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The Grail War continues, though sometimes, it feels like the war itself is the least of your worries.

You are Shinji Makiri, Ten years ago you suddenly found yourself with the memories of a complete past life that saw this world as a fictional story due to some unprecedented form of inter-dimensional transportation. Since that day, your new composite being has been working to change the grim future laid out for you.

To that end, you have done much, involving yourself with events and situations that have shifted the future away from the one that you once would have faced and instead onto one of uncertainty and chaos.

The Fifth Holy Grail War lies ahead of you, and the challenge and danger it represents to you, the people you care for and the world itself is far greater than you could have ever predicted. Though the grail might be corrupted and the war itself might be a sham, the stakes couldn't be higher.

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You walk towards the girl, you can't bear to see Ciel in a state like this. This should be a happy moment for her, and if she thinks that she's just lost her reason to live or will be forced to live a cursed existence forever, then you're going to need to tell her that she's simply wrong about that. The girl doesn't react to you as you stand in front of her, simply staring down at the floor instead of facing you. You sit next to the girl on the sofa and pull her into a one armed hug, which quickly brings her back to her senses and causes her to look at you with tears welling in her eyes.

"Ciel, just because Roa is gone, it doesn't mean that your life isn't worth living anymore. It's not like there will no longer be evil or injustices in this world that people like us are needed to stop, right?" You want Ciel to snap out of her sadness first of all, so you keep talking. "Roa was a great evil that needed to be killed, there's no doubt about that, but there are worse things out there that we need to protect humanity from... You might never be able to undo the evil that was spread by Roa, even eradicating his very existence across space-time was incapable of that, but now there's nothing holding you back from doing whatever it is you want to do with your life. If you want to stay with the Burial Agency, then you can do so, and you can fight to eventually eradicate the Twenty Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors from the world. Or if you want, you can walk away from it all, go live in peace for a few years before deciding what it is you truly want to do. The possibilities for what you can do are limitless, Ciel." You smile at the girl, who is looking into your eyes as you keep talking. "So... what is it that you want to do?"

"What I want to do next...?" Ciel ponders the thought for a while. "Well, The Church are the only ones I know of that would take me in anyway at this point and it's not like they'd let me go either. Members of the Burial Agency are kept as members of the Burial Agency until they are... well, buried. If I attempted to actually abandon my post, then Narbareck would probably send the other members after me to bring me in." Ciel gets up, having apparently recovered from her sadness already. "Running away isn't really an option unless I want them to start torturing me again.

"I wouldn't let them torture you, you know." You cross your arms, you don't know Ciel all too well in person, but you know that she's far too nice a person to be allowed to suffer any further than she already has suffered.

"Pardon?" Once again, Ciel is baffled by your words.
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"I said that I wouldn't let the Church torture you if you wanted to leave them behind to do your own thing. After all, you're innocent of any crime, and any organization that would torture an innocent out of spite is one that doesn't deserve to exist." You shrug. If the Burial Agency decides they want to cross you, then you'd have no choice but to crush them entirely, you don't care how strong they might be.

"I... You... You don't even know me! How can you make such a promise?" Ciel asks you, there's a tiny amount of indignation in her words as she asks you her question this time, and you can sort of understand it must be very confusing for her to talk to somebody like yourself.

"I know enough about you to understand that you deserve to make your own decisions, Ciel. That you deserve to be able to choose your own destiny, and not be forced to follow down the path that was set for you by Roa and Narbareck. So... What do you want to do?" You counter the girl by once again reaffirming her right to be allowed to choose her own fate. She shouldn't be forced to do anything but anybody if she doesn't want to do so anymore.

"I'll... I'll think about it." Ciel sighs. "You're a surprisingly kind person, Shinji." Ciel starts to head towards the ladder. "I'm sure that we'll meet again in Fuyuki. Though not as enemies."

"Wait!" As Ciel starts to climb the ladder you call out to her. You can't just let her go without revealing one last thing. "Just... hold on a second, I wasn't finished talking yet. It's... It's about how I made you immortal. I don't know if I can do it just yet, but eventually... eventually I think I'll be able to reverse the effect I caused that made you truly unkillable. So... So if you ever do truly want to be able to die... I might be able to remove your immortality." It's a weird thing to tell a girl, that if they want to die, you'll try to kill them, but in the context, it's perfectly fine. Nobody should have to suffer from a cursed existence of living for eternity and watching all that they love fall apart and die over the centuries.

"I'll... keep that in mind." Ciel turns around once more and begins leaving the room. Though she seems to have just... left the shroud she was wearing on the floor. Isn't that an expensively valuable artifact of the Church? Is she really just leaving it in the room with you? Is she trying to give it to you without actually giving it to you?

>Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.
>Just leave it where it is, you don't want to steal it.
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
>Write-in...
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>>4661481
>>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.
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>>4661481
>>Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
It's not the Black Barrel, but loot is loot.
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>>4661481
Call out to Ciel
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>>4661481
>>4661484
Actually I'll change to
>Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
I think she meant to leave it. I hope.
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>>4661481
>Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
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>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.

Not sure if she did it in purpose.
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>>4661481
Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
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>>4661481
>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.
You left behind a pretty sick scarf, Ciel.
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>>4661481
>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.
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>>4661481
>Take the Shroud. What's the worst that could happen.
We will hold on to it for her.
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>>4661481
>Call out to Ciel and tell her she forgot it before she's out of earshot.

It's probably better if she keeps it safe.
Thing like this could become sought after in the valentine day's war.
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>>4661494
>I think she meant to leave it. I hope.
That's what I'm getting. Also, she did say she would meet us again in Fuyuki, so even if she does want it back it'd be then.
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I'm surprised none of you actually want to take a closer look at it to see what it can actually do.
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>>4661481
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
Don't we have a skill for this?
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>>4661481
>>4661491
Changing to
>Try to examine the shroud
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>>4661481
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
>>4661509
I was about to since we have
>Appraisal of Treasure: C+
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>>4661509
We can do that when we head back home as a gift to Satsuki or someone.
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>>4661509
isn't it that shroud meant to bind people as long as you don't attack them?

hmm... oh well, I suppose >>4661506 is right, we can always return it to her later.

>>4661481
switching from >>4661504
to
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
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>>4661503
>>4661481
Changing to
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
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>>4661481
>>4661484
>>4661494
Switching again to
>>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
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>>4661514
yeah I'm not sure if we'll be giving this to any of the girls any time soon unless they're Ciel
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>>4661520
No idea what it does
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>>4661517
That's Caren's Shroud of Magdalene. It only binds men.
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>>4661523
That was the one I thought it was. Well shame on me for assuming I guess.
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>>4661523
She uses it to great effect to separate baby chicks into male and female.
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Were Ciel born few centuries earlier this would have been awfully similar to how a knight would receive gift of affection from a lady.
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>>4661531
She was (apparently) born in 1976

You'll soon realize these dates don't quite add up, as SHIKI is about eighteen years old himself, meaning that Roa must have died eighteen years before 2004
Meaning that Ciel, as Elesia, must've been killed in 1986.
Which means that she was somehow ten years old when she died.
This obviously isn't the case.
Well I suppose it could be the case because Roa can change what his host body looks like.
Actually that's probably what he did holy shit.
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I'll call it in another 20 minutes.
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>>4661481
>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
>Sniff it
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>>4661481
>>Try to examine the shroud before deciding what you want to do with it.
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>>4661553
masturbate with it
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>>4661578
no time
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>Take Shroud
>>4661487
>>4661495
>>4661497
>>4661503

>Call out
>>4661496
>>4661498
>>4661501


>Examine it
>>4661510
>>4661511
>>4661512
>>4661517
>>4661518
>>4661519
>>4661553
>>4661568

Alright.
Got distracted by groceries.
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We need to matchmake Ciel with all-caps SHIKI
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Wait a second, just... wait. You want to know what this thing can do before you make any decision about it. You quickly pick the Shroud up, and the first thing that you notice is the energy radiating from it is incredible! This burial shroud must've belonged to somebody of great importance to the Christian faith, but the strange thing is that you only actually noticed the holy energy being radiated from the piece of fabric when you actually picked it up. Otherwise it was simply a normal, if very pretty looking, piece of fabric.

You don't spend more than twenty seconds looking at the holy artifact until you manage to discern a few things about it. The first is that whoever is wearing it must have their presence masked to the world to the level of a Servant with Presence Concealment A+ or potentially even higher! Second is that it must've belonged to somebody integral to the faith, perhaps an apostle? Of course, the third thing you realize is that if the Church find out you managed to steal this or even that you got your hands on this burial shroud, you're going to be in a whole lot of trouble with them.

You look up at the open manhole cover... wait a second... is this a test? Is she testing you on whether or not you'd return something valuable to her if she dropped it? Or is she just trying to give you this shroud for some reason?

>It's a test. Leave the shroud where it is.
>It's a gift. Take the shroud.
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
>...Wear the Shroud.
>Write-in...
Super short update this time.
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>>4661670
>>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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>>4661670
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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>>4661670
It's a gift. Take the shroud
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>>4661670
Who would be important enough for Jesus's burial Shroud? Been to a ton of catholic churches in Rome and don't remember any that stood out.
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>>4661690
Saint Peter, though he might be too high up, he was supposedly the first Pope
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>>4661670
>...Wear the Shroud.
Seems way too important to just left it in any situation.
Could she be signaling us that we were tailed?
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>>4661670
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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Wait no. She left it behind so we'd lose our entourage tail. She wants us to follow her.
>>4661670
changing >>4661703 to
>Wear the Shroud (and try to follow her)
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>>4661707
You're gonna make everyone think we got kidnapped again
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>>4661670
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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>>4661670
>>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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>>4661670
Test or a gift, we probably shouldn’t leave it behind like that. Grab it and offer to return it to her when we meet again.
A relic of such value wouldn’t be her to give in official capacity anyway, but if it ended in our hands it might be key to a puzzle before we return it.
>take it and hold onto it for now, with resolve to return it when opportunity arises
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>>4661670
>Who cares?
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>>4661670
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
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30 minutes till call.

Have any of you actually thought of any plans to try to get your Servants back from Manaka yet?
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>>4661742
Brute force and if that doesn't work, call Gilgamesh
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>>4661749
But what if she just kidnaps everyone again?
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>>4661742
Shroud and sneak attack is now an option I guess or we could try fucking with leylines.
Manaka seems incredibly overpowered to face her head on.
Maybe buffed Tamamo could do it with her NP as well.
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>>4661670 #
>Who cares? Take the shroud and offer to give it back to Ciel if she's still hanging around.
I mean if the church gets involved, we can probably find some way out if it. Wether it be through bribery (doubt it’d work but you never know) or a fight. There is likely some way out of it. Should the situation call for it that is.
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>>4661749
>call Gilgamesh
That will most likely result in him using Gate of Babylon on our asshole when we least suspect it.
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>>4661742
I have somewhat of an idea.

>Get Ciel and Tamamo
>Buff Tamamo
>Possibly make the Jewel Sword
>Return to Manaka alone, try and see if we can at least get Medea back
>wait say a week or so
>gather everyone together and try and sneak in. Be on guard the entire time, if anything happens to anyone, it could spell our doom for good this time.

It’s by no means flawless, and I admit I’m not the best at making plans. However at the very least trying to get Medea back and buffing Tamamo (after making her out ally) could be beneficial in the end.
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>>4661754
Deploy the magical girls of course.
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>>4661742
Magical Amethyst
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>>4661742
Well first we need to figure out where they are. I reckon Touko will need to help us with that.
Then we’ll need to figure out how to reach for them without being detected. The shroud Ciel left could help here, and Mordred could help too. Maybe monkey king if we get their master on board. another avenue could be via Amethyst.

Releasing the captives should be something we should be able to do if we can get our hands on them.

I feel we should learn more about the bounded fields that Medea couldn’t identify as chances are they are linked to the abduction. And we should ask Betty if she remembers anything from the captivity although with our luck she slept through it.
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>>4661788
problem is that we know virtually nothing about capabilities of Manaka and limits to them. Clearly us going to liberate hostages is a hostile act she is unlikely to take sitting down unless she decides to take it as a test of our ability for her inscrutable purposes, but we have no option but to try and free them under our own power before we confront her, so we need to be prepared when we make our move.

To that end we're going to have to make a war council and pool whatever sliver of intel we can from the failed raid

>examine our own recollections of the attack - of the bounded fields we crossed,
>recollections of our captured allies - Avenger's, Shirou's, Betty's, for anything helpful
Avenger told us the most so far about the cave, although that in isolation is not much. Would it be in vicinity to the temple, or could it be elsewhere? Temple would be good start but unless we know limits of Manaka's reach it could just as well be somewhere under Tokyo or in Britain.
>our own knowledge of what Manakas want
>following from that, idea what she expects us to do about it
She let Saber go and even gave her Shirou back. Was it out of affection or because she has plans for Arturia that would be more difficult to achieve if she was holding Shirou hostage? Is their marriage going to be a boon or a problem in this context?
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>>4661855
Oh and Rin. Rin getting out of there could also be an important hint, and evidence Amethyst might be indispensable for the rescue operation.
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...is that shroud part of Ciel's equipment or is it NP of her Servant?
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>>4661788
>>4661855
Left Manaka seemed more willing to play along with us and alot "friendlier" as it were. We might be able to negotiate with her.
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>>4661920
well one issue here is we have no idea to what extent the two are independent of each other. They might just as easily be playing good cop/bad cop on us. Although their difference does probably have some sort of significance...

But regardless, another problem is that we accepted the noble phantasm from Gilgamesh we're meant to take with us next time we meet them. If we do that, we're likely going to be dumped into combat, and that's a terrible circumstance to be while our allies are still captured. That's why it would be vastly preferable to rescue our allies before even approaching Manakas at all.

Alternatively we could approach Manakas to negotiate without the Gil's trinket, but that would most likely result in gaining Gil as an enemy right then and there and I'm not sure if that's what we need right now.
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Honestly? Gift or test, who cares? Either way, you're going to take it with you, if it's a test and she's still hanging around, you'll return it to her, and if it's a gift, then you may as well keep it. Something like this will be tremendously helpful for you in the future after all, the ability to effectively become invisible even to those with senses as sharp as Arcueid or Lugh... though to be fair on those two, Ciel was a fair distance from the two of them already by the time they searched for her so it's not like you'd actually be able to sneak up on either of them with the shroud. Same goes against somebody like Mordred, who should be able to prevent any and all sneak attacks from working against her thanks to her Instinct warning her of any attacks.

You pick the white and red half-cloak up and quickly climb up the ladder into the alleyway once more. Betty is still awake, you know that much, but she took spiritual form at some point in that conversation, probably so Ciel wouldn't be able to try to sneak up on her with another attack like she did last time, or maybe she just didn't feel like sticking around in human form while you discussed things with Ciel, she does seem to be a very easily bored girl and perhaps for her remaining in spiritual form is simply more fun to do than to stand around uselessly in her physical form?

As you look around the alleyway with the shroud still balled up and in one of your hands, you sigh. Did she really just run off and ditch you? Well, you don't really care all that much, seeing as you've clearly managed to make an ally out of her. In fact, if you meet Ciel again, you feel like you might even get the opportunity to properly recruit her to your group. She might dislike Arcueid on account of her being a True Ancestor, and she'd feel the same way towards Satsuki for her being a Dead Apostle, but so long as you can keep Satsuki clean of the blood of innocents, then there would really be no reason for Ciel to attack her. After all, Ciel quite literally works with a Dead Apostle Ancestor who decided to join the Burial Agency, so it's not like she's actively seeking to destroy every single Dead Apostle that exists.
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You keep looking at the shroud. So... it was a gift then? You find yourself wondering just what exactly Ciel's motive was for giving you something so precious and valuable. Then, just as you're about to head back to your allies, you notice a piece of paper fluttering down from the sky, having been dropped from above. You try to catch a glimpse at the figure who dropped it, but they were too fast. On the piece of paper it simply reads 'Meet me at Messiaen at 4AM. Use the Shroud of Matthias to get away from others. Need to talk. About War and other Overseer. Didn't have time before your allies get suspicious. Can only trust you.' Wait a minute... Messiaen? And at 4AM? Why the hell would a curry shop be open at four in the morning? Also, the Shroud of Matthias, huh? The name sounds familiar, but isn't ringing any major bells for you. Maybe you can ask Ciel about it later, that is if you even decide to go for a late night rendezvous with the girl. You know that it's from Ciel too, it's the exact same hand-writing as last time, and nobody else would ever want to set their secret meeting in a damn curry house.

You place the note in one of your pockets, and look back at the shroud in your hands.

Pick one from each...

>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Don't go see Ciel, you don't need to talk to her about how Kirei is secretly evil.
>Go see Ciel with your allies instead of alone when the time is right.
>Write-in...

AND

>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
>Use the Shroud of Matthias to sneak up on your allies to surprise them by appearing from out of nowhere!
>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
>Write-in...
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
This should be fun.
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!

>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.

I dont see the need to peacock
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
Don't be an asshole guys. We got warned about snooping on our allies before remember?
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
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>>4662024
Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news and Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
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>>4662024
>>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
We should make a fake kidnapping note and then drop it between them.
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If we get instayeeted by an ally because of this, you all better tell Taiga it was just a prank, bro when we get to the dojo.
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
I wonder what Kirei does to keep Gilgamesh undetected by Ciel. I think it would be a problem if Ciel knew or found out that Kirei had a "mortal body" servant on him from the previous grail war. Does Gilgamesh just sleep on the streets as a homeless person to remain seemingly unassociated with Kirei or something? That would be funny.
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Matthias

Only shroud I can find is Jesus so guess this is OC
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>>4662064
In Fate, there are a few Shrouds we are aware of.
EMIYA owns a Holy Shroud that is unnamed and has an unknown effect.
Shirou uses the Shroud of Martin in HF to seal Archer's Arm.
Caren uses the Shroud of Magdelene to bind men.
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>>4662024
>>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
Matthias was Judas's replacement
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>>4662073
>Caren uses the Shroud of Magdelene to bind men.
And categorize baby chicks.
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>>4662080
Yes, and to do that.
Which she does by abusing the properties of the shroud.
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>>4662073
Ciel gave him the shroud and I feel like Nasu hinted that they were lovers
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
Any information she can share will be valuable.
>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
Let's not use the artifact frivolously. If anyone's watching there's no need to show our hand.
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>>4662061
>Picrelated
Wow, imagining actually thinking it would be a good idea to try to force Gilgamesh's hand off the acquarium glass when he's having a good time.
I can tell you that the Kirei in this image probably lost that arm a few seconds after doing this.
As for Gil, he's rich enough that not having to squat in the Church is very easy.
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>>4662024
>>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
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>>4662059
Look man I just wanna see how our love interests act between each other when we're not there
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>>4662024
>>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
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>>4662098
This. Probably my favorite parts of this quest.
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>>4662024
>>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Just walk back to your allies with Betty by your side.
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30 minutes
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>>4662098
Mordred may be able to spot us even with it.
Not sure about Arcueid.
Not sure if concealment extends to Betty either.
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>>4662115
None of them were able to spot anything the first time around so we'll probably be good
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Just walk back posters are the kind of guys who exclusively eat plain cheese pizzas.
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Use the Shroud posters are the kind of guys who exclusively eat pineapple pizza.
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>>4662147
>pineapple pizza
WTF, is this a ""White"" American thing? That sounds disgusting.
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>>4662148
It's for subhumans that lack the brain development to know that pineapple doesn't go with meat.
True Use the Shroud chads opt for ham and sausage pizza.
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>>4662163
>True Use the Shroud chads opt for ham and sausage pizza.
Don't lie to yourself anon. I bet you are eating a slice of that pineapple pizza right now.
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>>4662024
>Go see Ciel at 4AM later tonight. If she wants to talk to you about the war, then that's great news!
>Use the Shroud of Matthias in order to sneak up on your allies to see what they get up to when you're not around.
Ehh, what could go wrong?
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Called?
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>>4662213
Haven't started writing yet so if you want to vote go ahead.
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>>4662227
Oh wait you have voted.
Then yeah. Called.
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How many fucking waifus are we up to at this point?
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>>4662408
35 I think
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>>4662408
Idea to solve the waifu problem:

Truth a homunculus thats just a female version of us. We essentially fuck ourselves.

(Obviously this is a meme suggestion).
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>>4662408
All The Waifus in This World
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>>4662408
Well there's Sakura, Satsuki, Medea, Lugh, Tamamo, Arc and Mordred. You can count Betty but that's more paternal love ig, Touko, Illya Medusa and Ciel are maybes but good chance romance is there
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Yeah, you'll definitely go see Ciel to talk with her in more detail about the grail war. While it's kind of a weird way to talk to somebody, having a meeting with them at 4AM, but for somebody like Ciel, you suppose that you can't blame her for prioritizing secrecy over all else. You'd of course prefer if she would just be OK with actually going to meet your allies instead of forcing you to wait until 4AM in order to sneak out of the Tohno Mansion to go on what is effectively a date with her. You really hope that the Shroud Of Matthias is going to work. God only knows how much trouble you'd find yourself in if you ended up getting caught to go have a date with a girl at 4AM in the morning.

Of course, there is one way to ensure that the cloak works... If you were to test it out here and now on your allies, not only would you be able to determine whether or not your cloak actually worked, but you'd also be able to find out just what it is your allies get up to when you're not around to observe them! You've already eavesdropped on your allies having a conversation before and got caught as a result of it , but this time you have the power of a holy invisibility cloak on your side!

"Betty, could you go ahead and meet back up with the rest of our allies? I'll be right behind you in about five minutes, I promise." First off though, you need to make sure that Betty heads back by herself, otherwise she could ruin your whole scheme simply by walking by your side, or she could end up panicking and revealing your game to your allies before you even get the chance to see if it will actually work!

Your Servant materializes before she makes her response. "OK, Master... but don't take too long, alright? I don't like it when you get hurt..." Her gentle frown at the mental reminder of your tendency to get yourself maimed and hurt deals some emotional damage to you. You don't like seeing Betty sad. You might have to try to make a conscious effort to avoid getting yourself so wounded in the future, or at least figure out a way to make your body more durable so you aren't battered and bruised by practically anything that goes wrong. She soon disappears back off in the direction of your allies though, and after waiting a moment, you wrap the shroud around your shoulders like a sort of half-poncho and you head off back to see just what it is your allies might be doing now when you aren't observing them.

You try your hardest to not make a single sound as you approach your allies, and none of them seem to have noticed your presence just yet, though you are keeping yourself just close enough so that you can hear exactly what it is that they are talking about, they are mostly all just milling about and awkwardly waiting, much to your boredom, though there is one conversation going on between Mordred and Sakura...
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"So because of that, my advisor is going to come with me to Britain to help me conquer it and claim my birthright!" Mordred declares, her arms crossed. Clearly, this isn't a matter that is up to discussion for her.

"B-but he can't go to Britain with you! He lives in Japan with me!" Sakura shoots back, and the King frowns.

"I don't think you understand me very well. You might be his sister, but he belongs by my side!" Mordred declares without any hesitation, and you feel yourself getting worried that something terrible is about to happen.

"Does he? Who says so? You?" Sakura's expression hardens. "Don't make me laugh, you don't even know Onii-chan, I'm his siste-"

"W-w-well he's my boyfriend!" The terrified and jumpy voice of Satsuki suddenly joins in on the conversation between the girls, and all eyes turn towards her. Even those that weren't actually engaged or involved in the conversation between the two bickering girls. "Ha...Haha...." Satsuki begins to wilt under the unrelenting gaze of the group staring at her with piercing eyes.

"What." It's Arcueid who is the one to break the silence, and the panicked looking Satsuki is clearly struggling now.

"I... I mean that... H-he... He takes me out on dates and buys me nice things and says I look pretty once every year!" Satsuki tries to save herself from the scrutinizing gaze of the rest of the girls. "H-he's the one person in the world I can rely on to help me when things go wrong!"

"Satsuki-chan... how do you know my brother, exactly?" Mordred and Sakura's bickering has become a thing of the past, and now all eyes are on the poor Dead Apostle girl under pressure from her careless actions.

"I...uh...Well...Years ago..." Satsuki doesn't seem to know how to explain your relationship with her to the rest of the girls, that she's simply a childhood friend that you met on holiday one time and became great friends with each other. She's probably going to dig herself a deeper hole if you don't come and save her immediately, but that would let them know you were listening in, even if you kept the Shroud of Matthias a secret!

>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
>Throw the shroud off dramatically and reveal yourself.
>Hide out of sight before taking the shroud off, then reveal yourself.
>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
>Throw a rock at somebody, make them think somebody is attacking. (Who?)
>Write-in...
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>>4662431
>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
This was a mistake. Jesus christ, poor Satsuki.
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>>4662431
>Hide out of sight before taking the shroud off, then reveal yourself.
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>>4662431
>>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
I thought this would be funnier instead of sad, I feel bad
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>>4662431
wow, rip sacchin
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>>4662431
>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
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>>4662445
We have been warned many, many times about the love interests. I think too many anons expected the conflict to be strictly comedic.
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>>4662431
>Chad Sacchin establishing dominance by coming out and declaring shinji her actual boyfriend instead of using flimsy pretext like 'advisor' or 'big brother'
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>>4662431
>>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
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>>4662445
This is a natural consequence of a bunch of women who barely know each other all coming to the realization that they are all after the same man.
It might get better with time, or it might just get worse. This situation is really something that's up to you to solve.

Also have this genderswapped Cornelius Alba.
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>>4662472
Puffy
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>>4662431
>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
I believe in her.
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Anyway, Calling in maybe like... 40 minutes?
If no update comes assume I crashed.
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>>4662431
>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
You can do it sacchin.
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>>4662431
>>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
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>>4662431
>>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
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>>4662431
>>Mentally tell Betty to break up the talking by telling them that you're just around a corner! Then reveal yourself like that.
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>>4662472
Alright so this is QM nudging us and saying "stop ignoring this now, they all know, it'll get worse if you do".
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>>4662496
Seems that way, but what could we do to address it?
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>>4662501
Well, nothing does not seem to be working out. Personally I have for not hugging everyone we came across but its not like Im unused to being outvoted around here.

The answer might be to stall and then commit to someone when we have a breather to address it.
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>>4662496
Exactly. That's why half of the people are voting to ignore it.
>>4662501
Stop hiding like a pussy for starters.
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>>4662496
I don't think we should confront them about it right now since it could affect morale and we are about to engage in our most serious fights. I think we should get the girls to know each other better so they would be more open to sharing.
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>>4662431
Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
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>>4662501
How about stop peeping and actually address it?
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>>4662474
>>4662495
>>4662518
Could you guys reply with your IDs? Just to make sure you are not a failed samefag.
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>>4662514
>>4662521
Yeah but what would we say, "Stop fighting and join me in decaogamy"?
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>>4662516
>>4662514
I don't think we should confront it NOW but still do something about it, it's kinda hard since there's a lot of contradictions between them. Let's ignore the fact that they wanna monopolize us, Mordred wants to drag us to Great Britain for conquest but Sakura wants us to stay in Fuyuki and live a normal life with her but we can't exactly abandon Satsuki, who's a Dead Apsotle and who we promised to protect, there's also Medea and Tamamo who want to marry us now or soon. This is a Gordian Knot and none of them are close, the only thing they think of each other is "rival and stranger for Shinji's attention"
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>>4662536
Alright nevermind. I am sorry I got paranoid.
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>>4662534
sure
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>>4662516
So you think this conflict won't affect the morale?
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>>4662521
Bad idea to address it now, Satsuki just straight up called us her boyfriend in front of everyone, if we heard it everyone would want to hear an explanation. If we deny it then we hurt Satsuki who already has vampire and self esteem issues but if we’re wishy washy with it that's only leading them on and likely to make them all mad
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>>4662536
I just don't want them fighting while all of this is going on.
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>>4662550
We will have to address it sooner or later if she keeps calling us that.
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>>4662534
Meant to reply to this.
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>>4662559
You don't want them to fight so you voted to allow them to continue fighting?
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>>4662431
>>Just keep watching, you can't help Satsuki.
We will temper her into a waifu worthy of the name ULTIMATE SACCHIN
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>>4662539
I get you that's why i suggested that our potential harem members should get to know each other better if they become friends it will be easier to compromise with them.
>>4662548
I don' t but its already too late for this one it already affected morale confronting them about it would just make things worse.
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>>4662569
I just want to see things play out for now.
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Are you enjoying the consequences of your actions yet?
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>>4662580
I will as soon as we do our Doki Doki! Super Date Plan!
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>>4662580
Yes. It's still not enough.
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>>4662580
I just wanted to comfort bitches with purely platonic hugs, not my fault that they all caught feelings.
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>>4662580
the reckoning approaches
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>>4662576
We genuinely don't have that luxury, maybe things would've been slightly easier if we introduced Sakura to Sacchin earlier but thats done. Honestly, all we can do is say something like "I'm never gonna leave you etc etc but other people need me too"

>>4662580
Unironically love it
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>Use Betty to distract!
>>4662436
>>4662445
>>4662488
>>4662490
>>4662491

>Hide!
>>4662441

>Watch
>>4662455
>>4662467
>>4662474
>>4662485
>>4662574
>>4662518

Well.
If that's what you're going with.
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>>4662598
WHY WTF DUDE
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>>4662598
Exciting
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>>4662598
Just a prank, bro!
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>>4662598
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>>4662458
Thank god it isn't; Only thing worse than that is the bloody harem thing.
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>>4662598

What can possibly go wrong?
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You can't intervene. You can't reveal to them all that you were watching all this happen. You just... You just need to have faith in Satsuki's ability to resolve this situation on her own! You just hope that you haven't made the wrong choice as you look at the poor girl being surrounded by Sakura, Arcueid and Mordred. Lugh is just looking at the scene unfolding with an annoyed expression on his face.

"Come on, girl, tell us how you know my Advisor. I won't be able to trust you if I don't know your origin." Mordred says, her tone restrained. It looks like the pathetic state that Satsuki is finding herself in is quickly appealing to her inner sense of mercy and chivalry.

"Yeah. Why don't you tell us why you think you're Onii-chan's girlfriend...?" Sakura is far less merciful than Mordred is, the look on the face of your sister is quite the dangerous one. You hope that she isn't going to attack Satsuki for some reason, Satsuki really doesn't deserve any of this! You have to steady your emotions so as not to jump out and come to the rescue. With any luck, if you let things come to a natural end, there will be no need for you to intervene!

Arcueid is the only one of the three who remains silent, as is simply watching the girl with a curious eye. In fact, there doesn't even appear to be much hostility in her gaze. While it's clear that she's displeased, she's not nearly as displeased as Sakura is. You still wish that she hadn't gotten herself involved in this little fight in the first place though, it's hardly constructive.

"L-leave me alone." Satsuki's voice is quiet and you can barely hear it uttered from where she's standing "I don't have to explain my relationship to Shinji-kun to you..." Not intervening is making you feel worse and worse, and you begin to contemplate leaping to Satsuki's rescue anyway. "You're just trying to bully me..."

That comment makes Sakura flinch backwards in surprise and regain some of her usual cool, the girl seemingly coming to her senses as Satsuki stares at her with teary eyes. "Wait a second, let me jus-"
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Satsuki's eyes suddenly flash a brilliant shade of bright crimson as she draws upon her full reserves of vampiric power! What is she planning on doing?! Surely she's not planning on attacking, right? "I said leave me alone!" Then, just like that, Satsuki is gone. Arcueid, Sakura and Mordred have vanished with her, and you find yourself staring at an empty street, well, empty except for Betty and Lugh. "Woah, so that girl could deploy a reality marble after just a few days of being a Dead Apostle? That's terrifyingly impressive, honestly." Lugh is looking at the now empty part of the street with interest, before he turns around to look you directly in the eyes. "You can stop using that ridiculous thing to hide yourself now, it might've fooled me at a distance, but up close like this I can see you very clearly." Lugh reveals that he easily saw through a disguise that you believed to have been infallible.

You're speechless as you take off your disguise before you fold it up and put the piece of fabric in one of your pockets. "I knew Arcueid wanted to test the girl, but I think that this sort of thing was just going too far. The other two weren't even part of the plan" Lugh casually reveals that Mordred and Sakura were just kind of unwanted elements to something that Arcueid was planning all along. "It's a shame that we weren't in the radius of the activation. I've never gotten to see a Reality Marble, you know? Not to mention one deployed without even requiring the usage of an aria!" Lugh stares at the location the girls disappeared from her a few more seconds. "Still, I can't imagine that Arcueid will allow any of them to hurt each other." Your mind however keeps replaying to you the chances that Satsuki out of the complete blue has fallen to darkness. There must be something you can do!

>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
>Push your magical energy to its limit and destabilize the area by reciting your aria
>Just wait for the girls to return by themselves, you doubt Satsuki can keep a Reality Marble active for long.
>Write-in...
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>>4662666
You OK?
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>>4662669
Just wait for the girls to return by themselves, you doubt Satsuki can keep a Reality Marble active for long
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>>4662669
Just. A. Prank. Bro.

>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
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>>4662669
>>Push your magical energy to its limit and destabilize the area by reciting your aria
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>>4662669
>Push your magical energy to its limit and destabilize the area by reciting your aria
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>>4662669
>>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
thats still a Reality Marble, it can get someone killed, gotta force open it since we're still running on fumes
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>>4662669
>>Push your magical energy to its limit and destabilize the area by reciting your aria
That's what happens when a harem protagonist is a spineless coward who can't confront his own romantic interests.
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>>4662669
>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble

>satsuki unleashes her reality marble on a post number ending in 666
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>>4662669
>>Push your magical energy to its limit and destabilize the area by reciting your aria
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>>4662694
Our collective hubris summons the unholy.
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>>4662669
>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
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So how did this whole "I don't want them to fight but I won't do anything cause I am a pussy" thing work out for you guys lol?
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>>4662720
i fucking voted to try and stop it idk what those other retards were even attempting to go for
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>>4662729
Go easy on them. They probably never interacted with women before lol.
Besides "Do nothing and wait for problems to resolve themself" is a great strategy wouldn't you agree?
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>>4662734
literally right after QM said "hey guys, this will get bad if you think it'll solve itself"
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>>4662738
My theory is anons thought it would be a harem comedy bit. They chose poorly.
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>>4662720
I was hoping for a sparring match. Maybe Sakura gets some sense knocked into her.
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>>4662669
>>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
>>4662720
It needed to get really bad so that we could catch them on the spot. Now it got really bad, now some anvils can be dropped.
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>>4662749
Great, now we have Harem Accelerationists
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>>4662738
Reading comprehension is a privilege in our society anon.
But seriously I chukled when I read some of those posts.
"We can't reveal ourself now! It will lower morale!"
"We can't help our childhood friend who was tortured to death just a day ago! She should handle it on her own!"
Hilarious.
>>4662748
I also hope for that. Maybe Arc will kill Satsuki off. One less problem to think about lol.
>>4662749
Don't lie to yourself. You are voting for the noncommital option right now. "Try to find a way" What does it even mean lol?
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>>4662669
>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble

By the way. HEY GUYS WHEN ARE WE NEXT SEEING TAIGA? IT’S BEEN AWHILE.
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>>4662748
why would you want 2 emotionally unstable and deadly girls fighting over you?
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>>4662757
I consider myself more of a Harem Deconstructioner.
>>4662761
Oh, you think this was the noncommital option? If we had Betty stop her and then pretend nothing happened then the issue would have been delayed. Now we have motivation to break a few hearts.
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>>4662764
I've had a mini harem before, yanderes make a nice add to the mix.
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>>4662763
Roughly two updates from now.
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>>4662770
Sure ya did, tripfag.
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>>4662763
In a pool of her own blood lmao. Altrouge is probaly in Fuyuki torturing her right now.
>>4662767
Or you could address the issue lol? With your words and charisma B you know.
"motivation to break a few hearts" lmao. Do you own a fedora anon?
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>>4662772
I'm sorry you never experienced young love or any love for that matter. Not everyone is an autist like you.
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>>4662773
I haven't seen you making any prompt to adress the issue yourself gigachad, elucidate us please.
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>>4662777
You wear a trip on a quest thread, nothing I ever do will be that sad.
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>>4662780
Why would I lol? I am here to lurk and gloat at your failures.
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>>4662781
Lol OK fagguette
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How come after every update with a "bad" result everyone who didn't vote with the majority becomes a massive smuglord and starts shitting up the thread with saturday morning cartoon villain tier melodramatic jeering?
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>>4662666
>You just... You just need to have faith in Satsuki's ability to resolve this situation on her own!
>With any luck, if you let things come to a natural end, there will be no need for you to intervene!
Hey QM did it hurt to write those lines out lol?
Isn't it sad QM?
>>4662799
Oh anon I didn't vote at all. I just lurk around and when people vote for something retarded like this time I do my best to sprinkle some salt on top.
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>>4662799
Im not smug, I assume anons meant well and just thought wed get another comedy skit.

I also think that Sakura becoming more unhinged specifically seems to be flying by people, which likely factors in.
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This is incredibly cringy.
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>>4662810
I agree. Leaving your poor childhood friend to fend for herself was super cringe lol.
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>>4662808
i feel like everyone forgets that she can still go Dark Sakura
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>>4662830
She can probably do a lot worse than that with Tiamat.
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I wonder that exactly her Reality Marble is since WhatIs mentioned it will be something different from canon.
>>4662669
>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
That was fun.
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>>4662669
>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble
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>>4662669
>>Try to find out a way to enter the recently deployed Reality Marble

We are probably too drained to be brute forcing our own marbles.
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>>4662971
Also we should probably be ready to deliver a filibuster to break up the fight, even though I personally think everyone involved is too good to truly let this spiral to hell.
Assuming we get in. Or after they pop out.

>Enough! This has gone on long enough.... *I* have let this go on long enough.
>Girls. I can’t bear to see any one of you be hurt, or upset, especially not because of me.
>Satsuki is a dear friend to me. I met her when I was looking for help against Zouken. It hurt to leave your side then, Sakura, but I was not strong enough and needed the help. I befriended her then and can vouch for her character, Arcueid.
>Sakura, I’m sorry now for not mentioning her earlier. I honestly didn’t think you could be anything but friends had you come to meet, because I know how pure of heart you both are. Please don’t let my failure to communicate twist your opinion of her.
>Mordred. I’m not going to shirk the promise I gave you. You already know that. I realize your intentions are noble and will support you to the best of my ability. But I’m not going to ditch my friends and family. Even as a King you need to realize people are not things, they have their own dreams, bonds and wills.
>Arcueid, thank you for your help in all this, and sorry for making you deal with drama I’ve caused.
>Girls, I am sorry to you all for hurting you with anything I’ve said or omitted. I realize now I’ve not been as forthright with you as I should have. If there’s anything you want to ask, please do. I really don’t want to see any one of you hurt for whatever reason.
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>>4662988
Cringe.
Don't you get it yet? Majority of players don't give a shit.
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Ok right, well, yelling at each other aside, calling in... an hour?
Yeah.
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>>4662988
Just stop man.
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>>4663017
But I do give a shit, and that's enough for me to follow my heart and do my best.
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>>4663037
Your efforts are pointless lol.
This quest's players will never vote for an option more complicated than a single sentence.
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>>4662988
>>4662971

Supporting. I still give a shit.
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>>4663042
Fuck off samefag
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I'm not so flowery in defusing situations but I share the same sentiment of not neglecting characters at least so anons dont start bitching why characters are lacking involvement in the plot. You cant keep dismissing them because eventually you will end up with none.
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>>4663046
Suck my ass, tripshitter.
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>>4663046
Nice projection here. Did you develop inferiority complex after you were called out on your samefagging?
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>>4663050
Nice edit
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>>4663050
Nice edited screenshot.
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>>4663035
Not while I draw breath.

>>4663046
I've never samefagged in a quest in my life and I certainly won't be starting with it now. What benefit is there in getting one's way to detriment of others and OP's mental health?
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>>4663053
So I can't even crop this shit without people crying?
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>>4663052
Hey now no need to play this drama for us. Everyone knows you have samefagged the last vote and a few other votes so you could see this quest crash and burn.
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>>4663058
Last vote? All I voted for was to stay out of it. Stop trying to make drama.
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>>4663058
This, his shitty trip makes it all the more obvious.
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>>4663056
Again nice edit.
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>>4663061
I totally believe you man. That's why you are so rabid. So noone would suspect you.
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>>4663063
How the fuck would I make an edit that fast on a fucking phonepost you mouthbreathing ape?
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>>4663065
I don't know, you're the one samefagging.
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>>4663063
Come on call him a samefag a few more times. Let's see if he's gonna start calling you names.
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>>4663066
Why are you not answering my posts batman lol.
Did I hit too close to home?
Which of those 1-post IDs are yours?
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>>4663066
Wow! What an insightful observation and astute comeback! You really got me there! How could I possibly refute you if you refuse to think?
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>It's happening again
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>>4663070
What was your samefag plan again?
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>>4663070
Time for another hiatus lmao.
Fateshitters are way too autistic for civilised threads.
>>4663071
To ban you from this board I hope.
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>>4663072
You're the one who's shitting up the threads, you admitted it up top.
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>>4663071
It varies with the situation in order to prevent samefags from adapting to it.
I won't be implementing anything here because I don't consider this a suspicious vote.
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>>4663070
Yeah sorry, the tripfag just pissed me off with the accusation. Personally I don't think it's even near bad enough to necessitate anti samefag measures, and the shitposting is only between 3 anons anyway.
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>>4663075
Cool, also when do you ever sleep buddy?
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>>4663074
So? How does it change the fact that you call people samefags while samefagging yourself?
Hey batman am I also a samefag? Come on why don't you call me a samefag too?
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>>4663078
samefag
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>>4663080
Holy shit you are toxic.
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>>4663034
I might be in minority here on this but I expect that you will deliver a satisfying resolution to this conundrum without typical boring romantic drama tropes, WhatIs.
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>>4663082
Lmao he said it again. And you call me a "shitposter" like it's a bad thing. Me and you are like shitposting brothers.
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>>4663084
As long as it's not the SFs long winded autist fest we'll be OK.
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>>4663084
Me too. Let's just kill that satsuki bitch. Make a write-in and I'll suppurt you with a few accounts.
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>Wait
>>4662672

>Finds way
>>4662674
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>>4663042

>Aria
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>>4663097
Lol what a pompous retard
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And it went over his head. Figures. Funny if you block 2 ids the whole thread is cleaned up.
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>>4663087
>>4663088
Funposting aside I don't think Shinji has capability to pull Mind of Steel-esque choice.
Or that WhatIs has any intentions to twist whole thing into relationship drama story for rest of the thread.
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So much autism. I just hope you may reconcile for the sake of anime titties without the simping.
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>>4663101
I knew you'd block me you fag. How could you? We were "the shitposting brothers".
>block 2 ids
Wow! I didn't know you can block your own ID.
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>>4663108
mate please stop, this isn't helping anyone.
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You can't just sit around and do nothing, you need to find a way to get inside Satsuki's reality marble! You need to stop this before somebody gets themselves hurt! You walk over to the exact location that Satsuki was standing in when she activated the ability, and you spread what little magical energy you have left around you in order to try to gauge just how exactly you're going to find the four girls. The use of a reality marble involves layering your own inner world over the world outside, dragging people nearby you into your inner world turned physical. While you're standing on the space that Satsuki was standing when she activated her marble without meaning to, there's no physical path into the marble. You're going to need to try to make one.

Of course, that's easier said than done, as only trace amounts of magical energy are visible to you in the air from Satsuki's activation of her marble. Right now, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that Satsuki and the three other girls have been dragged off to another dimension entirely, even if that dimension is one that can't last very long due to the influence of Gaia trying to unmake it.

You keep looking, trying to examine the fragments of energy left behind after the manifestation of Satsuki's reality marble, with any luck you'll be able to duplicate the process that allows other people to enter the manifested world in order to enter the reality marble under your own power! You finally manage to find a large enough fragment in order to get accustomed to the magical energy signature being given off by the Reality Marble. It's incredibly faint, but now you've determined just what the magical energy of the Reality Marble is like, you can just about feel the Reality Marble's presence, in the world but at the same time not in the world. An extra layer, or texture, upon the planet that can't exist independently before dissolving.

Lugh watches you with great interest as you kneel down on the floor and place a palm on the ground, willing what little magical energy you have left to allow you to apply a concept upon what you understand to be the material presence of Satsuki's Reality Marble. You only need to use a single concept to get inside now, one that isn't in opposition with the existence of the Reality Marble. 'Open'.

You suddenly find yourself falling through the air as a portal opens up beneath your feet and you drop through it nearly instantly. The darkness of the city's night disappearing and being replaced with the fresh crisp light of Satsuki's inner world. It's a far cry from the miserable wasteland of energy draining that you were expecting. Your memories of Depletion Garden, Satsuki's Reality Marble in Melty Blood, are vague, but you're pretty sure it's not supposed to look so... nice?
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You hit the floor, and thankfully the landing is soft, so you get up quickly. You're sitting atop a hill. In the distance is what looks like some sort of large structure made of white marble with columns and pillars decorating it, like a great palace that has fallen into disrepair and been reclaimed by nature. There's no trace of Satsuki or of the three girls that she dragged into this world from the hill you're standing on, but this place is huge! There's no end in sight to the rolling hills.

Not having any better ideas, and not wanting to just wander aimlessly around the hills, you head towards the palace like structure. The atmosphere of this world isn't suffocating or oppressing as you thought it would be, but is instead almost... filling you with energy! Of course, it's only a feeling, this world isn't actually supplying you with magical energy, as nice as that might be.

The journey to the palace feels like it takes longer than it actually does, especially as you ran most of the way, not wanting to leave the four of them to fight or whatever it is that they're getting up to in this world. You hope that they aren't still fighting though. A tremendous crashing noise from within the castle quickly obliterates that hope though.

You quickly race forwards towards the doors leading into the palace-like structure and head inside. With any luck you can stop this before anybody gets hurt! You take in status of the battle as you enter the large room, and you can see Mordred holding a large boulder above her head as if to throw it at Satsuki, who doesn't look scared or worried at all! You're about to call out to stop the attack but before you can-!

"Try to dodge this one then!" Mordred roars, and throws the boulder that is almost as big as she is at Satsuki with speeds surpassing that of a cannon! Is Mordred actually trying to kill Satsuki?! You can't stop it in time! What the hell is Mordred trying to do here?!

Your question is answered when the moment that the boulder reaches Satsuki, it drops to the floor, having somehow managed to lose all momentum just a few moments before it touched her. You can hear clapping, and you crane your head to see Arcueid sitting atop a pillar spectating this strange... well you wanted to call it a battle, but you don't think that's the case anymore. Sakura looks kind of fed up as she sits on the pillar next to Arcueid. "Great work, Satsuki! With a Reality Marble like this, I think you could take on one of the Dead Apostle Ancestors!" Arcueid congratulates the girl. "You still need to learn more about fighting though..." Wait a second... Is Arcueid... tutoring Satsuki?

"T-thank you?" It's only then that you notice that the boulder isn't the only odd thing about the area around Satsuki. She's surrounded by a small ring of pebbles too! Could they have fallen out of the air like that boulder did when it was about to hit her?
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For some reason, none of them seem to have noticed your arrival yet, and it's up to you just how you're going to announce your arrival to the girls. At least it doesn't seem like they are fighting anymore? That's a plus, at least. If you've got anybody to thank for that though, it's probably Arcueid and her incredible strength. She probably could've increased the pressure upon this Reality Marble by calling on her connection to Gaia and collapsed it rapidly, the fact that she hasn't tells you this is all going according to whatever plan she has.

>"What the hell is going on here?!"
>"I heard everything from Lugh. What gives?"
>"I'm very disappointed in all of you. You shouldn't bully Satsuki."
>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
>Write-in...
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Welcome to Satsuki's new Reality Marble.
Salvation Garden
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>>4663129
>>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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>>4663129
>"I heard everything from Lugh. What gives?"
We ought to strangle them all, and not in the sexual way either.
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>>4663129
>>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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>>4663129

>"This is... beautiful."
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>>4663129
>>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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>>4663133
Why? They are helping Satsuki with her RM.
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>>4663129
>"I'm very disappointed in all of you. You shouldn't bully Satsuki."
>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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Call in fifty.
You guys are lucky that Arcueid is here.
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>>4663144
Arcuid is quickly rising as most dependable ally we have alongside Touko and Medea.
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>>4663129
>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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>Arcueid saves the day
Nice to have at least one responsible person present.
>>4663129
>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
Seems to be impulse/aggression neglecting/pacifying Reality Marble?
Something like Reality Marble analog of electromagnetic armor is pretty great defensive tool.
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>>4663129
"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
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>>4663129
>>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"
damn so Arc just bullied her on purpose
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>"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?"

Im just grateful that this didnt end in tears. Sometimes I feel as if we are the marshmellows keeping the smores together.
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"Hey, this is a pretty cool Reality Marble, Sacchin! What does it do?" You reveal your presence in the room to the four girls, a smile on your face as you do. You can't be too upset, after all, nothing bad seems to have happened in the end, in fact, Satsuki even managed to get stronger as a result of being put under pressure!

"S-Shinji-kun?!" Satsuki falls over in surprise at your sudden question. "W-what are you doing here?" She blurts out as she struggles to get back on her feet as she does a double take.

"Yes, and more importantly, how are you here?" Arcueid looks at you with a raised eyebrow, breaking into a Reality Marble is probably quite the difficult thing to do, even for somebody like Arcueid.

"I let myself in, obviously." You just tell the truth. There's really no harm in letting them all know that you can break into Reality Marbles if you are aware of their presence. You don't know if you'd be able to accomplish the same in reverse though, you'd need to be able to find a trace of the world outside

"Right." Arcueid just shrugs, clearly she doesn't want to argue with you or how your powers work when they've already proven themselves capable of doing the impossible more than once before. "As for what the Reality Marble does?" Arcueid suddenly leaps towards Satsuki with incredible speed, her nails turn into razor sharp looking talons and she takes a swipe at Satsuki's neck, with enough force to take her head off!

"Eek!" Satsuki lets out a terrified noise at her impending decapitation, though instead of her razor sharp talons cleaving Satsuki's head straight off, all that happens is that Arcueid's hand stops half an inch away from Satsuki's neck, exertion clearly still on her face as she tries to see if she can overcome some invisible force holding her back.

"Within this... world, no attack can be used against Satsuki, even those... certain to strike." Arcueid stops exerting herself and pulls her hand back so it returns to its normal appearance. What's more, it also seems to have some form of... calming effect, the world itself seems to abhor violence, and that helped pacify these two, their squabbling was starting to get irritating." Arcueid gestures to both the girl wearing heavy armor and the girl still sitting atop a pillar.

""Hey!"" Sakura and Mordred both call out at the same time, clearly not happy about the unkind words. Though you can't really disagree with Arcueid's assessment of things. Do they really have to try to pick a fight with each other the exact moment that they think you're out of earshot? You might have to get these girls to spend some more time with each other at some point, just so that they don't dislike each other so much. It would be a complete disaster if your faction devolved into infighting... over you.
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You ignore the two girls, and instead decide to address Satsuki. "Well, this is an incredible Reality Marble Sacchin, really!" You genuinely mean your words too. A Reality Marble that is devoted only to the protection of its owner like this is ridiculous! You wager that Satsuki within this place would have an absolute protection against any attack that attempted to use the laws of Gaia to damage her! But what could have caused it to change from Depletion Garden? A change in outlook? The manner of it's activation? Perhaps it could've occurred as a result of her only drinking your blood?

Satsuki blushes as you praise her Reality Marble. "Y-you really think so?" She clearly wasn't expecting you to arrive in this place, yet she clearly is enjoying the justified praise she's getting as a result of developing a Reality Marble in a few days. Just how much potential does this girl have? Reality Marbles are supposed to be one of the most difficult pieces of magecraft to grasp, yet here she is, having done it with nothing but a little bit of incentive!

"Would I lie to you, Sacchin?" You smile at the girl, and she happily beams a smile back at you.

>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
>"Actually can you hold on for a moment, I want to test something" (Attempt to apply a concept onto Satsuki's Reality Marble?)
>Ask some more questions about Satsuki's Reality Marble (What do you want to know?)
>Write-in...
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>>4663207
>>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
We have no energy left to apply anything.
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>>4663207
>>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663206
>>What's more, it also seems to have some form of... calming effect, the world itself seems to abhor violence, and that helped pacify these two, their squabbling was starting to get irritating
This is how we tame Primate Murder

>>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
We have no energy left, we can do this later, we're tapped out, plus i have no idea what concept to use
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>>4663215
>>4663207
oops
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>>4663207
>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663207
>>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663207

>"I'm sorry for causing you all distress. I was worried when I saw you fighting like that."

also

>"Would I lie to you, Sacchin?" You smile at the girl, and she happily beams a smile back at you.
Are you taking pleasure in this OP?
you should
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>>4663207
>You ignore the two girls,
WHY are we ignoring the two girls? We ought to nip the problem in the bud before it devolves into a fucking bloodshed.
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>>4663223
The time for nipping it in the bud was when they were squabbling but instead players voted to hide.
Right now when all parties have calmed down and nobody is injured it's counterproductive to bring up that drama.
There is no point in swinging your fists after the fight has already ended.
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>>4663207
>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663223
Because this is the sort of issue that Shinji thinks would be better solved if you talked to them personally instead.
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Twenty minutes till call.
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>>4663207
>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663207
>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
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>>4663207
>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."
We still have things to do.

>Attempt to apply a concept onto Satsuki's Reality Marble?
So it has ability to affect minds and give her immunity to effects of World?
And given how our modification worked on Sakura...we could theoretically push her to her full potential with right concept?
Like giving her Ultimacy or Perfection will force her into Ultimate Satsuki? But since it will influence effects of Reality Marble itself will she be able to unlock potential in others as well after this?
Or if we were to try to apply some sort of change through it to her status of Dead Apostle to make her True Ancestor? Like giving her concept of Purity or Trueness?
Or we could try further stretching her psychic parts to influence her human origin? Would that make her Beast of Alaya or Avatar of Alaya?
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>>4663235
I feel like Sakura and Mordred are easy to placate and Arc is Arc but Satsuki is the most open about her affection for us
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>"Actually can you hold on for a moment, I want to test something" (Attempt to apply a concept onto Satsuki's Reality Marble?)

>"Hey satsuki what concept do you want me to apply on your reality marble?"

I'm drawing blanks on what sort of concept we should apply so satsuki might figure something out.
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>>4663265
We have no mana left. We can't apply any concept.
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>"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going."

Changing my vote, I was going to cannibalize the command seal for the mana however it looks like it wouldn't be ideal.
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>>4663278
we have a bunch of them but its better to use them when its really life or death
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And you fags thought bad would happen after we knew the RM was the opposite of the one in melty blood.
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>>4663286
This whole debacle played almost exactly the same as Vore day did.
We should really start trusting the girls to not murder us or eachother at some point.
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>>46614
>>4661477
I would big myself up and do everything in space and time I can. So I can remember myself as being awesome in future times to come ;) Once I'm new and grand again, I'll have to somehow be find myself in these old times :p
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>>4663292
I was the only one who voted to trust in them but at least we got to see it first hand I guess.
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>>4663293
You lost friend?
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"Now, can you disable it? We ought to get going, after all, my meeting was a success, thankfully. The Church won't be pursuing us any time soon, I think." Or well, Ciel won't be, at least, and that by itself is a relief. You don't need some absolutely unkillable terminator trying to hunt you down, after all. Even if you might be able to deal with Ciel with all the powerhouses that are in your faction now, it's really much better for everyone to have the girl helping you instead of being hostile to you.

"Disable it? Umm... Let me try something..." Satsuki closes her eyes and starts to focus, trying to figure out just how to forcibly dismiss her own Reality Marble, and after a few seconds of her concentrating, the world around you starts to ripple, becoming transparent for a moment before it disappears in a flash of light and you find yourself standing in the middle of the road once again, with Mordred, Sakura, Arcueid and of course Satsuki all standing around each other. "There!" She announces her success as she dismisses the marble. It's genuinely incredible that she's at a point where she has no need to use an aria to summon her Reality Marble. You suppose that must be as a result of her non-human status. It's much easier for Dead Apostles to create Reality Marbles than it is for humans to create them, it's just a compatibility thing, you find yourself wondering what would happen if Arcueid looked into creating a Reality Marble, what would occur from that? It's probably best not to think about it too hard, besides, Arcueid has no real use for a Reality Marble anyway, not when she has her Marble Phantasm.

"Well, I'm glad that that's over with." You sigh in relief as you find yourself back in the streets of Misaki Town. It's not like Satsuki's Reality Marble was that terrible a thing to be within, and in fact it was actually quite pleasant, but it's more that the circumstances that led to you entering Satsuki's reality marble were really less than pleasant. At least Arcueid seems to have decided to take up some strange role as Satsuki's mentor, and you're glad for that, in truth, you can't see yourself as being the best mentor for Satsuki when it comes to some of her powers as a vampire, and though you consider your level of magical knowledge to be sufficient enough to teach Satsuki how to wield her own magecraft, you can't compare to Arcueid in certain aspects. It's nice that despite being a little bit too rough sometimes, Arcueid does seem to actually kind of like Satsuki.

"You're telling me." Mordred sighs in annoyance. "Oi! Satsuki! Uh... Sorry about pushing you so far, I uh... I just wanted to know what your deal was, y'know?" Mordred calls out to Satsuki, clearly feeling just a little bit bad about the realization that she was effectively taking part in bullying somebody, and somebody normally so meek and harmless as Satsuki as that.
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"Yes, Satsuki-chan. I will... apologize as well, I don't know what came over me." Sakura gives a brief apologetic bow to Satsuki. Could it have been a result of Tiamat's influence that is causing Sakura to be more prone to taking actions like this? You don't know just how deep the connection is between your sister and the beast sleeping within her right now, so you suppose that it's a possibility that Sakura could naturally be more prone to bouts of emotion like that one.

"Alright everyone, now that you've all had your girl time, can we get back on with it?" Lugh is watching everything going on with tired, bored eyes. Clearly the boy has a low tolerance for stuff like this, not that you can blame him for it, dealing with this sort of stuff makes you want to scream! You wonder what SHIKI must've thought of all this if he was still watching from the rooftops above.

"We do still need to investigate the house I was trapped in, you're right." You quickly latch on to Lugh's offered subject change and use it to get the night back on topic. "We're not too far from it now, so everyone just follow me, alright?" Nobody talks with each other as they follow after you, Betty and Lugh at your sides with the four girls following after you at an even pace.

Eventually you reach the house once again, and unassuming looking Japanese building, and find the door has been locked shut. As you're about to start trying to break in, Mordred steps up. "Hold on, let me just do what I did to get in last time, when I was still Strout's Servant." You stand aside from the door in order to allow Mordred to open the door, if there's some sort of magical method or secret to opening this door, then it would make sense if Mordred would know how to open it!

Unfortunately, Mordred just pulls an arm back and slams her fist into the wooden door as hard as she possibly can, the force from her punch being great enough that the door explodes into large wooden splinters! "Oh good, looks like it still works." Mordred has a cheeky smile on her face as she walks inside, inviting you to follow after her. "Now, If I remember correctly, the basement level was where you were being kept, the ground floor was converted into a storeroom, and the top floor was being used by Rizo as some sort of study. There's seven of us, and I'm not picking up any traces of magecraft in here, so it might be wise if we split into three groups to investigate and save time."

>Pick 3 groups to form to investigate the different floors from your allies. (Shinji, Betty, Lugh, Arcueid, Satsuki, Mordred, Sakura.)
>>Basement (Who?)
>>Ground Floor (Who?)
>>First Floor (Who?)
>Don't split up at all and simply choose one of the floors to investigate as a complete group. (Which floor?)
>Write-in...
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>>4663316
Investigate scooby doo style
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>>4663316
>Ask Betty to summon some creatures for initial recon
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I'll call this in... an hour? Yeah.
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>>4663322
>>4663316
i forgot we have this sometimes, support
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>>4663316
>Could it have been a result of Tiamat's influence that is causing Sakura to be more prone to taking actions like this?
Ok so we need to handle this romance thing NOW, Sakura is gonna end up going dark if we keep ignoring it
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>>4663316
>basement
arcueid, lugh
>ground floor
mordred, satsuki
>first floor
shinji, betty, sakura
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>>4663322
this, too
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>>4663327
i would switch Satsuki and Lugh, Sacchin knows the pecking order with Arc and things between her and Mordred were kinda tense
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>>4663316
this>>4663322
and
>>basement
>arcueid, satsuki
>>ground floor
>mordred, lugh
>first floor
>shinji, betty, sakura

>>4663325
I don't know why Shinji thinks it's Tiamat when Sakura has been like this for years at this point.
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>>4663330
that was my first thought too, but I feel like it would be good to have in each team at least one person more in tune with modern world to look for anomalies and I'm under impression Arcueid is better in this than Lugh or Mordred.

Alternatively we could take one of them with us to rizo's workroom where I expect we might find something interesting but I wanted to give Sakura a chance of relative privacy if she wants to say something.
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>>4663334
Shinji's just willfully oblivious, he doesn't want to acknowledge anyone's affection for him. the girls probably think he's a major tease
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>>4663323
Are those two reenacting their ol' /ss/ days?
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>>4663342
no Shinji knows that Sakura is in love with him, he's known since he was 9, he just doesn't do anything about it because there's too much work to do
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Three best sensors in our group are Mordred, Lugh and Arcueid. So each of them should cover one floor.
Basement is probably filled with "food leftovers" and bloody roomcell should be there as well. So Satsuki is the worst person to send there. Second worst is Sakura since she might get really angry if she connects how her brother could have potentially ended on a meat hook in a basement along other "food leftovers".
That being said Rizo is rather smart so letting summons go in and activate potential traps or ambushes while we wait outsight is probably the best course of action. If it all clear we can just go straight to points of interests they will find on each floor.
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>>4663322
Support
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>>4663316
Supporting
>>4663322
>>basement
>arcueid, satsuki
>>ground floor
>mordred, lugh
>first floor
>shinji, betty, sakura
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>>4663316
Do >>4663322 first
then
>>basement
>arcueid, satsuki
>>ground floor
>mordred, lugh
>first floor
>shinji, betty, sakura
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>>4663316
First >>4663322
Then if there's nothing of note
>>Basement
>arcueid, satsuki
>>ground floor
>mordred, lugh
>first floor
>shinji, betty, sakura
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Just heading off to get some groceries. Will call and tally when I get back unless somebody would like to tally for me.
Shouldn't be more than twenty minutes.
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>>4663322
Supporting
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>>4663342
Did you skip all those affection charts that QM wrote?
Shinji knows full well that Sakura is in love with him.
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>>4663316
>>4663371
Supporting.
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>>4663376
I believe the absolute majority of players supports this
>>4663322
>>4663322
And I would like to add that if she can't summon new ones due to Shinji's lack of energy she should still have some stored away alternatevely we have shadow bugs.
After that we have

Whatever that means
>>4663318

>basement
arcueid, lugh
>ground floor
mordred, satsuki
>first floor
shinji, betty, sakura
>>4663327

>>basement
>arcueid, satsuki
>>ground floor
>mordred, lugh
>first floor
>shinji, betty, sakura
>>4663334
>>4663367
>>4663369
>>4663371
>>4663399
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>>4663420
Fag doesn't know scooby
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>>4663425
The only fag in this thread just replied to my post.
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>>4663425
Can you please stop shitting up the thread. Drop the trip and be normal or something.
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>>4663425
Is that a fgo thing?
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>>4663435
Yeah
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>>4663434
Qm should just ignore his votes until he does one of the two imo.
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>>4663425
fuck off trip
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>>4663462
You fuck off non trip
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"Alright, first off... Betty?" You call the name of your Servant and she looks up at you. "Could you use some of your summoned creatures to scout the place out, you know, for traps?" You don't really care which of her summons she uses, and it's not like she'll really need to create any additional lifeforms to just scout out the places, so energy wise, it should be fine, right?

"OK, Master!" The girl nods and something begins to crawl out of her shadow. A familiar creature soon takes shape from her shadow, and you recognize it straight away, the dozen chitinous tentacles and the beaked mouth of the bizarre eldritch animal make you feel unnerved even now. "Go on, see if you can find anything!" Betty talks to the creature with a voice of endearment. Like she's talking to something like a dog and asking it to do something for her. Of course, she also summons up two bird creatures, which also fly off with great haste.

"I think I'm going to be sick." Lugh has a queasy expression on his face, and Arcueid's own expression is also fairly queasy, though not nearly as much as the small wolflike boy. "What the hell were those things? Just looking at them made me feel like I was going to vomit." Lugh doesn't sound very happy as he looks at Betty with an incredibly suspicious gaze.

"They... did?" While you never thought that Betty's creations were visually appealing at all, and were quite horrible to look at, they've never really made you queasy like both Lugh and Arcueid seem to be acting right now... could this be a result of the two of them being Nature Spirits connected to Gaia? Is there something about Betty's summoning abilities that has a greater effect on the two of them due to their connection to Gaia and the planet? You might have to test this out at a later date. Though only with their permission of course, you're not stupid enough to purposely distress either Lugh or Arcueid like that. Doing something like that would just be immensely idiotic. "Apologies, I'll endeavor to not have Betty use her abilities when you're around so long as I can help it in the future." While it seems like a waste not to use one of Betty's most reliable abilities, you can't really use it if it's going to make both Arcueid and Lugh feel ill. At least not when they are around.

"Thanks, I mean that." Lugh leans against a wall with a relieved expression as you wait for Betty to finish the first stage of reconnaissance with her minions. Beaky went down to the basement while the bird creatures took the floors above. You don't have to wait long for the creatures to reappear and merge with Betty's shadow once more, and the girl shakes her head.

"There aren't any traps they could find, but they also didn't find anything else. There's nobody in the building except us, Master." Betty smiles at you, and with that knowledge, you decide to put into play the next stage of your plan.
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"Great! thanks for the hard work, Betty!" You give the girl a thumbs up and she looks happy. "Alright everyone, for the next stage of our plan, I'm going to need us to split into small teams in order to cover the most ground in the shortest time possible. With that in mind, Betty and Sakura, you'll be going with me to explore the top floor, Mordred, you're with... Fenri... and you'll be looking through the ground floor. Arcueid, are you alright to go check out the basement they were holding me captive with Satsuki?"

Mordred looks at Lugh for a few seconds before she says anything "Hey, dog kid, you wanna become part of my kingdom?" Mordred asks her investigation partner if he wants to be her underling immediately! You have no idea just what Mordred is up to, honestly. Is she just trying to try to recruit as many allies as she can right now before she actually goes ahead and tries to take over Britain?

"Not particularly, no." Lugh keeps his answer short as he denies Mordred's offer. Then he seems to pause as he thinks about it some more. "Then again, it's not like I've got anything better to do... Let's keep it as a maybe for now." Lugh just shrugs. Seems that he thinks the idea of joining Mordred's new Camelot or whatever she's planning on calling her kingdom at least amusing enough to entertain the idea of. Regardless, the two of them soon wander off to start looking through for clues.

"Come on Satsuki, let's see what's down in the basement!" Arcueid suddenly grabs Satsuki's hand and begins to pull her along, though she seems to glare at Sakura for a few seconds before she leaves and heads down into the basement with Satsuki still being dragged along. Satsuki doesn't even get a word in as Arcueid drags her off, leaving you alone with Betty and Sakura.

"Come on, let's get looking." You keep your words to Sakura and Betty short as you begin to walk up a staircase to the first floor. The floor is actually remarkably small, consisting of a bathroom, a small bedroom and of course, the study. You don't bother investigating the other two rooms that much, a quick glance tells you all you need to know of them. There isn't any furniture in them asides from the bare necessities, and there's nothing of any interest in them anyway.
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Of course, the actual important room is the study, and upon pushing the door open the rest of the way, you can see that Betty's reconnaissance abilities by herself might need some work. On the desk itself is a letter next to a sharp looking dagger, but on the floor is something that looks very familiar! While it's obviously not a trap, there's a red glowing circle of magic is on the floor behind the desk, and you recognize it in an instant. A... Servant Summoning Circle?! There are a dozen blood red jewels surrounding the circle, almost like crystallized droplets of blood. This summoning circle is pulsing with energy still, meaning only one thing... it's active? Could Altrouge have been trying to summon a Servant of her own? Why would she get cold feet and stop at the last minute? Or is this meant as a trap? Whatever is going on here, you don't trust it.

>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
>Destroy the summoning circle. You don't trust anything about this!
>Use the summoning circle. Altrouge's loss is your gain.
>Write-in...
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>>4663570
>>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
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>>4663566
>You have no idea just what Mordred is up to, honestly. Is she just trying to try to recruit as many allies as she can right now before she actually goes ahead and tries to take over Britain?
Looks like she really looks up to us, eh
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>>4663570
>>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
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>>4663570
>>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
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>>4663570
Use the summoning circle. Altrouge's loss is your gain.
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>>4663566
>Arcueid suddenly grabs Satsuki's hand and begins to pull her along, though she seems to glare at Sakura for a few seconds before she leaves
once again, we should deal with this after dealing with this and meeting with Ciel
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>>4663570
>>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
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>>4663570
>Read the letter

Even more Servants?
We might want to take a closer look at the circle. Why would they abandon an active device? Could our proximity have reactivated it? Or Betty's summons?
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>>4663570
>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
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>>4663620
Awww, that's cute
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>>4663570
>Read the letter on the table before deciding anything.
I do wonder, if a servant were to be summoned. Who we get with our roll ;)
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>>4663623
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>>4663623
If there was no letter I'd vote to destroy the circle.
Who knows what kind of ritual Altrouge used. It could spit out some kind of bloodthirsty creep. Or worse - another woman.
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>>4663633
We could just do both
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>>4663633
>It could spit out some kind of bloodthirsty creep. Or worse - another woman.
So you're saying that you're hoping we summon Jack?
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>>4663645
based Berserker Jack
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>>4663647
You'll get Assassin Jack and be declared Mother and you'll like it.
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a dagger and blood red jewels huh.
boy I sure do wonder who this i-----okay just run. like now.
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You'll read the letter before you decide to do anything else. You want to know just what was going on here and why on Earth Rizo and Altrouge would just... leave an active summoning circle. Wouldn't it have made much more sense to have actually just used it to... well, summon a Servant? Whatever, you begin reading the letter, hopefully that will be able to provide you some insight into what the hell Altrouge is playing at.

'My Dearest Shinji,

Your continued evasion of me and my servants is... frustrating. You may be aware that I was the one who unsuccessfully attempted to kill that girl that had a crush on you. Though I believe I owe you an apology for that, I was... frustrated at the failure of my servant in allowing you to escape, and I wasn't thinking clearly. You ought to understand of the sort of lust for violence that I am capable of falling victim to. I can do no more than apologize to you and the girl for giving in to my bloodlust.

As for you managing to take Rizo's Servant away? Good. He was acting on his own when he gave her that order to go after you, and believed that you deserved to pay for defying me. He has since been punished for acting against my wishes.

Of course, I was originally going to use my abilities in order to set up another summoning for him, but I decided that it might make a good apology to you after what I did to'
There are a few misspelled names that have been crossed out. 'Satsuki, was it? The girl that miraculously became a vampire, tell her that I'd like to meet her some day when you get the chance.

While I would much prefer if you simply agreed to become a Dead Apostle or if you had remained in your cell and joined my faction, As somebody of your power, you would've easily ranked as one of the Dead Apostle Ancestors. But I suppose the opportunity for that has passed. I'm not so petty that I would target all of your friends and family, so you needn't worry about me doing something so cruel.

Regardless of my feelings, please feel free to use the circle I prepared, the dagger on the table is a catalyst for some Servant of European origin. If I'm going to be honest with you, I don't care what you do with it or the circle. I've decided to wash my hands of this whole ridiculous ritual, I've known it was corrupted for years.

We will meet again one day, I am sure, likely at a far more important ritual.

Forever yours,
Altrouge Brunestud.'
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Wait a second... She's just giving up and leaving?! This is how she retires from the grail war? Rizo loses his Servant and she just gets bored and goes home?! Well, at least that sort of solves one of the threats, though not really. She's still going to pose a problem at some point down the line. She did sound strangely apologetic about what she did in her letter though, and if she was telling the truth, then maybe it's not even worth pursuing her...? No, Satsuki still needs to get her revenge. But it does mean that you don't have to deal with an imminent threat, you suppose. How strange, you've killed two Dead Apostle Ancestors in the span of a day and yet you feel strangely unfulfilled.

There is however still the matter of this summoning Circle to deal with. Can you trust Altrouge to have been telling the truth in her letter? Is this really a working Summoning Circle? If it is, then you might just be able to use it to get some more power on your side before you go ahead and try to liberate your allies from Manaka!

>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)
>Destroy the circle.
>Write-in...
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>>4663727
>Destroy the circle.
bitches ain't shit
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>>4663727
Use the circle, and also use the catalyst
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>>4663727
>Write-in...
You guys think satsuki could use a servant? we're getting pretty close to more than we could handle.
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>>4663744
Are we? Are we really?
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>>4663727
>Destroy the circle.
We can summon our own servants if we really need to, just take the mystery catalyst and go.
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>>4663727
>>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
I can't tell if she's actually leaving or not and the Dark Six ritual is kind of a bigger problem that should be dealt with before it goes forward
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>>4663727
>>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)
>>4663744
She's not a Master
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>>4663727
>Destroy the circle.

A gift from Alt is one I dont want.
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This is going to be a samefag fest
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I think she's trustworthy in so far as that she's far too powerful and too full of herself to care about doing something so underhanded
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>>4663754
Saying that only makes it more likely, you know.
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>>4663758
You know it's going to happen
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>>4663745
I'm pretty sure having 3 servants is already a big strain on shinji, we just aren't feeling it at the moment because they're on ice.
>>4663749
She does have magic though and while it's a little unkind to use people as mana batteries for more potential allies, I think she can handle it.
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Isn't it bad to contract with another servant since we're contracted with 3 already? Contracting with another one will severely limit our usage of truth magic.
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>>4663726
>Examine the dagger and take it with
even if we’re not going to use it we can’t leave it laying around.

>Destroy the circle.
on one hand it could be OP’s way of giving us a kryptonite, but just as well it could be rope to hang ourselves with. Not sure if we need someone like lady bathory or whoever on retinue... plus upkeep is going to be an issue. I suppose we could ask Sacchin or Mordred if they want to give it a shot but it would probably be I’ll advised.
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>>4663767
3 is weighing us down, 4 would probably leave us unable to do anything, however there are three ways to fix this, 1, when we free Medea, we finish the Dragon Blood plan so we can obtain a Magic Core, if you think we have an absurd amount of magic before, wait till we get dipped in Dragon Blood, 2, Medea drains people like she's shown to do, which elevates strain, or 3, we have regular sex with someone
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>>4663771
Sex in this quest with these autists? Never going to happen.
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>>4663769
we effectively only have 1 at the moment, we aren't giving any juice to Shuten and Medea and going along with this summoning means that we take away the chance of one future enemy master showing up. I think we should go for it, the extra fire power would be essential and when we have Shuten and Medea again, we Rule Break one of them and give a servant to Illya or Rin since they can handle it
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>>4663771
I miss Medea ;.;
>>4663727
>Write-in... Destroy the circle. Take the catalyst.
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>>4663779
Alright you convinced me.
>>4663727
>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
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alright if we're really gonna end up destroying it then we can at least make Rin do the summoning since she has no servant and it gives us an excuse to make her feel better and show her that we have her back
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>>4663727
>>Destroy the circle.
Please guys.
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>>4663767
>>4663781
Did you just vote twice?
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>>4663789
no.
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>>4663727
>>Destroy the circle.
Nothing good can come out of it.
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>>4663726
>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)
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Why not use the cloak as a catalyst? Or get a compatible servant using no catalyst.
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Dagger and bloody jewels, plus European origin...who'd this even be, someone like Carmilla?
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>>4663790
Whoops, marked wrong one.
>>4663744
>>4663781
You have write in - sacchin and write in - destroy the circle?
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>>4663796
ok we HAVE to do the summoning now
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>>4663727
>>Destroy the circle.
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>>4663797
I shouldn't have tagged whatis's post, I was merely making a suggestion.
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Seeing as this is an important vote, I might call it quits for the night and let you discuss the pros and cons of using this circle.
You ought to think really hard about the consequences of what might happen if you act carelessly though...

>>4663796
I'm just going to reveal that the jewels are there as part of Altrouge's power. They are basically the things that are going to power the summoning as well as act as the power source for the Servant instead of a grail.
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Reminder to vote for summoning or the samefags will ruin this quest again.
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>>4663805
Hey fuck off dude, Im no samefag but Im destroy on it. If anons want the catalyst and what not more power to them but this set up reeks to me.
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>>4663807
You reek just as bad as your choices
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>>4663807
yeah but what's the set up exactly? Like i don't understand why you wouldn't want to go through with it, its an easy power up and might give us a chance to kick the shit out of Altrouge when the time comes
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>>4663805
If you want summoning to win, you're going to have to unify votes. Currently summon votes are split between "Use Catalyst" and "Random" while everyone who wants destroy just has to vote for that.
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>>4663805
>actually trusting the sketchy vampire bitch to set us up with a servant who won't fuck us over
Come on, anon.
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>>4663813
Why would you trust Altrouge?
She is a master of contracts. Who knows what she has done to the circle?
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>>4663815
You don't have to use the catalyst, and Shinji is a good enough magus to realize that other than the power sources, this is a perfectly normal summoning circle.
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>>4663803
Can you announce a time when it's going to be called please?
Before this thread devolves into namecalling and shitposting.
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>>4663815
Think she loves us bro
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>>4663817
Yeah, I'm specifically referring to the catalyst votes. The random option could get weird as well, but I won't be too mad if that one wins compared to the catalyst.
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>>4663819
When I have time to actually write the update tomorrow so...
Like... 13 hours?
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>>4663816
>>4663817
now we know
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>>4663823
Here comes the samefag train.
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>>4663827
Whooo Whooo
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Ok so here's what we know, this is a perfectly normal summoning circle with its own power source and ready made catalyst and as far as we know, Altrouge is gone for now, literally what are you "destroy the circle" voters worried about beyond "oooooh, spooky vampire lady is gonna get us somehow"
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>>4663813
Its Altrouge, I dont think this is as straightforward as anons make it out to be. Happy to be wrong if I lose the vote but Im not changing.

>>4663812
Damn dude you are right, I am actually also every other sub ten reply ID in this thread. ImBatman is me too, we just argued to blow a smokescreen for my nefarious activities.
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>>4663824
>>4663831
Great. I still not going to summon another woman just so she could irrelevant somewhere in the background.
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>>4663832
At least you admitted it.
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>>4663831
it's not an unreasonable thing to have worried about.
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>>4663817
Thanks for clarifying. If its truly a normal circle I am still wary of the power source. Gonna have to stick to destroy out of caution.
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>>4663836
its not but what exactly are you worried will happen? It looks like this thing is just gonna give benefits for now and if we're really worried, we'll have the multiple Magus on our side to inspect the bloody jewels which are the only thing that's wrong with this whole thing
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>>4663835
Yeah, but now no one will realize you are also one of my alts.
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>>4663838
>I am still wary of the power source.
You're aware that the power source for the Fuyuki Grail is literally infected with every evil of mankind, right?
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>>4663842
You just really want us to summon another female servant so you could be all smug about us being evil womanizers don't you?
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>>4663823
Can't you call in like 2or3 hours and write whenever you have time? Leaving a vote this polarazing overnight is the recipe for trouble.
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>>4663843
yeah this feels like the sort of vote where QM wants us to go a certain way, i just want things to be interesting so i wanna go with it
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>>4663842
Sure am! Doesnt mean I couldnt be wary of this one too. But you showed you hand a little too much QM, so Ill switch to using it and just call you out on being silly if it bites us then.

>>4663750

Changing to:

>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)

Im not against using the catalyst given now entirely, if it ends up close feel free to use me as tiebreaker.
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>>4663842
i'm convinced then, i'm changing my vote>>4663781
to >Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
We should let Sakura summon this one, she can handle two servants when we get Rider back.
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>>4663843
>Implying that this Servant is going to be a woman.
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>>4663843
>If its truly a normal circle I am still wary of the power source. Gonna have to stick to destroy out of caution.
But anon, what if we finally summon a bro. A bro to hang out with and talk about our woman problems with.
A Bro, like Jason.
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>>4663842
I refuse. You are just trying to push the vote so you could flaunt another female OC.
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>>4663851
I don't really care just how the vote goes, anon. You'll see what I mean.
I feel like nobody is really thinking things through very clearly, so whatever!
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>>4663856
Man I enjoy this quest but you should probably refrain from pushing votes this much. If you think something is fucking dumb, let us do it and send us to the Dojo. No one likes getting railroaded without at least a humorous bonk on the head by Taiga when we make the wrong choice.
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>>4663861
The only fucking dumb thing here is you.
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>>4663861
actually yeah if QM really wants to railroad something, send us to Taiga Dojo, Shiki got eaten by a fucking shark over a choice that didn't even matter that much
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>>4663856
>I don't really care
Right. That's why you left five messages pushing the vote.
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>>4663861
I'm not pushing the vote per say, I just feel like I could've made things clearer in the update itself.
It's fine if you want to destroy the summoning circle out of spite for Altrouge, but the circle itself isn't malevolent or trapped, and Shinji can tell that much.
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>>4663872
I'm going to add more female OCs to the quest and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
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>>4663878
God I hope so
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>>4663873
You may have noticed I did change my vote. But yeah your clarifications and repeated admonishments have made it clear what the "correct" or at least "most correct" options are at this point. Its fine man, these things happen and the atmosphere in these threads can make it hard for an update to not spark a shitstorm and as a QM myself I get that totally.
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>>4663878
I fucking knew it. You just want to turn this quest into a trashfire as much as that batman fellow does.
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>>4663885
Batman is the hero we need not the hero we deserve.
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>>4663887
Big thunk on this guy. Shows up right after Batman stops posting and was called out tripfagging, defends him and attacks his detractors while screaming about samefags.
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>>4663892
Are you the samefagger? Also I never wanted this quest to die.
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>>4663895
Never said you did, take your meds.
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>>4663907
You didn't?
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>>4663914
Amazing.
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>>4663727
>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
I think we all need to call down a bit.
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>>4663727
TIME FOR MORE BLOODSHED
>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
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>>4663885
Call me crazy, but I don't think the qm wants to ruin his quest. >>4663885
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>>4663727
>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst
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>>4663727
>>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
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>>4664005
>Bitch causes shitload of trouble then when she realizes that she is in trouble she runs away leaving teary eyed letter and you are saying she should be forgiven. I can already see how when this quest reaches the point when players are confronting her you are going to make a dozen posts about how she is just misunderstood and should be spared.
Qm has never done that.
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You guys have some serious trust issues. I think the letter is more of the QMs way of saying "Sorry for dropping this sideplot, I want to go back to the main story, have a free gacha roll as an apology."
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>>4664028
Probably for the best as we already did what we wanted to do and if Alt and Rizo were to keep causing trouble we'd be spending more time tieing up loose ends than on our main objectives.
I'd also agree that a lot of the time people mistake What trying to clarify what something is with railroading.
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>>4664058
>She did sound strangely apologetic about what she did in her letter though, and if she was telling the truth, then maybe it's not even worth pursuing her...? No, Satsuki still needs to get her revenge.
It is pretty clear that Shinji still intends to go after Altrouge. I also don't think QM has commented on the player base being bloodthirsty towards Altrouge.
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>>4664058
It's up to you to make your own conclusions about Altrouge, all the qm did was clarify that Shinji knows the circle itself isn't a trap.
That doesn't mean you have to believe anything else about what she said, or forgive anything she's done, it just means that in character we know that the circle isn't trapped.
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Give us. THE JACK.
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>>4664094
Clearly, he thought that he had communicated that it was safe or at least didn't say anything that would lead people to believe it was a trap, but that's enough arguing with someone whose only three posts are bitching about the qm.
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>>4663574
>is she just trying to try to recruit as many allies as she can right now before she actually goes ahead and tries to take over the harem?
fixed it for you
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>>4664107
He communicated it so well that he had to spend half hour persuading his playerbase to change their votes.
>but that's enough arguing with someone whose only three posts are bitching about the qm.
Why did you reply to me when I had only one post bitching about QM?
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>>4664112
All of your posts are whining about the qm, even this one.
You have nothing to contribute aside from accusations of railroading and I suggest you stop posting.
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>>4664144
I suggest you mind your own business. I will post whatever I want and however often I want. And I most definitely not going to ask your permission for that.
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you nigs really can't just move on
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I think you guys are blowing this out of proportion. Altrouge asking us to forgive her isn't exactly QM asking us to forgive her. I think QM is clearly joking about trying to push in as many OCs as he can. If QM didn't clarify about the circle and we voted to destroy it people would complain that QM is unfair and we made a wrong decision because we had no way of knowing.
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I can't check but are any of these ids bitching about QM low post ids?
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>>4664196
There's a couple complainers with high post counts and one guy who only has posts critical of the qm.
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>>4664202
Thanks, was just wondering if something wrong was afoot.
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>>4664206
Drop the trip faggot. And next time dont defend yourself under a new anon ID like a complete jackass.

Whatis, tell me, is the type of behaviour you encourage? Some ego tripping tripfaggot shitting up your threads and then changing IDs to defend himself sans trip? I doubt it, you seem a good sort and you run a good quest. Tell this idiot to drop the trip, which he contributes nothing to justify.
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>>4664256
Dude calm down. It is just a trip.
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>>4664256
Looks like another Fag to filter. Sorry man the trip falls off sometimes.
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>>4664258
Trips damage quests. Every fight in here between anons ends at thread change. Ids change, no one know who is who. Everything this guy has started, and there has been a lot, continues carried by him thread through thread via his tripfaggotry. No trips should be allowed in quests where the individual ID is not needed.

Id pull up the 4chan FAQ item on trips but I am sure you all have read it before.
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>>4664261

Also:

>>4663887

Clearly just a player working in good faith!
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>>4664256
I don't see any evidence of him shilling himself under a new id.
The tripfagging is annoying but I wouldn't want the qm to start calling out such trivial things.
>>4664261
He's a bit of a clown but I don't see him as an instigator.
He mainly just gives trollsome write ins that are usually just ignored or mocked.
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>>4664266

Read:

>>4664263

Maybe check IDs. He outed himself hard.
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>>4664268
You took the bait like a retard. Sorry you're so upset at like 3 posts.
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>>4664273
>I was MERELY PRETENDING to be a retard
great stuff
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>>4664275
Here comes another one
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>>4664273
The bait of what? You shitting up the thread with two IDs? By the way, I still never said you wanted the quest to fail.
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Why is everyone sperging out about everything?
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>>4664280
Because Tripfagging samefags are cancer.
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>>4664278
I said my trip dropped. I'm at the beach and when I go into town it sometimes resets my id. I try to remember to put it on for this quest. Get over it my man.
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>>4664286
Then why did you refer to yourself in the third person on your new ID?
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>>4664275
Not going through the whole thread to look for this samefag.
>>4664280
Dude has a hateboner for no reason. Only write in that was "stupid" was the I'm batman bitches
>>4664287
Because it was from a damned batman film you retard.
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>>4664290
Sure buddy. Drop the fucking trip, grow a spine, and just participate anon like the rest of us.

You are not special. And I don't believe you.
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>>4664291
Filtered
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>>4663727
>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)
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>>4664311
Glad im not the only one who finds random more interesting. Seems catalyst is winning but we shall see I am sure.
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>>4663727
>Use the circle, and also use the catalyst.
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I am yet to vote and I do have an interesting idea.
Why not ask Shirou to produce specific catalyst for us to use?
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>>4664325
this late in the vote its likely to help but thats an interesting idea.

I wonder if that would produce a "fake" hero like FSN Assassin or a proper one.
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>>4664333
* not likely to
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>>4663727
>Use the circle and summon at random. (Dice roll)
While I don't think that Altrouge would put in a catalyst to specifically screw us over, I agree that rng servant sounds more interesting.
Also, I just wanted to say I am more than fine with qm doing a bit of railroading given that he has more than proven he is capable of writing a compelling storyline.
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>>4664337
In general I dont find fault with it, just found this particular case a little heavy handed and poorly explained.
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>>4664333
Yeah, probaly a bit late.
I just remembered that we already fed Shirou memories of
>Rule Breaker. Gram. Merodach. Crocea Mors, Durandal, Durindana, Caliburn, Ascalon, Gae Bolg Alternative, Harpe, Moralltach, Beagalltach, the Sword of Paracelcus, Tsumukari Muramasa... S̮̩̫l͈̘̙͢a̴̠̳̹̦̱̺͓sh̝͚̬̗̠͡ ̛͍E̮ṃ̶p̼̭̘͎͓͇e̵͈̩̯̝͙̱̙r̵̪o͙̜͙͠r͕
>Gae Bolg Alternative
I wonder if it is possibly to alter ritual even more to pull Scáthach out of Land of Shadows. She just wants to die and we can help her if she so desire.
Or ask Alaya to send in another counter guardian or buffed up Servant. It is in her interests. Having somebody really strong like Okita Alter would be pretty beneficial.
The key notion is. If we go with the summon and end result is some fucked up heroic spirit with no regards about the world with only desire to use grail despite its corruption we are setting up another problem for ourselves.
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>>4663727
Voting to use the circle, but before immediately jumping into it...

Why don't we show the blade to Shirou first to see if its worth using as a catalyst?

Does our cellphone have image sharing capabilities through email etc.? Or we could just leave say, Arc here to guard it and ensure its not used while we check up with him.

If it sucks then gacha
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>>4664155
He didn't give a damn about springing shit out of nowhere for more than a dozen threads but now he does all of a sudden? Every time players would complain about that he would just ignore them.
This time his OC was about to be skipped so he made post after post bitching about how we were making a wrong choice. But the moment people switched to the vote he wanted he immediately left the thread and proceeded to ignore everyone.
How is this not vote pushing?
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>>4664325
summon whom though? The strongest hero he could summon would probably be Charlemagne
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>>4664325
>>4664377
Tacking on to this idea too, consult the sword autist when presented with a mystery blade
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>>4664367
>Scáthach
We need to fucking drag Shirou to the summoning circle right fucking now
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>>4664399
Too many women. Why not a chad like Sigurd or George? George is absurd and basically unkillable when fighting defensively.

Or, why not see what happens if we try and summon Muramasa with Shirou around?
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>>4664377
We also have Appraisal of Treasure: C+. If it has anything going for it we might get some ideas ourselves.
But Shirou can probably guess where it was made and time period even if it is just a piece of metal right now. Which is more than enough for a proper guess.
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>>4664408
yeah but Scathach is extremely hot and a god tier servant
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>>4664418
But she can't be summoned conventionally. Nasu gave some meme answer about how she was 'killed' by Goetia burning away humanity. If this is a branched off timeline without humanity's incineration she won't be possible.

But her sister is here which may offer some kino. You may accidentally get another Cu/Setenta or even Ferdiad too due to their close relationship as her students though as she probably won't be summonable.
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>>4664408
>>4664418
The biggest argument for her is that we know she has no actual wish for Grail.
We can win her full loyalty right away just by showing her that we can kill her is she wants it.
Summoning a Servant with a real wish and just telling him we called him to already failed ritual with nothing to gain can go really wrong.
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>>4664431
her wish is suicide or no more immortality, she wouldn't be a Lancer if she didn't have a wish
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>>4664431
George is a saint and therefore has no wish too, we're trying to avoid pointless death and save as many people as possible so he'd be more than willing to assist.
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>>4663803
Wouldn’t that mean the Servant would be bound to Altrouge more than to us? Or even if they were bound to us, they would not be as dependent on us or have no natural inclination to cooperate?

I’d really rather not be burning command spells just to keep a Servant from sabotaging us.
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>>4664448
he would, however, be a Ruler and have to be impartial
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>>4664458
He can be a rider, lancer or saber as Ascalon takes many forms. He's not even connected to the main grail if summoned through this ritual and as a saint he also nosells vampires ez. Dragons too if any pop up.
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>>4664452
the servant would be using Altrouge's power source, that's the only real connection they would have. The only thing Altrouge could do is cut them off but then again, we're likely to take the jewels with us and have the gem master look at it.

>>4664461
We don't really need George for vampire and dragon stuff considering taht we have Archer with his magic bag of sword bullshit
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>>4664447
Frankly it is hard to call it a real wish in comparison to wanting to erase part of history and other similar stuff.
>>4664448
Him or Martha or somebody fanatically loyal like Karna might be willing to help out of the box. Solid options to avoid clash of interests.
I think Martha in FGO went as far as defying her direct orders to protect France.
>>4664452
>>4664464
Altrouge and her influence is a small issue due to us having Rule Breaker.
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>>4664464
Out of those listed in Shirou's current memory bank he offers a lot without asking so much back in terms of having his own wish.

We could always pick something not on this list and have Touko transfer the memory over to avoid gacha entirely if there is a servant in canon who is particularly suited to the current situation.

If its from what we have then..

>Rule Breaker. Gram. Merodach. Crocea Mors, Durandal, Durindana, Caliburn, Ascalon, Gae Bolg Alternative, Harpe, Moralltach, Beagalltach, the Sword of Paracelcus, Tsumukari Muramasa... S̮̩̫l͈̘̙͢a̴̠̳̹̦̱̺͓sh̝͚̬̗̠͡ ̛͍E̮ṃ̶p̼̭̘͎͓͇e̵͈̩̯̝͙̱̙r̵̪o͙̜͙͠r͕

Resummon Medea?, Sigurd (follows orders, loves foights like Cu, Marduk - Gil's dad lmao, Caesar is a scheming bastard, Roland or Shota Charlemagne, Hektor - is a solid strategist and negotiator, Loli Arturia, George, Scat or her students, Perseus (prick) or Lolidusa, Saber Diarmuid - loyal and stronger than lancer version in canon by a large margin, Paracelcius - hard no he's a mentally ill mage, CLAPShirou catalyst and finally Shirou dies if he projects this and Arc gets mad we tried to erode the planet.

Take a pick or suggest something new maybe?
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>>4664472
Gonna continue shilling George out of those solid loyaltychad options as Martha has no bladed weaponry that would be easy for Shirou to project, and Martha manifesting Tarasque and Karna existing at all are huge mana burns.
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Would a nail from a cross be something shirou could trace?
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We can also try to go for "canon" Servant.
Drake did stick with Shinji for Last Encore.
Thats pretty loyal.
>>4664477
I am not sure where the exact limit of Shirou tto project right now.
He managed to produce that ring after all.
I assume right now he can do anything as long as it is not over complicated with bladed weapons having a preference and swords being nearly perfect.
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>>4664464
>>4664472
Fair enough, so if connection to Altrouge should not be an issue there’s still few things that could bite us in the back

-the circle is compromised somehow
Altrouge speaks of corrupted ritual though she’s likely referring to grail war proper. If this circle really was meant for Rizo then it’s probably not rigged to summon something meant to sabotage their master but that doesn’t mean we couldn’t end up with either a twisted version of the servant, or otherwise someone that would qualify as enemy to humanity.

And then there’s issue on how our allies will view accepting gift from Altrouge although we should probably be able to convince them with reason that it was a good idea if we come to that conclusion.
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Some other loyal options could be certain knights of the round. Gawain, Bedi, Gareth and Lancelot especially might like to see a happy King.

Wildcard high base loyalty - Richard, Katou Danzo, Karna, Rama, Izou, Inshun, Ushi, Fuuma, most Hassans, Arash, Okita, Li Shuwen, Tawara - who is absolutely busted in lore and in Japan of all places especially, Kintoki too in that regard, Siegfried, Yagyuu and of course Kiyohime.

Lots of fame boost-able high loyalty out of the box options there.

There's also the most loyal knight of the round next to Bedi - who also appreciates the problem of too many women.
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Oh wait.
If we can only summon Servant for vacant spot its really cut our options.

First Set:
Saber: Artoria
Archer: EMIYA
Lancer: Cu
Rider: Medusa
B̡̛͢͟è̴̶r̴̨͠͝s̸̛̀é̛ŗ̛͞k̵͜e̴͟r̸̛̕ Avenger: Alcides (?)
Caster: Medea
Assassin: Shuten

Second Set:
Saber: Mordred
Archer: Golden Arrows Spamming Guy
Lancer: Wukong
Rider: Aífe (?)
Berserker: Ibaraki
Caster: Tamamo
Assassin: ?

So only Assassin left? Unless Mordred left a vacant spot.
Betty was an extra.
>"Scáthach, I need you to put on a swimsuit".
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>>4664503
I still want Morgan la fey. Get her and a knight of the round with shirou or Moedred would be great.
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>>4664510
Well if we're thinking in terms of slots and the summon was meant as replacement for Mordred who is no longer a Servant then it should be a Saber, no?
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>>4664538
I am more under the impression they wanted to summon something more loyal to them since Mordred de-facto ditched them so I am inclined to believe that dagger might actually belong to Carmilla. Vacant spot seems to be rather shake possibility but it is not everyday you get new Once and Future King so it is too early to write it off.
But since they were pretty eager to run away the moment shit hitted the fan despite those preparations and before that they werent fucking around and went as far as to summon Mordred that dagger might belong to someone much stronger than Carmilla.
If we were to pick Servant going by those assumptions I think >>4664503 has a solid list of options.
Our main enemy is Manaka right now and we lack in stealth department. So Katou Danzo with fame boost might be one of the best choices here given how she has mix of very high loyalty, great presence concealment and insanely strong assassination tools.
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>>4664560
I wonder if she'd mistake Shirou for Muramasa. They keep retconning back and forth between memory retention from prior summons (which, because the throne lies outside of time is effectively any time onwards from a canon appearance happening ever) but she's effectively an android so her memory retention might differ?

A rank Presence Concealment + Illusionary techniques + big bag of ninja tools and a fame bonus would be huge. She's also fairly familiar with Oni. Fuuma has the risk of succumbing to his oni blood if Ibaraki resummons Mt. Ooei even though his stealth kit is as good or better than hers. But he might have nice chemistry with some of the half demon Turkeyhandle cast
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>>4664560
One of the better options I have seen. Not changing myself but approved of.
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Wild idea, but why not let Mordred do the summoning? After all she's alive now and has her own mana reserves. And if she doesn't use a catalyst she's almost guaranteed to get another Knight of the Round.
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>>4664567
She might summon her other mum which may or may not be a total nightmare.
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>>4664568
And thus we will reunite the happy family. Good End(?)
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>>4664569
What if we got Morgan tainted with some unwanted Titania influence though? Judging from the LB6 previews so far.
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>>4664571
No idea what you are talking about, I dropped FGO a few months ago. Getting Morgan would be neat and seeing her interaction with the new happy Saber and Mordred could be fun.
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>>4664565
>>4664566
The problem with somebody like Fuuma or Okita could be that fame boost might be double aged sword to them should it buff their bad parts. Like how Ibaraki got her mad enhancement buffed.
Shame that getting Sakamoto Ryouma with fame boost and Counter Force blessing is impossible. He would have fit right in.
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>>4664572
pic related

>>4664574
So Danzou is probably the best option as she's a machine. Can't imagine the fame monkey paw influencing her too poorly.

Ryouma is nice, Oryou too if you have enough frogs to keep her occupied. If we ever did take the deal with Alaya a solid wish might be the ability to personally call out counterforce agents when needed with their personalities intact. Gives a solid toolbox of servants FGO style.
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>>4664579
Worst thing I could imagine happening to her because of fame is her getting next-gen hardware upgrade due to influence on her personal skills upon summon.
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>>4664582
Or meme'd into a mecha because modern day Japan.

>>4664487
For a period Violet is Shinji's servant in Foxtail iirc
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>ISP craps out for seven hours
God damn it.
That one anon who hates the female OC characters and keeps screaming about how my clarifying that using the summoning circle won't cause an explosion that takes out the entire city block is vote pushing really needs to fuck off though.

>>4664568
Morgan isn't possible to summon. I don't actually think she ever truly died. Due to being a fairy she should be immortal, and nobody ever actually kills her.

>>4664510
It's not linked to the Fuyuki System.
Altrouge was cheating.
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>>4664585
I don't know how you function without sleep.
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>>4664585
In the case
>>4663727
>Ask Mordred to do the summoning, she'll have her own Servant!
I doubt anyone will follow with this idea but I think it's worth trying.
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>>4664587
Mostly coffee.
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>>4664585
>Altrouge was cheating.
Bad girl.
So all rules are off I guess.
So does this means we can pull Servants from other timelines like you mentioned in previous thread? Lancer Artoria or Caster Artoria or even Arthur Pendragon? Half expecting him to appear right now with dagger being carnwennan.
With summoning seems to be winning will you call it or will we have sub vote on summoning now that we know extra options?
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>>4664592
You know what? I might just set up a sub-vote quickly seeing as I won't be writing for a few hours.

As for additional timelines, it's difficult to summon from those without messing with the circle (You aren't nearly talented enough with summoning to do that) or using the Second True Magic on the circle. (It's beyond the Kaleidosticks to use the Second to that degree.).
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>>4663727
Calling for summoning and having a sub-vote.

>Summon with catalyst dagger.
>Summon a random servant of random class. (Dice)
>Have Mordred summon instead.
>Have Sakura summon instead.
>Have Lugh summon instead.
>Have Arcueid summon instead.
>Call Shirou, ask him if he can bring you a catalyst through UBW (What do you want?)
>Write-in...

Destroying the summoning circle would've cause an explosion that would destroy the city block. All that magical energy contained within that crystal blood has to go somewhere, and you didn't seem like you were about to get Sakura to destroy it or Shirou to trace Rule Breaker to poke it with.
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>>4664598
>call Shirou, ask for Ascalon as a catalyst


This assumes we can't do some more convoluted memory transfer with Touko to get a wider variety of catalysts.
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>>4664599
Sorry to add to that

>call Shirou, have him examine the dagger first then based on that bring Ascalon as a backup.
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>>4664598
Have Mordred summon instead
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>>4664599
I think Shirou might have ALL the NPs now.
Not just the ones he mentioned in the update.

>>4664598
>random servant
Gachagachagachagacha
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>>4664598
>Have Mordred summon instead. Without a catalyst.
I would have asked for Arondight but since it's a Divine Construct Shirou can't Trace it.
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>>4664598
>Call Shirou, ask him if he can bring you a catalyst through UBW
>(What do you want?)
Any part of Danzou`s arsenal he can replicate.
And before summon ask him to identify that dagger.
Wish I was a bit more creative right now to come up with anti-Manaka Caster.
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>>4664598
>>4664602
Actually I'll switch to Mordred summon.
Hopefully she summons one of her brothers.
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>>4664598

>Call Shirou, and have him bring Rin on the phone.
>Tell our allies what we found and the opportunity it presents, ask if one of them wants to be the one to contract the new Servant, suggest Rin since she's currently squishiest and power doesn't seem to be the issue.
>If Rin agrees, she can pick catalyst according to her preference
>If she doesn't, use the dagger

>spoiler
well, looks like we need to be more careful when assuming Shinji's expertise in magecraft is good enough to not make this sort of mistake without explicitly taking care not to.
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>>4664614
>destroying the circle out of spite for Altrouge even though he knows it's perfectly fine and usable and basically just acting out of anger.
>explicitly taking care
Retard.
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Why do we have a hateboner for Altrouge again?
Because she gave us the succ in the bad end where we easily could have escaped her?
Or because she made Satsuki super strong and fulfilled Roa's role in turning her?
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>>4664618
I don't know why you're so hostile but there's nothing "angry" about breaking up summoning circle left by a powerful vampire with dubious motives just because she wrote us a letter where she says she's sorry for torturing our friend to death.

I mean we have every reason to be angry with her, even though Satsuki may choose to forgive her if she sees the letter (or not considering implications for our person), but we are taking a dangerous leap of faith by using something left by her, one I would not consider without OP's hinting that we should take it.
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>>4664625
People with taste still like her, we're surrounded by plebians.
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>>4664626
But there is.
Destroying it is just fucking ourselves out of some weird desire to fuck with somebody who explicitly doesn't give a shit about the war or circle.
Maybe if somebody did a Write-In to disassemble it or have Sakura nullify it, but destroying it is retarded angry sergeant mode.
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>>4664629
>angry sergeant
Sperge.
Fuck my cancer autocorrect.
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>>4664598
>Have Mordred summon instead.
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>>4664625
Problem with her is that she is pretty evil, wilful and hard to work with.
Plus our much better and reliable allies do not really like her. And for a solid reasons.
Has she come to help us instead of dead ending us with a lackluster succ players would have been much more willing to find a way to work with her.
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>>4664629

I think we're understanding the "destroy the circle" choice differently.

For me it's - well, was, now that OP confirmed it was a dead end - a choice to not take Altrouge's letter at face value, suspecting the circle and whatever came out of it was meant to entrap us somehow, and to neutralize it so that some random passer by accidentally activates whatever it is (or is not) meant to do.

One thing we can reasonably expect is that Altrouge doesn't want us dead, so using the circle presumably wouldn't kill us, so there's that.
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>>4664636
>so that some random passer by accidentally activates
derp.
so that no random passerby accidentally activates it
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So, if Mordred is summoning she'll probably end up summoning one of the roundtable knights right?
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>>4664636
>random passersby
You mean NPC/mob characters that Shinji doesn't give a shit about?
Try to actually vote in character anon.
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>>4664638
She might get someone like Hua Mulan or Caenis? None of the round table liked or interacted with morud much.
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>>4664638
If she doesn't use a catalyst then she'll most likely summon another knight. Which would be a good thing since most of them are loyal and strong.
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>>4664635
I think it's a matter of how we met her.
We've never met her on equal ground.
Both times we met her she had an insurmountable advantage over us.
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>>4664640
She's literally siblings with Gawain, Gareth, Gaheris and Agravain.
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>>4664639
There's one or two anons that keep bringing this up because in like one story post Shinji referred to non-named characters as mobs and questioned their existence, but at no point did we actually act like we don't care about collateral damage or non-named casualties.
Shinji is certainly not going to ascribe as much value to random strangers as to named ones he cares about but that doesn't mean he dismisses them entirely as a non-value.

Plus they are also part of Alaya.
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>>4664643
Most of them hated the old her, especially Gawain
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>>4664646
She still has a strong connection with them, be it hate or love.
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>>4664644
Yeah but when have we ever done anything for fucking mob characters?

>>4664646
Gawain can deal with it.
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>>4664647
Oh I know, but a lot of people are acting like a knight of the round would be loyal automatically to morud if she was the summoner and master.
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>>4664649
I think they would once they realize both Saber and Caliburn aknowledge her as the rightful ruler.
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>>4664649
The moment they saw Caliburn they would sort of have to be loyal to her.
If not that then Artoria would set them straight.
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>Summon a random servant of random class. (Dice)

GACHA TIME! GACHA TIME!
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>>4664648

Well there was not really much of a chance to do so as we've been kept busy, but of the things I recall...

We helped a lost girl find a dog in the park before we realized she's a named character. Protecting her from the beast before we realized her identity might also count.
We promised to coach a girl in fight before we realized she's a named character.
We forbade Shuten from feeding on people.
We considered safety of non-servant hostages in raid on the temple.
We considered safety of Tohno retainers when facing Berserker.

Of course you can twist most or all of that by ascribing some other motive, I guess if it makes you happy.
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>>4664654
Ok but half of the votes were only doing so because REEEE FUCK YOU ALTROUGE
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>>4664598
>Have Mordred summon instead.
I want to see the knights reaction to King Mordred and Wife Arturia.
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>>4664656
Fair enough, I can't speak for fellow Anons.
Anyway it looks like Mordred will be getting a Servant so I'm curious what she'll draw.
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>>4664598
>Have Mordred summon instead. Without a catalyst.
Plz be tristan plz be tristan.
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>>4664654
For the first and second points there, Shinji recognized both of them, just not consciously, for the third, it was pretty explicitly to make her palatable to our allies. For your fourth point, we were trying to get Issei and Kuzuki out, so might as well get the rest.
And lastly, they were part of a business deal, and its better for business if your business partners are alive.
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>>4664656
We have had legitimate reasons not to trust her and the only reason summoning won the vote was QM begging for it.
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>>4664673
>legitimate reasons not to trust her
Like "Vampire lady scaaaaaaaaaary?"
She's not here.
It's a summoning circle.
We know it's not boobytrapped.
Altrouge is trying to apologise.
We don't even need to use it ourselves.

>QM begging for it
Sounds like he just didn't want to write another embarrassing dead end because anon wanted to shoot themselves in the foot instead of accept help from somebody they don't like.
But accepting treasure from Gilgamesh and offering to help him is fine right?
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>>4664678
>We know it's not boobytrapped.

We do know, but in character we were not quite certain.

>>4663727
>There is however still the matter of this summoning Circle to deal with. Can you trust Altrouge to have been telling the truth in her letter? Is this really a working Summoning Circle? If it is, then you might just be able to use it to get some more power on your side before you go ahead and try to liberate your allies from Manaka!

Not to mention we're taking it at face value that the letter on Rizo's desk is actually from Altrouge, although admittedly it would be a risk from Rizo to forge a letter from Altrouge in case we showed it to her later.
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>>4664678
>>4664678
>We know it's not boobytrapped.
Because QM said so. If he didn't say it there was no indication of it.
>didn't want to write another embarrassing dead end
When did it stop him before? Where were all those posts when players choose to do nothing and be turned into vampire?
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>>4664681
QM didn't say it was boobytrapped though. Everyone just wrongly started assuming.
>Where were all those posts when players choose to do nothing and be turned into vampire?
No amount of warnings would've been able to stop that level of willful retardation.
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>>4664585
>That one anon
Because there's totally only one person who didn't like your vote pushing.
Since when do you care about dead ends? You've let us turn Shuten into a goddess without a single warning but now you suddenly care?
>>4664598
>you didn't seem like you were about to get Sakura
You didn't give us an option to do that and you didn't give us any reason to believe that there will be an explosion.
Good on you for not addressing any of my or anyoone else's points.
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>>4664684
>No amount of warnings would've been able to stop that level of willful retardation.
A single post would have been enough but there was literally nothing.
>QM didn't say it was boobytrapped though.
He did not address it at all. He didn't say it wasn't boobytrapped.
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>>4664685
I hope this makes you fuck off for good, you stupid cunt.
QM clearly doesn't want you around
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>>4664689
Is QM going to have to specify everything for you, you autistic retard?
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>>4664691
He specified it quite extensively this time for you retard.
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>>4664690
I hope QM can spare some of his time and tell us himself.
Hey QM if you personally tell me that you don't want me as your player I'll stop posting.
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>>4664692
You clearly don't enjoy the quest so why don't you fuck off?
The catalog button is right there.
>>4664694
That's probably because he didn't think retards like you would start wrongly assuming shit.
It's like assuming every update somebody is dead if they aren't specifically mentioned to be alive.
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>>4664697
Yeah right. It's not like we were fucked out of nowhere before or anything.
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>>4664697
I used to enjoy it and I'll continue reading simply because I invested a lot of time into it. Certainly won't be participating in this railroaded bullshit though.
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>>4664699
>>4664702
Must suck being allergic to fun.
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>>4664709
Must suck being this much of an autist.
"Someone on the internet said something I disagree with! I must reply to him immediately!".
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>>4664709
Must suck being this toxic.
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>>4664713
I'm not the one crying, pissing and shitting my pants because I lost a vote
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>>4664717
I didn't even vote you dumbass.
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>>4664716
>toxic
Nice buzzword, Twitter.
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>>4664702
I'm pretty sure OP did what he did to players' benefit because he has a scenario where we go face Manakas and don't have counters for some of their bullshit at all. I don't think he'd railroad us into forced drama.

Regardless, at this juncture it's pointless to fight over previous vote. We've all made our points and reiterating them will just eat up posts.
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>>4664718
Then fuck off.
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>>4664725
Make me mr hall monitor.
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>>4664727
You are literally a cancerous growth that exists only to complain about the quest.
Do us all a favour and fuck off.
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Here, one artificial perfect summon with artificial perfect summoner as a summoning lynchpin.
No returns.
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>>4664731
But why.
Go.
Leave.
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>>4664737
>"I'm annoyed."
You didn't even vote, nigger.
You have no point.
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>>4664741
I've made a number of posts you illiterate faggot.
>>4664742
That's right. Just ignore me and I will totally go away.
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>>4664742
Probably for the best.
Can't keep feeding the troll and his alts.
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>>4664745
Everyone is my alt. Even you.
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In the interest of trying to restore sanity to the thread.
What knight do you want to see Mordred summon?
Personally I want Gawain.
Maybe Agravain the based instead.
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>>4664757
Lancelot or Gawain.
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>>4664757
Anything non-Camelot related.
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>>4664757
Gawain would be nice.
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>4664764


Oi. You fucking TRYING to get WhatIs to go into hibernation again?! Anyways please fuck off back to >>>/trash/ where you can probably get aaaaalllll the attention you want. Now seriously. Fuck off.
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>>4664779
Ah good morning. I see you’ve noticed all the shitty 1post ids (that are likely all the same guy) trying to shit up your thread. Anyways best of luck with the update dude. Keep up the great work :D
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>4664776
And your demands are?
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>>4664779
What's up? I hope you are enjoying this. Because it's going to get worse.
>>4664787
For the QM to get off his high horse and address people's points without being deliberately obtuse.
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Just filter him? Whatis already told him to fuck off.
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>>4664794
You change ids again?
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Right. Let me make something clear.
If you thought I was trying to push the vote in one way, that's fine, I can see how you might think that, and it's true that I did prefer one option over the other, because I considered one to be interesting and potentially fun, and the other to be anticlimactic and boring.
If you want to call that railroading, then fine, but you have no idea what railroading actually is, because at the end of the day it was still the players choice.
I just failed to properly get across the fact that it wasn't going to fuck you over in some way in the text itself and I wanted to clarify.

Had destroy actually won, I would've probably given an additional vote on how to destroy the magic circle instead of just bad ending you over it immediately.
It would've been very boring and then you would've left with nothing.

>>4664788
Please stop breaking /qst/ rules, complaining about quest progression is against the rules of the board and I believe it's a bannable offence.
You wouldn't want to get rangebanned would you?
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>>4664788
>I'm not pushing the vote per say, I just feel like I could've made things clearer in the update itself.
He's already addressed the lack of clarity in the update, you're a shitter for shitters sake.

If anyone is interested in getting rid of this guy, I suggest you report his posts in the hope a mod comes along and rangebans him.
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>>4664797
Well that wasn't that hard was it? Instead of saying all this bullshit >>4664585
All I ever fucking wanted was one genuine post that would address shit. There were at least 3 different anons with high post count who have complained but no it's just "That one anon" stirring shit up. Just call them all samefags that will solve everything. And then have your bitchboys attack anyone who leaves less than stellar remarks.
>It would've been very boring
Didn't stop you before. Where were your warning before? How many badends did we have when one vague post from you would turn things around? I suppose every badend before was extremely interesting but this one explosion was just unbearably boring.
>complaining about quest progression
I didn't complain about quest progression once. I don't vote ever. I accept any outcome and continue reading. I complained about one singular problem which was vote pushing. That's it. Thanks for twisting my words again though. You seem to be a fan of that.
>You wouldn't want to get rangebanned would you?
If you feel that you should rangeban me go right ahead.
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Reminder to report and ignore
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>>4664812
Trip fell
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Alright, can I get... 5 2d100s, as you're using Mordred to summon.

For the first 1d100
1-40 will be catalyst summons (Mordred as the Catalyst)
41-60 will be summoned based on compatibility
61-100 will be Servants that don't fit into either category.

The second 1d100 will determine the quality of the Servant.

After I've gotten the rolls in, I'll give you the class, category, quality and sex of the servants, then you can vote for them.
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Rolled 14, 1 = 15 (2d100)

>>4664823
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Rolled 94, 83 = 177 (2d100)

>>4664823
Let's see what she's got
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>>4664825
nice
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>>4664825
...surely we can't crit this, can we?

>>4664823
wait a minute, servants? As in, plural? Mordred is getting a round table right here and now?
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Rolled 9, 87 = 96 (2d100)

>>4664823
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Rolled 97 (1d100)

>>4664823
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>>4664828
nevermind, I'm retarded.
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Rolled 92, 3 = 95 (2d100)

>>4664823
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Rolled 36, 28 = 64 (2d100)

>>4664823
Sorry
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>>4664828
I'm interested in what counts as a nat one servant.
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>>4664835
Betty.
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>>4664825
Ho boy.
[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female

>>4664826
Caster, Random, Quality 83, Female

>>4664829
Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male

>>4664832
Saber, Random, Quality 3, Male

>>4664834
Lancer, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 28, Female

Vote for one.
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>>4664841
Ho boy.
[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female

I guess?
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
I'm all for more weirdos.
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>>4664841
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
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>>4664841
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
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>>4664841
[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
Yes, give us jobber number one.
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>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
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>>4664841
Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
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When will the vote be counted, I'm excited to see the short bus.
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>>4664860
Forty minutes, though are you... are you really sure about this?
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>>4664861
It's qst.
We live by the mysterybox, we die by the mysterybox.
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>>4664861
Yes.
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>>4664861
I have no idea what the specials mean but it might liven things up
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Anybody wants to try playing guessing game?
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
Merlin Prototype or Goddess Rhongomyniad.
>Caster, Random, Quality 83, Female
Sheba.
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
Gawain.
>Saber, Random, Quality 3, Male
Some Fake Servant like Sasaki was.
Black Knight from Monty Python.
>Lancer, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 28, Female
Brynhildr.

>>4664861
Will you tell us that were the results after vote called? Of course saving the victorius for proper update.
I am quite curious.
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This vote is really indicative of the true desires of the Whatis questgoer.
Do we choose the solid, dependable Saber of the Round Table, or do we opt for the most unbalanced triple special tag waifu we can find?
You already know the answer.
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>>4664861
>Are you really sure about this
Well is it going to definitively bad end us? No? Then we’re fine. Whats the worst that could happen, we somehow summon ANOTHER Mordred?
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>>4664873
That would be funny
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>>4664841
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
Fuck mystery boxes.
I want more bros!
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>>4664841
>Ho boy.
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
Who can resist the lure of the mystery box?
It could be anything! It could even be another Mordred!
I'LL TAKE THE BOX!
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>>4664873
>>4664875
So this is how it goes.
We are enslaving Altrouge and making her set up new rituals.
After another Mordred get summoned we make Shirou create another Sword of Selection and make that Mordred summon another Mordred...
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>>4664881
A never ending cycle
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>>4664841
Well I guess it's pointless to fight against the mystery box.

Still, and although it goes contrary to my better judgment to vote for another girl, we could probably benefit from another (hopefully) friendly Caster.

>Caster, Random, Quality 83, Female
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
You can't show us all those [SPECIAL]s and expect us not to vote for it, lol
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female

MYSTERY BOX.
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>>4664841

>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male

GIVE US THE BEDIVERE
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>>4664841
>[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
I have no regrets. This is the only path.
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>>4664841
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
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>>4664841
wait wait wait hold on. Did we fucking summon Rhongamyniad???
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>>4664907
Hahahaha.
Worse.
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>>4664909
Nice.
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>>4664909
Morgan?
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>>4664909
IT'S MERLIN ISN'T IT
FEMERLIN
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>>4664909
>possibility that we get Morgan
Ohshit.png
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>>4664841
[SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] [SPECIAL] Female
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>>4664909
If it's gonna be Guinevre then this family drama will go through the roof.

We'll end up having to summon Arthur(Male) and then we can get Kirei to marry them again in front of Fuyuki temple.
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>>4664929
>cucked again
How will she ever recover?
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I think it's safe to call it now
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>>4664960
Probably, yeah.
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>get banned on /a/ for "offtopic discussion"
>miss votes for 3 days
Fucking mods, holy shit, i missed so much thread autism.
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>>4664974
Being a real person on /a/ is a banable offense.
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>>4664978
I still don't get why this bans are not limited to the board, why the fuck they have to be global bans.
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>>4664841
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
Richard?? Saber Proto?? Please one of them!
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>>4664984
To incentivize you to buy a pass.
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I wonder if it is possible to fuck up whole war structure with one summon hard enough to derail rest of the plot.
I hope so.
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>>4664989
nobunaga would be very fucking OP if summoned on japan and even more against gods.
Would be funny if we summoned irisviel,
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>>4664989
Berserker Arc would be OP in any situation.
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>>4665004
If I remember right, isn't Berserker Arc heavily nerfed due to not fitting the container properly and shit?
To get full Arc, you'd need to summon her as Funny Vamp.
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>>4665004
Berserker Arc is actually horribly horribly nerfed in EXTRA for a multitude of reasons.
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>>4665006
>Funny Vamp
Fucking nasu
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Funny idea.
But since Mordred now shares both qualities of Servant and human is is possible for her to become "Demi/Pseudo-Servant" via possession by another summoned Heroic Spirit?
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I am so fucking confused, i just woke up, what's happening?
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>>4665016
gatcha
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>>4665016
We found Altrouge left us a free Servant summoning circle as apology for turning Satsuki and punishment for Rizo and we're using it to have Mordred summon a mystery box for herself.
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Is that 1 on quality factored in to [SPECIAL]? Kinda on the fence when we've got a reliable round table member (pls be Bedi) on the docket as well.
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>>4665053
It's [SPECIAL] quality.
Don't ask what that means.
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>>4665054
Then here's my guess
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Can Atilla be summoned?
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>>4665062
maybe? i guess it depends of the QM
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>>4664841
> Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male

It’s not gonna win against shiny [SPECIAL] but might as well try
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>>4665062
We'll only know once the update drops.
It's been so long that I've got red tally marks popping up on the back of my hand.
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>>4665062
She should be normal heroic spirit unless whole Moon Cell plotline happening, no?
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>>4665072
Yeah, it's kind of depressing. Any other time, reliable KotR Saberbro would be a sure thing.
But anon cannot resist the lure of the Nat 1 Mystery Box.
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>>4664841
i +1 >>4665072 but its fine if my vote don't count because low posts.
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Remember.
You voted for this.
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>>4665091
its the d100 fault
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>>4665091
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>>4665091
>red text

We are fucked. VERY MUCH SO. Whatever comes out of this mystery box.....it isn’t good.
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>>4665091
Just post it instead of redtexting about it.
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>>4665091
Hm, what else kind of female summon linked to Mordred could come up... Gareth clearly not, that would not warrant such FUN. Guinevre after all? Maybe FemShinji?
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>>4665098
Its probably Morgan
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>>4665091
Come at me bro.
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>>4665098
another fucked up version of herself
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>>4665091

Worth it.
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>>4665098
>FemShinji
That would be a trip.
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>>4665104
lets fuck ourselves and see what comes from it
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>>4665100
OP made it clear she's not summonable though, and probably out there to appear as plot NPC
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>>4665098
>>4665104
Perfect for my own clone jokes.
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"Hold on... This summoning circle represents a rare opportunity for us. While I certainly don't like using something that Altrouge has left behind, I can't see anything wrong with it." A brief examination of the magic circles tells you enough. It's not malicious and there's nothing about it that appears to be a trap. The only thing of any concern are the crystallized droplets of blood that seem to be powering it, but even that's not much of a concern to you.

"An opportunity? You're not thinking of summoning another Servant, are you, Onii-chan?" Sakura frowns at you as you state your intention to use the circle.

"Oh no, Sakura. The summoning circle isn't for me! Judging from this circle, it's not linked to the Fuyuki Grail at all, so it's unlikely that whatever Servant is summoned would be summoned with Command Spells... Well, probably, at least." That being said, your own Command Spells would probably function on whatever Servant is summoned anyway, if you actually used it, though you've got something else in mind. "No. I'm going to have Mordred summon a Servant!" It's definitely the best path for you to take here. Not only does Mordred naturally have more than enough magical energy to sustain a Servant entirely through her own power, but she's also powerful enough that she ought to be able to force a Servant to agree to work for her! Not to mention the high likelihood that having her summon a Servant will mean she'll act as her own Catalyst and end up summoning one of the Round Table Knights! They might have issues with Mordred at first, but they'll quickly understand when the situation is explained to them. At least half of them were loyal enough to Arturia to serve her even after she had become nothing else but the emotionless shell that was the Lion King, the Goddess Rhongomyniad.

"You're going to have... Mordred do the summoning?" Sakura looks at you with confusion, not entirely certain whether or not what you're suggesting is a good idea.

"Well why not? Mordred is obviously looking for more allies for whatever will end up happening after the war, and a loyal Round Table Knight at her side will end up making things far easier for her in that regard." Of course, it really depends on the knight that is summoned. Ideally you'll want somebody like Lancelot, Gawain, or Galahad. But honestly, any of the Round Table Knights is powerful enough that they'd be useful to you, even the weaker ones.

You walk over to the stairway before you yell down to the girl searching on the floor below you, "Mordred! Come up here! I've found something useful!"
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>All the anons not voting for potentially Saber Proto and wanting us to be murdered by Harem bad end from all the females in the story.
Y'all deserve the to get Femme Fatale vore'd by Sakura.
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You only have to wait a few seconds before Mordred appears at your side, the superhuman speed she possesses being put to great use. It's actually quite impressive that she can move that quickly without dealing any damage to her surroundings! She must have exceptional control over herself. "What have you found, Advisor?" She sounds uneasy as she asks you, you have no idea just what they might've found in the storage room, but that's not really relevant to you right now.

You lead the girl towards the study and the summoning circle, before stopping to allow Mordred to get a good look at it. "Well, I uncovered this unused summoning circle, and I was thinking that seeing as I already have my three Servants, it would only be fair if I gave you the chance to summon some additional aid! I'm certain that one of your old comrades on the Round Table would assist you in any endeavors you set out to accomplish, when they find out you have been acknowledged as the rightful king!"

"You might be right, Advisor... I imagine more than a few of them might end up attacking me on sight, but even if it's Lancelot, I should be fine." Mordred agrees to your suggestion quite quickly. "So, how do I use this thing?"

"That's quite simple, you just place your palm on the circle and then you utter the incantatio-" You pause as you see Mordred has already kneeled down and placed her hand in the center of the circle. Normally you would've just continued talking, but you notice that something strange is going on with the circle, as the red glow starts to intensify!

"Advisor? Is it meant to be doing this?" The red glow turns into an almost... liquid like substance as it flows upwards, the magical energy of the circle is rapidly drained from it until it is a ball of red floating in front of Mordred. What the hell is happening? The summoning circle was flawless! You made sure of that yourself! "Advisor?" Mordred calls out again, her voice showing hints of concern at your lack of a reaction.

"Mordred! Get back!" You call out to the King, who rapidly does so, in addition to drawing her blade. Whatever is about to form in this room, you, Sakura, Mordred and even Betty come to the conclusion that they are bad news very rapidly. The red ball of summoned energy begins to take form, slowly morphing into a humanoid figure, the figure of a woman, that much you can easily tell.
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>>4665105
>>4665107

Assuming it wouldn't yank us out and back into reality as the Servant...

although in fairness having a spare might be good in that she could tank those among our friends that don't mind taking the /u/ route...
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Then, in a flash of blinding black light, the summoned Servant finally makes themselves known. A veiled blonde woman wearing a tiara and a dark blue dress with lighter blue highlights appears to you. Oh no. This... This was the worst possible outcome!

"M-mother?!" Mordred's surprise mirrors your own surprise perfectly.

"Mordred! I'm so proud of you! I had noticed your success and was waiting for an opportunity in which I could appear to you! You certainly didn't make me wait very long though, did you? This... Servant body... It's... passable." Morgan le Fay has somehow been summoned. "I didn't think I would be able to meet you again! I was sleeping within a holdout of mystery on this world, waiting for the reemergence of the King of Britain, but I never thought that it would be you! Of course, with our connection to each other, it was a simple matter of intercepting your summoning." Morgan laughs. Behind her veil, you can make out something very interesting. She's got the exact same face as Arturia and Mordred!

"But... Mother, you can't be here! Didn't you die?" Mordred asks Morgan the same thing you've been wondering yourself. Though it doesn't really matter seeing as you were planning on summoning somebody dead anyway. Seems a strange thing for Mordred to get caught up on. In fact it's actually stranger that she's still alive.

"Don't be foolish, Mordred. I'm a fairy! I won't die until all the mystery of this world is gone!" Mordred laughs as she corrects her child. "Now, would you mind telling me exactly how you ascended to be recognized as the one true King of Britain?" It seems that despite everything, Morgan doesn't have the whole picture. You don't know just how to approach this situation. Morgan is certainly a powerful witch. In fact, it wouldn't be a stretch to call her the Queen of Witches, and would be an immensely useful ally on account of being Merlin's equal. But... It's Morgan le Fay, as far as unreliable allies with ulterior motives go, she would easily top the list. "With me at your side, we shall take over not just Britain, but the entire world!"

You were seemingly mistaken in your thoughts that this summoning circle wouldn't grant the summoner command spells however, as on Mordred's left hand is a glowing red tattoo. The mark of her being a Master. Seems that Altrouge even managed to copy over that aspects of the ritual. Still, you need to deal with this situation.

>"Sakura, Betty. Please restrain this woman."
>"Mordred, those are some neat command spells you've got there."
>Say something to Morgan yourself (What?)
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.
>Write-in...
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>>4665113
great
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>>4665113
>>Say something to Morgan yourself (What?)
>point at her and scream
i may change this vote later
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>>4665107
Both will remain virgins.
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>>4665113
this is literally the worst summoning we could've possibly done, we should've use the catalyst
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>>4665113
>This... This was the worst possible outcome!
Help, I can't breathe...I love it. That you QM.
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>>4665122
i just wish i wasnt banned so i could have voted for somethin else.
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Here's what you could have won!

>Caster, Random, Quality 83, Female
Circe
>Saber, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 87, Male
Gawain
>Saber, Random, Quality 3, Male
Gilles.
>Lancer, Mordred Catalyst, Quality 28,
Gareth
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>>4665126
circe would had been interesting.
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>>4665113
Welp.

>Let Mordred handle this
>Take a step to her side to make it clear we've got her back in this.

Surely us having fulfilled her every dream over course of previous day will be enough to ensure she'll take our suggestions over mom's.
And to be fair she's been rather kingly recently.
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>>4665126
>Circe
Dodged a bullet there.
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>>4665113
I called this from the beginning of the quest. Awesome
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>>4665126
we made the right choice, can you tell us what the dagger was from or is that still in play?
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>>4665129
Support.
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>>4665113
Mordred, those are some neat command spells you've got there
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>>4665126
>Gawain
That would have been cool, we could have been SUNBROS!

>Gareth
Is it bad I want this more then any of the others, even though she's only Quality 28, I want Mordred and her little sister hanging out.
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>>4665126
I think Morgan is more interesting than any of these choices, so I am happy with it. Thanks QM.
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>>4665126
>Circe
Really spicy.
Who was the dagger one?
>>4665112
>although in fairness having a spare might be good in that she could tank those among our friends that don't mind taking the /u/ route...
>"Now listen I need you to take one for our team..."
>"I am starting to understand Rin."
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>>4665113
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.
Mordred has to face every aspect of her past, especially the ugly parts of it in order to become an even greater King than Artoria. It was inevitable that she faces her mother anyway, let's have faith in Mordred, she no longer has to live in Artoria's shadow anymore and Morgan can no longer play on those insecurities.
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>>4665133
It was a dagger that used to belong to Achilles.
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>>4665142
Well that's a damn shame. We should've identified it.
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>>4665142
Crap that really is unfortunate... Oh well, from a story perspective Mordred having to face her manipulative mother from the past is more interesting.
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>>4665142
Ah he's my bro too
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>>4665142
MOTHEFUCKER, on one hand, Morgan is honestly the most interesting choice and puts both Mordred and Saber in the forefront of the quest now, on the other hand, Achilles is an absolute bro and a god tier servant
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>>4665142
fuck people liking mystery boxes
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>>4665113
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.

MMMMMMMEEEEEEEERRRRRRLLLLLLIIIIINNN!
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>>4665148
Please be gentle.
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>>4665113
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.
But with all honesty it is nice to use this as a character development tool for Mordred. Certainly better than to bloat cast of characters even more with some round table fillers.
>I won't die until all the mystery of this world is gone!
Easy snack for Sakura.
>>4665142
We are getting that Man with No Name Ruler arent we?
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>>4665151
>Easy snack for Sakura.
Sharing dorm with Tiamat - what could go wrong?
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>>4665151
>Easy snack for Sakura.
Are we turning Sakura's world into a zoo for supernatural creatures?
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>>4665151
>>4665153
>>4665154
Sakura is used to voreing many kinds of magic rich things, she'll be fine~
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>>4665153
>>4665154
Just imagine Sakura having different possession power ups depending on situation.
And after she eats Alan she unlocks BB form!
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>>4665151
If he were to be summoned, the Man with No Name would be summoned into a Gunner class. As would all gun wielding Servants. It officially exists, it's just that FGO didn't bother programming it because Archer is a close enough match.
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>>4665126
>Gawain
FUUUUUUUUUUCK. BEST CHAD

>>4665113
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.
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>>4665161
Gunner class is completely retarded imo, there's no reason for it to exist, if fucking Gilgamesh who just chucks weapons at people can be considered an Archer, i think a guy with a gun can be an Archer too
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>>4665158
>Rin
>rich
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>>4665161
gunner is just redundant.
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>>4665166
It's no dumber than the concept behind Shielder, lets be real.
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>>4665161
I`ll be honest with you, WhatIs.
After seeing red text I was expecting you to throw Kuro at us just to make sure harem goes thermonuclear.
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>>4665113
>>4665118 i change my vote for
>Let Mordred handle this situation. See if she can escape from her Mother's shadow.
>>4665174
Kuro would be really fucking funny with illya and all, she also would be a good discount emiya until we rescue him.
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>>4665173
shielder exists because mashu needed to be "special"
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>>4665166
>>4665172
Gunner would have different Class Skills compared to Archer, so it's not completely redundant.

>>4665174
>Kuro
Kuro is not only impossible to summon with this summoning method, but I'd have had Kiara be summoned if I REALLY wanted to bring you an apocalypse if I wasn't bound to my own rules. Morgan just hacked the summoning to summon herself.
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>>4665176
then again, Achilles and Ajax are Shielders
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>>4665177
>Gunner would have different Class Skills compared to Archer, so it's not completely redundant.
Meh, there are already too many classes.
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>>4665181
and leonidas can also be summoned as such, but fgo just has mashu as a shielder because nasu is lazy or something.
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>>4665182
This can be entirely blamed upon each new entry of Fate seemingly needing to create its own special class.
FSN had the original seven
HA had Avenger (He was kinda referred to in F/SN but whatever)
Apocrypha has Ruler
EXTRA/CCC has Mooncancer and Alter Ego
FGO has Shielder and Foreigners and Beasts
Strange Fake has Watcher
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>>4665191
Strange Fake also has Gatekeeper
EXTRA has Saver
Requiem has Voyager
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>>4665191
tbf, Shielder was a concept since FSN, it was just cut because Nasu and Takeuchi were on the clock, if they had time, we would've gotten a Illya route, Rider/Shinji route, Caster route and a Shielder route
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>>4665177
It would have been fun way to push it to the limit but actualy having BB shows up and be genre savvy about whole thing would have been much more engaging way to solve Harem Question. But that's starting to go into Carnival Phantasm territory.
I have a last question though.
Apart from rolls and dagger what were other interesting and unique opportunities we had here?
Like using shroud or letting Arc do it. Can't imagine it working normally.
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>>4665195
the nasu decided to become lazy and never tried to add this other routers on the FSN rereleases.
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i think its funny that some of you were fuckers were complaining about QM railroading so he could add another waifu to the harem, but we would've gotten an absolute bro instead if we just went with the catalyst

>>4665198
it took him 13 years to remake Tsukihime, he would've died trying to add 4 extra routes and rewrite the 3 original ones in FSN
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>>4665207
i wonder if we are going to get the extra shit on the tsukihime remake
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>>4665209
Satsuki route was the first thing that was confirmed, there's a new Dead Apostle roaming around. I wouldn't be surprised if we get the Dark Six since that thing has been referenced so much throughout the franchise
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>>4665207
>>4665209
Studio BB now exists and EXTRA remake already happening.
Can't imagine them not returning to other older works.
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>>4665211
satsuki's route was said by nasu a long time ago, not sure if he said more about it recently
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>>4665211
>Satsuki Route was the first thing to be confirmed
I think Nasu mentioned it in an interview eight years ago?
Honestly, it could very well have been cut again by now. I don't have much faith in Nasu after Last Encore.
They also replaced all the VAs and that's just a sin.

>I wouldn't be surprised if we get the Dark Six
You should be, as the Aylesbury Valesti is easily something that would require it's own game in order to properly explore.
Also Aylesbury is in the UK.
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>>4665212
if fsn gets a remake and no illya route i'm going to kill nasu
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>>4665221
would be a dick move to neg on the first thing she promised in the remake, Satsuki was in the trailer with a fair amount of focus too her too

>>4665212
Nasu seems like he wants to move away from the Fate series and i honestly don't blame him, he wants to do something with vampires apparently, plus if he really wanted to make new routes he could just work with ufotable so they can keep printing money

>>4665222
I will go to Japan and punch Nasu in her throat if she cuts Satsuki route again.

I think replacing the VAs was a good call, Hisui's VA passed away RIP and instead of just replacing her, might as well replace everyone and kinda make the remake more different.

I just want the Dark Six and i feel like Nasu will die before we get any info on it
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>>4665113
>>Write-in...
Flirt with Morgan.
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Here >>4664567>>4664568 we can see the exact moment when shit got jinxed
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>>4665243
I'm glad I proposed the idea of Mordred doing the summoning.
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>>4665243
I suggested sub-vote. Before it dagger summon was winning.
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>>4664585
>Morgan isn't possible to summon
fucking liar
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>>4665242
Support
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>>4665247
I should've specified.
"Morgan isn't possible for YOU to summon."
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>>4665250
you know what you did
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>>4665256
You were the ones who voted for the [SPECIAL] boxes after critfailing.
It's not even a real summon.
I stand by what I said.
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>>4665250
>>4665258
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So Morgan has independent manifestation? Nice, another beast candidate. What a clusterfuck.

Judging by how she made Add Morgan is heavily tsun towards Artoria and not actively malicious. Especially if the current situation has her sister happy and abdicated and her daughterson exactly where she wanted her.

>>4665126
>circe
Awakening flashbacks, too unstable and conflict with Medea

>gawain
Based but bland

>giles
Dodged a bullet

>gareth
meh

Narrative wise its good I guess out of the rolled options? Achilles would have of course been busted and taken off some female pressure as he's such a chad. He could have also speedblitzed plenty of problems
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>>4665258
Don't pretend like you didn't know EXACTLY how the vote was going to go when you stuck three allcaps specials on one of the choices.
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>>4665264
>taken off some female pressure as he's such a chad
it didn't work with Shirou and Cu around
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>>4665263
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>>4665267
To be fair Shirou stepped in the moment Cu started flirting with Rin. He might be dense but dude had balls.
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>>4665270
i completely forgot that, which thread was that?
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>>4665273
I was speaking in canon. He does so in UBW route.
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>>4665258
>Its not even a real summon
Wait so does that mean that the summoning circle can still be reused or does that mean that the Grail could still possibly summon a replacement servant? Mordred is no longer second Saber so wouldn't Grail have to produce another Saber to fill that spot? Hmmm.... Okay pic is probably wishful thinking, but I wish that A-san appears in this quest somehow but thats probably a stretch.
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>>4665276
bitch witch hacked the summoning so she could have a servant body.
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>>4665275
oh yeah, well duh, Shirou fucking went up against Gilgamesh and Heracles to protect Saber, dude is a special blend of retarded and suicidal
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>>4665265
I hope you're satisfied
But if you ain't
Don't blame me!
You can blame my friends with the many siiiiiiiides!
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>>4665276
yeah good point, Mordred technically didn't die, so the Grail might try and fix itself and summon a 4th Saber
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>>4665270
People were giving Tamamo shit but Cu is the real magnet for domestic troubles.
>>4665276
Anon, she herself said.
>This... Servant body... It's... passable.
She stole the body of newly summoned Servant.
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>>4665278
he just said to cu to not flirt with her, this isnt really suicidal.
>>4665280
booo
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>>4665284
Cu has done much less and much worse for sex
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Also, Morgan may help dealing with Nyarly and Manaka, as Independent Manifestation provides resistance to time fuckery and both Proto and normal Merlin have it at A, Morgan has always been considered a counterpart to him.
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I do have one regret in this situation.
We really fucked it up for Shirou.
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>>4665292
I forgot that Shirou is now the step dad of the King of Britain.
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>>4665292
He could have been an eternal murderjannie after dying for israel in syria instead
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>>4665292
We got him to propose to his one true waifu and pretty much guaranteed he won't become EMIYA, i think we did just fine
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>>4665292
How? Jealous Gilgamesh is not a threat with the power houses we have, Morgan can be easily dealt with, again with all the power houses we have. Shriou got all that he wanted, unless you wanted Rin to be paired with him.
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>>4665292
I'm sure he'll figure out a way to get along fine with his sister-in-law

It's too bad we missed out on him teaching Gawain what proper mashed potatoes is though
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>>4665297
Gilgamesh likely won't, he kinda ignored Saber in UBW because of other pressing matters and shit is even more fucked and he's actively getting nerfed. Also we should probably deal with Rin after the whole Ciel and love interests thing
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>>4665299
Cooking route closed
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>>4665294
>>4665295
>>4665296
>>4665297
>>4665299
Bringing Morgan in today out of all days and all related relationship baggage with Artoria is kind of a bad move.
Hardly the worst thing to do but still.
It is like starting knife fight at the wedding with brides ex as groom's best man whom you invited by accident with mass invite.
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>>4665296
I really want to see EMIYA's reaction to all this shit.
>"you did what"
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>>4665343
he died so Shirou could get a threesome, he'd probably be at least a little bit happy
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>>4665297
honestly rin is still a possibility for the autist, but he would need to try that and shirou is bad at romance.
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>>4665345
I mean the other things, like erasing roa from the root, sakura and tiamat, arcueid, we hugging his boss, mordred wanting to conquer britain, shirou and saber, ciel and SHIKI now being immortal as fuck, etc.
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>>4665346
i'm still trying for the Rin romance personally, just because its an actual challenge to get on her good side
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>make mordred the king of england
>morgan immediately teleports over to fuck with us
We really are Merlin 2.0, aren't we?
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>>4665359
the womanizing, the egomania, the clairvoyance, the fact that we like making people stronger, the being an eldritch abomination, yeah we're Merlin
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Missed the last few votes due to covid coma, but holy shit guys. We literally cannot avoid making more problems for ourselves. A plus I voted for this.
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You... You'll let Mordred handle this. You have faith in her now, the confidence boost she's gained from actually being recognized as king not just by Caliburn, but by Saber as well should mean that the manipulations of her mother shouldn't have as much of an effect! You take a step back, causing Mordred to turn to you, where you give her a reassuring nod, telling her that you have faith in being able to handle this situation.

Mordred takes a deep breath before she responds. "...Mother. You... Will not be ruling my future kingdom at my side." It clearly brings her great pain to say those words.

"What was that, Mordred?" Morgan tilts her head slightly, almost as if she didn't hear or simply couldn't understand the words she was hearing.

Mordred points her blade at her mother, the shining silver of Caliburn Camlann gleaning in the dim light of the room. "It was you. It was you who orchestrated the downfall of Camelot. Was being the ruler really that important for you?" Mordred's eyes are fixed on Morgan now.

"Really, Mordred? You're going to admonish me for having the same wish as you. I might've orchestrated things, true, but it was you who was the one who actually destroyed your Father's kingdom, and it was your hand that put an end to your father's life." There's a smile on Morgan's face as she reminds Mordred that she's just as guilty as she is.

"My hand?! It was an enchantment you placed upon my body! To force my corpse to attack!" Mordred gives an angry rebuttal to Morgan's words. Mordred never wanted anything more than for Arturia to be happy.

"Yes Mordred, but it was still your hand." Morgan frowns at her child through her veil. "What is the rebellious streak, Mordred? I thought you knew better than to defy your mother." Morgan's voice turns threatening. Is she going to try to scare Mordred into giving her what she wants? To threaten her? That might've worked on her before but not now.

"I'm the King of Britain. Caliburn showed me just what that means. Besides, I have an advisor already, and he's been far more successful at actually giving me advice and carrying out my wishes than I imagine you ever would be." Mordred takes another pause as she takes another deep breath, trying to keep her emotions in check. "You... You raised me as nothing but a weapon to kill my father!" Mordred's voice turns icy cold as she has a realization. "My... lifespan. Even if I had become the King of Britain... I would've died about a year afterwards anyway! You... You were playing me all along! To put me on the throne so you could simply usurp the throne if I managed to claim it!" That's... actually a horrible realization for somebody to have. You feel terrible for Mordred right now.
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Morgan sighs, before she turns away from Mordred, her back to the blade being used to threaten her, if Mordred wanted to do so, she could run Morgan through right now. "Yes. Back then... I was young, and... angry. I mistreated you, I used you as nothing more than a tool in my wish for revenge against my sister. But... It has been over a thousand years. All this time, I have been preparing for the return of your Father, for the return of Arthur. Yet... despite my efforts, the soul of King Arthur eluded me. Even when I traveled to Avalon, I was unable to find it. All I ever wanted was for Camelot to prosper." Morgan seems to be trying a completely different approach now.

"That's a lie." Morgan's words don't reach Mordred. "I don't know just what you got up to after I died, but you never wanted what was best for Camelot! You just wanted to be the ruler!" Her words are harsh, and probably true. Morgan might've changed somewhat after Arturia's death, but back when Camelot still existed, she was very much a hostile presence.

"Is it so wrong to want to be the ruler when you're the rightful heir to the throne? I was rejected... rejected in favor of the creation of a half-demon!" Morgan turns around and tears her face veil away to let everyone clearly look upon her face. "Usurped by a younger sister with my face, pretending to be a man!" Mordred flinches backwards. "The pain you felt at not being recognized as the heir is but a fragment of the pain I suffered from being passed over entirely! You ungrateful little-!"

"Shut up!" Mordred interrupts her mother. "If you had wanted to be the ruler of Britain, then you had more than enough of a chance to draw Caliburn yourself! Unless..." Mordred frowns as she looks at the blade. "Unless the Sword of Selection didn't choose you, Mother." Morgan shuts up very quickly. "You did, didn't you? You tried to pull it out and were rejected." Almost all of the wind is taken out of Morgan's sails as Mordred manages to discern the true reason for Morgan's loathing of Arturia.

Morgan simply remains silent for a moment before she finally speaks again. "So you really have no need for me? I have waited for centuries for this moment, and to think that I would be greeted by a rejection from my own child." You actually kind of feel bad for Morgan after that. Should you really let this continue? It's clear that Morgan is no match for Mordred when it comes to a battle of words, but Mordred doesn't seem all that interested in the aid of her mother, and seems to mostly be using this as an opportunity to air her grievances to her mother.

>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine.
>Morgan is sufficiently distracted, now would be an excellent opportunity to have Sakura bind her!
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
>Write-in...
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>>4665372
welp
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>>4665372
>>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
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>>4665377
i fear her backstabbing us
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>>4665372
>>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
Morgan isn't the black hearted villain she pretends to be. If she was, she would have just destroyed Arthur's legacy instead of creating Add to protect Rhongobongo and then placing Sir Kay there as guard.
She has the potential to be heroic, just not as king and the problem was she became SO FOCUSED on being king that she forgot how fucking awesome she is.
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>>4665380
command seals, Medea when we get her back, the fact that there's a lot of people that can insta kill her
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>>4665372
>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine.
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>>4665372
>give her a chance to redeem herself

As >>4665381 said she put a lot of effort into trying to bring her sister back properly. And all of that effort happened after the death of her family.
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
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>>4665372

>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine.

Want to see where this goes and not really interested in a happy end for Morgan.
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So I just remembered that Kirei and Ciel had a Servant with them when we bumped into them at Rin`s mansion.
It is either that one Archer who tried to kill us during our first meeting with Bazett or missing Assassin.
The latter would make sense since Ciel wanted to talk about "War and other Overseer" and specificaly gave us that shroud which allows to avoid observation.
>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
She either snaps or will try to do amends.
And we do need to show Mordred importance of diplomatic approach.
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>>4665372
fine >>4665381 +1 this.
Morgan is lucky she is cute.
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
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>>4665392
so would it be Kirei's servant then? Ciel is on our side and wouldn't want us to get hurt
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>>4665372
>>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine.
It is not our place to forgive or plead Morgan's case, Mordred has to make this first big decision as a King. This won't be the only time when Mordred has to make a choice and face the consequences good or bad.
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>>4665372
>>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine.
Trusting Mordred has worked so far. It's funny how Sakura has been in every scene with Mordred developments, Tiamat better appreciate the show we are giving her.
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>>4665402
Ciel has only been on your side for about an hour and a half now.
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>>4665372
>Let Mordred keep talking, she's doing fine
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30 minute call.
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Remind me again, what is the most violent a rejection from Caliburn can get? Does it burn the hand?
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
Medea is gonna love it when she sees we added added another witch to the team in her absence.
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>>4665372
I'd vote for this king.

And it would probably be sensible, seeing as she subverted the summoning, to neutralize her so she can't create problems in the future.

On the other hand... perhaps there is still hope for this woman?

>interrupt the conversation *gently*, suggesting giving Morgan chance to redeem herself.

This is going to be like herding cats, especially when she realizes Saber is enjoying a happy ending right now. Resolving her baggage will be a herculean task. hopefully Avenger will help.
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
We're an advisor for a stunted child who never experienced true parental affection before. She did well to stand up for herself, but QM dropped hints that she's just using Morgan as a punching bag right now. Let's step in and make some use of this shitshow. Maybe this could become a big turning moment for this cursed family, down the line? I'm remaining hopeful.
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself
what could we even offer her to do while keeping her on a short leash?
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>>4665443
Deal with a root connected magic user
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>>4665443
we don't kill her, very hard.
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>>4665443
Being Mordred's mommy now that she has her daddy (mommy)
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
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if morgan 99/100 affections us within 3 threads im dropping this fucking quest
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She will 99/100 Saber
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>>4665485
>3
Best I can do is 1
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>>4665485
M8, i just hope she fucks things up for us in a way no Tiger Dojo-rewind can fix. It's Morgan. And it would be awesome.
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>>4665515
At least Arturia is safe with Shirou. No amount of fae fuckery can approach the endless reservoir of cold iron the sword man has at his disposal.
And Mordred looks fine too.

Only one who will need to tread carefully is us.
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Called?
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>>4665523
Yes.
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>>4665372
>Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself.
Yeah if we let this go on much further we might just push Morgan into full villain territory.
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>>4665485
I'm expecting her to try and seduce Shirou just to piss off Artoria, honestly.
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>>4665536
Yeah, she's made good points but it's a bad idea to let her harp on it if we want Morgan to be on speaking terms.
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>>4665539

I'm doing my best to avoid overconfidence in all things but in this case I'd like to see her try.
Boy am I glad Shinji went through with Mordred's plan now even more than before.
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>>4665539
>morgan cosplays as arturia to stealthily seduce shirou, gets found out cause she a bitch
I'd love to see that
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>>4665549
>>4665539
damn thats hot if she makes a threesome happen.
he can make both dress on the same clothes just for some twin fantasy shit if he wants.
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>>4665549
So far, riding the Mordred train has probably been our greatest success to date.
Even more so when you consider that getting good endings for people is what we set out to do.
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One person we should look out for I guess would be... Gray. Wouldn't want her to get caught in Morgan's shenanigans. Or at least suffer for it...
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>>4665372
Interrupt the conversation and offer Morgan a chance to redeem herself
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>>4665575
i wish waver was with us, dude is really clever.
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>>4665581
I wouldn't want to drag him into this.
Just hearing about it is going to worry him enough.
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>>4665539
at that point I would personally vote to let artoria, mordred, and anyone else who wanted to, have a stab at her.
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You can't just allow this to keep going on. For as much as this catharsis might be good for Mordred, if Morgan does truly want to amend her ways and get some form of redemption for her past actions, then you're going to have to do more than just let Mordred call her out on them. "Mordred, would you mind if I said a few words?"

"Go ahead, advisor." Morgan's eyes widen as Mordred calls you by your title, then they narrow as she looks upon you with a scrutinizing gaze, as if trying to discern your weaknesses by merely looking at you. You actually don't know whether or not she can do that, you hope she can't but there's definitely a set of Mystic Eyes or Pure Eyes that allows you to discern the weaknesses of whatever you're looking at, though you have no idea if Morgan would have a set of eyes like that.

"Thank you, Mordred." You take a step forward. "Morgan le Fay. Do you seek redemption for your past actions? Truly? I am well aware of your intent to bring King Arthur back among the living, your dagger Erosion was going to be used to pluck the soul from the body of a girl born to serve as King Arthur's host. You sealed Rhongomyniad within the Mystic Code Add in order to prevent it from losing it's mystery, and you even created... or at least used the Logos React to create a perfect copy of the mind of Arturia Pendragon, in order to have that copy inhabit the body of that very girl." It's an effective if exceptionally cruel method to create something that could be called "King Arthur" but at it's core it would be a copy created through cruel and evil means, of human sacrifice. Something like that could never truly bear the name of "King Arthur". It could never be anything more than a wraith born of evil.

Morgan flinches back this time, your knowledge of her plans clearly not something she was expecting. "How do you know abo-" You cut her off.

"I know a lot of things, like why Arturia was impossible to resurrect through any other means." You raise your hand and flick it dismissively "Did you truly envy your sister? For being the one to take command of a country that was doomed through the wishes of none other than the will of mankind itself? Were you really so jealous of not being the one to bear that curse? Arturia, she knew, yet she still forced herself to be king." Morgan has a frown on her face now. "It was Alaya. Alaya was why you could never find any trace of your sister's soul." You keep your expression neutral.

"Alaya...? The will of mankind?" Morgan echoes your words, apparently not expecting a boy who she until this point she had probably dismissed as some irrelevant modern day magus to know so much more than he ought to.

"Arturia as she lay dying, she had a wish. A stupid, foolish, selfish wish made out of desperation. Do you want to know what the wish that your sister had as she lay dying was?"
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Morgan is silent for almost a minute. "Tell me." She sounds resigned as she finally requests you to actually reveal the truth of Arturia's wish to her. It's something that nobody except Saber should know. Not unless they were either closer to Saber than anybody else... or were somehow to be told of it by Alaya herself. Well, you know through a completely different means, but nobody would ever guess that.

"She wished that... somebody else would be allowed to take her place. She no longer wanted to exist. She was willing to erase her current self from history in order to change the fate of the girl she once was. Of course, that's not all though, in doing so, she would've condemned herself to an eternity of suffering as one of Alaya's Counter Guardians, doing nothing but kill for the sake of humanity. For the rest of time, her existence would be reduced to nothing but a tool for the will of mankind to use to destroy that which might threaten it." Both Mordred and Morgan are looking at you with wide eyes, clearly neither of them were expecting such a wish. "As a result of that, she's been summoned to this period of time, in order to seek a means to erase herself."

"Sister..." Morgan sounds actually kind of upset as you relay to her the truth behind Arturia's last wish. Mordred has a sad smile on her face. Possibly from the realization that her own wish was quite literally the same as Arturia's but inverted. She had been willing to take on Arturia's burden of kingship, whereas Arturia wanted nothing more than to give it away.

"But, Morgan. If you truly want to redeem yourself, then it's a possibility. Your daughter is here in front of you, alive. And... so is Arturia, she just got engaged, so she's very happy right now, and I don't want you showing up to ruin her mood." You warn the witch. The last thing Saber needs on the night of her engagement is Morgan to show up.

"I beg your pardon?" Morgan clearly wasn't expecting that news. She really just came along without any actual knowledge of what was going on, didn't she? What exactly was her plan? Did her scheme really end at showing up to offer to aid Mordred? Or maybe she just felt pressured to act as a result of the opportunity presenting itself to her?

You're about to answer, but Mordred decides to do so for you, "Oh yeah, Mother... Uh... Other Mother? Mother Two?" Mordred suddenly sounds confused as to just how she's supposed to refer to Arturia now that she has both of her parents present. "I helped make it so... Arturia...?" She still clearly doesn't know just how she's supposed to refer to her now, this family is a complete mess. "I helped it so she got engaged to this boy she really liked!" Mordred has a smile on her face as she recalls the memory, and Morgan's baffled face is almost entirely unreadable.
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"That's... certainly something I hadn't expected to hear." Morgan doesn't even seem to know what to make of the news of her sister's engagement. Not that you can blame her for it.

"Regardless of everything else. Morgan. Are you willing to try to make amends for what you've done? Do you truly seek redemption for your actions? The actions you took after the death of your sister are... well-intentioned, but misguided." You really can't call them anything else. You don't know just what sort of copy of King Arthur that Gray might've ended up turning into, but it wouldn't have been Morgan's sister, and would be more likely to end up as something more like the Goddess Rhongomyniad than she would the true King Arthur.

"I... am." Morgan hesitates, clearly not expecting to be offered a chance of redemption. Especially not from somebody she had never once met.

You cross your arms. "Good. Then..."

>"You'll sign a Self-Geas Scroll of my terms." (Write in what you want to include in the scroll.) (You will have Touko create it upon your return)
>"Promise me."
>"You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgiveness."
>"Prove it."
>Write-in...
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>>4665645
You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgiveness."
>"Prove it."
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>>4665645
>>"Promise me."
I think making her sign a geas is a bad call. Morgan might be evil and bipolar but she does have some sense of honor, she's still a lady
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>>4665645
>"You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgiveness."

Self geass seems too coercive and we aren't really the wronged party. If anons want to trust we should start with honesty.
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>>4665645
>>"Promise me."
>also "You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgiveness."
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>>4665645
>"You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgivenes
This one best addresses the issues at hand.
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>>4665645

>"Be there for Mordred, and support her. Be the mother she deserves, and make up the misery they've endured to her and Arturia."

Geas would make it too obvious we don't trust her, she'd chafe against it and rules lawyer around it. It would obliterate any goodwill she may be feeling now.
Promising to us doesn't seem like impactful enough for her to honor as for all our spooky knowledge we're still a stranger to her.
Begging for forgiveness may be a humbling experience but with risk she'll consider her debt paid by saying sorry.

I think of the options given "Prove it" has best chance at success...
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looking up Morgan's abilities, apparently she's as strong as Merlin and can do some body switching shenanigan's, she probably doesn't have as much utility as Medea but she's still strong as shit
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You know if somebody told me when I started this quest that I'd be writing King Mordred Pendragon confronting Morgan le Fay on the night of Shirou and Arturia's engagement, I'd have been very confused.
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>>4665721
could always be more bizarre or confusing with the nasuverse
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>>4665721
this quest slowly morphed into Mordred's quest
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>>4665729
little did we know we were all apart of Mordred's harem.
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>>4665690
Supporting, seems like a solid argument.
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>>4665721
Thats the beauty of improvised and flexible writing and not strictly following a story outline. After all, if Fate stayed the way it was as merely an otome, I'd think that Fate would only have a small cult following like Tsukihime or maybe it might be even less popular. I'm sure your original outline or idea of the story was drastically different than what we have now.
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>>4665729
You could say Mordred successfully usurped it.

Ah, sorry, couldn’t help myself.
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>>4665721
rigid storytelling is shit, and quests with QMs who aren't flexible with the story and progression are doomed to lose players and stew in a crap quest with no real way forward. I'm glad you included such an antagonist into the potential summons so that we don't just end up with no new developements.
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>>4665645
Supporting this >>4665690
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>>4665645
Supporting >>4665690.
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This was the last update for the night.
Did you enjoy the developments?
Are you happy with the summoned Servant?
Are you looking forward to any more potential Servant summoning opportunities in the future?
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>>4665771
I'm hoping for Perseus to show up personally just so we have an opportunity to hangout with Medusa
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>>4665771
I love Circe but the cast is already so bloated with mentally ill women pls don't
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>>4665645


agreeing with this >>4665690
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>>4665771
>Are you looking forward to any more potential Servant summoning opportunities in the future.
HAH, I KNEW IT! The second Saber slot is unfilled therefore we can still summon a Saber! Proto, Proto, Proto!
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>>4665779
he might show up by himself, he's multiverse traveling to kill Beast 666
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>>4665772
>Perseus
Are you sure anon, he's sweet to Ayaka but towards us...
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>>4665771
It's been a ride as always.
I'm really happy my roll took things in such an unexpected direction.
Rolling Servants is fun but I worry about collecting too many characters; part of the reason I was so happy with getting Morgan is that I knew you planned to introduce her later.
>>4665779
I doubt it because Manaka already has a plan to summon/create him.
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>>4665771
>>4665773
If we're getting a chance later, Kintoki would be a good option

>is a chad
>is a bro
>has a sick bike
>can handle Ibaraki and Shuten's shenanigans
>fame boost major power up
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>>4665785
>Manaka already has a plan to summon/create him.
It wouldn't REALLY be him though...
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>>4665787
Also has a mecha
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>>4665787
Also, his wish is actually to bring Shuten back to life as he regrets killing her the way he did so he also gets what he wanted
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>>4665771
yes, yes (for the developements), and yes.
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>>4665789
>the Manakas come up with a way to get ProtoArthur in this timeline
>we send in Morgan to tactically NTR him away from them
Absolutely devilish
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>>4665779
Don't you have enough Sabers yet?
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>>4665787
we need an absolute bro as a servant since Cu and EMIYA are out of commission for now
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>>4665797
i wanna collect all of them, yes that includes Saber Alter
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>>4665645
change my vote for this >>4665690
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>>4665797
>Don't you have enough Sabers yet?
Never! Medea will thank us too!
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>>4665797
>Don't you have enough Sabers yet?
Never, Medea will thank us too!
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>>4665812
>>4665815
Okay wow, I don't know why mods double posted me. That has never happened before.
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>>4665797
Is there a prize for collecting every Saberface?
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>>4665823
A free Excaliblast.
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>>4665825
Just one, when we get get several out of a single Saber?
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>>4665830
Ok fine.
You get a complimentary Saberlion instead.
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>>4665836
Neat, that's definitely worth hijacking the thread with an army of samefags for.
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>>4665721
Give us another month and we'll be having a surf battle with Zeltretch.

I dont need to tell you who will supply the board.
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So if summoning Morgan Le Fay is possible (for Mordred) and we are essentially having a Pendragon family reunion. Fuck it I may as well ask. Is it AT ALL possible to summon Mysterious Heroine X? Fucking anything sounds possible at this rate.
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>>4665885
Probably not, isn't she from a different timeline?
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>>4665796
you bastard, that's TACTICAL NTR
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>>4665885
I feel like X would be a nat 1 on an Artoria catalyst as she is the enemy of all saberfaces.
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>>4665890
Honestly I kinda think thats only going to be a restriction on us for so long. Sky is not the limit.
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>>4665900
It's crazy to think that for all the Truth shenanigans we pulled today our reality marble isn't even finished yet.
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>>4665900
well the servant-verse is a clusterfuck with a very high power level on average.
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>>4665905
Normally that would be priority one but we have found so, so many distractions.
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>>4665934
How exactly are we supposed to work on our reality marble?
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>>4665946
we just, try things with our power until it clicks
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>>4665934
I don't think anyone predicted that the Tsukihime side route would involve a full blown expansion of Athurian legend, but here we are.
It's pretty much mandatory for grail wars to be a clusterfuck, but the sheer quantity of things at play here is a bit staggering.
>>4665946
We just kind of did it earlier and got two new lines for our trouble, so we could probably finish it if we had the time.
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>>4665645
>"You'll beg Mordred and Arturia for their forgiveness."
>"Prove it."

>>4665771
Give Perseus, I wanted the dude since the beginning of this quest. But Richard would also be cool.

>>4665797
It's impossible to have enough Sabers
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>>4666010
Perseus and Richard could tag in as our pseudo assassin/recon/intel guy which we're really lacking in

High speed and both have experience with stealth, and could also make good use of the Shroud we have. I'd say Richard has the edge though as he Richard comes with a free set of extra shadow servants and his Talented in Every Field skill will let him take on whatever role we need. Also he's fast as fuck and only gets faster as the fight progresses and would have some good interactions with all the Arthurian servants floating around.
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>>4665645
Supporting >>4665690
>>4665771
Yes.
Yes.
Yes, I would love to collect more insane women who has unhealthy obsession with Shinji and are related to story in some way. Like Raiko. Or have Hassan in this War before it is over. Hassans are always cool. And we could use one with great chemistry with the rest of the crew.
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>>4665771
The developments have been interesting and despite my misgivings about the estrogen overload that is our party, Morgan is an interesting character to have around given the circumstances.
That said, the idea of summoning even MORE servants is a prospect that got me a bit worried.
We already struggle with giving our current cast of characters the time they deserve and this isn't even our whole party. This most recent vote also doesn't make me feel comfy about the player base's level of self-control.
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>>4666010
>I wanted the dude since the beginning of this quest
I am still waiting for old man Li Shuwen.
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>>4665690
Support
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>>4666024
serenity is cute and we could maybe find a way so she could touch people without they dying.
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>>4666058
It would be possible.
We already made a divine liquor that turned shuten into a goddess so at that point, anything should be.
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>>4666084

Mystic codes of handhold killing gloves.
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>>4665771
Really don’t want to jinx it, but yes.
>spoiler
On one hand I’d be happy to see the character interactions.
On the other hand I’m worried about character bloat overwhelming you, or worse, make you come up with ways to purge the characters to make room for new ones.
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Massive overload of mentally unstable women already fellas. Remember there's a whole cast of characters still in stasis behind the Manaka doors before we even touch on WhatIs' Mooncell iteration and Case Files stuff. We also haven't even finished the pokedex for this war's participants.

Juggling a huge cast is tough without neglecting things, it's why most grail wars besides Narita's stuff have people being killed off regularly before new characters arrive or explored more thoroughly.
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>>4666102
I'm more than aware of how big the cast is already and that's part of why I appreciate whatis's ability to write it all so well.
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>>4666102
Well the good thing is that one way to remove a character from action is to ship them off on honeymoon or into retirement into their happily until they died.

Also another reason to take care not to have the girls too focused on MC, I suppose, so they can be happy without being near us.
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>>4666109
He's doing well so far but cumbrains went straight for the natural 1 on a d100 mystery box immediately when presented the chance
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>>4665690
+1
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>>4665690

I support this. Good will goes a long way.
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>>4666114
I would too.
also is it REALLY cumbrain if we're just interested in that mystery box? Random chance is fun, and it works well for quests to include the unexpected.
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Gentlemen, consider: Shirou marrying Morgan, knocking both her and Saber up, and having a happy family life with both of them (plus Illya and Kerry if/once he returns)
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>>4665771
WhatIs, here's an idea for you. It's one perhaps TOO BASED for you and this quest, but I'm posting it anyway

Avenger Anonymous
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>>4665645
backing >>4665690
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>>4666202
I want Kerry to come back just to see his reaction to Shirou getting married with Saber.
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Best girl ranks
Alaya>Mordred=Betty=Satsuki>Manaka=Arc=Medea>Illya=Sakura>Touko>Aoko>Luvia>Rin>Shuten>Miyako>Miho>Saber>Morgan>Wukong>Taiga>Maids>Akiha>Tohno Maids

Look at the fucking size of this list!
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>>4666216
Fuck I forgot Ciel and Bazett
And Rider.
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>>4666216
>>4666217
...and Altrouge.
QM there are too many waifus.
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>>4666216
Arc/Touko/Medea > Mordred. The rest isn't important.
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>>4666219
Fight me
Mordred is best girl.
Alaya only ranks higher due to being all the girls.
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>>4666221
I don't want to waifu Mordred, but I'd love to support her as tge father figure she always wanted.
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>>4666216
There's also Monika, Medusa, Gray, Ibaraki...

Betty should not be a contender, she's for headpats only.
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>>4666224
Christ what a list.
We still need to figure out how to power up Illya.
I think we should give her the dragon blood when we get the chance. Some for us some for her.
Everyone else has been powered up
Shirou has Avalon and a full UBW
Saber has Avalon
Sakura has all her shit
Rin has the jewel sword and Ruby
Mordred is king
SHIKI is immortal
So is Ciel
Shiki is busted now.

We need to powerup more people.
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>>4666236
Well unless we find some cooperative divine spirit I think we should most importantly learn or figure out more appropriate uses for our own power if we want to get past the beastly twins. Lugh saw right through the Shroud Ciel lent us so that one is clearly not going to cut it if we want to take a stealth approach. That means that to penetrate the timespace fuckery we'll need to find a way to create and maintain some area of effect zone of truth, either to protect our advance from getting snatched or disguise us.

Barring that we could go in with bracelet and hope we can manage to grab our people while Manakas and Gil are going at it but without clearer picture of what they can do and what we can do about it it will be a russian roulette.

I'm hoping we learn more of what's wrong with the grail system from Ciel on our early morning randez vous.

Alternatively if we meet Alaya again we could ask her if she knows what's holding Archer.

And let's hope Altrouge was earnest in pursuing some other business, as ominous as that is, that we don't need to worry about her right now, although Touko may want to go after Rizo anyway.
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>>4666249
And Amethyst. We really need to take a look at it and see what extent of its abilities are. It could allow us to jump in, grab our allies and jump out again, but we're still going to need to be able to protect ourselves in the interim while also breaking our guys out.
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>>4666216
For me best girl is Arcueid with a strong lead.
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>>4666249
>Lugh saw through the Shroud
I think presence concealment doesn't work against Lugh as a result of him being a powerful nature spirit.
Like, isn't EX rank described as being one with the world itself?
Wouldn't something like Lugh see straight past that shit?
>Cooperative Divine Spirit
A certain fox wife might help with this.
We just need to agree to marry her but also other people too if we want.
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>>4666256
>A certain fox wife might help with this.
Oh yes. Political marriage but it is Tamamo instead of fat ugly old man.
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>>4666249
Assuming Morgan, like Merlin used her Independent Manifestation skill (which Merlin has at rank A) to summon herself in, she can help quite a bit. It gives resistance to anything time related and she's an absurdly good mage.
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>>4666259
She mentioned that she used body of another summoned Servant. She could be heavily nerfed right now if host body is bad.
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>>4666257
I'd take that political marriage.
Though let's not agree to proposals until we can propose to all the girls at once.
We need to save Medea to marry her first.
>>4666259
I don't know if her independent manifestation is Merlin level. We'll need to wait for her character sheet, but she doesn't seem as if she can move as freely as Memelin. She had to use her connection to Mordred to summon herself after all.
Also Manaka doesn't use time bullshit.
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>>4666262
Hopefully she still retained some Hero Maker or Item Construction type of skill to not be complete dogshit
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>>4666256
Well Manakas have a lot of bounded fields on their territory Medea was unable to decipher, would it be a stretch to suspect they are as in touch with their territory as Lugh is with regular world? Relying on the shroud alone seems like a hazard.
Another thing is that the fields seem to block transference of Servants when their command spells are used but don't seem to sever the link itself. If we could trace it maybe we could get a handle on how to deal with them?

>Tamamo
yeah that might be an opportunity on top of being a problem already. Either way we're going to have to deal with her before she sprouts extra tails.
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>>4666263
It might be about C rank? Kiara needs people wishing for salvation and she's B,「 」Shiki has C. C rank is high enough to offer temporal protection, E only offers death and charm resist based on the nerfed version summer Kiara has.
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>>4666264
Hero Creation is only useful if we want Morgan to give birth to another Mordred.
It's not a buff skill.
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>>4666271
Merlin uses it as a direct buff to lolidusa in the Babylonia anime though
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>>4666272
I hate FGO.
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It occurs to me if the strain from Truth alterations come from World's counteraction against meddling, shouldn't we be able to manifest with relative ease, or at least economically enough to sustain throughout the encounter, an area that breaks down unnatural anomalies? Giving the World an inroad to break down Manaka's bounded fields, or whatever effects she has on them, for us?

Similarly as the Truth sword went through Touko's impossible demon effortlessly.
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>>4666277
Are you sure it is not her actual goal? Amassing critical amount of Truth and dumping in on the world in hope it collapses like a house of cards.
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>>4666278
I'd guess her plan involves our ability to permanently make alterations to the Root.
Maybe she's got some fucky plan to try to absorb our power/us to become omnipotent.
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>>4666283
I think it is funny that if she was as insigthful about us as she was trying to show us she could have just walked to us and ask for help. Some teary eyes and Shinji goes out of his way to influence Root or something similar.
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>>4666283
I don't think she wants to absorb us, but there's definitely something she thinks we can do to bring Arthur over.
Something to consider is that her plan doesn't need to be feasible, one of the Manakas doesn't seem very optimistic about their plan, so it could be something which doesn't make sense or has a very low chance of working.
>>4666288
It's not like we'd turn our nose up at her just for being an insane mass-murderer.
Hell, I don't think Shinji has much ill will towards anyone that hasn't tortured someone he cares about.
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>>4666291
I don't think one of the Manaka cares at all.
If I had to guess I'd say one is still the doll-like Manaka and comes from our timeline and the other is Arthur obsessive Proto Manaka.
Ayaka should exist somewhere though.
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>>4666291
It could be something weird and insane like reshuffling world into state of Fate/Prototype to try do over.
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>>4666293
Oh shit.
When we get Medea back we need to use her to find Ayaka so we can remove her glasses and make Gil fall for her.
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>>4666294
I don't think that's necessary in this timeline, which is part of the reason she came here.
>>4666296
That would probably work but it would also be our most flamboyant use of metaknowlege to date.
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>>4666300
I think one time during Dojo visit Taiga mentioned that Shirou also visits her.
So if we were to look for Ayaka we might run into Player Ayaka due to extremely weird timeline. Might not be the safest thing to do.
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>>4666304
Two Eroge Heroes
One Galge Hero
One Otome Heroine

None could stop them.
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>>4666320
Good morning writemonkey.
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>>4666320
Hello, I would like to order one evil witch.
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>>4666320
Mornin
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>>4666345
Your order couldn't be completed due to magical interference. We're sorry for the inconvenience.

-Manakas
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Called?
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>>4666429
Yeah.
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"...Be there for Mordred and support her." You begin talking, you really hope that this is going to work... "Be the mother that she deserves. Make up for the misery that your actions have forced her and your sister to endure." It's not exactly a contract that can't be breached, nor is it even a true promise. But if Morgan accepts to do this, then you'll know whether or not she has changed... or well, at least whether or not she would be willing to change for the sake of her family.

"...Fine. I'll... I'll try to do better by Mordred, if she'll allow me to." She pauses again. "Of course... and by my sister as well, though... If she is truly here, I do have my doubts that she will accept things that way." Well, that's probably right. You don't really know what Arturia's actual thoughts are in regards to her sister, but they really can't be favorable after what Morgan plotted. She was the one who was behind the destruction of Camelot, after all. Had Mordred not been focused on becoming king, then Lancelot's rampage would only have been a tragedy, and would not have led to the complete collapse of the nation.

"But how can I trust you to keep your word, Mother?" Mordred cuts in. She doesn't seem to be acting as hostile to Morgan now, it seems that Mordred does still have some affection for her mother. "How can anybody trust you to keep your word?"

"Would I really lie about something like this, Mordred? You knew me all of your life, I raised you. Can you really not tell whether or not I'm telling the truth about something like this? I've had a millennium to regret the actions that caused the downfall of Camelot. I won't make the same mistakes if you give me a second chance." Morgan seems to almost be pleading now, something that really doesn't fit with your mental image of the woman. Perhaps the Morgan of the times of Camelot would've been worse, but this woman as she is now just seems to be full of sadness. You're glad that you didn't go for attacking Morgan, this woman would've made a terrible enemy, especially seeing as you're having quite a lot of success in just talking to her with Mordred.

You turn to Mordred. "It's your choice, Mordred. You are the king, and this woman... well she's your mother. It's not my place as an advisor to decide just what will happen with her. Do you trust her? Or do you at least trust her enough to not be malicious towards you and your goals?" Honestly, you don't know if you can trust Morgan yourself, while it is highly likely that she regrets the actions she took in the past that caused the fall of Britain, you don't know if she can really be trusted not to relapse into that behavior. After all, she didn't seem to be very apologetic until after she had been denied.
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"Mother." Mordred says calmly. "Camelot was doomed regardless of what you did. If Shinji is correct in that the fall of the country was a result of the will of mankind, then nothing you nor the king could've done would've been able to prevent or cause it. It was always going to happen in some way." Well, unless Britain were to become disconnected from the will of mankind, but that would've been a nightmare for an entirely different reason, you imagine. "Therefore... I cannot hold you entirely responsible for the destruction of Camelot, though it was your magic that killed the king, so you will have to beg her for forgiveness yourself."

Morgan looks miserable at the reminder. Seems like she really does regret being the one to kill Arthur. To use the corpse of her dead child as a puppet to make one last lethal strike against her sister was probably her greatest crime of all. It's just such a foul act to not only use what was effectively necromancy on your own son, but to use it in order to kill your sister. In fact, between Gawain, Gaheris, Gareth, Agravain, Mordred and Arthur... Isn't Morgan sort of indirectly responsible for killing every single one of her blood relatives? Lancelot may have been responsible for the deaths of a few of them, but without Morgan destabilizing the country, who knows if that particular episode would've ended up occurring? That... might have been playing on her mind.

"But!" Mordred continues. "I will trust my advisor's knowledge in this matter. I will allow you to serve as my court magician, though you will have no official authority as would normally be provided by the role. You will offer advice only when it is requested. You will not seek to talk with others without either the express permission of myself or my advisor." Mordred suddenly raises her left hand, and the command spells begin to flare with power. She's kidding, right? There's no way that the command spells could enforce such an order, they aren't powerful enough to do that!

However, Mordred doesn't just simply use one of her command spells, and instead, seems to be diverting her incredible reserves of magical energy within her to the command spell itself! The girl starts to give off a tremendous amount of magical energy as she activates her Magic Core, the glow of her command spell continues to increase as she pumps magical energy within it! You take a step backwards as the glow intensifies, the command spell that Mordred is about to use... it's an order of magnitude more powerful than a normal command spell!
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The command spell finally activates, and Morgan doesn't even make an attempt to resist it. Even if she otherwise would've been able to ignore such a command due to the specifications of the order, with that much magical energy backing it up, you strongly doubt that anyone would be able to resist it. It's a spell of command made using the near-unlimited magical energy Mordred is capable of putting out with her draconic core. "Now, how are you feeling, Mother?" All things considered, Mordred's commands are harsh... but necessary. You briefly consider whether you would be able to duplicate what Mordred did there with your own magical energy but quickly dismiss the thought. After all, if a single command spell is enough to recover most of your energy, then that would mean that you would have to use most of your magical energy to even make one twice as powerful as it should otherwise be. If anything, this really just shows you the different plane of existence that Mordred is on compared to you thanks to that Magic Core of hers. As a Servant, such a thing would be effectively useless as Servants are generally incapable of creating their own Magical Energy from their body as a result of their existence. It might be of some aid when it comes to the efficiency of the magical energy expenditure of a Servant, but not much other than that.

"Disappointed that you felt you had to use such an unbreakable command on me, but otherwise fine. This spell of command... Whoever made it was a genius in their own right! Though you did have to overcharge it, so it does have some limitations... I wasn't expecting to be so utterly caught off guard by the magecraft of this era..." You really wish that Morgan would stop complimenting Zouken's magical abilities, and by the look on her face, so does Sakura.

"Yes, the command spells are very impressive, an invention of the Makiri, actually." You decide that you might as well take the credit for the Command Spells as you explain things in a sarcastic voice. Zolgen Makiri isn't Zouken Matou, after all. One was an idealist who truly wished to save humanity, and the other was a bitter old man clinging to a wish he didn't even remember and spitefully living on despite that. Paracelsus would never have even considered the notion of being Zolgen's friend if it were any other way. Paracelsus, as far as magi go, was practically a saint. "Now then..."

>"Morgan, if you're going to be aiding Mordred, why don't you tell us just what you can do?"
>"Shall we go and see what the others have gotten up to downstairs?"
>"Shall we head home? I doubt there's anything else here. Lugh or Arcueid would've probably let us know if there was."
>Ask Morgan some other question.
>Write-in...
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wait I just thought of something, considering that Morgan was able to create Mordred, shouldn't she be key for Medea to be able to summon the dragon?
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>>4666550
>"Morgan, if you're going to be aiding Mordred, why don't you tell us just what you can do?"
Time to put more spoilers in the status page.
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>>4666550
>Ask about Morgan’s abilities in her Servant body
>Then see what the other teams have found
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>>4666550
>>Ask about Morgan’s abilities in her Servant body
>>Then see what the other teams have found
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>>4666577
Support
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>>4666550
>"Morgan, if you're going to be aiding Mordred, why don't you tell us just what you can do?"
>"Shall we go and see what the others have gotten up to downstairs?"
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>>4666550
>>4666577
Support
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>>4666550
>>4666577
+1
Also, mordred is op.
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Sorry was busy shopping for groceries.
Calling in twenty minutes, everyone.

>>4666576
The current status page isn't the original status page.
The original page has been somewhat proofed for spoilers other than Shinji's sheet.
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>>4666651
It hides nothing though, you can still see every name when you open it, it just has warnings next to the spoilers.
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>>4666688
Honestly, that's really the best I can do, if an anon wants to spoil themselves by looking through the sheet, there's not really much I can do.
Besides, it seems that we're making a big fuss over something that hasn't shown itself to be an issue.
I'd imagine that most new readers are savvy enough not to immediately head to the Status Menu if they don't like spoilers.
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>>4666692
Thanks for the consideration at the very least. Spoilers like this effect quests all the time, most just sorta leave future problems to future people.
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Writing now...
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>>4666692
Shinji Status Page had some narrative purpose pre-war since it was useful to check on current progress at that exact time.
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>>4666736
Yeah, when I first raised a concern about the status menu I was thinking about someone checking Shinji's circuits or personal skills during the pre-war period and seeing Blessing of Ayala: B as one of the first things listed.
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Well, you're glad that you managed to have things resolved peacefully, and while you've got simply no idea how Saber is going to react to the arrival of Morgan when she sees her, that's a problem that your future self can deal with, right now you're just glad that you and Mordred together have managed to persuade Morgan to at least pretend to be on your side. Who knows? You aren't entirely convinced that the woman really does intend to change her ways right now, but there's always the chance that she really does wish for redemption. She has had dozens of lifetimes to reflect on her sins, and you don't even really know if she longs for the Throne of Britain anymore. You have no idea what drives this woman anymore.

Well, there is one thing that you suppose might be useful to ask Morgan, now that you're going to be working with each other at least for the time being. Up until her probably inevitable betrayal, you don't have much faith in her not to try something, but it would be nice if you were proven wrong about Morgan, and she really is serious about her wish to make amends to Mordred. "Morgan, if we're going to be working together, can you tell us all just what sort of abilities that you possess in that Servant Body or yours

"Oh? Certainly, I of course had to make a few adjustments to this body when I was summoned, but that's fine. I would've thought that a vessel such as this one would hinder me more, but I seem to more or less have been granted most of my strength. As for what I can do..."

Status Updated!

Morgan spends a few minutes going over her capabilities as a Servant with you and Mordred. Sakura feigns interest, but is clearly just as bored about all this as Betty is, who has half lidded eyes as she looks sleepily at Morgan. Morgan is exceptionally powerful, her potential utility as an ally is through the roof! The fact that she actually revealed the existence of her Independent Manifestation skill to the four of you is something you put in her favor. That skill is really the sort of thing that you should want to keep hidden from pretty much everyone. As far as things go, it's effectively an ultimate trump card. The ability to re-summon herself even should she be destroyed. Not to mention the added resistance to abilities that would otherwise cause instant death, and also her resistance to the manipulation of time.
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You keep your face level as you process the information given to you by Morgan about just what she is capable of, of course you're impressed, she's a truly remarkable Caster, even if her Noble Phantasm is a little lackluster in terms of actually being useful in combat. You can easily see just why Morgan is commonly thought of as the equal to Merlin, though there seems to be a difference in the two of them. Merlin was trapped in Avalon for centuries and his studies in magecraft would've practically ended there, whereas Morgan seems to have actually grown in power in her time spent plotting the resurrection of her sister. You don't want to let Morgan know just how impressed you are, when it comes to natural talent, Morgan has even Medea beaten out, it seems. Though you'd guess that Medea is a more skilled magus than Morgan is. It's a matter of skill vs talent, you suppose, though in both the creation of items and the creation of territory, Morgan is easily the superior. Still, in terms of speed, not many can beat Medea with her High Speed Divine Words.

"Impressive." You finally allow yourself to speak about Morgan's abilities. The Caster smirks in satisfaction at your inability to disguise your thoughts on her abilities. After all, you'd be a liar if you didn't call her abilities impressive. "However, as much as I'd like to keep hearing about just what you're capable of doing, we were sort of in the middle of something here. So, Mordred, Sakura, Betty... Morgan. I think it's about time we checked out what Satsuki, Arcueid and Lugh might've ended up finding."

You end up heading downstairs with the new arrival in tow. Mordred is still keeping a careful eye on her mother, thankfully. With how powerful Morgan is, you really don't want her being able to act without any supervision. If she were to ever become an enemy, with her abilities, she could very quickly become a nightmare to you, a greater potential enemy than even Altrouge!

When you all reach the ground floor once more, you find that the rest of your allies are already waiting for you. They all look fairly bored, obviously their own searches were nowhere near as successful as your own. Though 'success' really depends on your metric for measuring success, so long as Morgan isn't actually planning on stabbing you in the back the moment she gets the opportunity though, you can call this a complete success.

Though as you are about to ask your allies whether they found anything, you see Arcueid's eyes suddenly widen in recognition the moment that she looks at Mordred, and all of a sudden, she a blur of motion! Is she planning on attacking Morgan? What's going on?!

>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
>Just let Arcueid do whatever it is she's doing. She's proven herself to be trustworthy.
>Push Morgan out of the way.
>Write-in...
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>>4666853
>>Push Morgan out of the way.
Arc is strong enough to rip through both of us so this is the only option
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
It worked the last time a nature spirit jumped at an evil girl.
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A little quiet today, huh?
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>>4666853
>Push Morgan out of the way.
I'd rather not take another fatal shot in the same day.
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>>4666853
>Push Morgan out of the way.
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>>4666853
>>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
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>>4666853
>>Just let Arcueid do whatever it is she's doing. She's proven herself to be trustworthy.

Honestly have no clue what’s going on.
Surely though Arcueid could see we’re not hostile to the new person... right?
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
best not touch Morgan lest some automatic defense system from her fae blood spirit us away
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>>4666853
>get in between the two


Also, am I retarded as I can't find Morgan's status on the pastebin
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>>4666853
>Push Morgan out of the way
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>>4666894
That's why I want to interpose ourselves.
If she's actually hostile, she'd stop herself to not hit us, and if she's not attacking then we wouldn't be throwing Morgan on the ground for no reason.
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
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>>4666899
It's at the top.
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!
>"arc-chan, what are you doing?"
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>>4666899
Very bottom.
Make sure its the new character sheets page.
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Calling in thirty.
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>>4666853
>Get in between Arcueid and Morgan before the attack can land!

This.....this isn’t good. Hoo boy, the last thing I expected was for our true ancestor friend to not only recognize Morgan but see her as an enemy. If left unchecked, this could be VERY VERY bad.
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I kind of figured there would be more discussion about Morgan's Status Page
Here's the link if you can't find it for some reason.
>https://pastebin.com/EDybbBYB
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>>4666906

>>4666920

Turns out I had an old version open, worked when I used the one in the current OP.

Skill implantation via Hero Maker is neat, we need to look at finding an Assassin and putting Presence Concealment on a few harder hitters like Herc before major combat encounters for some ez ambush options. Also giving everyone Mana Burst, Battle Continuation and Instinct for unga bunga and a huge survivability buff.

Need to get that Fairy Garden up and running somewhere back in Fuyuki fast and pump out some nice A++ tier items for an assault on the temple, with priority to things that protect from magical, spatial and temporal interference.

Support casters are a huge meme and can break a lot of things.
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>>4666936
i wonder how we can abuse her ridiculous luck
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>>4666936
she's pretty legit, and has tons of utility for helping/betraying us.
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>>4666936
Does Shinji count as hero?
I’m kinda afraid to ask.
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>>4666936
>In addition, this skill can be used to make artificial homunculus copies of heroes, should Morgan gain a reproductive sample of her target.
ah, so now there's incentive

>>4666952
well if he can be summoned i guess he can be considered
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>>4666853
>>Just let Arcueid do whatever it is she's doing. She's proven herself to be trustworthy.
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Maybe we should trade ownership of Medea and Morgan. La fey is obviously prettier and better suited for us.
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>>4666993
first off, you have shit taste, second, we basically own Morgan already. Mordred listens to us completely and the command seal Mordred used has put Morgan under our thumb
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>>4667006
Maybe she'll take our virginity
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>>4667008
doubtful
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>>4667008
why would you put the most unsafe option
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>>4666853
>Push Morgan out of the way

I bet Altrouge bugged the summoning so that whoever got summoned would be cursed to get attacked by Arcueid
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>>4666936
Can she copy independent manifestation onto others? Can she. Keep it up on multiple allies? Might be helpful if we cone across time fuckery (again).
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Whatever bad blood there might be between Morgan and Arcueid, you aren't just going to allow the woman to be killed off the moment after she's summoned! As much of a pain in the neck that Morgan may turn out to be in the future, for now she has been forgiven, even if temporarily!

You use the last flickers of magical energy you've got left as you reinforce your legs. Arcueid might massively out-speed you even now, but you're close enough that the distance between you and Morgan can be covered quicker than the distance between Arcueid and Morgan! Of course, this is only possible thanks to Arcueid seemingly not going as quick as she possibly can, but even so, her speed is beyond a human!

You brace yourself to be struck by Arcueid, only to suddenly feel her arms wrap around your sides and envelop you in a leaping hug! Of course, as Arcueid's intended target had been Morgan, this ends up causing her to collide into you with more force than she wanted, and she ends up slamming into you and landing directly on top of you! You hit your head on the floorboards as you go down, and end up dazing yourself momentarily while something smothers your face. The world is dark...

"Oh no! Shinji! Are you OK" You regain your senses about twenty seconds later, to see Arcueid's concerned face looking down at you. The fact that she's not covered from head to toe in fairy blood reassures you that she wasn't planning on killing Morgan after all, though you have no idea why Arcueid is getting a dirty look from Sakura right now.

You rub your temple as you get up off the floor. "Yeah... Yeah, I'm fine. What was that all about, Arcueid?" You ask the strangely excited looking girl. "It's not really like you to just go ahead and attack people, do you have a history with Morgan?"

"I do, actually. Morgan helped me out a few hundred years ago. Back when I was hunting down one of the Demon Lords." The Demon Lords? She means the True Ancestors that went mad out of their lust for human blood, you think. "I had run into something of a... tight spot back then, and it was Morgan here who helped me out!" Arcueid smiles at Morgan, who just looks around the room awkwardly, apparently not expecting to be put into a situation like this.

"You're... kidding, right?" That... is completely ridiculous! Though you suppose it makes at least some sort of sense, it's not like England hasn't got its own links to vampires, especially considering that it's the country of the Aylesbury Valesti, it's entirely feasible that Morgan ended up running into Arcueid at some point in the past, even if it is a little bit unlikely.
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"Am I not allowed to aid my fellow Elementals?" Morgan sounds a little annoyed at your implication. "I helped the White Princess here overcome an ambush made by the Demon Lords she hunted in an attempt to overwhelm her through numbers by cutting off her connection to the planet and simply relying on their brute strength and numbers alone" Morgan smiles at Arcueid as she explains just what happened. "We ended up parting ways on favorable terms, though you weren't quite as... emotive back then as you are now." Morgan finishes her explanation with some confusion of her own, though you can't really blame her. The Arcueid of the past compared to the Arcueid of now is like comparing night to day. Arcueid has learned how to let herself experience human emotions, so she's no longer the emotionless killing machine that the White Princess of the past once was.

"I suppose I don't really have an issue with you and Arcueid here being familiar with each other, it's just... unexpected, is all." You scratch the back of your head. What exactly did Morgan get up to in all her time she has had on Earth? She created Logos React, she created Add, she set up the whole ritual with Gray to eventually take place... but that sort of stuff couldn't have taken her centuries, right?

Regardless of everything else, Arcueid having a prior relationship with Morgan makes things more... complicated. Well, you can understand her not bringing it up before this point, it would've been an exceptionally awkward thing to suddenly bring up considering Morgan's history with her family.

"It's good to see you again, Morgan. I didn't properly thank you for helping me last time, I think. You said that you required no recompense for what you did and just disappeared... If my memory serves me right. It's been a struggle to remember what I did in the past, but I clearly remember you." Arcueid is clearly happy to see her fellow elemental.

"Yes... Arcueid." Morgan hesitates to use Arcueid's first name, but seeing as the girl has abruptly decided that they are on first name basis, does so anyway. "I'm happy to see you're still well. Though last I heard of you, you were seeking out-" Morgan suddenly rubs her temple for a moment as she tries to recall something. "Nnnh. A Dead Apostle, their... name eludes me." It seems that even Morgan is incapable of remembering Roa. You... You can only imagine what an uproar the Clocktower must be in right now.

"He's gone now." Arcueid smiles. "Forever." She doesn't elaborate on the destruction of Roa, and you're glad for that. The last thing that you need is for Morgan to start getting interested in using you in some sort of scheme of hers.

Seeing as things seem to have resolved themselves peacefully, you decide to get back to the matter at hand. "Back on topic, did anybody find anything interesting downstairs or on this floor?"
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"Not really." Lugh just shrugs. "It was a painfully mundane selection of items that had been stashed away. Rope, metal ingots, a large number of ordinary knives... that sort of boring stuff" Lugh sounds a little disappointed by his lack of success.

"I mean, the basement was kinda spooky looking? But I think they must've taken everything of value." Satsuki gives her rundown on what she found in the basement... namely, nothing. Well, looks like you took the right room to check out then. You can only imagine what might've happened if Satsuki had accidentally stumbled onto the Summoning Circle and summoned somebody like Carmilla. Though you suppose that her summoning somebody like Dracula would've been useful.

"Well, in that case, I don't think there's anything keeping us here, right? We can all go back to the mansion. Tomorrow, we'll return to Fuyuki City, and Morgan..."

>"Please remain hidden, I don't want you to seek out Arturia."
>"Please remain hidden, use your magecraft to hide yourself."
>"You don't need to sleep, right? Can you just like... stay outside the Tohno Mansion for the night?"
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
>Write-in...
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>>4667097
>>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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>>4667097
>"Please remain hidden, I don't want you to seek out Arturia."
Saber gets one night before we dump another estranged family member on her.
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>>4667037
>Can she copy independent manifestation onto others?
The skill was quite clear about this exact thing.
No.
She can't copy her own abilities onto other people. Of course, she also has other limitations too, so don't expect her to suddenly be able to give skills in the same vein as Oni-kind Demon or Divinity to people for obvious reasons. (She can't just change that much about a target.)
It's one target at a time as well. Though after a few days of continual use, it is possible for a target to permanently gain a skill if they are compatible with it.
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>>4667119
Skills like that are why we aren't allowed to have prep time.
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>>4667097
>>"Please remain hidden, I don't want you to seek out Arturia."
>>4667119
Does that include Sakura?
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>>4667097
>>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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>>4667123
>Does that include Sakura?
Technically it includes anybody, though giving a living being a permanent skill is harder unless they are especially compatible, and most living beings don't have any sort of skills worth copying
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>>4667127
delet this
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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I think just asking her not to cause trouble is too open ended and gives no guarantee of her not causing a shitstorm.
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."

Willing to extend trust until it is betrayed.

And Jesus these Covid comas are getting worse. That one was almost a whole day.
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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Welp, that was my last post for the night, I'll be signing off now. Gotta get up early again.
I'm interested to know if any of you have any plans on just how you want to use Morgan though.
Luckiest crit fail you'll ever get, I guess.
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>>4667258
Better than the gatcha in Awakening.
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>>4667258
For starters, use her to give Satsuki some magecraft skills.
>Luckiest crit fail you'll ever get
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
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>>4667269
I was speaking purely strengthwise. Yeah, it is still Morgan.
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>>4667258
We could give Mordred High Speed Divine Words and have her use her Dragon Core for a destructive potential so high that there would be no situation worth using it on.
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>>4667351
There are a few problems with that.
Not least the fact that you don't have Medea right now.
Second problem is that even if she had the power to use HSDW's it's still Mordred.
Third problem is that Mordred would have no idea what she was casting anyway, and it would be the equivelant of selecting a random spell out of a book any time she tried to do anything, because even if she was granted the ability to speak HSDWs, she wouldn't understand a word of what she was saying.

Also what am I doing up still, I need to go to sleep.
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>>4667097
I want to set up Sacchin with Rider Carmilla, it'd be fun. Summer servants can't normally be summoned though, yeah?
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>>4667368
So it can only pull from the skills specifically listed?
That would mean that it's impossible to transfer the magecraft abilities of Caster, but possible to transfer the magecraft abilities of Archer of all people.
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>>4667380
>magecraft abilities of Archer of all people.
Which are humorously basically useless unless you have access to UBW.
Also, as for Caster, it's not like it would be impossible to use HSDWs, it's just that it wouldn't give Mordred the ability to know what the ancient Greek words of power are she's speaking. Unless Medea decided to tutor her.
Power without the context behind it, basically.
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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>>4667391
Can we give her Shinji's version of golden rule so she can have a headstart on business sense?
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>>4667391
Well, at the very least we'll get some mileage out of the more abstract skills.
Sticking Battle Continuation on someone is always going to be useful, especially on a regenerator like Shinji.
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>>4667391
How about Monica's electricity absortion, can we get that? And permanently?
Also go to sleep.
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>>4665732
If we had Lancer we could give protection from arrows to Saber and Avenger and have them gank him
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>>4667400
It says servant skills and only to be given between servants so no dice
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Battle Continuation, Instinct and Self-Replenishment (Mana) are the most straightforward skills to give everyone.
And if Tiamat is willing to cooperate we can potentially ask for Self-Modification, Independent Manifestation and Monstrous Strength.
Self-Modification is probably insanely broken on Shinji just like healing is.
Theoretically it should also be possible to copy Oni-kind Demon with her method?
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>>4667402
WhatIs said "technically anybody but most living beings don't have any sorts of skills worth copying"
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>>4667404
Actually? Self-Replenishment would work very nicely, Saber would be able to spam Excalibur more, Archer could hold UBW longer and we wouldn't feel the strain of 3 servants, we might be able to handle a 4th one
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>>4667404
>Theoretically it should also be possible to copy Oni-kind Demon with her method?
It would only work on people who already have Oni-Blood, otherwise things would get messy.

>>4667405
It's hard to classify just what a skill is.
If you actually get Morgan to agree to use this skill for you, I'll classify the skills for whoever you pick as the target.

Mostly though, some abilties/skills can be copied and some skills can't be.
Don't expect the majority of skills to be permanent though, to get permanent skills, you need to think smart.
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>>4667420
>Don't expect the majority of skills to be permanent though, to get permanent skills, you need to think smart.
So either Shinji need to help with it or something like Self-Modification is required for a permanent change.
Aptitude probably also plays role here.
I wonder if Arc is willing to share with us?
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>>4667420

Could we curse enemies by having Morgan give targets Narcolepsy?
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>>4667462
>manaka is defeated by extreme sleepiness
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>>4667465
Do it
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I'm making up a list of useful generic skills, this is gonna turn into some cringe skillhunter manga at this rate though.
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>>4667468
It's not, which is why this skill is less useful than it appears.
There's not a lot of plug and chug easy combos we can go for under these limitations, and the permanent skill potential is unwieldy to use outside of a timeskip.
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>>4667482
Putting Witch Trial onto Avenger makes a one man army who self taunts and grows stronger based on animosity due to his class.
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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>>4667419
Self Replenishment is an Avenger specific thing, the user needs to be seeking vengeance against something to maintain the effect and it switches off if they ever stop being angry at something.
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>>4667420
WhatIs, does this iteration of Ibaraki not have her Disengage and Shapeshifting skills or are they not mentioned as we haven't seen them yet?
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I've tried to stick to stuff that's fairly immediate in use so ignoring skills like Rune Magic from Cu, Divine Words from Medea etc. as WhatIs confirmed that would take time to learn properly.

Utility:
Riding: A+ - Medusa, B - Mordred/Arthuria
Charisma: B - Mordred/Arthuria
Presence Concealment: C- Shuten
Mystic Eyes: A+ - Medusa, B-B+++ - Betty
Territory Creation: A+ - Tamamo, A - Medea
Item Construction: A+++ - Tamamo, A - Medea
Shapeshift: A++ - Wukong, A- Ibaraki (usually)

Survival:
Independent Action: B - EMIYA, C - Medusa Avenger also likely has C if he has F/SF stats
Disengage: C - Cu, A - Ibaraki (normally)
Battle Continuation: A+ - Shuten and likely Avenger, A - Cu, B+ Mordred
Magic Resistance: A - Mordred/Arthuria/Avenger, B - Medusa, C - Wukong
Protection From Arrows: B - Cu
Protection of the Ignorant: A - Betty

Combat Buffs:
Instinct: A - Mordred/Arthuria,
Mana Burst: A - Mordred/Arthuria,
Clairvoyance: C - EMIYA
Eye of the Mind (True): B - EMIYA
Monstrous Strength: B - Medusa
Madness Enhancement: A/B - Ibaraki

Tiamat is also a lovely Pandora's box which contains:
Authority of the Beast: A - Anti humanity and anything else born of her womb skill
Independent Manifestation: B - Existence is proved by any thing born of her womb, user exists across spacetime and manifests as a 7 day encroaching flood.
Self Modification: EX - Tiamat's lets her get YUGE and be immune to any attack weaker than A++ rank.
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>>4667521
dragon mom mystery box
becoming blood related to sakura because of tiamat
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."
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so WhatIsAQM did DA shinji got laid with altrouge?
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>>4667097
>"Please don't try to cause trouble."


>>4667119

I see.

What sort of items can one make by the item creation? Would it be possible/feasible to replicate golden bracelet’s protection from spatial interference and prepare a set of accessories for our allies with similar effect?
How about an item granting true sight, allowing to pierce illusions and obscuring effects?
Cloak of concealment - how would it measure up to the Shroud?
Someone mentioned mirror of attack reflection in an earlier thread, how would that be limited?
Replenishable gemstone for Rin that doesn’t break after use?
An item that absorbs energy of an attack?
A sponge that drains and neutralizes magical effects on target?

Can the items have static effects or are they consumables, or only allowing short bursts of use before recharging? Can they be activated based on conditions met or is conscious effort needed to use them?

I hope you are sleeping OP

>>4667521
Nice list!
I wonder if Valor can be copied and which rank Avenger has. Probably not though.
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>>4667630
Avenger Herk's Valor is pretty garbage at E Rank unfortunately. WhatIs's version might be different as he wasn't directly BLACKED by grail mud though
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>>4667630
Oh and Arthurian mythos features proper use of Invisibility cloaks which should match up to the shroud, I reckon Morgan could create something very similar in function. Presence Concealment is an incredibly useful skill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloak_of_invisibility
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Morgan is officially too OP not to betray us at some point.
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>>4667712
just charm her
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I'm going to assume Morgan needs a lot of mana to use Hero Creation, and that she needs prep time to do it as well otherwise the skill is too versatile and too broken.
If it's a matter of compatibility, I think Shirou would do well if he was allowed to jack all of EMIYA's shit for permanent skills.
Also I imagine that any powers not inherent to a Servant themselves (blessings and stuff) also can't be stolen.
I can see Morgan needing permission from both parties for the skill to work as well.
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>>4667712
Just make her want Shirou like a better Saberfaced Rin, then have Shirou engage in a threesome with both Saber and Morgan, as well as marry Morgan too.
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>>4667773
Sounds like a complete disaster.
Can our boy manage that?
If we marry Mordred doesn't that make Shirou our Father in Law? Wacky.
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>>4667775
I'm going for extreme nonstop breeding with Sakura/Tiamat route, thanks
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>>4667778
Why not extreme nonstop breeding with every wife?
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>>4667778
The only acceptable extreme breeding will be with our Evil Hag Wife Medea and/or Touko.
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>>4667782
Which of our kids would be strongest?
>Arcueid - Half-True Ancestor
>Tamamo - Half-Fox Diety
>Sakura - Half-Tiamat???
>Medea - Divine Blood can probably learn HSDWs
>Mordred - Dragonblooded
>Morgan - Quarter-Fairy?
>Ibaraki/Shuten - Half Oni
>Rin - High potential magi
>Ciel/Illya - super high potential magi
>Monica - might inherit her abilities
>Touko - inherits all of Touko's cool shit.
>Lugh - half elemental
>Satsuki - YA Novel Protagonist squared.
Who am I missing?
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>>4667790
aoko, alaya and gaia
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>>4667795
Aoko is for Shiki. But a kid would probably inherit the Fifth Magic.
Alaya I guess would net us some sort of God Emperor
Gaia is anyone's guess. Probably some sort of Beast?
I forgot Medusa who would have monster blood.
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Why do I get the feeling that Medea and Morgan aren't going to get along?
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>>4667801
altrouge and manakas are in the game as well
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>>4667814
Are they?
Are they really?
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>>4667815
They are.
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>>4667816
I don't see it.
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>>4667783
Women who use dildos shouldn't be trusted.
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>>4667828
Hey tripfag, you've got the worst taste.
Who's best girl?
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>>4667828
Well she is evil, what did you expect?
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>>4667831
Of this quest? I really enjoy Monica and wish she got more screen time. Probably Monica, Betty and medea. I like bananna in the regular media but she hasn't had her time to shine yet here.
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>>4667835
>I like bananna in the regular media but she hasn't had her time to shine yet here.
Speaking of Banana Oni, we should buy some sweets for everyone once we are back in Fuyuki. I want to see her try to resist devouring it and fail.
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Real best girl is femGil.
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>>4667837
I wonder if we can offer Ibaraki a job in Mordred's kingdom.
Have her lead a spec ops team of Oni.
The O Team.
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>>4667849
MonStars
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>>4667859
That's for our basketball team though.
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>>4667863
The Orgazmos
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>>4667849
>>4667859
O.N.I.
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I now can't get the image of Shuten and Ibaraki both wearing tacticool operator gear out of my head.
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Hey do you guys think we could ask Morgan to have a Volcano erupt under Buckingham Palace to kill the royal family?
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>>4667889
Let's just pull a bowser and levitate it into the sky.
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>>4667904
Why not just Excaliblast it?
Serves as proof of identity too.
Do you think Saber would loan Mordred Excalibur?
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>>4667912
It's about sending a message.
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Good morning, thread.
Give me thirty minutes to get some stuff sorted out and then I'll tally and write the update.
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>>4667947
You shouldn't be waking up at 10:44 What, its not healthy.
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>>4667950
I woke up six hours ago, anon.
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>>4667947
I will never not be confused at your sleep schedule.
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>>4667957
That isn't any better!
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>You brace yourself to be struck by Arcueid, only to suddenly feel her arms wrap around your sides and envelop you in a leaping hug! Of course, as Arcueid's intended target had been Morgan, this ends up causing her to collide into you with more force than she wanted, and she ends up slamming into you and landing directly on top of you! You hit your head on the floorboards as you go down, and end up dazing yourself momentarily while something smothers your face.
Actually this is the second time Arcueid managed to get something of a typical romcom-eroge affection moment. With first being our meeting in the morning after erasing Roa.
And her presence alone enough to rein in even the most unruly of our cohorts. Might be even enough to spook Morgan.
>>4667521
Going by all we know it is safe to assume that Shinji can reliably get Battle Continuation, Magic Resistance and Self-Modification since their effects are close to our normal activities and powers.
And Sakura might be now in a good territory to get special version of Presence Concealment since she is now almost void to anything magical and even Arcueid and Lugh were unable to get a read on her.
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>>4667957
Quick question; is the harem end even possible? I feel trying is gonna get us dead ended.
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>>4667981
Do you really want to know?
Because the answer is ye.

Though you'll have to be very very careful if you actually want to successfully get it without everything completely falling apart. Some girls will be more open to the idea than others though.
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>>4667981
Arcueid is the key to not getting femme fataled.
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>>4667983
Wait, so we need to act judiciously and with forethought while we take their thoughts and feelings into consideration? We're fucking doomed.
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>>4667773
no i want 2 witch waifus
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>>4667983
well Sakura is canonically open to the idea and Medea is from a time where it was almost expected of great men to do that sorta thing, good start

>>4667992
yeah we're fucked
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>>4667790
Apparently we can have a kid with Alaya but it isn't recommended, we'd be creating a true Type Earth
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>>4667790
Isn't Lugh a man?
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>>4668001
no
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>>4668001
Yes.
But he's also a limitless shapeshifter, so...
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>>4668024
i feel like gender no longer applies when you just have that
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>>4668024
I'm not just making this up by the way, Lugh can and will become a woman if he finds somebody he considers to be a suitable mate.
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>>4668026
Were you expecting him end up being the only loli option?
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>>4668029
I mean, Illya isn't out of the equation just yet. She's just feeling inadequate about her own personal abilities when you've surrounded yourself with gamebreakingly overpowered women.
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>>4668026
What does he like? He seems cute
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>>4668035
He likes humans that punch above their weight class.
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>>4668034
Isn't she able to use wishcraft? I might be confusing canon for Kaleid, but if not than there's gotta be something we can do with that.
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>>4668037
So us
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>>4668034
I imagine Giselle having even less fun.
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>>4668034
we need to have her bath on dragon blood or something like that.
maybe have rin bath on it too.
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>>4668034
how does she explain Sakura then
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>>4668042
Yeah, most FSN characters that didn't receive a major powerboost are going to feel a bit out of place here.
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>>4668045
With Morgan, that's actually an option we can speed up now, she created a homunculus with a magic core, she already has experience, and if we manage to get it, we could easily use 6 servants at once
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>>4668038
>Wishcraft
If I'm remembering it properly it only allows her to basically just use incantationless casting in order to bring about effects without having to use any spells. Even with that though, she's not really that powerful, due to the limits of her own body.
She can throw around some pretty huge magic energy blasts if she wants to though.

Her Wishcraft would only really be super powerful if she had a massive surplus of her own magical energy to use, even more than she has as a result of her massive number of Magic Circuits.
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>>4668058
>due to the limits of her own body.
Illyasviel von Einzbern, homunculus. A girl barely developing. Gentlemen, we can rebuild her. We have the Truth. We have the capability to build the world's most prismatic homunculus. Illyasviel von Einzbern will be that homunculus. Better than she was before. Harder, better, faster, stronger.
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We should find some time at some point to see if Morgan could extend Illya's life, or maybe point us in the right direction for us to do so ourselves. I know Mordred had a limited lifespan, but I think it'd at least be valuable to have her input given the absurdly high quality of Mordred. We could also ask Touko (although maybe we have already and I've forgotten). Her special brand of immortality might give her some insight on the matter.
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"And Morgan, try not to cause any trouble, please? Not for my own sake, but for the sake of your daughter and your sister." You're willing to trust Morgan at least somewhat for now. So long as she doesn't prove herself treacherous down the line, that is. You do worry about whether or not Morgan's stated intentions are true, or if she is simply deceiving everyone, but if even Arcueid seems happy to see her, you can't have that much distrust in the woman. Perhaps she really did change after all that time spent alive and alone? Could Morgan be entirely motivated by the regrets of her own past? If Morgan is truly genuine in what she wants to accomplish, then it wouldn't be a stretch to call her somebody who wants to do the right thing but simply doesn't know how to do so. She wanted to do the right thing and bring her sister back to life, so in order to do that, she set up a long-winded plan to resurrect a perfect clone of her sibling. Though you yourself have extreme doubts about the viability of her plan, it still doesn't change the fact that she wanted to do the right thing, even if it required an evil act.

"Very well, I don't wish to spread chaos, but I shall make an effort to avoid causing any disturbances. My sister shall not even know of my presence unless you wish it... Even if I would like to apologize to her myself." Morgan does seem genuine enough in her wish for redemption, but you never know just how far away a woman like her is to relapsing into her old wicked ways. You can only imagine what sort of an enemy you might've made out of Morgan had you just attacked her on sight or refused to even entertain the idea of talking to her.

"Alright, then there's no point in sticking around here any more, is there? I'm sure that Shinji and Sakura are tired, it is getting quite late." Arcueid decides to take control of things as she leads everyone out of the house, and you are suddenly made aware of the fact that out of your entire group, the only ones who actually need to sleep are yourself and Sakura, though Betty is fond of sleeping herself, it doesn't actually seem to be a physical requirement and it's more of a mental thing.

The group heads back to the Tohno Mansion without any further interruption, there's no sudden strange swords sticking out of the pavement and you don't bump into a Servant or a Dead Apostle Ancestor. The walk back is far from quiet though, Arcueid is happily chatting to Morgan as she walks side to side with the fairy woman, Lugh is chatting to Betty, apparently curious about her, and you're trying to introduce Sakura and Satsuki to each other properly... It's... well it seems to be progressing at least.
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"So, how long have you known my brother for, Satsuki-chan?" Sakura echoes her question to Satsuki from earlier, though this time it doesn't have a hint of impending menace to it, and it just causes Satsuki to awkwardly laugh as she rubs the back of her head. She must be well aware of the dangerous women that surround you by now... Well, she's actually one of them, now that you think about it, and while you can't imagine Satsuki ever really being forceful, if she was to allow her vampire instincts to take over, she'd easily be one of the most dangerous people around you.

"A-about eight years now...? We met each other when Shinji was in Misaki Town to run some sort of errand, and we got along really well!" Satsuki shares an awkward smile at Sakura, who does at least attempt to return it with one of her own. This really isn't ideal, but at least the two of them are trying to get along with each other at least in some small way.

"I see." Sakura looks a little bit pensive about your relationship with Satsuki, but she seems to have at least accepted the existence of Satsuki at this point and that's about all you can really hope for at this point for Sakura. The girl is prone to getting more than a little bit jealous, after all. Though you've already made it perfectly clear to her that you have no intention to leave her, you feel like you get closer to a romantic apocalypse every day. You'll need to start planning for a way to avoid that cataclysm from occurring, you have no intention of ending up like somebody like Merlin and getting trapped in a tower in Avalon for eternity by a scorned woman. You have no idea what sort of stroke of genius he had that made him think that it would be a good idea to try to hide from a fairy in the land of the fairies. Kind of like trying to hide from a fire by jumping into a bathtub full of gasoline.

Eventually, you all make it back to the mansion, and the awkward conversation ends, the two girls at least discussed some of their interests with each other. With any luck, the two tragic girls will actually be able to get along with each other at some point in the future, that would be nice, a future where everyone you knew could get along without having fights or trying to kill each other whenever you aren't around to stop them from getting out of control.

It's late by the time you get back, and it seems that everyone else has already gone to bed. While they could've waited for your return before they all went to bed, you suppose you can't blame them, after all it's not like they had any sort of idea of when to expect you and your group back, and it's better that everyone is well rested for the coming battles back in Fuyuki, everyone is going to need to be in peak condition for it, after all.
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Well, you're not going to be getting much sleep tonight anyway, it's 1AM right now, and Ciel wanted to meet you at 4AM. The meeting with Ciel is a meeting that you have no intention of missing, of course, you promised to meet her alone, so you're going to need to think of a way to get out of the house without anyone noticing. You do have the shroud, but will that alone be enough? Everyone else begins to retire to the guest rooms, and Mordred even orders her mother to go find an out of the way to stay for the night.

"Advisor, do you mind if I stand guard over you tonight?" Mordred suddenly unexpectedly asks you. "I don't need as much sleep as you do, and I'm worried that something might happen to you." The girl had waited until everyone else had left their own rooms before asking you the question. This... Is really not good.

>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
>"OK Mordred, to tell the truth I had a secret meeting planned with a member of the Church to discuss the war, you're welcome to come though you'll need to stay out of sight."
>"That will be fine, Mordred." Looks like you'll have to try to sneak out with somebody standing guard over you.
>"That's not exactly the sort of thing a King should be doing, Mordred."
>Write-in...
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>>4668082
>>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
didn't Ciel tell us to come alone?
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>>4668082
>"That's not exactly the sort of thing a King should be doing, Mordred."
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>>4668082
>>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
>"but i do need to be alone right now, you can go rest."
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>>4668082
I have a meeting to attend to in a couple hours. You are welcome to watch over me when that is over. If I need you I will link with you telepathically.
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>>4668082
>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
>>4668087
yup
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>>4668098
Support. We might as well trust Mordred with what we will do.
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>>4668098
>I will link with you telepathically.
...how?
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>>4668105
We'll do some magic shit or something
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>>4668105
Touko can do some magic invisible earbuds
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>>4668111
Forget I asked anything.
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>>4668082
>Tell Mordred about meeting with Ciel with brief explanation why Ciel can be trusted and ask her to cover for us and call for help if we fail to come back in few hours after the meeting time
Mordred already showed she is much smarter than we expected and has good intuition.
And she will hate it if we were to deceive her.
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>>4668113
Will do
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>>4668082
>"OK Mordred, to tell the truth I had a secret meeting planned with a member of the Church to discuss the war, you're welcome to come though you'll need to stay out of sight."
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We have got 3 hours till the meeting we should use it to teach Satsuki magecraft like we promised.
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>>4668082
>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
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>>4668118
It's 1AM and Shinji is kind of tired.
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>>4668082
>>4668093
change my vote to this.
>>4668098
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>>4668082
>I’m grateful for the offer, Mordred, but we should be safe for the moment.
>Besides I have an appointment that I need to attend alone. The person who gave me message earlier, the agent of the Church, wishes to meet me in private. She is a trustworthy character and I expect much valuable information regarding the war from her so I’d like to humor her request for secrecy.
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>>4668082
>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
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25 minutes till call.
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>>4668135
One minute till I call you Bae
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>>4668135
Bae
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>>4668082
>>I’m grateful for the offer, Mordred, but we should be safe for the moment.
>>Besides I have an appointment that I need to attend alone. The person who gave me message earlier, the agent of the Church,
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>>4668141
It better have huge veiny cocks
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>>4668141
>https://nhentai.net/g/347506/
This is an aspect of the lore that didn't need an illustration.
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>>4668082
>I’m grateful for the offer, Mordred, but we should be safe for the moment.
>Besides I have an appointment that I need to attend alone. The person who gave me message earlier, the agent of the Church, wishes to meet me in private. She is a trustworthy character and I expect much valuable information regarding the war from her so I’d like to humor her request for secrecy.
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Something came up.
Update might be a little late.
Sorry about only being able to get three a day out as of recently.
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>>4668205
Null sweat, OP, stay comfy.
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>>4668205
Even at your slowest you leave the rest of the qms in the dust.
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>>4668218
yeah i like arguing and theorycrafting and planning shit out here, i think that's the quest's biggest strength
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>>4668205
All g qm, take your time.
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What are our actual goals at this point? The only ones I can remember/think of are:

1. Rescue our servants and defeat the Manakas.
2. Complete our reality marble.
3. Extend Illya's lifespan.
4. Teach Sacchin magecraft.
5. Take over England, possibly the world.
6. Get Arturia a permanent body (I don't think this has been stated but we don't want Shirou's wife to just disappear on him).
7. Get permanent bodies for our own servants (once again, implicitly what I figured we'd want at some point).
8. Hopefully find out what happened to Kiritsugu to give Shirou and Illya some peace.
9. Find and kill Zouken.
10. Get the harem ending.

What do you think we should do once the war is done? Assuming that either the quest doesn't end or we don't have an otherwise pressing matter to deal with, I figure we should figure out how to kill ORT. Maybe take Alaya up on her offer.
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>>4668247
0. Marry Medea/Touko
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>>4668250
0. Marry and impregnate Medea and/or Sakura and/or Satsuki
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>>4668253
The hags come first.
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>>4668247
Keep Sakura from going Dark, she doesn't have any crest worms but she has Tiamat in her stomach and Manaka could pull some bullshit. Also not die from the fallout of leading on several powerful women
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>>4668247
Clean up the post war fallout, deal with Einzberns, Dark Six, potential Moon Cell existence and make sure FGO can never happen in any form or way.
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>"I don't require you to watch over me, Mordred. Though I do appreciate the offer."
>>4668087
>>4668100
>>4668119
>>4668134

>"That's not exactly the sort of thing a King should be doing, Mordred."
>>4668090

>Lie about ability to use telepathy for some reason
>>4668098
>>4668102
>>4668124

>Tell Mordred about ciel and why she can be trusted
>>4668114

>I have a secret meeting
>>4668117

>I’m grateful for the offer, Mordred, but we should be safe for the moment....
>>4668128
>>4668142
>>4668159

Does this look correct?
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>>4668285
Yep, just about right.
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>>4668247
Adopt Olga Marie and Kiara (If she exists), turn Primate Murder into Fou.
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>>4668306
if vampires exist, Kiara exists
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>>4668247
I feel like the following are things we should also do
1. Find out if the moon cell exists
2. Presuming for a minute that the events of FGO can occur, prevent them. If not then at the very least find a way to save Olga Marie.
3. If we aren’t going for a harem, go for our waifu and stick with her for laifu [yeah yeah bad pun]. And also find a way to survive the fallout of many powerful women trying to get to you should such a thing occur. Me personally I wanna go for Medea, though Touko or Arcuied would also be nice
4. Get Richer (the easiest of these to attain)
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>>4668322
we can destroy the world economy with Shirou, the bubble is gonna pop in a few years, we can basically rule the world
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>>4668247
nuke chaldea if it somehow forms from unified timeline shenanigans
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>>4668329
A bunch of old evil witches playing at running the world.
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"I don't require you to watch over me at night Mordred, though I of course appreciate your offer to do so, I think it would be better if you were to spend this time resting... Though you might need to find a bedroom for yourself." It occurs to you that Mordred doesn't actually have a room set aside for her in the Tohno Mansion on account of being a new arrival to your group, as a matter of fact, Morgan also doesn't have a room, but seeing as Morgan is in the body of a Servant at least, she shouldn't suffer from any sort of fatigue at all.

Mordred frowns for a fraction of a second before she laughs instead. "Oh, don't worry about me! I'll just rest on one of the sofas in the lobby, it's not like I'll need more than an hour or two of rest." Mordred shrugs. Hardly the sort of behavior that you might expect from somebody who recently became a king, but you suppose that Mordred herself ended up living a very humble life, so it's hardly like she'd start to crave the comforts that being royalty could offer a person. "Rest up well, advisor. For tomorrow, I intend to have this grail war resolved." That... sure is a confident viewpoint she has there. Though you can't help but feel reassured by her words. That damn kingly charisma of hers is getting to you again!

"As you say, let us hope that our combined forces are enough to overcome the evil that lurks beneath the grail, though you would do well not to allow yourself to become over-confident, Mordred. Over-confidence leads to complacency, and complacency leads to defeat and humiliation" You grimace as you recall how effortlessly the two Manaka managed to defeat your entire faction last time you attempted to resolve the issue with the grail, and you still haven't managed to recover those that were lost in that unsuccessful attack. In truth you don't actually really even want to try to deal with Manaka until you are certain that all of your allies are guaranteed safety, even if that means you'll have to negotiate with the girl herself. After all, you have no idea where exactly she has spirited your friends away to, and if you were to successfully kill her, it might even make it so that her captives were unrecoverable.

"Right. Never go into a fight expecting it's already won, that's how you get knocked flat on your ass." Mordred says as she apparently remembers something from her first time alive, probably some sort of spar between the Round Table Knights she's reminiscing about. Over-confidence can easily lead to a defeat at the hands of far inferior adversaries, you don't need to look to anybody other than Gilgamesh for proof of that. Or even Mordred herself, Arturia letting her guard down after fatally wounding Mordred is what caused her to be fatally wounded herself.
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"Pretty much. I'll see you in the morning, Mordred." You say your farewells to the girl and you start heading to your own room. Betty herself actually went off ahead to go and sleep after you had assured her you would be along shortly, and you find yourself walking through the halls of the Tohno Mansion alone, nobody confronts you and there's nothing unusual that occurs, but still, you can't help but find the place eerie at times. It must be a result of it's history as a place that has been inhabited by those with demon blood for so long, the inhabitants can sometimes rub off on the building itself. depending on their nature. Though even if the Tohno Mansion was haunted, it would only be a haunting of the lowest rank.

You arrive back in your room to find Betty already asleep on your bed, and you don't go to sleep yourself, no, you instead sit on an armchair and begin to think to yourself. Two and a half hours is a very long time to keep yourself busy with, but you mostly just spend the time to yourself you've found yourself with meditating, while your breathing techniques aren't the greatest, your martial arts training has given you a fairly good grasp of meditation, and it does seem to have a small effect on the rate of recovery for your spent magical energy. It also helps you to clear your mind as you focus on the task ahead of you. Ciel wanted this to be a private meeting, so it's all on you to be able to get there alone. Even if such a thing might be more than a little difficult, she did give you the shroud for a reason, you guess.

>Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel.
>Don't wear the Shroud as you sneak out of the Tohno Mansion.
>Only wear the Shroud when necessary and you if you think you might be being watched.
>Go see one of your allies, see if they want to observe, just in case. (Who?)
>Write-in...
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>>4668419
>>Don't wear the Shroud as you sneak out of the Tohno Mansion.
At least if someone sees us, they'll know we sneaked out instead of being kidnapped for the 10th time
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>>4668419
>>Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel.
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>>4668341
I'd gladly live in a world run by medea.
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>>4668424
pretty sure she just wants to be like a housewife with a husband she loves
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>>4668419
>>Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel.

Leave a message saying we've gone to meet someone reliable and we'll be back before dawn. If not, we may be in trouble.

why didn't we tell Mordred we're going to the meeting? most people seemed to want to tell her in some capacity
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>>4668419
>Go see one of your allies, see if they want to observe, just in case.
Lugh
Let's get some bond with him. Besides, he should be the least detectable of our group.
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>>4668433
+1
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>>4668433
Because Mordred would absolutely follow you.
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>>4668422
>>4668419
changing my vote now to
>Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel.
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30 minutes
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>>4668427
sounds like a world I'd like
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>>4668446
you know to be honest, I expect for someone to still be keeping tabs on us, so they'd know if we disappeared.
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>>4668483
Yeah, but this way we keep our promise to Ciel by not consciously bringing anyone along.
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>>4668446

She's so adorable. Like a puppy.
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Didn't we promise Betty to not leave her behind again?
>>4668419
>Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel.
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Looking forward to learning who Ciel's Servant is.

>inb4 it's fucking Gil

Wonder who could it be though. Could the Shroud be NP of her Servant?
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>>4668495
I think it was more, '"don't disappear to a different town again" rather than us physically never leaving her side again.
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>>4668499
no way its fucking Gil, he would've lorded over us if he was with her
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>>4668506

Assuming it's form the extra set, it would have to be either Archer or Assassin, right? Unless one of them are replaced by one of the other classes.
Assassin would have some degree of concealment though, rather than being so strong we could feel them at Rin's.

Maybe one of Charlemagne's Paladins has an Archer variant?
Or it's Jeanne somehow? Giles?
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>>4668522
it might not be Archer or Assassin, the servant likely wore the shroud so it could be anyone
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>>4668522
well if the shroud was green, I'd immediately know it was Robin Hood's invisibility NP
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>>4668555
>Update
What did her servant look like anyways?
I remember it having a sword, but don't quote me on that.
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>>4668499
She literally told you who the Shroud belonged to, anon.
It's the Shroud of Saint Matthias the Apostle.
As a member of the Burial Agency, Ciel can effectively request the Church give her anything she wants from its vaults with some exceptions.
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>>4668561
All that was stated in the update was the servants could feel the presence of a top class servant.
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>>4668419
Wear the Shroud all the way to Ciel
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You don't want to take any chances, and you don't exactly know how effective this shroud is going to be up close to Lugh or Arcueid, after all, Lugh did seem to be able to see you despite you wearing it, so it's not a perfect invisibility that it grants you, or maybe it's just that Lugh is that in tune with his surroundings that even a stealth granting artifact of the highest quality such as this one that Ciel is letting you borrow would be able to hide your presence from him. In fact, seeing as Arcueid's plan sort of revolved around causing Satsuki to become overly stressed, it's also possible that she also saw through the Shroud! Of course, it only makes sense, the Burial Agency has been trying to seal Arcueid for basically as long as they have existed, so it's unlikely that even their greatest artifacts would allow them to sneak up on her.

When the time is right, you slip the shroud stashed into one of your pockets on around your shoulders, and you can feel its magic beginning to take effect, the holy magic inherent to the shroud is strangely subtle despite it's quantity. You set off, pushing the door to your room open, you peer into the dark corridor. Nobody around. Good. You sneak your way through the halls of the Tohno Mansion, careful not to make a sound as you do. You don't know just where the presence concealing abilities of this cloak end, so you don't want to take any chances by acting careless. The last thing you need the women in your life to find out is that you were planning on a late night meeting with another woman. That's just bound to lead to all sorts of nasty misunderstandings that you can really really do without.

You eventually find yourself in the lobby of the mansion, and you see Mordred sleeping on one of the sofas just as she said she would, her armor is gone, and it seems that somebody has draped a blanket over the top of the girl. You can't really see Mordred being the sort of girl to actively seek out a blanket to sleep with, she's too tough for that sort of thing. Even so, she looks so vulnerable right now. Mordred could kill you with a single movement if she wanted to, but right now, as she sleeps, she looks completely harmless. You actively have to resist the urge to pet her head, and you pull yourself away, heading towards the doors of the mansion. You open the doors as quietly as you are able in order to slip out, and Mordred doesn't even stir in her sleep. Seems that she was more tired than she was letting on...

When you're outside the house, you take care to close the doors just as quietly as you opened them. With any luck, that didn't wake Mordred up either. As you stand outside the front door of the large mansion, you find yourself wondering why you didn't just try to find some sort of side door to leave from instead. Though you suppose it doesn't really matter, taking the front door was worth it if only because you got to see Mordred looking so cute.
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The trip to Ciel's favorite curry store is a fairly short one, thankfully. You've somewhat made an effort to recall the actual locations few of the more noteworthy place in Misaki Town, and this place was one of them. It is stunningly still open even at 4AM in the morning, and there is a single customer inside the store, a girl with glasses wearing a white and black dress, not quite her official uniform, but at a distance you'd be able to mistake the two outfits. Ciel is eating a large plate of curry to herself. You check the clock, and you realize that you were fifteen minutes early. You remove the shroud as you step inside the store, and Ciel looks shocked to see your early arrival.

"Ah... You're early, Shinji." Ciel observes, her eyes continuously flicking to the large plate of curry in front of her, she very obviously wants to finish eating her curry. Just how much can a single person enjoy a meal like curry? Sure, you don't mind it, but Ciel is practically obsessed with the dish.

"As are you, Ciel." You sigh as you look at the normally serious Church Operative as she keeps looking back to her food.. "You know, if you want to finish eating that before we talk about the war, it's fine. It's not like I've got anything better to be doing right now anyway." Ciel looks a little awkward as she finishes eating her food while you've got your arms crossed, staring straight at her. When she's finished eating, you decide to finally get down to business. "So, you wanted to talk to me about the war? Because I already know all about Kirei Kotomine."

"You do?" Ciel gives you a questioning look, apparently wanting to know just how much of Kirei you are aware. If Ciel wanted to talk about her fellow overseer, then that's completely fine.

You flick your hand nonchalantly. "Oh man, where to begin...?" You decide to list practically ever unsavory quality about the man, if Ciel already distrusts him. "Kirei Kotomine is a dangerously disturbed man who is incapable of feeling any sort of emotions unless he is causing suffering. He cried when his wife died, not because he was sad she died, but because he was sad he didn't get to kill her himself. He forcibly kept a few dozen orphans alive in agony in order to use them as magical energy batteries, he killed his ward's father and then gave her the knife he stabbed him in the back with as a present. Within his chest beats a heart made of the Evils of Mankind, and he also seeks to bring about the advent of a God of Evil."
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Ciel's eyes are wide open. Clearly, whatever information that she had about Kirei Kotomine wasn't quite as comprehensive as what you have on the man, of course, she might question how you know half of what you know, but you've already decided that the answer will be 'magic'. Thankfully, Ciel doesn't seem to be suspicious of your words at all. "Thanks to my Servant, I... I knew that Kotomine was deceiving me and had a dark heart, but..." Ciel pauses for a moment. "I feel sick, somebody needs to kill him." Her voice is cold, as if she herself wants nothing more than to go and kill her fellow priest.

"You're not going to doubt me? You're... not even going to question what I said?" You're not really sure how you feel about Ciel not only accepting what you said easily, but also not even appearing that shocked by what you said. Of course, she was a little shocked, as anybody would be, but it's obvious that Kirei's acting has failed to work even slightly on Ciel.

"Why would I? There wouldn't be much point in us meeting here if we were just going to question whatever the other said, right?" Ciel just smiles at you despite the previously morbid subject, you know, if she keeps smiling like that, then this important late night meeting could easily be seen as a date! "Seeing as you already told me more than enough information about Kotomine, I feel like it's my turn to answer a question."

>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Where is your Servant?"
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
>Write-in...
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>>4668634
>"Who is your Servant?"

clearly someone with at least enough magical knowledge to tell how absolutely batshit evil that kotomine is.

Maybe it's Merlin who can do a current-time clairvoyance
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>>4668634
>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
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>>4668634
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
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>>4668634
>>"Who is your Servant?"
>>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
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>>4668634
>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
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>>4668634

>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Where is your Servant?"
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>"Would you like another portion of curry
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>>4668634
>>"Who is your Servant?"
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>>4668634
>"Who is your Servant?"
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>>4668641
anyone with a functioning brain can tell how "off" of a human being Kirei is, Rin as a stupid child knew there was something unpleasant about him and Shirou's dumbass knew he wasn't a good guy

>>4668634
>>"Where is your Servant?"
>>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
Asking about someone else's servant is a bit much so i would hold off on it
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>>4668634
>Who is your Servant?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
Last update of the night?
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>>4668737
Yes.
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>>4668634
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
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Before I sign off for the night, I'm going to ask a question. Well, two questions.
First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
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>>4668796
I didn't think me and another anon chatting about manaka would actually make her appear in the story
Right now I just wanna see where things go and hopefully get a good ending
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>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
Manaka existing.
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
Taking over Britain.
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>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
I got spooked when SHIKI showed up again
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
Honestly? dealing with our romantic involvements, it'll be extremely funny and sad
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>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
manaka
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
make so pic related happens for everyone, i just want a "cooking with emiya family" ending.
also helping mordred conquer a nation or two.
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>>4668796
First: I never expected you to actually grant the wish of the Manaka memers. It was a pleasent surprise to find a QM willing to cater to that.
Second: Finding out who second Saber is. That empty spot in the character sheet might be teasing a certain blonde haired holy sword welder from an unfinished otome. If we're not responsible for the summoning of him, Manaka would definitely take advantage of it.
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>>4668823
still thinking he just universe hopped
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>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
Manaka and Tsukihime starting early, but we all already talked about that.
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
Finishing off the rest of the Servants at the temple in a huge battle, getting the rest of our party back, and then dealing with Manaka.
Gilgamesh.
Figuring out what Alan's plan is and dealing with that.
Route Lock, Harem Route is for cowards.
Aaaaaaaaaaand, taking over the Einzbern castle and giving all the homunculi normal life spans.
Still need to catch up with Giselle.
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>>4668796
You making my manaka shitposting come true. Looking forward to who we actually end up with.
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>>4668796
I'd say Tiamat showing up at all is a big surprise, since a lot of fate-QMs would probably be too afraid to include her at all considering her sheer power level.

That being said, I look forward to interactions with her and the potential to rescue medea so that she can see just what crazy shit like Tiamat we've been involved in.
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>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
This might be because it was my roll, but summoning Morgan was crazy. King Mordred was already a borderline crackfic moment with a ton of interesting ripple effects and before that even gets a chance to sink in, Morgan gets pulled into the story by pure chance and shakes things up again.
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
Reckonings both romantic and cosmic.
Also, getting to infodump all the crazy shit that happened to our friends in stasis.
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>>4668634
>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
>>4668796
>First question is what was the most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
Tsukihime happening in Fate.
>The second question is what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most.
Adding Moon Cell, Kaleid or Kara no Kyoukai to the mix.
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>>4668796
Most surprising was probably the addition of Manaka, and how utterly fucking wrong I was when I came in swinging my dick around and saying something like 'am I the only one who thinks this is really obviously Prelati?' I'm looking forward to potentially killing the Types at some point, and to finally unlocking our reality marble.
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>>4668634
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>”I’m also a bit curious about your Servant...”

>>4668584
So it’s a a Church artifact, thanks for settling this.
But in theory such a relic can be carried by a Servant as well, no? Some of the heroes in Christian world put a lot of stock in collecting them.

>>4668796
>1
Probably Manakas and the multiple sets of Servants.
>2
Oh man that’s a tough one. SoL section with all of our friends after the war is resolved, I think. Interested in learning what happened with Kiritsugu too.
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>>4668796
1. Betty
2. Rakkyo's She-ki.

>>4668634
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
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Well, today looks like it's going to be fantastically awful for me.
I'll try to get some updates out but I can't promise I'll be capable of anything.
Fuck this.
See you in like five or six hours or so, thread. Maybe.
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>>4668823
>Finding out who second Saber is
That was Mordred you retard
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>>4668796
>most surprising plot development in this quest for you as a player?
Tiamat in Sakura, or SHIKI showing up as himself
>what you're looking forward to potentially happening in the future of the quest the most
You writing a sex scene. Shirou getting UBW. Alan being told about Summer BB. Betty getting full power and full control unlocked. All Fiction being obtained. Shinji's madman speech and massive reveal drop at a climactic moment, as all the allies he's collected thus far are there alongside as many other significant people as possible including Zelretch and Gilgamesh and Alan with Alaya and Gaia listening in, and who knows who else?
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>>4668832
>Harem Route is for cowards
More like for people who value their life.
Honestly though, I kinda doubt we'll be able to get away with just one romantic relationship now.
Our choices are to either try to go full Merlin to flee from our mistakes and get fucked or try to establish a harem.
Arcueid will be happy with a harem I think.
>>4668845
Honestly we've got Nyarlathotep himself lurking around. I doubt Tiamat is much to a cosmic god.
>>4669327
I mean the grail is apparently super fucked so it might spit out a new Second Saber considering it didn't get Mordred's soul when she stopped being a Servant.
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>>4669156
>>4668634
If the vote is still running I'll support this.
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>>4668901
Why do I get the feeling that we'll be tremendously OP with our abilities in the Moon Cell?
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I'd love to see miyu and chloe interactions with shirou.
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>>4669378
Chloe and Prisma Illya are both just one half of the original Illya that we have so it would be pointless. Chloe is just half a personality given physical form and that's it.
Miyu would be interesting though.
We should probably go find her now that I think about it.
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>>4669379
Holy shit we do need to find her although that will likely require help from medea unless we stumble unto her like we did with arc otherwise besides out outside context repository if information gives us a lead to where she's hidden away it's going to be hard to find her. Let alone that she's a bit of a robot right now.
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>>4669327
>That was Mordred retard
Check the list again idiot, its empty because Mordred is no longer a servant. Morgan hijacked the summoning for the new Second Saber but the slot is still unfilled. So someone with the magical know-how can use the loop hole and summon another Saber like how Zouken summoned true Assasin in HF. QM said himself that there are more opportunities to summon servants too.
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>>4669383
Miyu can join our collection of potentially world ending adoptive daughters alongside Kiara and Olga Marie.
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>>4669387
And if anyone has that magical know-how to exploit Grail loop holes it would be Manaka. She already summoned 6 Alter servants and would definitely want to see Saber Proto again, so she would take advantage of their being no Second Saber anymore.
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>>4669055
I think Prelati or even A-san still has a chance of appearing in this grail war. Prelati because Zouken has been greatly weakened and probably had no opportunity to stop them from interfering. And A-san because Left Manaka's version of Ayaka is probably A-san.
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>>4669392
Prelati isn't going anywhere NEAR Fuyuki if she knows Touko is within three hundred miles of it
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>>4669392
No way Prelati is getting anywhere close to Touko.
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>>4669392
A-san is a fake version of Ayaka though so it's unlikely that we'd have her instead of the real thing.
We might run into both.
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>>4669399
Apparently A-san was living in Fuyuki during the Fifth Grail War which is why I'm even mentioning her in the first place. I doubt we'll see the "real" Ayaka since she's all the way in Tokyo.
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>>4669402
She's probably wondering where elder sister went.
I also just realized that if left Manaka is physically the same age as Right Manaka then that should mean she's probably still only like 13.
Which would make Ayaka like 8 years old.
Will Gil fall in love with an 8 year old?
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>>4669403
>Will Gil fall in love with an 8 year old?
Age certainly didn't stop Saber Proto from falling in love with Ayaka early on. If you think about it, all of the love interests in Prototype were pedos since Ayaka is 16 at the start of the story. I know Japan has a different age of consent but still. I'm also hoping we can get Gilgamesh to be less douchey and less hellbent on the destruction of humanity by having him fall in love with glasses-less A-san like his Prototype counterpart fell in love with glasses-less Ayaka.
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>>4669405
>Gil falls in love with Loli Ayaka
>drinks immortality juice and becomes ko-Gil because of it.
Best end right there.
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>>4668809
Manaka was planned for the story since the very beggining, anon.
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>>4669431
Sure, Tzeentch.
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>"Who is your Servant?"
>>4668641
>>4668671
>>4668729

>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>>4669285

>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>>4668651
>>4668659
>>4668737

>Are you going to leave the Church then?
>>4668779

>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
>>4668657

>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>”I’m also a bit curious about your Servant...”
>>4669156
>>4669361

>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>>4668661

>>>"Where is your Servant?"
>>"Can you tell me what you've found out about the war?"
>>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
>>"Would you like another portion of curry?"
>>4668732

>Curry?
>>4668901

>All questions
>>4668669

Is this a tie?

Will wait forty minutes for tiebreakers and last votes.
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>>4669402
>We find Ayaka to deploy as biological weapon to contain Gilgamesh
>The plan backfires horribly when she becomes interested in us instead
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>>4669463
I will vote to tie break then since I usually don't vote unless I disagree with the leading choice which I don't have any disagreements right now.
>>4668634
>"Who is your Servant?"
>"Are you going to leave the Church then?"
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>>4669376
We were supposed to be pretty OP for FSN yet here we are.
I am sure WhatIs has idea or two how to balance without cutting out most of our team in some trap.
>>4669405
>If you think about it, all of the love interests in Prototype were pedos since Ayaka is 16 at the start of the story. I know Japan has a different age of consent but still.
Going by age difference majority of Servants with romantic plotlines or implications for their Master can be called pedo groomers as well.
Somebody like Wu Zetian can be pretty much called lolibaba verison of a naked guy in trenchcoat hanging around elementary school.
And if we were to judge from an outsider perspective on Shinji's life he was picked by a mature lady and groomed by her unbeknown to his senile grandpa and alcoholic dad. Same can be said about Medea and her plans for her Master. Arcueid is probably the biggest offender on that list.
Plus given how we have a lot of accumulated human experience we pretty much done definition of grooming to Satsuki.
But if we being a bit more serious on the matter Touko is the closest thing Shinji had to a parental figure.
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>>4669507
why do we even care about this, we are mages.
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>>4669537
Just expanded on that thought other anon had.
I do agree that morals hardly matter for mages.
We were playing it in that kind of high moral imperative we would having a family court hearing for Cu right now.
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>>4669376
technically Moon Cell can't happen if the Dark Six doesn't, we have time to stop it still since we know where the ritual is being held
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"My own question, huh? Well, it might be a little rude to ask this, but... who exactly is your Servant?" You've been wondering for a while just who she might have ended up summoning, yet you don't really know just who it could be. Though as she's in the war at all, she probably ended up summoning on behalf of the Burial Agency, and as a result she may have ended up summoning some saint or other holy figure...

"My Servant? It's Archer. Karna, to be precise." You have got to be kidding, Karna of all Servants? As an Archer too? You can't even begin to think how stupidly broken that her Servant must be, not to mention that Ciel definitely has the magical energy for Karna to actually fight at his best! "The Burial Agency saw their opportunity to summon a Servant with an incredible affinity against vampires and the like, so they ended up procuring a fragment of his cloak in order to summon him."

"Hold on a second, then if your Servant is Archer... then... You were the one who attacked me a few nights ago!" A missing piece of the puzzle finally slots itself into place. Ciel is the Master of Second Archer.

"Ah, yeah..." Ciel sounds guilty. "I asked Archer to test your strength, though I did tell him not to go all out and try to kill anybody... that probably doesn't make it look much better on my part though, does it?" She looks a little disappointed in herself as she reveals just what she had her Servant do. Of course, if her Servant really is Karna, then the attacks he was firing at you could have easily been great enough to have destroyed the entire building you were in before you could even think about escaping.

"It's... fine, we weren't allies at that point, and you had no knowledge of my intentions, so I can't hold it against you." It was by this same logic that you forgave the two oni girls, and they were a far greater pain to deal with than Ciel and her Archer were, though that's only because Ciel was actually holding back. Odds are that you would've probably died had Karna used his maximum strength against you. You want to ask Ciel just what Karna is capable of an Archer, but you feel like you have enough of an idea about just how powerful the demigod actually is already. "I'm glad you were honest about who you ended up summoning, I can imagine that the Burial Agency would've wanted to keep such a powerful secret weapon under wraps and hidden from the Dead Apostle Ancestors and the Mage's Association." Somebody like Karna, a demigod of the sun with the ability to manipulate flame would be a nightmare to even those Dead Apostles that have partially managed to conquer their weakness of sunlight. Merely being in his presence would likely actively begin to weaken them. "Speaking of the Burial Agency, have you given much thought to if you're actually going to leave the Church or not?"
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"I have. But if I'm going to leave the Church, I'm not just going to hide away and disappear from the Burial Agency, I want to tell them directly that I quit. Otherwise I just wouldn't feel right with myself." Ciel sighs. "As messed up as it is, I can't just turn away from them without saying anything. I don't want to do something so cowardly." Seems like Ciel really is planning on leaving the Burial Agency, that's a relief. Even if you didn't care about Ciel at all, simply depriving the Burial Agency of one of their members is good. You get the creeping feeling that you might end up coming into conflict with the group at some point in the future. Call it a gut feeling. "Of course, what I'm planning on doing after all this is said and done might depend on your next few words."

"Hm?" You gesture for Ciel to keep talking, intrigued by just what it is she might be planning on asking you next.

"Would you ever murder an innocent person if it meant the difference between success and failure?" Ciel's question is one you hadn't expected from her at all, you were expecting her to ask for information about the grail war!

>"Yes."
>"No."
>"Depends on the circumstances."
>Write-in...
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>>4669614
>"Yes
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>>4669617
>>"No."
This is literally what Bazdilot asked Heracles before he mind broke him into becoming Alcides, Ciel is a good person that wouldn't be ok with this much pragmatism, in fact, none of our friends would be
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>>4669617
>"No."
So far we've been saving everyone who's worth it, fuck throwing people under the bus. In fact we're more likely to throw ourselves under the said bus.
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>>4669617
>"No."
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>>4669617
>No
theres a reason we forbade shuten from nomming humans
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>>4669617
>>"No."

I guess we're getting closer to the time where we have to learn how to flip pages backwards...
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>>4669617
>"No."
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>>4669617
>"No."
But only because people we like would be sad about it.
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>>4669617
>"No."
It is true for the most part. Shinji has no need to do any grim stuff to get things done and has no desires to pile up the corpses. And we do try to avoid collateral damage if it is possible.
Creating Kingdom of Albion and doing fun world economy crush however is not going to be bloodless. But I doubt Ciel asks or thinks at all about ethics in modern economy here.
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>>4669617
>>"No."
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>>4669617
>"No."
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Calling in five minutes.
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>>4669617
>"Depends on the circumstances."
>Write-in...
>"If I was forced to choose between saving my allies from danger or saving someone I don't know, I'd choose my allies almost every time."
>"But I'd never choose to sacrifice an innocent for a tactical advantage."

Goddamn it, I got here late. May as well post it.
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>>4669617
Too late to vote, but I like that the truthful answer is "no" even if only because Shinji doesn't consider random NPCs as real persons.
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>>4669745
i mean, its true, we consider most people to be NPCs that don't matter but we don't kill random people, quite the opposite, we almost always choose the diplomatic route and are quite merciful and forgiving unless you're a complete monster like Zouken or Altrouge
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>>4669754
Yeah, but the question isn't whether you'd murder, period, but only whether you'd murder if it was the difference between success and failure. We'd look into alternatives first, for sure, but if it really was the difference between success and failure I'm sure we'd murder a no-name innocent in a heartbeat.
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>>4669761
i mean, probably not, not because of empathy or whatever but because of Shirou and Rin, we'd alienate them if we went that route
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>>4669767
We'd just decide to keep it hidden from then like all the other stuff that'd alienate them if they knew. There is no way we'd choose failure for real.
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>>4669617
>"No."

We will eventually get so powerful that we can do tons of things to prevent the situation from ever needing this kind of choice.
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>>4669761
Maybe someone would vote for it but I doubt it's a foregone conclusion.
I guess it depends on the cost of failure but I still don't think we'd choose to deliberately end an innocent for the sake of convenience. And I don't think situations where we decide who to save fall under scope of the question at all.
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"No. Of course I wouldn't." While you don't really care about random people and you barely even consider them real people anyway, you'd never go out of your way to harm them, and if you needed to start murdering innocent people in order to achieve whatever goal you were after, then you'd really need to try to find another way to accomplish it, not to mention that if you did something like that, you'd make everyone you do care about terribly upset. "It might be a different story if it were a choice between an innocent person and somebody I cared about or even a utilitarian 'kill one to save many' trolley problem style question, but I doubt that's the sort of moral quandary you wanted to put me in." In truth, Ciel was probably just wondering how much like a typical magus you are. Most magi wouldn't even hesitate to say that they would kill for their goals no matter how shallow, but you don't really actually have any sort of goals that would require you to do such heinous acts anyway. "While I'm not afraid of killing those who have wronged me or others, I will strive to try to keep innocents out of my affairs, it's the right thing to do." Hopefully you can keep innocent lives from being ruined or ended as a result of Mordred's intended conquest of Britain. Where do you draw the line anyway? If your goal will improve the lives of people down the line, is it OK? Probably best not to get all caught up in this utilitarian train of thought right now.

"Correct answer!" Ciel seems happy with your answer at least. "I just wanted to make sure that you weren't like a typical magus before deciding anything. I had a hunch that you weren't but you can never really be too sure about things like that." Yeah, it's a sad fact of this world that most of the time, if you're a magus, you're going to turn out to be some sort of irredeemably evil jackass. You've surrounded yourself with exceptions to that rule, of course, but forgetting just what the vast majority of those who practice magecraft are like is a surefire way to get yourself stabbed in the back.

"Were you really testing me?" You frown at Ciel for a moment. You kind of doubt that she wasn't already aware of your personality, but if she just wanted to make absolutely certain that you still had a functioning moral code, you don't really care. After all, after living through such a painful life, it's obvious that Ciel would have at least some issues with learning to trust people. Especially people who are actually well aware of the world of magic like you are.
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Ciel just laughs lightly. "What's the matter? You passed the test with flying colors! You're not like a lot of the other magi I've had to deal with over the years." Ciel sighs. "You'd think that the Mage's Association would be able to keep their cronies in order with those Enforcers they are so proud of, but more often than not it feels like I'm going after some rogue magus kidnapping people so they can use their organs for some sort of monstrous army that they should have been dealing with..." Judging from how Ciel is talking, you can only imagine that she's not just talking theoreticals here. If you were a rogue magus going against the rules of the Mage's Association, you know that you'd much rather have Enforcers show up at your doorstep than an Executor or even a member of the Burial Agency. The Enforcers would likely be under orders to take you in and seize your research, whereas the Church would only really show up to kill you and stamp out your heresy.

"Well, I'm sure that-" You stop talking when you hear a bell. A chime rings through the small curry shop as two new people enter it. A man wearing a white cloak that obscures his face, and a girl wearing a similar cloak to him, which is also obscuring her face. There's simply no way that these two aren't somehow related to the supernatural, though neither of them are giving off any signs of magical energy at all! Something is definitely wrong here, and you feel like those cloaks might have something to do with it. There's a slight trace of magical energy on the cloaks, not huge, but to somebody with attuned senses, you're able to pick it up after a few seconds of looking.

A quick glance at Ciel tells you that she's thinking the exact same thing. While neither of you have any evidence that there's something truly off with either of those two, they are almost certainly magi or some other form of supernatural beings, of that you have no doubt. But why have they come here? Could they have followed you even though you were wearing the Shroud of Matthias? Could this just be some sort of coincidence? You go silent as you try to listen in on the conversation the two of them are having, in English, at that.

"-tsu curry. Do you have any idea what you would like yet? You'd best decide before I head to the counter and order it." Of course, it being so late at night means that there's no active waiting staff in the shop, and you need to go to the counter in order to place an order directly to the chef.
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"I don't even know why you've taken me here." The girl's voice that comes back is annoyed, and again in English. "How is ordering a curry supposed to help us accomplish anything? Didn't you say that this was a matter of utmost importance that could save the world before you snatched me from my living room? Do you even know who I am? Also why do I have to wear this ridiculous cloak?" The girl might actually be less familiar with the older man than you had first thought she was as she fidgets with the cloak.

"Hold on, Master. I'm sorry that I couldn't explain more to you at the time, but this really is a matter of the fate of the world!" The older man chuckles a little awkwardly as he realizes he raised his voice a little too loud. Wait a second, Master? Could this man be a Servant? But... the only Servant of the Second Set that is unaccounted for is Assassin, and this guy just doesn't seem to be the type.

>Continue observing the duo.
>Go and talk to the two of them.
>Attack the older man with Ciel.
>Just ignore the two of them and leave the curry house.
>Write-in...
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>>4669794
is this Waver and Luvia?
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>>4669794
>Continue observing the duo.

And order some curry.
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>>4669802
Would Waver call Luvia "Master"?
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>>4669794
>>Continue observing the duo.
Karna should be around and Ciel is strong enough to fight against a servant, especially with immortality, right now we have the advantage
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>>4669802
Much too short to be Luvia. More like a child's height.
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>>4669794
Well it could be another case of class override, but maybe he meant the Master in different context?

>Continue observing the duo
>Ask Ciel if she wants another helping and go order some for better look and excuse to stick around.
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>>4669794
Go and talk to the two of them
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Could Kiritsugu have gotten himself roped into the Assasin role?
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>>4669794
>Continue observing the duo.

It's odd that she'd ask if he even knows who she is if he's really her Servant.
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>>4669794
>>4669817
Supporting this.
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>>4669822
no since this guy doesn't sound suicidally depressed
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34 minutes till call.
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>>4669817
>>4669794
That sound like it could have a potentially amusing result, sign me in.
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>>4669794
>>Continue observing the duo.
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>>4669839
Well maybe he heard his son and daughter are getting along.
Or maybe we went through with the suicide part in some capacity as part of his plan.
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>>4669817
+1
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>>4669817
support.
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>>4669817
supporting
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It's strange, while these two clearly aren't hostile as of yet, you feel the need to be wary around the two of them. Not so much the girl, even now you can tell that she's practically a non-threat, but the white cloaked man... The cloak is nondescript and plain, clearly it doesn't really serve much of a purpose other than to obscure the identity of its wearer. It's a little impolite for the two of them to wear such things inside the curry house, but it's 4am and it's doubtful that the chef is going to really care either way. A quick exchange of glances with Ciel is all that you need to get across the point that you want to observe these two new arrivals. They could easily turn out to be threats, and with how Ciel is acting, they obviously aren't her allies, with any luck Ciel has her Servant nearby so if things do turn into a fight back-up won't be too far away.

The man puts a hand to his chin, though the cloak obscures his face to such a degree that you can't actually discern any of his features. Probably some form of enchantment "Look, I'm really sorry about this being so sudden, but it was sudden for me as well. I'd really have preferred not to have needed to be summoned at all, Master, but it's really for the best that you assist me in this. I can promise you that if things go well, I'll have you back home in England in no time at all!" The man seems to be trying to calm the girl down a little, but you don't know if it's working. Regardless, you go up to the counter and order yourself and Ciel another portion of curry while you observe the two newcomers, you aren't really that hungry, but Ciel ought to appreciate it at least.

The girl makes an irritated noise. "If you're my Servant, then doesn't that mean you have to do as I command you?" So the two really are Master and Servant then? "Can't I just order you to take me back home?" The girl asks her Servant, seemingly not wanting any part of what she has apparently been dragged into unwillingly.

"Not really, no." The man in the white cloak shrugs. "That would really only work if you had normal command spells, and it looks like you might have gotten a little unlucky in that regard." The girl suddenly looks at her left hand, and a faint purple glow lights up a pattern on her palm. in the center of the pattern is a diamond, above it is an upwards pointing arrow. The two smaller shapes are surrounded by an odd winged pattern. "As a result of my summoning, those command spells can only be used to empower me, not to bend me to your will." Purple Command Spells? What on Earth? What sort of variant of Command Spells are they?
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The girl seems to be on the verge of throwing a tantrum, and it's impressive just how much she's willing to unintentionally reveal to the room, though you suppose that she must not think she'd be in the presence of other English speakers. "First you show up from the weird broken summoning circle my father made, then you just... pick me up and suddenly we're in Japan! You're the worst Servant ever!" There's no doubt about it, the girl is definitely a child.

"I've been called worse. But... Master, you need to understand that you are the key to saving the world! I would not have been summoned as I have been today for no reason, I assure you." The man's voice is terribly charismatic, you notice. In fact, there's a strangeness to his voice as he tries to convince his master, almost as if his words alone have a calming effect.

The girl does not seem pleased by the words of her Servant, and she simply crosses her arms before she seems to give up. "Fine... Get me the Chicken Katsu Curry, the same as you're having." The girl finally relents in her tantrum, whether it be from the man's charming voice or the lure of food brought about through hunger, you are unsure.

"Very well, Master." The man gets up, and for a moment, you feel as if you are being smirked at by the man. For some reason, it pisses you off. Whoever this guy is, he might be a Servant, but it's unlikely he was summoned for the Holy Grail War, in fact it seems more likely that he was summoned by somebody else entirely to take care of some sort of business in Japan. But what could bring him to this building specifically? IT seems like an almost impossible coincidence unless you were being sought out by the man for some reason, but he has made no real effort to speak with you or even really acknowledge your existence other than what you thought was a slight smirk in your direction.

The two of them are separated now. Now would be a great opportunity to either speak to one of them, or attack one of them, you're still waiting at the counter and waiting for the curry to be prepared, and Ciel is still sitting down at the table. You could probably hit the man with a sort of pincer attack right now.

>Attack the man, he's clearly the Servant and the threat here.
>Attack the girl, she's clearly the weak link here.
>Go over to the girl and talk to her, you might be able to get some information from her.
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
>Ignore them both and finish up in the restaurant with Ciel.
>Write-in...
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>>4669967
>>Attack the man, he's clearly the Servant and the threat here.
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>>4669967
Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is. Nice weather we're having huh? Also I'd recommend getting it spicy black.
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So, how old is Olga Marie about now? And who voted against getting involved in the Case Files?
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>>4669967
>>Go over to the girl and talk to her, you might be able to get some information from her.
oh my fucking god this is Olga isn't it?
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yeah this is fucking Olga, look her up on the wiki, that's her command seal, Moneybills started his summoning research and Olga summoned a servant
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So I think it's safe to say there were differences in the Case Files as well. We never asked Waver what exactly happened, did we?
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>merryberry started summoning
>I know enough about who the fuck he summoned to at least theorize who that "servant" is

abort the fuck out of this shop.
get away.

that might be Solomon.
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>>4669967
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
And what business he has here.
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>>4669967
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
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>>4669967
>>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
He has good taste in waifus, clearly the guy is a bro.
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>>4669991
that can't be Solomon, Solomon was basically brain dead and without any personality before he became Romani
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>>4669967
If presumably this is Olga Marie. Then theres only one servant that man could be. Gallahad. The first ever servant summoned to Chaldea.

Also
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is
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>>4670002
I doubt it, Galahad has a stick up his ass
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>>4669967
>Go over to the girl and talk to her, you might be able to get some information from her.
Let's go say hi, we're a friend of Waver after all.
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>>4669999
You make a good point, but after 2 manakas show up I think anything's possible
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>>4670002
ffffffffffffffffuck you're right, this isn't solomon it's Gallahad.

Damn, does that mean mash is gonna be created soon? we should definitely go say hello
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>>4670024
i'm just saying the personality doesn't match, the guy purposely taunted us which doesn't fit Galahad or Solomon
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I need to go sleep, so I'll leave you with the mystery to solve.
I hope you enjoy it.
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>>4669999
It could still be Solomon, as he wasn't outwardly inhuman in his life, and I don't know any other servants that would be walking around with a little girl at this point in time.
Not to mention, he instantly got on Shinji's nerves, which is said to be a quality of Solomon.
Also, only a servant with high ranked Clairvoyance would know to seek us out in Misaki Town.
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>>4670033
it could be da vinci in a male body?
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>>4670048
so it could be merlin, solomon, caster gil?
Hell, caster gil would be fucking hilarious and scary.
what more servants has high level clairvoyance
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>>4669967
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.

Call me nuts, you wouldnt be far off, but could this be *us*?
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>>4669967
>Go over and talk to the man, opening with "If I take that off would you die?"
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>>4670243
No, but I have a feeling they're a similar type of person.
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>>4669967
>>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
Its Merlin. It has to be. What arthurian mythos reunion would be complete without the bastard himself?
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>>4670243
That's something I've imagined, the real Isekai!Bro coming from the future to flex on his seaweed haired self.
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>>4670243
i feel like if we became a servant, we would be a sociopath devoid of feeling and emotion
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Doing some refresher reading on Olga and her wiki page must have been written by an actual SEAmonkey, its almost illegible in some parts. Its definitely her CS though.

We need to make sure Lev dies or purge him of Flauros so Goetia never happens. Probably worth contacting Waver at some point to check how Lev is going at the clock tower, if he hasn't offed himself yet that's an issue.
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>>4670263
Lev usually commits suicide in most timelines, if he doesn't he has to die
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>>4670263
>>4670265
lev suicides so he can return to the temple of solomon or something, but if he's awakened we absolutely need to kill him immediately and put a fucking stop to the shit he's up to
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The Chaldea wiki page isn't complete garbage and has some important canon dates for events which people should read up on.

https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Chaldea_Security_Organization

Also, Chaldea has been manufacturing test tube babies since the year 2000 for the demi servant project at this point. Chaldeas has been up and running magicscience programs since the 1950s by this point. Lev built SHEBA in 1999, so they've had access to a global surveillance program for the last 6 years and Shinji could have very well been under the scope after starting to use Truth magic if SHEBA picked that up as an anomaly. SHEBA was built by Lev purposely so Goetia could keep track of his pillars and reign them in if need be.

The FATE system was completed in 2004, the current in story year so Chaldea definitely has access to summons. Solomon, Galahad and Leonardo were their first 3 summoned in respective order. In canon Solomon was summoned in 2004, Galahad in 2010 and Leonardo in 2012. So assuming this is as canon its Solomon.

Interestingly a few lovecraftian entities are analogous or effectively demons within the Ars Goetia, so expect more cosmic horrors.

We also need to ensure not to literally create the Singularity F zone as this Fuyuki war comes to a head, as WhatIs could easily direct the story towards Shinji having been the cause of it as its still unexplained in canon.
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Because its Solomon we actually can offer him something he wants. He just wants to live a normal life as a human and not as a tool of God. We could Truth that into happening without use of the grail ritual in exchange for some help dabbing on Manaka.
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>>4670292
>Lev already has sheba up
>Nyarly is up and about
>fuyuki Singularity is a possibility
>the crypters are 100% active

okay fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I thought we had more time!
we need to start grabbing our servants from manaka ASAP because things are not good if Lev knows about us and we have A N Y T H I N G to do with his or merryberry's plans
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>>4670270
i thought he an heroed because he didn't want to become a demon pillar
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>>4670270
No, lev suicides because he discovers the plan and prefers to kill himself than to let it happen, its what happens in almost every timeline, thats why goetia plan just don't happen.
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>>4670322
>we now have to fight people like wodime and daybit
jesus fucking christ, wodime alone almost backstabbed a alien god of absurd power and daybit finds a way to summon a grand servant somehow.
of course, wodime may be someone we can bring to our side, he isnt a lost cause because of his backstory.
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>>4670343
Beryl is a cunt, Pepe is based and probably Abe no Seimei in disguise. Akuta is another elemental for the harem, Kadoc is a harmless simp.

At this point a lot of the A team are really young and literal children. It'd just be a matter of ensuring their backstories don't end up as shitty as they were in canon or if you're really paranoid have one of the casters or Touko just turn off their magic circuits so they can never summon and enjoy dealing with some mass produced Chaldea homunculus demiservant troop instead.
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>>4670261
That sent a really terrifying image through my mind of a SHINJI with no bonds or desire to see others happy, leading him to truly embody the worldview that everything is falsehood.
>>4670322
>okay fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I thought we had more time!
Might as well be the tagline for this quest, things are moving much more quickly than anticipated.
I had hoped that we'd only have to deal with Tsukihime and Stay Night plus mandatory shenanigans at this point in time, but now it's looking like we're going to have a lot more on our plate.
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>>4670362
All the Chaldea stuff was always happening in the background, everyone has just zeroed in on the immediate Fuyuki surroundings and making loadsamoney on stonks during time skips rather than worrying about actual global and temporal catastrophies.

Marisbury actually wishes for money in his Fuyuki win in canon though, we could always make contact from here and fund it in a controlled way so that Chaldea does happen but under Shinji's watch.

When stuff doesn't follow a canon narrative Shinji loses his pseudo clairvoyance. Some things might have to happen as they did with training wheels on to ensure shit doesn't continue to blow up.

And this basically follows the same route of every other important "clairvoyant" character across heaps of stories where whatever you do you ultimately can't protect everything and some events just happen, e.g. the fall of Camelot.
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>>4670362
I don't even think a servant version of us would be SHINJI or MATOU, it would be something else entirely since we're not technically Shinji, we're something else that's using his body as a skin suit
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>>4670363
we could've done something about it but most of you fuckers skipped case files because you were impatient
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>>4670377
Nah, we are Shinji, and Shinji is us.
It's not like we pulled a Roa and shoved his mind into the basement, we became one dude.
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>>4670388
I just think that if we ended up being a servant, we would end up completely discarding the name Shinji like EMIYA discarded his name in Extra, it no longer matters and there's no point in keeping it
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>>4670396
Fair enough, I just wanted to put a name to what that would be.
Still, it makes me wonder just how a scenario like that would play out.
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I've been looking up stuff about Kiara, she might already be born now, in Extra she was likely born a a year or two after FSN but in FGO she's 25 in 2017 so if that's true, we gotta go nab us a sick child from a cult
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"s-senpai! t- thats Beast 2! that is she doing in this singularity?!"
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If we end up in Singularity F, there better be something cooler to fight than fucking skeletons.
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>>4670354
kadoc might have simped, but he simped hard and true. At least his servant liked him too, and I'd definitely like to try and get him and ana together in some way.

poor guy really deserved better.
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>>4670292
>We also need to ensure not to literally create the Singularity F zone as this Fuyuki war comes to a head, as WhatIs could easily direct the story towards Shinji having been the cause of it as its still unexplained in canon.
I believe this has been raised in an earlier thread and OP suggested it would’ve happened if we chose to bolt with Monika earlier so the war has been fucked from the start. Of course that doesn’t preclude us from having unwittingly made it worse.

We really need to work on setting up some supernatural surveillance and intel gathering of our own.
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>>4670541
I really wonder what caused that catastrophe though, it wasn't Sakura I'm pretty sure, she would’ve just fallen for Shirou like normal and maybe have a more level head without an abusive brother, but something still happened
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At this rate final boss will be Alberich looking for snacks to do his doot
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>>4669967
>Go over to the girl and talk to her, you might be able to get some information from her.
Hi Olga!
>>4670575
What's he going to do? Job at us? Get betrayed by one of his useless allies? Autistically screech at us?
Just throw King Mo at him and laugh at him as he dies.
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>>4670634
Actually when I think about it our own faction is far superior to Jobberich's in both quantity and quality.
Medea and Morgan should both be better at spellcasting than Circe.
Touko would fucking destroy the useless oni with tremendous ease.
Avalon Saber vs Saber Alter lol.
Hitler loli would job hard to Ibaraki and Shuten.
Loli Medusa jobs to Breaker Gorgon.
Alberich himself probably dies to a good ol Blade of Truth.
The rest of Alberich's allies are worthless noncombatants.
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We need to become physically powerful ASAP.
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I hope we get to summon Brochilles later on.
That's a hell of a Catalyst.
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>>4670673
What about Cauliflower?
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>>4670675
If we wanted to summon a vegetable we'd need to use you as a catalyst.
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How would we convince somebody like Medea or Tamamo to agree to be in a harem?
Will we need some sort of schedule where we treat one woman as our wife a day?
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>>4670701
Shinji makes each of his wives a doll to Touko's level of verisimilitude and the girls hold weekly tournaments (with rotating rules to not favour any one participant) over who gets dibs on the Prime.


(for the record, I'd much prefer a monogamous relationship with Medea, Satsuki or maybe Monika to a harem ending)
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>>4670703
Idem. Tbh, i fucking hate the idea of a harem ending and just wish it would backfire.
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>>4670703
Does anyone actually want a harem ending? I figured we all agreed someone should win the Shinjibowl, we just can't agree on which one.
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>>4670703
>dolls on Touko's level
I thought that our puppets were kinda shitty and need our direct instruction to he useful. Not sure if Shinji Sex Dolls are what they would want.

>>4670705
Kneel before the Haremchads, monogamycuck. We would break too many hearts if we went that route now.
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>>4670433
The fun moment where Gudako keep throwing quartz at Shinji asking him to come home.
>>4670575
>>4670634
>>4670644
The most fun moment of that encounter would be Alberich getting his fancy sword broken by Truth or by Shiki.
Or if we had picked Circe earlier watching his reaction to that meeting.
>>4670659
Shinji is already at peak human limit. If anything we should have Natural Body by now.
We either need to finally hone bajiquan with Li Shuwen and work on Snake Style.
Or grab Self-Modification and Monstrous Strength go beyond human level.
>>4670701
Tamamo is a member of a harem in Extella.
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>>4670707
I would like for us to get the harem ending but ending up with 3-5 girls is fine with me as well we kind of already led too many girls on with all of our hugging and flirting. Getting the monogamy ending would be quite hard since most of the women who likes us are yanderes who are also powerful.
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Will call the vote and start writing in 47 minutes.

Good morning.
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>>4669967
>Go over to the man and talk to him, you're curious as to just who this guy is.
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>>4670725
Hey, WhatIs, can you tell us how would Circe meeting with Medea went if we got her?
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>>4670748
The two would've gotten along through a shared dislike for two-timing legendary Greek sailors.
And y'know also because of their blood relations and both being students of Hecate when it comes to their magic.
Just so long as Circe didn't decide to fall in love with you.
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>>4670754
>no fractionism yet
And here I was hoping you had this in store for us given how Arc took Satsuki under her wing.
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>>4670758
That would require everyone to actually get the chance to know each other.
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>>4670754
>spoiler
Oh fuck, we're terrible with that.
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>>4670771
At least we are not going after full yanderes. Girls only become them after meeting us.
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>>4670748
wasn't medea taught by circe?
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>>4670795
This is why I mentioned fractionism.
If they were to love same man with that amount of other contenders it seems natural that they would form a team to get ahead of the others.
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>>4670707
Half the thread wants harem
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>>4670802
Sakura is kind of making an effort to get to know Satsuki and Arc pretty much owns Satsuki, so its kinda happening
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>>4670795
Circe and Medea were both taught by Hecate.
Circe was the senior apprentice.
Medea has a skill called 'Teachings of Circe' which is strange, but I think it only really represents how Medea, formerly (and at heart) a princess, was able to act as a Witch by emulating Circe's personality.

What's even more strange is that despite the skill calling Circe the true prodigy, at one point Romani calls Medea one of the five best magi in history (Where we can reasonably assume that Solomon, Merlin, and Morgan are hovering around top 3) and Circe only has High Speed Divine Words and Territory Creation ranked at B.

Dealing with these contradictions is just something you have to do sometimes.
My only guess is that while Medea continued having to rely on her magic when she lived as a Witch, Circe just kind of lazed about on her island and ate most of her visitors.
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>>4670807
I think I'd consider medea the better of the students. eating people kinda sounds like it would sour your chances at becoming a really high rank mage.
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>>4670807
I'm guessing its the same deal as with Merlin.
No real reason to improve if you're stuck in gay baby jail for eternity.
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You know what? You can't just pass up on the opportunity to find out just who this Servant is, and you really do doubt that you've ended up running into Assassin. After all, if this guy really was Assassin he would have to be simply the most incompetent Assassin to exist in the world to just blunder into a place with his Master in tow. Unless this is meant to be some kind of ruse. Though you really have no idea what kind of ruse would involve drawing attention onto himself.

You stay at the counter and wait for the man to come close, though he ignores you as he waits to get the attention of the chef who is supposed to be cooking the food right now, did he take a step out of the kitchen for a break or something? The cloaked man doesn't seem to be all that bothered by the absence of the chef and seems to be content to wait for his return.

"Hey. Do I know you?" You decide to keep your voice friendly as you initiate a conversation with the mysterious Servant. Whoever this guy is, you feel like you need to find out, just to make sure that he's not an immediate threat and you and Ciel aren't about to be plunged into a deadly battle with the guy.

The man doesn't turn to look at you as he responds, choosing instead to simply stare into the kitchen as he waits for the absent chef to come back. "You might. But we've not met." A simple and curt answer, and one that makes you feel like this guy here is pretty damn full of himself. But who could he be?

"Look, I know that you're a Servant, and I know that the girl over there is your Master. So are you going to tell me what you actually came here to do? If you came looking for a fight, I'm afraid I'm not really in the mood right now." Not to mention that your magical energy has barely started to recover and you don't really want to be forced to spend one command spell to teleport Betty to you and another to wake the girl up. Hopefully Ciel has Karna situated somewhere nearby so he can intervene should things turn violent. You wonder for a moment just what sort of abilities the demigod would have as an Archer.

The man doesn't turn to look at you even after that. "How much do you know about prophecies?" The man drums his fingers on the counter in boredom as he asks an odd question

"Prophecies? I don't really see how this has any bearing on what we were talking about. Who are you?" You don't really want to be forced into playing some stupid game with the Servant, and would really much prefer if he would just attack or at least tell you who he is so you can get a better idea as to just who you're up against here.

"If you play along, I'll tell you." You can't see his face, but you know that he's definitely smirking behind the concealment of that white cloak of his right now. Already you don't like this guy very much, it seems like he's just taunting you because he is able to. You feel like you shouldn't rise to his taunts.
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"Fine." You begrudgingly agree to playing whatever stupid game this Servant has planned out for you, though for some reason you still really want to punch him in the face. "I know a fair bit about prophecies, and about how only those who can see or know of the future are capable of writing them."

"No, no, no!" The man raises his voice as he rejects your answer. "No. To say that only those who know the future are capable of writing a prophecy is incorrect, not to mention that the mere act of seeing a future doesn't actually mean that it will always occur, I wouldn't call you a prophet, for example." You tense up a little bit as he reveals he might know more about you than he's letting on. "Anybody can make a prophecy, and if you make it vague enough, or if you set it far enough into the future, then you'll never be found out as a fraud... But that wouldn't be a true prophecy either." The man is still being vague and cryptic, and it's annoying you more and more.

"Then what are you saying is a true prophecy?" As annoying as the man is being right now, you can't deny that you are a little bit interested in just what he's talking about. It's the sort of nonsensical babble that might be able to teach you something interesting.

"Well, obviously, a true prophecy can only be made by somebody who is able to decide on what the future will bring. A true prophecy that is incapable of being broken." He shrugs. "Though for somebody to be able to do that, well I guess they'd need to be acting with the full authority of something like an all-powerful God." The man shrugs, you're really not liking the vibes that this guy is giving off, he seems dangerous, and not just in the overwhelming power sense.

"Very informative. But what relevance does this have to your identity as a Servant?" You've played along, hopefully he'll actually decide to tell you who he is now.

"What relevance does it have...?" The man reaches a hand up and scratches the side of his face. "Is it too much to ask to wish to discuss magical concepts with my fellow magi? You don't need to always be so serious when it comes to stuff like this you know." The man drops his voice to a whisper. "You didn't seem so serious when you were conversing with Alaya." You tense up again as the man reveals he has knowledge of something he definitely should not have!

"Who... are you?" You repeat your question. You're too surprised by his knowledge of you to do anything else.
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"Somebody who has been keeping an eye on you from afar." The man shrugs. "Now, you wanted to see the relevance of prophecies in regards to my identity?" The man pulls off his hood, and your eyes widen as you look upon the face of none other than Merlin himself! "Allow me to show you! 'In three seconds, Shinji Makiri and Ciel suddenly found themselves standing in front of the Tohno Mansion.'" His voice seems to reverberate with the world around you, and the man simply smiles at you as you struggle to formulate a response to his actions. Then you simply seem to cut to standing in front of the Tohno Mansion, just as he had said you would.

"Who... was that?" Ciel is clearly worried about what just happened, and you clench your teeth in annoyance. Merlin, but not just Merlin as a typical Caster, no. This Merlin is apparently acting with the full authority of a Grand Servant! But... you have no idea just what sort of ability he used, nor were you capable of even viewing his statistics! Is he an enemy? Or is he on your side? Is he an agent of Alaya's will? In that case why would he be so antagonistic towards you? Could he disagree with Alaya's wishes? Does a Grand Servant have the agency to be in conflict with the wishes of the Will of Mankind?

>Tell Ciel the identity of the man.
>Tell Ciel that you don't know who it was.
>Ignore Ciel, go and find Morgan as quickly as you can.
>Return to the Curry House immediately.
>Write-in...
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>>4670887
merlin you son of a bitch
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>>4670887
>Ignore Ciel, go and find Morgan as quickly as you can.
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>>4670887
>bring Ceil, find E V R Y O N E
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>>4670887
>>Tell Ciel the identity of the man.
>Rush to find Morgan
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>>4670887
>Ignore Ciel, go and find Morgan as quickly as you can.
Merlin is going to get punched in the dick, repeatedly.
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Getting real sick of getting ragdolled through timespace like that. We should do something about that.
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>>4670896
Try wearing your bracelet.
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>>4670887
>Tell her it's Merlin, probably as a Grand Caster
>Rush to Morgan, bring Mordred and tell them about it.
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>>4670887
>Tell Ciel the identity of the man.
>Tell her to bring Karna in
>Have an emergency meeting
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>>4670887
>Tell Ciel the identity of the man, go and find Morgan as quickly as you can.
I'd as suggest we call someone folks from the mansion to help...deal with whatever fuck shit this is.
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>>4670887
And I was sure that was Solomon.

>Tell Ciel the identity of the man
>Wake-up Mordred, tell her to find Morgan while we go fetch Saber.
Time for a full reunion.
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>>4670910
>while we go fetch Saber.
And then we walk into Shirou shoving his Excalibur in Saber's Avalon.
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>>4670911
It's 5am, Shirou can't possibly have that much stamina.
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>>4670914
Don't underestimate autism sword endurance.
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>>4670910
>>4670887
Support, this is much worse than Solomon and Galahad
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>>4670898
And deal with Gilgamesh right away?
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it actually makes a lot of sense that its Merlin, he can self summon, he's involved with Chaldea and he's probably gonna have to get involved because of the multiple Beasts running around
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30 minutes till call.
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>>4670910
+1
>>4670910
Yeah, Merlin shouldn't even be a Grand at this point, which makes me wonder about what happened to Solomon as the position is only supposed to open when the existence of Solomon fades from the world.
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>>4670919
Well Gil would appear if we go see the Manakas while wearing his NP. Outside of this situation it should just protect us for this kind of forced teleportation.
>>4670922
>Tiamat
>Morgan
True, we now have technically two potential Beasts with ut.
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Shame Altrouge never left her phone number.
We could have asked her to give phone to her dog for a minute.
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>>4670886
>No. To say that only those who know the future are capable of writing a prophecy is incorrect, not to mention that the mere act of seeing a future doesn't actually mean that it will always occur, I wouldn't call you a prophet, for example
he makes a good point, if we were a prophet, Sakura would've necked us already or Illya would've had Berserker rip us in half
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>>4670924
Well, Marisbury is supposed to have abandoned Olga Marie and his plans in this timeline after realising that the Fuyuki Grail is corrupted. Things aren't going as we expected in England for sure.
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>>4670926
Morgan doesn't have Beast potential, Primate Murder, however, does, he might be key to beating him since he managed to domesticate him in FGO
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>>4670929
There were only supposed to be 7 servants plus Gil too, now there are like 25, Moneybills clearly changed his mind now
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>>4670929
>>4670933
Yeah, but none of that explains why Solomon would hang up his rings and peace out.
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>>4670910
Support. We need to reunite the round table bros.
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>>4670938
maybe Moneybills already summoned Solomon or is in the process of doing it now, he used another summoning circle for Merlin all the way in England, who's to say he doesn't use it for Solomon
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>>4670938
Did he? Marisbury may not have summoned Solomon at all. We know absolutely nothing about how things shook out over there, and our previous assumptions were demonstrably incorrect.
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There are 27 solid reasons for things to be different.
And we can contact Zelretch on this matter.
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>>4670950
I wonder if Enhance will show up, he hates vampires too
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>>4670945
>>4670947
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the position of Grand Servant appointed by the World itself?
My understanding is that as the first magus, Solomon holds the position of Grand Caster until he abdicates the position or the existence of Solomon leaves the World entirely.
That is what I'm concerned with, as just deciding to summon Merlin rather than Solomon wouldn't make Merlin Grand Caster.
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>>4670957
Merlin is stated to be a Grand Caster candidate so he can be summoned as such
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>>4670950
Oh right, because Zepia became Night of Wallachia in this timeline, Atlas has a different director.
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>>4670957
Honestly, no idea. I never bothered with Grand Order. I just know that the Case Files as we know them are pretty much incompatible with GO, and that was a plot point during Olga Marie's appearance and her later friendship with Reines.
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>>4670887

>find morgan, also ask how its possible Merlin could have escaped Avalon when conversing with her.

So Merlin manifested himself for Chaldea? That means something happens soon that causes enough damage to let him escape Avalon.
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>>4670962
Pretty much everything is fundamentally incompatible with GO.
Even the basic timeline is messed up seeing as the first grail war in their timeline takes place in 2004
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>>4670955
Two hardest to kill Dead Apostle Ancestors are dead in a single day. One erased from reality.
Arcueid is back in business and Altrouge fleeing with her faction without even putting on a direct fight.
This is going to rouse others.
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>>4670967
well in FGO, the servant system was based on what the world uses for summoning Grand Servants i'm pretty sure, unlike in FSN where the servant system was created by the 3 families, so i assume there was much less trial and error but more time needed to really perfect things. Then Solomon nuked Fuyuki
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If it all really escalating into such a massive conflict between many plotlines I am offended that Outer Gods yet to do proper bargain apart from gifting us narcoleptic loli and a formal introduction done by Nyarly.
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>>4671029
Elder gods are not known for their sense of urgency.
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"That... That was Merlin, and I believe that he's got the powers of a Grand Caster at his disposal as well." But... Grand Caster? Shouldn't Solomon have been summoned if there was meant to have been a Grand Caster summoned? You don't like this at all. You'll need to find out from somebody just why Solomon wasn't summoned as Grand Caster and why Merlin was. After all, unless he gave up on the role or was erased from the throne, it should be impossible for anybody else except Solomon to be summoned as Grand Caster!

"Merlin...? Grand Caster?" Ciel frowns. "This war is getting more and more complicated by the day, isn't it?" Ciel seems fed-up with the craziness of the Grail War already. To be fair it was just supposed to be a simple affair. Seven Servants and Seven Masters with a lurking leftover Servant from the last war. Then there was the altered set of Servants at the temple, and the second set of Servants spread throughout Fuyuki, and now it seems that there are even more Servants being summoned. Not to mention Manaka under the grail, or whatever the hell Alan is up to... At least you managed to get Tsukihime squared away relatively easily and very quickly. You did it in such a way that it appears to have managed to get Altrouge to stop bothering you for a while as well!

"You're telling me, a few hours ago, Morgan le Fay was summoned." Ciel's frown deepens at the mention of an equally powerful spellcaster compared to Merlin, yet she refrains from commenting about it. "I don't know just what Merlin is up to, but we need to be wary around him. Whatever he's planning we shouldn't let our guards down around him again." While you somehow doubt that Merlin actively has malicious intent for you, you think that he may have taken either an immediate dislike to you or he might just be able to derive enjoyment out of annoying you. Neither of which are really ideal for you.

"This war is such a damn mess." Ciel can't even try to disguise her true thoughts on the matter, and at this point you'd have to be out of your mind to disagree. There's so much stuff going on in this war, but you feel like you can safely trace a lot of the goings-on back to Manaka in the grail. She was probably the one behind the Second Set of Servants as well as definitely the one behind altering the Servants from the last war. You find yourself glad that no Servants have been killed to your knowledge thus far. After all, if Manaka could bring back the deceased Servants of the Fourth War, is there anything stopping her from managing the same with any Servants that die in this war? You don't know, and that worries you.
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"I know, Ciel. But we'll just have to deal with it." You smile at Ciel. "I can count on your help, right?" You'd really much prefer her to be a direct ally than an indirect ally, after all, an indirect ally isn't exactly that much help in a fight, and for somebody as powerful as Ciel, you'd much prefer her fighting with you. Especially seeing as she is one of the few magi on the planet who can actually use a Servant like Karna to his maximum.

Ciel hesitates for a moment before answering. "You can." You don't know just what the reason for her hesitation was, but it's fine. She's probably still coming to terms with the fact that she's going to be leaving the Church soon. She must feel like she can do more good working for you than she can by working with the Church. You suppose that the dogma of the Church might sometimes get in the way of doing the right thing, after all.

"Right. Well then." You open up the doors of the Tohno Mansion, still taking care not to slam them. While you're going to wake Mordred up anyway, it's not like you want to wake her up so suddenly. Ciel follows you as you creep back inside the mansion, and mercifully, it looks like Mordred is still asleep on the sofa. You walk over to her and gently nudge her arm, hoping that will be enough to wake the girl up. Of course, it's not, so you decide that you might need to try a little harder. "Mordred, I need you to wake up." You keep your voice low and quiet, still not really wanting to startle the girl.

Unexpectedly, one of her arms lashes out, and she grabs your hand with one of her own, and even while she's still asleep, pulls you towards her and you end up landing on top of the girl. Who still hasn't woken up. "What are you doing?" Ciel also keeps her voice quite as you start struggling to get off of Mordred, who has somehow managed to wrap both of her arms around you in her sleep. What is it with you and sleeping girls? Maybe you should just stay away from women when they are sleeping in the future, it always seems to end up going something like this.

"I was trying to wake her up." This situation is... well, you don't know how Mordred might react if she wakes up and finds herself in a position like this. You're glad at least that Mordred is only wearing her casual clothing and not her armor. You'd be immensely uncomfortable if you found yourself in that position, after all. "You think I did this on purpose? She's dozens of times stronger than I am." You really don't know if you'll be able to get off of Mordred right now. You'd need some pretty incredible luck in order to break out of her grip without waking her up.

"Do you... need some help?" Ciel asks with concern in her voice. Clearly not knowing how she should take this current situation.

>Accept Ciel's help in extracting yourself from Mordred's grip.
>Decline her help and try to escape Mordred without waking her (Roll Dice)
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
>...Kiss Mordred?
>Write-in...
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>Accept Ciel's help in extracting yourself from Mordred's grip.
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>>4671055
>Ki-
Haha Nope.

> Just try to wake Mordred up.
No bullshit, there’s enough hitting the fan already.
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>>4671055
>>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>>Accept Ciel's help in extracting yourself from Mordred's grip.
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.

Incidentaly, we keep assuming Manak brought back the deceased 4th Grail War servants as alters. Why is it that we have not considered the possibility she brought all those summoned and has a spare Gil Alter in her pocket? There are two Sabers running around, after all.
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>>4671100
Gil can't be altered because ????.
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>>4671101
Gil couldn't be altered by Angra Mainyu. By summoning one or two sets of extras, Manaka has proved she is leagues stronger.
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>>4671106
Eh, I still can't see it happening.
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>>4671055
...Kiss Mordred?
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Tired of all these mother fucking pussies in this mother fucking thread.
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>>4671055
>> Just try to wake Mordred up.
>>4671138
Its not that we're pussies, I just don't feel like going through a "Kyaaaa Hentai!" and slap scene with Mordred or worse getting stabbed by her. Or even worser having Sakura somehow see us and getting vored by her. Mordred can be a good waifu, but Sacchin deserves to be happy for once.
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>>4671151
Remember last time we kissed an unconscious woman? I'm glad people are learning the right lessons.
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
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>>4671055
>Just try to wake Mordred up.
>>4671138
Mordred is clearly warming up to us, why do you want to fuck it up? And with Ciel watching too.
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>>4671182
What's wrong with a kiss on the forehead?
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>>4671183
What's the point of kissing her?
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>>4671184
To raise to that 100 affection.
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>>4671186
I am sure you could do that in a proper setting and not when she's sleeping like a creep.
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>>4671187
And the khv shows himself
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>>4671190
khv?
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>>4671191
Kissless hugless virgin
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>>4671202
Really? For refusing to kiss a sleeping woman we aren't in a relationship with?
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>>4671215
Dude you're an autist who's never been in a relationship. Everyone can tell.
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>>4671219
Pretty sure you are confusing me with someone else but whatever, I don't want to shit up the thread.
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everyone on /qst/ is a single, lonely neckbeard, just accept that you're not any different and assume everyone here is the same.

now, moving on, yeah?
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>...Kiss Mordred?

Not a neckbeard but I think we should have initiative.
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Called?
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>>4671315
Mhmmmmmmmm
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How did we get the short end of the stick, Shirou is probably plowing his hot fiance all night long and we're running around and getting involved with dick wizards and nuns
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"Hey, Mordred. Mordred!" You finally raise your voice. While it might be a nice hug right now, with her strength, she could very easily crush you with one wrong movement, and while you might be able to heal from a few broken bones, you're pretty certain that you'd die if you were to have your spine mangled like that, the damage would simply be too great. Though in general, the only stuff that you can't readily heal from are head wounds and heart wounds, like the two spiritual cores of a Servant, you have two major weaknesses to your regenerative abilities. Regeneration is no good if you die from your wounds before you can heal them, after all. The girl begins to stir slightly, and you decide to keep talking. "Mordred, you've managed to grab hold of me in your sleep, could you please let me go?"

"Uh... Advisor...? What are you doing?" Mordred's eyes slowly open and she sees that she's managed to envelop you in an odd sort of hug. "What happened?" Mordred seems completely bewildered by how things ended up like this, well, you suppose that you shouldn't have been trying to wake up Mordred in the first place if you didn't end up sneaking out tonight to meet Ciel.

"As I said, I was trying to wake you up and you managed to seize me in your sleep, I've been quite unable to move as a result." Mordred finally gets the message and lets you go, and you quickly untangle yourself from the girl and get back to your feet. "We've... got something that might be a problem."

Mordred slowly begins to sit up while she rubs her tired eyes. "A problem? And... who's that?" Mordred's eyes soon lock on to the unfamiliar face that has entered the Tohno Mansion. She's as sharp as ever, it seems.

"Ah, this is Ciel. Master of Second Archer, Immortal, Second Overseer of the Fifth Fuyuki Grail War, current Seventh Member of the Burial Agency and our newest ally. Ciel, this is Mordred Pendragon, daughter of Arturia Pendragon, Knight of the Round Table, wielder of Caliburn, and Rightful and now acknowledged King of England..." You introduce the two girls to each other without any hesitation. Best to get that out of the way first so Ciel knows just who she's talking to. It's not like Mordred is going to go by the name Saber anymore anyway... Not that you ever really thought of her as Saber all that much anyway, it's pretty difficult to clear the mental association of just referring to Arturia as Saber.

"R-right." Ciel is clearly thrown off her guard by you suddenly launching into full introductions. "Well, what Shinji said was correct, I am here to act as an ally, this war is way too much of a mess for me to allow it to continue... I might've ended up calling the Burial Agency in their totality in order to clear things up if I didn't come across Shinji." Scary thought, you'd really hate to have to deal with the Burial Agency.
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>>4671055
Mordred is best girl/boy
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"Right, and speaking of this war... Well, you know how we summoned Morgan a few hours ago...?" You don't really know how you're going to bring Merlin showing up into the conversation here, but you suppose that you should probably just get it over with and reveal it.

"Did my Mother do something?" Mordred has a frown on her face, her faith in her own mother must be pretty damn rock bottom if she immediately assumed that the woman must've done something bad the moment her name was brought up. You really hope that Morgan is actually being sincere in her wishes to make amends, otherwise you don't care if she thinks that she's invincible or unkillable, what she's not taking into account is the existence of Shiki within this house. Sakura should also be able to prevent her from coming back to life if she really does betray Mordred and you. You're willing to give the woman one chance, but if she ruins her chance, then she'll have to die once and for all.

"On the contrary, your mother, as far as I am aware, is currently innocent of any crimes." And she'll stay that way if she knows what is good for her. "But it's not Morgan who I'm concerned about..." Mordred raises an eyebrow, she's clearly intrigued by where you're going with this conversation, and you suppose that you've tried to build up to it for long enough. "Well... It turns out that Merlin has also somehow managed to be summoned, and... he might be our enemy, possibly." You don't know just what Merlin's motives are right now, but he seemed happy enough to try to get on your nerves. Though with an ability like the one he used to teleport you, he probably could've thrown you into the Mariana Trench if he so wanted to... maybe. Whatever he used didn't feel like it was magecraft... Could it have possibly been some sort of Noble Phantasm?

"You're kidding right? Merlin is here too?" Mordred's face suddenly cracks into a wide menacing smile. "This is great news! I've always wanted an excuse to kick that flighty bastard's ass! In truth, I think most of the knights wanted to do so at least at once point." Mordred doesn't seem nearly as perturbed about the existence of Merlin in this war as you would've thought she'd have ended up being. Oh well.

"You're not at all concerned?" You're a little taken aback by Mordred's lack of concern about things. You had imagined that she would've been a little more concerned, but then again, it's not like Merlin actually ever used his full power for the sake of Camelot. He was mostly content in his advisory role. You don't actually know whether or not Mordred is aware of the destruction that Merlin can actually bring about as one of the best magi in history.
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"Why would I be?" Mordred punches her own palm as she continues smiling. "After he got himself trapped or killed or whatever, I never thought I'd get my chance to give him the beatdown he deserves!" Well, it's nice to see that Mordred at least is confident about the prospect of potentially having to fight a Grand Servant. Well if worst comes to worst you suppose you can always just try and throw Gilgamesh in Merlin's general direction. Grand Servant or not, there shouldn't be any single Heroic Spirit who is capable of defeating a Serious Gilgamesh outside of some unexpected gimmick. Even Avalon would've ended in failure for Saber had she not managed to catch Gilgamesh off guard with it, otherwise he could've simply kept his distance and waited for her to run out of magical energy.

"Well, I look forward to seeing that." You really can't suppress the smirk on your face at the idea of Mordred giving the show-off the beatdown of a lifetime. God knows that he's earned one after convincing Saber that he should totally help her in trying to produce an heir. What on Earth was he even thinking when he thought of that one? "However, we should still go and speak with your mother about this, if there's anybody who can deal with Merlin, it's probably going to be her." Your best bet at dealing with Merlin should he actually turn out to be hostile would probably be the Witch who was his greatest adversary, after all. "Now... Where exactly will we find your mother?" You need to find Morgan as quickly as possible so you can start to plan potential anti-Merlin countermeasures.

"I don't know, I told her not to let... Other Mother or... Shirou see her, but I didn't really specify much else. She's probably out in the garden though, if you want to go and look for her, I'd suggest we started there." Mordred helpfully suggests, well, there's probably not many people who know Morgan better than her own daughter.

"Hmm. Well, you'd probably know her best, but I realize that we might need to go and get Saber involved as well. Merlin is her advisor, after all." Saber does have a right to know now that Merlin has gotten himself involved, and you can't just hide the existence of Morgan from her indefinitely, after all, all that does is make it so that Morgan would have an easier time of everything if she does eventually end up betraying you.

"Then, you're saying that we should have Mother and Other Mother meet?" You really wish that Mordred would just call the two of them by their names when referring to the both of them in once sentence.
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"I am. Hopefully the two of them won't start fighting with each other, but hopefully it won't come to that, it's not like the two of them have a throne to fight over anymore... At least not until you reconquer Britain, that is." Mordred seems to be very serious about her plan of conquest, but you can't really blame her for not wanting to be a king without a country, especially when it will in truth not be all too difficult to crush the majority of resistance that would be presented by the country itself. It might be a different story for the Clocktower themselves, but with any luck you'll be able to avoid a direct conflict with them.

"Then... in that case, I'll go look for Mother now." Mordred doesn't sound entirely certain on this idea, but she's not complaining, you think that she might just want her two parents to get along with each other, even if she doesn't trust Morgan as far as she could throw her... which would probably be a few hundred meters at least... bad analogy.

"Ciel, you stay here, I'll return in a moment with Saber and her... fiance." You tell the girl to stay put as you head off into the mansion to go and fetch the two of them. This might end up being a disaster, but you were going to have to do this at some point eventually, so maybe it's better to do it sooner rather than later? You hope, at least.

After an uneventful walk through the halls of the mansion, you find yourself in front of Shirou and Saber's room, it's silent within, and the two of them are almost certainly asleep right now, you knock on the door, loud enough to wake somebody up, and after a brief pause, you can hear a voice from the other side. "Eurgh, it's 4:50AM. Whoever is knocking better have a damn good reason to do so." Shirou doesn't sound at all pleased by being awoken by your knocking, and uncharacteristically grumbles to himself about waking up.

>"Shirou, wake Saber up, her sister is here."
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Merlin is a potential enemy."
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
>"There's no time to explain, just wake Saber up and get out here!"
>Write-in...
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>>4671334
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, her sister is here."
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>>4671334
>>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
This mf gets engaged and already gets cocky
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>>4671334
>>"Shirou, wake Saber up, her sister is here."
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>>4671274
Looks like it
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>>4671334
Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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We need to remember that its implied merlin is a better swordsman than artoria and he can use excalibur.
Really hope merlin don't become our enemy, i like the dick mage.
>>4671334
>create a alarm clock and use it to wake shirou
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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>>4671424
he might be better but Artoria's stats overpower Merlin's barring he isn't a Grand Servant
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>>4671429
He also doesn't have a magic jet engine up his ass.
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I wonder how fucked we would be if someone like the first hassan was our enemy, pretty sure that guy can't die.
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>>4671437
It's more that he's practically an undead held together by sheer willpower and unbreakable faith.
He would need to have his body completely disabled in order to be killed.
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>>4671334
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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>>4671334
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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>>4671334
>>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."

We need to discuss Merlin’s possible motives, his capacities, implications of him being around and our options in dealing with him.

Although I’d really rather not antagonise him until we figure out what his game is. We have enough powerful enemies and potential enemies as it is and are horribly oblivious to the greater picture.

And we should probably call Waver it’s still evening in London right?
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>>4671334
>>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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>>4671334
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."
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>>4671334
>merlin and morgan have been summoned.

>>4671650
Should also ask Waver if Lev is still alive, Solomon is MIA as Grand Caster so we need an idea where Flauros is right now.
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>>4671334
>"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned."

>>4671650
We should have already asked him wtf happened in the Case Files.
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"Shirou, wake Saber up, Morgan le Fay and Merlin have both been summoned, and I feel like an emergency meeting is in order immediately so we can discuss how to proceed." You decide you may as well reveal everything to the two of them straight away. Of course, you didn't mention that Morgan is the one allied with you right now.

"What did you say?" You can hear Saber's voice from the other side of the door. Ah good, she's already awake, that means that you won't have to have Shirou wake her up after all. That's convenient. They must've both been woken up when you knocked on the door and Saber was just keeping quiet and letting Shirou deal with it.

"I said that I think you'd better get dressed and come to the lobby, Saber." She heard you perfectly and you know that she did. Otherwise she wouldn't have said anything at all. "We have important things to discuss, and I feel like you ought to be there for them. So meet me in the lobby when you're both dressed, alright?" Saber simply won't be able to ignore this, and as a result, neither will Shirou. Even if it is 4:30 AM, this sort of stuff requires immediate attention, while Morgan is hopefully not plotting anything right now, there's a high chance that Merlin is acting against you right now!

"Alright. Give us like five minutes, Shinji." Shirou's voice comes back through the door, and it seems like the two of them will be along shortly. Satisfied, you return to the lobby, once again walking through the quiet halls of the night time Tohno mansion in order to reach your destination.

By the time you've reached the lobby, you can see that Mordred has already successfully fetched Morgan, who has a frown on her face. Clearly she must've told her mother about the presence of Merlin in the world right now. Morgan likely assumed that Merlin would've been trapped in the tower of Avalon for eternity as he should've been as a result of being tricked into entering it by Vivian. She likely wasn't expecting the man to be capable of learning the Independent Manifestation skill in order to freely leave whenever he wanted to... and neither was Vivian, you imagine. In fact, if Morgan is still alive, shouldn't the same be true of Vivian too? Though she's probably still somewhere hidden away in England or some pocket dimension as Morgan must've been.

"So, Merlin managed to find a way to escape that tower?" Morgan seems to be musing aloud to herself. "Impressive, I hadn't thought that it would be possible to ever escape from the Tower of Avalon..." Morgan seems to be at least well informed on Merlin's prior situation, but apparently didn't count on the man being able to learn how to use Independent Manifestation, which as you understand it, is a skill that is granted to specific individuals like Beasts by the planet itself. Which might go a way to explain why she has it seeing as she's a fairy.
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Mordred looks like she's ready for a fight as she leans against a wall, probably imagining how she's going to kick Merlin's ass, or however she put it. You didn't expect the girl would have such a wish for revenge against Merlin of all people, but you suppose that Merlin managing to disappear at the most crucial moment in the existence of Camelot was as much a cause of it being destroyed as Mordred's rebellion. Had he not managed to get himself captured in a tower because of his own actions, he likely would've been able to prevent the battle of Camlann from obliterating the country. You aren't entirely certain of the time-frame, but you can imagine that it was Merlin disappearing that allowed Morgan to snatch Avalon away from Saber as well, which ultimately led to her death.

Ciel simply looks frustrated. Like she doesn't really know what's even going on anymore, and is only here for the Arthurian family drama because she was there when Merlin showed up. You have to admit, you aren't really looking forwards to the next few minutes very much either, so you can share her frustrations in a way. You had wanted to give Saber more time to relax before suddenly throwing more aspects of her past in her face. She was just about able to accept Mordred as her successor.

The door to the lobby opens once again, and out steps Saber, clad in her full armored dress, with Shirou standing behind her wearing his usual long sleeved t-shirt and jeans combo "Morgan." Saber's voice is chilling and cold as she looks her sister in the face, though she's not resorting to violence just yet, you can tell that she probably wants to draw Excalibur and cut the woman in twain right now. Maybe you should have mentioned Morgan was an ally? Well, she probably wouldn't have believed you had you said that anyway.

"Sister, I'm not here to fight or to cause you problems." Morgan quickly tries to defuse Saber's temper. "Mordred managed to summon me with a leftover summoning circle earlier tonight, so please understand that I am not going to be the enemy of either of you. I wish to apologize for the actions I took against you can Camelot in the past. I was young and foolish at the time."

Saber simply looks at Morgan for a few seconds, before making an annoyed sound. "I'll tolerate your presence for now, because if you're here and Merlin has been summoned, then that means..." Saber quickly comes to the realization that with Merlin as a potential enemy, it would be wiser to keep her sister around. After all, there's nobody else who should be capable of opposing Merlin in a battle of magecraft.
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"Yes, Merlin is our enemy, or at least somebody who is in some way opposed to what we want." While it's unlikely that Merlin has some sort of inclination to kill your faction or something, the very fact that he decided to reveal himself to you in such a way can only mean he's in some manner your enemy. Even if he's not interested in killing everyone. Then again, that sort of stuff really doesn't suit Merlin's personality anyway. You'll probably just have to wait to find out what the Magus of Flowers actually wants when you meet him again. Hopefully the bastard doesn't just try to teleport you away again. You were looking forward to that curry as well, and you imagine that Ciel was too.

"This is a problem indeed." Saber looks deep in thought. "Never had I imagined that Merlin himself would come to be opposed to me." Well, that's probably not quite true. You think that if anybody could successfully convince Merlin to stop his messing around, it would be Saber herself. After all, in a strange sort of way, Merlin is practically her father. He's the man who raised her and also the man responsible for her birth. So you can't really call him anything else. "So, does anybody have any plans of which to deal with Merlin if he has truly become opposed to us?"

>See if Morgan has any ideas on dealing with Merlin.
>See if Mordred has any idea on just how to deal with him instead.
>Ask Ciel if the Holy Church has any artifacts that would help against a half-demon.
>Suggest your own plan to deal with Merlin (What?)
>Write-in...
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>>4671907
>See if Morgan has any ideas on dealing with Merlin.
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>>4671907
>Tell them about parts of conversation Merlin had with his Master and tell them brief possibility of Marisbury and Chaldea intervention in War and possible absence of Solomon
>Then ask for their opinions on how to deal with Merlin in that light
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>>4671907
>Ask Morgan for insight on how Merlin used to operate
her intel might be outdated but she's probably most experienced of us in dealing with the man.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics after Morgan's done with her piece
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>>4671907

Actually let's do this first >>4671913
(switching from >>4671916)
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>>4671913
+1
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Calling in fifty minutes, cooking rn.
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>>4671913
Support
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>Tell them about parts of conversation Merlin had with his Master and tell them brief possibility of Marisbury and Chaldea intervention in War and possible absence of Solomon
>Then ask for their opinions on how to deal with Merlin in that light

Imma make some breakfast while I wait
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"Well, I overheard Merlin's conversation with his master, and it's... possible that his master is a young girl called Olga Marie Animusphere. The daughter of a man called Marisbury Animusphere." You aren't entirely certain, but based on the evidence you've had shown to you thus far, there's a chance that Merlin wasn't just summoned by any random magus after all. The attitude of the girl, the fact that her father had a broken summoning circle that Merlin was able to summon himself with, the fact that she lives in London... It all adds up, and right now you find the odds that this isn't somehow something to do with Chaldeas fairly unlikely. You find yourself irritated that you never bothered to look into the existence of Chaldeas earlier in your life, you had always assumed that it would never end up being an issue. Perhaps it was foolish of you never to look into Marisbury, you might've been better off if you had just hired Monica to assassinate him...

"And... who is this... Marisbury Animusphere?" Morgan asks, curious as to just what sort of relevance that this man might have to the summoning of Merlin. He's definitely a potential enemy that you hadn't envisioned would've ended up being a threat. You were hoping that the man was just going to give up on his ambitions of creating Chaldea and humbly fade into irrelevance, but this is far far more irritating. You might have to pay Chaldea a little visit after this war in order to put a stop to the threat they represent before they can potentially ruin everything. After all, for an organization that is so dedicated to the continued survival of humanity, they sure do seem to make a lot of poor quality hires, and they also seem to create way more problems than it fixes. The Incineration of Humanity? Marisbury's fault entirely.

"He's a man... a genius of magecraft. He's the one responsible for the creation of the Chaldea Security Organization, an organization dedicated to resolving threats to the continued existence of humanity, usually of the temporal variety... or at least that's the idea. I hadn't heard much about it, so I had assumed he was having difficulty finding funding or with the creation of one of his inventions." But to think that he was still trying to create a summoning system, well, it's a surprise, and not one that you're very welcoming of. "If my theory is correct, the summoning of Merlin is somehow linked to the existence of the Chaldea Security Organization as he's been summoned as Grand Caster, however... Grand Caster should have been Solomon, so something must've happened." What could've happened to Solomon though? Could he have somehow already used Ars Nova? Could he have renounced his title as Grand Caster? Or could there be another reason behind him not being Grand Caster?
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"Pfft." Morgan fails to stifle a giggle. "Merlin? Grand Caster?! That's a laugh. I wouldn't trust Merlin to cast a spell to boil an egg without botching the incantation and incinerating it!" Morgan seems to find the situation amusing at least. You aren't sure whether that reassures you or worries you.

"How does this Chaldea Security Organization link to Merlin though?" Saber decides to inject a little more seriousness into the conversation, clearly she's not happy about the presence of Morgan in the room, but she doesn't seem like she's ready to just attack her sister without any reason to do so just yet, and that alone is a relief. Infighting at a moment like this could be an absolute disaster, and you could really do without it.

"Well, one of the inventions that he was working on was a method to summon Servants so the summoning of Merlin is very likely to be somehow related to that." Thankfully, Chaldea should still be in its infant stages right now so it shouldn't actually be able to become that much of a threat to you. Not to mention that Merlin's Master mentioned that it was a broken summoning circle, so it likely wasn't able to function under normal circumstances and might've only been possible to use as a result of Merlin's Independent Manifestation... "Regardless, we might be up against a potentially very dangerous organization right now." Of course, you could always call Waver to see if he has any information on Chaldea for you. Knowing what Lev Lainur is up to right now could be very useful. You haven't really talked with Waver for a while now anyway, and you feel like you might be able to get some vital information from him right now.

>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
>Ask your allies if they have any ideas on what to do about Chaldea.
>Ask everyone if they have any ideas on how to put down Merlin and Chaldea.
>Reveal your own plan to destroy Chaldea. (Write-in plan)
>Write-in...
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>>4672001
>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
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>>4672001
>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
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>>4672001
>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
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>>4672001
>>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
It's probably better to confirm some things with the guy before we go running off entirely on assumptions.

In the meantime ask Morgan and Arthuria if they could try to piece together what Merlin might be interested in and what he's capable of doing.
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Since DAA have many grudges against each other and Altrouge was investigating Grail War could Marisbury been contacted by Van-Fem who wanted to use it to fuck with Altrouge and her faction? He could have given Marisbury money to jump start Chaldea and nudge him into specific direction.
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>>4672001
>>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
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>>4672001
>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.

Yeah, we really, really should have bothered to check what happened there before the Holy Grail War even began.
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>>4672001
>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
Forgot to vote.
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>>4672027
>Yeah, we really, really should have bothered to check what happened there before the Holy Grail War even began.
Man, I remember back in the first few threads there were people who kept screeching about how only FSN was canon and we only had to worry about the grail war and none of this other stuff would show up.
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>>4672038
Heh. I wonder if anyone who voted against us getting involved in the Case Files is still here.
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>>4672038
To be fair, that was when we were operating under the assumption that normal rules applied and the worlds were separate.
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>>4672044
>the worlds were separate
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>>4672042
Wasn't that in one of those clusterfuck votes we had back in the day?
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>>4672068
Yeah, I think there were about 34 votes in total.
There were a lot of dedicated samefags back then, but thankfully they seem to be gone after the hiatus.
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It should be around 12 Bong in the UK right now, so let's hope Waver isn't Out To Lunch.
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>>4672042
i only came later.
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>>4672001
>>Tell your allies to hold on while you give Waver a call.
>talk to saber about the spear
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Sorry was distracted by some urgent DIY work.
Called now.
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"Everyone, could you just hold on for a minute, I have a phonecall I need to make to my man in the Clocktower." You receive no complaints from your allies, though you don't even really know if Morgan knows what a phonecall is, it's not like she was summoned through the normal means and her knowledge of the modern world might not be as comprehensive as that of a normal Servant. You take your phone out of your pocket and quickly dial Waver, the phone dials a few times before it is answered.

"I'm not going to like whatever you're going to say, am I, Shinji?" The tired voice of the man comes through the phone in English. "What time even is it in Japan right now?" Waver is as friendly as ever, it seems.

"Not important right now, Waver. I need to ask you something." Waver is a smart man, and he probably already knows exactly what the time in Japan is right now, he's easily intelligent enough to have memorized the timezones around the world.

"Go ahead." He sounds happy enough to answer whatever questions you might have though, you wonder how much help that letter that you sent him about the threat represented by Heartless was. It's not important right now.

"Have you ever heard of a man called Lev Lainur? Close associate with Marisbury Animusphere. I believe that Marisbury might be trying to interfere with the war and Lev Lainur is very likely to be associated with it." Lev is the sort of person that needs to die regardless of whatever else ends up happening. Unless you can somehow separate the Demon God Flauros from him, which even you find to be terribly unlikely.

"Lev Lainur...? Never heard of him." Well, that's something of a surprise, you can't imagine Waver not knowing Lev if Lev was also at the Clocktower. What a strange mystery. "As for Marisbury, he mostly keeps to himself, he might be a fellow lord, but he seems to mostly lock himself away to focus on his research, he hasn't even bothered with his own daughter for three years." Yeah, that sounds like Marisbury alright. What a deadbeat asshole. "But there's been nothing that has led me to believe that Marisbury would do something like that, especially not after what happened to his last project. It's honestly a miracle he even managed to hold onto his title as a Lord after that." You weren't expecting this! What happened?

"Last project?" You try to get Waver to give you a more detailed answer. You find yourself almost cursing yourself for not looking into things that might've changed on the magical side, you should've put a lot more work into finding everything that was somehow different the moment that you met Altrouge and confirmed the existence of the Twenty Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors.
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"Something that the Animusphere family were putting a lot of money into back in 1990, some sort of headquarters in Antarctica? Apparently they were working on some sort of superweapon, but it was hushed up by the Association after an accident of some sort reduced the entirety of their Headquarters to a steaming crater of ice. All the evidence was incinerated too, so nobody can really tell what happened. Marisbury was away in London at the time too. Almost destroyed his reputation. Nobody knows what he's been working on since then." That sounds... bad. Marisbury cared more about CHALDEAS than he cared about his own life. The fact that it was destroyed is... not good. Could he have been trying to enter the grail war by setting up a summoning system even with the knowledge that the grail was corrupted? But what good would a wish made from a corrupted grail do?

"So what, he's just been locked away trying to create something new for all this time?" You really don't like the sounds of this, a desperate Marisbury trying to create something while hidden away? That certainly explains the broken summoning circle that Olga mentioned, could he be trying to create the FATE system of summoning Servants even though the grail war isn't worth fighting in? Is he that desperate?

"Seems like it, despite the resources that went up in smoke, the Animusphere are still one of the richest magus families around. That's about the only reason the man was able to hold onto his position as a lord." Waver doesn't seem to have that much more information for you about Marisbury Animusphere, but that's alright. He's given you enough information already.

You've got a lot to think about right now. The fact that something happened to Chaldea fourteen years ago is deeply concerning. Could it have been an attack? Who could've destroyed Chaldea? Could it have been an actual accident? Where is Lev? Did he perhaps die in the explosion that destroyed Chaldea? Why isn't Solomon Grand Caster? You've got so many questions and no answers. In fact, the only person who'll probably be able to give you half the answers you're looking for is either Merlin or Marisbury himself.

"Did you want anything else, or did you just call me to talk about one of the Clocktower Lords?" Waver doesn't seem to be very interested in a social call right now, he's probably quite busy, after all.

"Actually Waver..."

>"Nevermind, that was all."
>"How is Gray?"
>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."
>"Do you know anything about the missing Extra Ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor?"
>Write-in...
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>>4672237
>>"How is Gray?"
Let him know about the Arthurian Reunion going on.

>>Write-in...
>Ask him if Akaya Saijyo is there and if we can speak with her or if she has a number we can reach her at. Otherwise, ask him about her and Manaka.
According to Strange/Fake she's one of his students, and he knows/cares about her enough to panic and assume it's her in the grail war and figure out what she's going and where she is.

>>Write-in...
>Tell Flat I said hi.
I like Flat.
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>>4672245
>Akaya Saijyo
Ayaka Sajyou

Mangled her name up good, didn't I?
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>>4672237
How is Gray?"
>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."
>"Do you know anything about the missing Extra Ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor?"
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>>4672237
>>"How is Gray?"
>>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."
>>"Do you know anything about the missing Extra Ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor?"
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>>4672237
>"How is Gray?"
>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."
>(Write-in) You have a new king.
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>>4672252
>>4672245
>>4672237
i forgot about Flat, i wanna do this too
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>>4672272
Support
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>>4672237
>>4672272
+1
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>>4672237
>"How is Gray?"
>"Who is current director and vice-director of Atlas Temple?"
>"Have you ever heard about man named "Romani Archaman"?"
>"Do you know anything about the missing Extra Ranked Dead Apostle Ancestor?"
>Ask him if Akaya Saijyo is there and if we can speak with her or if she has a number we can reach her at. Otherwise, ask him about her and Manaka.
>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."

Last check on Solomon, check on Strange Fake, check on DDAs and Moon Cell.
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>>4672237
>Way too much to mention. Thank you Waver.
>Anything I could help you with? Way too engaged to offer personal help but if it’s anything I can arrange from here, I’ll help.
>Also, send regards to Gray.

Inb4 he asks if we’ve seen Bazett around
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24 minutes till call.
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>>4672237
>>4672287
support this
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>>4672237
>>4672272
Support.
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>>4672287
+1
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>>4672237
this >>4672287 but in addition to
>Tell Flat I said hi.
If the addition makes it not support >>4672287, then remove the addition
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>>4672272
>>4672253

I think this won, right?
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>>4672402
Seems so.
I don't really mind mentioning Flat and Mordred since
>"Something has summoned all the Servants from the Fourth War but dyed with evil."
This I am guessing will make him rush here and taking Flat and Gray with him.
But not asking few other questions will be really weird on Shinji`s part. At least thats how I see it given how we used meta knowledge so far.
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>>4672402
I think so.
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>>4672416
I still think we should mention Ayaka to him and see what he knows, maybe we could learn something about Manaka.
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>>4672478
Asking about Lev but not asking about Romani will be the oddest part since Shinji really preoccupied thinking about Solomon.
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>>4672496
Why would he ask about Romani?
Romani can't exist as a person unless Solomon won a grail war, and that's something that Shinji knows absolutely didn't happen.
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"...How is Gray right now anyway? You want to make sure of something, after all, seeing as Gray was meant to serve as the host for both the mind and soul of Arturia, the summoning of Arturia should've had an effect.

"Funny you should ask that. A few days ago, the effects of her... constitution started to worsen, some strands of her hair started turning blonde, and her Magic Circuits shifted shape into a Magic Core, but something stranger happened earlier today." You had expected the summoning of Saber to have had some sort of effect on Gray's physical body, but what could Waver be referring to by 'something stranger'? "You see, while I was looking for a way to reverse the continuing changes, Gray's transformation suddenly just... stopped. It has confounded me a great deal."

"They did?" That's strange, you start thinking of why Gray might've stopped her transformation into the perfect vessel for King Arthur's return as you speak with Waver.

"Right, I can only assume that the Servant King Arthur was summoned and slain once again." Waver gives his theory on just why Gray's continued transformations had ended, even though it's pretty conclusively incorrect.

"But... King Arthur is right here, in the same room as me." You look at Saber, who raises an eyebrow at you, unable to hear the other side of the call. You simply smile at her and turn away.

"You- What did you just say?" You completely throw Waver off of his game by saying something completely unexpected. Clearly he hadn't accounted for the potential that his theory was wrong.

"Yeah, Mordred and Morgan le Fay are here as well, oh, and Mordred is now rightfully acknowledged by the Sword of Selection as the King of Britain and is now alive, so there's that too. As a Briton, I felt like you might've wanted to know that you've got a new king." You have no idea how Waver is going to take this, especially considering his allegiance to Iskandar. Though the fact that Gray has ceased transforming into the physical vessel of King Arthur despite Saber still being alive is interesting, could it have something to do with Mordred's claiming of Caliburn and subsequent resurrection? The destruction of the prophecy that one day Arthur would return may have ended up having some sort of physical effect on both Gray and the Corpse King hidden within Logos React!

"Please tell me you're pulling my leg." You can tell even over the phone that Waver wants for nothing more than you to be lying right now. The last thing the poor magus needs in his life is more trouble being brought to London, but that's his problem.
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"Not at all, also, I'm her official advisor." You say with a small amount of pride, as terrible as you thought the job might've ended up being, and that it would just be attempting to reign Mordred in from doing ridiculously idiotic things, she's shown herself to be remarkably suited for the role of a king. Her schemes might be a little outlandish sometimes, but so far they've not let you down at all.

"Well, don't expect me to become her subject, I've already pledged my allegiance to another king." Waver decides to remind you of his relationship to Iskandar, and you wince a little as you hear his continued loyalty to the deceased King of Conquerors.

"Right... About that." You take a deep breath. Waver probably isn't going to enjoy what you're about to tell him, but you feel like he has a right to know.

"What is it now?" He's pretty clearly not very happy with the way that this conversation has gone, but you're about to make it a whole lot worse for him, as much as you don't really want to.

"Well, one of the enemy Masters in the war is a... incredibly talented magus. Moreso than even those from the Age of Gods... And she... Well with the exception of Gilgamesh, all of the Servants that fought in the Fourth War have been summoned to fight at her side, though stained with the evils contained within the grail. So far I've run into a corrupted version of King Arthur, a corrupted version of Diarmuid, and a corrupted version of Lancelot."

"A... corrupted version of King Arthur?" It's not Waver who responds to you, but Morgan who interrupts your conversation, you give her a look that tells her you'll explain everything to her later, though you feel like Morgan might try something with Saber Alter.

"Of course, while I've not personally met him just yet, I can only imagine that Iskandar was included in the Servants that were re-summoned and stained with evil. I'm not certain whether or not these Servants have retained their memories of the Fourth War or not." You've been wondering whether it might be possible to reverse the blackening of the grail mud on a Servant, but it's not something you've had much of a chance to look into.

Waver remains quiet on the other side of the phone for a moment, and you're about to ask him what's wrong until he finally speaks. "I'm coming to Japan. I'll meet you at your house." Then, he hangs up with no other words exchanged. Yeah, you probably should've expected that sort of reaction.

Well, you got the information that you were after, and Waver is on his way to Fuyuki now. You could always tell him not to bother coming, but if Gray brings Rhongomyniad with her, then Saber might be able to make use of it as a weapon to increase her power... In fact, Mordred might also be able to wield Rhongomyniad as she is now! Though... to wield the weapon that killed her, you don't quite know how she'd feel about that. Probably best you don't bring it up to her.
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Of course, you might have got the information you wanted from Waver, but you've still not thought of any ways to deal with Merlin yet, and that's really the topic at hand.

>Ask Morgan if she can somehow track Merlin down with her own abilities.
>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
>Ask Mordred if she thinks she'll really be able to defeat a Grand Servant and how she intends to do so if she really does.
>Write-in...
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>>4672539
>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
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>>4672539
>Ask Morgan if she can somehow track Merlin down with her own abilities.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
>>4672513
But timeline is all messed up and mix of a lot of things and as far as Shinji aware Solomon is not Grand Caster so at least asking if Human Solomon might exist seems like very logical thing to do due to the fact meta knowledge of different parts of Nasuverse clashes here.
I at least would expect just about any other possible divergence or a surprise like that. We were in Ahnenerbe.
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>>4672539
>>Write-in...
Wait for Merlin to hoist himself by his own Petard and head back to Fuyuki to recieve Waver.
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>>4672539
>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
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>>4672539
>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
Truly, being Waver is suffering.
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>>4672539
>>Ask Morgan if she can somehow track Merlin down with her own abilities.
>>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
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>>4672546
Waver wouldn't have any information on anybody by the name of Romani Archaman anyway. It's not like he has a comprehensive record of every magus in existence, and Romani doesn't even have any Magic Circuits, so it's not like he'd join the Clocktower even if he existed.
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>>4672563
he walks the Earth when he becomes Romani so its not like anyone would know
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>>4672539
>Ask all of the above

Also, Merlin is a prick for sure, but is he really our enemy?
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>>4672598
well, better to have options, Grand Servants only come out when a threat to humanity happens and we're not exactly "normal". I'm leaning more towards not our enemy because we have Alaya's favor and Grand Servants are her greatest weapon
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>>4672563
Thanks.
It also felt in line with how Merlin talked about prophecies. And general notion of difference between having outside context knowledge, doing psychohistory-esque guesses and setting up various degree of self fulfilling and reinforcing prophecies.
>>4672598
He could have made a deal with Alaya.
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>>4672539
>Ask Saber how she feels about dealing with Merlin, whether she’d like to talk to him. It seems like he would have had chance to approach her but chose not to.
>Ask Morgan for her insights on having dealt with him previously from her perspective.
>Ask Ciel about anti demon tactics.
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Calling in 30
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>>4672598
i hope not, maybe he will be a roadblock but not our direct enemy, maybe a third party with a agenda.
>inb4 merlin is now summoned as a grand because tiamat inside sakura counts as close enough for that
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>>4672539
>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
>Ask Ciel about anti-demon tactics and weaponry that would be super-effective on a Half-Incubus.
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>>4672539
>>Ask Saber if Merlin has any exploitable weaknesses, she's know him the longest of anyone, after all.
a cute woman.
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>>4672715
>Merlin, a Caster, going up against a girl with magecraft nullification.
>Merlin's face when
Merlin's ultimate weakness was women, all along.
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Waver's going to be absolutely fucking livid. If he brings Grey with him, this could be interesting though.
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>>4672737
he can bash her with a sword, he usually doesn't use magic
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>>4672746
True, but i still find the idea funny.
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>>4672737
it absolutely was this whole time, he's part incubus after all.
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>>4672761
he got trapped cause of a woman, though its implied he went in on purpose
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>>4672774
>Pretending to be Retarded: EX
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>>4672795
That's... Merlin in a nutshell.
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>>4672739
If he brings Gray, will she and Artoria collide and explode d4c style?
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>>4672774
During FGO babylonia its very implied he was fucking a prostitute per day.
>>4672795
>>4672824
Sometimes it feel like the dude is on weed.
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>>4672863
I have no idea and I wanna find out.
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>>4672876
Do you really want to be the guy that got Shirou married and had a British guy blow up his wife the next morning?
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>>4672864
shocked that the half incubus that has irl lore for being a perverted old man would fuck prostitutes whenever he could
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>>4672539
Have a pseudo round table discussion about everyone's ideas regarding dealing with Merlin if he is to become a threat.

Probably after call time but worth mentioning.
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"Well, that went about as well as I could've hoped." You sigh as you slip your phone back in your pocket. Of course Waver wasn't going to be very happy about either of the things that you ended up telling him. Though to think that he'd immediately decide to head to Japan the moment he heard about the potential of reuniting with Iskandar, he's got some pretty fierce loyalty to his king. Well, with any luck you'll be able to figure out a way to reverse the process of a Servant being altered. Diarmuid and Iskandar really deserve better than to be used as puppets... Saber Alter is a bit of a weird case though, can she even be unaltered? Or would she simply cease to exist upon such a thing happening seeing as she can't have been based on Saber's actual soul? She does seem to have a little bit more autonomy than the rest of her altered counterparts, so maybe she's a special case? "Let's get back to the matter at hand, Saber, you've known Merlin for longer than anybody else, and if he is truly an enemy, do you know of any weaknesses of his we might be able to exploit?"

Saber frowns, she's clearly not very comfortable with the idea of Merlin being her enemy, but she still begins to talk. "If you want my honest answer? Other than women, Merlin... He's got a bad tendency of... lying. He'll try to downplay his own abilities to throw his enemies off. He has no pride at all..."

"No sense of dignity or even general decency either." Morgan has her arms crossed as she interrupts Saber's answer with a snide comment about Merlin. Even if Morgan is willing to try to make amends with her sister, you can quite easily tell that she isn't about to extend the same courtesy to Merlin.

"Yes, thank you, sister." Saber doesn't sound amused by Morgan's comment. "As I was saying, Merlin not only has a bad habit of lying, but he's also got something of a problem with telling the whole truth as well. He will sometimes keep things hidden for his own ends or for some sort of plan he's got, and that brings me onto Merlin's actual weakness." Saber frowns, not really enjoying talking about the man who was practically her adoptive father like this. "Merlin's weakness is that he enjoys planning things too much. He might seem like the sort of person who improvises and makes things up as he goes along, but in truth he'll set-up a plan and try to plan for every possible outcome. Which is why he's the sort of person who will be left completely out of his element if something truly unexpected were to happen." Well, for somebody who likes making prophecies so much, you suppose that sounds about right for Merlin.
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"So you're saying that we need to surprise him with something that he can't see coming if we want to actually beat him?" You're kind of worried about the threat that Merlin is capable of presenting to you, as a Grand Servant he should be terribly powerful, and you haven't the faintest idea on just what aspects of his strength may have been enhanced as a result of his superior vessel. Though whatever he did to teleport you and Ciel, you doubt that was something that the normal Merlin would be capable of replicating.

"Oh please, don't tell me that you think that Merlin is capable of taking on all of the allies you've amassed at once. Arcueid Brunestud alone should be more than capable of crushing that troublesome half-demon." Morgan's opinion on Merlin is quite literally the opposite of Saber's opinion on the man. "Merlin is a barely capable magus when he's acting seriously, I will grant him that, but despite his great reputation, Merlin is a juvenile fool incapable of thinking clearly." You... can't really disagree with that assessment of his character. Though as Merlin is a half-incubus, you suppose that it really comes with the territory. "Just put an attractive woman in front of an open cell door and he'd leap right inside!" You... can't really disagree with that assessment either. Though it's quite humorous that the opposite ended up happening when he actually got himself trapped.

"Merlin is a fine magus, and an excellent advisor!" Saber sounds annoyed with her sister's rather low assessment of Merlin, and even you don't agree with her on that much. Merlin isn't that bad a person. Though you still don't feel like you're going to be able to get along with him.

"Pfft. No he's not." Mordred pipes in. "Merlin was a total jackass, and most of the Knights thought so too. A lot of them ended up resenting him for it. The guy without any sense of honor or chivalry being so close to the king while they felt that their own words never reached you." Saber looks a little hurt by Mordred's words, but the girl continues "But aside from that, half of his 'advice' was just getting you new magical swords and weapons." Mordred crosses her arms, her own distaste for Merlin being very clear indeed.

"Anyway, moving on..." You don't think it would be a good idea to allow this conversation to continue. You don't want the three of the girls to start bickering with each other, and you especially don't want them to start bickering with each other over Merlin of all people. "Ciel! Merlin is a half-demon, and as the member of the Holy Church, you should be the expert in dealing with them, right? Do you have anything that would be effective on somebody like him?"
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"A half-demon...?" Ciel looks deep in thought. "Well, blessed weaponry like holy scriptures would obviously be effective, as would holy swords and weapons like my Black Keys. I believe that the Holy Church has some specialized holy weapons for dealing with demons too." Ciel seems to be thinking about something quite deeply. "Well... I'm not sure if it would work or not, but an exorcism might be able to work too! Though there's only one guy I know of who could pull such an exorcism off, and I doubt he'll want to get involved." Ciel pauses for a moment as she thinks, and you find yourself wondering what exactly would happen if Merlin was actually exorcised. Would he split into two separate entities? Would he simply die? "Tactics wise, I don't really have anything for you, dealing with demonic possessions varies on a case by case basis, and I don't think Merlin counts for that. Though in general, Anti-Magus countermeasures involve the use of overwhelming and unrelenting force so they can't respond with magecraft." Probably not going to work on Merlin, but a nice thought.

"Doesn't the Church have some sort of ultimate anti-magus trump card it can use against him?" You wonder if there's anything else hidden away in the vaults of the Holy Church. Honestly, with all the holy artifacts that the Church must've stashed away over the years, they could probably outfit an entire army with holy artifacts of the highest quality. The greatest of which are easily on part with even the Noble Phantasms of Servants.

"It does, but the Spear is restricted for the use of only the first or second members of the Burial Agency, and stealing it would be pretty damn impossible... unless..." Ciel seems to be thinking quite a bit about just what she wants to say next.

"Unless...?" You gesture for the girl to keep talking.

Ciel looks a little hesitant before she finally responds. "Well, recently I got into contact with a certain man who wants to exchange information for a favor, and he was offering to break into Atlas Academy to steal the Black Barrel for me, but I suppose I could ask him to loot the Vaults of the Church instead, and he can probably break into either of them. I don't really have much of a use for the Black Barrel right now." Ciel shrugs. "But honestly, I'll leave it up to you, as if I go through with this, we'll be pretty much vilified by the Church and the Burial Agency.

>Ask for more information about this spear first.
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
>Leave the choice up to Ciel. You're tired now, and you really want to go to bed.
>Write-in...
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
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>>4673004
that's the fucking Lance of Longinus, if we get it we have a chance to summon a god tier servant
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>>4673004
Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.

We need the Roman's spear
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>>4673004
>Arcueid Brunestud implies her obtaining it has something to do with exchanging information with Enhance
The guy she's talking about is fucking Enhance
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>>4673068
Looks like the next thread's op is going to need a "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry Series" sticker.
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>>4673004
>>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
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The lance likely functions a lot like Rhongobongo as a lynchpin of reality.

The only canon stuff we have about the spear is from Requiem where the spear is supposed to be unhindered by any armour in its way and only Galahad with his own holy relic could even attempt to hold it back for a brief moment.

Does Shinji count as human enough to use Black Barrel?

DO we risk pissing off the church or altas if we're found in the possession of their artefacts in future? Do we want to maintain standing with altas or the church more/less?

Worth thinking of before vooting
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>>4673115
It seems like the church will eventually come knocking due to all the heretical shit we have whether or not we nick their spear.
The Spear of Longinus is also a very interesting item in terms of mystery as its the weapon of the most famous killer and the weapon that set humanity's Destiny.
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>>4673127
That's about what I'm thinking, even if we're doubling up on lances that direct humanity Atlas might be worth staying on good terms with and we can always get a replica off Sion if she ends up the director soon.
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>>4673004
>go after the spear
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>>4673133
Ciel gets a replica anyways so it's not like we're missing an opportunity to grab the rifle.
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Another thing to consider is that whatever weapon we get would be best in the hands of a Servant, and none of our Servant level allies have any experience with firearms.
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Another thing to consider whenever we deal with new characters, and also probably worth giving Morgan a quick once-over with; Karna. His Discernment of the Poor skill is fucking incredible to determine if people can be trusted, what makes them tick for diplomacy etc.
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>>4673004
>Write-in
>Let's table this for now. There's no reason to make the decision right away, is there?

I am surprised Ciel has so little loyalty to the church that she's even considering ordering the theft of one of their most holy relics
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>>4673146
Yeah so vote spear
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>>4673146
After upping the Ciel affection meter some more for trust give Karna the lance so he can dual class, he's pretty handy with godkilling point sticks
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>>4673149
They didn't exactly treat her well
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I think the Spear is our best bet, The Church is gonna come a knocking, it's an eventuality, Atlas has no beef with us right now, we could probably strike a deal.
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>>4673004
>>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
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>>4673149
Yeah its really weird why she isn't more loyal to the people that killed her for one month straight
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
>>4673147
It's better to give it to Mordred.
Class Containers limit the skills of Servants that are outside of their class, so Suri wouldn't be anywhere near as proficient as he would be in the Lancer class.
Modeled on the other hand has removed her Class, allowing her to use all of the polearms experience she gained as a knight.
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>>4673256
I want this to happen more than anything
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>>4673256
Valid possibility in this quest, we have 2 of 3 pieces on the board already and a mechanism to bring in the final
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>>4673293
>we kill nyarles' servant
>steals the Spear from us or the Church
>he goes and summons Avenger Adolf Hitler or Ruler
>the meme becomes a reality
>if he survives the grail war, once Moon Cell shenanigans happen he will have Summer BB too
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon
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>>4673338
>>4673020
>>4673091
>>4673203
You guys realize there's already a girl running around with the exact same gun, right?
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>>4673360
That's a replica, the real thing can defeat types, we could use firepower like that over a spear specifically to deal with Merlin.
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>>4673360
replica isnt even close of being as strong.
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to send her thief after the Black Barrel. It's a far greater weapon.
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
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>>4673534
>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
We have already pissed off the church no need to make enemies with Atlas.
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>>4673004
>Tell Ciel to have the man go after this spear she's talking about.
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Bracku Barru
>>4673020
>>4673091
>>4673203
>>4673338
>>4673466
>>4673476

>Ronginus
>>4673063
>>4673135
>>4673198
>>4673214
>>4673556
>>4673534
>>4673561

>Table
>>4673149

Think that's everyone.
Calling in 30
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Oh hey I could make a new thread.
>>4673670
>>4673670
>>4673670
Go there.



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