your pocket. Rath and Tailor eye you respectively with concern and idle curiosity as you take a seat on the altar-like slab, staring at the Forge as Amara takes a seat beside you. You look up, seeing the flickering Forge core, still nestled deep within the kiln, still pulsing with the eerie radiance that you know now is a sliver of what it's a mere conduit of.

"Um...were you going to say something?" Amara asks, tilting her head into your field of vision. She's waiting anticipating a request that you've already given, awaiting a decision that's already played out.

You swallow hard, in time with the pulse of the Forge and the faint echo of the Silver Key.

"...No. No, I think I'm good for right now." You reply, nothing on your mind as you turn to the pair of artisans before you. "Rath, Tailor? How'd things go?"

Rath shoots you a grin, and across the empathic channel you get your answer...and it's better than you could've hoped for.

>>RELICS ACQUIRED: Sui Tormentis (MAX/FREE UPGRADE) Sui Interitus (FREE UPGRADE), Hydras Heart, Cursas Alas(FREE UPGRADE), Gore Growth Box, Hearth Rod, Red Engine, Regen Mite x2 (DOUBLED CREATION), Ventrem Lanceam, Membrum Automata (TIER UPGRADE), Surgeon General's Essentials(TIER UPGRADE), Vocalis Nocere, Tollo Cadere (Lvl 2/FREE LEVEL), Forgeheart's Lyre

>>TOTAL BIO COST: 2,125%

>>(Upgraded Relic effects will be posted later.)

Shaking your head to rid yourself of your earlier experience, you ask Amara to close her eyes, urging her not to peek as you take a moment to plead with the ground itself to not give away what you're about to do.

"Amara? You've been wonderful." YOu begin, kneeling in from of the small girl as she grins excitedly, her hands covering her eyes and her second set of ears held down by a droll-looking Joyous behind her. "You and your ninja army scouting out the lands, finding hidden secrets, bringing back presents...you've done so much for us that I can't think of anyway to thank you except by doing the best I can. Although..."

Amara somehow grins even wider, and you can't help the smile that plays on your lips as Rath brings a trio of Relics to your side.

"I do have something for you...so it's time to open your eyes, Amara."

She does so, gasping in awe when she's met with a shining scarlet engine, a fibrous baton, and an unnerving mask. Her eyes go wide, shining with sheer, undiluted joy as she immediately turns and throws her arms around your neck.

(Continued)

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>>4039473

"They're amazing! They're so cool, I can't wait! They're the absolute best, thank you so much!!!" She cries with glee, bouncing on her toes as her eyes dart from one to the other before she finally turns to you, the question she asks lacking none of the boundless excitement and appreciation she started with.

"What are they?"

Rath looses a bark of laughter, and you can't help but chuckle as you begin with the largest of the gifts, taking the scarlet engine in hand and wordlessly taking Amara's calcite katana from where she left it beside her seat.

"This little thing here, might not look like much, but supposed to go on your sword." You explain, and you watch something behind Amara's eyes click as you're explaining the Relic. "It's based on a gadget used by this legendary demon slayer-"

"DANTE FROM DEVIL MAY CRY?!!" Amara bellows, her exclamation echoing throughout the windowless space.

"I...yeah, how'd you kn-" You start to ask, cut off when Amara thrusts her blade through the engine, which immediately integrates with the calcite blade as the newly-forged Relic begins to rev, and when your little one seizes the handlebar and gives it a sharp twist, she cackles with glee when its roars fill the Forge room. She's off in a flash, the deafening howl of the engine filling the space as she wildly sweeps the blade around her, making a show of the resulting flurry of stabs, upward sweeps, and the parrying of imaginary foes, the other two Relics forgotten in her fervor.

You'll...explain the others when she calms down, you guess.

Anyway, while Rath and Tailor clean up their workspace, you resolve to make the call you've been putting off for a little while now, busy as you were attending to all that demanded your attention in Laoc. Amara's explosive reaction was a welcome one, particularly in the face of...whatever just happened when you interfaced with the Core. You expected more of a phsyical reaction to the bizarre out-of-body experience you just witnessed, or maybe some nagging fear that'd be tugging at your stomach, but to your relief you find you mind surprisingly clear, your stomach settled for the first time in...huh.

Hands in your pockets, your fingers graze the sleek, polished surface of the Silver Key...a device that's been raising more questions than answers as of late. As much as you'd like to pick Yurei's brain about how she came across this thing, you do have a family waiting on their next mission...

...to say nothing of the kind sculptress you'll be parting ways with, for the time being.

>>A visit from something that defies explanation followed up by giving presents to your little girl...an odd way to leave Laoc, but it's time to go. Say goodbye to Julia and finally give your family the marching orders they've been waiting on. [Assemble Teams/Assign Relics]

>>There's just one or two last things before you leave, then you'll be good to go [Write-In].

YOU ARE IN CONTROL

(Gentlemen, I shall be pausing here for the evening. Voting shall remain open for the next fourteen hours, with posting to resume shortly thereafter. The vote for Rath's new skill tree will go live in the same update that she puts on the Sui armor, as that's when it will fully integrate with her body. I'll be around for another hour or two to address any questions, concerns, or criticisms you may have, and I do hope that everyone present has a restful evening, one and all. Thank you for your patience, participation, and enthusiasm, and take care of yourself.)

(Also, for the Anon that wrote the gift-giving section for Amara; don't worry, the rest of what you wrote is going to be used when Amara calms down. She's just like a kid on Christmas morning due to what you've given her, so well played, one and all.)

>>4039476
so... fucking... sounds like we just basically met god. or at least, something so far out of our ability to understand or deal with it may aswell be.
well, guess we know what one of our far off bosses is now, though id imagine something like that cant be fought traditionally.
yes i know it may not of been intended to be taken as an enemy, but honestly? fuck all that 'role to play' nonsense. Fates and Gods are just another enem to the path of freedom.

but anyways, you have a good night BHOP.

oh, also, what did we end up using our free/reduced replicate on?

>>4039479
>>4039490
oh, and did Julia or Rath take the Cursas Alas?

>>4039490
>>oh, also, what did we end up using our free/reduced replicate on?

(I'd seen some ideas batted around, but I didn't think that any consensus had been reached. However, if there are Constructs you wish to craft, you're more than welcome to.)

>>4039497
(It's at Max level, though it has not been bound to either ally as of yet. If you all wish to make that part of your vote in the interim, you're welcome to do so.)

>>4039502
...fuck me BHOP stop naming things so similarly in meaning, im dyslexic here.

DUPLICATE
did we end up Duplicating anything.

and fair enough on the Cursas.

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>>4039479
Goddammit Amara, stealing the thunder from the story telling, although I think she likes Dante from Devil May Cry. It does raise a question however: How the heck did she get exposed to such a game at her age?

Also, It's Funny that the Red Devil's Engine was supposed to be based on Nero's Red Queen, yet I attributed it to Dante.

Another thought: I never knew Amara was such a fan, it was completely unintentional on my part. I originally wanted to have it be a modular engine relic for heavy hitters like Rath or November where they can spend some actions charging up their big attacks with said Relic, but then I thought why not do that Devil may cry motorcycle sword that Nero uses? And considering Amara's sword is crit-based...well.

Amara's going to be one noisy Ninja when she draws out her sword... And her sword is gonna make motorcycle/chainsaw noises now...

what have I done?

>the Relic discount cost
Dear lord what did Tailor do? Is her crafting system akin to a d10 exploding dice system? How many dice blew up?

>>4039470
>>4039460
oh Hello there Nothing. Nice to see that there are other entities with skin in the system. Although the word choice could be better, "roles to play" seems very condescending from an entity in which our mind can't really fully comprehend and now it's got that other anon riled up and wanting to push you off your chair just for the sake of principles.

>>4039490

(As a traditionally Neutral-aligned player in Shin Megami Tensei games, this warms my heart.)

>>4039508
(Ha, so am I. I don't know why I do this to myself. I may as well keep color-coded notes for my colorblind self for all the good it'll do me.)

(I didn't duplicate anything since I didn't see that it was specified in the order, so you still have a charge left for it.)

>>4039513
(Her being a huge fan was such a throwaway thing in her character sheet that I'd forgotten about it until you mentioned DMC. That fact was a reference to a similarly bizarre gaming experience in my own life, actually.)

(Regarding the discount, it's actually exactly that. I made her at a time when I was testing out that system, so 'exploding' dice effects can and will pop up from time to time in certain skill sets, like hers and a few viral-based Humoral Paladins. To answer the last bit of your question; seven dice blew up.)

>>4039528
if only i knew what that game was.

>Duplicate
right, ill add my vote to the order, but just so you know what to look for BHOP, everyone agreed on either another whistle or Guardians Heart(for Marco)

actually, wait, BHOP, you can decide this i think, sorta.
the caveat for Marco was we Wouldnt do it unless November was ok/wanted it.
so unless shes ok with it its not an option, and would default to the Whistle.

also, what Tier is Margraves? if it is T2, could... Amara Tag herself... and thus her clones get it activated if she is attacked?

>>4039528
>(seven dice blew up)
>counts the number of parenthesis in that greentext.
>seven parenthesis
Well then. that makes sense. I wasn't expecting Surgeon General's Essentials to have a tier upgrade though...

(I didn't duplicate anything since I didn't see that it was specified in the order, so you still have a charge left for it.)

A question...what Tier is the Red Devil Engine categorized as? I would assume at least a T-2 for how limited in scope the relic behaves...

>>4039545
(November would be fine with it being used on Marco. However, for your consideration...)

>>4039546
(...I *would * classify the Red Devil Engine as Tier 2.)

>>4039545
(Apologies, I left out part of your question. Margraves is Tier 3, thanks to the sheer damage its capable of.)

>>4039559
ah, dang, but ok.

>>4039553
and eh, good to know, but feel kinda iffy to duplicate a relic we just made, especially when on a technicality the vote was already sorta casted too.

>>4039564
(True. And thank you for referring back to that, I see where it was. If anything, using the Guardian's Heart on Marco would certainly score you brownie points with November.)

(He's the last Swarmling she can ever make, after all.)

>>4039559
so.... BHOP, how does the Whistle work on November?

Would say, THA TER make any terrain she treads on 'friendly' to her then, for example?

>>4039570
oh, good to know. sounds like more than 'ok' as in shes indifferent, and more like she would actually appreciate it. alright then, that solidified my vote for sure. November deserves a little pick-me-up like that.

>>4039546
also, you know what we 7000000% just ignored once again?

November. we didn't even discuss or think about forging anything with November in mind. i mean, sure, any relic can be decent in her, but certainly not great is the issue, nor necessarily better on her over others just because she has open slots.

>>4039575
(It would, yes.)

>>4039570
>(True. And thank you for referring back to that, I see where it was. If anything, using the Guardian's Heart on Marco would certainly score you brownie points with November.)

>(He's the last Swarmling she can ever make, after all.)

Okay. we're definitely gonna duplicate Guardian's Heart for Marco, AND Forge a Mitsubachi cap for him as well.

>>4039579
I had an Idea for November in the works but I can't quite put it down in enough detail. But the basic gist for November is basically the equivalent of a pilot's escape pod for a human sized robot for November, keeping her original bits and soul intact should November activate the self-destruct sequence on her current warframe.

Shintai Vessel or something equivalent to how operators useTenno in Warframe. Something that saves November and allows her another chance to keep on fighting if her robot body gets destroyed. The point is, I don't want to lose November's dream daughter data to a Nuke.

>>4039476
right, vote;
TEAMS and OBJECTIVES;
>Shu, Dorian, and Gina
>>Help the Ant Queen with the burrowing Amalgam.
>>>See if Holly wants to stick around, and/or if Johanna wishes to come out.

>Francine and Amara
>>Access the Hexxane Statues Situation.
>>>Pass info on the Proxy Network to Francine.

>November and Rath
>>Scout out our way Westward, find us the next Waypoint or Town forward.


RELIC LOADOUTS;
Shu;
>Contender(½ Honey, ½ Parabellums), Matrons.

Dorian;
>Sui Interitus, Ventrum Lanceam, Hydras Heart, Manus Caelorum.

Gina;
>Membrum Automata, Tollo Cadere, Spine, Rebuke, Montags.

Francine;
>Spectacles, Surgeons GE, Ignition Gauntlets, Uzi(x3 Frost, Radiant, Acid, and Standard Mags).

Amara;
>Shawl, Vocalis Nocere, Hearth Rod, Red Engine, Vocem Virtutis(Enhance; RHO and THA, Free; RHO)

Rath;
>Tormentis, Gutgrab Daggers, Ego.

November;
-Slotted;
>Dainsleif(Arm), Jesters(Head), Whistle(Arm/THA TER), Sacrificium(Chest), Adrenal Nail(Leg), Peacekeepers Box(Core)
-Other;
>Margraves(Rath)
>>Duplicate; Guardians Heart(Marco, linked to November)

Left with Julia;
>Cutis Tractus, Cursas Alas.

>>4039545
>if only i knew what that game was.

I think this trailer video of the latest game in the series would fill you in nicely in brief what the game is about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH10JX8u0CY

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>>4039585
alright. thanks for putting up with my barrage of questions, like always.
have some nifty biopunk cyber rats as compensation.

also, is it bad i imagine the guns are actually relics, and some daughter giddily bouncing in place as she loving straps the gun and helm to each and every one of her constructs?

>>4039593
my god that thing would have to have engines almost as powerful as the nukes shes setting off. i feel like a 'blackbox' type idea might be more likely to survive than hoping an escape pod is fast enough. but not a bad idea.

what worries me is, BHOPs said hes not the type to 'leaves guns unfired', while giving us something like Novembers T5 Ability... and that worries me significantly for much more reasons than just losing November.

oh, ah damnit, totally forgot i kinda wanted to talk to November bout why she wanted to stay behind. she actually comes off as the type who would understand exactly why we cant, so it surprised me a bit.

>>4039604
(It's a pleasure to answer them, truly. Cyber-rats are also welcome, as I love rats and your idea about a Hive Mistress strapping them with guns is delightful.)

>>4039603
er, i may of not played em, but i know what Devil may Cry is a bit.
what i do not know, is what Shin Megami Tensei is, which is what was being talked about.

>>4039604
Another thing that I worry about is the fact that he gave us the Nuclear option and is handing it to US and entrusting US to make the call.

>blackbox
Goddammit. That was the one word/terminology that kept slipping from my mind! That's it! A blackbox! a blackbox that contains November's Dreamdaughter data! It's perfect for November! the blackbox relic will be the equivalent of November's Dogtag! Something to remember by so that November will never be forgotten/deleted!

....the issue now is how to translate that mechanically. I think...I think I'll have to make it a T-5 Relic. For something as unique as November's situation. It HAS to be a T-5 Relic in order for it to work because a situation like this needs to break the rules of the Crucible. I don't know what the end result will be, but I do know by my gut feeling that the sooner I can hash it out, get it forged, and have it installed on November, the better off we'll be.

>>4039628
good luck, look forward to seeing the end result.

>>4039470
>>4039473
Dozed off after dinner, just catching up: Did we time-slip, there? It sounds like the...admin, I guess, or whatever this thing's relation to the Crucibles is...that it folded our personal timeline in on itself so that we never actually tried to listen to the Forge to begin with. Though we seem to have retained the memories, so that's nice. Still, spooky.

And damn, there's a conscious entity watching the Crucibles. One that, though it claims to just be doing its job, identified the Silver Key as "one of our toys". Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but that suggests a complicity to me. That it's of a kind with the beings responsible for the Crucible rather than a repurposed lesser mind like the Mothers. That its role not to interfere is not an actual restriction placed on it but more like professional ethics. Of a profession that involves the death of galaxies. Yeah, I do not like the Admin. It better hope that we don't get a chance to go SMT Neutral Route on its ass.

>>4039628
I think you might be overcomplicating it. Winterfall Initiative says it sets the Forge Core to detonate, not November herself. Given that it runs on a timer, she should be able to rig her Core, eject it, pop in a new Core, and run out of the blast radius. I think. BHOP, when you get back here, could you answer if that works?

>>4039594
Hey anon, don't we have a second shawl? If so I think we should give the second shawl to Francine since the West Network is now on full alert and on the lookout for Francine's whereabouts. Even though the Wests have better resources that allow them to pierce through the shawl's stealth, it will still allow Francine a degree of protection from being detected by normal means.

>>4039676
i... think maybe? that sounds like something we got yes, but honestly i cant remember exactly. that and the list of what Amara brought back via her clones.

but if we have a second, then sure, im fine with that.

>>4039681
As I recall it was some Generator Sauce, the Shipping Goggles, and a second Shawl.

>>4039690
We're definitely going to need to put on the shipping goggles, to see what things look like from Shu's perspective as opposed to Sam's.

>>4039476
>>4039594
Adding in;
Francine;
>Second Shawl.

>>4039704
and then comes the horrible shenanigans where Amara and her clone runs around with it playing "follow the thread" al la scooby doo.

>>4039704
Between her Skinternet fandom and Charon's apparent attempts to turn her into a Messiah figure (what the hell, Charon? Does Hexane history not provide you with a proper context to realize what you're doing?), I think Shu would go blind putting them on. The only visible individual threads would be the ones to the party, everything else would be a solid pane of light.

>>4039716
A reminder that Sam once tried on the shipping goggles on Paloma and the light was so bright it auto-triggered Sam's built in anti-glare protection.

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>>4039716
>>4039723
yeah we probably shouldn't let Shu use them.
anyways, i gotta catch some shut eye. night folks.

>>4039723
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. Paloma's Skinternet famous, and probably has more connections at base just due to being a Skintalker. But Shu should be pretty blinding by now, on her own merits.

>>4039725
Good night, anon. Sleep well.

>>4039670
(Considering the Forge Core goes into meltdown, it's locked inside her when the countdown is initiated.)

>>4039676
>>4039681
(Per >>4039690, you do have a second Shawl.)

>>4039725
(Sleep well, Anon.)

>>4039731
>(Considering the Forge Core goes into meltdown, it's locked inside her when the countdown is initiated.)
Oh, darn. I figured it must be ejectable, given that it has a countdown timer. It wouldn't need one if November was locked to the bomb, she could just set it off manually whenever she wanted. The only scenario I can think of in which it would be useful is if November expects to be killed anyways before she can set off the bomb, like she wades into the thick of some huge tide of Amalgams in order to take them out with her sacrifice, so she sets the bomb so that after they're done swarming over her they'll get blasted.

>>4039748
(Actually, I'm glad you brought that up, given that the way I wrote it made the way it works ambiguous. It's due for a rewrite, thank you for bringing it to my attention!)

>>4039748
>>4039731
Dammit. this...this isn't how I want this to be...This is gonna make the Blackbox relic design for November even harder... Not only I gotta ensure it survives a point-blank nuke and the fallout, I need to ensure it's stable enough to protect November's save data and key'd to respond only to November's next of kin.


>>4039636
Some progress though. I've got some basic flavor text and a name...it's just the mechanics that keep eluding my grasp. I think I need sleep.

>SOLDIER’S SANCTIFIED SARCOPHOGUS: A soldier does not rest on the battlefield. Duty does not end with death, only when they return to the hands of family are they granted peace.

>>4039758
Well, it's good to get the confusion cleared up now rather than later when we might actually need to have November use it. Lets us get planning on that blackbox Relic in advance.

>>4039769
Well, since the bomb has a timer, we could pull the blackbox and then leg it away from her frame before it detonates. It doesn't have to survive the nuke, just be mobile enough that it can be taken with us. Either because it's compact enough for us to carry or because it is itself capable of movement and can be piloted by November like a little robot.

>>4039460
>>4039470
Alright... God or Admin or soemthign so incomprehensibly poweful it may be described as god......
Okay crazy theory below

That thing just made us Paradox and Paradox hard. In the other timeline Shu probably just stopped from having ever existed once she tapped into that powersource...... She probably also took the entire town and maybe the planet with her..........

Fuck this thing hopefully has some good explanations ready once we get back.......

Or wait..... Could this be OP opr a version of him talking to Shu....
Everything in this world of the crucible can be traced back to one thing..... The source.... or its Creator.......

In our world that would be OP..............

Nah he probably wouldnt do this..... it may be to meta...

>>4039476
Now for my vote.

I wil just support>>4039594
It seems like a balanced loadout though i dont think Gina needs the spine i also dont mind if she does use it and it bonds to her

>>4039758
And as i rise to face the day i hope you OP and all the other anons have a good rest now

>>4039476
No wait dang it I do have ammendments to the orders i said i would support here >>4039779


Instead i wil support

TEAMS and OBJECTIVES;
>Shu, Dorian, and Gina
>>Help the Ant Queen with the burrowing Amalgam.
>>>See if Holly wants to stick around, and/or if Johanna wishes to come out.

>Francine and Amara
>>Access the Hexxane Statues Situation.
>>>Pass info on the Proxy Network to Francine.

>November and Rath
>>Scout out our way Westward, find us the next Waypoint or Town forward.

>they are "just" two women wandering around to find a waystation for our use so we shoud have soem insurance for them to contact us and if need be retrieve them

RELIC LOADOUTS;
Shu;
>Contender(½ Honey, ½ Parabellums), Matrons.

Dorian;
>Sui Interitus, Ventrum Lanceam, Hydras Heart, Manus Caelorum.

Gina;
>Membrum Automata, Tollo Cadere, Spine, Rebuke, Montags.

Francine;
>Spectacles, Surgeons GE, Ignition Gauntlets, Uzi(x3 Frost, Radiant, Acid, and Standard Mags).

Amara;
>Shawl, Vocalis Nocere, Hearth Rod, Red Engine, Vocem Virtutis(Enhance; RHO and THA, Free; RHO)

Rath;
>Tormentis, Gutgrab Daggers, Ego.

>A hivephopne and a Gearspoke in case of emergency retrieval being needed or them finding information they think we need immediatly

November;
-Slotted;
>Dainsleif(Arm), Jesters(Head), Whistle(Arm/THA TER), Sacrificium(Chest), Adrenal Nail(Leg), Peacekeepers Box(Core)
-Other;
>Margraves(Rath)
>>Duplicate; Guardians Heart(Marco, linked to November)

Left with Julia;
>Cutis Tractus, Cursas Alas.

>>4039789
We need to have Amara set up the Amalgam-spotting group, too, actually. Unless we did that offscreen. How do we fit that into orders?

>>4039795
By having Amara become a blogger?

I think something like this
>once done with updating Francine leave her room to to hammer out her plan
>set up an Apocalypse Amalgams spotting side on the skinternet with an interactive map and go and tell all your friends about it so they start contributing. Or if you find a side like that already promote it

>>4039805
Yeah, that sounds good. Have that be her secondary goal while she's working with Francine. Francine can help her with formatting, since she is only seven after all. I guess that means they could be hanging around Laoc still, unless Francine needs something from the Lair specifically, so Julia could help as well.

>>4039476
Adding >>4039805
To this order>>4039789

>>4039779
(Ha, as meta as some of the things I've created are, rest assured that the being you just met is by no means any relation to me.)

>>4039725
no, it's more like you don't point the shipping goggles on Shu, because seriously do you know how many social links she's got that's advanced to A rank or S rank?

>>4039789
>>4039594
I do have a thought that came up in my mind recently. if West Alpha came and dragged West Tau back to West Prime's HQ with West Tau Kicking and Screaming all the way back for "recalibration" and Tau's lab is left intact, why don't we raid West Tau's lab while the Wests are not home? Because the moment West Tau returns from getting her head fixed from the bleedover effect with the equivalent of a factory reset, we won't have much of a chance to induce the bleed-over effect.

>>4040146
She might be back already though....
It could be worth a shot however

>>4040136
The strange thought occurs that since the Shipping Goggles can probably read negative relationships as well as positive ones, there should be one stretching from Shu to the top of the Cord for Ozmas' fear and loathing. Man, can you imagine seeing that, if you knew about the Mother having a physical presence but not who Shu was? Just scan this woman one day upon meeting her, and you see among her myriad other connections one indicating that the flesh goddess herself hates them?

>>4040146
The Hyenas hit her lab, remember? West Tau contacted them for a job, by the time they got there she was already gone. We should ask them if they recovered anything interesting from the lab, or if they just got out of there after finding the Many in the closet.

>>4040157
We also probably gained also gained an ethereal bond between Shu and "Nothing". Even though "Nothing had compressed Time and Space to the point that its conversation with Shu looked like Deja Vu, it's still a connection when "Nothing" deviated from its "role" for the slightest bit to show bias and favroites to Shu.

>>4040165
Oh, good point, Shu's also got an n-dimensional hyperspacial filament connecting her to some notionally-infinite void god. Looking at Shu with these things is not going to be pleasant for the human mind. The Tindalos might have a better time of it.

>>4038722
>>4039473
>>4039725
>>4039690
>>4039704

Okay, I'm now looking at the recalculated costs AFTER Tailor's dice exploded.

>RELICS ACQUIRED: Sui Tormentis (MAX/FREE UPGRADE) Sui Interitus (FREE UPGRADE), Hydras Heart, Cursas Alas(FREE UPGRADE), Gore Growth Box, Hearth Rod, Red Engine, Regen Mite x2 (DOUBLED CREATION), Ventrem Lanceam, Membrum Automata (TIER UPGRADE), Surgeon General's Essentials(TIER UPGRADE), Vocalis Nocere, Tollo Cadere (Lvl 2/FREE LEVEL), Forgeheart's Lyre

Sui got a free upgrade,
Sui Interitus got a free upgrade,
Cursas Alas got a free upgrade,
Tollo Cadere got a free upgrade after its creation, so its original lvl 1 cost paid for going straight to lvl 2.

That means we got refunded 220% Calcite, 290% Fibromancer, 180% Phantasmal conduit, 270% Hive Mistress, and 190% Generator.

New Calculated Costs after Tailor's Free Refunds

>520% Calcite
>100% Fibromancer
>330% Vitruvian
>70% Unnatural Predator
>120% Generator
>220% Phantasmal Conduit
>30% Hive Mistress
>230% Flesh Artisan
>180% Humoral Paladin
>105% Neuromancer

And the fact that Laoc gave us a giant Grab bag of 300% bio from class as a gift which means a raw -300% discount on all class components:

FINAL COST:

>220% Calcite (220% needs to be paid out of our pocket)
>0% Fibromancer (200% left over from gift)
>30% Vitruvian (30% bio needs to be paid out of our pocket
>0% Unnatural Predator (230% left over from gift)
>0% Generator (180% left over from gift)
>0% Phantasmal Conduit (80% left over from gift)
>0% Hive Mistress (270% left over from gift)
>0% Flesh Artisan (70% left over from gift)
>0% Humoral Paladin (120% left over from gift)
>0% Neuromancer (195% left over from gift)

Total cost out of our pocket: 220% Calcite, 30% Vitruvian.

God damn. We barely had to pay out of our pocket and we STILL have left over raw bio that can be used for crafting. We could've made some more wicked relics you know.

>>4040186
>>4039731
Bhop, I do hope my calculations are correct, because I don't want to double apply the gifts that Laoc gave us and cause a clerical error on your part.

>>4040191
(You're quite correct. I suspected something like this would happen since you did so well during the Laoc crisis on top of making the best choices when it came to the little Tinker Tailor sidequest.)

>>4040186
>>4040196
Well, damn. Tailor does some amazing work. I guess we'll keep the leftovers and put it in Amara's college fund or something. Except for the Hive Mistress Bio, that's going in Sir FuzzBuzz's super-PAC.

>>4039795
>>4039805
>>4039890
well, thing is, i did have that on their orders before as a secondary, but its not as immediate a concern as the Hexxanes are for a few reasons;
One- even if we located them, we easily could have no way to get to them.
Two- those things are big. just going to bash their head in might not work, on top of having to find out how to corral them into one in the first place, meaning until we have some ideas finding them might not matter.
Three- things that big and troublesome will already be being tracked accidentally, if not deliberately.
Four- the Hexxanes a pretty serious situation i want them fully focused on if thats what they're gonna be doing.

>>4040186
>>4040196
damn, Tailor knows her stuff. lil gals basically a Relic factory all on her own it seems.

>>4040199
i mean, that depends on what actually is done with it. we would most likely just use it later in reality, unless we leave it for Tailor to use for the town instead. would have to be discreetly though, so they dont throw a fuss at us 'returning' their gifts.

>>4040196
>>4040216
Are we still gonna leave the Void Orrey in Tailor's hands? leaving that relic in her care so she can restore more of its functions would be a good investment while we go out on our missions.

>>4040218
im fine with it.

>>4039594
>>4039479
yeah leave the Void Orrey with Tailor to fix up.
if Francine gives off any feelings of being upset or jealous, as kindly as we can tell her we would be perfectly happy with her using her freetime to come help Tailor, and resource management and specialties are a thing.

though i dont actually think she will be, more of just incase type of thing.

>>4040218
I guess. The stealth function is interesting, but it's still largely a curiosity for us. And Tailor would be psyched as hell about something that can give insight into the song of the spheres. Let's just hope we don't come back to her having gone all Azathoth cultist.

>>4040218
Sure we dont really need it at the moment and if we can get more out of it later by giving it away so it wont draw on resources that we can instead allocate towards dealing with West or any other number of situations

So i would go and tell Tailor to eat her heart out with the thing as long as she doesnt break it

>>4040221
I just realized:
We're putting Francine on daycare duty with Amara. Admittedly we're sending Amara and Francine on a scouting mission to see the Hexxane statues, but still. But why the remaining Hexane Phalnges?

>>4039594
>>4039476
and with no responses, and merely a formality due to knowing how you calculate votes,

>>4039805
adding in i am against the above section, not neutral to it.

>>4040228
because we need more information on them, and lives are potentially immediately at stake there too, aswell as they are immediate potential very big threats we might be able to hit while static if it does come to that. they could also end up being useful info, but again, we'll see.

as for Fran and Amara, they're the best we have for.. oddly very different reasons, for collecting more in depth info bout them and the situation over just... looking at them.

plus, it also might help us double whammy help the Ants, which sounds like a good bonus.