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Previously on Saiyan Conqueror Quest:

After Future Chaya and the Time Patrol’s own Ace of all people arrived, Karn attempted to battle the wild Meloka only to get heavily damaged and pass out. Waking up, he finds himself in the Time Nest only to find out Future Chaya and your Towa’s home was destroyed by a demon named Mechikabura. With Towa and Future Chaya by his side, Karn witnesses a Time Patroller summon a wish-granting dragon before returning back to his own time. Now back in the fray, Karn destroyed the Covenant warriors as the massive worm colony beneath the planet before destroying the escape ship. With only a few enemies left Karn quickly mopped them up, leaving the planet scoured of all life save for himself. And as we rejoin Karn, you’ve just finished giving Freeza a quick report.

“And that was the last of them.” you say, ending the report. “And that’s it from my end. Have you heard anything from the others yet?”
“As a matter of fact I have.” Freeza tells you. “King Vegeta, and Sorbet with the Ginyu Force have finished conquering Dal Na’ava and Dal Nu’uvo. Now they’re all on their way to Planet Dovair. And just before you called in, one of you students informed us that they’d finished oft the Covenant fleet hidden on Ju’Kahn.”
“Excellent. Any casualties?” you ask, slightly worried. You fought a few Sangheili here who would’ve been tough for your students.
“No fatalities, but more than a dozen mildly to moderately wounded.” Freeza says, you audibly sighing out in relief. “Now that that’s finished, you should head on back to the ship. We have a few weeks before we’ll reach the next system. Unless you’d rather spend that time alone in the pod?”

“I’m heading back now.” you reply, closing your Assault Pod’s door as you sit down. Ending the comms you relax back into the seat, feeling the slight lurch as your pod rises once more into the air. Laying back you relax and close your eyes, yet as soon as you do the pod slams into something and lurches.
“Landing successful.” the automated voice says, you looking around confused for several moments before opening the pod.
“Well well, look who’s finally back.” Turles taunts, you pulling yourself out of the pod and looking around. You notice several techs working on other Assault Pods, which have been clearly damaged by battle as you and Turles clasp forearms. “Took you long enough.”

“Me and my team took three planets. How about you?” you reply, your friend unable to contain his shock. Apparently he hadn’t been told what happened after your team took the first world, you briefly filling him in on everything that happened including the savage Meloka. “So anything interesting happen on your end?”
cont

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>>4362223
“Oh, there was something interesting alright.” he replies, smirking as if he knows some great secret. “But I think he’d rather tell you himself. Speaking of, King Vegeta also wants to talk to you about something. Had me hanging out around here, waiting for you to arrive and let you know in-person.”
“That’s odd.” you comment, confused. King Vegeta knows telepathy, if he wanted to tell you something he would have just told you. Wouldn’t he?
“Something seemed to be bothering him, but I didn’t pry.” Turles replies, hands going behind his head casually. Yet you can notice a tension in how he’s carrying himself, as if he knows more than he’s letting on.

But what do you do?
>Telepathically ask Turles what’s really going on
>Telepathically ask Vegeta what’s really going on
>Instant Transmission to Vegeta, and see what he wants
>Telepathically tell Vegeta you’ll catch up with him soon, and go see Meloka first
>Tell Vegeta you’ll be there shortly, but check up on your injured students first
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote

>>4362225
>Instant Transmission to Vegeta, and see what he wants

>>4362225
>>Instant Transmission to Vegeta, and see what he wants

>>4362225
>Instant Transmission to Vegeta, and see what he wants

>>4362229
>>4362236
>>4362250
Instant Transmission over to Vegeta wins it. Writing

QM UPDATE

Next post is ALMOST ready, it’ll be out within the next twenty minutes-ish. A lot of exposition going on.

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“Alright, I’ll see what he wants.” you reply, bringing your right hand up to your forehead. Focusing your senses, you find King Vegeta’s energy radiating out from further in the ship. But he’s not alone, another power with him radiating with intense power. Placing your first two fingers to your forehead, you use your Instant Transmission to teleport to your king. Unsurprisingly your teleportation brings you into in a high-intensity gravity chamber, but what IS surprising is who’s in there with the king. “Wait, Bardock? No way!”

“Well well, look who’s back.” Bardock says, voice a bit deeper and more threatening than usual. But that’s the least noticeable change, as standing before you is a whole new man. Pink fur has sprouted on his upper body, hair grown longer yet still dark. His power is far more intense than ever, your friend has done it. He achieved the Primal Saiyan form! “So, you ready for that rematch now?”
“Your form won’t last for much longer.” Vegeta advises, you noticing he looks beat half to hell. Glancing back and forth between the two Saiyans, you quickly realize what’s been going on.
“Training?” you ask, the Saiyan King nodding to you before you turn your attention back to Bardock. “What happened?”
“We all went Golden Oozaru when our forces were ambushed.” he says, growling a bit under his breath. “So we attacked the ambushing fleet back, us and Nappa made quick work of them.”
“But the fleet wasn’t the ambush.” Vegeta replies, a hard edge to his voice. “But a distraction. A lone Sangheili emerged from their base’s ruins, and somehow took both myself and Nappa down. If Bardock hadn’t transformed as well, we would have all been killed.”

“A single splitjaw?” you ask, your own jaw dropping a bit. “Was it their new Arbiter?”
“I wish.” Veget replies, almost sullenly as he looks down at his right hand. “Whatever he was doing, we couldn’t fight back against it. Any damage we dealt to him almost seem to reflect back against us. Nappa’s still in a healing pod, having grabbed the bastard and tried to eat him. He’ll be down for several days, at least.”
“Then how did you beat him?” you ask Bardock. “Didn’t his damage reflect back at you too?”
“Yeah he did.” your friend replies. “But whatever he did, when my own attack hit me it felt like something broke, and I turned into this. Whatever he was doing, it seems it couldn’t keep up with a Primal Saiyan’s power and speed, and I was able to kill that bastard.”
cont

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>>4362344
“Well, at least he’s dead.” you reply, then turn your focus back to Vegeta. “Saw Turles when I got back, he said you need me?”
“Yes.” he replies, mood darkening almost immediately. “While on our mission, we intercepted troubling news. We’re still a month or so from our next targets, but the Covenant aren’t letting us arrive without a fight. We’ve discovered a massive fleet of enemy warships are forming, and will intercept us in about three weeks. The problem is, there aren’t any habitable planets left between us and them, meaning fighting back will be difficult to say the least. Arctus and Tekkadan seem confident in their abilities, but I still worry. If they lose, all our people could die out here in the void of space before making it to anywhere with a breathable atmosphere.”

He’s clearly worried, but what can you say? What can you do?

Well?
>Between them and of course Freeza, the ship’s in no real danger Trust in your friends and allies to do their part
>Offer to Instant Transmission to the fleet as soon as they’re in range, and wipe many of them out as you had over Planet Navlan
>Tell him when they get close you’ll use your Foresight again, to see what they’ll do and how you should react
>Say he should meet with the techs, see if they can put something together that would allow him and maybe a few others to fight in space for a time
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote

>>4362346
>Tell him when they get close you’ll use your Foresight again, to see what they’ll do and how you should react
>Say he should meet with the techs, see if they can put something together that would allow him and maybe a few others to fight in space for a time
>Inform Vegeta about the possibility that they can make stand users

>>4362346
>>Offer to Instant Transmission to the fleet as soon as they’re in range, and wipe many of them out as you had over Planet Navlan
Our ship is a big bitch, she can take some punishment
that doesn't mean we can't soften the defenses before Arctus and Tekkadan can strike
also id like to add
>warn Bardock to not stay in that form for too long else he may lose control and start eating everything he sees
i've been catching up to the quest and remember this bit of advice Future Chaya told us

>>4362358
support

>>4362346
>>4362358
supporting

>>4362351
>>4362358
>>4362362
>>4362385
Interesting. Alright, roll me a 2d100.
First DC: ??
Second DC: 45

Rolled 88, 27 = 115 (2d100)

>>4362388
what are we even rolling for

Rolled 12, 58 = 70 (2d100)

>>4362388
rolan

Rolled 7, 37 = 44 (2d100)

>>4362388

>>4362389
>>4362390
>>4362400
88/100, 58/100. Interesting, writing.
>>4362389
You’ll have to wait and see

>>4362389
I wish I had kept the meme, but every action is a roll dawg.

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>>4362346
“It’s not that big of a problem.” you tell him, and quickly fill him in on how your battle over Planet Navlan went. “So, if I use Instant Transmission as soon as their ships are within range, I can cause enough damage for Tekkadan to sweep through them and finish this battle before it really starts.”
“I see.” he says, hand to his chin as Bardock paces back and forth like a caged animal. “Hitting them with a preemptive strike could easily decide this battle. This could turn the entire battle around.”

But as he talks your instincts suddenly wake up, and with a surge of intent you transform. Your body expands, power surging as you take the most powerful form you possess. And not a moment too soon, you crossing your large arms and blocking a heavy blow from Bardock. Despite being in your strongest current form, and blocking the hit, his strike still sends you sliding back across the floor.

“Tch!” you snarl, planting your feet and bracing yourself for his attack. Bardock doesn’t hesitate, dashing in and closing the fistance once more. You swing down with your left arm down in a hammer fist, Bardock twisting aside and slamming his left fist into your jaw. The hit staggers you, but using this to your advantage you use the momentum and slam your right arm into his now-exposed back with enough force to send him flying. “HRRAAAAA!!”

Your counter launches Bardock into the far wall, who hits with enough force to bounce before he flips to his feet, launching himself right back at you.

“RRRRAAAAAAA!!” he roars, you both slamming your left fist into his right. And to your surprise he can’t budge you, as his power suddenly plummets. Bardock quickly reverts back to his base form, and the enhanced gravity slams into him like a sledgehammer. Your friend falls hard to the ground, unmoving. A second later the lighting quickly reverts from red to normal, Vegeta having gone to deactivate the enhanced gravity as soon as Bardock’s power began to falter. You sigh out, reverting to your own base as Vegeta walks over, hand to his scouter and opening comms.

“Bardock’s finally worn himself out, take him to the healing pods.” Vegeta orders, ending the call and turning to you. “You seem stronger than when you left here a few days ago.”
“I am?” you ask, flipping your scouter on to scan yourself. And sure enough, your own powerlevel has indeed risen. Perhaps you got a zenkai boost from your ‘fight’ with that other timeline’s Meloka?

>Roll me a 1d2000000+1200000

Rolled 1049228 + 1200000 (1d2000000 + 1200000)

>>4362477

Rolled 100967 + 1200000 (1d2000000 + 1200000)

>>4362477

Rolled 804532 + 1200000 (1d2000000 + 1200000)

>>4362477

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>>4362482
>>4362497
>>4362508
2249228/3200000. Not bad, Karn’s power is now at 24,136,500. Writing.

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>>4362477

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>>4362477
“Huh, I guess I did.” you mutter, your scouter’s display reading your powerlevel at more than twenty-four million. But you turn it off, having more important matters to discuss with him. “Be careful when using that Primal power. I was talking with Chaya, and she warned me about her losing control and trying to eat even friendly people while transformed. Figured you should know, and Bardock too. Well, whenever he wakes up that is.”
“He’ll be down for at least a day.” Vegeta agrees, a pair of the Royal Guard walking in and carrying the unconscious Bardock from the room. “Going Primal takes a lot out of you, but you can’t really feel it until you revert back to normal. Speaking of, are you going to start working on trying to gain this power as well?”

“No. At least, not until this war’s over.” you reply to him. “With as out-of-control as that form is, I’m not going to risk using it unless there’s no other choice.”
“I see.” he replies, not seeming disappointed by this. “Well, I’m sure you’ve had a hard couple days. Why don’t you take today off, and recover?”
“That doesn’t sound like such a bad idea.” you reply, the two of you exchanging grips before you leave the gravity chamber. Leaving through the door, you look around and find yourself in one of the Lucrehulk’s massive, curved arms with people milling about everywhere. The majority of those walking through this indoor city are Saiyans, warriors of various power and the builders and technicians needed to keep everything functioning. And you now have the rest of the day to yourself.

But what do you do first?
>Go find Meloka, you’ve certainly missed the real her over the past couple of days
>Check up on your trainees, see how both the injured and not are doing
>Visit with the Ginyu’s, see how they’re holding up
>Find Tekkadan’s leader, and make sure they know what’s coming their way
>Other(write in)

>>4362623
>Go find Meloka, you’ve certainly missed the real her over the past couple of days
Wifey is the priority.

>>4362623
>>Go find Meloka, you’ve certainly missed the real her over the past couple of days
well i'm crashing the bed, see ya tomorrow

>>4362623
>>Go find Meloka, you’ve certainly missed the real her over the past couple of days

>>4362623
>Check up on your trainees, see how both the injured and not are doing

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>>4362627
>>4362633
>>4362647
>>4362673
Go find Meloka wins, writing.

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>>4362623
That said, first things first, you once more focus your ki senses on the one you’ve been missing. Finding her tremendous power almost immediately, you lock onto it as you raise your hand again to your forehead. And with a quick thought and surge of intent, you once more teleport. This time you return to your room on the massive ship, finding your wife sitting cross-legged on the bed. But that doesn’t mean the room’s empty, more than thirty balls of ki hovering in the room. And as you appear, they all swarm directly at you. Before you’re able to even react you’re surrounded, unable to move an inch without setting all those explosives off.

“He-?!” you say, unable to finish as the surprise makes you choke on your words. But upon hearing your voice Meloka’s eyes snap open, the orbs all retreating as she jumps off the bed.
“Karn? You’re back!” she says, excitedly rushing over to you and hugging you. You return her affection, only realizing now just how much you’d missed her. “What happened, what about the time traveler? And Future Chaya?”

Before answering her you sweep her off her feet, carrying your wife over to the bed and sitting on it with her in your lap. Holding her like this, you tell her about everything that happened. From the Covenant Stand users, to how Future Chaya and Towa are now part of the Time Patrol. And that the Time Patrollers have a magical wish-granting dragon at their disposal.

“Wait, what?!” she shouts at this, completely surprised. “Are you serious?”
“Yeah, I was surprised by it too.” you say to her. “But everyone got away from that monster Mechikabura and is safe for now, even our Towa. But what’s even wierder is that time Kai and Dumplin have both teamed up to fight against him.”
“That can’t be a good thing.” Meloka says, you seeing her thinking over all the implications of such an alliance. “That demon has to pose a serious threat for them to team up. But enough about that, c’mere.”

And she pulls your face to hers, you laying down on the bed beside her. After a time of simply enjoying each other’s company you feel yourself falling asleep, a smile on your face with your wife in your arms. You close your eyes, relaxing into the most comfortable sleep in days. Hours later you finally wake back up, Meloka unsurprisingly still asleep in your arms. During these quiet moments you ponder the coming battle, and what you can do to prepare.

What will you do?
>Focus on your Instant Transmission, on your speed in focusing and using it
>Focus on ki sense, and how far out you can detect powerlevels
>Some of your students were injured during their battles, you need to concentrate on pushing them past their limits
>Train with the Tekkadan pilots and their mechs out in space, and see just what they can do
>Other(write in)

>>4362908
>Train with the Tekkadan pilots and their mechs out in space, and see just what they can do
The Tekkadan are probably the most immediately important force at our disposal.
Our Instant Transmission is probably fine for our pre-emptive strike and our students know they can't just sit on their hands just because they aren't on the front lines for this one.

>>4362908
>>Some of your students were injured during their battles, you need to concentrate on pushing them past their limits

>>4362908
>Some of your students were injured during their battles, you need to concentrate on pushing them past their limits

Oh hey I just realized, we might actually get to use those EVA suits that we got offered during the first siege. I wonder what they look like.

>>4362908
>>Focus on ki sense, and how far out you can detect powerlevels

Rolled 61, 82, 49, 28, 87, 45, 15, 12, 94, 33 = 506 (10d100)

>>4362925
>>4362927
>>4362942
>>4362963
Looks like focusing on your students wins it. Alright then, time for training rolls! Roll me a 8d100

Rolled 90, 13, 15, 14, 91, 32, 69, 44 = 368 (8d100)

>>4362971
Here we go!

Rolled 33, 91, 99, 52, 28, 12, 2, 58 = 375 (8d100)

>>4362971

...why did you delete your roll?

>>4362985
...The fuck? this disappeared a second ago...

Rolled 16, 62, 47, 78, 34, 24, 53, 16 = 330 (8d100)

>>4362971

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>>4362984
>>4362985
>>4363000
90/100, 91/100, 99/100, 78/100, 91/100, 32/100, 69/100, 58/100. You had ‘em in the first half, not gonna lie. Writing

>>4362988
>>4362992
i didn't delete shit so i'm just gonna blame the site

>>4363041
It was almost certainly some kinda lag, the site is as fine a target to blame as any!

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>>4362908
While there are many different types of training you could focus on for the next three weeks, as you lay there with Meloka in your arms your mind keeps going back to your students. Sure they all survived, but many of them were seriously injured by the enemy. You have to train them to be better; stronger, faster, and more determined to win than ever before if they’re all going to make it through this war. Once Meloka’s awake you tell her your plan, your wife agreeing to keep helping you train them. After a bit longer in bed you get up, but first talking with the kids and seeing how things are going on both New Salda and with the Hive War. Disturbingly, Caulifla’s Triumph has once more gone inactive, but on one of her ‘trips’ she met a so-called god who gave her a book and a bell. But it had to at least be a being of extreme power, as when she reads the stories and rings the bell together can heal a large group of people at once.

After hearing from your kids, and learning what they’ve been up to, you and Meloka finally get up, dress, and start your day. First you head downstairs, Silver’s protégés having breakfast already finished and at the large table. Eating quickly, you both fly from the center to the left arm, where your students are already waiting for you both.

“Well well, looks like everyone’s here.” you say, leaping atop one of the gravity chambers and addressing your students. “First things first, you all did well. Everyone made it out of not one, but two battles, so give yourselves a hand.”

And they do, your soldiers cheer not only themselves, but you as well. Even a chant of “Karn, Karn, Karn!” breaks out, you seeing Lattu and Nion urging the others to join in. After a few seconds of that you shut it down, addressing them all.

“Now then, it’s time to get back to work.” you say. “Despite everyone making it out, a lot of you got hurt. So for the next several weeks, Meloka and I are going to be pushing you all even harder than before. I hope you all are ready, because your new training hell starts now!”

But what kind of training will you have them do?
>Raw power, they need to be stronger to stand up to stronger foes
>Focus on teaching them all Su Ma, so they can avoid or at least mitigate damage
>Focus on increasing their speed, their opponents can only hit what they can catch
>Teach your Energy Javelin, Death Beams, etc so they can do more damage with less energy investment
>Other(write in)

>>4363158
>Teach your Energy Javelin, Death Beams, etc so they can do more damage with less energy investment

>>4363158
>Teach your Energy Javelin, Death Beams, etc so they can do more damage with less energy investment

>>4363158
>>Teach your Energy Javelin, Death Beams, etc so they can do more damage with less energy investment

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>>4363186
>>4363203
>>4363218
Teach your Energy Javelin, Death Beams, etc so they can do more damage with less energy investment wins it. Writing(as you already rolled)

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>>4363158
You and Meloka divide the students up into groups, each of you working with small groups of five at a time as the rest continue to push their bodies in the other gravity chambers. You and Meloka start them off with learning the Death Beam; a fast, simple, and effective technique you both had picked up from Lord Freeza. The move is simple enough, focusing your ki into a single fingertip then firing it in a focused ray of energy. Most students learn the technique within a week, the top students able to fire their own beams to intercept ones fired from the other students.

After learning that technique, however, you then tried to teach them all something much more powerful and dangerous: your Energy Javelin. As a technique built on the basics of the Ki Blade, they all have to learn how to do that first. Shaping their ki into a razor’s edge is more than a surprising many of them can do initially, but by the time your three months of training’s over, most of them can now use both the Death Beam and Ki Blade techniques. However more than half of them didn’t stop there, not only learning your Energy Javelin but going even further beyond. The top five, fastest-learning students were taken under Meloka’s wing, your wife teaching these move sponges several of her own unique, devastating techniques. The days fly by, and almost before you realized it, it’s time. While reviewing the Energy Javelin with several of your students, you suddenly get the call.

“Tekkadan, all hands to your battle stations.” Arctus calls over the ship’s comms. “Enemy warships detected!”
“Karn, what the hell’s going on?” one of your students asks you, sounding nervous. “Are we under attack?”
“Not if I have anything to say about it.” you reply, telepathically reaching out to Arctus. “How long have we got?”
“We’ll be within their firing range in five minutes.” he warns as you rush from the chamber and head back to your room. You need to get your armor, as well as your weapons before heading out. “Better hurry up.”
“Already gone.” you reply, flying out of the left arm and to the central control orb. Rushing inside and to your room, you quickly drop your training suit and getting geared up for war. Two minutes pass from Arctus giving you the warning, and you’re ready. Raising your right hand to your forehead, you extend your ki senses. And sure enough, at the extreme far range of your senses, you can feel them: thousands, no, millions of beings are swiftly approaching. “Alright, here goes.”

Which signal do you go to first?
>Teleport to the closest ship, go ahead and attack it first
>Wait to find the strongest of the enemies approaching, and destroy their ship first
>Teleport to the first ship, then again to the very last ship and start your attack there
>Other(write in)

>>4363379
>Teleport to the first ship, then again to the very last ship and start your attack there
Ah yes, a surprise pincer attack. God I love instant transmission.

>>4363379
>>attempt to use Foresight to determine the best target

Leaving vote open additional ten minutes

>>4363386
supp

>>4363386
this

>>4363379
>>4363386
Supporting this

>>4363384
>>4363386
>>4363413
Going for Foresight to see how your options could go wins it. Interesting choice, roll me a 3d100.

Rolled 97, 40, 43 = 180 (3d100)

>>4363427

Rolled 21, 87, 43 = 151 (3d100)

>>4363427

Rolled 63, 94, 8 = 165 (3d100)

>>4363427

Rolled 82, 83, 58 = 223 (3d100)

>>4363427

Rolled 61, 67, 37 = 165 (3d100)

>>4363427
Ye

>>4363429
>>4363431
>>4363432
97 94 and dub 43 wat

Rolled 57, 39, 96 = 192 (3d100)

>>4363427

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>>4363429
>>4363431
>>4363432
97/100, 87/100, dub 43/100. Interesting mix, and going for the best results you see wins it. Writing.

>>4363440
>94
How the hell did I fuck that up? Anyways, writing

>>4362344
Also fuck they fought another stand user and almost lost.

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>>4363444
Which brings up a key point in our strategy. Right now, we only have (to our knowledge) a single fighter who's capable of actually dealing with a stand properly, and he's also the point of Frieza's "spear" so to speak.
That kind of gap in our armor has already been exploited multiple times, and it's gonna keep happening so long as it exists.
What we need to do after this battle is take some time to at least check if anybody onboard the ship can see our stand or at least perceive its presence.
How we do that though is the real question. And although I hope it doesn't happen, what happens if we can't find another stand user to shore up our blind spots?

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>>4363379
You may be ready to go, but suddenly aren’t sure quite what to do. What if whatever you choose goes horribly, terribly wrong? Focusing your mind, you sit down and close your eyes. You focus and try to once more use your Foresight, remembering what Bane had told you.

“The future isn’t set in stone.” he’d instructed you while in the pod. Many things can change, especially if one chooses a different path. And despite your few days of intense training, it still takes several minutes before you begin to peer into the future. First, you focus on what would happen if you attacked the very first ship. You see yourself destroy it easily, hopping from ship to ship and destroying each of them in a fiery blast one by one. You then try and change your sight, switching your intent to focusing their strongest fighter. You see yourself once more teleport to the enemy fleet, and much like before destroy it easily. But before you can see any further, a telepathic voice interrupts you.

“Karn, what the hell are you doing?” Freeza shouts in your mind. “I thought you were going to be out here helping?!”
“Wait, what?” you ask, confused. “Has it already started?”
“For a few minutes now!” Freeza replies, his mind feeling surprisingly angrily. “Are you getting out here or not?”
“Yeah, right away.” you reply, focusing your ki sense on the battle going on right now. And sure enough, things aren’t as you’d seen. Tekkadan are already on the offensive, and even Freeza’s out of the ship right now. You’d spent so long focusing, and trying to peer into the future from a specific point in time, you’d already missed the start of the battle. Determined to make up for this mistake, you focus on the single-strongest Covenant soldier, and Instant Transmission right to him.

“Wh-Karn?!” it asks, too shocked by your sudden appearance to immediately attack. Which is his downfall, you transforming into your Ascended form in an instant.
“HRRYAAAAAAA!!” you roar, letting your ki explode out from your body in all directions. The Sangheili in gold-lined armor, his crew in the command deck, and everything else that’s a part of or inside the Covenant ship is destroyed. Your sudden attack catches the fleet by complete surprise, another half-dozen ships all damaged by your sudden attack.

“Hey, woah! Did anyone hit that one?” Akihiro’s voice comes over your scouter. “What the hell?”
“It’s Karn.” Mika says, as calmly and monotone as ever. “He’s here.”

So you are. But what now?
>Have Mika and Tekkadan’s fighters move through their ships to their rear, you’ll handle those up front
>Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape
>Tell Tekkadan to get clear, give it everything you’ve got with a 100% Red Dawn and try to destroy them all with a single attack
>Other(write in)

>>4363516
>Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape

>>4363516
>Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape
We're gonna have to explain to Frieza what we were doing before the fight started. He seems pretty pissed off.

>>4363516
>>Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape

>>4363516
>>Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape

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>>4363530
Teleport to and destroy the ships at the rear first, make sure none of them escape wins it. Alright then, time to go on the offensive. Roll me a 3d100.
First DC 50
Second DC ??
Third DC ??

Rolled 46, 76, 2 = 124 (3d100)

>>4363538

Rolled 97, 74, 30 = 201 (3d100)

>>4363519
he's not the only one. GD next time someone(me in this case) makes a writein please tell them if there are problem's with it. as is i'm fucking off till next week

Rolled 27, 62, 52 = 141 (3d100)

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>>4363540
In all honesty, was probably the result of the dub 43s

>>4363556
I'm pretty sure that our delay was gonna happen regardless of how well we rolled just based on the nature of the action taken.
The double 43's either saved us a bitch slap from Golden Frieza or made sure we caught their strongest warrior by complete surprise.

>>4363539
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>>4363547
97/100, 76/100, 52/100. Impressive start, writing.
>>4363540
I had assumed that, as the one making the call to use a technique that takes you several minutes to get going and you had only a few, that you’d know how that would go under the best-case scenario.

>>4363567
Hindsight is 20/20
Should've just gone in immediately it seems, instead we threw off our entire team with the plan quite a bit.

>>4363568
If it's any consolation, we probably threw off the Covenant fleet with that one too. They have to be catching on to our Smash-and-Dash strategy by now.

>>4363496
Keep going I guess. We dont have a way too make more except knock up Meloka

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>>4363516
“This is Karn, I’ve engaged the enemy.” you say to everyone over the open comm line on your scouter as you Instant Transmission into another warship. “I’ll handle the enemy at the rear, and keep any of them from escaping.”
“Wait wha-?” the Covenant Sangheili you’d teleported to shouts, you interrupting him with a sudden Super Explosive Wave that completely destroys the rearmost ship.
“About time you got out here!” Akihiro taunts you over comms. “We were starting to think you’d gotten lost.”
“I knew you’d be out here.” Mika says, the two starting to argue as you Instant Transmission into the next ship, destroying it, another, and then another. But as you teleport to the next one, something’s different.

“Greetings, Karn. It’s been awhi-“ a familiar worm says. Dressed in his usual garb, the Covenant wielder of the Stand Death’s Door! And beside him is a normal-seeming grunt, except it doesn’t seem as timid as many of the others you’ve battled with before. In fact, this one seems almost cocky. Without hesitation though you raise your right hand and fire a Scatter Beam at the pair of them.
“I don’t have time for you.” you reply, but to your surprise somehow all five beams miss! The worm conjures his Stand Death’s Door between you two, your beams all passing through before it vanishes again.
“Surprised?” the Stand user says, chuckling to himself as the doorway now appears behind him. Walking backwards through it, the door then immediately shuts behind him, leaving you and the grunt alone on the ship.

“Come on, monkey!” the grunt says in it’s high-pitched, grating voice. “Give me your best shot!”
“I don’t have time for this.” you say, leveling your hand at the tiny being before you. But somehow it seems even more smug, and as it shouts you see why.
“DOUBLE VISION!” it shouts, your jaw dropping a bit at what appears. Standing before you now is YOU, down to the scars and weapons you’d swear that it’s you standing there. If you hadn’t used the Multiform technique before, then this would have really thrown you for a loop. “You may be strong, Saiyan, but can you beat yourself?”

“I won’t lose!” both you and your double say at exactly the same time. Well, this battle has certainly gotten more interesting, that’s for sure.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Rg9SkfrveM

-Saiyan Conqueror Quest 136 End-

>>4363640
Everyone enjoy the ride? Unfortunately I won’t be able to run tomorrow(I guess later today, depending on timezone) due to family matters, so this session will have to end here. Ready to battle yourself? Curious why Freeza’s upset, and what else is going on? Find out next time, on Saiyan Conqueror Quest!

I can’t lie, felt kinda gay to get into things late from that shit
Logic set aside, it just feels bad man

>>4363649
I probably should have double checked that everyone’d thought the consequences through. That said, I’m not going to “Are you sure you want to do that?” every time someone has a write in. Although this will be a good in-character lesson for Karn.

>>4363642
Looking forward to showing this two bit copykarn what's what, thanks for the run gd. Normally I'd be concern that this thing could have some hidden secrets like the ability to trick the enemy stand into doing what it wants but since we have a conscious stand I think our best bet is tyo activate our God Dragon and see of he can deck this poser. If not then I guess maybe try out the Dragon sword or transformation. My biggest concern is the stooge escaping via death door stand user and leaving the covenant with a karn they can practice and observe. Sorry for rambling, just thought it best to keep my thoughts in a single post.

>>4363649
I personally didn't see it coming, but it does makes sense to me. I'm fine with it.
>>4363640
I want to see if we can convince this Unggoy that his grunty thirst is better quenched in the PTO.
Also if this double functions how I think it does, I'm pretty sure Karn would see through it right away. That said, I'm still debating whether or not it'd be meta-gaming to go for the kill immediately or if you've actually foreseen my assumptions as a player and planned around them.
I'm not ready for this 4D chess GD.

>>4363640
Okay. What is this Grunts bullshit.

>>4363774
His bullshit isn't good enough, that's what. We can just rush his actual body with DDF while we hold the clone at bay.

>>4363991
I think you might be going about this wrong. I get the distinct feeling that Double Vision's ability is specifically pitting their target against a mirror image, hence the name. If you treat it like another mimic or clone or whatever, of course you're gonna get your ass beat. If you treat it like an obstacle that just moves relative to you, then you'll have a chance at taking down the Stand user.
That said, I could be completely misinterpreting what we know about this Grunt so far.

HOLY KEK IF THAT STAND REALLY IS A MIRROR IMAGE WE JUST NEED TO JOG BACKWARDS AND THEN SCATTER BEAM THE GRUNT WHEN MIRROR KARN PASSES BEHIND HIM

>>4364035
That would be the dumbest shit ever. But also the best.

>>4363674
Didn’t we use foresight fairly quickly with the wormboy though? The reason why most people thought it could be done in a reasonable timeframe is because previously we DID.

>>4364176
I think trying to see "What happens if I jump into this hole." is a bit easier than "What happens to the overall battle if I teleport into a ship some kilometers away and blow it up.". You feel me?

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>>4364322
>I think trying to see "What happens if I jump into this hole." is a bit easier than "What happens to the overall battle if I teleport into a ship some kilometers away and blow it up."
What if it's a big hole though?

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>>4364372
>What if it's a big hole though?

>>4364380
>You're a big hole
>For you

>>4363679
Remember that you’re already in Ascended Berserker form. The Grunt is still here, along with his Stand.
>>4363729
>I'm not ready for this 4D chess GD.
Hehehehe.
>>4363774
A Stand.
>>4363991
You can try.
>>4364005
>>4364035
>>4364035
>>4364100
This will be interesting to see how you all handle this. I will say, don’t underestimate it, or you’ll pay the price.
>>4364176
Concentrating on a single, quick action after several days spent concentrating on it is much easier than after NOT using it for three weeks.
>>4364322
Practice is very important.
>>4364372
>>4364380
>>4364404
Ha.

10 bucks say his bithc can copy everything but our stand

>>4364882
Nah if it was a perfect copy it'd just ice the grunt and tell us to keep our family safe before peacing out from existence. Mega-turbo-chad lyfe.

You know you don't have to stop running in a thread when you hit the 120 hour autobump, right?

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>>4363516
>“Karn, what the hell are you doing?” Freeza shouts in your mind. “I thought you were going to be out here helping?!”
>“Wait, what?” you ask, confused. “Has it already started?”
>“For a few minutes now!” Freeza replies, his mind feeling surprisingly angrily. “Are you getting out here or not?”
>“Yeah, right away.”
Oh no.
Karn got late into battle.
I thought Anon's intention was to try to quickly look into future to see on which Covenant ship it would be best to start the sequence of destruction, and then go into action right away. Not to mediate on the future for a long time instead.
I guess Karn does not have high enough skill level in Foresight to do it so fast yet.

>>4363640
>“DOUBLE VISION!” it shouts, your jaw dropping a bit at what appears. Standing before you now is YOU, down to the scars and weapons you’d swear that it’s you standing there. If you hadn’t used the Multiform technique before, then this would have really thrown you for a loop. “You may be strong, Saiyan, but can you beat yourself?”
>“I won’t lose!” both you and your double say at exactly the same time. Well, this battle has certainly gotten more interesting, that’s for sure.
Awesome. Karn vs Karn.
This will be superb battle.

But then at the second thought I realized:
>It is most likely Stand that made the Duplicate Karn.
>It is becoming clear that the easiest way to win is to just simply and quickly kill the Stand's user.
>But then that solution is so boring.
>I'm really looking forward to a real duel with False Karn.
I hope we are going to be able truly fight the Mirror Karn.

Speaking of being able to test which Karn is stronger.
>In an overall perspective we are fighting the Covenant at the moment.
>Because of that I am already sadly anticipating that any nearby "Splitjaws" won't let us have our duel with Duplicate Karn.
>When two Karns will busy fighting each other, the Elites may try to stealthily land some hits.
>Unless even they won't be able to tell which Karn is real and which is "theirs".
>Then again, they probably may try to kill both regardless.
Maybe am I having bad assumptions about Sangheili warriors, but that's what I expect from them.

Perhaps it would be tactically wise to just go for a fastest and easiest trick to win this.
>But such an opportunity for a real duel with "Karn" is something very rare.
>I'd rather not miss it.

So yes, I wonder if some Covenant soldiers will try to interfere and disrupt the duel.
> Hopefully not.
>We don't get a chance like this everyday.
>I really hope we get to test our true Karn against "their" false Karn.
Time to prove who is the best Karn of all Karns.

This fight is shaping up to be something special.
>Sadly there probably no Vox cameras around.
>Because I kind of imagine what the reaction of the crowd watching this live could be.
Also:
>Are Shin, Kibito and Kars watching those recent events via Godtube?

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I got excited about this, and therefore:
>For this special occasion I shopped this image into one from Vegeta's and Gohan's pictures.
>Karn VS Karn.
>I hope the head is not too big/small.

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There was one matter I was thinking about.
I wondering why is it that it is so hard to sneak up on Karn. Maybe I found something .
>Yes it's true, that Karn's senses have always been acute.
>Is that really all that is to it?
>"Maybe it is just his normal senses paired up with his Ki Sense."

Good argument, but Karn did not know how to sense Ki right from the start.
Perhaps my memory may not be 100% accurate about this, but if I remember this right, it was like this.
>During Saiyan Conqueror Quest 19 was the time when battle for Planet Kashyyyk started.
>This world was conquered later by Saiyans.
>It is now is known as New Salda.
>There and then (Saiyan Conqueror Quest 19) was when Karn met Guardian (Yoda) for the first time.
>Karn did not know how to sense Ki before that.
>Only later after meeting with the Guardian he was taught how to do it.

The moment when Karn learned to sense the Ki is important to this matter.
>Remember Saiyan Conqueror Quest 11.
>Lord Boros' ship
>Killua Zoldyck tried to stealthily sneak up attack Karn.
>Karn somehow sensed something was off.
>In that seemingly clam moment he did not let his guard down.
> And this allowed him to defend against young assassin.
Karn sensed trouble coming even though he did not know how to sense Ki back then.

How did he do it?
>Obviously it has something to do with Karn's astute senses.
>It could also be said that Karn have intuition.
But I am suspecting that maybe there is more to this.

Over time it has even became somewhat known, a rumor about how hard it is to sneak up on Karn.
Here are two more interesting examples.
>(Although Karn already knows Ki sense during those moments presented below.)
Example 1:
>Near end of Saiyan Conqueror Quest 58.
>Karn is on his ship.
>Earlier he decided what upgrades will be added to the ship.
>Some time later he went to sleep.
It will be best if I just post a quote from this thread:
>"Sleep comes near instantly, that form having sapped your strength. You feel the darkness take you, drifting off to sleep.
>You aren’t sure how long you slept, but suddenly you feel that you’re awake. Opening your eyes as well as your senses, you see your family are all back in your room asleep. Meloka is sleeping soundly in your arms, your kids all laying peacefully in their bed in a tangled pile of limbs. You smile at them, enjoying the moment, but something feels.... off. You can’t place it, but something doesn’t quite feel right. You can’t help but wonder if you’re just imagining things, you can’t see or sense anything wrong.
Karn trusted his "intuition" and searched for "something":
>A while later after what might have been seen as chasing shadows or looking for nothing he actually did found someone important.
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It's best to quote the thread again:
>Sensing danger behind you, you quickly twist, activating your Energy Blade. Your blade is suddenly caught between a pair of ancient, weathered hands, holding your blade at bay mere inches from his face.
>“Impressive, Super Saiyan.” an old, mustached man says. “Your powers of observation are as astute as rumored, Karn.”
>“Zoldyck.” you say, recognizing him and Ascending in a burst of sparks.
Later Karn and Zeno Zoldyck had a conversation. But still, managing to not to be caught by surprise by Zeno Zoldyck. I think that's impressive.

Example 2.
Best to just post quote from Saiyan Conqueror Quest 124:
> With the sparring match done you both go your separate ways, Vegeta returning to his palace as you go back to your ruined ship. You eat a quick meal before showering, falling into bed exhausted. Within moments you’re asleep, but after what seems only moments you’re awake. Everything’s dark, you hearing the subtle sounds of your family’s breathing around you. But something’s wrong. Slipping out of bed, your instincts warn you that something is coming. Slipping out of bed silently, you stand beside your bed and listen. You don’t hear anything that stands out,
Later it turned out to be that it was Kars skulking on Karn's ship.

So yeah both of those examples show a situation where everything seemed fine, nice, quiet and peaceful.
>Nothing to worry about.
>Right?
Yet somehow Karn this hunch, and each time it proved to be correct.

Yes, we know that Karn's senses are astute.
> But I think there is really something more to this.

Remember when Karn first had a contact with Geryuganshoop in Lord Boros' ship?
> Geryuganshoop communicated to Karn telepathically.
>From just this Karn had naturally and without any real training picked up this ability.
>Yes, he learned it like this.
>To learn it like that is something unusual and hints a hidden talent.
Telepathy is a skill that may come for example from Psionics, Magic or the Force.
I can't prove or disprove if Karn has Psionic potential.

>However there is something that has already been discovered and confirmed.
It has been said that Karn is strong in the Force.
>However he did had little training with it.
>But still.
Both his experiences with:
>telepathy
>and unusually high observation skills, sometimes seemingly picking up on things that should have not been perceivable with senses and even Ki Sense
>both of those point to the...
>Force.
What if Karn has been "observing" and perceiving the world around him with not just his sense and his Ki Sense?
What if he has also been "seeing" the world with the Force?
>Albeit it is something that he has been doing unconsciously.

What do you think about this theory?

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>This thing I posted above about the Force is tied to what I'm about to post now.

I was thinking again about finding some way to perhaps increase the benefits of Karn's training.
And not only that, but also turn Karn from being very lethal, to even more lethal.


So base of the plan is related to the Force:
>It has been said that Karn is strong in the Force.
> That itself is a rare gift and an opportunity, as many beings in the universe are not even barely force sensitive.
>However if it will be just there unused, Karn will never unleash this potential.
>It would be sad to waste something so strong and so rare.

It also has been said that his skills are at rather beginner level.
>As we seen in this thread.
>His Foresight right now too slow to be used as we want it to.
>His still learns Force Lightning.
Luckily for us those particular skills are not necessarily needed for the plan.
>So yeah there's one skill with the Force he is actually quite good at.
>Telekinesis.

He even does it somewhat unintentionally when he tries to do something else.
Quote from Saiyan Conqueror Quest 129:
>And for the next hour or so the ancient Sith tries to teach you to utilize one of the more destructive offensive techniques of the Dark Side: Sith Lightning.
>And while you’ve been trying to copy it, you haven’t had much success.
>As with each time before, you don’t unleash it as electricity, but as a wave of nearly-unstoppable telekinetic force. >After two dozen failed attempts he finally calls you to stop, giving a few pointers before returning back into the pyramid.
Another example is last Saiyan Conqueror Quest 135.
>Karn used telekinesis to grab and crash entire escaping Covenant ship.
So when it comes to telekinesis Karn can do something, and that is great, because it could be utilized in many interesting ways.

There's this idea.
>Karn enters Gravity Chamber and stets it to high performance.
>Karn transforms into Berserker.
>Now Gravity Chamber is to weak, but here comes time for the trick.
>He focus all of his Force to use telekinesis to create something...
> A floating telekinetic (Karn sized) bubble of very high pressure that attempts that crush squish anything that's inside.
>Karn enters the harmful bubble himself.
He is now in his personal portable bubble shaped pseudo Gravity Chamber.
>Being in it would be kind of like being deep underwater under high pressure.
>His movements would be suppressed and hampered.
>Similar to what is like in a gravity chamber
He would now train while maintaining this around himself to make it harder for himself.
>Possibly make it hard enough to gain improvement in base power level while being transformed into Berserker.
He would be also mastering the Berserker transformation during this.
> As soon as Karn finishes that he could immediately switch to Ascended Berserker to master this one now.

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>>4366305
Another thing is that as Karn get better at this Force and telekinesis thing, his " bubble shaped pseudo Gravity Chamber " would get stronger and more useful.
>Sort of like upgrading the Gravity Chamber.

The bubble only exists if Karn is focused on keeping him active.
This is great because prolonged maintaining it's active presence will help strengthen:
>Concentration and focus.
>Will power.
>Controlling and connection the Force.
>Ability to effectively use his mind in battle/ training while performing intense mental focus.
Now those things above are also very crucial and beneficial to:
>Energy mastery / control / manipulation.
>Reining the immense fury and rage that seems come each time we transform for the first time in any Berserker transformation.
>(Not just the first time, those next times too, when Karn transforms into a new recently unlocked Berserker form, are just as furious, at least until Karn gains some degree of control over it).
If I'm guessing right Karn is going to have to face that insane rage, but even greater, again when he first transforms into:
>Berserker Super Saiyan 3
>Emerald Ozaru
>Berserker Super Saiyan 4 also known as (Primal Berserker?) (Can you imagine the levels of rage Karn will have to deal with then? )
>Berserker God
>Apex Berserker
Having this in mind I think training will power and those other listed above, would be very helpful.

Like I said earlier training those things would also be beneficial to Energy Control.
>Training Telekinesis would give synergy to Energy Control.

That's important because mixing Energy Ki Attacks and Telekinesis has possibility to be absolutely and ridiculously powerful.
What do I mean?
Example 1
>Karn throws powerful energy attack.
>Enemy dodges.
>Karn grabs enemy and slams him into the energy attack he just dodged.
Example 2
>Karn throws Energy Javelin
>Karn grabs opponent with the Force and impales him on the Energy Javelin as if the opponent was some sausage on a stick.
>Energy Javelin detonates.
Not to mention ability to perform some seemingly impossible movements/ dodges with help of telekinesis.

Just look at what Meloka can already do:
>Swarm of Ki energy spheres that can explode upon contact, but not only that they also can follow the target like some homing missiles.
>And they are actively controlled by her too, so she can even stop them from hitting the target if she wants.
If she can do it, then this idea with Telekinesis and Energy Attacks should be more than possible, since it is actually much simpler.

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>>4366307
Telekinesis could be also used to hinder enemy's ability to escape, retaliate, or block in close combat.
>Yes, it's a very dirty tactic but...
>In a hand to and combat if Karn would use it to try immobilize enemy.
>if successful would open opponent to receive massive damage from punch( or puncher) .
>Even if just partially successful it could be enough to stagger enemy (or disrupt his movement).
>That could enough be give opening for Karn to deliver a punch.
Not to mention Force Choke.

Another thing is that if Telekinesis is used to create spherical shield around user and is also combined with our Barrier technique then it would create two spheres overlapping.
>One would protect from energy attacks.
>Other one would block physical strikes.
So yeah I think combining Telekinesis and Energy Attacks is really powerful combo available to Karn.
>(It's also worth mentioning that Telekinesis is just one of the basic skills that are possible with the Force.)

I think all of this is from theoretical point of view entirely possible.
Now it would be appropriate to ask:
>How far are Karn's skills from making it real?
>If we made that Telekinetic bubble would it be strong enough to allow base power level improvement while being transformed into Berserker?
If not:
>How much more do we need to train Telekinesis to do it?
>Are we like "Just a little bit more and you can do it".
>Or is it "You need months of telekinesis training to even dream about it."
Whatever it is I though this whole idea was interesting and worth sharing.
What do you think about this path to make Karn stronger?

>>4366298
Nice anon

>>4366301
>>4366303
>>4366305
>>4366307
>>4366309
It's cool and all that you looked so deep into thus for an in universe reason but we all know the real reason for the examples you mentioned is high rolls. Though force talk does remind me that there are,other energies beyond ki.

Hey GD the reason we can't use Dragon Force ki techniques is because it operates on special god ki while karn doesn't, yeah? Than what about other forces like Force or magic even if we can't use the later? Since Force and no are both a form of life energy could both apply in each other's field?

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QM UPDATE

Since this episode was so unexpectedly short, I will be CONTINUING it this coming weekend! So don’t look for a new thread, as we’ll be here!

>>4364882
If his Stand can, what then?
>>4364891
Ha.
>>4366073
I don’t HAVE to.
>>4366295
>Awesome. Karn vs Karn.
>This will be superb battle.
Yes it will. But-
>Perhaps it would be tactically wise to just go for a fastest and easiest trick to win this.
The real question is: could you do it before you stop you?
>>4366298
10/10 shop, saved
>>4366301
>>4366303
Here’s another point, and i feel important to note from your observation: Karn was ASLEEP both times, fully unconscious, yet something woke him.
>>4366305
>>4366307
It’s an interesting idea. While a “bubble” isn’t really feasable, as such a thing would take insane concentration and skill to maintain, he could train to simply push down on himself. Using all his mental might to force himself down, while resisting that with physical strength. Would take a lot of practice, and probably accidentally break himself more than once, but it could prove to be very beneficial. Especially against opponents, flattening them before they know what’s happening.
>>4366309
Chaya has already implemented such a thing into her fighting style, using telekinesis to nudge opponents like Cero ‘Trasum. Pic very related.
>Another thing is that if Telekinesis is used to create spherical shield around user and is also combined with our Barrier technique then it would create two spheres overlapping.
Telekinesis cannot, but barriers can be created that way. In fact, remember who taught you to create Barriers

>>4366646
Also, didn’t mean to miss you but character lenghts. Dragon Force, in it’s previous form, can do things this form cannot. However, this form has power beyond both your, and even it’s, comprehension.

>>4366667
>>4366674
Thanks Satan
Also on the whole force gravity training combo, there is actually irl an form of training where you do something similar but instead of telekinesis the person forces their own muscles to both move and not be moved
>Divine dragon force's Force
Could we use our force powers through DDF?
>Though user and Stand are one DDF is able to act independently
>Following this it could be possible to DDF to use foresight at the cost of it being stationary
>Also on future force training
I hope we can learn tutaminis as it is pretty much defensive Dragon's glare who works against any form of energy
>in fact force drain is the offensive dark side equivalent and the main energy source of the scariest sith
>Sith like Legends Sidous and Nihilus
I know it is unlikely as anons will prefer to train PL to gain Primal but a man can dream

>>4366758
Unlike before, this iteration of Dragon Force isn’t a channel for your various powers. But while it is more narrow in scope and range, that’s more than made up for by it’s power.

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Also matter a bit Unrelated to it all.
>I in "suptg" archive I clicked "Vote For (+)" for Saiyan Conqueror Quest 136.
>However now I see that the thread score is 0, and there has been 2 votes given to it in total.
Maybe:
> Anon who said "you don't have to stop running in a thread when you hit the 120 hour autobump " clicked "Vote Against (-)".

>>4366638
>Nice anon
>>4366298
>10/10 shop, saved
Thanks, I'm glad you like it.

>>4366646
>It's cool and all that you looked so deep into thus for an in universe reason but we all know the real reason for the examples you mentioned is high rolls.
Yes true. But rolls are not everything.
In universe lore and explanations matter and determine how far we can go, and how much we can get from rolling a solid 100 with a d100, and how much it will mean if we roll 50 on a d100.

>>4366674
> Dragon Force, in it’s previous form, can do things this form cannot. However, this form has power beyond both your, and even it’s, comprehension.
But how to unravel the mystery of Divine Dragon Force's not yet discovered abilities?
>Beside trying anything we can imagine with it once we have access to Godly Ki.
Perhaps we just need to have it summoned more often and get more familiar with the Divine Dragon.
>I propose to keep it summoned at nearly all the time.
>I wonder if he has some distinct personality.
>I mean I feel like we still don't know our Divine Dragon Force well.

>>4366758
>Also on the whole force gravity training combo, there is actually irl an form of training where you do something similar but instead of telekinesis the person forces their own muscles to both move and not be moved
Thanks, that's interesting.
>Could we use our force powers through DDF?
Cool idea.

>I hope we can learn tutaminis as it is pretty much defensive Dragon's glare who works against any form of energy
>in fact force drain is the offensive dark side equivalent and the main energy source of the scariest sith
>Sith like Legends Sidous and Nihilus
I like the idea of force drain too.
And yes Darth Nihilus is really special. However what about:
>"The Sith Emperor, born as Tenebrae and later known as Lord Vitiate, was a Dark Lord of the Sith and ruler of the Sith Empire."
He did stand out too.

>>4368175
(In my post above I accidentally linked to a different post than I should. When I linked to post >>4366298, it should have been linked to >>4366667 instead.)

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>>4366667
>The real question is: could you do it before you stop you?
Hahaha true if "False Karn" really thinks like real Karn, then he will know we might now try this or that.
That fight is going to be crazy.

>Here’s another point, and i feel important to note from your observation: Karn was ASLEEP both times, fully unconscious, yet something woke him.
> fully unconscious, yet something woke him.
> fully unconscious
True, that is very important. My main suspicion right now is that it is the result of his (despite it being untrained) connection to the Force.
Though it could be speculated whether it may have different origin such as:
>Psionics
>Magic
>Something else (???)
I don't have anything to support those possibilities right now.

>It’s an interesting idea.
Thanks
>While a “bubble” isn’t really feasable, as such a thing would take insane concentration and skill to maintain,
Thanks for explanation.
>he could train to simply push down on himself. Using all his mental might to force himself down, while resisting that with physical strength.
That is a very nice idea, much more approachable.
Something we could try to start doing right away.
>Would take a lot of practice, and probably accidentally break himself more than once, but it could prove to be very beneficial.
That is very good news that it could bring benefit to Karn .

Though the thought of Karn accidentally breaking himself right now in the middle of a war is a bit concerning.
We can't risk spending couple days in a Regeneration Chamber now. I bet as soon as we would get there (in the Regeneration Chamber) Covenat would attack hard trying to take advantage of the fact that Karn is not available among defenders.

But that risk could be mitigated by going carefully with it. At least in the early phase, Karn would not be using his 100% full Force push on himself, maybe like 50%.

The full 100% Force push would be used against some weaker Covenat soldiers, they would be our training dummies. We would not need to worry about accidentally breaking them too much. Karn could get a good sense of how to use it correctly.

Once Karn gets more skillful in this, then he can use this type of training at 100% Force without worrying about hurting himself.
And reap all the benefits.
>Especially against opponents, flattening them before they know what’s happening.
That is a splendid idea.
Thanks GD for refining my initial thought and turning it into something that is realistically available to Karn. Something he can try to use right away.

>Chaya has already implemented such a thing into her fighting style, using telekinesis to nudge opponents like Cero ‘Trasum. Pic very related.
I read that. It was just moving Cero's arm, no damage done to him (but it caused his sword to miss Chaya's head), yet even just that was a great example of how useful Telekinesis can be.

>>4368175
I’ve had at least one or two IPs downvoting almost every thread. Takes some pretty solid dedication, if nothing else.
>But rolls are not everything.
Yes. A very important point. Just because you roll a 100 doesn’t suddenly make the impossible possible.
>how to unravel
Good question. Perhaps all these Stand battles will let you learn more of it?
>>4368186
The most important point.
>Thanks GD for refining my initial thought and turning it into something that is realistically available to Karn.
Always fun to have an anon thinking of plans. And yes, telekinesis can be extremely useful.

>>4366307
>>Berserker Super Saiyan 3
>>Emerald Ozaru
>>Berserker Super Saiyan 4 also known as (Primal Berserker?) (Can you imagine the levels of rage Karn will have to deal with then? )
>>Berserker God
>>Apex Berserker
>Having this in mind I think training will power and those other listed above, would be very helpful.
just commenting on these, we're pretty unlikely to ever bother for Berserker 3 at this point beyond it being a stopgap for Berserker God, we'd get more benefit doing various training until Golden Freeza and or God Meloka/Vegeta were around to keep us contained while we went Mastering Emerald Oozaru.

Though if we do go Berserker God the God Ki balances out the Rage so we're actually pretty zen in that form.

But basically the most PROBABLE course of transformations is

>Master Berserker 1, Master Berserker 2, various Misc training, but espessially Ki control/WP/PL, and going for Emerald Oozaru/Primal/Apex Primal.

Or going Berskerer 3, the easiest way of doing so being the SSG Ritual used on us to instant unlock the form, and then using that to lead into Berserker God.

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>>4369016
I feel I should post some more in-deprh info in response to this, to clarify, so to everyone:

SCQ INFO POST

For Berserker 3, you would need to ask Meloka or Bardock, or perhaps another Saiyan who now has touched that power how they did it to start making progress sooner and paving the way as it were. As for Berserker God, it’s essentially a mastery of 3, and the “full” actualization of that path’s power. It is the mastery of self, and fully conquering and rising above your anger to become something more. Something even gods would fear. Transcending, in a word.

Meanwhile Emerald Oozaru, then Primal and eventually Apex is less about going beyond yourself and instead becoming more in touch with Karn’s more bestial side. Although you do overcome your rage to transform from Oozaru to Primal, it isn’t about overcoming your rage in the same way. Instead of “defeating” your anger, you become more attuned to your bestial nature, and one with it.

These two separate paths aren’t the same thing with different paint jobs, these paths will be a defining trait for Karn’s character. Although accessing the first stage of each path is indeed possible, you’ll eventually have to pick the path you will tread. Each way has it’s own strengths and weaknesses, and each one is a unique path to power.

>>4370423
>It is the mastery of self, and fully conquering and rising above your anger to become something more. Something even gods would fear. Transcending, in a word.
Would it involve going beyond our emotions entirely and tapping into nothingness? Because that's kinda what it sounds like.

>>4370548
Not quite. You don’t become emotionless or anything like that. But going beyond yourself isn’t an inaccurate description. Breaking your limits

>>4370571
In terms of raw power, does Apex hold an advantage over God in that respect?
Would our version of God technically have divine Ki?
How does our absorption of the Darklurker's essence play into things going forward?

>>4370423
I’m real torn on which path I prefer Karn to go down. Previously I wanted him to pursue Berserker God, but after reading this I feel that Primal makes more sense for him. Either way it’ll be up for the majority of anons to decide.

>>4370579
Strength in what way? Physical power? Energy consumption/power increase? Yes I know I’m dodging. But that’s purely to avoid metagaming.
Yes. Which is one of it’s strong points. A mortal, attaining divine ki by himself. And that will depend on what choices you make.
>>4370599
Well, a lot can happen in the eight years in-quest before Beerus returns. There’s this war and Chaya’s, finding Babidi, dealing with the Machine Mutants, the demons still hunting you, the Herans, well you get the point. There’s still so much to do, and so many things that can happen between now and then. And there may not be as much time for dedicated, continuous training as one might think.

What i want to know is what happens in regards to the dark side powers for each path. Does going beyond anger cuck it or make it stronger than ever?

>>4370423
Thanks for the post GD, and looking at it just makes me want Karn to go Primal more given how our Evade Death card has been our raaaaaage since the quest started.

But man, that talk about God, that seems perfect for Broly. He’s grown past his anger, becoming a protector already, Self Made Godhood naturally seems the result of his path.

>>4370961
>But man, that talk about God, that seems perfect for Broly. He’s grown past his anger, becoming a protector already, Self Made Godhood naturally seems the result of his path.
Words of truth anon. It really does feel thematically fitting for Broly to be our Gohan in this instance. And by that I mean what Gohan could have become after the Cell Saga ideally instead of stagnating and putting everybody at risk. Something like a proper guardian deity who actually gives a shit about the people and planet under his protection. I wonder if we'd have to give up our title as Champion to him if he ever decides to take up that mantle though.

>>4370889
That would be spoiling.
>>4370961
Your Broly has gone above and beyond most of his other selves already. It wouldn’t be out of his reach.
>>4370972
Still upset how dirty Gohan was done, but seems he ended up a better place end-of-Super than where he started.

>>4371714
>Still upset how dirty Gohan was done
Same.
>but seems he ended up a better place end-of-Super than where he started
Not hard to do honestly.

>>4370972
Wait a damm minute this whole comparison of broly becoming an champion just made realise something, Had Dende not become an guardian cell saga gohan could very well had become one as an compromise between his nature and his responsibility, fuckin toriyama ruined my boy Brohan

>>4370423
Now when you say ‘we can learn the first stage of each path but will eventually have to make a choice’, do you mean they we can achieve both Emerald Great Ape and Berserker 3, but can only attain Primal Berserker or Berserker God, not both?

>>4371714
Berserk God sounds cool and I want it.

>>4371738
Was more upset he didn’t get the final fight against Buu, considering he was stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku or Gotenks.
>>4371803
Well they wouldn’t have had dragonballs anymore, which is their most important mcguffin.
>>4371970
Emerald Oozaru is a go-between, once Primal is achieved. Once you reach the necessary power, you won’t go ape again. But at Primal/3, you’ll have to choose which you train if you want to go beyond.
>>4372016
If it’s the chosen path, it’ll be strong. Just to compare, same base powerlevels, Berserk God would be stronger than Blue Kaio-Ken but weaker than Blue Evolution/Kaio-Ken x20

>>4372105
>Berserk god being weaker
Didn’t it take some weird audience fusion to beat it tho?

>>4372105
Beserk God is stronger as a base than Sayain god and Super Blue, and Super Blue Kaioken.

As a Base. Holy fuck.

>>4372113
Thats not what he said? He said that if both fighters had the same base PL, then Berserker God would be stronger then Blue Kaio ken but weaker then Royal Blue or Kaio-Ken 20.

>>4372118
super blue is an improvement on Sayain god. Blue Kaioken is an improvement on Blue.

If Berserk God is stronger then Blue Kaioken, it stands to reason its stronger than Blue and Regular Sayain god as well.

>>4372105
So if we focus on Berserker Primal, we won’t be able to use Berserker 3? Or is it just that we wouldn’t be able to evolve Berserker 3 to Berserker God?

>>4372110
Weaker than them *with the same base power*. Remember, OG movie Broly was far weaker than Goku/Vegeta/Future Trunks/Gohan.
>>4372113
It’s a very powerful form.
>>4372118
In it’s unmastered state, let me clarify what he means. Berserk God is stronger than the ‘normal’ route.
>>4372134
If you go the Primal route, 3 will not be upgradable for you. Same for 3, if you focus it you’ll not be able to train Primal.

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>>4369016
>>4370423
>>4370548
>>4370571
>>4370579
>>4370599
>>4370620
>>4370889
>>4370961
>>4370972
>>4371714
>>4371970
>>4372016
So good you have this discussion. So much important info posted.
>These two separate paths aren’t the same thing with different paint jobs, these paths will be a defining trait for Karn’s character. Although accessing the first stage of each path is indeed possible, you’ll eventually have to pick the path you will tread. Each way has it’s own strengths and weaknesses, and each one is a unique path to power.
Honestly I did not know that it is possible to have both of them only to a certain point. And that if you want to progress further you have to choose whether you go
> the path of "Primal Berserker"
or
> the path of "Berserker God".
Seriously GD that is a big news, like dropping a bombshell it changes the entire perspective on what can we do in our future.
>We are in a situation where we need to choose between 2 (two) awesome options.
>Yes I like both, but apparently we can have only one.
Very difficult choice, but it got me thinking.

Before we venture into any of those reads I feel like we need to really know them well. So we don't end up disappointed with the choice.
> because we learn something important that would change our mind, but we get this knowledge after the decision is already done.

Ok so I was thinking about both of those paths, Karn, and all that.
>I posted below what seems to be reasonable information that can be concluded from what we know about those 2 possible transformation options.
>This is to clarify the whole situation as much as we can.
>I made some pictures to better describe what I'm talking about.

Picture 1.
>Karn is not regular Saiyan, therefore his possible path is different.
>Nothing to miss really.
>Karn's Berserker potential dwarfs massively what regular Saiyan path offers.

The only little inconvenience could be that Super Saiyan God Ritual won't work on Karn like it did on Goku.
>But Karn can attain Godly Ki without ritual.
>All by himself.

However I have a an idea for a shotcut.
>If we would use Super Saiyan God Ritual on Karn right now he would not attain Godly Ki.
>He would transform right into Berserker Super Saiyan 3, but no Godly Ki gained.
But imagine a situation where we have Berserker Super Saiyan 3 already unlocked.
>We then do use Super Saiyan God Ritual on Karn.
>It would not put us into Berserker Super Saiyan 3, because we already have it.
>It would most likely instantly get us to Berserker God and actually giving us Godly Ki tight there and then.
That's my idea for shortcut. I wonder if it would work.

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>>4372152
Closest thing Karn has to a Regular Super Saiyan is Legendary Super Saiyan.
>It's better than regular.
Example:
Power multiplier of base form:
> Super Saiyan- 50x base
> Legendary Saiyan- 100x base
Nice. It gets better.
>Ascended Super Saiyan- 100x base
>Ascended Legendary- 200x base
We have not unlocked more Legendary forms.
Legendary Super Saiyan:
>Looks cool.
>Better than regular.
>But really it's mostly useful when we want to be gentle and go easy on the opponent.
> I mean by that not use our full power.
Unlocking further forms of Legendary seems not really useful.
Berserker Super Saiyan is all of that, but much, much better.

Bonus question:
>Is that Legendary Super Saiyan God path even possible?

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>>4372156
Berserker path, and also the best path in my opinion.
As we can see:
>From Berseker Super Saiyan 1
>to Berseker Super Saiyan 2 (Ascended Berserker)
>The path is undivided.
But at that point option to go 2 different ways appears.
>Those ways are not mutually exclusive yet.

GD said about Primal Berserker, Apex Primal and Berserker God:
>" Although accessing the first stage of each path is indeed possible, you’ll eventually have to pick the path you will tread."

From what I understood by what GD said it goes like this.
Karn can simultaneously attain those forms, and have them available to use:
>Emerald Ozaru
>Berserker Super Saiyan 3.
From this point he can go further and attain both of those forms:
>Primal Saiyan
>Berserker Super Saiyan 3.
But that is where it ends. At this point he must choose which path he will truly follow.
>To reach Apex Berserker you must truly become in touch with his bestial side.
>As I understand it this means giving up Berserker God, never going in that direction again .
GD said about Berserker God:
> It is the mastery of self, and fully conquering and rising above your anger to become something more. Something even gods would fear.
I suppose:
>To follow Berserker God path further means leaving Primal Berserer and Apex Berserker behind forever.
In other news if Karn truly gets far in one of those 2 paths, he will lose access to the other one.
However specialization will give (GD quote):
> Each way has it’s own strengths and weaknesses, and each one is a unique path to power.

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>>4372160
Whan a Saiyan gets Godly Ki it's color is always orange/fiery.
>Gods each have their specific color of Godly Ki.
But Berserker God have his own color of Godly Ki too.
>It's teal.
>The Berserker state influences Godly Ki too.
Interesting.

I honestly have certain preference.

I do admit that Primal is awesome.
>But primal uses Mortal Ki.

However Godly Ki is awesome in my perspective.
Example from Dragon Ball Super
>Transform into Super Saiyan using Mortal Ki.
>It's ok, but does not stand any chance against Beerus and other threats in Super.
>Not even Super Saiyan 3 with Mortal Ki make it in super.
But:
>transform into a Super Saiyan with a Godly Ki.
>You get into Super Saiyan Blue.
>Form that allows you to fight with threats in Super.
So yeah I think Godly Ki is inherently stronger, and more useful to attain, and gives a lot of bonuses.
>Once we obtain it we it will take us on a whole new level.
From my perspective I prefer Beresrker God.

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>>4372163
I wonder once we get Godly Ki available we will be able to use it with our previous forms:
>Berserker
>and Ascended Berserker.

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This post is a bit of a bonus, nothing important, you can skip it.

I typed this before GD clarified that you can only get
>Berserker 3
And
>Primal Berserker
at the same time.

For a while I was thinking that it would be possible to get.
> a hidden option.
Which was available in a moment where you got:
> Primal Berserker
>and
> Berserker God.

From there you would
>Transform into Primal Berserker using Godly Ki.
>And thus accessing hidden path
Primal Berserker God.

I bet if we pulled it off it would be something that has not yet happened in any time line ever.
>Pretty cool possibility if only theoretical.

>>4372167
we could probably do something like that if we used the super dragon balls and the time loli didnt immediately NOPE our existence.

>>4372164
>I wonder once we get Godly Ki available we will be able to use it with our previous forms:
It should be:
>I wonder IF once get Godly Ki available will we be able to use it with our previous forms?

Also sorry for any mistakes in writing, I might have missed more. I hope it's understandable despite that.

>>4372173
>we could probably do something like that if we used the super dragon balls and the time loli didnt immediately NOPE our existence.
Primal Berserker God
>Something like that could make gods feel uneasy.

I have an idea, but before I post it I need to ask GD, a couple threads ago you said Ace had more or less caught up Future Chaya in terms of Base PL right?

>>4372152
The Super Saiyan God ritual will not work like a shortcut as you imagine here. But it is a necessary step to unlock that form’s full potential.
>>4372156
It is more akin to Kale’s progression in the ToP. Lose some of the power/rage in exchange for far better control and sustainability.
As for a Legendary God, who knows? Your Towa is unaware of one such being.
>>4372160
Emerald/Golden Oozaru are in-between forms, and once the Primal state is fully achieved it will no longer be useful.
As for your choice, each line has it’s own strengths and weaknesses. Certain techniques/abilities will only be available on one path or the other, and may influence how he’s perceived across the universe.
>>4372163
>But Berserker God have his own color of Godly Ki too.
Because unlike the normal Super Saiyan God, the Berserker God achieves that type of power differently.
To be fair, the same can be said of Primal. Just look at Baby Vegeta.
>>4372167
>>4372173
>and the time loli didnt immediately NOPE our existence.
A legitimate threat if it were ever realized. But she may still erase you regardless.
>>4372210
I’ll say this here, since she’s moved to Conton City, Chaya in her Apex form and Ace’s Blue Evolution form are now evenly matched. As for their base forms, that’d be telling.

So GD, a Berserker God is more dangerous than a Primal Berserker?

>>4372224
>I’ll say this here, since she’s moved to Conton City, Chaya in her Apex form and Ace’s Blue Evolution form are now evenly matched. As for their base forms, that’d be telling.
See, even that though is telling us alot, and soft confirms the idea I had.

I'd say that in raw bigatons, Apex Berserker is the stronger form, with Berserker God having the advantage of God Ki tricks like that paralysis move Goku used on Broly in the Super Movie as an example.

As GD said, Chaya's Apex Primal form ties with Aces Blue Evoltion, but Berserker Forms are 3X stronger then the normal SS forms. So Apex Berserker would be X3 more powerful then Apex Primal.

So yeah, hate to repeat myself, but I'd say Primal = Dakka, God = Hax, but here's the funny bit. We already have DIVINE Dragon Force. A Stand with its own God Ki who GD has himself admitted has powers it doesn't even know it has.

So desu I think we can sorta get the best of both worlds here with Apex/Primal Berserker Dakka + Divine Dragon Force Hax.

Also and this is pure personal opinion here, but given the Very High likelyhood that Broly will go Berserker God when he gets the chance, I'd like to Berserker Primal, because we're the only other one who can, and it seems like fun duality to have with our son.

>The Father Who Embraced His Primal Roots Of Divine Power

>The Son Who Shattered His Limits And Achieved Godhood Via His Own Efforts

Like, I don't really have the words for it, but that symbolism? really speaks to me.

>>4372246
They’re both dangerous, in different ways. Each form has it’s own unique strengths and weaknesses.
>>4372251
The problem is, without divine ki, you can’t actually measure the difference in power between forms. And while yes, divine ki makes you stronger, that is a simple explanation. More accurately, it adds a whole different dimension to your power. The non-divine powers increase linearly, getting bigger and bigger numbers. But divine takes that 2-D graph, and changes it to a 3-D scale.
>Like, I don't really have the words for it, but that symbolism? really speaks to me.
Or you could flip it:
>The Commoner who shattered his limits, rose above his being and became a god by his own willpower and effort
>And his son, who disliked violence yet embraced his primal roots for the power to protect those close to him
I’m a fan of symbolism myself, and glad anon(s?) noticed the Gilgamesh/Enkidu parallels.

>>4372267
>>And his son, who disliked violence yet embraced his primal roots for the power to protect those close to him
See I understand the symbolism here, but realest talk, I hate this idea with a burning passion.

Broly's lived his early years haunted by his power, scared that anytime he got mad would be the time that he came back to himself and found out he'd killed someone he cared about.

With the help of the Karn Clan, he grew past that, he mastered his anger and power, and became determed to be a protect for the family who saved him from himself, and for the rest of his species.

He shouldn't HAVE to embrace his primal nature to get strong enough for them. I hate the very idea of it. If chat decides to go Berserker God, I'd rather Broly go with us, and fuck the entire Primal Berserker Tree for our generation. Our sons earned the chance to become more then his anger. Fuck him having to embrace it for the sake of power.

Little do they know about the SUPER SEKRITEST form that is ABYSSAL SAIYAN

>>4372267
>The Commoner who shattered his limits, rose above his being and became a god by his own willpower and effort
>And his son, who disliked violence yet embraced his primal roots for the power to protect those close to him

I love this.

>>4372307
>With the help of the Karn Clan, he grew past that, he mastered his anger and power, and became determed to be a protect for the family who saved him from himself, and for the rest of his species.
There’s a big assumption here, but would be spoilers for the future if I said which part(s).
>>4372310
Ha.
>>4372322
At this point Karn could go either way

Are berserker and legendary mutually exclusive?

>>4372370
Yes, but also no. A Berserker may not necessarily unlock the Legendary forms, but they cannot be unlocked by a non-Berserker. Unless there’s magical, wish-granting planets involved.

>>4372420
Sorry, I meant could someone feasibly do both at once?

>>4372425
No. That’s like asking if someone can go Super Saiyan, and Ultra Saiyan like Future Trunks at the same time. But unlike in his case, the grading is the other way on the power scale.

Man, there's probably a parallel universe out there where, somehow, Chilli ended up being mentored by Babidi instead of Raven.

>>4372251
>As GD said, Chaya's Apex Primal form ties with Aces Blue Evoltion, but Berserker Forms are 3X stronger then the normal SS forms. So Apex Berserker would be X3 more powerful then Apex Primal.
Actually, Berserker transformations are *6* times more powerful than normal SS forms, you're getting confused with our Legendary SS forms which are twice as strong as a normal SS, look at SS 2 and Berserker 2

Saiyan Conqueror Quest 136 will resume in less than 24 hours! Hope everyone’s ready to battle Double Vision!

>>4373051
That would be a very scary Chilli.

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>>4372224
Thanks for explaining.
>Emerald/Golden Ozaru are in-between forms, and once the Primal state is fully achieved it will no longer be useful.
Nice, having all that power without needing t transform to Ozaru.

>>and the time loli didnt immediately NOPE our existence.
>A legitimate threat if it were ever realized. But she may still erase you regardless.
So if I'm understanding this right. If we theoretically somehow get to Primal Berserker God:
> the Supreme Kami of Time Chronoa's most probable and first reaction would be to erase all of our timeline.
> Including Karn, his family and friends, everyone else and everything too.
> And our Towa and her and Karn's children, Future Chaya and her (our Towa's) own whole timeline as well.
>(If I remember right. Since the birth of first child of Karn's and Towa's those two timelines became connected)
Not exactly a good news, but it gets even worse.
>Even if we don't get to Primal Berserker God it does not mean we are safe.
If Karn achieves too much or does something she does not like, she will erase all of it.

I know it is not easy by any means, but:
>maybe we should start thinking about getting a Time Ring somehow if there will be opportunity.
> Imagine if one moment Karn suddenly discovers that everything is gone and nothing but him and Time Ring are what is left from his timeline.
>At least it won't be over.
>From that point Karn could try (among many possible things to do) get Super Dragon Balls.
>Use them to make a wish to restore his timeline.
But yes, I know that getting a Time Ring is probably something that can be considered mission impossible.

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>>4372251
>I'd say that in raw bigatons, Apex Berserker is the stronger form
Perhaps, possible, but not yet 100% confirmed.
> Berserker God having the advantage of God Ki tricks like that paralysis move Goku used on Broly in the Super Movie as an example.
Interesting. The move is apparently called "God Bind" (https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/God_Bind) .

>but here's the funny bit. We already have DIVINE Dragon Force. A Stand with its own God Ki who GD has himself admitted has powers it doesn't even know it has.
>So desu I think we can sorta get the best of both worlds here with Apex/Primal Berserker Dakka + Divine Dragon Force Hax.
Very interesting.
>A Stand with its own God Ki
Whoa are you telling me that we really already can have access to God Ki? Because that would be allowing for some unbelievably strong possibility.

Here is an example:
>Only Goku went through the Super Saiyan God Ritual.
>Vegeta never did it.
>His only contact with God Ki was by fighting with Goku and Beerus who both had it.
>Only this allowed him to somehow attain it for himself and learn to have it.
>It went so far that he even go to Super Saiyan Royal Blue now.
Another example:
>Guardian (Yoda) hit Kars with energy attack that used Divine Ki.
>This allowed Kars to obtain the God Ki for himself.
So it is possible get God Ki like this, just from having a contact with it.
>I must admit that while fighting Beerus in "Battle of Gods" characters such as Android #18, Buu, Tien, and Piccolo most probably had contact with God Ki too.
>Yet they did not managed to obtain this God Ki for themselves that way.
>Perhaps you need to be really talented, or be ready to hold on to that power to be able to attain God Ki this way.
Still the option is massively tempting.

Summon our Divine Dragon Force who has it's own God Ki.
>Make the Divine Dragon to send some of that God Ki our way.
>Maybe by some weak energy attack or something.
>Or maybe ask him to simply channel God Ki to Karn.
>The same way Karn does it when he gives his Ki to exhausted teammate to help.
If we do this and Karn manages to successfully hold on to that God Ki it would be truly awesome.
>I mean by that If we repeated what Vegeta and Kars did already.
>Obtaining the God Ki just from having a contact with it.
>If Karn would manage to make it happen it would be game changing.
Just think what power Karn would have right now if he could use God Ki at this moment.
This is just too good not to try it.
>In my opinion God Ki is very strong.

But that's not all. If that thing worked.
It would open a hidden way to something that at first may seemed undoable.
I'm talking about:
>attaining Primal Berserker.
>And then using God Ki to transform into Primal Berserker.
>By doing this it would allow Karn to reach...
> Primal Berserker God
Something not seen before, a very exciting possibility.
>Primal Berserker, but with God Ki.

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>>4373366
I was thinking what could be the mastery of that form?
>Hypothetical mastered Primal Berserker God (maybe Apex Berserker God?).
A form that utilizes both at the same time:
> God Ki
>and Mortal Ki
>in perfect union.
God Ki and Mortal Ki are not mutually exclusive, so for the mastered Primal Berserker God it would thematically make sense to be a form that has and uses both.

>>4372267
>And while yes, divine ki makes you stronger, that is a simple explanation. More accurately, it adds a whole different dimension to your power. The non-divine powers increase linearly, getting bigger and bigger numbers. But divine takes that 2-D graph, and changes it to a 3-D scale.
That's why I'm so interested in Divine Ki.

>>4373187
>Actually, Berserker transformations are *6* times more powerful than normal SS forms, you're getting confused with our Legendary SS forms which are twice as strong as a normal SS, look at SS 2 and Berserker 2
> Berserker transformations are *6* times more powerful than normal SS forms
Awesome. So this means Apex Berserker would 6 times more powerful than Apex Primal.

>>4373284
>Saiyan Conqueror Quest 136 will resume in less than 24 hours! Hope everyone’s ready to battle Double Vision!
I'm very curious about this challenge ahead. This is a fight unlike anything Karn have faced before.

>>4373284
Terrifying, really.
No offense to Raven, but Babidi has LITERALLY MILLIONS of years of experience practicing magic.

>>4373284
What is xeno Vegeta's opinion of Karn?

>>4373476
>Why couldn't he be MY dad too?

>>4373363
What that means is there’s no currently-existing timeline with a Primal God Saiyan.
>>4373366
I already explained their differences here: >>4372267
Also, your Stand cannot pass on divine ki to you. Other divine beings like Beerus, and perhaps Kars could, with enough exposure. But Vegeta trained for several months with Whis to use/manipulate god ki BEFORE the angel brought Goku along to Beerus’s world.
>>4373370
If that’s the path we go down, it’ll certainly be interesting. Not to mention potentially learning divine ki-exclusive abilities and moves, like Hakai.
And yes, it’ll be interesting. Even more so if anons can figure out it’s weakness(es).
>>4373380
Yes. And his magical barrier can sustain damage(for a time) from beings on Piccolo/Kami fused and Android 17’s level. Which is impressive as hell.
>>4373476
Which Karn? This one, or the one Future Chaya grew up knowing?
>>4373507
Ha

>>4373566
>Which Karn? This one, or the one Future Chaya grew up knowing?

Both

>>4373580
Xeno Vegeta has immense respect for Future Karn, after hearing Chaya’s story. Especially how he went out, finally taking down those who’d destroyed the Saiyans in a suicide charge instead of running away. As for current Karn, some of that respect bleeds over. But he wants to hear more from you directly.

>>4373631
I swear, Xeno Vegeta has to come and visit sometime. I think he'd love to see what Saiyan culture could have been like if things worked out.

>>4373692
He’s certainly seen it.

>>4373918
Has he seen the duel between father and son that made our Vegeta a king?

>>4373918
He hasn't seen shit if he hasn't actually visited, seeing it from a scroll is different than in person!

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>>4373566
>What that means is there’s no currently-existing timeline with a Primal God Saiyan.
Ok, good to hear it. I was getting worried about the possibility of Karn's timeline being erased.

>Also, your Stand cannot pass on divine ki to you. Other divine beings like Beerus, and perhaps Kars could, with enough exposure. But Vegeta trained for several months with Whis to use/manipulate god ki BEFORE the angel brought Goku along to Beerus’s world.
Thanks for explaining.

>Hakai
Scary.

>>4374158
>He hasn't seen shit if he hasn't actually visited, seeing it from a scroll is different than in person!
I agree with this.

Bonus. Quickly shopped not resized picture of Apex Berserker for potential future use, because I can't find pics of Broly SS4 with reddish hair.
Though now with the arrival of a very good news that the Apex Primal is becoming canon I think we will soon have access to large amounts of high quality pictures of various Saiyans in the Apex form.
That is a very positive perspective for the future.

SOON

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>>4374554
Indeed

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>>4374554
>When you miss an episode

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-Saiyan Conqueror Quest 136 Part II-


“I won’t lose!” both you and your double say at exactly the same time. Well, this battle has certainly gotten more interesting, that’s for sure. You are Karn, the Legendary Super Saiyan, proud father of several full-blooded Saiyan children with your wife Meloka and three half-demon children with the Demon Princess Towa, a General of the PTO, and wielder of the mighty, evolved Stand; Divine Dragon Force. Currently you’re standing in the bridge of a Covenant warship, staring down one of their grunts and it’s Stand. While he calls it Double Vision, it seems to be an exact copy of yourself! Down to the weapons and even scars, it’s almost like you’re looking in a mirror.

“Double Vision, don’t let him near me!” the Grunt calls out, the doppelgänger assuming your fighting stance. “You may have defeated some of the others, but my Double Vision can’t lose to you. No matter how strong you are, you filthy monkey! Hiiihihihihii!!”
“Tch. You think a simple copy can beat me?” you reply, retaking your fighting stance as well. While you’re certain that Grunt poses no threat to you by himself, you have no idea what crazy abilities this copy Stand has. If it knows all your moves, then even simply destroying the ship wouldn’t work as it could teleport them both away. And the Covenant gave you an entire ship here simply to battle in, while the rest of the fleet fight Arctus’s droids and Tekkadan’s mechs.

Well, what will you do?
>Rush and attack the copy, see just how good it really is
>Rush the user, you kill him and this is over
>Draw both weapons, and see if you can actually damage this Stand without using Divine Dragon Force
>Rush the copy, then at the right moment use your Stand to surprise attack the user
>Summon Divine Dragon Force, and see what they do
>Keep your distance, use your more-lethal ki attacks and see how well this Stand protects its user
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote

>>4374579
>Summon Divine Dragon Force, and see what they do

>>4374579
>>Summon Divine Dragon Force, and see what they do

>>4374579
>Aim and fire a death beam directly behind you so that if the stand copies you it hits the grunt

>>4374579
>>Summon Divine Dragon Force, and see what they do

>Rush the copy, then at the right moment use your Stand to surprise attack the user

Rolled 34, 24, 80 = 138 (3d100)

>>4374580
>>4374581
>>4374584
>>4374586
>>4374587
Summon Divine Dragon Force and see what they do wins it. Interesting, roll me a 2d100.

Rolled 18, 50 = 68 (2d100)

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Rolled 79, 66 = 145 (2d100)

>>4374608

Rolled 66, 4 = 70 (2d100)

>>4374608

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>>4374612
>>4374620
what does this meeeeeeeeaaaaaaaan???

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>>4374610
>>4374612
>>4374620
79/100, 66/100. Hrrmmmm, writing

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>>4374579
“So your Stand copied me, huh?” you ask, idea coming to your head. “Well let’s see if you can copy this! Divine Dragon Force, come forth!”
“Gwrooooaaaaar!!” your crimson Stand bellows, materializing around your right arm.
“The Heretic...” the Grunt says, eyes fixated on your Stand. And to your surprise, your duplicate grows a copy of your Stand on it’s arm. But as you watch, you notice something. Unlike your usual Stand, which seems to fade out of existence around your upper arm, your copy’s dragon seems to be a part of it. It’s copy Dragon Force is growing out of the Stand copy’s shoulder, wrapping around it’s right arm. “The Heretic Dragon. So it is true then. Double Vision, attack! Take Karn down!”

“HAAAAA!!” his Stand bellows, tossing a Scattershot at you with it’s left hand. You leap backwards, conjuring your Barrier around you. Dozens of energy shots slam into your shield and explode, but your Barrier holds the blasts back.
“This could be trouble.” your Stand replies, studying your doppelgänger as it fires Scattershot after Scattershot at you. “It seems to have copied your abilities, including me.”
“All of them?” you ask, looking down at your Stand as the copy’s attacks are all deflected by your Barrier. “Even yours?”
“Perhaps.” Dragon Force replies, you dropping the shield as the energy attacks stop. “But I think it knows as little as I do, if not less.”

“I see.” you say, the duplicate rushing at you. It punches with it’s right, the copy Dragon Force lunging right for your throat. Without thinking you block, swatting it aside with your left hand. And to your surprise it works, your hand connecting and knocking it aside. But you can’t think on the fact you just backhanded a Stand, raising your right arm and blocking it’s follow-up spinning back kick. Before it can continue you retaliate, you landing a solid left punch square in the copy’s back and launching it. The Stand flies away, smashing into the far wall and leaving the user wide-open. Without hesitation you launch yourself right at it, drawing your right fist back and roaring. “IT’S OVER! HAAAA!!”

But as you swing, the copy appears between you both using Instant Transmission and blocking with it’s copy dragon.

“Tch!” you exhale, leaping back and retaking your stance as the copy does the same.
“You cannot defeat me.” the Grunt calls back at you tauntingly, emerald aura surging up around his Stand. “You will die today, ape!”

What now?
>Rush and attack the user, try and evade the Stand to end this now
>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it
>Draw your weapons, try and out-skill the Stand and destroy it
>Try your Multiform technique, see if you can out-maneuver them
>Red Dawn, destroy this ship and continue destroying the ships before returning to this fight
>Other(write in)
30 minute vote

>>4374721
>>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it
For a second i thought it would mirror the damage we gave it back to us.

>>4374721
>Rush and attack the user, try and evade the Stand to end this now

>>4374721
>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it

>>4374721
>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it
I mean, I'm pretty sure Dragon Force isn't as durable as it is strong, we never learned, I think, but now we get a chance to see how much damage a Dragon Force can take! Even if it is just a copy.

>>4374721
>>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it

>>4374721
>>Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it
through power I gain victory.

>>4374740
Yeah it's a blessing in disguise. Also i had a thought. Would going to God path unlock the full power of Divine Dragonforce?

>>4374742
Strength leads to Victory.
Passion leads to Strength.
Let's put the horse before the cart on this one and find something we can be passionate about in this encounter.

>>4374721
>Red Dawn, destroy this ship and continue destroying the ships before returning to this fight

I think something to note is that our Dragonforce is a stand but his Dragonforce seems to be an actual physical being literally attached to his arm.

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Rolled 21, 92, 33, 76, 99 = 321 (5d100)

>>4374727
>>4374728
>>4374740
>>4374741
>>4374742
Rush and attack the Stand, overpower ‘yourself’ and destroy it wins. Roll me a 3d100.
First DC: 60
Second DC: 75
Third DC: ??

Rolled 24, 73, 59 = 156 (3d100)

>>4374758
Fadar var, so ar I, himmelen.

Rolled 19, 50, 43 = 112 (3d100)

>>4374758

Rolled 77, 6, 54 = 137 (3d100)

>>4374758

Rolled 78, 69, 4 = 151 (3d100)

>>4374758

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>>4374765
>>4374766
>>4374769
77/100, 73/100, 59/100. Success, narrow failure, and a mystery. Well then, writing.

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>>4374721
“HAAAAA!” you roar, launching yourself forward. Without hesitation you swing, right fist slamming into the copy’s left forearm. It stops your charge, ground crumpling under it’s feet. It replies in kind, swinging it’s right fist for your head. You raise your left arm, blocking the strike with your forearm and spinning into a turning right elbow. Your hard bone and Dragon Force’s scaly hide slam into the copy’s ribs, it’s armor shattering from the impact as it wheezes. Both arms cross it’s body as it holds itself, the Stand dropping to a knee and leaving itself wide open.

“Strike now Karn!” your Stand bellows, you twisting counterclockwise and swinging Stand-first at the copy’s head. It copies your strike, swinging it’s right arm and knockoff Dragon Force back. Your fist slams into the copy’s, but Dragon Force doesn’t match your strategy. Your Stand charges the copy, but dodges and chomps down on the copy dragon.
“Wh-What?!” the Grunt shouts in surprise, Dragon Force biting clean through the copy dragon. His Stand howls in agony, clutching at the reptillian stump protruding from it. The decapitated head drops unmoving to the ground, swiftly losing color until it becomes a metallic silver reflecting the room around it.
“Hmph. No pale imitation can defeat me.” Divine Dragon Force says smugly, but doesn’t take its eyes off the copy Karn.

“Was that it?” you say tauntingly, taking a step closer, then another. As you do the remaining piece of the copy dragon is swiftly pulled back inside the enemy Stand. Distracted by this you almost don’t notice the Guided Eye Beams it fired. With one each headed for your and Dragon Force’s foreheads you leap aside, but aren’t quick enough. One beam cuts through the side of your right temple, thankfully not piercing too deep. But the second one takes Dragon Force through the neck, piercing through your Stand several times as it had returned to being wrapped around your arm, You feel your Stand’s pain as several large, bleeding holes suddenly opening up all down your right arm.

“GRRRRROOOOAAAAAR!!” Dragon Force bellows in agony but you don’t stop moving, gritting your teeth over the pain and dashing further aside. Sure enough the beams turn and follow you, leaving you one option to try and survive this.
“BARRIER!” you gasp out, the shimmering field flickering a moment before springing fully to life around you. The beams hit your shield head-on, but your Barrier holds the energy at bay near-effortlessly. That was a close one. Looking down at your limp right arm, Dragon Force seems to be in just as rough shape. “You alright?”
“I’m fine.” it replies, despite clearly NOT being fine. Motes of crimson energy leak from it’s many wounds, mirroring the blood leaking from your own as your Stand addresses you. “But I learned how you can defeat it.”
cont

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>>4374832
“Really?” you ask your injured Stand, a glimmer of hope in it’s eye. “How?”
“You can hurt it.” it says, you glancing to the still-cracked armor and how the copy seems to be favoring that side as it rises to it’s feet. “While it’s copying you, you can damage it, despite not being a Stand yourself. You don’t need my ability to finish it off. But...”
“But what?” you reply, dropping your Barrier as it turns again to face you. Glancing to the Grunt, you see him holding his right shoulder, blood seeping out between it’s fingers.
“It’s still copying you.” Dragon Force replies, becoming a bit more transparent by the second. “All of it’s attributes have copied yours. And despite my own powers, if it gets a hold of me, game over.”

“Understood. Rest well.” you tell it, banishing your Stand to conserve it’s strength. Which leaves you facing down the injured Grunt and his Stand, Double Vision. Once more you take your stance, the copy doing the same. Knowing more of what it can do now, you’re more confident in your victory. But why is the Grunt now smiling?

What now?
>Rush and attack the user, killing him will end this
>Rush and attack the Stand, use everything you’ve got against this copy
>Draw both of your weapons, try and out-skill the Stand to destroy it
>Try your Multiform technique, see if you can out-maneuver the two of them with two Karns of your own
>Final Flash, goad your copy into a power struggle to see which is better
>Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user
>Other(write in)

>>4374833
>>Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user

>>4374833
>Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user
Ooh, IT under strain! Risky as hell

>>4374833
>>Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user

>>4374833
>>Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user

>>4374836
>>4374839
>>4374841
>>4374850
Final Flash, but at the last second Instant Transmission behind the user wins it. Go big or go home, roll me a d100.
DC: ??